cpus-mobo-and-memory

[molten maple]

Fair. Thank you.

[hollow thorn]

This would be an option for CPU+Mobo+Ram+Cooler for $660 though
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8ZpzTM

over budget but it would be an upgrade

[glad meteor]

Hi, plz confirm if the following RAM is compatible with the motherboard
https://www.newegg.com/corsair-vengeance-64gb-ddr5-5600-cas-latency-cl40-desktop-memory-black/p/N82E16820236848
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813183819

[scenic solar]

I got this delidded 13900k/14900k with two broken smd components for <20€. I know it won't boot with the top one missing but it's an easy fix since the pads aren't ripped. what I'm most worried about is the bottom one missing among all the tiny smds. is there a chance it'll boot without causing any damage?

[scenic solar]

there's also a few darker pads at the top if you notice, they don't look burnt but rather slightly scratched

[lyric turret]

hey i think my ram isnt steady, i got a 64gb kit what should i start it out as

Patriot Viper Venom 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 (PC5 48000) Desktop Memory Model PVV564G600C30K

Here’s what u have

I

What should I try

[glad meteor]

Hi, plz confirm if the following RAM is compatible with the motherboard
https://www.newegg.com/corsair-vengeance-64gb-ddr5-5600-cas-latency-cl40-desktop-memory-black/p/N82E16820236848
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813183819

[hollow thorn]

It's not

[sudden creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAkd_n2zg-Y

[sudden creek]

Thought it was kinda funny.

[vernal holly]

I currently have a rtx 3070 and a 12100f with 16gb of ddr4 ram I want to upgrade my cpu because I feel its holding my pc back but id have to get a new mobo and proabably ram too, i play not too too heavy games but some are heavy, anyuways whats some good upgrades i can do for possibly sub 300?

[split copper]

idk about sub 300 but you could get a 12600k and a 32gb kit

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wNt9TW

ok nvm it's 221.99 with this and a 12600k lol

or 231.98 with a 12700kf

[vernal holly]

so i wouldnt need to updgrade my mobo

[sudden creek]

https://wccftech.com/amd-reportedly-removed-smd-components-from-top-half-of-7800x3d/amp/

[neon plinth]

I should've done more research before buying but, here we are, the day of building the PC and I found out that there's severe motherboard issues with ASRock.... I bought the ASRock B850 Riptide Wifi, is this motherboard affected by the issue or has any new BIOS updates fixed it? I'm only finding threads of the issues from 6-4 months ago...

[dire dirge]

Is it a 9800X3D you’re pairing it with?

[neon plinth]

9700X

Debating whether to wait till tomorrow to go to bestbuy and get an X870 board or to just try and use the board

[dire dirge]

I am tracking the issue is almost if not completely only the 9800X3D

[neon plinth]

Other people in other discord community is telling me there are reported failures with the 9700X

[dire dirge]

If you wanna be safe - feel free to get off an ASROCK but the large large large majority of failures were specific to the 9800X3D.

and if you keep it- just be sure you jump to the latest BIOS

[neon plinth]

yeah man idk, I wanna have the peace of mind but at the same time, ngl I wanna build my PC right now... best buy is closed so I have to wait until tomorrow to get a replacement

[dire dirge]

if it were me, I would build the PC

[neon plinth]

Yeah sorry for no update, I chose to go ahead and return the motherboard, bought the MSI X870 Tomahawk instead, more than what I need but it’s what my local bestbuy had… gonna pick it up tomorrow

[scenic solar]

that's a very odd mem frequency

[hollow thorn]

Prob just 2733 with bclk slightly below 100

[shy wyvern]

Bclk is probably 99.8 it's not that uncommon

For it to be 99.7-100

[scenic solar]

it was actually 2666 but for some reason at cl15 windows read it this way

[steady wigeon]

I just tried doing a BIOS update and after it went through, my PC remained on and is on a black screen…safe to turn off?

[devout kelp]

My pc has been recently just randomly restarting by itself thought maybe its my memeory problem. Any recommendations for 5900x?

[verbal lance]

any ddr4 32gb should work, aim for 3200mhz or higher with a reliale brand, corsair and teamgroup \

@devout kelp

[devout kelp]

thanks!

[obsidian fossil]

9700X vs 9800x3D

obviously the 9800x3D is faster but with a 5070 will it even benefit me to go the 9800x3D route @ 1440p

[hollow thorn]

For gaming, don't consider x3d unless you have at mininum 9070xt/5080 and have enough budget to get that and x3d

The gains you get from x3d for the price is quite low compared to just spending the extra money on a GPU upgrade

[dire dirge]

You are spot on here but I’d include the 5070ti.

And even then, if you can get a 7800X3D for 325$ or less it’s compelling even for a 5080

[hollow thorn]

It's usually a ~$200 upcharge to get to x3d, from say 7700x to 9800x3d, although less for 7800x3d, but with that much extra money, you can typically squeeze in a 5080 into a 5070ti list, and there isn't really anything worth getting within $200 of 9070xt or 5080

[verbal lance]

could be other problems tohugh, may need a new mobo or sometimes case, neverless its worth geting good memory

[obsidian fossil]

What level of performance gain would I see generally speaking if I were to pair a 7800x3D with my 5070 instead of pairing my 5900x with it?

I literally can't find a straight answer anywhere

don't know if it's worth the upgrade

[dim cloak]

Not really worth the upgrade, unless your chasing frames in cpu bound titles, but otherwise not worth, if you step up later in gpu generations then it’ll be worth

[hollow thorn]

20-30% ish if you're completely CPU bound, more likely closer to 10-15% since you'd be GPU bound with a 5070

[indigo steeple]

I got a 9800x3d on sale at Walmart for $390 last night 😎

[split copper]

Walm art

[scenic solar]

I have a delidded 14900k and I don't know how to test it since I can't secure it with the socket latch. where can I get a quality replacement ihs, liquid metal and adhesive? I'd like to not spend more than 50€ on these parts

any tips on how to reattach an ihs properly? I have never done it

[oblique lichen]

I’m having a problem with my vga light being on but It still displays and the Gpu runs fine. The light also turns off whenever I restart the pc,my hdmi is plugged into my Gpu not motherboard,it’s slotted correctly(B650 Eagle Ax ),any solutions?

[undone flame]

Make sure your BIOS is fully updated on both the motherboard and the GPU. Which GPU do you have?

Another thing that you can try is fully disabling the integrated graphics. If you're using a GeForce card, you should do this anyway. Most motherboards will continue to run the integrated graphics within a Ryzen CPU even when a dedicated card is installed, and having both Radeon and GeForce drivers running simultaneously will cause loss in performance.

[devout heart]

Guys is upgrading from an intel g2020 cpu to an i5 3470s on a dell Inspiron 660s just plug & play?

I’m nervous since I got the new cpu from a flea market but the seller had a bunch of cpus pulled from pcs & said they worked

I also have like 4yr old thermal paste that has a cap on & stored in my room idk if it’s still usable

[split copper]

Try it out, see if it works

I don't think you'd need a bios update or whatever to use the i5 but you could look up the board and see about that

[devout heart]

I’ll do it tomorrow but let’s say that I did need to update my bios but put the cpu in anyways, will it brick my pc?

Bc when I swapped the 2 out of 2 ram sticks out for more ram, the first time had a memory error, there was a boot screen for 30mins then I switched positions same thing, then I put the old ones back & it worked then put the new ones back & it worked

So I’m not sure if I’d have to do it with the cpu too

[split copper]

It's probably best to update the bios using the hardware you've had that's worked for as long as it has

[devout heart]

I’ll try putting it in first, but if I have to update, is it better to go from A09 to A13 or A10->A11-A12->A13?

Since I did some research that updating Bios in leaps may fail & that my current bios is fine for the cpu

[split copper]

I would leave it be

If it runs with the i5 then it's good to go

[potent mountain]

ok im insanely stumped on a n issue i hope some of yall can help

i built a system using a 5800x in a Gigabyte B550M DS3H AC (rev. 1.5)

but it doesnt boot

if i remove the 5800x and replace it with a 3200g (which i literally only own for testing and BIOS updates) the pc boots without a problem, so its not the motherboard

iI tested the 5800x on a different board and it boots wiuthout an issue, so its not the cpu either

ive updated the bios (ive tsted on thh f2 and f5h versions already) and the problem persists

ive tries swapping the GPU and it does nothing

same with SSD

the only part i havent swapped to test is ram at this point

does anyone know what the hell could be causing this issue and how i could solve it?

[split copper]

Display plugged into the GPU?

[potent mountain]

Yep

[hollow thorn]

You can clear cmos and hope it's just some mobo auto setting that's setting something weirdly

[potent mountain]

after testing further with the ram, it looks like the system wont POST if theres any ram modules in thw B channel, again, this problem doesn't happen when booting to the 3200G

if theres no ram in b channel it DOES boot with the 5800x tho

[hollow thorn]

could be a dead memory channel on the CPU

[potent mountain]

the CPU booted fine on another board with the ram in the usual slots

[hollow thorn]

something weird with mobo auto voltages sounds most likely, or something slightly out of spec for both the mobo slot and ram stick, the 5800x imc is different from the 3200g imc, so it could be something slightly out of spec there too

[potent mountain]

and what could i do to fix that?

[hollow thorn]

Mobo auto voltages you can clear cmos and then set them manually and see if that fixes anything, the rest you can't do anything about unless you can rma

[potent mountain]

nah i got it used on ebay

but they do accept returns

well, i have the cmos battery out already

ill just wait like 30 min, put it in, and see if that fixes it

if anything else, it still boots fine if i have both ram sticks in cannel A

[devout heart]

It works!! I kinda wish I went with an i7 3770 tho but it costs a little more & my stock cooler for the g2020 cpu prolly wouldn’t handle it lol

[dire dirge]

I was selected and plan to purchase. What other deals exist that I can bundle with this? Thinking a MOBO?

[scenic solar]

I'm trying to bios update an asus k7m (prehistoric motherboard) and I just can't find a way to do it since the floppy controller is failing and doesn't boot properly, plop boot manager works to boot a freedos usb but the dos programs don't work because it's not drive A: and plop likely emulated the usb so it's not directly talking with the hardware (idk if this even makes sense)... I'm running out of options, freedos on a cd would likely result in the same problems since it's drive C: and winXp keeps crashing on this hardware config

idk what to do

install win 2000/98? 😭

at least asus offers the windows flasher but I'm unsure if it's meant for pre xp os

[potent dew]

What's the best way to find well-priced server RAM? Looking for registered DDR4, at least 2933MHz

Somehow my friend got 256GB of 2999MHz for $200, the listing is gone

I have a workstation with two Xeon Gold 6122s and six RAM slots per CPU (12 total), it only has 4x8GB right now and the speed is not great

I assume eBay is my best bet

I also want at least 128GB

[potent dew]

@hollow thorn there's a scam

Wait are you a moderator?

[hollow thorn]

nah

all I can do is timeout

[potent dew]

Oh

Well you should also be able to get other people's attention at least

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/bobo-bobo-the-bear-bear-bearish-stocks-gif-11945386343589191310

[nova perch]

Is this a good mobo? https://amzn.eu/d/546nLwu

[obtuse moss]

Looks like it has a lot of good features. Honestly I'd say so. Just make sure you update the BIOS when you get it.

[scenic solar]

I got some ddr5 6000 cl36 ram for the rog b660i + 13400f, first power on with xmp i get bsod kernel auto boost something and then windows failed to load and such... does it mean this cpu+mb combo cant handle those frequencies or timings?

[potent dew]

What's the specific kit?

Doesn't seem like it should be a problem. Based on the PCPP listing, the board supports up to DDR5-6200 so I don't think that would be it.

[potent dew]

Are you able to drop it to 5800 MT/s?

Also, is the board running the latest BIOS? Might be needed for the 6000 support.

[scenic solar]

ill give that a try

do i use xmp timings but drop 200mhz?

[potent dew]

Yeah

[potent dew]

Sorry read that wrong, try 5800 MT/s with 38-38-38-76

[scenic solar]

ok

keep in ming i have repaired a ram reltaed circuit on this mb but it did not give me problems with kits that had looser timings (5600c40 or similar)

afaik the circuit is not high frequency related or sensitive to high freqs, but rather an initialization ic for the ram/chipset

[potent dew]

hmm

Do you know if those other kits were also dual rank? Apparently some 13400Fs don't like that, although the problems only seem to show up at high speeds/tight timings.

Although it doesn't sound like they were very fast/tight

[scenic solar]

I had tried only one dimm from the 5600mts kit 😅
I might as well try those again but w both dimms

I just had only one available when testing :P

[potent dew]

Did 5800 38-38-38-76 make a difference?

[ripe tartan]

does the cpu support speeds like that?

[potent dew]

Seems like it's supposed to, I just see reports of some people winning the silicon lottery in reverse and getting controllers that can't handle 2R at 6000 with tight CL36

[ripe tartan]

I’ve had issues with amd CPUs having issues

[potent dew]

My 7700X runs fine with my 2x16 6000 CL30 kit

T-Create Expert

6000 30-36-36-76

[scenic solar]

its running testmem5

[potent dew]

Okay

I should see what my old Ripjaws V kit can do, although I don't know how happy the 2700X will be if I try to push it above 3200

Oh the board it's on only supports 3200

[scenic solar]

am5 platform has been more stable with faster ram compared to lga1700

intel didn't cook

I mean they cooked cpus

[potent dew]

Me when someone asks me to summarize the last three years of Intel (besides their GPUs)

[scenic solar]

only reson I got this 1700 combo was that it costed me less than 100€

the ram costed almost as much as the rest

[potent dew]

Damn

[potent dew]

At least their stock price is finally back to what it was at the end of last year, and it looks like it'll be staying there or going up more

Unless they shoot themselves in the foot again, of course

[scenic solar]

I also recently learned that their cpus are so power hungry because "intel 7 process" is still 10nm

[potent dew]

🥀

Comes with a bonus space heater

[scenic solar]

they've had 10nm since 2018 😭

[potent dew]

Sad that the Intel fabs just fell behind so much

TSMC is making 15th gen, or whatever they're calling it

3nm

Also what's with the re-release?

[scenic solar]

I have stopped caring after 13th gen

[potent dew]

Core i5-110 is literally just old 10400s they had lying around

It's quite literally just some 10400s they rebranded

[scenic solar]

and repriced

[potent dew]

The memory support is listed as DDR4-2666 and it's on LGA-1200

[scenic solar]

I recently got some 10400 for build flipping

40-50€ they're very good deals

[potent dew]

14nm on Comet Lake

[potent dew]

They're selling the rebranded version for $200

[scenic solar]

🤷‍♂️

[potent dew]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/244818/intel-core-i5110-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-30-ghz/specifications.html

[scenic solar]

1200 motherboards are still expensive compared to 1151

[potent dew]

Code Name

Products formerly Comet Lake

[scenic solar]

omg it's really an almost 1:1 copy

wth

launch date q3-25

[potent dew]

The only thing that changed is the name

[scenic solar]

bro they found leftovers on a shelf

[potent dew]

Yeah that's what I'm saying lmao

[scenic solar]

testmem5 is running fine so far
5800c38-38-38-76

yay

[potent dew]

Optane support 🥀

[scenic solar]

naah optane is the goofiest thing
I have two "optane" intel ssds and they're slow. like sata II for the sata drive and early nvme speeds for the m2

[potent dew]

If it ends up working fine, I would try 5800 with CL36 (36-38-38-76) and then back to the rest of the XMP timings (still 5800) if it doesn't throw a fit over CL36

[scenic solar]

ok, thanks

[potent dew]

If it does throw a fit, increasing voltage slightly might help stability if you want to do that, that might also fix it at XMP

[scenic solar]

ill finish testing frequencies and timings in some hours when I get home

[scenic solar]

5800 with xmp timings worked fine, I'm now running 6000c38-38-38-76

good so far

[scenic solar]

nvm there's errors

ill try tweaking some timings or some extra voltage ⚡️

[potent dew]

With 6000c38-38-38-76?

[scenic solar]

yes, even 6000c38 and 1.4V

[potent dew]

Damn

You could try giving VCCSA 0.02-0.05V more, I've never messed with that though

[scenic solar]

yeah I just asked ai what else I should try, vccsa

there is no vccsa on this bios

but I found memory controller voltage

[scenic solar]

I just increased mic voltage slightly and some other vdd/vddq stuff, let's see how it runs

[scenic solar]

tomorrow morning I'll keep testmem running for longer since I haven't got errors so far with tuned voltages

[scenic solar]

hey it worked 6000c38 with some more voltage on the memory controller and related.
I'm now testing normal xmp with adjusted voltages to see if it keeps working. I'll later see what voltages can be dropped back to normal

[scenic solar]

I really don't understand now. I've reset all memory voltages back to normal and re enable xmp normally. and now it's running fine no errors... what?

I am so confused rn

so something must have happened the first time I set them to stock xmp, maybe some values did not reset properly for some reason

[modest citrus]

Hey not sure if this is a known problem but im having a specific issue with Am5 and memory. Built new system and tried with 2 motherboards, slots 1 and 3 do not post. Also memory seems to be iffy with high speed ram.

annoying since no dual channel due to this.

[limber dragon]

you mean 2 and 4?

1 and 3 if you're counting 0, 1, 2 and 3

[hollow thorn]

What slots work and what slots don't? By that description alone it almost sounds like you could have a dead memory channel on the CPU

[scenic solar]

it has been 3 days of troubleshooting ddr5 ram, and I finally figured it out. at higher frequencies with xmp at like 5800 and 6000mts the ram sometimes gives me errors or crashes. I noticed that if I keep the bios settings as they are, the PC seems to alternate between booting fine & passing 5h memtest and not booting/bsod/errors.
I assume that's an odd behavior, I don't have experience with ddr5 so I can't say much. Hopefully it's not related to the mb repair I made

[limber dragon]

that sounds like you have some sort of memory retrain every boot going on and sometimes it trains fine, others it doesnt

asus or msi calls it memory retention iirc

[wind karma]

My $75 AliExpress B550 itx board comes today

[scenic solar]

so its likely unrelated to my repair? i think ive shared some details on that some weeks ago.
is it more common on b660s?

[scenic solar]

I doubt that's the cause as the replaced ic doesn't handle high frequencies (+ xmp @5800mts works fine). yet, by sheer coincidence, that same ic is related to ram initialization and sync as far as I understood 🤷‍♂️

[stiff kraken]

anyone with an asrock board just constantly losing bluetooth?

have to power cycle to bring it back

super annoying

was suspecting vsoc/vddio/vddg/fclk issues but have adjusted all of them to no avail

every so often the wifi and bluetooth just stop existing and device manager shows unknown usb device malfunction

code 43

[dire dirge]

Are you updated to the newest or last 1-2 BIOS versions? Newer versions are generally more stable

[scenic solar]

kind of have a similar problem with an asrock board but usb wifi dongle

it's likely just usb thingy that's ass

[balmy mango]

Hi everyone, I have the Asus x870e with 9800x3d. Set the RAM profile to Expo II. Whenever I restart my PC, time to time it would get stuck at Code 0d on the motherboard. Is this an actual Hardware issue or a technical problem that can be resolved? I've ran a RAM stress test with OCCT for an hour with no issues.

[stiff kraken]

this is happening to the built in wifi/bt module

[obsidian fossil]

Anyone have a second to diagnose either me or my motherboard?

PC runs fine under load and there’s virtually no stability issues

But the socket looks insane and I don’t know if the socket is damaged and the pc gods are smiling upon me

Or if it’s me just being paranoid about expensive technology

[hollow thorn]

just take a picture of it

[obsidian fossil]

The dark spots tripped me out

The pc runs fine and I’ve put it under 100% load numerous times

Especially because of how consistent the dark spot is

It’s AM5 for whatever that’s worth

[hollow thorn]

Looks like it's just one of the excess vss pins

can't really tell for sure but would line up

[wind karma]

update on the board: can't get it to run my ram at 3200mhz. Just wants to do base 2133. XMP profile doesn't work, setting speed and timings doesn't seem to work either :(

even setting the speed to 3200 and all timings to auto it still goes to 2133?

it is however changing the 16-18-18-36 to 15-15-15-36

ohh I think i need to set it to 1600 in bios not 3200 🤦‍♂️

Well the main "memory config" menu doesn't have that option, but thanks to a YouTube video I have learned there is a second menu buried under the AMD overclock settings that has the correct options

...still didn't work

[wind karma]

ugh

updated bios, set the speed and timing in both menus, still doesnt work...

Maybe its the ram, vengeance is dookie

But it worked ok in my previous board

[wind karma]

Tried setting it to 3000mt/s with the timings for 3200 and it bluescreened

Oooh

Set speed to 3000 with everything else auto, booted and it's 3000 22-21-22-50

Yeah I'm able to tighten it somewhat so I guess I just can't run at xmp timings

[wind karma]

Yeah settled on 3200 18-18-18-44 cause I can't be bothered to tighten it more rn. Interestingly I scored about 5000 on cinebench r20 vs the baseline for a 5700x3d at 4700ish

Gonna try r24 and see what that looks like

[wind karma]

4% over baseline, eh I'll take it

[obsidian fossil]

Is this basically saying it looks fine actually

[hollow thorn]

It looks like it's one of the unimportant pins that has been damaged, if functionality hasn't been affected, that's probably it. Assuming you know the cause of the spot already or you caused it. If you didn't do anything and that showed up, it can be another case of Mobo voltages being wack and could continue to damage your chip, potentially in a spot that isn't redundant next time

[obsidian fossil]

It was an open box board from bestbuy

But the pin tip is like in the right spot

Like the connection point for the pin lines up but it isn't reflective like the others

At least it doesn't look off center to me

Oh wow

I didn't know that AM5 had voltage issues

didn't even bother updating my bios

Gonna do that now lmfao

[obsidian fossil]

idk voltage is steady at 1.24 under full lload with pbo on; it's probably fine and I'm probably just paranoid

ran cinebench for 13 minutes and it literally never changed

[wicked python]

hello, im going for a very high end pc for gaming only. ryzen 7 9800x3d cpu and 5090 gpu. however when it comes to RAM i saw that this cpu doesnt pair greatly with 4 sticks of RAM, so i decided to go with 2 sticks of 32 GB ram (64 gb total). but there are so many choiced, im confused a little bit about the difference between CAS latency and RAM speed, as in which one i should focus on more than the other, cause i noticed that the more speed you pack into the ram the higher CAS latency becomes, can someone please help me about which is better for gaming more ram speed or less CAS ?

[obtuse moss]

You shouldn't be too worried about CAS as much as RAM speed. Having faster RAM speed should be better than focusing on the CAS latency.

[hollow thorn]

Both matter, aim for 6000c30 or 6400c32 ish, frequency too high and memory controller can't keep up, cas latency too high and you'll lose performance, mainly from the rest of the timings but cas latency tends to be representative of the rest of the timings

[shy wyvern]

am5 doens't like 4 sticks at anything more than stock am5 speed (5600mt/s) as the controller usually can't keep up with faster ram at 4 sticks

[hybrid grove]

Has anyone ever messed with one of these?
https://a.co/d/9NXjZf7

Mobile 7945HX 16c/32t but in desktop form factor. Find them interesting. They have a matx version as well.

[shy wyvern]

These are really really great for super small mitx cases

Haven't used these but I have used intel versions from aliexpress

that have reballed laptop cpus

and they have always just performed as expected with no pcie or IO issues

[glossy wave]

Can anyone answer some questions about TPM 2.0?

[wind karma]

!ask

[devout moth]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[shy wyvern]

and they never asked

[spice fog]

https://tenor.com/view/let-that-sink-in-gif-11785532389901559578

[sudden creek]

I think I just found my dream motherboard.

B850 M-ATX board with 4 M.2 slots, 2 dimm layout, and 12+2+1 (60A) VRMs.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B850MPOWER

@limpid warren

Claims to have support for 8400mhz RAM which is the highest I have seen amongst MSI boards.

[glossy wave]

anyone help tell me how to reset the cmos on this mobo

Which one is the right pin?

[hollow thorn]

Best to double check manual, at a glance, this

[glossy wave]

Can you explain how its done?

[hollow thorn]

How to check the manual...?

[glossy wave]

No reset cmos

With pins

[hollow thorn]

Hold something that can bridge the gap like a screwdriver or something dedicated to bridge the gap between the pins for ~30 seconds

[glossy wave]

Power off?

Do I need to power cycle woth pins on or off?

[hollow thorn]

Unplug the PC first

then bridge the pins

You can try to discharge any leftover charge by holding power while unplugged to help, but bridging the clear cmos pins for 30s should be good enough in general

[glossy wave]

I did that but didnt work..

I saw one or two videos stating jumping from one pin to two pins then powering the unit then removing the pins

[glossy wave]

So I pulled battery for 15 mins still nothing.

Thats what I pulled for battery

[vivid pewter]

That is interesting placement for the cmos battery on that mobo

Well if it did not reset even by removing the cmos battery then not sure what is happening

[hollow thorn]

that should've reset it, it's more likely that reset cmos was not the only thing necessary for whatever you were doing

[wind karma]

Ok so I’m stress/thermal testing a mini pc with a 35W TDP 2400GE

it doesn’t go past 35W but it was pegged there. I went to take off the top lid and accidentally pressed the sleep button

I woke it back up and it’s now at 37.5W?

~5C hotter as well so I don’t think it’s just a reporting bug

Oh now it’s back down to 35, huh

Alright no idea what was going on there but as I suspected, the case doesn’t have enough ventilation

Taking off the top drops temps under load from 76C with an annoyingly loud fan to 66C with a more bearable fan

[limpid warren]

supposedly there are (or are going to be?) AM5 boards with the option to disable the USB 4.0 controller so you can support two NVMes at gen 5

[sudden creek]

the board I mentioned is 2x 5.0x4 and 2x 4.0x4

[limpid warren]

damn that's fancy haha

[potent dew]

Worth getting a 7800X3D right now? My CPU struggles a bit in some games at 1440p. 7700X.

And then can I upgrade to it without reinstalling Windows, without losing performance?

[hollow thorn]

Same platform, shouldn't need to

[wind karma]

What games is the 7700x struggling with? x3d mostly helps for high fps esports etc afaik

[indigo steeple]

Hey, I'm putting together a 9800X3D + 5070 TI build. Planning to stream and do some video work, so I bought this gen 5x4 drive on a deal.

https://www.newegg.com/team-group-4tb/p/N82E16820985271?tpk=1&item=N82E16820985271

I'm looking at motherboards now with pcie 5 in the card & primary m.2 slot.

The gen 5 m.2 slot is usually above the primary graphics card slot. Question is, do y'all think that m.2 fan/radiator might interfere with the graphics card or the VRM heatsinks?

Idk how I could check for that without doing so physically.

I don't want to pick a MB without enough spacing.

[hollow thorn]

The VRM heatsink, no, the GPU, depends on the GPU

[hollow thorn]

The spacing between the CPU socket and the PCIe slot is generally standardized

It's going to depend on if your GPU has anything on the back side, most of the time it won't

The main thing with a SSD heatsink like that is going to be what your CPU cooler is going to be and if the motherboard has a plate that would usually go over the m.2 slot

[indigo steeple]

Got a 3 slot gpu. Snagged a PNY rtx 5070 ti oc triple fan for $680

[indigo steeple]

AIO cooler. Arctic liquid freezer III pro 420 argb

[potent dew]

Yeah, a core gets pinned in Fortnite at 1440p 180 FPS

[wind karma]

Yeah checks out

[potent dew]

I'm planning on upgrading when Zen 6 and RDNA 5 come out and my brother would get my current hardware, but

[potent dew]

He doesn't have a 1440p monitor, so he probably wouldn't have the same problem

[dim cloak]

Good snag

[shy wyvern]

7700X can really handle up to a 5080/9070XT at 1440P.

If you're looking for more and are in a good selling environment you can probably recoup around $180 used for your 7700X

[potent dew]

I have performance mode on because the game doesn't hold 180 FPS otherwise, but with performance mode a core gets pinned

No winning with UE5 slop

[shy wyvern]

You should be getting a lot more

Other benchmarks I'm seeing with a 7700x are about 250-400 fps in performance mode, and even though they're in 1080P, you should not be GPU bound at 1440P with performance mode

https://youtu.be/xk179yJiEe0?si=18K9Sul17hRMn-Zc

Average here is in the few hundreds

https://youtu.be/yed3VnEZBDU?si=1qLzovSh3ROFFDY4

Even people with way slower gpus are able to push a few hundred so idk

[indigo steeple]

Walmart.com has them on sale pretty often somehow

[potent dew]

I'm CPU bound

It does up to 240, but not stable

Maybe I need to switch to the old performance mode

[potent dew]

I wonder if they fixed it

or maybe reload just runs better

[graceful elm]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7YQ6HW
my buddy just got all the parts for this and built it. Keep getting a red VGA light no matter what we do. Even removed the GPU, 1 stick of ram, and hooked HDMI to motherboard. Im not finding much help online. Loosened the cpu cooler as suggested in this one thread and everything.

[graceful elm]

have tried reseating everything at this point

[hollow thorn]

tried flashing bios?

[graceful elm]

not yet, was actually just about to.

[hollow thorn]

always possible the bios is out of date

grab a usb drive, follow manual instructions, use the button near the bottom of the mobo

[graceful elm]

he doesnt have a flash drive

bruhhh

guess we gotta wait

what do you recommend if that doesnt work

[hollow thorn]

Clear cmos, use a different CPU or GPU

[graceful elm]

bios didnt help

sad

doing cmos now

no dice

[rich pumice]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9vfxFT/msi-spatium-m461-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-spatium-m461-2tb Hello guys! What would be the best replacement for this ssd since this one is currently out of stock and I don’t know when or if it will be back in stock.

[shy wyvern]

I am guessing this is bios, sometimes will through up VGA error for unsupported CPUs with igpus. Is the board updated with compatibility for 9000 series?

[graceful elm]

yeah i updated the bios. I had him take it to bestbuy geeksquad and they hooked the GPU back up. They got it to boot and told him the "GPU cable was loose" but like i said we reseated literally everything and tried using the integrated so idk what they are talking about. Also now even with the GPU hooked up and getting power (fans spin at first) it only actually boots if we have the hdmi hooked up to the integrated and not the gpu

having him take it back. the GPU was from bestbuy so if thats the problem they should be able to replace it

they convinced him to get a years worth of their subscription so i told him to make it worth it. ( we told him multiple times not to buy the subscription)

[shy wyvern]

I don't know what board you have, but some will let you turn off IGPU by default. If it doesn't post like that you can just reset CMOS to get default IGPU setting back

[plush dawn]

Does the B650E AORUS ELITE X AX ICE have good VRMs ? i'm busy rn so i can't check/read a reveiw

[oblique lichen]

you werent getting a display tho right?

[graceful elm]

Correct. He ended up having them replace the gpu since it was new and the new one is working

Weird that it wasnt working with integrated until he took it to bestbuy though

None of it really made much sense

[sudden creek]

Between this and MSI's B850M Power board they are seriously starting to up their game in both Small Form Factor and OC worlds for AM5.

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-mpg-x870i-edge-ti-evo-mini-itx-motherboard-for-am5-cpus-supports-ddr5-10000-oc-memory

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-X870I-EDGE-TI-EVO-WIFI

[sudden creek]

MSI B850I Edge Ti WiFi just hit market!
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-B850I-EDGE-TI-WIFI/Specification

[ripe tartan]

Single RGB port

Other than that, it looks great

It’s the first I line, right?

[sudden creek]

2nd, there is a B650I but it's RAM ratings are horrible.

[ripe tartan]

Ah

[sudden creek]

7600mhz vs 8200.

[ripe tartan]

I’ll never achieve 8200

[sudden creek]

What're you at currently and what board?

[azure echo]

My question is, how come so many connectors on the bottom of mobos are just different numbers of the same type of pin

Heehehehaw THE FIRST QUESTION

[misty belfry]

i'm on LGA 1200 and a friend is giving me an LGA 1700 board that supports my existing DDR4, but is extremely feature-filled and very nice. I am mostly concerned with gaming, so i'm trying to figure out if i want a 14400F or a 14600KF (I am aware of the microcode issues and I know also that keeping your BIOS up to date should resolve that. Since the motherboard is free and supports RAM i already have, i'm completely set in that decision due to how much money it will save building out a new PC. do the 4 extra E-cores really matter, or does getting the $50 cheaper CPU (without 4 of the E-cores) represent a better deal?

either way, i know even the 14400F should be a significant upgrade from my 11400

[ripe tartan]

Am4 and 3600

[scenic ice]

PC gamimg is becoming a major disapointment. There are fewer and fewer good reasons to upgrade when every company is following each other trends off a clif. What can save gaming?

[spice fog]

you dopn't have to upgrade, yk

iu plan to keep my setup mostly intact until 2035

[misty belfry]

upgrading constantly is a silly way to PC game - you shouldn't upgrade unless there is a specific thing you require it for

[obtuse moss]

If I put a thumbs up on a post, it means I've read the question.

[sudden creek]

Ahh nevermind then, best of luck!

[misty belfry]

i'm only upgrading because i've got most of the parts and i'm getting free stuff ^^

[obtuse moss]

People might ask questions here that don't pertain to CPU-Mobo-Memory for a few days b/c of the announcement~. Please leave them up for a few days and I'll work on an improvement for the next AMA.

[misty belfry]

eventually i need a new GPU because my GPU is pure garbage, but i

i'm worrying about that later

[sudden creek]

Go for the 14600KF for three reasons.

1. Better P-Cores (higher clocks).
2. The K means you can overclock it which is a nice feature to have available especially if you got a decent board.
3. Using a program like Process Lasso you can set the background apps to only use E-Cores freeing up extra headroom from the P-Cores for the games.

[misty belfry]

thanks. those are good reasons - I also don't care about overclocking but the turbo clocks on K series are really good compared to other ones

[sudden creek]

Also, depending on your budget I'd look at Newegg Refurbs as I can usually find a 13900K or sometimes a 14900K for ~300$

The refurbs are a safe option and have longer warranty.

I bought my 7950x as a refurb from Newegg. Functions perfectly, only thing was a very minor visual defect from the repair it underwent.

[misty belfry]

since amazon has a 14600KF for $199ish i'm likely to go for that due to budget

also, my main heavy CPU use is going to be mainly for gaming so i don't anticipate needing something like an i9

[scenic ice]

Its beyond that issue... Entertainment feels like its hitting a dead end. The creativity and imagination we once saw seems to only point to battle passes and dailies. Gameplay is stale and lean on unhealthy loops... The same thing is for hardware. Newegg is the middle man of these trends and i want to know if the see any hope in the future waters? Or will compaines keep picking low hanging fruits until the trees die...

I want to see the burning passion to create and innovate again! I am tired of just seeing compaines push out safe bets or only look at their competition when it comes to making something. I am dieing to jump into the future instead of just circling the past!

[misty belfry]

i mean, part of the reasons upgrades are kinda nonsense right now is like... a 6GB 3050 will push silent hill f at visuals comparable to the PS5 with absolutely no problem

and that's the lowest reasonable GPU

there are many older GPUs with sufficient memory and power that will run it too

upgrading seems to be only worthwhile if you 1) have a ton of disposable income, or 2) your games or powerful apps aren't running

i can't get SHf to run on my RX 6400, though i've seen youtube videos of the game running really no problem on low settings

[scenic ice]

You need to understand how that game is made... its mostly pre rendered and your computer just loads the pices in...

[misty belfry]

nah, it's not pre-rendered

i've seen the game running, most things are real-time

[scenic ice]

:(

[misty belfry]

the shaders are precompiled, yes

but that's not quite the same thing

[scenic ice]

Go eat a kids meal!

[misty belfry]

i'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say/do here but i'm just trying to converse about things and offer some other perspectives

[scenic ice]

Yeah but you dont even have a real perpective. Its built on youtube videos and what your friends say and think.

[misty belfry]

njah, it's not based on what friends say, i didn't give you a reason to think that

but seeing a youtube video of something running is a pretty reasonable reason to think that it runs

[obtuse moss]

Hi @scenic ice , I don't think that was nice or helpful or constructive. Please be mindful.

[misty belfry]

i'd like to confirm it on my own RX 6400 but unfortunately there are other issues i have that are preventing it from running

i don't know what those issues are, i need to figure them out

[spice fog]

yall this shouldn't even be a point of controversy, yt vids and articles from reputable creators are the way to build a perspective

[scenic ice]

Yeah! It wasnt! I am sorru but i cant deal with kids!

[misty belfry]

i won't tell you how old i am because it's funnier that way

[spice fog]

bro

half of us are legit old enough for social security

[misty belfry]

newegg is a much older community i think re: discord, and also I don't think that "the kids" are hard to deal with at all

like the gen Z people are all very kind from my experience

[scenic ice]

Your mind can still be a Child. when your body is old. Its about the life you have and had...

[spice fog]

why thank you lmao

[cold swift]

See, there’s that kindness!

[spice fog]

ey new guy here gets it

[cold swift]

How do we tag questions for the AMA?

[misty belfry]

i mean i've been using computers that should not ever run things as well as they do for decades. i've always been poor and that means that I use a lot of underpowered stuff. and i get by fine, i enjoy my games and my tech

[ripe tartan]

Tag @obtuse moss or just ask the question. He will read and put a thumb.

(David I suggest editing your announcement to say that too)

@scenic ice I suggest instead of “not being able to stand kids”, you listen to their perspective, as they might be more in tune than you think.

[spice fog]

i detect some text walls incoming

[ripe tartan]

This server is a safe place for all. No matter who you are, or how old you are.

[misty belfry]

a question I would like to ask: in getting a motherboard (for free) that is LGA1700 and supports only DDR4, am i hurting the CPU performance terribly by using DDR4-2400?

[cold swift]

@obtuse moss AMA Q: it seems like there’s at least some chance that ARM is going to supplant x86 at some point. Do you see any signs of the kinds of flexibility we have in desktop motherboards coming for ARM systems? It seems scary at the moment when ARM chips usually integrate huge amounts of the system onto one chip.

[misty belfry]

i wonder if that's a big bottleneck, or if it's not as much of a big deal. i can also get DDR4-4800 later and OC it to like 5033 or something.

[ripe tartan]

You may now resume your regularly scheduled AMA.

[cold swift]

Not the motherboards manager ofc, but I would say that very much depends on what you’re doing. If you’re using the IGPU, then yes, it’ll horribly bottleneck you. If you’re doing any memory bandwidth bound tasks like LLMs or things with large data sets where you’re not doing enormous amounts of processing (like say some video editing tasks) it’ll bottleneck you. For games and typical use cases… no, it won’t hamper you much

I’d certainly suggest the 4800 being a good idea, because 2400MT/s is very slow at this point, but it won’t be the single most important performance differentiator.

[sudden creek]

I know this feeling. Modded MC on a decade old MacBook Air with a 2c2t I5 and passive cooling and a mere 4GB of DDR3...

[sudden creek]

It will be a massive bottleneck for any program that needs fast access to a large amount of ram. Let's take something light like Minecraft or Marvel Rivals (both love fast ram), the difference between DDR5 at Jedec 4800 vs a very average 6000cl32 XMP profile nearly doubles the average FPS and drastically improve 1% lows.

That said if you play games that demand a lot of ram like Valheim and other small indie games it's not such a big deal.

[misty belfry]

thanks everyone, you've been super helpful

I do plan to eventually replace with the fastest DDR4 i can find, and then try to OC it

motherboard supports speeds over 5000

kind of seems like a really fast DDR4 isn't different from average DDR5 by much

provided latency isn't the main factor (since high clock DDR4 might have bad latency)

[sudden creek]

Not a big difference.

Keywords: average DDR5.

[misty belfry]

number go up, etc

[hollow thorn]

Tuned ddr4 4400 ish, whatever the highest your imc can do 1:1, is going to be equivalent to ddr5 5200 ish

[uncut wave]

@obtuse moss Here are my questions for the motherboard product manager:

Q1: Currently, Micro Center offers an in-store service called a POST Test for $39.99 where, if the customer buys a new CPU, motherboard, and RAM, a technician will install those things, verify it's able to POST, and load the latest BIOS. Would Newegg ever consider offering a service like this? Installing CPUs without bending any pins, and updating the BIOS to the latest version, are two of the pain points I hear from people often.

Q2: What is one of the motherboard technologies that was most interesting to you over the past few years? Think something like the Asus Q-latch or MSI's Project Zero.

Q3: Given Newegg already offers a configuration tool, can you speak to whether or not Newegg intends to train and implement an AI model to help customers choose the best motherboard for their build? I think it would be cool to have something like this with inputs for not only physical compatibility restraints (such as CPU and case) but also intended use case, taking into account the features the end user would utilize like Thunderbolt or 10Gb Ethernet.

Q4: What is the most common return reason for motherboards sold and shipped by Newegg, and what is Newegg doing to try and mitigate the return rate?

Q5: One of the most common reasons I see from people in forums, who shop at Amazon instead of Newegg, is the very-fast delivery time offered by Amazon. Do you think that Newegg might start offering Amazon fulfillment for some of its motherboards in order to try and reclaim some of the lost business? I know that Newegg already offers some vendor-direct fulfillment on certain brands, do you see that expanding in the future?

lmao hopefully the dude doesn't think I'm his boss undercover

lmao sorry just thought of this @obtuse moss

Q6: I've noticed that Micro Center bundles of CPUs and motherboards are sometimes offered on Amazon, which extends their availability greatly, and gives Amazon an opportunity for attach rate. Would Newegg consider partnering with Micro Electronics to start offering those bundles through Newegg.com as well?

[nimble cliff]

Is this something I can do? I'm not too familiar with m.2 slots

temped to get 4x 4TB SSD's if I can do this...

[hollow thorn]

Check your motherboard, generally you're going to be fine, but sometimes there are some lane sharing

[sudden creek]

Thoughts on this board? Rated for +8400mhz for 1dpc Sr and +6400mhz for 1dpc DR.

https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/B850-MLG-EDITION

[uncut wave]

You'll want to look in the motherboard manual and find out if installing an SSD in one of the slots might disable one of the PCIe slots or some of the SATA ports you might use. This is often how it works with consumer grade motherboards for sockets like AM4, AM5, LGA1700, LGA1851. It's usually not the case with workstation boards for HEDT sockets like AMD's sTR5 or Intel LGA2066.

[nimble cliff]

oh no... thanks for letting me know. I'll wait to buy a 2nd one until I can read the manual

[sudden creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK11SvkwU_A

[sudden creek]

Entertaining and cheap way to make a ram loop.

[simple forum]

@obtuse moss a lot of people say a motherboard is like the nervous system to a computer , connecting everything together. How important is it to have a good motherboard and what are some key things I should look for besides compatibility?

[left ridge]

@obtuse moss what factors should I consider when buying a MB for gaming versus productivity?

[formal patio]

@obtuse moss

Yo, I’ve been looking into getting into the DIY NAS Space because I have several blue rays I want too digitize. With that being said would you say that the Motherboard would still take up 10% of the budget build or would I lower/increase the percentage since drives take a good amount of it?

For reference im working with a 3K budget and the motherboard I was looking at was ~$400 but comes with ipmi potentially, dual 2.5G network, ecc capability and 8 SATA ports (ASUS Pro WS W680)

[spice fog]

@obtuse moss will CAMM2 ram actually materialize, and if so what will mobos start looking like? Also, is there a chance that that will allow for combined CPU/RAM loops to become a realistic choice for entry-level liquid cooling?

[obtuse moss]

He'll look into this one

[spice fog]

W

[obtuse moss]

Nice

[plush dawn]

What are the only SSDS you should buy ?

[obtuse moss]

I like Samsung, but I'll typically buy by price :3

[plush dawn]

is it okay to have a slow SSD running the OS and softwere like signel RGB

and the fast drive is all the games and stuff

[wind karma]

Other way around is best. OS and apps + a few games on faster ssd

For most games the difference between a decent SATA SSD and a top end NVMe isn't all that much

[plush dawn]

The difference is like 900 read speed

Between gen 4 nvmes

[plush dawn]

Turns out

I can shove a 2tb ssd and 1tb ssd together

And still fit my budget

Yippe

[plush dawn]

what CL36 Sub timing should i be looking for

[sudden creek]

AM5?

[plush dawn]

Yep

[sudden creek]

For frequency opt for 6000mhz, for CL I recommend looking for a cl28 or 30 kit (usually Hynix A die kits) at 1.35-1.4v range. For capacity unless you really need it buy a 2x16 or 2x24 kit.

[plush dawn]

Well

Subtimings are really important

Just a few days ago

Someone showed me the difference between CL36 and CL30

[sudden creek]

With a good RAM kit, if your CPU has a good memory controller you can run higher frequencies in 1:1 and Hynix A dies easily tune to 6600mhz and CL26. If not, since I recommend SR (2x16/2x24) not DR (2x32/2x48) you should be able to run 2:1 8000mhz with some work.

[plush dawn]

It was it the single digits

[sudden creek]

Samsung and Micron dies on DDR5 overclock/tune horribly in both cas and sub-timings that's why I am saying to get a 6000-cl28 kit as that's always Hynix A sometimes Hynix M die which you can tune to have very good Primaries, secondaries, and tertiary timings (all 3 categories).

[plush dawn]

Hynix doesn’t exist in Taiwan …..

I need a recommendation for a ram kit

[sudden creek]

You're telling me there aren't any 6000cl28 kits from G.Skill, Klevv (which sells kits specified with Hynix A at 6000cl30), Team group RAM kits with Hynix dies, or otherwise?

[plush dawn]

oh g. skill limme check

sorry

[sudden creek]

My bad I should have specified more.

Hynix A/M dies are the memory modules on the RAM. Most brands sell RAM with those modules for kits at 6000cl28@1.4v or tighter timings.

[plush dawn]

i see

alr limme check

specific models ?

[sudden creek]

Samsung and Micron dies simply do not compete with Hynix A/M on DDR5 that's why all the fast RAM kits use Hynix dies. It's like the Samsung B die of the DDR4 modules.

[sudden creek]

Anything rated for 6000cl28@1.4v or tighter is pretty much guaranteed Hynix A. Never have I seen anyone get any other module at timings that tight.

[plush dawn]

okay

thanks

i will go check

[sudden creek]

Hynix A is preferable over Hynix M for 2GB modules (2x16/2x32) as they put less stress on the memory controller and can run tighter tRFC.

[plush dawn]

wait um question

[sudden creek]

@plush dawn one more thing. AVOID CORSAIR RAM.

[plush dawn]

Klevv bolt V ?

is that oaky

[sudden creek]

Yeah they usually have kits that they say are specifically using Hynix A.

[plush dawn]

ye i know i just was looking at it and acedintally added them

[sudden creek]

Gotcha. To be clear the reason is that Corsair usually uses low quality PCBs resulting in failing XMP ratings and they use a locked PMIC meaning you can't adjust the voltages on their kits.

Here is my RAM tune on my 9950x3D. DR Hynix A.

[plush dawn]

I see thanks for the ram knowlage btw

never knew how to tell RAM quality diffrence

[sudden creek]

Happy to help.

[plush dawn]

wait

to double check

the KLEVV CRASH is fine right ?

i assume if the lower model is high quailty then same applys to the higher end ?

CRAS V to be specific

because that's the only ram that's not spiking

[sudden creek]

To my knowledge Klevv RAM kits are fine, just make sure the speed ratings are right and ideally avoid kits with ARGB as that adds a lot of heat to cool off for RAM tuning.

[sudden creek]

Spiking?

[plush dawn]

price

[sudden creek]

Gotcha. If it's 6000cl28@1.4v or better then go for it.

What capacity?

[plush dawn]

16X2 CL30 6000

[sudden creek]

Does it specify Hynix?

[plush dawn]

it has RGB though...

[plush dawn]

nope

[sudden creek]

Not ideal but tolerable.

[plush dawn]

i don't think so

[sudden creek]

Very likely Hynix but not guaranteed.

[plush dawn]

https://www.klevv.com/ken/products_details/memory/Klevv_CrasVRGB

the specs are here

there is a KLEVV one that HAS Hynix

put the price is going uo

[sudden creek]

Are you buying through Amazon?

[plush dawn]

and up

[plush dawn]

nope

there's a website

which has the market price

and we track our prices there

it's the biggest chain in taiwan

and is the go to place for PC parts basicslly

it's here if your wondering

https://www.coolpc.com.tw/evaluate.php

and

i just

[sudden creek]

The kit you were looking at were you looking at the cl30-36-36-76@1.35v?

[plush dawn]

go there physically

[plush dawn]

limme check

[sudden creek]

Because that's very likely Hynix.

[plush dawn]

CL30-36-36-76 and a.35V

OH YAY

yippe

sweet

thanks

[sudden creek]

Yep I'd be damned if that's not Hynix.

[plush dawn]

aight i gottha sleep now

[sudden creek]

When the time comes feel free to ask for help on tuning timings in #overclocking

[dusky pike]

Anyone recommend me a board? I currently have a 5 year old gigabyte b450m ds3h WiFi. It sometimes does not detect my m.2 slot in rare occasions but since my os is on it it shuts the whole pc

I have Ryzen 7 5800x, rx 7900 xt, 32gb dual channel ram, 2tb hdd, 256gb m.2 ssd, and an external drive

[sudden creek]

What do you need from the board?

1. WiFi yes/no?
2. How many NVMe slots
3. At least x-amount of USBs A or C ports
4. Do you want to overclock yes/no?

[dusky pike]

Yes WiFi and Ethernet, 2 min, 4 usb a min and 2 usb c min , probably not idk how to

@sudden creek

[dusky pike]

My external drive is a m.2 ssd as well

[dusky pike]

I also have a lian li lancool 207 tower

[sudden creek]

@dusky pike are you in the US and what is your budget?

[sudden creek]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B089FWWN62?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1
$180 it's a compact ITX board (will fit any size case as a bonus) with:

• Good VRMs
• Good 2dimm design
• 5 USB A and 1 USB C
• Two M.2 Slots
• Wifi & Ethernet

[dusky pike]

Yea I’m in the us

[dusky pike]

Do I need to flash bios first this one?

[sudden creek]

You shouldn't but if you do, all you need is a USB thumb drive.

[dusky pike]

I’ll keep this one in mind in case it goes on sale again, do u have more suggestions like cheaper options

[sudden creek]

if your willing to give up native USB C ports then yeah there are cheaper options in the $130ish range.

i am gonna go to bed, I will send options when I wake up.

[misty belfry]

https://www.newegg.com/p/0RN-00A3-00199 does anyone know if it's typical for DDR4-3600 like this with a low voltage would give much opportunity to OC + overvolt a little + loosen timings for stability?

or, maybe XMP will have other options

apparently i am full of bollocks

i have a set of corsair vengeance LPX @ DDR4-3600 installed, my system is just an extremely dumb HP and will not even accept XMP profiles

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-vengeance-lpx-32gb-ddr4-3600-cas-latency-cl18-desktop-memory-black/p/N82E16820236596 my exact RAM, actually

i do not want to do any kind of upgrade at this point, except later to add another 32 of this

DDR4 is still in demand so it'll keep in stock i'm sure

most people don't have Ryzen 7000 and higher or core ultra

(and i realize LGA 1700 does come in DDR5, i was just commenting on the fact that people I know often chose a DDR4 board because they were too invested)

"i've got like 32GB of RAM here"

[hollow thorn]

3600c18 like that is mystery meat that could be a lot of different dies, Corsair uses rev codes for what die it is

Just be careful to check both sticks and make sure they're the same die before acting on it

[misty belfry]

sounds good

i did get them as a package

so it's very weird to think they'd be of different dies

i'm going to take them out and take a little photo so i have it

[hollow thorn]

8.36 would be mystery nanya nand, no idea how it behaves

[misty belfry]

Ahh

[misty belfry]

lmfao only a single stick will POST now

i have taken all precautions

RIP second stick of corsair vengeance LPX

that's the RAM i always buy

and have for ages

[ripe tartan]

They’re not great

[sudden creek]

$1,000 is way to much and at that point it's cheaper to get two 9800x3D used or refurb.

The target market is mostly server or heavy workstation users since no games benefit from two v-cache ccds.

[uncut wave]

I guess, but you can't install two 9800X3D chips in one system lol

I think 799 makes sense, but who knows

[solar cedar]

is it just me or are laptop cpu names very confusing to follow

[hollow thorn]

Often on purpose to confuse you to buy into chips that perform worse than the name suggests

[solar cedar]

I think I had a stroke when I read what Ryzen 200 series cpus are equivalent to

[trail gorge]

fr

[solar cedar]

like I need a good laptop cpu for video editing in after effects and I really dont want to have to buy a mac

[cursive epoch]

ryzen 200 series is zen 4

so it's not the latest one

[misty belfry]

binning seems to be very real for this vengeance LPX stuff

voltage and timings go up, speed go up

i'm looking for a single stick to replace my failed 3600MT/s stick

i know just grabbing whatever DDR4-3600 is likely not wise unless i'm outright replacing it

is it wise/safe to buy 16GB of 2666 and just replace the settings directly with what's used on the 3600 stick i have? or am I going to need to downclock my other RAM in order to meet the requirements?

the one i'm looking at is vengeance LPX

important: it'll be for a ryzen system, infinity fabric and all that

[meager elbow]

That's because corsair is known to use like d tier bins on ddr4

[misty belfry]

yeah, i bought this years ago before i knew any of that. it's been reliable until it wasn't

i'm one of those people who can tell you stuff about hardware but when it comes to consumer PC upgrades i am woefully uninformed

[meager elbow]

I think it would be best to match ram chips at least

[misty belfry]

dunno what the chips are, you actually cannot take off the heat spreader by normal means

it seems to be stuck very hard on the stick

[meager elbow]

Idk if you'll be able to find out with cheap kits though without actually just having them

[misty belfry]

oh, the answer is to have them? thanks, i'll try that

[meager elbow]

Tbh with ram it's a gamble whether mixing will work or not anyways

[misty belfry]

i have been seeing a lot of RGB nonsense and i dunno which brands are remotely decent, but i think RGB is kind of worthless and i don't want to pay for it

[meager elbow]

There's no guarantee that another vengeance stick would work perfectly fine

[misty belfry]

i do understand that

but the heat spreader doesn't come off with screws

it's glued on

[meager elbow]

How much more is a matched kit

[misty belfry]

$140 at least more

[meager elbow]

Huh

64gb?

[misty belfry]

a corsair vengeance LPX in DDR4-2666 seems to be like 20 bucks

16GB modules

i had 32GB

one petered out

[meager elbow]

Hmm

Are you looking at used kits?

[misty belfry]

yes, for the moment

[meager elbow]

Damn

[misty belfry]

but the $160 or whatever was a new kit

i've checked newegg

and amazon

[meager elbow]

140 for a used 32gb ddr4 kit seems a bit high

Assuming you're talking in USD

[misty belfry]

tons of the DDR4 at really abysmal performance levels (2133-2666) is very cheap

yeah, USD

i forget about loonies and dollarydoos sometimes

i dunno what the funny name for NZD is

but i know NZD is a pretty different currency, as is AUD

[meager elbow]

New Zealand dollar?

[misty belfry]

CAD is closer to the USD because of proximity

but even that'll change

because economics

[meager elbow]

Actually cad is probably closest to AUD in terms of value? At least last I checked

[misty belfry]

oh?

it's been going down i guess

money is hella weird, i don't want to think about it too much

[meager elbow]

It's been like that for years

I just checked and 1 cad is 1.09 aud

[misty belfry]

our economy here in the US will tank because AI bubble. i'm waiting for the moment

[meager elbow]

It'll probably tank for multiple reasons

[misty belfry]

well yes

but some of those reasons are prohibited topics here

[meager elbow]

True

[misty belfry]

so i will not say anything about any of that

it's an exhausting topic atm i thinik. i think everyone is tired. not tired of anything specific but just tired.

i'm gonna try to find some RAM for a good deal because i want to have a speedy system

[meager elbow]

I'd say maybe see if there's any cheap single sticks on eBay that can be returned maybe... Though return shipping probably won't be worth it

[misty belfry]

the thing that gets me with the RAM is because it's dual channel, you literally are not able to get a single stick for when one fails

it's like "lol throw the whole kit away"

[meager elbow]

I've personally had decent experience with mixing kits though in my experience, you can be lucky and be running at the slower stick's speed and be stable

[misty belfry]

this is DEFINITELY not under warranty

i don't want to get a slower stick though

i want my 3600 for the new system, because ryzen

ryzen is notoriously more reliant on RAM speeds

[meager elbow]

Or be unlucky and not get one that is stable at any speed

[misty belfry]

it's because AMD designed that into it

the infinity fabric thing depending to an extent on the RAM speed

and thus, the CPU performance itself being slightly hampered by your RAM

i am tempted to just buy a 64GB kit with fast speed

because, why not trick out my old ass hardware

makes me happy

truth of the matter is, my windows key is tied to my bloody motherboard so i need to hit groupon or something for that too

since i'll be upgrading a bit

a friend is sending me an LGA1700 board, potentially, so i buy a 14th gen CPU, or i could get another LGA1200 board for my current CPU, and keep RAM, or go ryzen AM4 and keep RAM

ryzen AM4 is actually a much more performant choice in the "keep RAM" strategy

and bonus, it's liek the same cost as a good LGA1200 board

because last gen AMD is cheap

[meager elbow]

you dont need to worry about that

[misty belfry]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/365948281260 but like, if this is the same as my current RAM physical hardware-wise? I can take it from 2666 @ 16-18-18-35 to 3600 @ 18-22-22-42

[misty belfry]

"i don't have a product key" upgrades to win11, which is free anyway

[meager elbow]

lmao

[misty belfry]

well, it's free for windows 10 people. which is everyone

[meager elbow]

i would recommend using windows 11 enterprise ltsc

[misty belfry]

ltsc?

[meager elbow]

over base win11

[misty belfry]

long term support... something

[meager elbow]

long term service channel

[misty belfry]

oh

i was close.

[meager elbow]

but yeah less bloat and spyware

[misty belfry]

i mean

i run the ameliorated script on all my windows anyway - you need to provide an admin password to do anything once that's installed

and stuff like malware generally can't get past just always requiring a damn password, unless that malware is a keylogger that can work without elevated privileges

[meager elbow]

i meant less built in spyware, i suppose a script could work but the ltsc by default doesnt really have much since it's meant for companies

[misty belfry]

the scripts it uses are human readable

so AME is fairly reasonable long as you can computer enough to read the script

i like the way it always asks me to login, though i set the time before it asks for that after i walk away to be a bit higher

i live with people i trust

[meager elbow]

my pc is only locked after a restart lmfao

only my laptop gets locked after like 2 mins but it has windows hello

i'm actually just remoted into my desktop rn from a school computer

[misty belfry]

windows hello is such a cool feature and people are like "but it's insecure"

[meager elbow]

it's... probably not the most secure but like

so much more convenient

i dont even use bitlocker anyways so it's not like im that concerned about my files

[midnight pollen]

Personally I prefer fingerprint readers but it can be convenient

[meager elbow]

Windows hello is pretty much any login method asides from the password

Windows classifieds pins as windows hello

As well as fingerprint and facial recognition

[plush dawn]

white mobo that has PCIE express 5 and 4 under 240 USD ?

I'm between

B850 aourus stealth ice

and

a not backconnecter

mobo

with cable extinctions

[sudden creek]

PCIe 5.0x4 or?

[plush dawn]

like the pcie for gpus

so

yeah ? i guess

[sudden creek]

So 5.0x16. Why are you looking for 5.0x16?

RTX 5000 series gpus although compatible with PCIe 5.0, don't fully saturate it. The only benefit to my understanding is it's ability to handle data transfers when the gpu runs out of vram.

[plush dawn]

i see i see

then um

just

a white

mobo

under 240

cause i'm not even using rtx 5000 seris

I'm going to get a 7900GRE or B770 (if that happens)

[sudden creek]

gotcha. Are you in the United States and are you fine with Refurbs (has warranty and verified to work fine)

Also, what is your current CPU and are you interested in ram overclocking?

How many nvme ssd slots and do you want wifi?

[plush dawn]

Nope Taiwan

[plush dawn]

i alr have the 7700

and ye overclocking

[plush dawn]

No wifi but 2+SSDs

[plush dawn]

small chance i can get the 7800X3D

[plush dawn]

so i landed on X870 steel legend cause i'm not gonna get X3D anytime soon and it's rlly well priced here in taiwan

so yeah

sorry lmao

[sudden creek]

Don't worry, there is absolutely no need to apologize.

[kindred bear]

is the 9850X3D actually going to happen

[sudden creek]

No official confirmation for a release. Only rumors and official mention of a test sample.

[plush dawn]

The Concept is gonna prob happen but the specfic name is diffrent which is what you said....

oh

lmao

[plush dawn]

7950X and 7900X or 9900X and 9950X wha't the diffrence with the 50

[cursive epoch]

50 is more cores

instead of 12 cores on x900X skus, there are 16 cores on x950X skus

[misty belfry]

#cpus-mobo-and-memory will hate mrte, i kept my LGA1200 system and i'm transplanting it into some new parts, so it's ready for a GPU next time

[plush dawn]

THERE'S A 9500F ?!??!!??!!?!?

https://www.coolpc.com.tw/tw/shop/cpu/ryzen-9500f/

[misty belfry]

what's an F-series Ryzen? is that lower power consumption or something?

i'm a fan of low power consumption CPUs

long as they handle gaming/some virtual machine workloads

[plush dawn]

ni igpu

[misty belfry]

oh

I thought Ryzens didn't have one by default\

[plush dawn]

yeah

every cpu has it

just that

[misty belfry]

interesting

[plush dawn]

F's

don't have them

both for intel and amd

also

7500F is the same speed as 7600

lmao

[misty belfry]

i've heard AMD's integrated GPUs are the best in the business but like also, VRAM is faster

and yeah, 7000 series are kinda sleepers ATM because the value is really good

the prices are significantly lower than 9000 at this point and real-world metrics put them fairly matched with 9000

[plush dawn]

Intel has better igpu for editing

AMD has better Igpu for games

espicalyy 8000 seris

they can be used for dual gpu builds actally

[wind karma]

Ryzen 7000 and 9000 (AM5) do, unless it's xxxxF. Earlier ones don't unless it's a xxxxG model

[misty belfry]

thanks for clearing that up! it's all very fascinating

i decided to keep with LGA1200/i5 11400 because my understanding was basically that compared to 1x400 chips in recent generations are not big enough upgrades to just buy everything new

the 14400 and Core Ultra are significant upgrades, but that cheap board i was getting was a 600 chipset and wasn't really able to support that without a BIOS upgrade potentially

I also don't like wasting good hardware whenever possible, so finding an LGA1200 motherboard kept stuff cheaper and avoids the large amount of e-waste

in the end, it's better than an HP shitbox

and the remnants of the shitbox can be recycled properly

(i should sell the board and power supply to ensure that people who need them, get them

[lyric turret]

i have a9800x3d, do i enable all of my cores for gaming? likeis there anything i should turn on with this cpu in bios? likethe turbo settings

[sudden creek]

PBO, Motherboard Limits.

[lyric turret]

so dont turn iton?

[sudden creek]

Turn on.

Those will tell the CPU to try and boost to its max clock in both ST and MT as much as possible based on available headroom.

[plush dawn]

outside of overclocking

what's the diffrence between K and non k

[sudden creek]

Higher boost clock and power draw that's it.

[dim cloak]

Sometimes better support with higher speed memory (more silicon lottery based)

[jaunty island]

Hey i got a question if i can still run my i9-14900kf with 4 case fans and fans that come with my 360mm aio cooler

cuz i be getting Temp spikes

Idk if its faulty Psu

more Case fans needed

or Reapply thermal paste

cuz i freeze a lot during games.

[sudden creek]

How severe are these temperature spikes?

Do your games freeze when the is spiking temperature wise?

[hollow thorn]

When was the last time you updated your bios? There have been a lot of microcode fixes since 14th gen launch

[olive drift]

How does the f panel work because clearly it doesn’t work like the multiple use ones?

[hollow thorn]

What's the context?

Are you talking about case front panel connectors that are in a singular block versus the older ones that have separate connectors for each little thing?

[olive drift]

Yeah

[hollow thorn]

Double check the Mobo manual, it's usually just the left side of the front panel cluster of pins that you need for the power button and the LEDs, and you should double check the case manual too

[olive drift]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lego-movie-lord-business-what-a-bunch-of-hippie-dippie-baloney-bunch-of-baloney-president-business-gif-22326385

This nerd computer stuff is exhausting lol

[hollow thorn]

Sticking things where it fits gets you most of the way there, and checking the manual gets you the rest of the way there

[olive drift]

It deadass just won’t go in lmfao

Everything is aligned as well it just rejecting it

This thick ass block is the worst creation so far

Is there any vids on the block?

[olive drift]

So I’m dumb😔

[jaunty island]

yes

it jumps up to 97 degrees then goes back down

Its whenver i play games

it freezes

i thought it was the graphics

and lowered it down

and still had the same problem on low settings

[ripe tartan]

Are you running the game off your iGPU? Or your gpu? @jaunty island

[crisp karma]

I got played 😭

[sudden creek]

?

[crisp karma]

looks more white in the stock pics

irl its grey

[sudden creek]

Oh gotcha.

[wind karma]

Not just the grey tinted antistatic bag?

[plush dawn]

it's in the plastic bag bro

that bag

is like

violet

💀

[crisp karma]

the bag must be super tinted then cause it really looks like the board is just different

ill take it out sometime tmr

[plush dawn]

B650E Aorus elite ice or X870 steel legend
i'm gonna oc the 7700
and
their both the same price

[misty belfry]

so fun fact

apparently going from DDR4-2133 18-28-28-42 to DDR4-3200 at 14-24-24-38 resulted in most games speeding along in a way they had never done before

i can't wait to see how it performs with a mid level 8GB GPU

[misty belfry]

oh also i had to replace my recent motherboard due to bent pins :dead:

[sudden creek]

Steel Legend, ASRock uses better PCBs.

If you can find the B650E Taichi at the same or cheaper price I'd recommend that instead.

[misty belfry]

X870 vs B650 - isn't that a whole different socket?

[wind karma]

Same socket (AM5), different chipset

[misty belfry]

ASSY IN CHINA

[plush dawn]

Discontinued In Taiwan I think

I’ll have to check

I might be insane

yeah it's discontiuned

how bout

Asrock X870 Pro RS

damn

X870 Steel legend or X870 Pro RS

i can't tell the diffrence lmao

[misty belfry]

might be cosmetic

ASRock has many variants

[misty belfry]

it's really wild how many of the first-gen ryzen motherboards support somethingr like a 5700X3D right out of the box

well, BIOS update required

close enough

[crisp karma]

Yall were right that was some dark plastic 😭

shi is clean tho

[misty belfry]

that board is so pretty

i love the design

[crisp karma]

same very sleek

[misty belfry]

currently running with an ASUS "business board" ( green PCB, Q570 chipset) because it was cheap and supports all kinds of typicvally enthusiast features... and actually has rather nice realtek audioi, little holes for me to put antenna mounts for an M.2 wireless adapter

otherr stuff that made it stand above the typical B560 boards. I don't want to abandon LGA1200 right away, getting new hardware is expensive and someone who is poor like me, i'll do well sticking with what i've had

[wind karma]

I also had an Asus CSM board for a while lol. Main downside was it didn't support PBO curve tuning, so I couldn't undervolt (nice for squeezing out a bit more perf from the 5700x3d)

[crisp karma]

Ah I see, I feel you. I was on A620 board but I wanted better features & more “future proof” so I went and got that board. No complaints so far.

[vernal holly]

looking to get a new mobo and cpu, its just not really cutting it anymore especially the cpu I built this pc in mid 2021 or so I have a i3-12100f and h610m mobo and upgraded my gpu last year to a 3070

is there a good combo or something I can buy for less than 400?

[wind karma]

Probably stick with current motherboard and get a 12400 or 12600

4 cores on the 12100 is probably holding it back

[vernal holly]

even though its a cheap 100$ board?

[wind karma]

It's likely fine for a 12400/600

[vernal holly]

the 12600k is on sale for 184 from 300 right now 🎉

[wind karma]

Might look and see if any are available used

Oh you can get it for $130, that's a bit better
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pQNxFT/intel-core-i5-12400f-25-ghz-6-core-processor-bx8071512400f

[vernal holly]

thats a 12400 is it worth spending the extra 50 for the 12600

https://www.ebay.com/itm/186276583053?_skw=core+i5+12600k&epid=13051112830&itmmeta=01K9K6D6PDJVBZFGD6Y4X4Z16Q&hash=item2b5ef3168d:g:qbcAAOSw9wxluHz~&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA8FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1ejv5LPvowOj8obqti07m7bs1NTq8SklhsdCLxx6N24J0jO0rKQcIqWnTdunqdMAj4WcDXj7ZdGt3PLqr0YFjnsO8Mfr1RBaFpsLkdVQ04W7os7a86E%2BdaTpcNjmUaZVJ5Gr8G4vFtgjwCiyv%2FWJuWQyyGvNNfjFUutGpJSOlGTB3vMayr87tdjio4hQsw3d6vBPQW5sfZaLPwSaCbgL2XUMzHw4MMiHym7TyKe9cQSDSCUgU8YgX6HEyCmgRdKS4pc%2BVet8e8zXelAZEzN3FtHZDgm4N%2FGITwy6TUJYpUljA%3D%3D|tkp%3ABFBMruu05sxm here is one for 165

[wind karma]

Probably not

[vernal holly]

the 12600k has the potential to be overclockd tho, on the other hand theres a 12400f for 116

[vernal holly]

Anyone have any input on which one is worht it

[wind karma]

I would say if you plan on keeping the 3070 for a while, grab a 12400f. If you forsee a gpu upgrade in the near future, upgrading motherboard and CPU to Ryzen am5 might be worth it

DDR5 pricing is pretty bad rn though

[sudden creek]

12400f as a cheap solution, 12600kf if you want to try overclocking and don't mind the extra cost.

Note, your gains from OC vary from none to solid 10% or so based on silicon quality and cooling.

Because of this, buying stuff for overclocking is always a bit of a gamble.

[wind karma]

By the time you're getting the 12600 I think a 7600/7700 and move to AM5 is probably best

[misty belfry]

7600X is a cheap banger

seems sometimes faster than the 9600X

at least, in benchmarking stuff

[sudden creek]

That's because those are overclocked and most OCs on AM5 for Zen5 are for the 9950x/9950x3D as people have lost interest in benching the low tier models.

[plush dawn]

ROG STRIX B850-A
gaming wifi
or
B850 Aorus elite ice

It's for 9800X3D

i don't really want to risk the chip burning

actally

no

[sudden creek]

Burning chips are due to insufficient cooling and high voltages.

[sudden creek]

Either works they both perform about the same.

[wind karma]

They’re likely referring to the fact that some motherboards were frying 9000 series chips

I believe those BIOS's are fixed by now?

[sudden creek]

Fixed long ago.

Was happening on Asrock, Gigabyte, and some Asus boards.

Causes were as stated above.

[misty belfry]

eh, for people playing games, 7600X/9600X are perfectly fine

[sudden creek]

Yes.

Even a 8500G is fine.

[misty belfry]

i've got an 11400 and i'm pretty much ready to go with a new GPU at this point

games are often pretty CPU-agnostic as long as it's moderately modern

i want a K/KF series sometime because it allows faster RAM usage

[sudden creek]

This explains why that cooler works.

[wind karma]

Weelllllll....

8000 series CPUs have cut down cache that hurts them

[misty belfry]

it's rated for 130W, i assume it will meet that rating, Tt has been a fairly trustworthy brand in my like 25+ years of experience working with PCs

[misty belfry]

edit: i stand corrected, looks like i'll want an NH-U12 (after doing a bunch of research)

i really like Noctua, i've used the NH-U12 many years ago for an FX-8350

[misty belfry]

needs to be said that the best gaming Ryzen chips (7800X3D/9800X3D) are that powerful because they have a shit-ton of cache

[wind karma]

Yes. Cache is pretty impactful on gaming perf

[misty belfry]

it kind of makes me sad to see intel's cache sizes just sort of being universally small - not sure if increasing it will actually improve it

it's also notable that the X3D series are really expensive

lol

fun fact: I did not do a whole system upgrade because i cannot afford to spend like $400 on DDR5

i'm sitting with what i have and pushing it forward much as is reasonable

prob just get an i5-11600KF

[misty belfry]

the 11600KF is like $100ish on ebay, whereas the 11700KF is $150ish

it's not a 50% performance difference, even if you're being really generous and assuming that 30% more cores would = 1:1 50% more performance

[wind karma]

Dunno if that's even worth it from an 11400

[misty belfry]

it's a 2.6 base/3.6 boost

to a 3.9 base and 4.9 boost

that is a very large clock increase

i mean, is there some reason to buy an i7-11700KF over the 11600KF?

[wind karma]

Clock speeds don't necessarily translate straight to performance though. (from a very brief search) I'm only seeing 5-10% better gaming perf

Oh wait that might be base 11600

[misty belfry]

we're talking about a difference of more than 30%

in clokc speed

[wind karma]

Yeah KF is a decent bit faster

[misty belfry]

in theory, it's supposed to be at least like a 10-20% increase, at least i'd think

[wind karma]

What gpu do you have (are you cpu bound?)

[misty belfry]

the GPU i plan to buy next is an RX 6600 XT - it's a decent 8GB card and I can afford it

the key point here is that i can afford it

[wind karma]

Yeah I mean for (budget) 1080p thats a solid card

[misty belfry]

i mean

you run stuff at 2560x1440 and allow it to downscale the internal rendering resolution

you just use VFR or whatever on AMD

[wind karma]

1440p might be iffy, especially with the 8gb vram

[misty belfry]

er no

oh, what i'm trying to tell you is that the internal rendering resolution can go up or down with FSR

even if the actual display is 2560x1440

it just upscales

in a lot of cases that provides a pretty nice result