cpus-mobo-and-memory

[sudden creek]

Is that normal?

[grizzled bloom]

No that's with LN2 but still

[sudden creek]

ohh

Looks like a 2x48GB kit at 6400cl32 will cost about $300

[grizzled bloom]

Seems about right

Almost as much as 128GB but much faster

[sudden creek]

what is considered the golden child of 24GB dies for oc?

[grizzled bloom]

Ooh I haven't really kept up on that, they keep leapfrogging each other in little ways last I checked

[sudden creek]

seems T-Group has a kit that guarentees M-die for 2x46GB 6800cl36 at $355

[grizzled bloom]

It's not the same M die as you're thinking

[sudden creek]

oh

[grizzled bloom]

Different size die, different process node, different packaging

[sudden creek]

hmm their 2x48GB 6400cl32 kit requires 1.4v vs G.Skill's ripjaws equivalent requires 1.35v

[grizzled bloom]

We're all sick with the flu at my home so give me a bit to take care of things, and I'll dive into that rabbit hole with you. I was planning on getting a 2x24 at some point, I've actually maxed out my 32GB a few times now just with Skyrim mods.

My poor 12GB VRAM didn't know what hit it...

[sudden creek]

xD

[sudden creek]

certainly

https://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Trident-CL32-39-39-102-Desktop-Computer/dp/B0D7QZ7NWF/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3HEH5R8H7R5DR&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.jdtHtJgJ_dq1s-dZIWE4-d73nra240XPmc45YiwvSj9HoWF2NBIaFq8iiaLK6BdR2_Fm3s_4rw-u-R5pkWPPyLYMoBL13PfxX1PJunWVtrQcC9uDaCHewgWD6pZ1tSjAKV88IgR-5FfIqkJZFmRCqy3iCZn0hljxVYYCox9xGR6pkF2o-5qS_-x5jqIVcl5DKCrT5wOwCUucVTtfwT93pIoTClSLeHD70BJKdfrMDqA.wCHyDOmIY489VaZ-f9NWXTfFZZ_QxoLShCYsT6cupDI&dib_tag=se&keywords=ddr5+royal+z+2x48GB&qid=1736458180&sprefix=ddr5+royal+z+2x48gb%2Caps%2C191&sr=8-2

fal it's calling my name!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DHS1T739/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1

quite tempting as well

Oh btw I am finally now tuning CCD1 (Freq)

Currently testing -28 and -23 co on cores 8 and 9.

core 8 has hit 5.85Ghz and core 9 at 5.9ghz

[sudden creek]

hmm I am starting to think trying 2 cores at the same time is not the most efficient way lmao

Dropped CO on core 8 back down to -25 and the co on core 9 to -20

[grizzled bloom]

Right so it looks like 24Gb Hynix M is the best overclocker. Like I mentioned before it can get to ridiculous speeds, even more than 16Gb Hynix A.
That's not to say the Micron 24Gb is bad, it's still easily as good as Hynix A.

[sudden creek]

So Ideally I should look for 2x48GB Hynix M dies.

[grizzled bloom]

There's a better chance of getting it if you pick a kit randomly than there is with 16Gb dies because the 24Gb M die is the oldest of it's kind. Some brands just never picked up the Micron ones for some models.

But if you can find a kit where people are confirming getting that die, even better

That's the kind of kit you can expect to carry with you through the life of DDR5 I expect

[sudden creek]

Does micron have an M die as well?

Because Teamgroup sells 2x48GB kits that they guarteened M die.

[grizzled bloom]

I'm not sure what they call the die actually

Let me see if I can get a die shot from a crucial kit, they exclusively use micron (same parent company)

[sudden creek]

having a hard time but it appears G.Skill uses mostly Hynic dies for their Z5 Royal lineup.

[grizzled bloom]

I dislike royals in general, the heatsink looks pretty but cools like ass

[sudden creek]

is it that bad?

I really want to make a crystal themed pc in the future so that sucks to hear.

Guess I will just glue some real crystals onto a copper heatspreader. think that'd work fine?

[grizzled bloom]

Gluing real crystal over an LED strip on the memory would be much better yes

With a diffuser ofc

[sudden creek]

gotcha, I have everything from quartz (multiple kinds) to saphires and emeralds for that

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-T-Create-Overclocking-6800MHz-PC5-54400/dp/B0C4NLKR5X/ref=sr_1_1?

@grizzled bloom

6800cl36 M die from teamgroup

1.4v it seems

Hold up.

[grizzled bloom]

There's very little data available on the Micron die since it apparently just launched a few months ago, and it appears to only be on the lower clocked kits right now

[sudden creek]

@grizzled bloom this listing says specifically SK-Hynix is the dies they use and in the name it says Hynix M die.
https://www.amazon.com/KingBank-Computer-Desktop-Memory-Heatsink/dp/B0DF7D42W6/ref=sr_1_1?

[grizzled bloom]

Almost every kit should be using the Hynix unless the series just launched recently

Just avoid the 5600 or less kits

[sudden creek]

So any 6400mhz 2x48GB kit should be Hynix M?

unless recently launched

[grizzled bloom]

Yep

[sudden creek]

think I should go with the teamgroup kit then?

costs $55 more but it also has a higher rated speed at 6800mhz

[grizzled bloom]

Pcpp can show if it's a new kit

[sudden creek]

How do I check?

[grizzled bloom]

It'll be the same exact kit as the 6400 but more aimed at Intel, it would probably have a lower clocked EXPO profile

[sudden creek]

expo and xmp are just pre-made profiles with some changes to the timings correct?

[grizzled bloom]

Yep

And that's what they advertise on the specs page, is the faster of those profiles

[sudden creek]

Since this kit is rated for 6800 if I can get it to +8000mhz iirc you said it should be faster than 6400 synced correct?

[grizzled bloom]

This will be mostly empty

[grizzled bloom]

Sometimes, synced is better for gaming still because higher UCLK but faster is better for work.
Maybe you could overclock twice, one synced one not, and save a profile for each?

[grizzled bloom]

I doubt you'll be hitting 8000 with a dual rank kit anyway now that I think about it

Not with current memory controllers/motherboards

[sudden creek]

synced I assume?

[grizzled bloom]

No

More memory ranks, more hard to run

[sudden creek]

rip.

[grizzled bloom]

You'll notice there's kits rated 8000+ with 2x16GB but the top rated 2x32 kit is 6800

(ignore the SP kits, they will not run that speed)

[sudden creek]

does this mean I will likely be doing 6000 or 6200mhz synced instead of my current 6400?

[grizzled bloom]

6400 is still totally doable

Even 6600 or 6800 if your UCLK was able to handle it

[sudden creek]

@grizzled bloom do you think this kit is likely old enough to be Hynix M?

[grizzled bloom]

That's when the H24M kits launched in general so yes

[sudden creek]

perfect

So I guess I know my upgrade path:

1. PSU
2. GPU either a 5080 or 5090
3. Monitor
4. Ram

[grizzled bloom]

If it was new enough for Micron then the data would start within the last few months, like October maybe

[sudden creek]

I never would've thought the day would come that I'd look at a $350 kit and think yeah that sounds about right.

[grizzled bloom]

I'd be going with the $300 g.skill kit myself, not a rgb fan (pun intended)

[sudden creek]

the ripjaws I assume?

also I missed the pun.

[grizzled bloom]

rgb fans
I don't have any

[sudden creek]

ahhh

The 6800 teamgroup kit is likely to be binned better I assume then the 6400 ripjaw kit?

[grizzled bloom]

Honestly I don't think it'll make that much difference

But if you got the 6800 kit make sure it has expo so you can build off those timings

[sudden creek]

how do I check if it has expo?

[grizzled bloom]

It should say on the product page somewhere

Just the expo badge

There we go, had to go to the Newegg page to find actual good info. Amazon can suck it.

[sudden creek]

ahh thank you.

[sudden creek]

@grizzled bloom any idea why double pressing my case's power button is the solution to getting my CPU to actually do the training and post???

[grizzled bloom]

When does it get stuck? When you cold start? Restart?

[scenic solar]

new build can find the boot file from the ssd previously installed on an amd machine. fresh windows install?

[scenic solar]

kapton tape didn't get the 1080 to work off the pcie slot. 16x, 8x, 4x, 2x and 1x all fail. maybe the missing pins that are one vccio, peg_rxp10, peg_rcomp + 2 gnd are all contributing to the gpu not showing up. bios does not recognize

[scenic solar]

would there be any way of reattaching small metal contacts to the socket without having to solder?

only alternative I can think of is using an m.2 to 16x

[sudden creek]

When I press the button to start my PC from a powered off state.

When I exit bios after saving I need to shutdown the PC first then do the whole double power thing because the board gets stuck on either the DRAM or RED/YELLOW light.

[burnt spear]

im testing something atm with my 13600k. I disabled my E cores due to the stability issues, crashing, freezing, etc ive had whenever closing games, alt tabbing, or just playing

[dull flint]

Are you stable

[burnt spear]

i thought it was gpu, but that was only half the issue. I fixed my voltage again, since I forgot to reset it when I cleared CMOS

im UVed at 1.14v

and ye stable

across the board

[dull flint]

And you weren't uv before?

[burnt spear]

not ssds not mobo not ram

I was, but at 1.325v per yours and sips instruction forever ago

[dull flint]

Ah

Wait

When did this start

Lol

[burnt spear]

cpu could be degraded

because intel

[dull flint]

No no when did it start

Lololol

[burnt spear]

i mean theres a whole list

voltage/temp issues started the day i built the pc back in 2022

[dull flint]

Ah

Ok

Cos the new microcode, undervolting is way more aggressive than before

[burnt spear]

the stability issues and such have been since 2024

not sure exactly when

[dull flint]

The voltage profiling is much more impacted due to reduced current

So like

Your usual undervolt won't work

I found this on both my own chips

[burnt spear]

im just wanting my pc to stop crashing when I alt tab in valorant comp 5 times a week

[dull flint]

Ye what I'm saying is

If you have a certain UV set method

Note that voltage is much more impactful now

1.3v static ≠ 1.3 static from before

[burnt spear]

i had compooper destructionist give me his UV

[dull flint]

You can go higher on voltage now cos the current in the chip is lower

[burnt spear]

but I went up .1v

[dull flint]

Also try something for me

[burnt spear]

I'm not worried about perf atm as much as stability

im heavily gpu limited anyways

[dull flint]

When e cores are unstable it's just game crashing not pc crashing

[burnt spear]

ive had marvel rivals crashing

[dull flint]

Try tanking ring instead of e cores for a bit

[burnt spear]

val could be smthn else but there's widespread issues of rivals on 12th-14th gen

[dull flint]

Set ring like 2.5GHz

Then try using e cores again

At like

[burnt spear]

alr

[dull flint]

3.6GHz

See if it works

[burnt spear]

i really don't need the e cores tho

[dull flint]

Some games have issues with e cores needing new anti cheat code

Idk if rivals uses anti cheat but we used to hear it a lot if you remember

[burnt spear]

ive thought for the longest time it's vals anti cheat

[dull flint]

It very well could be

[burnt spear]

vangaurd is very invasive

[dull flint]

Esp if the thread director on intel tries to reallocate cores

[burnt spear]

theres just so many different things it could be

[dull flint]

Indeed

[burnt spear]

thats why i went for a pretty drastic uv and just disabled e cores

completely rule out those factors at least ig

i was fairly sure it was my gpu when it started artifacting...

and throwing driver crashes

ill still take the 2080 ti as a $90 upgrade from the 3060 ti though

[dull flint]

If you are fine with a tanked ring and e cores at low then yeah it does sound like the 13600K is buggered

E cores off is one way to validate it

[burnt spear]

if i dont have another rivals crash we know its the ecores then

[dull flint]

The good news is you'll have a warranty

A long warranty

3 more years lol

[burnt spear]

when i started rivals, it popped up a warning saying "if you have been crashing, and have a 13th/14th gen intel cpu, click this page for further instructions" essentially

and it was like two sentences saying go to intels site it's their issue

"intel is already aware of this issue, go to their website for help" or smthn like that

[dull flint]

Oh wow they don't care part of their playerbase has issues

[burnt spear]

or it's literally just intel sucks

nothing they could do lmao

one of the two

[crystal idol]

definitely this

[bold hedge]

Trying to upgrade my ram so I can use multiple monitors. Is 32gb the recommended amount? And what speeds should I be looking for?

[burnt spear]

How many monitors you have wont affect ram usage

What cpu and motherboard do you have?

Upgrading to 32gb could still be beneficial

[bold hedge]

i5-13400f

Not sure about the MB it's a prebuilt and I can't seem to find the model number

[burnt spear]

Do you know if its ddr4 or ddr5

If not, go into task manager

[bold hedge]

4

I lied lol

2x 8GB UDIMM DDR5-5600

[burnt spear]

Alr one sec

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cCKscf/silicon-power-value-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp032gxlwu60afdeae

[grim sequoia]

Does anyone know if this exists? Or if it's going to be for sale anytime soon? They have this listed on their products, but I can't find it listed on any retail websites.
https://www.gskill.com/product/165/425/1731478018/F5-6000J3036G32GX2-TR5NS

CL30 with AMD expo and 2x32 GB, I can find different variations. But not that one which I linked

[hollow thorn]

Probably just an unreleased sku that they have around

[surreal belfry]

Best ram brand???

[meager elbow]

[surreal belfry]

And is there any ram with controllable light colors?

[meager elbow]

anything that isnt corsair basically

[surreal belfry]

Yo, was about to get corsair

Wsup with that???

[meager elbow]

their low end is terrible
their high end is fine but overpriced

out of all the ram brands, gskill probably would be one of the better brands?

[surreal belfry]

I want 32gigs of ddr5, whats the best speed, 6000?

[hollow thorn]

6000 is usually the sweet spot without tinkering

[surreal belfry]

Is there any higher speed in ddr5?

[hollow thorn]

Yes

Highest kit that's being sold is 8400 for now

[surreal belfry]

👍🏿👍🏿

And best motherboard for R5 7600x ??

[sudden creek]

Any B650 will be more then plenty.

Only reason to get a X670 or X670E is for the extra PCIE lanes such as extra M.2 slots, X4/X16 slots.

[dull flint]

^Indeed

Though also a couple asrock A620's also make the list

Basically B650's with locked features if you pick the right ones

They have decent heatsinks so it's easy to tell which ones (pro rs, lightning itx)

[grizzled bloom]

Except Asus Prime models, they're the only ones to avoid in general

[burnt spear]

theres some others to avoid, like b650m-p or b650-s wifi

[surreal belfry]

Msi b650 gaming + wifi????

[sudden creek]

yep that's more than enough for a 7700X

[surreal belfry]

👍🏿👍🏿

Wsup with CL in rams🗣️⁉️

[hollow thorn]

Cas latency, lower is better

[burnt spear]

Pro rs wifi is better

[dull flint]

Not the uber cheap white one

The uber cheap white one can basically only do a 7600X, it's cheap rubbish

[sly moth]

I have been reading up, and it sounds like CPU also determines what kind of RAM you should get? Like 5200, for example.

[burnt spear]

you should get 6000c30

[hollow thorn]

The CPU can matter with how hard you can push the imc, but for the usual 2x16, something like 6000c30 should work on all current chips

[dull flint]

What a time to be in for ram

"I'm buying a brand new platform what ram do I need?"
"Anything that says 6000 CL30 is perfect" like what doesn't follow that rule without much thought apart from unusual capacities? LOL

[distant gulch]

gotta grab my 8 gigs of ddr2 for a couple bucks

[scenic solar]

i just updated the bios on my msi b550 and lost the entire configuration. I don't remember what I had enabled for my 5600x, but now it's not doing good in cinebench multicore despite having enabled pbo (twice?) for some reason my mb has two pbo sections that look almost identical and share some settings.

and it just crashed cinebench

also it's running 78W max, iirc it used to go up to 105W or so

single core is fine, boost is OK and consumption is reasonable, 1530 points. multicore gets 10700

[grizzled bloom]

Yes there's 2 sections for overclocking. One is created by the motherboard vendor, and the other is created by AMD directly and tends to have more options but is also less organized.

They both affect the same settings, whichever is the last one you changed is the one that's applied.

[sly moth]

ok, got it. thanks for the info. 6000c30 it is (when I get some RAM).

[distant gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cCKscf/silicon-power-value-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp032gxlwu60afdeae

[sly moth]

ooh, thank you @distant gulch

[distant gulch]

Np

[wind light]

Does anyone knows when asrock b850 SL pre-ordered will be shipped?

[grizzled bloom]

Nope. No one here works in the shipping department. Even the admins are just customer relations. Sadly that means we can't answer that.

[wind light]

Thanks anyway 🤠

[scenic solar]

got it, any clue why multicore is worse than average scores? maybe it has something to do with all cores boost freq, it only goes up 4.2GHz. maybe I had it go up to 4.6 both singlecore and multicore load

[grizzled bloom]

PBO advanced and set +200 and motherboard power limits is my suggestion

[golden pike]

sup bro s

so its 100% confirmed that the 9950x3D will be only better than 9950x with no drawbacks?

[grizzled bloom]

The 3D vcache CCD will be slightly lower frequency out of the box but it supports overclocking now so that's easy to fix. With about 15 minutes of effort and a reasonable cooler it can be made equal or better than the 9950X in every way.

[tender sleet]

Hold on @grizzled bloom

Dual CCD X3D is valid now?

[grizzled bloom]

In theory it was always a valid config

They did it on epyc already

But I think I see what you're saying, how you needed the frequency CCD to make up for the shortcomings of X3D before but you don't now

[tender sleet]

That's actually super cool

And now you can
In theory
Have both CCDs Vcached and not actually lose any performance

Future simulator games will love that

[dull flint]

The caveat being it does basically nothing of benefit to the CPU so AMD can't be bothered to spend on having it*

[dull flint]

Interccd latency has a lot to say in this scenario

[tender sleet]

It does depend on that but also on how well the game would utilize all cores

Ultimately right now 8 cores is enough for 99% of games

Cities Skylines 2 is the exception not the norm

[scenic solar]

i may have solved a few problems, i reenabled pbo and left all its settings to auto, it now boosts 4.55GHz all core load and draws 110W total with 15W per core.

i also took the time to repaste and figured out my cooler wasn't tightened correctly for over one year :PepeRealizes:

no wonder it used to thermal throttle

in fact reviews on this cooler said it could handle over 150W cpus... apparently it was just a silly mistake of mine

11450 cb r23

[indigo wraith]

my friend is looking to upgrade
from a intel i5 (7th gen i think?) and a gtx 1050 ti

1. 7600X + 16gb ram
2. 5700X3D + 16/32gb of ram
3. 5600x +16gb + 6700XT (used)
   all with new mobos ofc

[burnt spear]

Whats the budget for the upgrade?

[indigo wraith]

410 euros although prices will be different here

also to emphasise only option 3 uses the full budget

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pxQs89

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yRv7C8

[indigo wraith]

other ones have some left over

[burnt spear]

What country if you dm me asking?

[indigo wraith]

Macedonia

[indigo wraith]

i mean thats one of the options?

and also tbf wouldnt he get a bottlneck upgrading cpu only?

[burnt spear]

Yes but a bottleneck isn't a bad thing, it just means he has room to upgrade the gpu later on

[indigo wraith]

yes but also

[burnt spear]

What ram and motherboard options are there?

[indigo wraith]

money is tight

[burnt spear]

For 7600/x

[indigo wraith]

he could get stuck on that a while

[burnt spear]

Whats the gpu?

[indigo wraith]

1050 ti

Do you want me to send you a pc retailer website?

[burnt spear]

What about 5600x with 32gb used ddr4 and the 6700xt

[indigo wraith]

its available in english and with euros

[burnt spear]

Sure

[indigo wraith]

He could maybe get 32gb of ddr4 new

just hed have to save up a tiny bit more

which shouldnt be a major issue

https://www.anhoch.com/

[burnt spear]

Ddr4 is just relatively cheap and he'd want 32gb at some point or another

So better to now than later

[indigo wraith]

top right to switch language and currency

where it says mk and mkd

[grizzled bloom]

With the way things are currently, you can use FSR to upscale many harder to run games so they run even on a 1050 ti, which will in turn increase the CPU load, so I do agree that the CPU should take upgrade priority here.

[indigo wraith]

while i agree yes

here

it is not easy to save up like it is in many foreign countries

with the average pay being 500 euros

and us also being unemployed

its not as easy to save up for a gpu down the line

[burnt spear]

I'd say 5600x
https://www.anhoch.com/products/mb-msi-a520ma-pro-am4-ddr4-4600mhz-oc-sata3-m2-usb-32-hdmidvi-gbit-lan-1031

https://www.anhoch.com/products/dimm-32gb-ddr4-3200mhz-kingston-fury-beast-kit-cl16-2x16-2948

One sec on another option

[indigo wraith]

first one isnt in stock

but we decided on a b650 elite by aorus

thats like 100 bucks

[indigo wraith]

for 10 bucks more he can get 3600mhz

[burnt spear]

thats am5

that wont work with a 5600x

[indigo wraith]

sorry my mistake

b550

elite

[burnt spear]

id suggest a cheaper mobo to spend more money on cpu or ram personally

mobo wont affect cpu perf past a certain point

[indigo wraith]

in this case the difference is so miniscule that it cant even make an upgrade in either department

i had the option to go 5700x3d but i just went 5600x cause most likely the 5700x3d wouldve made me upgrade my mobo

and also double the price

[burnt spear]

theres also the 7500f https://www.anhoch.com/products/cpu-amd-ryzen-5-7500f-6core-37ghz-am5-33mb-tray-wo-cooler-2177
https://www.anhoch.com/products/mb-msi-pro-b650mb-am5-ddr5-6800-plus-mhz-oc-sata3-m2-usb32-25gbit-lan-pcie-40-vgahdmi-1265
https://www.anhoch.com/products/dimm-16gb-ddr5-5600mhz-kingston-fury-beast-cl36-expo-2383

[indigo wraith]

now im just getting my hands on a gpu and ive completed an insane upgrade for 380

[burnt spear]

this is better ram tho https://www.anhoch.com/products/dimm-16gb-ddr5-6000mhz-kingston-fury-renegade-cl32-0805

[indigo wraith]

fair enough

that leaves 100 in his budget

[burnt spear]

could maybe wait a bit on gpu?

7500f matches the 5700x3d/7600

which is weird

its a 7600x with a 400mhz downclock and no igpu, but that makes a 1-2% performance difference

It doesnt come with a cooler tho

[indigo wraith]

TBF basically all the options except 3 leave like 50-100 in budget

Oh yeah fair point the 5700x3d is a tray model

I can hook him up with an AMD stock cooler for that though

I have 2 laying around

[burnt spear]

Won't cool the 5700x3d, but fine for the 7500f

[indigo wraith]

Would just a basic air cooler cool it?

[burnt spear]

Itd need a solid dual tower

Like an id cooling a620

[indigo wraith]

Arctic freezer 34?

[burnt spear]

Maybe

[sudden creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os-jXiYRihI

[wind karma]

5700x3d is fine on a single tower

[grizzled bloom]

Yes it's lower power and clocks than the 5800X3D so a solid single tower is good enough

But if you wanted to unlock that power to close the gap in performance to the 5800X3D you do want a dual tower at least

[wind karma]

For gaming I dunno if dual tower would matter much; iirc amd locked down pbo a bit on the x3d cpus

Then again a dual tower doesn't cost much more and could be more easily reused with a higher wattage cpu

[dull flint]

5700X3D and 5800X3D are very concentrated to one ccd for heat

So even with the stock tdp they get quite hot

Better cooling does help

But it's a bit similar to the 7800X3D situation, where it's a very cool cpu (in one sense) that gets minimal impact running lower spec cooling (say itx lp coolers)

Just the 7800X3D is more exaggerated in practice, much smaller difference

Then 9800X3D is far better than both, with flipped vcache

Hence why you can crank it to 160W for a single ccd chip

Clocks on ryzen make a very small difference on ryzen, cache and ram do a lot more, so prochot throttling isn't as big of a problem like intel's hard throttling outside of tvb

[shy bear]

On a 7800X3D, Strix x670E-E would I likely have an issue running 6400MHz of ram? And what are the downsides of running 4 sticks of those ram?

The ram in question

[sudden creek]

Yes. Issue is the CPU not the board.

[sudden creek]

4 sticks is a horrible idea for gaming and even more productive workloads. The slots share a connection so populating all of them will increase your latency tremendously and force you to reduce your speed likely down to 5400mhz.

[sudden creek]

6400cl32 dual sticks probably yes. Granted those are 2x16 you have a somewhat better chance.

[indigo wraith]

Would it be a decent idea to upgrade my 5600x to a 5700x3d?

[sudden creek]

Maybe a 10-15% increase in performance for gaming.

[indigo wraith]

i could upgrade my mobo and cpu for about 100 bucks (if i sell them to a friend)

[wind karma]

If you buy it from aliexpress for a good price, yes. Otherwise it's probably better to sell cpu+mobo and go AM5

oh you're not US, my bad

[indigo wraith]

its like 50 bucks more than aliexpress to get it locally and not bother with my countries terrible post (or even the chance of taxes)

while yes am5 is an option

it will also cost a lot more

cause of DDR5

mobo and cpu are bout the same price as for a 7600x

[wind karma]

aliexpress prices aren't amazing rn anyways 183USD - 20 coupon is still 163USD :( Glad i grabbed mine for $135 after coupon

[indigo wraith]

here its 199 usd

to pick up from a store

tray model like ali express

[wind karma]

not too bad. How much would a 7600 + mobo and ram be?

[sudden creek]

5700x3D would be a moderate uplift in gaming. Productivity might see a minor reduction. If you can get a 7600X combo that would be much better.

Would also give you the upgrade path for 9000/11000 series

[indigo wraith]

7600x is 203 bucks + 118 for a b650 (about the same price as the AM4 b550) + 100 for 32gbs of ram

doubling the upgrade cost cause of ram

[sudden creek]

What country are you in?

[indigo wraith]

i hate anti swear

im riding till am6 with this 🗣️

[indigo wraith]

macedonia

[sudden creek]

Ahh I have no idea what the market is like around there.

[indigo wraith]

you want a tech retailer

that can be put into english and euros?

[sudden creek]

Any micro centers?

[indigo wraith]

hell nawh

[indigo wraith]

https://www.anhoch.com/

top right to change language and currency

where it says MK and MKD

[meager elbow]

microcenter is US only lol

[wind karma]

so, 421 for am5 vs 199 for 5700x3d. Depends on how much you could sell the 5600x + mobo + ram for

[sudden creek]

Yikes yeah the pricing isn't great.

[indigo wraith]

im not selling my ram lol

[wind karma]

and *parts of the US lol

[indigo wraith]

and no its like 300 for the 5700x3d cause of the mobo upgrade

A series mobo will not like a 105w tdp chip

[sudden creek]

Wasn't micro center saying they were going to expand into places like Mexico?

[wind karma]

I'm doing it as we speak

[indigo wraith]

that sounds criminal

[wind karma]

might depend on the specific model though

[meager elbow]

macedonia is in europe though

[indigo wraith]

my 5600x is actually quite new, not even a month old

but my friend is looking to upgrade

so 🗣️

[wind karma]

what GPU you got? and what resolution monitor?

[sudden creek]

I understand. But my point is I thought they started expanding.

[indigo wraith]

im waiting on a 6800xt to buy from a dude

and 1080p for now but eventually 2k

[wind karma]

6800xt at 1440p is probably fine on a 5600x tbh

[meager elbow]

from my knowledge, microcenter hasnt opened any stores outside of the US yet

maybe they're planning on it, or even in construction, but nothing open yet at least

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

[indigo wraith]

its more about longevity

also yeah the dude that im buying it from used a 5600x lol

[sudden creek]

Longevity wise you'd be better off waiting and going AM5.

Enjoy the 5600x till you have enough saved up for a valuable upgrade.

[wind karma]

Yeah I'd just stick with this for now and reevaluate later

[indigo wraith]

i dont think you realise how rarely i upgrade lol

[sudden creek]

5600X to 5700x3D is just a minor bump in fps and mostly 1% low upgrade

[indigo wraith]

this pc hasnt been majorly modified since it was bought in 2018

[sudden creek]

Best make your next upgrade a good one then.

[indigo wraith]

well the 6800xt and the 5600x are that upgrade

lol

from a 1060 3gb and 1300x

[sudden creek]

You have your answer then.

[indigo wraith]

cause my question is for later down the line

[sudden creek]

2-3 years from now there won't be any good reason let alone valuable reason to stay on AM4.

[indigo wraith]

No I meant how well a 5700x3d will last versus a 5600x

[sudden creek]

About the same

[indigo wraith]

Cause Reddit has a million people doing the same upgrade

[sudden creek]

The only noticable difference you will find between the two are the 1% lows.

[indigo wraith]

I mean I'll probably see some decent differences in the competitive games I play but those are already super high fps

[sudden creek]

From a FPS standpoint if the 5600X gets you 100fpd the 5700x3D will probably get you 110fps.

Not very noticeable.

[indigo wraith]

In Val it's actually a 500fps to 800fls

But not like that matters

[sudden creek]

Exactly

[indigo wraith]

And I think r6 has like a 100fps climb

400 to 500

I'm excited for the GPU tho

For once in my life I get to crank the settings

(who am I lying to I still crank them in older games)

[sudden creek]

Same thing. The fps is so high that unless you go spend $1000 on a monitor you won't even notice.

[indigo wraith]

Yeah and as resolution climbs so does the demand on gpu

So it evens out

[sudden creek]

Mhmm.

[indigo wraith]

My friend upgraded his 5600x to a 9800x3d and the difference was insane lol

[sudden creek]

This backs my point in that the only noticable difference are your 1% lows

The frame stutters.

[indigo wraith]

No FPS changes but from a 90% load to like 30

[indigo wraith]

Is it worth it for that then

[sudden creek]

That highly depends on how bad your stuttering is which I do not have knowledge on regarding 5000 series.

[indigo wraith]

For what I'm playing rn I don't have stutters and my monitor is 60hz to even realise the 1% lows

[sudden creek]

Yeah no

[indigo wraith]

And Valhalla only runs at 53 FPS on low on my GPU anyway

[sudden creek]

Absolutely not then

Stuttering is only worth considering yourself with when you are playing at high frame rates. For example 144 dipping down to 100

If your stuttering is within 10% of your avg frame rate it's likely just the game being inefficient regarding rendering the scenes.

[indigo wraith]

I haven't been monitoring my FPS in games

Fortnite has terrible 1% lows compared to peaks but that's Fortnite being Fortnite essentially

[sudden creek]

Yes/no.

I play a lot and it has to do with how your settings are done.

[indigo wraith]

Brother I rock full low on everything there is nothing to change on my settings

[sudden creek]

If you switch your reflections from screenplspace only to lumen it stabilizes it a lot

Lower fps but very consistent

[indigo wraith]

That's not even an option in performance mode

[sudden creek]

This is on your 5600X?

[indigo wraith]

Ya

[sudden creek]

Or your former system

[indigo wraith]

My former system is my current system and also 1300x had freezes so the game was unplayable

[sudden creek]

Have you considered disabling performance mode and doing the settings manually?

[indigo wraith]

Nah because 360fps with lows of like 100 doesn't affect me

[sudden creek]

I suggest capping your food if your are experiencing freezes

Fps

Not food

Damn Autocorrect

[indigo wraith]

That's on the 1300x

Ain't no amount of capping FPS saving that thing

Froze for like 5 seconds anytime anything happened

[sudden creek]

Yikes.

[indigo wraith]

That's what 4c/4t clocked at a whopping 3.5ghz turbo to 3.7 gets you

[sudden creek]

Well anyways, the 5700x3D will age better but not by much. By the time your 5600X feels like it needs replacing more than likely your 5700x3D will as eell

[indigo wraith]

Fair enough then

She'll do the job

Do the 2 extra cores change much?

[sudden creek]

Save that $200 and put it towards a good $500 upgrade

[sudden creek]

For most games essentially nothing.

[indigo wraith]

It was more like a 100 bucks out of my own pocket

[indigo wraith]

I mean some dude was telling me to get a 5800x instead cause on WoW it was booty

[sudden creek]

Fortnite and some other games can use the extra cores but it's a small difference.

[indigo wraith]

But I don't play allat

[indigo wraith]

Monitor 🗣️

[sudden creek]

Mhmm there are some decent QHD panels for $200 lately

That would be a much better upgrade

[indigo wraith]

Yeah there's quite a few

Samsung Odessey G5 is a decent option for now

[sudden creek]

#old-monitors-and-tv they will give you the best options for your budget

[indigo wraith]

There's also a few others

[indigo wraith]

They operate on other prices which is a pain

I have a list of a few

Once I get around to buying it I'll ask around

[naive pendant]

hi. i need 2 figure out the best amd cpu for my needs >.<
im looking 4 the best in class, no matter the expense + a mobo to go with it
i have been on a 13th gen i5 for the past year
all my other specs are:
4070ti
64gb 6400mhz ram
1tb samsung 990
2tb crucial
corsair h100i elite
i want the best for gaming, specifically rust, with a matching mobo :D also cooler if needed, 240mm rad

[sudden creek]

What is your budget?

[grizzled bloom]

For just gaming, you want the 9800X3D. Absolute best, no competition.

[sudden creek]

What Fal'cie says is true. As for the board most B650 boards can handle it just fine so it comes down to how much storage you need.

[grizzled bloom]

You seem like the kind of person that would appreciate wifi 7. There's cheaper motherboards that will work just as well. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3t2Jnp

[naive pendant]

no budget.

i want best in class no matter the cost, i can afford it now

[naive pendant]

sweet, ill check it out

[sudden creek]

9800x3D is currently the fastest CPU for gaming.

Gaming specifically.

[grizzled bloom]

Most likely even once the 9950X3D comes out, the 9800X3D will still beat it because of the way the architecture works.

[sudden creek]

even if the game is set to only use ccd0?

[naive pendant]

sweet. what cooler would yall recommend

liquid 240mm

[shy bear]

Are we talking refusal to post? Or blue screens/instability

Talking 2 dimms at this point

[grizzled bloom]

Yes. Core parking has gotten better but it's still not perfect.

[sudden creek]

Both are possible.

[grizzled bloom]

Any color or style preference? Infinity mirror, LCD on the CPU block, etc is possible at a reasonable price these days.

[sudden creek]

Most of 7000 series can run 6000mhz without issue with 2 dimms 2x16

@shy bear anything higher is not likely.

[grizzled bloom]

2x16 is single rank, dual channel

[sudden creek]

Corrected myself.

[grizzled bloom]

Yep there we go, good catch

[sudden creek]

We have had quite a few people struggle to get 6200 and even fewer 6400 to work in #overclocking

@grizzled bloom you run 6200 if I recall right?

[grizzled bloom]

6200 is often easy enough to achieve but no one sells a 6200 kit so you'd need to tune it manually

Yes I'm at 6200

I can post 6400 but it's not stable

[sudden creek]

Afaik I am the only one here that can get 6400 to post stable

Luck of the draw.

[grizzled bloom]

Besides the people that have multiple samples and bin them for XOC you mean

[sudden creek]

True

Though I doubt @shy bear plans to spend the thousands of dollars for that

[grizzled bloom]

Oh yeah it's totally not worth buying 20 CPUs just to get a top 10% chip

Real world difference with a top 10% chip is about 2%

[sudden creek]

to small to have any value other than personal entertainment

@shy bear long story short, buy a 6000mhz 2x16/2x24/2x32 kit and you should be fine. Anything faster I wouldn't count on working.

Avoid CORSAIR

[naive pendant]

id like an lcd

[meager elbow]

There is absolutely a reason why silicon lottery shut down; it's due to binning not being worth it anymore

Intel and AMD got too good at binning their chips 😔

[grizzled bloom]

They had delid services too but even that became too high risk

[meager elbow]

True, with all new chips being soldered on

[grizzled bloom]

Either of these would be a good choice https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/n9RwrH,6Lqrxr/

[sudden creek]

@grizzled bloom seems I have finally gotten CCD0 to stablize. Bit annoyed I had to reduce core 7 to -5 to survive idle crashes

it's survived all of last night and today no issues

all core effective clocks went from 4.7 to 4.65 average

@grizzled bloom, @dull flint should I be concerned by this?

[meager elbow]

That is a bit concerningly high

Normal for p95 stress tests though I believe? See if it gets that high from regular stress tests

It also could be a false reading considering all the other values

Average die shouldn't be higher than tctl/tdie

[grizzled bloom]

That very much seems like a false reading

[sudden creek]

No stress tests

Just browsing and gaming

Temps when gaming were very modest

The 72.4c was from when I ran CC and VST3 for a bit earlier this morning

[sudden creek]

So no need for me to be alarmed?

[grizzled bloom]

Right, that happens most often when more than one thing tries to poll a sensor at the same time. So if you have ryzen master open while hwinfo is running for example.

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

[sudden creek]

-25 on core 8 posted and no errors.

I changed the TJMAX from 95c to 89c, temps remained within margin of error however my clocks appear to be be more stable.

that last score in vst3 was because I started using the pc

[sudden creek]

Core 8 is CC, VST3, CR24, and Aida Cache stable.

going to try -35

[sudden creek]

I just realized I put this in the wrong channel.

[shy bear]

Heard. Thanks a bunch guys

[sudden creek]

happy to help

[shy bear]

She is complete

...almost. Still got some customization accessories on the way. @sudden creek you helped me decide to keep my 7900xt and water cool it later down the line lol

Processor 7800x3d just came in today and I can't wait to attempt my first overclocks 🙃 you shall be hearing from me soon

[dull belfry]

between the i7-14700K and the Core Ultra 7 265KF which would u guys reccomend? I do a lot of productivity stuff (illustrator, photoshop, etc.). are the instability issues on the 14th gens still an issue? i heard they were resolved. but i saw a lot of complains on the ultra too.

[dull flint]

14700KF easily

2 reasons

1st is newest bios assures the cpu is safe

We haven't seen issues since 0x12B released

2nd is value per dollar older intel wins by a mile

So like, whatever you spend on intel ultra needs a LOT more compared to the older cpus

Ultra performance is a bit meh as well, considering you spend more

Quick sync is good if you do video editing, that's Intel's nice little extra bonus

But if you're not video editing, tbh even the ryzen chips are decent prices

[dull belfry]

Thank you so much, I appreciate that.

yeah i was considering the Ryzen 9 7900X too

[dull flint]

Also

13th gen is fine btw

If it's much cheaper it's easily worth

13th and 14th basically run exactly the same

Only 14700K is the unique change with 4 more e cores

Rest don't change at all

[dull flint]

Non-X is also decent

The 7900 might be nice if it's just work

[sudden creek]

[sudden creek]

I have the 7950x3D so I can relay some information on that. The 7000 series X3D chips can't be overclocked in the typical sense. What you do is enabled PBO and adjust the Curve Optimizer values so that it can maintain it's stock boost for longer rather than short bursts at above stock.

[dull flint]

Oh wait

Wrong person

Nvm

Ah I need to rest my eyes

[ripe tartan]

What’s your mobo

[meager elbow]

silicon power generally is good value

[burnt spear]

Whats your current build?

Are you upgrading piece by piece?

[ripe tartan]

Ram depends on motherboard, which depends on cpu.

[burnt spear]

Ah ok. What's your intended budget?

[grizzled bloom]

And the current is...

Most likely you'd want to go DDR5 which won't be compatible with anything that old

[burnt spear]

Gaming? And is that just the pc itself, or do you need everything like a monitor, keyboard, and mouse?

[grizzled bloom]

So it comes back to which CPU and mobo you want to get, which determines which RAM you can get

[burnt spear]

We could probably narrow it down to a more specified list if you want, but
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/W4GBrM

Could do a cheaper gpu
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6gZXsY/powercolor-fighter-oc-radeon-rx-7700-xt-12-gb-video-card-rx-7700-xt-12g-foc

[grizzled bloom]

Midrange

Upper midrange would be about $1600-1800

High end more like $2000-3000

[meager elbow]

buying used parts will help you lower costs down, but that takes more effort and searching for people selling it

and possibly negotiating prices with sellers, and with some level of risk compared to buying new

specific parts, used gpu is ususally the main part that people get, as that is also often the most expensive single part in a gaming/graphics orientated pc

[burnt spear]

Just as an example
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WsBgPJ

Cpu would have to be used, and ofc a used gpu would bring cost down

You'd have to look for it used, it's currently only sold by third party retailers and is overpriced

9800x3d at $480

Stock is iffy, but it goes in and out of stock so you should be able to snag one with a little bit of patience

It's a scam seller on amazon

The seller listing the $400 one has 10 reviews

It's a new storefront and you won't receive anything

[shy bear]

I'll have to look into what the hell any of that means

[shy wyvern]

Does AMD play nice with 24GB dimms?

[tender sleet]

Seems to be fine

But honestly they're kinda pointless for gaming only

32 gigs is plenty for anything other than Star Citizen

[shy wyvern]

I already have them

Intel is giving me RMA troubles I'mma just get rid of the CPU and board

Like it's to the point that I'd rather just throw the CPU in the trash then try and fight them any longer. Been like 3.5 months. Tried to claim that the CPU looked "counterfeit" and some nonsense I'm just tired and going to switch to AMD and sell the motherboard

[dull flint]

Wtf

Send an email to GN

He will LOVE that

Not even joking

That sort of stuff he will buy if the story is good

I'd do it just to try

I think the email is

[e-mail]?

Double check that lol

He might offer to buy it, he's been doing that a fair bit lately for interesting stories

Like the exploded 9800x3d

[shy wyvern]

I'll give it a shot, I even have the microcenter receipt too but they said they can't "validate" my purchase

[dull flint]

What

With a microcenter receipt

Are they high

Wtf

Have you contacted microcenter at all about it

That sounds ridiculous

How are you supposed to know it's counterfeit

[shy wyvern]

Yeah it's been hell. I have ecores disabled and it downclocked to 4.2GHz with -.65V on the vcore to get it to function

[dull flint]

Let alone it being counterfeit????

Wtf

I highly encourage you to email gn

That's stupid

[shy wyvern]

Yes, and microcenter gave me a signed statement saying they sold me it

[dull flint]

Ask someone else to take up the rma case

Absolutely ridiculous

[dull flint]

INSANE

[shy wyvern]

They said I could return it but if I do it to the original microcenter store

[dull flint]

HOW IS INTEL.DENYING IT

[shy wyvern]

But I live in Georgia

Not colorado anymore

[dull flint]

I vaguely remember this story

[shy wyvern]

It's a launch batch, think it's severely oxidized

[dull flint]

That's insane

Send GN the email

[shy wyvern]

I complained a few months ago here about this and it's still the same

It's gotten way worse I legit have a -.65V offset and ecores off

[dull flint]

Micro center wants the original store return cos their books are balanced on different requisites so it's both a monetary and law requirement

Can you mail the cpu to them?

[shy wyvern]

They said they do not do mailed electronics due to risk of damage

Which is stupid the thing is borderline defective

But I assume it's because they mail it to Intel after

[dull flint]

How has this story gotten to this point

Wtf

Please email gn

This is insane

[shy wyvern]

At some point it's not even worth the $400 CPU

[dull flint]

Absolutely

[shy wyvern]

I'm tired boss

[dull flint]

But GN might buy it to take up the story

Worth a shot man

[shy wyvern]

I've been waiting for 9800X3D restock at microcenter I just want to get this thing over with

Microcenter has been rather helpful they just can't do much since I moved after buying the CPU

They really earned my trust after this

[dull flint]

Do you know anyone who could return it for you

Maybe seek out someone you know in colorado

Send it to them with a copy of the receipt

Or rather the original

Just to not mess this up

Someone you trust

They can return it as an agent

But only if they don't require yoyr credit card

[shy wyvern]

They said I don't even need the receipt, just my microcenter account, because I had lost the initial receipt

[dull flint]

You're SOL if they need that

Oh ok

[shy wyvern]

They said they log all purchases on the microcenter account

Even in store

[dull flint]

So you need a meat body to stand in line basically

Do you still know anyone in colorado

[shy wyvern]

Yeah but not well enough to bug without enticing then monetarily

At that point if it's going to cut into the $400 I'll get back

[dull flint]

Mmmm

[shy wyvern]

Why go through the effort?

[dull flint]

Ok fair enough

Idk just tryna brainstorm

[shy wyvern]

I'm so exhausted from this whole thing I just want to literally strap the CPU to a spare firework rocket in my garage from new years

And send it away

[dull flint]

Well at the very least email gn

I have a strong feeling he'd have a field day with this

[shy wyvern]

I can do that

[dull flint]

I'm amazed you even have a signed statement from micro center and they still suspected counterfeit

What a load of crap

[shy wyvern]

They said the serial number I gave doesn't show as an actual unit? But it's the serial number from the CPU and the receipt

Like it's literally on the damn CPU IHS like what do you want from me

[dull flint]

Then wtf is it if not a number

Do you have the box

There's several numbers

[shy wyvern]

Why would I have kept the box

And they said the S/N number

Which is on the receipt

And the IHS

[dull flint]

Let me check something

Brb

No the batch and s-spec # is on the cpu ihs

Not S/N

Ok I just learned a thing

The batch # is an 8 digit code

The SN is

Hold on

13 digits

S-spec is 5

The QR print might be the S/N? I don't have a way to check that

I have a box and a pic of my cpu handy

Does the microcenter receipt show a 13 digit sn @shy wyvern ?

If it's only 8 it's not an SN it seems

[shy wyvern]

Lemme go grab it but also read some of these horror stories

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/s/rkUj2qNr8p

[dull flint]

I've read that

I've heard that before but it's frankly BS

[shy wyvern]

It's literally right there

[dull flint]

Their process requires an SN, but the SN is only on the box is a fatal mistake

Ok yeah they're f'd up

[shy wyvern]

And it shows up UNDER THE WARRANTY PAGE

So I wanna ask you something

[dull flint]

That's a 13 digit code

You are completely justified

Say no more

[shy wyvern]

How tf is it "never purchased" if it says warranty is active ON THEIR WEBSITE

[dull flint]

LOL

Please email gn

[shy wyvern]

Warranty would not say active if it never moved right????

[dull flint]

They'd make such a good video

This would be so good

[shy wyvern]

Unless they did automatic warranty for all launch batch?

[dull flint]

You'd get so much redemption for this

[dull flint]

If not real yeah for sure

They've messed up

Cos you can definitively prove it's real

You have a receipt, item in hand

How tf are they expecting more

[shy wyvern]

I literally have a receipt with the S/N and the batch numbers match and everything

[dull flint]

Yep send all this to GN man

There's no way, under what I know about US law (Granted state to state variance) you have done this wrong

[shy wyvern]

They asked me for the box too but like

I want to ask you something

[dull flint]

No box

I get it

[shy wyvern]

Would you have expected a cpu to fail after 2 years???

[dull flint]

Ofc not

[shy wyvern]

I figured I would've upgraded before I ran into this problem

[dull flint]

Anyway let's tone it down a notch here, I think you're completely in the right

Send this all off to gn's tip email

[shy wyvern]

I have a cor 2 quad Q6600 still working I never thought I'd need the box

[dull flint]

I am almost certain he'd pick this up

[shy wyvern]

Any news on microcenter restocks for 9800X3D? I really want one

I feel like I'mma be waiting forever

[dull flint]

Sir this is newegg

Haha

But actually

I've heard wind that February it gets better

Take that with salt

Anything can happen

[shy wyvern]

Will Newegg have motherboard discounts when you buy a CPU? Microcenter be giving me $80 credit to pair the two

[dull flint]

I couldn't tell ya I don't work for newegg lad

Sorry

MC is usually good

I wouldn't steer away from them

They need to pay me to say otherwise lmao

[shy wyvern]

It's also a 45 minute drive and I'm lazy most days

[dull flint]

I can't help ya with that man lol

I will say this tho

[shy wyvern]

But at this point I think I'd pick up a 9800X3D from the moon to get away from this demon CPU

[dull flint]

9800X3D

Huge jump for 4090

I've witnessed it first hand

[shy wyvern]

Soon 5090 when they come back in stock

[dull flint]

Massive jump

[shy wyvern]

But I also play at 4K so idk if the jump will be that big

[dull flint]

Personal take they look really poor rn even at 4K

You wanna see prices

^supposedly

[shy wyvern]

Brother I own a 4090 why would I care, I bought this 4090 scalped for $2200

Back in November 2022

[dull flint]

Quote "Single digit stock" for major retailers for 5090

I really wouldn't hope to get a good price for one just saying

Your choice

My two cents

[shy wyvern]

My local microcenter is asking people to not start camping until 8pm the 29th and I'm like

[dull flint]

Lol

I mean good luck but I haven't been disappointed this much in a tech launch since 14th gen tbh

Before that 11th gen

2080Ti...

[shy wyvern]

Honestly I was only hoping for a 25% jump

[dull flint]

Pretty bad ones tbh

[dull flint]

25 is optimistic considering most tests are FE vs FE

[hollow thorn]

For ocuk right now yea, but should be in the context that they're expecting more before launch

[shy wyvern]

And I will be selling my 4090 on top

[dull flint]

They're hoping double digits by launch

Lol

It's not just ocuk btw

[hollow thorn]

Yea, still very low but they're expecting shipments still

[dull flint]

I found a couple retailers

The prices above explain why I heard 2800 for aud prices

Absolutely insane

I'm sticking with my 1750 suprim thx lol

[hollow thorn]

It kinda puts into context why AMD said they wanted some time to put products on shelves lol

[shy wyvern]

Did the 4090 ever come back in stock over the generation?

[dull flint]

Yes

It got as low as about 1400 iirc

Most of the time 1600-1700

For a long time the suprim was 1750 and that was often the best purchase

[shy wyvern]

I remember they were still out of stock 8 months after launch

Maybe it'll be that long for me

[dull flint]

Mmmm I don't have a clear chronology of it tbh

I do remember they didn't have stock issues like covid

Not by a mile

They spent a lot of the time at or near msrp

Actually

I remember about

14? Months ago

A 7800X3D pc + 4090 was $2450 usd

At the time they were about $1600-$1650

So yes they did (ig at least eventually) get to msrp

Then it wasn't until a few months ago they shot up to 2000+

[shy wyvern]

I have the Trinity OC model ($1799) and I bought it for $2200 2 weeks after launch

[hollow thorn]

Now we have to see if people get more or less excited about AI

[dull flint]

Fr

I'm really turned off tho personally

[hollow thorn]

I'm sure we're tired but we're not exactly the average person lol

[dull flint]

The 4090 offered with fg almost 4x a 3090 for 100 more

So even with the whole ai thing

I'm turned off lmao

[shy wyvern]

Oh I can't stand the weird ghosting effect of frame gen

It's not even the latency

[hollow thorn]

If people get more excited about AI, it's more likely that the prices are gonna keep rising without much performance

[dull flint]

Instead I can just look forward to usable FG with dlss 4 and reflex 2

And 4090 this gen

[shy wyvern]

I can play games at 30/40fps modes just fine on my PS5 pro

[hollow thorn]

Dlss4 is supposed to somewhat fix that for non-mfg fg

[dull flint]

Yeah

Transformative models

[shy wyvern]

So latency doesn't bug me

[dull flint]

It's supposedly a huge improvement according to reviews

[shy wyvern]

It's the weird artifacting that specifically dlss frame gen has

[dull flint]

And reflex 2 fixes the latency problem

[shy wyvern]

It's not really ghosting it's more of a "smear" that affects the colors of objects behind them

[hollow thorn]

Unfortunately optimization is going to go down the toilet with framegen becoming more mainstream

[shy wyvern]

I'm more excited for DLSS getting better

I love DLSS Quality it often looks on par or better than native depending on the game

DLAA is wizardry

[dull flint]

Suppose if the ai multiplication gets so stupid fast we can always have decent frames and just weird effects

[shy wyvern]

I play cod with DLAA and it legitimately is beautiful

[dull flint]

Lmao

[dull flint]

Hm on forza I didn't like it tbh

[shy wyvern]

Forza had really off putting DLSS implementation

[dull flint]

It did

FM8

[shy wyvern]

Lots of smearing even on DLSS Quality

[dull flint]

Absolute trash bag game

Lmao

FSR was worse

Fireworks looked like flowers dude

[shy wyvern]

FSR in ratchet and clank made me sick

Just watching videos of it

[dull flint]

Kind of wild that FH5 runs the same engine as FM8 yet FM8 is the dogpile that it is

And FH5 looks often way better

[shy wyvern]

FH5 on high looked great at ran at high fps on a damn 1050Ti

[hollow thorn]

I'm just remembering reading how people fit an entire game in like 64kb by not storing textures and only storing how the texture is drawn, I wonder if we'll get to a point where textures aren't baked in and we'll generate each texture lol

[dull flint]

I've seen those!! Super cool!!!

[shy wyvern]

Instructional based storage is amazing, has its roots all the way back to the asteroid arcade game

[dense perch]

Hey, I'm trying to reinstall Windows 11 rn but keep coming across the "PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA" BSOD.
I've previously had multiple bluescreens and installed new cpu + ram today. Same error and Im not sure how to fix it.
sfc /scannow doesnt work and gives me errors

0xC1900101 - 0x40017

[grizzled bloom]

That is usually caused by bad memory. Have you enabled XMP/EXPO?

[dense perch]

I believe XMP is enabled with the new memory as well

[grizzled bloom]

Disable that first then and see if it helps

Always have that disabled when installing windows

[dense perch]

Alright, I'll give that a try. I believe you were there when I was having issues with my Gskill Trident Z memory as well, no?

[grizzled bloom]

That's entirely possible

[dense perch]

if the reinstall doesnt work with xmp disabled, what would the next step be?

so far i've tried new cpu, new ram, and now xmp disabled but i believe the problem is within the operating system

[grizzled bloom]

Try with one stick of memory at a time in different slots

With the CPU and memory being changed the remaining possibilities are the motherboard and storage, once we rule out memory

[wind karma]

MSAA 😍

Or rather, no temporal techniques 😍

So crispy

[dense perch]

same thing again 😞

Installation assistant done, pc restarts, finishing updates, 2 bsod, undoes changes, returns to desktop

[sudden creek]

Essentially while yes you can make it faster it's just that you can only do so within the locked voltage limit. So it comes down to silicon lottery even more than most chips.

[grizzled bloom]

Did you try one stick at a time

[dense perch]

I've tried 1 stick, 2 stick, 4 stick
both sets

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, what about different slots in the board? One stick in at a time

I know it sounds like it'll be time consuming but it really helps narrow down the issue

Because right now it's between the motherboard and the storage

[dense perch]

I've been at this for multiple weeks and I've just lost patience. I'm very thankful for your assistance and different methods but I've just gone ahead and done a clean install on my operating system

The clean install went through without issues, sfc works, dism found no issues. installing all the updates right now, waiting to see if anything goes wrong

Sorry to waste your time

[shy bear]

2dimms of 6400mhz ended up working without a hitch with expo tweaked settings. May just return the other set if you're saying it would be problematic

I figure I might as well toss em in there just to see what happens when I get home though

[sudden creek]

you bought 2 sets of ram?

[shy bear]

Yeah, before I had really researched the pros and cons of having 4

[sudden creek]

I strongly suggest not doing dual rank (2 diimms per channel)

Also that's lucky that 6400mhz worked.

I'd stick to single rank and run the 6400mhz. if you really need more ram you can get higher capacity singlerank kits.

[dull flint]

4 dimms of ddr5 is absolute cancer

If you want high ram capacity, the most you can aim for is 2x48gb

Anything higher is god awful at 4 dimm

And 4 dimm in general isn't that good

2 dimms on ddr5 is the best way to go

If not 1 if you can only afford 16gb

Half rank is even worse (8gb sticks)

1 stick of ddr5 performs way better than 1 stick of ddr4 because of the architecture changes, it's not nearly as bad as ddr4 or 3 or the others

[rain badger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500102940078505984/1332559837409579040/image.png?ex=6795b28f&is=6794610f&hm=1dad6990906cb86603825d1d5ebca6575cd40de30283be42e2f82442c2ba3858&

does anyone know if these boards are any good?

[grizzled bloom]

No one has tested B850 boards yet but you can expect HUB to do so soon

[rain badger]

if these boards are actually good then they'll actually be really good value

unless it's a build where more than 2 memory slots are needed

got flashback and everything for $110

[grizzled bloom]

No DDR5 board should even have 4 slots

Except server grade stuff ofc

[rain badger]

are they unstable?

or something?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[rain badger]

damn

so there is literally no downside here

[grizzled bloom]

2 sticks? Sure run that up to 8000+
4 sticks? lol how does 5200 sound

[rain badger]

💀

[grizzled bloom]

It's only a 6 phase VRM so I wouldn't put more than a 7800X3D on it, but it should be fine for gamers.

9800X3D remains to be seen, it uses a lot more power. We'll have to wait for testing to be sure.

[rain badger]

hmm

so it's not a bad budget board

atm it's the cheapest AM5 board with decent vrms & vrm cooling

[grizzled bloom]

No PCIe 5.0 tho

So yeah this is the kind of thing to toss into a 7600/7700 XT build

[rain badger]

ah

what gpus get impacted by pcie 5 the most

50 series?

[grizzled bloom]

Out of those that have been released? None

They don't support it

We don't know about unreleased products yet

[rain badger]

ah

so it's mostly ssds

which doesn't make much of a difference anyways tbh at this price bracket

[grizzled bloom]

If I had to guess it'll only matter for a 5090, maybe a 5080

As long as it's 4.0 x16 at least

Oh one M.2 slot does support 5.0

Trippy, seems like Ryzen 8000 only supports up to 4.0 x8

Good thing I never really recommended those except as GPU-less builds

[sudden creek]

What is a simple way for my friend to figure out what motherboard they have?

They bought a pre built and they are to lazy to open the thing up

[meager elbow]

System information

Or hwinfo64

Hwinfo condenses the information better

But if they don't want to install anything, system information will have the motherboard information

[burnt spear]

I had a convo with someone a few days ago, it's asrocks new lightning branding for mobos

B650m pg lightning was 6+2+1 but it has almost no vrm heatsink

It's well priced in a lot of countries outside the US so I've been using it for budget builds

[rain badger]

yeah I've spotted it

and I've been like

"surely this is too cheap to be good"

[pallid thicket]

noob question... when i'm playing D4, I sit at something like 29gb/32gb RAM utilization. I also have a bunch of apps and browser tabs open... and i dont want to change my behavior. Do I need more memory? am i suffering any performance hits being so close to 100%?

[burnt spear]

You can likely fix that with optimization and "changing behaviors" to a minimal extent, but are you stuttering in games?

If you're not, then you're likely not running into a ram limit

[pallid thicket]

i think i was actually last night which is why i came here. i definitely want a "no limits" setup so was thinking about buying more or just buying different kits entirely

thanks!

[delicate iris]

Was wondering which 13th gen intel cpu you all would recommend for pairing with a 4080 super? I have a 13600k right now but the frame times are around 60-70% higher on the cpu than gpu in the games I've tested.