cpus-mobo-and-memory

[lethal charm]

Capacity is "total amount you CAN install"

[naive pendant]

When I checked mine, my capacity was 4gb

I'm running 16gb rn with 15.9 usable

[azure stirrup]

How much better is 1600af than i3 2125

[lethal charm]

@naive pendant I'm looking/checking to confirm.

Well - both Crucial (from your screenshot) and C|net show the maximum capacity at 16 GB.

I can't seem to confirm on HP's site through Product manuals or info... But you should be good.

[naive pendant]

K, thanks

Go the gskill ripjaws is good then

[lethal charm]

Yvw. Sorry for the delay - appreciate your patience.
Wanted to express that it's not generic plug & play.

No - I wouldn't go with the G.skill 3200.
I'd go with Corsair ValueSelect DDR4 2133

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-16gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820233888

@azure stirrup Here's what I found:
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-2125-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600/m3545vs3919

Seems the Ryzen 1600 af beats the i32125 on all accounts... for the same price.

[azure stirrup]

Would it be worth the upgrade if all I'm doing is gaming?

[naive pendant]

@lethal charm so buy another pair of my ram(Corsair vengence 16 gb 2x8 ddr4-2133) got it👍

[lethal charm]

That sounds right... ballpark $80-$89. Happy Mother's Day to Mom! Good on you! 👍

@azure stirrup It's a different brand, different socket, which means different motherboard.
With the CPU being around $150, with another $100-$150 for motherboard, and then hoping everything else will reinstall... no, I wouldn't recommend that upgrade. Only if you were already buying new for a value PC.

or if everything else you do on the PC is lagging, and it was time for a new build/upgrade anyway

(hope that makes sense)

[azure stirrup]

Yea I'll probably just build a new one tbh

Everything is extremely old

Are the cheaper ASRock boards any good?

Like the pro4 and steel legend

[lethal charm]

I'm with ya.
Last one I built I had for 8+ years. I'm currently working off of an Asus gaming PC from 2013... that's on its last leg.

[fervent lagoon]

Steel Legend is ok, but anything below it from ASRock is nope

Better go with MSI instead of anything below it

[azure stirrup]

Oh ok

[lethal charm]

Yeah. I saw ASRock and was curious where they came from. (I've been building for over 20 years).
Per their site - they were founded in 2012. I'm not confident in their record / such a young company.

[fervent lagoon]

ASRocks been out since before that

Was a subsidiary/sister company of ASUS

[lethal charm]

Oh? Ok.

[fervent lagoon]

Oldest ASRock board i remember is from 2005 or 6

[azure stirrup]

Would the steel legend support 3600 ram?

[fervent lagoon]

ye

[lethal charm]

My bad. 2002. It was very late last night.

[fervent lagoon]

https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/user/MadMan97/saved/qvMdD3 Yes. This is pretty much what i'll have in a few weeks. CPU is coming, but everything else i have already, spare parts etc and some from current main rig, PSU is a bit different, same for SSD but GPU is a blower but not from Asus

9900K+Z170 is gud yes

[hollow thorn]

...Interesting storage choice

[fervent lagoon]

Well the drives are all what i've gotten from my random PC filps over the years, except for the New Toshiba

And well I'll most likely upgrade the case and cooler with the flip i'll do on my leftover old main rig parts

[plush timber]

@hollow thorn question about this video card. Power connectors. The card has two ports 8 and 6. Do I need to fill in each one? My psu only has two 6 and two 2. Just plug as many in as I can?

Lol sry for the dumb question but is what it is

[hollow thorn]

@plush timber what do you mean..?

[mild jackal]

It needs both. Plug in a 6+2 and another 6

[fervent lagoon]

He put it into a wrong chat

[hollow thorn]

You mean your PSU has 2x (6+2) plugs?

[plush timber]

Do I just plug in the 6 prong

Yeah so fill up all 14 ports

[hollow thorn]

On one side, you plug in the the 6+2 together

on the other, you plug in the 6, and leave the 2 hanging

[plush timber]

Yeah copy that mthats what I did and thought this might not work but eventually windows found my 4 screens

[hollow thorn]

fair enough

[plush timber]

I noticed my HD power poeer connector is resting on this gigantic video card too. Piss poor mobo or case I dunno lol

[devout moth]

dead Chris bounce#1445 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[lethal charm]

wow @fervent lagoon ... @ that build VS prices

[plush timber]

Oh oops. Warning

Thanks again @hollow thorn and @mild jackal

[fervent lagoon]

@lethal charm Got most of the parts in trades or something other fun dings

[hollow thorn]

you're welcome

[lethal charm]

Yeah. Huge discount on motherboard.

[plush timber]

Will be bugging you gain later when some mobo come back in lol

[fervent lagoon]

9900K, PSU, RAM and The Toshiba HDD were bought Brand new, Some of them bought months ago and 9900K Still not here

Had the Mobo for my old Secondary Non-K OC Celeron G3900 PC

Bought it used 2 months ago

[lethal charm]

I was debating on repurposing my old Chieftec Matrix ATX case to save $80. But I'd be limited to 80mm fans, and throwing away perfectly good (albeit slow) mobo/CPU/RAM/video card...
I'm rethinking in just sucking up the cost and buying a new case that supports 120mm fans.

And keeping the old PC as-is.

[fervent lagoon]

Case and Cooler are temporary for me. I don't have any other stuff in my "E-waste" collection

[lethal charm]

I'm going to use stock heatsink & fan on an AMD Ryzen 5, and see how that goes.

I'm trying to do my full build (primarily gaming PC) for +/- $1200.

(like you - less hard drives)

seems we get stuck with ample hard drives over the years of multiple builds.

[plush timber]

is there a section of this channel for drivers and stuff? my computer is downloading exceptionally slow and the driver exe is only 400 megs... and its stuck on updating a driver with searching online through device manager

[fervent lagoon]

I will either trade my i5 8400 PC for a case and 360 AiO or i5 8400+1060 6Gb to a better GPU or just keep both PC's as they are after the 9900K comes

@plush timber #windows-ios

[tacit hemlock]

Try askin in #windows-ios

[lethal charm]

👍

[plush timber]

oh duh. thanks

[lethal charm]

@fervent lagoon You used that PartPicker site before? Looks interesting - I might have to try it.

not a 'duh', @plush timber . I'm fairly new here, and was going to say "no, this is pretty much hardware-only". lol

@fervent lagoon You used that PartPicker site before? Looks interesting - I might have to try it.
Wow - a lot of cool ideas and suggestions on this site. Adding to Bookmarks. Thanks for turning me on to something new!

[fervent lagoon]

If i hadn't sold most of my old setup https://pcpartpicker.com/user/MadMan97/saved/#view=PNhBP6

Board was really nice, especially with my old god bin R5 1600X i had

4.15Ghz 1.4V, when the top 4% or better chip was 4.1Ghz 1.44V at worst

[empty spoke]

Will the hero 7 work with a 3rd gen ryzen cpu even though in the specs it just says gen 1 and 2. Hero 7 came out end of 2018 and the 3rd gen im looking into came out in July Im pretty sure it will just making sure

[fervent lagoon]

Ofcourse it'll work just update Bios. Same with the Crosshair 6 and Prime X370-A i had on my rigs

[gritty meadow]

@fervent lagoon check the manufactures support page, it will have a list of supported cpu's and what bios you need

[fervent lagoon]

Pretty much Everything X370, B450 and X470 supports Zen2 CPU's after bios update, support being kinda spotty with A320 and B350

[empty spoke]

Got it

Thank you

[deep vigil]

I'm so confused why is a 7700k still going for 300 bucks on ebay

[mild jackal]

Same

[fervent lagoon]

@deep vigil barely 160 used here. 6700K's around 130. 4790K's are at 160+ as last of Ddr3 mainstream so people try to pull off won't get rid of my 16 or 32Gb of fast Ddr3 people's moneys with them

[inner tinsel]

can a i7 9750 gtx1660ti laptop run any game on medium setting?

[lethal charm]

@inner tinsel Wouldn't see why not, though it is specific to the game.
I'm still working on an i7 2630 (4-core 2.0GHz) with a GTX 560m, and still run most games on medium.
Guess it depends on what framerates you're willing to tolerate.

[inner tinsel]

60. I just want to know what to buy so I dont have long /ss loading times. Pathfinder kingmaker and modded skyrim i spend more time waiting then playing lol

[lethal charm]

why does it need to be a laptop?

Map load times could also be affected by the hard drive - whether it is a mechanical drive or SSD.
Skyrim seems to have really low requirements - even at Recommended settings.
There's many factors involved. Try: https://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri

[olive umbra]

Well, to be fair, Skyrim's storage speed requirement tends to scale with number of mods given how inefficient Creation Engine is

Oblivion was pretty bad for this too

[plush timber]

is there a way to figure out or solve why my FX-4350 is at 99% all the time?

[gritty meadow]

resource monitor

see if "something" is going full throttle

[plush timber]

yeah thats what i dont get

[gritty meadow]

it might be a disk that is causing it

[plush timber]

it says CPU at 100% but theres nothing there

[gritty meadow]

because the IO system is being hammered

[plush timber]

looks like Chrome and call of duty but even before i open cod its up there

[gritty meadow]

@plush timber tomorrow, about 4-5 hours earlier than now, i should have time to look at things. If you want

[plush timber]

i should be around then. i'd appreciate it if you have a few min

is there a way i can cut it? i mean i know chrome is a resource hog but it says one tab in chrome is hogging it

and COD is downloading installing shaders at a remarkably slow rate

[gritty meadow]

yes, because "something" is using the cpu/system otherwise

but yeah, as mentioned

tomorrow

dont have the time to dig into it today

[plush timber]

all good. thanks in advance

[gritty meadow]

you are very welcome :)

[plush timber]

Windows Audio Device Graph Isolation task manager says this is using a bit too... anyone know what that thing is lol

[olive umbra]

that handles part of the windows audio subsystem

[cursive bison]

best "budget" X570?

[weak hamlet]

asus TUF?

[hollow thorn]

Asus x570-p

[steel night]

is there a huge difference besides price between a 3600x and a 3700x gaming wise?

[hollow thorn]

3700x has 2 more cores

[steel night]

well yeah i'm more concerned if there is a huge gap in performance

[hollow thorn]

depends on the game

[weak hamlet]

i'd go with 3600

non x

slight oc

you'll save money

and still have amazing performance

[steel night]

Thanks been fighting myself for the past 5 days, at first it was ryzen vs i5. But only because the lack of available x570s mobos

[naive pendant]

ASUS TUF B450M-PRO GAMING

Is it still being manufactured?

[hollow thorn]

Yes, just temporarily out of stock

[naive pendant]

Hey it's you again. Tell me something @hollow thorn is the 570 all that or just cost more

Or more like saying 450 is entry level and 570 is pro leagues

[hollow thorn]

b450 was an older generation, they're both pretty similar, only major feature of x570 is pcie 4.0

[naive pendant]

Mmmm I see and according to my records of research. Ain't that much use for 4.0 yet

Or I'm just dumb

[tall nymph]

should i go with an ASUS B450-F Gaming or MSI B450 tomahawk max for the r7 3700x

[naive pendant]

ASUS TUF B450M-PRO GAMING

I was recommended to this mobo. @tall nymph

[steel night]

it's just more of a pain in the ass to flash the x450 imo

[hollow thorn]

?

most come with pre-flashed bios

[steel night]

just depends when they where made

[hollow thorn]

today, manufacturers guarantee flashed bios on their boards

For example

[midnight pollen]

yeee

[steel night]

should go check out asrock's forums then, they're dropping the ball

but it depends on where you buy the mobo from, you do not know if it's been sitting in inventory for awhile

[hollow thorn]

You can take your complaint to Asus in the case above ^

Because that's the manufacturer saying the board is ready

Tuf b450m pro has been used by people here in builds here before with updated bios. Whenever it comes back in stock, it'll be new stock.

[cursive bison]

would a B450 be bottlenecked if I plan to use a GPU, 2.5 GBps NIC and a RAID controller? I see theres only 1 pcie 3.0 slots, others run at 2.0 speed

[plush timber]

speaking of bios @hollow thorn my gigabyte board is fairly old... think it's worth tryign to flash an update to it from gigabyte?

[hollow thorn]

@plush timber Eh, you shouldn't just flash bios for fun, it's slightly risky. Usually you shouldn't unless you need to

the reason it's risky is if say power goes out mid-flashing, your board is bricked bc the bios is just screwed.

[plush timber]

yeah ok so next question is do you think bios being old could be why my cpu is at 99% a lot?

i mean. onc ei open my trading software or open cod its upt here

right now its about 45%

and taht rx 5700 is hot

anywho, i'll skip the bios disaster waiting to happen and build a new one with your recommendations

[supple monolith]

Bios flashing isn't risky with a dual bios board, right?

[hollow thorn]

not as risky

but I mean the chances of your power going out is tiny, but that doesn't mean you should just randomly flash your board because you're bored

[icy field]

my friend just bought a B450 mobo and it had bios F50 on it

which is really recent

supports 3000 series

[mortal girder]

Whats a good mobo for Amd Ryzen 5 3600

[solemn flicker]

What is better a ryzen 7 3700x or i5-9600k

[hollow thorn]

Depends on workload.

@mortal girder when it's in stock again, Asus tuf b450m pro.

[mortal girder]

Okay Thanks

[mortal girder]

Whats some good ram

[hollow thorn]

@mortal girder g.skill ripjaw v 3600mhz cl16

[brazen cradle]

What would be better for a big game like arma 3 that i7 or the ryzen 5 3600

[mortal girder]

Does that one come in white or just black

[wet rapids]

uh

does what come in white or black @mortal girder

[mortal girder]

That ram the g.skill ripjaw v 3600mhz cl16

[wet rapids]

no they dont

only black and red

if your looking for white ram corsair vengance and vengance pro are good choices

if your looking for a more silver look this is good too

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232394

[mortal girder]

I am going with a black and white build and then tring to find a good pop that shows my personality

[wet rapids]

if your not worried about the price i think that 3600mhz corsair vengance pro would be the best option for that type of build

they are out of stock right now tho

what other stuff are you looking at?

[mortal girder]

Can I pm you

Is having a-lot ram good for games

[wet rapids]

well

for gaming you only really need 16 at most

if your doing a lot of stuff like hardcore video etiding and such then you may want 32 or 64

[mortal girder]

what about for also for photoshop and illustrator with gaming

[wet rapids]

you can always get 16 first and see how it goes and upgrade to 32 later for the same price

[mortal girder]

Okay and can I dm you to see if this mobo is good and the graphics card is good

[wet rapids]

yeah

[long geyser]

@mortal girder Get these. They OC to 3466/3600 CL16 quite easily for cheap. Also white/silver
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DZVD4D/crucial-ballistix-sport-lt-16-gb-1-x-16-gb-ddr4-3000-memory-bls16g4d30aesc

Wait nvm. Not dual channel

Get these then. Same price as Corsair CL18 but these are CL16
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/njvqqs/crucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4w

[finite light]

so i recently aquired a ryzen 1600 af and could not for the life of me figure out why my adata 3800 kit wouldnt run faster than 2133, apearenly its because they are some random "c-die" I was looking at the CMK32GX4M2Z3600C18 and was wondering if they would work well with thr 1600af

[tacit hemlock]

Anyone see the ltt video on the new 3300x and 3100 cpus?

[hollow thorn]

Yea

[gritty meadow]

@hollow thorn hm, the 3300/3100 reviews came much earlier than expected

[hollow thorn]

Yea

[gritty meadow]

mind, i have just opened a bunch of tabs, so i can get reading

[hollow thorn]

Havn't had time to watch GN's video yet

Fair enough, all I saw was the LTT vid

[gritty meadow]

videos are generally the last thing i hear/see for stuff like this

[hollow thorn]

Eh, they're the easiest way for me to catch up with things, I don't subscribe to any like tech news websites or anything

So YouTube subscriptions are the first things I see

[gritty meadow]

i dont subscribe to them

i just have habits that are hard to break :)

[hollow thorn]

Actually, GN should also have an article, I'll go read that

fair enough

[gritty meadow]

also, i do enjoy some dry brit humour

"When AMD announced the new Ryzen 3 processors built on Zen 2, I was under the impression that these were essentially the reject parts from AMD’s successful Ryzen 3000 line. Inside is a single chiplet with only four cores active out of eight, pushing up to 4.3 GHz; but the kicker was the low price of $120 for the high frequency version, or $99 for a bit slower. AMD has sold quad-core CPUs at $99 for a while, but this is the new core and the new manufacturing process, so would this be any different? We put them up against a $350 quad core from three years ago. It seemed like a crazy idea at the time."

[midnight pollen]

I usually get my info from here cuz i don't feel like taking time to watch a vid or read a article

[hollow thorn]

Yep found it :D
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3580-amd-ryzen-3-3100-cpu-review-benchmarks-overclocking-gaming

lol

[gritty meadow]

above quote is from anandtech

[hollow thorn]

I mean it should be single ccx

[gritty meadow]

Cutress is a brit with extra brit on the side

[hollow thorn]

so full 4 cores of the single ccx

huh interesting, 3300x is single ccx, 3100 is two ccx

[gritty meadow]

that can be seen in a couple of ways

[hollow thorn]

Sadly GN has only the 3100 review

no 3300x yet

3100 aint looking great

[gritty meadow]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15774/the-amd-ryzen-3-3300x-and-3100-cpu-review

have fun

[split copper]

well

[hollow thorn]

I will

[split copper]

it is a quad core

[hollow thorn]

thought the IPC improvements would bring it over a 1600af in games

but guess not

[gritty meadow]

remember what i have been saying about the new consoles?

8 core, zen 2

basically a 3700x

and people thinking that a desktop 3600x will easily keep up?

[hollow thorn]

?

[gritty meadow]

games likes cores

not as much as we might wish

but the days of "you only need 1-2 really fast cores" are more or less over

[hollow thorn]

Thought the days of fast quad core are still with us

[gritty meadow]

last legs imo

[hollow thorn]

huh wtf is with this laptop

microsoft antimalware just

doing stuff

[gritty meadow]

it is doing its job

[hollow thorn]

when all I have open is zoom and chrome

what is it doing?

[gritty meadow]

scanning data for weird "stuf"

[hollow thorn]

It just suddenly started heating up and I hear the fans so

heck

[gritty meadow]

check that your defender isnt scheduled to run now :)

[hollow thorn]

I never set up defender so idk lol

hmm

[worn plover]

hmm indeed

[hollow thorn]

no scheduled stuff I think

last scan was 5 days ago

[midnight pollen]

defender be like that

[hollow thorn]

annd defender isnt taking up cpu now

zoom just be making it loud

[worn plover]

my b, i thought i was in general

[hollow thorn]

rip

[gritty meadow]

look at what Ian says about that

[hollow thorn]

yea...

depends on the board

[gritty meadow]

and specifically what?

[hollow thorn]

bios

[hollow thorn]

I assume youre talking this part

[gritty meadow]

manufacturers nickel and diming

[hollow thorn]

Yea.

[gritty meadow]

please remember that next time someone starts a rant about bios sizes etc

btw, that bios chip is valued in cents

[hollow thorn]

yea its really sad

[gritty meadow]

customers are getting what they want

its just ... annoying ... that they dont understand what that means

[hollow thorn]

I only know that many b450 MSI boards don't have large enough bios chip, like 16mb instead of 32mb or smth, so it can't support third gen without slimming down the bios interface.

[naive pendant]

Other than ASUS TUF B450M-PRO GAMING

Any suggestions for other good mobo anyone would recommend

[hollow thorn]

but I do also remember on the MSI forum, people said there was a shortage of larger bios chips or something

[gritty meadow]

bios chips are iirc, on a fairly old (high yield process) so ... maybe? but not that likely

@naive pendant the non-m version of the same board

but you will be stepping up in the 120-130usd range then

[naive pendant]

Non-m version?

[hollow thorn]

Asus tuf b450 pro gaming

Gigabyte b450 aorus pro wifi is also a nice board.

[gritty meadow]

m = micro-atx version

non-m = atx version

[naive pendant]

Oooooh

How about this? ASUS TUF B450M-PLUS GAMING

Any user experience with this from anyone

[gritty meadow]

aye, unless it is silly cheap? dont bother

the Pro Gaming is just a overall better board

[ocean delta]

That's what I got a msi x570 pro

It's works me well

[hollow thorn]

..

[ocean delta]

I know I it's a pricy borad okay

[hollow thorn]

Pretty sure thats the one which has VRMs that overheat

[ocean delta]

I have a ry 7 2700 and haven't seen too high temps

[hollow thorn]

yea thats why

[ocean delta]

What does he have?

[hollow thorn]

It goes to like 100c 120c on VRMs on a higher 3rd gen chip

Also, thats VRM temp not CPU temp

[ionic hamlet]

Which board are you talking about?

[ocean delta]

X570

Pro

[hollow thorn]

For example

[midnight pollen]

ye it gets toasty if you like ocing a higher end chip

[hollow thorn]

Debauer's chart

thats 3900x Stock

not oc

not pbo

stock.

[ocean delta]

That's why I didn't get high chip

[midnight pollen]

airflow is anyways good

[quaint current]

ay look at that solid tuf board

[hollow thorn]

lmao why spend more for a board that does less?

160$ for that board instead of say a Asus tuf b450m pro that is 100$

[ocean delta]

Idk

Just cause

Also naed made the list

[ionic hamlet]

Problem is, the TUF board has those rather ugly yellow accents on it.

[midnight pollen]

asus b450 has a bit less power i think

[hollow thorn]

Hell I think thats an underclock on the 3900x xD

1.15v 3.8ghz

Power delievery wise, they're the same

But x570 a pro has worse VRM temps

[ocean delta]

Well damm

[hollow thorn]

To the point it might become an issue with more load put on it

[ocean delta]

Guess I'll get a better one latter

Not now though cause I have no problems at all

[hollow thorn]

MSI x570 lower end is not great

[gritty meadow]

@ocean delta remember what we talked about with availability

[hollow thorn]

until tomahawk comes

[ocean delta]

Yes

I do

[gritty meadow]

you wanted things

[ocean delta]

I did

[gritty meadow]

thats the "cost"

[ocean delta]

I do not complain about it

[gritty meadow]

i know :)

[ocean delta]

It works fine for what I fo

[gritty meadow]

not seeing it as you complaining at all :)

[ocean delta]

Better than I needed really

[gritty meadow]

just giving context

[hollow thorn]

The point is, I'd rather not reccomend that board

[gritty meadow]

also @hollow thorn, non-oc use case

[ocean delta]

Also I haven't had problems with the SSD being on the os at all

Works fine

[gritty meadow]

aye, i personally didnt have a problem with msi boards when i did that list

[hollow thorn]

I mean 3900x stock (I believe UC) made VRMs go to 90c

thats quite toasty

[ocean delta]

So I won't buy 3900

[hollow thorn]

Might even become an problem with stock boost clocks, so I'd rather not suggest it.

[gritty meadow]

@hollow thorn its the old "OC focus" talk once again :)

[hollow thorn]

Afterall, everyone wants that nice upgradability is what I'm getting at

[midnight pollen]

with a bit of airflow it should be fine

[ocean delta]

I do not overclock cpu at all

[ionic hamlet]

The board I intended to get is MSI, but it's a x570 Gaming Edge Wifi

[hollow thorn]

Like what about 3950x

Stock

no OC

[ocean delta]

I won't get it

[hollow thorn]

I don't feel comfortable with VRMs that might damage itself with a higher end chip that you could upgrade to

[ocean delta]

I'll keep my computer untill games can outdo it

[ionic hamlet]

I'm happy with a 3600, I can't afford the super high end CPUs and I don't plan to overclock.

[hollow thorn]

So I don't recommend it.

[ocean delta]

All I'm saying is that it have not gone above 70 c for me

[midnight pollen]

lol

[gritty meadow]

@hollow thorn in case it is not clear, i dont fault you for your stance

[ocean delta]

So it is fine for me

I can understand your point and your stance but in my opinion it is fine for me

[ionic hamlet]

But I am also waiting to see how the 550 boards shake out, one of them might suit me better.

[hollow thorn]

I'm just saying it's not a good recommendation for someone building a new build.

[ocean delta]

For my use

[hollow thorn]

Because how I interpreted it at the start was you saying the x570-a-pro was a good option for a new build.

[ocean delta]

It was cause I'm not very smart man

[midnight pollen]

ehh potato tomato, or whatever the saying is, you'll be fine

[hollow thorn]

You'll be fine

[ocean delta]

It takes communication or research for me to change my point

I was enlightened cause of you today so I thank you for that, so I will keep it in mind it I want to upgrade parts later on

[ornate hemlock]

does anyone know if the gigabyte mb x99-UD4 rev 1 is compatible with the gskill rip jaws ram v 288 pin ddr4 3200 model F4-3200 C16Q 64 GVK??? I need to order this thru Newegg now so I can get the sale price...please help!!

[hollow thorn]

@gritty meadow Meh, I feel we just had a good bit of misunderstanding there, but that's that.

@ornate hemlock For what CPU?

[ornate hemlock]

@hollow thorn 5820k intel i7

[hollow thorn]

I believe so

the board should support 3200 on mem.

[ornate hemlock]

@hollow thorn I am just worried about the timing and the voltage as well as the size of the memory stick, shoudl I get 4x16 or 8x8?

@hollow thorn do you happen to know if I will need 4x16 or 8x8??

[hollow thorn]

Well, whatever is cheaper I would say.

Both works.

[storm mason]

hey guys i got a question about upgrade to a different mb

[hollow thorn]

Go ahead

@ornate hemlock since you have 8 dimm slots, you CAN fill them up however you want to, whatever is the cheaper option will work.

[storm mason]

i am looking at this one mb that has the same socket as my current i7-7700, LGA1151, but when i look at the website it shows it supports the 8 and 9 gen intel processers...

so idk if it will support mine

like does it matter as long as it is the correct socket?

[hollow thorn]

Intel have different chipsets that supports different generations, even on the same socket so, I don't believe so.

[storm mason]

oh alright

[gritty meadow]

@storm mason check the manufacturers page do NOT trust a seller page

[storm mason]

mb manufacturer?

[gritty meadow]

all the manufacturers have a list of cpu that a specific models support

[storm mason]

i checked the msi website ab it

ok

i will look again

[gritty meadow]

find the mainboard model

go to the msi website for it

click support

you should get to the specific section of their support that only deals with that specific board

[storm mason]

is it possible for me to send a link?

to make sure i am looking at the correct thing

[gritty meadow]

@storm mason just send it as a dm to me :)

[storm mason]

its ok i figured it out

[gritty meadow]

oki :)

[storm mason]

i will need an mb with a z170 or z270 chipset i believe

[gritty meadow]

sounds right

[storm mason]

do you guys think its alright to buy a refurbished mb off of newegg?

because most of the mb are out of my prive range brand new

[hollow thorn]

Depends

sometimes they come missing accessories

[storm mason]

like what accessories

[hollow thorn]

Mine came without wifi antennas and the m.2 shield :P

works fine otherwise

[storm mason]

ok

sorry but what exactly is the m.2 shield

but i wont need the wifi antennas since i have an ethernet

[hollow thorn]

doesn't really matter

[storm mason]

ok so the shield really does not help all that much then

[hollow thorn]

yea

[storm mason]

i think then i will go with that refurbished mb then

thanks for the help @gritty meadow @hollow thorn

[gritty meadow]

you are very welcome, best of luck :)

[hollow thorn]

You're welcome

[naive pendant]

Sigh choosing a mobo ain't easy

[hollow thorn]

Corona does not help

[naive pendant]

Corona just slows up everything

Then after the mobo it's cpu selection

Is there much difference between Intel n amd in terms or cpu n mobo? Specifily which is really better

[gritty meadow]

value and performance is in favour of amd as it is right now

[ionic hamlet]

And with the new budget CPUs AMD just released, they're continuing to kick Intel's butt.

[naive pendant]

I see

[brazen cradle]

@hollow thorn I’m curious what would be a better cpu for demanding games like arma 3 and squad ? The ryzen 5 3600 or the r7 3700x ?

[tulip raft]

I’m having trouble if I want to go with i9 9900k or Ryzen 9 3950x lmao

[midnight pollen]

I would go 3950x

[hollow thorn]

Well, it's your choice, I don't believe arma or squad take all 8 cores

[brazen cradle]

Hm

What would you choose tho ? Also for games like rust or escape from tarkov

[tulip raft]

@midnight pollen only thing pulling me back is the 5.0 ghz on the intel

[midnight pollen]

well the speed doesn't matter too much. intel is slightly faster in single threaded performance but amd absolutely demolishes in multithreaded

[hollow thorn]

Ofc 3700x if you have the budget

[midnight pollen]

you could also wait to see what 10th gen intel will look like

[naive pendant]

My PC build goal. Build a PC capable of gaming at 4k, but play at 1080p.

[hollow thorn]

More cores at the same speed is always nice in case you need it

[midnight pollen]

10th gen looks like it could be promising

[hollow thorn]

@midnight pollen it burns

And mobos are expensive asf

[midnight pollen]

true

[tulip raft]

Probably be sold out when it’s out for a minute

[hollow thorn]

Like more expensive than z390 in the leaks

Like up to 2x the price

[midnight pollen]

but if you don't care about the 300w tdp it could be good

[mild jackal]

The chips seem reasonably priced, the boards are silly expensive

[hollow thorn]

Yea

[tulip raft]

Anyways I should just go with the Ryzen 3950X I have 2 xeons right now

[ionic hamlet]

It's sounding like the cost of the new Intel boards is making the x570 boards look reasonable

[azure otter]

Yikess

[naive pendant]

im about to upgrade to a r5 3600 do i update my mobo bios first or after installation

[brazen cradle]

@hollow thorn Ight the 7 is on sale , is there a way to know how long it will be on sale

Because I can only afford it if it’s on sale

[hollow thorn]

the 7

wut

[brazen cradle]

Ryzen 7 3700x

Sorry

On Newegg

[hollow thorn]

no idea

[brazen cradle]

Sometimes it says when it’ll end but for this one it doesn’t say which is scary

[peak panther]

have any tips for installing the wraith prism

[weak hamlet]

lol

I just installed mine today

after yanking out water loop

[tulip raft]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kc3KRk Is this good yall already have a gpu my dad wanted me to go with an i9 lmao

[weak hamlet]

sheeew

that's some beefy stuff.

why 1k watt psu

[tulip raft]

10 dollars more then 850

so why not

lmao

[weak hamlet]

64gb ram?

[devout moth]

Swift#1000 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[tulip raft]

run servers, vms and other stuff

So is it good?

the motherboard, ram and all the other stuff

[mild jackal]

If XMP memory timings don't work out of the box, I'd up the vccio/vccsa to 1.2-1.3 each, and (up to) 1.5 volts.
Could be fine as is though.

[tulip raft]

Alr

[long geyser]

@tulip raft If you're trying to do multi core workloads dont get Intel
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QQGsgJ

[tulip raft]

I'm also trying to do gaming

but I'm going to use the ram you put since I don't need the rgb and its the same timings and speed

Also I ain't paying a dime and the SSD will be Samsung 970 Pro because my dad wants me to have that lmao

[hollow thorn]

@long geyser Mugen rev b would be enough..?

[tulip raft]

Ye what the heck that cpu gets hella hot

me rn lmao

[main pulsar]

me also rn lmao

[tulip raft]

soon it will be 64gb ddr4 3600 mhz for me 🙂

[brazen cradle]

@weak hamlet what cpu do you have since you got that cooler

And is the wraith the rgb one ?

[long geyser]

@hollow thorn yeah, 145w max on a 3950x

[hollow thorn]

Such a small package though

[long geyser]

doesnt matter too much at that

You'd maybe see issues with say a heavily OCed 9900k

Also if you want to do gaming and have a 1.8k budget. You should really be upgrading form that 2070S that you already have to a 2080Ti

[hollow thorn]

I'm trying to figure out how it would work but

cant find anyone that has done it yet

So, first time for everything I guess

[long geyser]

tbh it's technically easier to cool then 3900x. Pretty rare to only hit 10c at 100% as that'd suggest a multi threaded workload in which case would use all cores available

Where 3900x at 12c hit is about the same as 3950x at 10c hit in terms of power consumption

@tulip raft Anyways, if you want the best for the price sell your 2070S and get a 3700x+2080Ti
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pmsR6R

unless you recently changed your GPU, as last I heard you had a 2070S

[polar pond]

@tulip raft cant you just get 1tb A80?

[tulip raft]

I mean i would but me and my dad are chosing the specs and he wants me with that nvme ssd

[polar pond]

970 evo pro is overpriced

just get A80

1tb

and you and you dad are picking the parts, cant you just get the A80?

also the list Hei posted above can do gaming too https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QQGsgJ

[tulip raft]

I would go with that Ryzen 3950X

but one problem

[polar pond]

yeah what's the problem

[tulip raft]

My dad said it's overpriced lmao and i ain't the one whos paying for parts

[polar pond]

its not overpriced?

[tulip raft]

I know that

[midnight pollen]

intel is more overpriced than amd

[tulip raft]

i agree

[polar pond]

its 16 cores for like 200 usd more

[tulip raft]

but i have issues with my dad on this 😂

[polar pond]

so 8 cores for 200 usd more

and also 16 more threads

[midnight pollen]

you can show benchamrks or the 3900x is also good

[polar pond]

how tf is that overpriced

[tulip raft]

Tried notghost

[polar pond]

your dad be weird

[midnight pollen]

bruh he must be diehard intel

most adults today that are not very knowledgeable about computers only think of intel existing because they were king for very long time

[polar pond]

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/VQijN6AdkDED5W7uDYbd7S-650-80.png

[long geyser]

@tulip raft Show him the 3700x and ask him how it's overpriced compared to the 9900k, when perf is basically the exact same

[midnight pollen]

lol

[long geyser]

If says it is, ask him how it is

If he cant explain it then use that point at him

[tulip raft]

anyways if i do go with that i9 it's still good right

[midnight pollen]

for gaming sure, but amd is much better option for pretty sure everything else

still a good cpu

[polar pond]

yeah

but i will laugh at him for going intel, if there is no real reason

[naive pendant]

how is Corsair Vengeance LPX 16gb DDR4 3600 out of 10?

I have a problem with my gpu/motherboard.
Whenever my graphics card is in the x16 slot it has terrible coil whine but disappears when plugged into the x8 slot.
Is there any way I could fix this and if not are there any performance losses I would see from using the x8 slot?

X-posted in #graphics-cards

[weak hamlet]

@brazen cradle 3700x wrth prism

[ionic hamlet]

... is it just me or are most of the x570 motherboards are out of stock right now? The only ones left are the super high end ones or price gouging on the few regular ones.

[brazen cradle]

Thanks

[weak hamlet]

lots of things out of stock right now.

[lethal charm]

@ionic hamlet @weak hamlet Yep. I've been struggling with a build for a week now. Can't find an X570 board for under $200 anywhere. 😕

[weak hamlet]

yeah that's crazy.

https://www.newegg.com/asus-prime-x570-p/p/N82E16813119199?Item=9SIA0ZX9YV5925&Description=X570&cm_re=X570-_-13-119-199-_-Product&quicklink=true

https://www.newegg.com/msi-x570-a-pro/p/N82E16813144263?Item=N82E16813144263&Description=X570&cm_re=X570-_-13-144-263-_-Product&quicklink=true

https://www.newegg.com/msi-mpg-x570-gaming-pro-carbon-wifi/p/N82E16813144260 <- 260

@lethal charm

https://www.newegg.com/MSIZ490/Store/ID-1986?fbclid=IwAR0Yxyg8eNdSnNRmTSiDEW4QoXv4NfbVc2Fq9PAIxEYQ617_qCdTMv4AVSM upcoming z490 boards up for pre orders.

[lethal charm]

Maybe I'm putting too much (full) faith in Newegg's filters. The first 2 don't even show when I search for AMD motherboards with AMD X570 chipset.

[weak hamlet]

it is still slim pickings.

[lethal charm]

Thank you for your input - I'll generalize my search and look again. Appreciate ya!

[weak hamlet]

\o/ no worries

[spring terrace]

is buying an x570 mobo rn even worth it if i wanna get a zen 3 cpu

[lethal charm]

Hope - Google search results state that AMD confirms that Zen 3 will only work on 500-series motherboards.

(I just googled "zen 3 cpu"... because I haven't shopped hardware in a long time, and am new to AMD)

[weak hamlet]

do you mean ryzen 3000 series @spring terrace

because that is zen2

[lethal charm]

I'm looking for clarification on the Motherboard Tier List for AMD:
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1137619-motherboard-tier-list-v2-currently-amd-only/
How does the Amp draw equate to rating?
(i.e. how do I read this list? Wouldn't lower be better?)

[spring terrace]

no, ryzen 4000

@weak hamlet

i meant 4th gen

and i know it will support 4th gen, but i am wondering if i should buy a higher end x570 mobo now or wait until ryzen 4000 release so i won't have to update the bios

[weak hamlet]

do you already have a ryzen cpu?

[spring terrace]

no

[hollow thorn]

@lethal charm no, that list mostly deals with VRM quality and how good the power delivery is, the more current it can handle, the more power it can give to the CPU.

[lethal charm]

I see. So it's not really concerning GPU requirements, just potential for mobo to power CPU (for OC) ?

[hollow thorn]

Mostly.

[lethal charm]

10-4.
I plan on getting a Ryzen 5 3.8GHz, and OC to 4.0, so shouldn't be too demanding. Thank you.

That is... if I can consistently find items on my Wish List ... IN STOCK.

2 hrs ago, had everything but mobo.
Now I found a mobo, and both PSU and GPU are out of stock. Ugh.

[supple monolith]

I saw find items on wish
Didn't see the list part. I was very concerned

[lethal charm]

oh yeah - I put everything on Wish app so that it can shop for me.

that way it fills my FB feed with all of the items I've seached for.

JUST KIDDING.

[supple monolith]

That's fortunate

[lethal charm]

My Bonzi Buddy is a lot of help, too. 😉

[stray vortex]

when your friend is the best ever and buys you a 32GB(4x8GB) set of vengence RGB PRO ram 😍

[tacit hemlock]

My friends never buy me anything

not even on my birthday lmao

[gritty meadow]

@tacit hemlock, well, to be fair, where would " just (a) egg " store it?

[tacit hemlock]

The ram?

[lethal charm]

In a carton.

[gritty meadow]

since when does egg have ram?

[tacit hemlock]

Eggs don't have ram but their computers do

[gritty meadow]

and hold the carton with what hands?

ah, so it is a wealthy egg

then does it need the presents ? :P

[lethal charm]

But who "stores" RAM, or even "holds" it?

[tacit hemlock]

You got me there @gritty meadow

[gritty meadow]

just yanking your chain @tacit hemlock :)

[lethal charm]

Just ... yolking... around?

[gritty meadow]

not in public no

[tacit hemlock]

Ik lol

[tulip raft]

What’s a good motherboard for the 3950x?

[hollow thorn]

MSI X570 Unify :D

[tulip raft]

Out of stock everywhere

[lethal charm]

Yeah. Not many X570 boards to choose from.

[tulip raft]

Found it in stock somewhere

Snatching that

[rough zodiac]

Anyone know if tuning timings/overclocking ram with two different memory brands is ok? All of them are ripjaws V 3200, but 2 have hynix memory, the other 2 have samsung memory

[gritty meadow]

@rough zodiac re: will the adjustment be possible to make? yes, you can make the adjustment. Will it be stable? that depends on the specific modules

[rough zodiac]

@gritty meadow so I should probably just go ahead and experiment with it on my own? I’m mostly trying to avoid going through the hassle of resetting cmos and all that if it gets unstable

[gritty meadow]

if you are trying to OC anything, expect to have to reset your cmos at least once

if that seems annoying to you, then dont OC

[rough zodiac]

resetting cmos in of itself isn’t annoying, it’s just upsetting when stuff like that doesn’t work, but if resetting cmos is just something I’ll have to do to get better performance then that makes me feel better

[frail gorge]

Having some issues with new Mobo, ram, and processor if anyone can help. Bought i7-9700k, Asus Prime z390-a/h10, and Ripjaw V series 2x16 GB ddr4 3600 and now it refuses to post

light on the Mobo gets to dram then shuts off, even when trying single sticks

[weak hamlet]

try a stick of 8 if you have one avail

when you tried just one stick, one slot?

[frail gorge]

Yes

[weak hamlet]

er what slot I mean

[frail gorge]

Farthest right

[weak hamlet]

put it closest to the cpu socket

when you have both in, how did you have it.

slot 2 and 4?

[frail gorge]

2nd and 4th

[weak hamlet]

k

[midnight pollen]

[weak hamlet]

try one in the very first slot

I don't think your ram is compatible

according to the QVL

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1151/PRIME_Z390-A/PRIME_Z390-A_Memory_QVL_20190225.pdf

[frail gorge]

Damn

[weak hamlet]

maybe @gritty meadow can input

[frail gorge]

Was going off of partpicker website when getting these

[weak hamlet]

partpicker doesn't check QVL.

[gritty meadow]

@frail gorge could you elaborate something for me "light on the Mobo gets to dram then shuts off, even when trying single sticks" <- what exactly do you mean "gets to"?

[frail gorge]

The light on the right side for troubleshooting issues, supposed to light up and stay on when there's an issue but as soon as the DRAM light is on it shuts off

[gritty meadow]

so, it does light up for a bit?

[weak hamlet]

you said you have an 8gb stick laying around?

[frail gorge]

No, only ddr4 sticks I have available

[gritty meadow]

(box, thinking potential mounting pressure, effing the memory channel connection)

[weak hamlet]

maybe, but I think the mobo is just picky with 2x16gb

this isn't your first build is it?

[gritty meadow]

could be, just wanted to open the thought for you

[frail gorge]

No

I don't see my ram specifically on the QVL

[weak hamlet]

still try one stick in the first slot closest to cpu

[frail gorge]

F4-3600C16D-32GVKC is what's on my box

[weak hamlet]

see if anything changes.

[frail gorge]

Well it doesn't shut off immediately, now it's just a solid light on DRAM

[weak hamlet]

hhmm

[frail gorge]

Tried flipping the MEM_OK switch to off and got the BIOS to come up, gonna try with two sticks

Shuts off again

[gritty meadow]

read page 1.9 in your manual

sorry, 1.10

[frail gorge]

Welp I'm in BIOS now, guess I got a little panicky over it, thanks for the help, I'll touch back if there are any more issues

[gritty meadow]

take notice of the 6th bullet point on the above picture

because that can be a boot loop that is just annoying :)

[frail gorge]

❤️

[weak hamlet]

oooh a secret switch

interesting

so I was only half wrong?

or half right..

🤔

[split copper]

Superposition

[gritty meadow]

that bullet point must have a caused soooooo much head to desk action @weak hamlet

[weak hamlet]

I guess my first advice should have been check the manual

like usual

lol

[gritty meadow]

:)

[lethal charm]

I was going to agree: start with 1 stick, in slot 1 (closest to CPU). If that works, try 2nd stick in slot 3.

Yep, iambox. My first build - I found the mobo manual IMMENSELY useful. Basically instruction guide for how ALL other parts connect. 🙂

[weak hamlet]

well it is always my first thing to tell them to check

not used to these hidden switches.

[gritty meadow]

i dont like that switch being on by default

i would much rather it just lit up the ram error LED and that was it

[tulip raft]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZyrHDx This good? If i get Ryzen

[gritty meadow]

its a build

its overpriced and overscaled imo

[tulip raft]

how

[gritty meadow]

1000 w psu <- why?

[hollow thorn]

everything but cpu and ram can be had for cheaper

[tulip raft]

so the motherboard aswell?

[hollow thorn]

that mobo is just really high end

[gritty meadow]

mainboard you can get a 200-ish option that you most likely wont notice any difference with

[tulip raft]

I'm going for a long lasting build

[gritty meadow]

see what i said above :)

[hollow thorn]

Well, it does have some things over cheaper options, but not noticeable usually

[tulip raft]

I mean I hear a lot of great stuff about the Unify one

[hollow thorn]

It's a great board, but usually people don't need flagship boards

[gritty meadow]

ask yourself this: What does it give you?

aside from a higher bill

[tulip raft]

I just hear good stuff about it, don't know what else to get tbh

[weak hamlet]

didn't you ask yesterday about this build.

lol

[tulip raft]

No

It was intel

I might be able to go with Ryzen

[hollow thorn]

I dont have issues with that mobo tbh

but its expensive

[deep vigil]

300 dollars for a mobo is quite exepnsive

[naive pendant]

What’s the lowest ryzen 5 I can get away with playing like call of duty or gta?

[hollow thorn]

Wait for the new 3300x

[naive pendant]

Or does cpu matter with that and it’s just the gpu

Or ram and stuff

[gritty meadow]

@tulip raft https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Mq2vdm <- have a look at that, its a build i did for someone a number of months ago

[hollow thorn]

The g.skill ram is still cheaper at lower latency..?

[naive pendant]

How much will that 3300x cost

[tulip raft]

Ye

[hollow thorn]

Samsung drive is marked as purchased so not much to do there

[gritty meadow]

my list is not a suggestion for building "now" @hollow thorn

[hollow thorn]

3300x should be 120$ on realease

I understand, I'm just pointing things out as I look

[gritty meadow]

ah :)

[naive pendant]

Oh alright

[tulip raft]

Also I want to go with Liquid cooling

[hollow thorn]

because this doesn't tell you the ram is cl18

[tulip raft]

Timing 18-22-22-42 thats the corsair

lmao

[gritty meadow]

because QVL

its a production machine

for a company

going non QVL is not an option :)

[naive pendant]

Would a b450 tomahawk go with that 3300x?

[hollow thorn]

Ah I see

Yes

[naive pendant]

Ahh alright

[hollow thorn]

imo I would go with unify on splurging because splurging xD

but pro carbon wifi is also a good board for cheaper, also looks like it's in stock

[tulip raft]

I will go with Unify

Unify is in stock somewhere i saw

[gritty meadow]

@hollow thorn carbon is for the onboard wifi, for connection to test "products" for the person using that machine

[hollow thorn]

interesting

[gritty meadow]

aye

[tulip raft]

Ryzen 9 3950X will be a huge upgrade from my old 2 xeons 2643 0s

[naive pendant]

Wats up with like ssd and hdds

They the same or what?

[hollow thorn]

wot

[naive pendant]

Or what they do

[hollow thorn]

google is a good place

[naive pendant]

Well I thought what this was for

To ask questions

[hollow thorn]

https://www.pcmag.com/news/ssd-vs-hdd-whats-the-difference

[warped scroll]

SSD = Speedy. No moving parts. expensive

HDD = slowish. Moving parts. Less expensive

[naive pendant]

Hmm alright

[gritty meadow]

@naive pendant re:ssd: what do they do= <- do you want the long or the short answer?

[split copper]

There are more expensive hard drives that have higher rpms, something like around 10000rpm, and there's also the option of using two hard drives in tandem with Raid (I don't know the specific type of Raid) which sort of turns the two into one functional drive and allows them to achieve higher speeds, but both of those involve more money, so you're basically better off using a good quality SSD instead of a high rpm drive or a Raid setup

At least, that's my understanding

[naive pendant]

Short answer @gritty meadow

[gritty meadow]

@naive pendant ssd go zoooooom!

[naive pendant]

Bruh 😂

That was super short

[gritty meadow]

yes!

[hollow thorn]

Very accurate

I rate 💯

[gritty meadow]

@naive pendant the tiny bit more serious answer is this: ssds have a responsiveness that is orders of magnitudes faster than even the fastest hdds

so even a "slow" ssd will feel "fast"

[naive pendant]

Hmmm ok I get it

[gritty meadow]

rule of thumb: any system without a ssd. The single biggest upgrade for that system will be a ssd

its not even close for any other part

[naive pendant]

Can you like use a combo of both? Or would that just not work? 😂

[gritty meadow]

nothing prevents you from having multiple ssds and hdds at the same time

[naive pendant]

Hmm ok

[brazen cradle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7jH8TW/gskill-flare-x-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c14d-32gfx

How good is that ram ?

[naive pendant]

So like say I use both ssd and hdd

What would be something I use for like the ssd or something for the hdd

Or is the storage just one big thing?

[gritty meadow]

generally, you want the ssd to have the OS

and any games/programs that "like" fast storage

[naive pendant]

Hmm

[gritty meadow]

and if you have a bunch of movies? throw them on the "slow" hdd

[naive pendant]

Ohh ok

[gritty meadow]

i personally collect comics

those are on a number of hdds

[naive pendant]

So say if I did like school work or somethhing

Hdd?

[gritty meadow]

aye

but always remember to have online backups of your work

[naive pendant]

Yea yea

Alright cool thanks

[gritty meadow]

you are very welcome :)

[naive pendant]

Would 500gb ssd be enough or will that run out quick?

[supple monolith]

500gb is generally fine for the os and essential programs. I'd go 1 tb if you want a bunch of games and stuff to load fast

[naive pendant]

Hmm alrightt

[gritty meadow]

depending on your data needs, you might find that 1tb is enough for everything, which has the added benefit of being a nice silent storage solution for you

[supple monolith]

Ideally (if you can afford it) I'd get a 1tb nvme ssd and a secondary high speed 1tb hdd for storage. Total would be about $200 if you went like sabrent rocket and seagate 7200 RPM

[long geyser]

512gb NVMe + 2tb HDD would be more ideal for most tbh given more storage and less cost, $110 or so total

[split copper]

Somebody please pin Naed's zoom comment

[gritty meadow]

:P

[hollow thorn]

Lol

[mortal girder]

Who can help me with a psu supply but talking on discord

[mild jackal]

Which comment?

[supple monolith]

psu stands for power supply unit... you just said a power supply unit supply

Redundancy. tut tut

Also #cases-psu-and-cooling
If you just say what you are looking for someone will probably jump in @mortal girder

[languid iris]

Hey guys, I'm thinking of getting a ryzen 5 3600 with a 2070 super, but I was wondering if the 3600 would bottleneck the gpu much

[magic pawn]

Nah, if its for gaming the gpu is definitely more important. You should be fine with 3600 2070 combo. Might be able to bump the numbers up a bit with a better cpu but I think that is a good combo that you have

Yo newegg, when is the x570 tomahawk coming??? I am gonna buy a whole load a stuff from you guys when they're in stock.

[languid iris]

Aight thanks bro

[compact sun]

hey guys

anyone up at this hour?

SpidyToday at 3:35 AM
whats the best mid lvl motherboard for a
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1920X (12-Core/24-Thread) Desktop Processor (YD192XA8AEWOF)
https://www.newegg.com/msi-performance-gaming-b450-gaming-pro-carbon-ac/p/N82E16813144188?item=N82E16813144188&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-pc-_-pla-_-motherboards+-+amd-_-N82E16813144188&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6p_chaKm6QIVjYbACh2dMw-_EAQYCSABEgLQkfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
will that board work?

[deep vigil]

No

[naive pendant]

Wait hold up I just learned something, tell me if I'm wrong fellas. If I want RGB, the cost for certain components might be uppy a bit more than regular none flow parts?

[minor cypress]

Recommendations for motherboards with ryzen 7 3700x?

[unreal ember]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/510034/B450-F_ROG_STRIX_Gaming_AMD_AM4_ATX_Motherboard

@minor cypress ^

[tacit hemlock]

He might not have a microcenter by him tho

[unreal ember]

@tacit hemlock @minor cypress ROADTRIP!

but I mean you can buy the mobo wherever you want.

[minor cypress]

i just got an msi x570

[winged verge]

guys i am willing to buy gigabyte b450 aurous wifi rev 1 i think
so some reviews said that its ryzen 3000 ready and some said no
i just want to make sure will i get
the ryzen 3000 ready if i order one?
(its out of stock for now)

[tacit hemlock]

Yes, that board comes ryzen 3000 ready

If there's reviews that say it wasn't their either pretty old or they got insanely unlucky

[weak hamlet]

thats like with the rog strix b450 gaming

used to not be 3k ready

but it is now

[brazen cradle]

Hm how important is L3 cache ?

If one cpu has higher the threads and higher L3 but the other card has higher base and boost clock which would be better for gaming on games like arma 3 , squad , escape from tarkov and rust?

[warped scroll]

What 2 CPUs are you looking at

[brazen cradle]

Idk I feel like fanboys of certain CPU’s will be biased

[warped scroll]

You never know

But that’s not enough info I’m afraid

[tranquil wolf]

i've only used Intel for a while bc AMD was not up to par, got so used to it but i wish i had gone Ryzen when i built this new rig

[brazen cradle]

I’m trying to figure out if I should get the 3700x or wait a month for the i7 10700k. I’m mainly trying to play arma , squad , escape from tarkov , Csgo, insurgency and dayz

[hollow thorn]

oof blurry asf

[brazen cradle]

Sorry

Hold up

[twilit agate]

@brazen cradle are you just gaming? Or are you doing video editing, 3D modelling and such as well as gaming?
If just gaming probably go with 10700k, if anything else go with the 3700x

[hollow thorn]

350$

@twilit agate Thing is, on top of 10700kf being 50$ more expensive msrp, the z490 boards are going to be expensive asf

so it's spending a lot more money

[twilit agate]

True

[brazen cradle]

Oh good point

What board would I have to buy with a 10700k

[hollow thorn]

A z490 board

since its lga1200

cant even get a cheap-ish lga1151 board

[brazen cradle]

And how expensive

[hollow thorn]

like 200+ for cheap options afaik

[brazen cradle]

Bruuuh

Hm

Ok I’ll pass ig , well is it worth it ? @hollow thorn

[hollow thorn]

like

thats gigabytes leaked boards

I don't believe so, it's your choice

[brazen cradle]

What’s your build again ?

[hollow thorn]

Mine?

3800x 2070

[brazen cradle]

So a ryzen 7 3800x ?

And a 2070

Hm , what would be better in gaming 3700x or i7 9700k

[hollow thorn]

9700k slightly better

[midnight chasm]

does anyone know if adobe products are partial to one cpu brand? Amd or intel? or are they all good. sorry for interupting your guys's convo

[brazen cradle]

How dare you

[hollow thorn]

idrk

[brazen cradle]

😤

@hollow thorn hm ok I can afford both so I just need to decide . Or should I get the 3800x ?

vs

[hollow thorn]

3800x is only good if it's 330$ or less

[brazen cradle]

Oh ok

Honestly if amd didn’t have a free rgb cooler it would be kinda easier

[hollow thorn]

lmao

[brazen cradle]

That stock cooler is just

[hollow thorn]

AMD OP

[brazen cradle]

U a amd fan ?^

[hollow thorn]

CPU, yes

they offer the best value

GPU they still got drivers and stuff to clean out

[brazen cradle]

Hm ok , you did Admit that the 9700k is slightly better ughh

[hollow thorn]

Intel is slightly better at single thread performance

you also need to remember 3700x has twice the threads of a 9700k lol

[brazen cradle]

Rn the 3700k is 299 and the 9700k is like 380

Yea tru

[hollow thorn]

9700k is 8c8t, 3700x is 8c16t

[brazen cradle]

Damn

What are threads good for ?

[warped scroll]

things that use threads

lol

[brazen cradle]

Which are ?

[hollow thorn]

I mean like everything

everything uses threads

[warped scroll]

^

usually the more threads the better

[hollow thorn]

every one of these graphs are threads

each graph shows usage of the thread

[devout moth]

CmonBruh#0973 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hollow thorn]

rip

[brazen cradle]

What ?

Lol I guess I typed a no no word

[hollow thorn]

yea

This madman is using a cpu to cool a cpu

just

slapping on a cpu

[warped scroll]

UFD tech answering the real questions out here

[hollow thorn]

yea

[brazen cradle]

Hm I know arma 3 loves single thread stuff and intel is apparently good with that but would arma4 be better with 3700x

[hollow thorn]

95c idle xDDD

its a 3950x

being cooled by slapping on a 3700x

[brazen cradle]

Meatsink

[hollow thorn]

105c opening cinebench

112c

and crashed

and this madman decides to use a 10980xe

[weak hamlet]

must be nice to throw away money like that

for 'content'

[midnight chasm]

send the link to this vid please

lol

[hollow thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TblKjOZmsI

lmfao

[brazen cradle]

https://youtu.be/fRhkpkIS2a4

I7 has like 15-20 more fps ugh idk

[hollow thorn]

@brazen cradle they didnt even do arma or tarkov lol

[brazen cradle]

Ik it’s annoying , every benchmark is always with like mainstream games instead of games that only pc players can play . I feel like they should be testing out like arma , squad , csgo and other pc games

@hollow thorn

[hollow thorn]

sad

@brazen cradle tho tarkov technically in beta, and arma is a relatively small game not many play

[brazen cradle]

Tru but what about squad or rust

[hollow thorn]

I do see rust benchmarks

I've never played squad or have any friends that play squad lol

[brazen cradle]

Really ?

[hollow thorn]

yea

[brazen cradle]

I haven’t seen any with rust on those fps videos

[hollow thorn]

Rust is also really hard to benchmark

[brazen cradle]

Oh , do you not like realistic shooters ?

[hollow thorn]

procedual maps and no built in benchmarking

I play Arma with friends sometimes, Idfk what squad is

[brazen cradle]

Lol you don’t ? What fps do you get on arma ?

[hollow thorn]

I'll launch it up in a bit

[brazen cradle]

Ight

Bet

[hollow thorn]

but my 2070 prob bottlenecks it.

[brazen cradle]

Wdym you have a 2070 and a 3800x

[hollow thorn]

mhm

GPU performance impacts frames much more than CPU

If you can get a better GPU with a slightly worse CPU, you usually get better framerates

[brazen cradle]

So 3700x with a 2070 super

Would be good ?

[hollow thorn]

Yes

[brazen cradle]

Mk

[hollow thorn]

like CPU wise it affects frames by like 5%

GPU though

[brazen cradle]

Also squad is kinda like arma but 🤷‍♂️ I can’t really say since I haven’t played them but I’ve watched videos

Squad looks really fun

[hollow thorn]

meh

I don't have anything against realistic shooters, just too expensive.

[brazen cradle]

Lol oh

What games do u like

[hollow thorn]

why would I spend like 35$ on tarkov when I could get siege for like 15$

Got arma on sale for like 13$

[brazen cradle]

Because they are different types of games if

*ig

[hollow thorn]

I play a bit of everything

War thunder has been really fun lately

[brazen cradle]

Oh

I played it on Xbox but never really got into it

[hollow thorn]

I like tank realistic battles

air is

meh

[brazen cradle]

Ah I see

You said you were gonna start up arma 3 ?

[hollow thorn]

havnt played it in a while

updates

ima go wash my sheets

[brazen cradle]

Also I realized the 3700x is better than i78700k

8700 is more money but gives you like 2 more fps

[wicked gorge]

hey all, question. i got a laptop that stays at 2.8 out of 3.9 memory (72%) constantly in-use when computer is on (doesn't mater programs.) any recommendations on upgrade. i know it currently has 1 stick with speeds of 2133mhz, im not seeing anywhere if i can go with faster speeds. or should i just get 3 more of same sticks?

DDR4 SDRAM 2133mhz, 4g currently. max for laptop is 32, should i just get 2 16g sticks

[weak hamlet]

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/rammap

@wicked gorge 8 to 16 should be more than enough.

but if you run RAMMAP that'll clear up a bunch of ram for you.

[naive pendant]

Does the tuf b450 pro gaming motherboard support ryzen 3600x I cant get anything to show up on my monitor

[hollow thorn]

Yes

[naive pendant]

Ok. Any ideas on what I may be doing wrong then? I had everything plugged in and it still didnt show up. Any idea on something I may have forgotten

[wicked gorge]

thank you @weak hamlet

do i have to go with 2133mhz or can i fun faster? wish acers website had more info for upgrades XD

[weak hamlet]

um

what's the exact laptop model

[wicked gorge]

https://www.acer.com/datasheets/2017/4876/E5-575/NX.GE6EH.043.html