graphics-cards

[heady turtle]

If they are 1440p i think it would struggle a lot

If they're 1080p, 24" is max recommend size btw

Before you start seeing pixels

[lunar loom]

Just looking to get some more real estate but seems like for a decent priced monitor its gotta be qhd or above for a ultra wide

[dreamy dragon]

iliya#3279 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dreamy dragon]

YAGAMI_LIGHT#1109 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[stoic folio]

Is £750 good for Rx 6700xt

[heady turtle]

Imo no

If it was 650-720 mb

[late haven]

cant i just make my own bios?

[pulsar fjord]

I’ve been trying to get a 3070 from Newegg shuffle but can even win it’s been like 2 months

[rustic pulsar]

hang in there man, we're all in the same boat

what card do you have now

[thick cliff]

If it is any consolation, only thing the Newegg Shuffle even has that I would ever actually make use of, is the Ryzen 9 5900X, but even that would be a bit much for my needs

[pulsar fjord]

I have a rx580 been looking for an upgrade

[fluid wedge]

I'm thinking of waiting for lovelace to come out to buy something brand new. If so, what would y'all recommend I buy to hold me over for the year or two? Currently have everything but a gpu, running on a 10700k

[rustic pulsar]

3070s are in stock starting at ~1000 usd is that bad

[thick cliff]

Better off just waiting. You aren't the only one.

[rustic pulsar]

what about a 3070 ti for <1000?

[thick cliff]

Their MSRP is barely more than $700

[rustic pulsar]

its only 300 more (a lot, but mot crazy)

[thick cliff]

Supply shortages. Gotta love them. We're all having to wait it out. I want a Radeon RX 6800XT, but nothing I can do until the price drops.

[rustic pulsar]

https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-ventus-3x-8g-oc/p/N82E16814137662?Item=9SIARCJF1N0218&Description=3070 ti&cm_re=3070_ti-_-14-137-662-_-Product&quicklink=true

[thick cliff]

They can't produce chips fast enough to meet demand, and while many countries are trying to bring new chip plants online, it would be at least a year before those new plants reach a level of output where they would have an impact on demand

[rustic pulsar]

wait almost double msrp no

im dumb

[thick cliff]

Summer 2022 is when the supply and demand would begin to balance themselves out again

[rustic pulsar]

but still like 200 less then current market

[pearl pewter]

3070ti or 3080

[rustic pulsar]

3070 ti

[twin niche]

$200 shipping WOOF

F’in scalper slimeballs

[pearl pewter]

they trying to get rid of it in china or what

maybe we should wait

[thick cliff]

That's not scalper shipping. Sadly, that's standard international shipping rates these days, at least between China and the US. Remember the trade embargo?

US placed a tariff on Chinese imports, US blamed China for COVID19...Anything coming into the US from China is facing extra scrutiny...Some of those shipping costs are customs fees added to the cost of shipping

But guess where most of the US' consumer electronics come from?

Top it off with the fact that there were apparently enough Americans actually wanted more customs enforcement for imported goods to try to stem the flow of counterfeit goods

[twin niche]

Unfortunately, yes

[thick cliff]

You also have to think about this: Demand for GPUs is at an all-time high. So high that cards are being sold faster than they can be produced, and chip producers cannot increase production to keep up with demand. That's not how manufacturing works. It takes at least a year to bring a chip plant online, and another year or more for that new plant to reach an output level where they would begin to have an impact on demand.

This pandemic forcing everyone to stay at home, distorted the economy in ways that the economy was never meant to be distorted. The entire global supply chain was not designed to handle this kind of stress. We're lucky it didn't totally collapse. You would be surprised how close we actually came to that, though.

I wouldn't say we're in a recovery, but we have "bounced off the bottom", so to speak

Even before this crisis, the demand for semiconductors was growing steadily, as products become more sophisticated and technologies such as 5G and the “internet of things” become ever more integrated into our world. The only realistic solution is to increase the supply of semiconductors, and chip maker Intel has already announced plans to scale up its manufacturing of semiconductors, with new factories opening in the United States and Europe.

However, this will take time, so consumers will likely still be feeling the impact of this shortage well beyond Christmas 2021.

Analysts are saying they don't expect things to begin to settle down until Q3 2022

It wasn't demand by gamers that caused it. It was a multitude of factors all caused by the COVID19 shutdowns

Like many current global challenges, this shortage initially began as a result of the COVID pandemic. Staff at semiconductor foundries in China and around the world were unable to go to work, plants were closed and production halted, which led to a lack of supply. The movement of that supply was also slowed down by tighter restrictions at ports and international borders.

At the same time, employees started working from home, children and students started studying from home, and many of us were confined to our homes for long periods. New equipment was needed to support these changes, establish makeshift offices and classrooms in our homes, and upgrade our existing home entertainment options. This prompted a sudden increase in demand for many of the devices that rely on semiconductors.

However, the industries that make these devices also had to stop production for a time, and during that period they stopped ordering semiconductors. This meant there was a sudden increase in demand for goods, but the companies that manufacture these products weren’t making as many as they normally do, or ordering enough components to enable them to meet a rise in demand later.

This is a classic example of the “bullwhip effect”, in which inventory levels suddenly fluctuate in response to unexpected changes in customer demand further along the supply chain.

[turbid stream]

yo i found a 3070 for 536$ on ebay

it got reviews

[thick cliff]

Don't trust anything on Ebay unless you know who the seller is

[turbid stream]

yes

[thick cliff]

Ratings can also be faked, just like reviews

[turbid stream]

https://www.ebay.com/p/18042377336

wait

nvm

[heady turtle]

Lol scammmm

[turbid stream]

in desc it says 1660

scam

[thick cliff]

I have seen cases in the past where sellers would pay people to leave positive reviews and ratings, just to get people to buy their products

[turbid stream]

nvm

[heady turtle]

500 for a 3070 kek

[turbid stream]

look at item description

[thick cliff]

I looked up that MPN number on other sites. It is a Founders Edition 3070 MPN number

[turbid stream]

wait click on buy it now and it will say gtx 1660 super

let me tell you, not even in dreams..

u got a 3060 ti? if yes what do you thinka bout it

and is it good FE?

[thick cliff]

3070 Founders Edition on pcpartpicker sold for $500 from Best Buy

[turbid stream]

what

[thick cliff]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/m8pmP6/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-8-gb-founders-edition-video-card-9001g1422510000

Like I said, I matched the MPN number from the Ebay site to other sites and that's what I came up with

[turbid stream]

guys did u see the news on msrp on china?

a guy sold 3060ti at 300ish$

obviously mined

[thick cliff]

If I remember right, nVidia made their cards difficult for crypto miners to use for mining...While AMD did not

[heady turtle]

The aibs msrp or fe msrp? Either way not too bad atm

[turbid stream]

idk what nvidia did but it got hacked if im not wrong

why

oh

[thick cliff]

I doubt that's going to last too long. I am hearing reports that China is preparing to invade Taiwan

China has never recognized Taiwan's independence.

Are things out there really as bad as the way they are being portrayed on the International medias?

In terms of the whole chip shortage thing I mean

My apologies.

Not that much different here in the states, sadly

One thing I've learned from my travels over the years - all medias are the same, regardless of where you go. They will all tell you what they think you want to hear, and almost none of it is true.

[heady turtle]

Yeah ik, was wondering if you meant AIB's msrp or the fe msrp like

[stoic folio]

I just want a gpu. pc be empty since August

[spare relic]

I'll probably get a console in a few years

Maybe not tho

[thick cliff]

Why are the Gods so cruel they have to make the lesser card more expensive? https://i.imgur.com/XbxCCDV.png

[heady turtle]

[spare relic]

Because

Gaming

[vital oriole]

lmao

[jovial jolt]

DUDe I neeD a GpU MAAN

[grim frost]

I should have waited and got a 3070 than my 1070 ti but I already got it

[thick cliff]

@rich hollow Rule 9

[rich hollow]

my bad, my bad

[clever pagoda]

You guys think Nvidia is really bold enough to release a 3080 super?

[keen nacelle]

I doubt it

[twin niche]

Bold enough or DGAF enough?

Because I’m pretty damn sure all they care about is making shareholders happy

So if releasing another SKU in the 3000 series makes them some more money they are 100% going to do it

[topaz oak]

ok people i have ordered the msi ventus 3x 3070 ti about a week ago because i was going for an all black build but now everyone is saying that, that version of the card is ass and i made a mistake is this true?

[hot folio]

The Ventus is one of the lower end AIB cards, cooling ain’t that good but passable, and OC potential isn’t there.

But it still will do the job well

[halcyon plover]

It should be able to handle stock clocks

[hot folio]

Yeah stock clocks it’ll be fine

[topaz oak]

well I have zero plans for over clocking

[heady turtle]

A card is a card these days

[topaz oak]

i could have a different card but that was the only black one

[hot folio]

What was the other card?

[topaz oak]

well i got it off newegg soo their was a bunch

but for an all black build i went with the msi ventus

[hot folio]

Oh the shuffle?

[topaz oak]

Nah i had the money so i went for it

probably wasnt smart but i just could not wait

[compact kite]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/VRQXz7
is it good? and btw that cpu cooler kinda expensive so what other cpu cooler u think is good?

[hot folio]

If you had the money a 3070ti probably wasn’t the best bet. It’s only about a 5% improvement over the 3070 for who knows how much more

[topaz oak]

it was 20 dollars more than what the 3070 was going for

[hot folio]

Ahh ok

[topaz oak]

yeah

[hot folio]

How much did you pay for it?

[heady turtle]

Only if you already own the stuff, if not no, whats your budget and use for the pc?

[hot folio]

Case choice =

Crucial Ballistix =

[heady turtle]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/QxBZMv get this isnstead

[topaz oak]

i paid 1200 for it

for my 3070 ti and the 3070 was 1180

[hot folio]

I thought you would change that PSU to something like an Enermax Revolution

[heady turtle]

Enermax Don't officially sell in the uk or Ireland so it's like 180, and the txm is an a tier anyway

[hot folio]

Ahh ok makes sense

[normal hawk]

Ooooo

3090 in stock at MC. :0

Says limited availability so it's probably only 1

[hot folio]

Probably like 2

[compact kite]

arround 1600

[heady turtle]

Ohh lemme bring it down 100 then

@compact kite is it for gaming yeah?

[compact kite]

yea and recording also editing

[heady turtle]

@compact kite https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/WHwhQD

[compact kite]

i dont like intel

i prefer ryzen

@heady turtle

[hot folio]

Oh god not again, ok so basically

Budget builds Intel is where it’s at

Better price to performance than Ryzen

[compact kite]

ryzen is good for editing and other

[hot folio]

Multicore performance between the 11400 and 3600 is exactly the same

11400 beats out the 3600 in single core by a lot

In this case the 11400 is a lot better choice

[heady turtle]

@compact kite you can't fit an 8 core chip in the budget of 1600 with a monitor anyway so why would you opt for a slower chip, you can't even go ryzen 5 5600x, which is faster but the Ryzen 5 3600 is worse and the same price/more expensive

[hot folio]

I may be wrong but i doubt those extra 2 cores will give you a big difference to performance

[heady turtle]

Yeah same multi core but 11400 way better single core

[heady turtle]

For editing sometimes

[hollow raptor]

Msi 3070 dropped for 744 but I didn’t buy bcuz expensive; should I have gone for it?

[heady turtle]

I would have, 700$ is basically the new msrp for 3070

[hollow raptor]

I’ll wait for bbuy and if nothing then i’ll just commit

[hot folio]

Which MSI 3070?

[vital oriole]

i kinda die inside with people strictly wanting ryzen

[grim frost]

I will pick whatever works best at any given time when I need to build a PC

[heady turtle]

Good way to be

[grim frost]

And I currently have a 7900X due to an uncle I never talk too

[dreamy dragon]

R0BE#1350 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[solemn panther]

ooooo

[quaint kiln]

out of curiosity, does anyone know a good graphics card that fits in a small form factor pc?

[spare relic]

Depending how small

1650 super

5500xt

1650

1650 low profile

[quaint kiln]

a 1650 can fit in a small form factor?

[spare relic]

Yes

[heady turtle]

You'll need to check the dimensions but usually ye

[frank agate]

Got shuffle selected but was blind clicking and didn't catch that it was the Zotac 3080 TI at 1800... I feel like I'm being gouged still

[green harness]

That's a ridiculous price for an 80 Ti imo

[solemn panther]

ha

rip

it is what it is

[errant valve]

Hi everyone, was wondering if anyone knew of any video card apps for an older model Dell OptiPlex 7010 MT (Mini-tower) with an Intel i5 core 3570 3.4 ghz with a Windows 10 -64 bit processor? (was wondering if I could use a 2GB card for this, and the speed performance difference between a 1GB and a 2GB (if applicable) video card?

[hot folio]

Ehh at this point your best bet is to just replace the whole system because a 3570 is severely outdated

[halcyon plover]

Zotac for 1800🤢

[twin niche]

F Zotac

Never buying a zotac product

[halcyon plover]

I mean if its msrp sure

But that a white strix price lol

[twin niche]

I’ll hold a grudge

For them scalping their own product

They have raised their prices during this shortage more than any other card maker

[hot folio]

Zotac cards aren’t even really that good

[errant valve]

Hi Alec, what's the cheapest refurbished processor (I am working through a covid career change and have limited finances since I am not working) you would suggest and where could I get the best deal (any ideas?). Would it be more cost-efficient to add this video card as well as replacing my HDD with an SSD too as my hard device is starting to go bad too on this computer until I had the funds to get a newer computer...

[heady turtle]

@errant valve you can get i3 10100 prebuilts or something for like 300ish

Probs most cost efficient

[errant valve]

@vernal osprey -thanks so that i3 is not "going backwards then" from an i5? (totally clueless of anything technical about computers other then basic specs)

[heady turtle]

Nope

[twin niche]

Going from a 3rd Gen i5 to a 10th gen i3 is still a big jump up

[heady turtle]

It would be a very nice upgrade

About double the perf of your old i5 in multi core

[errant valve]

@vernal osprey -wow....could really use that...who would I contact a local computer repair shop here based in my Atlanta area?

[heady turtle]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-recertified-refurbished-pavilion-desktop-intel-i3-10100-4gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive/6452689.p?skuId=6452689

Something like that

Ehh idk where you should go that's not main stream stores as am not from the us

[errant valve]

I would probably have to invest additional money for a SSD and a video card on this prebuilt as well? (and these wouldn't come standard on the prebuilt?)

[heady turtle]

Nope it has integrated graphics

But i would grab a cheap ssd yeah

Something like 20$ even if it's small

All ssds are better than a hdd tho soo

[errant valve]

@sterile parcel, appreciate that info...so both Microcenter and BestBuy are both good places to shop then...I have some Crucial Memory in these computer I brought, so I could just switch the memory then than (assuming it's swappable)...HP vs. Dell -HP is a step up from Dell, right?

[heady turtle]

Unfortunately the memory is not compatible

[errant valve]

@Final -thanks for the technical performance side note...

[heady turtle]

Ehh the step up bit is a meh

[errant valve]

So this prebuilt wouldn't be obsolete for a while then? (I could get a few years of it or more life expectancy).

@vernal osprey -oh well on the memory swap over...

@sterile parcel, there's one literally right around the corner from house...

@white mapleomy -Duluth store...

As long as I could expect to get a few years of it, it'd be worth the $300 or so dollars investment

@white mapleomy -just out ask to talk to a tech about a prebuilt then, and explain what I currently have?

@white mapleomy, I don't know anything much regarding PC maintenance...didn't know there were things to be maintained on a computer?

@sterile parcel -Yep BB right over the highway (85) here too...

@summer sparrowmy, got you on those maintenance points...yep, not a problem for me to do that...

One thing I was wondering as far as having the processor speed and video graphic memory to be able to mess around in Adobe Premiere Elements (stripped down version of Adobe Photoshop) and Corel Video Editor as far as not "blogging down" with performance when working with graphics or video files as an amateur trying to learn them. I am not a gamer, so I am assuming that I wouldn't need "top notch" performance on account of that...

@summer sparrowmy -will do if I connect with them, be happy to share their knowledgeability (or lack thereof)...lol -with you guys...not a problem...

@summer sparrowmy -Cool, that's what I was hoping you would tell me...

[spare relic]

Rommy

Hi 😎

Have a nice nap lol

I have old PC

[errant valve]

@summer sparrowmy, thanks so much, appreciate all your insights and help too along with the rest of you all....have a great nap, took one earlier myself...lol...(can I save this chat convesation somehow?)

[spare relic]

You can also make a private server on this app, then copy a link to these messages

Paste it into the private server

Personal notes

[errant valve]

@sterile parcel -Got you, thanks...(Thanks MrManiac3 too for that add'\tln info)

[spare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/waving-gif-4440541

[errant valve]

@spare relic, thanks again for your separate server paste private chat info...appreciate that....time for me to head out too...have you have a great rest of your Sat eve!

[spare relic]

You're welcome ^^

You too

[errant valve]

Thanks!~

[errant valve]

Hi Maniac3...

[spare relic]

Hello

[errant valve]

Hey, I was chating with Roomy about my 3rd generation i5 being antiquated and he mentioned a 10th generation i3 rebuilt...

[spare relic]

Gotcha

Rommy is she btw

[errant valve]

and then I just saw this 8th generation i5 for $279 as refurbished and I am not a super budget and didn't know if it was worth "scooping up"...

it's listed a "grade b" but the computer refurbishing computer on Ebay...

[spare relic]

Ah

[errant valve]

oh, thanks for the gender correction...

[spare relic]

I think you can get a newer i5 for less brand new

i5-11400 or i5-11500

[sonic mural]

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-10700KF-Processor-Unlocked-Graphics/dp/B086MMS6FV

[spare relic]

Hehe

Yeah

[sonic mural]

same price and new

[spare relic]

Generally I think it pays off to stick to the two current generations for new, and many generations old for used lol

[sonic mural]

yea

[sonic mural]

lol i love how i never knew this aswell

[spare relic]

4th gen is still nice for light-medium gaming, basic desktop work, and passable for rendering

[errant valve]

@quiet bridge -any idea if there's any questions I might be able to ask the refurbisher regarding their i5 -8th generation grade b if you think it's a good deal. They list the retail (assuming that's brand new) @$599.

[sonic mural]

is it just the cpu or a whole pc?

[errant valve]

whole pc

[sonic mural]

uhh

[errant valve]

red flag?

HP 590-p0053w Pavilion i5-8400 2.8GHz 8GB RAM 1TB HDD Win 10 Home Silver/Black

[sonic mural]

ill take a look at that specific cpu for a sec

[sonic mural]

yeah im thinking for that price you can just about get a new pc that should outperform that one... ill look for one now

[errant valve]

@quiet bridge for $279?

[sonic mural]

just about yeah

[errant valve]

@quiet bridge was talking to Roomy,and she mentioned about going down to MicroCenter or Best Buy and talking to their tech people about a prebuilt i3 10th generation, then I just saw this one, and I was sure if it was a "super steal deal" or not really?

[sonic mural]

If i were you id check this thread out, sale will go live on the 12th (2 days) - https://slickdeals.net/f/15153979-dell-inspiron-desktop-i3-10100-8gb-ddr4-256gb-m-2-pcie-ssd-win10-home-299-99-fs-dell-com-starts-july-12-2021?src=SiteSearchV2Algo1

uhhh its not a super deal in my opinion, its a couple years old and could even have some damage since its grade b, and id rather have the pc linked above if i were you

and yes, while the one you posted may have more cores (6 cores/6 threads) this i3-10100 pc has 4 cores/8 threads, the i3 will just about keep up with the i5 in things like multicore workloads, like renders, and pull ahead in single thread workloads

and the i3 is a much more current processor and stay supported an extra couple years

[errant valve]

@quiet bridge -I saw i3 -10 gen with 1 tb hdd 8 GB (not sure if DDR3 or DDR4 like the one above) for $299, Dell?

[sonic mural]

ddr4 and it is probably the same one

you can post a link though if you have one and ill check it out

[errant valve]

same $299 price point refurbished...grade a

[gritty notch]

But hdd

So it's cringe

[sonic mural]

its 300 bucks, you cant find anything better for it

you can pay 30 bucks for dell to add a 256ssd tho

[errant valve]

@quiet bridge -here's one for even less...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/164886486845?_trkparms=aid%3D1110002%26algo%3DSPLICE.SOI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201210111451%26meid%3D9728a0eca5c44d5e9df4dcb70f72652e%26pid%3D101196%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D164853343409%26itm%3D164886486845%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DPromotedSellersOtherItemsV2WithMLRv3%26brand%3DHP&_trksid=p2047675.c101196.m2219&amdata=cksum%3A1648864868459728a0eca5c44d5e9df4dcb70f72652e|enc%3AAQAGAAACAG0vnRNe7uOUbd76umr3APyon9LHPefsKbmBLZIxgYQQi7LIHupjeEvkr5Z5Jdef2NO4fXthjQv9vzXpvVVtNuZiTGZlvj8VaGjsjwq76CvRLS60i5YBGX6S1wtXFwd0O1aAcHG5FdoP4EauTghSU6urlrqeMl7LeLNYkpN1W5FZAVZkUczlR6KQKDZlTfm7ZhJSsd%252F%252B2QupIOxSD8kJSlNGoCBK2OgkXRd0Kva66SumcMHUsE6xOrHgS%252Bjd4ebzcBwmQtvfbQBzoBmJgg4hF0XfaIYTzbU8jdsd2CSKiIltXjDfFrbPhXwLzTB6tqfaL%252FTKD2VxwxN%252FSUkYRDLlIZ1IouKUC1gRRYO427z5kzGoh9qZPG6nC14p0zAmem8NUXcbYvqFnpfy%252FEfZZ%252BZKcDKMBCHguRUfWzJtpEtjjFbgJlZM%252BtqUnvKmNbvhu%252FicdJ0lZW5Zu%252Fcmz6AHa4FvZc9kJzEQMmiq4ZKf2NVwpFiWEtLcF4SoezfYsQL8e6PrD2NM16PX35AYs6%252F8dP2RRX6lcMGie0q6AbH1wH%252Fo3guouxQA4Fdkf0puqRPo7IMB9Db50HWTr0X3LyGK0qkexeujsran056DXBJvcbR7P1RpowbRaz4Tl%252FTP4sXWq6COs0AaPngJ4z2XtcQ%252BWCtlSakFaFyLPzWHWdM9ZWqrYc4D|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2047675&epid=17047531559

[sonic mural]

its also refurbished

[errant valve]

correct, not grading system on this...

[sonic mural]

yeah

[spice mulch]

Imagine having a 30 series gpu

😫

[sonic mural]

desc says "pristine" but who knows with the stock images they use

[errant valve]

I don't know if too much ports are occupied, or not an issue...

typo: too many existing port occupied, or not an issue...

[sonic mural]

i dont know

should be fine

[spice mulch]

I would kill for a 3060 for -$500

[sonic mural]

a raid on miners in china has left a ton of 3060 cards being sold for ~$270, so very under msrp

but they also have had a very hard life

[spice mulch]

I don't know where to buy them

[gritty notch]

im saying the one u sent has nvme

[gritty notch]

dont

[sonic mural]

O yea

[errant valve]

@quiet bridge -this one's $299. but he lists it as an intel processor then (since I am not a techie) also mentions item's specs it's a AMD Ryzen 3 processor? (are they one in the same: Intel and AMD Ryzen 3 processors?)

[gritty notch]

no

[errant valve]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/164853343409?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201210111452%26meid%3D18fe3b0697f24e98af639d8ec476f65d%26pid%3D101196%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D164862699779%26itm%3D164853343409%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWebWithBBEV2bAndUBSourceDemotionWithUltimatelyBoughtOfCoviewV1%26brand%3DHP&_trksid=p2047675.c101196.m2219&amdata=cksum%3A16485334340918fe3b0697f24e98af639d8ec476f65d|enc%3AAQAGAAACMKBnreze9Ip9qtPunKoBHsnA5IJ7xcQFsr0mmp8JISgHelgE%252F9PrcBewshYQy9kITpUphcnfsedj%252BAzin1Ug7cpYFe51tSMKdY0UKyu1vG0iZbKpEC8fR%252B2Mx%252FEGqzOs%252B1z1K5umR8vox40E8t%252Bvdm2nRccw7B5oX%252BeBsWN9vm1PA4LQdlruyCOMK6toRP%252FTspytTw3AdGK3fRoIF%252B8rvT5ZkiLP4m8pWJTQ312VT31md8c5mdb2A0B8K%252FSax4jS39hk9CEndMmeivQrkAJFEbVZ%252Bnllm%252FZPMenPwus7oBfD7DTYSakvVi0mOwUD8%252F0WZgnyFGClTqLXPWtDdc66%252B5sFlK64oK%252BbnJhWGvBSJ9FEuThh1A2w2whuYUStB9xLGQJt8mjzMUOERh6f3zB0eRMTQFQb9SzsT5b%252FSZa%252Fw5qJ%252F9Eny2sqSt2GjE9g8CW2M1Ozi8DEsqJ0Sa40CY5%252BGi7%252BhEf8YqLqGyHWURr6uN1pt%252FECikafQDXCkggnFp8DPck1FqRP3HbvHUXgVKE7djCdM5fFAJqXFzMjo3vXx7CjY36R9ZnfWkVV%252BZqQivXN1t3A5rMgrL5LAP6ChyOKDJ%252BUU6QuOtuC42U9ad88rHmU80VPwFl%252FNVaYC2wOb5d1VBDLUVo3dZqT9nJdr%252FVIBA%252FuF3JYtpcn1hzwKpbxeBSG3Ba54RDHQ2nqFANpw4PprxIyco89EbZ0tiJSBdLjZ7tbKSaDZbmF551RA6TY6323|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2047675&epid=19040481967

[gritty notch]

and dont buy anything from hp

ever

[errant valve]

@Lili -HP's not good?

[gritty notch]

never

[errant valve]

Yes, for that tip...

Here's one: Dell Inspiron G5 Gaming Desktop i3-10100 8GB RAM 1TB HDD Win 10 NO GRAPHICS CARD

For Sale is a Dell Inspiron G5 Gaming Desktop PC with Intel Core i3-10100 Processor, 1TB Hard Drive, 8GB of Memory, DW1810 Wireless, and Windows 10 Home. PLEASE NOTE THERE IS NO GRAPHICS CARD/GPU INCLUDED! Condition is CERTIFIED REFURBISHED and will come in Dell Outlet box instead of regular consumer packaging.

$299

[gritty notch]

just get the one @sonic mural sent

[errant valve]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/384213222100?hash=item5974e482d4:g:11kAAOSwiyRgwNou

@ripe seali -that would be the best bet...just have to "suck it up" with the 256 GB memory on it than?

storage space rather...

@ripe seali -that would be the best bet...just have to "suck it up" with the 256 GB (SSD) storage space on it then?

[gritty notch]

yes it'll be much much faster

[errant valve]

@Iili -thanks so much, don't worry so much about the CD/DVD player, nothing is mentioned about it in the product details (are they all pretty standardized, I should be able to read/write to it)

@ripe seali -can I add extra memory to this or is it "maxed out" with 8 GB memory? (I wouldn't suppose I could swap my old memory Crucial from my i5 -3rd generation current computer into this computer?)

@quiet bridge -any idea when this Slick Deals Dell starts officially on the "kick-off" day, 12 a.m., and do I need to "jump on this" early (whenever they start their deals) because they're going to be going fast (super fast) at this price? (wouldn't suppose if I was "low-bucking" it, I could peacefully opt-out of any additional warranty coverage offerings with a lot of assurety?

[gritty notch]

can add but you need ddr4

can also add more storage

[errant valve]

@Iili -if I was low-bucking it (between jobs with covid and a career change and a super budget now), I wouldn't really need to opt-in for any additional optional warranties other than their 1-year-original manufacturer's standard warranty, or I should have a good amount of confidence that they shouldn't be any issue with it for the initial first couple (or more years) as a refurbished Dell-certified computer? (you think)

@ripe seali -any idea what time Slick Deals sales start? (12 a.m.?) -I'm on the East Coast here in ATL.

@ripe seali -scratch my last question, I see the deal starts info now on their webpage

[stray gyro]

why dont u build one?

[errant valve]

@stray gyro, not a techie, but was previously mentioned with Roomy to pop over to MicroCenter or Best Buy and talk to their tech people about a prebuilt?

[stray gyro]

dont gotta be one

ask ppl to make you a list for your budget

watch a yt vid

build it

boom

[errant valve]

the tech people at MicroCenter or Best Buy you mean, and they will piece it together (build it) for me....my budget is $300.

[stray gyro]

300

dang

what do u plan on doin with it

[errant valve]

$300 between jobs and in a new career transition presently...conserving my money at the moment...

[stray gyro]

what do u have rn

[errant valve]

basically home computing....switched to the Digital Marketing field and I want to start to play around and learn Adobe Premiere Elements and Corel Video Editing as an amateur user...that's basically it...not a gamer at all...

[stray gyro]

that still requires high level hardware

[errant valve]

I have an i5 -3rd generation with a HDD going bad....and in need of a video card too...otherwise fine, although hangs up sometimes with multiple programs open and slow to open Corel Video Editor and Adobe Elements and their corresponding files/file types...

so you're saying this Dell refurbished Inspirion i3 -10th generation wouldn't be a good computer to handle these (my) types of usage applications?

@stray gyro -Dell Inspiron Desktop i3-10100 8GB DDR4 256GB M.2 PCIe SSD Win10 Home refurbished $299 (Slick Deals)

https://deals.dell.com/en-us/productdetail/9ckz?AID=1225267&cjevent=a4cbafdee1df11eb81bb02840a82b820&cjdata=MXxOfDB8WXww&gacd=9614781-23761182-5750457-265988609-127889515&dgc=af&VEN1=12578053-1225267-a475cf94e1df11ebb1d68e47b639583f0INT-Slickdeals LLC&dclid=CNiYncHi2fECFXMzwQodgMgEzA&nclid=ihoif_KxF95ADYHLidQNKH8f6SMIKHhymvS1XZQTpAEUYj0W8CUJ4blMdF9lHb9r

[spare relic]

yeah, an i3-10100 is a nice leap ahead of any 3rd gen i5

my 4th gen i7-4790 also falls short in comparison

[errant valve]

MrManiac -so it's a good deal and should perform well for my intended usages?

[spare relic]

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-3470-vs-Intel-i7-4790-vs-Intel-i3-10100-vs-Intel-i7-7700K/822vs2226vs3717vs2874

yeah it should be great, with a couple caveats

the power supply will almost certainly have a proprietary connection that might be solvable with an adapter, and the airflow through the case might be insufficient in combination with a graphics card

the power supply would be switched out with a higher power standard unit when installing a more power hungry graphics card

[errant valve]

lol -caveats...sounds like I would need to consult with a techie then for an additional graphics card "add-in" then....

[spare relic]

haha yeah 😅

it is otherwise a very nice price at 300

[errant valve]

so those issues would only apply to an add-on graphics card than, not the present unit itself as it is currently?

[spare relic]

yep

[errant valve]

Sweet....

[spare relic]

it will work adequately as is

hopefully smoothly out of the box lol

[errant valve]

Intel -let me in on that deal from Slick Deals starts on Monday....

it would be a big deal if I only took the standard warranty from the manufacturer if I was "low-bucking" it with this computer purchase and my current finances, right?

typo: it "wouldn't" be rather a big deal if I didn't get any additional warranty coverage to save money rather....

[spare relic]

I'm not sure

I had a standard 1 year or so warranty on my 2015 Lenovo

[errant valve]

a horror story from not getting any extended warranty then?

[spare relic]

5 years later the power supply died and I bought a nice standard unit to replace it, and an adapter to fit the non-standard motherboard power connection

it could be beneficial

[errant valve]

that's fine, if I can have peace of mind for two or more years with this without an extended warranty I would be "more than satisifed" with that...

[spare relic]

hehe

I haven't been home in many months and my Lenovo is there, I plan on getting hold of it and combining parts with another pc I bought recently of the same generation

[errant valve]

@sterile parcel -thanks, you all "have been great"....I should have left right after you Rommy, but I wound like dialoging with some addt'ln ebay find's with some of the others here, but I am going to go ahead and grab this deal that Intel showed me on Slick Deals than...

Yeah, was going to follow-up with your initial visiting MicroCenter and BestBuy and see where that leads...initially....

[spare relic]

my grandma's pc is building its own sheep

so much carpet fibers

I want to get a compucleaner

[errant valve]

lol Maniac....

time for a late din-din and some R&R for me...you all have an awesome rest of your Saturday (-?) evenings...

[spare relic]

[lone pond]

Guys whats the difference between these two gcs

wrong links sorry

[heady turtle]

The 3070 is wayyyyyy better but also more money

Ohh

[lone pond]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/MN848d/evga-geforce-rtx-3070-8-gb-xc3-black-gaming-video-card-08g-p5-3751-kr

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/9zJmP6/evga-geforce-rtx-3070-8-gb-xc3-gaming-video-card-08g-p5-3753-kr

^^^ These ones

black gaming vs gaming

[heady turtle]

Iirc one of them has a metal backplate vs no/plastic backplate but if you can get any 3070 thats all that matters really at this point, usually just the only diff is coolers

[lone pond]

thanks fam

[heady turtle]

Np

[late haven]

how much is a rog strix 3070 ti at msrp

[heady turtle]

Probs 850$ ish

[late haven]

dang

thats like a $250 markup

[late haven]

might as well get a 3080 instead tbh

what if i buy one used?

when this fiasco is over

nvm

prolly wont make that much of a difference

[heady turtle]

No diff lol probs more

[compact coral]

Not true, you could likely get one that was used in a crypto farm and abused for months for pet cheap, but it likely won't last long if it works right at all.

[heady turtle]

Lmao no

Also like a crypto farm would bother with LHR cards

[magic wing]

what?

itll be fine for gaming

like itll be in better condition than if a serious gamer used it

exactly

mining uses only VRAM

gaming uses VRAM and GPU core

not only with crypto mining

Im done with people going 3600 and refusing to go 11400 because they heard that amd is better

[spare relic]

Gaming

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-running-pepe-the-frog-gif-15536020

steps out of time machine

Intel best for gaming

steps back into time machine

[magic wing]

also pople saying mhz instead of mts is a pet peeve that I have

[spare relic]

I just say 3600 😎

No appending

Only number

DDR3

only info you need

[heady turtle]

But amd is better for gaming

[magic wing]

good

I call it 1800mhz

or 3600

or 3600mts

[spare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-cats-gif-21856565

Amd must be better because giphy bar says so

[heady turtle]

Not even, the ryzen 5000 better for gaming therefore, all ryzen better

[magic wing]

yes 5600x good for gaming so imma get the 2600x

Ive seen people on here do that

[spare relic]

Intel bad for gaming

gets 1600 14nm

[heady turtle]

Yes big brein

[spare relic]

We're not going far enough back

Phenom II X6 1100T

Amd best for gaming

I do wish I had an 1100T tho lol

6 core phenom

Wild

955 is nice tho

[magic wing]

Nah but genuinely I prefer my RX570 over a 2060 personally even if its dumb

[spare relic]

Xd

[magic wing]

Just a lotta emotional attachment to this specific card

[spare relic]

That's a different story

[thick cliff]

Some questions are best left unanswered

[magic wing]

No question was asked...

[spare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/math-thinking-zach-galifianakis-formulas-numbers-gif-7715569

[stoic heath]

so, when picking my Graphics card, is there a major difference in Nvidia and Radeon, i've been using Radeon for years, so thats what im used to, but i would like to get the better one

im going with a AMD CPU with the Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING Motherboard

[magic wing]

Which amd cpu?

@stoic heath

[heady turtle]

[magic wing]

dlss is better and RT is better on nvidia

raster wise not too much difference

[stoic heath]

sorry, the AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor

[heady turtle]

Nice

Thank god tbh

[magic wing]

I was actually gonna break down if you said 3600

Thank you

[heady turtle]

Same lol

[stoic heath]

Im not too worried about Price, since it's going to be on a payment plan with my work, but i still want to keep it reasonable

[heady turtle]

I would get a 3070 if possible tbh

3060 ti if possible but they rarer than unicorns

[stoic heath]

right now im sitting at $1320 on PCPP, ill also be paying Actual price rather than msrp

[magic wing]

Can confirm I own a unicorn but not a 3060ti

[heady turtle]

Yeah, msrp is a myth, 3070s are was enough to get for 700$, or you could just get a 16-1700$ abs prebuilt with a 3070 and 10700 which is what i would do

[magic wing]

who do u think I was reffering to

[spare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[late haven]

mining should be fine if it doesnt exceed 70 degrees

i put tune the fans to 65% so itll remain cool

my rig never exceeds 60 degrees

[magic wing]

If ur pc isnt acting as a space heater is it really a gamin PC?

[heady turtle]

@late haven when Ethereum mining you want to bring down power and underclock core, while overclocking mem, snd fans at 70% you're running that way too warm

Mem gets hot while mining and will be hotter than core

[magic wing]

mining uses VRAM not ggpu core

[late haven]

i use nicehash

idk how to mine ethereum

it just mines btc and thats it

i could deposit to ethereum

exactly

people keep hating on miners when scalpers are the real problem

[heady turtle]

Nicehash mines whichever is most profitable so if you have a new gpu you are mining Ethereum

[magic wing]

People should stop making assuptions per se

[heady turtle]

Ppls can be dum lol

[magic wing]

Also some youtubers spread lies for views

[heady turtle]

@late haven what gpu are you using? And I'll tell you what you should be using oc wise

[spare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/gaming-twitch-emote-bttv-gif-18722020

[late haven]

a 1070

im planning on upgrading

i get 26.5 mh/s

[heady turtle]

Gimme a sec

@late haven +0 core, +450 mem, 115w, so like 75% power

Then you can try bring mem up and core and power down a bit

And fans 70-80%

[vital oriole]

i can confirm that mining on a gpu is less harming than gaming when done right

well, maybe not that good but.. you know the point xd

[heady turtle]

Physics n all

[vital oriole]

yah

heat cycle, i think

I would buy ex miners just to continue mining on em or just do as cheap gaming card

Cause that's how safe I think they actually are

[turbid stream]

is 3090 overkill?

[rustic pulsar]

depends what it is for

[turbid stream]

gaming

[rustic pulsar]

what resolution?

[turbid stream]

720p

[rustic pulsar]

yeah, 3060 ti is like the most you will need for 720

[turbid stream]

no sorry i was joking, on 4k

bcs i saw 3080 can do 4k without any problems

so i was wondering if it is worth to get a 3090

[rustic pulsar]

then go with 3080ti or 3090, whichever you can find cheaper

[turbid stream]

and for 1440p is 3060 ti enough?

and if yes with what cpu

[rustic pulsar]

more then likely, I have a 3060 and it does 1080p just fine, so 1440 3060ti should work

[rustic pulsar]

for 1440p or 4k

[turbid stream]

and what cpu should i get for it

a ryzen 5600x?

[rustic pulsar]

again, for 4k or 1440p?

[turbid stream]

1440p

[rustic pulsar]

try and find an 8 core

Lets move to #cpus-mobo-and-memory

[hot folio]

You really don’t need a 3090 for 4K gaming, 3080ti is the max you should get for that

[rustic pulsar]

yeah, but get what evers cheaper on the current market

[hot folio]

The 3080ti still is definitely cheaper

[vital oriole]

3060ti for 720p

[keen nacelle]

10400 is more than enough

[vital oriole]

^

I'm kinda tired of seeing people only wanting Ryzen cause they heard it's good

Ignoring any researches on Intel

yah

[hot folio]

Didn’t we have like 4 people yesterday hellbent on AMD on their budget build?

[vital oriole]

Well thanks to Ryzen influence, it made people change their minds

And yes lol

Kinda sad

[heady turtle]

Bro, funny, a r9 290 is overkill for 720p kek

[magic wing]

bruh what?

[heady turtle]

That's STOOOPID overkill

[rustic pulsar]

2060?

[heady turtle]

For 4k, 3080-3090 yeah, i would go 3090 tho if you wanna play cyberpunk or something tho in 4k and wanna future proof yourself, but why 4k? 1440p high refresh is gonna he way better, 3060 ti-3080 would be v nice for

[heady turtle]

720p is under 1080p, a gtx 650 is still enough for 720p

Not 1650 btw... 650

[magic wing]

@rustic pulsar remember that resolution change isnt linear. 720p isnt 1/2 of 1080p... its closer to 1/4th iirc

[ivory sandal]

guys question about my graphic card

i got a xfx black limited edition 6900xt

whenever i run total war it goes to 97% utility

im really scared about that

it runs at like 150fps

[heady turtle]

Not an issue

[ivory sandal]

doesnt it reduce its life spam doing that though

?

[hot folio]

The GPU is supposed to go as close to 100% as possible

100% fan speed reduces life span

[ivory sandal]

I see than

Thanks*

Tbh my fans were running at around %75

[heady turtle]

100% fans only reduce the fan life span too

Not the gpu

Fans can be replaced

As long as temps are under 83c ish while gaming u good

[ivory sandal]

Thats why i wenr with xfx cuz i kneew they got the best fans out of all amd gpus

[hot folio]

Unless you have one of those old gtx 760s with the fans built into the GPU heatsink

Ehh that’s debatable

[ivory sandal]

It actually runs around 80ish

Actually wait 78 to 80

[hot folio]

6900xt running at 80 Celsius?

[heady turtle]

That's fine, imo i would make a more aggressive fan curve but that's fine

[hot folio]

Yeah I know it’s fine but I’m just surprised comparing it to my OCed 6800xt

[ivory sandal]

yeah 80

or 78

but what happend to your 6800xt?

[hot folio]

Mine is running at around 50-60 under load

At 75% fans

[heady turtle]

@hot folio I'm guessing you have nicer case/fan setup also damm that's chilly, what model you have?

[hot folio]

Gigabyte Aorus Master

AIO on the front, 2 fans exhaust on top, 1 fan on the back

Lancool II Mesh

Of course that’s after new paste and pads

[heady turtle]

Yeah they might not have as good airflow/cooler on their card

[ivory sandal]

Hmm i see

Wait

Its actually 50-60 too its something else at 78

I forgot

[hot folio]

At 75% fans, temps should be around 60 from what I’ve searched up so far

[hot folio]

Junction temps are probably 78

[ivory sandal]

Oh I see thank you

You know i spent so much money that i am scared of hurting it

[hot folio]

Lmao yeah

[dreamy dragon]

kiddymujiib#8069 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[royal hazel]

yo! quick question. Im rocking a ventus 2x 3070 with a ryzen 5 3600 and 16gb of ddr4 ram. Im kind of disappointed with performance and instability with some titles and think that my processor might be bottlenecking me. I game at 1080p but am soon to upgrade to 1440p. Do you think upgrading to a ryzen 5800x would be worth the upgrade?

[karmic crag]

i think the 5600x should be good

[hot folio]

5800x and 5600x aren’t really that good value

And you aren’t getting bottlenecked lmao

screw you LTT

At 1440P you won’t be bottlenecked by a cpu

[cerulean rover]

they're at 1080p

they're talking about performance right now at 1080p

[hot folio]

Soon to upgrade to 1440p

[cerulean rover]

with a 3600

[ivory sandal]

guya

[hot folio]

But it still isn’t really worth it to upgrade the CPU even then at 1080p

[ivory sandal]

i had my gpu in HDMI

is that bad?

[cerulean rover]

I would say it's possible, or memory upgrade

[ivory sandal]

i changed it to displayport

[cerulean rover]

hdmi isn't bad

display port is just higher bandwidth

[ivory sandal]

okay thank you

so hdmi can bottleneck your gpu?

[cerulean rover]

I mean

[hot folio]

I’d think the problem is something with the ram or maybe drivers

[cerulean rover]

not really?

[hot folio]

Not really the CPU bottlenecking

[cerulean rover]

I'm saying it's possible, they're also in #building-and-recc-chat btw

[hot folio]

Oh just noticed that

[cerulean rover]

It's more like the monitor side things, for example, hdmi 2.0 does up to 18Gbps, supporting up to 4k 60hz, when displayport 1.4 does up to 25.92Gbps, supporting up to 4k 120hz

[late haven]

is nvidia gonna make a titan gpu or smthn for the 30 series or did they just replace it with the 3090

[hot folio]

Definitely not

The 3090 is basically the titan of the line

[errant valve]

Hey 'all, I was wondering if this worth the extra $100 dollars going from a Dell Inspirion refurbished i3 -10th generation for $299 (on Slick Deals) to spend an extra $100 for a Dell Inspirion i5 -10th generation through Dell for $399 (any thoughts additional expenditure versus benefits and longevity of technology life?)

https://deals.dell.com/en-us/productdetail/9ckz?AID=1225267&cjevent=810fe6fce28c11eb80b802f50a82b832&cjdata=MXxOfDB8WXww&gacd=9614781-23761182-5750457-265988609-127889515&dgc=af&VEN1=12578053-1225267-80b33026e28c11ebb25152891ca1aa110INT-Slickdeals LLC&dclid=CJrtgov32_ECFRFV7Aodk64GNA&nclid=ihoif_KxF95ADYHLidQNKH8f6SMIKHhymvS1XZQTpAEUYj0W8CUJ4blMdF9lHb9r

https://deals.dell.com/en-us/productdetail/9ckp

[vital pivot]

Well boys and girls. I have the parts.

[hot folio]

The man loves his EVGA

[vital pivot]

Yes it’s apparently an addiction.

Spent several months getting all of these.

The 3080ti was of course the hardest

And realizing that’s a metric ton of cash sitting three

There

[tight wasp]

evga ftw

next thing i know once evga makes a desk your gonna buy it

[errant valve]

Happy building!

[heady turtle]

Hmmm I think you need more evga

[tight wasp]

he forgot the mouse

[heady turtle]

Smh

[vital pivot]

@vernal osprey no

Well unless they come out with Ram and a new case and nvme.

lol

[hot folio]

And a CPU

[heady turtle]

And evga silicon gpu

[heady turtle]

Lmao you tagged a different pato

[vital pivot]

My bad. I was distracted.

[spice mulch]

Luck guy, you got a 30 series GPU

[cursive mica]

Noice, building is the best part in my opinion, EVGA is lit too

[late haven]

if i overclock my strix 2070 should it match a 1080 ti?

[cerulean rover]

I mean, 2070 can match a 1080ti stock depending on situation

[late haven]

alr

[vital pivot]

Evga DG-77

[late haven]

is a 9700k alr for a 3070

am i losing any frames?

[crisp ocean]

No

[late haven]

how much should a tuf 3070 ti cost at msrp

isnt tuf cheap or smthn?

i hope

[vital oriole]

no lol

but it should be near msrp

[late haven]

what about rog strix

[vital oriole]

that's the expensive one

[lone pond]

Zotac dropping some 3070ti for 850$ frequently

[clever pagoda]

Strix is 1000-1100$

[uncut barn]

when getting a new gpu, you have to configure settings in the bios or something do ya?
or just kinda pop and play (after it installs drivers obv)

[clever timber]

isnt the strix series expensive because its asus

[grim frost]

What's the max safe operating temperature for an MSI GTX 1070Ti titanium?

[magic wing]

85 is fine

[lone pond]

Gm

[magic wing]

Same

I would UV it a lil

UV it for him rommy

Over call

Good Rommie

[heady turtle]

Yes it is

[rigid torrent]

why i cant tune my gpu fan speed below 50% (radeon btw)

[heady turtle]

What tool are you using?

[rigid torrent]

the amd driver itself?

[heady turtle]

Can you send a screenshot?

[spare relic]

usually a gpu will have a lower fan speed threshold

[rigid torrent]

it wont let me go below 50%

[spare relic]

probably not 50% tho

adjust the graph

idk how that ui works but the little dots on the line look like you can pull them around

[spare relic]

zero rpm fans would be an exception

[hot folio]

Use MSI afterburner, fan control on the Radeon software is very finicky

[heady turtle]

I've always used afterburner too

[magic wing]

Not at all

radeon software is better than afterburner on amd cards

[hot folio]

Not in my experience

Always resets to default Dan settings whenever I restart my pc

[magic wing]

ddu and reinstall

should fix it

thats not normal

[hot folio]

I tried that

Didn’t fix it

[rose sky]

How do people feel about taobao graphics cards? most likely ones used for mining.

[vital oriole]

It's usually fine, but taobao is china only unless you have someone to ship for you, or you're in china

[rose sky]

Yeah, I've ordered from taobao before and got the connections lol.

thanks!

[vital oriole]

yw

[ripe hazel]

https://www.newegg.com/p/27N-0042-000A4?Description=yeston&cm_re=yeston-_-9SIAYTVF2R8344-_-Product want

[static zinc]

thats over 2x msrp :/

[ripe hazel]

oh yes i know

i want the card, not the price that it sells for LOL

[static zinc]

i can relate

[hot folio]

The 6700xt isn’t really good value for anything above 600

Hell one could argue even 550

[ripe hazel]

ill be getting a 6700xt very soon actually

just waiting til next month, which sucks. i wanted to be able to use it on the 14th for my b day xD

[dreamy dragon]

BennyFN#4672 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hot folio]

I had one only to return it because I was expecting some better performance. It’s comparable to the 3060ti

[ripe hazel]

oh yeah lol

i got lucky and found someone willing to take payments for one, otherwise id be waiting for 6800 amd ref card, itd go great with my build and id love to have one.

[hot folio]

I love my 6800xt

[ripe hazel]

that midnight black edition looks sick af, itd look good in my build but im also debating to trade the 6700xt after i save some money to get a red dragon or msi card for the 6800

[hot folio]

I’m using a Aorus Master 6800xt and it’s

[ripe hazel]

oooh

[hot folio]

I’m on the quest for as low temps as I can get lmao

I’m currently average about 50-60 Celsius under load

[ripe hazel]

wicked, im hoping after i get the gpu or around then that i can also upgrade to a 5600x

[crisp moth]

how hard is it to get a 6800 xt?

is it still annoying/as hard as the 3080

[static zinc]

getting any modern video card right now isnt easy, you can try on amd.com shop tho

[crisp moth]

alright

[turbid stream]

what do you guys think about RX 6700 XT

[blissful jolt]

Decent card the 6700 XT, love the white version of the PowerColor XT Hellhound Radeon RX 6700 XT

[dreamy dragon]

Alex A.#0350 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[blissful jolt]

@crisp moth I got my 6800XT at Micro Center on St. Paddy's day this past march, waited in line even got the Sapphire NITRO+ RX 6800 XT SE, I think it's way harder to get a 3080

[crisp moth]

yea

[blissful jolt]

@crisp moth Do you have a Micro Center near you? You can get a Radeon card easier than Nvidia one right now, my opinion.

[crisp moth]

nope

sadly

the nearest one to me is in georgia

[blissful jolt]

lol, I'm in GA

Yeah got 2 Micro Centers near me, I've been seeing more in stock for Radeon cards then Nvidia

GPU's still costly though, prices starting to come down

Waiting for them prices to come back down to MSRP would be worth it though!

[crisp moth]

yea

[blissful jolt]

I've been waiting for a 5900x and finally got one on Amazon!

[crisp moth]

I have a 2060 super now so an upgrade isn't super needed but it would be nice

yea that is the cpu I'm waiting for also

[blissful jolt]

yeah you're good, I'd wait it out

I look at the decline prices on GPU monthly

[crisp moth]

yup

should be going down from crypto mining here soon

or we should start seeing a decrease if we haven't seen one yet here

[blissful jolt]

yeah crypto down in China now, I fear that is only a temporarily as they are moving the gpus Elsewhere for mining...

[crisp moth]

yup

[blissful jolt]

China accounts for about 65% of the world's global cryptomining hashrate for major cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin and Ether.

Not any more! Past two week it's has been turned off! China kicked all the miners off line and hash rate dropped about 40% and they are now moving the equipment else where in the world.

[crisp moth]

yea

[blissful jolt]

Gamers like us stuffer, really don't like it

[crisp moth]

I wonder how long this trend is going to last

[heady turtle]

As long as they are money printers

[crisp moth]

got a point

[blissful jolt]

until every goverment in the world says no to it I feel like it will be around for a long time, or they change how it's mined which I hear that is changing..

[crisp moth]

yea

I would assume it would last forever without a government step in/new technology

because technology will more then likely always improve

until something new is found

[blissful jolt]

For sure @crisp moth

[crisp moth]

I think between the crypto boom with doge and bitcoin and covid 19 all combined just left a mess

[blissful jolt]

I concur! A mess!

That and the silicon chip shortage!

[crisp moth]

yea

[blissful jolt]

I work in IT and it sucks about the silicon shortage

[crisp moth]

a lot of those wouldn't have happened if there wasn't a chip shortage that I believed was caused by covid from the decrease of manufacturing

Yea

What branch of IT do you work in?

If you don't mind me asking

[blissful jolt]

I'm a IT OPS Manager for a major telecommunications company in the US

[crisp moth]

Damn

wait

can I say that?

[blissful jolt]

Even Apple will seen an impact from the chip shortages and says it expects to see a sequential decline of approximately $3 to $4 billion revenue in the third-quarter of 2021 due to ‌‌iPad‌‌ and Mac supply constraints

[crisp moth]

yea

I'm very new to the entire crypto currencies/ actually looking to computers so seeing all that has happened in the past year and half and how much I have learned is insane

[blissful jolt]

Yeah, cryptocurrency has a lot of potential

[crisp moth]

it does

[heady turtle]

Yes lol

[blissful jolt]

If that is Governments allow it

[crisp moth]

yea only time will tell

I wonder the probability for the US government to keep allowing crypto

whether it be just farming or the entirety of crypto

[blissful jolt]

Well they tax it now!

[crisp moth]

that is true

[blissful jolt]

lol, I have money invested in it and I won't take anything out anymore because of that

[crisp moth]

haha

[blissful jolt]

Uncle Sam

[crisp moth]

you have to be 18 to start investing right

[blissful jolt]

it's never too early or too late to invest

[crisp moth]

Gotcha

[blissful jolt]

Best time is to buy when it's down

[crisp moth]

Like right now?

haha

[blissful jolt]

Just like a stock market

[heady turtle]

Well you can mine at any age so technically no

[crisp moth]

That is true

[heady turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-loophole-peralta-boyle-loophole-high-five-gif-11942081

[blissful jolt]

to truely mine though you want to be able to pay the power bill though!

[crisp moth]

yea

[blissful jolt]

lol 😉

[crisp moth]

I could do it for funzies and I don't pay the power bill

[blissful jolt]

Had a colleague with three warehouses of GPUs just to mine, let me tell you the operating cost is $$$$$$ very costly!

[crisp moth]

Oh I'm sure

I have looked up the cost for actually profit for one

it's a huge investment

and very expensive to keep operational

[blissful jolt]

yes, if you're going to do it the right way

[crisp moth]

yup

[blissful jolt]

yeah, just sad though for the huge China operations selling all those used GPUs

[crisp moth]

Yea

[heady turtle]

Or you could run 10-20 in your home lol

[blissful jolt]

I wouldn't buy one of those used

[crisp moth]

Yea

doesn't mining affect the performance of a gpu?

[heady turtle]

No it doesn't

[blissful jolt]

@crisp moth Google how the hash rate works on a GPU

[crisp moth]

On that now

[heady turtle]

Mining cards are more well looked after than most gaming cards

[blissful jolt]

Nvidia is Hoping to put more cards in the hands of gamers rather than cryptocurrency miners

[crisp moth]

yup

[blissful jolt]

they do that by limiting the hash rate on a GPU

[crisp moth]

LHR right?

[blissful jolt]

LHR Fight

[crisp moth]

gotcha

[blissful jolt]

Since these RTX cards originally launched without a reduced hash rate, the newer LHR models will be labeled as such on the box and in product listings.

[crisp moth]

Ah

That isn't a bad idea

[blissful jolt]

Sad for miners

[crisp moth]

Great for gamers though

[blissful jolt]

yes

Nividia's LHR Fight is a program means that newly manufactured RTX 3080, RTX 3070, and RTX 3060 Ti graphics cards can detect when they’re being used for Ethereum cryptocurrency mining. When that happens, the cards deliberately reduce their speed "hash rate" for solving Ethereum-related math problems by about 50%.

[crisp moth]

Yea that is what I read

Not a horrible idea

[blissful jolt]

I hear soon though the way Ethereum is mined it will change to in time...

That day will be a great day for games too!

[crisp moth]

wait what

why would that be a great day for gamers as well?

[blissful jolt]

they will have to mine it a different way other than a GPU

[crisp moth]

Oh yea I'm slow

no that would be great

[blissful jolt]

Here's an article on it https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ethereum-mining-changes-may-be-good-news-for-graphics-card-buyers/1100-6491715/

[cerulean rover]

do keep in mind other coins that can be mined besides eth

[crisp moth]

yup

[blissful jolt]

Yeah, if all that was in place for all cryptocurrency during the pandemic mite have help lots

[cerulean rover]

I mean

there's just the huge amount of demand

[blissful jolt]

it wouldn't fix the chips shortage though

[cerulean rover]

I doubt it would've helped much then

[blissful jolt]

demand is always there, the pandemic just made things worse

[crisp moth]

yea

[cerulean rover]

The demand went up because of the pandemic

that's what the numbers show

[blissful jolt]

With many at home and bored and having to work from home demand rise for computers

it didn't help either when shipping container ships with large amounts of GPUs get stuck either for weeks on end

[cerulean rover]

That was happening to everything for a while

[blissful jolt]

and GPU tariffs errr

many, many factors

[cerulean rover]

Tariffs are sad, but I don't think tariffs did anything to stock or availability

[blissful jolt]

yeah 'but With Tariffs in Place, GPU Vendors EVGA, Zotac Raise Prices on Graphics Cards

that doesn't make gamers happy

[cerulean rover]

Welp, hopefully LHR will be the end to just artificial product segmentation, and we just need to hope they're doing it to be nice, and not doing it to be able to split up product lines to sell more products

[lone hill]

Side note prices on retailer and second hand website for gpus have dipped a good bit I’ve been seeing 2060s from 700+ a few months ago to 400+ recently

[cerulean rover]

It's definitely improving

[blissful jolt]

yeah, GPU pricing Trend dropping

hopefully few more months will make it even beter!

[lone hill]

Yeah especially with locks on crypto mining for newer gpus

[blissful jolt]

I feel when you start to see MSRP for GPUs your gamer heart mite just drop

[cerulean rover]

It's not all crypto mining though, only halved eth hash rate

[lone hill]

Yeah

But shouldn’t there be specific gpu variants for crypto mining

I’ve seen a few

But there should be more

[cerulean rover]

They're making a few, yes, but they're practically the same GPUs, except without display outputs

[blissful jolt]

not enough of them, they need way more.

[cerulean rover]

Heck, people have modded mining GPUs that were made when bitcoin was blowing up in like 2018 to be used as gaming GPUs

[lone hill]

Another thing I thought of was with nvidia titan and Tesla gpus wouldn’t there be a higher hash rate?

[cerulean rover]

It's the same die, same pcb, the only real difference is display outputs

They would be higher hash rate cards, but just not worth it for their hash rate

[lone hill]

Yeah they do seem very pricey

[cerulean rover]

They're already just separate segments of the market, with drivers that help performance in some specific workloads, and buying those cards means paying the premium for those features

There are places where you can see 5 year old Tesla cards outperforming 3090s because of that

[lone hill]

Wow that’s interesting

[cerulean rover]

But well, it's very specific workloads, and the people that needs that performance knows who they are

[lone hill]

Yeah

[late haven]

is it worth it to get the 6700xt rn?

i heard it was like a 3070

its like at a decent value rn

$700

i wanna get the 3070 ti

should i wait?

[lone hill]

if you want raytracing capabilities for games like minecraft get the 3070 you should wait prices may go down soon if you could care less for raytracing go for the 6700xt

[heady turtle]

Not for 700$, for 600$ yees, 650$ if you're desperate, 700$ not worth

[late haven]

aight

[heady turtle]

Why 3070 ti, it's a more expensive 3070?

[late haven]

idk it just sounds cooler

ill just get a 3070 then

[heady turtle]

Best feature bout Nvidia vs amd ignoring rt because it's still a gimmick for most ppl, is the nvenc encoder and rtx voice

[heady turtle]

Yeah, i mean if there is a 3070 ti for the same price sure but the perf diff is a rounding error imo

[late haven]

how much is the msi one at retail

i heard you should avoid asus cause it has a huge markup

omfg its $1000

screw it

imma go with the tuf one

aight its $550

[vital pivot]

The only company that isn’t raping their customers is EVGA.

[split parrot]

Yes

But the waiting list is insane

6 month waits

Minimum

I applaud evga though

Like you mentioned they are being a bit more fair

[static zinc]

@split parrot 6 months? im at 298 days

they are still on launch day orders

[late haven]

yeah but evga gpus look like beach toys

[static zinc]

They sent out an email recently says essentially "you wont get the card you queued for but you can get the LHR maybe?"

[split parrot]

Yes

I'm not counting on evga

[static zinc]

if it takes 1 year to fulfil the first 6 hours of orders on launch day...there might be an issue

[split parrot]

I just it silly how it's on such a global level

Find it

I went to the local best buy here and they told me they haven't had a shipment of video cards in 6 months

It's just hard to believe

[late haven]

what if i just get a 2080 ti and kingpin bios it

should beat a 3070

[split parrot]

yes

[vital pivot]

2080ti bests 3070 most of the time anyway

If you look at my evga build pile. You can see one sitting in my case.

🙂

[late haven]

i always get the 70 variant of every series

from the 970 to the 1070 then the 2070

[mellow glen]

Global shortage… not@much you can do

[mellow glen]

Prolly because Best Buy’s are doing online only

[muted goblet]

I haven’t looked into getting a new card since I quit looking back in the beginning of the year, has it gotten better

[livid idol]

A little bit. There's been a bit more used cards on the market since China is cracking down on their crypto ban. More supply in the market means prices will start to stabilize. Things will still sell out in 0.3 seconds due to scalpers, but even they are going lower on resale.

I saw some Chinese miners selling 3070s for $275 usd

[south walrus]

damn

[livid idol]

Why, because of wear? It's really not as bad as you might think. The memory gets hot but the core stays cool.

Oh scalpers, thought you meant the miners panic selling

I'm confuzzled

Yeah mining isn't even as hard on them as gaming 8 hours a day for the same period of time

Yup. Even if it did have a little extra wear, it'll last what, another 4 years instead of 5?

I sold my 1060 3gb near the start of the shortage for $250. Just at auction, not even buy it now price so it's the market that decided the value.

[grim frost]

I just want one

[runic crypt]

You know, it’s unfortunate that I can’t pay for this kind of part in cash, as they’re online only.

I hope we can get better stoinks on these before 2022.

Does 3D art rendering have as much weight as mining or gaming? I’d rather not make my CPU hurt.

[loud dune]

Whats a good gpu to pair with my 3 3100

[livid idol]

That's a pretty weak CPU. Something like a GTX 970 or 1060 6gb would probably be too much for that cpu but good for later.

[spare relic]

lol

wym that's a perfect fit

[livid idol]

Depends what you're playing

[rich wraith]

I'm looking for a vertical gpu riser that sits lower in the case than most because my gpu is aio cooled and my cpu cooler is the massive dark rock pro 4. Anyone have any suggestions?

I bet that if it sits lower towards the bottom of my case it could work. Perhaps one that doesn’t integrate into the pcie panels?

[torpid nymph]

when are the prices coming down?|

[livid idol]

Soon. There's been a good number of used GPUs hitting the market because of China cracking down on crypto mining. Prices are starting to stabilize. Scalpers are still around buying all the new stock in 0.3 seconds but even they are going down in proce.

[late haven]

found a 3070 for $680

just bought it

could be a scam tho

[hot folio]

Where did you buy it from?

[late haven]

mercari lol

definitely a scammer

but we’ll see

[heady turtle]

That sounds like a chipper chain in Ireland macari's lmao

Good look

[reef heath]

How much money should I top up to trade my 3070 aorus master to a 3080 aorus master used or new? Just wondering.

[heady turtle]

Fair amount? 200-250, realistic amount, 350-400 probs

[late haven]

sounds like complete BS

[heady turtle]

Might have been someone using it as a stop gap, what are the pice like and if they are local you should be able to test it

[hot folio]

I heard that the 3080 Aorus master isn’t that good compared to other AIBs

[late haven]

whats a stop gap?

[heady turtle]

a temporary way of dealing with a problem or satisfying a need.

[late haven]

damn its a scam

[heady turtle]

According to google

[late haven]

theres another item from a different seller with the same description

[heady turtle]

Scam :/

[magic wing]

Thermal pad mod and its as good

[hot folio]

I meant that it had the lowest frequencies of every 3080

[magic wing]

Not hard to OC

[hot folio]

True

I remember someone here complaining about it tho

[magic wing]

People in general love complaining instead of using an easy fix

[static zinc]

3080ti combos took 36 minutes to sell out, thats got to be a good sign right?

[heady turtle]

Only if they were okish combos

[green harness]

A lot of 3080 Tis are taking some time to sell out as many AIBs are listing them at like $1800

[reef heath]

AIBs? What do you mean?

[spare relic]

Add in board

Manufacturer that takes the GPU and puts it in a board

MSI, ASUS, Zotac, etc.

[nova delta]

Did bestbuy do there drops today?

[clever pagoda]

I keep seeing techtubers say that gpu prices are dropping wayy down

I haven't seen a SINGLE gpu at msrp so are they in a separate reality?

[twin niche]

They are down. To around 50% above MSRP. Which in a vacuum sounds awful, but it is a considerable drop from 6-8wk ago

Just because you can’t find cards in stock at MSRP doesn’t mean prices aren’t dropping

[thick cliff]

Based on the existing data, what is your best guess as to when GPU prices will be back down to within a reasonable percentage of MSRP?

[heady turtle]

Pretarrif msrp? Never bar the few FE cards

[static zinc]

@nova delta no drops yet

[twin niche]

You may be able to get 3000 series cards around MSRP next year when the 4000 series drops. But no way to know for sure