💻┃unity-talk

[storm patio]

perhaps ask in #🖼️┃2d-tools?

[uncut ridge]

guys i created a parcour game but when i start game the player start to became Airplane

[plain lance]

will do, thanks.

oh it's fine, I dont wanna waste your time. 😅

[graceful hill]

is it scripted?

[uncut ridge]

yea i make script for it

[graceful hill]

Nice

Uk how to animate?

[slender tusk]

[elder haven]

Does Unity care much about ngons in models?

[plain dagger]

Yes, models are always triangulated so if you have quads/ngons they may not triangulate how you want

[elder haven]

What about for rigid or hard surface models?

Things that won't deform

[uncut ridge]

||Sorry but Vector Rolled...||

[mild radish]

as long as ur not deforming them.. and as long as their UVs dont end up jank theres nothing wrong with ngons per-say

i prefer to eliminate as many as possible tho

[vivid cedar]

they'll be triangulated but it shouldn't be noticeable in the end product.

[elder haven]

Yeah fairs, thanks

[plain dagger]

quads can be kept for tesselation but gpus draw triangles and thats a fact

3d software just hides this fact from you (until shading on ngons fucks up revealing this)

[mild radish]

the best Ngon is a completely flat Ngon 😉

[stuck flower]

It'll perfectly accept any Ngon as-is, as long as "N" is 3

[astral ore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ESYieNTGVo

I try something cool

Using Unity

[plain dagger]

#1180170818983051344 <- post here instead

[uncut ridge]

woow

[astral ore]

Thnaks Done

[heady gorge]

does anyone have any ideas or experience with doing a dialogue system with choices? my searches led me to inky, but I also heard its not great for localization, since its primarily designed for english?

i want to leave that path open, if i do end up deciding to add different languages, so for now i guess i have to sideline. does anyone have any experience building their own system and how i should try to build it?

[radiant pewter]

my uni professor has been recommending inky - I don't know enough about it to say for sure but I trust him lol

[heady gorge]

all paths lead back to inky 😔

[radiant pewter]

with localisation - why would it be bad for non-english languages?

languages other than english* lol

I can imagine right-to-left languages might be an issue but most should be fine

my brain is mush sorry

its this jam lol

[heady gorge]

from what i've read, its syntax is simple, but it doesnt do well with different characters in other languages

[near wigeon]

because its a good tool and someone already built the wheel, why reinvent it

[heady gorge]

im going to try to get used to it, and if it doesnt work out later on, i'll change it or something

for my current goals, it does get the job done, especially since i dont know any other languages

[near wigeon]

does unity localization not work ? maybe you could always swap out the jsons files per language , though honestly haven't touched localization with it yet

[heady gorge]

i have not tried yet

ill work my way up

[worthy trail]

How do I rotate the main camera along the horizontal axis using left and right keys?

[near wigeon]

cam.Rotate(Vector3.up * horizontal * rotationSpeed * Time.deltaTime) ? or somethin

how you obtain horizontal is up to you
Input legacy or new Input system

[worthy trail]

I think that's the issue, how do I set up the "horizontal" part to get input from my keys

[near wigeon]

again, depends if using Legacy Input class or new Input system

[worthy trail]

I'd prefer the new input system

[near wigeon]

Usually you already have the default action map, inside of that they have the Move action
you can plug that into a [SerializeField] InputActionReference moveAction

 void Update()
    {
        var horiz = moveAction.action.ReadValue<Vector2>().x;
        Debug.Log(horiz);
    }```

[worthy trail]

Thank you

[gritty path]

hello. How do I rig necklace or any other hanging object between 2 strings using unity's spring bone component? Is it possible to anchor the end bone of spring bones to other bone?

Something like this

[ripe sphinx]

I have a list in one of my scenes that is getting updated

but for the life of me i can't figure out how

[vivid cedar]

This is really vague. Want to provide more details?

[ripe sphinx]

i do but i'm trying to figure out how to do so

[vivid cedar]

code, screenshots, and an explanation of the problem

[ripe sphinx]

Right. It's just a bit convoluted and i'm not sure how to express it all. ONe moment

[ripe sphinx]

my scene has this one object, datacompanionlistener

that has a bunch of sensors as you can see in the list there

in the debug inspector window

when i navigate to a different scene, and i look in code at the state of taht musesensors list

it suddenly is missing the last object

and i don't know why

[vivid cedar]

If this is an object in a scene, it is unrelated to any other objects in any other scenes

The copy of the script in the other scene is completely unrelated

you would need to open that scene and add that object to the list there

If you don't think this characterization is correct, you would need to explain where and how you are populating this list, other than just manually in the inspector

What script is this? Did you write it yourself? Is it a component from a package?

[ripe sphinx]

So this speaks to a bit of confusion that I have with how this all works. DataCompanionListener is a object in this scene but I'm not sure what object on the scene its on. Like there isn't a MainMenuDemo class on which I have a datacompanionlistener object

All of htis is code that i'm inheriting

one other thing

[vivid cedar]

DataCompanionListener is a object in this scene but I'm not sure what object on the scene its on
What do you mean by "what object on the scene its on"?

It's right here

no?

MainMenuDemo appears to be a scene, not a class.

[ripe sphinx]

one other thread, i'll just elucidate here. When I open another scene, it looks like the datacompanionlistener instance is changed between the awake and the start callbacks

[ripe sphinx]

Right

[vivid cedar]

You're cutting out context here. What class is this?

[ripe sphinx]

this is a totally different scene that i can open from the previous one that i showed in the unity editor screenshot

that has an associated class

[vivid cedar]

What? Sorry I'm just asking what script this is

[radiant pewter]

anyone know of a simple way to play a transparent gif in unity?

[ripe sphinx]

NodeControllerBrain

is the class in the visual studio screen debug

[vivid cedar]

you're jumping around a lot. Remember I have zero context here

[ripe sphinx]

yes

sorry

[vivid cedar]

I don't know which objects which scripts are on, which objects or scripts which inspectors are from, etc..

[vivid cedar]

this screenshot sppears to be the inspector for a script called DataComponentListener

(and your inspector is in debug mode I believe?)

[ripe sphinx]

Right so everything in this screenshot is under a scene called MainMenuDemo

[ripe sphinx]

yes that's correct

datacomponentlistener is in that scene "directly" declared in the hierarchy. but in a different scene, it's declared a bit differently (illshow the unity editor screnshot one sec)

[plain dagger]

Sometimes unity serialisation bugs out. A component reset and re applying changes can help

If you use source control you can try this and see if any changes exist

[vivid cedar]

So far from everything I've seen it just looks like two different copies of the component in two different scenes with different values populated in the inspector

[plain dagger]

Hmm that is also a simple explanation

[ripe sphinx]

This confusing as all hell (I inherited this code and the prev maintainer isn't reachable)
So in this screenshot, I'm showing this scene brainmap

and it has an object settings and data

that is tied to this script caled SceneSettnigs

now (and this is the confusign bit)

scenesettings exposes a property for datacompanionlistener

[plain dagger]

You should open a thread in #1390346827005431951 for this...

[vivid cedar]

(just curious if there's a reason you have the inspector in debug mode)

[ripe sphinx]

i'll move this there!

[vivid cedar]

you can ping me in the thread if you want

[ripe sphinx]

because i wanted to see the state of all of my objects

[ripe sphinx]

appreciate it will do!

[humble hemlock]

sorry i have a very noob question. im trying to make a door with a handle and so i scaled a cube and now i am scaling and rotating a handle but whenever i rotate it the shape and collider like shits itself, ik its something to do with the parents scale but it needs to be the child. does anyone know how to stop this cause its pissing me off. thanks for any help towards a dumbass like me

[misty rover]

Heya guys Im new here just a quick question...

Im just starting with unity i have in mind 2D pixel art game ...but im not sure how big should I make my sprites? 64x64px ? Or bigger ? Im not really sure and I dont want to make a mistake of making my sprites too small or too big? And also for example when I have a some type of character and I also want a make a bear ...should the bear be bigger than the character or just the same size? Thanks in advance... I hope I'll be hearing from you soon

[vivid cedar]

These are kind of all art direction/design questions that have no "correct" answer. They depend on how you want the game to look and feel as well as the target hardware you plan to run the game on.

[humble hemlock]

well with that it depends entirely on your game vision and style but one bit of advice with pixel games is to keep the pixels the same size dont scale and stretch them or it looks off

[misty rover]

Hm okay I see

But are there any go-to dimensions?

[humble hemlock]

well if your a single dev and not an artist its better to do less pixels like 16x 16 or 32x32 or even something like 56x56 to 64x64 as its just less pixels and details needed. just remember once you choose a detail level you kinda need to stay consistant with it. and so comiting to each sprite being like 256x256 can cause making art to be impossible.

[misty rover]

There are 2 of us but im the designer one hes the programator one

[misty rover]

Okay I see thanks for the tips

But for example when there are trees I should make them naturally bigger right ? 😅

[south summit]

I WILL SET a character controller to my player

any doubts?

its ok?

cc controller plus collider square plus rigidbody

[humble hemlock]

yes it just means you have to make them bigger. but in the art not through scale

[balmy kettle]

CC is already a collider and CC + Rigidbody do not mix

[misty rover]

So when I have a lets say 32x32 character the tree should aslo be 32x32 ? Not eg 48x48?

[south summit]

ok, i will add it a square collider due to a bug thats when you are above a corner of a prop physic

sooo i remove the rigidbody?

why?

[south summit]

why you think its bad?

[deft rock]

because it doesn't work with those things together.

[humble hemlock]

well 32 x 32 is just like pixel detail. if you want a tall tree make it like 32 by 100 or something. sorry if im not explaining this well im not an artest myself. i think how pixel detail is ment to work is if like imagine you world is a grid each box has 36 by 36 pixels of detail. but that doesnt mean each sprite has to be the size 32 by 32. cause like if you cram a big tree into 32 by 32 you would have a small tree or have to scale it in editor which would cause pixel sizes to be inconsistant

[stuck flower]

Character Controller or collider and Rigidbody.

Not both.

[south summit]

look

[misty rover]

Alright thanks

Appreciate It a lot

[south summit]

If I start using the CC controller as the ultimate collision avoidance device, something bad will happen

[stuck flower]

Look at what

[south summit]

the player colliders

the box is the physical outside collision

[stuck flower]

What about them

[south summit]

I do it because a capsule is inconsistent with physics

[south summit]

it has the character and another collision more

[stuck flower]

Character Controller and Rigidbody will not work together

[south summit]

For example, if I stand on the tip of a rigidbody, the rigidbody I'm standing on will start to wobble uncontrollably

[south summit]

sooo you have no way to control his mass right?

[stuck flower]

A character controller doesn't have mass because it doesn't have physics because it can't

[south summit]

ok, soo my player isnt fully phys right?

you know why tf im doing this?

I TRIED EVERYTHING

[south summit]

i already asked help by

[stuck flower]

If you need physics on your player you don't want a character controller

[orchid ferry]

Yo

[south summit]

YEAH but help me fix this

pls

[haughty aspen]

https://youtu.be/NsSk58un8E0?si=viV56fzv8Qyc7ljs You can watch this video

[south summit]

in my case it isnt kinematic lol

[humble hemlock]

im not expert so i wont pretend to be one but im guessing you want to stop the gittering, looking at it its because your collider keeps changing its size slightly. so something about how your getting the height you need or how your setting it is making it change and vairy giving you the gitter either in your code or in the editor. so we need to find out exacly where and why. sorry if this wasnt helpful

[south summit]

I KNOW WHY

Its because I'm changing his size without any condition for example in the script part col.size.y = size

In that code part

[humble hemlock]

thats great!! so hopefully once thats changed it will work.

[vivid cedar]

Is it possible to make an existing prefab into a variant of another existing prefab without recreating it?

[inland fox]

hack the metadata and watch things go boom

[humble hemlock]

What like make a second instance of the prefab that is slightly different. Or a second prefab that is slightly different from the first

[balmy kettle]

a prefab variant is just a prefab where the root is just another prefab, right? so theoretically you could probably use PrefabUtility.ConvertToPrefabInstance on the root object that should be that prefab instance in an editor script

[stoic cypress]

is this where I ask for help with script?

[balmy kettle]

#🔎┃find-a-channel

[burnt turtle]

I may be misunderstanding the problem, but I would make an empty game object, and make both the door and it's handle children of it. Then you do the moving on the empty parent. That way scaling of the door object and the handle object don't affect each other, but they do move together

In general I do things that way. I treat the visible object as a graphics layer separate from the simulation of the object.

[humble hemlock]

Yea I normally do that but not consciously lol. Ill try that later thxxxxx

[burnt turtle]

No problem at all. Good luck!

[vivid cedar]

Do you know what prefab variants are?

[vivid cedar]

I ended up just recreating the prefab as a variant. Seems like a feature the editor should have

[humble hemlock]

no not really but i thought i would ask to clarify just encase :)

[keen jetty]

hi

[chrome shadow]

Downloading unity 6.2 hope it works

[south summit]

MMM nope it hasnt have solution

How you all made his Player fps?

AHHH I CAN USE collision enter and exit

WISH ME LUCK 🙏

[south summit]

I THINK WHATS

because it wasnt so directly on the OnUpdate

[gusty abyss]

Sorry for what I typed out. Sorry for judging you. Sorry for lying sorry. Sorry for lying sorry.

[south summit]

dw

{
    HandleInput();
    if (Input.GetKey(crouchKey) && !isCrouching) {
        HandleCrouch();
    }
    else if (!Input.GetKey(crouchKey) && !CeilingCheck() && !CheckHeavyObjectAbove())
    {
        isCrouching = false;
        canJump = true;
    }
    HandleCamera();
    if (canJump)
    {
        HandleJump();
    }
}```

if anyone could give me a better way to imrpove it im all ears

    {
        isCrouching = true;
        canJump = false;

        float targetHeight = isCrouching ? crouchHeight : normalHeight;
        Vector3 size = col.size;
        size.y = Mathf.Lerp(size.y, targetHeight, Time.deltaTime * crouchSmooth);
        col.size = size;
    }```

[dusky forum]

How do you want it improved? Sounds open ended.

[south summit]

the crouch

[dusky forum]

Event subscription

[radiant pewter]

is there a quick fix for these letters bleeding those small lines?

[dusky forum]

Are you using tmpro?

[radiant pewter]

yes

actually dont bother lol im stressing cuz game jam is almost up

i shouldnt even be worried about letter bleeding

[hushed hamlet]

Correct 😄

[chrome shadow]

downloading unity

[hushed hamlet]

6.x is still a bit of half implemented stuff. But im hoping they finally make some decisions in 7.

[shadow heron]

<@&502884371011731486> ☝️

[jade orbit]

Welp im cooked
didnt instal web build

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[south summit]

damn

[shadow heron]

What are you trying to achieve if you don't mind me asking.

[south summit]

Crouch mechanic like source engine

What option is mostly recommended to make the fps player?

With a character controller or the collider option?

The most easiest way

[chrome shadow]

unity installed

what to do now

[slow dirge]

Whatever you want. It's all in your hands.

You could even become an astronaut if you really wanted to and worked hard towards that goal.

[shadow heron]

Why source engine specifically? What's so special about their crouch mechanic.

[keen jetty]

Hi

[near wigeon]

https://nohello.net

[sleek forum]

where do i go to report rendering issues

or like i have issues but i dont know how to fix it its related to rendering and some other stuff

[inland river]

#1390346776804069396

[sleek forum]

for help?

i dont know why but i keep getting this issue can someone tell me what i need to do to make it not send this everytime i play or update a script?

[near wigeon]

can try refresh library folder

[sleek forum]

how do i do thast

[near wigeon]

delete it

open unity again

[sleek forum]

how do i delete my library

[proud lion]

Hey everyone im trying to make a vr game but still need help if yall can help me id rlly appreciate that.

[near wigeon]

like any other folder on your computer..

[fair cove]

That entirely depends on a lot of different factors, for me I personally prefer using a Rigidbody + Capsule Collider because it gives me much more control over the players physics and all of my projects required a physics-based character with custom logic

[shadow heron]

Go on unity hub right click and click on show in explorer. Click your project and the library folder should be there

[near wigeon]

!ask

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[sleek forum]

what do i do after i delete my library

[near wigeon]

open the project , open the scene & try it out

[sleek forum]

it doesnt let me delete

it says access revoked

[near wigeon]

did you close unity first 🤔

[sleek forum]

the hub?

oh now its working thx

now rerun the game?

what is this?

[south summit]

why capsule?

[sleek forum]

shapes

[near wigeon]

idk hover the error and see wat it says

[sleek forum]

security risks

is my data being stolen?

what do i do

[radiant pewter]

is there any way to still get the jammer role post jam? i got too tunnelvisioned in the project itself

[radiant pewter]

its not that bad dw

[near wigeon]

nah its just a minor thing that unity found in older versions of UnityEngine.dll on compiled games

[radiant pewter]

there is a security vulnerability on those versions for built games

[pastel dome]

Update to 6000.2.6f2 or later

[radiant pewter]

but in terms of editor itself its fine

[near wigeon]

you can always patch the binary later

[sleek forum]

oh i already deleted all my editors

[near wigeon]

if like me you have tons of projects, updating each one to a newer version again is a pain

[sleek forum]

im just gonna install 6.3

i already uninstalled all my editors

[near wigeon]

🤷‍♂️

[sleek forum]

i thought i got a virus

[pastel dome]

Make sure it's 6000.3.0b4 or later

[near wigeon]

naw lol a virus you wouldn't even know it exists most times

[near wigeon]

i wouldnt make any projects using beta versions...

not something I planned to release

full of bugs

LTS is always best bet

[fair cove]

A capsule provides smooth corners so things like going up/down slopes doesnt get stuck on the edges, jumping under surfaces like a ledge or ceiling smoothly slides across it, and cases where the player might otherwise hit a ledge due to a edge can be avoided, so it just provides a much more typical shape for most environments - ofc it does depend on the game, maybe a capsule isnt always the best shape for every game but it has been for every game I worked on

[latent lake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FrIBkuq0ZI

does anyone know how this guy is rendering the 3d models like theyre pixel art? hes not turning the animation into sprite sheet he is exporting fbx file but renders the models as pixelated somehow and i cant find a tutorial that adresses that directly

[azure grove]

good shaders, rendering to a smaller render target then upscaling that to screen

the same person has some videos about how it does it

[copper gust]

lowering to a lower internal res is a big part of it forsure

random example

[latent lake]

i mean i see there some surrounding the topic, actually all the videos i see are about pixel art but i dont see which one is about specifically about how to set it up

[copper gust]

your probably not gonna find that

the one you posted is a very refined implementation of the idea

other games do similar though, for example A Short Hike for the most part just uses a lower internal res and makes art choices to empower that look

iirc its straight up just unity terrain

(that third screenshot is without the lower internal res)

[azure grove]

i would often do the blit myself when i go from the low res render to screen res so you can control how the upscale is done

but yeah it really comes down to render small, display big and make sure your filtering does not kill the crisp edges

[copper gust]

my lazy ass just render textures

[azure grove]

if it gets you what you want its good enough

[south crane]

why am I getting this error?

[hushed hamlet]

Probably because the file size is 0 bytes.

[south crane]

when it asks me to locate build wher should i take it

like this is my first time doing this

[hushed hamlet]

I don't know what that message is from, sorry.

I havent had unity ask me to locate a web build for anything.

[south crane]

weird

this happens when i click publish to play

then I have to locate a build

whatever that means

[hushed hamlet]

Ah thats why, I dont use Unitys service platforms. My best guess is the build needs to be done first.

[azure grove]

yeah i do not use services like that

[south crane]

how do I do a build

[azure grove]

i just build from the build menu

[south crane]

I jus want to upload it on itch.io

not sure what to choose

[near wigeon]

file build

[hushed hamlet]

Yeah File > Build > Web. Depending on your unity version they added some extra steps in there.

[latent lake]

are you saying that then its likely a custom private implementation the guy made and not a common idea that ill be able to find?

[near wigeon]

make sure its the correct compression itch supports

[hushed hamlet]

But yeah itch is easier.

• build to web
• zip
• upload to itch via web site

[azure grove]

its not a complex idea, but exact setup depends on project

a good start is just rendering to a lower res and upscaling

[latent lake]

yea ive come to understood one strategy is to scale things down and then up in some way, seems like a simple idea, but still i assume it require some clean up and a video showing how its implemented would help greatly

[azure grove]

that persons implementation of it is more advanced but it still started with just rendering low and upscaling

[south crane]

it gives me two build options when i go file

[copper gust]

ues

yes

but more simple implementations of that will have stuff online

[latent lake]

but the core idea is still the same, hmmm

[hushed hamlet]

Yup. Techncial artistry is a field all to itself. Youll need to tackle it one piece at a time and learn as you go.

Its worth learning I think, but a good design that is hard to copy can take quite some time to break down (especially on your first project).

[hushed hamlet]

Also, of note, there may be something in the asset store for it already.

[azure grove]

just google "pixelated rendering unity" or something

done it on past projects but never looked up a tutorial or anything since i just figured it out

so can not recommend one

[hushed hamlet]

I think this is covered (more in depth) in the tutorials. But you probably dont want to Build and Run. So you probably want to use Build Profiles, pick the web profile, and build out from there.

[south crane]

yah i did taht but the find local build thing doesnt end with an error for them

weird

[latent lake]

did you do it through a shader?

seems like there is an easy way to do it tha way

but in my game i already have pixel art, its the 3d character that i want to apply this effect to only

[south crane]

why is my build option always darkened?

[azure grove]

hit switch profile

you active target needs to be Web, and right now its set to Windows Server

[south crane]

omg i didn't even peep that

thanks

[frozen monolith]

Quick question, I'm trying to use editor version 6000.0.62f1 on linux. It always boots in vulkan which is just a black window. In the gnome environment it boots into opengl and works just fine. I'm trying to get the editor to boot into opengl on kdeplasma but it just wont. I've tried using the launch command in the hub but that doesnt change anything even with a specified version it always boots into vulkan. I cant navigate into project settings to try and change it there since its all invisible. I dont know if this is the right place to post this I couldnt find a question channel

[frozen monolith]

so I tried launching the editor directly without the hub and it does boot into opengl but wont stay open because it needs to see the unity license

[frozen monolith]

looking in the hub logs it is actually applying my launch comman but it is just ignoring it or something

[slow dirge]

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[ivory moat]

@latent lake If you haven't got an answer, I've used the method in this discussion with Shader Graph in the past and it's worked pretty well
The one thing to note about it is that it will give you the same number of pixels in the x as in the y, so they will be stretched out in most resolutions, but I was able to fix this by doing something like passing 2d vectors instead of floats
https://discussions.unity.com/t/how-do-i-pixelate-my-shader-graph/251031

[rustic zenith]

Honestly should I upgrade from unity 2022

[sly lake]

In a running project? Probably not unless you need something.

For a new project, not really any reason not to be on the latest LTS at least

[rotund parcel]

Hello again. Just dropping an answer (at least enough of one in my eyes) to my previous question. 6000.2.11f1 is still not officially published but it looks like the link I found was legit, as the hash is the exact same on this issue report with no apparent reaction from Unity. No idea how people could get those if not from leaks, but yeah.

[inland fox]

those URL scehems used by many applications,
even when you use "Open in Unity" from the asset store website it uses these.

so maybe those guys found a hidden doc or reversed engineered smth to get extra info

that being said, they could be a place for an attack surface if the application you are using is not up to date

[rotund parcel]

This protocol may be used by many services, but if used by UnityHub, it should in theory always point to the same servers (i.e, no spoofing unless there's a backdoor in Unity's own stuff). I kinda doubted it would be a virus from the start because of that, but I had no other source to back it up until now. 12f1 also has a hash now, which makes it even weirder why they're not just pushing 11f1 (a week late at that). Not to mention they've released the next alpha and beta versions last week. Nice thing is, the memory leak is fixed. Now have to wait for that recent RaycastCommand bug to be fixed too. 🙃

[rotund parcel]

I guess. Though I don't think there was any such thing reported lately. I also tested it on the latest version of Unity Hub.

[inland fox]

I also have a scene where if I instantiate a ton of a certain object, I get a memory leak 😔👍

might need to do pooling don't feel like it yet

[rotund parcel]

Using D3D12?

[inland fox]

yeh doing million raycasts too

[rotund parcel]

If memory usage grows hundreds of megabytes every second, it's likely the memory leak I was talking about.

[inland fox]

good to know, ty. i'll try later

[rotund parcel]

https://issuetracker.unity3d.com/issues/dx12-playmode-memory-leak-and-eventual-crash-slash-freeze-on-urpsample-in-both-player-and-editor-with-graphics-jobs

[copper gust]

curious what requires that many raycasts

[sly lake]

They got it?

Damn

[rotund parcel]

Finally, yeah.

[inland fox]

my poor coding

[sly lake]

I think that’s been in LTS since the start

[rotund parcel]

Only got tracked very recently, after dealing with many duplicate reports, I guess.

[copper gust]

easy fix for that 😛

[rotund parcel]

Only since 6000.0.58f1 as far as I know.

Didn't have issues all the way to 49f1.

[inland fox]

it's just looking for the player, then aiming at the player.
but I have a player tag. because there are multiple 'players'

[copper gust]

that doesn't sound like a million

[inland fox]

there are lots of objects
that do the same operations
I was also overexaggerating

[copper gust]

depends on what a lot of objects are

[rotund parcel]

I've been working on a semi-procedural grass generation system lately, and it's likely gonna do close to that amount on the generation process (once; not every frame). 😛

[copper gust]

raycasts are pretty cheap

[rotund parcel]

In my case it's either that, or somehow writing to a buffer from a geometry/compute shader.

[inland fox]

the objects are also recently implemented active-ragdolls, so might NOT be fixed with this update

[sly lake]

Doing a few hundred raycasts a frame should be fine

Any game with IK does at least two per character

[inland fox]

I think it is better to do pooling, for them.

[copper gust]

better is a strong word

at the level you seem to be describing it sounds like crumbs compared to anything of concern

[inland fox]

i'm not sure what you do mean.
but I'll most likely do pooling for my active-ragdolls instead of recreating them multiple times.
but I'll check on that later.

[rotund parcel]

Make sure to reset all the important states when you reuse objects from the pool.

That'd save a few troubles.

[inland fox]

ty, haha we'll see 🥶

[inland fox]

wow thanks, this has worked.
it fixed the memory leak!
❤️

it used to take 30+ GB of ram and paging to the nvme.

also when I was playing Rocket league yesterday the input lag was unbearable. I had to restart my pc to get out the unity gue from my system

[rotund parcel]

Yeah. My page file never worked, so it was straight up crashing the editor and build on my end.

I've also been monitoring OS events and network traffic "just in case", and I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary at least when using the thing. Mostly just normal events and good ol' Microsoft and Google doing their usual chatting.

[inland fox]

I added a ddr5 48x2 to my amazon cart.

but better

didn't go with it

[plain dagger]

ram prices are real bad rn

[woeful spear]

What' this plus icon?

[tawdry nebula]

what resolution does my game icon need to be when making exe

[fair cove]

Most software is usually a square, in powers of base 10, typical is 32x32, 64x64, 128x128, etc - Unity should also show you a preview of similar base values with whatever icon you do choose

[tawdry nebula]

i been trying for the past hour

im at 2048 pixels rn

its still showing up as small

[fair cove]

What do you mean by "small"?

[tawdry nebula]

this is 2048

[fair cove]

Do you have any extra spacing in your actual image? Or have you cropped it in a photo editing software?

[tawdry nebula]

no its unitydoing that

not me

[fair cove]

If you use a different cropped image or one of the default sprite images, does it do the same thing?

[tawdry nebula]

oh

it didnt like .asprite files

png is just fine

thanks

[supple heron]

It means the object has been added to the prefab - so it's like marker that it's modification to the prefab.

There is also a version with "-" for removed objects

[supple heron]

Yep, like @fair cove says, it looks like it has a lot of white space around it.

[woeful spear]

I'm not sure I understand it. I'm using the already made prefabs. And when I drag it into Hierarchy, there's no plus icon, until it move it to "People" gameobject.

There's no plus icon if it's outside:

[inland fox]

"ArchtecturalRendering" is the prefab being updated here.

[plain dagger]

Its telling you this is a new gameobject not in the prefab instance

If you apply the instance changes the icon should go away (if you want to do this)

[woeful spear]

Ah. That is also a prefab. Also MaleOrigami and FemaleOrigami are also prefabs right?

It seems like only the object with blue icons are prefabs (all 3 faces blue).

[plain dagger]

This icon is for a model asset

[woeful spear]

Yeah just read about it

[plain dagger]

if you unpack compleatly it will go away (context menu)

[woeful spear]

Unpack means make it "local"? Like it was created in unity and not imported.

[plain dagger]

No, it unlinks this gameobject from the prefab/model asset

[woeful spear]

Oh ok

[plain dagger]

Meaning its no longer an instance that inherits changes from the prefab/asset

[woeful spear]

After unpacking, the + icon is still there but icon is now complete grey.

[plain dagger]

Check my message above. Its to indicate that its a new gameobject in the prefab instance its a child of, which is that "ArchitectureRendering..." thing

We can therefore know that the gameobject "FemaleOrigami2" is not in the prefab yet

[woeful spear]

That I understand so far. So now how to make it part of Arch prefab?

Not sure how to "apply" it

[plain dagger]

select the ArchitecturalRendering... gameobject, in the inspector you can click the "Overrides" button and see the changes to this instance.
You can select and apply some changes or all of them to the asset.

[woeful spear]

Got it, thanks.

[supple heron]

Sorry! I was away, I see others already replied with the correct answers! :)

[undone monolith]

hey guys what does this error mean?

i can just ignore it right?

[supple heron]

Try to save the scene, close the editor and open it again and see if that fixed it. The error usually is important but because it comes from "UnityGraphs" it may just be Unity having some problems.

If it doesn't solve the issue it means there is a problem somewhere in one of the editor scripts. Can you scroll down the bottom panel to show the rest of the error stack trace? (The part at the very bottom of the console)

[undone monolith]

oh yeah i don't have that error

best to just ignore that right?

[supple heron]

Before you ignore can you send a screenshot of the error when you scrolled down here:

[undone monolith]

well i don't have the error now so i can't show you even tho I wanted to

[supple heron]

It may be important, most of the time null pointer exceptions break your game badly. There are rare ocassions where nothing happens or they just break editor script.

But if it disappeared then great! :) Maybe it was just unity getting tired haha

[undone monolith]

what does the error mean?

[supple heron]

You have a variable somewhere and you try to access it but nothing is there.

So for example you have Car myCar variable, which stores info about car.
Let's say the car has some properties like 'color' or 'brand'.

If you have something stored in the variable then all good:

Car myCar = new Car("White", "BMW");
Debug.Log(myCar.color);

However if you do not assign anything there and try to access it, there will be null reference exception:

Car myCar; // No assignment
Debug.Log(myCar.color); // Error

I hope that helps :)

[undone monolith]

shall i send you my scripts in #💻┃code-beginner just to double check

it's always best to get a fresh set of eyes for my code

[hexed path]

is anyone having any luck running Unity's editor or software like 3DSM in a cloud host?

[keen swan]

any1?

[supple heron]

Maybe the scene wasn't saved? How did you share the files, over git repository? A scene is a separate file and I believe it may not store data until it is actually saved

[hollow quiver]

any slop/stairs tutorial recommendations?

[vivid cedar]

Slop/stairs?

[supple heron]

If it is for 3d, I have a tutorial with full FPS movement that handles slopes, is that what you are looking for?

Something like that: https://youtu.be/ZjNmndbbT44

[hollow quiver]

yes 3d thankssss

[hollow quiver]

slop walking up/down, and sliding in some cases

stairs are atairs

[vivid cedar]

You mean slope??

[hollow quiver]

yes wooops

[vivid cedar]

What specific issue are you having with slopes?

[lapis gate]

stairs are hard

just slope the stairs

[hollow quiver]

I don't have any yet, I'm looking for recommended tutorials, cause sometimes some tutorials are not good/bad method

(trying to avoid picking up bad habits)

[lapis gate]

Moving up slopes isn't too hard to think about. You can figure out the normal you're standing on and applying a force relative to that via dot product or one of the hundreds of unity methods available to you

The bigger problem is moving down the slope which Unity's controllers don't even do correctly

[hollow quiver]

I'm doing physics based movement

[lapis gate]

But the slope issue can also be interpreted as a preference. You'd imagine you'd also apply the force relative to the normal, but Unity's controllers will always apply that forward force so you kinda skip off the slopes with enough speed and low enough gravity

[hollow quiver]

ah I see, I was afraid some methods are janky (still new to this stuff)

[lapis gate]

I mean think about it. If you're looking straight ahead and walk forward do you want to align to the slope or do you extend your leg into the air and hope for the best

[hollow quiver]

yeeee lol

for now walk on air, IK foot when I can improve

[deft rock]

it's an error with the Unity graph editor, it's not your code, you can ignore it

[dawn flax]

Why there is no standalone profiler without running the Unity editor? It's especially frustrating when you try SteamVR that already takes a lot of VRAM, and the editor on it's own take a lot of VRAM

[glass kraken]

hi, I'm trying to add a post process volume to my MainCamera, I made a post process volume component holder gameobject and just added it a "PostFx" layer that I added in the camera's post process layer component and it doesn't display the effect

[plain dagger]

If this is URP/HDRP you just need a volume marked as global. you dont add anything to the camera

[glass kraken]

yes this is URP and yee that's what I thought, what's the difference between using a post process volume component and a simple volume component?

by the way, I also tried to make my desired effect with the global volume that was already in the scene and it didn't work neither, the problem probably comes from the weird setup that an asset I had imported overrided

[plain dagger]

There should just be one type: https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.universal@16.0/manual/Volumes.html

The old post processing stack should not be used

[glass kraken]

oh okayy

[grave fog]

there used to be Samples for controlling Animation Speed?
where was it moved over the updates?

[glass kraken]

do u also know why my volume doesn't work?

I can show you a record if you want

[plain dagger]

delete it and remake it following the documentation linked above

[plain dagger]

I think its still accessable by the ... dot menu on the right

[grave fog]

found it, in the triple dots Show Sample Rate 🤝
random blank space for no reason... could have been enabled by default

[plain dagger]

probably something to stop beginners fucking it up

[glass kraken]

just did, and it still doesn't work, I think the problem either comes from the graphics settings, or a setting in the camera component, do you know what that might be?

if you want a proof that it doesn't work, I can show you

[keen jetty]

Hey developer

[undone marlin]

Hi, I wanted to ask, do everyone has a little bit of ghosting while testing a game in an editor, because I tried making basic 2.5d game, and in editor 2d objects rotating toward camera look terrible because of ghosting, but when i recorded it in OBS, and on video it looks normal and good. I don't know is it issue in my script or unity.

[proud lion]

Hey does anyone wanna help me make my game idk how to do some stuff so if you can help id rlly appreciate it! Dm me or reply if you can

[stuck flower]

!collab

[vagrant root]

:loudspeaker: Collaborating and Job Posting

We do not accept job or collab posts on Discord.
Please, use Discussions to promote yourself as job-seeking, advertise commercial job offers, or look for non-commercial projects to participate in:
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[proud lion]

Huh?

[icy citrus]

i think your more looking for a basic tutorial about game development then a personal tutor...

[proud lion]

Tutorials don't help me.... when i have a "tutor" it works way better

[stuck flower]

Then go to the collab forum I linked and hire one

[icy citrus]

are you paying your tutors?

[proud lion]

No.....

I don't have money...

[icy citrus]

then you are usually out of luck and need to read documentation anyway

[proud lion]

Ok

[stuck flower]

Then you're probably not going to find anyone who is willing to dedicate to personalized one on one tutoring

[proud lion]

Ok

[icy citrus]

so once again, i can recommend some good tutorials if you like, but im not gonna dedicate free time to helping just you

[proud lion]

Ok........

[icy citrus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCBqgREiSUE&list=PLlUJMECNtufixU1BXsISabZ8laKbetq6z&index=12
this one got me into game dev, hope you like it

[proud lion]

Thanks!

[south summit]

Guys character controller has his own rigidbody

[stuck flower]

I don't think you know what those words mean

[south summit]

What?

Like how the character controller could have physics on world?

And interaction?

[stuck flower]

CharacterController and Rigidbody are mutually exclusive. You can't have both on the same object if you want them to both function

[south summit]

Yeah but how can I do the cc controller interact like a rigidbody with the props for example?

[stuck flower]

you don't. If you want physics, use a Rigidbody.

[scenic minnow]

Hello, I'm trying to make the game in the picture in 3D, but I can't figure out how to make the window where the blocks are placed. I want to carve squares into the upper part. How can I do that?

[south summit]

Oh no

Soo why character controller plus rigidbody isn't a good option?

[stuck flower]

I believe I've said this already multiple times

[stuck flower]

Neither one will be able to detect movement from the other and both have strong opinions about where the character is supposed to be. You'll find that at seemingly arbitrary times your movement simply will not work, and it's because one of them is overwriting the other

[south summit]

Ah ok sir

[near wigeon]

You can if you mean pushing them but it's to be done with OnControllerColliderHit , I believe the docs has an example of this
https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.2/Documentation/ScriptReference/MonoBehaviour.OnControllerColliderHit.html

[stone thorn]

you guys i have a problem and genuinely need advice

does anyone else use chatgpt for like, helping solve bugs? T^T

i know everyone fucking hates AI and i do too, but learning from google is so inneficient

[stuck flower]

If I need something to confidently add bugs to my code while telling me it's correct, I'll let the Interns at it.

[stone thorn]

lmao thats fair

i dont ask it to rewrite the code tho, i just ask it why something might be happening and then try and test out different shit

but i feel pretty shitty because its becoming more of like a dark sin

i need to know what other resources to use

because i hate coming here and just bugging people in the code channels with my problems

[south summit]

👍 🙏

[copper gust]

google is pretty good

[stone thorn]

fr? ive always been told its unreliable

and it also takes forever, but im not below crawling thru a problem, aslong as im learning it right

[copper gust]

personally i don't think it takes forever but i guess it depends

[stone thorn]

well, no but sometimes people offer solutions that kind of suck

honestly i would have loved to majored in software engineering right now

but its just, oversaturated at my college

[copper gust]

unavoidable when it comes to learning anything in life really

[stone thorn]

thats true

[deft rock]

and "AI" is trained on that same stuff, and will only give you one answer.

A devs #1 skill is their google-fu. Being good at searching google, and being able to shift through the results is an essential skill

[stone thorn]

thats fair. thank you for this perspective. i know ive become a bit sloppy

i only make small games, but whats the purpos of making small games if you arent learning aswell

i might buy a few of the books they have online, i used to learn alot from those in the past

[lapis gate]

I'd play devil's advocate and say that AI has been the better source of a search engine than google as of recent

not perfect but google has been garbage for a while as people have been aware how to game it for years now

let the AI surf the garbage and check the references it gives you

[stone thorn]

ive been really confused and conflicted lately

i know alot of people use it to some degree

[south summit]

THANKS GOD I SOLVED

[south summit]

you too ❤️

[stone thorn]

whether it be to parse thru documents, as a search engine to find the documents page, or jsut to give suggestions

i know some people that are genuinely great at coding, and will have it do smaller scripts just to get them out the way

and similarly, alot of people are fearful that ai will 100% make people lose jobs

and theres nothing wrong with that fear

its just a very nuanced topic

[lapis gate]

it's good at generating boilerplate that's for sure, but you're never going to get exactly what you want from prompts.

there's really no difference than what devs been doing for years and it's grabbing templated code

all that's changed is this templated code now has some extra sparkles spewed onto it and full of bugs

[stone thorn]

i suppose i see that. before chatgpt, i use to jsut keep a bunch of common things i needed to do in my snippets

its not like i wrote everything out by hand either

[stone thorn]

and thats 100% true

chatgpt is so weird. sometimes it gives good suggestions when my brain is just going the complete wrong direction with a problem for some reason

[copper gust]

that's the problem 😛

[stone thorn]

studios have been using boiler plate for years

you dont need to type something out by hand, to understand what it does, and when to use it

[copper gust]

it helps immensely

[pulsar dome]

Hey guys! 😊
Please check out my game and leave a review if you like it. Thanks a lot! 🎮💖
.itch.io/the-last-room

[stone thorn]

it becomes an issue of syntax. if i store an easy camera raycast in my copy and paste, its not that im copy and pasting an entire script

im just making it so i dont have to type the whole thing out

[icy citrus]

dont cross post. also its not the right channel for that here i think

[copper gust]

yeah and im saying that's the problem 😛

im aware of what you are doing

[stone thorn]

alright, how is that a problem

[copper gust]

writing out the code helps you learn

not just what specifically is in that code

[stone thorn]

if it type out the word fox, 50 times, does that help me understand the definition of what the word fox means

[icy citrus]

It also improves your muscle memory of that specific way of writing the code

[copper gust]

no but it helps you type out the word fox

[stone thorn]

then it comes down to just a typing game

[copper gust]

no

it's about the "act" of it in general

[stone thorn]

i suppose, theres some truth to what you say, it helps hammer in the way its formatted, and what parts go where for what reason

[copper gust]

your brain processes it

[lapis gate]

the way I see it is if you're working with people and there becomes an issue with this generated code, you better have an understanding of it for when they come to your desk and ask you about said problem

[icy citrus]

its also a little too easy to copy paste a block of code and forgetting to fully understand it, that is way less likely if your writing it out.

[stone thorn]

yea. theres no use in learning something new, if you only actually understand it once

[gray dirge]

3d modelling. I'm sure you can do that in ProBuilder but you can also just use any real modelling software like Blender. There's no such thing as carving things in unity, unity isn't a modelling software (apart from ProBuilder). You could make the shape out of multiple boxes too but at that point I would just properly model it (for better texturing too)

[stone thorn]

but still, shouldnt a developer do thier best to speed up thier workflow? even just 5 years ago it wasnt uncommon for a developer to reuse scripts from thier previous projects. some of game development isnt entirely about how well you can program

toby fox, used game maker for undertale

[icy citrus]

well to counter that, if you learn something and then stop typing it out forever you esentially wont reinforce that knowledge and then the rule applies: if you dont use it, you lose it.

thats what happened to me when i used codepilot for 8 months

[stone thorn]

sorry that may have came across wrong, what i meant was that if you only learn something once, and jsut copy and paste it from there forward, it can be negative

[worldly quest]

For some reason my Shadows just disappeared at some point, only now did i notice since i wanted to ship a wip build to my website.

I checked the Lightsource, the URP Assset and i rebaked my lights, nothing.

Anyone has a clue, on URP (Unity 6) with WebGL as a Build Setting.

[stone thorn]

i may have worded it wrong i apologize

[icy citrus]

this argument is invalid... game maker is not inherently worse or harder to use instead of something else

[stone thorn]

its easier, in my opinion

[icy citrus]

thats opinion

still doesnt make the argument valid

[stone thorn]

i can respect that

[lapis gate]

did ya check the rendering pipeline asset you got shadows on

[stone thorn]

share why you think it isnt easier then

[icy citrus]

thats okey you dont have to

[worldly quest]

yup

[icy citrus]

its not about what i think... its about a human using a tool that does a thing, doesnt matter what that tool is it matters how they use the tool and what the result is of their efforts. by that end, game engine is completely irrelevant

[stone thorn]

sorry im not tryna come across as an asshole, english isnt my first language i feel like im being blunt

[worldly quest]

afaik everything shadow related is on, yet unity refuses to show any

[lapis gate]

Hmm I could think of a bunch of things like maybe Directional Light is set to baked only and stuff like that

[icy citrus]

ur not dont worry, im dutch and very direct so i actually like it if your more to the point. and we dont have to agree with eachother all the time either, but discussions are still worth to be had

[lapis gate]

I'd ask in #1390346776804069396

[stone thorn]

in programming alone. thats what this discussion is about. Im just saying, toby fox was not a great programmer by any means, but his game was successful. very succesful

[worldly quest]

and if you ( @icy citrus @stone thorn ) both could stop arguing, this is not a general channel, keep the channel info at the top in mind, otherwise i will get someone to stop you

[stone thorn]

this isnt a general channel?

[icy citrus]

we are not argueing...

[worldly quest]

sure, i feel pretty overwhelmed with this, this has never happened

[icy citrus]

but where do you suggest we take this if not here?

[stone thorn]

i thought it was about discussing different uses of programming tools for unity development

[icy citrus]

yeah i thought the same

[worldly quest]

this escalated to gamemaker n stuff, not related to unity anymore

[stone thorn]

thats fair. where is a general chat?

[worldly quest]

doesnt exist

[icy citrus]

no it didnt, we are still on discussion of definitions of method of programming

[stone thorn]

💀

[worldly quest]

this is only for unity, no general chatting on this server

hate to be that person, but better then a mod bonking you :3

[stone thorn]

'dont speak about this because i say so!!!'

[icy citrus]

also, i could argue that talking about gamemaker as apposed to unity is on topic

at its core, we are talking about game decelopment

[viral hill]

yall can talk about this here. just ignore them and preferably make a thread so no one else bugs you

[stone thorn]

lol okay

[icy citrus]

i was about to do that actually

[worldly quest]

sigh @charred fog heya, long time no talk, once again the usual

tho the thread seems like a good middleground, but yeah i can already smell where this goes

[icy citrus]

we literally just esteblished our level of politenes to eachother to avoid any escelation: #💻┃unity-talk message

so what are you smelling?

discussion are there to be had and can be learned from, and when you get very passionate about them against someone that is also passionate about their point, it can turn into a beautiful exchange of knowledge and its honestly a lot of fun when done right.

[south summit]

GUYS question how can i do my jump delay of the IsGrounded less delayed?

[icy citrus]

i dont understand your question, what do you mean with "delay"

[vivid cedar]

Are you doing this in FixedUpdate?

You cannot do Input.GetButtonDown in FixedUpdate

Input handling goes in Update
Physics goes in FixedUpdate

[charred fog]

All channels are primarily Unity help/learning channels. If you are starting a general discussion about programming the very least you can do is to create a thread to not interfere with the channel. (See #📖┃code-of-conduct )

[south summit]

ahh thanks MY BEST FREINDS

[scenic minnow]

thanks

[south summit]

meh the same it isnt so instant

i want a balance at this, not too short and not too large

[vivid cedar]

You didn't change anything

this is still being run in FixedUpdate

You also don't want to be moving a CharacterController in FixedUpdate really or it will look jittery

[icy citrus]

You likely will need to make a new top level variable to then save the state of the input in and set that bool in the Update method.

[south summit]

ahhh Ah, I misunderstood. Actually, I was using it in the Update, not the fix

it worked the same

[vivid cedar]

you need to explain what you mean by a delay

btw calling Move twice in a one frame is also not correct

[icy citrus]

holdon, isnt CharacterController.Move() altering physics?
cuz i thought that anything that alters physics goes in fixed update

[glass kraken]

hi,hi, I have an issue with my volumes in unity 6, my Global Volumes don't work, I think the problem either comes from the graphics settings or some settings in the Camera's Camera component even if I doubt it, do you know what might cause it/ what's the issue? Thank you !

[vivid cedar]

CharacterController is not a real physics thing

it's intended to run in Update

and it doesn't have interpolation

so it would be jittery in Fixed

[icy citrus]

dang then i done some wrong stuff in a lot of projects

[vivid cedar]

Rigidbody physics goes in FixedUpdate

[icy citrus]

how would i identify if something is physics or not?

i been struggling with that lately anyway

[stone thorn]

check if it has a rigidbody

[vivid cedar]

Anything dealing with Rigidbodies or Colliders.

But technically CC is a collider, it's just a thing that kind of lives half in and half out of the physics engine

If you need something that works physically consistently at all framerates, you need to be using FixedUpdate or equivalent

[stone thorn]

not to be that guy

but what is character controller

[stuck flower]

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/CharacterController.html

[icy citrus]

its a unity build in component that handles basic character movement

[stone thorn]

ohhhhhhh. gotcha. it doesnt use a rigidbody tho

i always use rigidbody based movement

they are alot goofier

[icy citrus]

rigidbody movement is fine for a physics player like a ball, but for like a platformer, you usually want the character to reverse its direction super fast, which works better out of the box with a character controller

at least, thats what i learned from it

also i get super confuesd by rigedbodies lately anyway and am starting to avoid them more

[vivid cedar]

there is no limitation on how quickly you can reverse the direction of a Rigidbody

[mild radish]

you can actually micromanage forces on a rigidbody just as simple as a CC

[viral hill]

you can just kill all angular momentum manually if you want

[icy citrus]

this is true, but usually people make a character controlled with rb.AddForce() and that specifically out of the box is not great for that feel

[glass kraken]

@mild radish hiii, could you help me with this,I've been on this the whole day

please

[mild radish]

well whas the issue?

ur post processing volume not workin?

[glass kraken]

yes

[vivid cedar]

People want their character controller code to be like 5 lines, but the real world doesn't work that way

[glass kraken]

I've tried multiple times, even the original Global Volume doesn't work

[glass kraken]

I think the problem comes from a setting in the project settings such as in graphics, an asset I'm using overrided multiple settings, and there are some weird setups

[icy citrus]

yeah it sure doesnt, i just wrote my own character controller and its so much nicer as its not bloated with anything i dont use and i understand exactly what it does.

[mild radish]

create a new scene w/ the post processing included

it should work out of the box

[glass kraken]

tyyy so much, I forgot to enable the post processing in rendering of the Camera component,I'm so sorry to have disturbed you for this dumb mistake

I'm sorry

[mild radish]

all good 👍

[mild radish]

input -> movement * speed -> boom ezpz cc
(add extra lines until desired outcome) 🤪

[proud lion]

Hey can anyone tell me how to add a vr character in my game

[mild radish]

#🥽┃virtual-reality

someone in here might could

[icy citrus]

yeah basically

[fiery lotus]

@keen jetty Is a scammer everyone!

[trim mason]

Has anyone else had no replies to Unity tickets for 3 weeks? Is there any way to actually talk to a support human at Unity?

[mild radish]

why you telling us? tell the mods

[fiery lotus]

For discloser

[trim mason]

Where is Unity support please?

[mild radish]

i hear that if you have pro-license you get more immediate support

for us plebs its just tickets

[trim mason]

so nobody from unity is here

[mild radish]

theres no actual staff that provides support here no

its a community server..

[trim mason]

Who made it official?

[balmy kettle]

!support

[vagrant root]

🙋‍♂️ Where can I get help?

Take a look at #🔎┃find-a-channel
You can also access Discussions for questions!

:warning: This is not a channel for official support.

Please do not ping admins, moderators, or staff with Unity issues.

Access our Help Center for Unity Support.

[copper gust]

People who aren’t involved in tickets

[balmy kettle]

it's the official community. not an official support channel

[trim mason]

this is not a helopful one

[icy citrus]

noone here gets paid, so tickets are way above our pay grade...

[balmy kettle]

in what way

[icy citrus]

omg ur funny

[craggy jolt]

Hi! I'm a beginner with Reflection Probes, and I'm not sure how to stop metallic surfaces in my interior from reflecting the sky (HDRP).
The probe fixed the reflections on the floor and walls (they were showing the sky color before), but the metallic surfaces are still having that problem... 😅

(It's day time on this screenshot outside the building)

[mild radish]

idk, just from search just me.. i've been thanked 990 times..

and thats just me.. i'd say its a pretty helpful channel

[icy citrus]

huge flex

[icy citrus]

hey thanks!
now ur wrong, get owned, its 901

[mild radish]

anyways, saying the server isn't helpful is pretty niave

[trim mason]

the link he sent says to ask questions hereI see this is not really an official channel, it's a bunch of people who say it is

[mild radish]

yes these channels are help channels..

[icy citrus]

and now ur wasting your time in a channel that you claimed is unhelpfull... so what do you want us to do?

[mild radish]

just not official unity support..

we can't help you with engine bugs and specific engine troubles

[balmy kettle]

the bot embed specifically says this is not somewhere you can get official support. but you can ask questions to get help from the community. but again, that is not official support and nobody here can help you with a ticket you submitted

[icy citrus]

also, insulteng the people that might help you is a bad start to actually getting helped...

[trim mason]

Does anyone here use levelplay?

I cannot see what I type into discord

[balmy kettle]

Don't Ask To Ask

[mild radish]

we can

[icy citrus]

CTRL+R

[trim mason]

I f I don't get in too much trouble for asking the wrong quewstion, does anyone here use levelplay or ironsource with any success? Or has anyone got an account approval delay for an excesive time?

[mild radish]

i doubt you'll find anyone specifically.. but u can look thru the search..

[trim mason]

It restarted but issue persists, this is not my question though , I am tryuing to find out what happens if you try to contact unity, has anyone ever had a ticket response?

[thorn minnow]

Does someone in here use Zorin OS 18 Pro and can help me to debug the Unity Hub for it?
I tried to install Unity Hub as flatpak, appImage with Terminal. But I can't either Sign In at all, or the installed Hub can't create new Projects or convert/import existing projects i made in Windows pre Linux switch.

[mild radish]

well who is the lead of the project?

[balmy kettle]

yes. people have had their tickets responded to from unity. beyond that nobody can really provide any helpful information about your ticket.

[mild radish]

Person B has a pretty standard outlook (its true you should work on things in isolation)

however.. saying you absolutely can't move on until something is finished is debateable imo

[trim mason]

Not my question

[mild radish]

work in a local project and then package up and move ur changes over to the real one 😉

[trim mason]

Has anyone had an actual response from unity in the last 3 weeks?

[mild radish]

that way ur not technically working on the main package 😈

[mild radish]

waiting on an asset approval.. its not been 3 weeks.. but it do take some time sometimes

[balmy kettle]

stop moving the goalposts. and again, nobody can really provide any information that will help you figure out when you might get a response to your ticket because

[icy citrus]

Its pretty hard for us to validate anything if we dont know the project and its base structure, this system could work if the specific game is a certain way and we also dont know why this system gets sugested... but objectively speaking, that system seems like one that could only work for games that have an entirely new concept to them in each indevidual scene as it would be hard to be concistent between scenes if you all get your own assigned.
also, if the deadline is near and this system is already in place, im afraid that it is better to go with it until you have more time.

[balmy kettle]

simply asking if anyone has had a recent response provides no useful information and just serves to clutter the channel

[trim mason]

but that is my question

ffs

qusetion police college here

DOES the ticket system work at all

is my question basically

[balmy kettle]

what a stupid question

[trim mason]

since no response in 3 weeks to any of 5 tickets

you are a stupid question

[mild radish]

why u submitting 5 tickets at once?!

[icy citrus]

@trim mason In as much of a respectful way as this can be: ur not vary good at asking for help or describing questions...

[trim mason]

It wasn't at once

[mild radish]

but within 3 weeks?

[trim mason]

I know that but you don't have to be a dick about ity

Yes, if you have an urgent request, and nothing comes back for a week, send another\

[balmy kettle]

we have explained multiple times that nobody here can provide any information whatsoever about your ticket because we simply do not have that information

[icy citrus]

i really thought i cover my bases to not be a dick, but ill take it, as you seem to be one too 🙂

[trim mason]

I didnt ask that

damn

[trim mason]

this guy is the dick

[icy citrus]

my point still stands

[trim mason]

I didnt ask that

damn

[icy citrus]

also that guy is one of the most helpfull guys in this server

so ur also just wrong...

[trim mason]

reading comprehension skillpoints required

[balmy kettle]

except that is what you are asking. you're just trying to be clever and dance around that as if we're too stupid to see that is why you are asking stupid questions like "has anyone had a response" or "does the ticketing even work"
like of course the answer to both of those is yes.

[trim mason]

Sigh

[languid cedar]

I feel like I just walked into a highschool lunch room in here

[trim mason]

internet warrior well done

sigh

[icy citrus]

omg right?!

im honestly loving the drama though, its pretty entertaining

[trim mason]

yes you are a bystander

Ask a qusetion wrongly, get attacked by cool people who can prove they are helpful

[icy citrus]

we dont have to be helpfull, we are not paid

also we are just vibin in here

[trim mason]

oh I didnt know that sorry

[mild radish]

ur only having a back-and-forth w/ (1) user.. out of 27,000

[balmy kettle]

what part of "community server" made that unclear?

[trim mason]

probably not your best foot forward tbh

/sarcasm

I think I will go now

good luck finishing your games everyone!

[mild radish]

https://discussions.unity.com/t/what-is-the-unity-support-answer-time/743231/6
here's the "it depends" part

[trim mason]

yuss helpful!

That is a good answer

make that guy your main talker instead of ctn and breadface

[rocky arrow]

Okay so,
Yes you're not insane in somewhat sense. I can't tell the details, but if you're worried about the deadline, your best bet is to get a third party involved whose opinion you would both listen to, or just sit with person B and try to explain to them and figure it out together.

[mild radish]

oof, that sucks... tbh thats weird.. b/c ur art assets and stuff should be completely seperate from the game mechanics and logic

changing that stuff shouldn't affect anything... (other than being out of place.. and wasting time) lol

sit down and talk to this person..

tell them exactly what ur telling us.. dont be a sheep 🐑

[icy citrus]

it sounds like you should be less afraid of being a dick and set your bounderies in the project, if you know how things are done and people that are not within that job specification keep argueing with it, it should not be up to them at the end of the day... take your role and just go ahead with what you think is best in your job specification, but if its outside your specification you may just want to do the opposite and drop it after one back and forth so that they can receive their own consequences of their actions.

[mild radish]

unless they're paying ur paycheck.. and then be a little bit of a sheep 🫠

[rocky arrow]

If you're new to working profressinallly with people, this is a skill you're bound to have to pick up anyway 🤷‍♂️

[trim mason]

you would think that if a dev has 100k MAU and wants to implement some ads with levelplay, Unity would respond or perhaps approve their account. This is the reason for my surprise at the lack of response over 3 weeks. I thought Unity paid like $4B for IronSource a couple of years ago? Is this not their main profit generator? Why neglect it? I don't understand.

[mild radish]

who knows why Unity does half the things it does

i'm just sitting shotgun.

[icy citrus]

i literally joined this server 3 days ago... i am not even close to main anything... i also dont know how you thought that...

[mild radish]

yea, i've never even seen this guy ^ lol..
it basically comes down to who is available..
who feels like helping..
and whether they know how to help..

support tickets are usually a no-go..
we'll actually recommend submitting a ticket when people come for help w/ the engine and we can't figure it out..

[icy citrus]

yeah eactly, i participated in the gamejam and finished yesterday and i feel like helping others where i can today for some weird reason, so i hang around and see if i know an answer somewhere while also making my game at the same time

[mild radish]

its usually a last-resort type of situation

[mild radish]

not a bad way to learn as well.
just sitting around and exposing yourself to the normal day-to-day issues that people have..

good luck w/ the jam 🍀

[icy citrus]

yeah, idk the exact qouote, but its something along the lines of "you can prove the level of knowledge you have at a craft by your ability to teach the craft to others"

and i strongly preactice that a lot as i also be like "wait thats a good questions" and then google it to find the answer for both of us

[mild radish]

was my first experience with a team game-jam..
i've only ever worked solo since 🫠

[mild radish]

"those who can't do, teach" .. lol but just kidden ofc..
it is actually a good way to learn.. and heres the main reason..
if you go and try to help.. be sure of 1 thing..
if you give the wrong advice.. or make a mistake you better believe you'll be called out for it..

but then you can take in that new information and level up ☝️ lol

[icy citrus]

oh hell yeah, thats initially how i learned programming, being called out for stupid shit

[mild radish]

working in a local project looking better and better 😉

[icy citrus]

and it still hurts when it happens, but if it does, it has a reason and agree with it completely

[mild radish]

do what ur told by ur lead.. and then after that put in a few hours OT doing ur own thing 😄

[icy citrus]

also, document everything that you are being told to do and you think is a bad idea, so that you have proof it was not your idea and can proof it to be someone elses desicion.

this saved my ass once

[mild radish]

this should be a given..

use Trello or Obsidian.. or any type of document / card system

document everything along the way

[icy citrus]

yeah but its not enough common knowledge yet so worth to mention.

if you use github for source control, Projects are basically free trello

[mild radish]

github uses markdown you can use for documentation

just a simple example.. but i always include a Readme with most my repos

[icy citrus]

i like making seperate issues for sections of these sometimes instead of scrolling through all of it every time.
but good markdown formatting tho

[mild radish]

somethings a bit nicer tho to use trello.. (like a scheduler)

[brave ridge]

Projects is good but i dont think you'd specifically be using that if you wanted to just document bad work habits that you're being told to do. Like as a dev if you're being told to suddenly work on hair, maybe just take a screenshot of the chat and keep it in a folder. That's not really something you write as a comment on a ticket

[mild radish]

moving around cards from "in progress to finished" etc

can't really get that out of a readme

[icy citrus]

why not github projects?

[mild radish]

i haven't gotten around to it yet

you mean these things?

[icy citrus]

yes

[mild radish]

i've gotten it on my Trello to-do list 😉

[carmine bough]

Hello, I'm using a TMP text in a 2D game and I have a problem where each time I update the text value, the new value is displayed on top of the previous one, for example, Turn 2 is drawn on top of Turn 1, making the 2 and 1 mixed up, and it does that until the number is a mix of 1 to 9 and become kind of a white square. I check in the hierarchy at runtine there doesn't seem to be more than 1 instance of the TMP object (it's not even instantiated by code to begin with). I tried a lot of things like clearinf the text before updating it, calling a refresh after updating but nothing works. Any idea?

[mighty osprey]

admittedly it may be time to stop calling all of my github notes "test" "test test" "build working" and "fuck you why wont you work"

[mild radish]

i feel ya.. but yes you need to start being strategic with ur naming

[brave ridge]

frustration is also a good indicator that somethings wrong. yea be within reason but if you're going to let them push you around, you're just going to still do the work of 2-3 people while probably getting underpaid as one.

[mild radish]

your future self will thank you

ohh snap! ^ i didn't know it worked like that

[icy citrus]

sure does

[mild radish]

okay.. im sold 🙂 thanks for the headsup

[icy citrus]

and ypu have multiple views too
like this is the exact same thing in a different display format:

[mild radish]

can you add images and code snippets to those "cards" ?

[icy citrus]

its github issues

not a great example but you get the jist

[mighty osprey]

Oh dang, can you migrate an existing github repository into a project? Like can I use the same path I am using now, but get all those nice notes and such?

[icy citrus]

no no, projects are made for a repository, its not a replacement

[mighty osprey]

Oh good

[icy citrus]

so you likely already have a few issues on your repo, just make a project and input the already existing issues

[brave ridge]

you create it separately, there will be an option under the projects tab of a repo. You can link stuff like branches directly to new issues

each ticket is an issue

[mighty osprey]

I can't believe I never used projects before, this seems so useful. Sheesh, they should include this with more unity tutorials haha

[icy citrus]

its just so much better then trello as trello started to ask for money on every interaction now and i dont respect that

[mighty osprey]

thank you guys so much, honestly even the ability to give myself a task list feels like a great weight off my shoulders

[carmine bough]

@icy citrus One of the big downside of using Github Project last time we wanted to use it as a team was the lack of notifications when someone made any kind of change and it was a deal breaker for us. If you're working alone it's fine I guess.

[icy citrus]

also its nice that you can stay in github for all of the documentation

[mild radish]

I just trying to not over-whelm myself with documentation..
i already spend way too much time organizing and renaming things..
i barely can keep a up-to-date to-do list much less having a projects page and marking issues..

[mighty osprey]

(speaking of unity collaboration, the next time someone suggests using any kind of collaborative tool outside of github I will eat their liver)

[mild radish]

if my project was a bit bigger.. and i had a team working with me i feel it'd become more second nature

[icy citrus]

oh thats fair, i never tried adding notifications to it before but i can imagine you can just make a github workflow script for that to call out to a notification service once an issue is imported into a project

[mild radish]

but as of now i just gotta get things done.. (the order and priority of those things shift just as quickly as my adhd brian 😄

[icy citrus]

i struggle with this too sometimes

[mighty osprey]

Oh if I had the money to hire a secretary I feel like I'd be set for life

I know lists are important, but I really struggle with the "no list but has time to do things" vs. "spending all time making a list and not actually doing the tasks" dichotomy

[icy citrus]

you should sell it instead, but yeah i agree

yeah its always super hard to balance documentation vs actual work...

[mighty osprey]

Out of curiosity, which template (if any) did you make to have this? It looks perfect for what I'm doing.

[icy citrus]

its one of my own

let me check

[mild radish]

he just made a couple of tags

[mighty osprey]

guess that means I better git good huh

[mild radish]

• Concept
• Todo
• Progress
• Functional
• Beta

[icy citrus]

i just made it public: https://github.com/orgs/CTN-Originals/projects/12/views/1

idk if that works

[mild radish]

Discord Bot Roadmap

[icy citrus]

yeye i know

but its generalised

i was making a lot of bots super quickly at that time

[mighty osprey]

You are my hero, thank you! This looks great, this will really help a lot

[icy citrus]

no problem, have fun with it

also i just realised that project i showed as demonstration is public, so if you like to look around in it for context of how it could look, here it is: https://github.com/orgs/CTN-Originals/projects/11
do try out the table view

[mighty osprey]

I was keeping a seperate document for my to do notes, but it was basically just a long list, this makes things much less of a headache. Probably good to start keeping better track of my "done" tasks too

[icy citrus]

yeah i did the exact same before projects

[mighty osprey]

And you can move the tasks between columns too... Yeah I'm adding this to my little in-person gamedev workshop for sure now, I wish someone taught me this kind of thing sooner

[icy citrus]

yeah thats how it works with all great tools

[mighty osprey]

Thank you all again so much for your advice, and your help

[plain dagger]

Platforms like Trello and Clickup can be used for free

[icy citrus]

yeah they can, but with very limited features until you pay

idk about clickup though, never use that

[lapis gate]

Trello is pretty neat, but I'm bad at keeping it updated

I'll spend hours making it look pretty though

[icy citrus]

yeah thats a common trap lol

[mighty osprey]

Therein will lie my doom haha

[south summit]

stop crying, this is the script dude ``` void Update()
{
HandleMovement();
HandleCrouch();
HandleCamera();
}

void HandleMovement()
{
    float moveX = Input.GetAxis("Horizontal");
    float moveZ = Input.GetAxis("Vertical");

    Vector3 move = transform.right * moveX + transform.forward * moveZ;
    controller.Move(move * moveSpeed * Time.deltaTime);

    if (controller.isGrounded && velocity.y < 0)
        velocity.y = -2f;

    if (Input.GetButtonDown("Jump") && controller.isGrounded && !isCrouching)
    {
        velocity.y = Mathf.Sqrt(jumpForce * -2f * gravity);
    }

    velocity.y += gravity * Time.deltaTime;
    controller.Move(velocity * Time.deltaTime);
}```

[vivid cedar]

Did you ever explain what you meant by a "delay"?

[icy citrus]

lol wtf

[icy citrus]

I wasnt, i was asking a question to check if i misunderstood something i been doing...

why so aggressive?

[south summit]

delay of the IsGrounded Check

[south summit]

nono im not agressive 🤣

its a form to say as a joke

[mild radish]

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.2/Documentation/ScriptReference/CharacterController.Move.html

[south summit]

XD

[south summit]

stop crying brou

[icy citrus]

well telling that to someone who doesnt know you at all is a bit strange and can easily be misunderstood.
so skill issue i guess, get gud...

jk of course

[south summit]

im not english

and my english is awful 🙁

[vivid cedar]

Oh yeah it's because you're using Move incorrectly

[icy citrus]

me neither, but everyone has to learn first concepts at some point, i dont hold a grouch

[vivid cedar]

As I said earlier, calling Move twice in a frame is incorrect

you need to combine your two Move calls into one

Something like:

void HandleMovement()
{
    float moveX = Input.GetAxis("Horizontal");
    float moveZ = Input.GetAxis("Vertical");

    Vector3 move = transform.right * moveX + transform.forward * moveZ;
    Vector3 horizontal = move * moveSpeed;

    if (controller.isGrounded && velocity.y < 0)
        velocity.y = -2f;

    if (Input.GetButtonDown("Jump") && controller.isGrounded && !isCrouching)
    {
        velocity.y = Mathf.Sqrt(jumpForce * -2f * gravity);
    }

    velocity.y += gravity * Time.deltaTime;
    Vector3 vertical = velocity;

    controller.Move((horizontal + vertical) * Time.deltaTime);
}```
@south summit

[mild radish]

☝️

    void Update()
    {
        // get the initial movement / Input
        moveInput = new Vector3(Input.GetAxisRaw("Horizontal"), 0, Input.GetAxisRaw("Vertical"));

        // some example forces (Y forces / jump / gravity / etc)
        externalForces = new Vector3(0, Physics.gravity.y * Time.deltaTime, 0);

        // combine everything you need
        finalMove = (moveInput.normalized * speed * Time.deltaTime) + externalForces;

        // 
        cc.Move(finalMove);
    }```
here's a simple example.. (we're working with more than 1 vector, but they can all be combined into a *finalVector*)

but ya, tally up all ur movements and call it just once per Update()..

Unity's own example documentation/code does the same.

[mild radish]

Character Controller basically be teleporting Move();..
Unity just does magic stuff in the background to make it collide with walls and stop moving..
as well as stairs, gravity, and such.. don't call rigidbody.MovePosition(); in Update.. but for the CC's Move() method its totally fine

-# TLDR: CC.Move() looks like physics but its actually controlled teleportation with collision correction

[icy citrus]

yeah thats pretty confusing

[mild radish]

i believe if i recall correctly its doing like a projection and if the motion collides with a surface (like a wall) it takes whats left over of the motion and projects it along the surface normals...

[worldly cave]

am i missing something about probuilder or is it really this unintuitive to use?

🤔

[icy citrus]

but for future reference, how do i distiguish something from pysics and non-pyisics operations?

[icy citrus]

depends... idk what you were expecting, but i like to describve it as a mini blender inside unity

[worldly cave]

yeah well i come from blender

[mild radish]

Rigidbodys are physics... CharacterControllers are "pseudo physics"

[worldly cave]

and it just doesnt feel good to use

i guess i cant be expecting much

[mild radish]

other than that.. its basically pretty straight forward..

[worldly cave]

but im surprised theres no hammer editor esque external editor for unity yet, could save a lot of headaches when it comes to staging out levels

[icy citrus]

well yeah if you usually do blender its gonna seem like its missing a lot of features, but its not meant for production level modeling, its mostly for prototyping models quickly

[copper gust]

unity just doesn't give budget for that kind of stuff

[worldly cave]

im hoping to use it for blocking out levels

[copper gust]

probuilder is very poor in comparison to other tools

[worldly cave]

but some basic stuff just seems to be very lacking

[copper gust]

it is

[icy citrus]

yeah i get that but, i mean, for more situations that may not involve either...

[worldly cave]

i scoured everywhere but almost everyone recommends probuilder and probuilder only for grayboxing

theres no worth while alternative apparently

[copper gust]

its the best option

[worldly cave]

well that sucks

[copper gust]

tragically

[icy citrus]

the alternative is blender

[charred fog]

It was an asset that got bought out by Unity. Author is working on a new version as well btw. If you have specific ProBuilder questions you should direct them to #🛠️┃probuilder

[worldly cave]

it wasnt a specific question

[copper gust]

in this context i wouldn't consider that an alternative

[worldly cave]

i was just looking for alternatives

but i guess im sticking with it

[copper gust]

Freya Holmer is working on a dedicated tool that meets the expectations your looking for, dunno how that is going tho

[icy citrus]

well yeah if you constrain it to only in editor tools then there is none, but the next best is blender

[worldly cave]

you gotta a link?

[mild radish]

well the other stuff is pretty self explainatory -> Physics.Raycast() if its using the Physics classes its Physics
if its using any of the components like SpringJoint, HingeJoint etc.. its physics
the CC and Rigidbody are typically the only possible things you can get confused about

[icy citrus]

fair, i need to refactor a bunch then cuz i had the wrong idea of what is meant by "physics"

a well, not the first time something is misunderstood

[copper gust]

i dont know where they post about it nowdays as im not on bluesky or anything but they used to post about it on twitter

[mild radish]

if its only the mutliple move functions.. should be pretty simple to just combine the vectors later on

and remove all but the last one..

[worldly cave]

https://half-edge.handmade.network/ probably this I assume?

[icy citrus]

oh yeah its not gonna be super hard to refactor, just annoying that i misunderstood in the first place

[mild radish]

meh, you live and learn 🙂

[icy citrus]

exactly, and then we move on

[modest meteor]

there are alternatives like umodeler, sabrecsg, realtimecsg

[copper gust]

iirc its meant to be designed as a tool that can suit modeling needs and more prototype-y level design greyboxing type stuff

[worldly cave]

keyword worthwhile

i see some of those mentioned as well

but at the end of the day everyone defaults to probuilder

[mild radish]

bite the bullet and learn a modelling software.. you'll not regret it..

[worldly cave]

so i assume its the lesser of all evils lol

[copper gust]

personally nothing ive tried for unity competes with hammer 1

[modest meteor]

doesnt mean its better

[worldly cave]

? this isnt about 3d modeling.

[mild radish]

probuilder isn't about 3d modelling?

[worldly cave]

believe it or not no

[copper gust]

i mean yes and no

[mild radish]

ohh then carry on

[worldly cave]

at least our conversation wasnt lol