It’s 0.5547 something pixels
#💬-beta-chat
neat bay
rose dragon
no not pixels, thats a percentage
its the percent amount the completed time is compared to the time to go
neat bay
0.313686 something pixels is the answer.
neat bay
neat bay
@rose dragon
neat bay
Using the calculator app.
neat bay
22
rose dragon
first language?
neat bay
English
flint thicket
dunno why you've pulled me into this but you've gotta charge your phone man
-# and learn what screenshots are
jade surge
Empire state got added to the garden
still saffron
Empire state got added to the garden
Impressive research level.
flint thicket
Oh sweet! I've been a bit bummed out by the emptiness of most of the garden for a while
flint thicket
Impressive research level.
haha that too
I'll get in the habit of noticing those things eventually
still saffron
I would be aching to spend those research chips.
jade surge
I would be aching to spend those research chips.
I once tried using a bunch of them in a pre reality reboot version, and the game softlocked at around 1000 chips spent
solar lake
Empire state got added to the garden
It has been (4 me)
steady bramble
Empire state got added to the garden
its there since, like, december?
terse delta
so like
is this new update a buff to metabit and entropy time chambers?
or same progression (with the new upgrades)
barren terrace
Automation might be after Industrial or with E30
barren terrace
is this new update a buff to metabit and entropy time chambers?
That’s what I’m wondering
onyx tulip
Empire state got added to the garden
Please show it in video
wintry relic
Thoughts on beyond ep 30 guys
Personally I think cells should redo it
I find it lazy
nocturne helm
Don't spoil it for me. I'm only on like 27 or something
rose dragon
why are you in beta chat then 😭 right click on the channel and click on either "mute channel" or "remove from channel list"
solar lake
The irresistible apple of wisdom was too much for them
jade surge
Personally I think cells should redo it
They’re going to they’ve just been busy with automation and time chamber
Wait… they scrapped automation.
It’s not even in the upcoming updates section
solar lake
Sad
rose dragon
The irresistible apple of wisdom was too much for them
eating the apple of wisdom and finding out the update is 4 months out
rose dragon
Wait… they scrapped automation.
how it feels to be able to read
"nearly ready for future release" 1 or 2 weeks maybe
solar lake
If I could wish something for c2s, I'd wish that they'd repurpose e31, e32, e100, and e101 into Beyond prestige
jade surge
how it feels to be able to read
Then Why is it not in the upcoming updates tab?
rose dragon
Then Why is it not in the upcoming updates tab?
theyre prob pushing it further out?
like further than ind rev
rose dragon
time line has prob been shifted since they thought they could do more work than they actually could, they're working too much
judging by leaks n stuff they seemed to start work on automation around Sci rev or late RR
wet zenith
how it feels to be able to read
so basically is the new update not gonna be doing anything?
rose dragon
new update is like only the chambers n crystals stuff
fickle harness
for now it's only on steam???
spark plover
Got it on Android as well
fickle harness
oh
rose dragon
the mobiles are normally a week or so behind, but the updates do come
jade surge
for now it's only on steam???
and ios
got on ios only an hour after the update dropped
fickle harness
ok thx
granite wadi
Automation getting removed...
spark plover
"Both features will return in a future update with additional polish."
dusk kiln
Ok so I’m not great on terminology lol before this latest update I came across an area that I hadn’t seen before how I missed I really don’t know lol but … on this screen bottom right I had 3 icons and it took me to another version of the main simulation where you could level up each item
Was that the automation that people are referencing above
jade surge
Ok so I’m not great on terminology lol before this latest update I came across a...
"was the area with the other main sim tree with the giant button at the top saying "automation: On" automation?" i don't know, maybe sherlock could find out
rose dragon
you can't act snarky dude you didn't read the patch notes either
rose dragon
Ok so I’m not great on terminology lol before this latest update I came across a...
read #🧾-beta-patch-notes for more info, get used to doing so when you see the update button on steam
wet zenith
new update is like only the chambers n crystals stuff
🤔 what changes that include
rose dragon
I'm watching Stargate check the notes 😭
wet zenith
I'm watching Stargate check the notes 😭
😭 I checked and that's why I said the new update gonna be nothin
dusk kiln
I did read the notes lol that’s what am asking if that bit that I mentioned that’s gone if that’s the automation area I just couldn’t remember what that section was I have a memory like a sieve hahaha
I liked the episode 30 that we got a few updates ago lots of quests to do
vale basalt
Im in android
leaden flare
im bored
robust delta
Hi
ancient birch
Hi
wintry relic
Wait so they are making a better ep 30?
Because I can't get past laniakea
And I'm on ep 30
jade surge
Yeah because 2 generators for 50 missions is really bad
spark plover
Wait so they are making a better ep 30?
Hopefully
signal cairn
😯 😯
i love this
robust delta
😯 😯
i love this
Damn
wet zenith
😯 😯
i love this
does it invalidate the empty sim strat or only visual
spark plover
I think it's just visual
signal cairn
video was recorded on start of simulation
second pic is after some simulated time
rose dragon
does it invalidate the empty sim strat or only visual
its just at 7 days instead of 21
and the boost is less
signal cairn
there isnt same thing for ideabits
wet zenith
its just at 7 days instead of 21
hmm wdym?
spark plover
and the boost is less
So less wait time and less reward?
Why does this change sound so deliberate
rose dragon
it prob is
rose dragon
hmm wdym?
since the functions are linear now stopping when the first one is full will maximise your time spent in each sim
cause after the first one fills up the eff/s drops
heres a diagram with example values, you can see after the first function drops off the total also changes its growth and youre no longer getting the best gains
signal cairn
secrete message from devs
rose dragon
heres a diagram with example values, you can see after the first function drops ...
since this is an example its not exactly accurate but you get the idea
i could prob find the exact values actually, since its linear itll be easy (assuming the time is accurate tho)
mortal coral
since this is an example its not exactly accurate but you get the idea
The important question is how much worse is the new 7 day empty sim * 3 vs old 21d empty sim 
mortal coral
I mean the decision is basically, do we not Install the update if its just plain nerf all around 
Doesnt look like any new content anyways.
rose dragon
yk the more i look at it it seems like crystal 1 isnt linear
wet zenith
cause after the first one fills up the eff/s drops
bruh
wet zenith
so the qs is at what day should u stop the empty sim and cash in
rose dragon
yeah, cause its linear after 7 days
(or at least thats how the math works out)
and just for ref here is its derivative
mortal coral
Still 100x less mult than now. So even If u do 3 runs which give Like say double because of higher entropy/idea mults you end up with 18x value in 21 days compared to the 100x value from one empty sim now. 
rose dragon
yeah, but you cant stay on an old version forever, nerfs are natural
mortal coral
Nerfs Ala yeah we nerf this by 20% not by 90% +
mortal coral
This will be Like the 100x nerf of e29. Just ends any progress immediatly and freezes the main sim till next update for it
rose dragon
🤷♀️ with the wind
mortal coral
But tbh maybe i miss something. Maybe there is some other change that increases some gain before the crystals
wet zenith
and just for ref here is its derivative
isn't the 2nd time chamber going upto day 14?
topaz thorn
This will be Like the 100x nerf of e29. Just ends any progress immediatly and fr...
Was always going to be the case for those of us who have been using empty sim.
The question for me is whether the gameplay will be better once the dust has settled. And it looks like while the length to wait is shorter, empty sim>normal. Sigh.
rose dragon
yeah empty will be better unless they change something fundamental about the fills system
wet zenith
thats what it shows
wait is the blue exp line the 2nd TC?
rose dragon
no, the blue line is the total (1TC*2TC) the purple line is the derivative of the total
wet zenith
Ah ok got it
at the very least, don't run empty sim past day 14, which is better Ig despite the nerfs
rose dragon
well it kinda depends? the boost halfway seems like exactly halfway
(which makes sense if TC2 is linear, 100*1/2(100) is gonna be halfway)
wet zenith
Tc1*Tc2 goes upto 1 million or?
wet zenith
So 100 each TC
rose dragon
yk it might actually be worth it to go all the way then
wet zenith
Ye
rose dragon
yeah each is 100 (as of now)
wet zenith
Yea ;et's see if they change anything in prod vers
rose dragon
the linear thing threw me off but i think 14 day runs still work
mortal coral
at the very least, don't run empty sim past day 14, which is better Ig despite t...
Not a dif tbh
Wonder if this update validates empty sim as non exploit tactic, because devs did just fully aware patch the crystals so that its still the bis tactic.
rose dragon
yeah, crystals and chambers were like a random thing for devs to touch, its def gotta be a little influenced by empty sim
wet zenith
Not a dif tbh <:KEKSWEAT:873215603857559612>
Wonder if this update validates em...
I mean it's non exploit for sure, it's just an unintended consequence of their setup
rose dragon
altho they dont seem to understand why empty sim works?
topaz thorn
Not a dif tbh <:KEKSWEAT:873215603857559612>
Wonder if this update validates em...
I understand that it might be tricky to fix. But makes me sad, because the tech tree in primary in this game is the thing that drew me to it.
mortal coral
I mean it's non exploit for sure, it's just an unintended consequence of their s...
Its intended now tho
topaz thorn
altho they dont seem to understand why empty sim works?
Agree. Based on conversation with them when they dropped into cells chat a few weeks ago.
rose dragon
them acknowledging it doesnt count as intended lol
wet zenith
altho they dont seem to understand why empty sim works?
yea that does seem to be the case, or they are putting this as a stop gap measure for now
wet zenith
Its intended now tho
No lol, still not intended
mortal coral
I understand that it might be tricky to fix. But makes me sad, because the tech ...
Yeah its kinda sad to look at Mustafa earth for now 7-14days instead of 21 days before If you dont want to gimp yourself
rose dragon
maybe thats why they had a job opening for "economy balancer" lol, cause no one in house could do the math
mortal coral
No lol, still not intended
They know the problem, they touched it, still bis tactic, so its intended now
rose dragon
Agree. Based on conversation with them when they dropped into cells chat a few w...
could you perchance link to this? or keywords i should search for
i wasnt awake for that chat
they held it 4am my time 😭
i might send a message to cells support with all relevant info, like if they need help with the balancing
spark plover
#BuffBackE29 btw
reef quest
Am I hearing this right, they added a web shop like you axes it from google?
wet zenith
they held it 4am my time 😭
yea that was intended
wet zenith
They know the problem, they touched it, still bis tactic, so its intended now
just coz they know the issue doesn't mean it's still intended lol
rose dragon
Am I hearing this right, they added a web shop like you axes it from google?
theyve had a webshop for a while, but they recently adding the ability to buy more upgrades
topaz thorn
could you perchance link to this? or keywords i should search for
Mainly after here - #💬-cells-chat message
But I remember TheQuickFox, me and Sepheria trying to explain it. Most detailed bits were with Arnold.
rose dragon
They know the problem, they touched it, still bis tactic, so its intended now
thatd be like saying any half baked patch makes the bug intended behaviour lol
topaz thorn
thatd be like saying any half baked patch makes the bug intended behaviour lol
Which is true, no? 😬
rose dragon
Mainly after here - https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/488478893586...
thanks! ill look at that thread
rose dragon
Which is true, no? 😬
lol
mortal coral
thatd be like saying any half baked patch makes the bug intended behaviour lol
No excuses anymore imo 
Would help if devs for once would play their own games beyond full casual level. A general problem in the gaming industry tbh
topaz thorn
thanks! ill look at that thread
I get the feeling they don't play the game themselves.
rose dragon
i mean at the pace theyre doing updates its not unreasonable
i think theyre working too hard
reef quest
theyve had a webshop for a while, but they recently adding the ability to buy mo...
Oh ok
mortal coral
i think theyre working too hard
Maybe too many irons in the oven at the same time rn. Maybe im too harsh 
wet zenith
i think theyre working too hard
yea, we getting updates every 3 weeks now, not even a month
topaz thorn
i think theyre working too hard
I also think - by observing bugs - they haven't helped themselves by some of the coding architecture and stuff they've done.
Not that I could do better 😁
rose dragon
I also think - by observing bugs - they haven't helped themselves by some of the...
yeah some of the structure is weird (insert rant about security here), but a large refactoring is almost impossible at these scales (without the game dying slowly)
like its a team of a few devs and they have like tons of code to get through
id rather a large bug patch than new content tho
wet zenith
yeah some of the structure is weird (insert rant about security here), but a lar...
Yea, completely invalidating the empty sim doesn't seme realistic
rose dragon
Yea, completely invalidating the empty sim doesn't seme realistic
idk about unrealistic, its possible, but theyd have to make a new system for fills or really change how it functions, both of which take alot of time (which the devs are running low on)
someone has gotta tell them to slow down
mortal coral
You dont need to invalidate it, just takes its advantage away. Make the time crystals mult apply to all fills of the run retroactively and the problem is solved.
Way more intuitive anyways than now.
Easy 10min change
rose dragon
yeah but that makes them act less as "fills" tho doesnt it?
topaz thorn
someone has gotta tell them to slow down
Maybe they're thinking about that: what with pulling automation and E30 from beta?
rose dragon
Maybe they're thinking about that: what with pulling automation and E30 from bet...
yeah they saw the bad beta launch and wanted to slow down, makes sense
mortal coral
yeah but that makes them act less as "fills" tho doesnt it?
The animation stuff and so on stays the same, so who cares?
No need to rework the entire fill system
wet zenith
idk about unrealistic, its possible, but theyd have to make a new system for fil...
Ah yea, I meant to add with the current pace of updates it's unrealistic
rose dragon
so technically this is a problem on both parts
mortal coral
theyre also eff
They dont but its wayne because its entropy/ideas
rose dragon
wayne?
mortal coral
Unimportant
rose dragon
who is wayne 😭
mortal coral
doesnt make a difference
rose dragon
whateva
topaz thorn
so technically this is a problem on both parts
I don't think it's a problem with chambers. The reason it's an issue with crystals is because if fills and how they get much slower/harder.
rose dragon
true
topaz thorn
Chambers feel fine to me. How it's intended.
The fills thing is what drives both spam rebooting and empty sim. Neither of which are intended imo.
rose dragon
(not a tag, i mean like inverse seconds)
mortal coral
Since the fills reqs growth exponential its not important when u exactly boost your entropy/Idea during the run.
It barely makes a difference anyways in the end.
rose dragon
Chambers feel fine to me. How it's intended.
The fills thing is what drives bot...
actually with the new system spam reboot might come back
wet zenith
atp they will get rid of chambers itself
rose dragon
for t<7 days the total crystals boost is ~x^2
topaz thorn
actually with the new system spam reboot might come back
Yay. /s (is a tag).
rose dragon
i mean its not much
wet zenith
I mean spam reboot is supposed to be every 10 mins tho
rose dragon
idk, spam rebooting but you wait a few hours might be meta
mortal coral
Nah
topaz thorn
<:dog_laugh:811273391126347895> atp they will get rid of chambers itself
I hope not. I liked that they have (tried to) incentivise longer runs.
rose dragon
yeah same, they need more ways to make longer runs better tho
just the chambers and crystals isnt enough i think (or makes them too central to the meta)
wet zenith
I hope not. I liked that they have (tried to) incentivise longer runs.
Yup me too
rose dragon
i think more time related things will make the boosts from crystals less obvious, and might curb empty sim
jaunty bronze
i find it kinda strange how with those banners we never got a non glitched one for mollusks and e29 even though every other update had a normal version
wet zenith
idk, spam rebooting but you wait a few hours might be meta
Lol
mortal coral
Spam reboot is already meta in early/mid game. Hope it stays away from late game 
rose dragon
is the split of mid to late game known?
topaz thorn
i think more time related things will make the boosts from crystals less obvious...
Probably what this is leafing to imo #💬-beta-chat message
rose dragon
its like 60-70 ish right?
mortal coral
is the split of mid to late game known?
Changes every patch. So you can just guess
rose dragon
Probably what this is leafing to imo https://discord.com/channels/48847889287374...
true, would be cool
an entire menu to time based things does indicate somethings brewing
mortal coral
For me i had do to longer runs once i hit around 60. Started Christmas 2025
wet zenith
i think more time related things will make the boosts from crystals less obvious...
🤔 it's a multi in the end, so diff between empty and non-empty would still be a diff of close to a million no?
wet zenith
well after the update itd be ~10k
True
Ig they decided to just decrease the gains from empty sim by 100x in the short term
rose dragon
ykw ill ask when i message cells support
wet zenith
yea smartest option, well as long as it's not a generic ans
rose dragon
hope they dont ghost me tho, last i messaged them they didnt respond for like a week (and still didnt)
wet zenith
"We're looking into it", "We'll get back to you"
topaz thorn
an entire menu to time based things does indicate somethings brewing
And - if they can somehow address the issue that the RE cost escalation means there's no strategy to the re - it could let players actually set their games up for different strategies.
Maybe something like using Research chips?
rose dragon
"We're looking into it", "We'll get back to you"
the best responses
mortal coral
hope they dont ghost me tho, last i messaged them they didnt respond for like a ...
They are afraid of tescoo
rose dragon
And - if they can somehow address the issue that the RE cost escalation means th...
yeah the RE always seemed kinda random in its buffs? idk if im just wrong but there wasnt much strats besides "buy the cheapest thing"
wet zenith
the best responses
Lmaoo
rose dragon
i mean i havent played the new RE (as in i started like lvl 60) so i cant talk full on it
topaz thorn
They are afraid of tescoo <:councilofhmm:1285502795063103489>
Tescoo gonna be the new end boss next time Cryptids runs.
wet zenith
They gonna hire Tescoo as the tester soon
rose dragon
surely
topaz thorn
yeah the RE always seemed kinda random in its buffs? idk if im just wrong but th...
It's because the amount of metabit/knowledge you get goes up so much. And therefore, so do the node costs. So everything quickly becomes cheap.
(and yes, I can teach you to suck eggs too)
rose dragon
!?
rose dragon
I just came in to see *"I can teach you to suck eggs too"* without context
tried searching "whats up with french people" but i didnt find any answers
wait this is an english idiom?? what the hell
rose dragon
it seems the context of "teaching your grandmother" being lost there
as in your grandmother would know how to suck eggs
fresh quarry
ah so like my grade 8 teacher teaching me about things I know (and do way better)
topaz thorn
as in your grandmother would know how to suck eggs
For me, never use the grandmother bit. I wouldn't be surprised at it. But I was teaching you, not my grandmother 😬.
spark plover
Never heard of an english version of this
rose dragon
For me, never use the grandmother bit. I wouldn't be surprised at it. But I was ...
lol but thats how idioms work youd never say "i could lead you to water but couldnt force you to drink it"
its comparative
rose dragon
It's because the amount of metabit/knowledge you get goes up so much. And theref...
do you think the devs only rely on player input about these balances? like the amount of internal testing they do recently must be low
topaz thorn
lol but thats how idioms work youd never say "i could lead you to water but coul...
Hmm. If I was addressing you directly about something you'd (not) done I would say 'you'. Horse would be acceptable. Although both would be rude.
If I was talking about you to someone else, I'd use horse.
rose dragon
aww im glad im a horse in your eyes
but itd be more phrased like "altho me telling you this is like teaching my grandmother how to suck eggs"
something with a comparative
or you just say it out of the blue
topaz thorn
do you think the devs only rely on player input about these balances? like the a...
I previously thought they would look at beta tester files in the aggregate to do some analysis.
Not sure anymore. Based on the Great Beyond Nerf. Although E29 has been in beta (intermittently) for so long, maybe not much they could learn from beta stuff.
rose dragon
im trying to think of more idioms with 3rd persons but all i can think of is "im not here to (copulate) spiders"
rose dragon
I previously thought they would look at beta tester files in the aggregate to do...
theres definite stuff for analytics (that runs in everyones game btw) but ig they just dont use it much?
topaz thorn
or you just say it out of the blue
Think its quite common to only use part of the saying / idiom.
Like I'd say 'silver lining', not the whole thing.
rose dragon
true, altho some amount of common knowledge is needed, and then you also get context loss over time ("customer is always right", "water of the womb" etc)
topaz thorn
May be just my dialect.
topaz thorn
sorry actually i do need to ask cause i may be wrong but youre french right?
Me? Nope. English. Yorkshire.
topaz thorn
I used to speak French quite well.
rose dragon
lol true
wet zenith
sorry actually i do need to ask cause i may be wrong but youre french right?
Nah Kf couldn't be French
rose dragon
well ill just make fun of the english then
spark plover
Time to advertise #🏠-general once more! /j
topaz thorn
Anyway. To do a proper test of e.g. Beyond E29, I think they woulda had to set everybody back to maybe E27 and remove some golds.
But that would have made everybody angry.
And iOS testers could've just rebought all the stuff with their infinite DW glitch.
Exploit?
rose dragon
Anyway. To do a proper test of e.g. Beyond E29, I think they woulda had to set e...
im not at beyond E29 so i dont actually know, was the nerf really that bad?
rose dragon
like it dropped stuff like e2 down?
wet zenith
like it dropped stuff like e2 down?
in short yea
rose dragon
i read over the "change log" so i have some idea of what happened
wet zenith
they should have just made adjustments to E30 instead of crapping on E29
rose dragon
but currently my beyonds are taking like a couple days to get thru, how long is E29 now?
wet zenith
some mentioned they couldn't buy great attractor or lanakeia for a couple months
rose dragon
damn really?
rose dragon
thats absurd
rose dragon
https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/488478893586645004/1472178444920...
ah thx
wet zenith
yea, I was one of the lucky ones as I maxed e29 quickly
rose dragon
honestly with the length of E30 (which surely they are to change) they shouldve buffed E29
50 quests is absurd also
wet zenith
yup, Ig they want buffer time for beyond prestige, which they need
coz only 1 dude working on it rn
rose dragon
lol
they should hire me the amateur so i can fix everything, thats the only way to save cells (frfr)
bleak moon
50 quests is absurd also
I doubt it'll stay that way
wet zenith
they should hire me the amateur so i can fix everything, thats the only way to s...
only soln fr
hallow mountain
They removed automation?
hallow mountain
50 quests is absurd also
Thelast episode tho, need to something massive
spark plover
They removed automation?
"To ensure a smoother launch, we’ve temporarily disabled Automation and Beyond Episode 30 in this build."
hallow mountain
*"To ensure a smoother launch, we’ve temporarily disabled Automation and Beyond ...
Ok
solar lake
Thelast episode tho, need to something massive
The Universe is massive
bleak moon
They removed automation?
Delayed for later
bleak moon
Not gonna do beta while automation is out of it tbh.
solar lake
List of upcoming updates:
||Industrial Revolution 2||
||Reboot: Automation||
||Crustaceans||
||Reboot Upgrade||
||Insects||
||Atomic Age 2||
||Arachnids||
||Information Age 2||
||Plant Expansion||
||Emergent Age 2||
||Beyond Prestige||
||Android Revamp||
||Mars Revamp||
||Cyborg Revamp||
||Kardashev Scale||
||Exploration Season 3||
||Post-Mars Anomaly||
wintry sequoia
...
solar lake
Fraud next friggin week yo 🗿
dusk kiln
Me wants to see something on Mesozoic it’s been sooooooo long since I did anything on it
wind knoll
List of upcoming updates:
||Industrial Revolution 2||
||Reboot: Automation||
||C...
what's ||Planet Expansion||
maiden roost
In early alpha cynanobacteria where unlockable
split ore
List of upcoming updates:
||Industrial Revolution 2||
||Reboot: Automation||
||C...
Are these confirmed?
Because if so that sounds so sick
Kardashev scale especially
jagged bramble
Kardashev scale especially
All of them are
solar lake
what's ||Planet Expansion||
Plants
jagged bramble
I even have kardashev scale, post mars, plants, and the arthropod trophy
oh yeah eiffel tower and hadron collider too
solar lake
I even have kardashev scale, post mars, plants, and the arthropod trophy
Do you have the early alpha somehow?
Or is it another case of Umbrella shenanigans
jagged bramble
Do you have the early alpha somehow?
I was with alpha until they made it public to beta
Then I stopped testing
knotty plover
Fraud next friggin week yo 🗿
Are you talking about ultrakilla?
solar lake
solar lake
Are you talking about ultrakilla?
Yes
solar lake
copper crown
Does anyone know if I update to the latest beta, my progress in e30 and automation will be gone?
jagged bramble
Does anyone know if I update to the latest beta, my progress in e30 and automati...
Yes it will
cold fjord
half igloo
Looked at my question regarding Modules cost... No im talking about Epsilon and the other one
copper crown
Yes it will
I ain’t updating then
eternal shale
Is any1 there? How long could it take to be accepted as a beta tester?
does it depend on our progress too?
will my reality engine 46 account be disrupted ? ( like idea n entropy gone bcoz of updates?)
crisp sedge
for some reason, i am no longer in beta version of the game
even tho steam says i am in the beta version of the game
topaz thorn
even tho steam says i am in the beta version of the game
What version are you? Have you checked https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/1200105238208708668
topaz thorn
Is any1 there? How long could it take to be accepted as a beta tester?
Depends. Steam is instant. iOS and Apple can take a while.
Your main game save will be disrupted unless you set up a new account to beta test on. Tis is because you will beta test using the account's game file.
crisp sedge
What version are you? Have you checked https://discord.com/channels/488478892873...
Nvm, i'm dumb
eternal shale
Depends. Steam is instant. iOS and Apple can take a while.
Your main game save ...
okay thanks, ( im on android ( play games beta on desktop) )
topaz thorn
okay thanks, ( im on android ( play games beta on desktop) )
Sorry, I meant iOS and Android. It was early and no coffee 😬
eternal shale
okay bro
pseudo hedge
Automation UI missing in 44.05
spark plover
"To ensure a smoother launch, we’ve temporarily disabled Automation and Beyond Episode 30 in this build."
rose dragon
mfs will see an update and not read the patch notes
spark plover
I agree
topaz thorn
mfs will see an update and not read the patch notes
And will not do any beta testing either 😬
rose dragon
lol im here cause im interested in the beta
topaz thorn
Mhm. Did you see many (any?) comments in here or bug reports about e.g. The Great Beyond Nerf? I didn't (I may have missed them though).
cyan lintel
Guys i cant get back to beta
bright nacelle
Did they nerf Beyond too much? Because the nerfs honestly seem a bit too big
spark plover
Yes imo
Freeze my Beyond progress completely— dude this is like the fifth time I have said this
cyan lintel
Guys i cant get back to beta what do i need to do
spark plover
What do you mean by "i cant get back to beta"?
bright nacelle
Yes imo
I mean, people were speeding through E29, but the nerfs basically make it impossible to progress through E29
spark plover
Then you have to rejoin normally apparently...?
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bright nacelle
It's `cellsbetatest`
How do you make the text like that
slim flicker
Guys i cant get back to beta
Fellow jester
cyan lintel
spark plover
That's the beta version
cyan lintel
Ye
spark plover
"A new Steam beta build is now live (44.05)" #🧾-beta-patch-notes message
cyan lintel
İ cant update to
modern briar
Yes thats the beta version
topaz thorn
That's the beta version
This is going to be a repetitive few days, answering that question repeatedly.
Maybe just point people to https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/1475069349705285705
cyan lintel
What do i do now?
topaz thorn
What do i do now?
You could read the patch notes, test the features that are in it and report any bugs?
cyan lintel
İ dont have the automation
topaz thorn
İ dont have the automation
spark plover
İ dont have the automation
"To ensure a smoother launch, we’ve temporarily disabled Automation and Beyond Episode 30 in this build."
I swear to god
topaz thorn
I swear to god
Yup. Might be best to leave the channel for a week or so.
topaz thorn
Do I assume he got that role few moments ago?...
Nah, Android takes a while between applying and getting it. Not like steam. They don't have that excuse 😬
signal cairn
Not that role
topaz thorn
Not that role
Oh, the 'I've pissed off our mods' role. D'know.
signal cairn
Yeah app get take while to go live on Android then steam
Due to playstore chack and stuff
Blame playstore
I guess we should add blame google/player store sticker (like apple sticker we have)
topaz thorn
I guess we should add blame google/player store sticker (like apple sticker we h...
And a 'blame not reading' too?
signal cairn
Maybe head bonk sticker with read pach note text
modern briar
I see 4 legs
lavish fox
Didn't really play much the past few days but looks like my earnings on main have drastically reduced. Is that part of the reality engine structure update do we think? Sorry there's been lots of chat so may have already been covered
wild crow
Interesting
jade surge
İ dont have the automation
steady bramble
İ dont have the automation
spark plover
Real
fickle harness
soo much missions
prime hawk
Guys I'm top 1 beyond ep 30 hater
Your acting like thats a burning hot take
Like that the episode sucks
This feels like it was balanced around old ep29
mortal coral
I'm gonna tell people every day how bad it is
read the patch notes dude
reading is hard i know
67, skibbidi toilet, now i should have your attention
spark plover
Nah bro 
🙏
storm ferry
is alpha back for now..?
spark plover
👀
vocal root
And I'm skipping playing until 44.05 is done and B30 comes back... Not upset but that was 95% of my remaining focus.
solar lake
read the patch notes dude <:PepeDead:1342508772362293319>
Does the patch notes say "• Made Beyond progression impossible."?
mortal coral
Does the patch notes say "• Made Beyond progression impossible."?
Read
About e30
They already delayed because its crap, its not even in beta anymore, dude still complains its bad like its a hot take
signal cairn
Last/end of things supposed to be hard to have something to play for longer to get that feeling of achieving/finishing something hard to finish
What you guys want
last episode with 3-5 days of grind to just finish it and forgot it
rich crag
its so slooooow
signal cairn
What you guys want
last episode with 3-5 days of grind to just finish it and fo...
And what would be after that
Same question where is more stuff...
And I can't understand why you guys think "they delayed or scrapped E30 because it's hard to finish"
mortal coral
Some people will finish beyond anyways in a few hours. That happens if u have 100 black holes stacked and gold cards beyond lvl 5.
You should never try to balance against that
rapid sky
the reboot is here...
woah really?!
signal cairn
They clearly said they want to focus and finish reality engine first
So they just put it aside for time being
rapid sky
woah really?!
its not like that released 4 months ago
mortal coral
Otherwise e29 disaster a few complained they finished it instantly, but forgot to mention they are on e28 since a year
storm ferry
Otherwise e29 disaster <:Shrug:1029402902449618994> a few complained they finis...
Are reboot here again?
rapid sky
reboot was out 4 months aago
signal cairn
And if you guys didn't understand word "smoother launch"
That update is probably base for public release (this virsion will be used for public release after further improvements)
And as I think they don't want to release E30 and automation with it
rapid sky
as for me i really like episode 30
signal cairn
Duck, I sound like I'm annoyed or angry
rapid sky
even tho 50 objectives sound hard its reasonable as its the final episode
mortal coral
And if you guys didn't understand word **"smoother launch"**
That update is prob...
one a the few able to read patch notes i see 
solar lake
Read
I read everything when I was making that reply and again when I seen ts, it doesn't directly say that they removed e30 because it was hard, they said they've removed it for a smoother launch
Holy wall of text😭 🥀
mortal coral
i mean obviously they use cooperate language and deny and confirm nothing
but its delayed for now for further "additional polish"
spark plover
Duck, I sound like I'm annoyed or angry
You're spitting facts though
Either people don't read the "To ensure a smoother launch, we’ve temporarily disabled Automation and Beyond Episode 30 in this build." for some reason or they're mad that E30 is too hard
As for me, goddammit #BuffBackE29 because I can't fucking make progress
buoyant stump
it would take 7 years for me with my card levels to be able to purchase 800 eagle nebula before unlocking the observable universe💀
but what do you mean with e30 removed? its still available for me, or am i missing something?
spark plover
It's currently "temporarily disabled", which means you can't access it in the current beta
buoyant stump
but the missions are still in? or is it just the graphics without rewards? because in my game nothing changed in beyond in the last days and i can still see all the stuff in the mission tab
signal cairn
If you had those genrator purchased
I think it will just stay (like stuff unlocked with illigal method)
Unless if they haven't herd coded to remove them completely
For example
some people have rank 150+ from old builds and have stuff we should like Eiffel tower and things
If they don't hard code to reset rank to like 70 or something
They gonna keep those stuff
solar lake
tough smelt
S
worn ember
Hello!im wainting for android beta access for 2 weeks.someone can help me?
solar lake
wild crow
Detailed descriptions of the Paleozoic and Precambrian periods
wild crow
Detailed descriptions of the Paleozoic and Precambrian periods
While the Cenozoic era is certainly interesting, it has been somewhat resolved through the reinforcement and expansion of the main simulation, but apart from the mass extinction exploration event, these two are almost superficial
stoic phoenix
Do you guys expect a mammal tree reboot sometime soon?
eternal relic
I’m hoping for more superstructures between Laniakea and the Observable Universe - rn it’s just a bit empty
also should time flux increase “time in simulation” by 3 hours
umbral wagon
What do we know about the plants upd so far?
jagged bramble
What do we know about the plants upd so far?
Three generators
umbral wagon
Only?
neat bay
errant hearth
Hello
neat canyon
Guys so I asked ai to make episode 31 this is what It made
jade surge
Guys so I asked ai to make episode 31 this is what It made
Lazy ah bot
jade surge
Also asked ai… uh
jade surge
Guys so I asked ai to make episode 31 this is what It made
Wait wtf is wrong with that rare card
jagged bramble
Also asked ai… uh
This is NOT ai bro..
I know because I was in that one beta/alpha with the panel
jade surge
This is NOT ai bro..
Yeah I know
onyx tulip
Also asked ai… uh
???
solar lake
Also asked ai… uh
e32 theory is real
solar lake
Guys so I asked ai to make episode 31 this is what It made
One of 0 million 🥀
solar lake
The anamalocaris are the animals to have evolved predators
Ediacaran cooler imo
wind knoll
Help what happened
ew
gritty cloak
how about all
neat canyon
Here's episode 32 Fanmade I drew it
warm rune
Can we please ban ai content
warm rune
its not ai
Not yours I mean, I mean the previous few
neat canyon
Not yours I mean, I mean the previous few
oh
steady bramble
Here's episode 32 Fanmade I drew it
episode 30 is the last
ep31 was canceled a year ago
neat canyon
nahhhhhhh
spark plover
neat canyon
why did the ai do kinda good
flint thicket
-# off-topic but ngl I feel like I hardly ever hear about Skibidi toilet anymore
neat canyon
spark plover
Uh oh
spark plover
🫡
jagged bramble
define kinda...
solar lake
Are you a time traveler?
eternal delta
All I see here is roles go
spark plover
Level 71 but e30 metabits
eternal delta
solar lake
They have no roles tho
eternal delta
Because I removed them :)
jagged bramble
oop
spark plover
Wait I thought those who cheat get the Jester role
solar lake
I'm sorry
eternal delta
Let's start with I didn't know that role existed until someone asked why they have it
eternal delta
What
spark plover
"Im not cheating"
"i kinda cheated on the phone so im not on pc"
"i did it a week ago"
Contradiction
con·tra·dic·tion
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noun
a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another.
eternal delta
Okay
rose dragon
this isnt verifiable for your other achievements since youve shown yourself to have cheated
thats the point being made here
spark plover
So... they cheated, they just don't cheat now
rose dragon
lol
solar lake
Don't worry bro, Jester role is peak
eternal delta
Did you wipe clean your save and start from the beginning after cheating?
Jester role stays
spark plover
Then that account contains cheating what point are you trying to make
But the impact of the cheat is still there and that makes all your achievements unverifiable?
rose dragon
if you cheat once that makes you a cheater, use a backup save if you need
is it one you cheated in?
spark plover
You gotta just send the screenshot ig
rose dragon
send proof
solar lake
I think all of the "jesters" I have met have been cool
spark plover
I think all of the "jesters" I have met have been cool
Not really
rose dragon
I think all of the "jesters" I have met have been cool
if a person is a jester it means they cant hide their cheating
solar lake
All cheaters are jesters, but not all jesters are cheaters
rose dragon
(or they reacted in #🏆-share-your-prestige )
hazy mesa
if a person is a jester it means they cant hide their cheating
I’m not part of beta, but how do you cheat?
spark plover
Probably almost the opposite
rose dragon
I’m not part of beta, but how do you cheat?
time skipping is the most common cheat
hazy mesa
I’m not going to do it.
hazy mesa
time skipping is the most common cheat
As in time warp?
spark plover
Good, because you shouldn't
solar lake
Nah, all the jesters I've met were not "mean"
spark plover
Does empty sim run count as a cheat though
rose dragon
As in time warp?
no you just set your phone/computer time to the future
spark plover
Because I did it
eternal delta
Okay, time to stop discussing cheating :)
rose dragon
Because I did it <:trex_skull:657015647359860767>
empty sim is bad devving (as per some other convo lol)
main badge
Just reset ur game mate. And then mod will remove ur jester role
spark plover
empty sim is bad devving (as per some other convo lol)
It is just too good to not use lmao
hazy mesa
Yeah, I just want to make sure I knew what was considered cheating so I don’t accidentally do it lmao
spark plover
Anyways maybe uhh #💬-cells-chat or #🏠-general idk
hazy mesa
Thank you!
rose dragon
theyre gonna "fix" it in this update (make it worse and maybe add spam rebooting? idk the math dept is still out on that one)
the math is such that the boost from the new one is better for like the first 10 days, so spam rebooting gets a buff from time crystals and chambers more so than it used to
whether thats the main thing that effects spam rebootings power is up to other people to work on
rose dragon
theyre gonna "fix" it in this update (make it worse and maybe add spam rebooting...
heres the graph, red is new and its counted in days
spark plover
heres the graph, red is new and its counted in days
That's like better honestly
Blue is just too fire
eternal delta
Hmmm, send the previous screenshot again
rose dragon
can you also send the info about the save? like from the manager menu
eternal delta
The one about editing with AI
main badge
Also guys is it just me or
The font is not bold
rose dragon
Also guys is it just me or
thats the wrong font 😭
solar lake
Also guys is it just me or
I had e28 before RR
rose dragon
wait is it?
spark plover
What
spark plover
Oh yeah they use normal notation
rose dragon
i am worried about this tho
spark plover
Also guys is it just me or
The numbers aren't even on the same level
It's like they're ed- edi-
spark plover
Hmmm, send the previous screenshot again
Why is bro taking so long to
rose dragon
Why is bro taking so long to
ran out of AI credits
spark plover
🙏
spark plover
Lmfao
eternal delta
Man
rose dragon
like almost the exact same stats
dude you did jack all
either they cheated prev and didnt get marked or somethings up
why dont you have bird at lvl 74????
eternal delta
Not sure if you transfer the save back it clears the cheat mark
It shouldn't but maybe
rose dragon
idk how mobile stores stuff but i think all the cheater marks are per save?
eternal delta
No clue honestly, devs are keeping it secret for a reason
Anyway those meso and beyond stats are clearly edited
spark plover
Badly edited
rose dragon
yeah
spark plover
Pray to that AI for its best
rose dragon
dude the font is public knowledge how did you mess it up
eternal delta
!mute 1436866746916143126 6h Repeatedly lying about not cheating
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Muted xanderiscool0986 for 6 hours (Case #4335) (user notified with a direct message)
rose dragon
solar lake
At ~12 I am gonna leave
solar lake
Foot note
spark plover
Someone can't accept the fact that they have cheated
jagged bramble
did they drag it
west lily
Finished
digital hill
signal cairn
tbh i cant understand how i feel about this channel being total chaos going crazy day by day
should i take it as funny or worry or get confused
but apart of those thing
i feel like we need some rework in this beta channel/category
arctic blaze
y'all remember when there were only 17 episodes
signal cairn
y'all remember when there were only 17 episodes
yup
i also remamber when they wasnt
spark plover
I don't understand why people are mentioning beta stuff in anything but this channel
signal cairn
I don't understand why people are mentioning beta stuff in anything but this cha...
newbie (new people start playing game like 1-2 months) getting easy acsess to beta and dont know how things should oprate
spark plover
Real
But seriously though many are misusing channels badly
-# Including me :p (sometimes)
signal cairn
But seriously though many are misusing channels badly
That's why I suggested/requested for another chennal (bit more serious/focused channel) few days ago with only selected players access to it
I'm not criticising devs or mod
In my opinion Its good they aren't too strict
But I also think we (players/testers) should be some .....
signal cairn
That's why I suggested/requested for another chennal (bit more serious/focused c...
So this is more like middle ground solution
agile hornet
Jester role stays
ah, creating the role of jester has been my best decision of the year
Aaaand, im working in ||new progression discord roles||
terse delta
ah, creating the role of jester has been my best decision of the year
Whats the jester role for?
New circus exploration event!
agile hornet
Whats the jester role for?
cheaters, and people who react to #🏆-share-your-prestige , but the last one case can be removed if they say they won't do it again (and they really do it)
i removed 2 jester because reacting
spark plover
Aaaand, im working in ||new progression discord roles||
Nice
undone stream
What happened to automation section? It's not there anymore 
spark plover
"To ensure a smoother launch, we’ve temporarily disabled Automation and Beyond Episode 30 in this build."
Smh
spark plover
Lmao
signal cairn
undone stream
I didn't know about the existence of this channel. I'm not on discord all the time, and every time I get here there's always hundreds of notifications everywhere. But thanks @spark plover for helping.
subtle barn
I know I'm not in the beta testers program but can anyone tell me what automation is?
I don't mind getting spoiled.
spark plover
Basically a system to automatically buy nodes for you right after Simulation Reboot
subtle barn
Basically a system to automatically buy nodes for you right after Simulation Reb...
Oh so basically speed run pro max?
signal cairn
Oh so basically speed run pro max?
technically no
bleak moon
Oh so basically speed run pro max?
Kinda. It's slower than manual, but it allows latte strats
subtle barn
Ok wait let me rephrase:
You don't have to do much pro max
bleak moon
yeah preetty much
modern briar
GUYS
bleak moon
Hmm?
modern briar
MY FRIEND HAVE MY DISCORD ACCOUNT
jovial trellis
agile hornet
MY FRIEND HAVE MY DISCORD ACCOUNT
don't give it to anyone, it's only yours
modern briar
Yeah this is my account
sullen forum
Does anyone know what happened to automation?
solar lake
bitter forge
Hey Beta Testers! Automation is off the table for this release mainly since we need to polish it a lot more and didn't want to release it without being sure it is as good as it can be. It will be back in beta in the future and we plan to keep on improving it and testing it here. Thank you very much for all your feedback on it so far 🙏
On another note, I am now HIGHLY focused on fixing the 21-day meta.
Would love to hear your thoughts on the new time chambers we released over the weekend and any suggestions or improvements you may have to them!
spark plover
Hey Beta Testers! Automation is off the table for this release mainly since we n...
People keep asking about it the devs have to elaborate
neat bay
Do you want to add bacteria to the tree?
neat bay
Do you want to add bacteria to the tree?
@bitter forge
spark plover
On another note, I am now HIGHLY focused on fixing the 21-day meta.
Would love ...
So the empty sim run exploit is being fixed, that's good to hear
Don't think I have major problems with the new time chambers as of now
spark plover
Do you want to add bacteria to the tree?
Is bacteria even in one of the roadmaps I forgot
bitter forge
I'm not sure - It might be 😁
I'm primarily involved in the core development work around upgrades and balancing the content and the game to make it feel fun.
spark plover
I'm not sure - It might be 😁
I'm primarily involved in the core development w...
Balancing the content?!
#BuffBackE29
solar lake
Is bacteria even in one of the roadmaps I forgot
Nah
bitter forge
Only primary sim content for me! Another team works on the beyond.
solar lake
I'm pretty sure Jonny meant a tree for bacteria, given it's an entire domain simplified into 1 upgrade
neat bay
In the primary sim
bitter forge
So if you have thoughts on time chambers, reality engine upgrades, molluscs, etc. -- specifically the numbers behind them, that's what I work on.
neat bay
Ok.
solar lake
Are any of these in your cards?
neat bay
Yes
spark plover
Only primary sim content for me! Another team works on the beyond.
...Oh
Yeah I think the only major issue rn is the empty sim run exploit
bitter forge
Yeah so the most recent beta was an attempt to fix that. We boosted the short-term gain of the time chambers so that shorter runs reward the player a bit more.
Ideally, both long-term runs and short runs are both good metas to play. However definitely NOT the intended effect for players to just not doing anything for 14 / 21 days and then start playing.
Right now the concept of just doing an empty sim run can't be completely fixed without us adding in some new game mechanic that scales over time.
neat bay
My empty sim run was so fast that I got to 1 Trequinquagintillion!
spark plover
Because the effects affect all fills after afaik? So the early fills get boosted to the max too
mortal coral
On another note, I am now HIGHLY focused on fixing the 21-day meta.
Would love ...
As far as i can analyse it, the current changes did not change anything fundamental about the empty sim strat. Instead of 21 days you do it now 14 days and in general metabit/knowledge gain is nerfed into the ground with any playstyle.
The core of the empty sim problem is not that its 21 days, its that the metabit/knowledge crystals apply during fill time and not retroactively to all fills in the current run.
You can nerf and buff the chambers around how much u like, if the fundamental problem is not adressed, the empty sim will stay the best strat.
spark plover
That means the effects must affect all fills, including the ones before the effect applies too
neat bay
My empty sim run was so fast that I got to 1 Trequinquagintillion!
@bitter forge
spark plover
...There's no need to ping them for that
bitter forge
Yeah I'm reading 🙂
Also if you share values, it's a lot easier for me to understand scientific values - i.e. 1e25 vs 1 Trequinquagintillion
neat bay
I know that
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spark plover
Yea that's 1e162
neat bay
Almost to 12pm
bitter forge
As far as i can analyse it, the current changes did not change anything fundamen...
Agreed. It would likely be too confusing to have it apply retroactively, so not sure if that's an option but I'll think through what that might look like.
Ideally if there's another mechanic that requires you to play to progress, then that would partially fix the problem.
For example, if the time chambers didn't fill up UNLESS you got a certain amount of entropy & ideas, then it would force you to actually play and kill the 14-day meta.
bleak moon
Agreed. It would likely be too confusing to have it apply retroactively, so not ...
Or have something to lock *bit generation behind getting 1 of the respective generators, ie mb don't compute shit until you have DNA and k until stone age?
Would that work?
Crass phrasing aside
bitter forge
I think people would then still just wait 14 days for the time chambers to fill up then begin playing
Also how do I use the notation-calc Electorus. Didn't know that was a thing 🙂
spark plover
Or have something to lock *bit generation behind getting 1 of the respective gen...
Translation: Metabit time chambers start when you purchase DNA and Knowledge time chambers start when you purchase Stone Age
neat bay
Yes
bleak moon
Translation: Metabit time chambers start when you purchase DNA and Knowledge tim...
So make time Chambers not roll- yes
spark plover
Also how do I use the notation-calc Electorus. Didn't know that was a thing 🙂
/notation-calc, although it can only convert sci -> normal/custom, I'm working on the opposite conversion
bitter forge
That would definitely fix the issue I think. Key question for us is
- How do we communicate that
- How do we ensure it's not confusing to players.
terse delta
the strategy of doing absolutely nothing is somehow working
bleak moon
So make time Chambers not roll- yes
To not punish early players, do until e/s >0.... rather than >= 1
bitter forge
I mean, you could just cause simulation time to not start until you buy amino acid
mortal coral
Agreed. It would likely be too confusing to have it apply retroactively, so not ...
Yeah the last part would force fix it.
Just put some node somewhere quite late in the tech tree and before that crystals dont fill (chambers are kinda unimportant for the empty sim strat)
Stone age like electorus Said, or even a bit later.
It must be something in the idea tree tho
bitter forge
It's not my favorite fix to this issue cause it's a bit heavy handed, but it's definitely a fix.
mortal coral
If u take amino acid you can do empty sim for knowledge gain still
terse delta
whats empty sim strategy?
bleak moon
That would definitely fix the issue I think. Key question for us is
1) How do w...
Communicate "until time starts having an effect upon generators, respective time crystals are disabled to not overload the sim"
bitter forge
whats empty sim strategy?
You don't play until all the time chambers are maxed out. So you max metabits / knowledge for every single fill.
spark plover
whats empty sim strategy?
What you are doing apparently
subtle barn
That would definitely fix the issue I think. Key question for us is
1) How do w...
Can it be something like the next fill will also add up the multiplier for all other respective fills that they were not given because the time chamber hadn't been filled yet?
So it's pretty hidden and doesn't need to be communicated that much
bleak moon
If u take amino acid you can do empty sim for knowledge gain still
I mean, if you only unlock e crystals on purchase of amino
terse delta
You don't play until all the time chambers are maxed out. So you max metabits / ...
Oh
mortal coral
I mean, if you only unlock e crystals on purchase of amino
Think thats still worth it. 1 amino acid is not a big impact.
terse delta
Honestly locking metabit and entropy time chambers until you buy the first generator would be good
and ideas same thing but its stone age
but it should be compensated with some buffs because your essentially losing alot of potential metabits if your like really stacked on upgrades
mortal coral
Yeah without empty sim game will be a total slog lategame, but can be fixed after
spark plover
Think thats still worth it. 1 amino acid is not a big impact.
Make more layers, then, first time chamber starts at Amino Acid, second starts at like idk Sponge or smth, and so on
neat bay
Yes
terse delta
I had an upgrade idea which makes time chambers work faster
like beyond missions
where you boost them temporary and they work harder
bitter forge
I had an upgrade idea which makes time chambers work faster
^That may or may not be coming in a future update 🙂
subtle barn
where you boost them temporary and they work harder
wait this is cool
neat bay
That upgrade could be used to buy time chambers.
mortal coral
Imo best solution would still to Just apply the metabit/knowledge crystal mult to the entire stack of produced currency in the run.
Makes normal run instantly better than empty sim and nothing else need to be done.
But If its not as easy to implement a start requirement is fine i guess
spark plover
Imo best solution would still to Just apply the metabit/knowledge crystal mult t...
Thing is fills are active, not passive, I don't think we can just like "Hey lemme boost the production I've done 3 minutes ago"
bitter forge
A lot of this stuff is less about implementing it (hard, but doable), but more about how it's communicated to everybody
subtle barn
Rephrasing my idea so the gameplay isn't affected too much:
When you start a simulation and buy generators then each fill does this:
fill value + added metabits from the increase in the multiplier of time chambers?
(nvm my message is useless)
bitter forge
A retroactive boost to previously earned currency is hard to communicate lol
spark plover
High chance to make confusion, yes
Anyways I have to go for now, imma come back in like 7 hours
bitter forge
I'll probably be gone by then, but I'll be around tomorrow around this time too 🙂
mortal coral
A retroactive boost to previously earned currency is hard to communicate lol
Why? Its just the current run. Its actually how new players understand it.
Its harder to communicate why empty sim is better than normal atm 
slim flicker
Eepy
subtle barn
A retroactive boost to previously earned currency is hard to communicate lol
What if, we don't need to communicate because all this high tech stuff doesn't go into my brain 😭
*gets flamed
bleak moon
Make more layers, then, first time chamber starts at Amino Acid, second starts a...
I like this layered approach
Maybe have a free "crystal on" trophy to communicate to players?
subtle barn
I think if the layered approach is applied then the time crystals have to be made more potent because then a lot of metabits and knowledge is actually lost.
Or maybe not and I'm just dumb
bleak moon
Idk the numbers tbh
subtle barn
WAIT I ACTUALLY GOT A REALLY GOOD IDEA:
There could be an upgrade in the reality engine for 10,000 or 15000 metabits (or whatever value), that will do the compensation for the previous fill. It's a cheap upgrade that comes early game that will heavily boost late game. Since it's an upgrade the communication issue is solved. It also solves the empty sim issue pretty early game as I hope metabits are earned very quickly.
@bitter forge (sorry for ping)
It may be hard to implement but it checks out most boxes.
The description could be like,
"Optimises the time chambers for best efficiency" or something else but you get the point I hope.
bitter forge
Will run that and all the other ideas by the team 🙂. Think we're pretty close to release though so we probably won't be changing tooooo much.
solar lake
~20 minutes for my poll is finished, and ~40 minutes till I leave the server
bleak moon
Will run that and all the other ideas by the team 🙂. Think we're pretty close t...
Could be a later "release hotfix" update
Or a "just missed the release window" update
Or similar phrasing to not have to wait a month to fix the empty Sim strats
But if you need a month to get assets anyway, then nvm that
solar lake
neat bay
yes we did it
solar lake
I voted for the Avalon Explosion
neat bay
And I voted the bacteria tree & the Cambrian explosion.
granite wadi
When is the sea bunny coming
wild crow
Soon
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timber ice
Jimmy, I am curious about the progression of the Metabit boost II. How is 10 days and change out if a total of 14 days end up with 63% of the total boost? Would love to understand the math behind that ...
Am I missing something here?
storm ferry
Jimmy, I am curious about the progression of the Metabit boost II. How is 10 day...
looks like you're not missing something
meager bone
Will run that and all the other ideas by the team 🙂. Think we're pretty close t...
The main problem Jimmy when you are active in another not primary sim you get x2 boost to time in primary sim, like 21d = 10.5. and there are some crazy people that runs 24/7 their device in another sim to use this bug. This definitely should be fixed
bitter forge
Jimmy, I am curious about the progression of the Metabit boost II. How is 10 day...
There's a linear scaling portion to the boost and an exponential scaling to the boost. So the rate it increases scales up over time.
^First time I'm hearing about that bug about running another sim. Definitely something we will look into when we have the time.
old ember
What happened to automation?
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old ember
flighht
bitter forge
Automation is being pushed back to another release since there's a lot more work we want to do on it before it's ready.
However it will be a part of our beta releases going forward!
meager bone
^First time I'm hearing about that bug about running another sim. Definitely som...
It's very known bug, and if you will force to 14 days, it means for those people it will take just 7 days to get full boosts
rose dragon
There's a linear scaling portion to the boost and an exponential scaling to the ...
hey I saw your other messages about fixing the empty sim strat and you're totally right about player communication (I think I brought that up a few times when talking about the first fix lol), I think it could be possible to have the efficiency multiplier activate once the player reboots, and that could be shown in many ways (I.e. in the "are you sure" menu, in the time chambers/crystals menu, in each metabit/knowledge menu) but without making it apply to all fills at once, the bug will always exist in some form
rose dragon
hey I saw your other messages about fixing the empty sim strat and you're totall...
to go off of the heavy-handed idea you suggested, there can still be empty sim use by just buying 1 gen instead
neat canyon
heres even a video for proof
bitter forge
Yeah. Unfortunately on all the ideas floated, most of them are just a bit too complicated or will have other side-effects, so I don't think we will be able to fix the empty sim strategy in the near-term. However it is top of mind.
The main, long-term fix for it is to have another upgrade system and currency which will create incentives for different play styles (i.e. not just sitting around doing nothing for 14 - 21 days). However, that is at least a few releases out.
rose dragon
The empty sim strategy? <:ayaka_confused:1216182703213248532>
there's an upgrade in the reality engine called the time crystals and they give a multiplier to your metabits and knowledge which increases over time, but because the multiplier is applied only once the fill is completed, it's better to wait for the crystals to max out, so that all your fills get the largest boost
it's called empty sim because you can't buy any generators while doing the strat
wintry relic
Alr I'm gonna make my daily beyond ep 30 complaint
I don't like ep 30
It's bad
It's too long
And it only has 2 generators
barren terrace
it's called empty sim because you can't buy any generators while doing the strat
Ah okay, ty for explaining
tardy plover
And it only has 2 generators
I low-key agree, they should make it like somewhere between 20-28 thingys
rose dragon
most ranks have around 3-4 generators, making the last one have 20 would be absurd bloat, (50 quests is also bloat, but 20 generators is even more so)
tardy plover
I meant 20-28 objectives
barren terrace
We’re most likely getting 5 generators for E30
rose dragon
I meant 20-28 objectives
oh ok yeah that makes sense
high viper
We’re most likely getting 5 generators for E30
knowing it only had 2 generators for E30 before i some what doubt it'll have more but you can only find out once it's out again
barren terrace
knowing it only had 2 generators for E30 before i some what doubt it'll have mor...
Ending nodes 1-3 I think will become generators
And given E30s theme + mission count, I can see there being more than two generators
spark plover
Alr I'm gonna make my daily beyond ep 30 complaint
This is already repetitive
spark plover
Will run that and all the other ideas by the team 🙂. Think we're pretty close t...
How about making the time chambers painfully slow in the beginning, then have some ready existing primary sim upgrades boost their speed? These upgrades can be high up in the idea tree (maybe at time themed upgrades like pendulum clock), and for communication, just add the descriptions of the upgrades? (e.g. "Time Chambers Speed x2")
rose dragon
it still wouldnt fix empty sim tho, itd just make it take longer, unless the time difference was like a month vs a day
(like its a 10000x boost, so you have to counteract that with some equiv in time)
subtle barn
There are realistically only three solutions:
• Make a new reality engine upgrade that optimises the time crystals. (Complicated)
• Overhaul the entire simulation (never happening)
• New playtime currency (easier but now what will we do with this)
spark plover
Make something like Time Fragments that has a passive rate based on the production of Entropy/Ideas then use it to fill the Time Chambers? Idrk
subtle barn
But still using empty sim is still better because the core problem, that the previous fills are not boosted is still not given attention.
Unless the time fragments are op with production, empty sim is still the better strat
rose dragon
i think since removing empty sim might not be possible, just making a different actually fun strat better would work, i suggested in another place that a reverse/decaying time system would be helpful (where overtime the boost gets worse) which makes early play better
signal cairn
What happened to automation?
spark plover
i think since removing empty sim might not be possible, just making a different ...
Reminds me of AD's playstyle tree split
You get to choose the playstyle you want each reboot /nsrs
rose dragon
yeah lol that was my inspo
i talked to the dev that was here earlier abt it and i think they found it good, have to wait till the update its planned to come out in tho
random sand
Not sure if this fits here, but logits should have some other use too, I bought everything and now they are just increasing
mortal coral
Idk why not just take the simple solution of applying time crystal retroactively 
But i guess u can make it complicated even if there are easy solutions
Hardest part would be to write the tooltip properly
But atm we got nothing about it too, so whatever
mortal coral
i think since removing empty sim might not be possible, just making a different ...
Sounds aweful tbh.
Just incentivise spam rebooting again.
We need decently long runs that are not empty sim.
Also empty sim can be fixed easily, its just that someone needs to decide which solution to do.
rose dragon
Idk why not just take the simple solution of applying time crystal retroactively...
the dev that was here called this too complicated
mortal coral
Thats 10mins of coding, 1h of fixing tooltips, 1 week of Testing and pushing through Qa
rose dragon
Sounds aweful tbh.
Just incentivise spam rebooting again.
We need decently long ...
more intermittent boosts could be helpful then
rose dragon
Thats 10mins of coding, 1h of fixing tooltips, 1 week of Testing and pushing thr...
not in work but in player communcation
ill see if i can link it
spark plover
Idk why not just take the simple solution of applying time crystal retroactively...
Isn't it like, unintuitive or smth
What's the word
Like, it doesn't make sense to me
"Hey lemme boost the production I've done 3 minutes ago"
mortal coral
not in work but in player communcation
No, simply wrong, atm there is no communication how they work and they work intuitively.
They would actually need to do nothing in player communication.
They could do something like Show how the mult is applied and when, but thats optional.
Not worse than now
rose dragon
A retroactive boost to previously earned currency is hard to communicate lol
you actually talked here too
spark plover
Unintuitively
rose dragon
intuitive, then adds -fixes
spark plover
You just missed an e and that's good enough
rose dragon
i understand the devs point of "the currency has been earned so why would you get more for some reason"
spark plover
Again, I don't think it makes sense to boost fills that are already done
rose dragon
but i do think its not the strongest argument
the idea they have of new currency or reverse boosts is helpful against empty sim, and they plan to add more time boosts anyway
spark plover
The ideas I like currently are Layered starting points, Time fragments currency, and the Pace choices
Pace choices sounds the most interesting ngl
rose dragon
whats pace choices?
mortal coral
Atm there are like 20 Players each day asking what empty sim 21d strat is and they dont understand it without explanation.
I think you cant make it worse than right now from a player communication perspective in this department
I get that explaining it right is not easy and they need something new, but you dont need to start perfect for a hotfix
spark plover
Reminds me of AD's playstyle tree split
.
rose dragon
ah right
i suggested that to the dev too but i think they either went to bed or to work so no response yet
mortal coral
Pace choices sounds the most interesting ngl
Would be fine for me if the slow pace wouldnt be empty sim
If i have the option between spam rebooting and empty sim i take empty sim.
But tbh i want just normal idle game pace
spark plover
The only downside is that it'll become just either spamming reboots or waiting idly for days doing nothing
rose dragon
i mean "waiting idly" is kinda how idle games work
like that is kinda the way the game is meant to be
spark plover
This is a problem in AD as well, the Passive playstyle (the middleground) is the worst
rose dragon
CTS suffers more just because of its simple gameplay loop
but like saying "make the game more complicated" without direction doesnt help in game design
spark plover
i mean "waiting idly" is kinda how idle games work
"Waiting idly"? Yes. "Doing nothing"? No.
rose dragon
"Waiting idly"? Yes. "Doing nothing"? No.
ig it depends on the time frame too
mortal coral
Also why have all the animated gardens etc if you always just look at mustafa earth?
rose dragon
the game isnt going for a minimalist direction
spark plover
Because of secret achievements stuff, Dodo Ghost Hunt, and the ✨ aesthetics ✨
rose dragon
the point is to look nice
mortal coral
I think we all agree 
rose dragon
The ideas I like currently are Layered starting points, Time fragments currency,...
oh also i didnt answer the other points but i wanna note starting points wont fix it either
like itll just make it weaker, but you can buy like just 1 gen
and time fragments just means you wait till the chambers fill up instead of crystals
spark plover
and time fragments just means you wait till the chambers fill up instead of crys...
I don't understand this point
rose dragon
oh wait actually that might be wrong
spark plover
Time Fragments imt is like something that scales with the production and you can choose to fill it in either Entropy/Idea/Metabit/Knowledge chambers
rose dragon
by scale with production is it like directly a conversion of income?
like some e(n)=n fragments
or is earned like fills are earned
spark plover
My initial idea is passive gain (scale as in by a formula)
I haven't really thought much about it, the main point is that you can choose to boost only one of your stuff, and it resets each Reboot
(come to think of it it's like Research Chips but it's passive gain and resets each reboot... I guess that doesn't make much difference)
rose dragon
it just becomes another currency tho, and adds another step to fills
pace does seem like (one of) the better ideas
spark plover
Yeah it's basically another currency~~, unless you wanna do like "hey spend these fragments for a time flux because the currency is time-themed!" /j~~
spark plover
pace does seem like (one of) the better ideas
It's pretty complicated imo, and it just makes empty sim run become one of the choices, the other being reboot spams
Unless you do some fine tuning there idrk
rose dragon
currency is more complicated than some patch but it seems to be the thing theyre going for
rose dragon
It's pretty complicated imo, and it just makes empty sim run become one of the c...
true, if implemented itd need alot of tweaking (esp since atp in AD you have more things to care about like antimatter, infinites, eternities, etc but in CTS theres like a handful of stats you can meaningfully change)
prime hawk
Actually i got an idea, what if there would be a thing like golden asteroids that would give you time chamber time
That encourages staying active while allowing afk
meager bone
@bitter forge (sorry for the ping, just get the idea combined from discussions)
What about idea to have time chambers that getting worse passing the time, so they are only good from the start, and after upgrades in simulation, some node, you make them better. Game already have this logic in some events
For example, theoretically, x100 multiplier from the start, after 3 days it goes to x10, you buy upgrades in sim, it gets to x50 (x10 x count of upgrades in primary sim or x10 x some individual nodes in sim)
This will make balance in fast runs and long term runs (but you will need to buy upgrades). Just need right mathematical calculations
Ofc I don't know your code base, but since you already implemented this logic in some events, it doesn't sound too hard for implementation. Also communication for users will be clear, and will affect all fills no matter in the beggining or in the end
spark plover
So the boost decays over time, while you have upgrades to push them back up?
I guess that requires some tuning so actually playing it's better than spamming reboots
meager bone
It requires playing from the start, but also you can make idle strat from some point, but it will force you actually to play in game sometimes and not to do empty sim no playing game 10-21 days
slim flicker
Carrot
meager bone
So the boost decays over time, while you have upgrades to push them back up?
I g...
It will looks like parabola
spark plover
I thought it's going to look something like this
meager bone
Or like this, maybe it's better tho
spare compass
Where the hell did automation upgrades moved
spare compass
Hey Beta Testers! Automation is off the table for this release mainly since we n...
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Yeah okay
jagged bramble
When do you guys think first sea bunny beta will be
bleak moon
Oooo~
timid lion
high viper
did anyone notice that there is a new achivment here? (idk if this is new or not)
jade surge
Do they change anything in the beyond?
wind knoll
did anyone notice that there is a new achivment here? (idk if this is new or not...
try checking the steam achievements
wintry relic
Do they change anything in the beyond?
Prices are still ridiculous
I can't progress at all
barren terrace
Prices are still ridiculous
E30 is still very early beta
storm ferry
also new e30 banner
THATS SO DUCKING COOL
warm rune
try checking the steam achievements
Secret achievments don't have steam achievment counterparts iirc
wind knoll
oh yeah mb
open steppe
is anyone whose auto clicker being disabled?
spark plover
Wdym?
steady bramble
also new e30 banner
maybe we're getting big bang generator when ep30 releases? 🤔
high skiff
did anyone notice that there is a new achivment here? (idk if this is new or not...
this
↑
March 14 or 15
spark plover
...Huh
high skiff
But is Chinese
whole patio
But is Chinese
Pi day or smth idk
simple egret
Is ts datamined