cpus-mobo-and-memory

[meager elbow]

lga 1700 supports 12th, 13th, and 14th gen
i'm not sure if upgrading to even 14th gen would be worth it though...
like, the 14700k, which would probably be the most reasonable cpu to upgrade to is around 30% better than your current cpu in multicore, and around 8% better in singlethreaded
and the best cpu on the lineup on your platform is the 14900ks is only 40% better multi, and 15% better single thread

you're better off sticking with your current cpu and switching to am5 later

[delicate iris]

Yeah it might be for the best since my mobo still only supports DDR4 as well. Might be due for a total overhaul.

[golden pike]

Sorry bro- i forgot i asked this already. Thank you v much. When i get mine ill prob have to come in here and bother you guys 😭

[grizzled bloom]

CPU-Z mainboard tab

Odds are that unless you're suffering actual performance issues then you don't have a problem. If you really wanted to upgrade, you could get a 2x24GB kit and sell your 32GB kit. Don't mix memory, don't use 4 sticks on DDR5 at all if you can avoid it because that will introduce a massive speed limit. 64GB is the point where you start trading speed for capacity, 48GB suffers no such issue.

[grizzled bloom]

I welcome the opportunity to aid in the overclocking of a new CPU, it'll be fun to figure out the quirks

[golden pike]

Awesome brother im very excited to upgrade. Is my first time in a while skipping a generation, so need a the new mobo and ram too. Goal is to not sacrifice anything, but i think it will be forced to in terms of ram so gotta study :)) (running 128 rn)

Ty for always being around

Youve made my life much easier in the last few years lol

[grizzled bloom]

128GB still isn't possible with 2 sticks on consumer boards so 96GB is the most you can do without sacrificing speed. How much of that are you actually using?

It's a pretty steep speed penalty too, you can do 6400 on 96GB but 128GB you'd probably be limited to 4800

[dull flint]

It basically wipes the benefit of ddr5 completely

Give or take

[golden pike]

I do a lot of heavy video rendering and editing as i run a production company, but a massjve use is running a very large amounts of intesnive chrome tabs.

But truth betold i have no idea if going frim 128 -> 96 would actually cause much of a difference, with such a large speed increase from 3600 to 6400

My latency is 16 , running 128 of 3600

So idk how the teck works exactly, but im thinking the massive speed increase will create a bigger improvement in performance than the drawback from 30 gb less

Guess thats where im majorly stuck

[grizzled bloom]

Next time you do one of those heavy workloads watch your usage in hwinfo sensors. Physical RAM usage.

If you hit 100GB then you won't feel the difference, windows will just cache things that aren't being actively used.

But if you hit 120GB that could be an issue

[golden pike]

For sure. I will hit some tests this upcoming week and let you know what ends up happening. :) i believe the 9950x3d isnt till march right? So no rush will have time to figure stuff out, im just trying to figure it out in advance , so if i decide im definitely going for it i can position myself to actually buy one

Feel like it will be highly annoying to grab one, but a 5090 will prob be the hardest 😭

[grizzled bloom]

5090 will be near impossible without paying either a bot service or a scalper

Stock levels are extremely low

[golden pike]

Do u think i can sleep outside a microcenter for a few days and get an astral

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe newegg admins will give us a heads up an hour or two before new stock goes live like with the 9800X3D

MC is a good bet, they at least check ID and stuff so they can do one per household limits properly

Figure out when your local store stocks up and you should only need one night of camping

[golden pike]

Yeah ill definitely be hitting them up

Doesnt help its been like in the negatives on the east coast

[grizzled bloom]

Meanwhile on the west coast we seem to be in a drought

It's been a month since it rained and no sign of any soon

Some counties in CA have had zero rain since June

[golden pike]

Horrible

Few friends of friends lost homes

Tragic stuff:(

Bitwit’s video broke my heart

[grizzled bloom]

Right, if we ever needed rain it's now

[golden pike]

Weird weather phenomena lately

It was 80 degrees in november here in NJ

Now single digits and most snowfall weve seen in years

Then insane winds in cali, many inches of snow in florida and even some in houston

Lol

The 5090 release outta warm up the east coast

🤣

[grizzled bloom]

100mph gusts, insane

[golden pike]

Wtf 100

Jesus

Scary

Oh also i saw this weird mobo releasing

Some new high end rog that only has 2 ram slots

Think this will become common? Never saw it before

[dull flint]

Been around for ages mate

I myself currently own 3

[hollow thorn]

Very common on ITX boards

[dull flint]

If you want fast af ram, those are the good boards

[grizzled bloom]

2 slot boards are proven to be capable of reaching higher clock speeds. The reason being the empty slots can act as antennas that interfere with the occupied slots at extremely high speeds.

[golden pike]

Ive been oblivious

Old gens were they common?

[dull flint]

Not common but not rare

Usually for overclocking, the larger ones

[golden pike]

I seeeee

Maybe ill do that then

If gonna overclock a bit

What im wondering is why you have 3 mobos

[grizzled bloom]

Overclocker life

[limber dragon]

being in San Diego, there's currently a 6k acre fire at the US/Mex border, and its "supposed" to rain this weekend

[grizzled bloom]

This weekend as in today or tomorrow?

[limber dragon]

today+tomorrow+monday is the forecast

[grizzled bloom]

Good, hope that cools things off down there

[limber dragon]

its cold, its just crazy windy, so any little thing spreads

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe not a downpour but a steady enough shower

After a major incident like this you need to worry about floods in weird places

And I didn't mean "cools things off" like the weather, I mean "cools things off that are currently burning hot"

[manic drum]

I changed my 2x8 gb crucial ballistic ddr4 3600 too 2x16 go corsair vengeance rgb pro sl 3600 ddr4 and now my pc won’t show anything when powered on just a black screen.I got a msi b550 a pro mobo. i’ve put one in every single slot still don’t work but my pc work with the old ram. i checked my cpu and gpu both good

any fixes?

[hollow thorn]

Are you trying to run them both together?

[manic drum]

I first ran them a2 b2 then I was getting black screen, so I tried each slot with just one ram then tried my old ram and it booted up with f1 to set up or f2 something

i check compatibility it says everything is

[hollow thorn]

Corsair ddr4 is pretty notorious for being unstable, keep that in mind

I would blame the ram first and try to return it for a different kit if possible

[manic drum]

any recommendations?

other then corsair ?

[hollow thorn]

All the prices are kinda wack since most manufacturers forsake ddr4 for ddr5, just get whatever is at a reasonable price that's not Corsair

[manic drum]

alright thank you

[grizzled bloom]

While I agree that corsair memory should be avoided at all costs, there's a couple things you can do to try to get it working in the meantime.
#1 thing will be clearing CMOS, which resets all the BIOS settings.

?cmos

[silk jungle]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[grizzled bloom]

If they doesn't work still it's likely you have a bad stick

[hollow thorn]

I'm leaning far towards the corsair sticks being faulty considering that it worked fine with the ballistix sticks reinstalled

[grizzled bloom]

It could have been trying to apply the old memory training data to the new sticks

Then it goes into failsafe mode after a few tries, which coincided with the old sticks being installed

[hollow thorn]

generally it does the retries during the same boot no?

[grizzled bloom]

Not for all BIOS

I still agree that the memory could be at fault here due to their reputation, but I want to cover all the bases

[hollow thorn]

Yea it's worth a try, but personally I'd go through the returns process while you're still within return windows when possible

[sudden creek]

We used @meager elbow 's suggestion. System Info worked. He is using a 5700X on a Asus Prime B550.

[rapid thunder]

So I noticed that my MOBO (MSI B650 Gaming Plus WiFi) has a TPM header on it. I understand that TPM is required to install Windows 11, which I intend to dual boot with Linux Mint. Do I need to buy a separate TPM module to install Windows 11 or will I be fine without ordering any additional hardware?

[meager elbow]

modern cpus have the tpm in it

[rapid thunder]

Cool.

[shy wyvern]

G skill often has discounts on their cheaper ddr4 kits. I saw 32GB of aegis for $39.99 on sale the other day

[shy wyvern]

That's only if you want to install one with additional features, the ftpm (virtual tpm) in the CPUs will be just fine.

[sudden creek]

How can I make sure I cleared my cmos?

[grizzled bloom]

When it starts the POST message will tell you, "hardware changed or configuration settings cleared, F1 setup F2 continue" or something along those lines

[sudden creek]

I am having trouble posting it's stuck on the training part again

I am trying to clear cmos to fix my settings

[sudden creek]

I just reseated all the power connectors.

[sudden creek]

Just tried the battery method

[sudden creek]

I have come to understand something

My computer takes way to f in long to train.

@limpid heart should I be worried that it took the better part of 40-50m to train my CPU???

[grizzled bloom]

That happens when you're on the edge of stability. It gets much harder to train the memory. And doing a CPU overclock can affect your memory overclock, making it less stable.

[sudden creek]

this was on stock

I had cleared the cmos

[shy wyvern]

I've had this happen before because the chipset heatsink had come loose and was over heating. It said CPU/memory issue with debug lights but was actually chipset.

Just an update for you, GN said a lot of people have tipped him off to warranty issues, and gave me an email of an Intel spokesperson. After reaching out they got me one of the higher ups for warranty and returns. They said the CPU was initially slated to be sold as a microcenter bundle, not individually, so the store would have been responsible for it because it's considered under prebuilts/bundles. That's why the level 1 people were saying it was ineligible for retruns. They said they will still RMA it and are sending me a package to ship it back in within next 2 weeks.

When I send off the CPU, I'mma just switch to the 9800X3D, microcenter has $649 bundles for them with ram, CPU, and motherboard

So it seems microcenter messed up and gave me a CPU that was receiving manufacturer credit to be sold in a bundle, and Intel messed up by not correctly telling me why RMA was being denied.

[dull flint]

Wow.

Hey, guess it was kinda worth doing huh cos they will RMA it now

Big props to those guys for helping sort you out

So you'll be on the way to recovering all that lost cost then. Nice

Really glad that we finally got a positive resolution it sounds like

[shy wyvern]

I also learned something new

Microcenter gets disconnected product to do in their bundles! That's probably how they get them so cheap

I did a web pickup for the order so someone must've thrown in from the wrong pile or something

[dull flint]

That's likely what happened yeah

[sudden creek]

my cooler is on very tight

should I loosen it?

[shy wyvern]

Do not

Chipset coolers should be snug

[burnt spear]

?

[wind karma]

#cpus-mobo-and-memory message

[burnt spear]

Ohhhh

Interesting

So they honor warranty in house?

[wind karma]

or something like that, yeah

[rapid thunder]

This might be a stupid question, but does the orientation matter when plugging the case cable into the USB-C header on the motherboard? It looks reversible, but my MOBO manual is confusing me a bit.

[grizzled bloom]

Yes it matters. No it won't let you mess it up, it only fits one way.

[dull flint]

D-

Does it only fit one way?

It must do cos the diagram isn't symmetrical

Wtf I've never noticed

[cyan raft]

Wtf it only goes in one way?

Have I been getting lucky my entire life?

[rapid thunder]

It... appears to fit the same both directions.

[dull flint]

Confusion

I've never seen it not fit

Which to that effect also

I've never seen it not work for every way I've plugged it

Lol

[rapid thunder]

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/ia48f2/which_way_does_usb_type_c_go_into_motherboard/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

This seems to corroborate the reversible-ness of the mobo header.

I suppose we'll see if USB-C works properly when I boot this thing up

[dull flint]

Ahahah

Bro spent three years wondering how his usb would plug in

[rapid thunder]

So, my Phanteks Enthoo Pro case has a fan hub. I haven't had any cases with such a hub before. Is it advisable to use it over plugging my fans into the MOBO directly and if so, do I just plug the four pin from the hub into the CPU fan header on the board for control?

[dull flint]

I would recommend

[grizzled bloom]

You can use it if you want, just keep in mind whatever you plug into it will all share one control for speed

I'd keep the CPU fan separate but you can put it on there if you wanted

[dull flint]

Just be wary if it's not got any power cables to it to not exceed 1 Amp

Basic ones only act as like a daisy chain

Not all have independent power

[rapid thunder]

It has a power cable that connects to a SATA power connector.

[dull flint]

Ok then it can do up to about 5 amps

So plug all the pc fans into it if you want

[rapid thunder]

Is there any advantage to that and is there any functional difference between that and letting the board to the regulating itself?

[dull flint]

Not delta (though I doubt you have delta asking this)

[dull flint]

Cable management and simplicity

You can run it all off one header

Similarly

It all runs off one header

Less control

[rapid thunder]

So no benefit to noise or thermals by synchronizing them off the header?

[dull flint]

Not really

Just convenience

[rapid thunder]

Cool. Thanks for the info.

For reference, I am running a 200mm intake, two 140mm exhausts, and the cooler has two 120mm fans.

I was advised in another channel a week or so ago that this would be sufficient airflow.

PSU is facing down so it's isolated from the rest of the system for whatever that is worth.

[grizzled bloom]

Yep that should be enough for just about anything short of the highest end parts

[rapid thunder]

Fal, you have been advising on this build throughout the process. You might be a little amused to know that I've since added a second 4TB SATA SSD, ordered another 32GB ram kit to bring it up to 64GB total, and added a Blu-Ray writer.

The increased RAM is because I decided I wanted more headroom to play with virtual machines and honestly I always intended to have and optical drive, but just forgot to put it on the original part list. The second SSD was a target of opportunity when I saw a good deal on Newegg.

I'll need to reflash the BD drive to read ultra-HD discs, but that looks like it'll be a relatively simple procedure from some of the videos I've seen on the subject.

I'm a bit of a data hoarder and I love collecting optical media so having the ability to rip the widest range of it (with the eventual goal of building my own home media server) is a big plus.

[grizzled bloom]

Good luck adding that memory

You're going to need it

4 sticks is very difficult to run on DDR5, and will likely limit your max speed to about 5600

Possibly 5200 if you have bad luck

Worst luck is it doesn't work at all

[rapid thunder]

Why is that?

[grizzled bloom]

It's complicated, but the short version is that DDR5 was never meant to support 4 sticks at all and it was added to the spec at the last minute

[rapid thunder]

Why would they even consider designing it without quad-channel functionality?

That's been the norm for at least the last decade and a half hasn't it?

[grizzled bloom]

It seriously stresses out the memory controller running at high speeds with extra dimms

[rapid thunder]

It won't damage the MOBO will it?

[grizzled bloom]

No

But it will take a lot longer to train the memory, so expect up to 10 minutes the first boot

[rapid thunder]

Train it?

I've never heard of memory training

[hollow thorn]

It's more like 4 sticks only really works at the jedec spec speeds, even though most users will run memory at effectively 50% faster with less sticks

[hollow thorn]

It's something that's always done in the background for first boot, usually not noticeable therefore usually not noted

[rapid thunder]

jedec?

Are you referring to the first system post or the first boot into an OS when installing for the first time?

[hollow thorn]

Jedec is the standards organization, the basic ddr5 standard is 4800 iirc

First system post

[rapid thunder]

I think my chosen kit is rated up to 6000 MT/s

Now I'm wondering if I should return those kits and order a 2x32GB kit instead...

Then again, I could be overthinking it again.

And I guess there is the whole bandwidth vs. speed argument. Which I don't know enough to decide which is more important with this gen of memory

[hollow thorn]

Optimal performance is 2x24, max capacity with performance in mind is 2x48

But if what you have works, if it ain't broke, don't fix it

[rapid thunder]

2x32 wouldn't make max speeds?

[hollow thorn]

2x24 is easier on the memory controller and usually can hit higher clocks, 2x32 is fine but slightly worse

[rapid thunder]

Is the mem controller a MOBO part?

If that's the limiting factor, couldn't MOBO manufacturers just up the spec on it?

[hollow thorn]

Memory controller is on the CPU, there's only so much the current generations is able to do right now

[rapid thunder]

Ah.

So, are Intel XMP profiles simply an industry standard or do they only work using intel hardware?

[hollow thorn]

AMD has "EXPO" instead of "XMP" but effectively same thing, it's just a profile for the timings and frequency and voltage

Current gen that is, previously had some different names

[rapid thunder]

But I might have to manually tune it myself to see what my maximum stable speed in quad channel is.

Is populating all four slots always quad channel or can you run four sticks in dual channel?

[hollow thorn]

For 4 sticks, yes, you may have to manually tune it

The CPU has to dedicate something for the stick, you can't just tell the CPU to not use the stick

[rapid thunder]

I wasn't sure if there was a way to make it treat two sticks as one unit or not.

[hollow thorn]

Not really

[rapid thunder]

Do you have an opinion on capacity vs. speed?

[hollow thorn]

What are you using it for?

[rapid thunder]

Primary use case is video games.

[grizzled bloom]

2x32 should be able to reach decent speeds, but not as fast as 2x24

[rapid thunder]

I'm planning to dual boot though and possibly see what I can do in virtual machines too for fun.

[hollow thorn]

If you see yourself as a relatively average gamer, 2x24 is going to be very good for the foreseeable future

[grizzled bloom]

I have occasionally maxed out my memory (32gb) playing certain games, mostly heavily modded stuff

I'm probably going to do a 2x24gb kit as my next upgrade. They overclock REALLY well too.

Like I've seen over 10,000 on air cooling

[dull flint]

2x32 is fast enough on AM5

It's also cheaper per gb

[hollow thorn]

I've not maxed out my 2x16gb doing anything sane or anything I would do more than once

[grizzled bloom]

Yes for current AMD 2x32 runs fast enough for most, 6400 is the most you'd want and not all chips can run even that without desync issues

[dull flint]

2x24 is fun to overclock doe

[rapid thunder]

Well now I am not sure what to do.

Some people on other forums report being able to manage 6000 in quad channel. I just wanted something spiffy with plenty of headroom to give a VM lots of resources.

[dull flint]

Ok let me establish something

4 sticks of ddr5 is octa channel first of all

[grizzled bloom]

Yes, some people can, the lucky ones and usually they have matched kits with the same memory die

[dull flint]

Or rather octa rank

Secondly large capacity ddr5 is really painful in general if you don't know what you're doing

It's not like older ram generations

[rapid thunder]

I'm starting to notice.

[dull flint]

When you plug 2 more sticks of ddr4 you get a slight hit

[rapid thunder]

Feels like all the old rules don't apply.

[dull flint]

When you plug 2 more sticks of ddr5 you can cause the system to not run at all

DDR5 at higher than 96GB you expect a standard of less than 4800

This is jedec

And jedec scales to 3600 with higher capacities

To stabilise 128GB or more you need a lot of time and patience, and gamble stability

[rapid thunder]

How does that analogize to the 3600 hrz of my current DDR4 kit?

[dull flint]

Slower

[rapid thunder]

3600 MT/s is slower than 3600 hrz?

[dull flint]

Same thing

But it's more latency

Cos ddr5

But not double latency

It's more due to arch changes

Ddr5 is much more dense, it's doubled burst length means longer CAS but also split bit transfer

It changes a lot in the scheme of things

As a result latency takes a hit but bandwidth can go much higher

Ddr5 was finalised as a spec on consumer boards initially to only have 2 slots

It was amended to 4 at the final minute

It was never intended as an architecture for 4 slots

I've seen 128GB work on ddr5 at 6000 myself

But this was before we went through all the drama of last gen

Both intel and AMD put the brakes on their IO voltage limits at different times

And the current norm is 128GB+ is just pain if you want over 4800MT/s

If you want DDR5 speeds, I would stick to 96GB or less

Otherwise consider HEDT like threadripper

[rapid thunder]

I don't plan on going above 64GB on this machine.

I don't foresee a need for it with my video game and VM plans.

I'm thinking I'll take a crack at tuning the 4x16 set up to see what my particular batch of silicon can do.

[dull flint]

Then I'd just do 2x32

It's way easier to stabilise and definitively faster

It's no contest

[rapid thunder]

Thing is, I ordered the first kit from Amazon December 5. I don't know if I even can return it now.

It is installed in the board, but I haven't even tried to post this machine yet so it's entirely unused.

[dull flint]

Ok well I will caution that too, don't mix kits unless you know they're identical

[rapid thunder]

They're two of the same kit.

[dull flint]

And buying the same article ≠ identical

[rapid thunder]

Two 2x16 kits.

[grizzled bloom]

Yes go ahead and try it. Clear your cmos first to have the best chance of it working. If it doesn't boot, return.

[dull flint]

Two of the same product code ≠ identical kits

Ram manus mix chips all the time

[rapid thunder]

My head is starting to hurt.

[dull flint]

I can check this if you have them there with the sticker

[grizzled bloom]

It is unlikely you'll be able to run the expo/xmp profile since that's tuned for 2 sticks, so you'll need to manually overclock the memory too

[dull flint]

Some tell you on the sticker what chips the kits use

[rapid thunder]

The second kit is still in the mail.

[dull flint]

Corsair uses micron primarily, then hynix and samsung

[rapid thunder]

Is the sticker on the sticks themselves?

[dull flint]

Gskill writes which die too, usually hynix

Yes

Kingston writes it

Teamgroup writes batch numbers which if you know them will get you the die

The rest I don't recall

An xmp can usually describe a die (or two)

There are 5 dies on DDR5

Micron has 2, samsung 1 (2nd pending), hynix 2

[dull flint]

In 16gbit and 24gbit

[rapid thunder]

Second kit is still in the mail.

I can send a pic of it when it arrives

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CKF7XB3K?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_1&th=1

I need to go to bed, but I appreciate all the information and will certainly be checking back here soon.

[rapid thunder]

Clear CMOS before very first post/boot attempt or do it to reset if it fails to boot with a given setting?

[dull flint]

Can't see an identifier but this will usually be H16M or H16A

SP is consistent at least

Odds are the second kit is identical or close

[grizzled bloom]

Clear before you put the new sticks in

[dull flint]

If I saw the front side of the sticks

I might see the chip label

Mgbd or agbd is what I'm looking for

[grizzled bloom]

Get a closeup of the chips on the other side ye

No heatsink makes it easy to ID

[rapid thunder]

It’s never been posted/booted at all with this or any kit. Will it still make a difference?

[dull flint]

Yes

[grizzled bloom]

If this is effectively a new build and new motherboard, maybe. Sometimes.

There are settings set from the factory testing that can occasionally mess with a harder to run config

[dull flint]

If expo is enabled cmos reset without question

We've seen expo really mess with boards before

[rapid thunder]

And to reset I literally just pop the battery out, leave it for a few minutes to fully discharge, then reinsert it?

[grizzled bloom]

Yep

Or use the jumper if it has one, that method only takes about 5 seconds

Some nicer boards even have a button, acts the same as the jumper

[rapid thunder]

I didn’t know alternatives to the battery were even a thing. I’ll need to check the manual.

[dull flint]

We live in the future

[rapid thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-future-gif-8582025

Feels more like this to me right now

[sudden creek]

Status update, after a few training rounds it seems my pc is back to booting within a reasonable time.

[rapid thunder]

So I’ve done a little more reading.

Why would 2x32 still take a speed penalty despite being just two sticks and why do you recommend specifically 2x24?

[dull flint]

You're running more memory chips off the same controller thus it runs much harder

2x24 is quite unique, it runs extremely well

If you buy the right kit, that is

[rapid thunder]

Any recommendations?

I’m debating just returning the 2x16 kits

[rapid thunder]

Even though it’s only two slots? It’s just a physical reality of more chips to run on each stick?

Did AM5 and DDR5 designers not anticipate users who use 128 GB of memory for art, rendering, and simulation?

Was the assumption simply that those users are willing to sacrifice speed for bandwidth?

[rapid thunder]

Turns out the board has jumper pins, but I don’t recall finding an actual jumper in the box.

[grizzled bloom]

Any uncoated metal should do. Paperclips work for me.

[rapid thunder]

Just complete a circuit between the pins right?

[dull flint]

Any 2 sticks, with an XMP or EXPO having a CAS latency of 32 or less

The cheaper the better, and this does not include corsair

Anything BUT corsair

[rapid thunder]

Does PC Part Picker list whether a lot has EXPO/XMP profiles?

[dull flint]

Yes

You can adjust by cas

From 56 all the way down to 28

Cas of 28 to 32, literally, sort by cheapest

Pick any kit not corsair

[rapid thunder]

The speeds available in those parameters should be 6,000 and up right?

[dull flint]

Any ddr5 speed

Just cas 32, 30, 28

Easy to think about that way

Sort by price

[rapid thunder]

What does first word latency mean and how important is it?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nmn9TW/teamgroup-t-create-expert-48-gb-2-x-24-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-ctced548g6400hc32adc01

I'm considering this kit, but don't see anywhere whether it has profiles or not

[grizzled bloom]

It's the amount of time it takes for a RAM module to access and retrieve the first piece of data ("first word") from a memory location

CAS latency is only one part of this

It only matters on DDR5 as far as it helps you figure out which kits are good for overclocking

That would be a great kit, and it definitely has profiles because if it didn't it would be much higher CL

[rapid thunder]

I think I'll go for it and then assume the position of waiting for yet another part to arrive.

[earnest violet]

Not sure what’s going on but I turned on my PC a few mins ago and everything was powering on like normal until I just get a black screen. I can move my cursor but it’s just loading on the black screen. I’m not sure why, but I let it sit to see if my pc just needs to boot up but still nothing. I realized the numbers on my motherboard aren’t lit up like they usually are. I have a b550 steel legend

Not sure if it has to do with my motherboard or not

Hope I’m putting this in the right chat

[earnest violet]

Never mind

Computer just decided it didn’t want to work

It’s working now

[grizzled bloom]

Yep that's a Windows bug. Just hold down your power button to turn off the system and try to boot it again.

If it happens more frequently you can try to use DDU to wipe the GPU drivers and see if that's the cause.

[earnest violet]

At least I know what to do now, thank you 👍

[burnt spear]

could also need a bios update, if i remember right?

[grizzled bloom]

Sometimes that helps

[balmy mango]

Hi everyone- Just want to ask if Asus AI Suite is decent for Maximus Hero XII on i7-10700k VS manually OC'ng.

[meager elbow]

manual oc will pretty much always be better as it's really just trial and error

also this is more of a question for #overclocking lol

[balmy mango]

Sorry you're right and Thank you for answering nonetheless.

[grizzled bloom]

Their idea of "AI overclock" is a basic set of pre-programmed tables that don't always work and can occasionally cause physical damage to the CPU

[wind karma]

If i'm buying some little heatsinks to stick on my (heatsink-less) mobo vrms, do I just need them on the cube bits (chokes?)

or do the capacitors and mosfets need them as well?

[grizzled bloom]

Mosfets and chokes

[wind karma]

the clusters next to the chokes are the mosfets yeah?

[grizzled bloom]

The little squares next to the chokes yes

[wind karma]

so far the 5700x3d seems to be doing fine in this board but a 10 pack of heatsinks is like $1.50 on aliexpress

[sudden creek]

any rumors on what 9950x3D will be like if any?

[dull flint]

Like 7950X3D but zen 5 edition

[sudden creek]

So the ability to properly cool and oc along with a bump in clocks?

[dull flint]

Think 9800x3d

But 9950X ccd on the side

Being able to oc is superlative

[sudden creek]

What does superlative mean?

[dull flint]

The 7950x3d you can basically do all that as well

[dull flint]

Exaggerated

It can "oc" but also the change is basically minimal

It has a higher thermal power limit

Not much else to say

[sudden creek]

Gotcha. Wasn't Fal saying that 5.6GHz is a pretty reasonable oc with proper cooling on the 9800x3D?

Or am I misremembering?

[dull flint]

Yes

Also

Kinda

Mine doesn't do 5.6 all core from memory

[sudden creek]

By memory do you mean afte ram oc or literally brain memory.

Just want to confirm.

[sudden creek]

How are you enjoying it btw?

the CPU in general

[dull flint]

Brain

[dull flint]

It runs way better than my old chip

But also my old chip was being killed by an ssd so can't say the comparison is perfect

I did gain like 50% fps tho

Probably because the ssd

But either way it's been nice

[sudden creek]

Huh???

How did an ssd kill your chip.

[dull flint]

Bad power

Short to io die

Melted the 7950x3d io die

Literally

[sudden creek]

Does Zen5 also have the issues with choosing the proper ccd and stuttering?

[sudden creek]

yikes.

[dull flint]

It's the same scheduler, same behaviour

[sudden creek]

So just hardware improvements

[dull flint]

Yep

Just think 9800X3D but slightly betterworse

And you're fine

It's really not gonna be this massive game changer

[sudden creek]

This is painful... without pbo and my ram oc/xmp enabled I have lost 20ish fps in Halo Infinite and 1% lows are lower

[dull flint]

It's just for a week

Lol

[sudden creek]

I know.

Just painful to see.

I went from 160ish fps with cpu + ram oc down to 135ish with just ram down to 115ish now...

[dull flint]

Considering how many hours you'd lose to reboots it's worth it

If at the least just closure

[sudden creek]

fair

[sudden creek]

I just caught this. What does the "worse" part of "betterworse" entail?

[grizzled bloom]

The usual micro stutter you get with the dual ccd vs the single

[sudden creek]

ahh I guess I had the false hope of that being fixed.

For the most part it's non exist on my chip now but that was after I used Process Lasso to say like Discord and Chrome should only ever use this

[grizzled bloom]

It's been improving but I doubt it can be fully fixed without fully disabling one CCD

[sudden creek]

So games even fortnite when it uses all cores the load isn't bouncing around as much I think

[sudden creek]

yikes no wonder my fps was so low earlier

[marble cairn]

You think upgrading from my 5900x w/ 3200 mhz ram will be a good idea ?

Was going to best buy to get a ryzen 7 9700x and 6000mhz ram.

I’ve been getting lots of stutters and cpu utilization going to 99 while gaming . Temps are also fine.

I’ve done everything trouble shooting I can do and still am getting issues . I also don’t need the extra cores anyway so I’m just trying to decide if the upgrade to Am5 will be worth it

[grizzled bloom]

The 5900X wasn't an ideal gaming CPU to begin with. It would lose to the 5800X because of that exact stuttering issue, which is caused by the dual CCD on Ryzen 9 parts.
The 9700X is barely a 5% upgrade over the 7700X when gaming, usually less, so don't pay more than 5% more money for it. Either of these CPUs would be a good 20-30% upgrade over your 5900X.

[dull flint]

And an x3d alike, big jump

[olive totem]

will zen6 still be on the am5 platform?

my longterm plan is to upgrade to X3D on zen6, ik thats ways off

[grizzled bloom]

Most likely it will be

Nothing concrete but AMD did commit to at least 5 years before the next platform

Since that was late 2022 that means support until 2027

With their ~18 month product cycle right now that would mean a new gen launching in late 2026

[olive totem]

i hope they do more cores on a single ccd (i think ccd is the name) for zen6, id love to have something like a 7900x3d but I know that can be kinda weird for gaming I've heard with how its cores are split

[grizzled bloom]

You are correct that it's called a CCD and the primary problem is micro stutter.
The issue with gaming on a dual CCD chip is it has problems with task scheduling. This can cause a game to try to use only the X3D CCD, but for a microsecond it thinks about switching to another core for load/temp balance, which can wake up the second CCD even if it's been told to sleep by the drivers. It can take a few CPU cycles to wake the CCD, during which time it's not processing data for the game.
This presents as a visible stutter that can last anywhere from 10-200ms in my experience, as a 7900X3D owner. Before the drivers improved I clocked a stutter at over a full second, I thought the PC crashed.

[olive totem]

With 12+ core X3D the extra cache is only on one of the CCDs correct?

Therefore the one that the drivers try to tell it to use?

Sorry this stuff is super confusing I just like to try and learn little by little.

[dull flint]

Ye

[grizzled bloom]

Yes and the stutter issue is worse on the 7900X3D because there's less cores on the CCD, so it needs to wake the second CCD more often

[olive totem]

will ryzen 9 9000x3d be 12 and 16 core as well?

aka 9900x3d 9950x3d

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[olive totem]

How do you think they will perform in terms of the microstutter compared to ryzen 9 7000x3d?

[grizzled bloom]

I cannot predict this

But if it's the same as the 9950X vs 9900X then about the same as 7000

It is entirely possible that AMD baked in some way to reduce the impact of dual CCD and that's why it's launching so much later than the 9800X3D

Who knows

[olive totem]

wdym by 'baked'?

[grizzled bloom]

When they put everything together on a physical level

[olive totem]

ah gotcha

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-cites-cost-and-limited-gaming-benefits-for-skipping-dual-3d-v-cache-in-ryzen-9000x3d-series

[shy wyvern]

Until they can do a 10 or 12 core CCD, we're stuck with 8 core power house gaming cpus

[olive totem]

thats what im hoping for zen 6

that'd prob make me upgrade unless I find a good deal on 9800x3d or the 9900x3d is better than expected

[shy wyvern]

A 10 core X3D chip would honestly be great

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.guru3d.com/story/amd-zen-6-medusa-ridge-processor-leak-reveals-12core-ccd-architecture/

[grizzled bloom]

MLID is the source so take it with lots of salt

[olive totem]

"medusa ridge"

is that the actual official architecture name

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

Zen 5 is Granite Ridge

[olive totem]

that one actually sounds cool

what was zen 4

[grizzled bloom]

Raphael

APUs are Phoenix

[shy wyvern]

24 core R9???

[olive totem]

that would be insane lol

[grizzled bloom]

RIP Intel when that happens

[olive totem]

ikr

what kind of power would that draw

ik amd has kinda made itself more power efficient then intel

[grizzled bloom]

I'm sure not much more than current ones

[shy wyvern]

8 core 11600X
10 core 11700X
12 core 11800X
16 core 11900X
24 core 11950X
This would be insane

Intel is already dead

[olive totem]

I'd be surprised if they got rid of a 6 core option

[grizzled bloom]

It's a smaller process node so that tends to help with energy efficiency. Maybe 175W tops.

[shy wyvern]

To be fair 6 core options as R5 started what, 8 years ago?

Maybe it's due for an update

[olive totem]

for 24 cores of zen6 silicon that would be crazy though

[grizzled bloom]

How long did Intel have quad cores as i7 options?

[shy wyvern]

You think AMD is going to pull an intel? I feel like they only have been doing that on the GPU side

[olive totem]

scrolling through videocardz and found this under the zen6 stuff https://videocardz.com/newz/next-gen-amd-udna-architecture-to-revive-radeon-flagship-gpu-line-on-tsmc-n3e-node-claims-leaker

[shy wyvern]

Hahahahahaha

I have no faith in top end AMD graphics anymore

[olive totem]

XTX is a beast of a card?

[shy wyvern]

They keep getting fed opportunity and not taking it

Yeah but I don't think

[olive totem]

XTX is selling really well since 5080 flopped

[shy wyvern]

They're ever going to fight Nvidia properly on top end

Tbh they don't really need to, a $599 9070XT that is near 5080 would be insane

Reminds me back during the RX 590/580 days

[grizzled bloom]

4c/8t i7 starts at the 960 up to the 7700
Then we had 8c/8t i7 9700

[olive totem]

399 and 499 for 9070/9070xt

would fly off the shelves

that naming will still drive me insane

should of been 8700 XT

[dull flint]

I could care less if amd fights on high end or not

Give us better products at all and I'm happy

[grizzled bloom]

I'm definitely upgrading if the 11800X3D is 12 cores. That'll replace my whole CPU with one CCD.

[dull flint]

Make nvidia fight

[olive totem]

these specs look disappointing on paper if they are true

are those the offical reference coolers for rdna 4 then? ive seen those images more and more

[dull flint]

You need to see leaked benches

[grizzled bloom]

It's a new architecture so core counts etc are not comparable to last gen

[dull flint]

It's better than it looks

[grizzled bloom]

tbf amd seems to be content letting Nvidia spend unfathomable amounts of money on r&d and making massive dies that have extremely low yields. that's a money pit that they don't need to fight over since the winner is the one that falls in the deepest.

not falling into that pit means they can get better profit margins while still charging less money

[dull flint]

I want amd to succeed at this

Just hyper focus a lower category and crack nvidia's market share cos hell, nearly no one's gonna spend 2000 on a do all gpu

Break the 70 and 60 classes open and you capture like 90% of the market coverage

[shy wyvern]

wait, how many years was this?

[grizzled bloom]

10

from the 960 to the 9700

[shy wyvern]

from 960 to 8700 was 9 years then?

that's about the same period AMD has had the same core counts on their skus

[grizzled bloom]

The 8700 was an exception, it was 6c/12t

[shy wyvern]

well it was the first time intel was bumping up the core count

[grizzled bloom]

They went backwards going to 9700 lol

[shy wyvern]

Intel has gone backwards several times

10 to 11 series was backwards

[grizzled bloom]

More cores but HT off so less threads

[shy wyvern]

10900 performed better than the 11900

because the 10 cores

core ultra performed worse than 14th gen

[grizzled bloom]

Intel's idea was you needed the i9 for the privelege of using HT

[shy wyvern]

I think they just hate HT in general

[grizzled bloom]

Worse than 12th gen oftentimes

[shy wyvern]

for some stupid reason

[dull flint]

That's....not correct

They performed identically in practically everything

Even overclocked

The IPC lift offset the core count loss

In fact 11th would win if anything that was light avx512 showed up

They were called a waste of sand otherwise tho for providing next to nothing for anyone

The 10700K was just a 9900K in the same manner

[shy wyvern]

ah,

maybe my fault for relying too much on one source

[grizzled bloom]

It's the 11700K that was net zero gain

[dull flint]

11th gen is...ironic

[shy wyvern]

I remember in the GN review the 11900K was losing to the 10900K in everything multicore

[dull flint]

Mmmm yesn't

For the by and large it was pretty much a straight match

And yes as fal said, 11700K exists

That really made the 11900K look dumb too

Both 8c 16t

[dull flint]

The lower end of 11th gen was ironically not bad value wise, mobile was also really good compared to desktop

I remember suggesting a buttload of 11600K PC's

11400F

[burnt spear]

especially with the 5000 series stock early on

[dull flint]

Fr

[olive totem]

where can I find those

[dull flint]

#tech-industry-news

I posted a crap load of them

Ages ago

[grizzled bloom]

Bear in mind that's using pre-release drivers too so the finished product will probably be a little better with optimizations

[split rain]

So I need to up my ram - I've got some DDR4 corsair vengance but its... the 4k mhz kit(2x8 gb of the rgb pro). Are my best options really buying a $90 outdated 4000 mhz kit from corsair or downgrade to 4x8 gb on 3200mhz

Or can I just get away with slapping a 3200mhz 2x8 gb kit in there

[wind karma]

Sell the vengeance and get something else

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dqbTwP/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4000-cl18-memory-f4-4000c18d-32gvk

There's also rgb stuff for a bit more, the 4000cl18 trident z kits
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#Z=32768002&S=4000,8400&sort=price&page=1

Or you could drop down to 3600cl18 for $48
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6QTzK8/patriot-viper-steel-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-pvs432g360c8k

[sudden creek]

This is a false reading right?

[split rain]

My processor can only do up to 3200 anyway so that's why I wondered if I could maybe get away with just grabbing some of that

[sudden creek]

Don't do 4 sticks.

Dual Rank (2 sticks per channel) hurts your performance botin latency and also having to reduce the ram speed.

If your CPU can only handle 3,200mhz then just look for a cheap 2x16 kit.

[wind karma]

In that case, still sell the vengeance and get this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

Vengeance is blegh, and you really want all the timings to match up, so you'd be wasting $ buying another 4000mhz kit

[keen cedar]

Hey, so I updated the bios of my z690 kingpin and the debug leds showed 0.8 0.9 and 0.7 when the update completed I did some research of my own and saw that it was something to do with the cpu which was not installed at the time because I was trying to recover the board from a no post problem, anyone have any other ideas on what these codes mean because I don’t want to be wasting my time swapping the motherboard out again if these codes are stating a lost cause

[split rain]

Ah lame I kinda also wanted 4 sticks for the lights but I guess I can just get some of those dummy sticks

[wind karma]

4x8 might not be too bad on ddr4

I think ddr5 is where 4 sticks is real bad

Here's 4x8 with rgb

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KJ2rxr/gskill-tridentz-rgb-32gb-4-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c16q-32gtzr

[hollow thorn]

2dpc is still harder to run but most ddr4 memory controllers can still cope with it

[split rain]

Are the corsair ones bad dies or something? tbh it might be just as cheap to get a 2 x 16 and two of the dummy sticks

buy some used ram (gasp)

[wind karma]

Yeah vengeance is just known to be bad

[split rain]

Feck that sucks - theyre also like one of three companies that make dummy sticks

Guess I can mix and match with dummy sticks still - just might be a bit weird asthetically

[dull flint]

Just buy a used 4x8 kit lad

They sell basically the same price as 2x16 on the used market

We would suggest using 2x16 as preferable for a lot of reasons, but 4x8 on ddr4 is ok

And yes, avoid vengeance like the plague

[split rain]

Imma just order a gskill 2x16

[neon geyser]

Hey guys curious on performance differences between the 9800x3d, 9900x and 9950x for gaming and light productivity work (recording and editing)

9900x is $400
9800x3d is $580+
9950x $~570

[split rain]

I'd rather have slightly worse asthetics and better perf

[dull flint]

Be careful of trident Z, the sticks like to remove their heatsinks on their own

Lmao

[neon geyser]

Looking to upgrade the platform from a 5600x

[dull flint]

9800X3D beats all by a mile

Light productivity you don't need much

It's a minor difference in real time

[split rain]

There's no winning T_T

[dull flint]

Gaming however it wins by like 25% on average

Less at higher resolution

[dull flint]

Teamgroup is nice

So is silicon power

[hollow thorn]

My warning for trident z is that the edges are sharp and can cut your skin lol

[dull flint]

LOL TRUE

[neon geyser]

Ok cool I’ll keep my eyes out @dull flint

I would be looking to move from 1440p to 4k once the GPU market figures itself out

[split rain]

Team group has rgb yeah?

[hollow thorn]

I've bled for my ram, have you?

[dull flint]

Wait until $480 9800X3D if you can

It's unlikely given tariffs tho

580 might be the price that sticks

[dull flint]

Ye

[hollow thorn]

Some model do yea

[neon geyser]

Yea I’m trying but it seems like there has been no restocks in the last week I’ve been watching it (ik that is not much time tho)

And yea tariffs pulled me forward from end of year to asap for this build don’t feel like catching a 100% price increase to these already insane prices

[dull flint]

Ye

I suspect 580 might stick

Can't say for sure tho

[neon geyser]

Yea it’s all 3rd party sellers

Really trying to avoid a 10hour trip to micro center

[dull flint]

10 hours isn't remotely worth it mate

Travel cost is way above the value of that

[neon geyser]

Yea but not if I gotta gamble on a 3rd party seller

[dull flint]

I see

Still would wait

[meager elbow]

who's forcing you to buy now

[dull flint]

10 hours is an insane travel trip

[meager elbow]

🧐

[neon geyser]

Oh I plan to wait for a bit, gonna see what happens over the next month or so

9900x3d is supposed to be out around end of March I think right?

[dull flint]

I wouldn't do that one

6 core X3D is a bit slower

(it's 6+6)

[neon geyser]

Ahhhh ok didn’t realize that

[dull flint]

9950X3D also will add basically nothing to your needs as well

You spend more for a minor convenience and a minor inconvenience

[neon geyser]

Ok that’s actually really good to know. Honestly just assumed it would be better “bigger number is better” lol

[dull flint]

One side is better productivity but the other is scheduling workarounds

[dull flint]

You'd think so but nah lol

[neon geyser]

Do you know anything about mobos? I was looking at a hardware unboxed vid earlier and they talked about the b650s but some of what they recommended is only available at b850e but I have no idea the difference

[dull flint]

Here's a really easy way to think about it

Use those reviews to determine which runs the coolest

As long as it's not throttling under tests, it's good

Ok

Now with that

With that in mind

We look at the everything else part

And this is easy

Imagine every motherboard as a usb hub

Some do more than others

Pick the one that doesn't overheat and has the right number of usb or storage slots you need

That's all there is to it

A basic b650 as long as it doesn't throttle will perform identically to an X870E $1100 motherboard if you know what you're doing

[neon geyser]

That works lol

Reason I was asking tho was the 650 variant got incredible reviews but wasn’t sure the diff between that and 850

[dull flint]

Even some A620's are solid

Like the pro rs and lightning

[neon geyser]

ASRock B850 STEEL LEGEND WIFI?

[dull flint]

Sure

I would aim as cheap as possible

Even the matx ones are alright if you pick correctky

Some are better than some atx ones

[neon geyser]

Ok cool! One of the reviews I watched was saying the “cheap” boards couldn’t handle the higher end chips

[dull flint]

I tend to bounce between Asrock B650m hdv/m.2, b650m pro rs wifi, a620m pro rs wifi, a620i lightning, msi b650 gaming wifi

[dull flint]

Some can't no

But many actually can

I parsed hundreds of reviews over these

I have a good idea what can and can't run on which

Atm the new gen boards do not seem worth it at all

Very very few have even mild consideration

Like the B850M-X asrock

[dull flint]

Don't forget this part

[neon geyser]

Hmm ok I’ll have to check out more a few I was looking at a few reviews but then they weren’t in stock

[dull flint]

To me this is all it's really about as long as the vrm is fine

Alr

[neon geyser]

I really appreciate it!

[dull flint]

Np

[rapid thunder]

How long does DDR5 usually take to train on your first start up?

[meager elbow]

give it 10 mins, if it hasnt finished by 10 mins then there might be something wrong

realistically probably only takes 5 or less?

i still havent worked with ddr5 but from the troubleshooting and what people have been saying, it seems like the average time for the first boot after a cmos reset/new mobo is like around 5 mins

damn i just remembered that guy that had a milkshake or smoothie or whatever and saw that the pc finished ram training, and ran over and tripped, spilling the smoothie or milkshake

that was one of the most tragic moments of build chat history

[rapid thunder]

Was it spilled in the machine?

[meager elbow]

no, it was on the way back, so it was on the floor

i dont know why i remember this conversation 😭 it was from a while ago LMFAO

[rapid thunder]

I switched my HDMI from the GPU to the MOBO and hit the reset button and now I am in BIOS.

[meager elbow]

[meager elbow]

i'd try reseating the gpu into the pcie slot (and making sure the power connectors are all in all the way)

[grizzled bloom]

While you're in bios you can try setting the PCIe slot to 4.0 manually, and make sure that the priority video device is PEG (primary external graphics, the GPU)

[rapid thunder]

I'm not actually sure where to find that

I've looked around and I'm not seeing it

[meager elbow]

You'll probably have to go to the advanced menu, click f7

[grizzled bloom]

You should have a search feature

Magnifying glass top right I think

search pcie first

[split rain]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09VZQMW1B/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

These should be fine yeah?

[meager elbow]

I'm NGL I keep forgetting that modern boards have a search feature

Also wtf is beta runner

[rapid thunder]

No clue about beta runner

[meager elbow]

Oh it's an auto blck oc thing

[grizzled bloom]

first one, gen switch

set to gen 4

[rapid thunder]

Oh? Why gen 4?

[grizzled bloom]

Several reasons

I can list them if you like

[meager elbow]

Sometimes there's weird PCIe compatibility issues with auto detect and such

[rapid thunder]

Oh, is this is referring to actual PCIe generations?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[meager elbow]

This was also an issue during the switch to PCIe 4 from 3 iirc

[grizzled bloom]

Even if it's a 5.0 slot and you magically got a 5080/5090, which are the only GPUs with 5.0, you can still run at gen 4 with no performance loss

[rapid thunder]

Is it possible the gpu won't display video until installing drivers with a windows update...?

I just reseated it so we'll see if that makes any difference

[grizzled bloom]

Not typically. It's designed to work with a basic set of drivers integrated into the OS until you install new ones.

[rapid thunder]

There is also a switch on the side of the gpu. It's an RX 7900XT.

I'm not sure what that does.

I'm debating discharging the cmos jumper pins before my next post just to reset everything

[grizzled bloom]

That would probably be a dual bios switch

It's worth trying to toggle that at least

[rapid thunder]

Does it retrain memory if you clear CMOS?

Well, I reseated the card and cleared CMOS and now I have video in BIOS from the card.

Not sure if it was one or the other or the combination, but I'm underway.

I'm running a 2x24 ram kit rated for 6400 mt/s.

Currently BIOS shows 5200 and it doesn't appear to change when I switch between the two EXPO profiles.

Do I have to save with one profile enabled and reset to see a difference?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[grizzled bloom]

And yes

[rapid thunder]

When I select one and try to save it shows that I am disabling the profile. Are multiple profiles engaged at once?

[grizzled bloom]

It shouldn't be possible to load more than one

But maybe start with a 6000 profile if it has that

6400 can be tricky for Ryzen to run without some effort

Mine tops out at 6200, it can't run 6400 stable no matter what I do

[rapid thunder]

Uh... I selected expo 1 which said it was disabling when I saved and after reset it shows 6400 MT/S

So, I guess it worked.

Well, provided it runs stable when I actually start running software.

[grizzled bloom]

It started but that doesn't mean it's stable

In fact if you don't have Windows installed yet, leave expo off since you can't test stability yet

[rapid thunder]

Fair point.

Is it worth installing Windows 11 on a separate partition from the rest of its host drive?

[split rain]

It can be

makes reinstalling windows a lot easier in some instances

[rapid thunder]

would 250gb be sufficient?

[grizzled bloom]

yep

[rapid thunder]

Groovy.

It's installing now.

[rapid thunder]

Is MSI center worth using? I think my MOBO is trying to install it.

[grizzled bloom]

No

It's basically bloatware

[hollow thorn]

all mobo software are bloatware

[shy wyvern]

My built in wifi didn't want to work without the stupid MSI center wifi "module" or whatever they call the little app things. I'd only install it if something isn't working

[neon geyser]

How much of a difference will 6000mhz c36 vs c30 make for Corsair vengeance ram? It’s about a 40$ difference

[burnt spear]

Corsair vengeance is a hard pass

Corsair is the only brand with consistently bad quality control on their ram

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/scFmP6/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp032gxlwu60afde

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yxjRsY/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-rgb-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-su032gxlwu60afdfsk

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2JLFf7/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ff3d532g6000hc30dc01

[neon geyser]

Dang ok I just had team group create recommended how are they?

[burnt spear]

Good

The only thing the brand you're buying the ram from makes is the heatspreader on the outside of the ram

Any 6000c30 kit is going to be made by Hynix

I've recommended sp and teamgroup hundreds of times atp and I've only had one person have issues with their silicon power ram, and of course no brand has 100% foolproof quality control

[neon geyser]

Ok cool I didn’t know that

32 should be plenty for gaming and light streaming/recording and editing?

My setup currently uses like 15.8 with a few tabs open and a single game

[burnt spear]

Yep for sure

Are you making a whole new build?

[neon geyser]

starting to yes, currently on AM4. so im gonna be buying a new platform. gonna be buying the 9800x3d to pair with my 3080 till i can get my hands on a new GPU at a reasonable price

[burnt spear]

Nice idea

Some solid cheap mobos are b650m pro rs and b650 eagle ax

[neon geyser]

yea just not sure if its worth going up to a 4k monitor

[burnt spear]

Spending more than that you just gain some usb ports really

[neon geyser]

i snagged the b850 steel legend

[burnt spear]

Maybe an nvme slot and a couple pcie slots

Ah alr

[wind karma]

personally I think 1440p is a sweet spot. Could go miniLED or OLED 1440p

[burnt spear]

Personally I wouldn't bother with 4k

[neon geyser]

it had some really nice reviews and i suck at mobos lol

[neon geyser]

yea that was my thoughts ill just chill with my Dell its been pretty nice

figure other than the 5090 nothing is really going to give the high refresh performance without turning setting way down. i think the 5080 did like 85fps? if im not mistaken

[neon geyser]

yea currently i have a Dell S2721DGF its a 165Hz ive been happy with it. maybe ill just keep saving up till they roll out some actual better hardware for the GPUS or the QDEL monitors (which are looking pretty cool)

[wind karma]

yeah that's a solid panel. Waiting for oled prices to keep dropping is what I would do as well

[neon geyser]

i dont rememebr where i heard it but they mentioned that OLEDs have a pretty high floor price due to the actual cost to produce them and that Qdel is likely going to be able to drastically reduce the cost. im hoping to get in at like Gen2-3 so they can work the kinks out

[wind karma]

I mean we've seen 1440p oleds drop to as low as $350

[neon geyser]

damn.. where the hell was i? i cant seem to find a 1440 for under 800 rn. even the high rated IPS are like 5-600

[wind karma]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7LzXsY/aoc-agon-pro-ag276qzd2-267-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-ag276qzd2

[neon geyser]

im in no rush atm so ill deff keep an eye out, im hoping for a nice sale around summer prime day (hopefully tarrifs dont totally shaft the PC market)

[wind karma]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KqfxFT/cooler-master-tempest-gz2711-270-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-cmi-gz2711-us
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qfpQzy/acer-predator-x27u-bmiipruzx-270-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-umhxxaa001

I've seen the AOC one reccomended the most

[neon geyser]

the cooler master i saw a few reviews for this mornin gthat were not great. Ill have to look into the predator thats normally a nice model!

Damn thank you!

[burnt spear]

the CM is really bad

the worst oled, but its still oled

good under $400

[wind karma]

yeah the Tempest had some firmware issues but I heard they were fixed I thought?

[neon geyser]

thats what i heard on the review

i should prob move this to the monitor section so i dont get us in trouble but how big of a difference is it going from 1440 to 4k. 1080 to 1440 was like seeing for the first time lol

[wind karma]

4k def has a lot more pixels but that also means the perf impact is big

[neon geyser]

damn. i might have to find a local hardware store (not just a best buy) and see if they have anything on display i can side by side. thats an insane difference of pixels..

[meager elbow]

put 4 1080p monitors together and you will have 4k

[split rain]

Ended up finding a 2x16 3200 trident z pair for 45 locally!! Will probably be able to sell my 2x8 4000 for just as much. Nice free upgrade

[rapid thunder]

What benchmark should I run to stress test memory stability at a given speed?

[split rain]

End result of all the messing around

[ripe tartan]

WEEEWOOOWEEEWOOOOWEEEWOOO

[pliant siren]

so what're the chances of a gigabyte RMA bein good?
AORUS b550 pro-p (rev 1.0) failed it seems. can't be stable on hard loads. used a b350 and fine atm...

[past rain]

is a i9 14900k used for 300 a good deal or no

[twilit kite]

So Im upgrading from a ryzen 5 7600x to a ryzen 9 9900x any things that I should know

[wind karma]

If you're gaming get an x3d

[burnt spear]

^^ ryzen 9s are worse for gaming than ryzen 5s/7s typically due to dual ccd latency

[twilit kite]

interesting, yeah I figured there was some trade offs
while I care about gaming, I more care about computation speeds and multithreading, tl:dr I've hit my computational limits on the current cpu. I currently have a Radeon 7700xt and 64gb ram ddr5 5600

i model nuclear reactors

its pretty cool

but it takes alotta juice

[meager elbow]

stuff like the 9800x3d still has pretty good multithread
if you need alot of compute though, you might actually find some benefit in using a threadripper, but that would be less ideal for gaming

[twilit kite]

oh I would LOVE a threadripper

but alas I am still a student

[meager elbow]

but you would also have enough pcie lanes for full bandwidth 16x pcie slot multi-gpu if you needed that as well

ahh

[twilit kite]

Once I actually start my job in august, I'll be aiming to upgrade

Part of me wants to go with getting a 2U rack for all of that stuff, and then having a dedicated gaming PC

the current setup is more aimed to be able to get decent frames in gaming and better than slowpoke results for the design im working on

cause even with a lower/mid fidelity model it takes aboutttt 3 days lmao 12 threads just isnt enough

[meager elbow]

3 days damn

can it be offloaded to gpu at all lol

[twilit kite]

God I wish

Unfortunately neutronics codes (monte Carlo transport codes) were largely developed before GPU was developed for coding at all really, initially developed in Fortran, and to get it GPU friendly they would have to remake the entirety of the codes and redo all the experiments to validate them

Since doing reactivity experiments are inherently expensive this has not happened

Thus CPU is the way :/

[meager elbow]

RIP

[sudden creek]

You might be able to find a used 7950X for the same price.

[split rain]

Hes just standing there... menacingly

[neon geyser]

bit of a dumb question. if i have a 5600x and have not updated by bios since doing the build around it release do i need to update bios to use a 5700x3d

[burnt spear]

It's a good idea to, better be safe than sorry

[neon geyser]

ok bc it says is should run from the bios i have flashed

does the USB i use have to be clean?

[burnt spear]

Then you're fine...?

[neon geyser]

Idk it’s telling me bios error ID check failed

[burnt spear]

I've always used a clean usb but I'm not sure if it matters

[neon geyser]

I literally just downloaded

[burnt spear]

You might need to do an in-between version first depending on how old your current bios is

[neon geyser]

f14 I think from 22

Nope it won’t even do 15a which is the next one

Am I supposed to extract it? Or leave it zipped?

yea i keep getting the same error "bios Id check error"

[burnt spear]

There should be a tutorial on your mobo manufacturers website

I've only done it twice and I don't remember

[grizzled bloom]

Make sure it's the update for your exact motherboard. There can be multiple versions of the same board.

And you are supposed to extract it

[neon geyser]

Yup you nailed it, I was on 1.x needed 1.0

[neon geyser]

anyone able to help me out for a second with a ram question?

[hollow thorn]

what is the question

[neon geyser]

so i had my XMP set and it was running at 6000mhz, tried to use ryzen master to optimize the curve and now my ram wont go above 4800 mhz with xmp on. any ideas what happen?

[hollow thorn]

Either it was unstable in the first place, or it's the IMC being stressed and the auto voltage just isn't enough for one reason or another

and I wouldn't do ocing via software like ryzen master, use bios for everything whenever possible

[neon geyser]

ok, i was just trying to do a slight undervolt. someone recd ryzen master

so i should revert to default

[hollow thorn]

Yes, and I would do anything via bios instead of ryzen master

[neon geyser]

Hmm ok I’ll have to look into how to do that than. The curve this set seems to have dropped my temp by nearly 20c in cinebench while increasing the score (not that that matters that much)

But I really don’t know what it did

Hmm nvm it crashed with 2 mins left, guess it’s not getting enough power to finish?

[neon geyser]

Ok so might have an issue. Reverted the profile back and uninstalled Ryzen master. I crash as soon as I try to run cinebench

And it’s still only getting to 64c now yesterday it was peaking at 82 for almost the entire multi core test

[hollow thorn]

revert everything, disable xmp

xmp may not have been stable in the first place

[neon geyser]

Xmp ran multiple tests yesterday.

And I did revert it and then uninstalled the app itself

[warm hemlock]

What do you guys think about this (i will get 4070 soon) this is about 800 usd or lower maybe

[burnt spear]

the aio is a hard pass, and if youre gaming the 7600/x performs the same

there's better psus, but depending on what gpu you're planning it could be fine

[warm hemlock]

What should i get for cooling then and about the cpu i use after effects and blender and i will get 4070 or maybe 4070 super

[burnt spear]

prob fine then, any decent air cooler is fine

an a620, peerless assassin 120, phantom spirit, anything along those lines

[warm hemlock]

Yeah I’ve heard about the assassin 120 but isnt it noisy?

[burnt spear]

no

[warm hemlock]

And is there any water cooling suggestion?

[burnt spear]

aqua elite v3, frozen prism, warframe from thermalright, arctic lf2/lf3 line

almost any deepcool aio 240-360mm

[warm hemlock]

Alr i’ll check them out

Thanks mate

[burnt spear]

honestly any aio from thermalright too

for deepcool specifically the ls/lt/le and deepcool castle ex line

[warm hemlock]

Got it

[grizzled bloom]

Liquid cooling can be louder than air cooling because the pump is loud, especially cheaper ones

And that corsair one is cheap quality for premium price

[warm hemlock]

Yeah thats the point i dont wanna get something noisy i have i5 9400f with it cooler and im dying

[grizzled bloom]

Stock cooler? Yeah those are loud just because the fan spins at about 4000 rpm.

[warm hemlock]

Yea

[dim vigil]

Yeah that AIO is trash. There is was better for cheaper and performs better.

[warm hemlock]

which one do you guys suggest? for r7 7700x

[dull flint]

Eagle

Completely

If you're gonna insist on an ATX the eagle is at least not a piece of actual ewaste garbage unlike the prime

Prime is THE WORST B650. Overheats with R9 RYZENS

And the ONLY boards that do this apart from basic cheap as hell bottom tier boards with no heatsink

[scenic solar]

got some more pics of the damaged 12400f, does this look repairable? maybe with some solder on either side of the component it still works? to me it looks like the contacts are ripped. they still have the component that broke off

should i buy it for 60?

i know i already asked but maybe this pic determines whether i should gamble on this cpu or not

der8auer made a video about this sort of damage and repaired a 12900k, the capacitor is in the same spot too

im usually good with precision repairs but never had one like this, i do have a hot air station which is guess is mandatory

[glad meteor]

Hi, Please let me know if you can help me build a workstation with the CPU Intel Xeon 6 - 6980P

[meager elbow]

image is blurry as heck but it doesnt look like the pads are ripped off

oh wait nvm i looked at the upper image

looks like the right pad is ripped

unsure about the left one

[limber dragon]

yolo right? Or is this an ebay listing sort of thing?

[scenic solar]

kind of... 60€ would be more than 40€ less than the usual used price for this cpu. but ofc it requires that small repair

[cursive epoch]

if you have the skills and the info

why not

yolo

but maybe try to haggle a lil

since it is a ded cpu

[meager elbow]

You may want to have one of those microscopes or whatever so you can see where you're scrape off some of the enamel? On the PCB to expose the trace to be able to solder to since the pad is mostly ripped off from what it seems

[wind karma]

uhh

cpu pulling 90-95 watts on the overwatch menu screen

closed and reopened it and it's now at like 30 lol

[distant gulch]

Its from all the lootboxes its loading in

[meager elbow]

i remember when satisfactory's menu screen would just run at the max of any gpu

just the menu

since it was uncapped

[distant gulch]

Youre saying you dont need 1200fps to run the menu?

[meager elbow]

[rapid thunder]

I'm having trouble getting USB-C on my front case I/O to work.

Is it possible that one has to push harder than feels necessary to properly seat the header in the port on the mobo?

Can you plug and unplug the header while the PC is running? Doing a full shut down between seating attempts is getting tedious.

[dull flint]

Ok question

How many front panel plugs did you connect

You did ones like

These right

Did you do this one?

[rapid thunder]

All three, but the last one is the one that's presumably being a problem child

[dull flint]

Last one is the usb c header

[rapid thunder]

I know.

[dull flint]

Make sure that's connected correctly and it's not being like crushed or split

Cos there's always a chance it doesn't work

[dull flint]

It's not being crushed or anything on the other side?

[rapid thunder]

I'm afraid to push it in harder for fear of breaking something

[dull flint]

If it doesn't feel loose it's likely in

It looks in

[rapid thunder]

Can it be unplugged/plugged while the system is running?

[dull flint]

Uh

I wanna say yes but I've never checked that

It should be ok just make sure your hands are dry

[rapid thunder]

I don't think it's pinched or kinked.

It's the one with green tape.

[dull flint]

Ah thanks

That's helpful af

If it looks fine, plugged correctly, still doesn't work

I reckon it could be a dead header or cable

[rapid thunder]

It isn't sharply kinked or crushed, just pressed flat by the side.

That'd really suck at this point.

[dull flint]

Yeah just flat pressed is ok

[rapid thunder]

I really don't want to RMA the board or case.

Any idea how I could narrow down which is the problem?

[dull flint]

Hmmm

An adapter maybe

Or another header cable

Since it's dependency of both you'd want another separate item to isolate it

I think maybe the only other possibility would be plugging it in while on and you hear a connection sound but I am pretty sure that won't happen since the type c header cable is really just an extension

[rapid thunder]

I do have a spare case that should have USB-C on it... It'll just be a pain to unpack to test.