cpus-mobo-and-memory

[gentle acorn]

...of course lmao

I have to remove my GPU

[grizzled bloom]

If anything is interfering it would be that

Here's how they're split up

[marble bough]

Please make sure your operating system is on a drive that is formatted GPT, and not MBR.

[gentle acorn]

How would I check that?

[grizzled bloom]

Is it windows 11

[gentle acorn]

So which ones should I plug into?

Yep

[grizzled bloom]

It's GPT then

[grizzled bloom]

Left 2 or middle 2, those are the dedicated SATA controller

The right 2 are the chipset

[gentle acorn]

Hopefully it works this time

[grizzled bloom]

If not the next thing to try is swapping your SSD slots

[gentle acorn]

Alright

[grizzled bloom]

They're both PCIe 4.0 slots so the same speed on both

[gentle acorn]

Yeah

That was something I found weird too with this board was my old board was PCIe gen 5

[grizzled bloom]

There's effectively no difference between 4.0 and 5.0 for 99% of consumers

[gentle acorn]

Yeah

Okay still not showing up in the thing but I'm wondering if I should try removing it

[grizzled bloom]

The windows loader might also hide in a submenu on the boot device selection

You can also see if the drive itself is detected on the main bios page

[gentle acorn]

Yeah that was what I planned to check but forgot I had the windows usb in

And so it just booted straight to that

[marble bough]

Are you on the easy bios page, or advanced?

[gentle acorn]

I went to advanced

I'm going to check there again when it loads

[grizzled bloom]

I hope this doesn't become another bitlocker case

[gentle acorn]

I don't remember my last system taking so long to boot into bios even on first boot...

[grizzled bloom]

That should be fixed once you update bios

[gentle acorn]

Wait

[marble bough]

Updating bios is your best move first.

[gentle acorn]

I should be on CSM shouldn't I...

[grizzled bloom]

no

[gentle acorn]

Oh

[grizzled bloom]

That's for windows xp age systems

[gentle acorn]

Oh

I thought that was the newer thing

Not legacy

[marble bough]

Not unless you are using a legacy mode

[grizzled bloom]

CSM = compatibility support module, it's for legacy operating systems and hardware that doesn't support UEFI like the GTX 600 series

[gentle acorn]

Can I update bios without another computer?

[marble bough]

I had a problem like this recently. I used Easeus Partition Manager Pro and converted from CSM to UEFI without losing any data.

[grizzled bloom]

Can you plug your USB into your phone

[gentle acorn]

I don't have a dongle for it...

I have a laptop but it's not at my current house

[grizzled bloom]

Well you need a way to get the file onto the USB

[marble bough]

Sorry, Easeus Partition Master, not Manager.

[gentle acorn]

My mom has a laptop too but it's for work so it's locked down and would probably flag the download

[grizzled bloom]

In fairness even they abbreviate it EPM

[marble bough]

True. It fixed my boot issue immediately.

Even Windows 10 Pro, which I run, still gave the option to format as MBR. I had been building PCs so long, that I didn’t realize the drive was MBR because I hadn’t checked med in a long time

[gentle acorn]

I'd honestly consider just reformatting a drive but I'd like to figure out why it's just not even being found

[marble bough]

Can you put the drive in an old build and get to the internet?

[grizzled bloom]

For now you can skip the bios update, at least until you can get to a library computer or something. Is the drive shown on the main bios info page?

[gentle acorn]

It was not

I just reseated the drive

You know what

Let me see if I have my old laptop

I completely forgot about it

[grizzled bloom]

If that doesn't work you can swap slots next. If the drive still isn't shown on the info page and the other drive is, then there's some issue with the drive.

[marble bough]

I have an MSI Z790 Gaming Pro WiFi board. The same problem was happening until I put the drive back in my old build and fixed it with EPM.

[gentle acorn]

I switched from a Z690 pro non wifi DDR4

[grizzled bloom]

It's Windows 11 though, which won't let you install on MBR at all without specifically going out of your way to bypass it.

[gentle acorn]

Switched slots

Also left other SSD out

Switching slots worked? I think?

It did something different

It acted like it was going to boot into windows but then it restarted again

[grizzled bloom]

In that case either you have a bad slot (which you can test with your other drive) or it was just being finicky

Yeah it had to do some driver changes

[gentle acorn]

Like it did a different loading screen

Ah

Going to get a bios update going too if it let's me in windowd

Windows*

[marble bough]

Absolutely about Windows 11.

[gentle acorn]

I'm in windowd

Windows*

I can't type

[grizzled bloom]

Great, pop on that bios update and fix your boot times

If your wifi is working that is

(or you're wired)

[gentle acorn]

I'm wired

Love it after microcenter broke my wifi card when I took my PC to get fixed last year...

[marble bough]

Make sure keyboard is in a usb port on the back of the MB, not front

[gentle acorn]

Luckily happened around the time my mom got a mesh wifi

I always do

Looks ugly to me anyways lmao

And I did that once and couldn't access controls in BIOS so ever since always in back

[grizzled bloom]

I keep a PS/2 keyboard handy just in case

It's even wireless

[marble bough]

Me too! Lol

Not wireless though

I’m an old fart with component-hoarder tendencies.

[gentle acorn]

Also how do I load the bios drivers on? Do I unzip or leave it zipped?

[grizzled bloom]

I should probably get rid of the rabbit ears

Hasn't been any over the air TV in years

[grizzled bloom]

Unzip

[gentle acorn]

Also my first motherboard was the only one I ever saw with a PS/2 port lmao

Alright

It was a Z390 -A PRO

[grizzled bloom]

Really? My AM5 board has one. It's a combo port, either mouse or keyboard

[gentle acorn]

I find it funny I keep getting the same motherboard basically

[marble bough]

My last o e before this was a Z97 Gaming 7 Pro

One

[gentle acorn]

Yeah no mine doesn't have it

[grizzled bloom]

I stuck with MSI for a long time myself. 4 boards in a row, counting the warranty replacement.

[grizzled bloom]

Trippy

Every board I've ever owned has had that

Going back to the early 2000s

[marble bough]

@grizzled bloom I still use rabbit ears on 3 of my 4 TVs in the house. Great for when Dish blacks out. Plus network TV over the air is in real 4K. Cable and dish are compressed.

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah but I don't have anything in my area

[gentle acorn]

What are rabbit ears?

[grizzled bloom]

I tried it on my TV

[marble bough]

Old antennas

[gentle acorn]

Ah

[marble bough]

Stick up like rabbit ears bed#hind the tv.

[gentle acorn]

I've just never heard them called that

[marble bough]

Yeah. I’m an old fart…

[grizzled bloom]

Same lol

[gentle acorn]

I'm 20 lol

Rebooting to flash

[grizzled bloom]

Oh dang I just realized there's no USB 2.0 ports either

[gentle acorn]

Wait really?

[grizzled bloom]

That's actually not good to me, 2.0 has lower latency (it's small but still...)

[gentle acorn]

Also it's doing this

[grizzled bloom]

Try moving E7D78AMS.1C0 to the root of the drive

[gentle acorn]

Alright

Time to wait 10 years to get into windows again

[grizzled bloom]

Oh hey

[gentle acorn]

Oh huh

Cool

[split copper]

Rabbit ears is when you hire a cosplayer to stand in front of your TV and receive electromagnetic signals

[gentle acorn]

Lmao

[grizzled bloom]

Also the previous version

[gentle acorn]

So it is just a BIOS thing

Good lmao

Oh huh my issue with my drive not showing up is fixed

Haven't even updated yet

Hold on

When I downloaded the BIOS update it installed an exe file not a folder with drivers lmao

Unless I accidentally downloaded the wrong thing

[stiff crater]

That's Easy for you?

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe it wanted you to install the MSI Center

https://download.msi.com/bos_exe/mb/7D78v1C.zip

[gentle acorn]

No that's already downlosded

Downloaded*

It's AMD chipset stuff

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe you downloaded the right thing but unzipped the wrong one

[gentle acorn]

No I was dumb

[stiff crater]

Maybe you would have been confused with the file names @gentle acorn

[gentle acorn]

I downloaded the chipset drivers not the BIOS file -_-

[grizzled bloom]

Well it's not a total loss since you'll need those anyway

[gentle acorn]

Must've clicked the other page and clicked download without realizing lmao

Yeah

[stiff crater]

Now Install the BIOS file

Now you know further

[gentle acorn]

Just did and going back to BIOS

[stiff crater]

Good 🙂

[gentle acorn]

Yay finally updating

Also it should be fine temporarily to run without thermal paste right?

[cursive epoch]

Yes

[gentle acorn]

I happened to lose mine...

Alright

[cursive epoch]

You ideally want to get paste asap

[gentle acorn]

Yeah

[grizzled bloom]

Don't game without

[gentle acorn]

Alright

[cursive epoch]

Cuz these cpus run hot

[gentle acorn]

Yeah

Speaking of going to order some right now

[cursive epoch]

mx-4 is the ol reliable choice

[grizzled bloom]

In a pinch you can use toothpaste for a couple days, but it dries out fast

[gentle acorn]

Huh

I mean I left what was left on the cooler so it had a little bit on there but not complete coverage

[cursive epoch]

it might be okay

[grizzled bloom]

Should be fine temporarily then

[gentle acorn]

I'm so glad to have everything figured out now... I get to sleep lol

I have work in 8 and a half hours

[grizzled bloom]

Is your boot time better

[gentle acorn]

Lots

Lol

[grizzled bloom]

Awesome! Glad we got that all figured out

[gentle acorn]

Definitely closer to what it was on the old mobo

Thanks for the help!

[grizzled bloom]

Happy to help, enjoy the rest

[gentle acorn]

Thanks

[marble bough]

@grizzled bloom be careful with that MSI Center software. I’m a Video Editor, using mainly Blackmagic DaVinci Resolve, along with their switchers, speed editors, and Hyperdecks. The MSI center disabled two of my Speed Editors, and my Editing Keyboard. I happened to see that it caused a problem with them, uninstalled it, and everything started working again.

[grizzled bloom]

I'm perfectly aware of how bad it is. It bricked my RGB.

[gentle acorn]

my main issue with msi center is that every single time i reboot i get notified of an update

[marble bough]

Not worth it to use it.

[gentle acorn]

i literally updated and rebooted and was notified of yet another update

[grizzled bloom]

I'm on ASRock now and using third party control software

[cursive epoch]

MSI control center probably conflicted with your hotkeys in editing software

Since it does have its own hotkeys

[gentle acorn]

also i forgot that my media keys on my keyboard arent working anymore...

the lock button is flashing

i use those things all the time

[marble bough]

It did that as well. But even my Stream Deck got screwy. The second I uninstalled MSI Center, all was well ever since.

Who makes keyboard?

[gentle acorn]

corsair

[marble bough]

Logitech?

[gentle acorn]

it wouldnt be a msi center issue

ive had that on here since it released and never once had an issue with the media key not working till like last week

[marble bough]

Oh.

[cursive epoch]

Might want to install some drivers, not sure

[gentle acorn]

i should hook up my monitors so im not just using a drawing tablet screen

[cursive epoch]

With laptops they're like that

They typically require hotkey drivers for them to work

[gentle acorn]

huh

well this is a desktop

so no idea

apparently icue has an update

[cursive epoch]

That's why I suggest you to check

[gentle acorn]

wonder if that has anything to do with it

its on latest version now and did not fix it

[scenic solar]

Got bsod on the system where I'm testing the ram (mobo may not work properly either)

[cursive epoch]

run whocrashed

should help you figure out

[scenic solar]

Is patriot viper ram decent?

I should get a 32gb kit (new) so I'm sure it works fine, then I'll be able to figure out if both motherboards are properly working or not. If it's the ram that would mean I wasted a lot of time figuring out the problem

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah they're fine

[scenic solar]

even faster ones, like 3600 or 3800?

[vast meadow]

Ram is ram

[limber dragon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/wiki/bsod/ this may be more benefit

[scenic solar]

Thanks, just wanted to know if it actually was the ram since it never failed to boot before even with all the errors it gives in tm5 and occt

[scenic solar]

Ram is ram, and ram breaks

[grizzled bloom]

My experience with them has been fine. They hit their rated speeds no problem. I pushed mine as high as 4800.

It's not the stupid PCB like Corsair uses

[scenic solar]

Seems like corsair is only good at making expensive rgb

[amber canopy]

wrong

DDIE NEVER BREAKS

[scenic solar]

Gotta feel all of those 1.65v

[amber canopy]

1.65v is nothing

[scenic solar]

There's more?

[amber canopy]

there are more volts

MORE VOLTS

[scenic solar]

:wha:

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/mac-trash-gif-26503253

[gentle acorn]

well im reaching high 90s with my 7700x now with thermal paste applied

had it max at 107

wait no 99

wrong thing

the CCD reached 107

this is also in helldivers

Deepcool LT720 should be fine right? That's my current AIO

its not bad contact either just tightened the screws more

[burnt spear]

Def an issue

What cooler do you have

[gentle acorn]

Deepcool LT720 240mm

[burnt spear]

And did you take the little plastic sheet off the cold plate?

[gentle acorn]

Cold plate? Like the copper bit?

[burnt spear]

Yeah

[gentle acorn]

Yeah

[burnt spear]

Did you plug the cable into the correct header

And did you tighten the screws in an x pattern

[gentle acorn]

I have it plugged into the pump fan header

Yes

[burnt spear]

Put your ear next to the pump while pc is on, what do you hear

[gentle acorn]

I'm not there atm but I felt the pipes and felt that it was vibrating

So pretty certain it's pumping

[burnt spear]

It could be vibrating and still be faulty

[gentle acorn]

Alright

I did use the AIO on my i5-12600k before switching to this CPU and never had issues with overheating

[burnt spear]

Other than that I'd check the paste job

[burnt spear]

Hm alright

Same case too or new one

[gentle acorn]

I did an X pattern with the paste

Same case

[burnt spear]

Are you absolutely certain you used enough?

[gentle acorn]

Honestly was scared I used too much lol

[burnt spear]

Oh check what the cpu voltage and wattage is under load

And lmk when you got that

Ik you're not there atm

[gentle acorn]

I can remote in once I get to my laptop

Oh also I tried checking the temps with and without the side panel on didn't make much of a difference

Seems Temps are a bit better currently? Also this is just while in the ship and not on an actual mission

[grizzled bloom]

That means airflow isn't an issue

[white pelican]

what cpu would pair well with a 3070ti with minimal gpu bottlenecking? the cpu i have rn is a i7-9700k

[cursive epoch]

for starters you can get r5 7600

[white pelican]

wouldn’t that be downgrading tho

[dull flint]

7600 destroys a 9700k

in like everything

[white pelican]

aight mb

[dull flint]

You're fine

They don't write a book on these things lol

[white pelican]

lol

i just wanna learn cause i wanna do something similar to this for my career

[gentle acorn]

so i made a realization that one of my fans on my AIO wasnt plugged in and also apparently the tubes were blocking one of my other fans from spinning

so ive now moved the AIO to have the tubes go the other way and have the fan plugged in

[sudden creek]

Any leaks about next gen's Intel/AMD CPUs?

[cursive epoch]

none atm

there's only leaks for laptop cpus

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

[grizzled bloom]

Intel has been pretty tight on leaks so there's only vague guesses.
AMD seems to be running a misinformation campaign to root out leakers so the data is all over the place.

I've seen everywhere from 15-40% improvements on next AMD

[sudden creek]

That can't be good. Isn't Intel usually the one encouraging leaks? Hopefully that doesn't mean next Gen is bad.

[grizzled bloom]

All I know is next gen will be Arrow Lake and it should be slightly better than Zen 4

LGA1851 if memory serves

[tender sleet]

I don't understand why AMD would want leaks to not happen

it's part of building hype

[sudden creek]

My guess would be that they don't want to have leaks saying "40% PERFORMANCE GAIN" then only deliver say "25% PERFORMANCE GAIN". Would be better to reverse that order to under promise and over deliver.

[cursive epoch]

because leaks are detrimental to the company

rather than actually building hype

stocks exist, and as we all know..

investors are quick to decide what to do with their share as soon as a leak exists

[wintry girder]

Is upgrading from a 12600kf to a 7 7700x worth the price of getting a new cpu and mobo

I have an amd gpu and I want to take advantage of sam

[grizzled bloom]

SAM isn't any better than a minor manual overclock.
The difference between the 7700X and 12600KF isn't enough to be worth it, but maybe next gen. It comes out later this year.

[sudden creek]

What is SAM?

[split copper]

Smart access memory

The CPU has direct access to vram or whatever

[sudden creek]

Sounds like a good thing but how is it in actual practice?

[wintry girder]

How come I says in bios that I cant oc cpu

but its a 12600kf

its unlocked so why cant I oc

[hollow thorn]

what board

[wintry girder]

Msi b760 gaming plus

[cerulean wadi]

Need a Z series (690/790) for cpu oc.

[grizzled bloom]

Gets you maybe 3% in some games

It's just resizeable bar plus a minor OC

[sudden creek]

Ahh well that's disappointing.

[sudden creek]

testing a new strategy out.

Going to set corecycler to only run each for for like 5-10s to force the cores to activate light loads rapidly

Hoping that this will trigger high boost clocks

trying out 1s SSE P95 mode.

[sudden creek]

Just realized that I sent this into the wrong channel.

[grizzled bloom]

Well, sort of but not really the wrong channel. It is CPU related.

[long geyser]

Anything is a CPU if you're brave enough. ||/s||

[sudden creek]

Oh?

[long geyser]

Even you keyboard keycaps are CPUs, just need to be brave enough to be the "electricity".

[hybrid grove]

What's a decent sodimm 2 x 16gb 5600mhz kit

[cursive epoch]

anything tbh

laptops run on jedec

so it doesn't matter

[hybrid grove]

https://a.co/d/cIlejcK

[grizzled bloom]

The 48GB kit is only $12 more

50% more capacity for 13% more money is a deal I'd take in a heartbeat

[tender sleet]

Honestly with laptops
Pick your desired capacity, sort by lowest price and buy the first on the list basically

[hybrid grove]

This laptop can only do up to 32. Otherwise I'd totally do the 48

[grizzled bloom]

What laptop? I'll check if it's been updated with the new memory spec

[hybrid grove]

I'm having trouble finding an actual answer other than forums but here I'll send a link

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sku/6571057.p?skuId=6571057

[grizzled bloom]

Max is 96GB, the 24GB sticks work

[hybrid grove]

Appreciate it. For the life of me couldn't find a solid answer. Just was going by what people were saying in the questions and answers tab 😅

[long scaffold]

Someone should donate me a better cpu lol I have a i3 9100 f 😭 and I’m broke

[long scaffold]

yes!

[jagged compass]

Hello! So I have a simple ram question: I have 32gb Patriot ddr4 ram at 3200mhz cl 16. I want to add one more stick of 32gb ram ALSO patriot BUT different model number and it says 3600 cl18 ...
Can these two work together without a problem? Basically same ram, looks the same but different configuration?

[burnt spear]

it's a game of chance

there are many ram dies, which is what's under the heat spreader

three different brand make these dies, micron hynix and samsung

but each brand has multiple dies, like for ddr4 there's samsung B die, C die, D die, i think E die too? and probably others idk about

if the ram die is different, there's a chance if it causing major issues

i mixed two ram kits and corrupted my windows install

[sudden creek]

Your best bet is to just buy a new kit entirely.

[burnt spear]

and even buying the same kit doesnt mean it's the same exact die

[burnt spear]

what do you use your pc for? and what cpu/gpu do you have?

and what is your current configuration, 2x16 or 1x32?

[jagged compass]

Thank you it's for modeling simulations and level design game development (big big levels with so much texture) and it's currently 2x 32 gb cl16 3200 patriot ram and for gpu 3090 24gb and intel i9 12900ks

in general chat helpfull people like yourself told me that it may run at lower speed of 3200

so hopefully it should work

[sudden creek]

You should look for a 4x32GB kit of ram then. CPU will run 3600mhz at best, but most likely reach it's limit with 3200mhz.

[burnt spear]

you need more than 64gb? damn

the 3600c18 kit would very likely be a different die

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/fix-futurama-help-fry-fixit-gif-4525230

[jagged compass]

Yes damn 😅 ram hog applications can hit or cross 64 gb exponentially for some functions

[jagged compass]

Yeah that’s what I feared and stopped myself from buying it. I should either find the exact same ram or replace all of them all together

[burnt spear]

This'd work
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2xCFf7/patriot-viper-4-blackout-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-pvb464g360c8k

[scenic solar]

I'm testing a kit of ram which may be broken, but i forgot the sysyem I'm testing it on has a Vega11 graphics which takes up some ram.
This means the "vram" might be using a fraction of the ram that is faulty (considering the tests I made on other mobos). How do I usually remove mem allocation for the igpu?

It's a msi mAtx board, click bios 5 or something

[scenic solar]

I guess disabling the igpu was all I needed to do

[grizzled bloom]

Exactly what I was about to suggest

[scenic solar]

This is the only time i wish the ram gives me errors on this system
Because if it doesn't that means the other two motherboards are partially broken

[scenic solar]

Any recommendations on sub €100 itx motherboards, either lga1151, 1700 or am4?

[vast meadow]

New itx for sub 100? You'll be lucky if there is an option

[scenic solar]

Used is ok as far as it is from eu

[vast meadow]

It's kinda hard to recommend on exact models used, I'd definitely go lg1700 or am4 out of those 3 options anyway if it's for an i3/5 etc any should be fine

[scenic solar]

First repaired motherboard is working just fine, ram was faulty

Second one is also likely working since i had tested it with the same dimms

[naive pendant]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/235472468540?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=6yjhvmznt6e&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

will this work fine with my e5-2650 v4?

[cursive epoch]

https://wccftech.com/sapphire-launches-nitro-b650i-wifi-ultra-platinum-its-first-amd-am5-motherboard/ @dull flint look, sapphire just made a mobo

[dull flint]

YOOOOOOOOOOOO

WWHHHAAAATTTT

I-

I WANT ITTTT

[cursive epoch]

Knew you'd go crazy

[dull flint]

That is gonna be GOOD

Ain't no way they mess it up

Paper specs already look solid

One of the few manufacturers as well that can make DECENT rgb software btw

[cursive epoch]

Perfecto

[dull flint]

Omg I'm pining for this

[vast meadow]

Yoooo

[ripe tartan]

I want

Do we know price?

[cursive epoch]

not yet

[ripe tartan]

[burnt spear]

$600

Sapphire cpus when

[ripe tartan]

When they can stick some blue lighting around the edge

[naive pendant]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166394038999?itmmeta=01HW05R285JBWMPNQ68QSW257K&hash=item26bddb8ad7:g:w2kAAOSwyqRlNzeX&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA4LkVb5%2BVHMU2mwegRD%2F4o8U8KzVWk3rQC7ZQEqVEvoBhjoPG6W74ZzYRluzIJGhGriOPGmOlO9PnLwovUUICXqZP1Mojp3g1xu%2FemPvcryahP3zFry7%2FgQzOUUesuQK6QI%2FzWz3Rc8PqR5JS8Sp%2BPrWJKlKSwwBgX%2FeEsWqTElip3ngyGhcClR%2FJ9sYVXnJ9tbL6m4r7HSUcDwV7UTiTJ9HKir9bS%2BwWjxexw7NotiMMq81PwMlt8BbM0%2BLbrhSCjdlcnNsMVy7CtHp4MZkVDKGucusjft2AO%2FC2RTTAosEn|tkp%3ABk9SR5ak4IXgYw£48.21

does this support non-ecc ram? i cant see anything abt it

[amber canopy]

they do

what country do you live in @naive pendant

oh, uk?

id really really suggest staying away from those chinese boards

theyre terrible and only like 2 or 3 models are actually any decent

[cursive epoch]

recycled crappy boards

[naive pendant]

ive had a look through them and this is the only one that seems half decent

you can get a machiner or whatever the name was thing for like 70

actual brand tho

[amber canopy]

join miyconst discord server, hes a YTer who makes content on all these boards

they know all about which boards are good and how to modify them if need be

[naive pendant]

you got a server link?

[amber canopy]

sure

[naive pendant]

send in dms pls

[scenic solar]

Why is the sleep option in win10 not available if igpu drivers are not installed? How are those related?

[grizzled bloom]

Because the iGPU needs to sleep too but it can't without the drivers. You can always disable the iGPU.

Sleep mode is a lot more complex than just the motherboard deciding "I sleep now"

[scenic solar]

Oh I get it now, thanks

[amber canopy]

Me when

When maximus 5 formula give post code 15-14 power cycle

https://tenor.com/view/sword-art-online-by-the-nine-by-the-nine-im-tweakin-tweakin-gif-25826627

Also this

But I already fixed it and it wasn't causing the issue

[olive totem]

thats actually so cool

whenever my next gpu upgrade is it might be sapphire, unless xfx has another really good looking cooler design like their high end 6000

also @dull flint this is in the official amd discord, i imagine thats something you might be interested in

[potent dew]

Want to put this in my dad's computer with my old G.Skill Ripjaws V 16CL 3200MHz, what's the worst that could happen if I try to OC these to the same as my old kit?

They're from an HP refurbished pre-built from 2018

[amber canopy]

post a picture of the label on your gskill kit @potent dew

[amber canopy]

dont lol

[potent dew]

Didn't think it would go too well

They're both Hynix

[amber canopy]

oh i thought it was S8C

im not sure though tbh

[sudden creek]

Best to ask in #overclocking for proper support. As far as I am aware, so long as it's not C-Die from Samsung you should be safe up to around 1.4v DRAM voltage before any serious degration can happen.

[amber canopy]

thats not really the main concern, its just that different ICs overclock differently so theyd probably conflict in practice

[sudden creek]

Oh, he's not replacing the old kit but installing a new one alongside the other?

[amber canopy]

thats what i understood

[sudden creek]

Ahh yeah then I don't recommend it either.

[amber canopy]

@potent dew run them all at jedec 2400 and youll be fine

24GB per channel

[potent dew]

Yeah so I'll just stick with the 32G kit lol

[potent dew]

I'm replacing the old one (green) with my "old" DDR4 kit (black Ripjaws V), wanted to see what would happen if I used both and OCd the green

Seems like a bad idea, though

[sudden creek]

Yeah don't do that. Like Far said, different ICs usually don't play well together so you will likely run into a nightmare of errors for likely no gain.

[grizzled bloom]

8810C is Samsung C die

Dual rank C die is not going to get along with any other die, even other C die kits will have trouble

[potent dew]

Okay

[dull flint]

It's true

Lmao

[scenic solar]

Iirc most modern 4 slot motherboards use daisy chain. So the two dimms on the left will work off a single channel, while the two on the right are on the second channel, right?
I'm testing the rog z270e with broken socket pins and it gave me errors in A1+B1 and in A2+B2. B1+B2 no errors atm. I started testing this way because I think one of the two channels might not work

[dull flint]

Ye

The two channels are grouped next to each other

Via A and B

[grizzled bloom]

Sounds like a dead channel A to me

[scenic solar]

Yeah it could be, I'll test out both dimms on a channel as well as just one dimm in all 4 slots

[ripe tartan]

~~You mean #846508336543301653? ~~

[grizzled bloom]

We keep that around to laugh when people ask how to mine Bitcoin on their GPU

[scenic solar]

Channel B is 👎, now testing channel A

B also stands for bad

Is it possible that placing a dimm on either A1 or A2 makes a difference? Or are they wired in such way that it makes no difference?

[grizzled bloom]

Electrically speaking, in a daisy chain board the second slot in the channel is better

[scenic solar]

Better performance or just better overall?

[dull flint]

Just better

[scenic solar]

No 2 dimms config I tested works. Let's see if anything good happens with just one dimm

Is there any chance that if I try all of the combinations again but I invert the dimms? I feel like nothing will happen but who knows...

[dull flint]

Can do yeah

Big warning to any 13th or 14th gen recommendations.

---

Final update 26/09/24: 0x12B microcode "will address the root cause" involving an IA rail and elevated voltage. 0x12B will be delivered via bios (wait for official, not beta) and windows update.

Update to 0x12B as soon as possible.

Details:
https://community.intel.com/t5/Blogs/Tech-Innovation/Client/Intel-Core-13th-and-14th-Gen-Desktop-Instability-Root-Cause/post/1633239

Update 12/08/24: OP removed. A lot of the good initial feedback seems to be still consistent. Buildzoid has highlighted the newest microcode 0x129 on gigabyte z790 will disable all voltage limits if you turn off "intel default settings". This is a specific bios option, and will undo the 0x129 mitigations. Absolutely not recommended. See below:

https://youtu.be/TOvJAHhQKZg

Update 09/08/24: New intel microcode has released. A public statement from intel remarks that the main change for this patch (129) addresses the Vmax to a known cap of 1.55v and is suggested to be "safe". It is encouraged to move to bios' with microcode 129 when possible.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/21518/intel-publishes-first-microcode-update-for-raptor-lake-stability

Update 05/08/24: New guide released to allow "IA VR Voltage Limit" to be capped to 1.4v for all laptops linked below:
https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLaptops/comments/1ejvbkl/definitive_13th14th_gen_intel_hx_cpu_14v_cap/

Update 31/07/24: Newest statements from Intel via the verge state all CPUs above 65W. (Take verge with a grain of salt, but an interview with intel nonetheless)

It has been highlighted from multiple sources that this affects all B0 (Raptor-based) stepping SKUs. All available suggestions are below and applicable where possible.

See:
https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/26/24206529/intel-13th-14th-gen-crashing-instability-cpu-voltage-q-a

Update 14/07/24: New developments from reports of game developers and enterprise companies now laying blame for the late issues from intel's 13th and 14th gen K CPUs and now extends beyond i7 and i9 to even i5. This is despite the new measures in place from intel and problems involving these cpus failing continue to accelerate to a rapidly degrading situation with current known measures not working.

***Current recommendations are to adopt ICCmax in bios (A.K.A long current limit) to 255A as well as adjusting IR VR Voltage Limit to 1.4v or 1.55v, as well as adopting intel recommended settings, especially for power limits, else where applicable while maintaining the ICCmax and power limits. Lowering TJmax to 90C could potentially lower the risk.

In the event these cause more issues, set manual core voltages to 1.30V manual/static, set P core, e core and ring bus ratio to offset by negative 1GHz or negative 10x ratio, set cpu temperature limit to 75C, and CPU power limit to: i5: 115W, i7:170W, i9:200W. These are arbitrary limits, and this is in place to severely reduce the strain on the cpu until either a patch is given out or your warranty can go through. Yes, it's meant to be an extreme slow down to your cpu until we get a resolution.***

See:
https://youtu.be/2G-Y0yDSfeA
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-13900k-14900k-stability-issues-drive-game-server-providers-to-amd

UPDATE: BIOS rollouts are going out with major changes to standard spec. Chips will now be pushed back to run to intel spec across the range regarding both power and current draw; and Intel has laid "blame" to motherboard manufacturers going beyond this, something that they've all done for a very long time now:

https://wccftech.com/intel-blames-motherboard-system-manufacturers-14th-13th-gen-cpu-stability-issues/

Original post below:
The issues involving degradation for Intel i7 and i9 users are now starting to reach proper saturation levels in other channels. There is a very serious problem with LGA1700 boards going beyond recommended Intel spec at their own discretion.

@grizzled bloom if possible, pin^

Thanks

[sudden creek]

Now I am sorta glad I hadn't purchased the I9-14900K.

[rocky beacon]

Still rocking a 12900K on my desktop

[vast meadow]

done

[grizzled bloom]

From what I've seen so far the problem is mostly contained to the top SKU chips. Specifically the 13900K/KS, 14900K/KS, and occasionally the 14700K.

[dull flint]

I've seen reports for 13700K's as well, hence me including them, unfortunately

But yeah it's pretty much the bins that go into 5.5GHz and beyond territory

[grizzled bloom]

The funny thing is, the only way to "fix" this is to enforce lower power limits than the boards give by default, which costs performance.
Meaning, there is no longer any reason to recommend high end Intel (unless QSV) over AMD since they were effectively tied before and this will leave them about 10% behind.

[burnt spear]

I don't know if it was damaged, but my 13600k was doing it

Was hitting 100c in cinebench r23 at like 325w and over 1.4v iirc

280mm aio msi z690-a pro

Felix/sips found out the issue for me lmao

[wind karma]

325w on a 600/mid tier chip is kinda insane

[grizzled bloom]

That's as much as my high end GPU uses

[burnt spear]

What gpu?

[grizzled bloom]

3080 ti

[burnt spear]

Damn

13600k pulling as much as a 3080 ti is crazy

[dull flint]

https://wccftech.com/intel-blames-motherboard-system-manufacturers-14th-13th-gen-cpu-stability-issues/

Updated the pin

[grizzled bloom]

Yes it's totally the motherboard manufacturers at fault here. It's not like Intel spec is seen by everyone as a suggestion to be ignored or anything.
If you didn't want them maxing power limits then why not say something 5+ years ago when it became a more widespread practice?

[cursive epoch]

so

less reason to recc intel lol

given intel's stock is slower

[dull flint]

Fal got it in one

They've been doing this since like 9th gen

[cursive epoch]

but the fault is definitely on intel

[dull flint]

Intel is throwing them under the bus

[grizzled bloom]

About 9% slower from what we've seen from the Asus patches, which puts high end Intel well below AMD

[cursive epoch]

that said

am5 better recc anyway

[dull flint]

Meh 12th gen still good

[cursive epoch]

you can run the fastest cpu on the socket on cheap boards

[dull flint]

12th gen hasn't had these issues

[cursive epoch]

12th gen is the budget choice tho

[dull flint]

12th gen also gets the bclk advantage

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[cursive epoch]

burnout issue at least was fixable without any perf regression

intel's case is too much oc

[dull flint]

Intel's chips have been long known to degrade under heavy multi core

Just now it's big news they can't run away from it

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah having the chips at 1.4v+ under load is insane

[cursive epoch]

i guess intel never broke past 4 cores

kek

[dull flint]

OC'ers have known about ICCmax for about 8 months now

It's been a long time coming

Degradation long before that

[grizzled bloom]

The only surprise is how fast it happened imo

[dull flint]

Cinebench is well known to be an i9 killer

Again, it just wasn't highlighted info

It's been known for a while

[cursive epoch]

cinebench R(rekt)-i9

[dull flint]

Just that now, it's been a few months since 14th geb

[grizzled bloom]

Buildzoid with the 13900K that simply can't run cinebench with default settings

[dull flint]

It's now happening a A LOT

14th gen triggered it

Since all 14700k's and 14900k's and KS' are affected

[cursive epoch]

from a gacha in japan, some dude got i7 8700 with 6th core dead

[dull flint]

For $3 I saw that lol

[burnt spear]

Any k cpu can, no?

12th gen just has non k that can

[dull flint]

I wish but 13th and 14th are fused off

for non Z OC that is

[grizzled bloom]

Didn't they patch that out and now you need to use old bios versions

[scenic solar]

Strix z270 is dead

Ram doesn't work in any configuration

[amber canopy]

did you try other ram

@scenic solar

and the other basic troubleshooting stuff

whatd you try so far

[scenic solar]

It's the motherboard 99% sure. If you haven't read what I said some days ago, I bought this mb as broken, it had about 40-50 bent pins, saved most of them but still about 5 were broken, and those happen to be ram related. I've recently spent days troubleshooting ram errors on two mobos (another one I repaired too) and tough bot were broken when the old ram was actually faulty. Swapped ram kits and one mobo turned out to be just fine, the z270 unfortunately is not

I spent waay too much time testing the asrock Mb (many days of tm5 testing) trying to figure out why it only worked with one dimm but had problems with both. Apparently the two dimms from the broken ram kit just prefer not stay near each other... alone, they do their job perfectly. *I didn't realize the ram was faulty til some days ago.

• testing with the z270 was also difficult as the broken pins should have only been igpu related, not ram related. Different ram kits and configurations: still errors. Apparently I've always been loking at the 1151 pinout upside down all the time

Tldr, summary:
asrock & rog mobos > bought with broken pins
Repaired most pins on both mobos
Ram errors due to faulty ram kit
Different ram > asrock works, rog doesn't

[amber canopy]

50 pins

How much did you get it for

[marble knot]

sooooooooooo

i have a 3600 rn, looking to upgrade, have a b450 aorsu elite v2

im looking at cpus, its between 5700x3d, 5800x3d or 5950x

5700x3d is cheaper but newer, so prob wont be cheaper second hand
5800x3d is faster and likely cheaper than 5700
5950x or 3950x are older, so likely cheaper

but idk if my board can run a 5950 or 3950 with pbo on

i doubt it

[grizzled bloom]

Definitely not, that's an E tier VRM. You'd want at least a B tier to use PBO on those.

The VRM on that will thermal throttle at around 75A

[marble knot]

ok so 5800x3d or 5700x3d

[grizzled bloom]

Yep that's the most I would do

[grizzled bloom]

Assuming you have excellent cooling the 5800X3D would techinically be the best on the socket

[marble knot]

ok, looking for one last updrage till am5

[grizzled bloom]

If you don't have at least a 360mm AIO or one of the excellent, recent air coolers you probably want the 5700X3D

[dull flint]

I have a vague recollection of this convo yeah

The V1 had the crap VRM whereas the V2 was improved significantly iirc

You definitely however wouldn't get an R9 working with PBO on with that board

Or rather, work for more than brief periods of current excursions beyond spec

Which is really just not recommended, best left PBO off in those cases as that wouldn't have issues

Agree with Fal, 5700X3D or 5800X3D would be pretty solid

[scenic solar]

€15 + some shipping

[scenic solar]

Is an i5 8600k a good choice for €55?

[scenic solar]

or is an i5 9400 better for €5 less?

[cursive epoch]

they so similar

[dull flint]

Used 5500 kinda nice

[scenic solar]

Cheapest 5500 i could find is €70 unfortunately

[dull flint]

that's a long way better than a 8600K ro 9400 tho

for only a handful of euro more

[burnt spear]

9400 isn't much worse, no?

9400 is similar to 3600 I thought

Though I would rather be on am4 anyways

Prolly cheaper mobos too

[edgy bolt]

Hey! I was running a compatibility check on a mother board and CPU at pc part picker. And it said that the CPU might be running a newer BIOS version, and that I'd need to update the motherboard. So, I don't want to update the motherboard if it's running an older BIOS version. So I'd like to clarify with New Egg that the parts are compatible. They were in a combo deal after all...would be mighty weird if they were selling 2 things that aren't compatible.

[vast meadow]

They should be, what's the board and cpu?

[edgy bolt]

its in a combo, the broad says that it is compatible with 12-13th gen cpus, but it is combo'ed with a 14th gen cpu

[vast meadow]

That's fine as long as the board has a bios flashback option, what exact board is it?

Although honestly i wouldn't be buying intel at all now, I'd skip that and go amd instead

[edgy bolt]

how does AMD's work? What is i7 14th gen k equivalent

is overclocking a thing with AMD?

[vast meadow]

Depends, technically the 7700, 7700x or 7700x3d depending on what you wanna do with it, will depend what you want to use, yes overclocking is a thing but honestly overclocking these days is meh, but they have a kinda auto dynamic oc called PBO that's better than manual anyway

[edgy bolt]

ok, so i produce music and edit videos, i also playing many high demanding video games. the GC i have is fine, but my pc is kinda slow when it somes to running DAW programs

[dull flint]

Would strongly consider avoiding 13th and 14th gen rn

#cpus-mobo-and-memory message

[edgy bolt]

ok, you guys r telling me what not to do, but what SHOULD i do/get?

[dull flint]

If you're considering new, AM4, 12th gen and AM5 are all quite decent

All faster than the former respectively

[scenic solar]

Seems like the 5500 hasn't been sold in a long time but many people are interested. Ill probably get no answer from the seller

[dull flint]

Mmm

3600 is a good substitute imo, bit worse tho

For just running them on a stock cooler they can be quite effective

More up to date bios' and QoL as well like gen 4 if you pick the right board

That said if z270 is still stupid cheap then that may be better for value

[edgy bolt]

i went to user bench mark, and intal is just better than amd. for double the price amd still cant keep up with intel's 8% faster speed. DOUBLE THE PRICE, why would i buy amd?

intel is just far better in every way

[scenic solar]

Those are just the brands, out of all processors you can find similar ones or better value ones but there is no bad cpus, badly priced sure, but that will also depend on country and place you're buying from.

[burnt spear]

Ubm is really really bad

[edgy bolt]

Yeah I guess that is true, but no, I'm buying intel

[burnt spear]

Like

Horrid

?ubm

[silk jungle]

`UserBenchmark is NOT a reliable source of information and has been blanket banned in many hardware communities such as r/hardware and r/intel for what started as an anti-AMD bias but has spiraled into delusion.

In fact, they tried so hard to skew results in favor of Intel's midrange that they even cannibalized Intel's own high end. For example, according to UserBenchmark, the i3-9350K is rated higher than the i9-10980XE.

For a similarly convenient quick-and-dirty hardware comparison website, we recommend using PassMark instead of UserBenchmark.

PassMark CPU comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
PassMark GPU comparison: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
Want to know more?: https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg`

[burnt spear]

For video editing, go intel

Any intel cpu with an igpu

Specifically 13600k+ preferably

Music production you want low latency ram

[edgy bolt]

i have 32 gb of ddr5

[burnt spear]

If you'd be open to ram tuning (overclocking) I would highly recommend it for music production

What speed and latency

[edgy bolt]

6000 36

https://www.newegg.ca/corsair-32gb/p/N82E16820236991?Item=N82E16820236991

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HkNpvj

If you can cancel the order or return it I would

Corsair is literally the only brand I'd avoid when it comes to ram

[edgy bolt]

i have yet to order anything lol

[burnt spear]

Fantastic

[edgy bolt]

y?

[burnt spear]

Corsair is notorious for mixing ram dies in the same kit, it isn't exactly common but it's often enough to be weary of

They also lock a certain voltage on ddr5 that makes it worse than almost any other brands, the PMIC voltage

And its just overpriced

[burnt spear]

What's your budget for the whole build

Is it just music production and video editing focused?

Or you doing some gaming and the likes as well

[edgy bolt]

you see, my pc was pre-built for gaming, so my cpu and ram/internal storage is lacking, so, i want to upgrade my pc to favour music production and video editing more. As well as, the fact that almost all of my games are stored on a 5tb external drive, making them load for years. So I don't think my pc is weak in terms of gaming, its just where i have my games stared, that takes forever to load.

[burnt spear]

What's the specs?

And what do you want to keep

And what is your ideal budget to upgrade

[edgy bolt]

i have a 3060 gc, i5 11th gen intel

[burnt spear]

If you're worried about gaming perf, gpu is definitely the first culprit between the two

[edgy bolt]

im keeping my gc, and case/fans, i might get liquid cooling, depending on if i use overclocking, and yeah, hats about it

[edgy bolt]

my graphics are fine, its the loading in the game that takes forever.

[burnt spear]

That's simply storage

[edgy bolt]

?

[burnt spear]

Doesn't sound like cpu or gpu is affecting that

[edgy bolt]

yes, so thats why im getting 2 2tb drives

[burnt spear]

But cpu would def affect your workstation tasks

[edgy bolt]

one for music, and one for gaming

[burnt spear]

Would you rather white or black

[edgy bolt]

yes, i hate having my audio clip cuz my cpu cant run 1000 voices at once LMAOO

[edgy bolt]

WHAT?

[burnt spear]

For the pc

Color

White
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/C888TW/thermalright-frozen-magic-scenic-v2-69-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-magic-360-scenic-v2-d1-g2

[edgy bolt]

it is black, im keeping what colouring stuff i have

[burnt spear]

Black
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/99XV3C/thermalright-frozen-prism-704-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-prism-360-black

[edgy bolt]

oh

yeah black

[burnt spear]

Rgb?

[edgy bolt]

i thot u meant RGB

[burnt spear]

Do you want rgb?

[edgy bolt]

yeah i have rgb

idk if i want it on the insaide tho

my pc kinda hides where i have it sitting by my desk so

[burnt spear]

Ok and one more time

Budget?

[edgy bolt]

$1,200 CAD max

[burnt spear]

God damn it I just made a whole list with US pricing

Lmao give me a lil bit

[edgy bolt]

its about $877 USD

[dull flint]

That's prolly gonna be like a 7600/12600k build with a 7800xt/7700xt/6700xt

[burnt spear]

Yeah availability just varies

Not gonna be able to fit in 4tb of ssd storage

[edgy bolt]

?

I have the build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N2vRt7

[burnt spear]

That's 1200 usd though?

[edgy bolt]

ik, im doing some looking around

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Mhh9HG

Let me make a nicer one now

[edgy bolt]

i dont need a case or power supply

i5 11th gen is what i have, is it really worth getting the 13th gen?

as an upgrade?

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/W3rGFs

[burnt spear]

It's a big step up

One sec

[edgy bolt]

really? 13TH GEN IS A BIG STEP UP FROM 11TH GEN?

[burnt spear]

Multi core difference

13600k is 14 cores

Instead of 6

So huge increase in multi core perf

[edgy bolt]

oh

[burnt spear]

This won't matter too too much for music production or video editing I don't believe, but its still a massive step up

This is single core difference

Not as huge but still a very big difference

[edgy bolt]

i'd like to future proof this upgrade tho

[burnt spear]

Single core will matter more for photo/video editing and gaming

So you're looking at a 40%+ upgrade just from the 13600k

In gaming 14700k and 13600k are pretty similar

[edgy bolt]

also, the motherboard doesn't support the cpu

[burnt spear]

Workstation tasks 14700k will pull head in both single core and multi core, but the difference is much bigger for multi core

It does

[dull flint]

Still would avoid 14th gen for now

[burnt spear]

It's just pcpartpicker

[burnt spear]

With b760s it's a non issue

[dull flint]

They're still shipping boards that breach intel spec

[burnt spear]

It can't unlock pl

[dull flint]

Oh is it b760

Ok fair enough

[burnt spear]

It'll be fine

Worst case scenario you have to update bios

[edgy bolt]

you sure? IDK how to update bios

[burnt spear]

One sec

Felix I can't find a b760 with bios flash

Halp

[edgy bolt]

this is my pre-build/current build

https://www.newegg.ca/abs-ali570/p/N82E16883360205?Item=N82E16883360205&utm_medium=TraEmail&utm_source=TEMC-Shipping-New-Tracking-Notification-Responsive-US&cm_mmc=TEMC-Shipping-New-Tracking-Notification-Responsive-US-_-N82E16883360205

do i need a power supply?

[burnt spear]

If you're aiming for upgradability I'd go for a new psu

There's no saying what that one is without you checking it

[edgy bolt]

what is a psu?

[burnt spear]

Power supply

[edgy bolt]

HOW DOES PSU = POWER SUPPLY?

[burnt spear]

I'd check what the psu is and then decide after

[edgy bolt]

nevermind sorry

[burnt spear]

lol

Nw

I've picked up a lot of abbreviations from this server I didn't know before

Iirc

Nw

[edgy bolt]

i'd have no idea how to check that btw

[burnt spear]

Psu, mobo

[burnt spear]

You'd have to take off the side panel of the pc

The side opposite the glass

[edgy bolt]

what?

how would i do thst?

[burnt spear]

Look at your pc facing the front of it

Facing the fans

[edgy bolt]

i'd need a grinder, that side doesnt come off

[burnt spear]

On the right

There's gotta be screws somewhere

One sec

[edgy bolt]

yeah, on the glass side

[burnt spear]

Really, that's weird

It'd have to be on the glass side then ig

[edgy bolt]

yeah im not putting a grinder to my pc buddy

[burnt spear]

No the back has to open

[edgy bolt]

im not done with it yet

[burnt spear]

The pc has a psu shroud, the power supply wouldnt have been able to go in otherwise

[edgy bolt]

they teleported it in, with they super powers

[burnt spear]

That's not a screw?

[edgy bolt]

THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PC FACING THE FANS

thats the back

you nimbus

LMAOOO

[dull flint]

That's a thumbscrew that lets you access the back tho

[burnt spear]

Bruh

The right side of the pc

I was talking about the panel you have to take off

Not where the screws would be

[edgy bolt]

OK, well, i'll have to turn my pc off and disconnect it from power cuz, it is right up against the wall...i should really change my setup too...

Here

[edgy bolt]

subtract the power supply, monitor case and video card, this is what i hav

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/j8KhXk

[burnt spear]

It's an ok psu

It would be fine for a 14700k+3060 for sure

But whenever you want to upgrade gpu I'd likely change it

Those two ssds are not good

Sata is much slower than nvmes

The two in the list I sent earlier are much better

MUCH better

[scenic solar]

I recently bought another broken motherboard off eBay in order to get it working somehow, with the necessary repairs.
This one was listed as no power on (msi z370 gaming pro carbon) i put in a 8500 and 8gb of ram, connected everything, cmos too, but as I expected it didn't work. But I didn't want to end it there so I included the sketchy adapter that I use to turn on psus without mobos (it's an 20+4 extention with a switch on the power_on pin & gnd).
The motherboard powered on this time, most leds too, but also one red light on the cpu debugLed, followed by a 100% cpu fan speed. So I'm assuming it's not able to ~maybe~ detect the cpu?

[edgy bolt]

much more money as well

[edgy bolt]

i will buy a new pc completely once i want a gc. And once I do that, I'll also buy a new monitor

[burnt spear]

I would highly advise against sata ssds now

And they're not that much more I don't believe

Hell this is still a lot better and it's $20 cheaper
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/C3xbt6/team-mp33-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6002t0c101

Step up
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Nb2bt6/teamgroup-cardea-zero-z440-graphene-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp7002t0c311

And another step up
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/DN6NnQ/teamgroup-mp44-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fpw002t0c101

[edgy bolt]

What do you mean now?

6Gb/s is bad?

idk what M.2-2280 means

I'd rather buy what I can understand

Like, it doesn't even say how fast that one reads or writes

I did some research, that first one you linked is 4Gb/s

[edgy bolt]

It is worse, and $20 cheaper...

[burnt spear]

That's not what the ssd will do

[burnt spear]

That is not how that works

Hdds use a 6gb/s cable too

I gaurantee you an nvme is newer, faster, and better.

https://www.kingston.com/en/blog/pc-performance/nvme-vs-sata

[edgy bolt]

ok, hows this one then?

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/3QXJ7P/kingston-nv2-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-snv2s2000g

[cerulean wadi]

Among the lowest tier, ez pass.

[edgy bolt]

what about the Kingston Fury Renegade

[burnt spear]

The two I suggested to you are best value in Canada at the moment, but if you want a better drive I can take another look

This is the best ssd under $160 atm
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/2VJgXL/teamgroup-mp44l-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fpk002t0c101

Very solid drive

[edgy bolt]

if it maxes out a 5gb/s, why shouldn't i just get sata at 6gb/s?

[burnt spear]

?

[edgy bolt]

there are sata ssds at that same price...

[burnt spear]

Yes?

That are much worse

[edgy bolt]

yeah, so they are better

[edgy bolt]

6 is a number higher than 5 no?

[burnt spear]

I'm done with this conversation I can't tell if you're just being stubborn or genuinely don't understand but I'm not wasting my time with this anymore. Do your own research or waste your money it's really not my issue.

[edgy bolt]

lol, get something worse, for the same price as something better...that, right sure LMAOO

[burnt spear]

Brain rot

[edgy bolt]

bro doesn't know what numbers are

[burnt spear]

https://www.techspot.com/review/2116-storage-speed-game-loading/

[edgy bolt]

lol

THIS GUY!!

showing ss of stuff he never even linked that are worth $2k

[burnt spear]

You really 6gb/s is 600

Not 6000

[burnt spear]

???????

[edgy bolt]

6gb/s is 6000mb/s...

[burnt spear]

I gave you resources, use them or don't. Bye

Hdds are 6gb/s

[edgy bolt]

the one you showed me, my ss, says 5000mb/s...not 6, 6 is better

6000>5000

Sata 6gb/s...ssd

[burnt spear]

Actually I'm back for one more

[edgy bolt]

oh ok, there you go

good point

forgot about bit and byte

[burnt spear]

Jesus christ

[cursive epoch]

the small difference of gigabyte and gigabit

also please, don't be condescending in conversations, even if you're not wrong or don't realize yet. this is a friendly reminder

[dull flint]

[sudden creek]

Bacca is just trying to help you. If you have questions or are confused please ask politely. No need to be passive aggressive.

No one here is being paid to help others. We do it because we want to.

That being said, NVMe drives even in the budget end are going to be much faster and in my experience more reliable then SATA drives.

Also you can usually find a budget gen 3 NVMe for the price of a data nowadays at the same capacity. Sometimes even cheaper.

On a different topic, @dull flint after having gotten my replacement chip and used it for a while I am now of the same opinion. "When it works, it works great" and that I don't think I can recommend the CPU to someone unless they are prepared to likely deal with some kind of finicky issue.

[grizzled bloom]

I'm of the same opinion. Having used the 7900X3D for a while now, I've found a few games that just don't behave how you'd expect or have weird issues. This is mostly limited to smaller studio and indie games, and it's often fixed with process lasso.
There are 2 games I play that still stutter badly, even with process lasso. Watching core usage, when it stutters every core spikes to 100% for a moment, even inactive cores and even restricting the game to 3D cores.

[sudden creek]

I wonder if I am running into the same issue with the stutters in Warframe.

I have it set to CCD0 only with process lasso.

[grizzled bloom]

You can disable CCD1 and test like that

[dull flint]

Sometimes I get a bit of luck just relying on the scheduler in windows to do it instead of lasso

[grizzled bloom]

A lot of the time yes that works perfectly with no extra steps, but when you're talking about small studios that don't have the resources to optimize it like Forever Skies (Far From Home) you'll need a few extra steps.

[dull flint]

Of course

Just adding to the discussion it's one option here lol

[sudden creek]

Warframe devs seem to be pretty good though so I am kinda surprised I am experiencing stuttering with it despite using Process Lasso.

[restive thicket]

I noticed I had stutters happen when going from my 3080 to my 4070-S (long story). I didn't change any settings so I could only guess it us a gpu architecture thing as technically I gained 80+ average fps.

Transitioning from the 3080 10G to the 4070-S on War Thunder I also gained average fps by a factor of 60 - 80 on the same settings but I also notice that seeing things through gaps in trees that there is more aggressive culling on the 4070-S

So stuttering could also be gpu architecture related

[sudden creek]

Might be. In any case telling the game to let windows handle GPU performance preference instead of them has fixed most of the stuffers.

[wind karma]

So a friend bought a case with argb fans and a motherboard with no argb header. Is something like this the best option for using the rgb?
https://www.newegg.com/p/1YF-01R4-00004?Item=9SIBT2UK3H1295

[scenic solar]

My strix z270e gaming has 3 snapped VCCSA pin, from what i was able to understand those are for supplying power to the mem and pcie controllers. That likely explains the memory errors with any dimm configuration. Assuming those are simple vcc pins, they should provide a costant voltage, do they?
Just want to know if they're all shorted together (so they all act the same way, same voltages at the same times). If that's the case I could try my best to create a connection / birdge between the pads that font male contact on the cpu. *still have no idea how I'd do that

^ Those are the missing ones, one is a gnd (another gnd is missing but it's farther on the socket), should not be affected since that's quite redundant.

Rn I've only tested ram, hopefully pcie and audio controllers are not affected (yes, there's a connection to the audio chip too)

[grizzled bloom]

Constant yes (sort of, there's droop) but variable according to the motherboard's requirements and settings

[scenic solar]

So those together all provide the same exact power outputs? let's say that one cannot be feeding power while another vccsa next to it is not (turned off)

[grizzled bloom]

Idk how the behavior works on 1151

[amber canopy]

@scenic solar do you have a hot air station

[scenic solar]

Nope
But I would like to

Were you thinking about replacing the whole socket?

[amber canopy]

yup

[scenic solar]

That's quite challenging even for more experienced people. I have some really basic soldering skills, learning how to use a hot air station + being able to re-ball components like ICs, SoCs, cpu & gpu dies and sockets would require a lot of time and dedication.
Hopefully I get into this sort of things because they can be useful when having to repair devices the hard way

[amber canopy]

I'll send you a video when I get home

It can be way more simple than that but yea still delicate

[shy wyvern]

MSI is so dumb. Updating bios bricked my motherboard. Messaged MSI support about it and they won't help me because it's 8 days out of warranty.

Then I got this gem

"We do not recommend updating BIOS if not needed"

??????

Are you actually insane tf you mean

[grizzled bloom]

I had the same garbage happen, except the update killed my CPU by shoving way too much voltage into it.

This was after AMD specifically recommended updating BIOS to fix a potentially major security hole.

[dull flint]

Go after them for this. It's being pushed out there that people need to bios update to save their i7's and i9's from degradation due to baseline voltages

Ridiculous statement

8 days out of warranty what a joke

Npc answer

Lol

[wind karma]

I mean, yeah, it's pretty common to not update bios unless there is a major vulnerability or compatibility issue

[wind karma]

Just the support person reading their script so they don't get fired

save their i7's and i9's from degradation due to baseline voltages
good reason to update though

[dull flint]

Not having leniency for practically a week is a bit of a nasty way to respond

Imo

Sure, it's technically correct, however with motherboards violating intel spec

[grizzled bloom]

MSI pulled the same garbage with me. AMD too.

[dull flint]

I don't think it's valid behaviour

Morally incorrect

[grizzled bloom]

It's anti consumer at the least

[dull flint]

Urge everyone to update to a new bios for better baseline voltages to avoid cpu destruction
Bios bricks motherboard at manufacturers advice

There's a case for a valid claim here

[wind karma]

yes this part is very valid to get mad about

[dull flint]

He was following good intent

Asus did this same thing with AM5 last year

And that one result

Blew up into a huge backlash

People were dumping asus left right and center and they lost that rep of being the golden child of enthusiast pc gaming

Meanwhile cpus exploding left right and centre lolol

I'm sure the rep didn't know better but that's still a company failure to me

[shy wyvern]

THAT'S WHY I DID IT BECAUSE 13TH GEN HAS THAT ISSUE WITH THE 13700K

[shy wyvern]

Did they tell you to not update the bios?

I'm too tired to deal with the nonsense so I ended up ordering another board

[dull flint]

Go straight back and keep asking

[shy wyvern]

Is it worth all of that for a $180 board

[dull flint]

You need to be clear with them that's why you did it

That's a you call lol

I would

[shy wyvern]

I work 60 hours a week idk if I have the mental stamina to push back on BS trained reps

[dull flint]

Fair enough

I'd just show them this

https://www.techspot.com/news/102764-gigabyte-msi-provide-bios-settings-addressing-intel-crashing.html

Tell them "I'm working under your guidance to update the board, now it's dead".

Here's an msi official press release
https://wccftech.com/msi-offers-bios-guide-to-improve-gaming-stability-with-intel-14th-13th-gen-cpus/

It explicitly states 13900K and 14900K but 13700K and 14700K are affected too by this, it's not out of scope

[dim granite]

Howdy everyone. I bought a pc few years back, having some problems, seems like everyone who bought this PoS is having the same problem with the boot bios. From my understanding the motherboard needs to be replaced. I’d like to do it myself, but do not know what my options are for a new motherboard. Here is the link to the pc. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-legion-tower-5-amd-gaming-desktop-amd-ryzen-7-5700g-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-512gb-ssd-1tb-hdd/6476717.p?skuId=6476717

[sudden creek]

An AM4 board is gonna be what you want.

Something like a B550 will do fine.

Even a really basic one like a B550 DS3H from Gigabyte (next to no QoL features but gets the job done)

[dim granite]

Thank you, would going with a nicer make the pc run better? I had upgraded the ram to 64 gigs.

[cursive epoch]

Since it's just a 5700G

Anything will work boards wise

But I recommend TUF A520M GAMING PLUS wifi

Since you might want wifi anyway

[dim granite]

I don’t use WiFi, have my fiber plugged directly in.

[cursive epoch]

Alrighty

Then any 500 series boards will work

A520, B550

[dim granite]

Thx guys

[sudden creek]

Not really. the benefit of higher end boards is usually more I/O, NVMe slots, and better VRMs.

The VRMs is important for higher end chips but a 5700G doesn't need a very good set of VRMs to run.

[dim granite]

Thank you, so something like this would be fine? MSI B550-A PRO ProSeries Motherboard (AMD AM4, DDR4, PCIe 4.0, SATA 6Gb/s, M.2, USB 3.2 Gen 2, HDMI/DP, ATX)

[cursive epoch]

Mhm

[burnt spear]

I'm pretty sure that case is OEM

Meaning it only fits certain mobos, but I could be wrong

[cursive epoch]

It's a lenovo

It uses standard form factor

The legion tower 5 specifically

[cursive epoch]

Tho a warning, you must get matx board. Mot an atx

The case only fits matx

[sudden creek]

More then enough. So yeah.

[dim granite]

Ok, so now I have to narrow down a mboard that will fit a matx? Any ideas with that?

[sudden creek]

If you want to go super budget friendly, get what I have. B550M DS3H from Gigabyte. It's about as basic a board can get but it will run a 5700g.

[grizzled bloom]

PSA: The latest Gigabyte Z790 beta BIOS update is unstable. Do not use the beta update. Use the latest stable version.

[lethal cipher]

Looking for some help. Trying to find memory for my computer, but I am striking out. Here is the information. HP Spectre x360 2-in-1 Laptop Intel Core i7-1360P 2.20 GHz 16GB Memory 1 TB PCIe SSD 16.0" UHD + Touchscreen Intel Arc A370M Windows 11 Home 16-F2023DX

[limber dragon]

16gb, if you dm me the SN, I can dig up some stuff for you

should be sodimm ddr5, but might not be able to upgrade it, and google search of the mobo is only coming back with 1 pic

https://www.ebay.com/itm/166321103817 there's a cover over either the soldered ram, or the socket for the ram, and I cant tell which

[scenic solar]

I'm testing out the 8600k i recently bought. Cinebench r23 scores are not what i'd expect, they should be 1250SC and 6800MC. I get 1100 and 6100. I had this same problem with the i5 8500, but only on this other windows 10 install. Previously (before reinstalling windows) I was able to get past the scores that can be found online. I'm not sure what the difference is between the two installations, maybe i forgot some setting in windows? Power plan is set to best performance, cincebench priority in task manager is set to normal. What could that be?

I had no hardware changes other than the cpu itself and the ram, i currently run 8gb 2666mts (that's the highest the motherboard supports), but I don't think it would affect a cpu test that much

+iirc I had tested with 16gb @2666 and I was unable to get those scores again after windows reinstall (update: currently tested with 16gb, same results)

[scenic solar]

Idk if any of these matter

Boot performance mode: max battery, max non turbo perf, turbo perf.
Fclk: 400, 800, 1000 mhz.

Let's see if anything changes with uefi defaults nope

[scenic solar]

I forgot to mention I moved the ssd with windows to different machines a few times, all intel lga1151 based but I always avoided installing drivers so I wouldn't get these sort of conflicts (if that's the case).
Windows may have installed something to work better but messed up with the different hardware configs...
Should I uninstall all motherboard-cpu related drivers form device manager?

[grizzled bloom]

Windows always installs drivers, and downloads some from windows update, by default.
You can prevent this but you have to go out of your way to disable it. If you're suspecting the issue might stem from moving the drive around then you can always reinstall or refresh windows.

Uninstalling things from device manager doesn't work because unless you're in safe mode it only shows currently active devices, and you don't want to uninstall what you're currently running.

[scenic solar]

Refresh windows? What do you mean with that? I'm not reinstalling again because thats going to take a lot of time

[scenic solar]

Ok, got it

Are you referring to what pops up as "update windows" during the installation process which basically reinstalls the os only?

[scenic solar]

Thats going to reset all personalization settings and control panel settings?

[grizzled bloom]

Those are backed up to your MS account

[scenic solar]

Even on windows 10? What if I'm logged in with the same account on different devices? What personalized windows settings will i get back, the ones from the local machine?

[grizzled bloom]

The hardware ID will still be the same so it should automatically know what machine you're on

If not you can always do it manually

[scenic solar]

Ok so basically windows will be reinstalled and I won't notice a single thing has changed?

[grizzled bloom]

You'll still have to install any missing drivers and programs

The registry gets reset

But your files and accounts remain intact

Luckily major programs like steam and discord know how to handle this and will automatically ask to install themselves when you try to launch them again from the existing shortcuts

[scenic solar]

So it is going to uninstall all programs, including ones for benchanrking? I tought personal files included those

[grizzled bloom]

Personal files do not include programs. The program data itself is untouched, the registry installation data is deleted.

Basically anything stored in the C:\Windows folder is probably getting reset

[scenic solar]

I'm getting a bit confused here... will Program files (/x86) be removed?

I literally have all sorts of programs I need for benchmarking, reinstalling them takes hours

[grizzled bloom]

No, the programs folder will be untouched. The installation information stored in the registry, which is in the Windows folder, will be deleted.

Many programs work perfectly fine even in this uninstalled state with no registry data

[scenic solar]

Oh okk, understood.
I guess most programs will recreate the necessary files in the registries if needed

I'll have to do that tomorrow since it's likely going to take quite some time

Just want to check what the pc does as it resets. Never done that before. Usually when I look away from a pc for one second it implodes

[grizzled bloom]

The process itself takes about 15 minutes on a SSD but the real time waster is reinstalling and testing things

[scenic solar]

Oh really, I thought it would take longer. Good to know

[mental moat]

My bad

Anyway

I did a messy issue with my ram

Basically i overclocked it a bit in order to test high sleeds

But now not even the software boots up

And i saw online its about clearing cmos or something

I just wanted to know what i can do to fix it

Do i have to clear cmos?

[ripe tartan]

It’s a good step

[mental moat]

But i cant find the battery

Do i have to take off both sides

I have a b550 pro wifi motherboard

I think its behind my graphics card which will be a pain to fix

Oh i see it