cpus-mobo-and-memory

[lyric turret]

yea i have it on this already

idk i give up gonna pay powerfpu 150 for pc optimzation to see if they can fix it

[frosty depot]

That's gonna be a waste of money.

[lyric turret]

Nothing to do at this point Iv did every single troubleshooting in existence

[frosty depot]

You have the AMD GPU that's giving issues right?

[lyric turret]

It isn’t the gpu*******

I had it RMAed

The only solution I had was reinstalling a fresh windows which fixed my problems for like a few days and then it comes back

[frosty depot]

Yeah, like I had said before, I had same issues with AMD and RMAed and had the same issues. Switching to Nvidia made all those issues go away. I'd just save that 150 and put towards a different GPU instead of wasting that money to only have to get a different GPU anyways. All this troubleshooting you've done with the help of everyone here is basically the same stuff they are going to do to optimize your PC. Newegg is the best place to get issues handled. If we as a collective can't get it working, I doubt paying some service is going to help either.

[lyric turret]

yea i tried with newegg they said they cant do anything

told me to rma the gpu and get a new one lol

[frosty depot]

I know. Have you tried contacting NeweggService again after the RMA?

[hard leaf]

i thought in this as well

[lyric turret]

yea

i have enough money to buy a nvidia gpu but idk what to do with my 6900xt iv had it posted for sale since iv gotten it lmao

[frosty depot]

I honestly think you should just get an Nvidia GPU and watch all your problems go away.

[lyric turret]

but tbh i dont think its my gpu

[lyric turret]

yea im thinking about it

what gpu is good in the same performance range

[frosty depot]

What is your price range?

[lyric turret]

well i got this gpu for 700$ new lol

[frosty depot]

What GPU?

[lyric turret]

my 6900xt

i bought for 700$

nvidia gpus are over 1200$ rn no chance i get one lol

[lyric turret]

this is why i dont think its my gpu

[hard leaf]

still remember that time vanya xD

2 saphire... issues.... swapped to 3080, issues went away

[frosty depot]

Yeah. Two 6950xt gave me the same issues he's saying he has.. swap to 3080 12gb and bam. ALL issues are gone.

[hard leaf]

its kinda sad honestly

[lyric turret]

Is 3080 good though for 1440 p...

[hard leaf]

things like this make recommending amd gpus a bit hard at times

[frosty depot]

Quite sad. I love the look of the sapphire nitro+ pure

[lyric turret]

i want somehing in the same perforamnce range

[frosty depot]

All I game is 1440p.

Max settings every game.

[lyric turret]

Cool wanna shoot me a good 3080 to get

[frosty depot]

3080 12gb though. Not the 10gb version.

[lyric turret]

ill order that rn

my gpu is 16gb lol

ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 3080 Trinity OC LHR 12GB GDDR6X 384-bit 19 Gbps PCIE 4.0 Graphics Card, IceStorm 2.0 Advanced Cooling, Spectra 2.0 RGB Lighting, ZT-A30820J-10PLHR
Visit the ZOTAC Store

[frosty depot]

Overkill.

[lyric turret]

this good

[hard leaf]

irrelevant at 1440p

[frosty depot]

Yep

[lyric turret]

v

https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-Graphics-IceStorm-Advanced-ZT-A30820J-10PLHR/dp/B09PZM76MG/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3QO44H6YKHOVJ&keywords=3080+12gb&qid=1676766196&sprefix=3080+12gb%2Caps%2C67&sr=8-3

978$ after tax

holy

[hard leaf]

yeah nvidia is like paying premium

[frosty depot]

It's a bit more yeah, but RT is pretty awesome to have. I originally didn't want it because meh, but after having it, I'm glad I have it lol.

[lyric turret]

wait

i have to make sure its compataible with my parts

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bkq9Q6

my ram is 3600mhzdoie

Do u think it could be my mobo causing the problems

[frosty depot]

Nope

[frosty depot]

You'll do just fine. Looks basically like my system

[lyric turret]

Cool welp gonna have to sell my gpu first

to buy it

[lyric turret]

Is the 3080 same performance as the 6900xt?

[lyric turret]

wait 1 problem

my monior is amd freesync lol

[grizzled bloom]

No that's not a problem

Modern gsync is just tested/validated freesync

[lyric turret]

oo okay

Should i try turning off amd premium

to see if that helps

[grizzled bloom]

If you want

[lyric turret]

tThis

[grizzled bloom]

You can disable it on the monitor

[lyric turret]

ik but this is apexs option

[grizzled bloom]

You said there was issues in almost everything though

So a global setting would be the way to go

[lyric turret]

True

[lyric turret]

have this on already

[lyric turret]

The only thing I can think of is maybe my ram again

I don’t got the time for testmem5

But I mean I can have it run all night tonight

[naive pendant]

When I made the choice of Ryzen 5600 with no iGPU I completely forgot about TrueAudio

and I'm going for Nvidia GPU

[cursive epoch]

that doesn't make any difference

[naive pendant]

trueaudio has little impact on offloading the cpu?

[cursive epoch]

not big enough for you to benefit losing cpu perf

5600g is 3600 perf

[eternal helm]

It's better than that easily but yeah not as good as a 5600

[dull flint]

5600 is a real goat

[worn prawn]

What’s the best mother board, latest gen, full size, with future proofing in mind if possible. Intel or AMD. I’m going for a min/max build. Just want to get some opinions on here before I hyper focus and go full flow mode for weeks

If I don’t respond for a bit kinda busy at this moment

[dull flint]

What's your budget and what's your use

Total budget for your pc

Not just the mobo/cpu

[naive pendant]

there is a difference of 20 ~ 30$ in Ryzen 5600 comparing local stores to ali express. But almost all sellers in Ali express sell without box and without cooler

some even state "random chioce" in case there are multiple models

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/S9069910ee0634d4a817345d0443a9a59n.png

22$ cheaper than a local store

full box, not standalone

[dull flint]

You're also waiting like 6 weeks

And a bit of a pot luck with places like aliexpress

I'd chalk up AE to be more akin to something like Lazada

[cursive epoch]

^

[naive pendant]

doesn't seem a good choice after all. 22$ less is not a big deal, maybe if I could find -50$ but this is not possible unless second hand

[hard leaf]

this, you save 20 bucks but waste 6 weeks.... time is invaluable to me at least

and thats not counting if you end with a damaged product

i prefer to pay a lil extra to get my things within 1 or max 2 weeks

and in the case of a damaged item, the wait for a replacement will be shorter as well

[naive pendant]

RTX 3060 12 GB Soyo costs ~330$ in Aliexpress. Now I looked in newegg's site and 330$ is all refurbished, brand new starts at 369$

[dull flint]

What's your total budget for your pc @naive pendant

Sounds like we might be able to help

[naive pendant]

1280$

[dull flint]

Usd? You're in usa?

Is that monitor and mouse keeb as well or just for the pc

Gaming? Or something else

Need wifi?

[naive pendant]

no, I did a currency conversion

the local market is unfair. The difference between RTX 3060 Ti and 12GB is ~95$

[dull flint]

Ah ok

What country?

I might still be able to help

[naive pendant]

Brazil. I already bought the MSI 550M Pro VDH

[dull flint]

Ah ok yeah brazil

You can build a pc or buy a new car there

I'm not too familiar with the local pricing tho yeah, my bad

If it helps tho in more difficult places, laptops tend to be better value

You might find a 3060 laptop for a good price and they're basically the same performance as a 3060 desktop

(depends on the 3060 in the laptop but some can go even faster than the desktop)

Good examples are asus tuf dash f15, msi gf65, acer nitro 5

[sour shard]

There is a 3060 dell laptop for like $970 for presidents day

[naive pendant]

I already decided on the case, monitor (LG ultrawide 26 inch), RAM, SSD and Ryzen 5600

[dull flint]

Hmm ok

You got a mobo that works with the cpu too which is good

You can use the stock cooler

[naive pendant]

the difference in price between Ryzen 5700x and RTX 3060 Aliexpress vs local is so absurd.

[sour shard]

Isn't Aliexpress full of bootleg video cards?

[dull flint]

Gpu wise you're probably in the same price bracket between 3060 and 6600/xt so you're probably not being brand faithful

And yeah again, aliexpress might be a little risky

Definitely check your sources on that site

[naive pendant]

yes, Jieshuo is selling laptop GPUs with lower TDPs for desktops and there is a lot of refurbished stuff

[sour shard]

There are a bunch of youtube videos of "I ordered this PC part from Aliexpress"

[cursive epoch]

not really if you know how to look around

aliexpress has all sorts of stuff

but requires knowledge and research

[grizzled bloom]

Those clickbait videos are looking for the obvious scams anyway

Like the 4TB micro SD cards for $5

[vast meadow]

Why not drive a new pc and build a new car

[dull flint]

[vast meadow]

:)

[delicate iris]

Was wondering, I just got a new GPU yesterday and was noticing in my games that my CPU usage went way down is that normal or did I configure something wrong?

[vast meadow]

you probably changed graphics settings

[delicate iris]

I guess it doesn't matter though if the GPU is at 100% and the CPU is at 5%, its just the GPU doing most of the work

[tropic vapor]

which is better ddr5-6000 hz at 30-40-40-96, or same type bu cl of 32-38-38-96

[dull flint]

#building-and-recc-chat

[lyric turret]

Chrome never used this much memory lol

Cpu and memory hit 20% that’s pretty bad isnt it?

[cursive epoch]

uh nope

it's fine

[lyric turret]

Fr? Iv never had chrome use 20% usage of the cpu and memory

Even on my cpu?

I7-12700kf

[dull flint]

I've had chrome use more than 20%

And a buttload of memory

Pretty normal these days

[lyric turret]

Oh okay jw bc that’s the only thing I have running and opened is 1 browser lol

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/tt_0120-thuantran-gif-18989288

You'd be amazed how common it is. There's a large number of memes about it lol.

[midnight pollen]

I wouldn’t worry too much about it unless it starts negatively affecting the system. You don’t pay to not use your hardware, the software is going to use what resources are available to it to improve performance and responsiveness

[lyric turret]

Question

[lyric turret]

Oh alright jw

[lyric turret]

Every browser Iv tried makes me feeeze whenever I full screen roblox lol or any YouTube videos/videos in general but it doesn’t freeze when I play actual games like on steam etc

[midnight pollen]

I would play around with browser settings. Sometimes things like hardware acceleration in browsers and browser apps like discord can affect games like thag

[hard leaf]

whats the point of having more hardware if you want to limit them anyway

just close chrome when you play games 😛

[hard leaf]

btw thats not chrome... its firefox

but same principle

[cedar kindle]

So a friend has a Ryzen 5 1600 and wants to know what a healthy upgrade would be. He just games. He's looking to upgrade his GPU to a mid-tier of the latest generation (30 or 40 series) later this year, so something that can handle that without breaking the bank

It doesn't have to be an AM4, I was gonna recommend something like the 13600K or KF. Ryzen side is a 7600x worth it? I know RAM and motherboard prices were on the pricey side last time I checked

[burnt spear]

What's the motherboard

If it's good enough, 5600, 5700x, or 5800x3d

If it isn't, 13400f/12400f/12600k/13600k

[cedar kindle]

https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/A320M-DGS/index.asp this is his motherboard

it looks like it only supports a 65W CPU so definitely needs an upgrade

maybe, I don't know

I'm stupid, all the CPU's from that generation are 65W

[grizzled bloom]

That A320 board doesn't even support 5000 series according to the CPU list so the best you could probably do is a 3700X

[grizzled bloom]

No there's definitely 105W ones

[cedar kindle]

ok, so it is as bad as I thought it was

[grizzled bloom]

3700X is still a massive improvement over the 1600

You'd need to flash the bios in a certain order and swap CPUs to get it up to date to the latest version

[cedar kindle]

sure, but if they're looking to upgrade their GPU would it be worth it to upgrade MOBO now as well?

[grizzled bloom]

If you were going to do that then you might as well upgrade to a 13400 on a B760

That way you could still keep the DDR4 memory

[burnt spear]

^

[sudden creek]

Would the 3D V-Cavhe on the upcoming Ryzen CPUs possibly help with performance for gaming servers?

Just curious.

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/8ball-bart-simpson-shaking-shake-magic-ball-gif-17725278

If it does then great. If it doesn't, then half the cores don't use it anyway.

[sudden creek]

Wait, only half the cores use the 3D V-Cache?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

On the incoming 7900X3D and 7950X3D at least

[sudden creek]

Do you perhaps know why?

[grizzled bloom]

The 7800X3D has all the cores using it

Vcache cores clock lower and it's been shown that hurts in some tasks and games

Solution? Make those things run on regular cores, things that like cache can use vcache

[sudden creek]

So you sacrifice clock speeds for quicker/more cache?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

You can overclock this time around though, unlike 5800X3D

[sudden creek]

The current 13900k vs the 7950x do you know which is better for workstation use? I've gotten out of touch with tech lately.

[grizzled bloom]

They trade blows, it depends on the program in question

[sudden creek]

Blender, World Painter, and rendering.

[vast meadow]

cache is expensive, games dont really use more than 8 cores

[grizzled bloom]

7950X wins in Blender

[sudden creek]

I see. Are the margins big or small?

[grizzled bloom]

It's not insignificant

If you do that a lot the time saving would be worth it

[sudden creek]

Is that overclocked?

[grizzled bloom]

Keeping in mind also we expect workstation tasks like Blender to prefer clock speeds over cache

Nope stock all around

[sudden creek]

How come 2 of them on that list?

NVM.

Misread.

The other is 7900x.

[sudden creek]

So the x3D would slow down the workstation tasks a bit but increase gaming performance?

Mhmm, if that's the case I may need to wait and watch a few reviews on the performance in games to see if the lose would be worth it.

[grizzled bloom]

Yep that's the smart play

Another thing worth noting...

13900k is kinda like the 4090. Shove as much power into it as possible to make it competitive.

[sudden creek]

I see.

The LT720 has support for AM5 correct?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

Listed as explicitly supported on Deepcool website

[sudden creek]

Yeah I think I am gonna go AMD this time around, just gonna wait for the x3D to release the decide which is better for me.

By the way, how's your day going?

[hard leaf]

there is no reason to go for 3d v-cache on a game server, not like you are going to play on it

7800x3d should be the top cpu to use it, on the 7900 and up is largely wasted. you kill clocks for cache, basically negating the utility of having a lot of cores

[dull flint]

7900 tbh will be lowkey amazing once the sales start

it even comes with a cooler

Like legit love that

[grizzled bloom]

Again, only half the cores will be vcache on 7900X3D and 7950X3D. Which leaves the other half at the higher clock speeds. So if you really wanted to you could run your game server off 8 classic cores and run your game off the 8 vcache cores.

All core workloads like Blender will suffer a penalty. How much remains to be seen.

[cursive epoch]

bruh

that's kinda bs to me

only having half the cores equipped with 3d

cost cutting i guess

[dull flint]

https://twitter.com/9550pro/status/1627974532282875904

HXL (@9550pro)

ASUS X670 New Beta BIOS 0921 (AFESA 1005C)

Adds for x3d

dynamic ccd priority switch with core flex, os / driver agnostic so win10 win11 ok

https://t.co/H4btWNtlfD

Twitter · Feb 21, 2023, 10:12 AM

INTERESTING

that might just seal it for X3D if it works well

[hard leaf]

more like cost cutting, is just a waste cause no game will ever use more than 8 cores anyway

[grizzled bloom]

That's one reason yes, the other is that we do see the 5800X3D suffering in certain games that prefer raw clocks. Those can just get yeeted to the other cores and you get the best of both worlds.

[cursive epoch]

true

[hard leaf]

no need to sacrifice clocks on all cores for that

[cursive epoch]

but i see it as cost cutting more than technical reasons

[hard leaf]

just on the ones expected for games

[dull flint]

I suspect it's a heat thing more than cost cutting

[cursive epoch]

that does make sense

[dull flint]

zen 4 hot enough as it is, 3d vcache would have made it worse with 2 ccd's of it

[hard leaf]

i presume they solved the heat issue by now, after all they can be oced now

[dull flint]

no

[cursive epoch]

nope

[hard leaf]

dang

[dull flint]

they have a thick ass IHS

ruining that sentiment

lol

[hard leaf]

im expecting the x3d series to be a flop

[dull flint]

I'm really not

[hard leaf]

not much better than the 5800x3d

[cursive epoch]

just to fit am4 coolers

[grizzled bloom]

I'm still not convinced the 3D cores will be that much hotter because the major reason Zen4 is so hot to begin with is the thicc IHS. Thin that out to make room for the cache and the die is a lot closer to the cooling.

[dull flint]

I bet direct die would be hard

[hard leaf]

word

[cursive epoch]

imma wait for benches

esp on perf differential between normal and v-cache cores

[grizzled bloom]

Yep benches will show more but it's still fun to speculate

[cursive epoch]

that's certainly true

[hard leaf]

looking forward to steve review

gotta love that pair

[dull flint]

I'm expecting X3D to win now

[grizzled bloom]

You already know he's going to blast it for being clunky or w/e

[dull flint]

esp. after reading that CCD bios info

[cursive epoch]

it would, but how much?

i wonder that

[dull flint]

ryzen's biggest drawback is CCD latency for the 2 ccd config

[grizzled bloom]

AMD claimed 20-25% so I feel 15% over the non-3D is realistic

[dull flint]

7800X3D will still be better but I think the gap will be smaller

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah single CCD latency is always best historically speaking

[cursive epoch]

MC better keep giving free ram

or the mobo prices will impact value proposition

[dull flint]

I really wanna just go grab a crosshair gene rn

[grizzled bloom]

Value? No one buying these will care about value. They just want the best no matter the cost.

[cursive epoch]

lol fair

we're talking about ryzen 9 here

[dull flint]

7950X3D are for overclockers and people who barely understand their needs

[cursive epoch]

more money than sense moment

but this might be a cpu that doesn't bottleneck a 4090

[dull flint]

probably will be

[nova linden]

So everyone is telling me that the i3-12100f is a little weak what would be the next best cpu for a tight budget build?

This is the motherboard I have in my parts list

ASRock B660M-HDV Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard

[cursive epoch]

for this low of a budget there's not much wiggle room

but before i can assume, what's your budget?

is this for a whole pc?

[nova linden]

Yeah my first build

Budget is around $600 -$700

[dull flint]

oh yes

• cracks knuckles *

watch me do one better for ya

[cursive epoch]

i'll let felix do it then

[nova linden]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8RckMb

This is what is in my parts list

[hard leaf]

dang son, your list is pretty pretty tight

[nova linden]

The game I’m trying to play is rocket league that list fits all the criteria but everyone is telling me that the cpu is a little weak

[dull flint]

oops

BLAM AGAIN

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jsBrFg

BLAM

[hard leaf]

not weak, just limited

[dull flint]

30 MIR but we could cut out the wifi if you genuinely don't need it

[nova linden]

Someone told me that the i3-12100f is better than the Ryzen 5 5600

[dull flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QQNyC6

[dull flint]

no

[hard leaf]

they are about equal

[cursive epoch]

that's not true

[dull flint]

5600 slaps 12100F

[cursive epoch]

it's better than 5500 tho

[dull flint]

5500 is closer to 12100f

[cursive epoch]

which is a different cpu altogether

5500 has half the cache

thus its perf tanked

[dull flint]

prime b450m-a ii my beloved

you are 80$ again

[cursive epoch]

prime mobo

i got one but it's the crappy version

b550m-k

came with the prebuilt kek

asus put rog bios on it

[dull flint]

any board with a bios flash is immediately in my favourites lately

[cursive epoch]

imagine that, prime mobo with rog bios

[dull flint]

prime mobos all have rog bios'

just not the skin

[cursive epoch]

huh

[dull flint]

I have two prime mobos

lol

[cursive epoch]

but true

[dull flint]

it's rog but blue

[nova linden]

So if I were gonna go with intel what cpu would you recommend?

[dull flint]

[cursive epoch]

intel can't be that cheap rn

[dull flint]

I just wouldn't at this budget

5600 is great value especially with the $80 board I linked

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/44hjFg

here's 32gb ram

my hierarchy goes like this

[hard leaf]

yup, an intel cpu will not only be a lot more money but the mobo will be a lot more money as well

stick with the 5600 at that level

[nova linden]

Ok so the Ryzen 5 5600 is pretty good than?

[dull flint]

it's mainly the mobo cost in this discussion

ye

if you go intel you'd expand budget imo to accomodate a 1400f

[nova linden]

Sorry for all the questions I’m new to this gaming pc stuff lol

[dull flint]

ur alright

it's not common knowledge

[hard leaf]

well the next intel cpu should be 30 usd more at best

[dull flint]

10105F>10400F>5500>12100F>5600>12400F>13400F>12600K>13600KF

[nova linden]

So these components will work pretty well together the only thing I’m worried about is it says the parts have potential comparability issues

[cursive epoch]

that's not an issue

since the board has flashback

[dull flint]

ya cos it needs to be bios updated, which you do when you build it

takes 5 minutes

[nova linden]

Ok thank you so much

[dull flint]

np

you got not only a much better cpu, but a much better GPU with that build

[nova linden]

Do you know if a website I can download the stuff to a flash drive to update the bios for that board?

[cursive epoch]

look up the board and you'll see it

[hard leaf]

yeah the manufacturer site

[dull flint]

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-b450m-a-ii/helpdesk_knowledge/?model2Name=PRIME-B450M-A-II

[nova linden]

Thank you again you’re a life saver

So I wanna download the bios version 4001 it looks like

[grizzled bloom]

That's the latest so yes

[nova linden]

👍❤️

[nova linden]

Does the Ryzen 5 5600 already come with thermal paste in it or do I need to buy thermal paste to apply ?

[cerulean wadi]

cpus don't usually come w/ paste, some coolers do. An aio often has a layer of paste pre-applied, tower heatsinks often not.

[hard leaf]

maybe the stock cooler comes with pre-applied paste, you should get a tube just in case

[cursive epoch]

5600 does come with a cooler

and that cooler has preapplied paste

[vast meadow]

Personally I'd swap 13400 and 12600k because you're gonna have to spend more on a board to oc it if you wanna do that and it runs hotter

[dull flint]

that's exactly why I put it lower lol

[vast meadow]

Confusion

[dull flint]

if you can afford the z board and cooler 12600k can be better if there's no better gpu

oc stonk

[vast meadow]

Mm i guess but thats usually almost enough money for a 13600k(f)

[dull flint]

ye

almost

I've done a couple builds where that's happened

[vast meadow]

Fair enough

[grizzled bloom]

Imo 12600k over 13400 because of the locked SA voltage on the 13th gen non-k limiting memory speed to 3466 without dropping to gear 2

[amber canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljZt_TQegHE&ab_channel=der8auerEN

[amber canopy]

Yea this is a neat video to listen to

[amber canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzvF7xZbcaI&ab_channel=der8auerEN

[graceful elm]

whats a good bang for buck 16gbx2 3200MHz ram kit

[minor mesa]

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007611 8000 600535716 600568010 600327642 600532727&Order=1

I'm running the G.Skill Aegis, but the Corsair Vengeance or Kingston Fury would be just as good or better, all for similar price points.

does anyone know if there is a repository of overclock tunes for Asrock A-tuning app? the googs not much help

[burnt spear]

The cheapest one you can find

That is cl16, that is

[cursive epoch]

^

[unborn falcon]

Hi all, I got a question, I bought a Refurbished: ASRock Z370 PRO4/OEM LGA 1151, I built it with a M.2 an SSD and a HDD but the MB will not detect the SSD or HDD.
1- Nothing in the bios
2- Updated Bios to latest
3- Verified SATA config is good
4- Tested 5 different HDD with no luck
5- Tested on all SATA ports since some of them are disabled when using M.2
6- Currently have SDD and HDD on port 2 and 4 with nothing
7- Returned MB and got another identical one with same results

Anybody have any ideas???

[upper aspen]

seems dumb but did you format the storage drives?

[dull flint]

@grizzled bloom 6%, not even if you use a proper A die kit on the 13900K

My hopes have been dashed

[grizzled bloom]

Oh is that the same site that "accidentally" leaked their bench results early last time?

[dull flint]

Could be

[grizzled bloom]

That few other outlets had similar results to?

[dull flint]

If it is that same site then these results are untrustworthy

Def worth checking that

They were untrustworthy last time

[unborn falcon]

You can't format drives if they are not detected by the MB, lol

[dull flint]

It's not the same source @grizzled bloom at least not at first glance

Also just noticed the 13900K is on a Kraken X63 which isn't even that good

Usable tho ig

[grizzled bloom]

They both are but that alone could skew results tbh

We don't know what temp either ran at

[dull flint]

Well that and the 13900K is using low speed ram

I mean I can say fairly confidently that 13900K would've been on the hot side

Probably still fine tho

DDR5 7200-7600 would've made a big difference tho

[grizzled bloom]

16% overall over the non-3D lines up with what I expected at least

[dull flint]

Yeah

The 7800X3D will be the one to beat in the next couple months

This is telling

OC would get you there on 13th but I reckon you'd be hard pressed* to get a stable 10% more on top

[grizzled bloom]

Too bad that's 3 months away

[dull flint]

I wonder if the ccd control will play a role here at all

If they even touched it

It's been like a day? Since they brought that bios control out

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah too many unknowns, but they usually have media bios versions for early features

[dull flint]

Would be fascinating to see if it's the granular fix that gives Ryzen the boost to latency it needs

In any case I'm kinda disappointed

Wanted to try AM5 but this isn't reason enough

[compact zenith]

To think of all that money I put a few months ago into my I9 Z690 build, and been using my Steam Deck remotely using it lol.

[grizzled bloom]

I hope you're at least using DSR scaling so you're getting some sort of benefit

[compact zenith]

What is that? So guess either that's a no, or I am, and just dont know it yet lol. Reason it's taken me from my new build, is Im trying to learn the Linux portion, so I can have some Steam Deck approved mods.

[grizzled bloom]

What it does is it renders the game in a higher resolution and scales it back down to native, so it looks much smoother

It's the opposite of DLSS lol

[compact zenith]

.
Have a question about the Gigabyte Z690 Aorus. Not sure what to look for. If I turn the system on with the monitor off, I get a fatal CPU error that boots up the PC next time into bios. Is there something that can disable a check, so I don't have to turn monitor on each time? Not good if power goes on and off while Im out, and boots into bios because monitor is now off.

[grizzled bloom]

Make sure fast boot options are on

That skips some of the checks

But only the bios ones, Windows fast boot is irrelevant for this

[compact zenith]

Going to double check. I have fast boot on, last I looked. It happens with all Z690 systems, that have a SATA hooked up.

[grizzled bloom]

Huh. Might be something they fix with a bios later then.

If it's a known bug like that and there's no fix there's not a lot you can do

[compact zenith]

I tried to keep my system 100% SATA free, and use SK Hynix P41 2TB NVME only, but ran into a problem with some work utilities, so keep them on a SATA.

[grizzled bloom]

You could use a usb to sata adapter

[compact zenith]

The first time I got that error, I almost lost it.

[compact zenith]

Does that cut down the slow down during the boot up process, using USB instead of direct SATA connection?

[grizzled bloom]

There's a lot less checks going on for USB devices instead of sata so probably

Is it a SSD or HDD?

[compact zenith]

8 and 16tb HDD

[grizzled bloom]

Get a dual drive dock then. It'll be powered which HDDs need. USB ports often don't have enough juice for 3.5" drives.

Something like this https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-External-Duplicator-Function-EC-HD2B/dp/B0759567JT?th=1

[compact zenith]

I have a USB dock I use for my Blu-ray player, which has it's own power supply.

[grizzled bloom]

Except maybe a 10Gbps model so you can use both at full speed at the same time

[compact zenith]

2 dock isn't that bad. I have four old Seagate hard drives, that are 3TB, and won't read unless fully level.

[grizzled bloom]

Unstable platters then, the platters can explode and shatter if they're not balanced.

[compact zenith]

I got that 1 device one I told you about, after my older case with the dock built on top, wouldn't work for the older drives.

[grizzled bloom]

Modern drives that isn't usually a concern

[compact zenith]

I have well over 80+ hard drives. Old pin to SATA. 4 that don't work unless upright, are very old and only use them from storage, when I want my old C64 and Atari roms.

I'd be worried if they were my newer ones heh.

Brb, getting more egg rolls, before my kids take them all.

[candid bane]

I have an ASUS Tuff z690 MB with CORSAIR Vengeance DDR5 32GB (2x16GB). When I enable XMP on the MB it causes instability with my memory to the point where when I am gaming the games (any game) crashes the computer after 10-30 minutes. The MB has the latest update. I would like to have full use of my memory but I don't want the constant crashes, does anyone have a work around? I forgot to add that XMP has been disabled and the games all run with no crashes.

[hollow thorn]

What's the xmp on the kit?

Like 5600c40?

[hollow thorn]

Can you try running occt's memory test or testmem5 anta777 with xmp enabled to make sure it's ram first?

[candid bane]

I'll give it a whirl

CORSAIR Vengeance DDR5 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 4800 (PC5-38400) C40 1.1V Memory -Black is what I have

right now the memory is running at 2400

[burnt spear]

It's running at 4800

Ddr is double data rate, the lowest ddr5 will run at without manually changing the speed is 4400 I believe

Double data rate=2400x2, meaning 4800mhx

[candid bane]

I've been running OCCT mem test with XMP enabled for the past 20 minutes and it is stating that I have 5 errors.

with XMP enabled task manager is stating that the ram is running at 5200, that doesn't seem right

[frosty depot]

Yeah as soon as you get even 1 error then the RAM is unstable. Rip xmp

[frosty depot]

Are there multiple xmp options in your bios?

[delicate iris]

is it worth upgrading to a Zen3 CPU when getting an AMD GPU or does it not really make a difference?

[candid bane]

so my memory is basically shot?

[hollow thorn]

Corsair doesn't really have a good reputation for hitting xmp so there's a good chance the sticks are just bad

but typically you can tweak settings to get xmp working

[candid bane]

thanks a ton, I really appreciate the help, I'll reach out to corsair and see what they say.

[candid bane]

not that I am seeing.

[frosty depot]

Corsair has really good CS (ime) so just let them know that it isn't working at the rated XMP specs and they should either replace or refund you.

[nova linden]

On the asus b450m am4 board I don’t see a spot to put the ssd. Would I have to buy a separate drive for the ssd to install in the case?

[dull flint]

@nova linden this one ye?

[nova linden]

Yes

[dull flint]

right here

just under the battery and cpu socket

[cursive epoch]

probably hidden by cooler

if it's big

[dull flint]

here

[nova linden]

Oh ok I didn’t see that

[dull flint]

all good

what ssd btw?

[nova linden]

Most of the time I see where you have to loosen a screw and take a cover off

The intel 1TB 670p 1 TB you recommended

[dull flint]

it comes with it separate

[dull flint]

hm probably fine then

just making sure cos some you kinda want a heatsink for

[nova linden]

Oh I see so I would have to buy the screws seperately to install it ?

[dull flint]

no no it should be in the box

all my asus boards come with that in a separate bag

even the ones that don't need it

it says on the website you should get that, the back cover and 2 sata cables included in the box

[nova linden]

Oh ok so the screws are in the box with the board? I was a little confused lol but all good and thank you

[dull flint]

knowing asus as well, a cd too

ye

and a manual

all good

[nova linden]

One more question so I should be good without a coooler right ? For that ssd

[dull flint]

ye should be

you can check when you're in windows if you want to be sure

using hwinfo64

it should show ssd temperature in there under the 'sensors only' section

[nova linden]

Ok thank you

[cedar kindle]

How tight should the cooler screws be when I put it back on my CPU? Until I start getting heavy resistance?

[cursive epoch]

just until it's snug

as long as you equally screw in each screws on each sides and get a good contact

that's enough

[cedar kindle]

Alrighty, thanks

[eternal helm]

Typically cooler screws have a spring that they'll bottom out on

[grizzled bloom]

I think we see why they delayed the 7800X3D now. No one would buy the higher X3D parts.

[vast meadow]

10000% also i havent watched yet but the bottom one is clearly amd biased

[grizzled bloom]

Surprisingly the CCD appears to be the same height as before so yay heat issues. At least direct die block still works.

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah as horizon has been, since it very much does not care what memory you use.
That was one of the bigger difference results.

[vast meadow]

interesting

[grizzled bloom]

Just for you 😉

They've added ray tracing in some games too because it apparently increases CPU load

[vast meadow]

nice kinda sad at how little on avg is actually increases perf tho

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah 9% overall is a bit weak but it does put them into contention with the KS now

CSGO skewed it pretty badly in this case though

[vast meadow]

Interesting the 7700x was on top

[grizzled bloom]

That game is super frequency and latency sensitive

[vast meadow]

Yeah very interesting

[dull flint]

Single ccd moment

[sudden creek]

Was doing some lite reading and if I am understanding correctly, the 7950x3D is about 5% slower for workstation tasks but 10% faster for gaming?

[dull flint]

More than that for gaming vs 7950x*

[sudden creek]

Doesn't this show that on average it's about 10%?

[dull flint]

I watched and read a lot of reviews yesterday

[vast meadow]

As mentioned CSGO skews the gaming perf down a lot

Csgo doesn't care about cache really

I wonder if you could get it to use the non 3d cores on games like csgo if it'd actually increase its perf in apps like that

[vernal summit]

I hear alot more if playing mmos like wow and gw2

[grizzled bloom]

Only average for the 12 tested games and there's the outlier result skewing it like I said

[grizzled bloom]

You can set "prefer frequency" in the bios

[vast meadow]

Oh fair enough i wonder if you changed that for just CS etc would show it much larget

[sudden creek]

E-sports level fps.

[cedar kindle]

Can someone decipher what this means in my motherboard manual? PCIe stuff confuses me. ASRock Z690 Extreme

Here’s from the website spec sheet. Does it mean I have 3 PCIe slots that can all run the full 16 lanes? One Gen 5, one Gen 4, and one Gen 3?

[dull flint]

1 full x16, 2 full x4, 1 single x1

[cedar kindle]

Thanks!

[vast meadow]

Well you'd kinda hope so for an esport lol

[sudden creek]

How hard is it to run 4 sticks of DDR5 on a X670E board?

Need at least 64gb of ram and if I did 4vs2 sticks I'd be able to get faster ram and for cheaper.

[hard leaf]

very hard

better chance to get that running with 32x2

the more sticks the less speed you get

[sudden creek]

Even if I used a Asus ROG Strix X670E-E?

[hard leaf]

yup

[sudden creek]

Oof alright

What's the difference in perf between 6400cl32 vs 6000cl30?

Same die I think.

[hard leaf]

performance in what?

ddr5 is less sensitive to cas latency, in other words, doesnt matter as much as on ddr4

[sudden creek]

Cl30.

My bad mistyped.

[hard leaf]

for games they are almost the same

[sudden creek]

For workstation use.

[hard leaf]

more speed will be better

either scenario

cas latency means nothing at those speeds

[sudden creek]

Got it.

Gonna get this pair then.

[hard leaf]

however, for am5 i wouldnt go beyond 6000

[sudden creek]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/G-SKILL-Trident-6000MHz-1-40V-Channel/dp/B0BSB94VC2/ref=mp_s_a_1_61?crid=13DEGWAD8N9CQ&keywords=ddr5+6400+64gb&qid=1677688726&sprefix=ddr5+6400+64gb%2Caps%2C148&sr=8-61&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.66c34496-0d28-4d73-a0a1-97a8d87ec0b2

[hard leaf]

for 13th gen, you can go as high as your ceiling

[sudden creek]

Going AMD this time around.

[hard leaf]

no more 13900k?

[sudden creek]

Yeah, thinking long term perspective AM5 made more sense.

[hard leaf]

because?

you are as old in this server as me to know that future proofing is a lie

[sudden creek]

I have my reasons. And I'm not future proofing for what most do.

[hard leaf]

well you do you then, but just my 2 cents.... 13th gen will hold you as long as am5 will hold you before your next whole upgrade (5-6 years)

unless you plan to replace the cpu every 1,5/2 years

[sudden creek]

In any case thanks for the tip on the ram. I wonder when running 4 sticks will be plausible.

[sudden creek]

I am one of them guys.

[hard leaf]

then you should now as well than these gen mobos will not handle 4 ram sticks at all. maybe on the 800 series or 900

by the time you want to upgrade your cpu, you will have to replace the mobo as well

and there it goes your am5 long term support

[sudden creek]

4 sticks isn't really my concern.

Just need 64gb of ram.

[hard leaf]

oh ok

Also keep in mind that am5 cpus have a sweet spot of 6000mt/s and the mobos this gen (650/670) are capped at 6400 mt/s (or near that) so any new cpus on the am5 socket will be limited to 6400mt/s max unless you change the mobo as well

[sudden creek]

K.

Works with me.

And again, thank you for the information.

[stark violet]

That's pretty good gain consider its also pulling lower power

[grizzled bloom]

Only a little bit lower when gaming, all core is where the real difference is there

[dull flint]

Yeah 7950X3D is like, 60-70W
13900ks is like, 85-95W lol

[grizzled bloom]

Vs KS isn't even fair lol

[dull flint]

Even K the power profile is basically the same

I just remember KS from a recent vid lol

[obtuse forge]

guys i got a asus prime a320M-A and it only has one fan connector but i want to add more rgb fans and my motherboard doesn't seems to have rgb connectors so is there solutions?

[cerulean wadi]

360p is laughable, even if it's to test cpus.

[long geyser]

720p kinda makes sense, cuz that could be 1080p or 1440p perf in a few future GPU generations. 360p isnt really realistic, can also easily push for other bottlenecks (ex: memory).

[grizzled bloom]

You can use a fan hub for the power and a separate RGB controller to control lighting.

Which one you can/should use depends on the fans you pick.

[iron nacelle]

daisy chain 20 splitters

[bright turret]

I use a 5900x, and need a bit more fps. Should I swap it to 5800x3d or 5950x? Would the upgrade be worth while?

I use a 3440x1440 monitor. 4k wasn't that good for me. My gpu is 4090.

Why not get 7950x3d or the new 7000 chip series? Cause I don't plan on changing my motherboard anytime at the moment.

[cursive epoch]

I wouldn't bother upgradading

Any cpu would bottleneck 4090 anyway as of current

7800x3d hasn't released

UW 1440p is still kinda the res where 4090 can sleep through

[bright turret]

Would the 7800x3d do any better than the 7950x3d?

[bright turret]

I see. How about the intel 13900ks?

[cursive epoch]

Similar situation

[bright turret]

Alright thank you for your reply.

[stark violet]

At ultra settings I kinda doubt

7600 and 13600k or upwards from both camp will nicely handle that gpu for the most part

[amber canopy]

same

[grizzled bloom]

You'd think that... but 1440p is hard limited by CPU

[sudden creek]

What do you mean by hard limited?

[grizzled bloom]

As in there's nothing you can do to improve fps without overclocking the CPU and memory, and even then you only get a little more

At 4k high quality in that same game you get almost as many fps, 164

[sudden creek]

Oh, so past 1080p it's mostly GPU bound?

For any extra fps without OC.

[grizzled bloom]

If it was truly GPU bound you'd see about the same gap at both 1440p and 4k (short of low memory issues)

[sudden creek]

Think I understand.

[grizzled bloom]

This is just one example, there's games where you do see a GPU bind at 1440p using a 13900k but far cry is a pretty load balanced game across the system

In short, there's many examples where using a 4090 at anything less than 4k is wasteful and you should have saved $1000 and gotten a 6950 XT

[stark violet]

still would prefer a 4090 build with a 7600 at 1440p then a 4080

the bottleneck is not atrocious

[grizzled bloom]

Keep telling yourself that

[stark violet]

🤔

It's wild how different games perform huh

[lyric turret]

Checking my memory rn it’s at 1 hour 17mins

No errors so far

[grizzled bloom]

Still the 4090 being only 7% faster is not worth paying $700 more.
At 4k the gap is more like 28% which is better at least.

[lyric turret]

So my ram is fine?

[grizzled bloom]

Probably ™️

[coral hemlock]

Hey guys I just got a new Ryzen 7 5800x3D ever since I put it in I get no boot I tried resetting cmos, unplugging and plugging everything on my mother board , got a flash drive with bios update And still can’t get a boot The pc just keeps restarting itself Any ideas on what to do other then get an old cpu and update bios that way

My motherboard is x570 ASRock Phantom Gaming 4

[iron nacelle]

run a imc test like y cruncher vst or karhu as well

[lyric turret]

What’s the link to those and for how long

[iron nacelle]

just run y cruncher mem suite or karhu overnight i guess

mem suite being n32,n64, and vst in y cruncher

[grizzled bloom]

There's a batch file to automate running VST in #overclocking

[lyric turret]

Huh

[grizzled bloom]

It's the top pinned comment from forks

[lyric turret]

O okay but I don’t think I’m gonna OC my ram besides having XMP on

[grizzled bloom]

Right, XMP is still an overclock and that's just where the pin is

[lyric turret]

Oo okay, so I run it for a few mins and I’m good? Then run testmem5 over night? Or

[grizzled bloom]

It'll run a test and should tell you when it's done

And you can run the TM5 overnight profile if you want, or corecycler

[lyric turret]

Alright so should I turn XMP off before doing that thing he pinned?

[grizzled bloom]

No leave it on

[lyric turret]

this?

[grizzled bloom]

yes

[lyric turret]

wheres the other thing im missing theres only that link i see

also i debloated windwos 11 with thisiswin11 from github so do i choose windows or linux

[grizzled bloom]

In the pinned message

Just put the bat file in the ycruncher folder and run it

[lyric turret]

Like this? and run it as admin or

[grizzled bloom]

double click vst.bat

nothing special about it

[lyric turret]

Is that it?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes it's running

[lyric turret]

Oh Ight cool

[grizzled bloom]

Let it run at least 20 iterations, preferably more

You can just close the window to kill it

[lyric turret]

Ight bet so aftwr 20 iterations I will,

How do I find out my ballpark for stability

[grizzled bloom]

If it doesn't error you're stable in that test

Y-cruncher is good for finding weird errors, you can pass TM5 and fail the validation in y-cruncher

[lyric turret]

If I pass this test do you think my ram is stable? And good? And I can move on to next part

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah if you pass that then I think we can call the memory stable and move on to GPU tests

Do you own time spy or do you just use the demo version?

[lyric turret]

I only use demo version

[grizzled bloom]

Darn because that has a stability test too in the full version

[lyric turret]

How much is it

I can return it after a certain period of time 💀

Should I do more tests with my cpu? Or is the aOoct Over night for the CPU good enough

[grizzled bloom]

It would be corecycler overnight, OCCT only lets you test for an hour in the free version

[lyric turret]

Oh yea that

[grizzled bloom]

3dmark is $35 right now, it's often on sale for $5 though

[lyric turret]

Which version

There’s a AIDA64 extreme to

[grizzled bloom]

aida is kinda garbage though

[lyric turret]

I can get it for 6$ rn

[grizzled bloom]

Yep gotta love those resale sites, they buy in bulk when it's on sale

[lyric turret]

I wasn’t sure if I was allowed to say that so that’s why said I can get it for 6$🤣

[grizzled bloom]

We can talk about them just not in any specific way, like no links or site names

[lyric turret]

Ooh okay

Done got@it

I’m on iteration 14

When should I stop

[grizzled bloom]

You can stop when it's done with 20

That should be enough to get the memory to peak temp

Once you have 3dmark downloaded you can get the stress test tab, run TS extreme or speed way

What that will do is run the bench in a loop and log all the relevant data like fps, frame time, and frame drops

[lyric turret]

How long is the test usually

[grizzled bloom]

Then it'll spit out a percentage when it's done to give you a rough idea of stability

20 loops, about 20 minutes

[lyric turret]

I think it might pass but I think the stability won’t be good along the lines of FPS which if it does it’s either my mobo or PSU

[grizzled bloom]

Keep in mind the Steam achievement is for 99% stability or better

If it starts off strong in fps and dips it'll hurt that score

[lyric turret]

Yea fr

I reached out to EVGA

they said this

apologize for the issues you are experiencing. There are a few things we would like to try to further diagnose the issue. To rule out any power issues, making sure that all power connectors are secure and re-seating the card to insure proper connection. Please go to your BIOS going to hardware monitor. Monitoring the +12v reading which should be a constant between 11.6-12.4. Any irregular or fluctuations of anything greater than .05 readings may be a sign of power supply instability. Granted these readings only show the system at an idle state but it will give us a bit better idea of the condition of the power supply. However it is very rare and unlikely for a power supply to limit game performance especially if one is not experiencing any type of crashes or failure to power on

[grizzled bloom]

Your 12v reading was fine during the OCCT test, 12.24v
A tad high but totally in spec

[lyric turret]

Oh okay

What ahohld@I use for my@cpu testing

[grizzled bloom]

Did you do prime95 yet?

[lyric turret]

Nope only OOCT

[grizzled bloom]

Prime95 smallfft test will push it to the thermal limit and stress it hard, good for finding certain kinds of errors that only show in high heat/stress

You can have OCCT open to watch the individual core usage charts to see if any drop/stop

[lyric turret]

My ram passed

I did 24

[grizzled bloom]

Yep we'll call ram stable then

[lyric turret]

I just Click X to stop it?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah

[lyric turret]

Should I download 3d on my SSD or hdd

Also which DLC do I download

Benchmark

[grizzled bloom]

Open it and tell it to download time spy if it isn't already

The steam installer is outdated and it'll just update again anyway

[grizzled bloom]

SSD gets better load times but it doesn't matter really

[lyric turret]

Yea it be done in 2mins

It’s done

[grizzled bloom]

The stress test or just the benchmark

The stress test should take ~20 minutes

[grizzled bloom]

You had an AMD or Nvidia GPU? I forgot

6950 I think it was?

[lyric turret]

AMD

6900xt

[grizzled bloom]

Ah right

Time spy extreme stress test

Speed way and port royal do ray tracing which that GPU isn't great at

[lyric turret]

It’s done already lol wth

[grizzled bloom]

If it closed that fast something is wrong

[lyric turret]

No it didn’t start I meant the installizwtion part

It installed already lol

[grizzled bloom]

Ohhh

[lyric turret]

Now I’m good to run it?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah it's not a large set of tests

Go ahead and run

[lyric turret]

Bet

The results will show at the end right?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[lyric turret]

Ight cool,

So if this passes then

I have no idea what’s next lol besides the cpu overnight

[grizzled bloom]

Right. And if that passes then I'd point at the motherboard.

[lyric turret]

Yea that’s gonna be a pain bc of the RMA

[lyric turret]

Not a PSU issue?

[grizzled bloom]

Very unlikely unless the drop in usage corresponds to drops/spikes in voltage

You've got an A tier unit iirc

[lyric turret]

Should I order a new mobo when I rMA mine? Bc RMA takes quite the time

[lyric turret]

Oo okay

[grizzled bloom]

That can take a few weeks yeah. Might as well. You can always return it and pay the restock fee if it's within the 30 days, depending on the seller. Check the T&C on that.

[lyric turret]

Should I order the same mobo?

[lyric turret]

It’s done

[grizzled bloom]

Up to you

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah you've got 3 huge frequency drops on the GPU but the CPU is unchanged

[lyric turret]

Yea, so what now?

[grizzled bloom]

It really looks like a GPU issue but they said it's not during the RMA

[lyric turret]

Mhm but they only used AMD adrenaline software for the testing on it

[grizzled bloom]

Oddly the frame rate doesn't appear to drop at the same time as the frequency

[grizzled bloom]

There's one thing suggested by another techie, which is running a game in a different direct x mode or translating it to vulkan using dxvk

And you'd see if the problem goes away changing render modes like that

[lyric turret]

Like what game and direct mode and how do I go out about doing the vulkan thing?

[grizzled bloom]

What games did you have the issue the most in

[lyric turret]

So I ram rainbow six siege and it ran fine thrn I ran apex and it was horrible so I ram rainbow six siege again and now that’s acting up lol

Ran*

Apex is with the most issue

[lyric turret]

Didn’t this run in dx12?

The stress test I just did

[grizzled bloom]

Time spy? Yeah

[lyric turret]

I run apex in dx11

Same with rainbow

[grizzled bloom]

We'll try vulkan still

Just a minute

[lyric turret]

alright

[grizzled bloom]

Apex doesn't work well in vulkan apparently since it has so many shaders

It stutters a lot since it has to compile them on the fly, so I'll look at r6s next

[lyric turret]

alright I dont really play r6 though i only downlaoded it to see if it performs well and well it didnt lol same issue as apex

[grizzled bloom]

Wait... that was an old thread I was looking at newer versions of dxvk seem to fix the stutter from shader pre-caching

[lyric turret]

oo

so thats good then

[grizzled bloom]

Could give it a try still

[lyric turret]

what about this

[grizzled bloom]

I'm running through the instructions right now so I can break it into smaller steps for you

[lyric turret]

oo okay thank you!

i could also trye running apex in dx12

[grizzled bloom]

For now download this https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk/releases/download/v2.1/dxvk-2.1.tar.gz

Yeah you can try dx12 also while you wait

Restart the pc first to be safe

[lyric turret]

Restart it aftwr I enable dx12?

[grizzled bloom]

Sure

[lyric turret]

Or restart it when

[grizzled bloom]

At some point after this moment

And before you test the game

Once you test dx12 mode let me know, dxvk was easier than I thought to do lol

[lyric turret]

Bet, I’m running a game rn and gonna see what happens rn I’m testing with surface optimization turned off

Okay turning that off didn’t do it lol

Trying dx12 now

[lyric turret]

Yea okay dx12 doesn’t run any better

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, dxvk is easy. Copy the files d3d11.dll and dxgi.dll from the x64 folder and paste them into the Apex folder where the main exe file is. Then tell it to run in DX11 mode. You can verify it's running in vulkan mode by looking at the d3d11.log file in the same directory.

[lyric turret]

bet

[grizzled bloom]

You'll need 7zip to open it

[lyric turret]

o

got it

okay so i open dxvk with 7zip?

im confused i right click that and choose 7zip but it doesnt do anything

[grizzled bloom]

Open 7zip

Then tell 7zip to open the compressed file

First run there's some settings you can change so the OS knows 7zip can open the files

But for now open the tar.gz, which has a .tar inside, and go to the x64 folder

You can navigate using that or go to file > open

[lyric turret]

i click file and open and nothing happens

nvm

got it

[grizzled bloom]

Good, x64 folder, select and drag the files I said to the Apex folder with the game exe

[lyric turret]

alright so drag everything in the 64 folder to my apex folder

or this

[grizzled bloom]

Try the assets folder

[lyric turret]

got it

[grizzled bloom]

Yep there

[lyric turret]

Place it in here

[grizzled bloom]

The bottom 2

[lyric turret]

boom

[grizzled bloom]

Yes, now run it in dx11 mode

[lyric turret]

so just run apex normally than

i got rid of the config for dx12

2

[grizzled bloom]

Yep

[lyric turret]

Do you think this will work?

[lyric turret]

2

tried 3 times

now what l;ol

it wont work

Restarting Pc

[lyric turret]

restarting did nothing

[grizzled bloom]

Sorry I'm cooking while helping you out so there might be delays

[lyric turret]

oh all goood

[grizzled bloom]

Hmm that might be for the best, I guess a bunch of Linux users are reporting they got banned for "modifying game files"

All that Linux would be modifying is the dxvk so maybe you dodged a bullet lol

[lyric turret]

oop

so now what

delete the files

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah

[lyric turret]

and then what lol? go back to testing

[grizzled bloom]

Sorry that was all for nothing

[lyric turret]

hey its fine man it was worth the shot ngl

what should i do

[grizzled bloom]

We're back where we were. You were going to do corecycler overnight right?

[lyric turret]

Yea

[lyric turret]

if my PSU is stable the other thing left is mobo>?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[lyric turret]

What if its a software issue

since it works for a weeek with a fersh install

[grizzled bloom]

If that were the case a fresh install would fix it completely, unless it's a third party program that you installed again

[lyric turret]

True i mean i Only had apex installed with that frehs install of windows

and a browser

[grizzled bloom]

It's a bit of a long shot but you can try reinstalling the visual studio runtimes, they're used and modified by a lot of games.
https://aka.ms/vs/17/release/vc_redist.x64.exe
https://aka.ms/vs/17/release/vc_redist.x86.exe

[lyric turret]

do i unistall these first?

[grizzled bloom]

No

I mean, you can but it'll just use the latest or uninstall them automatically

[lyric turret]

is this microsoft related?

these drivers?

I have a debloated win11 with a program called thisiswin11 and it deletes everything microsoft related

[grizzled bloom]

Yes they're from microsoft but they're not drivers per se

The game would have installed a version of them before you tried to run it

[lyric turret]

oh okay

so i clicked the first one and it installed then disappeared am i good

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, reboot and try again

[grizzled bloom]

You'll want to do both x86 and x64 also

[lyric turret]

yea i did

[grizzled bloom]

k

[lyric turret]

done rebooting

[grizzled bloom]

Looks normal

[lyric turret]

It didnt unistall the other ones

[grizzled bloom]

That's fine, those are different versions

The packages I sent were 2015-2022, those are 2010 and 2012

[lyric turret]

oh okay hm should i update the other ones then?/ unistall the old ones

[grizzled bloom]

Nah I doubt apex is using the older ones

[lyric turret]

Also should i turn off hardware accerlated gpu in regedit>?

also this look fine?

[grizzled bloom]

Anything is worth a try at this point

[grizzled bloom]

yes

[lyric turret]

What would it be under?

and multi pane overlay (mpo) is a window management thing that causes problems this to>

dont got it nvm

They provide a .reg file to make the change for you, but if you'd rather do it by hand the key is HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Dwm, create DWORD OverlayTestMode with value 00000005.

Disabling this may break some of the Windows "fullscreen optimization" stuff, but frankly that's always been kind of a nightmare anywa

[lyric turret]

Can’t find it in registry for hardware sccerlated

[grizzled bloom]

I don't even have those options lol

[dull flint]

Not there for AMD iirc

[grizzled bloom]

Ah. Is it just straight not supported?

[dull flint]

I remember looking for that myself and not finding it lol

So that's normal

[lyric turret]

Should i have bariable refresh rate on though with my type of monitor? i have AMD freesync premium monitor and amd free sync premium is on

[dull flint]

Yeah sure

It helps with tearing

[lyric turret]

So does free sync though'

idk if both of them on is causing my problems..

im gonna try a game with it off

[dull flint]

It's the same thing

[lyric turret]

so If i turn amd freesync off on my monitor that will turn off or LOL

or they do the same thing

[dull flint]

They do the same thing

They both reduce tearing

[lyric turret]

ohh

ok

[dull flint]

Whether or not they're mutually exclusive or inclusive I cannot say, don't know enough

[lyric turret]

I do wonder what is casuing my input delay on apex loll

[dull flint]

What monitor do you have?

[lyric turret]

M26qx gigabyte 1440p 240hz

I’m using a debloatedwindows 11 and it’s the first time I have mouse input delay

If I use a regular fresh windows I don’t have the delay

[dull flint]

Mouse acceleration off?

Is it just input delay or are there other issues

[lyric turret]

Mhm

No there’s other issues but me and fal are working on that

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/mouse-gif-21231018

The only mouse accel I use

[dull flint]

Hm

Well input delay could be related to the other problems

[grizzled bloom]

That part only started after debloating

The other issues were there before as well

[dull flint]

[lyric turret]

But I think the mouse input delay is only apex

I’ll try six siege rn

[stark violet]

The thought ever occurred maybe it's just me and even esports pros would be okay with the the setup

[hollow thorn]

@lyric turret Siege defaults to dx12, but offers Vulkan as an option on launch, does playing siege in Vulkan instead of dx12 fix anything?

[lyric turret]

Yea

[hollow thorn]

So it does fix everything...?

[lyric turret]

no i mean i tried what u said and it didnt fix

[hollow thorn]

Any kind of recording software at all? Through adrenaline or windows, the windows game bar thing defaults to being on iirc

[lyric turret]

There’s recording software in amd adrenaline

I have game bar disabled

[grizzled bloom]

Game bar would have been killed in the debloat

[lyric turret]

That’s a good thing rifht

But im@pretty sure i turned it off after the debloating

[fleet cypress]

Might anyone know why I'm seeing a cpu fan error with a brand new computer build? The fan is still spinning and I don't think the cpu temperature is too high either. 27c with a stock amd air cooler last time I checked.

[grizzled bloom]

Do you have the fan plugged into the correct header?

[fleet cypress]

I believe I do. The one labeled cpu fan. That's the correct one I believe.

[grizzled bloom]

It's not the CPU_OPT one?

[fleet cypress]

It is. Did I plug it into the wrong one by mistake?

[grizzled bloom]

CPU_OPT is for a secondary fan if you have a dual tower cooler

[fleet cypress]

Oooh! alright, I'll fix that. Thank you!

[nova linden]

So I have the nova mesh se tg case and the asus b450m mother board would I need a fan splitter for this set up I think there is only one fan hookup on this board?

[grizzled bloom]

Which b450m there's 6

[nova linden]

Sorry asus prime b450m a II micro atx

[grizzled bloom]

You have 2 system fan headers. If you have more fans than that then yes you can use a splitter.

[nova linden]

Ok so I don’t need any extra parts than. Sweet

Thank you

Dang I cannot type today lol

[obtuse forge]

do you need a cpu to update bios on a asus prime A320m-a motherboard?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes it doesn't appear to have flashback so you'll need a CPU that whatever current version of BIOS it has can run