cpus-mobo-and-memory

[limber dragon]

I'd do as Fal said and verify one by one that the cables are plugged in properly to the right connectors (eps and pcie are the important ones), and test with a working PSU

usually when there's a fault within the PSU on the 12v power rails, it shouldnt work with the 24 pin since there's a few 12v in that too

[scenic solar]

At this point I don't know what to try except for the PSU to find the problem. Switched up the dimms because why not
This is taking a lot of days

Maybe {maybe [maybe (maybe)]} I solved he dimm lighting problem, they were configured as slot #3#4 in iCue so it could be that it had difficulties figuring out where the second dimm was (#2)

[grizzled bloom]

iC*u things ™️

[deft creek]

I have a 14900K/ROG Strix Z790-E gaming wifi/corsair vengeance 2x32GB 6400CL32 that's confounding me, it will POST but not boot into windows with asus defaults and XMP enabled (I have a slower kit of corsair dominator 2x32GB 5600CL40 that can boot but will freeze in windows with certain workloads when XMP is enabled)
Today I tried changing my SA voltage from default (1.35V) to 1.15V and disabling MRC fast boot, it booted into win just fine and didn't crash during any benchmarks, so i opened a bunch of different games, vtubing apps, unity, OBS, LR/PS that would normally most definitely crash an unstable system, but it hasn't crashed in hours.
But now I have no idea why the ASUS defaults for system agent voltage would cause the PC to fail so catastrophically, google has been of no help either b/c there are some people who claim a SA voltage of 0.95-1.05V is fine while others say they are running theirs at 1.4V+.

[cyan raft]

All voltages have sweet spots, it’s up to you to find them

1.4V SA voltage is way too high and will probably degrade the CPU

[deft creek]

i agree, but i'm just not sure why the system is non-functional with the asus default setting for SA voltage

[grizzled bloom]

Higher voltage increases the temperature of the component, which can lead to instability

[dull flint]

All training algorithms on a motherboard are dreamed up by someone at some point for each combo

As sussy said, it sweet spots

You can have like, 1.16V SA and nothing is ever stable ever, won't even post

Then 1.15v is 1000% stable (and this absolutely does happen with ddr5)

[grizzled bloom]

Not to mention Intel motherboard manufacturers have been tending to ask simply "what's the max safe voltage" and setting the default to 0.05v below that

[dull flint]

Pretty much yeah

It's a 64gb kit at that

On the harder side of the scale

Things like Asus MCE can have an effect on that

[deft creek]

yikes

[dull flint]

Is how it is

Also the ongoing rep of Corsair kits locking themselves down to avoid overvoltage may not help either

[deft creek]

I lowered SA voltage to 0.95V and it seems to still be running, but i don't have time to do a long burn test atm

[dull flint]

If your board isn't training it properly it may be in need of a bios update

Or manual stress testing yes

[deft creek]

the bios is up to date

[dull flint]

Not really up to date

To a different bios

[deft creek]

is it good practice to just leave MRC safe boot off until you have finalized your settings?

[dull flint]

Some bios' have terrible stability with certain combos

[dull flint]

I think it's probably unrelated in this equation

In all my ddr5 experience I've never found this a requisite

[deft creek]

i see

[dull flint]

System agent voltage can and will cause results like you've had

Especially per cpu

All cpu's, ram and mobo have their own sweet spots

[deft creek]

i'm just unfamiliar with the concept of lowering voltage to achieve stability

[dull flint]

That's a ddr5 trait for sure

[deft creek]

yup, i changed it back to auto and it crashed at the windows login screen

[dull flint]

Which?

SA?

[deft creek]

CPU System Agent Voltage

the auto value in bios reads 1.345V atm

[dull flint]

That's hilariously high lmfao

I'd need that much for like, 7800-8000

[deft creek]

that is what asus thinks should be the default

[dull flint]

Yes

And someone programmed this

So I'd try a different bios, an older one might be much better

Or if that doesn't work

Consider manual stress testing

Considering it's a 14900K, I'd say 2 hours of y-cruncher vst at the max

[deft creek]

I mean, if i find a range of values that works, all i am interested in doing is undervolting the 14900k a little bit and then my work is done

[dull flint]

2 hours at a stock power limit

So 255W max

14900K will degrade from slamming the cpu too much under overclocked conditions

So I highly suggest running these tests at stock conditions

[deft creek]

i turned on MCE just to run cinebench

[dull flint]

Would definitely recommend

[deft creek]

but i'll probably return it to stock for normal use

[dull flint]

Did you know that enough cinebench runs can degrade 13th/14th? Lol

[deft creek]

i don't run it very often

[dull flint]

If you want a reference, overclock.net and go look at the z790 motherboard threads

Stress tests are known to degrade

This is specific to 13th and 14th though

[dull flint]

Like a few passes won't hurt anyone, just don't do like, hours of it

[deft creek]

long story, but i had a 13900K that never behaved, i got a 14900K after i RMAed it

[dull flint]

Same motherboard?

[deft creek]

nope, i systematically replaced every component in the PC

b/c i was in denial that it was the CPU that was going bad

[dull flint]

Wow, you hit the rma lottery then

CPU going bad is rare

[deft creek]

yeah

[dull flint]

I've had 3 of them

[deft creek]

i RMA'ed my seasonic 1000W titanium first

then RMAed my 3090 but gigabyte found nothing wrong with it and returned it to me

[dull flint]

Heh, you're in us?

[deft creek]

tried different SSDs, then replaced the rog strix z790-e

yeah

the 13900K was all that was left

[dull flint]

I'd take that gigabyte rma with a grain of salt

Still, bad training algo could cause all of this

[deft creek]

I couldn't blame the gigabyte 3090 when i couldn't boot into windows setup through the iGPU

[dull flint]

Fair enough

[deft creek]

this is by far the most cursed PC i've owned though

[dull flint]

So I think, you may have to consider testing this with mce disabled and stock settings

So SA to an adjusted sweet spot

[deft creek]

i'll leave SA at 1.05V for now, since it seemed to work at 0.95V and definitely worked at 1.15V

[dull flint]

You can also bump dram voltage, your 6400 C32 hynix kit scales positively up until about 1.45V

[deft creek]

the profile calls for 1.4V @ 6400

and it seems to be stable now

[dull flint]

Mm

[deft creek]

it was the system agent voltage all along

[dull flint]

The chips in that kit though should be fine up to about 1.6V though

But I'd recommend a fan over the ram over about, 1.5-ish

Just passing this info along so you have something to work with later

[deft creek]

it's in an o11 dynamic bottom intake top exhaust config, it should be fine

[dull flint]

Vert mount or nah

[deft creek]

nah

[dull flint]

Upright

?

[deft creek]

this one is my work/stream PC, it sits under my desk so i can't be bothered to make it pretty

[dull flint]

Ok then yeah, GPU will be dumping hot air all over the ram

[deft creek]

they are pretty cool to the touch

[dull flint]

Worth remembering this, I would def recc a fan if you decide to change the dram voltage

I'm also in an o11 evo

And I tried this with a z5 kit of 6400 c32

2x32

I stand by the suggestion if you find yourself needing this

[deft creek]

that was another reason why i disliked 4x16GB, your ram will cook itself while sandwiched

[dull flint]

Yes

Especially this many chips

Though 2 slot boards handle it way better than 4 slot

[deft creek]

I would love to shove one of my 5950X systems in a SFF case, but how would i cool it lol

[dull flint]

A lot of the newer aio's are better at handling it

You could def run a 5950x at stock on a good 240

Ryzen's issue is not radiator saturation but ihs transfer

Good 240 rads can happily do 500w+

[deft creek]

i'm running one of them in an o11 air mini with a 280mm and the other in a fractal meshify c on a hyper 212 evo lol

[dull flint]

Hyper 212?

[deft creek]

it isn't too happy, but i only use it for chrome nowadays

it will be fine

[dull flint]

Lmfao

Just opening chrome it probably screams

Don't open too many tabs too fast

[deft creek]

it's basically idling though

[vast meadow]

Idling at 50c in winter? Unless your room is like 35c that's not normal idle temps

[cyan raft]

It’s on a 212

Not surprised by those temps

[patent shard]

is this normal CPU temp for idle status

[grizzled bloom]

On air cooling yes

[amber canopy]

5950x on a 212? 💀

[naive pendant]

Ok, question, I have the option to buy two different system upgrades. Both of them are the same price, one has a 7700x the other has a 12900K. I am currently rocking a 5800x, which I know is not a bad platform, but I am looking for more, since MSFS just takes as much as I can throw at it. Which one do you guys think I should go for?

[grizzled bloom]

Do you know if the memory on the 12900k system is DDR4 or DDR5? If it's DDR4 that's an easy call, pass that up immediately and go 7700X.
If it's DDR5, then it's a harder call to make. In that game, the two processors offer near identical performance, in which case whichever system has better specs on the rest of the parts (especially GPU) is the better choice.

[naive pendant]

They are both DDR5-6000, I will be keeping my 3080ti, since well you know, GPU's are too expensive.

[patent shard]

im on AIO cooling.....

also, CPU is 12% on load rn and is at 53 degrees

normal?

if this aint normal i might need to take my cpu apart, maybe my thermal paste wasn't enough

[grizzled bloom]

12% load means it's not idle, it sounds like a background task is using 100% of 1 core

Which most often traces back to a RGB program

iCue in particular does this

[dull flint]

5800x3d

msfs LOVES

5800x3d

one of the few times it's worth it's weight in gold

[grizzled bloom]

Yes the 5800X3D beats both the 12900k and 7700x in msfs

[dull flint]

or 7800x3d

[grizzled bloom]

7800X3D would be the GOAT

[dull flint]

x3d is just a whole different ball game for msfs

[obtuse forge]

Anyone know if it’s possible for a MSI b550 mortar to run a 5800x3d under full load?

[dull flint]

should do

[grizzled bloom]

Considering "full load" for that CPU is 75W, literally any motherboard can do it

[naive pendant]

Funny thing is, I would be spending less money if I got the 5800x3D

[dull flint]

Yes

More money ≠ more better

[naive pendant]

Truth

[vast meadow]

While x3d is great especially for msfs imo save up a bit more and get a 7800x3d something like this would be worth the upgrade imo (assuming you're in the US anyway)

[vast meadow]

Something like this is what I'd do if you're in the US (and you could use your current cooler on the 5800x for it)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HXJvZJ

[naive pendant]

What memory should I get for this PC? Best brand and value? Don't mind spending $80-$120. I would like to at least keep it below $115 if possible.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JsHyt7

I'll be using it to game, 3D model and render, search the web and etc.

Oh and need a 32 GB kit.

[vast meadow]

At current prices I'd get this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cCKscf/silicon-power-value-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp032gxlwu60afdeae

[naive pendant]

These good for gaming and work?

Thx btw

[vast meadow]

Yep

Ram is ram no real difference once the mhz cl and capacity are the same

[naive walrus]

Hi I have an old Aspire Aecer desktop model no ATC-705-UC52 with intel i7 gen 4 socket 1150and mother board MATX Any one know a good mother board replacement Isuspect the mob is dead

Here is the spec for the computer https://www.newegg.com/acer-aspire-tc-atc-705-uc52-r-student-home-office/p/N82E16883101399

Is this a good mothe boarad https://www.amazon.com/MACHINIST-Motherboard-H81-Processor-H81M-PRO/dp/B09DVCV3LT/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=h81%2Bmotherboard&qid=1702229115&sr=8-2&th=1

[naive pendant]

Is this better and better value than the other ones mentioned? Idk if I'm getting these I'm just wondering.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jGZpz6

[dull flint]

I wouldn't use that cooler with that cpu

Nor that ram either

[wicked gorge]

is there a place where you can print off the mounting holes layout for a motherboard? i want to make a custom layout and my cnc machinist friend, wants a layout to put in the lazer cutter

[hollow thorn]

ATX is a standard, so you can find specifics like on page 12 of this
https://cdn.instructables.com/ORIG/FS8/5ILB/GU59Z1AT/FS85ILBGU59Z1AT.pdf

[wicked gorge]

thank you! iv been searching for hours XD i didn't have the right wordage for google is seems.

[hollow thorn]

You're welcome, good luck with your project

[sudden creek]

Interesting, 7950x3d cheaper then 14900K rn.

Going 7950x3D cheaper then 13/14900K.

About to buy parts in a moment.

Going with these parts:
7950x3D (Game & Work)
X670-P motherboard from MSI
ram, would like some help with this. Debating on this kit: https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/product/B0BPHRJX6F/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1G99GVHAT2WD8&psc=1

[pale fox]

Hey I'm going from a Ryzen 5 5600x to a Ryzen 9 5900 in terms of performance how good is it?

[cerulean wadi]

Gaming, very little. "Work", depends highly on if something really puts all the cores to use.

[dull flint]

gaming performance same

workstation performance > anywhere that can use the second 5600x worth of cores on it, will benefit

[grizzled bloom]

If you're gaming the upgrade to do would be the 5800X3D, which can get you about 15% more fps on average

[forest grove]

Hello, I want to buy this motherboard https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813162148?Item=N82E16813162148 and im trying to figure out which memory will be compatible for running 32gbx4 setup to achieve 128gb in total

[grizzled bloom]

Do you actually have a need for that much memory? Because having that much actively hurts performance unless you're using most of it.
As for which ones will be compatible, you want to look for kits that are sold as complete 4x32gb or 2x64gb kits. Don't buy 2 sets and put them together. They will be much slower than a smaller amount of memory, possibly as slow as 4800-5600.

[forest grove]

Not finding any 2x64gb or 4x32gb kits

I'm looking for something in the ballpark of 5600mhz

I am a daytrader + do a lot of video editing and compiling, and right now I have 64gb of ram on my current build with a amd 3700x

I am currently building a i9-14900k, asrock z790 nova wifi, m2 drives, and looking to increase my ram size

[grizzled bloom]

4 sticks is an absolute pain to get working at all on LGA1700. you'll be lucky to hit the rating on these. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HKn9TW/corsair-vengeance-128-gb-4-x-32-gb-ddr5-5600-cl40-memory-cmk128gx5m4b5600c40

[forest grove]

The only options I see at the moment are:

Ddr5-8000mhz 48gb (2x24gb)

Ddr5-???mhz 64gb (2x32gb)

Just crazy they make a board that can support 192gb, and the ram doesn't even exist to be able to fulfill it

[forest grove]

I saw this kit on Newegg, was looking for something with rgb

[grizzled bloom]

Same kit with RGB https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/PNsV3C/corsair-vengeance-rgb-128-gb-4-x-32-gb-ddr5-5600-cl40-memory-cmh128gx5m4b5600c40

[forest grove]

So why wouldn't u suggest running 2 kits of let's say 2x32gb gskill ripsaws together

[forest grove]

Because in theory this is just 4 x 32gb sticks in one box...

[grizzled bloom]

2 reasons. They're designed and guaranteed to run at their rated speed only as they're bundled. If you get a faster 2x32gb kit and double it, you won't be able to use the memory profiles. Also there's a chance that the different kits, even the same model kits, are using different memory dies and would be totally incompatible.

[forest grove]

Okay

Wish gskill had a kit

So the board will support up to ddr5-8000mhz

Would u suggest running 128gb of the 5600mhz using one of those kits or running like 48gb of the 8000?

https://pg.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z790 Nova WiFi/index.asp#Specification

[grizzled bloom]

Kingston does but it's white. And also more expensive.

96GB would be a good compromise

[forest grove]

Memory
- Dual Channel DDR5 Memory Technology
- 4 x DDR5 DIMM Slots
- Supports DDR5 non-ECC, un-buffered memory up to 8000+(OC)*
- Max. capacity of system memory: 192GB
- Supports Intel® Extreme Memory Profile (XMP) 3.0*

* 1DPC 1R Up to 8000+ MHz (OC), 4800 MHz Natively. 1DPC 2R Up to 6800+ MHz (OC), 4400 MHz Natively. 2DPC 1R Up to 6000+ MHz (OC), 4000 MHz Natively. 2DPC 2R Up to 5600+ MHz (OC), 3600 MHz Natively.

[grizzled bloom]

You'd be able to run it faster too
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/xDcgXL/gskill-trident-z-rgb-96-gb-2-x-48-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-f5-6400j3239f48gx2-tz5rk

[forest grove]

Not sure if that's possible

Ah, didn't see any 48gb sticks

[grizzled bloom]

48GB sticks are a thing now yeah lol

[forest grove]

What happened to good ol 32gb and 64gb

Now we got 24gb and 48gb

[grizzled bloom]

Hynix decided to make 24Gb dies to shake things up, and they're really, really good for absurd reasons.

It used to be 16Gb were the best but now you can hit over 10000 on a 24GB stick

[forest grove]

6800mhz looks to be about the fastest available in a 96gb kit

[grizzled bloom]

Yes. The most memory you can get without compromising speed will be 48GB. Though I'd hardly call 6800 a compromise still, it's plenty fast.

[forest grove]

I'm running 3600mhz now, so it's a big jump

Which mhz speed would u suggest

I'm not looking to max it out with 8000mhz or anything

[grizzled bloom]

6400 is a good target I think. It should pretty much work out of the box without much, if any, manual tuning.

If you don't mind tweaking SA voltage and stuff like that you can aim higher.

[forest grove]

I'm more or so looking to plug it in and it works

[grizzled bloom]

This would be good then

Picked RGB g.skill for you

[forest grove]

Only difference between the trident and ripsaws is the rgb right ?

[grizzled bloom]

Basically yes

[forest grove]

Okay great. I appreciate the help and guidance

[amber canopy]

i need more ddr3

[dull flint]

V

V

AMD edition LOL

[split copper]

almost looks like patriot viper 3

I still prefer the patriot lol

[tall iron]

Hi hello, I’m looking to upgrade my pc was wondering if I should do it now with the new gen CPUs or wait till next November when the next gen comes out

[burnt spear]

If you do that you'll be waiting decades

If you feel the need to upgrade, then upgrade

If you're satisfied with what you have, then wait

It also depends on what games you play, what resolution you play at, and what gpu/cpu you currently have

[tall iron]

Dang it’s cuz I was looking at the i7 14700k but I’ve been told that 14th gen intel is a let down

[burnt spear]

What do you use your pc for?

If just gaming 7000 series is better value

[tall iron]

Currently running a i5 9600k and as gpu 2070s

[tall iron]

Gaming and school I’m a engineer student and I do a lot of 3D rendering

Some video editing as well

[burnt spear]

Do any of the softwares you use require multi core performance?

And how serious is the workstation use, because if it's demanding and uses multi core 14700k could be a great idea

If your 3d rendering requires gpu performance, you'd likely benefit more overall by a better gpu instead of cpu

If you do cpu, but don't need multi core perf
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9xM2gb

And for 14700k, though there's a lot of other mobo options https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BBRvDZ

That's just great value, at $130 it's great

[tall iron]

That I’m unsure about but for the past year I’ve noticed that my cpu has been running around 100%

[burnt spear]

Hm, what softwares?

[tall iron]

Mainly Cad and inventor but it’s also been running near 100% when I’m gaming

I use to have a live wallpaper but I stopped that cuz I was getting bad frames with it on

[burnt spear]

Cad from what I know likes everything, cpu gpu and ram

Inventor I'm not sure on

So I'd day either way, also check your ram usage. If you've 32gb and you consistently see 90%+ usage it would probably be worth spending more for more ram, either 48gb or 64gb

[tall iron]

I have 16gbs

This is what I was originally looking at

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DjcpBL

[burnt spear]

Any reasons you chose that mobo?

Do you plan to cpu overclock, do you need a lot of storage, or do you plan to ram tune?

[tall iron]

USB slots

[burnt spear]

Ram tuning imo I would recommend, with ddr5 hynix you can buy the kit I had in the list and spend 5 min in bios and have noticeably better performance than an xmp kit

[burnt spear]

You can get a USB hub for like $10 tho

Also the b760 has 7 usbs, which is only 1 less. Not trying to tell you what to do, just making sure you have all the info so you know what you're buying. If you decide the z790 is what fits you best, go for it

[tall iron]

No I really appreciate it I’m just trying to get as much info before I start throwing money down

[burnt spear]

There's also other options, like
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mYnypg/gigabyte-z790-gaming-x-ax-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-gaming-x-ax
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/y4KKHx/asrock-z790-pg-sonic-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-pg-sonic
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WDMMnQ/asrock-z790-lightning-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-lightning-wifi

[burnt spear]

100%

For the ram

Do you know what ram dies are?

Basically, ram die is who manufactures it. Hynix makes two dies for ddr5, both which are really good in their own way. A die and M die. A die is better for intel, M die is better for amd. A die can do high speeds like 7600c32-36-36-74 easily

M die can do low timings, like 6000c30-32-32-66 or something like that

But you can get a hynix kit and set some very easy settings like those in 5 minutes in bios, and have a good bit better performance than just the default speeds like 6000c32-36-36-74

Anything 5600+ and cl32 or lower is gauranteed hynix

[tall iron]

Ok than would recommend the ones you sent than?

[burnt spear]

The ram in that is gauranteed hynix yeah

Even if you don't mess with it now, you have the ability to down the line

Mobo is purely up to you, though I don't know how b760 vs z790 affects ram tuning

[tall iron]

Ok lastly I know this may sound dumb but any you recommend with rgb so if fits the aesthetic of my pc I know it’s dumb and useless

[burnt spear]

The oloy kit is rgb

[tall iron]

Oh it is I didn’t see that

[burnt spear]

If you want more rgb I believe there's a teamgroup rgb kit around $95-105 that's gaurangeed jynix

Or you can add rgb strips completely separate for anywhere from $10-30 or so

Can put them basically anywhere in the pc too

[tall iron]

Got you well thank you very much for your time I appreciate the help very much

[burnt spear]

Happy to, feel free to ping me if you've anything else to ask

[tall iron]

Ok will do thank again

[mystic inlet]

Wondering if I should upgrade now or wait till latter next year ( 2024) when the new stuff is supposed to come out. Maxing out the end of a gen seems to limit me latter on

[grizzled bloom]

AMD 8000 series is due early next year. It's supposed to be a significant bump over 7000. Intel is a flop this time around, maybe the next gen will be good but it's hard to tell this early on.

[long geyser]

Isnt that just Zen4 APUs coming out Q1 2024? Zen5 is just sometime during 2024 afaik.

Also, waiting game can always be applied at any point in time. "Nah, Im going to wait. It's just another 3 - 5 months". So I'd be a bit careful about playing that game.

[grizzled bloom]

Hawk Point APUs are due earlier next year yes, but Zen 5 is due Q2 which I still consider pretty early since it could be april-may.

And yeah you need to weigh the pros and cons when playing the waiting game. How much benefit would you specifically get from processor improvements?

[limber dragon]

gib 8800x3d

[cyan raft]

Completely unrelated to his question but there are now technically 3 Hynix dies because there is a 16gbit M-die and a 24Gbit m-die

[spiral echo]

Would compiling benefit from CAS or RAM speed? I’d assume speed no?

[cursive epoch]

no

cpu matters the most with compiling

core count and how fast each cores are in terms of ipc

cache amount

[cyan raft]

CAS latency has almost no impact on performance whatsoever

But yeah cpu matters most for compiling

[sudden creek]

Pretty sure there is also a 24Gbit A-Die from hynix.

[cyan raft]

There isn’t

[sudden creek]

Oh, I thought there ones. then what's the Hynix A-Die used on the 2x24GB from T-Create?

oh wait, it's 12Gbit not 24Gbit isn't it?

[dull flint]

Tcreate likely has 24gbit 5h24m

Or m die for short

There is no 24gbit or 12gbit hynix A afaik

Only 16gbit

[cyan raft]

It’s Hynix 24gbit M-die on the 2x24 kits

[sudden creek]

For a short period they had 2x24 Hynix A-Fie kits on Amazon.

Maybe they had a quiet launch or smth?

Or it was a typo idk.

[cyan raft]

Yeah that doesn’t exist

[olive totem]

will they be am5 platform still

[sudden creek]

Yes. AMD said they'd stay on AM5 for I think 3 or 5 years I forgot.

[vast meadow]

Don't think they made a commitment this time like they did with am4

But yes at least 8000 series will be am5

[cyan raft]

8000 will be, 9000 probably will have a new socket

[dull flint]

What if 9000 was next huh

[amber canopy]

wow guys did you hear about those new dominator platinum ram corsair released?!?!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2LLvoiF0N8&ab_channel=LinusTechTips

[sudden creek]

How good this feels!

Man I can't wait for the ram to arrive 🙂

[lyric turret]

I got all my parts but I’m putting it together tommrow🥹

[manic glen]

guys asking whats wrong with my i7-10700 cpu. its a legit i7-10700. but it only displays 4 cores.

[vast meadow]

Uh send a screenshot? Just gave you permissions to do so

[lyric turret]

Oh alright, I’m doing my build today but I have to update my bios to a dif version to support my cpu should I do that rn with no parts in?

[lyric turret]

tur

true

im gonna start building

[lyric turret]

Hey

[vast meadow]

Yeah ?

[lyric turret]

Can you help me in a call? About my build

I’m confused on my SSD heatsink

[amber canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L66NBJhzIho&ab_channel=IcebergTech x99 best platform

[vast meadow]

Not able go atm but if you can try explain over text/pics i might be able to help but lets move this to #building-and-recc-chat

[lyric turret]

I gatta take apart my whole pc lol

[manic glen]

i fixed it now just a restart. but weirdly it does it again some other day

[vast meadow]

Uh I've never seen that before, what program are you using? I'd hope it's just a bad one

[manic glen]

im not using any program at all. i got an MSi H410m-A Pro motherboard

it sometimes run on 2.89ghz

also checked on power plan but its on high performance

temps seems to be okay under full load

[vast meadow]

Meant the program to look at the cores but hwinfo64 is a good tool

And it's showing 8 cores now after a restart? That's very very odd

[manic glen]

task manager

[manic glen]

its showing 8 cores now after i restarted 3x

its legit i7 tho

i got it from a physical store

[dull flint]

maybe the board is so whack that on a bios level it only understands 10100/f

[vast meadow]

That's what i thought but then i was like nahhh

[dull flint]

that board looks like it's not really up to the task of anything high power...

[vast meadow]

Task manager can be unreliable for that, use hwinfo64

[vast meadow]

Yeah it's not but it shouldn't limit cores

[dull flint]

I believe it's 3+1+1 doubled

[dull flint]

just stating it cos I think it may still be a slight issue

I really don't think anything more than a 10400 with a stock cooler should be on that board but maybe that's just me

[vast meadow]

Nono, that's about correct

[vast meadow]

Just a tiney tiny one

[manic glen]

im using hwinfo shows 8 cores

also i noticed a huge performance gainn

[vast meadow]

When it shows 4 in task manager, check hwinfo, if it shows 8 in hwinfo then it's just task manager being wacky

[manic glen]

after it shows 4 cores then it becomes to 8 cores

[manic glen]

okay

[vast meadow]

That's very weird

[manic glen]

next time it happened

[vast meadow]

Uh if hwinfo shows 4 cores, clear your cmos??

?cmos

[silk jungle]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[manic glen]

sure

i do hope that it wasnt my motherboard just something os connected

[dull flint]

could be an incorrect mount

[sudden creek]

Are all DDR5 T-Create kits using Hynix ICs? The one I bought from them was deemed undeliverable and did not arrive.

The same 5600cl46 kit that's guarenteed Hynix IC will take to long to arrive.

[manic glen]

okay now im facing something

BSoD code: System_Thread_Exception_Not_Handled

[manic glen]

tried cleaning my socket maybe it works. also changed thermal paste since its been 8 months. atm it looks normal and feels a lil faster

[amber canopy]

@dull flint guess what I got lmao

More ddr3 and best x79 chip

well some of the best ddr3

[timid stream]

Ok I have a problem with my RAMs ill try to explain: So I have B550f gaming motherboard and i was using kit of 16gb ram G skill ripjaw 2x8 3200mhz , wanted to upgrade memory and as i have researched Ryzen works better with 4 stick so i bought identical kit 2x8 3200 ripjaws , but whenever i put all 4 sticks pc starts booting but no display on monitor and yellow light on motherboard , but whenver i put 3 stick it works fine, i have no idea whats wrong with 4 stick (BIOS is up to date) every stick works fine 1 by 1 on every slot so idk what should i do...

cant bring it to tech cuz its far away and dont have time rightnow, so any kind of help will be appreciated.

[dull flint]

can you send us stickers of both kits of ram

the sticker on the ram will confirm everything I need/someone else needs to know to explain what's happening

[timid stream]

you mean backsides?

[dull flint]

mhm

[timid stream]

not sure if you mean this

[dull flint]

yes that

so you have two

completely different kits

they are the same sku

but underneath they are made from completely different manufacturers

one set is samsung 8gbit c die

the other is hynix 8gbit cjr

they run and train to a motherboard's compatibility completely differently

which explains why you have the orange dram light on your post code

they simply don't want to work with each other

[timid stream]

umh, but how they work as 3 then...

[dull flint]

I understand you may have been trying to avoid mixing kits here, but this is exactly what's happened

[dull flint]

3 sticks are easier to run

it's probably still raught with issues

so my suggestion here?

return the new kit

buy a 2x16gb kit

sell your current 2x8 kit that you've had

[timid stream]

that was my plan at the beginning but someone here told me that Ryzen works faster with 4ram so i went to 4 ram 😄

[dull flint]

hm

would love to meet that individual

I will slap them

no uh

what happens with typical ram kits

they tend to use a vast range of ram chips from multiple manufacturers

a lot of brands (not all, looking at you, corsair)

make sure the kits have the same chips inside their sticks that they sell as a set

but since you have multiple brands, the chances lay in that you can get a different manufacturer altogether when you try mixing two ram sets

the short end of the stick is that unless you buy them all at once there's always a chance you end up mixing kits and it can have terrible results

much slower performance, complete instability (to be as bad as never booting to windows and you're stuck with an orange post light, hint hint), complete corruption of windows, etc etc etc

so really, the best solution here is to return the new kit, get a 2x16 kit (I will link you a set) and then sell your old 2x8 kit

@timid stream https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mWGhP6/neo-forza-faye-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-nmud416e82-3601dg20

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CWCFf7/oloy-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-nd4u1632161dj0da

pick your poison

[timid stream]

that was the one i was planning to buy hehe

[dull flint]

2x16gb btw generally runs better than 4x8gb

there are exceptions to the rule but not in the case of b550

the neo forza would probably be the best for your ryzen cpu

because 3600mhz pushes up the fclk

and more fclk is definitely more fast

whereas these kits will all otherwise be mostly the same

only would recommend against the 3600 kit if you have, say, ryzen 2000 in the board

like a 2700x

but ryzen 3000/5000 will like 3600mhz

[timid stream]

yeah i got 5600x

[dull flint]

yeah then the 3600 kit would be ideal if you don't mind the aesthetics

the difference of 3600 to 3200 however is not worth more than a couple dollars

so no point paying extra for a different kit than these

[timid stream]

yeah i dont mind rgb and such stuffs

[dull flint]

yeah then there you go

I'd go with the 3600 kit then

they're all about the same price so works out

[timid stream]

ok thanks alot.. ill wishlist it now, but here comes antoher question, do i need to reset my bios after installing brand new rams?

[dull flint]

not really

what generally happens is you'll have the board reset itself when it detects the new ram, and you'll need to reload the xmp in bios (or in this case docp)

it's a good idea to hit cmos, but not totally necessary

the board should figure itself out (reset if it still has issues)

[timid stream]

thanks alot! for ur help and time

[dull flint]

np

[brisk fiber]

Would this be the right place to ask about RAM compatibility with my old motherboard?

[grizzled bloom]

Yep this is the perfect spot

[scenic solar]

which one is better? celeron n5095 or i5 7200u?
Some websites report the celeron is +25% faster, others say the opposite...

I'm looking for €300 laptops and I've found the i5 one refurbished, while the celeron one is new. Also found a refurbed laptop with a 6300u, but I'm likely removing it from the list as it seems the celeron preforms better

[grizzled bloom]

Single core, 7200U, multi core, Celeron. Reason being the 7200U is 2c/4t while the Celeron is 4c/4t.

[scenic solar]

7200u is a HP Elitebook 840 G4. N5095 I have 3 more options all 512gb storage and 16gb ram

[scenic solar]

what about 6300u? I also see some mixed up comparisons

[grizzled bloom]

Single core is a little below the 7200u, multi core is worst of the 3

[scenic solar]

Ok, I won't consider that one, you also never know what to expect from refurbed "good condition" items

[grizzled bloom]

All of this is contingent on the tdp setting on the CPU btw, I'm just going by averages

[scenic solar]

Ok, I decided. The Celeron one seems to be the best option, for 230, 58wh battery's gonna last quite a long time, which is fundamental since my friend told it will be used at school (abt 6h)

[rugged bane]

I've ordered a PC to build but some of the parts are not compatable, idk if i should replace just the motherboard but i cant find one that is compatible with RTX 4070 and the i7 10th gen i ordered

definitely need to change the motherboard as the RTX 4070 does not fit, but cant find one that would also fit the i7 10th (only 12th gen +)

[amber canopy]

What do you mean by the motherboard doesn't fit your 4070? That wouldn't be an issue. Do you mean your case?

@rugged bane

If you already have a 10th gen chip, you should be looking for LGA1200 socket motherboards. B460, b560, z490, z590 chipsets

If your cpu is unlocked and you wanna overclock and have adequate cooling, get a z series board

[burnt spear]

If you ordered a 10th gen i7 cancel the order

The $130 5600 is better

What was your budget for the build

Can easily do cheaper too
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ndvJpB

[amber canopy]

Oh yea if you just ordered it, do that instead

[burnt spear]

If you want intel this is solid
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GVbMMV

Or 13600kf with phantom spirit from thermalright for the cooler

12600kf slaps the 10th gen i7 around in everything

Then for cheaper, can go ddr4 with b660m pro rs

[grizzled bloom]

Not B460, no memory overclocking

That started on the B560

[rugged bane]

i tried to put it in but the slot is too small on the motherboard

[rugged bane]

yeah im returning it

[amber canopy]

Which slot did you try putting it on

[rugged bane]

both lol

both didnt fit

[dull flint]

That-

[amber canopy]

🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐

[dull flint]

That can't make sense not to be mean

Atx is designed that it must fit

[rugged bane]

na if im being stupid lmk

wait let me get the name of the motherboard

[dull flint]

Some cases have poor clearance from the pcie slots on the left hand side of the inside of the case

Takes a bit of love (tough) to make it fit

[amber canopy]

Sometimes it can be finicky if the gpu bracket is bent, it can push against the case, but as for the slots itself, it definitely fits in

[rugged bane]

case is msi mpg gungnir 110R

[dull flint]

I think I'm familiar with it

What motherboard

[rugged bane]

Asus prime B760-Plus D4

[dull flint]

Yes it would fit

Uh, your cpu won't tho

[rugged bane]

ok so only need to replace cpu?

okay

[dull flint]

Yes, your cpu physically won't work

[rugged bane]

ill get a 14th gen tmrw

[rugged bane]

yeah lol, i figured

[dull flint]

Get a 13th gen

14th gen is a meme

[rugged bane]

good thing i didnt try force it

[rugged bane]

lol cool

[dull flint]

14th gen is 13th gen +2%

[rugged bane]

i9 worth it then

over 13th gen i7?

[dull flint]

In a b760 prime? Wouldn't bother

[rugged bane]

i figured no point

[dull flint]

Pretty meh motherboard

[rugged bane]

😢

[dull flint]

I'd do like 13600K in it at most

[rugged bane]

so should i change the motherboard too?

i can return the parts

keeping the 4070

[dull flint]

How much of this have you done

[rugged bane]

i took it all apart after

[dull flint]

Can you make a pcpp list and I can suggest alternatives

[rugged bane]

sure

[dull flint]

The alternatives are by suggestion so don't feel like you just have to replace everything lmao

Also this is a gaming pc yes

[grizzled bloom]

Lies, you must now return everything and get AM5 with DDR5 /jk

[dull flint]

Potentially the actual answer I give here

I need food

[grizzled bloom]

fr though 7800X3D > 14900K if you're not going to overclock it

Often cheaper than 13600K considering cost of all parts

[rugged bane]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/RqQJpB

case not on pcpp

but thats everything

and its showing a compatibility error

[grizzled bloom]

The error is "you don't have a cooler"

[dull flint]

Yeah not sure what's happened here but there's a huge gamut of extra spending where you don't need to

Lemme make something up for your 1400£ budget

[rugged bane]

oh lol

[dull flint]

Pick from it what you think is ideal

[rugged bane]

already have these parts in front of me

apart from the cpu which ill get tommorrow from currys

[grizzled bloom]

SFX power supply? That won't fit in the MSI case

[rugged bane]

it fit

[dull flint]

It can

[grizzled bloom]

I mean it'll fit but not correctly

[dull flint]

But it's more of a "why" than a "fit"

[rugged bane]

yeah just had to lift it up a bit then screw it in

[dull flint]

Zak, gaming build yes?

[rugged bane]

so mandem, what we rating my pc building skills on a scale of 1-10? lol

[rugged bane]

na mainly for fl studio

[dull flint]

Fl studio, jog my memory what is that

[rugged bane]

but when gta 6 comes out in 2026 i wanna use this build

so yeah gaming sometimes

[rugged bane]

beat production

music

[dull flint]

Ah

Ok easy

Brb

[grizzled bloom]

Warning on using a 980 Pro, there's been three separate instances where the drive has killed itself and Samsung has not covered it under warranty

[rugged bane]

ayo

[grizzled bloom]

Make sure you have a firmware version that won't do that and you should be ok

[dull flint]

Do you need wifi 1 more question

[grizzled bloom]

I've seen an analyst that said the 980 Pro was "fundamentally flawed" but that's just one guy

[rugged bane]

na gonna be connected to ethernet 100% of the time

[dull flint]

Sweet

[rugged bane]

so whats the verdict

Definitely need to replace cpu, but do i need to change the PRIME B760-PLUS D4?

[dull flint]

@rugged bane
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GvCYRK

Motherboard, ram, cpu, cooler, all go hand in hand

[burnt spear]

Do you have a cooler?

[rugged bane]

na was just gonna use the one that comes with the cpu?

[dull flint]

It won't have one

[rugged bane]

problem is i already ordered all the parts in my pcpp list

[burnt spear]

Wait music production right?

[rugged bane]

and have them in front of me

ideally want to replace 1 or 2 parts tmrw

[dull flint]

Yes I know, like I said, the list is by suggestion, change what you can

[rugged bane]

yes but would also like the ability to play games

[burnt spear]

I would change most of it to be honest

[dull flint]

This list I just made would beat the pants out of what you got tho

[rugged bane]

i see

[dull flint]

The more you swap the better

The cpu would be a good 20-25% faster in games with the ddr5

The gpu a good 10-15% faster give or take if you count RT

For a bit more you could fit a bigger gpu upgrade

[rugged bane]

hmm

[dull flint]

Or a readjustment of cpu

And then you get even more fps

Making music you don't need anything insane

[rugged bane]

yeah i could use a chrome book if i had too

like to be overkill

🤣

[dull flint]

More is always better but you will benefit more weighing into the gaming side here

[burnt spear]

This is my list with keeping mobo psu and gpu https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hwZYRK

Psu is just really overpriced, can get a good 850 for that price

And not sfx, since the case isn't itx

Mobo can get a same price better quality ddr5 board, which helps 10+% on 13th gen, and music production if I remember right really likes fast ram

[dull flint]

This would max out the budget
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/PsCYRK

Gpu would be outright faster in all ways except for cyberpunk

Cpu faster in games and good enough for music

Step down from x3d tho

[grizzled bloom]

Keep in mind that using DDR4 will reduce your gaming performance by 10-15% on average compared to using DDR5, but then you have to exchange both the motherboard and the memory to claw that back so it's up to you if it's worth it

[rugged bane]

oh wow

[dull flint]

We can do your budget a lot better if you return a fair bit of this

So

[burnt spear]

Ideally like https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/zsCYRK

[dull flint]

Worth whatever you can swap really

I'm still iffy on the 4070

[burnt spear]

Yeah, just for the sake of not returning it, but if you would, I would change it too

[rugged bane]

whats wrong with the 4070 😭

[dull flint]

It's just not good for the price

[rugged bane]

i see

[dull flint]

7800xt better for less

[burnt spear]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/6zggrv

[dull flint]

You can get a used 3080 and have the exact same results for way less

[rugged bane]

hmmm

[burnt spear]

45 over budget, can do cheaper and keep 13600kf since multi core perf

[rugged bane]

the thing is i manged to get all these parts for under £1,500 since i got a VAT discount with my company

so im not paying prices u see

[dull flint]

Ah

[rugged bane]

but i can see where you're coming from

[burnt spear]

What would total price have to be for it to be worth it

[dull flint]

There's a lot of flex in this budget if you were able to change anything

[rugged bane]

total will come up to £1,600 if i return the i7 10th gen and get the 13th gen

[burnt spear]

Hm

[rugged bane]

without vat

with vat about 2,000

[burnt spear]

Well say you returned the psu

What would the rm650 cost with vat

[dull flint]

So you're already up the poop creek is what you're saying

Haha

I'd raise a beer for ya but it's middle of the day here and I'm soon back to work

Tell you what, if you can work out what you need the budget to be without VAT included to come in around 1500-ish after vat, we could work with that and see what we get

[rugged bane]

basically lol

[dull flint]

@rugged bane

[burnt spear]

Like https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/FxmsVW

Ideally

[dull flint]

Would avoid abn

Not for those specs

[burnt spear]

Isn't it c tier?

[dull flint]

Yes

[burnt spear]

Would be fine with a 220w gpu

[dull flint]

That's why I'm saying it

[burnt spear]

But fair

[dull flint]

Not for those specs

Worth going up to phanteks amp

[burnt spear]

Anything more than that though isn't worth returning current one likely so would probably be better off keeping current one

[dull flint]

Kekw

[rugged bane]

ok, let me change the cpu tmrw, and see how it runs, ik i can save money if i just return everything but atp just want to get it built

thanks for all the help guys

[burnt spear]

Yeah understandable, you're better off keeping most of it in your case anyways

[grizzled bloom]

Understandable. We just want to make sure you can make an informed decision.

[dull flint]

You still need a cooler

Just a heads up

[rugged bane]

yeah, if u dont mind, can u check currys.co.uk and let me know what cooler i should get?

going in the morning

[dull flint]

Can someone else I'm literally heading back rn lmao

Sorry

[rugged bane]

all good

[burnt spear]

I got you one sec

[rugged bane]

thank you

[burnt spear]

The pa120 se is good in the list I sent but idk if its on there

[grizzled bloom]

It's not

[rugged bane]

if i need to i can order off ebuyer

wait found the i7 on ebuyer for £100 cheaper

[burnt spear]

Not any good deals on that site

What's ebuyer?

[rugged bane]

can u check for a cooler on ebuyer?

[burnt spear]

Is it popular/trustworthy?

[rugged bane]

yes i've used them for the last 5 years

https://www.ebuyer.com/1541704-intel-core-i7-13700k-13th-generation-16-core-processor-bx8071513700k

plus no vat

instead of 399 from currys

[rugged bane]

but if u can find a site with a better price let me know

[burnt spear]

Wait

No

https://www.ebuyer.com/879265-be-quiet-dark-rock-pro-tr4-cpu-cooler-bk023

[grizzled bloom]

The threadripper model?

[burnt spear]

Can do kraken 280, since 13700k is pretty hot, but its not exactly good

Wait holup

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah TR4 only, no LGA1700

[burnt spear]

I didn't even know there was a tr version lmao

Sorry

[rugged bane]

hmm

never done water cooling before, usually just go with fan for cpu

[burnt spear]

This is the best option on ebuyer then https://www.ebuyer.com/1882197-cooler-master-hyper-622-halo-black-rr-d6bb-20pa-r1

Otherwise buy the pa120 se

[rugged bane]

just checking

https://www.ebuyer.com/1541743-intel-core-i7-13700kf-13th-generation-16-core-processor-bx8071513700kf

this is the correct one right?

[burnt spear]

Yeah, can also look at how much the 13600k, 14600k and 14700k are

[rugged bane]

thank you

you guys have literally been a god send

[grizzled bloom]

This would be the cheapest way to get that one, which is one of the best air coolers https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/386291947596

Otherwise amazon uk for 39 pounds

RGB model https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/355116706605

[rugged bane]

going with this one bc rgb = more frames

[burnt spear]

It is worse, and the 13700k is hot

It would possibly throttle under multi core loads, but you can undervolt it

I would either way

[rugged bane]

ok

thanks

[timid stream]

btw before i sent it back (RAMs) is it okay to use 3 stick? or let it work as on dual so ill have 24gb for awhile 😄

[dull flint]

Only use 2 but use the old two in which the stickers on the back are identical

[dull flint]

So on the sticker here they have a code under "Warranty void if removed" make sure that matches with the two sticks you intend to use

Which should be the old two, if you hopefully remember lol

Looking at the pic it's probably these two @timid stream

Going off of Serial numbers those look like the old two

[cyan raft]

Yeah those are the old two based off the ICs

Those two being Samsung 8Gbit C-die

The other two being Hynix CJR

[ocean cradle]

are there any AMD Mini ITX motherboards that support an AMD Ryzen 5 2400G?

[vast meadow]

Any b450 or x470 would be fine with it, even b350 or x370 but they're not really sold anymore

There's a good few itx options

[elder sinew]

is g.skill trident z5 overkill for a $1000 build?

im tryna get 32 gigs

[dull flint]

It's less the fact it's Z5 more the fact it's a decent price for 32gb

Also the answer is usually no for Z5

[burnt spear]

For like $50-65 possibly

[dull flint]

Eh

Z5 is ddr5

[burnt spear]

Oh mb

[dull flint]

Lol all good

[burnt spear]

Then like $75-105 depending on speed/timings

[elder sinew]

i also found a kit from teamgroup thats like 30-40 bucks cheaper

[burnt spear]

6000c30 non rgb is $95, rgb is $105

Both from teamgroup

[burnt spear]

Mind linking the list you're looking at so far?

[dull flint]

[elder sinew]

mind if i dm?

[burnt spear]

Sure

Can I post them here?

[elder sinew]

yeah thats fine

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZgGsVW

[burnt spear]

Are you just gaming?

[elder sinew]

mainly but im thinking of streaming too

[burnt spear]

Kk, are you set on an nvidia gpu?

Or open to amd

[elder sinew]

uh i prefer nvidia

[burnt spear]

Do you care about aesthetics, do you need wifi or are you using ethernet, and do you have a monitor yet

[elder sinew]

dont care much about aesthetics, wifi, and i have a monitor

[burnt spear]

This is the first option, ofc amd gpu but I'm going to give an nvidia/intel option in a sec https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NCNXVW

[burnt spear]

What resolution/refresh rate is your monitor?

6700xt is about 20-25% better than the 4060, it's a pretty major difference

[elder sinew]

144hz

oh i see

[dull flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Pb7cgB

Windows you don't need to pay for

There are ways

(I am not allowed to speak)

[elder sinew]

yes ik about that 😂

[burnt spear]

This one also doesn't have a wifi card, you'd need a separate adapter for $20 or so https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TWNXVW

7800xt would be a better option

[burnt spear]

Do you know the resolution?

Like 1080p/1440p

[elder sinew]

it supports 1440p

[burnt spear]

Nice

[dull flint]

12600k needs dual tower

[burnt spear]

For gaming/budget it's alright on a 214xt, but its definitely worth the extra $10-15 for a dual tower

[elder sinew]

also about the 12600kf i know its quite a bit cheaper but realistically will i ever need the integrated graphics from the 12600k?

because i know some say its a good backup when gpu is not working or whatever

[burnt spear]

Oh one more option https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xm63N6

Only way igpu is useful is if your gpu fails

It's worth like $10 or so, not $40

[dull flint]

Boop
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QWNXVW

Itx still possible

For the record btw, 6800xt winning by a mile

[burnt spear]

6800xt nice at that price, though I forget how is it with streaming?

[dull flint]

It's ok with obs if you enable b frames

[burnt spear]

At that price not like anything could beat it

[dull flint]

If you must go with nvidia I'd suggest a used 3080 12gb at this price bracket or used 3080Ti

[burnt spear]

Oh, if you are open to ordering parts sold by newegg off of tiktok shop, you can get some better deals

You get coupons, so you could get 12600kf for like $135 or smthn like that

[elder sinew]

alright i'll take a look

thank you

[burnt spear]

Looks like deals on tiktok are kinda drying up rn actually

I'm looking around, I'll lyk if anything looks good

[elder sinew]

where would you recommend for used parts?

[burnt spear]

Ebay, fbm, r/hardwareswap

[dull flint]

For each list

Match your used nvidia budget to the price of the gpu used in the list

For 450-ish for example, that should definitely be 3080 12gb or 3080ti territory

[burnt spear]

B550 pro se, b760m pg sonic wifi, and b660m pro rs are good value with tiktok

And cxm 650

[dull flint]

Cxm needs to be really cheap imo

Cxm more like cx mehhh

[burnt spear]

It looks like they're all the same prices as newegg, but you can use the coupons to get them lower

[burnt spear]

Lmao

[dull flint]

See X? Mehhh

[burnt spear]

G300a 1 fan on tiktok, and then c12c 3 pack on amazon

That's everything that sticks out rn, aside from that tiktok kinda sucks right now

This is alright

[sudden creek]

The CPU and DRAM light is showing on my X670-P. What should I do?

[vast meadow]

First try reseating your ram

[sudden creek]

That had resolved the issue. However when I am in windows every 3m or so the PC restarts itself and shows dram light?

[vast meadow]

Uh what speed is your ram? Is it in slots 2 and 4 from left to right?

[sudden creek]

Slots 2 and 4. 6000c32

@vast meadow

[vast meadow]

Should be fine, reset cmos

[sudden creek]

Gonna do a bios flash as well. Apparently my bios is from early 2022.

[sudden creek]

Could I've been experiencing ram training?

Just began bios flash. Plugged in USB formatted with MSI.ROM bios file and used the bios flash button. How do I tell when it's done?

[vast meadow]

No that happens during boot up

[sudden creek]

Ahh okay.

[vast meadow]

Should be a few mins, might be some LEDs that stop blinking or something

[sudden creek]

There was a red led that flashed behind io covers. Not seeing it flash anymore.

It's only been like 60s though?

[vast meadow]

Shouldn't take more than like 3 mins or so

[sudden creek]

This is bugging me.... Bios is still not flashed.

I must say having a debug led is so helpful.

[sudden creek]

43c idle temp on the 7950x3D good?

Just noticing it while I painstaking wait to enter bios flash mode.

[sudden creek]

updated my bios finally.

[grizzled bloom]

Bios isn't idle

It locks it to the highest frequency and full power

Instead of the power saving feature like reducing clocks and parking cores

[shy cave]

Finally updated my bios and that fixed my auto reboot problem.

[sudden creek]

Oh, so it's full load then?

If so isn't that really good?

[grizzled bloom]

It's not fully loaded, it's just not idle

[sudden creek]

Ahh I see.

[sudden creek]

How can I tell which CCD is being used when I play a certain game?

[grizzled bloom]

Keep hwinfo open on another monitor if you have one and you can see which cores are being used. If you suspect it's using the wrong ones, I suggest process lasso.

[dull flint]

@sudden creek have you experience like, heavy stuttering when you load certain applications or nah

I don't really have anyone else to ask about the 7950x3d so curious

I think mine might be dead hence my issues

[sudden creek]

I have not tested it in productivity apps like adobe or blender yet however as far as games go my experiences have been off the charts. No stutters loading apps but I get some small ones on occasion from Fortnite however that's been existent since my 5700G so it's probably a game bug. As far as other games go like Ark, Halo, the finals, and such I have not had any stutters at all and my fps has more then doubled compared to my experience on the 5700G.

[dull flint]

interesting

ok

[sudden creek]

Anyone clear way to tell which CCD is the x3D?

[dull flint]

well rn I believe my mottherboard or cpu is half dead

one slot won't work for ram

and I only have 2 so

I open up any apps and I get horrendous stuttering

[sudden creek]

Yeah I don't have those issues. My experience has been pretty flawless.

Only flaw is my damned ram training time lmao.

Takes about 30s on average to boot into Windows.

[dull flint]

mine takes way longer

good 2-3 minutes

so yeah, something def is up

I get C5 post code if I try the dead slot

[sudden creek]

Strange.

Maybe RMA the CPU?

Is the ram training time related to the ram capacity or something else?

[dull flint]

I'm rma'ing both board and cpu

same company so I'll do them both and explain my issues

[sudden creek]

I see. If they figure out the issue mind letting me know?

Also I can confirm X3D is awesome. Works fantastic in Ark where I often render hundreds of creatures at a time regularly.

[dull flint]

can you do a test for me

can you tell me if you open occt if you get any stuttering or lagging from the pc at all

just opening the app

[dull flint]

I will btw

[sudden creek]

When I am out of bed and at my PC tomorrow sure.

[dull flint]

cheers

I can't rma this until I think the day after tomorrow so

[sudden creek]

I see.

What does RMA even stand for exactly?

[dull flint]

return merchandise authorisation or something like that

[sudden creek]

Gotcha, seems I figured the first two parts out correctly. Had no idea what the A stood for.

What Cha think of the build, @dull flint?

#build-pics message

[dull flint]

getting there lol

I'm not big on rgb so I'm not really the best ask

I'd use thermalright b14's

[sudden creek]

The cables good? The ARGB wires were a nightmare lmao.

[dull flint]

zip tie the cpu cables together

and run the pcie ones (if they reach) to the next grommet down

would look a lot cleaner

the argb controller, if it fits sneak it into the back of the case

that's what I'd do

less is more

[sudden creek]

My issue was that the way the torreng is setup running the hub in the back would've had more cables unfortunately.

Might look into other ways though when I install my ARGB strips.

[sudden creek]

You don't wanna know how many zip ties I used lmao.

[dull flint]

enough is never enough

🤓

[vast meadow]

I prefer, replacement manufacturer Aaaaaaaaahhhhh

[sudden creek]

@dull flint, just opened OCCT and there was no stutter.

[dull flint]

Gdi

Ok something must've been wrong with this one since the day I got it

[lofty burrow]

Hey, just switched to 2.5Gbps internet speed but I figured out that my motherboard doesn't even support 2.5Gbps... is there anything I can do other than buying a new motherboard (plus cpu since the socket doesn't support new ones)

[cursive epoch]

a pcie ethernet card

[lofty burrow]

Unfortunately, these are rarely found in my country

But I can get it I guess

[cursive epoch]

network card/nic are other names

[lofty burrow]

I guess thst Usb c to ethernet would be very bad right?

In terms of stability...

[cursive epoch]

the usb standard on your pc has to support that much bandwidth

so it depends

but stability is fine

[lofty burrow]

So if the motherboard doesn't support it, it won't really work right?

[cursive epoch]

yeah

[lofty burrow]

Unless I insert a Pcie card

[cursive epoch]

pcie card is the easiest solution

[lofty burrow]

Okay thank you so much!

That's what I found

PCIe 2.5Gbps Ethernet Network Adapter - PCI Express x1 slot - 1x RJ45 port

[cursive epoch]

should work

if you wanna have easy time finding drivers there's tp-link

[lofty burrow]

Shouldn't it automatically work since it's gigabyte and I already have a gigabyte motherboard...

I hope I have an empty pcie slot since I already have the elgato 4k60 mk2 pcie...

[cursive epoch]

nope

you need drivers

but since it's gigabyte you can easily download drivers then

[lofty burrow]

@cursive epoch By the way forgot to mention, but my brother needs that 2.5Gbps too but there is only one lan port that supports 2.5Gbps... is there anything I can do that both me and my brother will have 2.5Gbps?

Like I can buy a router but that means I'll still have to somehow connect a lan cable to his room...

Since the lan port near his wall doesn't support 2.5Gbps... so the only way is to connect it directly to the router...

[candid isle]

Is the Ryzen 7 5700x a good pair for the RTX 4060ti 16gb?

[dull flint]

Not to disappoint lad but I'd never ever recommend a 4060ti

3060Ti is near the same performance for way less

Or for a similar price, 6800xt stomps the hell out of it

[candid isle]

I already ordered it. I only want to know if that CPU would be a good pairing.

[dull flint]

Are you building a new pc?

[candid isle]

No, I'm upgrading from a 1660Ti

And Ryzen 5 3600

[dull flint]

What psu is in the pc

[candid isle]

600w

[dull flint]

Do you have a specific name (yes this matters as much as which CPU works with it if not more)

Some psus are literal explosives if left unattended

[burnt spear]

5600 would be a better choice for gaming, and agree with everything felix said

4060 ti is just plain ass value

[dull flint]

I would seriously recommend cancelling the 4060 ti and getting a used 3080+new psu/3060 ti straight up

Much faster

[burnt spear]

The first psu I think of when I see 600w without a name is Thermaltake smart

[dull flint]

Yes

Which is why this needs checking

[burnt spear]

I'd say 80% of the time an unnamed 500, 600, or 700w psu it's Thermaltake smart

[candid isle]

Idk, I bought it pre-built. All I know is that it is 600w and the PC is from iBUYPOWER. This would be like the third upgrade I will make for it. Hasn't given me any issues thus far and I always check the MOBO web page for compatibility. The manufacturer uses different PSU brands.

[burnt spear]

You'd have to open the case to check the model, I would before making any gpu upgrades

[dull flint]

Typically ibuypower put really unfortunate psus in their pcs lmao

[burnt spear]

Bad psu can kill a pc, and even if it didn't cause issues with a 1660 ti a 4060 ti is a different story

[dull flint]

So I'd suggest a psu change potentially

It's one way or another REALLY worth checking

You don't want to turn on the pc one day and the card is fried

[burnt spear]

It could also be alright, but it takes 5 min to check

So no reason not to

[candid isle]

The 4060 is very power efficient. I got one that says is just 115w. Either way, according to reviews it rarely goes above 140w while gaming. I say my 1660ti is probably drawing more power than that. And the 5700x is just 65w like the 3600. Power efficiency is one of the reasons why I chose the 4060 and will buy a 65w CPU.

I did have the PSU in mind, but I didn't know brand mattered that much.

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-gv-n406twf2oc-16gd/p/N82E16814932659?Item=N82E16814932659&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-14-932-659-_-12252023

[burnt spear]

Brand isn't the important thing, it's the model that matters

Evga has some of the best psus, and some that catch fire

[candid isle]

Based on value?

[burnt spear]

5700x is maybe 3% better in games

If that

And for $435 you can get close to 3080 perf

But if you can't or won't cancel the order thats fine

[dull flint]

Some specific models from brands all over can be considered complete fire hazards

And ibuypower has a history of putting some pretty meh units in their pc's

To put in perspective of what we're stressing performance-wise here

Compared to everything else on the market

Give weight for dlss 3, and 16gb

A 4060ti 16gb would have to be....

Probably at most?

$360

And none of them sell for that much

6700xt for example is cheaper by about 30% and in the same ball park

[candid isle]

Alright

Thanks for the advice

[dull flint]

I still would check the psu

[manic condor]

Hello, I was wondering if someone can help me pick out a motherboard. I have an Asus Z97 AR. It was giving me an error in regards to the ACPI.sys. I would appreciate any input, thanks!

[grizzled bloom]

Any comparable replacement motherboard is probably going to cost as much if not more than a significant upgrade to your system, like a 12100 and a B660 motherboard with DDR4.

ACPI.sys might indicate a problem with the bios but it's more likely a problem with the OS.

Then again this is not bad, just a new seller. https://www.ebay.com/itm/256307908688

[manic condor]

Thank you very much! I paid someone to build my machine so i only have so much knowledge lol

[grizzled bloom]

Keep in mind that Z97 is 10 years old now

I hope you didn't pay too much for it

[manic condor]

Yes, it probably is rather outdated 😅 So I'm assuming that my corsair 1600 8 gig memory is quite old and irrelevant as well

[grizzled bloom]

Indeed. 1600 was good enough for DDR3 but we're up to DDR5 at 4800 being the minimum, with 5600 being the lowest recommended.

Windows 11 definitely will not run on that computer as well, and 10 is losing support soon so you'll start missing out on critical security updates.

[manic condor]

Oh goodness. Maybe i should just get a laptop that can run games and use illustrator and photoshop

Gotcha. I really appreciate your time

[grizzled bloom]

We're happy to help with whatever route you end up choosing

[manic condor]

Many thanks! Do you happen to have any suggestions about which laptop would be a good gaming machine/ desktop replacement?

[small forge]

Hi guys, Ive ordered all the parts of my PC, but I realized my motherboard doesn't have wifi, but it does have an m.2 wifi slot. How would I go about attaching the antennas, because the io shield doesn't have holes for it. I'd like to go for an Intel wifi kit

https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813162107

[limber dragon]

usb wifi or pcie would be your best bet due to there also not being an anetnna when you go the m.2 route

[small forge]

Do you happen to have any suggestions for PCIe wifi?

[burnt spear]

The cheapest wifi 6 or wifi 6e option

Should be like $25-30

[small forge]

Thanks

[glass plover]

I currently have a 3700x I have to buy a new mobo and get ddr5 ram to upgrade to R7 7800x3d right?

[sudden creek]

Correct.

[glass plover]

Big sad, Thank you!

[sudden creek]

When buying ram I'd advise not buying speeds above 6400mhz since the CPU is unlikely to be able to run it.

6000 is pretty much guarenteed to work though.

[glacial bear]

Hello all and Happy Holidays! My son and I are building new PCs and have come across a problem. When we power on the system, the yellow Q-Led remains yellow and there is no display (monitor says no signal). All components are new. The first RAM I installed (G-Skill) was not on compatability list so I purchased another pair (Corsair) that is on the list but the problem continues.

Both builds are the same except for the video card (which is not installed right now).
ASUS TUF Gaming Z790-Plus WiFi
Intel Core i9-12900KS
CORSAIR VENGEANCE DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MHz CL36 Intel XMP iCUE Compatible Computer Memory - Black (CMK32GX5M2D6000C36) (RAM is supposedly compatible)
ASRock Challenger D Radeon RX 6650 XT 8GB GDDR6 PCI Express 4.0 Video Card RX6650XT
CORSAIR RM850e Fully Modular Low-Noise ATX Power Supply

[grizzled bloom]

There should be a stack of 4 lights, which one exactly is lit?
Do you have the video cable connected to the GPU, not the motherboard?

[glacial bear]

The DRAM (yellow) is lit

1 PC has GPU installed and yes cable is connected, other unit has no GPU installed so cable is connected to mobo

[grizzled bloom]

You need a bios update probably

[glacial bear]

😦

Here is what I've tried so far:
Replaced RAM,
RAM in recommened A2/B2 initially, then every other combo you can think of (single module)
CMOS reset (using jumper)

should I try reseating the CPU - I didn't want to do that considering both PC's are having the issue

[glacial bear]

Can I update the BIOS without it getting through POST and no monitor?

[grizzled bloom]

A lot of the time the dram light isn't actually caused by the memory, but the memory controller which is on the CPU. Unfortunately your board isn't able to be updated without going to bios first, since you don't have flashback. (Asus calls it q flash plus)

[sudden creek]

Wasn't 12900K kinda infamous for not handling DDR5 very well?