i dont really care
#cpus-mobo-and-memory
frozen basin
hardy moon
Intel: 10850k/(10900k at micro center)
AMD: 5900x is 450
frozen basin
Intel: 10850k/(10900k at micro center)
AMD: 5900x is 450
ty
hardy moon
ty
Or the 11700k, but I would have to check whether that’s significantly better performance than a 10900k
eager shore
nah
worse than the 10700k in some instances
5900x is better atm, 10900k/850k if you can find it for cheap at microcenter
hardy moon
Really? Tom’s hardware article I’m reading is suggesting that if it’s better
Kind of old maybe
eager shore
gn benchmarked it
hardy moon
Oh
glossy gate
someone probably answered me already but a 10700f is better than the 10600k right
naive pendant
someone probably answered me already but a 10700f is better than the 10600k righ...
well...ye
hardy moon
someone probably answered me already but a 10700f is better than the 10600k righ...
More cores not sure about single thread performance
naive pendant
except that on 10700f you can't OC but you are getting 4.6ghz on all cores
hardy moon
Definitely less boost clock I thought
Well it says 4.5 on all cores but I can get 4.9 on all cores with pretty easy overclock
naive pendant
on the 10600k?
anyway i would go with 10700f if there was a option to choose beetwen them
despite losing about 400mhz on all cores(compared to 10600k OCed to 5ghz), you still getting a cpu that gonna last for years
also z490/z590 isn't that cheap either
hardy moon
Yes
glossy gate
yeah
naive pendant
is b550-a actually that bad?
vast meadow
It's pretty good, in most cases you can use instead of x570
naive pendant
ppl always telling me it sucks
hollow thorn
@naive pendant MSI B550-a?
it's a lower end board, it's nothing special, but it gets the job done.
naive pendant
ok
frank leaf
nah
is this just based on benchmarks though? I am evaluating similar thing but keep seeing people with 5900x having issues. Doesn't seem plug and play, and bios updates seem unreliable
eager shore
5900x isn't plug and play but it should be easy to flash the bios then go on with your day
11700k seems to underperform or perform the same as a 10700k and it's more expensive
vernal cosmos
lavish aspen
waste of sand
bruh
naive pendant
i watched the video and seems like 11th gen is just another refresh of the same thing
grizzled bloom
It's not even supposed to be out yet, I'm expecting (hoping really, for the sake of Intel staying competitive) that a BIOS and microcode update will help fix some of the issues.
Their excuses for only 8 cores on the top chips are completely weak though, so Ryzen will seriously outperform on the high end I'm predicting.
naive pendant
Their excuses for only 8 cores on the top chips are completely weak though, so R...
mostly likely
some leaks points for lga 1700 to have up to 16 cores though
split copper
They probably made a 16 core i9 11th gen and then put it in a computer and it blew up their factory and now they're covering it up
naive pendant
They probably made a 16 core i9 11th gen and then put it in a computer and it bl...
accurate
grizzled bloom
Intel will just have to stick to undercutting AMD prices on the mid-low end, like AMD has been having to do previously lol
naive pendant
the tables have been turned
although intel will launch their new XE-HPG gpus soon
let's hope that they spice the gpu market atleast
and don't screw up
grizzled bloom
Intel will be fine, they have time to catch up again since they're still making tons of other products.
I'd avoid first gen Intel GPU because there 100% will be bugs in software/hardware. But for those that just need "something" it might be an option.
livid sparrow
I just wish someone else'd step into the CPU market and really shake things up. I'd love to see what is turned out when both Intel and AMD have a fire lit underneath them
split copper
Nvidia cpu
vast meadow
nvidia
split copper
And IBM cpu
vast meadow
possibly an nvidia arm cpu tho more likely than x86
as intel owns x86 can amd owns 64 bit so
livid sparrow
Texas Instruments CPU be hip, I'mma use it to play hangman and use 1337 speak
naive pendant
That's 128 *cores*, not threads. A challenger approaches.
isn't that only sold on china?
since they are fabricating under amd license i guess
livid sparrow
No hyperthreading too
naive pendant
No hyperthreading too
i don't think HT matters much when you have a 128 cores
livid sparrow
They said it just barely beats out the top tier EPYC by a few percentage points, so it obviously counts for something
Figure out how to get HT to work with it and it is undoubtedly king
naive pendant
well
they could make a bigger die
i guess the space is a issue though
and they better off making clusters instead of a big sized die
anyway i wonder how intel want to manage their fabs and manage the fabrication of arm chips
digital kernel
You don't really need SMT with arm
Though there isn't really anything stopping you from having it
limber dragon
what was the comet lake chipset that allowed for memory overclocking, but not cpu?
split copper
Isn't that the B series?
glossy dust
b460 looks to be locked
yea b460 locked, but b560 has ram unlocked. it's fine tho
i9 or any intel processor with -K, automatically for Z board
more easier
limber dragon
and pay an overclocking tax on a build for a 10 year old? No thanks
grizzled bloom
Lol when I was 10 I remember playing Toy Story 2 on my Windows 98 PC that had 333 MHz processor and 8 MB of graphics memory. It ran like garbage, that computer was not meant for 3D gaming. I noticed, but only because the frame rate dropped to probably 5-10 FPS in fights. Didn't care on games that were over 20.
harsh night
Only 512gb? laughs in intel optane persistent memory
glossy dust
Asus Tuf b460 pro wifi for $152
or
Gigabyte b460 aorus pro ax for $163?
harsh night
Asus Tuf b460 pro wifi for $152
or
Gigabyte b460 aorus pro ax for $163?
get a b560 board
elfin warren
Neither
harsh night
not b460
elfin warren
B560 is the way
harsh night
B560 is the way
this is true
glossy dust
I mean, ik that
harsh night
glossy dust
But damn
harsh night
get that one
elfin warren
WDYM, good B560 board is $109
elfin warren
When it's in stock
elfin warren
Yes
glossy dust
Nah at first i do now i kinda not
harsh night
glossy dust
And won't buy on newegg since am not from us
glossy dust
Shipping is too much lol
harsh night
what country
elfin warren
Hmmm, looks like the price went up but see how much this is where you live https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157976?Description=b560&cm_re=b560-_-13-157-976-_-Product
glossy dust
Philippine peso
hollow thorn
Oh god not lazarda
glossy dust
Nah not gonna buy there
I'm more of a shopee person so yea
They do well tho, at least here
hollow thorn
Yea shopee is nicer
glossy dust
Sometimes lazada is just dumb
glossy dust
Btw there's already a b560 here but it's ds3h and matx
glossy dust
That's a yikes for shopee
Nah buying intel in shopee is pure dumb. It's dominated by amd lol
Last time there's still some remnants of intel now it's all gone into ashes
The specific pc shops still sell some tho
If i could get that 1650s on fb marketplace (bnew and listed by a shop) i'll buy some parts on shopee
hollow thorn
Tryna remeber, I think there's one more online retailer for the philippines
glossy dust
Pchub, easypc (if ryzen, but their site is unattended lol), pcexpress/pcx (no -Fs given for intel), then some more that i also forgot
Pcexpress has nice gpu pricing but lacks variety. Another amd simp
Only pchub is the way (except when buying gpu and ram, very wack & memeable numbers )
btw gigabyte b560m ds3h ac was exactly $120 here
gonna watch see if they'll stock other b560 too
glossy dust
yea that's why but it's atx
but imma see if there's other-
wait
rakk has cheap af matx case
imma grab that instead and upgrade to atx system later
spare gyro
Let fun time commence
spare gyro
Yeah was my bday gift to myself
limber dragon
16x4 is not going to be a fun time lol
pastel knoll
Hey guys, I am helping a friend out with their PC build
harsh night
Hey guys, I am helping a friend out with their PC build
yes?
pastel knoll
And er we ran into quite a problem
pastel knoll
So I know that the Power Supply comes with cables, but I don't know if they are compatible with the Motherboard
harsh night
So I know that the Power Supply comes with cables, but I don't know if they are ...
ok
pastel knoll
Or the Hard Drive
harsh night
go on
pastel knoll
Infact, I don't even know the interface (Stata, etc) for the hard drive
idk if its 3g/s or 6g/s
Compatibility w/the CPU
harsh night
so the one that says eps or cpu on it is for the cpu
limber dragon
limber dragon
pastel knoll
harsh night
how can you post it
pastel knoll
idk
limber dragon
I have a logger going, so I see his links
pastel knoll
xD
limber dragon
harsh night
yeah those are new parts your psu, if new, should be compatable
limber dragon
yeah, you're fine
pastel knoll
Are you sure?
harsh night
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-wd_black-sn750-nvme-500gb-internal-pci-express-3...
this goes into your mobo
harsh night
Are you sure?
what psu
limber dragon
the ssd goes right under the cpu, above the gpu
harsh night
the ssd goes right under the cpu, above the gpu
this
limber dragon
and that psu will have everything
harsh night
yes its compatable
pastel knoll
Oki doki! And its safe right?
harsh night
yes
harsh night
just dont pug the wrong stuff into the wrong plugs
harsh night
and it won't blow up his home
prolly not
there is always a chance
like 0.0000000000001
subtle lava
Z490 a pro and 11700k a good fit?
lavish aspen
what is the best chipset for a 10900k?
sullen cobalt
Z490 a pro and 11700k a good fit?
why not, its gonna work perfectly fine, although the board might need a bios update
subtle lava
how do you update that
sullen cobalt
Most msi boards have a bios flashback mode that allows you to update it without a bios
you need a usb drive for it, a psu and the board itself
the rest you're better off googling how to do it, might depend on the board
subtle lava
I am gonna get msi z 490 a pro
sullen cobalt
@subtle lava actually nvm the z490a pro doesnt have flashback for some reason
which kinda makes no sense considering even their cheaper boards have it
in that case if it doesnt come with a updated bios, you gotta go to a shop and have them do it
sullen cobalt
yup you're better off geting a z590 board instead
tho choose one with good vrms if you want to overclock
subtle lava
man i am debating on i5 11600k or i7 11700k
150 dollars extra
but idk I think 8 cores will be fine in the future not sure about 6
vast meadow
Get 10700k, 11700k performs the same in some cases and worse in others, and 10700k will be cheaper
slow lake
wasup
subtle lava
11600k or 11700k
slow lake
so, i want to buy r5 3600
and i have 2 options
used box for 700pln
and new one oem for 780pln
slow lake
get intel ryzen aint even in stock
3rd gen in poland has good stock
subtle lava
oh
subtle lava
i thought r5 5600
slow lake
naah
sullen cobalt
how much is the difference in dollars
plus does the used come with a cooler
slow lake
i dont have enough money 😄
subtle lava
how much is the difference in dollars
plus does the used come with a cooler
What would u say i5 11600k or i7 11700k
6core vs 8 core
sullen cobalt
11700k is kinda crap value honestly
get the 11600k, do you have a need for the extra cores?
subtle lava
people say that games will require more cores in the future
naive pendant
yeah because more cores=more fps
subtle lava
nah thats rgb = more fps
lavish aspen
Fax
sullen cobalt
people say that games will require more cores in the future
they can barely use more than 4 rn
by the time games use 6 cores, it'll be obsolete anyway
but if you want 8 cores on intel, go 10700k
lavish aspen
Is the R7 3700s cooler good I hear it looks nice
sullen cobalt
it'll destroy the gpu before the cpu 
sullen cobalt
Is the R7 3700s cooler good I hear it looks nice
it works well enough, not the best but it does a fine job
lavish aspen
Kk thx
sullen cobalt
with flight sim 2020 the game uses 4 cores most of the time and is more dependant on single core speeds
warm path
Is a new Intel Core i9-9900K for $290 a great deal?
vast meadow
Ehhh i would've buy 9th gen unless you have a z390 board or something but its meh, if you live near a micro center you can get 10850k for small bit more or same price i believe
harsh night
wait what!? why!?
warm path
@vast meadow I mean the question was if it was a good deal or not tho
I don’t see any 10th at that price range
vast meadow
<@191276897227898880> I mean the question was if it was a good deal or not tho
it depends if its a good deal if you have a 9th gen series motherboard or not
vast meadow
I don’t see any 10th at that price range
vast meadow
It also depends if you have a z390 mobo then 9900k might be best bet, but if not then 10850k is better
Np tho :)
warm path
Yea
glossy dust
11600k or 11700k
depends on what u currently have. 11600k could be ok for price but 11700k already gets bad reviews. dunno but we expect i5 and i7 be the only "kind-of-decent" options of rocket lake (poop gen but at least we know they'll do the good ol' tick tock innovation. but we know rocket lake and rembrandt will be poggers
subtle lava
depends on what u currently have. 11600k could be ok for price but 11700k alread...
i’ll get the 11700k just because of the 8 cores
glossy dust
owh
subtle lava
and i have heard the new igpu is good
glossy dust
can't find a 1050ti used?
subtle lava
eh i’d jsut get the 11700k
glossy dust
ok then
glossy dust
nice
elfin warren
Yeah, $400 is too much for it IMO
drowsy nymph
For that price.
I'd get the 11600K and wait for 12th gen.
Or wait for prices to drop and get a 10600K.
And if you want to save even more money an 8700K isn't a bad option either if you can find a super good deal on it and have it be cheaper than the 10600K & 11600K
A 10600K is very nearly the same perf as an 8700K running at 5Ghz all core.
glossy dust
10600k + 1050ti or buy some other used gpu that's works and is cheap
then a not-too-cheap z490 board
subtle lava
i had the 8700 but I wanted to upgrade the cooler , case, ram so i just decided to upgrade everything
glossy dust
owh tbh it's not a good time to upgrade rn
unless u can still bear its perf rn ig waiting for 12th gen won't hurt
subtle lava
lol yeah
but ehh its fine i cant wait lo
i was gonna olget the 10700k but 11th gen got announced
so this is it
naive pendant
Why 11700k?
glossy dust
especially 11th gen is meh and 5000 series is kinda overpriced and is nearing havng stock issues i think
naive pendant
buy 10850k
naive pendant
10850k has a iGPU
naive pendant
Doubt it lol
naive pendant
save your money on the 11700k, buy a 10850k and spend the saved money on better ram
subtle lava
i already bought 32 gigs
naive pendant
Which kit?
subtle lava
glossy dust
subtle lava
Rgb = 277373 fps
naive pendant
model number works too
naive pendant
You open it yet?
glossy dust
cl16?
subtle lava
Nope
naive pendant
should be on the side of the stick
subtle lava
I think cl 18
subtle lava
I don’t even under cl 16 cl18
naive pendant
i would try to tune it
subtle lava
Hopefully speed adds some fps
naive pendant
Theres more in the pins if you wanna read into it
Faster ram and lower CL = lower latency
subtle lava
ohhh
its average
which is fine ig
i just need to build it correctly first
Scary part
subtle lava
My first build
naive pendant
scary is AMD socket
glossy dust
ok imma make plan b canvas
naive pendant
Dont wanna fry up
Just plug PSU into wall
touch it every couple minutes
its grounded that way
glossy dust
coz $266 for 1650S is just kinda oof
subtle lava
Just plug PSU into wall
oh okay
glossy dust
unless that $200 1650S in the fb marketplace is still there
naive pendant
Buy the 10850k though
at microcenter
its 300$
with a bundled mobo
330 without
grizzled bloom
Wait... it's cheaper to buy WITH the motherboard? $300 for the whole bundle? Or is that just a $30 discount when you buy together?
naive pendant
its 30$ discount when you buy together
grizzled bloom
Ok, whew. That would be a deal I'd drive 10 hours to MC for though, even though I don't need the parts.
meager blade
Can someone recommend me cheap good ram for ASUS X556 Series (laptop)
frail hedge
Verify the capacity your laptop supports then purchase crucial or adata. Your laptop appears to only support one stick
And a max of 20GB.
meager blade
Verify the capacity your laptop supports then purchase crucial or adata. Your la...
Only 1 stick it supports
frail hedge
Check Amazon or eBay for the model your looking for if they don’t have it in stock or
You want to save money
frail hedge
I’ve owned a few crucial ssds and still have one in a pc here.
Get the largest you can afford
If your laptop has a disk drive hhd the installation of this SSD will make the laptop feel like a new model
near cave
So I’m about to update the bios on my asus b550 m-a wifi. Does it matter what USB port I use on the motherboard to update because it doesn’t have one labeled for bios update that I could see?
elfin warren
Not sure that board has Flashback, are you updating it from within the bios?
near cave
Yes I’m updating within the bios
elfin warren
Doesn't matter then
near cave
Awesome thanks so much
elfin warren
YW
subtle lava
ok just ordered the msi z590 pro
livid sparrow
Woot, the replacement motherboard is here and looks like it is going to work perfectly. I've now got two m.2 heatsinks since I kept the old one and I am giddy over being finally able to play mah games.
pale mist
jagged raptor
which is better asus rog B550 mobo or x570 aorus elite
lavish aspen
which is better asus rog B550 mobo or x570 aorus elite
they mean for gaming too
jagged raptor
??
lavish aspen
nah cus u said the purpose is for gaming in #general-chat
eager shore
which is cheaper
hollow thorn
@jagged raptor What are you putting in it
And which ROG B550 board
b550-f?
b550-e?
b550-a?
b550-xe?
jagged raptor
e and f
jagged raptor
which is better lol
hollow thorn
one is like 200$ one is like 300$
naive pendant
Hey guys! Is 64gb 3800mhz cl18 22 22 42 better than 64gb 3600mhz cl16 22 22 42 RAM?
I want to do some video editing and stream my games I play
limber dragon
might want to look up ballistix 3600c16
naive pendant
I already had 32 gigs but it was always full
Want to do some video editing
And stream my games
naive pendant
might want to look up ballistix 3600c16
I already saw this RAM but it isn‘t available in Germany
elfin warren
This is fine. 64gb 3600mhz cl16 22 22 42 RAM
naive pendant
Okay will be looking to buy the g.skill Neo ones
naive pendant
This is fine. 64gb 3600mhz cl16 22 22 42 RAM
Can I go for the 3800c18 one because it‘s 60€ cheaper and I use a 1440p 240hz Monitor which shouldn‘t cause my cpu and RAM to bottleneck performance?
near cave
So I just installed a ryzen 5600x. The stock cooler I have is a pain to install and I couldn’t get 1 screw in all the way. Am I fine or do I need to fix it?
By fix it I mean get a new cooler
void jolt
Show picture
near cave
It’s the right corner one also the temps are in low 50s high 40s on desktop with Spotify running
limber dragon
dont tighten one screw all the way down, one at a time
do it like a car's lug nuts where you go a little bit at a time in a star pattern
near cave
That’s what I did but it still wouldn’t screw all the way on the last one. It’s in from what I could see but just not all the way
sullen cobalt
It’s the right corner one also the temps are in low 50s high 40s on desktop with...
thats a bit high for idle
what are your ambient temps
maybe there is proper pressure and theres nothing to worry about?
near cave
Ok I got the final screw to go in all the way
I will check the temps after I get it all plugged in
This is it but it just jumped up to 77 and then when back down to 51.1 for the cpu package. Should I be worried because I’m a little scared right now
Now it’s having random spikes to the 70s
sullen cobalt
yup 77.8 under load is perfectly good
near cave
Awesome was a little scared for a moment there
azure drift
Yo yo, quick question. Has anyone had trouble with a gigabyte x570 motherboard not detecting hard drives? I've tried all the SATA connections and the hard drive works fine on a different computer.
naive pendant
Yo yo, quick question. Has anyone had trouble with a gigabyte x570 motherboard n...
What's the exact motherboard?
And I haven't, I don't own any x570 motherboards
void jolt
Yo yo, quick question. Has anyone had trouble with a gigabyte x570 motherboard n...
Did you initialize the disk?
grizzled bloom
If the drives are detected in bios, yes they need to be initialized in disk management or the windows installer
azure drift
What's the exact motherboard?
It's a x570 aorus elite
azure drift
Did you initialize the disk?
I tried, but the disk isn't even showing up. There's nothing in disk management or in the bios.
void jolt
you have it powered?
sullen cobalt
could it be the sata cable perhaps thats broken?
azure drift
It's powered and sata cable works fine. I got it to work on a different pc no problem.
Im starting to think I've got a bad board but I'd rather try fixing It myself before rmaing it
wild totem
I have a question. i have a HP omen with a I7-6700...600W. can i upgrade that to a I7-1080
grizzled bloom
The i9 10800? You'd need to upgrade the motherboard and RAM in addition to the CPU.
wild totem
Mother board as well?.....ram is 32 gig....i didnt realize i would have to do the mother board.....thanks for letting me know
NOT I9........I7
grizzled bloom
The have different sockets, Intel likes to change them every generation or two.
10700 is i7, 10800 is i9
wild totem
ok....my mistake...i am sorta new at this
grizzled bloom
That's ok, it's just how Intel does its market segmentation per generation. Basically, within the same generation, the order of performance is i3, i5, i7, and i9 from low to high.
wild totem
ok.....got it....So that being said, do i need to do anything other than just changing the CPU from 6700 to 10700
grizzled bloom
If you have one of the motherboards that support DDR4 you might not need to upgrade the RAM, but you definitely need to upgrade the motherboard.
wild totem
ok....i appreciate your help Fal'Cie.....i will check this out further....thanks again
grizzled bloom
The highest you can go without changing anything else is the i7 7700, but it's not a huge upgrade.
Happy to help.
inland stirrup
Just found a g.skill ram kit with 3800c14 16 16 36. Do you think it will work on the asus crosshair viii impact and the 5950x?
G.skill states that it will be working at 1.5v
naive pendant
G.skill states that it will be working at 1.5v
Yes
What are you using the system for?
sullen cobalt
1.5, isnt that a bit high for ddr4? the max safe i hear is 1.45
but besides that g.skill states it, should be good
grizzled bloom
1.5, isnt that a bit high for ddr4? the max safe i hear is 1.45
but besides that...
1.5v is fine depending on what the chips are. Samsung B-Die can go up to 1.55v safely, or higher if you don't mind them degrading, and they scale very well going higher when overclocking.
grizzled bloom
G.skill states that it will be working at 1.5v
Make sure at that voltage you keep good airflow around the RAM. If you want to overclock it you probably can go higher depending on the chips, but you'll want a RAM cooler any higher than 1.5v
sullen cobalt
oh thats interesting
time to crank my ram to 1.45 and hit the jackpot of Cl13
i cant increase the frequency anyway because its 2400mhz and the imc runs at 2666
elfin warren
what cpu
sullen cobalt
200ge
the bios wont let me go above 2666
elfin warren
ahhh lol
naive pendant
Gamers if I were to resell my 10700k lightly used, how much do you think I can get in the US?
grizzled bloom
1.45v should be safe for most memory chips, go for it
grizzled bloom
Gamers if I were to resell my 10700k lightly used, how much do you think I can g...
Probably close to $300
grizzled bloom
Auctions work too usually for high demand stuff like this, sometimes it goes higher than average sale price.
It'll sell pretty fast at $275 though
mild jackal
b-die will more often just die randomly at bench volts than degrade.
Some hynix chips won't like over 1.4v
grizzled bloom
Older, cheaper Hynix though usually right? Like stuff rated at 2400 that has no business overclocking anyway?
oblique crown
Are there any motherboard benchmark tests? 😄
I want to get a motherboard for a 10900k or kf
And I am not sure what.
elfin warren
Just pick one
oblique crown
Good, so motherboard are not that important. Thanks
elfin warren
Motherboards don't affect performance for the most part
oblique crown
Thanks. I will get an average one then, not 100 but not 500 either
oblique crown
Thanks, 200 it is then, or around it.
elfin warren
That should get you WiFi, tons of SATA and USB ports, etc
grizzled bloom
Unless you get the cheapest of the cheap, motherboard won't affect performance past the chipset used.
oblique crown
590 v 490?
grizzled bloom
590 if you need PCIe 4.0, 490 is plenty for most people
elfin warren
That too. IMO, PCIe 4.0 just isn't worth it. GPU's don't need it and the drives are really overpriced for it
grizzled bloom
Right. It's decent for media creators and miners, but that's really it for use cases that benefit.
elfin warren
DOes it affect mining a lot?
grizzled bloom
Not really, unless you have at least 8 GPUs in one system, then they can each do x2 mode and still have the bandwidth of gen 3 x4
hollow thorn
There's also a good few z490 board with pcie 4.0 support
oblique crown
z490 it is then.
What does it mean when a motherboard says that some RAM frequency can be attained only if OC?
That I have to OC the motherboard? Pardon the stupid question 😄
grizzled bloom
Technically anything above the speed when you first install the RAM is an overclock. Even XMP.
hollow thorn
Technically, the CPU makers only set a certain frequency as the 'max' for the CPU, for example, 3200mhz on a 3600, 2666mhz on a 10600k
hollow thorn
And anything beyond the "max" is technically OC
even if you're just applying the XMP profile that was meant for the ram
oblique crown
Technically anything above the speed when you first install the RAM is an overcl...
I mean I get 4x8 3600 mHz RAM. The motherboard says this: "4500(O.C.)/ 4400(O.C.)/ 4300(O.C.)/4266(O.C.) / 4133(O.C.) / 4000(O.C.) / 3866(O.C.) / 3800(O.C.) / 3733(O.C.) / 3666(O.C.) / 3600(O.C.) / 3466(O.C.) / 3400(O.C.) / 3333(O.C.) / 3300(O.C.) / 3200(O.C.) / 3000(O.C.) / 2933 / 2800 / 2666 / 2400 / 2133 MHz"
mild jackal
That spec is kinda meaningless
oblique crown
So 3600 is listed as OC only. Although the RAM runs by default at 3600.
hollow thorn
ye
oblique crown
So it works then
hollow thorn
You can even go beyond it without problem
like look at b550 unify x specs
people got 6000mt/s ram going on that board
hollow thorn
Your choice, I suggest 2x16 for upgradability
oblique crown
I mean if the difference is 10% or below, 2x16 for sure.
If it's 25%, I can ditch upgradability
hollow thorn
The difference is we don't even know if there's a difference in performance
no good testing yet
I believe they're about the same
So it's down to looks and price
oblique crown
Yes, reading some articles but no consistent extended testing
If a motherboard has listed quad-channel support, does it mean that I can get quad RAM sticks, or it refers to something else?
grizzled bloom
Synthetic benchmarks can show a slight difference but real world there doesn't appear to be any difference
Quad channel is only on servers right now
oblique crown
"No current LGA1200 CPU can run quad channel"
Problem solved.
Dual channel it is. 2x 16
grizzled bloom
Even with 4 sticks, it would only run in dual channel mode
oblique crown
Yup.
grizzled bloom
That's why there's no real difference
oblique crown
2x16 better, easier to upgrade.
low radish
should i upgrade my laptop to 16 gb i all ready have a 8gb sodimm ram from Hyundai and i wonder if buying a 8GB 1x8GB XPG AX4S266638G18-SBHT sodimm config with 2666 Mhz would be ok
and please ping me back bc my discord notifications dosent work
grizzled bloom
should i upgrade my laptop to 16 gb i all ready have a 8gb sodimm ram from Hyund...
What laptop? Some aren't upgradeable
low radish
What laptop? Some aren't upgradeable
Lenovo thinkpad a475
it has two slots but one has like a heat pad and the other is just plastic
grizzled bloom
Lenovo thinkpad a475
It should be ok, but keep in mind a laptop will only run at the speed of the slower stick
low radish
i will see if the stick is slower or not
grizzled bloom
According to the Lenovo site it's 1866
low radish
8gb 1rx8 PC4 2400T SA1 11 HMA81GS6AFR8N
that's what it says on the Hyundai ram
@grizzled bloom
also it has an m.2 looking thing what is it?
@grizzled bloom found it is a 8gb 1rx8 PC4 2400T SA1 11 HMA81GS6AFR8N
but i couldn't find its clock speed or mhz
@vagrant mist
low radish
low radish
What M.2 looking thing? Picture?
that one
grizzled bloom
Could be mini PCIe
How many pins are on the smaller part
If 8 pins then it's mini PCIe
mild jackal
looks like a wifi card
grizzled bloom
Probably
mild jackal
Since these look like antenna leads
naive pendant
Ok so basically I have a b560m and i just bought crucial ballistix 16gb ram with 3600mhz clockspeed but after i bought it i realized it is overkill for my i5 10400f but my question is, is it still compatible?
grizzled bloom
Yes. B560 allows for fast memory now.
grizzled bloom
Nope. Perfectly compatible.
naive pendant
Ok thank you very much
wait
can i overclock it
if i overclock it will it harm it or am i fine
because the 3600 mhz is overkill for my cpu
grizzled bloom
The only reason older Intel sockets locked you to slower speeds was so you had to pay more for the better chipset
glossy dust
nope it's not
naive pendant
Ok
glossy dust
more than intel's "sweet spot" but not too much
grizzled bloom
You can overclock it, but tbh 3600 is plenty
glossy dust
i'mma do the same to actually
grizzled bloom
Depends on the set, but yeah
Crucial is really bad about mixing memory IC brands, even in the same model series
glossy dust
owh ok good info
i'd want to upgrade to 4 sticks too someday so should i still get the ballistix rgb?
3600 cl16
its the only 3600 cl16 that i could find here
mild jackal
Crucial is really bad about mixing memory IC brands, even in the same model seri...
eh, only between rev.e and b
corsair is the worst offender of this by far
Only old crucial won't have micron
glossy dust
this should be fine for like, when i add another dual kit and make it 4 right?
i can't find the product num. in the item desc
or a 3200 cl16 trident z instead?
mild jackal
I'd go with the micron
vast meadow
corsair is the worst offender of this by far
I got my ram sticks sperate, both corsair, 1 was 8gb 3000mhz cl16 and the other was a 2x8gb 3200 cl16 and they both samsung b die
hollow thorn
But most likely different bin/revisions of b die >:D
And also, Corsair is a bit better with vegeance rgb than vegeance lpx
vast meadow
It's lpx i think, it doesn't have rgb just regular vengeance, but i mean does it really matter if diff revision, I'd say def different bin because rated speeds but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
devout moth
slow rover
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E7-2890-V2-2-80GHZ-15-Cores-155W-37-5MB-LGA2011-1-CPU-SR1GV-Tested/143910530828?epid=5020057859&hash=item2181bc6f0c:g:Ll4AAOSw9WBf9nZ- im considering buying one of these, but which motherboard do I need, there are so many different lga2011s its confusing
long basalt
Huh, I just learned something about Motherboard design today.
My next motherboard might just be a mATX board with 2 RAM slots.
Instead of a full ATX board with 4 slots.
Because unless we go to Quad Channel Memory in Mainstream boards and CPUs. 4 Slots is just stoopid
hollow thorn
More capacity though
elfin warren
Well, there's a lot more to that when it comes to ram like single sided vs dual sided dimms
long basalt
But most people won't need more than 32GB of RAM for awhile.
hollow thorn
that's what we think
who knows what will happen
I'd rather have 2 nice empty slots just in case for the same price of not having it
elfin warren
I mean, if you don't need all the extra PCI-E slots, M-ATX is just fine
long basalt
Sure, some edge cases where a person likes to do CAD work as a hobby for 3D Printing might want 64GB for gigantic models.
elfin warren
They also tend to have fewer SATA and USB ports as well but not always
long basalt
But, realistically I only "need" 2 PCIe Slots
1 for my GPU, and one for my Wi-Fi/BT Combo Card.
elfin warren
The issue with M-ATX is that dual slot or larger cards can block the x1/x4 slot
So be careful with which one you pick
long basalt
Yeah...
I have a Dual Slot GPU right now, so I'd need a board with a 1x slot at the Lowest point.
hollow thorn
why not have 4 dimm slots :P
long basalt
Because it's stupid and pointless.
hollow thorn
Because it's free and nice to have
long basalt
I'd rather just have 2 slots so each channel is for 1 stick
But I'd rather just have a board that costs a little less, has all the features of a board identical to it that just has 2 slots instead of 4.
Shave the price by like, 10 bucks
I'd buy it.
hollow thorn
Say it's daisychained, there's little cost to giving it another slot, and no performance loss for going 1dpc
long basalt
How good is the MSI MAG B550M Bazooka?
Looking to sooner or later replace my B450 A-Pro
I have a R5 3600 right now.
It looks like it effectively has the "perfect" layout for my configuration of PCIe slot needs.
Ooh, it even has a USB-C front panel connector.
And it has BIOS Flashback? Heck yeah.
hollow thorn
should be good
long basalt
I just need to know about that VRM, I don't want something that's gonna blow up if I decide to get a 5800X or something later down the line.
hollow thorn
most MSI boards have bios flashback
long basalt
I think all of their B550 lineup does.
But NOT all of their B450 lineup did.
I was kinda sad when I got to Microcenter to buy the board and CPU that they didn't have any MAX boards for the MSI B450 lineup
But, that was when Ryzen 3000 and B450 MAX boards were fairly new.
hollow thorn
Eh, they had the most b450 boards with flashback of all the companies :P
elfin warren
Until you get into the Intel boards that don't follow the TOW and actually provide a boost lol
Things get messy on INtel
wet dust
Im still getting the orange DRAM error light on my Asus ROG Strix B550f mobo with no boot. Ive reseated ram, tried different channel configs, and even cleared CMOS. Nothing has worked.
elfin warren
Im still getting the orange DRAM error light on my Asus ROG Strix B550f mobo wit...
What CPU?
wet dust
5600x
elfin warren
Have you updated the BIOS since receiving the motherboard?
If not, put this on a Thumbdrive, extract, use the renaming tool if there is one, put the ROM file on the USB root and then use FlashBack to update the BIOS https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/ROG_STRIX_B550-F_GAMING/ROG-STRIX-B550-F-GAMING-ASUS-2003.ZIP
upper rose
Hey, that MSI 450-something of mine from my November 2020 build seemed to fry from plugging something from the case and power supply incorrectly due to a mistake on my part. However, the rest of my parts appear to be fully intact, although that CPU only needs thermal paste.
The CPU is an AMD Ryzen 3 3200G, 2nd-gen.
vast meadow
do you have an issue with it ? and if so could you reword it
upper rose
Tough to explain... Let me try saying it more like this: I fried that mobo and was looking for something better.
void jolt
What did you have in mind?
upper rose
Good question. I need a mobo/GPU/possibly CPU for about 300 USD in price combined if they let me use cash.
I have everything else already.
vast meadow
lol gpu under 300 
elfin warren
And no way a GPU in that budget right now
vast meadow
if the chip still works just get a new motherboard
elfin warren
If you're lucky, yes
vast meadow
Would a GPU *alone* be over 300?
yes
upper rose
Okay, I can probably ask for a mobo for 100 and do fine, right?
Wait, is this because of those damn NFT?
vast meadow
usually they would just not in this market
vast meadow
Wait, is this because of those damn NFT?
no because of an increase in demand for gpus and a global semi conductor shortage
upper rose
So it's not just because of the internet funny money?
elfin warren
Nope
upper rose
Oof.
That wouldn't help, though.
Isn't it at least making the demand worse?
Is it just the low-end thing getting the attention?
I figured it wasn't the only aspect, but it is getting a lot more attention.
elfin warren
Tariffs and demand are the main issues with pricing
upper rose
It's not quite the LEGO house some make it out to be.
elfin warren
I got so lucky getting my 3070 before the real garbage happened
elfin warren
Increase budget for sure. And have a crap ton of patience
upper rose
Not in my county.
vast meadow
Is it just the low-end thing getting the attention?
its becuase theres a global semi conductor shortage, even car companies had to shut down for a few weeeks
upper rose
I saw.
I figured that there was a different reason.
But I'm glad to have a real idea of what's going on.
vast meadow
also demand increased
yeah if youre 3200g is still functional i would just get a new b450 or b550 board
upper rose
I already have a b450, but that's the one that fried.
vast meadow
oh wait yeah 3200g is zen + not zen 2
elfin warren
oh wait yeah 3200g is zen + not zen 2
Exactly
vast meadow
I already have a b450, but that's the one that fried.
is the cpu okay tho?
i always forget its zen + because its 3000 series
elfin warren
Hmm, looks like the TUF B550 supports the 3200G
upper rose
I can't tell because it just didn't turn on.
vast meadow
they could always just get a b450 anyway
upper rose
I have to check it further too.
wet dust
? see above?
Tried flashing bios, but I think I forgot to extract the file. Ill try again later. I actually had this board sent out to me by asus for a review and it took months to get here, so its likely that its an older BIOS.
elfin warren
Yeah, need extract the ZIP file, use the renaming tool inside if it has one, then move the ROM file outside the folder
Update should work then
subtle lava
would 11700k and 3070 be a good pair
vast meadow
Item not out yet so we don't know but 10700k and 10850k are really good deals rn especially if you live near a micro center
elfin warren
11700K reviews are in. They were released in the Europe and some reviews had one shipped to the US.
Reviews aren't great
grizzled bloom
Eh, still too early to know how final performance will be once new BIOS and microcode are released
vast meadow
11700K reviews are in. They were released in the Europe and some reviews had on...
Ohh sorry misread that, yes 11700k is just an expensive 10700k by looks of things
elfin warren
Well, microcode will help a little bit but there have already been code updates, There was one just a week ago
elfin warren
It should
torpid rune
yea i dont know y blaze is havin an issue
livid sparrow
I hope mine doesn't, it is the replacement for my RMA but I dunno if it was recently made
eager shore
i wonder if he was the actual tik tok guy
naive pendant
Anybody know where I can get a B560M PRO4 LGA1200?
grizzled bloom
Why that one exactly?
naive pendant
I was hoping to get that exact one for below 100$ but I mite have to go with a B560M
grizzled bloom
Yeah it was just released like 2 weeks ago, more stock won't be in for a while
naive pendant
Ok
eager shore
amazon or newegg sells them iirc
hollow thorn
It's backordered so
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157978
naive pendant
Yea I found that one but didn't know if there was a cheaper one
vast meadow
Yea I found that one but didn't know if there was a cheaper one
Check the steel legend one around the same price i believe
hollow thorn
@subtle lava benches galore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n0_UcBxnpk
some more benches
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16535/intel-core-i7-11700k-review-blasting-off-with-rocket-lake
limber dragon
they arent under nda because they got those cpus from retailers
subtle lava
the reviews on yt’
naive pendant
"every conceivable area"
Lol what?
intel is smashing AMD budget end
10850k 300$?
10600k 230?
10400f 140-160?
its definitely by choice
they make more money that way lol
if you get sales to reach a certain height its better than having a high profit margin
forest sage
Should I get the Intel i9 9900kf or should I get the i10?
naive pendant
Should I get the Intel i9 9900kf or should I get the i10?
do you have mobo already?
if not neither
buy a 10400f/10600k/5600x
forest sage
I have a asus mobo that supports the i9 9900kf that I’m interested in buying for my build
naive pendant
buy 9900kf then
forest sage
Ok
grizzled bloom
Wait for the new Ryzen APUs coming later this summer (probably)
subtle lava
I thibk intels uhd should be good enough for now
i’ll try to get the 3070 or 80 by june-july
hopefully more stock for humans
glossy dust
there's upcoming 3070ti
still leaks tho but yea that confirms its future existence unless discontinued/delayed
subtle lava
bruh these people keep releasing cards for bots
grizzled bloom
I think they pretty much gave up trying to stop the bots once they realized there's no real way to tell the difference between a bot and someone refreshing every 100ms
vivid epoch
they should do the click the box with the bycicle thing on a purchase and boom problem solved
grizzled bloom
they should do the click the box with the bycicle thing on a purchase and boom p...
Those captchas are a joke honestly, they get bypassed so easily. There's also services where people remotely solve captchas for you in return for you doing theirs later.
vivid epoch
Those captchas are a joke honestly, they get bypassed so easily. There's also se...
so the bots can get past them?
grizzled bloom
Easily
vivid epoch
Easily
maybe some dev can make a new advanced one or something
with more boxes and different shapes and stuff
grizzled bloom
AI is a thing now, and really easy to program (if you know how to work a neural net)
vivid epoch
so whats a human attribute that an AI does not have...?
hollow thorn
Remember what AIs were made for, AIs were made to be as similar to a human as possible :P
Artificial intelligence is modeled after human intelligence afterall
vivid epoch
lets try to think of something tho
grizzled bloom
They already have bots that can get past visual and audio captchas, there's not much else a computer could do to validate human interaction
vivid epoch
that we have that ai doesnt
hollow thorn
There's likely nothing easy
vivid epoch
maybe a picture?
vivid epoch
like a quick drawing
grizzled bloom
They do pictures already, like the "select squares with bicycles"
hollow thorn
Have you seen deepfakes before..?
grizzled bloom
AI could eeeeasily draw something
hollow thorn
Yea
vivid epoch
if you tell an AI to draw a circle, im gonna assume it will draw a perfect circle right? the captcha could recognize the human's circle because it is imperfect
vivid epoch
theoretically
split copper
You can tune deepfakes pretty well
grizzled bloom
Not necessarily, it could be programmed with a small variance
split copper
Make fake people
hollow thorn
Deepfakes are crazy
grizzled bloom
You could even make it draw slightly different each time it draws the same thing
split copper
And you can go from photorealistic person to sketched person to cartoon person to anime person
hollow thorn
Only thing left is official identification
Unless we want to rewrite the constitution, this probably wouldn't work either
vivid epoch
what about a fingerprint?
hollow thorn
Yep
vivid epoch
ooh heres a possible solution
live audio from the device microphone
would get sketch for desktop users with no mic
but it could work
hollow thorn
Even easier to fake
grizzled bloom
Loopback interfaces
You can take an audio file and make it pretend to be playing over an input
hollow thorn
Something like wegg shuffle is really the best you can do about it
but it doesn't take them out of the picture
Just lessens their advantage
vivid epoch
yeah
grizzled bloom
A good programmer making a new validation method will always be outdone by a better black hat programmer
vivid epoch
what about pre-approved shoppers? you gotta sign in on a verified account before buying anything. or do the bots have fake accounts too?
hollow thorn
And again, how are you going to verify them?
vivid epoch
what is a way to somehow verify an account to prove they are human?
yeah
its tough bro
hollow thorn
Unless we want to rewrite the constitution, this probably wouldn't work either
United States laws ;)
We can't just make them take their drivers license out afaik
grizzled bloom
It's hard to stay within the bounds of the privacy laws and verify someone at the same time
hollow thorn
I don't think it's possible to verify anyone within the bounds of privacy laws that an AI can't do
grizzled bloom
The EU has even more restrictive laws than the US now
hollow thorn
Do they?
grizzled bloom
Every website accessible from within the EU has to allow users to opt out of tracking cookies, to start with
hollow thorn
I know the (Insert 4 letter acronym, GDPR iirc?) one, but that only applies to like cookie data
vivid epoch
that seems nice
hollow thorn
And also, that requires websites to offer an option to delete all of your data
iirc
grizzled bloom
Basically that alone is enough to stop most verification methods, since websites use cookies to store your data
They can't restrict certain features only to people that allow themselves to be tracked
What's to stop someone from making verified accounts using stolen IDs anyway?
vivid epoch
nothing, really
it seems bots stealing our purchases are inevitable
except for in person
grizzled bloom
Which is exactly how some stores like Microcenter are doing things right now, no online sales at all for GPUs
I kinda want to open my own computer repair/sales shop so I can buy my own stock of GPUs and such lol
vivid epoch
thats smart lol. open it up, get your card, sell the extras and make your money back
grizzled bloom
I could more than make the money back, I could do a $200 markup per card and still sell them all easily
vivid epoch
😂 fr. push out a competitive market and other retailers will have to lower prices cuz ur stealin all their customers
grizzled bloom
Stock is so limited right now competition doesn't matter, demand is high enough people will pay literally anything you ask
"$1000 for a 3060ti is fair right? No? Lol good luck finding another one then."
grizzled bloom
You too, g'night
vast meadow
Basically that alone is enough to stop most verification methods, since websites...
Usually if you don't have cookies for a verification thingy they can slow you down slightly i believe
Eg the cloudflare loading thing
Although thats only on some sites
vernal cloud
I would like to upgrade my CPU and motherboard ,
I thought I'd choose this MSI MPG Z490 GAMING CARBON + i7 10700k for £ 520 or to opt for MSI MPG Z590 GAMING CARBON + i7 11700k for around £ 690
Will the £ 170 make the difference ? As gpu i use MSI 3070 suprim and memory G.Skill Trident Z 2 x 8 gb at 3200mhz , Thanks !
glossy dust
I would like to upgrade my CPU and motherboard ,
I thought I'd choose this MSI ...
nope. 11700k not worth it
better if u buy a trident z with 3600mhz that used b-die
or a crucial ballistix that has rev-e die
170 pounds better if u allocate it on ram and storage. 11700k not that worth it
glossy dust
b560 is the only thing that you shouldn't skip
naive pendant
I would like to upgrade my CPU and motherboard ,
I thought I'd choose this MSI ...
nah
keep the mobo+cpu
11th gen and z590 is not that worth
unless you looking for better VRMs to overclock but even that is kinda meh to waste money on
naive pendant
b560 is the only thing that you shouldn't skip
yep, b560 is poggers
raw abyss
When x570 asus rog crosshair viii hero or dark hero back in stock?
vivid anvilBOT
:8ball: | Very doubtful, vintageRacer79
grizzled bloom
You could ask @glad socket if they know
Currently outside business hours but they'll get to you
nova ridge
vernal cloud
@naive pendant @glossy dust Thanks !
upper rose
Hey, the mobo and CPU I discussed with you fellows yesterday never fried, and I was mistaken.
I stressed at the moment for nothing!
I'm glad it works again, though.
vast meadow
nice
vast meadow
what a "deal"
broken grail
Downloaded latest bios update for the ryzen 5000 USB problems how do I update it from here
vast meadow
What do you mean?
elfin warren
Mmmm, you put the files on a USB stick, reboot, go into the BIOS and update from there
It's not something you should do from within Windows
broken grail
i see
blazing spear
5600x or 17-10700kf. They are both the same price where I live. I will do streaming, video editing and gaming. Minecraft, valorant, CS:GO
rocky forge
anyone know a good usb 3 splitter for my mobo?
my board only has one header, but the case has 2 cables
finite elm
:( i was selected to buy the 5950x but I was asleep when the buy window opened. Fml
rocky forge
rip
finite elm
:( damn timezones.
hollow thorn
5600x or 17-10700kf. They are both the same price where I live. I will do stream...
Well, how would you rank your priorities for Video editing and gaming?
5600x will perform better for gaming, 10700k should perform better for editing
Well, 10700k actually is fairly close to 5600x for editing it seems
rocky forge
No one got a splitter?
limber dragon
No one got a splitter?
limber dragon
https://www.google.com/search?q=internal+usb+3.0+splitter
that's also more work than just copy/pasta the url
naive pendant
u typed /spoiler
limber dragon
above enter
hollow thorn
lol
grizzled bloom
this compatible with x79 and lga2011
Socket 2011-1 specifically. You need a c602j motherboard. The pins are different. Or you might ask our sketchy xeon ceo here how to mod it.
naive pendant
ye
although 11600k doesn't seems a skippable chip
it even beats 5600x in some titles
although 5600x is way more power efficient than 11600k
so thats a issue
frigid vapor
F for intel
naive pendant
well, it's still beat the 5600x on price and does well on gaming
grizzled bloom
If the price stays competitive with the 5600X the 11600k would be a good choice (ignoring motherboards)
Oh good new microcode didn't fix anything how useful
naive pendant
ye
only issue with 11600k is that you have to buy a Z board+cooler
while 5600x you can just buy a b550 and use the stock cooler that comes with it
grizzled bloom
11900k review since GN isn't up yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2VrHzqz750
Interesting theory by Jay in there too. Potential Z platform in the next year with 10 core+ and DDR5, that would be a good competitive move.
naive pendant
although 5600x is way more power efficient than 11600k
PBO is a must now tbh
with PBO it is not more power efficient
grizzled bloom
Did you miss the part where stock 11600k was using 125 Watts?