cpus-mobo-and-memory

[vast meadow]

i saw after lol

[vernal cosmos]

are you proud of me

[vast meadow]

tuf is great board

yes

X)

[vernal cosmos]

Lmao

Its 3 am and im very sleepy dont judge me

[keen steppe]

how do i choose the cheapest one when they're all the same price

oh wait

[vast meadow]

tuf is best option

[keen steppe]

msi is technically 10 cents cheaper

[vernal cosmos]

The one i linked mate

not the X570

[keen steppe]

my main hesitation on that is it being m-atx

[vast meadow]

yeah get the one mittens linked

meh

unless you want to run an audio card or something like that its fine

[grizzled bloom]

Avoid X570 in general, it's usually got worse VRM than the B550 counterpart plus the chipset fan adds more noise

[vast meadow]

how worse vrms lol thats wack

i just avoid cuz chipset fan

[vernal cosmos]

Anyway time for bed I cant feel my right hand anymore good night guys

[vast meadow]

👀

night

[grizzled bloom]

Uhhhhhh

[vernal cosmos]

b550 uses newer revisions of VRMs since newer boards

[vast meadow]

thats not supposed to happen mate

[vast meadow]

i seee

[vernal cosmos]

is the simple version

[vernal cosmos]

the vrm or my hand no workey

[grizzled bloom]

Both tbh

[vast meadow]

hand vrms must be low quality

XD

[grizzled bloom]

Logically you'd think the higher number part would be better but NOPE, screw logic this is computing!

[vast meadow]

me with my cas 22 ram 😎 all the performance

[grizzled bloom]

I want to make a joke about the hand being numb but it may break a rule

[vernal cosmos]

My hand is messed up because bone above wrist snapped into 2 parts a while back and the rod they inserted into the hand to make it straight again permanantly damaged a nerve in my wrist

[vast meadow]

[vernal cosmos]

so when i type too much or overexert my hand it gives up and I cant feel anything from right hand anymore

[vast meadow]

sounds fun

[vernal cosmos]

it really isnt

[vast meadow]

sarcasm my friend

[grizzled bloom]

Yay, debilitating injury gang!

[vernal cosmos]

I have no sensation in my thumb and i feel stuff in the wrong parts of the wrist like if I touch the knuckle of my forefinger I feel it in the palm of my hand

[vast meadow]

dw i feel yo pain my whole body is fragile XD and my tendons in my arm like to act up /repetitive strain injury type thing sooo

[vast meadow]

oof

i dont feel yo pain in that bit :/

[vernal cosmos]

Yeah but anyway time to rest

goodnight

[grizzled bloom]

G'night

[vast meadow]

[naive pendant]

GOODMORNING

[glass plover]

B550s still going to work with the new chips?

[elfin warren]

Which new chips?

[grizzled bloom]

You mean AM5? Or the new stacked cache ones?

[halcyon relic]

Do Ryzen 9 5900x go@on x570 motherboards ?

Or B550

[vast meadow]

Both

B550 is usually better tho

[halcyon relic]

Any reason in particular ?

[vast meadow]

No chipset fan, less noise and better vrm

[halcyon relic]

Ahh i see welp I already have the 570c, wanted to make sure if I wanted to upgrade to the 5900/5950 I could

Ty 🙂

[vast meadow]

Yeah that's fine then

[cyan raft]

B550s have better VRMs than X570s?

[elfin warren]

Some do

[limber dragon]

giga b550 master has the same vrm as giga x570 extreme

[cyan raft]

Oh so my crosshair VIII finally got to ASUS, anyone know how long it’ll take them to fix it

[dense frost]

My X570 chipset fan hardly ever runs, just FYI.

[vast meadow]

Fair, b550s usually cheaper too tho

[dense frost]

100% true

[dense frost]

I think of the X570 as the v1.0, of serious AMD motheboards, so any lessons manufacturers learned they put to the B550 series, which came later. The VRM cooling on a lot of B550 boards are quite OP. IMHO anyway

[pale fox]

could anyone help me out to find best ram I can get?

[dense frost]

sure, ill try. what processor you got?

[finite elm]

When buying ram for an Intel CPU, which brand is usually good?

And then I'd want 3200mhz cl 14 memory right? Just as like a base?

Or does it not matter

[dense frost]

look at G.Skill, Corsair, Kingston HyperX, Adata and Crucial Ballistix

ideally look for 3600mhz cl 14, but 3600mhz cl16 is more common

[vast meadow]

Nah cl14 is dummy expensive 3600cl16 unless ryzen 32/3400g

[vast meadow]

For 16gb kit, 3600mhz ballistix for anything but a Ryzen 3000 apu

[finite elm]

3600mhz even for Intel?

Most people i see just go with 3200mhz for Intel? Would going with 3600mhz even be a big difference?

[dense frost]

3200 used to be the sweet spot, thats why most (including myself) have 3200, but 3600 has fallen in price, to the point where its about the same as 3200, so 3600 is now the sweet spot

[hollow thorn]

3600 on Intel 10/11th gen has a decent difference, not as big as on Ryzen, so depends on the difference in price

[vast meadow]

What mr1111 said but a good kit of 16gb 3200cl16(ballistix cheapest usually) is 4$ less than ballistix 3600cl16 ballistix

[calm harbor]

Sorry if I'm in the wrong place but I have a question for help with an install

[vernal cosmos]

installing what?

[calm harbor]

Motherboard

[vernal cosmos]

what case and what motherboard ?

[calm harbor]

Micro atx ... Asus ... Just gotta go back to the order to get numbers ... Issue is that I have no video signal, using on board video

[vernal cosmos]

what cpu?

please give models instead of size and make as well

[calm harbor]

Asus b450m-a mobo Rysen 5 3600 cpu

[dense frost]

yeah, that CPU doesnt have onboard gpu

[vernal cosmos]

Yep the 3600 doesnt have an igpu

[dense frost]

cant run it without a dedicated GPU

[vernal cosmos]

^

do you have a gpu then @calm harbor

[calm harbor]

GPU? Graphics card?

[dense frost]

yes

[calm harbor]

OK, I'm a dumb ass 😳 ... Suggestions?

[dense frost]

what do you want to do with your PC?

[calm harbor]

Not a graphics intensive user ... Surfing mainly ....

[vernal cosmos]

Get a GT710

its under 100$

on amazon

[dense frost]

GT710 is all you need

can even do 1440p display

[vernal cosmos]

https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-Graphic-Interface-GV-N710D5-1GL/dp/B083DKXF3P/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=gt+710&qid=1622728850&sr=8-2

there

[dense frost]

do you think maybe a 2GB version would be better?

[calm harbor]

Ok thanks all .... Feeling pretty silly over here .. It's been 10 or so years since I've done an install like this

[vernal cosmos]

not too much of a difference

especially for surfing

[dense frost]

just thinking if he want to have more than 1080p

[vernal cosmos]

512 mb enough for display slightly over 1080p60 no gaming

[calm harbor]

No, 1080p is at the very top end

[vernal cosmos]

VRAM isnt a big issue for office work or browsing

[dense frost]

oh, ok, then the 1GB is fine

[calm harbor]

Thanks again gang 😎

[vernal cosmos]

I used to use a laptop with 1gb integrated graphics vram and used to be fine

even played through the entirety of assassins creed brotherhood on it

[dense frost]

earlier in the year I was stuck with 560GTX that had 512 GB and I had to run my 1440p monitor at 1080p and I hated it 😆 , left me scarred

[vernal cosmos]

It had even less actually it was under 512mb

I had 4gb ram total in there

[lavish tree]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4265523&quicklink=true how is this compo

[elfin warren]

That's just a CPU and cooler?

[lavish tree]

yeah I miss typed

but how is it

[elfin warren]

I'd pass on the AIO, not a fan of the Corsairs.

Arctic Freezer II or EK or something

[lavish tree]

yeah the bundle just saves a few bucks

how bad is the corsair?

[elfin warren]

Arctic Freezer II is that price normally

[naive pendant]

hullooo

im looking to build a pc

[elfin warren]

IDK, I've had a few in here dead recently. AFII and EK are the top coolers in testing

[naive pendant]

my budget is 1k

[hard dragon]

R-5950x or i9-10920x is the REAL question.

[hollow thorn]

For what

5950x absolutely slaps 10920x basically

[hard dragon]

both seem good... both for single PC streaming etc... im just looking at price per performance.

[hollow thorn]

But some things only like Intel

Uh

If you're streaming or gaming, 11400 is all you need

[naive pendant]

guys

[hard dragon]

5950x $800+, 10920x $667

[hollow thorn]

10920x is not good for gaming

[naive pendant]

i have a really old case with a new modo

the case says 2004 on it

mobo*

[hollow thorn]

@hard dragon you don't need more than 6 cores for most games, extremely few need more than 8

10920x kinda sucks for gaming compared to chips like say 11400 that just have faster cores

[hard dragon]

yea I know... but im running a dual PC streaming set up... gaming I have 8700k (works perfect), streaming is 4700k.... but I think I just want a nice 10 core+ to do it all.

[hollow thorn]

Uhhh

As long as you have a Nvidia gpu with nvenc

Streaming needs basically 0 CPU power

[hard dragon]

ahh

[hollow thorn]

And even if you're doing h264, single 8 core 16 thread chip can probably do it while gaming

[hard dragon]

yea dual PC streaming is a pain... running 2k monitors on gaming and 1080p on streaming.. Cant use the HD60 properly any more and cant upgrade the stream gpu to use the hd4k pro unless I get a 1000 series gpu (Running a 980ti on it atm). I figured since I also run a lot of software other then streaming, a 10 core would do the trick.

8700k is a 6 core I believe... I can still feel a hit here and there depending on what im doing.

[hollow thorn]

Meh, 5900x will do just fine

And do keep in mind, workstation platforms come with a hefty cost for motherboard

X299 boards are like 300$+

When good b550 boards are ~150$

[hard dragon]

True. MEH, ill see... my 8700k with a 1080ti is doing just fine.. im just anxious to build build build lol.

[hollow thorn]

Ofc

I would just take 10920x out of the running in terms of chips for you to look at

[hard dragon]

yea u are right about to 5950x... pretty much destroys it....

[hard dragon]

im sold... 5950x ordered... im dumb for buying but all well.. I have an urge to BUILD!!!!

[hollow thorn]

Uh, that was a bit quick, but alright, make sure to grab a decent b550 board with flashback

[hard dragon]

ive been thinking about it for a while, just had to come here to confirm it all lol. grabbing a MSI MPG B550 or a ROG strix B550-F, we shall see.

[dense frost]

they showed a new line of AIOs at ther keynote that look quite exciting too

[naive pendant]

my mobo is in uefi mode is that bad or good?

[vast meadow]

You'll get a better response in #building-and-recc-chat

They left already didn't they....

Welp already fixed list so 1k build if anyone wants https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yRMHMv

[magic tide]

is 3600cl16 even necessary for intel? haven’t kept up much with how 11th gen takes to faster memory

[fading citrus]

if u are using the igpu, yes, reccomended

[magic tide]

ah alright, makes sense

i just knew that some older + cheaper intels didn’t need that much so i was just wondering

[vast meadow]

10th and 11th gen it definitely helps, not as much as ryzen tho, the reason i went 3600 apart from there being a performance diff is that a good kit of 3200 is like 4$ less, it's worth the extra for the savings

[magic tide]

fair enough

red dimms

[vast meadow]

Ehh was cheapest on on pcpp lol

Black is like a few more cents but whatever it's just colour

[mild birch]

3600 is a significant step up in performance over 3200
in the range of 3-4% in gaming @magic tide

Rev E 16-18-18 3600 vs 3200 is very much worth it

especially if you're gonna OC, since 3600 bin mainly comes with C9BLM or C9BLL chips if we're talking crucial

[magic tide]

really, even with intel? that’s surprising to me

[mild birch]

ram makes a MASSIVE difference on intel wdym

its gigantic

[magic tide]

ig i’m just not with the platform that well

wack, mb then

[mild birch]

3600

and

8700k

and rocketlake scales even better than the 8700k

https://kingfaris.co.uk/blog/intel-ram-oc-impact/15

[mild birch]

yes

[mild birch]

thats cause 3200 14 is B die.

only ICs that have XMP for 3200 14 is B die, even though a lot of ICs are capable of it

ofc its gonna cost more

[vast meadow]

Nah you can get b die 3600cl16 for cheaper than 3200cl14

[mild birch]

16-16-16 bin and 3200 14-14-14 bin are typically prices the smae

market fluctuates

the 3600 bin is typically worse on average though

3600 16-16-16 1.35v

especially for AMD where you arent looking for clock scaling, you're looking for signal integrity

[vast meadow]

Nah you can get 3600cl16 b die for way cheaper

[mild birch]

no.

this is simply not true

[vast meadow]

Show me a cheap kit then

[mild birch]

sure
there was a 95$ kit of dark pros 3200 14 bin in november 2019

[shut gorge]

anyone i can dm about ram help, i dont want to interrupt ?

[mild birch]

cheapest 3600 16-16-16 bin at the time was 120

actually

even right now

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xh8j4D/gskill-trident-z-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c15d-16gtzkw
cheapest 3200 bin

120$

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ywYLrH/gskill-trident-z-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gtzkw

cheapest 3600 bin 135

theres one exception

[vast meadow]

Bruh

[mild birch]

the OLOy blades

but those have issues.

*wait

noit the blades

the warhawks

[devout moth]

Arshia#2457 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[mild birch]

the ones with the poopy PCB

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wX7CmG/gskill-flare-x-series-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c14d-16gfx 3200cl14

[mild birch]

thats not the cheapest....

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jBZzK8/gskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gvkc

[mild birch]

I just linked a cheaper kit

[vast meadow]

Yeah it is lol

[mild birch]

that isnt B die

😐

[vast meadow]

Yeah but the one i linked is cl14 not cl15

Still

[mild birch]

Holy crap

buddy

that isnt B die

thats CJR

[vast meadow]

Never sadi it was

[mild birch]

potentially DJR

[vast meadow]

But it's cl14

[mild birch]

bud

you literally said this here

[vast meadow]

I linked the cheapest 3200cl14 kit vs the cheapest 3600cl16 b die

[mild birch]

you didnt though

[vast meadow]

This is b die

[mild birch]

you didnt link the cheapest 3600 cl16 b die

[mild birch]

no

it isnt.

[vast meadow]

It is lol

[mild birch]

it isnt.

its CJR or DJR.

very unlikely to be Rev E but thats also possible

16-19-19 bin isnt B die lol

16-16-16 bin is

do you have any proof of it being B die?

potentially an image?

if not...please dont talk about topics you clearly dont know much about.

[vast meadow]

Well if you include rev e you can go even cheaper

[mild birch]

but rev E is literally worse.

and that wasnt your original point

you said 3600 c16 b die

[vast meadow]

I misread the timings for the g skill nvm

[mild birch]

I’ve logged about 3ns average on Intel and 2.5ns average on AMD latency difference between my tuned B die and tuned Rev E.

And about a 3% difference in theoretical max bandwidth achieved

I love Rev E and DJR. Imo they are more fun to OC. But no, they don’t perform the same.

[mild jackal]

I want to pick up some djr to run cold for max valid

[mild birch]

It scales nicely

But your board will be an issue

As will ram PCB

G.skill is you’re trying to set records

What board you got? 8L on apex won’t cut it

Best I’ve gotten is 6133 ambient

Mew did 6200 iirc

I’m gonna maybe gift bl4ckdot my second best kit and see how much he can do

His chip is better than mine, his tachyon better than mine

[mild jackal]

M12a

If I take get into it maybe trade up to z590, but with alder lake coming so soon...

[mild birch]

Did you join the OCF preorder gang?

I’m so excited

12L consumer OCF gonna be awesome

I expect a world record first week

[mild jackal]

Z590? Or next gen

Z390 darks are 12L aren't they?

Or 10?

[mild birch]

X299 is

I don’t think z390 was

And even if it was, plagued with issues either way

[mild jackal]

Worked well for me once they fixed bios issues with a2

[mild birch]

Oh? Cool

[mild jackal]

That was very early

[mild birch]

I wish I still cared about 1151v2

[mild jackal]

I got the board free lol

[mild birch]

All I care about now is making my B die sheets

[mild jackal]

Would never have bought otherwise

[mild birch]

Oh yeah I’m making a website

Don’t know if you saw

[mild jackal]

I saw

[hidden spoke]

can someone help me find a good deal on a i7 9th or 8th gen

[limber dragon]

I see arshia is swearing again

[mild birch]

LOL

heya fitz

whats up

[limber dragon]

going through all my discords

[mild birch]

did you see bl4cks luck with the 4000 14s?

looks like its good for ambient but not good for scaling

might be good to bin for shop since I'm appealing mainly to ambient nerds

[limber dragon]

from #overclocking tecs arent designed for sustained heat

[mild birch]

yeah ik

[limber dragon]

they get the coldplate cold

[mild birch]

i said that

[limber dragon]

ek/cm even put a buffer coldplate on it

[mild birch]

they're just peltiers, and most peltiers depend on a delta to be maintained. Tecs get worse the longer they're on as the gradient cant be formed

[devout moth]

Arshia#2457 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[mild birch]

oh ffs

yeak ok thats my sign to leave, got a dentist appointment

[hollow thorn]

Fix swearing mouth

[limber dragon]

oh also bz just did a msi rdna2 pcb breakdown

[mild birch]

LOL

[vast meadow]

Why? Do you already have a z390 motherboard or something?

[mild birch]

shame that its MSI and not someone with good products 🙈

[hidden spoke]

yeah

i got one for free

[vast meadow]

For gaming?

Sell it and get an i5 11400 and b560

[hidden spoke]

blender/gaming

[hidden spoke]

.-.

[hollow thorn]

Lol

[vast meadow]

What it's gonna be a lot better

[limber dragon]

or get an 8700k from ebay

[vast meadow]

But z390 will sell for basically b560 price isb

Or most of mobo price

[limber dragon]

and you're shooting yourself in the foot if you get an 11th gen

[hidden spoke]

i mean i also want the i7 for rpcs3 emu

is there like anywhere out there that sells it for less then 250 used?

[vast meadow]

11400 is good tho, not much upgradability but good cpu still, most ppl wait 3-5 years before cpu upgrade anyway

[vast meadow]

For what?

[mild birch]

imagine desecrating the NCR helmet with a recolor
shame

NCR ranger helmet original > blue end of story

[hidden spoke]

Ncr veteran ranger*

[hidden spoke]

shoo

[mild birch]

no.

[hidden spoke]

emulation

[mild birch]

actually yes, dentist

[vast meadow]

Ahh i see 9900k probs then

[hidden spoke]

what

?

thats overkill

way overkill

im trying to run demon's soul's and persona 5

[mild birch]

8700k it is

[vast meadow]

9900k is basically a 10700k

Ish

[hidden spoke]

i9 9900k is going to break my bank account

[hollow thorn]

It was 300$ at MC for a while

[vast meadow]

^

Check ebay

Probs 250 or less

[hidden spoke]

im looking i cant find anything under 300

dam

i need a job

[vast meadow]

Lemme see

Check r/hardware swap as well

[vast meadow]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/304019621952?epid=7025570418&hash=item46c8fb4840%3Ag%3A0zwAAOSwcNRguEox&LH_ItemCondition=3000|1500 keep an eye on this one

https://www.ebay.com/itm/304019756884?epid=7025570418&hash=item46c8fd5754%3Ag%3AHOcAAOSw0vJguIQ-&LH_ItemCondition=3000|1500

This too

[hidden spoke]

thank also how would i go around cooling these things AIO or just a normal cooler?

[vast meadow]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/255000636152?epid=11039055568&hash=item3b5f38eaf8%3Ag%3Ai1wAAOSw65NgtZLl&LH_ItemCondition=3000|1500

[hollow thorn]

Don't underestimate air coolers

Slap smth like a fuma 2 on I'd say

[vast meadow]

A scythe fuma 2 would do fine if not too much oc

[hidden spoke]

alright i will note that thank you

[vast meadow]

Yeah that one

[hidden spoke]

im already up to 240 on the ebay bid if it surpasses 250 i might just buy a i7 9700k for that price

[limber dragon]

.

[hidden spoke]

and i was surpassed

[hidden spoke]

i cant find a good price on one of those

i found one for 240

and i found a used i7 9700k for 250

[limber dragon]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/123318279939?epid=28019244669&hash=item1cb6579f03:g:BrAAAOSwru9bHbzS $230

[hidden spoke]

i mean 20$ more and i get 2 more cores and 4 more threads

https://www.ebay.com/itm/113743547399?epid=10025613064&hash=item1a7ba4cc07%3Ag%3AjT0AAOSwxDBc1Pfi&LH_BIN=1

[vast meadow]

Look at this one again, it was 180 iirc

[limber dragon]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234028868317?hash=item367d3522dd:g:x9sAAOSwMm5goaLQ $190 with 18hr left on the auction

[hidden spoke]

199.99 plus shipping of 8$

hum..

[vast meadow]

Woops nvm

[mild jackal]

Why would you ever bid on something with 4 days left

[split copper]

buy high sell low

[tight sparrow]

5900x or 10850k i priced out builds for itx and amd will cost like 440 more

just for gaming as well

[limber dragon]

if you're just gaming, you dont need a 5900x

[quaint socket]

Am i able to post something for sale in this thread without getting banned?

[split copper]

post on r/hardwareswap

[mild birch]

Send the builds

[quaint socket]

thank you will do

[tight sparrow]

@mild birch just difference of 3200mhz gskill ram z490 strix I board vs 3600 gskill x570 stix itx

[mild birch]

why an x570 strix ITX

that board is garbage

and why a z490 strix I, the Unify exists

neither of those bords make any sense

[hidden spoke]

ended up buying a i9 9900k for 280$

[vast meadow]

Nice that's pretty decent

[hidden spoke]

my friend just called me a lunatic for buying a $280 cpu lol

https://tenor.com/view/dark-knight-joker-its-not-about-the-money-its-about-sending-a-message-gif-15254722

@vast meadow so anyway is the fuma still good enough to cool this bad boy

[vast meadow]

Should be as long as you're not doing too much overclocking

[hidden spoke]

alright

is the Scythe Mugen 5 still good enought or am i gonna still want the fuma

[elfin warren]

You're gonna want a beefy cooler

[vast meadow]

Do you have the mugen atm or something?

[hidden spoke]

nothing rn

[vast meadow]

The fuma 2 is a significant upgrade

[elfin warren]

It's 170W at full load, if you're going to overclock it will pull more

[hidden spoke]

alright getting the fuma

good thing i have a 850w psu

[elfin warren]

PSU isn't the concern, the cooler is. Wattage = heat

[vast meadow]

Well vintage saying because more watts =more heat

[hidden spoke]

thank you cousin that i dont remember name of for putting that there

i mean i cant run a i9 9900k and a 1070 or 3060ti with just 500w

[vast meadow]

I would get an arctic liquid 280mm or 360mm if you can afford btw

[vast meadow]

Nah you want at least 600w psu for that, 650w more likely

[hidden spoke]

i have this actually from my old build but i lost the mounting thing

[vast meadow]

No

[hidden spoke]

no?

[vast meadow]

Ohh don't buy

If you already have it's fine

[hidden spoke]

should i use it over the fuma

[vast meadow]

I would cuz free

And probs better/same

If you can find mount tho

[hidden spoke]

im missing a few things from it tho let like idk where to buy them

[vast meadow]

See if you can get them from corsair

Since it's their aio

[hidden spoke]

yeah i will let me see what i am missing first

[tight sparrow]

@mild birch i like using asus

[hidden spoke]

and the pc case my girlfriend got me has no AIO mounting spot

( ._.)

fuma 2 it is

[vast meadow]

Then get a tuf board, way better value

[vast meadow]

I would go dark rock pro 4, nh u12a or d15 if it fits /in budget but fuma should be able to handle it

[hidden spoke]

fuma deez

[hollow thorn]

Fuma 2 op tho

Drp4 and d15 need to check ram clearance

[vast meadow]

Yeah i looked at the gn vid again after because vintage was worried about but then i meant to say nvm but forgot lol

[viral nebula]

erm, that's like entry level, try $1000 cpu

[hidden spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/no-money-money-life-wallet-broke-gif-7513240

my wallet

[viral nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/money-crying-woody-harrelson-wiping-tears-with-money-gif-6945518

[vast meadow]

In what world is an i9 9900k entry level bruh

Noone is gaming on 1000$ cpus cuz they would have to be threadripper r sum and they meh at gaming

[vernal cosmos]

just wanna say that that cpu will perform better in games than a 1000$ cpu

[viral nebula]

bruh

not everybody just games

and it's a 5900X, canadian dollars, it's awesome for virtualization and dev work

[hollow thorn]

5950x outperforms 10980xe in most workstation loads too, other than the ones that only like Intel

[vernal cosmos]

USD is what we use here tho unless specified

[vast meadow]

5900x is not a 1000$ cpu it's a 550$ usd cpu, like 670 cad cpu

[vernal cosmos]

5950X is under 1k right?

[vast meadow]

800$

[vernal cosmos]

Yep thats what I thought

[vast meadow]

1000$ CPU would have to be tr or hedt or something

[vernal cosmos]

Which arent great single core

[vast meadow]

Exactly

[viral nebula]

try $800 CAD before tax lol, after tax it's like closer to $1000

[vast meadow]

Okay but still unless specified we do usd prices but you can't compare cross region

[viral nebula]

nuuhhh but muh canadian dollars

[vernal cosmos]

well I dont really care

you cant come in saying 40C is cold its 100F where you live

its pretty much the same

when using a certain unit you cant come in and change the unit being used

[viral nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-sesame-street-write-gif-4298020

[hollow thorn]

Time to create new unit of measuring temperature

[finite elm]

But make the scale really weird

[finite elm]

So 32 is freezing and 72 is boiling water

[grizzled bloom]

Are those weird enough units for you? 491 Rankine is freezing

[finite elm]

Well if 32 was freezing and 72 is boiling water, it'll force the scale to be really right as that's the same gap as 32 and 212 but instead of having 180 spaces you only have 40.

[elfin epoch]

Is it fine using my cpu and ram at almost max capacity

Like i want to use all my ram and cpu power for games but I dont wanna stress my pc too much

Like my ram is 16gb and sometimes I use 70% or so

[grizzled bloom]

70% is normal, if you hit 95% in use (not allocated) then you want more memory.

It's really hard to use all of 16gb though, you have to have a game open, 3 different browsers with a bunch of tabs each, and OBS running at the same time

[elfin epoch]

96 rn with 12gb allocated to the game and the rest (4gb) on chrome and windows

[grizzled bloom]

Allocated doesn't matter, that's just a program saying "I might want to use this at some point"

What's the actual "in use" memory?

[vast meadow]

Well 273.15 kelvin is also freezing point lol But yeah they are wackk

[elfin epoch]

Task manager be saying 96% so youre saying not all of it is in use?

[grizzled bloom]

That's the part that matters

[elfin epoch]

Yea thats what I'm saying. It's in use. The percent correlates to the in use

[grizzled bloom]

Ok a lot of the time it doesn't correlate, but you might need more memory

[hot chasm]

Yay, I got the 5900x in the shuffle today. Upgrade time!

[hollow thorn]

Nice

[warm path]

Who agrees the i9-11900K is technically like a Pentium 4 except more insane clocks and more cores?

[hollow thorn]

It's technically a piece of silicon with metal on it

I don't know what else you want to say about it

[warm path]

I know that I am just saying it like that because of the heat and power requirements

[hollow thorn]

What

Hell

@warm path it's physically very different

The industry moved from polysi gates to metal gates

Not just architecturally different

The chip itself is made from different things

[warm path]

Hmmmm ok

I am just saying from its heat and power behavior

I9-11900K is major power hog and major heat producer like the P4

I am aware it is architecturally and physically different

But both eats tons of power and produces tons of heat

[formal ice]

so after two months i finally won the shuffle

i have a minor dilemma. its combo asrock 6700xt with an Asrock B550 motherboard. Currently running MSI Z490 gaming edge Wifi with I7-10700. im building my son a PC also and need to buy another cpu yet. im thinking of giving him mine and buying an AMD cpu for the new motherboard. My question is, will there be any compatibility issues on my current windows boot drive? or will i have to clear it and start over? are there CPU specific drivers related to your windows operating system?

[limber dragon]

some OSes dont care, others do

you'll most likely have to reactivate windows with the new mobo, but with MS account, its just a few clicks and a login

I know people who've gone from one z390 (just an example) to another and had to reinstall windows, while I've had my current OS on like 6 mobos and 4 or 5 cpus

[formal ice]

at least in my case the only thing i have on my boot drive is the OS and recorded gaming sessions. all my games and launchers are on their own drives. wiping the boot drive wouldnt be terribly difficult should i need to. Plan A prior to the shuffle win i was going to just buy an 11600k for my existing mobo. sounds easier but im wondering what kind of performance im leaving on the table not having an amd cpu paired with an amd gpu

[limber dragon]

not really much, if any

[formal ice]

i know AMD talks a big game about performance boosts when pairing them together. not sure how much truth there is to it

[limber dragon]

I've used a 5800x and 10900kf with my 6900xt, 10900kf performs better

[formal ice]

thats good to hear. maybe its not worth the trouble then and i should just flip the mobo

hey are you looking for a Asrock AMDS motherboard by chance? 😆

[limber dragon]

you could also get something like a 3600 for your son, and give him the b550

I personally avoid asrock just because of meh hardware on the boards

[formal ice]

i would use it for his build but i already ordered an msi b460m and hes got an mATX build. only piece missing is the cpu

[limber dragon]

yeah, just go to r/hardwareswap with the mobo then

[formal ice]

im pretty excited i decied to build my first PC in february not knowing what i was getting into 😩 stumbled on to a GTX1660S and have been waiting for an upgrade since

[peak sail]

@formal ice don't feel bad, I been on old gtx1060 since the market scalping began

[last harbor]

My friend bought a 5800x from a scalper and has it paired with his 1060.

He should just wait, it isn't that bad.

[hollow thorn]

bruh

@last harbor 5800x at MC is like 370$ right now

[last harbor]

He bought it a few months ago

Not long after it came out

[hollow thorn]

still....

[last harbor]

He shouldn't have bought it

He should've waited

I think he bought it for like $500

He only plays fortnite so I don't expect anything less from him.

[vagrant mist]

Brain size small

[peak sail]

that reminds me, any star wars capital ship fans in here

[peak sail]

btw when the scalping started the 5700 was in stock, but i refused to buy plus I had a chance at a gtx 3080 that was too long to fit in my case lol.

[exotic yew]

Whats a gtx 3080

[vast meadow]

They obvs mean rtx 3080 lol

[exotic yew]

I'm just being a dick @vast meadow

[vast meadow]

Ik lol ;-;

[peak sail]

back and on ly half asleep letting the Marantz wake me

so now I am comparing a Asus TUF Gaming RX 6800 vs a Asus TUF Gaming RTX 3080 TI

[warm path]

Rtx 3080 is going to do better

The 6000 series got beaten by the 3060

[hardy moon]

Uhh what lol

I mean all of them have ridiculous aib card prices, but they all perform better than the 3060

[peak sail]

that is what i thought, better than a rtx 3080 but less than the TI

nm availability

[hardy moon]

6800 is like above 3070 but I’m not sure if it’s 3080 level

[peak sail]

a RX6800 XT

[hardy moon]

6800xt is between 3080 and 3080ti I think

But harder to find

No dlss or rtx

No nvidia features and stuff

[peak sail]

correct

[sharp tundra]

Would anyone know why an ASRock Mobo won't run xmp profile of 4400mhz with i9-11900k? I'm trying to get to the speeds the ram will go. I would like at least 4k

Mobo is rated at 5033mhz btw

[grizzled bloom]

Your first mistake is getting an asrock board for an Intel chip. There's not a single good asrock Z490 or Z590 that I'm aware of. Besides the iffy bios they all have crap tier vrm design.

[hollow thorn]

kit itself might be the issue, maybe like soc voltage or ring or something, lots of possibilities

@grizzled bloom hey asrock actually has 1 decent z590 board instead of 0 decent z490 boards this time around xD
z590 extreme has good vrms

[grizzled bloom]

Trying to run 4400 and only enabling xmp but not changing anything else, that's just asking for problems.

[grizzled bloom]

Noted. Thanks

[sharp tundra]

It's the only board with dual nics built in

Lmfao

[grim jay]

Hi

[hollow thorn]

(from the lga1200 vrm list this is)

[sharp tundra]

I usually only run Asus

[sharp tundra]

So you think it's the vrm?

[grizzled bloom]

I've always gone mid tier msi boards, never had anything but small problems

[hollow thorn]

VRM doesn't really factor into memory, we were just discussing things about the boards in general

but check soc/ring things

[grizzled bloom]

No but that's a problem you'll have to deal with later, some of the boards struggle to run stock settings

[sharp tundra]

I didn't think so. I usually just build and let auto work.

I'm great at building. OC I know nothing

[hollow thorn]

Memory only really cares about 3 things, mobo pcb doesn't really matter until like 5000mhz+ if it's half decent, but CPU IMC and the kits themselves matter a lot.

[sharp tundra]

It's a 19-26-26-48 4400mhz 32gb gskill kit

[grizzled bloom]

You'll probably have to adjust voltages and possibly base clock to get it to run 4400

[hollow thorn]

oh yea on the 11th gen chips there's all the different weird gear modes

[sharp tundra]

Well I would be happy at 3800-4000 lol

Yes the gear modes are confusing

[hollow thorn]

and yea, prob need to mess with soc voltage or whatever equivalent

[sharp tundra]

I also have a 980 pro and a 3070. Wasn't sure if that was messing with anything either

[hollow thorn]

shouldn't

[grizzled bloom]

Nah

[sharp tundra]

Its a i9-11900k, 980 pro 1tb, 970 Evo plus 2tb, 3070 rog strix, 750w gold thermal take, z590m-itx/ax, gskill 4400mhz, corsair h80i v2, with a nzxt itx case.

[grizzled bloom]

You'll probably want to ask forks or one of the other OC experts in #overclocking how to get it to run at rated speed, I'm more of an AMD guy.

[hollow thorn]

Fitz probably knows

I think arshia too

[sharp tundra]

Yeah I've only built two AMD machines lol

[hollow thorn]

All I know is how things work, not how to use them >:D

[grizzled bloom]

Tbh I would have personally gone AMD if you weren't planning on overclocking, the only way the 11900k is good is when you overclock it.

[hollow thorn]

11900k imc seems really good too

but well

we'll see

@sharp tundra also, might want to try just opening the side panel up and/or just pulling a fan to direct air at the sticks just in case

[sharp tundra]

I own a 9900k, 10900k, and the 11900k. Nothing but good stuff. But ASUS rog strix is the usual Mobo I use. Also the sticks are cool. Fresh boot and not booting

[hollow thorn]

nzxt in any convo just makes me think of thermal constraints lel

[grizzled bloom]

At stock settings the 11900k is closer to the 5800X, especially if you leave the power limits on like asrock does by default

[hollow thorn]

and well, stuff like b die can be pretty temperature sensitive

[sharp tundra]

Technically sponsored by Intel so I have to use them lmfao. Their AI that's in the chips is what we need for work.

[sharp tundra]

I wanted a small case. Everything is large that I have

[grizzled bloom]

Only a problem if you have bad heat spreaders or go over 1.5v on b-die

[hollow thorn]

ye I'm assuming 1.5v xmp when it's 4400mhz lel

[grizzled bloom]

I've seen 1.45v 4400c19 kits

[sharp tundra]

It is 1.5

[hollow thorn]

mm

[grizzled bloom]

Ah so airflow over the chips may help if it's got below average spreaders

[sharp tundra]

Standard gskill. I wanted zero rbg lol

[hollow thorn]

there are other nice ITX options like CM nr200p, or lian li tu150, but anyways, nzxt just kinda reminds me of thermal constraints in any situation xD

[sharp tundra]

I do not like lian li as a company lol

But the other is ok

[hollow thorn]

not critiquing your case choice or anything

I just have a personal thing against nzxt

[sharp tundra]

I kinda do too. They seem like apple

[grizzled bloom]

H510 soured their rep for you huh

[sharp tundra]

But it was all free so I can't complain

[hollow thorn]

not just h510

like all of them

except for their older full tower cases

all of them are just wack

[sharp tundra]

Well free is free is for me. At least at the moment

[hollow thorn]

(also hate them for making a h500, because the coolermaster h500 is actually a good case, and they get confused)

[grim jay]

Is there a big difference in oc ram ?

[hollow thorn]

depends

[grim jay]

Like +10-15 fps

[hollow thorn]

depends

[sharp tundra]

It's a nzxt h210 lol

[hollow thorn]

what kit of ram, what cpu

[grim jay]

Idk why people are hyped in oc ram

[hollow thorn]

it can be fun

[sharp tundra]

And I am not trying to OC just hit xmp

[grizzled bloom]

There's too many factors for a general answer

[hollow thorn]

yea

(Intel thinks xmp is ocing)

[grizzled bloom]

Well it technically is, running above base jedec speed is overclocking

[sharp tundra]

Just trying to get close to xmp

Even 4000 is good for me

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah if you buy a kit that says it can do 4400 you should be able to hit that, or else why would you pay extra?

[grim jay]

Yeah in general its fun

[sharp tundra]

@hollow thorn how did you post a pic?

[grim jay]

But casual gamer will not seea difference

I think

[sharp tundra]

Yeah 250 USD for 32GB

[hollow thorn]

Level 3+ lets you send links and pics

[grizzled bloom]

Once you level up enough your name will change color to show you have more permissions

[sharp tundra]

I don't use discord enough lol.

[grizzled bloom]

It doesn't take long to hit level 3

[sharp tundra]

Well dang it let me lol

[grizzled bloom]

See you just did

[sharp tundra]

That's the machine

[hollow thorn]

hopefully gpu gets air from places we aren't seeing

[sharp tundra]

Yes I cut the case lol

[sharp tundra]

Cut the case in 5 spots lol

It's fully open under it

[grim jay]

Hhhhhhhhg

[sharp tundra]

I needed something tiny and powerful ☺️

[grim jay]

Imagine if u want to clean it

[hollow thorn]

good

[grim jay]

I like it clean an black

[sharp tundra]

Like I said I get free gear. So I build a new computer every year

Last two builds

I was tired if RGB lol

[grim jay]

U build it

Yourself

[hollow thorn]

no rgb builds can be great

[sharp tundra]

Yeah I build for a living

[grim jay]

Wow nice

[sharp tundra]

Just not great at OC'ing

[hollow thorn]

w i d e

[sharp tundra]

My office where I build lol

[grim jay]

Ultimate room

[grizzled bloom]

I love that extra build space

[grim jay]

U need place for the keyboard

[sharp tundra]

Well it does get difficult at times lol

[grim jay]

Too small

[hollow thorn]

more space is always nice

[sharp tundra]

Kbm is there hahaha

That's at work. At home is different

[grim jay]

But nice

10/10

[sharp tundra]

I swapped to a k95 platinum xt and a Logitech g502 lightspeed

[grizzled bloom]

My g502 left click stopped working right after just 7 months. I guess it couldn't handle the mmo life.

[grim jay]

K95 is good

[sharp tundra]

Dang Ive had mine for like 16 months

[hollow thorn]

It is what it is

[grim jay]

Luck

[sharp tundra]

Well poo, I hit 3000 on the ram and booted to a 5.3ghz i9 but still not getting good enough speeds

[grizzled bloom]

It took them almost 3 months to process my rma too, their excuse was they didn't have any of my exact model in stock (hero se) so I took the regular hero.

[sharp tundra]

This new adaptive boost is stupid as well lol

[grim jay]

https://m.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_demos_200w_charger_tops_up_custom_mi_11_pro_in_just_8_minutes-news-49383.php

Speedrun hhhh

[sharp tundra]

Can't be good for the battery life lol

[grim jay]

Yeah

Rip the battery

[sharp tundra]

Should have said life span lol

[grim jay]

Yeah

But you can change the battery

[grim jay]

No headset ?

[sharp tundra]

That's work. At home I have two astro a50s

Gen 2 and 4

2 has better range. 4 is battery

But I play more ps5 then pc

[grim jay]

And for music ?

[sharp tundra]

KLIPSCH 2.1 pro media 1st gen with modified amp from a dude in Minnesota lol

Nothing fancy. Only 150 bucks but upgraded for another 150. Promise they are the best analog computer speakers ever made.

[grim jay]

I have 150$budget

I want to buy this

What do you think

100-200$ budget

[sharp tundra]

What brand is that? I think I've seen them and they are rated pretty high

got it to atleast not crash at a higher speed

[grim jay]

Presonus

[elfin warren]

GPU should be able to do better. My evga scores 15000 overclocked.

[main pulsar]

kilpsich

they p good

i think i spelled it wrong tho

Klipsch*

[sharp tundra]

Yeah that's what I have

[elfin warren]

Klipsch is pog

My spun copper woofer towers from them sound fantastic

[sharp tundra]

On a 3070? I left it stock

[vast meadow]

Still, my stock 3070 did about 14100 that looks a bit low

[sharp tundra]

Hmm not sure. Blame Asus lol

[vast meadow]

You should try oc it lol +150 core +900 mem easy should work

[sharp tundra]

Probably. Just wanted to make sure nothing crashed or got hot. I was running 5.2 on all cores. Could never get the ram full speed

[vast meadow]

Ahh fair enough

[sharp tundra]

I needed a decent baseline. And the h80i v2 aio is actually good. Never hit over 100 F on the cpu but just games no load testing yet.

[vast meadow]

100f or 100c?

100f is like what 36c?

[hollow thorn]

Also remember it takes time to saturate aio

[sharp tundra]

About 38c and GPU at 44c. But like I said it was just games running

[vast meadow]

Just a quick run like?

[sharp tundra]

Understand. It was on for an hour or so gaming. But I did have the side case off because I had to clear CMOS a lot lol

[sharp tundra]

I played death stranding for an hour lol

[vast meadow]

Ahh well that would help by a few degrees then

[vast meadow]

Ntb

[sharp tundra]

Yeah some for sure

At least the GPU.

[vast meadow]

Would probs help the cpu too, more cold intake air

[sharp tundra]

After work I'll be testing more

[idle rivet]

hi there, I have a question I'm hoping someone can help me with, I have 4 sticks of RAM that should get me to 64GB but I'm only getting 32. I have an i7-8700k CPU and the NZXT Z370 N7 mobo for reference

[vast meadow]

If they are 8gb sticks then you're only gonna get 32gb

[idle rivet]

they should be the 16gb sticks cause that's what I ordered. the trident z ones for 177.99

do I need to overclock the memory maybe?

[vast meadow]

Nope, take all your ram out and put back in

2 aren't being detected then

[sharp tundra]

What does it say in bios?

[vernal cosmos]

All 4 are trident z royals?

Same speed?

[vast meadow]

For that price are you sure it wasn't 2 16gb kits as in 2x8gb

[elfin warren]

yeah, that's a 32 GB kit

for 178

[vast meadow]

Yeah thats way too cheap for 64gb

[elfin warren]

Assuming they already had 32 GB.......or something

[spring shard]

[vast meadow]

Well they said they had 4 sticks iirc

[formal ice]

getting a new CPU, mobo is a MSI Z490, looking at a 10700K or 11600K, main purpose is gaming. i do record gaming sessions, but seemed to have little to no affect on cpu usage. any pros and cons? seems like the 11600k is a better bang for the buck. currently running a 10700 that will be going into my sons computer

[vast meadow]

I'd go 10700k, if you go 11th gen with a 400 series board you'll need to update the bios, and some boards dont have flashback

Also depends, what gpu do you have ?

[elfin warren]

They already have a 10700 tho, could update BIOS ez

[formal ice]

i thought about the bios already and did an update. was my first time lol was a bit nervous lol

[vast meadow]

Ohh if you already have 10700 just keep it

[formal ice]

the 10700 (locked) is going to my sons build

figure im buying another cpu might as well spend a couple more bucks and get myself an upgrade in the process 😆

[vast meadow]

Ahh fair enough

11600k if just gaming, intel i7/i9 11th gen isn't worth the price imo

[formal ice]

yeah if i were going to spend closer to the $400 mark id buy a 10850k

mainly gaming, i am getting into video editing just a little. clipping game recordings for youtube still exploring my abilities though lol

[vast meadow]

Yeah 10850k is what i would do

No point in downgrading cores

Cores can help with smoothness in frame times etc

[formal ice]

the part of me that wants immediate gratification says get the 10700k thats in stock locally 😆 😆

[vast meadow]

That would be the biggest side grade, at least get some extra cores XD

[formal ice]

lmao its true, id be able to hit the cpu boost slider on dragon center though lmao

[vast meadow]

Ehhhh you'd need to mess around in bios really

[formal ice]

whats interesting is the 11600k consistently puts up better framerates on benchmarks compared to the 10700k

[vast meadow]

Yeah but i would not recommend someone going from 8 to 6 cores tbh

[formal ice]

to be fair its marginal though like +/- 5 fps lol

[vast meadow]

Yeah the smoothness/usefulness of having 2-4 cores extra aint worth it

[fading mauve]

if i move my cpu to a new board will the thermal paste be good

[vernal cosmos]

no

every time you take off the cooler, micro cracks develop

[vast meadow]

Nah you need to reapply cuz you taking cooler off

[vernal cosmos]

that decrease efficiency of heat transfer

[dusky totem]

Thermal paste is 5 bucks

[vast meadow]

Yeah get some arctic mx4/5 its actually like 4 or 5$

[fading mauve]

wipe the old off then apply new one

[formal ice]

on the subject, what do you all recommend cleaning the paste of with? alcohol?

[fading mauve]

hmm

[formal ice]

you tube dude that does the cleaning vids uses isopropyl i think

[elfin warren]

Yes

[vast meadow]

Yeah you need to use running alcohol

[elfin warren]

90% isopropryl

[vast meadow]

90%

[formal ice]

noice

[vast meadow]

Rubbing*

[fading mauve]

like the bottle

[vast meadow]

Just a small amount of 90% alcohol with some kitchen paper will do

[formal ice]

dump the whole bottle on the mobo?

lmao just kidding, no one should do that 😆

[fading mauve]

right mobo and windows are sensitive

[formal ice]

i always used windex for windows

[fading mauve]

i meant bsod

that’s how windows is lucky mac is not like that

[formal ice]

thinking out loud as i watch my 239th cpu benchmark video on youtube, the performance gap between 10700 and 10700k seems to be the biggest gap ive seen. 11600k, 10850k and 10900k all seem to be pretty marginal in comparison

[vast meadow]

Depends on the oc i guess but are you looking at the same bench setup because gpu, cooler or ram differences can change results

[fading mauve]

If a motherboard works with 8 will 10 find the drivers

[elfin warren]

Should go to the MB manufacturers website for drivers to be safe but yes, 10 will work with it.

[fading mauve]

i swapped it from a office case i don't want to go through all mess with trying to get a dell mobo into a regular case

and connecting all the parts

you know what i mean

@elfin warren

[elfin warren]

Same answer as above, Windows 10 will work but might need a couple drivers from Dell. Have to install and see.

[naive pendant]

everytime i turn my other pc on the fans spin and leds show but then it turns off instanly

[vast meadow]

Reset cmos, reseat ram

[naive pendant]

i took out the battery

and put it back in

still does the same thing

[elfin warren]

Did you unplug the PC from the wall first? how long did you leave the battery out?

[naive pendant]

like 20-30 seconds

i unplugged it from the back of the pc

everything is new parts

except the psu

it has ketchup and mustard cables on the psu lol

[elfin warren]

What board and cpu?

[naive pendant]

i3 10100 h410me

[elfin warren]

You re-used your power supply? Does it have the 8 pin CPU connector for power?

[naive pendant]

yeah i did actually cause i ran out of money

but yeah it has it

did i mess up my components?

[elfin warren]

I don't think so, it should boot just fine. Try a single stick of ram if you have two

[naive pendant]

okay

the pc was working perfectly fine yesterday

i went to bed woke up and its doing that

[elfin warren]

Oh

[vast meadow]

Try make sure some of your power cables aren't loose

[elfin warren]

what PSU and what components do you have?

[naive pendant]

i3 10100 h410mE evga 600b vengance lpx 2 8 gig sticks gtx 1650

[elfin warren]

I'd unplug everything but CPU power and 24 pin power and see if the PSU stays on

UNplug GPU and drives, etc

[naive pendant]

do i keep it plugged in?

and switched on

[elfin warren]

You can leave it plugged in but switch it off

[naive pendant]

alright

ill try that out

should i try the one memory stick first?

[elfin warren]

Sure

[fading mauve]

i am thinking of getting a cpu cooler with the paste on there

[vast meadow]

They will either give you a tube or pre applied paste when you get a new one yeah

But don't look for specifically pre applied the tube is really easy to use

[fading mauve]

yeah my mom doesn’t know how dell works since gaming motherboard has the front case connector already like for the power button

[naive pendant]

ive tried it

same thing happens

fualty psu maybe?

[hollow thorn]

Might as well try reset cmos again for like 5 full minutes

[naive pendant]

ohh k

alright then

[naive pendant]

nothing

[wind field]

what ram should i get need to be 32gb

[sharp tundra]

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/43668110

finally getting somewhere with this ram/cpu/gpu overclocking.

[sharp tundra]

does your pwr supply have multi color wires or all one color?

If multi color short the only green wire to the next closest black wire right beside it on the 24 pin. this will turn the power supply on. Obviously remove it from everything on the mobo and accessories.

If you have a digital multi meter you can measure some voltages it it stays running.

[formal ice]

According to cinebench I got a 13% boost going from 10700 to a 10700k. MSI “game boost” enabled and using a 240mm AIO. She was breaking 90°C still

[elfin warren]

Yeah thatll happen on intel

[formal ice]

shes toasty, might have to upgrade to a 360mm cooler 😛

[elfin warren]

Eh, a better aio with a better cold plate

Msi isn't the best

Ek or arctic freezer

[formal ice]

hows NZXT AIOs?

ive seen them on sale on newegg off and on. i like the way they look 🙂

[elfin warren]

Overpriced

Meh cooling performance

[glass plover]

I can agree with vintage, i got the arctic freezer 2 240mm and it's pretty good

haven't heard anything from it since the first boot so far

[sharp tundra]

Dang that's hot. 11900k at 5.2ghz hitting 70c with h80i v2

[naive pendant]

it was a fualty psu i tried it on another pc and it didnt turn on

and i also used the psu from that other build on the pc that wasnt working and it turned on

[sharp tundra]

That's good at least

[hardy moon]

Doubt

[grizzled bloom]

50C idle maybe lol, no way a 120mm keeps it there under p95

[hardy moon]

Yeah, and they mean 5.3 single core right? No chance it’s doing all cores

People are getting 70c under full load with 5.2ghz with noctua d15

[grizzled bloom]

5.3 GHz all core on r23, peak temp was 87C with a custom water loop
https://hwbot.org/submission/4720142_arni90_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_i9_11900k_17328_pts

[hardy moon]

Ahh yes h80i in matx case 50c full load obviously

[grizzled bloom]

Clearly, makes perfect sense to me. It's not that 5.3 GHz is the standard single core boost or anything.

[sharp tundra]

You're right it was 50 on the GPU, 70~ on CPU. Looked at the wrong one

And then realized it dropped speeds later. That's why my testing is getting low cpu scores.

[wheat halo]

70 is still low for that

It should thermal throttle in any stress test and reach 90c

[sharp tundra]

I found the wattage is causing me the issue. 60+ watts per 100mhz past 5ghz

I should just keep it at 5ghz and see instead of 5.2/5.3 testing. I'll never keep that up

[wheat halo]

👍

Yeah im doing same with my 10700k i just keep it 5ghz all core for normal use i can do 5.1 and maybe 5.2 but i dont like the temps

[devout moth]

Syaple#9503 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Syaple#9503 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[split copper]

ok

[dense frost]

Has anyone had experience with Antec Katana memory?

[fading mauve]

is this a good board that’s what’s coming

[elfin warren]

What CPU are you putting in that?

[fading mauve]

Intel® Core™ i5-3470 Processor

cpu

[vast meadow]

Why such an old build?

[elfin warren]

Interesting choice

[fading mauve]

that’s what’s in my current build

[elfin warren]

China only board

[fading mauve]

dell

it’s like msi b75a-e33 board

[split copper]

kinda sad looking with all those PCI slots

I'd prefer maximising slot usability

[fading mauve]

ok should i return it and get a legit msi

[cursive epoch]

That's an msi lol

[fading mauve]

nice i had a msi before i think it was a msi ms7525 with my compaq

[naive pendant]

can you mix a 2400 and 2600 DDR4 Together in a laptop?

[elfin warren]

You can but it will all run at 2400 so no point really

[glass plover]

Any reason to upgrading from a 3700x to new ryzen?

[fading mauve]

open box in the usa

Are the american version better then the china @elfin warren

[hollow thorn]

Doesn't really have anything to do with that, it's that china only board doesn't really get much English documentation or support, or testing in English

[elfin warren]

Also lacking some BIOS updates if you need it for CPU support. Also, possibly driver issues.

[fading mauve]

i am going to start a return tomorrow

[grizzled bloom]

If you're happy with it then no, but if you absolutely need the best then yes. The 5600X beats the 3700X nicely in gaming, by about 10% in 1080p. Higher resolution it won't matter as much.

[glass plover]

Gotcha i'm 1440p

[grizzled bloom]

You're more GPU reliant then, CPU has less impact and you might get a couple % but I don't think that's worth upgrading over

[elfin warren]

I don't see a reason to upgrade to 5000 from a 3700x. At 1440p it's not going to do much.

[fading mauve]

if i start a return tomorrow i hope it will go back

[naive pendant]

what is fastest ram under $350 total? I need 32gb

and i dont care about looks

[elfin warren]

What cpu

AMD only likes fast ram to a point before you lose performance via FCLK

[naive pendant]

i9-10850k

I was told this is good

https://www.newegg.com/oloy-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820821392?Item=N82E16820821392&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-821-392-_-06072021
at 1.5V you can get 4000mhz c15 supposebly

but idk

[elfin warren]

Counting pretty heavily on an overclock TBH

[naive pendant]

Yes

well what else is good

[elfin warren]

For RGB https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fcwkcf/gskill-trident-z-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4000-cl16-memory-f4-4000c16d-32gtzr

Not RGB https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gfWBD3/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4000-cl16-memory-f4-4000c16d-32gvk

4000 C16 fast

[devout moth]

Milk#1025 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[naive pendant]

so the second one is same but no rgb

hmmm

[elfin warren]

Yes

[naive pendant]

and I wouldnt need to oc?

or

[elfin warren]

Nope

It would just run at 4000 C16

You could always try and push it beyond that though

4200

4400

etc

[fading mauve]

Can i have some help on finding a open box msi motherboard 1150 for a good price in the USA

[grizzled bloom]

You'll need to be more specific, MSI makes dozens of different products and has hundreds of different designs in each product category

[naive pendant]

Oh and do u have an opinion on aios? What should I get, I want 360mm

Type in #old-cooling if u have too

[grizzled bloom]

EK-AIO (not basic or elite, just regular or D-RGB model) lian li galahad, arctic liquid freezer II
Those are the top 3. EK is best RGB, Arctic is best overall.

[naive pendant]

@grizzled bloom yea my friend said artic was best overall, they have the 360mm in stock on Amazon for $130 so I may buy that

I just need to decide on ram

And a case but cases are pretty easy

[grizzled bloom]

Make sure you either have enough clearance above the board (bigger cases will) or you get lower profile memory

[naive pendant]

Phantex P400a

I was told is good

[grizzled bloom]

You'll need to mount the 360mm on the front, which will limit your GPU length

[naive pendant]

Oh

So what’s a case that’s better then

Lmao

[grizzled bloom]

Let me double check some numbers and I can tell you about how much length you can still have

[naive pendant]

Atm I have a rx 580 4gb, was gonna upgrade to a 2080 at scalper price soon but would want room for anything

[grizzled bloom]

Well without anything on the front there's room for up to 420mm GPU, fans for the Arctic are 27mm, and the radiator is 38mm, leaving you with 355mm

This model of 2080 is 327mm, even with the triple fan design https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1436918-REG/msi_geforce_rtx_2080_gaming.html

The reference board design is 267mm. I'd say you'll still have plenty of space.

[fading mauve]

got it fixed

[naive pendant]

So it’s fine? Are 30 series ones too big or are they fine