graphics-cards

[vital oriole]

7900 gre has released, albeit for chinese market and prebuilt market outside of china

[livid idol]

Which power supply model do you have?

[vital oriole]

and that launched at $649

600w can be fine depending on the model

[livid idol]

You can run a XTX on a good 650W if you don't plan to overclock, 600W might be ok

But it'll depend heavily on the model and age

As for the 7800 XT, it's expected to be 260W so it'll run on a 600W as long as it's B tier or better

[blissful current]

600 Watt - Thermaltake 80 PLUS Gold

[velvet grail]

Is a 5600x enough for a 6900xt gaming at 1080p?

[livid idol]

Depends on the game

[blissful current]

I hate the fact that's it not modular so I'll take the opportunity to upgrade it for more headroom and cleaner wiring too

[livid idol]

Ok so that's probably a GX1 or GX2 then based on those details

Either way that's a C tier unit

You could probably squeak by with it still, and if you have power issues change it out then. C tier still has all the protections to prevent damage even if it is overtaxed.

As far as cleaner wiring... You can cut the cables you're not using off and wrap the ends in electrical tape so it doesn't short

[blissful current]

Came with a pre-built pc from Ibuypower lol. I imagine it's lower tier quality lol

So 850-1000 watts would definitely be plenty?

[livid idol]

Overkill really

This one is able to handle a 4090 https://www.newegg.com/thermaltake-toughpower-gf1-series-ps-tpd-0750fnfagu-w-750-w/p/N82E16817153433

Or this one if you think the white would clash https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YRJp99/corsair-rm750e-2023-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020262-na

Can't go wrong with corsair shill alert

Every one of the RM series is top notch

For reference you want an A tier on this list for a top end GPU like a 7900 XTX or 4090, B tier is acceptable for high end stuff like 7900 XT or a 4080, C tier is generally accepted around the 60/70 class cards https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

Don't just look at the wattage

[blissful current]

Glad I asked I'm not familiar with the various classes of PS. I'll need to do my homework before upgrading. Appreciate the link

[oak rivet]

me driving one on 750w 😎

[lone pond]

450w unrated unit or bust

[blissful current]

I'm wondering if the 7900xtx would work on that. I've seen several reviews where that card has some crazy spikes in wattage.

[livid idol]

They're not as crazy as Nvidia 30 series. The 3080 was tripping 850W units. The new gen is quite a bit more tame.

[hot folio]

Not me running a 3080 on 750w

…also was running a 3090 on a 750w a long time ago but that was a NZXT prebuilt

[odd siren]

Depending on the cpu and psu unit you run together with it, you could

[random walrus]

To my understanding higher quality PSUs can handle spikes better

[lone pond]

[blissful current]

Going to be 5800x3d with 7900xtx. Not sure which power supply though.

[odd siren]

Yeah that'll work with a good 750w

[blissful current]

How do identify which 750 PS are decent. They all use similar gold certified labels it seems. 😆

[odd siren]

Boop
https://www.newegg.com/thermaltake-toughpower-gf3-series-ps-tpd-0750fnfagu-4-750-w/p/N82E16817153439

[fading glacier]

look at the link above

the one from psu cultist

[gusty cave]

is a 4080 worth the £600 more than a 4070? planning on playing on 1440p. Warzone Apex Valorant.

[lone pond]

why are you buying a 4080 for those games? even a 6800 will crush those

realistically, neither the 4070 nor the 4080 is worth MSRP, but it'd definitely not worth paying extra for a 4080 when a 4070 will run it extremely well. and not worth a 4070 when 6800's are cheaper

@gusty cave

[fringe scroll]

6800? Bro my 2070super breezes through apex and warzone 😭

At 1440p

I would cry if bro bought a 4080

[lone pond]

100%

[limber flax]

For apex and warzone just get a 4060 or something lmao

Rt does nothing on it

And you definitely aren't playing at max settings if you're serious about playing

[livid idol]

But but... I need 375 fps instead of 350!

[lone pond]

4060??? my brother in christ, used 6700 xt is the way to go

[keen nacelle]

Or new 6700xt for the matter lol

Or 2070 super from zotac open box for $205

[lone pond]

also that

or that

[keen nacelle]

Or pretty much anything except 4060

And 4060 ti

[lone pond]

^^^

[tranquil pelican]

Hi guys, I'm building a new pc for approx 1500$ and saw some used 3090's for sale between 480 and 550 usd in my country. I game at 240hz 1080p and play games like warzone, csgo, and apex legends. Do you recommend this used gpu or anything else?

[keen nacelle]

at 1080p you're fine with a 3060 ti, I would either go 1440p or get a cheaper gpu

[tranquil pelican]

I already have a 240hz 1080p monitor

[solemn panther]

1440p would be a worthy upgrade

for apex you can spot people further

[random walrus]

If you have $1500 to splash definitely spend part of it on a 1440p monitor

Unless you're at the top of competitive eSports players 1440p 144/165 is going to be better for you than 1080p240

[livid idol]

A 3090 at 1080p would be basically idle in those games. I bet the fans don't even run because it's being used so little.

[heady turtle]

In 1440p (dlss on) my 3060ti is barely used so much i get the same fps with 100% power limit as 50% power limit

[raven wharf]

Limited Edition RX 7900 XTX

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-reveals-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-and-ryzen-7-7800x3d-starfield-limited-edition

[vivid arch]

hello, does anyone know if the amd updates are fixed for games that have black screen issues?

[livid idol]

Looks like there has not been an update since the issue on driver version 23.7.2, you should still use an older driver version (using the factory install option)

#graphics-cards message

[oak rivet]

Man I would like that 7800x3d box

[vivid arch]

Gg, i think i was on 23.7.1 before i updated, and after had black screen issues, then rolledback to 23.7.1 has same issues and had to go back a earlier update for it to work

I think i was scared to even try mw2 for a lonth until today, but works now, stutters once in awhile, but still better than it black balling me

[keen nacelle]

If the 3090 is used, then likely will consider other used gpus

[livid idol]

That doesn't mean you can brute force it with a better GPU, you'll still be CPU limited.
And I haven't seen any used 3090s for $450 (that aren't scams), but I have seen 3080 ti's for $500.

[raven wharf]

not the gpu??

both are cool but the gpu is the main event

[velvet grail]

Would it make sense to buy a new 4060ti 8gb for €300? Or a used 6900xt for 500?

4060ti is a MSI ventus 3x while the 6900xt is a GB windforce oc

[random walrus]

4060ti is just kinda bad

[velvet grail]

it's about the equivalent of a 3070, but it's also 300 bucks... and i'd sell my 2080 for 300-350

so i'd probably lose nothing with this one

maybe the 8gb vram

[hasty sphinx]

nvm

[velvet grail]

i cannot buy from us

[hasty sphinx]

I wasn't paying attention to currency 😛

[velvet grail]

unfortunateley

[quiet fox]

Should I buy a used evga xc3 3080 for 375? A friend of a friend is selling it and I'm currently using a 2060 fe. Idk if I wanna wait til new cards to come out in the future but 375 for a 3080 is tempting

[odd siren]

Honestly that's a good price

Mid card but good price

[quiet fox]

Fr though

[odd siren]

What cpu have you got? And psu

I'd take it

It's not mates rates but it's very cheap

[quiet fox]

I have a i7 9700k and a 750w

I think it's fine?

[odd siren]

Yeah that will pair well

I'd do it

[quiet fox]

Huge, I'm waiting for cs2 to drop so I can sell my skins to make a new pc lol

But 40 series are so expensive that I don't think it's worth buying a new one

[odd siren]

3080 still solid man

[quiet fox]

Yea

[odd siren]

Like for like 4070

And 4070's are gross at 600

I'd ride with that for a while tbh

[quiet fox]

Fr though, I haven't been watching gpus since the gpu shortage and was excited to see 40 series release

[odd siren]

3080 9700k still very competent

[quiet fox]

But that price is terrible lol

[odd siren]

Ya

The standard of the quality of the cards is excellent

Like nothing terribly functionally wrong unless you buy the gamerock

But the prices are just

Horrible lmao

[quiet fox]

Yea lol

Also you know if 130 is a good price to sell a used 2060?

Imma try to cover my expenses lol

[odd siren]

Uh, I'm not 100% sure

Wait until someone else chimes up

@mighty island what's a good price for a 2060?

[quiet fox]

Fosho

I'm looking around fb marketplace and it seems to float around 150 where I'm at

[keen nacelle]

Selling, around $130-150 is normal

[raven wharf]

Does anyone know if the giveaway is to those exclusivlty at quakecon? I've heard some stuff about it being online as well but I haven't seen anything yet.

[random walrus]

I'd push a little higher, maybe 150

I've seen refurb 2060s for $160

Also you might find someone willing to pay more for FE idk

[quiet fox]

Fair, might list it a bit higher to see how it goes then

[mighty island]

125 ish is good

so yeah list it for like 150 see what offers you get

[random walrus]

Sold ebay listings are like 130-200 rn so aim for the middle or higher end of that

[vital oriole]

ah yes

white strix™

[oak rivet]

niceeee

[solemn panther]

4090?

[fringe scroll]

I would hope so

Cause if it's anything but that would be even more of a stupid purchase

[ripe lance]

Yep

[hasty sphinx]

That is soooo sexy

[tough mica]

a friend of mine have problems after switching from gtx 1650 to rx 6600
it's connected and it said the graphic's card name there But when he plays a game it uses cpu instead of gpu any help ?

He should do that on everything ?

is there a way to make it as default to use the gpu

ow2

eh?

rd2

Gta5

BD3

i3 10100f

even if these games are cpu based my pc never runs them using cpu

I'll try but i wanna know why if there's an answer for it

cpu usaged 100%

while gpu is 20/

with 40 fps

[livid idol]

Increasing the available GPU power will increase the load on the CPU as well, especially with a low end CPU at a low resolution

You can try DDU though

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[vital oriole]

which res does this run at rn?

[tough mica]

1080p

[tough mica]

what does this do

[vital oriole]

it could be that they didn't correctly install gpu drivers

ddu cleans up gpu drivers

[tough mica]

He formatted his pc

we'll try to do the ddu thing

[vital oriole]

has he installed gpu driver yet?

[livid idol]

All drivers installed? Including chipset?

[tough mica]

chipset?

[livid idol]

You would download it from the motherboard support page

[tough mica]

we'll try that

thanks

[fringe scroll]

Bros running on windows drivers

[spare relic]

I don't think sowndows will let me use the latest Nvidia drivers lol

[silent yacht]

Anyone know a good and relatively affordable GPU to go with a i5 11400?

[odd siren]

Like, anything under a 6800XT would pair just fine

[young crystal]

Can you use amd gpu with intel cpu (and vice versa)

[keen nacelle]

Yes

[odd siren]

Ofc

[silent yacht]

Would like a GTX 1080 be fine?

[young crystal]

If you’re not opposed I got the 6750xt and it runs very nicely, at max settings I can see where it could be better but thats with like max graphics + ray tracing on games

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bfLFf7/msi-gaming-x-trio-radeon-rx-6750-xt-12-gb-video-card-radeon-rx-6750-xt-gaming-x-trio-12g

370 but I think i got it on sale for lower(?)

Oh I got it for 360 💀

[silent yacht]

Lol

I was think either a 1080, 3060 or a uh wait I forgot the last one

7600 something

[odd siren]

Ye it's fine

[silent yacht]

No bottleneck or anything?

[odd siren]

I mean, not in any way of any concern

[silent yacht]

Great

[ivory herald]

I'll say lookup 1080 ti prices also, it's a good bit faster. Can easily later Undervolt to to drop wattage some w/ nearly no performance loss.

[silent yacht]

Uh my power bar just crackled I don’t think that’s good

I can’t tell if it was my power bar or pc…

Cause I just plugged it back in

The HDMI and all the USB stuff was fine but when I plugged in the other cord

I heard crackling

[keen nacelle]

What is your budget

[silent yacht]

So I just turned off my power bar

[silent yacht]

About 200-400$

[keen nacelle]

And with a 300w psu you'll need a new one

Ok one second

[silent yacht]

Yeah

I’ll need like 600w probably

[keen nacelle]

What is the pre built?

Like what brand

[silent yacht]

Like model or specs?

Acer

[keen nacelle]

Do yk if it uses traditional sized psu?

[silent yacht]

Pretty sure?

[keen nacelle]

Or if it's a weird size like dell does

Kk

[silent yacht]

It looked normal sized but the again I have never actually held a psu in real life so idk

[keen nacelle]

Could go 6700xt, I'd double check if the gpu fits your case https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QFcgDq

That's a non xt in the list

[silent yacht]

Yeah I was looking at the 7600

[silent yacht]

God that’s my main worry

[keen nacelle]

6700 is better than the 7600

And is cheaper iirc

[silent yacht]

Yeah

[silent yacht]

Because if I need a new case, I’ll need a new motherboard

[keen nacelle]

And 6700xt is at $320, beats 4060 ti

[silent yacht]

Yeah

[fossil stirrup]

Crazy question. I built 3 I7 computers and one I9 last year with RTX 2060 12gb in each one. If I plugged in a GTX 1050, without connecting a monitor to it, would it slow the machine down at all, or only when it got used?

Both RTX and GTX would be plugged into the Z690 Aorus Master motherboard.

[livid idol]

It wouldn't slow anything down unless you were trying to use the 1050 instead of the 2060

Keep in mind only the top x16 slot is actually running at x16, the other two are at x4

Not that it'll matter on a 1050

Oh and the middle x16 slot is disabled if you're using a M.2 in M2C_SB

[fossil stirrup]

Wait a second. The Gigabyte Aorus Master Z690 still has that 32/16/8/4 across the bus issue?

[livid idol]

Huh? No it just has less lanes for the PCIe slots because of all the M.2 slots

[raven wharf]

does anyone have any more information about the 7900 XTX starfield version? The little I know if that there are giveaways at quakecon but will there be any online ones?

[fossil stirrup]

Shoot. I need to double check my own I9. I have four SK Hynix P41 2TB NVME on my own system, and I believe they are directly underneath the RTX 2060. My question above is because my kids, one year apart, is taking a course that does some heavy burn in type testing, and I rather it take the life out of the $150 GTX, than the $600 RGB RTX. My son will be taking same courses next year when he starts college and we just built these lol.

[livid idol]

I wouldn't worry about the life span, those things are designed to run at 100% load 24/7

If you're that worried set a power limit to like 90%

[fossil stirrup]

I still never got the chance to look as to why I have to have my monitor on when booting up my system, or get the fatal CPU false error.

Was so used to the Z390 and earlier models, been afraid to mess with settings. Especially when power drops so much during summer here. Terrified of bricking the bios.

Thanks again for the info Fal.

[hot folio]

It’s giveaway only

[wicked hound]

They asked if there was any online giveaway too, which afaik there isnt.

[hot folio]

Ohh I thought they meant if they could buy it online

[vague gulch]

whenever i turn off my fan and sometimes the bathroom lights

my gpu js doesnt get enough power i think

then takes like 3-30 seconds to wanna work again

[velvet grail]

Sooo... Should I get a used (almost new) 6900xt for €500?

[vital oriole]

do you want it?

or got a use case to use it

if yes it's decent

[velvet grail]

Mhmh
Gamin' with all maxed out

[celest salmon]

Is used trusted?

I don’t trust used card

[hasty sphinx]

Yes. With common sense of course

[balmy magnet]

I bought a used EVGA 3080 10GB on Ebay a month ago, other than a thermal repaste it's been rock solid

[fading glacier]

you have the prices wrong as well, a 1060 would be at most 90usd and a 2060 like 150usd or less... but as falcie said, i wouldnt worry for the lifespan anyway

[fossil stirrup]

Ahh, there you are. Was actually talking about you the other day on another discord, and was wracking my brains trying to remember your name. Was explaining my own system setup, and when they asked me whether to go I7 or I9 and what generation, I sent them here, but could not for the life of me, remember your name at the moment 😳.

I just remembered their was a song that for years, long before I met you, that would make it easy to remember your name. It sounded like Ravel Ravel something dress. Oh, um, just realized it's not Ravel Ravel. It's Rebel Rebel by David Bowie. Lol, and I thought it was Ravel Ravel for ages.

I'll go shup now 😂

[gusty cave]

how do i uninstall drivers for a gpu

installing a new one

[spare relic]

DDU

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

[gusty cave]

wheres the actaul download button lol

[spare relic]

keep scrolling

xd

[gusty cave]

dont see it lol

i must be blind

got it

[spare relic]

[gusty cave]

Do I tick all these?

Got 5500xt upgrading to 6900xt if that helps

[spare relic]

ig you might not need to use the program, going from one AMD card to another, but what you should do is read the instructions and see if you can understand what you're supposed to do from that

[gusty cave]

What instructions

[gusty cave]

This says tick all

[spare relic]

I've never needed to use it so follow that lol

[toxic sluice]

Quick question, Is 1400 for a used 4090 MSI Trio worth it? He purchased it about 5 months ago. The other thing I am not sure is, did they fix the melting cable problem with 4090? or its fine as long as you insert the connectors tightly.

[livid idol]

The 4090 itself isn't usually worth that unless you're trying to do 4k ultra settings high refresh with no upscaling. Or if you're using it for work.

[fossil stirrup]

4k Ultra, like those Amazon movies?? If so, is an MSI RTX 2060 RGB 6gb able to run those?

[livid idol]

If you're watching amazon movies then yes a 2060 could do that

I'm not talking about ultraman though

[rustic pulsar]

no u need a 4090 for watching movies 100% frfr no cap

[fossil stirrup]

I get prime video, but the movies when I buy them, choose the 4k Ultra option via my phone, which always says it can't run on my device, so will play a lower quality. Due to some strange laws, my desktop systems never show buying options for movies, so have to use phones web browser to choose and buy. Let's say I'm buying 6th season Rick and Morty, where HD is $39, and 4k Ultra is $29. Yeah, I know. For some reason new releases are cheaper for their 4k, then HD. It's better to buy the 4k version, even if phone or tablet says it can't play it because it comes with bonus content the HD doesn't have, and will bump down to the lesser quality for device watching from . Otherwise if I chose HD and then want to watch 4k, they will charge me for the movie all over again. Better to pay for the top format and have it play lower quality, then pay extra for stepping up

[livid idol]

Probably because your phone isn't 4k and doesn't know how to scale

[fossil stirrup]

The large screen at my desk at home that doubles as TV or PC monitor, is 4k, so anything coming in from cable is 4k if the show supports it. But not sure about my RTX going to same monitor, hence my question.

[livid idol]

Well your original question sounded like it was phrased as a joke. But yes the 2060 can output 4k no problem.

I was more talking about gaming before

[fossil stirrup]

Thanks. Sorry, sometimes I am troll joking. Guess I should tag those at end for now on 🤣

[fading glacier]

heck even my 750ti can output 4k video no problem

gaming at 4k is the issue

[livid idol]

It might have a little trouble decoding H265 at 4k though

[fading glacier]

kinda

but the point still stand xD

[livid idol]

Here's the reasons amazon gives for why that message might appear:

[fossil stirrup]

I originally got this 2060 model, to play the Minecraft special edition that supports it, and it's RGB. Remember, my gaming webserver is all RGB lighting, except the power supply that's hidden by a sheet metal barrier. Rest of family got 2060 12gb RTX EVGA cards, with no RGB. My son wanted my RGB card and kept saying he wanted to trade his for mine, which I had to point out to him wouldn't work out well, since the $300 case he got, has shielding that blocks the video card from view. Not even sure why the case does that.

[fading glacier]

your 2060s are still pretty capable, must be pretty relevant for the next 3 or 4 years if you dont go for the latests AAA games

[fossil stirrup]

It only displays that message on my phone at time of purchase, no other. And I can only buy via my phone or tablet, because some law here in California, disallows video or game buying through their application. If your using their application, you may notice a lot of films being advertised, with no prices. Almost as if they ran out of stock, but are still showing the advertising for others selling through Amazon., Log in via chrome on a tablet and phone,

And will see different formats and pricing, not shown in the application itself.

[fossil stirrup]

My game playing, stems to Minecraft and Terraria clones like Starbound and Farworld Pioneers. The three main ones, not counting my own book/game I m working on is Ultima Online servUO, rAthena Ragnarok Online, and Starbound. I'm almost always running those three servers except I haven't set them up on my new system I built last August. I was worried of killing my NVME drives, so was researching my Fury and SK Hynix before setting up.

[fading glacier]

you can even go as far as 6-7 years if those are the only games you play

[fossil stirrup]

I'm old school MMORPG retro. Those Tomb raider look alikes turn me off severely, which is why I loathe Ultima IX Ascension. Just about everyone who bought it was disgusted. I love the Ultima series, but to make a game using the Ultima name and have it in no way look, or play like the past ones, was very disappointing.

Ravel, are you on Steam?

[fading glacier]

yes, but i barely use it these days... im more of an activision/ubisoft guy

[fossil stirrup]

I used to be a big time Promoter for OSI, Electronic Arts, then much later on, other companies. I'm still on steam and don't do promoting much, especially when I got used and burned by two different companies back in 2020. One of them actually stole millions I just found recently. I'm on steam as Lord-Xanthor and my library is 600+. Those are the type of games I play. Multiplayer and Sandbox types.

[fading glacier]

wow

i just bought baldurs gate yesterday xD going to give it a spin later when i get home

[fossil stirrup]

Ubisoft for some reason I keep getting confused with Bamdai Namco
Their are the only companies I played that aren't my normal MMORPG sandbox type. I been angry with them and don't buy their games anymore. A lot of people are. They put changes into the game so they could port to different system, and in the process, broke the steam version, and haven't fixed them yet. Not to mention posting complete language dubbing, over a perfectly good voiceover, making the game just bleh
Games called Ni No Kuni II

[fossil stirrup]

You talking the latest release? Did I actually buy it? Meaning my kids sneaking on my PC and forgot to switch over when making purchases. Not the first time I caught them 😂

Oh, 😱!! That Balders gate!!! Just bought the older versions after playing it on my kids PC last year. Game plays like Ultima Online, Mixed with older Ultima type games.

I been trying to get the Ultima game client to run on my Steam Deck. If I can get it running, and connect to my RunUO server, that's going to be Sweet!!!

[fading glacier]

yeah that sounds like a cool idea

[fossil stirrup]

I find when a windows game won't load up on the Steam Deck, it's not because of a comparability issue, it's because the dll files aren't loading in. Get them to load up during boot up process, the game should run fine.

Boot up meaning game itself, not Steam OS.

Brb

[gusty cave]

anyone good with wz optimisation? only getting 60-70 gpu utilisation

[fading glacier]

that seems pretty normal if you are using dlss

[gusty cave]

hmm

[keen nacelle]

Yeah sounds normal, but what cpu and gpu do you have?

And what resolution

[odd siren]

5600x, 6900xt iirc

Could be cpu bottleneck at 1440p

[keen nacelle]

Yeah at 1080p/1440p that sounds normal then

[odd siren]

Yeah

Dialling up the settings harder might get that extra use out of it, cos you can anyway

[gusty cave]

every other game is fine apex val

wz just the issue

[odd siren]

@gusty cave 5600x ye?

[fading glacier]

dont overthink it, wz is a badly optimized game anyway

[silent cradle]

Should I be going for a 6700xt/6750xtvor a used 2080ti?

[gusty cave]

Yeah, should I try overclocking it?

[odd siren]

Would help but, don't think you'd get near 100%

Sounds like the cpu is holding it back, which is something we expected a bit before anyway

[gusty cave]

Is cpu overclocking easy or can you mess up

[odd siren]

On ryzen you gain a lot more from ram oc and yeah, it can be very easy to mess up

[vital oriole]

5600x can't oc manually well

you just use pbo

[gusty cave]

I blame warzone haha

[vital oriole]

but it doesn't gain much anyway

[odd siren]

PBO doesn't do much

[gusty cave]

Every other game works fine

[odd siren]

Pretty much the most sensible take tbh

[vital oriole]

yeah ofc, but manual oc on ryzen is a pain

or you degrade the cpu

[odd siren]

It's more like cpu oc on ryzen is near pointless

Meanwhile ram oc is big, but you can mess up windows very easily

[gusty cave]

Is oc ram difficult?

[odd siren]

It is yeah

[gusty cave]

Damn

Would getting more ram give me much fps or not worth

[odd siren]

What fps are you getting in warzone?

[odd siren]

Near to none fps

[gusty cave]

Around 110-130

[odd siren]

That's not too bad, can see why you want more gpu utility

[vital oriole]

it's wz for ya

[gusty cave]

Yeah I done research and a lot of people have this issue on wz

[vital oriole]

if you want more i suppose you could buy 5800x3d

[gusty cave]

Gonna just leave it for now, wz ain’t my main game but I was expecting more fps lol

[odd siren]

5800x3d would def fix it

We did discuss this tho, I would say not a big deal anyway

[gusty cave]

Yeah later down the line I’ll update my cpu

[odd siren]

Once you land the x3d just note that even ram oc will do just about nothing more due to the nature of the cpu design

So yeah, better to just wait

Is the pc running well tho mate?

[gusty cave]

Yeah everything is fine except the strimmer I got

It’s not compatible with the remote I had for the old strimmers

[odd siren]

Ah, I know next to nothing about strimmers

[gusty cave]

So I need to get the new strimmer remote

[odd siren]

I c

[gusty cave]

The pic quality is way different

But fps wise it doesn’t feel that diff

Guess going from 165 to 240 isn’t the most ground breaking

[odd siren]

Oh yeah for sure, everything looks way more crisp on my 6900xt

[gusty cave]

Like 60-165 lol

[odd siren]

Kinda yeah

Big leaps after 60-144 don't really exist

You'd need to do like, 144-480 to see a similar jump iirc*

240 is very snappy tho

[gusty cave]

Won’t be doing that jump anytime soon 😂

[odd siren]

💀

Which monitor did you go with?

[gusty cave]

The acer one

I didn’t wanna get a curved one so

[odd siren]

All good

Just curious lol

[gusty cave]

Just see a streamer

He has a 4090 all the maxed out specs basc. Playing wz 1440p

And he’s on like 140-150 fps. Damn this game is trash

[oak rivet]

what cpu

last i played 250fps seemed ezpz

[hasty sphinx]

Is this over?

[livid idol]

no

[odd siren]

Mm mm

[livid idol]

When the latest driver available is no longer 23.7.2 and people have tried the next version we can call it resolved

[odd siren]

Indood

[hasty sphinx]

I guess I could have looked to see if there was another version first

[odd siren]

Yesterday I checked and still saw 23.7.2

[warm girder]

Can I ask for gpu buying help here or is that a different channel

[keen nacelle]

Yes

[warm girder]

Anyone know if buying a gpu from a brand I have never heard of? this gpu is from arktek and i dont know if thats a redflag or if its not something to worry about

[livid idol]

It seems like they just put a fresh coat of paint on and rebrand other manufacturer's stuff

[fading glacier]

yup, thats why we told you no overthinking... wz is a badly optimized game.... no amount of money you throw to your pc will give you a better experience there from what you already have

[livid idol]

One concern is some of these Chinese companies have been caught selling used items as new

Also a weird thing, they can't call this an ATX power supply because it's 10mm too tall and 10mm too wide

[warm girder]

oh

yeah

I mean south africa where im at has very few well priced computer parts

thanks for your advice

[quartz gull]

So I have been dealing with a minecraft bug for a while where the game randomly goes to 22fps until I click onto my second monitor

And my friend told me to set my primary to 75hz like my second monitor and it stopped doing it

and now plugging my second monitor into my igpu (motherboard supports both running) has completely fixed the issue

does anyone know what causes this to happen?

I plugged in my second monitor into my gpu again to see if it's placebo and it did it again so I am fairly certain that the refresh rates being desynced is causing some sort of issue with only minecraft??

[livid idol]

It's a driver level bug that's present in both major brands and has been around for years

I had similar problems before. I'd get weird flickering if my refresh rates didn't match. Setting my secondary to 75Hz and making a custom 150Hz resolution on the main so it's a multiple fixed it for me.

[quartz gull]

Using my igpu has completely solved the issue

also that occasional issue of frame tearing even with gsync on seems to be gone

[quartz gull]

also would make sense because 75 and 144 wouldn't play nice

I now have chrome set to use my igpu and I tested it and it handles 8k 60fps video playback just fine so there shouldn't be any issues

[livid idol]

That's one of the best use cases for the iGPU

[quartz gull]

The uhd770 does a bit better than I was expecting tbh

[fading glacier]

8k videos 😮 you must have quite the monitor

[quartz gull]

it was more stress testing the igpu to make sure I wouldn't bottle neck with higher decoding demands

I only have a 4k 144hz monitor as my primary

[fading glacier]

oh 😦

[quartz gull]

my secondary that it's on is 75 1080p

it's actually my first monitor that I bought

back in 2016

[fading glacier]

yeah i have the same issues as you guys when i turn my second monitor as well

that issue is old as time itself

but just had a 1440/165 and a 1080/144 that i run at 60

[livid idol]

If you run both at 144 it should work better

[fading glacier]

you think?

hmmm

[livid idol]

That works sometimes but not always

[fading glacier]

worth a shot i guess

[primal dust]

So is the 6750 XT like a Ti to the 6700 XT? It looks like they perform very close to each other but I may be missing something

[livid idol]

Basically yes

[quartz gull]

I didn't realize how much having my IGPU on my second monitor would reduce my hitching, framerate and frame tearing issues. My computer genuinely feels like a high end build with no compromises ATM and it makes me feel stupid for not looking for a solution for the problem earlier

Also some food for thought, does the 15 watts for the IGPU get pulled out of the CPU power budget or it added on?

[livid idol]

It's shared with the CPU budget

But pretty much every desktop Intel chip lets you bump the power limit anyway so it would have no effect on overall budget when your budget is set really high already

[fringe scroll]

If you have good cooling and a halfway decent board just set it to max tbh

[quartz gull]

I have my power limit set to 4096 watts because for some reason msi just lets you do that

I was curious about locked chips with lower tdps

like the 12100 if it would effect your cpu performance

[lone pond]

Should I get a 1660 or a 1070 Ti?

[hoary totem]

lowkey neither

[rustic pulsar]

^^, whats your budget and country

[lone pond]

USA and $140-$250

so yea

[rustic pulsar]

bro u could get a 6650XT for $240 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NjM48d/asrock-radeon-rx-6650-xt-8-gb-challenger-d-oc-video-card-rx6650xt-cld-8go

[keen nacelle]

Could get a 6650xt, 2070 super, 2080, 3060, potentially 3060 ti even

Hell here's a refurb 2080 super for $250 https://www.zotacstore.com/us/zt-t20820d-10p-r

Close to 3060 ti performance

@lone pond

[lone pond]

Thank you.

I appreciate all of your help

[rustic pulsar]

2080 > 6650xt

[keen nacelle]

And 6650xt is similar to 1080 ti

[rustic pulsar]

!!!

[keen nacelle]

So gives an idea of how much better they are than 1070 ti

[hot bough]

Is Nvidia still planning on making the Super series for 4000 gpus?

Also any updates on 5000 series by chance?

[fading glacier]

no and no

50 series is expected by 2025

is all we know

[hot bough]

Oh okay.

[livid idol]

We also know that Nvidia has stopped caring about the gaming division completely because they're rolling in the AI money right now, so who knows how much they're putting into the development of next gen.

[hot bough]

Unfortunate but it makes sense.

I can't remember, were there any 4090 AIBs that should be avoided?

[odd siren]

Palit* gamerock

[rustic pulsar]

CORN

[odd siren]

Probably the only one that has an electrical design that is arguably the cheapest it gets

[hot bough]

Ahh gotcha.

Any problems with this one? I am eye balling the 4090 Around Master for my birthday but considering this as a cheaper alternative.

https://www.amazon.com/GeForce-función-control-aplicación-tarjeta/dp/B0BWNFZJNZ/ref=mp_s_a_1_18?crid=26YZKT7RRUV3Q&keywords=rtx+4090&qid=1692217970&sprefix=rtx+409%2Caps%2C304&sr=8-18

[livid idol]

Galax is one of the best brands

It's just not commonly talked about because it's not sold in the US

[rustic pulsar]

ive know HOF is a thing but what is SG

omg

"SERIOUS GAMING"

[hot bough]

Lmao yep I saw that too.

Any of differences between the models?

[rustic pulsar]

well u must ask yourself, are you a serious gamer?

[hot bough]

When I game I game hard.

[rustic pulsar]

just stuff like vrm, factory OC, looks, power/temp limits

[hot bough]

xD though I don't play games nearly as much nowadays.

[rustic pulsar]

nothing that will impact performance by more than 1-3%, just get whats cheapest generally

[hot bough]

Gotcha.

I am gonna go for a balance between looks and price then.

[rustic pulsar]

unless you plan to do extreme oc?

msi makes some sexy cards

[hot bough]

You mean like Ln2?

[rustic pulsar]

yes

[hot bough]

The Suprim and Aorus Master are definitely my favorite.

[rustic pulsar]

u could go suprim liquid x

+$150 tho

[hot bough]

My plan is to only do Ln2 on stuff after I upgrade to the next card so I don't risk hurting my main rig.

[rustic pulsar]

yeah so u could grab like a cheapo 4090 now and do ln2 on your 5090 ti super dooper

[hot bough]

Would have to be bottom mounted since I use a fractal torrent.

[rustic pulsar]

I USE THE TORRENT

hate that case

[hot bough]

I love it personally.

[rustic pulsar]

have u tried building eatx in it

[hot bough]

No.

[rustic pulsar]

it covers most of the cable holes

[hot bough]

Oh rip.

[rustic pulsar]

oh and I have take the front rad out to access the fans which sucks

but anyways dont bottom mount your radiator for gpu, idk why but not good

[hot bough]

I plan to either make my own case or buy the thermal take tower 900 when I swap cases for a open loop build.

So yeah GPUs are gonna be air cooled for now.

[rustic pulsar]

just make sure u have good airflow, as you know, 4090 uses like 600w

I assume u have bottom intake so u should be good

[hot bough]

I got 3x140mm bottom and 6x120mm in push/pull up front.

All P12/P14

[rustic pulsar]

mine is so currest

cursed*

[hot bough]

Why?

[rustic pulsar]

on th bottom I have on the left a silent wings pro 4 140mm, and to the right of that. have the 180mm that came with the cass

[hot bough]

....

[peak rock]

helo

[hot bough]

Now I remember your the one the insisted on the SWP fans.

[rustic pulsar]

oh yah i got them on sale

2x 32.90 :rip: but they are quiet

[hot bough]

Lmao when I upgrade to a 4090 in a month or two my system is gonna be so bottlenecked.

[rustic pulsar]

1564 rpm and cant hear them

[hot bough]

5700G + 4090 at 1080p till I upgrade the rest.

[rustic pulsar]

no

[hot bough]

Neat.

[rustic pulsar]

bad boy

wack

[hot bough]

Gonna be very helpful for Blender and the such in the mean time.

[peak rock]

should I get the Rx 6700 or the 6700 xt

[hot bough]

Oh misread.

[peak rock]

np

[hot bough]

Depends on your rig.

Definitely don't do what I am gonna do with the 4090 lmao.

Though that's only temporary.

[peak rock]

im building a pc around 750

but i don’t know if the 60 dollar difference is worth it

[hot bough]

I am not really a amd guy so I don't know much about their lower end GPUs. Best to ask in #building-and-recc-chat

[peak rock]

oh ok

[hot bough]

They will help you put together a full system.

[fading glacier]

where is the fun in that?

[fading glacier]

its like 10-15% difference... 60 usd are worth on that? is up to you

[hot bough]

I fear for destroying my expensive parts.

[fading glacier]

i mean, thats fine xD but why oc a card when you are replacing it already o.O

[hot bough]

I will probably do Ln2 on my 5700G when I upgrade that though. I've seen it hit over 5ghz on water.

[hot bough]

For the fun of seeing how far it can be pushed.

[fading glacier]

yeah i guess

[livid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/risk-is-our-business-star-track-shatner-bad-banks-too-big-to-fail-gif-18357218

[hot bough]

True that.

[formal socket]

anyone know if grooves.land is a trustworthy site? never heard of it before now, there's a little about it online but im wondering if anyone's had good experiences with them. im looking to get this, which is $150+ more on ebay (in US)
https://www.grooves-inc.com/inno3d-rtx4070-twin-white-12gb-gddr6x-hdmi-3xdp-hardware-electronic-pZZa1-2100854760.html

[vital oriole]

ouch

that price for 4070 is overpriced

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LLP8TW/asus-dual-oc-geforce-rtx-4070-12-gb-video-card-dual-rtx4070-o12g-white

i'd go for this instead

if you really insist on getting a 4070 in white

if you don't mind going for black, 6950xt costs similar/same with more perf

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gy4Zxr/gigabyte-aero-oc-geforce-rtx-4070-12-gb-video-card-gv-n4070aero-oc-12gd

this is 70 over msrp so i don't really recc it, but in case you like the looks of this more

that grooves.land site is also bad

it's full of scams

[formal socket]

yeah the asus one is the other one im looking at but i was willing to pay the extra for the looks, my build is gonna be overpriced but i care about looks the most so im fine with it.
but if the grooves.land isn't good then there isnt anywhere else i can get it so i'll have to go for the asus one. #building-and-recc-chat is where i can post my list for review right?

[keen nacelle]

Can just post it here

I'd be happy to take a look, and if foxys still around I'm sure he will too

[vital oriole]

i'd get the gigabyte instead tbf

pay less for better thing, and not a scam

[formal socket]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/JKLamone/saved/#view=bmHTmG
alright here it is, itll be my first pc. some things:
white or silver everything is a must for me, even if i have to pay premium
willing to switch aio as long as it has an lcd that can display gifs
case is bought already
anything else is fair game

[vital oriole]

board can get cheaper

[keen nacelle]

I would change a lot on that

[vital oriole]

a620m version of that same board works the same

[keen nacelle]

One sec

[formal socket]

doesnt a-series not have overclocking?

[vital oriole]

it doesn't matter tho

you can't oc much on ryzens anyway

[formal socket]

ah okay

[vital oriole]

and pbo only gives you marginal gains

ram would be better if reduced to 6200

am5 can't run above 6200 reliably

[formal socket]

is there a max first word latency you'd recommend? or how much does that even matter?

[vital oriole]

it matters none on ddr5 as long as it's not wildly high

like not over cl40

[keen nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8HysYN

[formal socket]

ahh okay thats good to know then, i was worried bc all the ddr4 kits are always under 10 but none of the ddr5 are lol

[formal socket]

ah i already have the jonsbo case, actually got delivered today and it's the most important part for the look for me

[keen nacelle]

7600 same perf as 7600x, better aio for much cheaper, cheaper board same experience, ram that will run fine on am5, 2tb gen 3 ssd that will game the exact same as a gen 4 drive, and can add another one if you'd like, you can have os on the same drive as your games

[vital oriole]

hm, well then case is out of equation

[keen nacelle]

Case is up to you, I just like the g360a, and can change cooler to an air cooler or ls520 if you go for a case with only 240mm aio room

Then ls520/lt520 if that case doesn't fit a 360mm, or just pa120 se

[vital oriole]

jonsbo tk-1 is matx only case

[formal socket]

yeah it'd be a lot easier with full ATX but im gonna be in dorms for the next 2 years so i wanted a bit smaller

[keen nacelle]

.

Oh the gpu doesn't fit that case

Alr that's a problem

[vital oriole]

yeeah

it's a smol fishtank case

we're restricted to 4070 or something like that

[formal socket]

yeah amd was my first choice but they don't have very many options in white from what i could find

[keen nacelle]

Then https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qZYycH

If you'd be willing to return the case though

You could both go smaller and better gpu

[vital oriole]

ngl with this budget i think we can go for 4070ti

welp there's no white 4070ti's that fits in this

[formal socket]

idk if i wanna spend more on the actual parts tho bc im not gonna be playing latest games at ultra etc etc very often, i mostly play lower end games that 4070 would crush at 1440

[vital oriole]

that's plenty

4070 is 3080 10gb perf

[formal socket]

yeah im completely fine with that

also im in CS so idk if i need a better CPU for that, not sure how much compiling puts on the cpu

[vital oriole]

if you need more compiling oomph, there's option for 13600kf

or 7700x

tho 13600kf gets expensive in board choice

[keen nacelle]

Like could do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hyMJxH

Ah compiling

Alr one sec

Do you need wifi?

Or are you using ethernet

[formal socket]

wifi, doesnt have to be integrated as long as i can put a card in it

[keen nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cRd4DZ

Could also do b760m pro rs, $125, or pg riptide, $130

Will need own wifi adapter

Or b760m steel legend wifi at $160 as well

[formal socket]

is 13600 better than 7600x at higher price though?

[keen nacelle]

For compiling, yeah

[vital oriole]

equal in games

[keen nacelle]

For gaming, similar

[vital oriole]

but for compiling way better

[formal socket]

ooh okay

for aios are there any that you recommend that have screens? ik its super overpriced but im willing to pay it lol

[keen nacelle]

Not really, you're spending $200 on something you can create yourself for $60

[formal socket]

true never thought about diy

and should i not get 2 ssds, one for boot and one for media/games?

[keen nacelle]

It doesnt actually matter, the reason it used to matter was for when you wanted to have an ssd for a boot drive and an hdd for mass storage

Which is still true tbf

But not a point in using a boot ssd for another ssd unless you just need more than 2tb

[formal socket]

okay

is there any reason not to get the faster ssd besides price?

[livid idol]

You'd be paying more for literally no gain

The only thing that goes faster on a faster drive for the average user (not doing workstation tasks like 4k/8k video editing) is Windows booting. And that's only about a 2 second faster boot.

[odd siren]

Why the 4070, just get a used 3080

Better for less

[livid idol]

Needs to fit smol case

[odd siren]

There are small 3080s surely

[keen nacelle]

Or used 6800xt/6900xt/6950xt

[formal socket]

so just writing to disk won't ever reach max speeds of the faster one then?

[livid idol]

Correct

[keen nacelle]

Yeah, even downloading games you likely won't notice a difference unless you have impossibly fast internet

[formal socket]

also its my first build so i kinda wanna get all the boxes to keep, after this im going to probably go used for most stuff

okay

[livid idol]

The only way to see the full speed of the drive is copying from one SSD to another SSD

Or loading a lot of sequential data at once, like video editing again

[keen nacelle]

I get similar download speeds on my sata hdd compared to my nvme ssd, about 30mb/s each

[odd siren]

Get 3080 FE

[formal socket]

other than that i'd assume reaching full speeds is usually a software limitation?

[livid idol]

It's not white

[odd siren]

Paint it

[formal socket]

was considering but i wont have time, at that point id probably go amd tho

bc then i could choose any card

[odd siren]

Why's it need to be so small

[formal socket]

matx case

[odd siren]

Show case

[livid idol]

No it's limited by other hardware. When you're downloading, the limit is your network. When you're decompressing to install a game, that's a CPU limit. etc etc

[odd siren]

That will fit a lot of 3080's

[formal socket]

https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-006A-000E0

max is 281mm

[odd siren]

What the

[formal socket]

yeahhh but i really really like the look of it lmao

[keen nacelle]

I'm pretty sure my 3060 ti wouldn't fit that lol

[formal socket]

and already have it so

[livid idol]

Note the top of the case, it barely fits that 240mm aio lol

[keen nacelle]

282mm iirc

[odd siren]

Get inno3d x2 3080 💀💀

[keen nacelle]

Yeah, lf2 b stock would be a good idea I think with the way the tube is in that

Wait no

[odd siren]

Notte

[keen nacelle]

Deepcool castle ex

[odd siren]

Notte

[keen nacelle]

Oh is notte like that too?

[odd siren]

NOTTEEEE

Reeee

[keen nacelle]

Tube won't be in the way?

[livid idol]

LF2 is larger than average, can be problematic for top mount and it's a little longer for bigger tubes

Ask me how I know

[odd siren]

Does it have to be TK-1?

[formal socket]

yes

[odd siren]

O11 mini?

[keen nacelle]

Ye notte will work

[formal socket]

i need the curved glass :(

[keen nacelle]

They alr got it too

[formal socket]

yeah got here today still in the box

[odd siren]

Ehhh

What about 6800xt reference

[vital oriole]

it's gotta be a white build

so that's not an option

[odd siren]

7900xt reference?

What the heck rdna 2 ref is white

I'm gonna pepper this with alternatives until that 4070 disappears

[formal socket]

i spent like 3 whole days looking for a gpu and landed on either 4070 or 3060 ti

[vital oriole]

it ain't white?

i can't see white 6800xt lol

[formal socket]

my other options were 3060, 6650 xt, or 6600 xt, but those are all worse for same price

[odd siren]

White enough lol

[formal socket]

couldnt find any 6700xt or 6750xt that were white

and that fit

i dont wanna buy 4000 series bc nvidia but it seems like the best option at this point in terms of price/performance

[livid idol]

A quick plasti-dip will make any GPU shroud white

[odd siren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FNyH99/zotac-gaming-twin-edge-oc-geforce-rtx-4060-8-gb-video-card-zt-d40600q-10m
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9nkWGX/asus-dual-oc-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-8-gb-video-card-dual-rtx3060ti-o8gd6x-white

This case is so silly

[livid idol]

Bro wants the 4070 gone so bad he's actively putting worse GPUs lol

[odd siren]

Cos the 4070 is just AHH

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xf92FT/sapphire-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-pulse-video-card-11306-02-20g

[formal socket]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9nkWGX/asus-dual-oc-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-8-gb-video-card-dual-rtx3060ti-o8gd6x-white
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CCgFf7/zotac-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-lhr-8-gb-gaming-amp-video-card-zt-a30610f-10plhr
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TDvdnQ/powercolor-radeon-rx-6650-xt-8-gb-hellhound-video-card-axrx-6650xt-8gbd6-3dhlv2oc
out of these i decided on the zotac bc i like the look best, but 4070 is like way better for 160 more

[odd siren]

The dual 3060 Ti isn't that bad

It's not 4070 bad $/fps wise

It's not great either but white tax is everywhere

Or you can paint/plastidip a 6700xt

You could even do it to this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VgtLrH/gigabyte-windforce-oc-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-12-gb-video-card-gv-n407twf3oc-12gd

[formal socket]

tbh tho i dont need any more performance than 4070

[odd siren]

Ah man

That's a lot of extra money tho for the aesthetic

4070's should be selling for 450 rn not 600

Do you live maybe near a micro center?

They do good deals on 4070's

[livid idol]

But then that would cut into the 4060 ti 16GB

[odd siren]

Nvididumb

I hate these premiums

I have a white 3080 10g in front of me too but it's too long to help out

Totally the better card tho for a lower price

[livid idol]

They know you hate it, they see people voting with their wallets, sales are down a LOT in the gaming division... and Nvidia just doesn't care because they're rolling in AI money

[formal socket]

ik if i had no limitations i could build this on like half the budget

[odd siren]

Is this for someone else?

[formal socket]

no i just really care about the looks, top priority over performance for sure

[odd siren]

Oh ok

Lol

[formal socket]

yeah lol i know im overpaying haha

[odd siren]

So you wouldn't do a 3080 fe at all?

You could do 3080ti fe at that value

That would fit too

[livid idol]

At least you're self aware, so many people can't even articulate this much

[odd siren]

Yeah I'll probably give up after this last question

[formal socket]

if i did that i'd feel compelled to just paint it, which at that point again i could just get any card

[odd siren]

And it's so true, most people just say "I want this" they won't say "I need it to look like this" lol

Alr well, I yield

There's been reasonable consideration given, as long as that's there I'm not as worried

[formal socket]

okay so why is 4070 so bad tho? just bc its mediocre? or the difference between it and 4070ti

[odd siren]

It's the value proposition for $600

Value for money is basically non-existent

[livid idol]

It loses to similar priced GPUs... badly

Last gen ones at that

[formal socket]

right i forgot about 6900

[odd siren]

It loses to better priced gpus at basic things

Yeah a 6900xt reference would fit

I'm fairly sure

[formal socket]

6950 too

[odd siren]

Indeed

If you found one of those used, those are fabulous buys

With a silvery/white backplate and black accents

[formal socket]

yeah and like i said, next build will definitely be mostly used bc its just so much better value, i just really wanna have all new for my first build

[odd siren]

Alr fair enough

For reference lemme post the notte aio

[formal socket]

one other thing, any AIO companies to avoid? and also whats the price limit for my AIO i should look at if i end up not going with an LCD?

[odd siren]

http://www.thermalright.com/product/frozen-notte-240-white-argb/

[livid idol]

Avoid MSI, their pumps die often

[odd siren]

The notte is like $60 and better than a vast majority of aios out there

Yeah I'd go as cheap as you can with something good and white

[formal socket]

do you know how easy it might be to put an lcd on it if i end up wanting that?

or any tutorials online etc

[odd siren]

They have an lcd version

Frozen magic 240

These are affordable too, no super expensive premium like the Corsair or ek ones

[livid idol]

https://youtu.be/RTdniu3gn3Y

[odd siren]

Asus etc etc

[livid idol]

You can put whatever on the display, it doesn't need to be sensors

[odd siren]

Could do that too, not a lot of space available tho

[livid idol]

I'm sure you can find a place to fit a little raspberry pi screen

[odd siren]

Maybe with a slim phone across the back

[formal socket]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mVMJxH
okay, how's something like this then? $300 cheaper than original

[livid idol]

You'll need to buy a hub for the uni fans too

The individual ones don't come with it, only the 3 pack

[formal socket]

okay, im planning on replacing the aio fans with the lian li ones, that's possible right?

[livid idol]

Yes

[odd siren]

Confusion

Which TR aio was the lcd one again

I was told the scenic but I don't think that's true now

Hm I'm not sure now

Welp, there's this instead
https://www.thermaltake.com/pacific-r2-ultra-memory-lcd-monitor-kit.html

Wouldn't recommend it over the sensor panel tho but it is an option

[formal socket]

where would i buy the notte 240 in white? its not on partpicker

wait nvm i just had to search it lol

[odd siren]

Amazon

Usually

[formal socket]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p3qK89
okay heres the list again but with a black instead of white aio (white not listed),
and just to make sure, i definitely won't need a faster ssd for anything? even things like small scale AI models, computer vision stuff, etc? idk how much any of that relies on ssd speed or not

[odd siren]

That ssd should be fine

But you could spend the $5 more on a p41 plus solidigm if you wanted a little extra oomph

[livid idol]

AI models would be the hardest to run out of those and that relies heavily on GPU memory, not storage

[formal socket]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VZWzK8/crucial-p5-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct2000p5pssd8
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3QXJ7P/kingston-nv2-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-snv2s2000g
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RqTp99/solidigm-p41-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpfknu020tzx1
? or just stick with a60? im willing to spend a couple extra bucks but if there really is no performance increase for anything then lmk, i just wanna be sure

[livid idol]

P5 plus and P41 Plus are decent, NV2 is a roll of the dice if you get a good or bad one

If you want to put a couple more bucks in just to have it, by all means

[formal socket]

alright. for the motherboard is there anything else i need like a sound card or something, or do those always just come with motherboards now?

[livid idol]

Those are built in

And most of the time you get audio passthrough to the monitor through the video cable

[formal socket]

okay nice. alright well i think that's it then, ty guys so much for your help with everything even if i've been stubborn with how i want it to look haha. i may or may not end up going with the nzxt aio but the price increase is a lot so we'll see, everything else looks good for me. thx guys

[keen nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7R92FT/silicon-power-xs70-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp02kgbp44xs7005

Better than all three and cheaper

[formal socket]

oh nice ty

[keen nacelle]

Xs70 is almost as good as sn850x

[formal socket]

yeah feel free to add better parts if u want haha havent ordered anything else yet

[livid idol]

Remember that fan hub too, the uni fans will need it if you want to use them at all

[formal socket]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kzzbvj
do i need a specific fan hub from lian li or just any hub?

[keen nacelle]

Imo the lian li fans are overpriced af, but I just don't like spending $30 on a single fan

You can get 3x white c12cs for $15

[formal socket]

yeah i just love the infinity design of them

[keen nacelle]

And perform very similar

[formal socket]

everything in this is overpriced lol

but it'll look good to me and that's what i care about the most

[livid idol]

https://lian-li.com/product/uni-hub-sl-controller/

[formal socket]

perfect ty!

[livid idol]

$43 on amazon 💀 https://www.amazon.com/Dedicated-Controller-CONNECT3-Compatible-Authorized/dp/B0BPLZ88LD

[formal socket]

goes with the rest of the build's price

[livid idol]

You know I think it's cheaper and better to just get the 3 pack of fans and not use one so you get the hub included https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6kQcCJ/lian-li-uni-fan-sl-infinity-613-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-uf-slin120-3w

[formal socket]

i would've done that but im getting 2 normal fans and 2 reverse blade fans so i can have intake and exhaust look the same, it might still be cheaper anyway tho

if i get the 3 pack and 2 reverse its 150 vs 165

[livid idol]

Yeah that's what I'm saying, you can get the 2 reverse and 3 pack of regular, and it'll be cheaper than buying the hub separately

Then I guess you have a spare fan lol

[formal socket]

okay yeah, thx for pointing that out

yeah and its still cheaper lol

[nocturne marlin]

Hey all, have a small situation that I’m reaching out here for some help. I have 9 year old desktop that to make a long story short, works perfectly fine other than the GPU just going bad. I don’t want to invest heavy since I will just build a new one after this long, but want to invest the minimum to keep the PC running as a box or at least 1 or 2 more years.
It had a Nvidia GTX780.
My thought it get the same one or maybe 8 series at most just looking for the best I can get for the least.
Thoughts or suggestions please ?

I see several gtx780-880 refurbished/used for under $100, but have 0 experience in buying used parts.

[lone pond]

could probably do with a used 470/570/480/580 for ~$40. should be moderately faster as well

[nocturne marlin]

Forgive my lack of knowledge. Aren’t those 4 series slower than the 7 or 8 series?

[lone pond]

my apologies, I was referring to the AMD cards of the same name. the rx 470/570/480/580

the GTX 580 would be quite a bit slower lol

[nocturne marlin]

Think I might have to stick to nvidia since the rest of the pc was built around that? Could be wrong. $40 price point is great, but hoping someone used to buying used parts could provide a link with something under $100 shipped that looks good?

It has to be at minimum the power of gtx780 or could go better if it’s in the price range.

[wicked hound]

What do you mean the rest of the build was built around using a Nvidia GPU?

[nocturne marlin]

Does it not matter the rest of the build when choosing between nvidia and amd? Maybe I’m out of date but swear that was a thing based on the rest of the parts in the build

[lone pond]

your CPU/motherboard is GPU agnostic. if the board has a PCIE slot and so does your GPU then you're good to go

[nocturne marlin]

Understood, I guess I am just scared that if I don’t get the same as what I had I could run into comparability issues on such an old comp so figured sticking to nvidia was a good idea

[wicked hound]

Your primary concern should be usecase. Nvidia/AMD have different professional program support (which it sounds like you care about, sounds like an old workstation or smth).

[lone pond]

if they're rocking a 780 they're probably not using cuda for professional applications

but yes

[wicked hound]

Some people just need a D4 GT1030 clocked at 3.14Hz for random simple CUDA stuff idk

[lone pond]

in any case,

blower style OEM(?) rx 580

https://www.ebay.com/itm/334983658350?

and here's a 570 with a slightly less better cooler if you care about noise

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185959870942?

if by some chance you are doing professional stuff with cuda on an old card like that,

$50 1060, but again really bad/loud cooler

https://www.ebay.com/itm/165982997241?

at least one of those should hopefully have you covered ^-^

[nocturne marlin]

No just an old gaming rig. Was playing D4 on it fairly smoothly with the wife before GPU fried.

Looking at the links

[random walrus]

That 1060 is just a fan and shroud

[lone pond]

oh my bad lol

I wasn't looking too closely

no wonder it was only $50. I thought it was just because that model is absolute trash :p

sadge, $60 and a 3GB model

https://www.ebay.com/itm/126052412801?

should still roughly match a 780. alternatively you could spend $15 more for a 6GB model (which also has a few extra shaders)

[lone pond]

in that case the cheaper 570/580 is probably more in your corner

[nocturne marlin]

As long as it still plays D4, the 780 I know did play it, so that’s why originally I was looking at 780/880 (or better)

Would be super disappointed if I took a chance on a different model and it ends up not being able to handle it lol

[lone pond]

rx 570 should be a smidge faster than a 780, and a 580 a little better than a 570. either ought to be a perfectly adequate replacement for your setup

[nocturne marlin]

Ok so that very first link which was a 580 you think is probably best out of those so far then?

[lone pond]

the fastest, but the cooler is pretty bad so it'll likely run fairly loud, it's the best option if you don't mind that tho

otherwise, the 570 should be quieter, although also a little less performant

[gusty cave]

6900xt this look good? fans still too loud lol

[heady turtle]

Uh no, I'd definitely make it go to 100% at like 80c since that's the throttling point for gpus, if you want to make the fans quieter you should undervolt

[random walrus]

Wait gpus throttle at 80c?

6900xt in particular or all?

[nocturne marlin]

Ok so being told by the tech that the best option might be looking into a gtx 970 or 980 for price value and to be sure it doesn’t fall below the original 780 in performance….
Again, really never purchased a used or preowned. Anyone have a link of one that looks like a solid option?

Again, max $100 shipped

https://www.ebay.com/itm/166285693786?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D252740%26meid%3D273cf851c74a4bf4b38fe21edecaccbf%26pid%3D101430%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D166066744740%26itm%3D166285693786%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2332490%26algv%3DSimplAMLv10PairwiseNativeGreedyV3%26brand%3DEVGA&_trksid=p2332490.c101430.m2460&amdata=cksum%3A166285693786273cf851c74a4bf4b38fe21edecaccbf|enc%3AAQAIAAABAL8U4DH8fQDRkfNND%252BgL6RAWYxxKDJ%252BxjzkCeZBP50A%252FiEa2zZdQVFikuDO9Nj%252F9LNqzoQg8aNG91ZgXshjIa5j3Pf70CbbvX0WGH9s4LRzMTmT7%252Bh0wUk2oQ1oF6jgsrho%252BOi10Hm1UbWWskm6RRlXR8QdbPCN99Ax9P%252BDaDxEdAyULvYAiHRCphfPMjtlUL7ouQmcw2XCkGFx7Wis70rWdYjGiFw958%252FiVTU8HgOSZJSLeCpuF8t3LDzVJUtcB2nyrL573ktVcSZ0G%252FU%252FWKk5m9QN04CbX6tGa4Khv65F%252F1v61NLS1KvS8jAXBHsAIBER0x2xloJpXe8LHTsOYA9c%253D|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2332490&epid=220561868

Sorry for the long link…found this one seems like a good deal for a 4gig 980?

[nocturne marlin]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234908325972?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D252740%26meid%3Dbeddd186404c4bf9aaa6b96b541f92c9%26pid%3D101430%26rk%3D10%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D334929595701%26itm%3D234908325972%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2332490%26algv%3DSimplAMLv10PairwiseNativeGreedyV3%26brand%3DNVIDIA&_trksid=p2332490.c101430.m2460&amdata=cksum%3A234908325972beddd186404c4bf9aaa6b96b541f92c9|enc%3AAQAIAAABAL8U4DH8fQDRkfNND%252BgL6RAWYxxKDJ%252BxjzkCeZBP50A%252FromHigpjS1bIk1q3W%252FnHj%252BtcyW8CHl1PGbeVO%252FFQ4RjKJW8jEVg8lcJhQpwfx56nDythzTMTq9%252FrJcpdhqkUW9kAeKZ%252F1SbecdcSesgIWKrPT5tKvxQcJ3X36Z3n2t%252FGNTReW%252BS%252F3W4zmn6R1Hd%252FSmdmapElod%252F%252FM%252FizCqQp2voUmBSgMOJsg%252FfJ7zIWk6u%252BX6tqwQEROzSkA%252BZ7VDfXSUaaZ5kGTaQH4ssf6k%252BJBStjTTuEhG667Fl19yss6xBOUnJ6HcFjJgdLbtweScLdMSBtmK1tabHMQR4jRMXj1Dk%253D|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2332490

Another one now a 1080 which is much better not too much price difference? So hard to understand because the pricing doesn’t make sense lol

[nocturne marlin]

Sorry to bother, so does anyone think this is a buyer beware situation? Don’t want to buy used but seems like a nice card for under $100?

[lone pond]

rx 580/570 performs basically like a 980 anyway, but if you're more comfortable going with a nvidia card and don't mind spending a bit more then go for it. only thing I'd say is that if you're going to spend $80, you can get a GTX 1060 6GB instead for a bit better performance and some extra memory over the 980

https://www.ebay.com/itm/186032394839?

[livid idol]

For future reference you can shorten links by deleting the "?" and everything after.
The 980 is a meh deal and the 1080 was totally used in a mining rig, they're not even hiding it. They don't have the original fans.

[lone pond]

eh, not necessarily a bad thing. $90 isn't terrible if they strap a case fan or something to it. definitely better than spending $80 on a 980/1060

[livid idol]

It's not a case fan, it's a server fan that's like 30mm

[lone pond]

if they

I was referring to warmetal zip tying a random case fan to it for the lols

[livid idol]

Ah, well you'd still have to factor in the cost of the fan then and there's way better cards after that extra expense

[lone pond]

arctic p12 maxes are like $4 refurb from them on ebay rn. $98 all in all isn't too bad. I haven't paid much attention to the sub $100 market tho, so if there's better stuff then that's totally fair

[spare relic]

I got my 970 for 42.90 total recently

are prices up or is 980 just not as good a deal as 970

[lone pond]

5600 xt's were around $80 last I checked, so those are pretty neat. rx 5700/xt's not much more

[livid idol]

980 was never a good deal

[lone pond]

^

[gusty cave]

Dead fan? It wasn’t spinning so I pushed the bladed, started spinning but makes this noise

[livid idol]

Sounds like it's rubbing against the bottom of the case, loosen the screws and lift it up and see if it stops

If it does you can get washers to space out the fans from the case

[gusty cave]

Never made the sound before, haven’t moved anything either

Just fitted my new gpu

[livid idol]

Is the new GPU larger than the old one?

Because that would put some twisting force on the case which might make it warped slightly

[gusty cave]

Ye 5500xt to 6900xt

So I loosen the screws of that fan and is start spinning quicker but the sound still there

[livid idol]

Is it still making the noise when you lift the fan up?

[ivory herald]

At least 980 had a full 4GB, right? Possibly still not a big enough difference to be a concern though.

[lone pond]

yea, 980 was 4GB

[gusty cave]

Fixed had to loosen it

[spare relic]

I don't really think the 3.5+512 matters

[spare relic]

I got a 100 pack of rubber fan screws that you just tug through the hole in the fan + case, gives adequate spacing and noise isolation

[ivory herald]

Sure didn't for all the games played w/ it, no

[spare relic]

necessary? nah but I want them on all my fans

[spare relic]

people played games on it at 4k back when it was new

"why is it slow! is it because of the 3.5gb vram!"

[ivory herald]

Sure shows how big a jump 10 series was. 1070 vs 980 ti alone was a neat comparison. My 970 was $250ish when i got it at the time.

[nocturne marlin]

Appreciate all the feedback! @lone pond @livid idol I am pretty torn between the very used 1080 and 980 still but those seemed like the best I could find for gaming only under $100.

If anyone noticed something better or looks less used for around the same still open to suggestions!

[ivory herald]

Late reply, but I'll say 1080 would do you good being at least 50% faster in many games.

[oak rivet]

i actually still have my 970 beside

Ac valhalla when it touches that last 500mb the performance just crumbles

[rustic pulsar]

!ddu

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[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[rustic pulsar]

LETS GO LAST TRY

[nocturne marlin]

I agree, unfortunately it seemed both of those that I linked were super used and not even a possibility due to wear/parts changed ….looks like I’m on the hunt again for a good buy on a used / refurbished gpu that is at least a GTX 780 or better for under $100….not easy lol

[vital oriole]

It's expected honestly

They're old gpus

Eventually needs work to work optimally

aka taken apart to do repaste

[nocturne marlin]

Of course, this will prob get used for a year or so before replacing my whole rig. For now just need a temporary gpu to get pc back up and running to game

[ivory herald]

Ok if not 10 series let's aim for 900, even if it's the 970 instead of 980. @nocturne marlin actually there's a bunch of 1060's under $100 & take a glance at this 1060 Strix I found ($90) https://www.ebay.com/itm/175865298455
Also a 2fan Zotac for $65ish (auction) https://www.ebay.com/itm/325774920840

[lone pond]

1070 barely costs any extra

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385938201112?

oops, left ping on

big card mind you. there was also an $85 one, but the seller mentioned bad temps, so probs requires a repaste. also it was an MSI armor, which iirc had some thermal issues even when it wasn't running 7 year old paste? could be misremembering tho, it's hard to believe how long ago pascal was

[hot bough]

How much do you guys think a RTX 3070 XC3 Ultra is worth used nowadays?

Temps are good and had never had any extreme oc done to it.

[nocturne marlin]

Thanks for those 2 options Chill and Happy. Looking at them now.

[velvet grail]

6900xt, which one of these has a better cooling: gigabyte gaming oc or xfx speedster merc 319?

I'm guessing the the gigabyte one because of the bigger heatsink

[fading glacier]

300 to 350 tops

[odd siren]

300 would be a fair price yeah

[fading glacier]

you can get 3080s as cheap as 400 these days so, yeah

[nocturne marlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1124379443369082931/1142512853065154620/20230819_133744.jpg
$80 shipped what do ya think? Asus 6gb 1060 used but was working just replaced with a 2060

[lone pond]

looks good, it'll definitely suit your needs. only thing I'd say is that if you're going to spring for $80, $5 more gets you a 1070 if you want the extra oomf. if you won't use it then no reason to spend the extra little bit, but hey. 1070 is a good bit stronger if you want it

1070 roughly matches the 980 ti for example, whereas iirc the 1060 is more of a 980 competitor. could be off a little on the second comparison tho

[nocturne marlin]

Which one do you see that looks reliable for 1070 that is $5 more please?
Figured the asus strix is decent but maybe I didn’t see the one you’re saying or forget since I’ve looked at so many now

[lone pond]

this right here

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385938201112?

seller says it’s been repasted too, which is nice

no upkeep needed in the near future

[nocturne marlin]

Ok so will be $18 more with shipping, then I feel at that point for $30 more you find a 1080? Lol

[livid idol]

Well if you're going to play that game https://www.ebay.com/itm/385655969184

Factory refurb with warranty

[nocturne marlin]

Little jump right there!
The thing is I’m using a 9 year old rig. Asus mb with pci express, Samsung evo ssds, i5 processor and 850w power supply huge case lots of fans. Should I just put in a new card or just replace the gpu for less than a $100 for now with a 1060/1070

[fading glacier]

ifyou have the money i suggest you to get something more recent instead

you will have some bottleneck with your 9 years old pc no doubt, but you will profit more from it when you upgrade your pc as well

if not well, at least try to score a 1060 6gb version and ofc, for less than 100usd

the 1060 3gb aged pretty badly, i wouldnt recommend it

[oak rivet]

Wonder how the temps on this are probably a bit on the louder side but should get the job done

[livid idol]

AGED badly? It was bad when it launched 💀
It couldn't run fallout 4 1080p medium without running out of vram, and that came out the year before.

[fading glacier]

i was trying to be polite to the card xD

[oak rivet]

Sounds like the 4060ti 8gb now

Utter joke for 400

[livid idol]

You won't hurt it's feelings, you can call it how it is. A waste of sand and metal.

[livid idol]

That 4060 ti 16GB tho

The GPU so bad that no one wants to make it

Literally, I think only 2 brands picked it up and even they aren't doing many

[oak rivet]

Price is really with the issue with that thing

And the 6800xt around 500

[livid idol]

Oh yeah it gets destroyed no matter how you slice it

Nvidia's greed shows through again

[oak rivet]

6800xt on avg being 35-40% STRONGER

Not a good look

[livid idol]

Hey look on the bright side, it can beat the 6800 XT in cyberpunk with ultra experimental RT settings on

(but that's the only time it does)

[oak rivet]

I would say people who actually care about rt that much already know what to buy

[dreamy laurel]

except almost nobody cares about RT in almost every game its in

because guess what

it serves 0 practical purpose compared to what can be achieved in raster

[oak rivet]

Yeah

[dreamy laurel]

buh muh rayzzzz

explain to me one game that benefits from ray tracing in gameplay

and yes, i mean actually playing the game

not sitting back and saying wow this looks good while you hold the w key

[oak rivet]

Yeah it's meant to look better

When was it ever supposed to do anything with gameplay

[dreamy laurel]

maybe when you said it advances gaming

no it doesnt

graphics dont really impact anything in gaming outisde of visuals

[oak rivet]

OK

[dreamy laurel]

glad you got the point

[oak rivet]

No point is you are close minded

I will take my visuals along with gameplay 👍

[dreamy laurel]

says the literal amd and nvidia shill that posts benchmarks to justify his own purchase

[oak rivet]

OK you also keep shilling csgo as if the world revolves around it

[dreamy laurel]

ok and

i bring it up to prove a point that graphics dont make a game good

when that is literally your only logic

[nocturne marlin]

Fair enough, so in all your opinions if I was to just go buy build a new rig now….wait until Black Friday for major savings or not bother

If it’s worth to wait for Black Friday I can just grab the $80 used 1060 6gb for now and save in 2 months

[vital oriole]

black friday does have good deals, but black friday doesn't affect used market at all

[dreamy laurel]

^^