graphics-cards

[fading glacier]

i feel like an idiot xD

[livid idol]

Those calculators just don't account for real world conditions at all

[fading glacier]

yeah

well i think the 3080 will be fine, 3090 is way too much

or any 40 series below 350w will do fine as well on the 850

hope so

[livid idol]

So you're not considering the 6900 XT? I've seen it at $800 lately

Plus only 300W and almost matches the 3090

[fading glacier]

well, i was totally forgot about it

you are right

amd cards are more power friendly

lemme see how much is the asrock oc

850, could be

yeah now i feel like an idiot, i was totally blinded for the strix that i forgot the 6900, and the g6 will be totally ok with that one

[wheat crag]

Probably

850w can prob power any cpu gpu combo rn

In a realistic scenario

[ivory herald]

12700(K) in-game is indeed actually a lot lower wattage than people think. It's quite efficient at these sort of partial loads. Decent A tier psu is the thing to be happy w/ the 700+ watt transient loads of a 3090.

[wheat crag]

I thought a transient load can’t surpass the max tdp?

[keen nacelle]

12900ks and 3090 ti oced will easily surpass any 850w psu

[wheat crag]

It’ll prob consume near 700w at 4k with a demanding game

But not surpass it

[fading glacier]

but a spike will trip the psu

xD

[ivory herald]

To be clear, transient load basically = spike.

[wheat crag]

Ain’t the spikes within their tdp tho

[keen nacelle]

No

Not at all

[fading glacier]

no

[wheat crag]

How high is a spike then?

[fading glacier]

3090 is a 350w tdp but can hit 550w spikes

[wheat crag]

And can it be read ?

[keen nacelle]

And 12900ks on ln2...

[fading glacier]

igorlab have those readings

[keen nacelle]

Easily will pass its specced tdp

[ivory herald]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wnRyyCsuHFQ

[wheat crag]

And a cpu consuming around 200w would still be fine

[keen nacelle]

It wouldn't surprise me if my 3060 ti has spiked to around 280w in benches

[keen nacelle]

3090 ti can easily spike to 750w

[ivory herald]

Forg if stock, more like 400w spikes. People could just know that the quick ez math is these spikes are around 2x avg wattage, sometimes higher.

[fading glacier]

now that im looking more into it, i think ill need to check the wiring on my house

[heady turtle]

Nowhere near on 30 series

[fading glacier]

i think i have 16ag on my wiring xD, i think ill be fine 😛

[silver moat]

Hey guys. Been having some issues with my gpu lately.

2080 super, had it for almost 3 years. It’s an issue where my monitor will randomly go blank and my gpu fans will blast to max

Only way to regain control of my pc is to manually reboot it

Checked dxdiag, ran benchmarks, can’t seem to find anything wrong with the gpu. It doesn’t overheat when it does this either

Anyone heard of this before?

Interestingly tho when I put my computer into power saving mode it doesn’t crash, just puts my frames to sht

[velvet grail]

Common issue usually caused (most probable) by you PSU, it could either be faulty, if it is modular check that all cables are plugged in nicely to both PSU and GPU

[wicked hound]

Eh, no where near on any series tbf. Ampere do be harsher with it being sometimes higher % of TDP, and with higher TDP.

[velvet grail]

However if that doesn't solve you have other options:
Updates: bios, chipset, GPU drivers....
Could also be your a PSU not supplying enough power
Or also a particular overclock causing this problem or overheat of you GPU.

[silver moat]

Thanks loFabio, will try those things

[velvet grail]

Np
I'm here to help whenever I can

[heady turtle]

Sorry meant especially on 30 series

[velvet grail]

After testing out the 2080 I got some nice results that i really liked:
Beamng, had ~80/90fps with 1070 w medium-high graphics (no dynamic reflections) - map: Italy. Now from 85 to 120 in the best cases with high graphic and dynamic reflections

Everything at 1080p for now, waiting for new monitor to arrive

[wicked hound]

Ye, just helpful reminder to others for avoiding accidental misinformation.

[hasty sphinx]

I game at about 50w

oh, I totally read 12600k, not 12700k. my bad

I just woke up

[ivory herald]

From a certain fellow on the TPU forums I keep seeing a decent 70w on certain games at 1440p, & of course it varies. People just act like gaming wattage is anywhere close to tdp or cinebench sort of load.

[hasty sphinx]

yeah I'm in game now atm and it looks like I'm jumping between 50-60w

1440p

25-30% load

[rustic pulsar]

if i dual boot i can have different gpu drivers for each right

[heady turtle]

Uh yes

Drivers are just installed on the OS

[rustic pulsar]

i do not like linux give me windows back xijhfhsdijozg

[sonic mural]

I doubt your Nvidia likes Linux much either, lol

[livid idol]

Even with the new "open source but not really" drivers it'll take some time for nouveau and such to improve.

[keen nacelle]

what?

[dreamy dragon]

James Too Cold#9700 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[lone pond]

Lol

[keen nacelle]

where did that even come from

there was no conversation involving you before you said that

are you ok?

[livid idol]

Videos with swears aren't allowed, and so is filter dodging

[opal iron]

Does this mean it doesn’t have ray tracing?

[livid idol]

It does but you shouldn't be using it on a mid tier or lower GPU anyway because of the performance loss

[odd siren]

Much less AMD

[sonic mural]

imo 3070ti ish is kinda the lowest id have for wanting to do raytracing on most games

[opal iron]

For minecraft tho its fine

Thats the only game im going to use rt on

[odd siren]

Isn't MC like completely nvidia biased on RT?

[fading glacier]

laughs on doom eternal

[opal iron]

Yeah but its so easy to run it works fine with amd

[odd siren]

Oh ok

[opal iron]

My friends 3050 mobile can run it at a constant 60fps

[odd siren]

I mean I don't have MC but thought I'd bring it up cos I remember the AMD cards particularly suffering in the reviews a while back

[opal iron]

Yeah it does bad in other games

But lets be honest minecraft is the only game where ray tracing makes a big difference

[odd siren]

True

That's neat tho, I have a 6600 coming so I might try it lol

[sonic mural]

everything is

[odd siren]

I know that but I meant I remember it being a particularly bad one

That's what I meant

[livid idol]

6600 at 1080p high with SEUS shader (to enable ray tracing on AMD) gets 40 fps

[opal iron]

Pgti?

[odd siren]

That's actually not bad considering first gen vs second gen rt

[livid idol]

Yes

[opal iron]

Pgti is a super heavy shader

[livid idol]

Renewed seems to get close to 100 fps on the same settings

1% lows below 40 still but that's just Minecraft

[jaunty mango]

hey im looking at rtx 2070 supers

is there any variants i should look out for

[wicked hound]

Fabric or Optifine tho? Could prolly get to 45-50 fps pretty easily if test was done on optifine and tried fabric instead

[jaunty mango]

for eg bad cooling etc

[odd siren]

Ventus

[jaunty mango]

figured

whats a good price on most models

[normal hawk]

Crysis Remaster.

Is built into the engine. Which is how they got it to work on Xbox one and Ps4

https://www.thesixthaxis.com/2020/09/08/crysis-remastered-ps4-xbox-one-ray-tracing-analysis/

It's kinda crazy tbh.

[sonic mural]

Yeah

[normal hawk]

Xbox one x and ps4 pro had it. But it'd ruin performance so much the one x would go from 2160p30 to 1080p30, and the PS4 pro would go from 1800p30 to <1080p30

[sonic mural]

💀

[tall lichen]

Should I take my chances and get this?https://www.newegg.com/msi-radeon-rx-6600-xt-rx6600xt-mech2x-8goc/p/N82E16814137682?Item=N82E16814137682&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-qREBjvkz5dsuz29xjoVQfA

[sonic mural]

Take your chances? It's a mech, and it's gonna perform like a mech. Hot and loud

[odd siren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/mr/newegg/DgFbt6

[tall lichen]

Apparently they're under powered

The mech not the asrock

[jaunty mango]

how would this stack up against an rtx 2070

[tall lichen]

I hear they perform about the same

[keen nacelle]

a bit better

but not a ton

[jaunty mango]

hm

might buy that then

cant find a good rtx 2070 thats not on ebay for a similar price

[sonic mural]

The non super 20 series generally weren't great value

The supers were very close to the next step up non super and typically much better value

[hasty sphinx]

he meant super

[sonic mural]

You sure?

[hasty sphinx]

yes

[sonic mural]

He didn't say the super twice so I assumed not

[hasty sphinx]

I've talked to him

[sonic mural]

Alright

[lone pond]

Seems like a r word stuff

Yeah I talked to him but he never mentioned super anywhere

[hasty sphinx]

Hm, in my conversation with him super was brought up. Maybe in here he did mean reg 2070

[odd siren]

Perhaps both

🤷

[hasty sphinx]

yeah, Or I just assumed he meant super. I thought he said super earlier.

[hasty sphinx]

.

that's why I assumed

[sonic mural]

Hmm

[opal iron]

Which 6600 model is the best?

[jaunty mango]

wait what when did i talk to you

i talked to the other guy reorrist or something i cant read that name

i meant 2070 Super

[normal hawk]

I might get a b stock GPU from EVGA. Not sure though.

I wish EVGA had amd cards

[vital oriole]

that'd be cool

[livid idol]

They made AMD motherboards, maybe they'll jump in on GPUs in a gen or two

[heady turtle]

Atm https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nxWzK8/powercolor-radeon-rx-6600-8-gb-hellhound-video-card-axrx-6600-8gbd6-3dhl

[heady turtle]

Yeah idk tbh their motherboards, for both sides tbf seemed to always be like 300$+ and come out halfway through the cycle which is just walk

[opal iron]

Is the sapphire one good?

[heady turtle]

Yeah it's the best cheapest model atm

[rotund sparrow]

GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3080 Gaming OC 12G Graphics Card, 3X WINDFORCE Fans

Used - acceptable for $646.13

GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3080 Gaming OC 12G Graphics Card, 3X WINDFORCE Fans, 12GB 384-bit GDDR6X, GV-N3080GAMING OC-12GD Video Card https://a.co/d/cZtWrlP

Seems like a decent deal? But honestly with the red devil/dragon 6800xt for a little more, seems like that is a better deal, especially since they’re new too

[heady turtle]

Used from Amazon or used from someone else?

[rotund sparrow]

Amazon warehouse

I’m always surprised at the quality of used gpu from amazon warehouse

[heady turtle]

Pretty good, 100$ cheaper than the next cheapest 3080 12gb

And Amazon Wearhouse used isn't really used

I mean it is

But none of the risk

[rotund sparrow]

Yeah that’s true

[heady turtle]

6800xt for 669 also good tho

Personally I'd grab the 3080 12gb tho

It's better

[ember eagle]

Ray tracing!

[rotund sparrow]

Ohh seriously? Ah okay cool

[ember eagle]

The good thing abt Amazon is that returns are super simple

[heady turtle]

3080 12gb is in the middle of 10gb and ti by like 5% each side

[rotund sparrow]

Gotcha that makes sense

[velvet grail]

Don't really know where to ask, maybe #gaming but what's the option "streaming quality" in warzone?

[woeful musk]

what's the best possible AMD card I could get for 500-600$

https://www.newegg.com/msi-rx-6750-xt-gaming-x-trio-12g/p/N82E16814137734

I'm thinking about getting this one but if anyone else has a good idea please LMK

[velvet grail]

Rx 6700xt if you can find a good deal
You should be able to get it for less than 600

[heady turtle]

Best would be this for 580
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Kq6qqs/powercolor-radeon-rx-6800-16-gb-red-dragon-oc-video-card-axrx-6800-16gbd6-3dhroc

Although this is way better value imo
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HWbTwP/gigabyte-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-eagle-video-card-gv-r67xteagle-12gd

Well it's 580 but pretty decent ye

Np

[rotund sparrow]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09Q3DH7V3/?coliid=I182IKY654VZX1&colid=233H1FU1RJMY0&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 12GB FTW3 Ultra Gaming for $703.12 (Used- Good by Amazon warehouse) 1 in stock

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B097YY2NL2/?coliid=IZUBBJJMTO5EX&colid=233H1FU1RJMY0&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
I know it's zotac, but not too bad of a price I think?
ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 3070 Twin Edge OC Low Hash Rate 8GB for $488.75 (Used- good from Amazon warehouse)

[hasty sphinx]

@heady turtle @magic wing I've joined your shill club.

[magic wing]

Sheeeeeeee

[hasty sphinx]

can't wait to test this bad boy out on friday

[vital oriole]

nice

6950xt

[hasty sphinx]

If I'm reading right.. I'll have to plug my gpu into my argb header to control the lighting on gpu?

It didn't come with a cable to do so.

:/

[wheat crag]

Nice

Thought u we’re going nivdia tho

[hasty sphinx]

No

[wheat crag]

U should try running it on water with one of those aio mods like nzxt

Should oc really good

[hasty sphinx]

It's already a OC 6900xt. But thermals on it are already good so I'll probably hit silicon limits before thermal throttle.

[wheat crag]

U could maybe go a bit lower

On the temps

Gpu curves r usually low for noise n stuff

[hasty sphinx]

Possibly. Then I take away the aesthetics

Noise doesn't bother me. I run my AC 24/7 for the noise.

[wheat crag]

A oc is like a slight boosted core clock from the regular one

[hasty sphinx]

Even in winter, albeit just the fans

[wheat crag]

Still a lot of headroom

U can set a fan curve in msi afterburner

That’s what I did

Or the amd software

[hasty sphinx]

I'll be using the amd software

But fan curve will be with Fan Control

[wheat crag]

You’ll prob get bear 3 ghz

Near

[hasty sphinx]

That'd be cool

[wheat crag]

Btw if u didn’t do it yet turn on resizable bar

[hasty sphinx]

Won't be installing until friday

Tomorrow I'll be getting my fans and new aio. Then Friday is my day off

[wheat crag]

All this talk about amd makes me wanna waste money on another gpu lol

Nice

[hasty sphinx]

Do it lol

[wheat crag]

Schools bout to start again and imma just do sports lol

Just do gaming n tech stuff as a hobby

[ivory herald]

Many people do.

[wheat crag]

6900 xt r going for like 900 and below

I remember I was gonna buy a 2080 ti for that price back then

During gpu shortage

[vital oriole]

2080ti for that price is a big scam

[wheat crag]

I wonder how much u can lowball a gpu on stockx

6800 xt r selling for 600 on stockx

[vital oriole]

stockx

that's a terrible place to buy gpus from lol

[wheat crag]

True bc bc of no returns I think

[vital oriole]

they also sell fake shoes

which is also a red flag

[lone pond]

I got mine for 750$

[vital oriole]

yikes

[livid idol]

Then it probably doesn't need it after all

[vital oriole]

^

[wheat crag]

Actually that one is kind of fake news

The people who check if their real or not r really good at their jobs

[ivory herald]

Still a crap website.

[wheat crag]

Yea resellers r crap

[hasty sphinx]

The instruction say I need it to sync with mobo, so.. I'm thinking I can probably still use OpenRGB to handle the lights without the cable.

[azure cradle]

sorry I know barely anything about pcs, would there be any issues from switching an amd to a nvidia graphics card?

[livid idol]

Issues, none to be expected. Driver conflicts can happen though so best to run DDU

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[azure cradle]

oh okay so that would just remove my amd drivers before switching to nvidia drivers right?

[livid idol]

Yep. You'll run that in safe mode to remove the drivers, tell it to clean and shutdown

While it's shut down you swap the GPU

[azure cradle]

alright thanks, I've been thinking of uprading my graphics card for a long while now and I'm finally deciding I'm gonna do it

at 1 am lmao

[livid idol]

Best time to make impulse buys lol

[azure cradle]

got some more questions for you first though ; )

[livid idol]

Sure I've got some time

[azure cradle]

what do I have to check to make sure a new gpu would be compatible with my pc other than space in my case?

[livid idol]

Power supply model and wattage

[azure cradle]

that's pretty much it?

[livid idol]

Yeah basically

[azure cradle]

gotcha

[livid idol]

You probably want to make sure the CPU isn't underpowered too much by comparison but that's a small thing

[azure cradle]

I'm upgrading from an rx 580, would an rtx 3060 be a good option for an upgrade that wouldn't be a huge dent in my wallet?

[livid idol]

That's a pretty decent upgrade yeah

[azure cradle]

would there be a better option for around the same price range?

[livid idol]

You'd probably want to consider the 6600 XT or 6650 XT

Same price, better performance

[azure cradle]

yeah I'll confirm everything with people in this discord before purchasing 😉

[azure cradle]

oh okay, why is it that the 3060 is so much more popular (just looking at the newegg website), is it just because it's nvidia?

[livid idol]

See 2:43 https://youtu.be/bISWIk5pUH0

It's pretty much just because of the brand yeah.

[lone pond]

It's kingpin 2080ti

[dreamy dragon]

James Too Cold#9700 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[lone pond]

The FE msrp was 1200$ which had mediocre cooling imo

[livid idol]

20 series FE was meh, yeah

[azure cradle]

alright thanks a bunch for the help, I really appreciate it

[hasty sphinx]

Man. Who would ever spend $1200 on a gpu..

[azure cradle]

I'm probably gonna order a 6600 XT tmr

would new egg be the best place to buy?

[livid idol]

Totally not me with a 3080 ti I got at a best buy drop

[hasty sphinx]

For me, it's a toss up between Newegg and Amazon. Generally I go with whoever is cheaper, and if same price then I go with Amazon because returns are soooo much easier.

[lone pond]

I will spend 3k for a 4080

[hasty sphinx]

I did for the 6950xt, but just for the looks.

[azure cradle]

very true, plus prime comes in handy

[livid idol]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DgFbt6/asrock-radeon-rx-6600-xt-8-gb-challenger-d-oc-video-card-rx6600xt-cld-8go

[lone pond]

What 6950xt is 3k

[rotund sparrow]

I just got a used one on amazon, the 6600xt is an amazing gpu

[hasty sphinx]

I didn't notice you said 3k. I was still referring to $1200

[lone pond]

Asus will change the strix design or stick with the current design for 40 series

Pascal and turing design was same

[hasty sphinx]

I'm in love with the sapphire 6950xt look

The white version

Faillllll @livid idol

[livid idol]

I always forget how to do that one

[old ember]

:8ball: | Yes, Fal'Cie

[hasty sphinx]

How to do that one?

Oh I prob can't huh

[lone pond]

I like hybrid cards more

Greater cooling density

[livid idol]

You need to be level 40 iirc

[hasty sphinx]

Yeah, unless you have a huge fricken heatsink like the 6950xt

[lone pond]

Still better cooling

[livid idol]

Oh it's level 50

[azure cradle]

alright I looked up the 6600 xt on amazon and there's so many different ones for different prices and I have no clue what the deifference is between them all and which one I should go with

[livid idol]

@azure cradle

[azure cradle]

oh thanks, I'm blind lol

[livid idol]

If it must be Amazon https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nyH7YJ/powercolor-radeon-rx-6600-xt-8-gb-fighter-video-card-6600xt-8gbd6-3dh

[azure cradle]

thanks again for your help btw, I'm gonna head to sleep now

oh wait I just realized the first one you recommended is out of stock on new egg rn

[heady turtle]

Sweet, and no rgb shouldn't nerd a header

[hasty sphinx]

Ok. Kinda wierd that they include a male header on the gpu with instructions to plug it into mobo.

[heady turtle]

Oh maybe you do then

[hasty sphinx]

Maybe. They didn't supply a cable though.

[heady turtle]

Oh you sure that's not for plugging case fans into to control them off gpu temps?

[livid idol]

The powercolor one then, avoid the MSI mech

[azure cradle]

wait why should I be avoiding that one?

[livid idol]

It's got such a bad cooler even the low end models overheat

[azure cradle]

oh ok thanks

[hasty sphinx]

Instructions say to plug in a cable into the gpu and then plug into mobo to sync gpu argb to motherboard

I knew I should have taken a pic before I came to work. Gamers nexus also says its for argb in the teardown vid, but he didn't say if it had to be connected

[odd siren]

If it's to sync then it probably doesn't need connecting and will run independently on it's own software

My best guess there

[hasty sphinx]

Mine too. I just didn't know some gpu have this and wanted to make sure I didn't need to order a cable before Friday

[odd siren]

Yeah I googled it there's a toggle in the software to set it to "external control" so it hands it off to the mobo

[wheat crag]

do transient spikes occur more in games or benches/stress test?

in the 3000 series

[heady turtle]

Hm okay

[heady turtle]

Yes

[livid idol]

Games primarily

Which games?

[old ember]

:8ball: | It is certain, Fal'Cie

[odd siren]

Mr. Turtle has a thing or two to say about transients

[wheat crag]

like warzone and mw

mr turtle is linus tech tips

could undervolts cause transient spikes? nvm

[ivory herald]

Could undervolt cause transient spike to not go as high? Probably.

[velvet grail]

@mighty island i made another timespy benchmark today and got different results from 3 days ago (photo ^) why? I just updated drivers to 516.59... maybe it changed my score for some reason?

[cerulean rover]

run to run variations

[velvet grail]

That's 900 point less than the previou score
Why?
I run 3 times and always gives me this result

[cerulean rover]

usually things outside of your control, room temperature maybe background tasks maybe

[velvet grail]

But does temperature matter?

[odd siren]

Some drivers can be better some can be worse for benching, installing using DDU can also fix score variation

[cerulean rover]

It might affect how much the GPU boosts or whether or not to maintain the clock you've told it to run at

[velvet grail]

Wait, maybe it was because of afterburner
I checked and every value was on 0 lol

Let me try again

Got even worse now, 9909

[odd siren]

Are you cooling the card down between runs?

If you always start the run when the card is say, 31C? The run to run variance will be much smaller

[velvet grail]

I guess it's new drivers

[velvet grail]

I always use my afterburner fan curve

[odd siren]

Not what I mean

[velvet grail]

What do you mean then

[odd siren]

After every run your 2080 will soak up heat into the heatsink, and the core will be cooling down from a higher temperature

If you aren't cooling it down to a low or equivalent temperature between runs, you're gonna have more variance due to thermals causing downclocking

If you wait until the reported temperature is the same between starting new runs, the scores will be more consistent

There will also be ambient around and inside the case playing into it as well

Drivers? Yeah I've seen that before, but if you DDU back to a known good driver it should be fine

[velvet grail]

Gpu is probably not going to 83C, that's where it throttles

[wicked hound]

No, GPU boost will go down 15MHz every 10c

[velvet grail]

I don't think thermals affect benchmarks if your cooling enough

[wicked hound]

Starting from 60c

[velvet grail]

So basically 70c is -15 from max clock

[odd siren]

Sure, if you go sub-ambient

[wicked hound]

Or maybe 65c, can't remember now

[velvet grail]

My card doesn't get past 70c

Maybe it's just the drivers

I have seen people on Reddit saying that after driver update they got worse results
Also one thousand points less

[wicked hound]

Going past 60c/65c means one down lock, past 70c/75c is another, past 80c/85c is another (possible with higher then default temp limits).

[odd siren]

I didn't deny the driver point. Do a DDU and flip it back

But if you are still down on points. 1000% it's thermals

[velvet grail]

But will it just set to "base driver" or the last one I had

I'll also check thermals

[wicked hound]

Also do remember there is a fairly large run to run varience with stock windows, esp one with random programs installed.

[odd siren]

Debloating windows helps a lot

Like, a lot

[velvet grail]

I also had installed fan control yesterday

[wicked hound]

But it can still be drivers, just remember this other stuff too

[velvet grail]

And it's always in background

I'll try disabling fan control and ddu

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[hasty sphinx]

Is your fan curve set up differently than when you benchmarked last?

[velvet grail]

No

My case fans are, with fan control, just to make then spin when either GPU or CPU are under load

How do I restore an old driver with ddu?

Btw will it change any setting in Nvidia control panel?

[hasty sphinx]

So what you mean is.. Yes, your fan curves have changed.

So, maybe that could be affecting your thermals in turn affecting your scores?

[velvet grail]

No, actually it's better because case fans didn't spin before I set up fan control. They only spinned based off CPU temperature, now they spin based on both CPU & GPU temp

I've also tested in game, without case fan spinning with GPU under load = up to 70C
With case fan spinning when GPU is under load = 65C

[hasty sphinx]

I didn't say anything about it being better or worse. My point was that you said there was nothing that was changed in your system between benchmark A and benchmark B, when there was something changed. Is it likely that's the cause? Idk, but it's possible.

[velvet grail]

I'm sure it is not, btw I said between the two benchmark I just installed (yesterday) FanControl which runs in background
I just needed FanControl to set dual case fan curves.

Probably not causing the problem

I mean... Now fans spin faster and move more air from the GPU

[hasty sphinx]

Oh, right, you did. My bad. I'm just throwing possible things out there.

Generally when you see a dip in performance, the first thing you look at is what was the most recent/biggest change.

[velvet grail]

Main things causing this problem could be: either driver upd, maybe fan control running in background or idk

[hasty sphinx]

And in this case, fan control with different fan curves than before. Have you tried disabling Fan Control and running your bench?

[velvet grail]

I'll disable fan control during the benchmark and see if that's the problem

[hasty sphinx]

As well as driver update

[velvet grail]

Driver update is the more common for drop in points, also considering only my GPU score dropped.
Gpu doesn't run fan control, CPU does the work for that...
So I'm sure it's drivers

Btw can I see the last driver vers I had before updating it?

[hasty sphinx]

You can always rollback your driver.

Unless you've already DDU

[velvet grail]

Mine is a 1.5k point difference in GPU score and some people on Reddit also says they lost 900/1000 points after driver updates

[velvet grail]

How

GeExperience?

I update from that

Always

[hasty sphinx]

No. Give me a min

[hasty sphinx]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/driver-rollback/#:~:text=Double-click on Display Adapters,Click on Roll Back Driver

This'll be faster than me typing it out.

This works with any driver in your device manager.

Not just for nvidia gpu

[velvet grail]

Ok

Thanks

I'll try that later
I'm 100% sure that's the issue

Btw fan control doesn't even take up more than 1% CPU when running in background so its definitely not that

[hasty sphinx]

I didn't think it was, only that it could have been.

[velvet grail]

Yeah, who knows. It could have been, some software do really affect CPU
But not GPU work so I excluded that fro now

[hasty sphinx]

Also, have you ever DDU with this GPU?

[velvet grail]

Never used ddu in my life

[hasty sphinx]

How many driver updates have you installed over each other?

So.. it could also be an issue of drivers stacked on drivers.. not full drivers, but remnants from each driver building up could have finally caused you an issue.

[velvet grail]

I had installed the 2080 4 days ago, never updated drivers, was used so I don't know what the previous owner did with it
I updated them only 3 hours ago

[hasty sphinx]

What did you have before that?

[velvet grail]

But I guess drivers get stored into pc storage it GPU...
Gpu doesn't have one

[velvet grail]

1070

[hasty sphinx]

I see. You should have DDU before you installed new GPU and then installed latest drivers. That could be the issue.

[velvet grail]

Basically removed the 1070 and plugged in the 2080 without doing anything

[velvet grail]

Oh

Btw I'll just use the first driver that I was using before updating the 2080's since it works fine

Ig

[hasty sphinx]

Rollback the driver first. See what driver it is.

Make note of it.

Then DDU. Then install latest drivers, and see if that fixes issue. If not, then DDU again and then install the drivers that you made a note of.

[velvet grail]

Okk

Thanks for the help I'll keep you updated later

[velvet grail]

@hasty sphinx I noticed on properties - RTX 2080 it says driver version 31.0.15.1659
Btw it's not important for now, this is the latest one I installed 3 hours ago. But I noticed the last five numbers match the Nvidia GPU driver (5.1659 → 516.59)

And this is just the current one, now I just click roll back driver

[hasty sphinx]

Yep

[hasty sphinx]

Yeah

[velvet grail]

Done

30.0.15.1277

Is the one after roll back

[hasty sphinx]

Ok, make note of that.

[velvet grail]

Oke

[hasty sphinx]

Now DDU and reinstall latest driver.

Just follow this guide.

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[velvet grail]

👍 ok I'll take a while, I'll tag u

Where do I download can't find lol

?

@hasty sphinx

On the website it also says I should disconnect my pc from internet, do I do it?

Ofc after I find where to install the program

[hasty sphinx]

Just follow listed guide.

[hasty sphinx]

https://www.wagnardsoft.com/DDU/download/DDU v18.0.4.6.exe

[velvet grail]

Do i just extract the file or do I also have to open it?

Or do I "open" it when in safe mode

[hasty sphinx]

Follow guide. Extract to wherever you want. Then boot into safe mode, then run DDU

[velvet grail]

Oke

[velvet grail]

I'm on windows startup options screen and there are options 4 & 5 t start either in normal safe mode or safe mode with networking

Oh it just turned off uhhhh

[hasty sphinx]

Normal safe mode.

Sorry, had to do my end of shift stuff. Just clocked out.

[velvet grail]

No problem
I had just went to the bathroom for one sec

Ok am in safe mode now

[velvet grail]

What do I have to do now, it's like normal windows but black and laggy

Do i just open ddu?

[tropic remnant]

#graphics-cards message

[hasty sphinx]

Yea. Follow the guide lol it literally tells you what to do.

[velvet grail]

Yeah but if I click on ddu it keeps extracting the file...

[hasty sphinx]

Did you extract the whole folder to a new unzipped folder on your pc?

Its a standalone program. No installation is needed.

[velvet grail]

I just double clicked the file, and it says extract, I choose location and nothing

[hasty sphinx]

Send pics

[velvet grail]

Solved, I just extracted to desktop

[hasty sphinx]

Lol

[velvet grail]

It didn't want to extract to other folders

[hasty sphinx]

Thats because you are in safe mode, so basic things like that won't work.

Should have done it when I told you to before.

You gotta follow steps as they are laid out to you man.

[velvet grail]

Wait...I did that before entering the mode but still didn't extract

[hasty sphinx]

Thats odd

[velvet grail]

Just needed to extract on desktop

[hasty sphinx]

Alright. Well run DDU

[velvet grail]

Ok

I cleaned, it's finishing...
So basically what I possibly just did was uninstall every driver from previous GPUs like the 1070?

They could have caused the problem..?

Rebooting...

Done @hasty sphinx

It does not recognise the GPU anywhere but the pc works

[hasty sphinx]

Booted into normal windows? Install the latest drivers.

[velvet grail]

Oke

[hasty sphinx]

Ofc it won't recognize it, there is no driver installed.

[velvet grail]

Oh
No
Where is my geforce experience? 😳

[hasty sphinx]

Have to reinstall it.

[velvet grail]

Google

Oof

Gugel

[hasty sphinx]

GeForce experience is part of the drivers.

[velvet grail]

Yeah but I didn't know it would have removed the entire program... I hope all the setting will be the same because I had personalized some things

Uhm
My Google Chrome doesn't work

It's like black screen chrome

[hasty sphinx]

Oh you will definitely have to redo your settings. DDU COMPLETELY REMOVES anything related to the gpu

[velvet grail]

Chrome is dead...
What do I do ...

[hasty sphinx]

Use edge then

[velvet grail]

💩

Ok

[hasty sphinx]

Chrome shouldn't be broken though

[velvet grail]

Do i install GeForce ex and install drivers from there?

[hasty sphinx]

You can download latest driver from nvidia website and when you run the installer it'll ask if you want to install geforce experience as well.

[velvet grail]

K

[hasty sphinx]

This is the point of DDU.

[velvet grail]

I'll just go for GeFex and then install from there

Because it can't load Nvidia drivers website

[hasty sphinx]

That works too.

[velvet grail]

125mb takes forever because it keeps stopping every 10 sec

[hasty sphinx]

why is it taking so long?

[velvet grail]

I don't know, WiFi keeps cutting off

Btw I have a 10MB/s connection + edge/chrome or whatever slowing down up to 70% the power

[hasty sphinx]

that's odd. Well I can tell you that DDU is not the cause of that.

[velvet grail]

I know, WiFi been having problems lately l, together with my WiFi card too

[hasty sphinx]

ah ok

[velvet grail]

Maybe I should update my wif card drivers because it's not really working well

WiFi card ddu
No jk

[fading glacier]

rumors on videocardz are hotter by the day xD

first shipment of 40 series on china in less than a month

hope that one turns out to be true

[velvet grail]

@hasty sphinx done installing everything, I'll setup Nvidia control panel and GeExp later, now I'll benchmark

[hasty sphinx]

well setup the control panel how you had it.

that way it's the same as when you benched it.

[velvet grail]

Don't remember

[hasty sphinx]

actually

bench it first

then set up the control panel

and bench again

[velvet grail]

Ok

Oke oke

I'll use some different guides online

[hasty sphinx]

Got your fan curve set up still?

[velvet grail]

I'll also check thermals

[velvet grail]

Should... Let me see

Becaus it uses afterburner

Huh? Lol

Why is it like this?

Everything is broken lol

@hasty sphinx nothing changed the score is still low

[azure cradle]

I’m looking at buying a 6600 xt and yesterday I was told to avoid the msi mech model due to cooling issues, although I can’t seem to find anywhere on the internet saying that. It’s currently $40 off plus there’s a $20 rebate card as well as it being the bestseller on new egg. Does anyone know if the msi mech model actually have these issues because it looks like the best one to go with for me.

[velvet grail]

@hasty sphinx btw GPU is super fresh

But I don't see why it doesn't work properly and gives me this score

Oh god
It wasn't set to profile 1 in afterburner

I'm an idiot

[hasty sphinx]

lol. so how's the bench now?

Also, it was good you did the DDU anyways.

[velvet grail]

You'll have to wait, it takes forever

[velvet grail]

Forget temps, it was limited to 53% power limit

[hasty sphinx]

I'm impatient. Hence why I gladly pay $25 to get my parts the very next day lol

[velvet grail]

If I got 9800 points with 53% power limit that means I may get the right score after this run

Now fans are kicking in much more

Btw what was that thing -15MHz every 10/5C past 60C...?

[fading glacier]

thermal throttling

the card start to lower the frequency every 5/10 degrees past the 60 degree mark

15mhz every 5/10 degrees

once it past the 60 degrees

[velvet grail]

@wicked hound could you explain the -15mhz over temps better?

[hasty sphinx]

Your card throttles itself by 15mhz every 5/10c above 60c.. so if you are at 2000mhz @ 60c then at 65c/70c it'll throttle to 1985mhz

[wicked hound]

For sake of better definitions, its not considered thermal throttling

[velvet grail]

@hasty sphinx I love you!
Thanks
And thanks for ddu guide that it exists

[fading glacier]

thats what i said

[velvet grail]

The score is just 100 away form the other one, which is good since it varies from benchmark to benchmark

@hasty sphinx thank you!!!

[hasty sphinx]

I know. lol

[velvet grail]

Nice

[velvet grail]

Ok, it makes sense, Ive got max 2055 (compared to max 2070mhz) that is just 15 less, that means is -15MHz/5C

Since I've got 69C (nice)
If it was 70 I'd have got 2040mhz

But once it gets to that lower Freq will it stay like that for all the time the application is open or will it go back to normal after a bit?

Idk why but for some reason MSI afterburner is messed up, however the driver install (iguess) made my GPU consume 30w less at idle

Is that possible?

Better power management

9w = <35C

Always big thanks to you and ddu

[hasty sphinx]

yes because the drivers are fresh and now tailored specifically to your card.

[opaque stump]

guys, whats the difference between XFX Speedster QICK 308 ULTRA, and XFX Speedster SWFT 210 Core?

[lone pond]

sounds like gpu boost 3.0

lol its not thermal throttling

[azure cradle]

I'm looking at buying a 6600 xt and I'm not sure which brand to go with, I'm trying to decide between 4 of them. Is there anyone that could help me out for a sec?

[livid idol]

Is it these 4? https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#X=19362,42564&c=509,501&sort=price&page=1

Just don't get the mech

[azure cradle]

with the mech last night you said about it having cooling problems but when I looked it up I couldnt find anything about that

anyways these are the other 3 I was looking at:
https://www.newegg.ca/asrock-radeon-rx-6600-xt-rx6600xt-pgd-8g/p/N82E16814930064

https://www.newegg.ca/powercolor-radeon-rx-6600-xt-6600xt-8gbd6-3dh/p/N82E16814131789

https://www.newegg.ca/sapphire-radeon-rx-6600-xt-11309-01-20g/p/N82E16814202407

is there one that stands out as like the best or worst? or does it not really matter

[livid idol]

Doesn't particularly matter

[azure cradle]

the asrock one would be the cheapest and come the soonest to where I live in Canada, so it would be fine to go with that one?

[livid idol]

Yep

[azure cradle]

alright thanks

damn I just realized that it's recommended 550W and mines only 500W, looks like I'm gonna be buying a new psu as well

[wicked hound]

What PSU model do you have?

[azure cradle]

I have a Rosewill Lepton 500

should I just try buying the graphics card and see how it works out before buying a new psu?

[ivory herald]

I'll just say I used to consider rosewill psus as a doorstopper. Doubt my opinion has changed much.

[livid idol]

Considering their best PSU is the B tier photon (but only below 750W or exactly 1350W) your opinion is still pretty valid

Lepton is low C tier so barely acceptable for a 3060/6600

Assuming it had the wattage required

[shrewd comet]

I am looking for advice to upgrade my video card

I am presently using an old 1050Ti

[livid idol]

What's your budget and country?

And current power supply

[shrewd comet]

500 to 700, USA

I want to say 900w on power supply

[livid idol]

What model though? That's more important than rated wattage on higher end GPUs

[shrewd comet]

bare with me, I have to rey and see it

try*

thermaltake smart 700w if that helps

[livid idol]

Best case scenario that's a C tier BM2

But probably the E tier ones

[shrewd comet]

ok, well that is greek to me

[livid idol]

You'll want a B or A tier PSU for this tier of GPU so I'll get a recommendation for that in budget too

[shrewd comet]

ok and will my mother board handle it

my 1050Ti is still running but seems my FPS is not what it used to be

[livid idol]

Motherboard won't matter much as long as it's not like 10 years old

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TNNC4s

[shrewd comet]

I updated motherboard about a year ago

thought it is a small motherboard

is one brand board better than another??

[livid idol]

[shrewd comet]

so the model matters more than brand

[livid idol]

Yes

Every brand makes some bad ones and most make good ones too

[shrewd comet]

I think my 1050 only has 2gb ram

so would be a big jump for me I think

forgive me, I am over 60, and computers have come light years since I had a commodore 64

[livid idol]

No worries, we're always happy to help answer questions

[shrewd comet]

you think it will fit in my case ok?

my case is a mid from IBUYPOWER

[livid idol]

They use rebranded cases from other manufacturers

[shrewd comet]

I am sure

[livid idol]

Do you have a picture of it?

I might be able to figure out which one

[shrewd comet]

was hoping to find it on their site, but probably no longer available

I measured it from fan to back it is about 150 inches

15"

15 not 150

so at 303mm, that is about 12 inches

25.4mm to an inch

gonna order it, and I think the power supply should be fine, if not can order a new one

Thank you for your advice

[modest reef]

What games do you play?

[woeful musk]

@heady turtle earlier I ordered the gpu you recommended

Thanks

[heady turtle]

Np enjoy

[rotund sparrow]

Is the evga ftw3 ultra 3080 12gb worth the extra $53 over gigabyte 3080 12gb windforce 3x fan? Cuz the used versions are back in stock at a great price from amazon warehouse

[heady turtle]

Ftw3 would be 700?

[rotund sparrow]

Yeah

[heady turtle]

Hmm I'd still go gigabyte, 50 is a bit much

[rotund sparrow]

Yeah that makes sense, sounds good, thanks

[heady turtle]

Np

[normal hawk]

Saw a 6900xt on Amazon warehouse deals for 643....might go for it. :')

[rustic pulsar]

What gpu and how many watts is the PSU

And is the hdmi/DP plugged into the gpu (not the motherboard)

[keen nacelle]

Wattage won't be an issue on boot, also I ran a 6800xt on a 650w psu (ofc model matters, but for boot that isn't an issue)

I'd try a different cable, if you can

@woeful musk

For the 8 pin cables, did you put the 2 pin ones in first?

And did you use two separate cables, or two 8 pins on the same cable

Did you put the 2 pin parts of the 8 pin in first?

Also this might sound stupid, but make sure the monitors on and plugged in

As in monitor power plugged in

[odd siren]

[keen nacelle]

I would say try asking again tommorow, but to me it's sounding like RMA time

[keen nacelle]

Poger

[odd siren]

Time to get some radeon experience

[keen nacelle]

Felix

You know anything about vega cards?

[odd siren]

Nothing

[keen nacelle]

Dope

Lol, ty

[odd siren]

Np lol

[ivory herald]

Ati radeon was the true radeon experience. box art was awesome too. Anyone remember Ruby? I had 1 of the posters

[livid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-i-member-randy-marsh-south-park-s20e1-member-berries-gif-20603949

[odd siren]

Gonna be fun trying out OC on it before I gift it

[livid idol]

I had a radeon 5770 and built a 6950 computer for a friend

The original 6950 from 2010 era

[odd siren]

I was about to ask

Never made that link before that we're reusing amd gpu numbers now

[livid idol]

That 6950 was insane overclocking too

Basically took all the sliders at max

[odd siren]

I like this unconventional idea of equality

[livid idol]

I was using afterburner so it's fairly comparable, but +200 on core was insane when the original clock was 800 MHz

Straight up 25% increase

On stock cooling

[odd siren]

Wth that's insane

[ivory herald]

GTX 570 was sort of similar. Around 730 core and hitting 900ish. What's funny is 200-220w tdp & just 2x6pin. Of course I skipped the 400 and 500 series completely. Certain Radeon gens great picks. Heck it was great when most gens had a nice 20+ % of OC headroom. makes things fun.

[azure cradle]

uh… I just upgraded from an rx 580 to a 6600 xt as well as going from a 500W to 750W psu to compensate. I’m getting the same fps as before if not a little lower, AND I’m experiencing some stuttering. Is this something that should sort itself out or did something go very wrong

[keen nacelle]

Well, did you ddu?

And also, model is more important than wattage for the psu in this case

500w is more than enough for a 6600xt

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[azure cradle]

no but when I installed it the amd software recognized it and I think it installed the correct drivers

[keen nacelle]

I would ddu

[azure cradle]

alright I'll try that then thanks

[azure cradle]

it was a rosewill lepton tho

[keen nacelle]

Never heard of it

[azure cradle]

yeah the people that did in this disc said it was not good at all

the 750W one I just bought is msi so I hope that it was a good choice?

[keen nacelle]

Mpg?

If its the mpg, good choice

Idk of any other msi psus

[azure cradle]

yeah the mpg A750GF

[keen nacelle]

Good choice

One of the best psus to buy

[azure cradle]

oh good to hear that

wait should I boot my pc in safe mode using settings?

[keen nacelle]

Yes

There's a guide in that link

[azure cradle]

alright thank you

once I rebooted it looked horribly stretched and pixelated and I was freaked out

then I realized it was just the resolution lol

[keen nacelle]

Yeah, just gotta reinstall drivers now

[azure cradle]

what is this option enterprise 22.Q2?

[livid idol]

Go for recommended or optional. Recommended is known stable, optional is newer and might have new game optimizations or features.

[azure cradle]

yeah that's what I went for but I was just curious about the third option

[livid idol]

Enterprise is for creators doing things like blender

[azure cradle]

oh ok

[livid idol]

It shifts the focus of the driver from 3D rendering to modeling. That's one way to think of it.

[rotund sparrow]

For DDU, does the gpu have to be physically disconnected from the motherboard during the process?

[jaunty mango]

No

Your just uninstalling the drivers

[rotund sparrow]

okay great, ty

[jaunty mango]

Yep np

[heady turtle]

You have the monitor plugged into the gpu not the motherboard?

[odd siren]

Heheh, 6600 go brrrr

[heady turtle]

Stonks

[hasty sphinx]

The TUF 3080 12gb did this to me too. I had to plug into my igpu to install gpu drivers, then it worked.

[livid idol]

There's certain combos of UEFI firmware and vbios that just don't get along

[hasty sphinx]

Could that be the fan issue with that card then?

Not that I care to much anymore, but I didn't know about my bios not liking vbios.

[livid idol]

No it wouldn't appear to work at all if that were the case

[hasty sphinx]

Gotcha.

[livid idol]

There's been tons of unnecessary RMAs and returns because there's nothing but a black screen and fans spinning on boot

[hasty sphinx]

Hm. What would I have had to do in the event I didn't have an igpu then?

[livid idol]

You'd need a second GPU of some sort to update the bios and/or vbios

[hasty sphinx]

Beyond using a different gpu and installing drivers before hand

Gotcha

Totally tried to send that before you typed that

[livid idol]

Yeah I saw you typing lol

[odd siren]

Burrrrrr

(Note: not my pc)

[heady turtle]

Weird

[heady turtle]

You didn't plug DP in after boot did you?

Dp can sometimes need a reboot after being plugged in

[heady turtle]

Vert mount

[hasty sphinx]

Nope. All monitors were plugged in before I even switched PSU back on.

[heady turtle]

Hmm

Weird

[hasty sphinx]

Vert mount would put my 6950xt fans right up against the glass lol

[odd siren]

(Double note: not my pc, also 90C hotspot max)

[hasty sphinx]

And I'm in a 5000D

[heady turtle]

Oof

[odd siren]

(50% fan)

No it's good

I'm not worried

Triple fan stonks

I have a proper vert mount if it was actually bad

Rest assured I don't preach what I sometimes practice

I bet if I repasted it and set the fans to 3K I'd get somewhere in the mid to low 80's hotspot

[odd siren]

Ye mine is only 2 slot so there is some space, hyte y60 moment

But also not mine

[hasty sphinx]

Lol

[odd siren]

I'm sorta understanding it now. I need to change the bios settings to give it more power for more frequency

Using mpt or whatever it is

[hasty sphinx]

Mpt?

[odd siren]

But in war thunder it was averaging about 280 fps, going up to 320 lows in the 200-210's

[hasty sphinx]

Are you using the adrenaline software?

[odd siren]

Ye adrenalin tool for now

I've only had like 2 hours with it

[odd siren]

More power tool

You'll wanna learn that tool too if you wanna OC the 6950

[hasty sphinx]

Ok.

So ocing with afterburner is not a good idea for amd?

[odd siren]

Nah adrenalin/wattman and MPT iirc are better

[hasty sphinx]

Ok.

[livid idol]

Afterburner is good but lacks certain features for high end OC on AMD

[odd siren]

I think what was weird was I tried a stress test on adrenalin and it failed on stock

But I tried TS GT2 loop and it was fine

And that was with a fair bit of an overclock

[heady turtle]

Also not having afterburner on startup is one less thing on startup

[odd siren]

True

[hasty sphinx]

Hm. I don't notice any difference in my startup time with all the stuff I have on startup

[odd siren]

Afterburner is very light but even still every little bit counts with benching

It's not like icue or armoury crate or synapse or whatever that will suck up to a good core's worth of power depending on what's happening

But still, one less thing

[hasty sphinx]

I see. I didn't think about that stuff affecting my benches.. then again I don't really bench.. I just like the fact that I'm #1 with a 1650 super/12600k combo

[odd siren]

Hey, weird time for a question, but I got a spare 1650 now, good idea to stick it in an editing rig for more editing power?

Nvenc encoder, yes?

Idk how it works for dual gpu stuff I had a laptop through the SLI days

[odd siren]

Also yes btw, this is why forks OS and Seby OS and other debloated windows versions are a thing

[heady turtle]

Are you the only 1650 super 12600k combo lol?

[hasty sphinx]

No -.-

https://www.3dmark.com/search?_ga=2.205209616.1243935223.1659002713-278726512.1655793942#advanced?test=spy P&cpuId=2893&gpuId=1303&gpuCount=0&gpuType=ALL&deviceType=ALL&storageModel=ALL&memoryChannels=0&country=&scoreType=overallScore&hofMode=false&showInvalidResults=false&freeParams=&minGpuCoreClock=&maxGpuCoreClock=&minGpuMemClock=&maxGpuMemClock=&minCpuClock=&maxCpuClock=

[heady turtle]

Lol a whole 22 ppl

Tis an odd combo

[hasty sphinx]

Still makes me feel good. Don't crush me like this!

[heady turtle]

:)

[velvet grail]

@hasty sphinx by changing some Nvidia control panel settings I was able to achieve basically the same score as yesterday but with a slightly better image quality...
So basically you can't get much better frame rate in games by changing just Nvidia control panel settings
However better image quality= just better

10750 is the average score for stock 2080 's...
Mine is just 500 point above average

+GPU statistic during benchmak

[odd siren]

Tmw I'm not far behind Fabio

[wheat crag]

Weird combo lol

[hasty sphinx]

It was just a placeholder until I could grab the card I wanted.

It just so happened to be good at oc.

[lone pond]

not far behind that 2080 with a 2070super

[wheat crag]

Basically the same card

[hasty sphinx]

Yeah, only 130 points

Thats like.. margin of error territory lol

[wheat crag]

2070s is and base 2080 r have about the same performance

2070s might be slightly better by like 1-5%

[lone pond]

my main pc is another league tho

[wheat crag]

Did u install the 6900 xt yet?

[hasty sphinx]

Nope. My fans didn't come today. Its been an ordeal.

I wouldn't be installing until Friday anyways.

[wheat crag]

Forgot u said that

[odd siren]

Meanwhile me on 9300 with a 6600 non-xt

10K would be amazing but I doubt I'll get that

[wheat crag]

Might be the cpu

I’d just compare graphic scores

[odd siren]

CPU doesn't give that much tho

[lone pond]

cant possibly be worse then a 10400

[hasty sphinx]

I always just compare the graphics scores

[odd siren]

Like 3000 cpu score is like 200 total score* on TS

[pastel sigil]

I'm having an odd issue if someone wants to have their brain picked on

[heady turtle]

Push 15k

Ayo i misread gpu score, 16.2k gpu wtf

[heady turtle]

Why your fans matter for gpu?

[heady turtle]

Just ask ;-;

[hasty sphinx]

I don't wanna mess with pc until I can do it all at once.

[heady turtle]

Smh but gee pee you

It's just slot

Done

[hasty sphinx]

Noo. I still have to connect another pcie. And I have to maneuver around my sensor panel. And and and.

:P

[heady turtle]

Oh?

Splain

Or else

[hasty sphinx]

Spain what?

[heady turtle]

Splain -> explain

[hasty sphinx]

I know.. but what is there to splain?

[pastel sigil]

You guys hear of any issues where a gpu causes a pc to restart when you choose shutdown? No other solutions work but if I remove my gpu the problem stops. It works fine even on benchmarks like 3dmark

Someone has been working through OS side trying to help me but nothing is working

[hasty sphinx]

@heady turtle can get you a 2fer here

@heady turtle

[heady turtle]

What pcie thingy you adding

[heady turtle]

No but try the repair functions here

!bat

[dreamy dragon]

Link to a general windows fixes and scans by Risen
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Windows-Troubleshooting-Utilities/releases/download/v12/Windows.Utilities.and.Fixes.Latest.bat

[pastel sigil]

It's XMP

[hasty sphinx]

Connector. To my gpu. From my psu.

[pastel sigil]

I flashed bios and shutdown, no issue. Engaged xmp, same problem. Turned it off, problem gone

[heady turtle]

Ahh

[hasty sphinx]

Try the .bat thing anyways.

[hasty sphinx]

Is it hooked up with display port?

If so.. try to use HDMI and see if that works.

[wheat crag]

Is this screen tearing or artifacting?

I’m playing on a tv rn

And it’s been happening quite a bit

I lowered my mem oc bc I was actually artifacting a while ago but the mem should be stable

[wheat crag]

It’s a Samsung 4k 55inch 60htz

Idk the exact model

The gpu is also a 3090 fe

[heady turtle]

Might be tearing yeah

[wheat crag]

I did the upscale thing in game to 8k and I was getting like 30-40 fps and some dips to 25 in mp and war zone

The temp stayed at 72 tho which was pretty nice

And below 60c at 4k

I’m guessing playing in the living room is a factor in the temps lol

[velvet grail]

@mighty island newest score for my 2080, I dont know why but last time you said you beat my score with the 5700xt but you actually got 100 point less than my score... Maybe you were looking at overall score..?
My overall and CPU are much lower because I just have a 3600x

[keen nacelle]

thats pretty close to my stock 3060 ti

[mighty island]

uhh last time I said "close"

as in the 5700xt is close

lol

[velvet grail]

Ah

Srry lol

[mighty island]

should be getting >12k

[keen nacelle]

my stock is 11800

[modest reef]

What motherboard do you have and how long have you had the issue?

[velvet grail]

Just a random info, if anyone of you wants to get better image quality and reducing GPU usage "waste" (as well as thermals) I recommend changing these settings in Nvidia control panel (except for Nv SDR and AmbOclusion 16x which can look bad in some games)
https://youtu.be/jH-aBwbmcG0

(no FPS gains overall, just better image quality)

[modest reef]

[mighty island]

lmao

i was about to say

what an absurd claim

[modest reef]

I'll check it out in a sec

[velvet grail]

Yeah that's clickbait

[rustic pulsar]

Step one: lower resolution to 480p

[velvet grail]

But the video is well explained and useful

[modest reef]

I'm assuming it's mainly texture and AA to quality

[pastel sigil]

I have an msi b560m mortar wifi. Apparently my 3600 ram is not supported by the i7 11700k after all. I put my 3200 vengeance back in and keep getting black screen even after jumping jbat

[mighty island]

3600 isn't officially supported, but 100% of 11700k samples should be able to run 3600

[velvet grail]

Basically removing unnecessary base settings and using more provided features like MFAA...

[mighty island]

11th gen has a strong memory controller, you should be able to run >5000mt/s ram with a decent board

[pastel sigil]

Ok now we booted. Frigging thumb drive was in... I'm tired

Well I had it on xmp, would keep restarting unless I turned off xmp

[modest reef]

Are you still getting the restart after shutting down?

[mighty island]

more likely to be an issue with the ram than the cpu or mobo

is your 3600 kit also corsair?

corsair has a bit of a reputation for improperly binning ram

[modest reef]

Yeah, if it's new RAM, you might have to RMA, especially if it can't run XMP

I have corsair ram

[mighty island]

not being able to run xmp on corsair kits is relatively common

[pastel sigil]

Yes both sets are corsair

Dominator 3600

[mighty island]

yeah maybe you just got unlucky twice

[mighty island]

well, as long as it works

[pastel sigil]

Vengeance rgb 3200

[mighty island]

just saying it has a higher chance of not working than other brands

almost everyone i see having xmp issues is using a corsair kit

[modest reef]

Do you have to use software to turn rgb off on RAM?

[pastel sigil]

I've been out of the loop a while, I always thought they made good memory. Who is the big kid on the block now?

[mighty island]

yes

[modest reef]

Ah okay

[mighty island]

corsair ram might be controllable with openrgb, not sure

[mighty island]

corsair haven't really been the "big kids on the block" since DDR3 days

right now their memory is fine when it works, but they have a higher chance of not working with xmp, and they're generally priced higher than similarly performing competitors

there's no real "big kid on the block", plenty of good brands to choose from; crucial ballistix arguably was one for DDR4 but it's been discontinued now so stock is inconsistent

generally as a casual user you just want to filter for what level of XMP performance you'd want and then grab the cheapest and/or best looking one that meets your desired spec

[pastel sigil]

Sad 😞

[mighty island]

more extreme users will choose based on the underlying ICs (b-die ddr4, hynix m ddr5) rather than the brand

[heady turtle]

Corsair has been getting better with ddr5 but Kingston be top of the top

[pastel sigil]

Ok well the 3200 seems to be happy. I'll try the 3600 dominator in my ryzen 9 build next week. If it doesn't work I'll rma it

What happened to easy?

Thank you all for the help

[rotund sparrow]

From another server:

Power color red devil rx 6950 XT $750 @ Amazon warehouse

https://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-Devil-Radeon-Graphics-Memory/dp/B09VYDTVGY/ref=sr_1_54?crid=2GUV8XD1BTSFH&keywords=Radeon&m=A2L77EE7U53NWQ&qid=1659014415&s=warehouse-deals&sprefix=radeon%2Cwarehouse-deals%2C162&sr=1-54

Is this a better deal than the gigabyte 3080 12gb windforce which was ~$642?

[fading glacier]

thats... kinda hot

so, whats the deal with amazon warehouse? are those returned items or refurbished?

[rotund sparrow]

Honestly not sure, but their quality no matter the description of the condition of how “used” it is, they’re practically new

At least in my experience

[fading glacier]

hmmm

[modest reef]

I think warehouse are returns and open boxes

[fading glacier]

well at 750 even used is a hard to pass anyway

[rotund sparrow]

This was posted as well, zotac tho

Zoltax trinity oc rtx 3080 Ti 12gb @ Amazon warehouse $765

https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-Graphics-IceStorm-Advanced-ZT-A30810J-10P/dp/B097DTK1F6/ref=sr_1_76?keywords=rtx&m=A2L77EE7U53NWQ&qid=1659014296&s=warehouse-deals&sr=1-76

[heady turtle]

Sheesh

[heady turtle]

Both geeat deals

[heady turtle]

Meh

[keen nacelle]

I guess this could also be a #mac-os-and-ios question, but can a vega 56 run Mac os?

[velvet grail]

We won't be able to use nvlink on rtx 4000, not because Nvidia will disable it but because rtx 4000 will be an obese series cards

[toxic sparrow]

i just ordered that powercolor red devil for 750

then cancelled it because condition said acceptable would have kept if it said good

[ivory herald]

I've seen people get a gpu that's marked "acceptable" & end up brand new.

[fading glacier]

yeah

not like you get a 6950 less than 1k anytime soon

you need to accept the fact that is used

or returned/open box brand new xD

like the 3080 tuf that @hasty sphinx returned... almost brand new

[toxic sparrow]

i guess its worth the risk i just dont want it to arrive DOA and not be able to return it because it was used

[fading glacier]

fair enough

used hardware is a gamble anyway, you gamble low price for a big win, or a lose

not for the faint of heart

not sure how amazon deal with that kind of stuff, maybe they can at least refund you if the item end doa, dont know 😛

[toxic sparrow]

that would save me a whole $250 versus buying new its so tempting

[fading glacier]

you do you man 😛

but yes, that 6950 is very tempting

much like the 3080 at 420usd the other day

[modest reef]

That 3080 is still running

[fading glacier]

yeah you hit a very good one

just some scratches here and there

[modest reef]

There was like two times when I rebooted, the login screen was blank, but it's been fine since

[fading glacier]

as pato said "at that price, they can take the shroud and the rgb for all i care" xD

[modest reef]

lol

Has anyone watched this "series"?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgHsVygN9V8Q4n4dwxuTG0zlmsm1utVp4

I'm gonna try to follow it when I'm home, but it might take a long time

[toxic sparrow]

@heady turtle what do you think ?

has anyone done a build with a liquid devil? is it worth the setup for all the water cooling?

[livid idol]

That depends on how much overclocking you're doing

And how many thousands of dollars you have to spend

[velvet grail]

Is rtx 2080 still considered high end card? Or is it now medium/medium-high range?

[livid idol]

It's still pretty high end, just not the latest

Easily does 1440p high

[velvet grail]

What about Ryzen 3600? Considering i9 12th gen made almost everything else a much lower range

Should it be medium-low?