graphics-cards

[winged minnow]

well when the preasure builds up in the case, it will leave due to the atmosphere preasure being less

i didnt know this is #graphics-cards

bruh

[fading glacier]

imagine the scalpers xD

above 2k

[odd siren]

asus is disgusting

you should buy the 4090 at that point

[fading glacier]

suprim charging 200 more for premium like wtf msi?

[fading glacier]

if you can find one at that price xD

[odd siren]

at least suprim isn't 1549

strix straight up FE category

and too big of a difference in performance to compete with it

[fading glacier]

well, much like the strix 4090 at 2k

asus is way over their heads

[odd siren]

gigabyte eagle OC looks the most reasonable there

or trinity

[fading glacier]

the tuf non oc seem reasonable as well

or the pny

[odd siren]

cos they're forced to sell at least 1 at msrp

that's why

nvidia dragged their butts down to size

[fading glacier]

hope amd delivers this gen

xtx much better on paper, hope drivers and real performance are up to the task

[odd siren]

inb4 xtx asus is 1549

seriously asus wth tuf for 1499

how is that more worthy of it than suprim

lmfao

[fading glacier]

really?

[odd siren]

This one is a stupid price

Stupid amongst stupid

Lol

[fading glacier]

ah yes

i thought you had some insider info on the tuf xtx

[odd siren]

oh my bad

discord moment

[quartz gull]

4090 secured

[heady turtle]

ohh what model

[quartz gull]

Trinity

Talked him down to $1800 which is only $150 more than MSRP

I'm not freezing outside of a microcenter anymore no thank you

[fading glacier]

happy 4 u pal

[quartz gull]

Oh the Trinity model only has 3 8 pins instead of 4, interesting

[fading glacier]

🥳

[quartz gull]

So I guess max wattage is 107% instead of 130%

I was only planning on plugging in 3 anyways

I didn't expect it to be so much longer, it's 3 mm too long for my case with my radiator in there

It's a good 80mm longer than my 3080

I didn't expect it to be so much longer, I'm dumbfounded rn

[fading glacier]

now you need a new case

[quartz gull]

Yeah

Now I'll be in #cases-psu-and-cooling

[oak rivet]

looks girthy and big

[hasty monolith]

should i be worried about 6800xt and their stocks on newegg during black friday so should i buy asap?

[livid idol]

I'd just get them now, black friday tech deals are pretty bad. They'll mark things up the week before so it looks like a sale but it's regular price, or they'll sell special models for that day only that are stripped down in features

[hasty monolith]

im just getting a 6800xt since 6900xt is only like 10 percent or so increase in perf for 100 or more usd. though im getting the amd bundle with 2 free games

@livid idol i have a full pc build. those i could wait the most that sell out is the gpu right?

[livid idol]

It's hard to tell what's going to sell out because we don't know what the sales will look like. Sometimes they'll have actually decent deals on CPUs for example.

[hasty monolith]

i know the 5600 great sale

[livid idol]

Yeah that's been a good price lately

[hasty monolith]

probably since amd just recently released ther 7000 series cpus

[livid idol]

Even before that tbh

[hasty monolith]

i probably snag one whenever my new cc gets here hopefully tomorrow or over weekend

[livid idol]

Ooh it's down to $119 not bad at all

[hasty monolith]

between phantom gaming vs msi gaming z trio both 6800 xt which one should i get

[livid idol]

Whichever is cheaper

Or whichever you like the look of

[hasty monolith]

so differences are minimal

[livid idol]

Functionally they'll be nearly identical

[hasty monolith]

do i need 16 or 32 gig ram for 4k gaming?

[livid idol]

These days I'd go for 32gb

[hasty monolith]

thats what i thought

[livid idol]

I've run into a couple games now that 16gb is limiting me

[hasty monolith]

think god of war max settings needs 32 gigs

[livid idol]

Haven't tried that one but I know I get crashes in war thunder, no man's sky, flight sim, and control if I don't increase my page file

[proud halo]

so, is this the best channel for liquid cooling water blocks for an evga 3080
video card?

[heady turtle]

Evga have some ot their own aio stuff but honestly i wouldn't bother it's not the best value

[proud halo]

was looking at a corsair h xg7

🙂

[heady turtle]

What model exactly is your card? Ftw3 or xc3?

[wicked hound]

Also where are you finding an EVGA 3080 compatible XG7?

[proud halo]

ftw3

amazon, tis why i asked on here. newegg says there is one too

https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Hydro-Reference-Water-Block/dp/B08SBQMPVJ/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1B31XG8NGNPOE&keywords=corsair%2Bhydro%2Bx%2Bseries%2Bxg7%2Brgb%2B30-series%2Breference%2Bgpu%2Bwater%2Bblock&qid=1668189003&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011&rnid=2470954011&rps=1&sprefix=%2Caps%2C85&sr=8-1&th=1

amazon idiot told me that would work

[wicked hound]

So first thing I'd recommend is using Amazon as little as possible for gathering information. Using the official site allows for lack of misinformation.
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Custom-Cooling/Blocks/GPU-Blocks/Hydro-X-Series-XG7-RGB-30-SERIES-GPU-Water-Block/p/CX-9020015-WW

The Corsair site, under Tech Specs, shows that it's only compatible with reference PCBs as the name suggests. So now the goal is to figure out whether your FTW3 is a reference PCB or not. You should be able to find info online stating it isnt a reference PCB, and thus that Corsair block isnt compatible with your FTW3.

Trying to make your internet searches as barebones as possible typically results in nicer information. Meaning searching what kind of PCB your GPU is, instead of searching if block X is compatible with GPU Y.

[proud halo]

i see.....

thats another reason im here 🙂

[wicked hound]

Going back to Corsair's main site and looking at their GPU blocks, you'll find that no Corsair blocks support any Ampere EVGA GPU (No specific EVGA GPU block and EVGA has made no reference PCBs for Ampere).

As for what companies off the top of my head that do FTW3 blocks: Bykski, Barrow, Heatkiller, Optimus, Alphacool, EK
I usually recommend Bykski or Barrow as they're cheap and pretty good quality comparatively to other brands. Usually have to buy off a Chinese seller in Aliexpress tho, which means 3 - 5 week shipping time.

[proud halo]

ah 🙂 maybe i will rethink this....

[wicked hound]

Here are the two cheapest sellers I could find for the Bykski FTW3 block:
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804617394100.html
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803143678943.html

[proud halo]

ok thanks you rock 🙂

[cerulean rover]

Fun thing
https://us-store.msi.com/LuckyTicketGPU

[heady turtle]

lol

i signed up just cuz

[keen nacelle]

Same, not a chance in hell I'll be buying it lol

Though if I do end up winning I'll prolly find a friend who wants one and just give them my login

[livid idol]

I already have a MSI account for RMA support so I'll enter too

[keen nacelle]

I find it hilarious that gpu supply was so bad we started having raffles for a chance to buy something lol

[livid idol]

Yep

And now they overshot the supply and they're delaying the new stuff so we have to buy the old stuff

[keen nacelle]

Yeah

And overpricing a new gpu that barely outperforms last generations flagship

Overclocked 3090 ti with better dlss and lower wattage for $1200

[livid idol]

But people will still buy it because what choice do we really have

[odd siren]

AMD

[livid idol]

Still behind in several features

At least the encoder is pretty much caught up

[odd siren]

Yeah but if you're not doing workstation it's a strong case

[keen nacelle]

I'd rather a used 3080 at $500 than a 4080 16gb that's around 50% better for more than 2x the cost

[odd siren]

Or XTX that is definitely over 2x better for 2x the cost

[livid idol]

The 4080 that should have been the 4070 at best...

[keen nacelle]

Oh fs, just talking about nvidia rn

[livid idol]

And then the 4080 12gb 4070 ti that should have been a 4060

[odd siren]

I know but this is the perfect reason not to invest in nvidia rn since they're missing the mark

[keen nacelle]

Dw fal, theyre gonna come out with the 4080 4gb, 6gb, 8gb, and 20gb as well as re release the 4080 12gb

[odd siren]

Buying used is similar to crossing the floor as far as team green is concerned

[livid idol]

Honestly wouldn't put it past nvidia at this point, there's like 5 version of the 2060

[keen nacelle]

Is there?

Thought there was 3 not including super

[livid idol]

2060
2060 Super
2060 KO
2060 12GB

[keen nacelle]

Oh forgot about ko

That had the cut down 2080 die, right?

[livid idol]

Yep

[odd siren]

2060 mobile

[keen nacelle]

Both max q and max p

[odd siren]

Isn't the 60 sku usually close to desktop

[keen nacelle]

Not a clue

[odd siren]

Yes it is

Just lower clocks

[heady turtle]

same just feels like a waste not to sign up

[heady turtle]

same tbh

[livid idol]

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/4345vs4342vs4037vs4085/GeForce-RTX-3060-vs-GeForce-RTX-3060-Laptop-GPU-vs-GeForce-RTX-2060-vs-GeForce-RTX-2060-(Mobile)

2060 mobile is pretty close to desktop but 3060 isn't

[odd siren]

The fastest 3060 is ironically the mobile chip

Extra power brrr

Some 100W vs 140W

[livid idol]

Mobile is always stupid anyway, at least now more people are putting what wattage the CPU and GPU are allowed in reviews

[odd siren]

Ye

I really want to see what the 7700XT will be like

Would like to estimate it but the Navi 32, 33 dies aren't clock limited to under 3ghz apparently

[hasty monolith]

should i backorder or wait til the gpu becomes available

[livid idol]

From where?

[hasty monolith]

newegg

[odd siren]

Which gpu?

[hasty monolith]

6800xt phantom gaming

[odd siren]

Link?

[heady turtle]

just buy a non backorderd

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1677714-REG/sonnet_s_rx6800xt_16g_amd_radeon_6800_xt.html

boom 600$

[odd siren]

The newegg one is 534

[hasty monolith]

newegg has it cheaper for that price i might as well just get the phantom gaming 6900xt for another 55 usd

[odd siren]

No wait it's 515

What da hecc

[hasty monolith]

its a mail in rebate though

[heady turtle]

515 okay dam

[hasty monolith]

515-540 still a good price for a 800 card at msrp

[odd siren]

514 for a 6800XT is really good tho

[heady turtle]

ahh rebate ick

[hasty monolith]

plus 2 free games

[odd siren]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6800-xt-rx6800xt-pgd-16go/p/N82E16814930049

That's almost as good as that $420 3080 from a while back

[livid idol]

Meh games tho

[heady turtle]

whens the eta date?

[odd siren]

17th november

[hasty monolith]

17th

[odd siren]

I'd do it tbh

[heady turtle]

oh yeah then go for it

[odd siren]

Amazing find @hasty monolith

[hasty monolith]

yeah quick question if i backorder it can i change which cc it gets charged to before stock gets confirmed?

[heady turtle]

uh i dont think so?

id say its just whatever you go for when placing order

[hasty monolith]

thanks

[random walrus]

Might be able to use PayPal and change your preferred PayPal cc? Not sure though

[hasty monolith]

im just asking cause my new cc is coming either tomorrow or next week have 2 spend 1k and get 200 usd back

so im saving money sort of

[odd siren]

As long as you aren't getting extra charge fees and all that

315 6800XT for you then ig if you play your cards right

Neat

[heady turtle]

damm

[wicked hound]

Okay chance to be 4070Ti tbf. Depends on spec to perf scaling of Ada, which one can only estimate with current info until 4090Ti is out.

But man... That "4070Ti" 4060Ti is just.... such a meme.

[livid idol]

I hope AMD capitalizes on that. If the 7800XT is even 75% of the 7900XTX then it'll be a blowout.

[wicked hound]

Not enough info on AMD spec to perf scaling so who knows what rest of RDNA3 will look like. Tho given 7900XTX has a very high chance of being at least in the middle of 4080 - 4090 in raster perf, is a full die (highest end?), and isnt way above their 7900XT in specs, AMD seems fairly promising for the rest of their RDNA3 GPUs.

[odd siren]

Be surprised if the final samples were actually like that

Maybe just a copper tinge bleeding through

[brisk flame]

is that supposed to be an eng sample?

looks pretty good

[fading glacier]

you cant backorder with paypal 😦 tried it

[random walrus]

darn

[pine knot]

is there a big diff with the 6600xt and 6650xt??

pairing with a ryzen 5 5600

[fading glacier]

not really, like 3-5%, just get the cheapest one

[pine knot]

that’s the plan

[velvet grail]

Will a 1080ti be bottlenecked by a 9400f?

[keen nacelle]

Yes and no

Not noticeably

But in some games, sure

[oak rivet]

In majority games 1080ti should still be the limiting factor if you are doing 1080p high or higher res

[random walrus]

In eSports titles it might be cpu bottlenecked but you'll have high fps anyways

[oak rivet]

being gpu bound in esport titles is not a good experience anyway

[random zinc]

how much performance will i lose if i put a rx 6600xt on the second pcie slot on the motherboard its pcie x4 gen 3

[fading glacier]

depends on your cpu

oh pcie3

kinda half if you use the gen3 pcie x4

[random zinc]

ok ill just build another pc i guess

[vital oriole]

yeah that's gonna cause a big bottleneck

[wicked hound]

Also note that is 99% chance a chipset PCIe slot, okay chance to lose at least a tiny bit of perf there. Dont know how much tho.

[low heart]

I have a system I started building mid quarantine. I intended on buying one of the 30 series cards when they released but wasn’t able to get my hands on one on release and gave up for a long time. I have seen them in stock now for a while and want to finish my build. I have a ryzen 9 3900xt and 16 gbs of 3600 ddr4 ram what graphics cards are going to give me the most price to performance? Should I buy a 30 series card or should I go for the generation before?

[keen nacelle]

You'd be fine with any 30 series gpu, I'd also consider amd 6000 series

[livid idol]

What's your budget for the GPU? If you're ok with used you could get a 3080 for $500 easily, or get a new 6800XT for a little more that performs the same more or less

[low heart]

Is the price difference worth it for the the 3080 over a 3070?

[livid idol]

Unless you're doing high detail, hard to run games at 1440p high refresh or 4k then I don't think it's worth the extra $250 personally

[keen nacelle]

I'd just get 6800xt instead of 3070 personally

[low heart]

Ok I really don’t know that much about graphics cards so thanks

[pine knot]

ordered a 6600 now time to wait till friday to order the rest

[odd siren]

https://www.igorslab.de/en/good-or-bad-adapter-different-12vhpwr-adapter-for-nvidias-geforce-rtx-4090-and-where-you-can-see-backgrounds-investigative/

TL:DR Igor's now pointing to a specific brand of adapter (which isn't the only supplier) named Astron for a manufacturing issue

[fading glacier]

sadly those news are of no use to us the consumers

not like we choose

nor that we can check which one we get either

[odd siren]

We can

He gave us a little breakdown of the differences between the two suppliers

My 4090 turns up this week I'll let you know which one I get

[fading glacier]

so that way you can buy the custom solution if you get the wrong one?

[odd siren]

Yea

Well I already have a cablemod cable

But ye that's the gist, Igor'sLab put it in there for that reason

[wicked hound]

Last paged mentioned the 4070Ti and I kinda immediately got triggered. Nothing to do with Igor, just annoyed at Nvidia.

[odd siren]

Lol ikr

Waiting for that 900$ price tag

[wicked hound]

Either going to be $889 to be fair to the consumer, or $908 to be fair with the inflation since announcement.

[odd siren]

11$ less cos 11 looks like Ti

[oak rivet]

The more information that's out there the better tbh

[hasty monolith]

will newegg add anymore deals to their black friday ultimate sale with gpus?

[little sleet]

probably

last time they kept adding stuff and rotating stuff

[fading finch]

computer is about a year old, been using 2 screens on it since i had it built. now the 2nd screen won't work, is it the graphics card? or something else? tried unplugging and plugging everything back in, still not working. was working when i left about 3 hrs ago.

[fading glacier]

cable checked?

swap the cables on your 2 monitors

could be your cable or your monitor, dont think your gpu is related at all

[fading finch]

One monitor has older connector, newer monitor has HDMI connector.

Old monitor doesn't have HDMI connector, new monitor doesn't have the larger old connector, so can't try switching cables.

[fading glacier]

auch

thing is, when you check for a problem you start from the more likeable approach then you dig deeper... in your case you need to check if your monitor is ok first, then the cable.... and start from there, if both are ok then could be the port on your gpu

try to find a way to check if your monitor is ok like pluggin it on another pc

as the saying goes: "When You Hear Hooves, Think Horse, Not Zebra"

maybe the solution is easier than you think

[fading finch]

Going to try connector in laptop

Laptop doesn't detect the monitor

[fading glacier]

well, now the problem lies on either the monitor or the cable

most monitors have a detachable cable, so the cable could be the culprit

could be the monitor itself... in any case your gpu is fine

[fading finch]

Will plan to get a new cable in the morning

Cheaper than a new monitor

[fading glacier]

hopefully the cable is the problem, try cleaning the connectors as well, maybe bad contact is the problem, some dust buildup on the monitor connector maybe

[fading finch]

Cleaning didn't work, at least not blowing out with compressed air

[fading glacier]

worth a try anyway

[hasty monolith]

I know i ask this before but does newegg add more things to their black friday ultimate sale? This is my first time building a pc during black friday

[fading glacier]

ofc they will

in fact the bf sale hasnt even started

[hasty monolith]

Thx

[fading glacier]

you are just looking at the pre black friday deals

[hasty monolith]

Im looking at their black friday ultimate sale from 20th to 26th

[fading glacier]

yes as well, they usually keep the juicy ones for the black friday week

next week will be for the last items

[hasty monolith]

Yeah.

[fading glacier]

ill build mine on black friday as well

[hasty monolith]

Nice so a ddr5 build with trying for 4090

[fading glacier]

good luck finding a 4090

ill try a 13600 with some 6400 ddr5

and then ill try my luck on the 7900xtx

if not then ill settle on a 3080

gotta love the scalpers

[odd siren]

You want my 6200?

[fading glacier]

[hasty monolith]

Im not. Im just if u going to. @fading glacier im doing an amd build of either 5600 or x depending which is in stock and have the uncharted game bundle with 6800xt or 6900xt with two amd game bundle. Just ddr4 build

[fading glacier]

thats a nice idea, 3 free games with your build

5600 is still pretty solid... and cheap

[odd siren]

Just remember for a 5600 build you should pick one of two motherboards to ensure you have out-of-the-box compatibility

5600X doesn't really have this issue

Asus prime b450m-a ii or msi b550m pro vdh wifi

[hasty monolith]

Planning 2 im planning on b550 tomahawk

[fading glacier]

[livid idol]

Something with flashback would be fine too

[odd siren]

That's....not a cheap board iirc

Can't remember if bios flash but not the greatest pairing for a low end ryzen

[hasty monolith]

It goes on sale next week

[odd siren]

How much?

[fading glacier]

thats a good question... most of the "sales" are just the regular price xD

[livid idol]

It has the flash button

[hasty monolith]

Think got a code on newegg for 20 or 25 usd off

[odd siren]

I think you need more than that to be worth it

Iirc that's a 200$ board

[livid idol]

Yeah that's still too much

[fading glacier]

[livid idol]

It's $170 rn but still

[fading glacier]

i wouldnt pay anything above 150 for an am4 plattform

[odd siren]

These two are $80 and $110 respectively

Both will run a 5600 or 5700X no problems

[hasty monolith]

Probably stick with b550 or m due to pcie 4.0x4 capable

[odd siren]

What's the pc for?

[fading glacier]

pro vdh is a good choice

cheap and capable

[hasty monolith]

Pc gaming mostly

[fading glacier]

and msi 😛

[odd siren]

You won't need pcie 4.0 nvme's

It's nice but you won't notice the difference on pc games

Well, barely notice really

[livid idol]

Another "nicer" board option for $130 https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b550-gaming-x-v2/p/N82E16813145255

[fading glacier]

gigglebyte.... but thats just me 😛

[odd siren]

Pcie 4 nvme's are better for big storage or big production PC's

You can save a good buck on a very good budget nvme and it'll be pretty much equally fast

[hasty monolith]

Need something with wifi i like full atx boards

[odd siren]

Then grab the gigabyte

[livid idol]

Doesn't have wifi

[odd siren]

Oof

I thought that said AX not X

Giving me the giggles

[livid idol]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B089FTMG2B

[odd siren]

There's another flash board

[livid idol]

Wifi, full atx, qflash

[fading glacier]

oooff 139usd for the ddr4 b660-aman thats a steal for a 12400f build

[livid idol]

Heatsinks are a bonus, looks nicer imo

[fading glacier]

just me or foxy just upgraded to legend?

maybe just my eyes playing tricks xD

[hasty monolith]

Thx

[odd siren]

Been there a while

Kek

[fading glacier]

ok you know what that means?

another cup of coffee

[heady turtle]

Oop 4080 reviews
https://youtu.be/i2_xTUshy94

[heady turtle]

Currently embarrassed for Nvidia

[slate ledge]

3090 or 6900xt

[heady turtle]

The cheaper so 6900xt

[slate ledge]

Nvidia or amd for vr build

[heady turtle]

Literally doesn't matter for vr get the cheaper

[heady turtle]

4090 has better fps /dollar than 4080 lololol

[harsh compass]

Is this a nvidia graphics issue? It’s usually totally fine until i open MWII then it lingers for a bit after i close the game, sorry its hard to see it started slowing down when i took this

Its the black flash..

[odd siren]

Very sad for nvidia. As a result the titan card(s) will appear to have good value with the 80 cards like this, but $/fps the 4080 (and ultimately below it) feels very linear

3080 12gb still looks like good value with this release

I agree with GN's take very strongly. It's very consumer-focused, we don't really win anything from that card given the market rn

[heady turtle]

Not linear but worse at least in some cases, i did the math and the 4090 got better $/fps

[odd siren]

I believe you, I haven't done any math on it lol

Once we see that 4070 Ti drop for what, 850? 800? It's probably going to be a lot more apparent that we are paying for barely any better value imo

Hell 3080 12gb as a full suite should be giving better value than a 4080 at like $750 rn

[heady turtle]

4090 had 7.477$/fps
4080 had 7.895$/fps
At least using the fps from FFXIV endwalker at 4k from GN review

Yeah

[livid idol]

I'm looking forward to the HUB multi-game chart for this

So we can see a better average

[odd siren]

Hub is so reliable now imo

[fading glacier]

still stagnation was the right word for that product

[odd siren]

I know a lot won't agree with me on that but HUB does soooo much testing

[fading glacier]

yeah steve and steve are very good reviewers

[heady turtle]

Where they not at one stage?

[hollow void]

does anyone have any idea what time the 4080s go on sale tomorrow, like do i need to be up at midnight if i wanna try to get one?

[fading glacier]

the world is not prepared for that

[odd siren]

No, just they've gotten even better

[livid idol]

It's usually 9AM launches iirc

[fading glacier]

9am est

[odd siren]

There are a lot of discords that hate Hub with a passion

[heady turtle]

Probably 9am or something

Yeah probably est

[hollow void]

aight thanks yall

[heady turtle]

Dont see why they would tbh

[fading glacier]

microcenter posted the date and time a long ago, so it must be the official launch

9am est

[odd siren]

As with any tech community, love/hate are amplified

[fading glacier]

still look at the reviews pal... is a bad product at that price

[odd siren]

@hollow void I would wait for AMD's cards to drop. If their drivers work well you'll get more fps for less than the 4080

[fading glacier]

if you play below 4k then 3080 is a better prodcut, if at 4k and want to spend that much money, 4090 is better value

you dont need a 4080 for 1440p

its a large waste of money

[livid idol]

Not just 4k either, 4k120+

Not that you can do more than 4k120 anyway because it's still DP 1.4

[fading glacier]

which is odd at that price point

and amd proved it already

[odd siren]

4K240 is possible with dsc on dp 1.4

[livid idol]

Yeah they jumped straight to DP 2.1

[livid idol]

Ew compression

[fading glacier]

"moore law's dead" yeah sure thing Jensen

tell that to amd

[odd siren]

Meh

[livid idol]

Moore's law isn't dead, the innovation of your engineers is

[odd siren]

No the price scaling is just adjusted for titans to look better

[fading glacier]

man all those reviews made the 3080 a beast of a card even today

[odd siren]

For the longest time titans have looked gross, now this gen? It's looking better overall (so far)

[fading glacier]

wondering if the price on the 3080s will skyrocket

[livid idol]

nah

Still a bunch of mining farms selling on ebay

[odd siren]

3080's won't go up, they'll sell out first

Then comes the lower end skus

[fading glacier]

now i feel regret for not buying the strix 3080 with the doom bundle

[odd siren]

They'll want the inventory gone first, they'll keep that train running as long as they can

Meh, strix

Gaming Z

[fading glacier]

at 800usd wanst meh

[livid idol]

Gaming Z was pog

One of the best models and best prices

[odd siren]

OC formula and gaming z imo

Out of all options in the stack

[livid idol]

Ok so based on these charts we're seeing $6.35 per frame at 1440p and $10.81 per frame at 4k for the 4080 (if you can get it at msrp)
Compared to the 6950 XT available for $780 today, $5.13/frame at 1440p and $9.18/frame at 4k. That's before the additional $20 rebate to bring it down to $760.
Also compared to the 3080 available used for $500 or less, $4/frame at 1440p and $6.84/frame at 4k. (using $500 as the price)

[fading glacier]

the sad truth

[odd siren]

Yeah so ignoring used, it's about linear

Very sad indeed

[fading glacier]

yeah the 1:1 ratio is atrocious

should be same price, better performance to be a valid upgrade

[odd siren]

On the plus side used once again making sense

Like goin hard fr

[fading glacier]

you knwo how weird you sound rn?

[livid idol]

There's still plenty of games that cpu bottlenecked at 1440p max settings with the 4080, so that's another 4k only card tbh

[heady turtle]

Still can't believe nv wanted to save what 10 cents per gpu on this?

[odd siren]

You should expect that from me on a daily basis

[heady turtle]

10 cent feels generous

[brisk flame]

and thats on god

no cap

[odd siren]

Ong ong

[livid idol]

for laughs

[odd siren]

I hate that, people will look at that and still get it for 1080p

[heady turtle]

I was like wow they're close i wonder why

Lol

Realised it was 1080

[fading glacier]

even at 1080p, the 3080 looks better

[odd siren]

Industry needs a term for GPU's like CPU's and IPC

[fading glacier]

165hz 1080p monitor is good value

if cheap

1080p 300hz is not

[odd siren]

1080p 240hz for me 4090 brrrrrrr

[livid idol]

I posted a 1440p 165hz 32" monitor for $220 yesterday

[odd siren]

X27q?

[heady turtle]

Yeah

[odd siren]

Neat

[brisk flame]

i assume these graphs do not include AI gimmicks, right?

[fading glacier]

my point is, even with the best 1080p monitor you will get a hell of a gpu with a 3080 on that

[livid idol]

Almost to the point where 1080p is no longer relevant and priced out

[odd siren]

Ofc

[heady turtle]

Just raster

[fading glacier]

no need for anything above

[livid idol]

#tech-deals message

[odd siren]

[livid idol]

HUB doesn't like RT

[odd siren]

LG

[odd siren]

And I agree with that

[heady turtle]

X27q too

[odd siren]

RT still not a mainstay yet

[livid idol]

But the LG is 32"

And is rated a decent entry level one

[heady turtle]

More like rWays to Take your money

[odd siren]

X27Q got downvoted cos "Can't handle PS5 or Series X" on rtings

[heady turtle]

It's a silent r

Lol?

[odd siren]

Yes go look

It's listed as a con

[heady turtle]

Can't handle?

[livid idol]

Seeing as the PS5 can't do 1440p that's irrelevant, you need 4k for that

[heady turtle]

Yeah that's what i was thinking

[odd siren]

Full advantage

[heady turtle]

Oh take full advantage

[odd siren]

Forgive me it's early morning

[livid idol]

Well duh it can't take full advantage of a PS5, it'll run at 1080p120hz lol

[heady turtle]

Lol

[odd siren]

Still what a stupid downvote reason

[heady turtle]

Yeah

[odd siren]

First time I felt like someone didn't know what they were doing on there

Lol

[livid idol]

That's why it's a voting system, far more upvotes than down shows it's overall good

Oh silly me HUB already analyzed the per frame costs

I hadn't finished the video yet lol

[odd siren]

Can I mention an upshot of the 4080 rq which is actually a really nice thing

It hovers 200-250W

ADA really showing efficiency colours rn

[livid idol]

Yeah it's a lot more power efficient, which shows that gen had potential to be way better frames/watt but nvidia can't stand being in second in anything

[odd siren]

Granted that's the FE but that's a nice thing

RT pushes it a fair bit higher

[livid idol]

Their charts aren't accounting for the 6950 XT being cheaper right now, they have it at $870

But gaming x is $780 rn

[odd siren]

Well they're saying typical price

[heady turtle]

Well when they can basically overclock and sell the gpus for more why would they leave headroom for you

[fading glacier]

Yeah cant talk s*** about the features of the card, every feature and technological advance on the 40 series is not a joke... but as paul from paul's hardware said "its overshadowed for the price"

[odd siren]

So not lowest

[odd siren]

Yup

Man sub 310W on 12vhpwr adapters sounds so much less dramatic than 525W

[livid idol]

Right? lol

[odd siren]

I feel like none of those 80 cards will have it

Except for extreme dummies on strix cards

Who shoulda bought a 90 anyway

[livid idol]

All the partner model 4080s have the new connector

[fading glacier]

that sad, a 3 pcie... heck even a 2 pcie connectors should do the trick

[heady turtle]

I've a feeling Nvidia made them

[livid idol]

Yep 2x8 pin maxes at 375W, that even leaves room for OC on a 310W card

At least we're less likely to melt a 4080 using that much less power

Now that I've satisfied my curiosity for stock performance... I want to see LN2 benches

There moved my message so it doesn't split yours

Discrud did for me

I wanna see the 4070 ti super extreme for $1150

[odd siren]

4070 Ti extreme maximus apex predator

4060 Ti platinum superior hunter of the deep

[wicked hound]

Wont be a 4050Ti. Given Nvidia is putting the 4060Ti as a 4070Ti, lowest we'll have is a 4060 2GB (RT 4030) ||/s||

[odd siren]

Kekw

[icy crow]

Hey guys, I was hoping to see what a good graphics card to upgrade to would be? Rn i have an amd rx 580 and want something that would do me good for current games and maybe the next few years

I was thinking a 3080 would be good?

[fading glacier]

you need to start with your budget and targeted resolution

[icy crow]

just in an ideal build for the card. no budget really ig. Just not the new 40s cause i know those will be very expensive

[green kindle]

Hey, I was wondering if I should update my drivers because I think when I factory reset my pc, Windows automatically installed the drivers. My gpu is a RX 6600 and I was just wondering if I should install the AMD drivers instead.

[brisk flame]

you should install the amd drivers

windows update drivers are generally meant to be stable and nothing more, so they rarely update them

[green kindle]

Ok, thanks

Should I worry about updating any of my other drivers

[wicked hound]

7900XT might be a nice-ish top end GPU for raster perf/$. AMD isnt as mean as Nvidia for price increases lol

[brisk flame]

not really, the other drivers arent updated nearly as often as the driver package for your gpu, so those are fine

[green kindle]

Ok, thanks

Will the amd tool install the new driver and automatically uninstall the old driver

[livid idol]

The default driver it downloaded is disabled, just in case you uninstall the official driver so you can still use the pc

[green kindle]

Ok, so I shouldn’t mess with uninstalling anything

[livid idol]

Yeah it'll do what it needs to automatically when installing

[green kindle]

Alright

Thanks

[alpine field]

Rn I have a 650w power supply and around $350 and I’m looking for a new gpu. The best I’ve found is a 6700 xt. I was wondering if anybody knew of anything better

[livid idol]

That's about right, should be nice and happy on 650W too

[alpine field]

Thank you!

[icy crow]

sweet thank you

[wicked hound]

As per normal for GPU stuff tho, wait for reviews on it

[keen nacelle]

I'd love a 40 series pcie powered gpu with like 2070 super or better perf

[wicked hound]

Assuming lower end GPU tiers arent insanely whack, should be 4050 - 4060 area. But idk now, Im concerned about lower end tiers due to "4060Ti" stuff.

[keen nacelle]

4060 ti gonna have 3060 performance lmao

With a $700 price tag

[oak rivet]

💀

Going backwards I see

[livid idol]

The way this bass ackwards gen has been I could see something like that

[strong flax]

I just received my arc a770 and it physically won't fit on my gigabyte aorus master x570 board b/c the back of the GPU is hitting the giant chipset heatsink/fan on the mobo, how is this even a thing???

[hasty monolith]

is arc770 any good compared to nvidia or amd?

[strong flax]

I couldn't tell ya! so far it's not doing so hot considering i can't even plug it in!

[vital oriole]

Oof that sucks

[vital oriole]

Only comparable to 3070 sometimes, otherwise it can fall apart and even be slower than 3060

[strong flax]

I don't think the chipset heatsink is removeable, i don't think it's possible to mount the GPU normally, i'd have to get a vertical mounting bracket

[vital oriole]

Perhaps

The chipset will overheat if you remove its heatsink

[strong flax]

I was going to use the A770 in my 2nd PC, my best option might be to swap the mobo in that PC with an asus rog strix B550 board in a different PC

i'll just have to hope that the intel arc card fits on the B550 board

[oak rivet]

if the 4070 performs like a 3090ti in raster and rt also has dlss3 they just gotta price it at 600$ msrp

[vital oriole]

that won't be the case

[wicked hound]

The "4070Ti" is the 3090 - 3090Ti card. "4070" will be lower.

[vital oriole]

4080 is the 3090ti card

[wicked hound]

No?

[vital oriole]

also ^

oh, wait yeah

it's faster

but i doubt 4070 would be as fast as 3090ti anyway

[wicked hound]

The super fake 4080 that is now gone, sure, cuz that the "4070Ti" now.

[vital oriole]

lol

[fading glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/atg-capa-stucapa-studiocapa-pandu-gif-24944581

[inland dove]

Is it worth going from a 3080 ti to a 4080?

[odd siren]

More worth going to 7900XTX provided the drivers when it comes out are fine

[inland dove]

Wat if I prefer staying with nvidia and not amd cards

[odd siren]

Not really

[fading glacier]

well if you are an nvidia die hard then your wallet will suffer... a lot 😛

[inland dove]

Ik

[fading glacier]

jokes aside, the card is very good according to the benchmarks, however the price is very bad... if you are goin to pay that, then is a good card.... worth? that depends on viewer... for a lot of folks around here.... no

the 7900xtx appears to be more capable and way cheaper, but we should wait for the reviews on december

[inland dove]

Okay

[fading glacier]

welp, newegg have the prices on the 4080s already

1550 on the strix, lawl

[livid idol]

Yeah we knew that already, what a meme. 25% less performance for only a $50 discount 💀

[fading glacier]

seems like the shortage all over again

need ma copium

[heady turtle]

Shortage seems to only be in the us btw

Did 4080s launch already?

[fading glacier]

nope

[heady turtle]

You can get 4090s in the uk for 1.8k instead of 1.6k?

So

And apparently 4090 fe stay in stock for while

[fading glacier]

yeah for our european friends nvidia cards are way too expensive, even for scalping

[heady turtle]

Oh even better instead of £1650

[fading glacier]

no market at all

[heady turtle]

Nah it's because we include tax in our prices

4090 FE COSTS 1950 IN EU

[fading glacier]

yup, thats the expensive part... add the high electrical bills on europe,,,,

[heady turtle]

What the

Mmmmn seems random

[fading glacier]

i suppose the Y axis represents fps on 4k

yeah

seems very random but the part where the amd cards land seems quite accurate according to amd

still... truckload of salt on that fanmade chart

[toxic umbra]

Question. Running dual monitor setup, 32" 4K for Microsoft Flight Simulator and then a 24" 1080p second monitor for charts, vpilot, etc. Both are currently connected to the same EVGA RTX 3070 XC3. I have an older GeForce 8600GS 512 GPU just sitting on a shelf and was wondering, if I run the 3070 exclusively for my 4K monitor, then the 8600 for the second monitor, would I get better performance in the sim since the 3070 wouldn't be split running 2 monitors? Or if it wouldn't make a difference separating the video?

[keen nacelle]

The difference is so negligible it's nonexistent

[fading glacier]

you will gain more heat and turbulence inside your case for no performance gain, not to mention more power draw

[slate ledge]

Should I get thr 3060 ti. Since I don't have money for the 3080 or 3090 and will the 3060 work as well as the 3080 or 3090 for vr

[keen nacelle]

3070 is $400 rn

https://www.newegg.com/p/1FT-000P-004C4?

[plucky holly]

I beath the botters and gopt a msi gaming x 4080

[keen nacelle]

How much :p

[fading glacier]

[keen nacelle]

Hopefully not more than $1200, it's barely better than a 3090 while you can get a 3090 for $850 used pretty easily

[plucky holly]

1400 on the nose

[keen nacelle]

F

[fading glacier]

[plucky holly]

i have the money.

[keen nacelle]

Doesn't make it worth it

[plucky holly]

well with my zotac 3080 ti i got from newegg shuffle

i do

for $1900

[fading glacier]

Well, i mean, its a very good card.... terrible value but very good card

if you can stomach the price, good for you

still

[plucky holly]

I build/repair/mod pcs and then i also do IT for the IRS so yeah i got extra money.

[fading glacier]

me feeling so poor on my 750ti

only 4050 numbers more 😄

wait i got my math all wrong

[oak rivet]

watching the benchmarks the difference is soo much bigger on the 4080 vs 4090 then it was on the 3080 vs 3090

[fading glacier]

well he did beat the bots

all of them are oos

[fading glacier]

yeah, thats not new 😛 the difference is just brutal

[plucky holly]

im just glad i beat the bots

[dreamy dragon]

Sinlol#4586 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[plucky holly]

so if i lose my job, im selling a 4080 xD

oh my message got deleted for saying a bad word

I was on the phone with a user for a Dhcp issue with their thin client and i said " OH S***"

when i saw the card go into my cart

I gave up on the 4090. i was on vacation with little to no internet on an island trying to buy a 4090 on launch day.

picture some dude freaking out that my phone is slow because of my geolocation on a beach

[wicked hound]

Yes, but it is worth pointing out that Ampere had some pretty good perf to tier scaling comparitive to previous gens. 4080 isnt super far off from old perf to tier scaling for XX80 tier. Could also be the same, but I have yet to compile 100% GPU bound tests for accurate percentage numbers.

[fading glacier]

👀

[lone pond]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/zGFbt6/xfx-radeon-rx-6650-xt-8-gb-speedster-qick-308-ultra-video-card-rx-665x8ludy
this good?

[keen nacelle]

This is better https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/2zqPxr/powercolor-fighter-radeon-rx-6700-10-gb-video-card-axrx-6700-10gbd6-3dhoc

[lone pond]

im tryna go triple fan and the rx 6700 is only 2% better

[keen nacelle]

Where did you get that from

6700 is about 12% better

[lone pond]

i perfer quiet over unnoticeable performance

[lone pond]

no?

check techpowerup

[keen nacelle]

Where are you looking

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/4564vs4541/Radeon-RX-6700-vs-Radeon-RX-6650-XT

Also there's this https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Rs92FT/xfx-speedster-swft-309-radeon-rx-6700-10-gb-video-card-rx-67xlkwfdv

[lone pond]

that website is missing alot of info

[lone pond]

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-6700.c3716

go to relative performance

[keen nacelle]

Passmark uses benches from many users

[lone pond]

4% from the upper side

so 3% from the lower

[keen nacelle]

Whatever, your money not mine

[heady turtle]

Tpus relative perf is ehhhh

Would recommend looking here and sorting my graphics score
https://www.3dmark.com/search

[lone pond]

honestly i dont know if its worth paying £20 extra for a tiny 4% difference when i could just be getting a really good looking card for cheaper

[keen nacelle]

He just-

Ok

[heady turtle]

10627 vs 9646 it's 10% mate but you do you

[keen nacelle]

I will never get why someone comes and asks a question when they already are dead set on their own answer

[heady turtle]

Beats me

[vital oriole]

"techpowerup says this gpu is this fast so imma swear by it"

that's me in 2019 tbh, thinking ddr3 850m would match 750ti lolol

[heady turtle]

https://youtu.be/ig2px7ofKhQ

Ohhhhhhh

[vital oriole]

302c

cookin some plastic

[lone pond]

just seen 3 different sources saying completely different things, not like you can even trust any of them

[vital oriole]

i mean if you insist, you're always free to choose

[oak rivet]

Can't do 3dmark either

The top is mostly filled with overclocked to hell gpu scores and low to high is also underclocked as hell

Better of just using standard benchmarks

[lone pond]

thats why i perfer techpowerup

[oak rivet]

Benchmark figures like this one or the relative one?

[lone pond]

i tend to look at a few of them and base it off the relative one for rendering

[oak rivet]

Well rendering pretty Nvidia favoured a lot of the times relative chart doesn't account for any of that

[lone pond]

i dont do much rendering just a bit for games

[keen nacelle]

... then why base performance differences off rendering performance

That's like judging cpu gaming performance off its multi core performance

[heady turtle]

Thats why you use the average number

[oak rivet]

Such extreme highs and lows skews the average tho

[lone pond]

the average includes the stupidly overclocked double gpu scores

[keen nacelle]

Whatever, you do you

This conversation is pointless

[lone pond]

we were responding to pato

[keen nacelle]

Who is arguing the same thing I'm arguing

[heady turtle]

Avg = all scores so normal overclocked and underclocked / the amount of submissions

Noone really has that much of a stupid overclock apart from one guy who probably has it on ln2 but they will cancel out

[remote patrol]

found a rx 6700 for €390

[wicked hound]

Synthetics only are good for intergenerational comparisons tbf

Sometimes they can work extragenerationally, but only sometimes

[heady turtle]

i guess but still not a huge fan of TPU reviews since they mix and match hardware iirc

[wicked hound]

Almost definitely, they go all the way back to ancient GPU tests. Another issue is many of their tests arent GPU intensive for recent GPU tests, and potentially older ones idk. My unfinished graph for reference (take with a grain of salt if anyone wants to reference this, duplicate data messes with Box&Whisker data)

[heady turtle]

like iirc ive seen tpu cpu reviews with one cpu using like 3600mhz and one using 2133 or something

[wicked hound]

Also, Box & Whisker should be the common way to show average perf tbf. Helps show variation and outliers. Wish more testers did it .

[heady turtle]

box and whisker?

[odd siren]

Type of graph

[wicked hound]

The thing in my image above

[odd siren]

Indood

[heady turtle]

its confusing to read tbh

[odd siren]

I don't blame ya lol

It's not the easiest type of graph to read

[wicked hound]

Can use the B&W to excludes outliers for better average perf, if you remake the data after excluding outliers.

[odd siren]

@heady turtle

[heady turtle]

im too tired to try understand that

[odd siren]

Basically the core results are the big blue bar

The more outward or really uncommon are on the lines or whiskers

[heady turtle]

i see

[odd siren]

And the really weird or total outliers are dots

[heady turtle]

ohh

[odd siren]

Ya

You've now learned how to use cats on graphs

[heady turtle]

meow

[odd siren]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-cat-gif-25591285

[quartz gull]

4080 still not sold out, on launch day.

Not a good look considering the last 5 Nvidia generation launches

[wicked hound]

Being blessed with Ampere perf to tier numbers and then insane Ada prices, not a good look for new GPUs to the average consumer

[fading glacier]

not sold on person, but online they are all out of stock

guess bots cant purchase on site xD

like this guy stated on videocardz

[quartz gull]

Newegg had 4 models left in stock like 2 hours ago

They still have 4 models in stock on Newegg, cheapest being $40 above MSRP

[quartz gull]

Guys my 4080 is stuck in the slot, the slot is open but the right side won't give up the GPU. It'll rip the socket off the board

[odd siren]

Why you tryna take it back out??

Fitment issues?

Don't force it if it's stuck

Don't try to pry it either you'll scratch the pcie fingers

[quartz gull]

New case

My radiator been sitting outside my case since 4090 purchase

Slot and fingers seem fine, got it out. I guess it's so heavy that the friction was preventing it from being pulled out after I removed it from the support stick

I had to lift it up like an inch to pull it out

Fun fact my 4090 weighs more than my 3050ti r7 5800h laptop

[odd siren]

Yeah the suprim seems to weigh about the same as the 6800H lappy I have

It's lighter than it looks tho

A waterblock card is easily heavier

Glad you got it out tho

[fading glacier]

well, he is right, they are in stock 😮

[odd siren]

[fading glacier]

so... we won?

[odd siren]

Idk

[fading glacier]

seems like ppl grew a brain after all

[odd siren]

I'm glad tbh, 4080 is a waste

Well, not a waste, but pointless

[fading glacier]

maybe they will listen this time and drop the price to 1k at least

at 1k even ill buy it

[odd siren]

I agree

It's not worth 200 more but same price? Yes

That's your known rdna 2 vs ampere moment

[fading glacier]

[odd siren]

Well then you have the cuda benefits as well as rt and dlss sorta making up that raster deficit

[fading glacier]

dlss and rt in fact are the big guns here... cuda meh from a gamer standpoint

if i want cuda to make money ill just buy a 4090, scalped and all... ill roi it anyway

[odd siren]

Indeed but def not for workstation

If we really consider it objectively CUDA is the only serious advantage

[fading glacier]

fsr as good as it is still lag behind dlss

and not talking of dlss3

if somehow nvidia listen and drop the price... maaaaan

[odd siren]

They will

If XTX does even meet half the expectations out of the gate they will

I'm just sad that on paper it looked so much better lol

[fading glacier]

well on paper look better ya, but we both know real perfomrnace will be half that

if xtx fail to meet the 4080 then bye bye reduced price

raster is the only ground for a win on amd, rt and dlss will destroy the xtx

[odd siren]

Sure but that's plenty of reason to force nvidia's hand

Nvidia hates to lose

Remember the super series?

[fading glacier]

exactly, that why it need to win over the 4080... somehow

[odd siren]

Kek

[quartz gull]

Super series

Pure spite in GPU launch form

[oak rivet]

[hot bough]

Has there been any updates on the melting cables? I've refrained from ordering the 4090 just yet due to that .

[fading glacier]

yeah, melting most of the time is due to user error

theres a big video from gamer jesus posted today

about that

so... if not a 4090 then what are u going to do?

👀

[odd siren]

XTX

XTX

[hot bough]

So it isn't product-error?

[odd siren]

It is, but the statistics are working out to be an extremely low failure rate

(though this was also sort of known from the start)

Most of the times have been attributed to user error by reliable sources now

[hot bough]

Got it. Think I will take my chances next time I see a 4090 I like at MSRP.

[fading glacier]

yup, not a product error but bad handling

[odd siren]

The golden rules to note

Insert it properly

Give the cable plenty of slack

[fading glacier]

dont think we will see one at msrp for a long long time

[odd siren]

Properly inserted implies the cable plug is totally in

[fading glacier]

you either get an xtx at launch date or just pay the scalped price

[odd siren]

This also applies to any 12vhpwr plug*

[hot bough]

I have the fractal torrent just sitting next to my bed. Would that offer plenty of slack?

[fading glacier]

should be

[odd siren]

It's likely gonna, that case is enormous

[hot bough]

Lmao ik, it dwarfs my other mid-tower'.

Like nearly double the size.

[odd siren]

At least 35mm of straight cable from the plug before you start bending it

[hot bough]

Gotcha.

[fading glacier]

not all cases allow that level of clearance tho 😦

[odd siren]

Indeed

But also the failure rate is low

[fading glacier]

yup

[odd siren]

Tbh if you're buying a 4090 that isn't an FE you'll need a big ass case anyway

Card is thicc

[fading glacier]

maybe my 5000x could house one

its a big azz case as well

[odd siren]

Likely would yeah

Esp. with vert mount

[fading glacier]

thing is the clearance to the side panel

[hot bough]

I plan to settle for either Strix, Suprim, or Aorus on the 4090 model.

[odd siren]

Don't do strix

[hot bough]

?

[fading glacier]

go suprim

[odd siren]

Suprim is the best

[fading glacier]

this gen suprim is suprim

strix is meh

[odd siren]

It's better than strix physically

[fading glacier]

more phases

[odd siren]

It's also cheaper

[hot bough]

Are the Aorus and Suprim about the same?

[fading glacier]

no

[hot bough]

Cuz Aorus do be looking sexy.

[odd siren]

Aorus is the worst of the 3 but all 3 are overkill

[fading glacier]

if you go for looks then choose whichever you like

really

[odd siren]

Aorus imo is a better choice than strix considering you have a torrent

[hot bough]

Good to know.

[fading glacier]

we were talking about performance but w/e

still strix is horrible at looks as well 😛

[hot bough]

Ahh ok. I mean how big could the gap between a Aorus and Suprim even be?

[odd siren]

I mean silicon lottery will weigh in more here? But really that makes strix all the more worse as a choice

[fading glacier]

big of a gap? on stock nearly identical

but suprim pack a lot more phases for oc

[odd siren]

I forget the numbers but suprim is like, 24+4x70a, strix 23+4x70a, aorus 20+4x60 or something like that

HOF is 28+4x70a or something significantly ridiculous

[fading glacier]

thing is.... you need a custom bios to go 660w

cause the oc on the suprim is atrocious according to hub

[hot bough]

HOF came out with a card already?

[fading glacier]

ofc

breaking records and all

[odd siren]

HOF soon

[fading glacier]

without the kinpin, no one can match the hof

[odd siren]

HOF will also be expensive as hell

Suprim imo makes the most sense beyond the base models

[fading glacier]

to an extent

[odd siren]

It's only like 150-200 more with everything extra

[fading glacier]

as i said, i saw the hub review and the oc headroom is meh

unless you get a custom oc bios

[odd siren]

Won't be long until we see a better BIOS

[hot bough]

Are custom oc bios risky?

[fading glacier]

a lot of vrm but the card is severely limted by bios alone

[fading glacier]

kinda

[hot bough]

Never tried them.

[fading glacier]

you need to accept the risks before going into that territory

[hot bough]

Also is HOF cars a specific model from Galax? I couldn't find any solid pictures for which one was the HOF.

[fading glacier]

there is no hof for consumers yet

[hot bough]

Ahh gotcha.

[fading glacier]

the only hofs were sent to extreme overclockers for LN2 records

cards without heatsinks

especially designed for ln pots

[hot bough]

Tbh with myself, anything above the FE models I don't think I can get full use of without using a custom bios and I doubt I'd use one anytime soon.

Would I be correct in that?

[fading glacier]

then at stock just use the one you like the most

they are all within 1-3% margin

[hot bough]

Yea at a margin like that, I think I am gonna get whichever I think looks best.

[fading glacier]

unless you pay a scalped price ill say whichever you can find

there is no 4090s at msrp around and seems to be the trend for some months

worst of all, scalpers are selling their 4090s, so they will keep scalping at restocks

[hot bough]

I think I will finish the rest of my rig and wait another month or two for some potential MSRP 4090s to show up.

[fading glacier]

yeah, what about the 13900k+ddr5 part?

i imagine already built?

[hot bough]

Delayed, unexpected expenses came in.

[fading glacier]

sorry to hear that

hope you can get your rig running in no time

[hot bough]

I am considering moving my current rig into the fractal until I get the 13900+4090. Is it hard to move a rig to another? I've never done a build from scratch usually I do the buy a prebuilt and keep modifying it as you go route.

[hot bough]

Thanks.

[fading glacier]

its a lot of work, i suggest getting the parts first to build inside the torrent

gpu can wait

as long as you get the cpu and the rest then you can build on the torrent

[hot bough]

Yeah I think I will do that route and wait till I get the CPU and such first then.

So how you been?

Doing anything cool as of late?

[fading glacier]

nothing really

just waiting for next week to blow my budget

bfriday

depending on that ill go 13+690 or 12+660

have a tight budget of 600

saving 1.2k for the xtx on december

[hot bough]

Gotcha. Gl on the build!

[fading glacier]

ty pal

hope i get some juicy deals next week 😄

[hot bough]

Hmmm, I wonder if the 13900k would do well as a server-cpu as well.

[fading glacier]

for a small server, yeah

for anything mid sized.. i dont think so

[hot bough]

Oof. So it wouldn't do well as a Gaming Server?

[fading glacier]

as a gaming server it should be fine

still depending on the amount of people you expect to feed you should look onto some server type cpus

[hot bough]

Gotcha. Currently using a R9-3900.

[fading glacier]

if that runs fine for your server then the 13900k will do extremely well

[hot bough]

Good to know. I have a habit of planning ahead a year or so with stuff.

So I was just wondering about re-using the 13900 once I switch to a 14900 or 15900.

[fading glacier]

14900k is still far off into the future

2024 at least

[hot bough]

I wonder if they'll increase P-cote in the 14900.

Cores*

[fading glacier]

they are going for a complete overhaul

alder lake and raptor are somewhat similar

but meteor will be another thing

maybe 14th gen will have another type of cores

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hot bough]

Efficiency, Utility, and PERFORMANCE CORES!!!

https://tenor.com/view/funny-face-linustechtips-cpu-pc-linus-gif-19178063

[odd siren]

@fading glacier I got astron

On a side note the included mousepad is absolutely gorgeous

[fading glacier]

yeah the mousepad is gorgeous on the images

to think that the adapter is a lottery.... damn

still after the gamerjesus video most of the time doesnt matter astron or ntk... as long as you plug it all the way down youll be fine

speaking of that... clicky sound or all the way down without notice?

[odd siren]

Not even gonna try plugging it, I got a cablemod cable at the ready

Mating cycles and interference fitting seems to play a role in connector failure so not even gonna screw around with that lol

[fading glacier]

what a chad

[heady turtle]

Felix living life on the edge

Will his gpu burn down his house in his sleep, who's to tell

[wicked hound]

Randomly scrolling Reddit, saw someone buy a Strix 4080 in r/ASUSROG. Didn't think it'd actually happen, damn.

4080 for 4090 money

[odd siren]

Oh god

[celest thorn]

microcenter here is flush with 4080s

[lean saddle]

Im getting a list of games to bench, please vote for games you'd like to see benchmarked

https://strawpoll.com/polls/40Zmdb0oRga

Gpu benches for now

[celest thorn]

but seriously that asus model thats basicly 4090 pricing

i feel like the 4080 will have very little stocking issues unless there is a pretty drastic price cut

(at least in store for the moment til online gets their first shipment)

[oak rivet]

done

seems like cyberpunk is leading the vote chart lmao

[normal hawk]

Isn't Elden Ring still locked to 60FPS?

Why is that being voted for at all?

[wicked hound]

no, but not as GPU intensive as other options

[livid idol]

Locked to 60 on console maybe

[heady turtle]

Other: overwatch 2?

[lean saddle]

Engine cap

It's not hard to hit 600fps

[lean saddle]

You can unlock the fps

[lean saddle]

It does scale pretty well with my initial testing, seems cpu bound at low settings but a max it's completely gpu bound

[lean saddle]

Need to test some more routes though

[heady turtle]

At 4k ultra?

[lean saddle]

I doubt it would be that hard, game is primarily cpu bound

I don't think OW2 is a game people genuinely consider upgrading their gpu to play

[odd siren]

400 fps go brrrrrr

[heady turtle]

You underestimate how much esports people want more fps

[lean saddle]

Thats when the cpu benches come in

[heady turtle]

Wouldn't that also apply to csgo tho?

More even

[odd siren]

I feel like they live in a similar plane of easy

[heady turtle]

Yup

Altho csgo is easier to run

Especially 4:3

4:3 stretched ftw

[odd siren]

Superior

[lean saddle]

It doesn't have an fps cap, and judging by the poll it's not even gonna be in the gpu suite

I don't have that many CPUs nor a 4090 so I'm likely not gonna bench CPUs just yet

[wicked hound]

Questionable, looking at TPUs [bad] ER tests for 3090 to 4090, 3090 is 62% of 4090 which is in the 75th percentile range of where a 3090 perfs to a 4090. Makes me doubt it's completely GPU bound.

[lean saddle]

We'll find out

Poll is more of a popularity contest too, even if games are perfectly optimized - if nobody plays them it's not really worth the bench. You have synthetics for that

[wicked hound]

Eh, point of GPU tests is to know how strong it is in games. We cant test the games of tomorrow, or tomorrow's tomorrow, etc

[lean saddle]

Also tpu is using a much slower cpu than I am

[wicked hound]

TPU does a lot of things wrong, thus why I called it bad

[lean saddle]

Yeah, In games that are relevant

[wicked hound]

I personally dislike any games tests that arent GPU bound, doesnt actually show perf of GPU

[lean saddle]

I'm not interested in benching a game that nobody cares how it performs

Cyberpunk is notorious for how difficult it is to run, and it's appropriately the most voted for

[wicked hound]

Yes, but if new CPUs come out or new games come out, using inaccurate data (bunch of non-GPU bound games) isnt good for knowing average perf differences between GPUs

[lean saddle]

That's when we retest

My goal here is to build a foundation for my benches

[wicked hound]

Or that's when you use CPU tests to know what will be the bottleneck

Get raw CPU, GPU, memory, etc and find the best pairing

[lean saddle]

Get the games, the routes etc. See how it behaves and then make judgements with new data vs old

Best pairing?

Isn't that just the fastest gpu and fastest cpu?

[wicked hound]

fastest of what you can buy now, which can change in the future

You arent testing sole GPU performance anymore

You're just checking to see if a 4090 is "pointlesss" for X game at Y resolution because Z component is actually the bottleneck.

[lean saddle]

Lower end cards don't face this issue

The idea I want to get from these benches is, if you want said experience - what do you need?

[wicked hound]

Should make that clear that it isnt a component perf difference test then

[lean saddle]

Component perf diff is stupidly nuanced

Especially with the introduction of vendor optimized titles

I'm doing game performance benches

[wicked hound]

It's needed to know average perf tbf. Would have to do millions of tests with millions of configs to properly recommend X component if they want Y experience for Z game (and Z game is much more then 10 generally).

Does it help? Yes.
Will it work for certain individuals? Yes.
Tho this isnt enough data to usually help for most people at any time (past [older GPUs], preset or future).

[odd siren]

I'm a big advocate for average perf, I'll never know what the best suggestion for someone for a specific scenario, resolution and combo would be

It's easier to remember a rough range and go from there

[wicked hound]

I'd say your tests should maybe be looking for games that are outliers in average perf. I think that would be more helpful.

[odd siren]

On that note I really like HUB large game suite tests

50 games+ for one given thing