graphics-cards

[rich cedar]

After Nividia added like 4 new side model lines I was just kinda overwhelmed and like, well, AMD is a bit more straightforward and they don’t want my money as bad so yeah

[past sierra]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-1070-Ti-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-Graphics-Card-FTW2-Edition-/324955294726?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0

Just be ready to bud

Bid*

[timber dragon]

ight thx

[past sierra]

Also u know aio u don’t put the water in the water won’t come out right

[rich cedar]

Just like the 16s and then the supers, and mixed in with the 20 series and then the 30 series came out and then they had the 1650 and they are gonna add a Super and TI model, I was like, ffs I’m tired of all these choices so close together, so AMD still had the 500 series and new 5000 series which I couldn’t afford at the time so 580 it was, because that’s the card I had always wanted

[past sierra]

U should really think about a aio lowers temp and won’t hurt ur floors

[rich cedar]

AIO is expensive and it sounds complicated

[past sierra]

This is what I have

Easy to install

[rich cedar]

That is noice

[past sierra]

It just keeps temps down if u want to oc

[rich cedar]

I also like those screens that go over the CPU that tell you the temps and everything but they are pretty expensive

Like the NZXT one

[past sierra]

Oh yes those are probably regular water coolers harder to install and more expensive

What games u play?

[rich cedar]

Fallout 4, Minecraft, American Truck Sim, Farm Sim 22, Beamng Drive, uh, CS Go, and I want to get Dying Light 2 when it comes out

If it ever does

😂

[past sierra]

U don’t play Val or rust

[rich cedar]

I do not

🥺

[past sierra]

Unlucky

No fun for u then😂

[rich cedar]

Fallout 4 is pretty fun tbh

[past sierra]

I’ve seen but haven’t played

But I gtg nice talking to u

[rich cedar]

Buh byeeee

[timber dragon]

rust #1

[still frigate]

Is $200 good for a Gtx 970 4GB VRAM?

[rich cedar]

In todays market I’d have to say yes only because I cannot find any GPUs that are decent for less than 200 but I’m not an expert

[magic wing]

Kinda

Id look for a 980

[rich cedar]

Oh yeah I was thinking today about what if Nividia revamped their lineup and set aside cards just for miners as to not disrupt the gaming scene like they seem to be doing

Like an M series or something

[keen nacelle]

There are dedicated cards for miners

They just don't buy them

[rich cedar]

[keen nacelle]

There's asic miners too

And the miners aren't what is causing this market

They contribute to maybe 10% of demand

[rich cedar]

Interesting

[keen nacelle]

Amds upcoming apus could help a bit

And provide an alternative to mid range gpus

Only issue is, as of now there's only plans for mobile versions

[rich cedar]

I always liked the idea of a dedicated card tho

[keen nacelle]

There is no speculation of desktops rdna2 apus yet

[keen nacelle]

Performance is performance

[rich cedar]

I’m honestly more excited for the ARC GPUs

[keen nacelle]

If you want to overpay for a 1650 be my guest, but 6000 series apus are leaked to perform around that area

I'm picking up an rdna2 apu laptop this January

[rich cedar]

Yeah, I guess maybe something to consider down the road, less moving parts and less stuff in the case

[keen nacelle]

Expected to launch at CES

[keen nacelle]

Smaller psu

Less heat

Many pros

Not to mention

The 1650 perf is from a mobile chip

And we don't even know which mobile chip

That could be from the 6700hs or the 6900hx

That's why it's exciting to me

We could possibly see mid to high tier 16 series performance on an apu

[winged stag]

i will stop at nothing to get an msi suprim gpu. that's the most attractive gpu (to me at least). But instead, newegg said here take a ps5 bundle.

[rich cedar]

But if I wanted to update, I’d need a new APU entirely, not just replacing one card

Upgrade

[keen nacelle]

To go to a 6000 series chip you'd need a new mobo, because it will support ddr5-4800

Well

The mobile ones do

As I said no leaks about desktop versions, I dont think there will be any

I think we'll have to wait for 7000 series for desktop apus/ddr5 support from amd

Again this is my speculation

So take what I say with a grain of salt

But i have been paying very close attention to rdna2 apu leaks

[rich cedar]

I’m not planning on a platform upgrade anytime soon tbh

[keen nacelle]

And not a single one mentions a desktop chip

6900hx apu will be named 680m

[rich cedar]

Litterally just did one like 4 months ago lol

[still frigate]

Is it really that much better?

[keen nacelle]

Which makes me curious as to if they will be named after the rdna2 gpus

670m 660m

Etc

[keen nacelle]

Only two things that might change in my desktop are gpu and cpu, and that's Only if I find a 3080 fe at msrp

[magic wing]

Its worth 50$ price difference tbh

[rich cedar]

Damn

[keen nacelle]

My 3060 ti would go to a miner and I'd buy a 5600x and PL the 3080 to like 90%

Since I have a 650watt rmx and don't want to cut it too close

[rich cedar]

3080 FE is something of a pipe dream to me

[keen nacelle]

I've had a few chances at 3070 ti FEs

But I mine on the side and don't need a perf boost

So no reason to take the worse cooling and worse hashrate

And wasn't going to scalp to a gamer

Fhr 3080 has worse efficiency than fhr 3060 ti, but worth the jump in gaming perf

And miners are willing yo pay over 1k for my card so why not take the free upgrade

[rich cedar]

True

[keen nacelle]

I also had a chance at an msrp 3080 ti

Same thing tho

Also wouldn't even THINK of running that on a 650w

[normal hawk]

Yet I'm thinking of selling a 3080 for as much as I can cause its FHR

or I'll keep it in a box like I do with a lot of tech

probably that

[keen nacelle]

I'm in a stock drop discord and purely pay attention to it for FE 3070/80

[normal hawk]

Nice

[keen nacelle]

I might snag a 60 ti if I have the chance but idk

I dont feel bad about scalping miners

[normal hawk]

the 3080 I got was in a prebuilt I bought my brother. He was supposed to do some work with it and never got around to it so I told him I was gonna take the GPU cause he can't pay me back

[keen nacelle]

Wouldn't buy an lhr card tho

[keen nacelle]

Ah

[normal hawk]

If I sell any card it'll be the 5700XT cause thats just pure profit.

[keen nacelle]

Def

Easily get 800

If its a saphire nitro+ easily 900

[normal hawk]

Phantom Gaming D

[keen nacelle]

Not sure how that model performs

Only that it's still a 5700xt

And miners still love it

[past sierra]

Does mining hurt ur gpu performance a lot?

[keen nacelle]

If you're mining while gaming, depends on the game

But as long as Temps are fine, shouldn't be an issue

For mining while afk

I've been mining since may of this year on my card

[past sierra]

Not while playing I mean like a year or two down the line

[keen nacelle]

Fairly close to non stop for the last 5 months

No issues with jt

Temps are still good

It might wear out the thermal pads/paste, but that can always be replaced fairly easily

[past sierra]

I could mine from 6am-9pm all the time while I’m at work

[keen nacelle]

I've made almost 800$ from mining, not accounting for electricity

[past sierra]

Ohhhh

It’s the electricity

[keen nacelle]

1070 ti could probably make around 2$/24hr not account for electricity if I had to give a rough guess

[past sierra]

I’m like there gotta be a downside

[keen nacelle]

Earnings kinda suck rn tho

Im making 3$/24hr instead of 4-5 normally

[past sierra]

Oh yea

Damn that sucks

[normal hawk]

I see it for 970$ on Ebay and 1129 on Amazon. but there aren't a lot of them listed so who knows

[keen nacelle]

Amazon prices are irrelevant

And is that sold price

Or current prices

[normal hawk]

its the current bid price

on the ebay one

[keen nacelle]

Check sold prices

And wow I didn't know it was that high

[normal hawk]

How do I find the sold prices

[keen nacelle]

One sec

You on mobile?

[normal hawk]

No

[keen nacelle]

Seems the lowest recently sold is 910$

Highest 1100

[normal hawk]

Nice

[keen nacelle]

Could get around 1k for it probably

[normal hawk]

So basically, clean it up. take pretty pictures. get lucky

[keen nacelle]

Yep

Could also try hardwareswap, but I doubt you'll get over 850 there (even after sellers fees on ebay you'll still get more than 850)

[normal hawk]

well I mean either way I'm getting profit.

[keen nacelle]

Yep

[idle idol]

Aye can you still get more FPS if you upgrade to a overkill CPU to a Mid range GPU such as a RX 580?

[keen nacelle]

Depends on the game

On a gpu focused game you probably won't see more than a few fps difference

[idle idol]

Like Borderlands 3, R6S.

not sure if those are CPU heavy games.

[keen nacelle]

On cpu focused games like val and csgo it'd be a huge difference, but a potato can run those and you don't need anything high end ti get high fps

R6s is I believe, but what's your current cpu?

[idle idol]

AMD ryzen 5 2400g

[keen nacelle]

Eee

What's your mobo?

[idle idol]

For now I have a ASRock B450M HDV R4.0

[keen nacelle]

You could go to a 3600 depending on your mobo and see a pretty big upgrade

[idle idol]

but I am getting a new motherboard

[keen nacelle]

What mobo

B550 you could go for a 5600x

[idle idol]

Idk the name

but

It's the same brand

[keen nacelle]

B560 you could go for a 11400

Ah

Asrock b550 something or other?

[idle idol]

yea

oh I remeber now

[keen nacelle]

Phantom gaming, ac/itx

[idle idol]

ASRock B550 pro4

[keen nacelle]

Ah

You could go for a 5600x if you wanted, but thats definitely overkill for you. Are you planning to upgrade gpu in the future?

If so, what would you go for if you know?

[idle idol]

Yea but they're kinda hard to get for me still.

[keen nacelle]

What gpu do you want

[idle idol]

atleast a RX 6600 xt

or a RTX 3060

perferablly a RX 6600 XT

[keen nacelle]

Mmm

I guess 5600x

But it's still overkill for either if those gpus

3600 is bad to buy at msrp now

[idle idol]

mhm

checked at ebay

[keen nacelle]

So unless you're fine with used, go for 5600x

Also that board is a bit overkill for a 3600 lol

[idle idol]

lol

[mint basin]

If i have a 500w PSU, which of the 6X00 is the max one?

[keen nacelle]

If its the board I'm thinking of anyways

[keen nacelle]

What cpu

[idle idol]

6600

wait

wha-

[keen nacelle]

I wouldnt run over a 6600xt on that

[mint basin]

Ryzen 5 5600X

[keen nacelle]

One sec

6600xt easily

[idle idol]

Oh damn I might need to upgrade my PSU too..

[keen nacelle]

Depending on the psu maybe a 3060 ti, as long as you don't oc it. What's the model of it?

[idle idol]

I am rocking with a 500w

[keen nacelle]

What is it currently

What model

[idle idol]

Seasonic S12III

[mint basin]

Stock with Stylos STPGAC4B Black

it came with the case

[keen nacelle]

I'd change that

[idle idol]

to what

[keen nacelle]

I'd also change that

[mint basin]

In the AMD site they only have 6700XT+

[keen nacelle]

Corsair 650rmx was on sale the other day on amazon for 65$

[mint basin]

I'll try hunting there

[idle idol]

not bad for the price..

[keen nacelle]

Other than that I have no clue what a good psu is

Lmao

It's what I bought

Could also go for the 750/850 to leave headroom for the future

[idle idol]

I am currenty broke rn just bought a new damn 144hz monitor

[mint basin]

Thanks, i'll go for a 650 too

[keen nacelle]

Lemme check if it's still on sale

It is, but went up 20$

I dont think it's worth 85$

[idle idol]

Yea.

[keen nacelle]

Other people know more about psus than me

[idle idol]

I might get the EVGA 220 650W Gold

[keen nacelle]

Could ask in #cases-psu-and-cooling

[keen nacelle]

As someone who had an evga psu

I would do research on it

And ask people here

I wish I had

I paid 150$ for an evga 750bq from a local pc shop

60$ psu that started having issues 8 months after buying it

2.5x msrp for it

[idle idol]

I gotta find a job, I might work at my dads store tbh and save up for some new PC parts.

Graphics Card, CPU and a PSU.

[keen nacelle]

What kinda store does he have?

[idle idol]

It's a Boost Mobile Store.

[keen nacelle]

Ah

Cool

I got a job as soon as I turned 16

Well, tried

Took like 6 weeks

[idle idol]

Damn.

Well I turn 16 in like.. 2 1/2 months.

[keen nacelle]

Ah

Yeah over the summer I worked for a contractor

Because I was still 15

10$/hr under the table, pretty nice

Hard work tho

And i am not built for that work

Bad back, knees, ankles, and just weak lmao

[idle idol]

Lmao

Did your parents force you to pay bills as soon as you got the job?

[keen nacelle]

No

I pay for luxuries and stuff

And buy food every so often

Like if I want a laptop or smthn like that

[normal hawk]

yea thats what my parents did

[idle idol]

Ah ok, lmao.

[keen nacelle]

Like I paid for the psu

Also my pc

[normal hawk]

After I got a job, I bought everything I got. they didn't even pay for my phones. lol

[keen nacelle]

Next phone I get ill be paying for

[idle idol]

I almost had a job once at 15 but my mother's boss had covid and stuff and prevented me from getting that job.

[keen nacelle]

Funnily enough my parents barely let me spend my money

[idle idol]

If I were hired that day I would've made like..

[keen nacelle]

Which to a certain extent I understand

[idle idol]

1.5k as of today.

[keen nacelle]

But if I want to buy like 2 games I have to ask permission to use my own money

[normal hawk]

I think I put too much Vodka in my drink

[keen nacelle]

Never enough

[normal hawk]

its a screwdriver lmao. supposed to be more orange juice

[keen nacelle]

Top

[idle idol]

I believe your parents shouldn't have total control of how much you will spend.

[keen nacelle]

I'm 16, I have no clue what a screw driver in the terms of drinking is

[normal hawk]

2 parts orange juice, 1 part vodka

[keen nacelle]

Ah

I've had Moscato, a bit of beer, and fireball

Hated all of them

And that was legal btw

[idle idol]

I tried fireball once and it burned my throat

[keen nacelle]

Not stealing drinks or anything, drinking with parental supervision is legal (to a certain extent)

It didn't even burn

[idle idol]

for me it did

[keen nacelle]

It just tasted awful

[idle idol]

it was

[keen nacelle]

Well

It did burn

But thats not what i hated

Moscato is just weird

[normal hawk]

In most states its legal for parents/guardians to give minors alcohol as long as its not too much

[idle idol]

Yea taste is pretty bad for the cinnamon varient

[keen nacelle]

I dont like the carbonation combined with the fruity flavor

[keen nacelle]

I am in one of these

I think

Lmao

[normal hawk]

try something like a cranberry vodka

[keen nacelle]

Someday

And no that was not legal

Ima delete that

It also helps with my migraines

I get them weekly

[idle idol]

RTX 2060 went 200$ less now

since February 2021

on newegg atleast

[keen nacelle]

How much

[idle idol]

back then it was 918$

[keen nacelle]

Ahhhhhh

No

You can buy an lhr 3060 ti if the prices haven't gone up on r/hardwareswap for that

[idle idol]

ah

I might have to buy a used Graphics Card if things dont get better in 2022

man people are still price scalipng 16 series

scalping*

[keen nacelle]

6000 series apus are coming out soon

They might improve prices on mid range cards

Or they'll just become just as scalped

Well have to see

[idle idol]

I heard that Congress is supposed to ban bots from buying up high demand products.

But, I am pretty sure that isn't going to pass.

[keen nacelle]

I think there were rumors about it

Which I find hilarious

The government helping people get gpus lmfao

[idle idol]

lmao

yea GTX 1070 ti prices are better than the GTX 1660 supers and Tis

but I need to bid..

[keen nacelle]

Wait just a bit

The apus come out January 4th most likely

[idle idol]

Mkay,

[magic wing]

They arent gonna beat a 1070ti tho

Id snag it

[keen nacelle]

Ofc not

I mean they could bring down prices for mid range cards, depending on availability

I'd go for a 600$ laptop that has 1650 perf over an 800$ desktop with 1650 perf

Idk it's just speculation, you could bid for reasonably priced ones

But I wouldnt overpay for a gpu rn

[idle idol]

Bro I had a laptop once that had a AMD ryzen 3 3200u with veag 3 graphics and..

It stutters so bad that the system would shut off.

Not sure if that was the temps

but temps usually reach around 90-98 degrees C.

while gaming

[keen nacelle]

That's because vega 3 isn't exactly good

An rdna2 apu was leaked to perform around a 1650

We have no clue which apu it was though

It could've been the best or it could be the worst

[idle idol]

But I am pretty sure that APU will probably need a good cooler to get those results

same performance as a GTX 1650

inside of a little CPU

[keen nacelle]

Not really

I'd be surprised if the chips pass 60w

[idle idol]

mhm

Quick questions does Doom Eternal use mainly your CPU

or GPU

[keen nacelle]

No clue

[normal hawk]

I think.its CPU like most esports title's. Not sure though

At 1080p the GPU is the limiter nevermind

[idle idol]

Mkay because I shouldn't get 30 FPS on medium settings using a RX 580

probably my CPU then

when I am look at far distance.

short distance is usually 120-144

[keen nacelle]

2400g is a less than par cpu

I would barely pair a 3400g with a 580

[ashen nacelle]

Is 3070 and ryzen 7 5700x good

[keen nacelle]

5700x doesn't exist

If you mean 5700g don't buy that

[ashen nacelle]

Wait

[keen nacelle]

5600x beats 5700g

Because 5700g is an apu

[magic wing]

2400g is fine with a rx580

[keen nacelle]

Isn't it worse than a 1600af

[ashen nacelle]

Nvrm I mean 5800x

Sorry

[keen nacelle]

5800x is very hot

[magic wing]

No its slightly worse than a 3400g

Both are zen+

[keen nacelle]

Oh it is?

Didn't know that

[ashen nacelle]

I was planning on getting an Arctic freezer 34 esports duo cooler

[keen nacelle]

Sorry

[magic wing]

Not really, its just hard to cool

[keen nacelle]

Never heard of that

[magic wing]

I wouldnt do that

[keen nacelle]

It sounds like a money grab

[magic wing]

Id go with either the frost spirit 140 or the arctic freezer 280mm or 360mm

[keen nacelle]

I tried typing that out

[magic wing]

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_5_2400g-858-vs-amd_ryzen_5_3400g-953

[quartz gull]

Anything with eSports or gaming in the name makes me weary

[keen nacelle]

But with galahad instead of frost spirit

Auto correct made that so hard

[keen nacelle]

I wasn't saying that as in I didn't believe you

I was saying it as in i didn't know that

[magic wing]

Nah just replied to random comment

[keen nacelle]

Ah

[magic wing]

Btw i was wrong 2400g is zen

But not too far apart in perf

[keen nacelle]

Yeah

Didn't know that

3000 series was zen2 right?

[cerulean rover]

3400g is zen+

[keen nacelle]

I can never keep the zen thing right

[cerulean rover]

3600 is zen 2

[magic wing]

Yeah

[keen nacelle]

I meant the cpu cpus not apus

Sorry

[magic wing]

All 3000 series apus are zen+

[keen nacelle]

I'm tired and have a migraine I cannot think clearly

[cerulean rover]

I said both just in case

[keen nacelle]

Speaking of ima go before I say more dumb things

Gn

[dreamy dragon]

TopPercent#8947 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[normal hawk]

What

Oml i have to type all that again

2000G is Zen
3000G is Zen +

4000G is Zen 2 and 5000G is Zen 3

6000G will be Zen 3+ on AM5, not Zen 4. According to leaks.

[keen nacelle]

That I knew

Because I'm very interested in rdna2 apus

Also I couldn't sleep

[normal hawk]

5000G will be the only ones to match the generation it looks like 😅

[keen nacelle]

So I'm back

[cerulean rover]

5600g uses zen 3 but halves the cache so its still worse than 5600x in the same generation

so they had to hamper the APU somehow

[normal hawk]

I know, I'm referring to the architecture

[cerulean rover]

Was just pointing out pattern

[quartz gull]

I had a dream to where I built a rocket from scratch to fly to the moon to go to this PC moon shop to buy an MSRP 3070

It's literally infecting my dreams

[ivory herald]

[vivid onyx]

someone know a good place in Europa from where I can to buy with a good price GPU? because I can't to buy nothing from SUA.

[quartz gull]

I wish an MSRP card was as easy as building a rocket for a round trip mission to the Moon

Maybe in 2022 it'll be that easy

[ivory herald]

Easier*

[crude depot]

Anyone have a in for a 6800xt? I have a 3070 brand new to work with.

[dreamy dragon]

Dayem bin saif#0429 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[rustic pulsar]

What

[crude depot]

@rustic pulsar Yeah that was confusing. I am wanting a 6800xt. I just got a 3070 evga ftw3 in a bundle and have not opened it. Seeing I'd anyone knows the best way to snag one. Or has one they don't want/ wants a 30 series card.

[rich cedar]

Wish I had the money for a 30 series lol

Just out of curiosity how much would@you want?

[keen nacelle]

Not allowed to buy, sell, or trade things in this discord server

[rich cedar]

ffs okay?

all the other buy sell servers arent great lol

prices are still through the roof lol

i was looking at a 6600 XT and they are like 400 bucks above msrp

[ivory herald]

$500 for non ti 3060 hahaha. Good price for 3070 though? Almost want to resell but I guess that's pointless

[rich cedar]

waew

[ivory herald]

I only entered 1 or 2 shuffles. Don't expect to "win" one.

[rich cedar]

a 6600XT at msrp would be nice eventually i guess

380 bucks

[mental garnet]

Msrp? Msrp doesn't exist anymore don't ya know?

[rich cedar]

yeah, its sad

[mental garnet]

I'd like to upgrade from my GTX 770 but that ain't gonna happen

Went from using my Bros old 750ti, to my dad's old 770. Everything else in my case is new except for the GPU. It's really bottlenecking my computer

[quartz gull]

Honestly I'd take the 3060 and sell my 2060 for $450 at this point

$50 stop gap until 2023

When GPUs should normalize

[rich cedar]

2023????

damn

[quartz gull]

We got 2 years until this is over, be strong

Yeah holiday 2023

[rich cedar]

so almost 2024

[quartz gull]

Yep

[rich cedar]

🥲

[mental garnet]

Sad times

[rich cedar]

i should have graduated Ranken Tech by then so that will be a plus

[quartz gull]

The demand seems to be a permanent increase so only the fabs coming online in 2023 will fix this probably

[mental garnet]

Not really "demand"so much as scalpers grabbing everything they can

[quartz gull]

Nvidia, Intel, and Sony have predicted second half 2023

[mental garnet]

Only to run em into the dirt mining

[quartz gull]

Oh you fail to understand how popular mining is right now, and it's probably not going anywhere. Even with proof of stake for Ethereum

Gaming demand is also up 35% since 2019

For everything including consoles

[rich cedar]

why dont they just buy Titans?

[quartz gull]

Oh they would, only thing not worth would be Quadro cards

I see people selling rx 580s and advertising mh/s in the listings even...

[ivory herald]

$450 for your gpu or mine is a good payback, but $550ish after tax seems crap for the new 60 series when 2 steps up is $750ish.

[rich cedar]

i dont plan on ever doing any mining with mine

[quartz gull]

Our best hope is honestly 4GB cards. You can't mine most things without 5+GB of vram

[mental garnet]

I seriously just want something marginally better than my 770 thatll somewhat keep up with modern games till the better cards become more common and available

[quartz gull]

Depends on if I win though. I'll honestly take it at this point. My vram limits me in some games

[rich cedar]

hmmmm

[mental garnet]

But I ain't gonna drop 600 on something that's like 5% better than my 770

[ivory herald]

Sell while demand is nuts when you find a 980 or better for $200-250 👍 🤘

[quartz gull]

Oh people over here sell 970's for $120-150 locally

[rich cedar]

the issue is that kind of card doesnt really hold value real well when you go to sell unless its an old flagship

[quartz gull]

If you're willing to take just a 50% increase

[mental garnet]

I still have my 750ti

[quartz gull]

I usually sell my 60's card every 2 years and buy a new 60's card

[rich cedar]

i have a 710 but its shite

[quartz gull]

It's like a $100-150 upgrade every 2 years

[rich cedar]

thats why i upgraded

[ivory herald]

Weather is also a slight factor currently. No 4x4 so I'm not going out much w/ 1+ ft of snow

[quartz gull]

Here in Colorado we were hotter than Phoenix Arizona 2 days last week

We still haven't had a snow where I am

Denver literally is snowless

Nothing more than 1/4 inch

Like it's bad

[mental garnet]

It's been cold here surprisingly

[ivory herald]

Floppa says stuff like that, near portland. Shows how local stuff varies. Last year I sold my 970 for $160. They're worth more now generally

[rich cedar]

the 900 series cards are solid

[quartz gull]

I also picked up a $75 get 1030 not too long ago

I did a $350 flip

[rich cedar]

i cant belive they have lasted this long and are still fairly relevant

[quartz gull]

I bought a 10700f prebuilt with no GPU for $325 (he asked for $400 and couldn't sell it)

Slapped the gt 1030 in it

Put in a 250gb sata SSD

Sold it for $700

[rich cedar]

waew

[quartz gull]

I guess after GPU it's only a $300

Still it wasn't bad flip

[ivory herald]

770 blows away 760/960 at least. 1060 is the 1st 60 tier to be decent for it's name.

[quartz gull]

People are selling prebuilts with no GPU in then for stupid cheap here

[rich cedar]

interesting

[quartz gull]

Because people are buying prebuilts to scalp the GPUs

[ivory herald]

I had a 260 then 660 in the past 🤘

[quartz gull]

The sell the GPU for the price of the prebuilt

[rich cedar]

lemme see what my old 710 is currently worth lol

[quartz gull]

I had a gt 8800 in my first computer, don't know cpu

[rich cedar]

damn, 100 bucks??? id really take that rn tbh

[ivory herald]

Yeah, should be cheap when it's turned into a general desktop.

[quartz gull]

Then did a phenom 1055t and hd7770

Then an i5 6400 and gtx 1050 2gb
(Sister has that now)

[rich cedar]

the question is would someone actually pay 100 for my old card lol

and i think no

[ivory herald]

My 4th or 5th gpu was 8800 gts 512, kind of like the 8800 gtx but w/ diff Vram

[quartz gull]

Then an i5 8400 and 1060
Then an 8600k and 2060
And now what I have now

I'm only 21 and got my first computer at 10 lol

[rich cedar]

noice

[ivory herald]

That was to Tulip .my E8400 was better than your 8400. (Issa joke)

[quartz gull]

Ah the Legendary c2d e8400

[stone siren]

I'm rocking a 1070 Mini. I want a 3060 though

[rich cedar]

@stone siren your in here too?

[stone siren]

I was thinking the same thing

[rich cedar]

lmao

tf is a 1070 mini?

[quartz gull]

I'd pay the $50-100 after tax to upgrade to a 3060 rn

[quartz gull]

Just a small normal 1070

Not an official variant

[stone siren]

Zotac GTX 1070 Mini

[ivory herald]

Like a 1fan card w/ a short pcb

[rich cedar]

oo

[quartz gull]

It's a full power 1070 just smol

[stone siren]

It is an official variant

[rich cedar]

o.o

[stone siren]

Mine is currently sitting in an ATX build, when it's meant for ITX builds

[quartz gull]

I meant it's not altered from a 1070 in any way in terms of clocks or anything. Not like a ti or super or max q

[stone siren]

I can't send links just yet damn

Actually no, it's just the Zotac website

Let me find the Newegg link

https://www.newegg.com/zotac-geforce-gtx-1070-zt-p10700g-10m/p/N82E16814500408?Item=9SIB1PGFBX6378&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIB1PGFBX6378-_-12292021

[quartz gull]

$1000? What a steal I'mma buy it rn

[stone siren]

It was a $300 card back in 2017 when it was released

Chip shortage sadly made it $1000

[ivory herald]

3060 non Ti I'd skip for sure, unless sub-$450 at the max.

[stone siren]

I want the 12GB VRAM, I'm getting the non Ti

[keen nacelle]

That isn't how performance works

[ivory herald]

Normalize not paying 50% over msrp lol

[keen nacelle]

3060 ti is much better than 3060

2070 super with 8gb beats 3060

[ivory herald]

My 1080 almost beats the 3060.

[keen nacelle]

So does 2080, 2080 super, 2080 ti, 3070, 3070 ti, 3080, all with less vram

Let alone the amd cards that beat it

[ivory herald]

OC'd a bit* LuL

[keen nacelle]

Vram isn't how you measure performance

[stone siren]

I guess I'll just not say anything about graphics cards if I'm just going to get absolutely slayed.

[keen nacelle]

Bruh

I corrected a mistake

Wasn't insulting you

It's a common misconception

[ivory herald]

They might want 12GB for certain games, idk. Easy there Bacca lol

[keen nacelle]

The 3060 will never use more than 8gb unless you're playing at 4k, and who would run 4k on a 3060

[ivory herald]

For sure. 4K wouldn't be great on that or anything like mine. Not gonna play only a few old games at 4k then switch res/display for lower res w/ newer games.

[stone siren]

My monitor doesn't even do 4K, it'll be running a lot of games at ultra in 1080p

Scratch that, all games at Ultra

[ivory herald]

Same. I might also skip 1440p for longer & just get a good new 1080p that's more than 60Hz then have dual monitors too. Too many choices to pick from !

[quartz gull]

Vram only matters if you're hitting your limit

Like I am in some games angy noises

I can't even play doom with the two highest presets!

[ivory herald]

1440p or what? Gpu reviews always show doom 2016/eternal getting good gps. Oh, 6GB...

[quartz gull]

Eternal

It uses more than 6gb vram. Literally doesn't let you toggle the highest 2 presets at 1080p

[ivory herald]

The extra 2GB deffo is a big help. Oh yikes.

[quartz gull]

You can't do nightmare or ultra nightmare on a 2060 or any 6gb card

Literally doesn't let you turn it on because it'd run so poorly

That's the only reason I want an upgrade so bad, 6GB of vram is not enough for the power of the 2060

[past sierra]

Nom

[stone siren]

I have a 1080p 144Hz display, single monitor, but I want two more

[ivory herald]

Really makes me think of the 1060, even though the 3 GB had less cores or something also.

[ivory herald]

3 would be best just to try a 90ish inch setup in some games. Alt tabbing so much w/ 1 screen is the big thing huh, & easily seeing stuff in 2nd screen while gaming

[stone siren]

That's why I want additional monitors, so I can stop Alt+tab

[bronze zodiac]

Having at least 2 monitors is straight up next level, you'll NEVER want to go back

[warped ravine]

Don't forget, some people need that extra VRam for GPU rendering, it isn't always about gaming 😄

[quartz gull]

Yeah, not as bad as the 2gb 1050 nowadays though. That thing is almost 1050ti in performance without any vram lol

Honestly just the idea of upgrading to a 3060 excites me at this point

I just want more vram lol

[ivory herald]

50 series & below is usually a huge drop. Never had one

[quartz gull]

They're actually great cards, 75 watt cards are op

$100-200 optiplex + $150 card = amazing value

That was how I did my i5 6400 + GTX 1050 2gb build. Found an i5 6400 optiplex for an outstanding $25 at a garage sale

[ivory herald]

Of course 3050 (Ti) will be different because of it's overall performance mainly. Oh, I've just gotten used to nearly maxing out settings.

[quartz gull]

I have too, which is why my current vram is annoying me so much. I can't even max out textures in battle field or doom eternal

[ivory herald]

No power cable is op for sure, at least for a clean build. Still waiting for 1080 performance at 75w

[normal hawk]

Radeon 6400 is the only 75W card on the horizon. RTX 3050 is 90W I believe

Maybe Asus will give us what we want and make a LP (underclocked) RTX 3050 to get it down to 75W but at that point whats the purpose lmao.

[ivory herald]

A strix 3050 w/ 1 fan, lol. Tbh it could have no fan probably, seeing how well my hsf works

[normal hawk]

Right now rumor is:
RTX 3050 4GB/8GB 90W TDP
RTX 3050 TI 6GB/12GB Unknown TDP

[prime jolt]

I purchased a 980 for my brothers first PC and the computer runs wonderfully with my 2070 in it, but I can’t get any video out of the 980 through the HDMI ports or Displayports. The card lights up and spins as it should, is the card screwed or should I try anything in particular?

[keen nacelle]

if they give the 3050 ti 12gb

[normal hawk]

it'll be more nerfed than the 3060 due to the limited bus

[ivory herald]

Top 1 or 2 tier of previous gen continue to best certain lower tier "next" gen stuff 👍

[frank prairie]

for the 3060 ti whats a good processer for it

that go's good with it it

[lone pond]

3990x threadripper amd

totally

I was jk

@frank prairie

[frank prairie]

lol

i looked it up

[lone pond]

Tbh

Ryzen 5 5600x

bruh

[cerulean rover]

Any decent CPU will do

[normal hawk]

^

[cerulean rover]

5600x 10400 11400 12600 etc whatever you want

[lone pond]

bing chilling 🥶🍦

[normal hawk]

Most games don't do multithreading well, so most 6 cores should do fine.

The only exception i can think of is the FX 6300.

[cerulean rover]

bulldozer was dumb anyways

but anything from the last 2-3 generations from either AMD or Intel will do fine

[normal hawk]

What should I do with the FX 6300? Is it meh enough to turn it into a keychain or something?

[frank prairie]

@cerulean rover I would not know the difference - my PC i just needs upgrades needs Cooling fan- and more ram aswell

[normal hawk]

What's your budget? And what's your current PC?

Might be better just to get a Prebuilt if your platform is older imo.

[frank prairie]

current PC i just got is Acer Predator orion 3000 Budget is like $300-400

[normal hawk]

Include the GPU in your budget.

And which Orion is it? What's your CPU and GPU?

[frank prairie]

intel i7 NVidia 3060 ti ram is 16gb ddr4

[normal hawk]

You should be fine with those specs.

[frank prairie]

i heard it get real hot small tower too

real small case

[normal hawk]

Yeah, a lot of the OEM PC's get pretty hot.

If you download MSI afterburner you can check the temps.

[frank prairie]

OK. anything i can do to keep it cool- only reason i wanted to upgrade i plan on playing games like halo-apex-cs go

[normal hawk]

No reason to upgrade CPU/GPU. You could probably see if you can add more fans.

Could also add more airflow by taking off a panel.

Is this the case you have?

[frank prairie]

yes thats it

[normal hawk]

I'd see if you can add another intake fan, but i doubt it.

[frank prairie]

thanx

[ivory herald]

Any 10 gen i5 or better pretty much. For instance in games a 11400 is very close to 11600/700. Depending on game

[naive jacinth]

Hello

[past sierra]

@naive jacinth hello

[ivory herald]

Just saw this end: A full $350ish over most 1080's, yikes. (That's not factoring in money when selling old card)

[past sierra]

🤦🏽‍♂️

[ivory herald]

Not technically a ton more than it's msrp so good for whoever bought it

[mint basin]

So i got an RX6600 for $420 (nice, i know it's expensive) and my current GPU is an Nvidia, what do i have to do to prepare for the change? i've read that there's some drivers issues or something when going from green to red or viceversa, my CPU doesn't have integrated graphics but i have the chrome remote desktop if that's needed though.

[ivory herald]

Use DDU during/after normal driver uninstall 👍

[mint basin]

what's the official site for the download? there are about 7 "official" DDUs on google hahaha

[ivory herald]

Checking

[mint basin]

Also, do i install the AMD drivers before the Nvidia uninstall or is the removal of the Nvidia a must before even thinking on downloading the AMD drivers? (so then i must use the chrome remote desktop?)

[ivory herald]

Idk about this lower one, but guru3d js pretty legit

[ivory herald]

You can download the amd drivers anytime, just don't install obviously until after removing all Nvidia stuff and doing the 1 or 2 reboots

[mint basin]

Looks like the Wagnard is the official site actually

[mint basin]

Ok, it'll be weird to use my phone as the PC screen for a few minutes-hour hahaha

Thanks

"Wagnard Tools (DDU,GMP,TDR Manipulator, new CPU Core Analyzer)-(Updated 11/23/2021)" Title on an Nvidia forum post

[ivory herald]

I never used it haha, just cCleaner once or twice, but I've only had Nvidia. ---why phone as screen? You can use a pc w/o gfx drivers. Windows 10/11 has good builtin drivers also.

[mint basin]

Oh, so i can use my current nvidia card without the drivers?

[ivory herald]

Yep

[mint basin]

I thought i had to remove the GPU when installing the AMD drivers and stuff xD

[ivory herald]

Oh right. I mean with Nv gpu, uninstall drivers, and/or run ddu. Maybe restart if it asks, or shutdown. Install AMD gpu, boot up, then run amd drivers & maybe 1 more reboot then you're set.

[mint basin]

Ah ok, so first get done with all Nvidia, then start doing all AMD hahaha now i get it, thanks and sorry if my questions were too obvious, this is my first time changing GPUs let alone team

[ivory herald]

No problem. You're welcome. It's pretty similar to what I do when simply upgrading drivers I guess. I don't upgrade right on top of another installed set. Think I'll try ddu next time though just for kicks (it's mostly when switching brands though)

[mint basin]

Ok, thanks again and i'll tell you how it went when i get my hands on my new shining GPU, going from a GT710 to an RX6600 will be a huge change xD

[ivory herald]

Cool, right on. Yeah, slight upgrade there :

[mint basin]

Also, it says to open the program in safe mode, does that require to go into the F12/F2/Fwhatever startup menu and stuff?

when booting up my PC

[ivory herald]

Something like that because safemode/bios varies by mobo, and it's if you cared to use safe mode. Guess it couldn't hurt. -- more likely gets all old files i think

Sure is a reaction test with an ssd huh.

[mint basin]

Ok, i've haven't actually booted up in safe mode in more than a decade xD last time i done it, it was because i was with IT on the phone while on XP and boy did the resolution went way down hahaha

[ivory herald]

Usually a few safemod options like "with ethernet" but i guess the resolution might do it's usually thing like that. Been a while since I also used safe mode. Don't recall it being all that different in use. What's cool is later after a few reboots when you're done w/ Nv stuff, resolution might be fine even before jnstalling amd drivers. That's just Windows 10 being helpful

[lone pond]

Would anyone know if a ryzen 7 3700X would bottleneck my RX 6900 XT?

[mint basin]

AMD Ryzen 7 3700X (Clock speed at 100%) with AMD Radeon RX 5600M (Clock speed at 100%) x1 will produce 14.83% of GPU bottleneck on 1080p resolution.

It would be the other way around, the CPU would be the bottleneck if i read that correctly as it was simulated using the RX 5600M and not the newer 6900XT

[lone pond]

Wait

[ivory herald]

Not bottleneck per se, but example is i9-10900 would be 10-15% faster in games

[lone pond]

A RX 5600 mobile? The laptop gpu?

[ivory herald]

Uh, that's way different. Gpu would be the " bottleneck" not the cpu I'd say

[mint basin]

The site says
Use: In desktops

[lone pond]

I'm just asking from this post off the RX 5600M he said not if it caused bottlenecks there. Sorry for being unclear

I was asking if it was the mobile gpu

[mint basin]

I used pc-builds com / calculator, i checked with the 5600XT and the bottleneck is still the GPU but down to 9% you can go check if you want, it doesn't have the 6000 series yet so that's just an assumption

[cerulean rover]

bottleneck calculators suck though

[lone pond]

Hmmm well I'm not going to go to an intel cpu due to new mb so ig I'll got with a Ryzen 7 5800x

[cerulean rover]

Like how do you even define a bottleneck, even before giving some arbitrary percentage for it

[mint basin]

Well the cpu-agent calculator has a ton of stats and comparaisons with an equivalent to the intel cpu

[lone pond]

Yes and no, if you oc a card or cpu then you might get inaccurate bottlenecks and not all cpus are the same but if everything was at base clock and not factory oc then it is a better guess

[mint basin]

Well from my understanding a bottleneck would be the slower component of the PC, in this case seeing if the GPU can handle everything that the CPU can throw at it and viceversa, my knowledge in this field is super limited to what i've been reading in the last 3 months so all i can say is what the calculators throw

[lone pond]

Yeah this is about right ^

[cerulean rover]

The thing is, that has to compare against some kind of arbitrary "optimal" performance, which we don't really have a way to measure

[cerulean rover]

And the problem is, all those stats about the architecture can't be directly compared

[mint basin]

Well the one from cpu-agent compares it to the equivalent intel CPU using the same GPU stats (fps in a couple of games and other stuff)

[cerulean rover]

And again, different programs use different amount of resources, some will use the CPU more than others

[lone pond]

I'm sure it isn't based off of one item if that's what you mean but has an average and takes out any outliers

[cerulean rover]

and another problem is how they got those stats

[lone pond]

The same way userbenchmark would get them or 3DMark

[mint basin]

I get that, but if the option is just guessing... then i'd go with a better hunch than just gut

[cerulean rover]

I am of the belief that the other option is more analysis than trust a number from a calculator that doesn't actually mean anything

[ivory herald]

Idk, we can just sort of say that a certain combo is xx % faster than another setup w/ just a cpu or gpu change

[mint basin]

Also they have fps readings on some different popular games running at high+ quality settings and some streaming content and whatnot, dunno how they get them if they do the work themselves (yeah, right) or just get some averages from other's setup

[cerulean rover]

Looking at cpu agent, there's no info on how this bottleneck number came to be

A random setup I could grab other testing data if necessary

Having data for fps is great, but what exactly is that bottleneck number

[lone pond]

I think this bottleneck was more based on the monitor

[mint basin]

Just go down and compare FPS if you don't trust the bottleneck number :v

[lone pond]

I could be far of and it's just a guess but 1080p isn't what is normally paired with a RTX 3080 and r9 5950x

[cerulean rover]

Yes, I'm looking at that, but where exactly is this coming from

20% bottleneck by what

[mint basin]

more data = better desitions

[ivory herald]

That's dumb for sure. So something is limiting overall performance by 20%, but they don't say?

[cerulean rover]

what is this 20%

where is this 20%

how did it get 20%

[ivory herald]

2.0%* lol

[cerulean rover]

like are they comparing streaming perf to non-streaming perf?

[mint basin]

Well just looking at the comparaison, the CPU is the bottleneck because the other one is the I9 and is the only different part of the setup here

[cerulean rover]

and why are they using x264 when NVENC is much better for performance?

???

nothing on the bottleneck makes sense on cpu agent

[ivory herald]

Wish I had a certain i5 or i7 of each gen to really see how much they effect overall performance

[cerulean rover]

also, what the hell is a -2% bottleneck supposed to mean

Why is the 4k bottleneck number higher for the left side when the 4k fps number is higher on the left side?

[mint basin]

Are you done venting? xD it's just a site for an arbitrary number for an equally arbitrary question... at the end of the day if you want to compare something just search the internet and get more data than what i gave you :v

[cerulean rover]

Yes, that's what I'm trying to argue for, get your information elsewhere

[mint basin]

And again "my knowledge in this field is super limited to what i've been reading in the last 3 months so all i can say is what the calculators throw"

[cerulean rover]

Because bottleneck calculators suck

I'm hoping I can tell you why bottleneck calculators suck

[mint basin]

Yes i understand why they suck, i never said anything about it being absolute and also i said "more data=better desitions" and never said to only use the calculator

[cerulean rover]

I'm trying to say don't use the calculator at all because the data is wack

how does it, for example, explain 5950x having a higher FPS but being a worse bottleneck at 4k?

It straight up doesn't even make sense

[lone pond]

Alright back to the question that's started this lol will I be able to notice a bottleneck with my ryzen 7 3700X and rx 6900 xt on a 1440p 16:9 ratio monitor

[cerulean rover]

What game?

[mint basin]

"notice"? then that's another question alltogether xD

[lone pond]

That true my b

[cerulean rover]

And what resolution?

[lone pond]

Control 1440p

[cerulean rover]

Control gonna be a bit weird, assuming no RTX?

[lone pond]

Yk what would have been funny, me saying among us

Ray tracing ? Only on low, not much of a difference I can see

The RTX from Nvidia was dlss and Ray tracing but I had a 3060 and never used dlss because it was a 1080p display at medium high settings getting 70 to 90 fps

[cerulean rover]

Most people don't do testing on Control, but taking a look at tom's hardware testing with a 3090, 3090 performs pretty similar to 6900xt from other testing, geomean data from 8 games at 1440p, comparing 5950x to 3950x should be a good comparison for 5800x to 3700x

There would be a difference between 3700x and 5800x, in some games more than others.

[lone pond]

Alr I don't play to many cpu intensive games or use cpu intensive software so I think I should be fine there

[cerulean rover]

Most testing doesn't have 3700x and 5800x with a current gen gpu sadly, but well, there is some difference there

[lone pond]

I am pretty sure I'll be fine so thank you for the help @mint basin @cerulean rover and @ivory herald

[ivory herald]

Testing various parts can take quite a while. I just wish bottleneck wasn't thrown around so liberally

[cerulean rover]

You're welcome, hopefully you now understand some of the nuisances behind a bottleneck

It's just such a wacky term tbh

[mint basin]

Yeah, just the use of bottleneck shouldn't be used in a "1-2 generation" divide really

[cerulean rover]

Putting one word to a complex concept and trying to quantify it into one number

Even in a situation that's specific enough, does x bottleneck y in z game, what even is a bottleneck other than comparing the performance to the optimal performance?

Say we're looking at 10900k bottlenecking 3090 in far cry 5, what else can we do but compare that performance to 12900k and 3090 in far cry 5, and therefore aren't we just comparing 10900k to the best CPU we currently have, and therefore not the best CPU we will ever have?

[ivory herald]

People should just say, yes an i9-99999 w/ a rtx 55555 might give 10% more fps than using an i7-7777

[cerulean rover]

We definitely have a lot of data comparing CPU to CPU and GPU to GPU

and that's what most of the bottlenecking questions devolve into

Should I get A or B, which one bottlenecks less, but the bottlenecking question is much harder to answer than the A against B question

welp, that's enough ranting for now

[ivory herald]

Indeed. Times were simpler with an example like E8400 vs Q9650. It was just dual core vs quad core & at the time many games didn't use the extra cores much lol.

I keep forgetting there's still i3 and Pentium/celeron stuff. R.i.P.

[lone pond]

Wait 1 last question though, this one I have no clue how to do but how do I OC my powercolor 6900 xt, it has the factory oc but I don't feel like that makes much of a difference compared to silent mode. Would I use the Radeon software for OC or msi afterburner. I tried learning on a gtx 750 ti but that boot took forever due to old computer

[lone pond]

Sometimes I do too but then I remember this micro Asus build from 2011? With a pentium dual core I believe and a G100

It could be 2013 or older

I know one thing about OC, its that the base and boost clock speeds are 100(mhz)? apart

[ivory herald]

Pentium series is way better now, the the i3 is a step up (sometimes w/ HT). As for OC gpu, I'm used to Nvidia and MSI afterburner. If a radeon is like nvidia boost, an OC actually doesn't help all that much & power usage can jump a lot. The funny part is seeing lower voltage while oc'd compared to stock.

Mhm, Boost is like a temporary OC that's based on load/temp, etc. Generally we do a flat OC where we increase both base & boost. Some people also just make the "base" way higher. Example: my base is 1700mhz and boost is 1900mhz, but ingame I'm often at 1950ish. That's before even setting an OC

[lone pond]

Wait I just realized why I haven't started this lol I don't have any headroom for an OC, I barely have the minimum psu, I'd need to upgrade that from a 850 to a 1000 or a 1200 of I want a ton of room

My bad

[ivory herald]

OCing often is the company leaving tons of "room on the table", so if your gpu works pretty good don't worry about too high of an OC

[lone pond]

Nah I got to get the extra 3 fps on among us

Sounded funnier in my head

[tall lichen]

Hey bros and broettes, should I queue up for a 1660? It's 230 US buckers. I just thought I'd be more likely to get that gpu

That or the 1650 super

[lone pond]

What's your current gpu?

If you have one

[heady turtle]

Uhhh where is selling a 1660 new?

[tall lichen]

r7 370 4GB

[lone pond]

Everywhere, Amazon newegg eBay

[tall lichen]

EVGA

But they have a queue system atm

[heady turtle]

Ahh

Yeah worth it

[lone pond]

Some do, I might be able to find one from newegg that you can buy

Do you care about a $50-100 difference @tall lichen

[tall lichen]

Uh... maybe

I want to spend up to around $250

[lone pond]

Hmmm ok I'll try and help, I'll send links in dms :D

[tall lichen]

I'm also in a queue for the 1660 super but they cost the same as the two gpus but they're better too. It's just that I thought I could open my options more in terms of probability

[lone pond]

The 1660 ti is better than the super btw, found that out and I was surprised

[ivory herald]

I'd aim for the best gpu of a group that you're thinking about

[lone pond]

^

[heady turtle]

Not by a huge amount and that's usually the case with ti vs super, usually pretty close in perf

[tall lichen]

Really? I thought they weren't that much better

[lone pond]

Yeah its more of which ones cheaper on that

[tall lichen]

That's what I thought

[tall lichen]

group?

[ivory herald]

That's when Nvidia went crazy w/ 9 different cards in 1 series

Oh, I meant like don't bother with 1650/1660 no-ti/super, but that's if it'll be a while before next upgrade

[lone pond]

It's not massive sorry for miscommunication there but if you need that extra 3 fps on among us cough laugh here cough go with the 1660 ti but it's really which ever is cheaper

[tall lichen]

Where? It's more expensive on EVGA

[heady turtle]

1660 is still better than 1650 super

[tall lichen]

That much I know. It's just a question of which gpu am I more likely to get. Like the lower the GPU the more likely I'll get it if that makes sense

[heady turtle]

Just sign up for all bar the 1650 non super

Might as well widen your chances

[tall lichen]

all bar?

[heady turtle]

All except

[tall lichen]

Ah

[lone pond]

^ try newegg shuffles too they normally have things like 30 series cards or ddr5 and alder lake gen cpu's but if you can buy a card around 300 such as the RTX 3060 youll be much happier

[tall lichen]

I see them go for around 400

[lone pond]

really I got a Pheonix OC for like 320 I think

[tall lichen]

Hmm

I guess it depends on the shuffle

[lone pond]

yes it does

sometimes its just 3070 and up other times its 3060 - 3090

[heady turtle]

X to doubt, msrp is 330

Even then 350 is really the cheapest ones

And most are 400ish

[tall lichen]

That's what I thought

[lone pond]

I will look at the email gimme a sec

https://www.newegg.com/product-shuffle
dates are monday through friday 9am - 11am Pacific time

[tall lichen]

Yeah I've signed up for their shuffles

Their 3060s go for 400

That's what I've been seeing

[lone pond]

yeah ive never seen the pheonix on again but I deleted the email so lets go with 350 because of shipping and tax

more like 360 but youll get something much better if you do get lucky

[tall lichen]

I'm sure

But yeah I queued up for the 1650 Super-1660Super

Though I didn't queue up for the 1660TI because I didn't think the price difference was worth it

[lone pond]

and a good idea it was

mmmm no it isnt

wait let me see

[tall lichen]

?

[lone pond]

I use a cite to determine fps/cost

sometimes it works but sometimes it had missing info so it cant work

[tall lichen]

Ah

[heady turtle]

If you want to do that use something like that use https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php

[tall lichen]

1650S, 1660, 1660S is what I queued up for

[heady turtle]

Yeah any of those will be nice upgrade

[ivory herald]

Proof

[lone pond]

I cant prove 😭

lost email 😭

[tall lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-press-la-noire-gif-18717264

[ivory herald]

Why do I see the 3060 for $500? Lol, w/e

[lone pond]

which one

the pheonix?

[tall lichen]

What's so special that it has to be 500 buckers

[lone pond]

nothing, thats cheaper than most but it do be kinda fugly which is why I dont have a picture

I have a picture of my RX 6700 XT GTX 750 ti and RX 6900 XT but not that one, I hate the 1 fan design

ik pretty bad but I sold it and not at a crazy scalpers price, only 80 more to help pay for the RX 6700 XT

wait I might have saved a screenshot from another discord server of the price

[ivory herald]

Eh, just shuffle values. 3060 was $500 ish & ti was $600ish, the 3070 was $680+. Something like that. No big deal

[tall lichen]

Yeah I think I'm going to be a bit of a cheapskate

[lone pond]

do whatever you need, just as long as your happy

not in discord server so now I look throu google photos

[charred raft]

tfw your gpu's coil whine is so bad that it is the loudest part of your build

[lone pond]

uh sir

you need to get that looked at

@ivory herald it was a pentium dual cpu E2220 @ 2.5 GHz

LETS GOOO im a regular :D

imma post the picture in #build-pics

[ivory herald]

Yikes. I waited a long time to go from the ol 3.06 to "The Wolf" (wolfdale), E8400 was a huge upgrade.

[lone pond]

how the times have changed

[shell gust]

Hoping to win the shuffle this time, but I know I won't be the winner just like the last several months

[lone pond]

you never know

sometimes youll be lucky

its rare but you will never know, it only takes 2 minutes out of your day to do so why not right?

[shell gust]

I've been entering the shuffle, but never won.

I have a feeling they give priority to people who choose bundles over GPU only...

[lone pond]

just keep trying and no they dont, I got a Asus pheonix 3060 from shuffle without bundle\

[normal hawk]

Did you buy it? 😮

[lone pond]

plus you can always sell the other part

[lone pond]

yeah sold it for 400 later so i could get a RX 6700 XT

[normal hawk]

ah thats a good trade

[lone pond]

then went to a RX 6900 XT

[lone pond]

it was

it was the Yeston RX 6700 XT

the other gpu is a GTX 750 ti for size reference

[normal hawk]

THE WAIFU CARD 😮

dudddeee

I want it

[shell gust]

where did you resell it? I calculated costs for ebay and bundled parts will never sell for break even price

[lone pond]

to a friend not online

[shell gust]

ok that makes sense

[normal hawk]

breaking even is impossible in the bundles, not that it really matters

[lone pond]

yeah bots would have snatched it lol

[normal hawk]

I gave away a mobo and used another one to build my sisters PC in the 2 bundles I bought on wegg

[shell gust]

And I just got another "you don't deserve our GPU shuffle" email... lol

[normal hawk]

Whats your budget for a card?

or better yet, which cards do you mostly go for in the shuffle

[shell gust]

max $700 + tax, but I'm gunning for 3060 or 3060 TI

[lone pond]

I thats going to be harder to hit a RTX 3060 ti at that price

[normal hawk]

do you need DLSS 2.0, NVENC or Raytracing?

[shell gust]

I do pick up to 3070 Ti depending on the price

[lone pond]

what is that price?

$800

[shell gust]

more like $850ish for EVGA

[shell gust]

depends. I'm trying to finish my gaming PC for the past 1 year.

[lone pond]

yeah I was there and i finally got lucky and then sold it for a slightly better card

wait hold up

[normal hawk]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6600-xt-rx6600xt-clp-8g/p/N82E16814930062?Item=N82E16814930062

Might be a better option if you don't need the particular features NVidia has. 6600XT competes with the 3060 Ti fairly well in AMD focused games.

[lone pond]

I WAS ABOUT TO SAY I SAW THIS

there is a cheaper one from MSI though

hhaha lied

[normal hawk]

is it in stock?

[lone pond]

it was a RX 6700 XT for 800 i thought this was 900

but yes in stock

[lone pond]

@shell gust this is a really good deal from what ive seen, dlss isnt much of a game changer in my opinion and you still can get ray tracing :D

[normal hawk]

the RT on AMD is meh for now.

But also at this price point I don't think RT has a point anyway cause it cuts performance quite a bit.

[lone pond]

yeah thats fair but it is ray tracing as opposed to none

the MSI card was 900 my b
https://www.newegg.com/msi-rx6700xtmech-2x12goc/p/N82E16814137640?Item=N82E16814137640&Description=rx 6700 xt&cm_re=rx_6700 xt-_-14-137-640-_-Product&quicklink=true

[shell gust]

Thanks. I knew about this card was in stock through twitter. I think the $600 for 6600XT is too overpriced...

[normal hawk]

all the GPU's are overpriced. MSI literally changed the Ventus 3x 3090 to 3000$

[lone pond]

WHAT

[shell gust]

I agree. MSI really marked up their GPU prices when compared to competing brands.

[lone pond]

thats so stupid... its way to high and for what?

ive noticed that too with higher end cards starting from the 3070 and up RX 6700 XT and up

but 3000?!

[normal hawk]

Sold and shipped by newegg

you get a free display to HDMI adapter and the 2nd worse MSI 3090 thats what for

[lone pond]

yeah im fine

isnt the gaming tro better?

[normal hawk]

Yes, the one thats worse is the non OC version.

[opal iron]

[normal hawk]

Ventus<Gaming Trio<Suprim<Surpim X

[lone pond]

even the suprim is cheaper though not in stock

[normal hawk]

I think thats due to the price not being updated yet because they haven't gotten it in stock

[shell gust]

Best Buy has it for $2,119.99

[opal iron]

Honestly just dont even get a 3090 for gaming

Its like a 2 fps difference from a 3080ti

[normal hawk]

Shouldn't be updated until they mark it as in stock

[lone pond]

best buy is never in stock online though and only shows msrp

[shell gust]

hm..

[shell gust]

didn't know since I only go for 3060 Ti during GPU drops

[normal hawk]

And I'd HOPE that MSI raised it rather than Newegg. Msi doesn't sell directly to consumers so we can't check the price with them

[lone pond]

Yeah i was doing that for awhile but 1 months ago i decided to just buy and i couldnt find a valid seller that wasnt fake and im not touching ebay

thats when i found the RX 6700 XT around the same price as the scalpers

[normal hawk]

Oh I found their store.

[lone pond]

yeah they have a store just yk out of stock

its NVIDIA I think who doesnt have a store right?

[cerulean rover]

unfortunately, looks like Newegg had upped the price at some point for some reason

[lone pond]

😭

[normal hawk]

Gigabyte doesn't sell GPU's either. all through resellers

[opal iron]

Ye they don’t actually sell products directly from their website

[cerulean rover]

of course 2200 for a ventus 3x really sucks but least its not 3000

[lone pond]

yeah 3000 is too much

[opal iron]

Same for all 3rd party gpu manufacturers

[normal hawk]

Asus, Zotac, Evga, and MSI apparently do have direct sells

[opal iron]

What

[keen nacelle]

assuming i had the money, i wouldnt pay over 2k for such a bad model 3090

[opal iron]

I definitely don’t remember being able to order from evga

[normal hawk]

Cause they are in queue now

queue is closed though so if you didn't get in it, you won't get one

[lone pond]

I remember when the noctua x asus 3070 was so huge, went to look for one even at scalpers price and nothing 😭

[normal hawk]

Sometimes pops in on Newegg in a Barebones PC bundle. Case, PSU, Mobo, AIO and the 3070.

Around 1400$ for that

[lone pond]

mmmmmm well im glad i didnt get it because for 200 more you can get a RX 6900 XT from newegg

[keen nacelle]

6900xt formula oc or whatever its called

in raw perf beats a 3090 iirc

[lone pond]

wat

please send link lol

I have a powercolor RX 6900 Xt with factory OC and I want to see how it compares

[normal hawk]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6900-xt-rx6900xt-ocf-16g/p/N82E16814930057

[keen nacelle]

thank you

[lone pond]

i wont buy a new one for awhile because this chip shortage is killing me

wellllll uh I was supposed to buy this but I saw the powercolor one with better reviews and i then saw the pictures and was drawn toward it

im happy with what i got though 😄

[opal iron]

Why get a new one?

U already have a 6900xt

[normal hawk]

they said won't

[opal iron]

They said bc of the chip shortage

Implying that without the shortage they would have gotten it

[normal hawk]

Maybe cause lower prices

[opal iron]

Thats not the point

Why get a new one when you already have a 6900xt

Why go through the trouble of getting another one

[normal hawk]

2 gaming PC's? I got a 3080 Ti when I already got a 3090

[lone pond]

thats what im sayig i wont for awhile

ohh sorry sometimes my brain merges 2 thoughts into a sentence types it out and doesnt realize that they dont mix

[normal hawk]

I'm watching GPU prices cause I want to build more PC's.

[lone pond]

to correct what i meant @opal iron This chip shortage is killing the gpu market so I got something that would be a 0 compromise card so I wouldnt have to buy anything new