tl;dr?
#graphics-cards
timid narwhal
quartz gull
Alright so general gist
This is why down sampling is much better quality than native
But that's 4x the pixels so it super expensive
Well is there a way you know of to get a really close 4K image from a 1080p rendering?
DLSS
So what Nvidia is doing is taking 1080P, using DLSS to construct a higher resolution image
Then down scaling that image back to 1080p for near 4x down scaling quality!
It's such a big brain implementation of DLSS
timid narwhal
This is why down sampling is much better quality than native
you need to teach, cos this really is a very clear explanation!
quartz gull
Thank you
timid narwhal
My only quesiton: doesnt DLSS need implimentation by the devloper?
timid narwhal
so DLDSR has its own DLSS implementation on the driver?
quartz gull
This works for all games as long as the tensor cores are not being used
So if using DLSS to upscale already it won't work
ivory herald
Hmm, is it like 1440P framerate w/ 4K image quality or something like that?
quartz gull
That's what dlss does
Contracts a higher image from a lower pixel count image
But they're using DLSS in reverse
ivory herald
ah but dlss is only on specific games so this new driver side deal, gotcha
quartz gull
1080P to a higher resolution (like 4k) then downscaling it to 1080p
And it's driver side so it's just an all game free picture quality increase
It may actually boost your performance since you can turn off all anti aliasing in game
ivory herald
This'll be really neat to get a 1080P monitor instead of bothering w/ an actual 1440P or 4K monitor.
quartz gull
It won't be near as good as just flat out having a higher resolution
But this is the kind of feature that we needed to justify rtx price tag
ivory herald
It may actually boost your performance since you can turn off all anti aliasing ...
yep, I usually max out AA/AF in most games that I can, lol.
quartz gull
Now imagine that for free
Since it doesn't work if the tensor cores are busy with things like DLSS
ivory herald
Heck I'd do both in certain really old games because they sometimes can get crazy high FPS already 
quartz gull
Does that mean it won't work or will cause slow down if you have other tensor core features on like rtx voice?
ivory herald
Does that mean it won't work or will cause slow down if you have other tensor co...
possible, or just the performance won't be as high as if the tensor cores aren't "multitasking" like that. Idk. we'll see.
quartz gull
DLDSR is going to be huge
ivory herald
oh wait I guess it requires at least 20 series huh.
ivory herald
well eventually I'll switch over to a 2080 or something, haha.
quartz gull
Am curious though, if they found out how to do this driver side, what is stopping them from doing DLSS driver side? Maybe won't look good?
Down scaling doesn't need as good of a base image so maybe that could be why
quartz gull
Do publishers actually pay to use DLSS?
rough pasture
What is the best grahics card for 450?
heady turtle
Technically a rtx 3060 ti
But realistically gtx 1080 ti/rtx 3060/3060 ti/rx 6600xt/6700xt
rough pasture
Were did you find them
heady turtle
1080 ti would be ebay/Facebook marketplace or r/hardwareswap
The others, check the guide in the pins
lone pond
Nvidia is gross
Yesterday, Asus tuf 3080ti was 1600 on Newegg shuffle
Today, the 12gb 3080s are 1600 and the same Asus tuf 3080ti is 1900 on the shuffle
vital oriole
it's not nvidia's fault lel
lone pond
Lmao whose fault is it
vital oriole
gpus are hard to get at msrp these days
green harness
Lmao whose fault is it
Asus is as much at fault (if not more) than nvidia
lone pond
When they were making the cards originally, gddr6x cost them less than gddr6 did
They chose to only give it 10gb, and I'd be willing to wager they knew they'd do this refresh back then and that's why they only gave it 10gb
That's why they didn't announce an msrp for it
It's a cashgrab
It's "charge what you think the market will pay"
Never mind that 3080fe was supposed to be 700 at retail
If they were putting 12gb of the more costly gddr6 in the 3060 at launch then they could have put 12gb of the cheaper gddr6x in the 3080 at launch
They chose not to because they wanted this market segmentation to drive up prices on the higher end cards
vital oriole
amd does this too ya know
lone pond
No, I know
But I've never had it be so blatantly obvious to me without looking into it at all
Like I check the shuffle every day, and I noticed immediately that the 3080ti went up 300 dollars in response to the 12gb 3080 launch
heady turtle
Asus is as much at fault (if not more) than nvidia
Yeah, nvidia didn't release msrp for it
vital oriole
im sad of 6500xt
Asus literally said official msrp they're selling for is 300 euros
heady turtle
Ew
lone pond
I see what you're saying, but I don't blame Asus for the situation I was talking about
Because it isn't like it's just Asus doing it, the release is reflected in all the prices of the high end cards on the shuffle
The 6500xt thing is gross though
I can't imagine how sad I'd be if I needed a GPU bad enough to buy one of those things
lone pond
It's basically an rx 570 
With triple the clock speed 
On a pcie X4 connector
inner jetty
It's basically an rx 570 <:ssadge:827702421279080468>
With triple the clock spe...
Beats my Intel Integrated Graphics machines.
Or does it?
The new one I am working on has the UHD 770, but the one I am using is the UHD 630
heady turtle
It's basically an rx 570 <:ssadge:827702421279080468>
With triple the clock spe...
My problem is it's 4x4 and pcie 4 isn't really around
vital oriole
The new one I am working on has the UHD 770, but the one I am using is the UHD 6...
it definitely does
but god is the price stupid
300 euros, you can get a 5600g
lone pond
Right, so anybody on a 3.0 board has pcie 3.0 X4 which is
Poopp
vital oriole
or for less than 300 euros even
and rdna 2 igpu is looking good
has like 1650 perf
according to geekbench that is
6500xt is not gonna have a point to exist
inner jetty
pcie 16 is the standard now, correct?
vital oriole
once next apus comes
well, the 6500xt has only 4 pcie lanes
any mobos these days has x16 slots
but if you're running 3.0 on 6500xt
rip perf
i wish they woulda used at least 8 lanes
like 6600xt
lone pond
The 6500xt desktop release is basically amd saying "stop complaining, here's some cards you can buy"
That's why it's a card "for gamers"
Not because it's good, but because it'll be what's available, because miners don't want it and scalpers can't turn a profit on it
At least that's the intention, I think
lone pond
They want to see if even this release that nobody even wants gets sucked into the whirlwind that the gpu market has become, and whether it drives up prices for current products even further
green harness
Like I check the shuffle every day, and I noticed immediately that the 3080ti we...
I mean it depends on the exact model of 80Ti. I haven't noticed any increase in the cost of EVGA 80Tis and I wouldn't be surprised if you're just looking at models from different AIBs
lone pond
The only price I remember specifically was for the Asus tuf 3080ti, because it's almost always the cheapest 3080ti
But I noticed that the other 3080tis seem more expensive too, and the 3090s are also up 2-400usd.
This is all just from the Newegg shuffle though
green harness
The only price I remember specifically was for the Asus tuf 3080ti, because it's...
Wow. The Asus TUF is not a "cheap" 80Ti. All Asus cards other than the dual are among the more expensive cards
So you're just not terribly familiar with the market imo
lone pond
Yeah, there's more than one card that usually coats less than the others
How's that make me wrong
I am talking specifically about Newegg shuffle pricing
What is hard to understand about that
green harness
Hasn't it been near there for a while?
green harness
*I am talking specifically about Newegg shuffle pricing*
EVGA and Gigabyte (on select models) have consistently had the most affordable pricing in the Newegg shuffle
I've entered the shuffle a lot and have often avoided Asus cards because they're bad value
Unless it's like an Aorus Master, those things are pricey
Similar to Strixtax
lone pond
There is literally only one 3080ti on the Newegg shuffle today so I don't know where you're getting that from
Asus tuf 3080ti was 1600 on the shuffle yesterday
Standalone
Today, it's 1900
The 3090 on the shuffle is more expensive than it was yesterday also
Yesterday there were no 12gb 3080s in the shuffle
green harness
There is literally only one 3080ti on the Newegg shuffle today so I don't know w...
Experience
green harness
Today, it's 1900
The 3090 on the shuffle is more expensive than it was yesterday...
Pretty sure you're not making like for like comparisons
lone pond
Experience means nothing when a new release raises prices
green harness
It hasn't really changed prices from what I've seen
The main difference is that the 3080-12gb is basically the same as a 3080-10gb but they're charging much more for it
lone pond
Cool.
Top end on the shuffle went up in price
Pay closer attention, I guess
green harness
So now fewer people can get 3080+ performance at old 3080 prices
lone pond
I don't really get why you're explaining the thing im already talking about to me
green harness
Today, it's 1900
The 3090 on the shuffle is more expensive than it was yesterday...
There were a couple 3080-12s yesterday from what I remember. EVGA and TUF iirc
green harness
I don't really get why you're explaining the thing im already talking about to m...
We're explaining it because you don't seem to understand it 🤷♂️
lone pond
The only 12gb 3080s on the shuffle yesterday were ti
I looked at the shuffle yesterday specifically looking for 12gb 3080s cause I was curious about pricing, since there was no msrp released
Idk if the shuffle is the same everywhere, I'm assuming it is though. But yeah, I'm 99% sure there were no 12gb 3080s on the shuffle yesterday
I was at work when I checked though so I could be wrong about that
green harness
The only 12gb 3080s on the shuffle yesterday were ti
I looked at the shuffle yes...
Wrong. I saw someone post a W from the shuffle for an EVGA 12gb 3080
I entered for that card as well
lone pond
Ohhhhh, maybe I just looked at the ones that weren't bundled yesterday, my bad
Still, same card went up 300 dollars from yesterday
green harness
green harness
Ohhhhh, maybe I just looked at the ones that weren't bundled yesterday, my bad
...
I mean based on this conversation and what I remember about pricing....I doubt it
Rommy, any cards go up in price that much?
Yeah, Newegg does seem to have prices a bit above AIB MSRP at times, but typically for EVGA it's like $20 on a near $1,000 card
Bare minimum for a 3080-12gb is 1249 it seems as Gigabyte and EVGA both have models at that price point
Which makes my 3080 Ti XC3 look like even better value 😆
(it was never good value though)
lone pond
Lmao so what do you think Nvidias reason is for launching a 12gb 3080 now
green harness
Lmao so what do you think Nvidias reason is for launching a 12gb 3080 *now*
They want to charge more for a 3080 and 2gb of vram might trick some people
At least for my 80Ti I can say I basically have a 3090
lone pond
So even knowing that
And watching every other high-revenue market in the world be manipulated
You think that's not what's happening here?
green harness
Although I guess the same is true of the 80-12
green harness
So even knowing that
And watching every other high-revenue market in the world b...
What?
Existing SKUs have not had their prices increased since 80-12 launch from what I have seen
lone pond
Idk if you just want to convince yourself that you aren't being had
Or if you have some vested interest in them
But it's weird to watch people brag about getting bent over for several thousand dollars on a product, and then turn around and defend the people who did it to you
green harness
Idk if you just want to convince yourself that you aren't being had
Or if you ha...
You're here claiming that existing SKUs saw a big price increase with the 80-12gb launch. I have seen so evidence of that. That's all I'm saying
I also haven't bragged about getting an 80 Ti and openly shared that it was bad value at the time I bought it and remains so
faint beacon
is there any 3070ti or 3080 that is a dual fan?
green harness
The Asus Dual 3070 has two fans, it's not a big difference between a 3070 and a 3070 Ti
normal hawk
I have one of the EK ones, not the Basic.
keen nacelle
I was wondering when you'd hit vip
normal hawk
My 3080 ti was 1475, there are 3080's more than that now lol
The cheapest I've seen the 12gb 3080 for was 1249 though. Which is wayyyy too much
faint beacon
The Asus Dual 3070 has two fans, it's not a big difference between a 3070 and a ...
i know 3070 has dual fan, i was trying to find something a little more powerful, my case just can’t support a triple fan gpu
normal hawk
i know 3070 has dual fan, i was trying to find something a little more powerful,...
3070ti isn't much of an improvement over the 3070, I'd just try to get the dual fan 3070.
faint beacon
okay
normal hawk
Dual fan would also keep a 3080 too hot imo.
green harness
i know 3070 has dual fan, i was trying to find something a little more powerful,...
Yeah, that's why I suggested the 70. Not enough difference to justice the Ti upcharge
faint beacon
good to know
green harness
well i mean, the noctua 3080 is dual fan
The Noctua is a 3070 and it's still a chonker
faint beacon
oh
dreamy dragonBOT
4in#1624 has been warned
quartz gull
Calling that thing dual fan is misleading
It's a dual fan that's the size of a triple
normal hawk
The Noctua is a 3070 and it's still a chonker
And it's thicc. Almost 4 slots lol
Wouldn't fit in most sff cases
faint beacon
it’s a meshify c
green harness
Idk if this comparison will work but fwiw: https://www.asus.com/us/product-compare?ProductID=19123,16967,16941&LevelId=Motherboards-Components-Graphics-Cards
Meshify C can fit 3 fan cards I thought
Ok, so the meshify C has 315mm of clearance with the fan mounted. The EVGA FTW3 3070 (a 3 fan card) is 300mm long. So unless you have more than just a fan up there you can fit some fairly long cards
@faint beacon
faint beacon
Ok, so the meshify C has 315mm of clearance with the fan mounted. The EVGA FTW3 ...
but that’s without a radiator and fans in it, and it’s the mid tower one
but i’ll prolly have to measure it out once i get the case
green harness
but that’s without a radiator and fans in it, and it’s the mid tower one
I looked at the meshify c
Yeah measure the space you have with everything installed
faint beacon
yeah i do have a gpu already so i’m very glad
picked up a 1070 right before the shortage for 100$
green harness
I wouldn't cut it too close. So if you think you have say 305mm I'd personally be wary of a 300mm card, but it might fit too if you measure well
green harness
picked up a 1070 right before the shortage for 100$
Nice!
solemn panther
faint beacon
fr!!!!
do you use a radiator?
rip, i plan for a 360mm rad
but might just go for a 280mm for the better gpu
green harness
Can't you top mount a rad in the meshify c?
normal hawk
not a 360mm rad I believe
green harness
rip, i plan for a 360mm rad
You can top mount a 240mm rad, just do that
normal hawk
but might just go for a 280mm for the better gpu
@green harness
thats what they decided
faint beacon
i might just do that
though i would have preferred a 360mm aio but it’s not gonna make a big difference in performance
green harness
Yeah, can't top mount a 280mm though according to the spec (assuming it's this case: https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/meshify/meshify-c/black/)
I wish I could top mount my gpu's rad in my p400a. It's my only gripe about my case
faint beacon
okay thank you guys sm!!!!
green harness
what GPU you got with a rad?
3080 Ti XC3 with the hybrid kit installed
normal hawk
oh yeah, EVGA does have a hybrid kit
green harness
I can mount a 120mm in the back, or up to a 360mm up front iirc, but top can't take any rads at all
So I have the 240mm rad up front
heady turtle
Yeah only downside to the p400a
normal hawk
so the 4000D airflow is good since it can have a 360mm in the front and 280mm(I think is the max) on top? ;P
green harness
Yeah only downside to the p400a
Yep, I didn't think I'd have any rads when I bought it, and here we are.....
heady turtle
so the 4000D airflow is good since it can have a 360mm in the front and 280mm(I ...
Correct
heady turtle
Yep, I didn't think I'd have any rads when I bought it, and here we are.....
Unfortunate yeah
heady turtle
Uh why
solemn panther
Rommy back on GPU duty
static warren
I need help selecting a new GPU, but would like to stay under $500. The games I want to play require a GeForce 960 or better. I have a Gigabyte GA-Z170 Gaming 6 MB and an Intel 6700-K CPU. New Egg has a GTX 1650 4GB for $380. Is this compatible with my MB and a good deal? Thank you!
heady turtle
1650 for 380 is awful, for that price get a gtx 1070, youll have to get used ofc tho
static warren
Thank you, NOT Pato, what is ofc?
charred raft
Thank you, NOT Pato, what is ofc?
of course
ivory herald
I need help selecting a new GPU, but would like to stay under $500. The games I ...
1070 as Pato said is pretty good, but I'd also look at 1080's. They definitely can be had under $500 often enough.
cosmic bluff
I won the shuffle for rtx 3060
Did ya buy it?
normal hawk
you buying more already? 😮
green harness
Oh dang, which 3070?
heady turtle
More importantly how many monies?
green harness
Nice
heady turtle
Yeah noice
normal hawk
Nice plan
normal hawk
Amazon Warehouse needs to work on their pricing lol
I see a 3070 ti for over 2 grand
The use an AI to price things on Amazon Warehouse around current listings.
It takes scalper prices into account so the bot prices them really high
sudden frigate
Won a 3060ti on shuffle today finally. After four months of nothing
normal hawk
Won a 3060ti on shuffle today finally. After four months of nothing
Nice!
sudden frigate
Bundled with an overpriced M.2 but I’ll end up using it.
trim cove
i cant find a proper cheap graphics card
ivory herald
Use the delorean back to early 2019ish
trim cove
hmm
trim cove
i cant find a proper cheap graphics card
pls recommend a grahics under $800
for gaming and productivity
ivory herald
3060 Ti, 2080(s) is what I can think of at the moment. gpu market is wack. Others might have other suggestions.
dreamy dragonBOT
mastermonkey911#0896 has been warned
heady stratus
i cant find a proper cheap graphics card
I remember being a kid and thinking the $300 Nvidia 4600 Ti was expensive, now I'm an adult and rationalize buying a 3090
normal hawk
I remember being a kid and thinking the $300 Nvidia 4600 Ti was expensive, now ...
Good luck lol. All the ones being sold by Newegg are up to 3000$
normal hawk
pls recommend a grahics under $800
3060 ti or 3070 (microcenter/best buy, maybe Newegg shuffle)
heady stratus
Good luck lol. All the ones being sold by Newegg are up to 3000$
I got one from Newegg shuffle back in august
$2400 something after taxes
or 2500, cant remember
still
$300 vs $2500
for top of line gfx
normal hawk
True
ivory herald
I remember being a kid and thinking the $300 Nvidia 4600 Ti was expensive, now ...
Expensive to "us" was when my dad bought me a new GPU maybe 15 years ago for $380 (I think it was the 6800 GT which of course was right below the high end 6800 Ultra at the time). From then on I deal hunted & most choices were $250 or less (7800 gs agp, pcie starting w/ 8800 GTS 512) until the 1080 
. Principle or otherwise, 3digit price is my limit.
native moss
Yo what's a good graphics card for around 100 bucks
ivory herald
gtx 960 perhaps. Will take a fair bit of hunting in any case
native moss
Really? I'm looking at 670s rn and they're like 150 low end
The market is wild rn
Oh damn theres a 1650 4GB for 99 bucks
Nvm it's a scam site
fading briar
Can you use the Motherboards I/O Display port even when you have a graphics card?
ivory herald
yes, if you have igpu on the cpu
fading briar
Or do you have to use the graphics cards display ports to get the good graphics?
ivory herald
Well you can have primary monitor on gpu for good game performance then 2nd monitor on mobo for some odd reason. All gpus have at least 2 video ports though
fading briar
I only have one monitor.
native moss
How bad is Aliexpress for buying graphics cards
fading briar
I want to build the PC in a cabinet so I won't get full access to the GPU after it's built and I don't want to make an vertical pcie kit
ivory herald
It's not like a laptop w/ that weird MUX deal I've heard about. Pretty much have to be plugged into the GPU if you want to get it's ability.
ivory herald
How bad is Aliexpress for buying graphics cards
eh idk. example: yikes. 2GB
native moss
I only need 2gb
fading briar
It's not like a laptop w/ that weird MUX deal I've heard about. Pretty much have...
Okie dokie, I guess I have to make the PCIE stand thing.
native moss
I just need it to run a few racing games
fading briar
Minecraft boat races?
native moss
Lmao
ivory herald
4GB probably doesn't help a gtx 960 much anyways. There are a handful on ebay though. Wish I hung onto my 970 longer haha
native moss
Yeah I just need 2gb cus it can run the older gen rally games since I just bought a wheel setup
fading briar
Man, I feel stupid for not buying the 3060 that I got the chance to buy via the new egg shuffle.
ivory herald
Yeah I just need 2gb cus it can run the older gen rally games since I just bough...
reddit r/hardwareswap and such is an option. Personally I'm most familiar w/ Ebay. $120ish can probably get a 960 or similar. Also don't disregard the 760 and/or 660. 660 might still have a semi-recent Win10/11 driver.
yep
fading briar
Damb, MSRP for the 3060 ti was 399 USD.
ivory herald
We don't need brand new gpu that badly , lol. (to pay 50% over msrp)
fading briar
I see some for 500+ at retailers and that sucks.
The other ones are 400+
Asus Dual -RTX3060TI-8G - DUAL-RTX3060TI-8G is at 499 USD
Btw, Microcenter has a bundle that is bare Bones PC with a 3060 ti, Z590 or AMD equivalent, 500w 80+ bronze power supply, tuf gaming case (the 99$ one), and that's it. All for 999.99 USD (intel one, AMD is a bit cheaper)
ivory herald
Yeah I just need 2gb cus it can run the older gen rally games since I just bough...
Matches a 680 closely
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/gigabyte-gtx-960-oc/18.html
ivory herald
long forge
Is $1775 cad for a like new in box Asus Rog Strix 3080 reasonable? He claims lightly used for gaming for a month
green harness
That's a bit high for a 3080 imo.
MSRP for that card is circa 1100 usd and that's like 1400
Also fwiw I wouldn't trust "lightly used" people say that all the time and it means nothing. Main thing imo is to check if the card itself works
dreamy dragonBOT
ZED#0665 has been warned
lone pond
some good graphics cards in the 600-300 range I need something good for gaming
rich falcon
Rx 6600 can be had for that under that
heady turtle
For the ~$300 gtx 980 ti/1070
~400-500 1080/1080 ti/ rtx 3060/ 2070(super)/rx 6600xt/6700xt/2080 (super)/rtx 3060 ti/3070
500-600 same as above from 6700xt onwards + rtx 3070 ti/rx 6800
In order of perf
lilac cave
Yo guys, any suggestions on a good 4gb graphics card that's under $300?
heady turtle
Should be able to get a 980 ti/gtx 1070
safe mantle
Hey fellas what would be a recommended I should pay for a 1660 super
rich falcon
Kinda dont recommend 980ti they run hot i would know
heady turtle
Hey fellas what would be a recommended I should pay for a 1660 super
No more than $250
heady turtle
Kinda dont recommend 980ti they run hot i would know
Better than something like a 1660 super, they don't run that hot, might be helpful to repaste it tho and not really in a choosers market
safe mantle
No more than $250
Thank ya : )
heady turtle
No problem
rich falcon
Have a 3060ti now soo no need for that
dreamy dragonBOT
MrVenomTV__#6074 has been warned
pale gust
Anyone know what the average wait time is for a 3080ti or best place to get on a waiting list is?
smoky solstice
Where can I find and 3070 to for a good price
normal hawk
Where can I find and 3070 to for a good price
I know where you can find one for a bad price
smoky solstice
Lmao
normal hawk
https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-AORUS-GeForce-MASTER-Graphics/dp/B095X5QHK5/ 2,123$ from amazon warehouse deals.
Thats a 3070 ti though 😛
normal hawk
Where can I find and 3070 to for a good price
https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-Graphics-IceStorm-Advanced-ZT-A30700H-10PLHR/dp/B097YY2NL2/ Only 1,129$ for a 3070 ;P
Ye rommy?
True true
smoky solstice
https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-Graphics-IceStorm-Advanced-ZT-A30700H-10PLHR/dp/B09...
Welp better than what I found
normal hawk
Zotac has their 3050 on their website now. Twin Edge but no Mini 😦
smoky solstice
I'll check it out
smoky solstice
Lmao
heady turtle
Where can I find and 3070 to for a good price
smoky solstice
Zotac has their 3050 on their website now. Twin Edge but no Mini 😦
That
normal hawk
So far:
Zotac has: Twin Edge and Twin Edge OC.
Gigabyte has: Gaming OC, Eagle OC, and Eagle.
MSI has: Gaming X, Gaming, Aero ITX OC, Aero ITX,
Ventus 2x OC, and Ventus 2x.
PNY has: XLR8 Gaming Epic X (Dual and single fan), and uprising dual
EVGA and ASUS, haven't listed them yet fully. Although XC3 is confirmed for the 3050 of course.
@heady turtle What do you think about the fact Gigabyte has a 3 fan 3050?
heady turtle
Lmao
heady turtle
So stupid
normal hawk
Aero Itx from MSI would be okay for a real small build though
normal hawk
I'll trade a 3080 for 7 of them then
normal hawk
1660-1660 super with dlss and RT so far
idle idol
I might buy the RTX 3050 but I am not sure if I am going to see a difference with my RX 580.
plus mine is a 4GB VRAM version.
heady turtle
Not worth the upgrade tbh
heady turtle
Yeah
idle idol
Ah ok, not sure what processor I should get.
I was thinking AMD ryzen 7 2700X or AMD ryzen 5 3600
keen nacelle
I was thinking AMD ryzen 7 2700X or AMD ryzen 5 3600
dont buy a 3600 new
they tend to be very overpriced
sullen panther
I got a Vega 64 and I can't get a display output at all and idk what to do...
idle idol
dont buy a 3600 new
Yea checked, prices are well over 250$+
heady turtle
Ah ok, not sure what processor I should get.
3600 if you can find for ~150$, 5600x if not
keen nacelle
go for a used 3600 around 150, or a 5600x new
idle idol
is the 5600G better than the 3600?
sullen panther
Am I in the wrong chat? I thought this was #graphics-cards 😂
keen nacelle
it performs worse than the 5600x
heady turtle
Am I in the wrong chat? I thought this was <#500101029157797899> 😂
It doesn't really matter
sullen panther
I see
idle idol
I got a Vega 64 and I can't get a display output at all and idk what to do...
show the pic of your PC
sullen panther
I'm not home anymore I just got out
keen nacelle
make sure cord is plugged all the way in, try a different cord, make sure gpu is all the way in the slot
idle idol
Ah, ok.
keen nacelle
try a dif output
sullen panther
make sure cord is plugged all the way in, try a different cord, make sure gpu is...
Done 👍
heady turtle
I got a Vega 64 and I can't get a display output at all and idk what to do...
What cpu? Is it connected to the gpu?
idle idol
Does the fans even spin? and is this a new build or you been having this PC for a while that was working before this happened?
sullen panther
It is, I tried all the different parts on the GPU too and the fan does spin
idle idol
It is, I tried all the different parts on the GPU too and the fan does spin
does it boot cycle?
sullen panther
It's a gpu upgrade, and I have a 3900x
idle idol
turn on and off
sullen panther
No
heady turtle
It's a gpu upgrade, and I have a 3900x
Worked before?
sullen panther
Mhmm
sullen panther
I haven't done that
idle idol
just one bad ram slot that kept on boot cycling.
sullen panther
It shouldn't be the ram because the pc works with my old GPU
idle idol
It shouldn't be the ram because the pc works with my old GPU
does your motherbaord have a ez debug led lights?
sullen panther
Yes
heady turtle
It shouldn't be the ram because the pc works with my old GPU
Just try clear cmos, and have you tried all the ports ?
sullen panther
It doesn't stop on vga
I did not clear CMOS
Well I guess I could try that whenever I get home, thanks y'all. If y'all have any more suggestions keep it up lol
idle idol
Well I guess I could try that whenever I get home, thanks y'all. If y'all have a...
One more question
Did you uninstall the old GPU drivers before upgrading?
IF you're switching from NVIDIA to AMD then maybe it could prevent it to boot up?
sullen panther
Yes I ddu uninstalled
I'm to the point where I'm considering taking it apart and throwing it in the oven
idle idol
Yea I was pretty frustrated too with my PC will I figured it was my ram slot that was bad lmao.
I would clear CMOS.
sullen panther
I would rather it be a ram slot than a gpu
idle idol
and see if that fixes the problem
sullen panther
Yeah I'll do that first then the oven
idle idol
lmao
sullen panther
Unless there's something else I can do
idle idol
I got my 3900x 'nd a 360mm aio cooler for 350 I think
for 350$ that's not bad,
sullen panther
Yeah with a 80ish or so cooler with it. Nice steal but it's missing the things for the RGB or whatever
But I don't like RGB anyway since I like to sleep in total darkness
idle idol
Nice,
damn I might have to bid on the AMD ryzen 7 3700X
152$ right now
nvm, thats bad 50$ shipping
smh
sullen panther
Oof
idle idol
there is a another 150$ one with 20$ shipping,
AMD ryzen 7 3700X
just no cooler though
sullen panther
Coolers aren't that expensive though depending on what you got
Get
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08BY9P911/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_J5F7E3K2N8CQPCAN6QPX I liked this one a lot
sullen panther
True
idle idol
not sure if I want to buy a CPU from ebay,
or mercari
since my CPU pins came in a bit bent,
from ebay
heady turtle
Just look at the pics and use PayPal g&s
sullen panther
Oh yeah mine came in bent and I had to bend it back
solemn panther
brisk flame
I guess imma get the AMD ryzen 5 5600X
just get 12400F for 199
plus this cheap asf board lol
same price as 5600x better performance
ivory herald
plus this cheap asf board lol
brisk flame
i say that because i assume you already have an am4 board?
silver fiber
What would be a good GPU for a 450w psu
normal hawk
What would be a good GPU for a 450w psu
How many 8pin connectors does it have?
silver fiber
Ummm 0 like my now GPU does not need external power
normal hawk
Oh, best LP card is a 1650.
Sadly the 3050 needs a 8pin power connector.
normal hawk
Not really. You'd need a new PSU
silver fiber
Oh..
normal hawk
t1000
T1000 is a laptop GPU though ain't it? All my searches Are bringing up laptops not desktop GPUs
Nvm found it
magic wing
T1000 is a laptop GPU though ain't it? All my searches Are bringing up laptops n...
quick google should answer ur question
its a desktop quadro
normal hawk
The first 8 links are about laptop GPUs.
normal hawk
Well I'm looking for benchmarks vs them.
And it's pulling up 1650 max q and 1650 ti
See lol
magic wing
thats dum
magic wing
Can't find any Benchmarks comparing the 2 :c
Compare to any 1650 benchmark
Any good one ofc
I like u
Lol
normal hawk
Oh that's pretty good performance. And it's probably more available than the 1650 huh?
vital oriole
not bad
dreamy dragonBOT
cuhrqly#4003 has been warned
opal iron
https://www.microcenter.com/product/627657/asus-geforce-gtx-1650-phoenix-overclo...
Sold out 
vital oriole
rip
lone pond
Sup guys
normal hawk
Hi
granite juniper
what's a decent price on a 1080 ti rn?
heady turtle
what's a decent price on a 1080 ti rn?
~400
granite juniper
hm
found one for 520ish but i sold my 1070ti for 420 so pretty much is 100 to upgrade
lean rampart
rtx 3050 for $250 or rx 570 for $130?
livid idol
Like you'll find the 3050 even close to that lol
lean rampart
true
livid idol
We don't know the performance of the 3050 yet anyway so it could be a load of garbage for all we know
charred raft
At a minimum it should be equal to a 1650 Super
Because historically nvidia has never given worse perf on a newer series
livid idol
Minimum yeah, I'd think closer to 1660 super / 2060 is realistic
charred raft
Yea I agree with that
rustic pulsar
its prolly gonna be like a slightly worse 2060 but lower tdp
heady turtle
We don't know the performance of the 3050 yet anyway so it could be a load of ga...
Looking to be like 1660/maybe super level according to nvidia
ivory herald
found one for 520ish but i sold my 1070ti for 420 so pretty much is 100 to upgra...
Tbh I'd call 520 very decent currently (almost 2080 performanceI thought). When did you sell that 1070ti? Nice going. The thing is I'd aim for a 20 series at least, but they're quite a bit more at each performance lvl.
keen nacelle
Minimum yeah, I'd think closer to 1660 super / 2060 is realistic
i think between 1660 and 1660s, if theyre planning to release a 3050 ti desktop
otherwise yeah thats probably right
normal hawk
Maybe it will be available in 1 slot thick varieties
MSI Aero ITX and PNY Has a single fan. not sure about slots. On the other end, Gigabyte has a 3 fan one at 282mm, which is half a centimeter shorter than the 3070 of the same model lol
charred raft
Lol
elder condor
Is a 3060 ti for $600 a good deal?
livid idol
Define "good"
It's not what I'd call good personally, being 50% over the msrp, but if that's the best you can find it's not the worst deal you could find
elder condor
Ok thx
keen nacelle
its good for the current market
scenic venture
im looking for a graphics card that is around $400 or less and I was wondering what a good one for that price is
livid idol
3050 launches soon, msrp is $250 so you can expect it to be closer to $350-400
scarlet geode
im looking for a graphics card that is around $400 or less and I was wondering w...
in todays market something like a GTX256
livid idol
Supposedly the stock will be decent but we've heard that before
scenic venture
how good is a gtx256
scarlet geode
how good is a gtx256
it was the first GTX card so you take a guess
scenic venture
i just built my first pc so i hosetly have no idea how good any gpus are
but i would assume its pretty bad
scarlet geode
but i would assume its pretty bad
its got 32MB of memory so...
fickle cargo
For nvidia, modern naming scheme is not that hard to understand there is separate series with different names but the number tells your their performance tier
90 ti > 90 > 80 ti > 80 > 70 ti > 70
And so on
scenic venture
i understand that much
scarlet geode
For nvidia, modern naming scheme is not that hard to understand there is separat...
70 > 60ti > 60 > 50ti > 50
cerulean rover
For anything across generations and/or brands, just throw it into passmark to get a good idea
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
keen nacelle
3070 is about 10% better than 3060 ti, 3060 ti is about 15% better than 3060
fickle cargo
Benchmarks is your best bet to understand where a card sits, look up videos for specific cards
scenic venture
is the rx 6600 any good
scarlet geode
is the rx 6600 any good
Its the newer series but i dont really know about AMD gpu's
cerulean rover
AMD aib gpu pricing tends to be pretty bad, gotta get it from AMD directly for a good deal
6600xt should be a good deal at msrp, 6600 not great
scenic venture
i was thinking about getting a 3060 but i cant a single one in stock anywhere
livid idol
Yeah, there's some tips in the pins but it's a lot of luck
scarlet geode
is there any chats for Setups?
dreamy dragonBOT
WsXFT#5446 has been warned
cerulean rover
atm, you won't find anything that'll stay in stock, just some that show up in shuffle or random drops that maybe lasts a few minutes at a time
cerulean rover
is there any chats for Setups?
what about them
scarlet geode
what about them
i mean is there any text chat like this chat but for setups
cerulean rover
like about which part
scenic venture
if i have a max budget of $500, whats the best gpu i can get thats in stock?
cerulean rover
One that stays in stock, no good ones, ones that show up from time to time, a good few options.
a 3060 can probably be found on shuffle for under 500 decently commonly
https://www.newegg.com/product-shuffle
scenic venture
ive been doing that but theres prob millions of people doing it as well so theres a very low chance i actually get selected
cerulean rover
millions, nah, thousands, probably somewhere around there, but its not impossible, just luck
could maybe get a 6700xt from amd directly if you get lucky with thursday drops
https://www.amd.com/en/shop/us/Graphics Cards
the rest, annoying to get,
scenic venture
is there any tips or tricks
cerulean rover
Shuffle attempts to take away any skill requirements so
The other option is get notification services and watch for drops
but that takes time and even more luck
prob could've worded it better
Shuffle provides an equal playing field no matter your background in software or social engineering or the such
scenic venture
how often are the shuffles
cerulean rover
Whenever they get restocked
every few days typically
sometimes couple of days in a row
EVGA Queue is something you try to join at the start
scenic venture
whats that
cerulean rover
because nowadays the ETA is probably closer to a year
they're also implementing another queue that gives priority to evga customers that haven't bought GPUs recently
livid idol
Kingpin 3090?
Or hydrocopper?
Pffft, I guess that one's ok
I'm super happy with my 3080ti FE. I'll be even more happy once I liquid cool it.
That said my crappy 3090 did have one advantage, core temps were very nice with that liquid cooler.
Too bad the core clock was still power limited
keen nacelle
have an7y of yall seen anything of a next best buy drop?
hoping to pickup a 3080 fe
i just want a 3080 fe for the free upgrade
why not go for it
livid idol
hoping to pickup a 3080 fe
Good luck with that, last drop there was barely any
3080ti maybe
keen nacelle
yeah i saw
i tried to go for it but i had gotten covid the day before
that day i slept most of it
i had been stalking it for 8 days before it too
the one day i wasnt awake for it
ivory herald
it was the first GTX card so you take a guess
haha, should've said GTX 260 or 270, or not mention gtx.....
normal hawk
6600xt should be a good deal at msrp, 6600 not great
No reference design for 6600xt, 6600 or 6500xt. So no MSRP
fickle cargo
How do you track best buy drops?
cerulean rover
No reference design for 6600xt, 6600 or 6500xt. So no MSRP
Yea but I think there was a MSRP model still
timid narwhal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGG2GYwnhMs
not looking good for the 6500xt
hard wren
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGG2GYwnhMs
not looking good for the 6500xt
havent watched this but I didnt think it was going to be a big deal as long as it was in a 4.0 slot
oof seems like it needs that 8gb of ram if its going to be 4x
crazy that the 8gb vs the 4gb is making such a big difference like in the 1080p Doom Eternal test in the above video
timid narwhal
Thats what I was thinking, a game that can run on a toaster is running like molases on that configuration
scenic venture
Anyone know a way to find 30 series cards in stock
heady turtle
Anyone know a way to find 30 series cards in stock
granite juniper
@heady turtle 2070s or 1080ti?
heady turtle
<@!191276897227898880> 2070s or 1080ti?
Margin of error of perf tbh so whichever is cheaper/be willing to pay bit more for 2070 super for dlss/better nvenc/RT also 2070 super mines a bit better
Actually they mine pretty similar after checking*
granite juniper
yeah it's kind of a wash between them
2070s has warrenty but 1080 ti ftw3 vs evga black
heady turtle
2070s has warrenty but 1080 ti ftw3 vs evga black
If same price 2070s for me
keen nacelle
Dlss, better nvenc, rtx if you want it
heady turtle
Nvidia broadcast also pog
dreamy dragonBOT
RascaraxTGH#6230 has been warned
scenic venture
where can i find 30 series cards in stock?
heady turtle
scenic venture
you told me that last time
cosmic bluff
its pretty much the only answer we can give
normal hawk
where can i find 30 series cards in stock?
There is currently a 3000$ 3090 in stock on Newegg, or you could try your luck with Amazon warehouse deals and pay 1k for a 3070.
If you would rather not do any of those. Check the pins
normal hawk
where can i find 30 series cards in stock?
normal hawk
where can i find 30 series cards in stock?
normal hawk
where can i find 30 series cards in stock?
Slightly cheaper 3070
https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-REV2-0-WINDFORCE-GV-N3070AORUS-M-8GD/dp/B09B2W2ZQ3/
normal hawk
where can i find 30 series cards in stock?
Get one of the ones i linked, or check the pins. There's nothing else to do.
🙄
scenic venture
ok
normal hawk
They are terribly priced btw.
normal hawk
The only way you can get one of the 3000 series in your price range is Newegg shuffle, microcenter, or best buy drops. Which are all in the pins.
scenic venture
yeah i looked at the pins
quartz gull
Going from 2060 to 3070 wasn't as big of an upgrade as I was expecting tbh
like it's there but it doesn't feel like the doubling it is
normal hawk
What res do you play at?
quartz gull
1080p to be fair
the 4k monitor I've been wanting
Has been out of stock for 2 weeks now
normal hawk
That's why there's no difference lol
quartz gull
well even at games I was playing at 40fps
80 doesn't even feel like that much of a jump on gsync using a controller
normal hawk
Get a 1440p monitor instead of 4k. You'll notice more of a difference imo.
M27Q 
Or go ultra wide
quartz gull
I can not STAND improper scaling for media consumption
It feels gross
1080p to 1440p is just
bleh
I want an m28u
but
they no exist
I can't stand curved monitors and I sit 1.5 feet from my monitor so too big and it goes over my field of view
I'm very sensitive to upscaling
normal hawk
Whats your budget?
normal hawk
quartz gull
mostly single player experiences with settings cranked XD
normal hawk
Doesn't have HDMI 2.1 so new consoles don't get the 4k 120hz like on some of the other ones.
cerulean rover
@quartz gull this might be interesting, 610$, no rtings review but seems to be less accurate color but still okay
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MQBDY91
Although seller a bit weird
quartz gull
I might just wait for m28u at best buy
best buy in store returns are great
they let me return even with 1 dead pixel
cerulean rover
Most retailers should do that now
Newegg changed dead pixel policy a while back to single dead pixel afaik
quartz gull
I saw that and I was so impressed
it used to be 4 or more for 4k
like imagine having 3 dead pixels and not being allowed to return
cerulean rover
Newegg will accept returns for monitor, TV’s, and display products with as few as one dead pixel within the product’s eligible return period
quartz gull
that's incredible
I never bought my monitors from newegg because the old policy was ridiculous
cerulean rover
I think it used to be like 4 pixels, and they got flak for it, so they changed it to 1 pixel
quartz gull
it depended on resolution
4k it was 4 or more
okay the customer images on the light bleed on that monitor are absurd
wtf is that
yeah I'm staying far away form this thing
rustic valley
hey guys do you guys think i should buy a 3050/to of a 3060 want gpu for 1080p 144hz or good graphics quality currently running a1050 ti
quartz gull
honestly I'd go up to a 3060ti for that
if you're wanting to play on high 144fps I'd do a 3060ti
heady turtle
hey guys do you guys think i should buy a 3050/to of a 3060 want gpu for 1080p 1...
Skip 3050 go for a used 1070 for less money or gtx 1080/ti or 3060/6600xt
quartz gull
some used 2060's locally for around $350-400 atm
rustic valley
i want maybey play some games whit rtx like minecraft
my first go to was 3060 ti
but i want gpu upgrade faster
quartz gull
most the cards are equally hard to get at msrp rn
I'd honestly go for amd if you want faster gpu purchase
rustic valley
i will wait till launch and compare
dreamy dragonBOT
Cow#0717 has been warned
dreamy dragonBOT
DishierHat569#0860 has been warned
quartz gull
What blows my mind is that the 3070 feels so powerful to me
Yet the XSX is about that powerful
I hope these consoles age better than the last ones
normal hawk
Yet the XSX is about that powerful
The consoles are about 2080 Super level depending on the game. Your 3070 should definitely outperform it.
quartz gull
3070 is only like 10-15% over 2080s right?
normal hawk
I forget not all of them are the jumps that the 3060 ti and 3080 are NGL.
little scroll
lol i been trying to get a 3060ti for over a year on shuffle still no luck
normal hawk
lol i been trying to get a 3060ti for over a year on shuffle still no luck
3060 Ti's and 3070's seem to be the hardest to get.
3080 will probably join because the price jump for 3080 12gb. Seeing as it starts at 1,249
fossil talon
3060 Ti's and 3070's seem to be the hardest to get.
What lol
I swear it's 3080s that are the hardest to get
normal hawk
They weren't early on at least. Now they are for sure.
jovial cedar
What card will the 3050 have similar performance to?
hard wren
1060 6gb - 970 perfromance
normal hawk
Control with RT 😮
Maybe it'll be priced better than AMD and Nvidia's entry level cards
Shocked they wouldn't just buy a prebuilt if they wanted one so bad.
what spares ya got?
ah nice.
rich cedar
i dont get the whole point of winning it if you still have to pay for it
at least heavily discount it
inner jetty
It's a lottery to purchase at their price rather than first come first serve and waiting room nonsense.
Like when they used to hand out numbers outside Target and Best Buy on the release dates for new consoles.
rich cedar
mmm
inner jetty
I was the first person in line to not be able to get a Wii on the release date at my local target.
They had 14 units and I was 15th in line. Waited just as long as anyone else in the cold.
Now that isn't an unfair practice at all.
But with online waiting rooms there is just no rhyme or reason and too many factors outside anyone's control. And bots and straw purchases become way more of an issue.
Sure I could have paid someone to stand in line for me overnight. Or super early.
But online I can pay 1000 people 10 cents a piece to work on my behalf
heady turtle
DDU time
idle idol
they're alot smaller.
heady turtle
DDU?
Display driver uninstaller, everything you want to know about it is in a guide in the pins
idle idol
idk about that cause my tasks are freezing more frequently than yesterday.
heady turtle
idk about that cause my tasks are freezing more frequently than yesterday.
Are you running any overclocks?
heady turtle
What specs?
idle idol
AMD ryzen 5 2400g RX 580,
heady turtle
Also ehh worth a shot using ddu
heady turtle
Also run a memory stress test, i feel 3200mhz is too much for the 2400g
idle idol
Ok just did a DDU,
seems to be normal now,
gotta wait for this AMD driver to install can't speak too soon..
Wait,
yea
I see the red lines now..
that didn't work..
imma go into my bios and change it to 2933 mhz
heady turtle
Also run the pins/bat file in #windows-ios
idle idol
changed the ram to 2933/
And it's still there..
I am legit about to get a new damn GPU if I don't fix this in the next 24 hours.
@heady turtle I also got this message from windows saying "needs a restart pci bus"
Maybe the motherboard?
imma shutdown my system real quick.
heady turtle
<@!191276897227898880> I also got this message from windows saying "needs a rest...
You said the lines went away after ddu right? I'd try ddu again and go to a previous version of the drivers
Also make sure you try different port/cable
inner jetty
Why temporarily? This could be a permanent solution.
bronze tundra
@heady turtle you know anything about pcie risers?
inner jetty
You could paint or decorate pvc however you like.
Why not just buy our machines pre-built and not spend time hunting parts and deals?
harsh sage
lol
normal hawk
better luck next time
I don't have a strix
Aorus Extreme
not the AIO one
yeeee
I'll show you the 3090 box with the 3080 in it for comparison
warm void
im stuck, was going to spend $500 on a gtx1660, i might as well wait and go $700 for a rtx 3070
i guess i ll get a gtx 1050 for playing overwatch on on ultra low stripped settings
im on a 240 hz refresh rate monitor
gsync monitor
i got a gtx 970 now. i run paladins maxed at 175 fps
my nvidia control panel settings are all rock bottom stripped
all syncs off
all trash technology,
corporate greed
i guess i will get a used gtx 1050ti and play team fortress 2 at 240fps pinned
inner jetty
Me either. But I keep hoping!
Not meaning to come across as an attack. I was only responding to your "why take the time" comment. It doesn't take much to decorate a 3 inch piece of PVC with some acrylic paint and flourescent accents.
lone pond
wait you have to buy the stuff if you win the shuffle, right??
inner jetty
Yeah. It's a lottery for a spot in line.
lone pond
ahh ok ok thanks
inner jetty
No worries. I see how it comes across that way.
Needs a quick sanding and polyurethane
Nice.
Yeah thats groovy industrial looking.
normal hawk
wait is your 3080 8pin+6pin?
ewwwww
sleeved cables are a must
true
but aren't you tryin to get a 3090?
ah lol thats fair
save up for a rainy day
strix 3090 ti is around the corner
😂
lone pond
maybe $4500 after market?? yeah noo
normal hawk
strix 3050?
lone pond
3090ti
lone pond
did they announce price yet?
normal hawk
Well since theres the Asus tax and Rog Tax. probably like 400 - 450$
normal hawk
I could see you building a nice looking build with low end components and putting your actual PC under the desk
lone pond
what would the 3050 be close to in 20 series?
normal hawk
1660-1660 Super with DLSS and RTX
lone pond
then they buy those components and dont get the same performance 💀
great prank 🙂
ahh ok thought you would have it on making people think that pc was giving the performance of your main build
keen nacelle
I might buy a 3050 if I find one close to msrp
Would build a pc for my brother
Or my SO
One of the two
Significant other
My brother just said he wouldn't want it, so SO it is
If I manage to get one lol
They also live 3hrs away so that might be a little difficult
A mutual friends dad builds pcs so I might just send it to him to build
normal hawk
Maybe Phoenix Fan 3050 or Gigabyte Gaming but that ones big
keen nacelle
There's no fe right?
normal hawk
No FE afaik.
normal hawk
I only know the amd cards with no reference design.
6400(OEM), 6500XT, 6600, 6600XT.
ivory herald
I have million free legos or nicknacks to use. Many of us don't care how a lil lego guy looks.
Hate the daisy chain cable(s) on most psus. 
normal hawk
Especially with higher wattage psu's
Psu's should come with fancy braided cables so we don't gotta buy extensions
normal hawk
Ye
normal hawk
I hate how i don't have a box or a pcie cover for this. But look how big the 3090 box was compared to the 3080 @sterile parcel
fossil talon
Psu's should come with fancy braided cables so we don't gotta buy extensions
Dont the higher end Corsair sell those
normal hawk
fossil talon
LOL
normal hawk
So much space 😅
The Aorus extreme 3090 is a chonky boy
Literally dwarfs everything else
fossil talon
4-5 slot basically
compact panther
fossil talon
Too chonk
fossil talon
Zotac cards this gen are either skinny bois, or fat short ones
normal hawk
I'd put it in my itx PC, but I only have a 650w PSU in it.
normal hawk
Eh. My itx build also doesn't need it. Will only be on 1080p screens.
fossil talon
Then it spiraled into Kpop
Then lo-fi and Kpop/Krap
Now krnb, jrnb, and cnrb
Sure
I love it
I've touch old school jpop, and miss it a bit
spare relic
safe siren
Was AORUS GeForce RTX™ 3060 ELITE 12G for $520 a good price
quartz gull
Not the worst price I've seen honestly
I wouldn't call it good but I'd call it decent enough
heady turtle
<@!191276897227898880> you know anything about pcie risers?
Not much about them, they extend the pcie slot through a cable basically
lofty rampart
is a r9 380 still decent today
vital oriole
ntb
ivory herald
tbh it's like a GTX 960, for reference. Both decent at 1080p for some games.
ivory herald
If I could , I'd go back in time and keep using my 970 longer (plus not hear "huge cpu bottleneck" so much)
heady turtle
is a r9 380 still decent today
Yes especially if it's the 4gb model
It will do ya, don't expect to play at high tho
normal hawk
If I could , I'd go back in time and keep using my 970 longer (plus not hear "hu...
Your bottleneck is really only at 1080p isn't it for most games? Just play in 4k :p
ivory herald
Haha, 4K would be a definite FPS decrease depending on the game. I still do have my eye on the M27Q or something though. 60Hz display has no place as a primary gaming screen. 
Nah srsly though, 10 series was a fantastic advancement. Even if I setup a 160-170w limit, would still be 👌
normal hawk
Nice nice
heady turtle
I have the 4gb moedel
Pretty decent, it did me well, i was able to get like 180fps in overwatch at low at 1080p with an r5 3600 so it's grand for low gaming
lofty rampart
Pretty decent, it did me well, i was able to get like 180fps in overwatch at low...
Okok thank
marsh hollow
Haha, 4K would be a definite FPS decrease depending on the game. I still do have...
you actually rocking a i5 3550 with GTX 1080 Lmao?
vital oriole
oh no
marsh hollow
btw is the xbox one equivalent gpu good?
ivory herald
you actually rocking a i5 3550 with GTX 1080 Lmao?
watch the tone. Getting my money's worth and saving money/time by not upgrading cpu/mobo too often.
ivory herald
people overplay cpu bottlenecks. This was still a big upgrade from the 970. I simply lower certain cpu-related settings in some newer games. Have tons of older good games to play also, lol.
marsh hollow
okay good
should i be happy with a GTX 1050 Ti for esports and some easy games to run
gonna play Tomb Raider Triology too
and Control
i’m also planning to play valorant and LoL
Also more esports titles
keen nacelle
Most of those will run fine on 1050 ti
As for the newer tomb raiders, ehh
Pushing it a bit
ivory herald
I just saw a review and at 1080p it does 40ish FPS on rise of tomb raider w/ "very high" options. Bet it'll be much closer to 60+ fps w/ medium-ish settings. The TR games are pretty well optimized.
dreamy dragonBOT
SatanTheRealKing#8295 has been warned
heady turtle
😭
opal iron
Most are $200 on wegg but there all sold out
normal hawk
it performs a lil better than 580
Which sell for 300+ dollars right now do to mining
normal hawk
Most are $200 on wegg but there all sold out <a:why:856556590110736405>
Probably will be in shuffle for day of release. they did that with the 6600 and 6600xt
Will likely be our only chance on wegg to get them out of a bundle 😂
heady turtle
Those prices might not be bad. just to wait for benchmarks now
They're out now
normal hawk
oof
vital oriole
eef
normal hawk
Whats the rest of their build?
charred raft
Take a moment to look at the numbers though, who has 240+Hz 1080p monitor to see the difference?
heady turtle
5950x iirc
heady turtle
Take a moment to look at the numbers though, who has 240+Hz 1080p monitor to see...
You see the difference between 120 and 240 fps on a 60hz monitor.....
normal hawk
and most of the GPU's that are there are overpriced currently. both the 1660 and 580 anyway
long forge
$2350 for evga FTW3 ultra 3080ti or $2100 sealed rog 3080 white or $2000 like new rog 3080 white? All cad currency
normal hawk
$2350 for evga FTW3 ultra 3080ti or $2100 sealed rog 3080 white or $2000 like n...
Neither
heady turtle
$2350 for evga FTW3 ultra 3080ti or $2100 sealed rog 3080 white or $2000 like n...
Don't you alert have a 3090?
long forge
Don't you alert have a 3090?
I sold it to make some money, I don’t think I needed that much power but I do regret it a bit haha
normal hawk
I sold it to make some money, I don’t think I needed that much power but I do re...
3080 ti is basically the same power. just less vram
so if you think the 3090 is a waste, don't get the 3080 ti.
heady turtle
I sold it to make some money, I don’t think I needed that much power but I do re...
I hope for a nice profit lol, but yeah all tjose prices suck
charred raft
You see the difference between 120 and 240 fps on a 60hz monitor.....
But its 205 vs 191
Not 2x difference
heady turtle
But its 205 vs 191
But the 580 is a 5 year old gpu
charred raft
And it costs $400 rn
normal hawk
But the 580 is a 5 year old gpu
The 580 is also 400+$ right now
charred raft
So moot point if this is half cost
long forge
I hope for a nice profit lol, but yeah all tjose prices suck
Not bad I sold it too quick, should of been better profit oh well… but I’m getting desperate, if you had to choose of the 3 which is better?? Give or take maybe $50 less if I haggle
charred raft
Doubt it will stay at msrp but still
normal hawk
If I didn't have a PC and my choices were a 400$ 580 8gb and a 6500 XT I'd take the 6500 XT due to it being roughly half the price.
Also should be better temp wise.
keen nacelle
Which sell for 300+ dollars right now do to mining
Not really
heady turtle
The 580 is also 400+$ right now
Yeah but you can get like a 970 for ~200$ which would be better
keen nacelle
The 8gb is used often for mining
charred raft
Yeah but you can get like a 970 for ~200$ which would be better
At 2x the wattage
keen nacelle
Miners don't go out of their way for the 4gb model
Since it has to mine rvn, etc, or ergo
Eth requires 5gb+
heady turtle
At 2x the wattage
145w is double 110w
keen nacelle
Tho I can only think of one gpu with 5gb vram
charred raft
145w is double 110w <:pepehmmm:903335097305034783>
148w vs 107, fair enough
normal hawk
Look at ebay, newegg, and amazon for a 4gb 580 Bacca
charred raft
So yea buying used 970 is better than new 6500xt but it's gonna be used
heady turtle
Look at ebay, newegg, and amazon for a 4gb 580 Bacca
Doesn't matter, gtx 970 beats 580 and easy to get for 200$
heady turtle
So
keen nacelle
Look at ebay, newegg, and amazon for a 4gb 580 Bacca
Newegg and amazon