cpus-mobo-and-memory

[compact zenith]

PCIe to USB 3.2 Gen 2 Adapter Card with 20 Gbps Bandwidth 5-Port (3X USB C -2X USB A) PCI Express Expansion Card Internal USB Hub PCI-E Add-on Cards Riser for Windows 10/8/7 and MAC OS 10.8.2 Above https://a.co/d/cUspOAU

If you don't need SATA, the above I just pasted might be better for you @midnight pollen

That's me waiting for the coffee machine to finish brewing in the morning.

[midnight pollen]

I will take a look when i get a chance thank you

[sudden creek]

Lmao, same here.

Except for me it's Tea since I can't drink coffee anymore.

[devout quest]

I am building a pc and I am getting a Nividia 3080 and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions on a motherboard?

[cerulean wadi]

Pick cpu, then mobo. Gpu is irrelevant to mobo.

[devout quest]

Is there a big difference between the Ryzen 9 5950x 16-core and the Ryzen 9 5900x 12-core?

[hollow thorn]

16 cores vs 12 cores

[devout quest]

Yes I see 5950 it is then

[devout quest]

I’m getting the Nvidia 3080 and Ryzen 9 5950x. Which is better for my needs for mobo? A520, B550, or X570?

[dull flint]

Uh, b550

What's this pc for?

Also what's your budget

[cerulean wadi]

Randomly says ok, 16cores it is. 🤣

[dull flint]

Ikr

If this is just for games both are equally fast, in fact so is the 5700X and 5800X

[devout quest]

It’s for gaming, streaming, and editing videos and what you don’t see is my wife doing research as I’m asking to make sure what she’s reading is lining up with what you guys are saying. The cores wasn’t what was being wondered about it. It was if there was difference between 5900 and 5950. It looked like on paper there wasn’t much of a difference so she wanted me to see if there was a difference that wasn’t listed.

[dull flint]

Ok no problem, that's why I figured to ask lol

So what's your budget for this build?

[devout quest]

2300

[dull flint]

Ok I'll see what I can whip up rq

[burnt spear]

5800x3d beats it in gaming

[dull flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qByQgb

Something like this @devout quest

Way under your budget, room for a better gpu if you want it (PSU will need to be a bit better too)

[burnt spear]

could get 4080 if wanted

[dull flint]

Yeah 4080 16gb will fit here and if you can nab one will be way worth it

Think almost 2x the performance

Maybe realistically 1.8-1.6x faster

Any questions just ask, we do this a lot for people who drop in here

[devout quest]

I will we’re looking now

[dull flint]

Np

[long geyser]

4090 is 177% of 3090Ti in GPU bound scenarios, 4080 is 75% of 4090. 177% * 75% is 133%.

[dull flint]

So yeah more like 1.8x

Lol

[long geyser]

4090 yes, 4080 no.

You were talking about the 4080, so no.

[dull flint]

Oh 133%

I'm walking and typing rn

My bad

[long geyser]

People say don't text and drive, but they should really be saying don't text and walk.
Also reference for my Ada perf info: #graphics-cards message

I go by non-DLSS3 perf as DLSS3 perf can't really be measured by FPS alone. It's also not really useful yet (hoping it will be soon tho).

[dull flint]

I don't cross roads while I'm texting lol

Also yeah I know you did sheets I just couldn't really read the message properly

I was having a pepega moment

[proud estuary]

Can you plug in a ethernet adapter (usb) into motherboard and it work?

[cursive epoch]

Yes

[proud estuary]

Bet ok 👍

[tranquil wolf]

so I am looking to get a PCIe USB 3.0 Card 7 Port, and the specs say it will work in PCIe 1.0-4.0, and 1x, 4x, 8x, or 16x, would it really matter which I use?

[grizzled bloom]

PCIe is cross compatible between versions. As long as there's drivers for it in the OS it doesn't matter. You might get speed limited if it's on a slower interface or smaller slot but it'll work.

[tranquil wolf]

my plan was for it to be in the bottom PCIe 3.0 x16 slot

[grizzled bloom]

That's fine

[tranquil wolf]

what the mobo has listed, so i figured bottom should be good

[grizzled bloom]

The lower x16 slots run in x4 mode

Which is fine if it's not a full length x16 card

[tranquil wolf]

it's not

or

[grizzled bloom]

That's x1 so you'll get a speed limit of 1gbps at 3.0

[tranquil wolf]

the NEgg pics say diff, is it bc of a diff PCIe slot?

[grizzled bloom]

That's just the spec for USB it's talking about

The actual potential speed will be limited by the interface

[tranquil wolf]

so would it be better for the 4.0 slot?

[grizzled bloom]

Even at 4.0 it's still limited to 2gbps

If you want faster you'll want a wider interface

[tranquil wolf]

so 8x or 16x?

[grizzled bloom]

Ah wait the page I was looking at had the capitalization wrong

It's 1GBps at 3.0 x1

Which is 8gbps

So that'll work but keep in mind that's shared speed among all the ports

[tranquil wolf]

gotcha, thanks for the info and tolerating my Qs lol

[grizzled bloom]

No worries, that's why we're here

[compact zenith]

I was delayed getting my returns out, with wife in hospital, and went to transfer all the unopened parts and Manuel's from the replacement Z690 Newegg sent me, and noticed, the boards serial number, didn't match the box it came out of. Instead of ending in 518, it ends in 160. I figure someone returned it saying they didn't need it, and swapped a bad board out, hence all the past trouble with drives vanishing, USB failing and what not. Don't know what Newegg does, but loss prevention I used to work For, prosicutes any and all customers who try swapping items from boxes. No reciept, they allow one exchange, with state ID only. They treat swapping like shoplifting, unless manufacturer sets up a special exchange, like with water heater tanks.

I noticed something else about the Z690, compared to the Z390, something I never got around to narrowing down.

The Z390 when on family share, vanishes off the network, when file total reaches past 65535. Doesn't happen with the Z690, so curious as to what fails, just because of the file total. Was just luck that I caught on it was file amount, when I added a new album to family share, the PC just dropped. Moment I unshared, came back online.

[grizzled bloom]

65535 is the maximum 16 bit unsigned integer value, so something in software isn't able to handle more than a 16 bit number of files and it kills the process that's sharing it

[dull flint]

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2022/10/CORE-i9-13900KF-BENCHMATE-MT.jpg

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-13900kf-has-been-overclocked-to-6-2-ghz-with-aio-cooler

Ez 35%+ multicore over the 12900K/KF/KS

Would want to see a passmark tho with it

Also didn't realise tomorrow is the 20th

[dull flint]

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2022/10/INTEL-13900K-vs-AMD-7950X-1.jpg

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2022/10/INTEL-13900K-vs-AMD-7950X-2.jpg

[vast meadow]

Okay that's cool and all but i found a way to get massive battery perf gaines on laptop for not that much perf loss

[dull flint]

He's using my own arguments against me...!!

[vast meadow]

You wanna see results?

I don't have batt improvement numbers but cpu wattage tanked

[dull flint]

gib

I wanna see

[vast meadow]

Lemme grab lappy

Guess wattage improvements? For cpu only btw

[dull flint]

hm

I'm guessing an undervolt

Intel...

40% wattage drop?

[vast meadow]

Nope easier than uv

Although i already have uv

And more

[dull flint]

just power limit change?

[vast meadow]

Nope this is just plain old ideapad

[dull flint]

I did that on the 11500h and it worked out nicely

[vast meadow]

Oh like in xtu?

[dull flint]

ye

[vast meadow]

Oh maybe option

I forgot that exists

But this is just in windows

[dull flint]

I set it from like, 80W to 40W and suddenly it's full tilt but 30C cooler

[vast meadow]

Which means it works on ryzen too

[dull flint]

power plan???

WAIT

maximum processor state?

[vast meadow]

Yes

Lol

[dull flint]

[vast meadow]

It doesn't seem to work as good in everything but deff power savingd

[dull flint]

I should do that on my older laptop

that's not a bad idea tbh

my current lappy goes ham as much as it wants tho and not temp limited really

11500H would benefit too cos no need to run XTU (resource hog)

I want to test this

[vast meadow]

I mean mt hurts but st doesn't really

@dull flint
In order 100%
80%
60%

And ts bench just cuz only thing i had on laptop

[dull flint]

that makes it the same as a PL change in XTU

I wonder the difference of scaling

[vast meadow]

Wdym?

Scaling what

[dull flint]

well I wonder if a PL would scale better MT perf over processor state locking

or reverse

one is a PL lock the other is a utility lock

[dull flint]

jesus that power scaling

from 12 to 3

[vast meadow]

Ah i see

Yeah hugeee

I saw it go from 12w to 2w last week when i ran

[dull flint]

should try cinememe or like occt stable

occt you can use with a usb

[vast meadow]

I tried p95 yesterday i think it managed to just ignore the thing lol

[dull flint]

[vast meadow]

Oh i can install I was just lazy

[dull flint]

still yeeted power despite the power plan??

[vast meadow]

Aye

[dull flint]

le oof

[vast meadow]

Pepehans

[dull flint]

I don't think PL XTU did that

been a while so I forget which synthetic I did

well I guess this is the XTU workaround/le hacc

[vast meadow]

Lemme try occt

What settings should i use?

[dull flint]

cpu test

small

extreme

fixed

all threads

iirc

if it ignores that too then sadge

[vast meadow]

Load type steady or variable?

Steady?

[dull flint]

steady

STEADY AS SHE GOES CAPN

[vast meadow]

Also btw those numbers are already after UV

So possibly more savings without?

Idk anyway reckon 2 mins of occt is good enough?

[dull flint]

yea more than enough to see the power draw

you can also do occt power test to yeet the whole system too (power virus mode)

[vast meadow]

Just want to let it stabilse

[dull flint]

oh stability? stability I'd do steady then variable not fixed threads but advanced - select all cpu cores

then there's an option like, switch core every few seconds, that one

[vast meadow]

Nono stability is fine i just meant the power

Like make sure it doesn't spike or whatever

[dull flint]

ah yea then steady* and I guess just variable

[vast meadow]

100% vs 60%

[dull flint]

wth

try power virus test

[vast meadow]

15.8 vs 4.3

Lolol

I am op

My batt life has actually gone stonks

[dull flint]

are you checking frequency too

effective clocks

[vast meadow]

Oh clocks going down like

But idc

[dull flint]

i mean sure

but it matters

[vast meadow]

It's college laptop so idc

[dull flint]

I wanna know what it might do on 11500H reeee

[vast meadow]

As in i only use for college

[dull flint]

[vast meadow]

effective core clocks at 100% then at 60%
Then at 80%

Uses 6.68w at 80% btw

[dull flint]

80% looks closer to the better efficiency there

1/3 the power but 60%-ish perf

[vast meadow]

Might try 90% even

[dull flint]

yea I would

[vast meadow]

Nah

Eh I don't need speed

[dull flint]

for science

[vast meadow]

it's chrome and word laptop

[dull flint]

[vast meadow]

Finneeeee

[dull flint]

hey we can use this, to HELP PEOPLE

[vast meadow]

Nope 90 sucks

[dull flint]

kekw

what about 70

[vast meadow]

1.6ish ghz at 8.17w

[dull flint]

eh wha

that's good

75% ish effective at 50% power

[vast meadow]

Oh fair i guess

[dull flint]

that's not 80% good but still significant

try 70

[vast meadow]

Okey

[dull flint]

you might find the efficiency curve

[vast meadow]

I should plot these points lol

[dull flint]

it's an interesting method so far

[vast meadow]

1.19ghz at 5.4w

[dull flint]

55% perf at <33% power

[vast meadow]

Imma plot

X power or ghz?

[dull flint]

power vs effective ghz

I think the curve falls after 60%

[vast meadow]

Probably lets seee

Wtf my core 1 t0 is at like 500mhz on 70% pl?

Imma restart occt

[dull flint]

kekw

[vast meadow]

I'm redoing and reading avg of avg clocks after min

[dull flint]

okie

[vast meadow]

I think that's most fair?

[dull flint]

ye

in stages of 10% a go is fine

[vast meadow]

Might have to do 90-100 in smaller steps

[dull flint]

[vast meadow]

Lmfao

[dull flint]

https://tenor.com/view/japan-suit-car-anime-cartoon-gif-7931159

50%

[vast meadow]

92% time

Ayooo

Okay 92% sees clock increase and power decrease? I feel like margin of error moment

[dull flint]

probably

[vast meadow]

Lol

95% succ

@dull flint ^

[dull flint]

that's still an efficiency line

not a curve yet

try 50%

[vast meadow]

Idk how to plot line through points okay

I wonder if matlab would do a better job at that

[dull flint]

if you changed the ghz axis scaling you'd see some more agressive-looking data

numbers??

man 3am huh

[long geyser]

Give me data points and Ill do it lol

[vast meadow]

What's easiest way excel maybe?

I'm not done all points

[long geyser]

Also given 95% PL point, smth is up. Either 95%/100% data is wrong or boost behavior changes with custom PL

[vast meadow]

I guess boost cuz 98 and 95 where identical

Within margin of error

Like .01 off

[long geyser]

Change graph scale so it fits data more, do table so you can do equation.

Can add data to table out of order, wont cause issues in calculation. Just makes it harder to read data from table directly

[vast meadow]

I tried that but i guess it's the software not online

Cuz it didn't work

50%: 3.82w, 0.875ghz
60%: 4.33w, 0.968ghz
65%: 4.765w, 1.073ghz
70%: 5.37w, 1.173ghz
80%: 6.65w, 1.36ghz
90%: 8.09w, 1.571ghz
95%: 8.91w, 1.669ghz (nice)
100%: 15.8w, 2.263ghz

@long geyser ^

[dull flint]

it's still a line at 50

[vast meadow]

What you want 0%›

[dull flint]

80, maybe 85% looks like the best efficiency point

[long geyser]

Is percentage the PL percentage? 15.8 * 0.95 = 15.1, not 8.91.

[dull flint]

processor state limit

so windows power plan instead of PL

[vast meadow]

Yeah is doing some wacky stuff

[dull flint]

the curve really does start to drop

30% would probably complete the curve

[vast meadow]

Well i has laptop turned off now boutta dinner

I don't think anyone would be going that low anyway

[compact zenith]

I'm wondering if there is another driver program, other than CUE for the RGB Corsair ram modules. Not sure why, but when the system boots up, all other RGB drivers load in the settings, except for the ram sticks, which seem to have a default on.

[grizzled bloom]

OpenRGB should work

[compact zenith]

I just noticed the MSI card too. Seems some RGB driver settings load with the PC, but video card and ram stick don't, until you actually log fully into account. Totally forgot about OpenRGB. One thing for certain. It's better to go over the entire Manuel for the Z690, as things one knows by heart for the Z390 definitely don't apply. Hot swap was one of them. I like the fact you can set each SATA port separately. This way you can have all but one off, which doesn't effect boot up with all sata drives off, and can turn at least one on and have it read in

[gilded jewel]

anyone thoughts on asrock b550m steel legend vs msi b550m pro vdh wifi?

[vast meadow]

depends on price but id go with the pro vdh over it usually

and wifi is nice touch

[devout moth]

farawaythrower#4735 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[amber canopy]

arctic arctic arctic arctic

[royal elk]

ARCTIC

Love there fans

So cheap too

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-skeleton-skeleton-dies-gif-22412591

[royal elk]

Suffer

[vast meadow]

Yoooooo 13th gen todayyy

[dull flint]

you're a 13th gen

[vast meadow]

Uwu

[dull flint]

[hard leaf]

reviews are out?

want to see first row how raptor destroy amd

https://tenor.com/view/dahliabunni-popcorn-gif-22679950

[vast meadow]

I think in 15 mins

[dull flint]

3 minutes?

HAHA

Hahahahaha

HAHAHAHAHA

After all the AMD shilling on new Ryzen

[daring magnet]

Is it safe to upgrade to an 13th gen cpu this early ?

Like no issues with mobo bios or such

[dull flint]

yes, but do you think you need it

[hard leaf]

no perfect world exists

[daring magnet]

Probably, I think my current cpu is failing

[hard leaf]

issues will always be there, lurking around

[dull flint]

failing?

very hard to kill a cpu or damage it

unless you willingly play with settings not warranted safe

[hard leaf]

also there is no way to warrant a safe upgrade with a new product released some minutes ago 😛

wait some days at least

to ask that

or a month

[daring magnet]

Yes, I get crashes without any oc and several errors on occt and whocrashed tells me it’s cpu or memory related

[dull flint]

what's the bsod message saying?

[daring magnet]

I don’t see a message on the bsod? It says gathering info then it restarts

[hard leaf]

lol very hard to kill a cpu unless you hurt it physically

[dull flint]

you get an error code on the gathering info screen

[frosty depot]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asrock-has-intel-z790-motherboard-approved-by-sonic-the-hedgehog

[dull flint]

that looks like a Prime Z690 but actually cool

[hard leaf]

ikr

[cursive epoch]

asrock even has something that looks funky

their livemixer lineup of intel mobo

[dull flint]

for reference

[daring magnet]

I have this from whocrashed, however I failed to notice a code on bsod, I’ll make sure to look next time

[dull flint]

ah yeah clock watchdog is cpu core

what cpu is this?

[daring magnet]

I9-12900k

[dull flint]

and how hot does the cpu get under load? Wattage?

[daring magnet]

That’s actually one other thing I noticed

Core VID’s in bios are high

[dull flint]

high?

what is it auto'd to?

load VID shouldn't be higher than some 1.4V

but idle voltage can go higher

[daring magnet]

I say high in comparison to another youtuber vids when i was watching his oc video

[dull flint]

those numbers seem high but fine

still within reason

that's a pretty normal looking chip btw considering that sp score lol

you turned off any ai overclocking?

le oof

[devout moth]

Gruwen#6666 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[daring magnet]

oh oops

both on or off has same issues with same frequency so i decided to just leave ai overclock on

[vast meadow]

Tbf jay knows little to nothing

[dull flint]

turn it off then try adaptive voltage targeting 1.4V

if that doesn't work try static 1.4V

[vast meadow]

As long as your cpu is less than like 3-5 years old and you didn't do anything you should just be able to get a replacement assuming it's not actually your ram or something causing the crash

[dull flint]

if neither of those work, well

you might just have a dudley core

[daring magnet]

Will do, thanks

[dull flint]

and that one core is the cause of the bsod

so you'd have to test to figure out which one

note this will be hot testing

[daring magnet]

I actually thought it was ram at first, ran memtest and had erroes, replaced my sticks and have done several runs with memtest on and off with xmp enabled and disabled and all good

[dull flint]

if you aren't already near 95C then yeah

[daring magnet]

Occt told me core 2

[dull flint]

yeah Clock watchdog is CPU core boosting too high for itself

[vast meadow]

Could be motherboard? But hard to tell

[dull flint]

yeah could be mobo even tbh

[daring magnet]

I checked each channel one by one too :/

[dull flint]

cpus can behave differently in different mobos

[vast meadow]

Could still be motherboard

Although sounds like one of the 2 is screwed

[dull flint]

[vast meadow]

What we laughing at?

Looks like gpu bottleneck or something lol

[dull flint]

cpu bottleneck all the way down to nearly 12100F

[vast meadow]

You mean gpu?

Also eh I'd say down to 5600

[dull flint]

nearly 12100F

what's above it

5600X

also yes GPU I'm pepe le stoop

[grizzled bloom]

Shame on GN, don't they know they need to use a 4090 because everyone has that now?

Limiting the results to the pleb 3090 ti owners

For shame

Looks like the reports of the 13900k being cooler and using less power were a bit... exaggerated

[naive pendant]

was the i7 not sent out to reviewers or smn

unless my eyes are tripping ion see it being benched

[sudden creek]

I wanna see someone put the 13900K through the ring in Modded MC.

[sudden creek]

Pretty sure they only sent I5 and I9 this gen.

[naive pendant]

I see

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah so far it's just the 13900k and 13600k that are launching

The rest are TBD

[vast meadow]

oh?

no 13700k launch?

[grizzled bloom]

Not yet

Or if they are they didn't send samples to anyone

[vast meadow]

GN said they where still working on it

although its been common for i9 and i5's to come out same day then i7s to follow review wise

[hard leaf]

try to get the 13900k at least, the 4090 is out of reach from you at this point

[grizzled bloom]

I thought that was the 13600k they said that for, and they hoped to have it done by the end of today

[vast meadow]

oh maybe

it has been like 8 9 hours since i watched

[grizzled bloom]

Huh. Guess they just didn't want advance reviews on it for some reason?

I can't imagine why that would be

It has to be better than the 13600k with less power draw than the 13900k

[sudden creek]

?

[grizzled bloom]

No one should be getting the 13900k for gaming unless you just want to spend 50% more money for 10% higher fps (and only in cpu bound titles)

[upper aspen]

i play a stupid amount of risk of rain 2 so i will prob be grabbing a 13900k at one point lol

[grizzled bloom]

You'd better be prepared to put a custom loop on it then, even 360mm AIOs can't keep up with it

[upper aspen]

arctic II 420mm? I'm waiting till june to build so maybe new stuff will come out

[grizzled bloom]

That might cut it, but you might need to lap the die still

[amber canopy]

I just got mine yesterday

It's nice

[grizzled bloom]

Indeed

No more throttling for me

[upper aspen]

i'd imagine companies would make stuff for it

[amber canopy]

I'm using it for benching

I'm in the process of custom looping my daily

[upper aspen]

i dont need to OC it to 10ghz

[amber canopy]

And I got 10 p12's lol

[grizzled bloom]

See that's the problem, it's drawing 300W using the stock intel spec and even disabling Asus enhancements

[amber canopy]

The p12's were 35 bucks

[grizzled bloom]

The good news is you can power limit it and get nearly full performance

[upper aspen]

300! wow

thats like a low end gpu

[grizzled bloom]

So yeah if you left some boards on their defaults where they tweak power limits from factory... 🔥

[grizzled bloom]

No it's like a 3080 lol

[upper aspen]

3080 is 300 watts wow

yeah it is

therefore 3080 = 13900k QED

[grizzled bloom]

It just feels like more because of the transient loads

[upper aspen]

so some boards would give it more watts? is that the 22+1+2 phase power stuff

[grizzled bloom]

Yep

[upper aspen]

the first number is what matter most right? the other 2 are for other stuff on the board like ram?

[grizzled bloom]

That would translate to 22 CPU phases, and 1 or 2 memory/igpu depending on brand, they mix up the other numbers

DDR5 uses a lot less power so a single phase is really just fine

[amber canopy]

My latest x99 chip 🤓

[vast meadow]

Not enough

[amber canopy]

I have 5 p12

oops

i have 5 p12's and a p14 in my daily

[vast meadow]

Not enough

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/arnie-arnold-schwarzenegger-slowly-losing-it-funny-laugh-gif-14319132

[dull flint]

I got this, he hasn't had his daily arctic meds

[dull flint]

he ya go big boi here's a lot of arctic fans for ya
#build-pics message

look at em all spinning so slowly

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-nickelodeon-sigh-phew-gif-5752975

[amber canopy]

pretty sure i have more than that 😔

[dull flint]

sure? count again

[amber canopy]

oh does that pc have 16

I have more

[dull flint]

MOAR

[amber canopy]

if it's 18 i still have more

FIGHT ME

[dull flint]

NOT MEME ENOUGH

MOAR

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/big-time-rush-big-time-movie-logan-btr-logan-henderson-logan-mitchell-gif-22724082

[dull flint]

NO ONE'S EVER ASKED

BUT 22

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/every-day-every-day-i-wake-up-i-wake-up-marriage-story-marriage-story-wake-up-gif-19948669

[amber canopy]

the all-noctua PC bettar

[dull flint]

if I had one more rad, I COULD FIT MOAR

[amber canopy]

who needs arctic cooling when you have ln2 cooling

[dull flint]

who needs arctic when arctic got you

[grizzled bloom]

Ugly AF PC but we love it for that

[compact zenith]

That reminds me, need to find a better cooler for my I9. I haven't used my system yet where I need to worry of over heating. 16 fans, not including the CPU one in an air conditioned room, keeping it at safe levels. Which reminds me. Motherboard came with two thermostats and only two sets of pins for them, yet see the bios has 6 temperature readings, so gather it must have a few onboard ones as well. Got to download the updated Manuel, as one that comes with the boards seem to only list the two add on ones.

And a Water cooler is still not an option. I was considering getting one, but several times now, as planes take off, can hear the glass panels vibrating, and can see adding one is an accident waiting to happen.

[dull flint]

Well an air cooler simply won't work for a 12900KS

Unless you run it at like, 80W max and sacrifice maybe half the performance

Then you have a 12900H

[burnt spear]

I mean, ak620 would work for gaming

[dull flint]

The KS pulls like, 140W on average when gaming lol

Also he's using it for a server iirc

[compact zenith]

I also use an RTX 2060 for my gaming.

Funny how the old super computers, which in my opinion the I9 beats today, used Freon to keep cool.

Showed my kids Space Quest III, when they were 6, and was just shocked, hearing my son say "Dad, those graphics are crap!!'

Actually, that didn't bother me as much as finding out, both my kids were running a Minecraft YouTube channel when they were 5, behind my back. Discovered that like two years ago, when I went to mothball a few old raid drives, and found the copies. They confessed they would sneak into my room at 3am, borrow my phone to do the recordings, copy them to a hidden folder in their systems, then deleted the evidence of my phone.

I had my surround sound system on when I played it for my wife, and heared my son Fbomb, saying crap, kill me now!! Dad delete those!!! I was like ohh no!! I'm keeping these to blackmail you when your older!! Or embarrass you 🙂

They only stopped, because I got new phones that locked. They could have kept it going four years later, when I got them their own phones. Not sure why they didn't.

[burnt spear]

I watched all of the star wars movies again last year

How's it feel for me to say that the graphics in most of the movies suck

Especially in phantom menace

That whole movie was painful to get through

[compact zenith]

It's not you. I didn't care for it either, and I'm a fan since the Star wars came out in the 70s. Yes, I'm that old lol.

[burnt spear]

I'm just going to be ocing my Rev e on a z690

Or b660, depending

[compact zenith]

Problem with that, is that type of thinking would be true in late 80s. Now a days, those two could be switched. My wife is as heavily involved in computers and upgrades as I am. Heck, I have to upgrade her system as well as mine same time. She used to think HP was the best, those prebuilt systems. So when I built the ASUS p5w deluxe, ordered two of each and it only took a few minutes for her to pick up, mine was far better. Then I showed her I got a got a second set for her, and gutted her HP for the new equipment, including video card. Forgot what the MSI model was back then. After her first build, she never went back to HP. When I did the Z690 builds, she choose to stick with her Z390 Aorus Master, but it's only a matter of time. She sees me going right into Windows login upon power up. One thing though, she absolutely hates Windows 11. She has an Acer Nitro laptop, I upgraded with better ram and NVME drives, and luckily made plenty of images, because without asking, it updated her window 10, to 11, and not was she angry. Half her aps wouldn't run. Restored from image, then used an app called Easeuse to lock out windows updates, so it can't upgrade to 11 again.

Mostly what irked her, was the same thing that ticked me off. The upgrade removed all of our taskbar icons, and she hates having to use the new window.

[compact zenith]

For some reason, when I ran a test Starbound server last night, no one was able to connect. Despite having the port forwarded. Then I just realized, I never reprogrammed the router for the serial wi-fi Mac addresses. Their still set for the Z97 and Z390 mothetherboards.

[amber canopy]

bro it's a meme.

[midnight pollen]

lol

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-23999135

[devout moth]

Tatsu#1111 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[narrow timber]

Bruv

So can someone help me with putting my cooler back on i wanted to reapply thermal paste, the screws have springs and i cant get it back on im lowkey frustrated

[hollow thorn]

what cooler?

[narrow timber]

Man idek

[sudden creek]

Is z790 worth it?

[narrow timber]

Its a closed loop water cool tho

[hollow thorn]

If you really can't find what it is, well, consult the manual that it came with

[sudden creek]

Questioning if I should go with a Z790 Aorus Master at $500 or go with a Z690 Aorus Ultra or something similar at $350-400.

[grizzled bloom]

Z690 can do everything Z790 can for 99% of people, even the memory support is barely improved

[narrow timber]

Nuka Cola themed liquid cooler +z370 mobo combo

I read the mother board at the end

[sudden creek]

Thanks. I am a just save myself some money and go z690 then.

Mobo recommendations?

[grizzled bloom]

Something that's not assrock

[sudden creek]

Going 13900K with Aorus RTX 4090.

DDR5

[grizzled bloom]

Full ATX or EATX?

I guess that depends on your case

[hollow thorn]

Z690 aorus elite ax is kinda nice for 200$

[sudden creek]

Fractal Torrent.

[hollow thorn]

There's also tomahawk wifi

[sudden creek]

That is my case, should arrive in like a week.

[grizzled bloom]

EATX would work then, let me see what I can dig up

[sudden creek]

Thanks.

[grizzled bloom]

How's the VRMs on that? It's going to be with a 13900k

Oh and do you need wifi?

[sudden creek]

Preferably something with flash may it be RGB flash or cool metal flash like classified is fine. I only ask that there won't be any M.2 slots without covers.

WiFi is needed.

[hollow thorn]

Tomahawk wifi should be fine, iirc what bz said about the aorus elite was barely better VRMs from z690-a, which should do fine with stock 13900k

[sudden creek]

DDR5, and WiFi.

[grizzled bloom]

How's this one look to you then? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JJRYcf/gigabyte-z690-aorus-elite-ax-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z690-aorus-elite-ax

[sudden creek]

Is there a DDR5 6400 variant?

[hollow thorn]

I'm looking at it again, probably a better bet to go with tomahawk wifi

Can't find bz quote but
https://youtu.be/6g3yiA1YREc

Tomahawk wifi lists 6400

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144512

[sudden creek]

Hmmm.

What's the difference between the E and F variants from Asus Strix line?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah it's looking like the tomahawk has everything you need including the header for usb c front port

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nk8bt6/msi-mag-z690-tomahawk-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-mag-z690-tomahawk-wifi

[grizzled bloom]

The F has one more M.2 slot but one less PCIe slot

Everything else is aesthetics as far as I can tell

[sudden creek]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/g7Z9TW/msi-mpg-z690-carbon-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-mpg-z690-carbon-wifi

Is this good? Costs like $40 more then the tomahawk but from a aesthetics view I like it a lot more.

Also has an extra M.2 slot which I can make good use of as I only use M.2 storage for travel sakes.

[grizzled bloom]

It's not that it has an extra slot, it's able to have that slot be longer since it takes out the x1 slot

[sudden creek]

x1 slot?

If the Vrms and the such a on this board are good I think I will go with this one.

[grizzled bloom]

The short PCIe slot

VRMs are good

[sudden creek]

Also do you think a 420mm Arctic Freezer can handle the 13900K?

[grizzled bloom]

Define "handle"

[sudden creek]

Keep it cool with some headroom for OC.

[grizzled bloom]

Honestly I don't think any AIO can keep it under 100C during stress testing

It literally draws 300W stock

[sudden creek]

What about at stock?

[grizzled bloom]

I haven't seen enough info to know for sure but I did see Jay using a decent 360mm and it hit 100 really quick in cinebench and throttled

[sudden creek]

Got it.

By the way, who was it that had a 420mm aio and couldn't fit it into the torrent?

[grizzled bloom]

Me lol

[sudden creek]

Because I saw a guy fit the AIO inside the forrent.

[grizzled bloom]

It was that exact LFII 420mm that has issues

[sudden creek]

Arctic F2 was the one used in the vid.

[grizzled bloom]

Hmm, well when I tried it was too tall and hit the bottom of the case. It didn't sit straight.

[sudden creek]

Was it just a tiny angle or like no way to fit it angle?

[grizzled bloom]

It was a full 10 degrees off

[sudden creek]

Hmmm.

Any other AIO you know of that might fit better?

Oh wait.... I just remember in the vid the guy sawed off part of the bottom frame for the bottom fans to do a push/pull on the AIO.

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that's what I thought about doing but went with outside the case mount instead

[sudden creek]

Yeah I don't think I will be sawing a brand new case.

No way to force a slight bend to fit the AIO?

Cause, personally having 120mm fans next to 4 140mm fans might drive me a bit crazy.....

[grizzled bloom]

There was no bending possible no

Even how I have it mounted now it sits a good few mm below the bottom rail

If it weren't for the tubes it might have fit but I'm not bending the fittings to test it

[sudden creek]

Well damn.

Hmmm.

So it's 360mm AIO or do 420mm on the outside and sacrifice aesthetics.

Because I sure as heck am not sawing my new case that cost me $400.

[grizzled bloom]

If you can find a 420mm that has a slightly shorter radiator it would fit fine

This one has rather large parts on the sides

[sudden creek]

Any AIOs you recommend?

[grizzled bloom]

I'll look in a minute

[sudden creek]

I think I am gonna do my CPU upgrade before GPU.

[grizzled bloom]

Hard to find a 4090 right now anyway

[sudden creek]

Yep, that's my reason.

Buy a CPU and do that while the price is okay and buy the 4090 once I can find one at MSRP.

Specifically the Aorus Master.

[grizzled bloom]

H170i is a good 8mm shorter and I think that'll fit. As much as I hate recommending corsair products, it would work.

[sudden creek]

Alright.

Can I get your opinion on my combo?

[grizzled bloom]

The Carbon board, 13900k, 420mm aio, 4090, all in a torrent combo? Yeah that's top tier and no one can say otherwise

[sudden creek]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3BCHQ6

Annoying to know that I need to buy more P14s but oh well.

[grizzled bloom]

Wow those drives really went down in price

Top tier like I said

[sudden creek]

K, good to know.

Thanks for the help.

I am taking a flight in like less then a month so I think I will order the stuff then.

Oh one last thing.

Do you think the 1000w PSU I picked out will work well with the 4090?

[grizzled bloom]

It'll be fine yeah. Just make sure when you buy it that it has that new connector.

Alternative would be Thermaltake GF3

[amber minnow]

I curious if anyone has tried overclocking ecc ram?

The default settings before an os is installed just crashes a pc. So many buttons Asus had holes drilled backward in another motherboard for a noctua nhd15s chromax black kinda cool lookin. However linus has had a arctic 120L cooling a R9 5900x that processor has power saving feature built into it with the 12 cores unlike the 16 one

[compact zenith]

I swear, some of Neweggs channels are so active, finding out someone has replied can be hair pulling trying to find, if you catch it a few days later. At least Discords search works much better than it used to.

I'm getting notifications, not just discord, but mms text messages days later. T-Mobile forced an update, that broke all Nokia X100 phones in my county, and they have to be sent in to be fixed.

[vast meadow]

i just prefer @gritty coral for that reason

oops

[hard leaf]

hey! happy bday pato

[vast meadow]

thank you

[finite elm]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, NERD!!

[vast meadow]

Thanks

[compact zenith]

@hard leaf Was just looking at the 13th gen I9. Its the same price as the 12th gen I got last month. Seems the speed is the same, other than the 8 extra cores. I might of considered getting it when its back in stock, even with the $650 price tag, but thinking about it, I dont have any future projects that would need those extra cores. Unless there is something Im missing, looking at the two.

[hard leaf]

i see no point in swapping the 12900ks of yours for a 13900k

well, just to burn money

[compact zenith]

That's basically what it would be doing.

I have yet to test performance of what I already bought, because Amazon keeps sending me new show distractions.

[vast meadow]

Unless you're getting a 4090 there's no point you'll be fine even so you're probably fine unless you're playing like 1440p on a 4090 but like why

[narrow timber]

So how would i reapply a cpu cooler with springs

[upper rose]

any mini itx mobos for good deals atm?

[burnt spear]

For what cpu

[upper rose]

ryzen 3 3200g?

[burnt spear]

Cheapest b450 or b550 you can find

[upper rose]

my current cpu is going in that itx, while a friend is giving me his old ryzen 5

arent those huge

[burnt spear]

Oh also x470 or x570

[upper rose]

i wanted to make a compact case

[burnt spear]

No, there's different sizes for all of them

They all have mitx, itx, matx and atx sizes

[upper rose]

are there used mitx

[burnt spear]

What

[upper rose]

on ebay

like secondhand

[burnt spear]

Probably?

[upper rose]

they go down quickly at least

what would a parts only mobo be like

dang these are up there

[burnt spear]

It wouldn't work

Try hardwareswap or marketplace

[upper rose]

i found a a320

for 55 bucks on amazan

[grizzled bloom]

That might work depending on which model it is exactly

[upper rose]

gigabyte-ga-a320m-s2h

ddr4 ram

the $55 one on amazon

[burnt spear]

It worked OK for my friends 3400g

[upper rose]

nice

if it works for a higher one it’ll have backwards compatibility

[mellow cave]

I need some help. I came from amd and now have an Intel i9 13900k with a z690 motherboard. I tried using the usb stick to flash the bios but the led isn’t turning off.

[hollow knot]

Is ryzen 5600x good for gaming with gigabyte asorus b550 mobo

[cursive epoch]

ya

but get 5600

it's much cheaper, performs the same too

[amber canopy]

x99

[vast meadow]

What motherboard?

[mellow cave]

Intel Msi Z690

[frosty depot]

Will I need a bios update to run 11th gen on this mobo?
https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-Z490-GAMING-EDGE-WIFI/Specification

The site says bios updated for 11th gen, but idk.

[grizzled bloom]

It depends on where you buy it from. It's a pretty good chance if it was made after the launch of 11th gen that it's up to date enough.

[frosty depot]

Yeah, I'm not sure. It's brand new in box, but bought off hws

Also, @grizzled bloom are you good at determining good ebay sellers?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah I'm pretty adept at ebay

[frosty depot]

I posted in general chat, would you mind taking a look please?

[grizzled bloom]

Ask the seller what bios version it has. It's on the outside of the box if it's new. It needs to be at least v16 which released in february 2021.

[frosty depot]

Eh, I bought the 10105f so whether it's old or new, I'll be able to update it if needed.

[frosty depot]

I'm not able to see well since I'm on my phone, but this is the pic.

https://imgur.io/a/UmCYqTh

[grizzled bloom]

Can't see the part of the box it would be on. It's by the barcodes.

[vast meadow]

Which model exactly?

[mellow cave]

Finally got it but didn’t realize that the m.2 slot stand off was detached from the board on the one end. So after all that time to exchange it lol

[sudden creek]

Now that I've begun rendering videos again I truly do understand why people who do a lot of recording invest in a better CPU....

[hollow knot]

do a 65w cpu needs a powerful cooler?

[grizzled bloom]

Usually no

A 5600X is more than happy with a cheap tower cooler like a 214-XT if you don't want to use the stock one for example

[dull flint]

Yeah a cheap tower like, no more than 25 usd is plenty for a 65W chip

[hollow knot]

Will a rgb atx have fans installed?

[vast meadow]

Hmm?

[patent rampart]

Is 250 Canadian good for a used Ryzen 7 3700X? Going to be upgrading my server soon and I have the chance to get that one

182 USD for my American friends

[vast meadow]

Converted no, maybe it's okay for canada but you should be able to find a used 5700x/5800x for that imo

[burnt spear]

Yeah, or atleast used 5600x for less

[patent rampart]

Gotcha, it was local and not much comes up for this kind of tech around where I am, will keep my eyes out, thanks guys

[daring magnet]

https://youtu.be/fgLSuwAIdjk

this.. is not good, right?

several cores reach 100c, no overclock

[grizzled bloom]

12900k things, it does get that hot even under a 360mm AIO

[daring magnet]

word, however core 2 under an OCCT test fails, and all core VID's in bios are 1.4v, is all this normal and I'm just seeing it wrong?

[grizzled bloom]

VID is normal but you can try undervolting to control temps. Shouldn't lose much, if any, performance.

[compact zenith]

Just saw the article on the Aorus Master Z790. Either they messed up are does that motherboard only come with one NVME slot? It boasts 14 USB ports but only 1 NVME?

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gigabyte-z790-aorus-master-review

Would be nice if they made M2 extenders, then one could house the NVME elsewhere and take out more easily.

Oh wow, they do!

[tranquil wolf]

the board has more than 1 NVME, the Tom's Hardware even mentions it

[cursive epoch]

It's just hidden under the cosmetic cover

[hard leaf]

only one nvme pcie gen 5, but 4 more pcie gen 4... maybe lord xanthor didn't saw that part

not sure what lord xanthor was reading tho

[cursive epoch]

ye

[hard leaf]

imagine the shame on gigglebyte to release a z790 mobo with just one m2 socket

[cursive epoch]

sounds like itx

[hard leaf]

[main anchor]

Will a 5600x work on a b550 steel legend ?

[hard leaf]

should be

[cerulean wadi]

To be more specific, shouldn't even need a bios update like the 5600 nonx or 5800x3d usually does.

[zinc aspen]

hi people. I'm in need of troubleshooting help. Ok to ask here? newegg service isnt responding

[tranquil wolf]

i would say ask, if it's not permitted someone will say so and direct where to ask

[midnight pollen]

ask in whichever channel it may pertain. neweggservice mostly deals with customer service related to the website. the community here does most of the troubleshooting help

[zinc aspen]

i've been getting a response in the buildchat if you could pop in there

i can also summarize here, but i'm 99.9% sure now that it's a defective motherboard. The rgb backlights go on but it doesn't start. Jumpstarting the board didnt work either

[daring magnet]

Is there disadvantage to staying with z690 board upgrading to a 13th gen cpu? Or, specifically a feature that z790 boards offer for 13th gen that z690 does not?

[vast meadow]

Z790 only offers a few extra pcie lanes

With z690 or b660/h670 tho you need a 12th gen cpu or need to get a motherboard with bios flashback ie can update bios with no cpu

[daring magnet]

Wouldn’t that be a benefit for gpu or m.2 tho?

[vast meadow]

Nope you might be able to have an extra m.2 slot or something but nothing you couldn't do with a pcie to m.2 adaptor or something, most motherboards use less than chipset max anyway

[daring magnet]

and yes i have the update on a stick already, (and my current 12th gen) asus is is pretty ez to update bios

[daring magnet]

Ok cool, so nothing worth it to buy a new mobo then

[vast meadow]

Nope especially if you had a 12th gen cpu

If you have a compatible mobo there's almost never a reason to buy a new one

[daring magnet]

i was asking in case there would be compatibility issues or something

With this being the only time (since ive gotten into building pc’s) that intel has been backwards compatible with an older gen

[burnt spear]

they always have been, normally two gens at a time fit the same socket

well not always

[compact zenith]

Can someone help me with a bot check for Gigabytes website? Trying to register, and it throws a question at you to verify your not a bot, but obviously what they are looking for as an answer, isn't what I tried. The question is What (Core) products does gigabyte manufacture? I typed Aorus and Aorus Master, both wrong, and am a bit stumped. No option to get it to change question.

[burnt spear]

gpus, mobos, psus

[compact zenith]

Doesn't seem to accept that either. It's so annoying. Seems others asked going as far back as 2016, but the answer back then doesn't work lol

[grizzled bloom]

And slightly faster memory compatibility but that doesn't matter for most people. I've seen 7000 validated on a lot of boards.

[hollow knot]

do nvme pci 4 on motherboards need heatsink

[grizzled bloom]

Define "need"
Most of the time no, but it can be useful during very large transfers

[hollow knot]

so like moving blueray movies

[grizzled bloom]

More like 100gb+

So maybe raw uncompressed blu rays (plural)

And only if you're copying them from a device that can keep up with its write speed

[compact zenith]

That bot check is still tripping me up. Gigabytes registration keeps asking "Which (core) products does Gigabyte manufacture?" I have entered Intel, Mothetherboards, motherboard, power supply, PSU, computers, and all of them fail. Anyone else manage to have the correct answer?

[grizzled bloom]

That's a stupid question, why do we need to know all the details of your business

[compact zenith]

That directed to me or Gigabyte? I'm asking here because I figured someone else had to have registered with them and got past that stupid check 😂

[grizzled bloom]

Gigabyte

That's such a ridiculous question. How is someone that knows nothing about PCs and wants to register their mobo warranty supposed to do so?

[compact zenith]

You know, this same question has been an unsolved issue since 2016.

[grizzled bloom]

Welp guess I'm not buying gigabyte any more

Like I was going to anyway after the 3090 xtreme waterforce fiasco (+bonus p-gm)

[compact zenith]

All the big companies have issues. Remember, I bought ASUS for over 20 years, before I switched to Gigabyte motherboards. It's funny, because their Nexus tablets were what irked me to begin with, but the nail in the coffin that had me try out and then buy the gigabyte brand, which for me was the Z390s, was waiting for a fix on one of ASUS new motherboards in 2020, and their email to me was "It's a known issue, that's fixed in the next revision" which was telling me, they aren't fixing the issue, I need to buy the next model up. That was final nail in coffin, and Amazon refunded me for two mothetherboards when I sent them a copy of that email, five months after original purchase. First time I ever seen them make an exception on their 30 day policy.

Funny, that just reminded me. Four years ago, asked a similar question on Terrarias discord, forgot what for. All I know is the mod I asked who said no, went to delete my message same time I did and it crashed us both

[grizzled bloom]

@compact zenith What you can do is ask a trivia question in the appropriate channel with no implication of a prize and DM from there.

[compact zenith]

Going to try on my PC. Possibly the answers are right, but it's the phone browser messing it up

[compact zenith]

lol, I looked up the source, to see if I could pull the info from their server, and looks like the code for the second check is missing. I only see it for the banner and entry field, but no check. Someone messed up.

[compact zenith]

Know what? I think the website I been trying to join a possible fake? I been trying to register to this gigabyte forums, yet when I look on the main website, it has no information what so ever on that forum site I'm trying to register to.

[compact zenith]

It's a UK forums, but checking the posts dates, only see up to 2011. Think maybe it's a dead site?

[grizzled bloom]

DM me a link to it

[compact zenith]

One sec, got to look in history.

Didn't see your reply, was trying to get one of my admins to fix a problem. I gave ownership of one of my discord servers over, and to prove a point, showed them you cant accidentally ban yourself, which um.... I somehow did.

[grizzled bloom]

Oof

[compact zenith]

It's fixed. Somehow I have a second discord Lord-Xanthor name. Not sure how it happened, or what triggers it. Maybe similar to IRC. Anyways, that's fixed lol.

.

[compact zenith]

As for trying that website, I was looking to see if anyone else had the same problem where the computer becomes hidden on the network, when SATA drives are turned on. File share works, long as you know to type my computer name in, so all can be accessed via any PC at home. The computer just can't be seen. If I boot off the old drive from my Z390, that has Windows 11 upgraded from 10, then the computer shows up. I'm thinking app center added something that's causing this only issue I'm having.

[hollow knot]

i know this sounds like a stupid question which ram should i use with 6800 xt ddr4 or ddr5 i want to get 32 gigs

[dull flint]

ddr4 or ddr5 doesn't matter

use whatever is cheapest imo

[frosty depot]

Depends on budget mainly.. DDR5 is going to cost more (for the RAM and a Mobo that supports DDR5 as well). DDR4 is gonna be cheaper

[hollow knot]

but difference in speed will be a lot or minmium

[dull flint]

usually not enough to justify the difference unless you're at the very high end

[frosty depot]

Tbh, the performance is there, but for the $$?? Imo, not worth it quite yet.

[frosty depot]

Stop saying what I'm saying just in different words!

[hollow knot]

im getting b550 mobo i believe it can support ddr4 and ddr5

[dull flint]

Stop repeating what I'm saying then

[frosty depot]

No board can support both ddr4 and ddr5

[dull flint]

It can only support ddr4

B550 is exclusively ddr4

[hollow knot]

oh

thats will make it cheaper

[dull flint]

ye

[frosty depot]

Unless you grab some insanely priced high end 64gb kit :D

Are you just gaming?

[hollow knot]

im on a 1400 usd build budget and yes for gaming.

[burnt spear]

Not a single b550 supports ddr5

[dull flint]

32gb max then

[hollow knot]

nobody uses more than 32 for just gaming right

[frosty depot]

I see. Thats not much wiggle room to get high end ddr4, which isn't needed to much since you are just gaming. Imo, just grab ya the cheapest set of ddr4 3200 or 3600 you can.

[dull flint]

some people do...we don't talk about those people...

[frosty depot]

Cheapest but good quality*

[frosty depot]

The people this guy is referring to is himself.

[dull flint]

32 should be the most you consider for pure gaming and additionally the most for a 1400 budget

[frosty depot]

[hollow knot]

288 pin g. skill ripjaws 2x16 ddr4 3200?

[frosty depot]

Good choice.

[hollow knot]

thx

[dull flint]

good selection

[hollow knot]

Do i need to do a bios update on b550 mobo for 5600 cpu?

[cerulean wadi]

Possibly, as it's a bit newer than 5600X & mobos often have a bios that's not super recent.

[hollow knot]

should i get 5600 and 6900xt or 5700x and 6800xt?

[grizzled bloom]

5600 and 6900XT if you're doing 1440p or higher

[hollow knot]

why not with the 8 core 5700x

and isnt the 6800xt and 6900xt isnt much difference maybe like 10 to 20 percent faster

im doing 4k gaming

[grizzled bloom]

Definitely 6900XT then

[grizzled bloom]

You don't need the extra cores unless you're doing production stuff like video editing. 12 threads on the 5600 is more than enough for gamers.

[hollow knot]

didnt know that

@grizzled bloom how this sounds 5600, 6900xt, 32 gig ram, 2tb nvme, 850w psu, 1 tb ssd, 1 tb hdd and 214xt cooler

[grizzled bloom]

Should be good if the models are good

[hollow knot]

ssd and hdd is reformatted from current pc

[grizzled bloom]

I reuse my old drives too, great way to add free storage to a build

[hollow knot]

getting the gf1 850

[hollow knot]

which b550 support wifi?

[grizzled bloom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#xcx=0&c=145&V=9000,8000,6000

[umbral finch]

is there arm based desktop cpus

will a 4090 work if i plug it into one

[grizzled bloom]

Apple M1, and a new MS developer desktop with actually decent specs is coming soon.
No, a 4090 won't work because they don't have PCIe lanes.

[vast meadow]

and apple m2 :)

[hollow knot]

Should i wait on buying 5600 with daily deal tomorrow or buy it?

With amd 7000 gpus unveiled on november 3rd

[cursive epoch]

Yeah, why not?

5600 is still pretty good

[hollow knot]

Im getting it sometime next month. Why thinking of upgrading to run 40 series?

[cursive epoch]

if you plan to run something like 4080 and above

5600 can be a problem, ish

but even then just run at 1440p and above

[hollow knot]

Hell no its outside my price range

5600 need a upgrade to problably either 5800x3d or 5950x

[cursive epoch]

yeah then you won't have an issue with 5600

[hollow knot]

Or the new 7000 cpus

[cursive epoch]

7000 cpus aren't worth it at all

you have to buy new cpu, mobo (expensive), and new ddr5

[hollow knot]

But either option is outside my budget at the moment. My build will have 5600 and 6900xt i cant afford 40 series too expensive

[cursive epoch]

yeah that's plenty

[hollow knot]

It will last me a good 5 plus years

Though in 2020 my build would have cost at least 4000 or more lol

[vast meadow]

@hollow knot what's your budget?

And if not waiting til next month... Wait til next month as 4080 will be out

[hard leaf]

dunno pato

looks like the 4080 will be at 1900+ usd cause bots

those damn buggers are pretty fast

[hollow knot]

1300 to 1500 usd

I really cant afford to sink more than 700 into a gpu

[vast meadow]

Well since you aren't buying til next month any list this month will change but I'd do something with the 13600k and idk what gpu yet

Rx 7000 gpus will be coming in the next week too

[hard leaf]

announcement

[vast meadow]

Yeah but will probs push prices down

[hard leaf]

launch date is supposed to be december first week

[hard leaf]

hopefully

cause amd said nothing about price cuts on 6000 gen

maybe retailers will cut prices to empty stock

funny how my expected build was supposed to happen in august, then sep, october and now probably december

[vast meadow]

Even still 4080 should push prices down

[hollow knot]

What is cas latency

[vast meadow]

It's just the first timing of ram, ram has a lot of timings

[hollow knot]

So it dont matter a whole lot?

[hollow thorn]

They all matter in their own ways

CAS latency is just the number out front that can be representative of overall performance through all the other timings

Although sometimes cl16 means 16-16-16-36, and sometimes it means 16-20-20-42, so there's always more to it

[vast meadow]

Uh technically no but when looking for xmp kits usually it does matter

[compact zenith]

This mothetherboard is just chock full of surprises!! It has a utility that found a immense hidden folder, on one hard drive I repaired the PCB, seems Windows in 2018, nabbed the entire drive in a files history back up. Not sure as of yet, how I'm going to get Windows 11 to restore it, but also found my work for 4 games I gave up on their mods, because back in 2018, was the huge ghost file data loss that lost me six months work, and just found all my projects. Had no clue I had this drive in file history. It's like 2tb in info. Hope the data's in tact.

[zealous storm]

I remember someone helped me with this but after a windows update it started doing it again

Idk if I can just do this for temp fixes or if theres a more permanent way of doing it

It fixes itself when I restart files explorer but sometimes I cant do that mid game as my frames drop to 10

[compact zenith]

By any chance, is this happening on a game that writes save data almost constantly? When you say it happened after a Windows update, what's happened to me that caused games to bog down and not save properly, was the save location after update getting changed to read only. You might want to locate the save location, do a properties check, if marked read only, uncheck it. If it's unchecked, check it read only, apply, then uncheck it, hit apply, and see if this fixes it.

[cursive epoch]

it's just windows being jank

run an sfc scan or do a reinstall of windows

[compact zenith]

Windows 10 build 1903 was notorious for turning document and adata folders to read only, after updating. Funny you have this issue after I just found all my lost data from 2018.

Bit of advice, check your save folders to make sure files really exist. When folders get changed to read only, you don't get an error when saving. The program will actually show you your saved work in the menu, but check the folder and you'll only see an index file, no data. Just a heads up.

If you use multiple hard Drives, where you format only the OS drive, but save to other drives, doing a format won't fix the issue. You will need to go to those folders, and doing a properties check, reassign the folder owner to yourself under the security tab. Otherwise the fps issue, if it is the read only problem, will just carry over.

.
I'm starting to like Windows 11. Some of the issues I had with 10 didn't carry over to 11. Sadly, you still can't put a batch file short cut on the task bar. Been wanting to do that for years, to load up game servers I don't normally run 24/7

[hollow knot]

will windows 11 work with amd cpus?

[compact zenith]

Yes. Has there been a past problem with AMD not running windows?

[hollow knot]

im still on the fence with win 11 to install or not to install

[compact zenith]

I know back in early 1990s, AMD systems were as selective as running games like the Tandy, but they vastly improved since then. I used to despise them, but only recently, almost went with AMD back in August when I built 3 new systems, soon to be 4

I don't know what windows 10 license you have, but from what I have seen, most who went to 11 that didn't like it, was able to revert back to 10 and still use that license. Always make image backups before trying though. I never trust Microsofts revert features.

My next door neighbor likes to try copying what I do with my builds, but doesn't spend the needed money. He somehow forced his PC that wasn't compatible for 11, to upgrade, without doing a simple image backup. When the OS kept blue screening, he tried to revert back to 10, but OS refused to do so. I'm guessing the revert uses the same upgrade programs to revert? Anyways, he had to shell out $75 for a thumb drive, made specifically for his computer.

[cursive epoch]

Not on ryzen, they have performance issues with windows 11

It's yet to be fixed, so it's best to run 10 for now

[compact zenith]

I use two programs for backing up, fixing, restoring. Both have free versions too. Macrium Reflect for backups and restoring. Made it simple to merge partitions onto one hard drive. The other program I use is mini tool partition wizard.

Minitool can refit the partition to fit on a drive if it's too big, that is if there is space to shrink.

The AMD CPU I was considering at the time, was a threadeipper. The only reason I didn't get it, was I couldn't find a motherboard that wowed me enough.

[hollow knot]

which ddr4 3600mhz with the 5600 cpu?

will g. skill ripjaw that goes on the daily deal on newegg any good?

[compact zenith]

I never even looked at the ram. I saw the 32 core threadeipper, and immediately checked out the Motherboards that support it on Newegg. At the time, I hadn't even considered weeding out my 14 Sata drives and sticking with NVME only. I wanted a motherboard that had 6+ SATA slots, RGB, and forgot the other options. Never got to the ram section. Didn't like what I was seeing and went with an I9 with Aorus Master instead.

Something I would like to know, the motherboard I have, which is the Z690 Aorus Master, that uses DDR5 memory. Is it also able to use ddr4?

[hollow knot]

only ddr5

[dull flint]

cheapest you can find is fine really

[cursive epoch]

you can also get team group ones

they're cheapest 3600 atm

[compact zenith]

What would happen with a AORUS Master, if you mixed 2x32 with 2x16?

[cursive epoch]

why would you want to do that at the first place?

[dull flint]

well you would likely get 96gb, but at some pretty terrible speeds

likely sub jedec even

so 4000MHz DDR5?

[compact zenith]

My son is having issues with the 32gb, so need to get him 64gb, and not the T-Force as it's had past problems.

[finite elm]

what the heck is your son doing

[compact zenith]

World of warships takes more than half the ram, and my daughter is livid as her system blue screened with a reboot into a C4 error. Think I'll just send them back and buy the same Corsair Dominator DDR5 64gb I bought myself with the 2tb fury nvme.

[cursive epoch]

that's not ram amount issue

[compact zenith]

The C4 different issue

[dull flint]

more than half the ram is normal not an issue

also, z690 gigabyte, you won't get a good speed out of it most likely

[cursive epoch]

i just quickly googled

it's something to do with drivers or software being incompatible

the code seems to come from running windows 7 on modern software

[compact zenith]

I'm more concerned about the C4 posting issue. That happened with me with the T-Force ram and ended up sending it back and getting the Corsair which has no issues. The C-4 error is nothing to do with windows 7. We're using windows 11 fresh format, and the T-Force ram has a history of going bad.

[dull flint]

all ram has a history of going bad

[compact zenith]

Not within 3 weeks.

[dull flint]

t force has nothing to really do with it, you get 1 of three suppliers, samsung, hynix or micron in every ddr5 kit

[dull flint]

yes actually. I own more ddr5 kits than you do

it happens

[compact zenith]

Three brand new systems, and two C-4? First one not even an hour out of the box. Second a few weeks, and the reviews pointing to issues as well. None of these systems are even overclocked.

[cursive epoch]

oh post error

well, things happens

especially more common with certain combinations of hardware

[dull flint]

I'm wondering what the xmp speed of these 32gb kits are

[compact zenith]

I'd rather send them back, $512, and spend $1100 for ones that I see have no problems.

[dull flint]

after all, this is gigabyte z690 ddr5, which is known for memory instability

if these are north of like, 5600 and a reasonable CAS I think you'd get stability back either through bios updates or downclocking the ram

[cursive epoch]

it's probably mobo issue

[compact zenith]

Least my daughter's system recovered from her c-4. Mine didn't.

The motherboards are fine actually.

[frosty depot]

@dull flint and you tell me my system is cursed. This guy has more issues with his PC than anyone I know in this server LOL

[compact zenith]

Na, my system is going quite well. Knock on wood lol.

[dull flint]

well I did warn against this combo before it was bought

[frosty depot]

your posts in here daily say otherwise 100%

[dull flint]

I did say DDR4 over DDR5 with which gigabyte is way better

[frosty depot]

and it was still bought?

[dull flint]

yes

[frosty depot]

sheesh.

[compact zenith]

Nope. Look up, most I talked about past two weeks is networking, not hardware issues.

[dull flint]

and yet we are here discussing possible ram issues?

Again, what is the xmp of these 32gb kits

[compact zenith]

Daughter's system, not mine :p

[dull flint]

please answer

[compact zenith]

Xmp?

[frosty depot]

rated speed on the package.

[compact zenith]

One sec

DDR5 5600 (PC5 44800)
Timing 36-36-36-76
CAS Latency 36
Voltage 1.20V

[dull flint]

change dram voltage in bios to 1.3V

just that and that alone

and update the bios to the latest version if you haven't already

[compact zenith]

Bios was updated on all 3 mothetherboards when I assembled them.

[dull flint]

again

like, right now

they update them constantly

lol

if it's not on latest then update to latest

[compact zenith]

I'll check in a few hours. Kids are on them at the moment

[dull flint]

if you still run into issues change the frequency to DDR5-5200 and timings 40-40-40-77

this will be jedec, if you run into issues after this, then it can be a bad stick or bad board slot

/bad board bios

[compact zenith]

The boards fine. I already swapped ram between systems earlier, when the problem happened. C-4 carried over to the other system. What gets me, is why it stopped after about an hour.

[dull flint]

well I wasn't aware of the test in another board, maybe ram? you could test it with memtestpro

you'd probably know after a couple hours

[frosty depot]

sh

[dull flint]

just gaming or regular tasks won't prove anything tho, you'd need to stress ram

if the ram passes the test then it won't be the sticks

it'll be something else

maybe just poor bios compatibility with that IC inside the stick

but it still wouldn't be the sticks at that point

[compact zenith]

Something else to keep me up tonight lol. I found 2tb of file history backups, and glad I copied the folder, because moment I added it, a setting it read in, started purging older folders, so will test the ram tonight as well.

[dull flint]

ok

[compact zenith]

I love this z690, despite the few small issues, all resolved, it's far better than my older Z390. The snail paced copying off the SATA drives, onto NVME, that's going to take a lot of time. I have hard drives as old as 15 and 20 years old, that kept the data all this time when I put them in storage. Wonder what the life expectancy is, of an NVME should I store them like a normal hard drive.

[frosty depot]

I believe recent studies show that NVME is rated for as long life as HDD

I can't remember where the source is though.

[compact zenith]

The only NVME I don't trust, is the 500gb one that I removed from my wife's laptop, that has a cr2032 battery, I think. Can't tell as it's soldered on the stick.

[cerulean wadi]

I've just read/heard this isn't totally the case if left unpowered for 2+ years or however long. Of course I only have a couple ssds in my main pc so ez to keep them powered to be safe & the 5-10yr old 1TB are for important/nostalgia stuff.

[zealous storm]

Sometimes doesnt happen at all sometimes it happens in any game I play. Sometimes Im not even playing a game just on YT and it does it. But I will check this and hope it helps out

[zealous storm]

Yeah I ran one before and it helped for a few days but then it did it again

[compact zenith]

Daughter's ram is definitely bad. Ran stress test and it just locks up the entire PC 1/3 way through the test. Doesn't even give it a chance to report the error

Made the stupid mistake of thinking if I plugged the bad ones in my empty sockets, could run the test using my good ram, which not only locked my PC up as well, seriously messed up some server configurations I got to fix later

At least I have a work around for my phones T-Mobile fried. Fact I'm on now, shows it works. Knock on wood.

[frosty depot]

how did that mess up your server config?

[grizzled bloom]

Memory issues can corrupt anything that's running

Including the OS

[naive pendant]

Was working before the house got flooded. Nothing got wet. Now it won't post. CPU debug led is always on

[naive pendant]

guys should i pay 30 euros more to get cycle latency 18 instead of 16 or does it not make much of a difference?

[burnt spear]

depends on main speed

[dull flint]

doesn't make much of a difference when buying by the rated speed on a kit

since a mobo will auto 90% of the rest of the timings

I wouldn't do it personally for 30 euros

[burnt spear]

if its like, 2666c16 vs 3600c18, def the 3600c18

[dull flint]

yeah

but if it's more like

3600 c18 vs 3600 c16 (which I'd wager this is the actual freq. here) then no, definitely not for 30 euros