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[sleek phoenix]

Then why TF won't they do ryzen!?

It's the same freaking cores

Wtf this is so dumb

They will do epyc zen, zen + and zen 2, but they won't even do the same chips on a threadripper board

Those same cores, carry over to ryzen as well

This is dumb af

They won't even update the same cpu, just because it has threadripper not epyc in the name

Any older ryzen than 5k, any work system on threadripper is effectively redundant

One red key is all it could take

That's absolutely wild to me

God it's so freaking dumb

Pfffft
https://pcper.com/2024/08/amd-exclusive-bootkit-meet-sinkclose/

It's literally a red key

This is a type of exploit that can be done in under 3 minutes if they have the malicious code

[compact egret]

This is giving me "B450 will not support Ryzen 5000" vibes

But magnitudes worse because it concerns actual security updates

Tfw worse than intel

[sleek phoenix]

That's the same sort of feeling I'm getting

Like, "Will this happen to me in 2 years on AM5?"

The absurdity

[tepid wasp]

What if this is an attempt to force people to upgrade

[sleek phoenix]

Oh lord I hope not lol

[compact egret]

EU parliment gonna be knocking on their door if they don't stop this anti consumer bs

[sleek phoenix]

I think the scariest part of this, is someone like me can figure out how to do it

AMD really knows how to clutch defeat from the jaws of victory don't they

Two major events into intel's low point and they dropped the ball on both

[compact egret]

Every time they have a victory they start going full corpo

[sleek phoenix]

Really runs the idea home of why we need competition

AMD is probably the worst example of it

[compact egret]

Yeah I'm glad the intel chip degradation thing wasn't worse

It would've been worse than bulldozer for the company

And the industry as a whole

[sleek phoenix]

Like I hate that Nvidia owns the cuda market, and intel basks in the majority of x86, but lord help us if you give AMD that trophy ☠️

[compact egret]

AMD will quite literally go the "no innovation, quad core for a decade" strategy

[sleek phoenix]

Yep

[compact egret]

As least they didn't get that arm merger

[sleek phoenix]

They are the worst at being the best

[compact egret]

Intel never did anything as scummy as AMD

[sleek phoenix]

Oh no intel have

[compact egret]

Aside from the recent fallout

[sleek phoenix]

Intel have definitely done it

Joker brought up a really good example yesterday

[compact egret]

Is it one of those "It's scummy but it's the biggest chip maker" so nobody cares thing

[sleek phoenix]

The "Processor upgrade card"

[compact egret]

Is that something in the 90s?

[sleek phoenix]

You'll probably work this out just from the picture

[compact egret]

Sounds like something that would get you a crap load of latency and destroy performance these days

[compact egret]

PAID DLC AHAHAHAHAH

[sleek phoenix]

Yep

[compact egret]

I thought it was actually a physical card

For a pentium too...

[sleek phoenix]

Nope

Lol

Intel has been nailed to the wall before

But man, AMD? They could be just as guilty if they sat at the top

[compact egret]

They are

Every time they sat on top they do something that screws over the consumers

[sleek phoenix]

Zen 4 is really significant to me as AMD had genuinely thought they won, so you got expensive cpus and motherboards across the whole spectrum

[compact egret]

Thank god intel is still competitive

Unlike AMD after FX

[sleek phoenix]

And they saw that no one would genuinely touch them

[tepid wasp]

Did it for Clarkdale on the G6951, Sandy Bridge with the 2312M, the 2102 and the Pentium G622

[sleek phoenix]

They lasted like, 2 months at their motherboard launch prices

Before the prices dropped like a rock

[compact egret]

Wasn't it with zen 3 too

[sleek phoenix]

Yep

[compact egret]

With price increases across the board

No 5600 and 5700x on launch

[sleek phoenix]

Zen 3 I wasn't there for it much

But yeah the initial launch was nasty

[compact egret]

The fact that they withheld the best value cpus is so scummy

Like by the time the 5600 and 5700x was out, everyone had a 5600x or 5800x

And I'm assuming they only release those chips to respond to competition

[sleek phoenix]

They are just as guilty as every other company of scummy behaviour, and this one is really wild to me

They won't patch architecture from the same generation

They have patches all the way down to 1K

But they won't touch any desktop 1k

Or 2k or 3k

[compact egret]

You'd think with the intel scandals they'd capitalise on it

But no

[sleek phoenix]

They are doing athlon god dammit

[compact egret]

Maybe the engineers demanded a pay rise

And the execs said no

[sleek phoenix]

They need to explain themselves ☠️

[compact egret]

Just wait until they're on GN's radar

🔥

[sleek phoenix]

GN's gone from detailed reviewer to judge jury and executioner lately

Frankly I love it

Cos he's so right about it

[compact egret]

He has a platform and he's not afraid to use it

One of the few tech tubers with a spine

[sleek phoenix]

He's tech jesus

No one argues with the 64 bit messiah

[compact egret]

I also love how he doesn't take sponsors

They just can't touch him

[sleek phoenix]

He will take sponsors

He does take sponsors

[compact egret]

Oh he does?

Was it sponsored reviews?

[sleek phoenix]

But he doesn't care if they don't want to work with him, is the difference

[compact egret]

Based

[sleek phoenix]

He currently has thermalright, montech, nzxt

And maybe a couple others

[compact egret]

nzxt?

[sleek phoenix]

Yep

yep

[compact egret]

Damn

After that fire incident

[sleek phoenix]

That just randomly happened in the last few weeks

[compact egret]

They're still willing to work with GN

I can respect that

[cyan hamlet]

GN takes sponsors but only for things they either don't typically review, like keyboards, or for things that are not related to the video content, like a power supply sponsor on a CPU video.

[manic horizon]

Pretty sure Linus does the same

[cyan hamlet]

Yes. Any news source should do that as a minimum to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest.

[manic horizon]

Unless it's Framework

But hey, at the very least he discloses that investment

[ivory pike]

https://fixupx.com/TechPowerUp/status/1823382536954736714

[proper anvil]

lets freaking GOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[cyan hamlet]

4 cores with vcache? Hmm.

[proper anvil]

now ryzen 3 pls amd

and athlon

[blazing crypt]

Didn't know AMD had Core Parking issues. Fixed apparently?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wdQpVcL_a4

[sleek phoenix]

It's still not a total fix

Source: My own 7950X3D

Some applications under the core scheduler still don't operate correctly under the circumstances, leading to incorrect utilisation or worse, real-time programs which lead too complete soft locking under loading or worse, freezing

Process lasso is just plain worth involving with as it allows you to manually tie apps to threads and fix those scenarios it's prone too, as well as reducing wattage and power by offloading properly

You can get these massive min spikes as ccd jumping occurs since the scheduler just plain doesn't have a program in it's library added since it's not in AMD's focus to do so

It does however fix the biggest offenders for problems

Cos it does in fact fix some of the parking

[cyan hamlet]

You can tell game bar to remember certain things are games so it triggers things correctly

[shut osprey]

indeed you can

does that actually help windows identify it as a game and schedule cores accordingly?

[blazing crypt]

Yes, AMD's instructions even call for it

https://community.amd.com/t5/gaming/how-to-set-up-your-system-with-a-new-amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-or/ba-p/589464

ONly 7000 though from what I read

[cyan hamlet]

Yes only for the 7900X3D and 7950X3D since those are the only asymmetric designs that require parking

[shut osprey]

huh it actually does lmao

[blazing crypt]

That article lists "7000X3D" but yeah, 7800 is single CCD anyway

[shut osprey]

who knew game bar would actually be important

[cyan hamlet]

It does say 7000X3D but it also says "ryzen 9" before that

[blazing crypt]

Yeah, the headline is 7900 and 7950 and then later on 7000

[blazing crypt]

Not only Game Bar but also Game Mode

[shut osprey]

yeah that too lmao

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/two-amd-zen-5-cpus-may-receive-a-significant-performance-uplift

The duality of man

[blazing crypt]

Ah, I read that article. 105W TDP BIOS is still a rumor.

But, I'd do it. MO POWAH

[cyan hamlet]

I feel like there's more going on with this launch than anyone has put together yet. Benchmarks and opinions are extremely inconsistent. LTT mentioned core parking is on the new Ryzen 9 chips, and we know that feature alone can have a significant impact when it is (or occasionally isn't) working correctly.

[blazing crypt]

Core parking is also on the 7000 series

[cyan hamlet]

My opinion is for now 9000 is a pass, but it might get the same "fine wine" treatment we've seen before with BIOS and chipset updates

[blazing crypt]

Yeah, it's a bit of a mess

[cyan hamlet]

Yes but only on 7000X3D

[blazing crypt]

When the 9000X3D's come out, depending on performance, I may upgrade

According to what I've read, Parking is still a thing for 9000 as well

https://www.anandtech.com/show/21524/the-amd-ryzen-9-9950x-and-ryzen-9-9900x-review/3

[sleek phoenix]

It's still barely any better than 7000 with core parking on

[blazing crypt]

It only shows improvements with PBO on

It's way more efficient though

[sleek phoenix]

The burning question for 9000 rn is "Will x3d boost the bandwidth to genuine improvement?"

I'm thinking that the addition of x3d oc is purely because they know it won't

[cyan hamlet]

9950X could hit 5.9GHz+ with PBO at only 250W or less

[blazing crypt]

I'm kind of doubting that, Anand found intercore latencies to be high

More significantly – and worryingly so – are the inter-CCD latencies. That is, the latency to go from a core on one CCD to a core on the other CCD. AMD's multi-CCD Ryzen designs have always taken a penalty here, as communicating between different CCDs means taking a long trek through AMD's Infinity Fabric to the IOD and back out to the other CCD. But the inter-CCD latencies are much higher here than we were expecting.

"Our current working theory is that this is a side-effect of AMD's core parking changes for Ryzen 9000. That cores are being aggressively put to sleep, and that as a result, it's taking an extra 100ns to wake them up. If that is correct, then our core-to-core latency test is just about the worst case scenario for that strategy, as it's sending data between cores in short bursts, rather than running a sustained workload that keeps the cores alive over the long-haul."

[shut osprey]

I'm just gonna stick with 7000 if I upgrade

[blazing crypt]

wait for 9000X3D before you do

[sleek phoenix]

Except it barely does even with lm

The most ironic change for zen 5 is that they fixed the ihs problem

[blazing crypt]

The latency issue could just be a PPM or AGESA code update fix too, gotta wait and see

[sleek phoenix]

7000 and 9000 this is reduced to almost nothing with proper scheduling

[blazing crypt]

That was pulled from Anandtech with a 9950X test

So, it's worse on 9000 series

[sleek phoenix]

Yeah but if you use lasso properly it's not really an issue

[blazing crypt]

I'm hodling until some of this gets sorted out

So far I'm not impressed but things are looking better

[sleek phoenix]

The real problems are we don't really have any clock gains, the change to microcode benefits other changes not persistent to windows atm

The regression in sse, avx/2 are from the change in latency yes

But the effects are quite minor

The real problem for ryzen rn is bandwidth

You have a zen 3 imc, decoupled to run higher on zen 4

Then copied again onto zen 5

When ryzen's best gains are in cache performance

Talk about stuff like code compile or avx 512, zen 5 destroys everything

Granted it needs to be on a program not layered off of sse or avx/2

I could believe agesa potentially repairing this middling performance but I'm not hopeful

And to top it all off the new voltage behaviours wipe the efficiency gains off these chips as well...lol

[blazing crypt]

Pretty substantial core latencies found. I doubt a PPM or AGESA update will fix it but I also don't know exactly how all that stuff works

[cyan hamlet]

The new core design this gen doesn't make sense to me with how little it's actually improved. 6.5B transistors up to 8.3B, but we see so little gains in real performance. It makes me think we've yet to see it operate correctly.

[sleek phoenix]

Ima compare this hold on

Oh yeah it's there

The arch is completely rearranged tho, so not sure if they could fix it

[sleek phoenix]

Yeah hence me thinking agesa could fix it, but also remember the big gains in non-windows work already exist

Avx 512 perf literally doubled

[cyan hamlet]

That's true I almost forgot about Linux blender results

It has to be a Windows scheduling thing or something similar

[sleek phoenix]

Yeah, the jury is still somewhat out on this

As I've said plenty of times already, AMD seems to love botching launches

[cyan hamlet]

At least when AMD screws up scheduling it doesn't result in perma bans in games (like with 12th gen lol)

[sleek phoenix]

[blazing crypt]

If it is the PPM driver, should be able to fix it

[sleek phoenix]

I would appreciate it being fixed tbh

But even in linux, general tasks aren't all that better

It'll be an agesa fix if there's something there to genuinely fix

It could've even been a result of speeding up the release by 6 months

[cyan hamlet]

They slowed down their release schedule really

[sleek phoenix]

Not generationally no?

[cyan hamlet]

They tried to do the "every 12 months" thing and they seem to be set on an 18 month timeline now

[sleek phoenix]

Was zen 1 2 3 quicker?

Zen 3 > 4 was 2 years

[cyan hamlet]

That was because of platform challenges like crazy memory prices

[sleek phoenix]

Hmmm

[cyan hamlet]

They had it "ready" before then

[sleek phoenix]

Zen 2 to 3 was 18 months

Oh yeah I see it now

Zen to zen+ to zen 2 was 2 years

So really they've had extra time on this

[blazing crypt]

Are the new motherboards out yet?

[cyan hamlet]

Not for a couple months

[blazing crypt]

Just had a thought about X670 holding it back

Or causing weird issues

Hmmmmm

It's probably just the CPU Silicon but wondering has begun

[sleek phoenix]

X870E is just X670

As X870 is B650

💀

[cyan hamlet]

New boards are weird, Schrodinger's memory support. It both is and isn't better at running fast memory. AMD did a demo running at 10k stable, but officially they claim it's not supporting above 5600.

[sleek phoenix]

They just renamed the chips and are gonna resell the boards at higher prices

[blazing crypt]

Doubt

[cyan hamlet]

USB 4 support is a big change

Especially since it's mandatory

[sleek phoenix]

It's really the only change

[cyan hamlet]

PCIe 5 off the chipset being mandatory as well iirc

[blazing crypt]

I'm reading Puget right now

[sleek phoenix]

They're rebadging b650 as x870

Like literally

B850 as a620 with enabled oc

[blazing crypt]

Found a HW post stating that WiFi 7, USB 4 and faster memory support were changes for X870E

[cyan hamlet]

Yep your screen cap confirms my memory, mandatory for both USB 4 and PCIe 5 off the chipset

[sleek phoenix]

A620 can already do oc btw

So they're just repurposing

[sleek phoenix]

Memory speed is going to be basically the same less 200MHz, same IO die

Yep there you go

[cyan hamlet]

Maybe you could call it that, if the old chipset was secretly capable of these crazy high bandwidth requirements already. Which of course we'd never know.

[sleek phoenix]

That pretty much paints the picture that whole table

[sleek phoenix]

It was tho

[blazing crypt]

Well, I'm already on X670E anyway so no plans to upgrade board

[sleek phoenix]

You can just slap a new wifi module into an old x670 and you have wifi 7

Lol

[blazing crypt]

GPU is next slot for upgrade

[sleek phoenix]

Some madlad in another server got a bios mod working for a620 to allow it to overclock

Some a620 motherboards like the pro rs are literally using the same b650 pcb

You can enable them to effectively work as b650's

So yes, they're downbinning most of the next gen am5 motherboard stack and renaming them. This is an nvidia moment for amd

[blazing crypt]

No consumer needs WiFi 7 if you already have 6E lol

[sleek phoenix]

Ye

[cyan hamlet]

BIOS modders are insane. They risk some expensive mistakes.

[sleek phoenix]

I mean the pro rs is an insane board for the price honestly

Asrock has something beautiful there

Lightning itx too

They both run on the same b650 pcb

[blazing crypt]

Despite what their reputation has become, I've always run Asus boards. Never an issue, super happy, OC well too

Also never had to RMA one so....dodged that massive bullet

[cyan hamlet]

I picked up the livemixer B650. It was actually cheaper than the pro rs A620 at the time. Highly underrated board because of the paint splatter look.

[sleek phoenix]

It's going to be interesting seeing next gen

[blazing crypt]

Paint splatter??

[sleek phoenix]

How long we can recommend older gen amd will be a matter of how long amd keeps value

[blazing crypt]

Holy I actually like that theme

[blazing crypt]

Ye

Nuts!!!

[cyan hamlet]

It has great memory support and all the I/O I could ever need

[sleek phoenix]

Livemixer is an understated board

Rommy ruined that board for me

😭

Remember they were experimenting with that x670 upgrade chip

Here's the fun thing on top about am5, you can literally add a second b650 chip and you get x670/e

And new gen am5 will be the same way

Did asrock ever release that

[cyan hamlet]

Yeah that's all the *70 chipsets are this time around, 2x *50 in parallel

[cyan hamlet]

I don't think it ever left concept phase

[sleek phoenix]

https://hothardware.com/news/asrock-teases-expansion-card-that-turns-amd-b650-into-x670

[sleek phoenix]

If they ever did it would've made the livemixer a monster price

That much io and x670 for this little??

It would've had a good niche

Also while we were talking motherboards:
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9000x3d-zen-5-cpus-same-3d-v-cache-ryzen-7000x3d-9950x-9900x-128-9800x3d-96-mb-l3/
💀

[cyan hamlet]

Look, I'm happy with 14 USB ports as it is, I don't need more lol

[sleek phoenix]

I have no hope for new x3d

The thermal envelope may give it a little more punch

Maybe they can get the clocks much higher on it??

Currently 7800x3d around 5ghz

[cyan hamlet]

One way or another new X3D would have to be redesigned because of the new, smaller CCD layout

[sleek phoenix]

If they could get 9800x3d to some 5.5GHz it might be meaningful

That core latency kinda concerning tho

[cyan hamlet]

Single CCD doesn't have that issue afaik

[sleek phoenix]

Then there's no real hope for it if they can't clock it higher rn

An agesa and a clock increase

That's all X3D has left in it's bag of tricks

The extra ghz won't even do a whole lot anyway

You'll maybe see a couple %

Ah that's really sad

If they don't fix it with an agesa, X3D looks really boring too rn

[cyan hamlet]

Call me the odd one out but I'm hoping against hope that Intel isn't BSing is and ultra 200 whatever is actually good. Slap some sense into AMD, make markets competitive again.

They have a definite chance in single core and gaming to do just that

All core, probably similar on the high end

[sleek phoenix]

From everyone I talk to about it I hear good things

The paper specs are concerning but ipc uplift sounds very strong

[cyan hamlet]

Interesting leak recently too, new "i3" whatever they're calling it having 4p4e

[sleek phoenix]

Yeah

[cyan hamlet]

Still only 8 threads but that should be a great gaming chip

[sleek phoenix]

You can't even really call them P and E anymore, different architecture but similar in function

The two main differences were cache pool vs independent per cluster/core and the additional thread per core

[cyan hamlet]

Look idc what Intel wants to call it any more. They can name the different tiers after mythical beasts for all I care. They're basically doing that with Arc after all.

I'm still going to call it what I want

[sleek phoenix]

They're already naming them mythical characters

Beasts is really just one step away

[sleek phoenix]

Mmm the more I read Zen 5 reviews the more I'm under the assumption it's a bandwidth (or more specifically throughput) as a problem

Zen 5 has these massive improvements everywhere, but you have this massive intercore latency that is likely what's just flushing all of these gains out

I also only learned today they boosted the L1 cache

So it really shouldn't be so similar at all

Big pointers to frontend latency

[shut osprey]

ya think they're gonna be able to boost performance as time goes on?

they really shouldn't make that a trend, to only truly start working to optimize a product after it's release

[sleek phoenix]

I think the most I can say is jury is still out as some people have some wild takes on what could happen

It definitely seems...wrong

But I don't think anyone in the internet space could tell you what needs to be right

It's just really hard to explain, there's a lot of details that state that the imc actually hasn't hit a theoretical limit

But the nature of the performance is very much more akin to that of epyc?

There's a lot going on, and you get these massive ups and downs in performance

Like for example anandtech had war hammer performing some 30% worse on zen 5 over other recent amd chips

But not just this

The 12 core was for one much faster than the 16 core

So you got these two competing with each other with this absurd fps loss

Like what we had on early 7950x3d

I can't however say they're similar at all

Only to effect but not cause

Something that I noticed which was to me significant was that Zen 5 apparently no longer needs cppc?

The cores appear to all be very similarly binned and consistent on the new process, so the requirement isn't really there anymore

Mayhaps this leads to the weird performance we see in windows? Windows scheduler can no longer use cppc thus suffers? Idk

On the other hand the significant intercore latency is pretty nasty, which looks a lot more like the cause in proper form

[shut osprey]

maybe windows is just confused by the new chips

[sleek phoenix]

I'm really not sure

[shut osprey]

Someone probably needs to do a deep dive in order to figure out what the hell is going on lmao

[sleek phoenix]

There's a lot for me to learn here so digging deeper and deeper I have to backtrack to get all the background info to get up to speed

But when even the reviewers themselves are really unsure why it's doing it....then I don't think I'll find much more

[sleek phoenix]

This part really throws me off tho

You don't normally get massive regressions like that unless something is critically wrong

[sleek phoenix]

And this is coupled with the inter-ccd latency being wildly worse when the exchange via the io die is barely any different

But you could fix this with lasso if it was the biggest issue, and therefore the 9700x would be a lot better?

Sort of conflicting myself there

I think the interccd latency isn't the culprit

See, I'm learning as I go even in the chat...lol

Might be a better way of explaining it

Might be a series of issues

This is gonna give me a massive headache

[shut osprey]

If it hasn't already

[sleek phoenix]

Wtf
https://youtu.be/D1INvx9ca9M?si=vEM2UOFax2eZEDDN

(No it's not the performance of zen 5 fixed)

My cpu just got a free boost

(I hope)

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.techradar.com/computing/cpu/report-suggests-amds-new-ryzen-9000-cpus-arent-selling-well-at-all-but-intel-shouldnt-get-too-excited-yet

[cyan hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[sleek phoenix]

Yeah. GOOD. They should have done that in the first place.
https://overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd-extends-their-sinkhole-mitigation-plans-to-cover-ryzen-3000-series-matisse-cpus/

[shut osprey]

Yay great its now how it should have been from the get go fr

[manic horizon]

Honestly I hardly know anyone still on Zen 1

Or Zen+

[sharp wing]

I have 1 pc on a 1600af

[cyan hamlet]

It's only super budget buyers looking at it right now, that want a platform they can upgrade easily later

Honestly I'd take a 1600 right now to put in my server, it's better and more efficient than the 1650v2 I have

[west saffron]

My brothers pc that I built back in 2020 has a Ryzen 3 1300x in it. Got the mobo, ram, cpu, and cooler for $60 on fb marketplace.

[manic horizon]

I didn't say nobody

I say barely anyone

Like the overwhelming majority of people is on at least Ryzen 3000 at this point

[ivory pike]

They’re $25 on eBay

[sharp wing]

that one I use for my media server

though I had some issues with my music server portion recently

[cyan hamlet]

Sure, but
I have no money
It's a pain converting a server from Intel to AMD, especially since I'd have to buy a new motherboard (I destroyed my old AM4 board in a fit of vengeful fury after it blew up my 5800X)

[sharp wing]

yikes

[untold oak]

ive got a storage server with a 2700X

[wheat radish]

:/

imma bout to go broke with amds stocks

[cyan hamlet]

It's a bad time for stocks in general

Especially tech

[magic lotus]

I don't understand, is it good or bad to be similar to another project?
https://www.pocketgamer.com/blackfield/coming-soon

[cyan hamlet]

Neither. It's all about what unique things you bring and how well things are implemented.

There isn't one size fits all

[shut osprey]

If there was, there wouldn't be any risk to speak of

[quiet ruin]

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/i-can-look-and-it-goes-where-i-want-to-neuralink-participant-is-using-his-brain-chip-to-play-counter-strike-2-with-just-his-mind/

[shut osprey]

I remember the same guy saying that his neuralink was practically cheating lmao

[cyan hamlet]

How's the latency on that though

Couldn't be less than kb+m

[shut osprey]

I think it's most definitely better than kb+m

even ignoring the physical latency between the human interface and the computer

the latency between a command being translated into an input is instantaneous

vs our brains having to send a signal to our hands to move a mouse or press a key

bro just gotta think and it is done immediately

WAIT IS HE GOING TO GET BANNED DUE TO THE DETECTION OF THE STRAFE THING

IN CS2

[quiet ruin]

Imagine playing and ur teammate just says bro lock in

https://tenor.com/view/lock-in-parasyte-hold-up-gif-6616384397279042321

[sleek phoenix]

@haughty topaz
https://en.overclocking.com/the-end-of-an-era-for-ekwb/

[haughty topaz]

well I'd say "aw that sucks" but I've probably spent over $1000 on terrible EK products

[sleek phoenix]

https://youtube.com/shorts/pGOSaIKuGKs

@agile perch @cyan hamlet

They're up to their tricks again

[agile perch]

if it's cheaper, cool

if not, bs

[sleek phoenix]

Now it truly has become the 60 Ti the die size always made itself out to be

[agile perch]

shouldve named it the 4060 ti super

[cyan hamlet]

If that's the 4070 with G6 then it's old news.

It's only reduced the speed by 1gbps

[sleek phoenix]

Remembers 3060 Ti G6X

https://videocardz.com/newz/first-geforce-rtx-4070-gddr6-cards-announced-but-packaging-doesnt-make-it-obvious

SSD part swapping tier of sneaky

[vivid kelp]

It'll be -$50 cheaper dont worry

[cyan hamlet]

It's sneaky yes, and scummy that it's not more visible on the packaging. But it's not like it's detrimental to performance, like switching QLC and TLC.

[vivid kelp]

While it's technically fine, I'd say they still shouldnt be given a "pass" cuz it isnt detrimental enough to be toollessly noticeable (probably). "Give companies an inch and they'll take a mile" is why I think as such. If different is measurable enough to be outside of margin of error then it needs the ban hammer.

[sleek phoenix]

https://youtu.be/rlfTHCzBnnQ

Free 10% for all AM5, neat

Intel gets some gains too

Curious about X3D and AM4 though

Seems windows cleaned house a bit (Finally)

[sleek phoenix]

Turns out X3D also benefits

Similar gains where applicable

[cyan hamlet]

Only in specific titles, and probably due to other things besides the improved AMD branch prediction.

But yay free* performance

Oh and Zen 3 gets a bump too

[spice cedar]

So is it going to get a dedicated update or is it out yet? And to access it rn gotta use administrator mode right?

[cyan hamlet]

This is a preview build of the not yet released 24H2 version of Windows 11. You can sign up for the insider program and install it if you really want.
The admin account issue is a totally separate thing. That's a bug that Microsoft has to fix in the future. DO NOT run your computer using the hidden "administrator" account, unless you feel like risking all of your data on your network, not just on the PC.

[sleek phoenix]

Yeah no

Who is online

@hasty crane @pale tree @cyan hamlet bot spam

Thx

[glass tinsel]

weeeeeeeeeeee!! https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-backports-branch-prediction-improvements-to-windows-11-23h2-more-users-will-see-ryzen-performance-improvements

[manic horizon]

Installing it rn
We'll have to see if it actually changes anything

[sleek phoenix]

https://wccftech.com/xbox-series-x-sales-increase-japan/

[sleek phoenix]

Follow up on this, apparently by a big amount

Whole generation potentially

AM4 X3D as well

Talk about twisting the knife on Intel

Oml

[fast trout]

GN boutta bury EK with this one

[fresh cypress]

i feel like thats the only way he stays relevant

[sleek phoenix]

I could care less who does it, if bad practice exists it deserves to be destroyed honestly

I think it's good he blitzkrieg's this stuff, no one else does it

Not in this industry

[sleek phoenix]

https://youtu.be/lyME2IM8jjY

[shut osprey]

Huh

Why different

What is memory integrity

[cyan hamlet]

It's a Windows setting that prevents programs from accessing memory outside their designated boundaries

A security feature basically

[shut osprey]

O

Why different between versions

I thought it'd be the same

[cyan hamlet]

Maybe they say more about it in the video

But yes the lack of the "memory integrity off" data point for 23H2 makes it an odd comparison

[shut osprey]

Yeah I haven't watched obviously lol

OH I just noticed that

I assumed it was off on the other one for 23h2

Suss

[cyan hamlet]

Right the data points are pre-patched 23H2, post patch 23H2, 24H2 mem int on, and mem int off

I'm guessing part of the performance issues have to do with it being a preview build and all the new "features" they're shoving down the pipeline that no one asked for, like Recall.

[shut osprey]

Recall recall

Never use it again

[tepid wasp]

Total Recall if you will

[shut osprey]

OO you right

[sleek phoenix]

Anandtech just shut doors

[fresh cypress]

who

[ivory pike]

Review journal

Mostly popularized on early internet
Fell out of favour when less reputable sources started being common on it

[cyan hamlet]

Just another tech review source that used to be great but fell victim to the AI revolution

Times are changing, drastically

[simple barn]

Gamecrate news

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/3/24234909/sony-concord-ps5-shutdown-poor-sales-launch-pc

[cyan hamlet]

Wow. I needed that laugh, thank you.

[tepid wasp]

Man, game goes through 8 years of dev, is garbage, sells abysmally, doesn't even last a month before being pulled from the market and if it is ever rereleased it'll be f2p

[proper anvil]

one of the worst game launches in history

[tepid wasp]

Is that a bigger L than ET?

It has to be

[cyan hamlet]

Considering they're refunding everyone, yes, it must be a bigger flop than ET

[sharp wing]

all the 1k people that bought it

[cyan hamlet]

combined between PC and PS5

[west saffron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE2YZhcC4NY

looks weird

[sleek phoenix]

I don't think there's any universe where you can make 8 bit look normal

[proper anvil]

should've made it an animated movie

literally no harm in that

[sleek phoenix]

Last post before I'm off

https://youtu.be/Mhskhsd_3iU

432p gaming

☠️

[sharp wing]

I think they could have just left it with minecraft story mode...

this looks too much like a jumanji / pixels crossover with weird graphics

[cyan hamlet]

I have to wonder how much of the graphics are "AI upscaled" (aka passed through a filter so the animators can be lazier)

[shut osprey]

Literally all I been saying LOL

[shut osprey]

Story mode was probably the best way to tell a minecraft story tbh

[shut osprey]

it really is just a jumanji movie clone

like legit why are most movie studios actually fatally allergic to animated films

Not like the spiderverse stuff was bad?

Disney's own movies flopped because of ass plots and terrible character development

[bold helm]

bc hollywood knows best

[shut osprey]

Like, The Last Wish (I think it was called that)

[bold helm]

the mario movie was pretty nice ig

thats the last animated movie i watched

[shut osprey]

would have been fine if the "villan" wasn't the only relatable person in the whole movie lol

Mario movie was alright, it had soul and character and a plot

and some feeling of tension

[bold helm]

the last movie i watched was oppenheimer

i forgot how it wwnt

went

but it was good

[shut osprey]

#general-chat

[bold helm]

nah im done talking bye

[sleek phoenix]

YOU CAN BUY THE SHARK NOW

https://youtube.com/shorts/gIfJW-b4r-8

[cyan hamlet]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-allegedly-has-stock-availability-issues-for-core-i9-13900k-and-14900k-cpus

I can't imagine why

[sleek phoenix]

I forgot to post that yeah

But like, what else can you do anyway

This is entirely the reason they didn't do a recall, I saw that coming from miles away

And you want the warranty honoured anyway so may as well wait

[cyan hamlet]

You ask for a refund, that's what you do

4-5 weeks without a CPU is unacceptable

[sleek phoenix]

I'm not sure on the laws per state or country but I believe they're not necessarily obligated to that as long as they replace it

As long as the conditions state time of turnaround

If they take much longer than agreed time though then there should be an option to tide you over or help with the time delay

Morally right, but not obligatory

[cyan hamlet]

An acceptable compromise to me would be a temporary loaner CPU until the replacement comes in

[sleek phoenix]

It becomes a liability if it's contractual and signatory

Yes a loaner works

But I wouldn't say there's much more they're onus to beyond that

They can have the cpu back while they wait even

I'm sure they have arrangements for that in place

Still sucks either way, warranty is never fun

[cyan hamlet]

I think part of the problem is that the business clients that are replacing their units in droves actually do have a service contract that states a maximum turnaround time, so they get priority over some average Joe sending a single unit in

[sleek phoenix]

We probably won't know, either way as long as the cpu is intact they're not liable for service impact if given appropriate warning or caution

So alternative arrangements are possible

Would be pretty crazy if people were succeeding with refunds on their first cpu tho

[cyan hamlet]

Unfortunately the alternative here is either buy a new unit off the shelf or switch to AMD

[sleek phoenix]

Ye

And it could be worse

Like razer breaking my phone, or the samsung tv scandal

[cyan hamlet]

Or Asus blatantly breaking warranty laws

[sleek phoenix]

Some people can be a real ass with warranty work

Or hell

Newegg

💀

[cyan hamlet]

That was a roller coaster for sure

[sleek phoenix]

Sucks but I can only say waiting is the easiest course rn

Loaner cpus make sense, though who knows how many they'd need

That's a lot of throwaway stock

And doesn't intel take cash deposits for these things? Idk if people would be ok with double dipping on a loaner on top

[cyan hamlet]

Not necessarily, they can use returned 13600s

Things like that which would basically sit next to the trash until they were sure they didn't need them

[sleek phoenix]

Wouldn't those also have issues tho?

And then they will be throwing them into the pit of fire again to be degraded more instead of downbinned

[cyan hamlet]

RMA ones would but not returns, there's lots of reasons to return

[sleek phoenix]

Oh i c

Hmmmg

Mayhaps

[cyan hamlet]

Whenever a retailer gets a CPU sent back they send it back to Intel/AMD, with few exceptions

Even Microcenter

That's one of the few things they don't sell open box

[sleek phoenix]

The odd open box does exist tho

[cyan hamlet]

Occasionally yes

[sleek phoenix]

Maybe not MC

[cyan hamlet]

Usually that's something you'd find on the secondhand market like ebay

[sleek phoenix]

Tray cpus

7600X3D no longer MC exclusive

[manic horizon]

Intriguing

[sleek phoenix]

https://youtu.be/izqEZmjTfuM

@cyan hamlet win11 is now matching win10

There were no actual gains

[cyan hamlet]

That's some weird findings all right, and it does explain a few things. Too bad 10 is basically unusable with r9 X3D.

And anything with e cores

[sleek phoenix]

https://youtu.be/6VjYFdHMC3A

@hot sable this is it. EK is done for I think.

Like well and truly

[cyan hamlet]

Considering the years of unpaid taxes and frequent non-payment to employees and vendors, yes there's probably no way out of this

[sleek phoenix]

The account freeze turned out to be real too

With authorities asking for full disclosure of work conditions

It looks really really bad

[cyan hamlet]

After the account was frozen they opened a new one in south america and asked for a bunch of loans

[sleek phoenix]

Yeah this is really dubious

They are on the ropes

[hot sable]

Oh wow they’re cooked

That clearance sale might be happening after all

[tall vigil]

i need a wifi card

any recommendations?

[fast trout]

the fact that GN has to do this is crazy

its awesome that they do this stuff though

standing up for the workers and consumers

[fast trout]

ask that in #building-and-recc-chat

[cyan hamlet]

Something AX210 based

[compact egret]

Yeah it's great that they use their platform to call out shady corporate practices

We need a GN in every industry honestly

[sleek phoenix]

https://videocardz.com/newz/first-amd-x870e-x870-motherboards-hit-retail-with-high-initial-pricing

[cyan hamlet]

Par for the course. AMD has a record of setting a high initial price and reducing it within a few months now.

[shut osprey]

yeah feels pretty normal

[ivory pike]

$750 for a mobo is criminal

[cyan hamlet]

There's others listed for 340 eur

Which is still high but that includes tax and VAT

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxgfJOWaXDw&t=0s&ab_channel=NorthridgeFix

Never seen this before

Several hundred degrees was needed to break this clean off

Wtffff

Oh man I really hope 12vhpwr just dies

This has to be the most ridiculous one yet

[vivid kelp]

Remember that heat source is typically at other end of connector, plastic looks pretty in tact for being two billion degrees. This doesnt seem like a 12vhpwr issue, just a heckup where half the points werent soldered.

[sleek phoenix]

The plastic fused together

The connector was definitely at several hundred degrees, the whole damn piece lmao

For the plastic to fuse it needs to be at something like 120C

So it was hot enough to desolder and then fuse

Half the points not being soldered makes a bit of sense but that card was very clearly way over what would've been 6/12 pins to do that

As well as the sense pins connected properly

I think the whole lot of them weren't soldered properly

[vivid kelp]

Ah, I only skimmed it. Prolly should've watched it more

[sleek phoenix]

Is all g

The situation is strange becoming stranger

The best explanation being the solder job was poor for sure

Absolutely wild you'd have a tolerance like that tho cos the guy would've had to jam that cable into the plug

[scenic torrent]

its a good business tactics u know

u broke ur gpu u buy another

🙂

quite genius

meh its not that damage they just forget to solder it xD

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/100495/ps5-pro-disc-drive-sells-out-ahead-of-launch-sparking-major-concerns-scalping/index.html

[spice cedar]

👁️ 👄 👁️

[cyan hamlet]

Imagine that. People still want the disc drive after all.

It's almost like "purchasing" games online doesn't guarantee that you can play it at a later date

[shadow heart]

"I buy a console so I can get games for Christmas and I don't have to ask my parents to get me money for the game for Christmas"

The only reason for optical drives still existing in consoles

[vivid kelp]

Same for "physical" games now-a-days. Half the time they are just keys, other half the time they require online verification for updates and the like. They are only good for people who utilize the second hand market now.

[cyan hamlet]

Backwards compatibility too

[sleek phoenix]

https://traxion.gg/corsair-purchases-fanatec-assets-endor-ag-liquidated/

[gaunt pagoda]

wait

i thought the deal fell through

i guess they changed their mind

[sleek phoenix]

Negotiation is a long con if you want a good price

They probably walked away from a worse price for them

[gaunt pagoda]

true

[ivory pike]

Liquidating the parent company is what I expected from Corsair tbh

[cyan hamlet]

Standard move in today's market. Buy a company and only keep the parts you want or the most immediately profitable parts.

[manic horizon]

So Fanatec is proper dead now

and it's gonna turn into just another name of selling RGB blinged overpriced crap

"Shareholders should expect not to receive any payments."

Yup, someone's gonna have to get shafted for the big corps to make profits

I suppose Moza for the win

[sleek phoenix]

No endor AG was liquidated

Fanatec is NOT dead

Fanatec will (or should) live on as a sub brand, like corsair has done with elgato and scuf

Fanatec is a huge brand, endor AG however can eat the financial liability

Endor AG isn't what's plastered over half of the major motorsports in EU

[shadow heart]

I know it's weird but I just hope that Fanatec prices stay the same. Yeah they're expensive, but their stuff isn't bad. But it's also not a cheap hobby. Honestly prices should just stay the same. Basically, I don't want them to make Fanatec's stuff any more expensive

(I just want a Fanatec setup I'm begging)

[chilly moat]

Meanwhile you have cammus making a $250 dd wheel. Yeah its cheap chinesium but it shows how cheaply you can package a dd wheel

I genuinely think they are charging a fanatec premium

[cyan hamlet]

Intel: We're having trouble with stock from all the RMAs
Intel later: No there's no stock issues, we swear
Intel now: https://wccftech.com/customer-gets-intel-core-i9-14900k-rma-faulty-core-i9-13900k-full-refunds/

[sleek phoenix]

HUGE W

https://youtu.be/OcKcnWExuG8

[cyan hamlet]

Agesa update 1.2.0.2 just dropped, fixing the weird core to core latency problem
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9000-inter-core-latency-significantly-reduced-with-new-agesa-1202

Benchmarks do show a slight performance improvement but it's too early to tell what it will do in the real world

[ivory pike]

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-4090d-discontinued-next-month-in-preparation-for-next-gen-rtx-5090-5090d-gpus/

Sigh

[shut osprey]

Bye 4090

It was nice knowing you

[sleek phoenix]

Can't wait for $2000 5090

(I can)

(Forever)

(Just don't release it tbh)

[vivid kelp]

$2000 5090 2GB LETSS GOOOOOOOO

[shadow heart]

Budget 5090 lol

[balmy flax]

guys i need help, so basically i need to write a essay and im trying to find a good website which has tech articles. Im looking for opinions on products and if they recommend or not recommend so i can write about it. anyone know good sites to look for tech articles? please @ me and lmk, thanks

[cyan hamlet]

rtings.com
techpowerup.com
tomshardware.com (controversial)

[balmy flax]

thanks

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9900x/30.html

i found this review but holy its so long 💀

[cyan hamlet]

You can ask an AI to summarize it for you

But there is the conclusion right off the bat on the page

[balmy flax]

yeah ill do that, the thing i gotta figure out is how to do a rhetorical analysis on it 💀

[sleek phoenix]

https://community.intel.com/t5/Blogs/Tech-Innovation/Client/Intel-Core-13th-and-14th-Gen-Desktop-Instability-Root-Cause/post/1633239

#cpus-mobo-and-memory message

[proper anvil]

i wonder if the next patch can allow me to undervolt further 🤔

[cyan hamlet]

If only it worked that way

[shut osprey]

Yeah no trust from me lol

They tried to weasel out of replacements and everything

[thorny tree]

https://tenor.com/view/ambush-doors-ambush-doors-doors-ambush-door-30-gif-8342841095161611009

[shadow heart]

https://tenor.com/byIqC.gif

[shut osprey]

Still embed fail

[west saffron]

lol the company that made The Day Before (Fntastic), is trying to make a comeback...

[shadow heart]

https://tenor.com/byIqC.gif

imagine

[proper anvil]

cringe

[jade pagoda]

Nice PFP change

[proper anvil]

Thanks

[jade pagoda]

[shadow heart]

Apple: (makes a button specifically for the camera)

Everybody: it's ass

Makes no sense to me lol

[sharp wing]

After a few days using it, the way they made the ability to half press is cool but impractical. When you are in a pinch you will most likely misclick the trigger and the button itself is not in an ideal spot, but i will say has been ok in terms of being able to shoot portrait

[shut osprey]

Wrong position, half press too light

Scroll direction is wrong

Right should be zoom and left should be zoom out

Touch issues on the screen area around the camera button

[shadow heart]

Okay then that's the criticism I was looking for. Not just "lmao they added a button an it's the stupidest thing they've decided to do"

I like to call that an "okay then why?" type of criticism

[sleek phoenix]

This is so weird to me

My sony has this feature

It's like a 5 year old feature

It's great

[shadow heart]

Sony just being underrated as usual

[sleek phoenix]

The thing I hate is a google assistant button next to my lock button

THAT BUTTON can suck a lemon

Thanks google for mandating this

[shadow heart]

Imagine not having your voice assistant button integrated with the home button

[sleek phoenix]

It is

Bruh it is already

AND A SEPERATE BUTTON

[shadow heart]

Bruh that's ass

[sleek phoenix]

Next thing I know they'll add a "shake to google assistant" accelerometer feature

[shadow heart]

Surely it's not like that on every Android phone, right? I kinda feel bad for you guys lol

[sleek phoenix]

Samsung

[shadow heart]

I figured

@sleek phoenix Also this is random but I unplugged the screen I had inside of my PC and it may have gotten rid of a lot of the 1% low/microstutter issues. If it matters, I had it plugged in like this: USB for power and function (function being the touchscreen, so there's data going through the USB. Don't know if that matters) and an HDMI coming from the CPU's integrated graphics

I could've tried different configs though, like power from a completely separate power source other than the PC and maybe also the HDMI coming from my GPU. I might try that later and see what happens

Probably should've put this in #building-and-recc-chat. Sorry mods

[sleek phoenix]

Bad power to the screen

Yes absolutely related

[shadow heart]

You think?

[sleek phoenix]

Yes

I had a stream deck that did this to my old laptop

It's high usb draw, it fits

[shadow heart]

Is that just a Ryzen thing?

[sleek phoenix]

Heh

Ryzen and agesa?

[shadow heart]

Yeah

[sleek phoenix]

Agesa being everything to do with io and the io die

?

Ofc

[shadow heart]

I mean I know Ryzen had some USB issues in the past

[sleek phoenix]

Either it needs separated power or you have some sort of back feeding current

My current splitter is guilty of this too

I unplugged it from the power socket and my pc got better

Go fish on that one, they weren't even connected apart from 1 hdmi

[shadow heart]

I also have like a ten-port USB 3.0 splitter going to a four-port USB 2.0 KVM lol. The ten-port is powered but idk about the KVM

Just checked and the KVM is not powered 💀

[sleek phoenix]

I would believe it's related yeah

This screen will be drawing a lot of watts

[shadow heart]

Yeah because I still get some of the stuttering stuff still

[sleek phoenix]

Try rearranging your usb around

High power to separate power, rest to pc as much as you can

[shadow heart]

I really need to rearrange my whole cable setup lol

[sleek phoenix]

If it keeps going, maybe consider rma

Like fr

[shadow heart]

gotcha okay thanks

[sleek phoenix]

Io stuttering is ass

I rma'd my own

[shadow heart]

didn't know this stutter had a name like that lol

[sleek phoenix]

It doesn't

I'm associating it because I've seen it

[shadow heart]

Makes sense though

[sleek phoenix]

Reproducible issue on my case, it got so bad 3 usb devices were enough to brick my x670e

[shadow heart]

It was super bad when I tried Manjaro a super long time ago too (like with my 2200G)

[sleek phoenix]

That was more the pc screaming about trying linux

No this doesn't have a name either

I could give it one

"Don't turn me into linus torvalds syndrome"

[shadow heart]

lolll

[shadow heart]

@sleek phoenix I know we kinda just got done talking about it but what about the graphics side of the screen setup? I had Wallpaper Engine running on the screen (settings were moderately heavy). The HDMI for the small screen was plugged into the iGPU. Should I switch it to the dGPU? Idk if some of the CPU's components somehow help the iGPU in any way lol (though I'd doubt it but I thought I'd ask to be sure)

[sleek phoenix]

Still same hypothesis

[shadow heart]

Gotcha

[vivid kelp]

Another thing with AMD, typically two USB ports are controlled by CPU and rest by mobo chipset USB controllers. Having low power load on CPU USB controller is also nice, usually.

[shadow heart]

Gotcha. But is it normal for this kind of issue to occur when the CPU (probably also memory) are under temporary high loads? Like sometimes I'll load up a whole 3D model in Bambu Studio and there will be some microstuttering. Some people would just call this a "mouse stutter" but I can tell that it's actually the whole system stuttering lol

[sleek phoenix]

Yeah whole system stutter is unusual unless your ram is completely loaded

Cpu can kinda cause it but shouldn't be like noticeably bad

[cyan hamlet]

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2472908/do-not-install-recent-windows-update-wreaks-havoc-and-breaks-pcs.html

[proper anvil]

I have that update installed 4 days ago and nothing happened. I guess their OS got corrupted somehow

[cyan hamlet]

It's not a 100% failure rate but it is higher frequency and more severe than your average update issue.

[proper anvil]

sheesh

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/100896/nvidia-is-discontinuing-the-geforce-rtx-4080-and-4090-to-make-way-for-50-series/index.html

[ivory pike]

So more price hikes, got it

[plain peak]

Not the slightest bit surprised imo

[scenic torrent]

so 4090 is obsolete now?

xD

deym same feeling over and over

also that means t he price will go higher since its only few of them on the market

[proper anvil]

4090 can't run games it's 5090 time

[quiet ruin]

https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/pc-gaming/game-dev-shows-how-to-do-a-pc-port-right-outlines-106-to-314-fps-improvement-without-frame-generation

IT'S JUST THAT EASY

[jade pagoda]

It's just that easy

[proper anvil]

it's just that EASY

[ivory pike]

IT’S just that easy

[shadow heart]

it's JUST that easy

[shut osprey]

It's jUsT that EAsY

[sleek phoenix]

Arrow to the knee lake review:
https://youtu.be/XXLY8kEdR1c

[proper anvil]

linus said: "Arrow to the heart"

[sleek phoenix]

Arrow to the ground

[proper anvil]

lol

Intel really gotta reconfigure their architecture

hopefully they make it better for the next but im not so sure

[shut osprey]

Guys just one more + that's all we need

I promise

[proper anvil]

[shut osprey]

We just need on more +

[sleek phoenix]

So we've had Zen 5%

What do we call this

[proper anvil]

i thought Zen 5 was bad but somehow intel still taking bigger L's

[shut osprey]

Intel really had a chance to catch up

They fumbled

[proper anvil]

lmfao

[sleek phoenix]

Ok in defence of intel

They halved their threads

But for us, who cares

Slow

Lol

[proper anvil]

fr

[shut osprey]

And took out hyper-threading

Like wat

[proper anvil]

i cant lie its pretty brave to remove HT as a whole

[sleek phoenix]

It's not like AMD that did literally no work on consumer ipc

[shut osprey]

They could have made a replacement or something

Ultra Threading

[proper anvil]

you know its usually first gen of a new architecture i avoid

[shut osprey]

Or

Core 9 161AHD Thread

Intel Thread 69

We need it to be confusing

That's the trend

[sleek phoenix]

I need a new name

I got it

Zen 5%

And Core Ultra mid

My work is done

[shut osprey]

LMAO

[sleek phoenix]

I must go my planet needs me

https://tenor.com/view/mode-of-travel-future-fly-gif-13793656

[sleek phoenix]

https://youtu.be/9xgN46TBBGg

[cyan hamlet]

Seems like no one is impressed

[ivory pike]

Shocker

[cyan hamlet]

Oh geez I'm just getting around to watching some reviews and it's worse than I thought. Losing to the 12600K in some games is not ideal.

[cyan hamlet]

This isn't as far fetched as you might think, if they switched to PAM4 signaling they could do 4 threads per core

But it's a paaaaain

[shadow heart]

😐

[untold oak]

bottom of the chart frequently

for chart topping pricing

[shadow heart]

I can't believe that my 7900X (released two years ago) beats a flagship from 2024

[proper anvil]

that is unreal LMFAO

[sleek phoenix]

[cyan hamlet]

We were just talking about that one too, and how it's aged so well lol

Good enough to stand up to a next gen Ultra 9 🙃

[balmy flax]

Is that the new processor by intel?

[proper anvil]

yea

[sleek phoenix]

No it's nvidia

[spice cedar]

Which combo?

[sleek phoenix]

I posted that in the wrong channel lmao

[spice cedar]

I’m curious abt the combo tho

[sleek phoenix]

Gone now

[undone pawn]

holy crap holie do you gusy still debate if intel is better than amd lol

[cyan hamlet]

Only when it comes to older parts for lower budgets

New stuff is a no brainer which is best

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2536357/windows-11-bug-prevents-dell-pcs-from-shutting-down-but-theres-a-fix.html

[proper anvil]

24H2 is probably one of Microsoft's worst updates

[manic horizon]

I'm not really noticing anything

It just works somehow

Which prooooobably means my PC itself is borked lol

[proper anvil]

[cyan hamlet]

Can't wait for the 4060 to be further embarrassed by the competition.
Though I've seen very little leaks about battlemage performance that's about where I expect the B580 to be.

[ivory pike]

Anyone else feel a little something in their pants…?

[cyan hamlet]

Just my phone

[cyan hamlet]

New GN scandal just dropped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pomC1CfpC0

[ivory pike]

Wow

It’s almost like everyone saw this coming

[sleek phoenix]

Wtf

Predatory loans are less predatory!???

[sleek phoenix]

THEY MADE A NEW SKU DURING BLACK FRIDAY

THEN ADVERTISED IT AS A SALE???

AT INCREASED PRICE?

Oh boy

There HAS TO BE something in advertising law about that one

It was cheaper under a different name prior

Ok now this screams scam

This is disgusting

[cyan hamlet]

That just means they got greedy enough to get caught doing what many others do

[sleek phoenix]

They got caught alright

[cyan hamlet]

TVs in particular. They have different models (1 letter different) that claim the same specs but are super cut down on everything they can. Then they list it at the same price as the actually decent "similar" model a month before, and "discount" it for the sale.

[sleek phoenix]

I nearly got caught with this and Acer just the other day

[cyan hamlet]

Acer is one of the worst offenders. Their models can only be described as intentionally confusing.

I stopped recommending them altogether because even when you do order the right model, many times the person pulling from the warehouse isn't looking at the much smaller, actual model number, just the large print XV27U part.

[cyan hamlet]

I love the tongue in cheek humor at GN. Y axis "pain and suffering," X axis "unending torture"

[sleek phoenix]

Wow they won an award

[cyan hamlet]

I have to say, the phrase "rental mousepad" is something I never thought I would hear

[sleek phoenix]

Who would've god damn thought that nzxt beat Logitech to the rental mice punch

Wtf

[shut osprey]

Free rental bro

[manic horizon]

Just remember
You'll own nothing and you'll be happy about it.
You'll keep paying to pretend you own something.
The more you "buy", the more you get entrapped

[sleek phoenix]

I think Steve put it best

We are likely heading towards an era where no one owns a computer

However NZXT's way of doing it? Mmmmm nuh uh

No way

And the people need to respond in kind to prevent that sort of thing from happening

[shadow heart]

I'll own the item if I pirate it

[manic horizon]

I already didn't like the stuff NZXT made (I think most of it is just plain ugly)
But now I'm not buying anything NZXT out of principle ever again

Let it go the way of Rambus

[serene marsh]

Nzxt had clean looking mobos but not so great functionality wise as we found it can get extra cwispy

[fast trout]

me reading all the nzxt drama on my pc inside an h6 flow

https://tenor.com/view/icarly-icarly-interesting-interesting-gif-25655478

atleast i didnt have to rent my case 💀

[ivory pike]

Replace it

[spice cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[cyan hamlet]

8GB of shared memory is about to go hard

[shadow heart]

Good think I have 24GB

[ivory pike]

https://www.intc.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1719/intel-announces-retirement-of-ceo-pat-gelsinger

[shadow heart]

W

[cyan hamlet]

Hey they finally figured out the root cause

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl81n3ib53Y

Time for battlemage

Yoooooo

Ohp there it was

It's gone now

💀

That's actually not bad

Ohp frame gen

This is so easy to work out what the perf is wth

Well done presentation

XeLL looks awesome

Halved latency

1440p ultra

A couple outliers they didn't include

Or did I guess?

!!!!!!!!!

@cyan hamlet @agile perch

[ivory pike]

ARC SUPREMACY

[cyan hamlet]

All they needed to do is match the 4060 for a better price and they'd get the recommendation from me

Odds are those are cherry picked games for the comparison but that's looking good to me

[spice cedar]

No effing way the b580 is getting similar numbers to my 4070super with dlss quality in cyberpunk

Some game numbers look strange ngl

Like gow 2018

[proper anvil]

ill wait till benchmark reviews come in

[cyan hamlet]

Probably frame gen

[spice cedar]

Most likely or they might have changed their upscaling tech somehow cuz other game numbers like gow 2018 dont match even in raster most likely because it prolly doesn’t support xess

Wait doesn’t this mean their xess tech could potentially be better than dlss?

[cyan hamlet]

Ehhhh, it might just be rendering at a lower res

[spice cedar]

tru cuz they're presenting and it makes sense we wouldn't get to see the exact settings they used

[cyan hamlet]

No I mean xess might render at a lower resolution

[spice cedar]

ohh

[fast trout]

sparkle cards are super clean ngl

the intel reference design looks alot better than last gen too

not that im gonna upgrade any time soon its good to see more competition, especially in low range where the majority of the market is

excited to see what radeon and geforce unveil at CES

hopefully battlemage drivers are good

what is the comparable performance then? like 4060/4060ti?

[sleek phoenix]

~3070 if all goes well

Maybe a little higher

Which is actually a great price for $250

That should translate well for next gen

But we need to wait for 3rd party to validate, however the numbers seemed pretty transparent

[fast trout]

whats comparable on radeon to the 3070

6700ish? i cant remember

[sleek phoenix]

6700XT-6800/7700XT-ish

Depending who you talk to

[spice cedar]

https://gamerant.com/all-confirmed-unreal-engine-5-games/
guys… will my 4070super survive unreal engine 5 in 1440p

[fast trout]

unreal engine 5 will melt my 6950xt

[spice cedar]

Or will i have to settle for 2024 and before games

[fast trout]

higher than i thought

hopefully drivers are stable and they get a good launch, are the 2 cards they announced the only 2 for battlemage?

or will there be a higher spec card