💬-cells-chat

[rain rain]

eh, that's a stretch

[mellow carbon]

I hope they fix the 2x time bug (at least I think it's a bug). It looks like they're making changes that nerf empty-sim.

[fallen sand]

Only if you use an autoclicker in non-primary sims
And that happens if you don't use an autoclicker in non-primary sims
So the autoclicker is irrelevant

Remember that offline time isn't 100% efficiency, so it's reasonable to leave the game open all the time
The exploit just incentivizes leaving the game open in event/beyond, but events do that anyway

It's so useful for post-reboot purchases. Nanbots were clearly intended to fill that role but they're far too slow.

[mellow carbon]

Not quite. You can't use an auto-clicker without leaving the game open. If you're not using an auto-clicker, you can close the game.

[rain rain]

sometimes I leave the game open, and I don't use autoclickers

[fallen sand]

Ah, I understand now, your initial wording confused me

I run at per 50ms and even that is too good to ignore. There's just way too many clicks otherwise

[amber canyon]

True. But auto click players are much more likely to leave the game open.

[fallen sand]

Maybe if there was a 'buy all'

[crude latch]

What’s 2x time bug?

[rain rain]

...

[fallen sand]

To be honest, the time exploit wouldn't be super relevant if it wasn't for the empty sim strat

[crude latch]

is the bug that like it’s not working as intended? Or you means one exploit

[fallen sand]

#💬-cells-chat message

[rain rain]

that reminds me of the time when darwinium thing was boosted by research boost in beyond, lol

[fallen sand]

Honestly I don't see a real reason not to refactor bar fills to work retroactively other than legacy code

[rain rain]

also press F for old Gemini (was that the one with +1 to research speed)

F

[fallen sand]

Most other games with prestige currency I've seen calculate the currency at time of prestige, not as it's accured

[mellow carbon]

It makes empty sim better, but so long as there is an effect like time-crystals, being able to move time forward with that will matter. What surprises me is that they don't have the purchasable time skips increase simulation time.

[amber canyon]

I suspect that will come in future, based on extrapolating from the recent beta.

[mellow carbon]

If you leave the game open in events | beyond (and probably meso) when you return to the primary sim, 2x time will pass. (You can see your simulation time in the reality engine display by clicking on the center thing)

[fallen sand]

Fair enough

[rain rain]

literally pay to win

[fallen sand]

That's always been the case

[rain rain]

||should I specify that it was a joke before people try to torch and burn me?||

[mellow carbon]

Most f2p games are pay to win; it's just a matter of how explicit they are about it.

[amber canyon]

That NOT happening was what made me realise it was a strat.

[fallen sand]

I'd say it's mostly about how much influence it has on the game design, which is usually a lot

[mellow carbon]

c2s is (in my opinion) one of the better games at not being p2w. It does have a pretty strong factor of time played to win though. It would take someone over a year if they started today to get to half the badges I have.

[rain rain]

yeah, badges being that important is kind of sad

[swift heron]

Didnt they already talk about the empty sim run last chat

[rain rain]

put on my "source" hat

[fallen sand]

Badges and empty-sim really do seem anti-new-player. Aside from that, I have few complaints

[amber canyon]

For me (late game) the return from paying money is so laughably small for the cost it's not worth it.

[fallen sand]

Usually they try to hook whales early, so by the late-game they'll spend more because the boosts are so anemic

[mellow carbon]

Yea, but that's usually true. The farther along people are the less an incremental dollar helps.

[fallen sand]

Speaking of badges, I really struggled this last event

[swift heron]

But ze ads are worth it

[mellow carbon]

I just remember my sadness playing another game and it being explained to me that the primary person in the guild was going to spend ~$10,000; and the rest of the guild was mostly there to buff them.

[rain rain]

still wish friend system was two-way thing

[fallen sand]

Is there a list of event maps somewhere? The generator/cost ratio was so rough, I felt like I needed to know what was coming before I unlocked it so I could plan my spending

Especially because of the two-currency system

Not sure why but Music didn't feel nearly as bad

[mellow carbon]

This one is erratic in where the spending goes. But my general rule was to watch what was in research and either say I'm spending red to get blue (usually) or blue to get red (especially when research was empty), and then buy the best thing possible at that point. That said, I missed the ranking popup so I don't know if someone sniped me at the end (I'm hoping I got the reward)

[spiral kraken]

I made it to the lungs.

[fallen sand]

I think the main problem was the large gap in red-generators from heart to skin

[fallen sand]

I got to Skin but not really any farther than that

[spiral kraken]

That's what got me too.

[spare crane]

Diablo immortal?

[rain rain]

lol

[fallen sand]

The large cost of upgrades (and jump to skin: 1E16 👀 ) meant a long wait every time something new appeared before you could afford it

[amber canyon]

Sugar is doing them in https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/694901423732686878 I think. Possibly based on Hardiks info?

[mellow carbon]

Huh, your strategy must be a fair bit different. I was on round 3 by the end starting ~48 hours out with 39 badges.

[rain rain]

I do have phone

[fallen sand]

I had 0 badges

[mellow carbon]

IGG Lords Mobile. but I heard Diablo Immortal was similar.

[rain rain]

there is new class in diablo 2, btw

[spare crane]

I spent unreasonable amount of money there as well xD

[mellow carbon]

If you're low on badges, make sure to start the event as soon as possible. Finishing >> ranking.

[rain rain]

awesome AF

[spare crane]

ye warlock incoming

[fallen sand]

I'm talking about finishing, yes. Not too worried about ranking since it's hard to compete against badge-stacking

[indigo atlas]

The problem with events is that the price jumps in upgrades are much higher than their efficiency increase. It basically encourages spending money on Darwinium

[amber canyon]

You know to open the event frequently, right?

[fallen sand]

Some are worse than others, to be sure. Milk/cheese was rough in this sense but much more managable, I felt

[indigo atlas]

I think they should at least make the price jumps smaller.

[fallen sand]

Aye, and I was definitely more lax on this one. Perhaps I could have finished if I went 100% but my complaint still holds.

[rain rain]

still sad the Cryptids one has only +5% buff for the next ones (I know, it's kind of in-line with the rest, but still sad)

[spare crane]

tbh since the the infinity pass introduction I had no problem whatsoever to finish the event every time

[polar viper]

With no badges and zero boosts the events are just hard. Either watch ads for the boost at the start of an Event. Stack it to max via doing something else while Chai watching the ads and start then playing or get Infinity pass

[fallen sand]

No ads on steam 💁‍♀️

[rain rain]

thanks, Gaben

[mellow carbon]

The thing that gets most of the people in events on reddit is playing on steam w/o ads or infinity pass. The boost you get from Ads (4x) is the same as the boost from having infinite badges (tops out at 4x, but no one will ever get there)

Finishing an event with no ads/infinity and no badges seems like it would be hard.

[polar viper]

Yep im on steam too. And i hate ads. So Infinity Pass it is for me.

[fallen sand]

I don't like the difficulty to push IAPs, but that doesn't bother me too much. I'm really just soured on the design of the last event

[amber canyon]

I can finish most events quickly now. But if they brought out a new event, where I had no badges, I'd struggle for motivation.

Cheese took me 9h playing actively when I had no badges for it. That's a lot of effort ...

[polar viper]

And thats with 4x boost ( and maybe offline bonus). Imagine nothing of that

[fluid delta]

Yep. And if they charge darwinium to use it, in anything but very small amounts, and if they leave empty sim as it is, the game would be pretty much embracing "pay to win" at that point.

[fluid delta]

at this point I don't even remember. If they did, I don't know what they said or didn't see it.

[white egret]

the new beta does nerf empty sim alot

[fluid delta]

... Genshin?

[polar viper]

It is already tbh at least till the step where u done with side simulations and have some badges.
But its pretty cheapo p2w for a half mobile game.

[rain rain]

how?

[amber canyon]

Me and you were talking with Arnold and giving him examples.

[fallen sand]

Oh, this even has non-1.15 cost scaling. Is it mono-curency?

[white egret]

im somewhat extrappolating here since ive only seen screenshots but:
it takes 14 days to max out at 10k (in 14 days youd get 26k)
and it doesnt look exponential any more

[fluid delta]

Then... I forgot. I am pretty tired today, didn't sleep well, which is probably why I'm spacing on that atm

[spiral kraken]

I wind up drinking lots of tea in rl during the tea event.

[polar viper]

Nah its just nerfing 21 day empty sim. The concept of empty sim is not changed

Normal play still slower

[white egret]

the non exponential part does mean leaving at 7 days would be better im pretty sure tho

(since the first one takes way less time to fill)

[polar viper]

Still empty sim

[white egret]

eh fair

i also did say nerf

[spare crane]

feck. I really hoped they would actually kill the empty sim strat completely

[polar viper]

7 days would be way more chill tho

[rain rain]

I'm just not sure whether it'd be possible to just make time buff affect stuff retroactively during the run. Like even the previous fills, and everyhing is fine

[white egret]

the system itself is flawed so theyd have to change either the crystals, or the fills to fix it

[amber canyon]

As someone who likes doing long runs, I'd like them to fix the issue that not playing is substantially better than playing. Hmph.

[fallen sand]

Long runs strictly outscaling short runs by so much is a problem
Empty runs being a viable strategy is a related, but distinct, problem

[white egret]

if they applied the boost to your bank instead of the fills maybe?

[spare crane]

the only thing they have to do is to remove the metabit/knowledge efficiency benefitting from time. That is all they have to do.

[rain rain]

or maybe if they applied only at reset

like in the end

[polar viper]

Nah that would nuke the entire gain. Would need a rebalance of the entire primary sim

[fallen sand]

Again, this is solved by calculating fill rewards at any point instead of locking them in at time of fill

[white egret]

but how do you show that to a new player, it still has to be readable

[amber canyon]

Wouldn't that end up with Spam-Rebooting being the meta?

[white egret]

yeah prob

[fallen sand]

That fixes empty sims, but not long runs, yes. As Kf says, without time-scaling you end up with spam-reboots

This is not a problem unique to C2S

[rain rain]

also 21 day is too long anyway, imo

[spare crane]

no, as long as they lower the early metabit curve gain

[white egret]

they need some sort of time boost that is retroactive to promote normal play

actually with just chambers that might be true?

[spare crane]

production/time is sufficient for this

[fallen sand]

Again, this is solved by calculating fill rewards at any point instead of locking them in at time of fill

[white egret]

theres like 50 different ways to fix this, CL just choose the one that didnt fix it

[rain rain]

"the amount of metabits you get at reset depends on how much time you've spent in this sim" wouldn't that help slightly?

[amber canyon]

Yeah, I think that's an artefact if buying so much in the first few minutes though? Rather than the metabits curve itself being weird.

[spare crane]

spam reboot was only efficient because the equation they used had too much of a steep curve at the beginning

[white egret]

the fills curve is weird

hold on i might have the graph

oh wait no i was thinking of something else

fills is just ~ x+e^x

[polar viper]

Yeah first 1k fills u do in the first minute, because u buy everything there

[spare crane]

I mean at this point I would support anything that emoves empty sim strat, I love the gardens, and all those little things there. Looking at the dead planet for 21 days is terrible

[white egret]

hold on i need to find the inverse of this function give me a moment

[rain rain]

yeah, not playing the game is better than playing it. peak

[lone bronze]

I want amphibians I need amphibians

[amber canyon]

I have a separate device with a populated garden. Because I like the gardens and the models ...

[fallen sand]

Even if there's no trivial summation formula it's not difficult to do a stepwise calculation
And from what I can tell there's no actual impact of accumulating the fill rewards at fill-time since they're not granted until prestige
Just refactor the darned code

[spare crane]

imagine a world when you can actually play the game and enjoy all those little things they introduced into it xD

[polar viper]

Tbh removing empty sim viability wont be as easy, but getting normal play on par should be easy enough.
I think the changes in beta atm are ok to lower the problem a bit for sure.

[rain rain]

also timer could start after first generator or something

[spare crane]

empty sim as such is just that easy. The only reason is knowledge/metabit eficiency benefitting from time. Which it should never

[fallen sand]

That would just push for near-emtpy sim, no?

[spare crane]

same thing. buy 1 aminoacid and abandon the game

[white egret]

ok here is the graph, x axis is the exponent of entropy, y is the fill count

[rain rain]

would that fill so little?

[polar viper]

It should or we end up in reboot spamming, time should apply to all gains in the run. The fill system is the problem.

[fallen sand]

Currently you can get something like 1E6x efficiency on max-delay vs spam, I think?

[spare crane]

I already responded to that. Spam rebooting is/was beneficial because production curve from fills was too steep

[fallen sand]

You'd have to pick a "start point" that fills enough to disincentivize waiting further, but then you run in to the issue of metabit time-scaling being insignificant on longer runs

[spare crane]

Or if this runs too deep and I am too supericial, remove the fills system altogether(but Ihave no idea how to go from this point forward)

[fallen sand]

And that point would need rebalancing based on how 'strong' the player is, or whenever something changes the progression curve

Empty sim is 100% because of the fill reward lock-in. Dynamically calculate it and that goes away

[spare crane]

just kill the empty sim please

[white egret]

it also depends on how long the devs want a run to be, like did they intend for us to wait 21 days each time?

[spare crane]

nope. Its both fills and fills efficency x time

[fallen sand]

I really dont' know why it's exponential and not logarithmic

[amber canyon]

So looks toe like the issue isn't a weird curve. Just that you buy so much at the start?

[white egret]

so its harder to fill the later ones

[fallen sand]

If you do not lock in the fill rewards, then:
Wait 21 days, play, get 100 fills, get X metabits
Play 21 days, get 100 fills, get X metabits
Are exactly the same

[polar viper]

Yes

[fallen sand]

Except playing would get you more fills

[white egret]

yeah, actually i have data of a run i did a while ago so i can check that

[polar viper]

"Curve" gets weird because u buy everything at start

[spare crane]

they are not. The second solution allows you to play the game while you wait

the first doesnt

[fallen sand]

Yes, that's the point

[amber canyon]

I thought they'd set it at ~1 month to tie in with their notional update schedule.

[spare crane]

ye thought the same

[fallen sand]

The only reason we're stuck with the first one is that currently you don't get X metabits from 100 fills if you play the game.
You get, say, X/100 or whatever because the fill efficiency is locked in at the time of fill

[amber canyon]

And I hate that.

(or the effect of it)

[white egret]

the spreadsheet is a little large (like 14 by 50000) so its taking a while to load

the pattern is obvious, no matter the statistic

[fallen sand]

I meant the time scaling upgrades. They're 1 + linear + exp, instead of 1 + linear + log( or some similar funciton)

[white egret]

(i belive the bottom right one is fills, you can at most gain 1 fill per second)

sorry 1 per frame

[amber canyon]

Did you sneeze on the top right one? If so, bless you 😁

[white egret]

and i run at 60fps, so 60 per second

[rain rain]

https://giphy.com/gifs/this-is-fine-2UCt7zbmsLoCXybx6t

[white egret]

lol, tapping really is that good

its also not log

so all the data is sqished

wow... who couldve seen this coming...

[crude latch]

I finally got a division that wasn’t filled with people who would always get ahead of me soon as I hit top 10, so I got top 10 for first time since my first event which was like four events ago

[copper wraith]

congrats

[crude latch]

so hyped I really needed the top 10 rewards

[amber canyon]

You're now a pro!

[crude latch]

Thank you ! I just got to series 2 in beyond so this will be so helpful
And so far every event I’ve been in has had people who somehow are so fast probably have like multiple badge upgrades cause even when I played a ton each day still got ahead every time I hit top 10

[copper wraith]

that's great

[amber canyon]

I bet - like Nora said - it'd be hard to unpick the emergent curve. While the shoe is the same, the detail will vary depending on a lot of game stuff.

[copper wraith]

nora from last of us?

[amber canyon]

😁.

Nora, from a recent conversation.

[copper wraith]

mb

[white egret]

really im just assuming at lim inf it becomes either constant or linear depending on the exact number

also i could only record 50000 frames cause otherwise it might run out of space/ refuse to load

a textfile with the data is already 700kb, and converting to spreadsheet and adding graphs is like 4x that

[amber canyon]

I remember when I was keeping data when the reboot first came out (before your time) the behaviour of metabits and knowledge growth after the crystals capped surprised me.

Can't remember why though.

(and probably has changed since then)

[white egret]

when i finish my empty sim run ill record more data just to see if there are any differences in the curves

[fallen sand]

Dangit, this event's a double-currency as well

[amber canyon]

Just got onto the leaderboard of the Semblance game. Nice 😁.

[amber canyon]

I tend to think of them as one of the upgrades is obviously going to be next to buy. So I just spend the other currency on generators.

[white egret]

the way they do the double currency ones can no so annoying sometimes (cough cough body cough cough)

like yeah its lore accurate but still

wait which one was the one we just did

[fallen sand]

Body

I started a rudimentary tracking for this one as I'm going, since I can't be bothered to go dig up the source data

Will probably slap it into Visio when I'm done so I have a rubric for next time

[white egret]

the files are also annoying to read

wdym by tracking also?

[fallen sand]

I'm jsut logging the unlock requirements as I go

[white egret]

ah does the wiki not have it?

[fallen sand]

I have a simple cost-efficiency calc but it's too rudimentary for cross-currency

Mmm, let me check the wiki to see

[fallen sand]

It does, that saves me some work 👍

[white egret]

any calculator like that would need a decent depth too, so it'd be a bit harder to calculate

(I'm using depth like how they do in chess)

[fallen sand]

Yep, too much work to bother

[white egret]

like you'd need 4 generators or upgrades of depth to make good decisions or smth like that

[fallen sand]

I'll probably do a semi-manual pass to get a rough guideline and stick with that

[white egret]

since branching is limited it might be possible to partially brute force it

[fallen sand]

Exactly

[white egret]

I mean the game is technically solvable, no one has put the work in to solve it tho

[fallen sand]

Even just local maxima are fine since it'll either be comparable to first-guess

[fallen sand]

I have a greedy-calc for next generator/upgrade for primary sim, but predicting RE upgrades or unlock branches is a headache and depends a lot on playstyle

[white egret]

also the TOS of not looking at game files makes it harder

[fallen sand]

Still, the core gameplay is simple enough compared to something like Realm Grinder

That upgrade tree is a mess, I'm not surprised they're still discovering new strats

[coarse narwhal]

Is it only for me that opening the geodes in mesozoic valley lags the game a lot in the steam version?

Everything else is fine

[white egret]

you could be having #1469488021710835753

is your memory usage high?

[coarse narwhal]

Lmao yes

[coarse narwhal]

Probably?

[white egret]

check if moving from sim to sim changes your memory usage

or lowers it

[maiden spear]

Any advantage to prestige the meso zone? I’m on #4 and it feels silly going through it

[white egret]

it gives a boost to the main sim

check in the reality engine, on the left of the hypercube

[crude latch]

Aw man I’m in a really sweaty division this event nooo, at least I got super chill and easy one last time

[white egret]

if you wait longer youll be put in an easier division

[mellow carbon]

Until near the end. The last 12 hour people are using time boosts and playing constantly.

[white egret]

i wait a day or so

[mellow carbon]

Fun stats on the idle 21 strategy. Last idling I averaged 7.01E+24 metabits/s 5.10E+24 knowledge/s over the entire 16.8 day process (15.8 days to max using the 2x time trick somewhat, and 1 day after buying generators). I just bought almost everything in the tree using those credits, so I only have 30 entropy booster IX and 25 idea booster IX left to buy. 6 minutes after reboot, I'm at 1.96E+23 metabits/s and 1.84E+21 knowledge/s.

[lone rampart]

rainfrog is cute

[white shadow]

wait what happened to the industrial revolution and the eiffel tower event

[inner maple]

I don’t think it has come out yet.

[wary warren]

Where do I find my speedrun times? Need to reapply for all my roles

[white egret]

if you go into the reality engine and open the "current stats" on the stats page you can see your fastest singularity time

[keen mango]

unlocked battery upgrade

[forest anchor]

It's not out as of now

[wary warren]

Ty

Some roles arent obtainable currently right? At least I saw an announcement some time ago

Is it posible to get them still if I have proof of my old account which im not using having them and getting them transfered?

[polar viper]

White name is best role anyways

[wary warren]

Id love to be able to select the used color from the roles one owns

[polar viper]

Thats not how discord works sadly

[left sparrow]

Anyone know what 2 achievements I’m missing

[wary warren]

Ik but its like the one thing I want from Discord (as well as not having me Scan my ID to verify because, why would I want to give it to a company)

[wary warren]

1s

[left sparrow]

Why does that mean

What*

[wary warren]

1s as in give me a moment. Here

[left sparrow]

Ohhhh

[wary warren]

Both are in the Main simulation. You have to tap on them

[left sparrow]

There is llamas?

Got the knight one thank u

[wary warren]

Somewhere yes

[left sparrow]

Time to try to find a llama

Yay now I have all the achievements

[forest anchor]

Congrats

[forest anchor]

That's a pretty short fact you gave me there

[wary warren]

Heh

[flint monolith]

Funi

[amber canyon]

I wish they hadn't nerfed Beyond so hard in the Mollusc update. Sigh.

[keen mango]

i bought the juke box

[forest anchor]

Real

[amber canyon]

I know a lot of us finished it quickly - not surprising given the length of time since the last episode.

But I was settling in for occasional purchases and working towards rank 8 Great Attractor.

But now - because of the nerfing - my Beyond progression is just frozen. Like a fly in amber.

So, instead of having incremental stuff to do, I've got nothing.

They had ages of it being in beta testing to balance it.

[forest anchor]

I have only reached Local Void when the nerf came

Now I'm completely stuck

[amber canyon]

That's even worse than I thought. The nerf has hit players badly who hadn't finished E29? FFS ...

[forest anchor]

😔

[forest anchor]

Umm

What

[grizzled lance]

The real question is... when will i be able to get 500 amphibians for the achievement?

[flint monolith]

3:38 Singularity

💀

My hand

[urban parcel]

in our country

we have a person

[steady dune]

No way unless|| cheating||

[urban parcel]

can do that in 54s

[urban parcel]

.

[amber canyon]

Round about RL74/75.

[wary warren]

Heh

Idk how I only have 152d Overall game time. I had the App for way longer

[amber canyon]

Why are you posting this? This is the 3rd time today.

[prime vale]

cuz teapot funi

[wary warren]

Let him boil

[forest anchor]

I don't understand what is funny about a teapot

[tidal briar]

i i think it would be cool if the event badges in the profile appeared in the order that the events can out instead of the order they were obtained

[lone bronze]

Minecraft and c2s added mollusks with only a few months of difference

Nautilus

[hollow pelican]

bro take a screenshot to know if there are any changes in the garden

[polar viper]

This:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Reference/Status/418

[polar viper]

Yeah same im at 192/200 and i would literally need to wait over 1 month to maybe reach 193/200

[forest anchor]

Huh

[amber canyon]

6 months wait for my next Great Attractor.

(not counting offline doubling with ads)

[forest anchor]

6 months wait for my first Great Attractor.

[amber canyon]

Stupid-@ss 'balancing'

[forest anchor]

[polar viper]

Yes

[forest anchor]

Okay...

[polar viper]

You asked

Kinda

Lets hope they rebalance their rebalancing

[amber canyon]

The sad thing is - because it had been so long since E29, I finished E29 without spending any of the black holes I'd stashed up from events. I just had so many traits ranked up. So it's not a black hole caused problem.

(Since then I spent some BHs to rank my gold trait cards to 6 because why not)

[polar viper]

Just imagine how impossible it must be for people without stacks of black holes. With gold cards at lvl 2 or 3

[amber canyon]

I finished E27 shortly before they released E28 so I wasn't ahead at that point. And didn't spend any black holes since I finished E28 until after finishing E29.

[polar viper]

Aka me
Luckily i got it before the nerf otherwise i would be stuck too

[civic rune]

Mollusks unlocked

Let's go

[tardy nymph]

Hi

[forest anchor]

Hopefully

[chilly gale]

is there a new guide to use logits on?

[amber canyon]

No. There's no need for one.

[chilly gale]

ah

[amber canyon]

They all do the same thing, just a different multiplier and for a different amount of logits. So it's simple maths.

[ionic palm]

does anyone have tips for planets ? im hard stuck on 10th rebirth

[inner maple]

I usually buy them in max

[amber canyon]

There's a pinned comment by jojoseis with guides. It's old,but the Beyond info likely hasn't changed.

[keen mango]

Can badges in explorstion events increase speed in all simulations?

Also is there a way to play older CTS versions?

[forest anchor]

I heard there is but I forgot how

[amber canyon]

You can see their effect on the primary sim by looking at the nodes to the left of the Reality Engine central hypercube.

[pastel kite]

Hehehehe

[worn kernel]

#soft-body-showdown

[quasi ivy]

WHERE IS MY COMBJELLY

YOU CANT DO THIS TO MEEEE

https://tenor.com/view/knight-roaring-knight-deltarune-boss-gif-4552315353866418347

[true vigil]

#soft-body-showdown im gonna be honest i dont see any snails so kinda L selection, i guess im rooting for sea bunny?

[quasi ivy]

snails are the bets ones imo

is the closest thing we will get to insects if we get one of those

[gloomy jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/leaf-sheep-pokemon-pal-pal-world-gif-186434552198212961

[winged socket]

Add the Giant Horse Conch!

[gloomy jacinth]

I want Physarum Polycephalum

[cursive ingot]

Hey, what's a good way of doing the explorations efficently without using darwium for boosting?

[gloomy jacinth]

Not doing it during 2 days ...?

[pastel kite]

There are always shrimp

[pastel kite]

Take some time to use the ads to get your boost time up while you're doing something else

[true vigil]

im gonna be honest the first matchup with leaf sheep and sea bunnies wouldve been the finale matchup if they were split up better

[cursive ingot]

does the web version give you this option as well?

cuz I don't see it

[lofty robin]

Why does this remind me of these "easy decision hard life and hard decision easy life" Philosophical ass videos

[true vigil]

"find solution to problem so problem is solutioned problem solution problem"

[lofty robin]

[thick void]

Soft body show down has so much comp I want them all to be in the game 😮‍💨

[quasi ivy]

shrimps arent molusks

[sullen jolt]

I want GIANT CLAM🐚🐚🐚

Hear me out!!!!

And LEAF SHEEP TOO

[true vigil]

i want leaf bunny and sea sheep

[uncut bramble]

is there an official vote/poll for the mollusc thing here? i havent used reddit in ages so i was hoping to cast my vote on discord

i have a duty to vote on this one as per my username

[amber canyon]

https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/1471914880943657172

[uncut bramble]

thx, couldn't find it for some reason

[true vigil]

for some reason the channel is not showed by default i think

like for me its showing up in reccomended

what the hell from when can you get neutron stars from dailys

i swear it was just gold geodes

[alpine galleon]

The mollusks feel so diff from each other I would lowkey pick 3 😭

[uncut bramble]

that's fine i figure it's to prevent bots from joining and voting or something like that

[alpine galleon]

this is very :3 :3 :3

[amber canyon]

Don't think I ever had gold geodes. Thought it went from sharks to that (once you'd got all the sharks). Could easily be misremembering though.

[chilly walrus]

They should add echinoderms to the game

like sea urchins,starfish,sandollars and sea cucumbers

[gray tapir]

playing c2s on my school computer :D

[slender parrot]

Is there a trick to triggering golden asteroid? Been sitting on this for days. Though I dont really look at the app for more than 10 mins at a time

[tawdry parrot]

Does it automatically upload the cloud save when u close the game?

Cause I dont remember doing it manually at 4:17 pm

[true vigil]

you uh gold the click when it asteroids

(click the gold stuff in garden and tree)

[lofty robin]

Please collect your achievements

-# and use your stars and uh put some missions

[gray tapir]

[fluid delta]

no

[supple sinew]

what badge am I missing?

[swift heron]

What web version

[swift heron]

Cryptids event

[supple sinew]

thanks. that one only has one badge?

[swift heron]

Yes

Its a mini-event

It usually only runs during halloween

It did run once in may tho

[fluid delta]

It's a mini-event only in that it awards only 1 badge.. but it takes the same effort and time as a regular event.

[oblique fable]

Guys let’s be honest sea bunny is prob gonna win this

[supple sinew]

yea. thats who I voted for

[amber canyon]

For me (android) it occasionally uploads. Not always though.

If there's any pattern, it's that when it's in the right mood it does an upload roughly every 24 hours.

[lofty galleon]

I am not dead

[swift heron]

Ye

[quasi ivy]

wth is up with my luck this week

normal neuron star btw

i mean white dwarf

[pseudo isle]

how do you unlock the mollusks? i think you need to have a certain research level but i just wanna make sure

[quasi ivy]

im prety sure u need sim level 71

[magic lichen]

why do I have the impression this event is harder than the others

[inner maple]

The tea event?

[magic lichen]

yes

[hard goblet]

A Halloween event I believe. Looks like you may have to wait a while to get his badge.

[spiral kraken]

I love it when the sharks grab a fish in the Ocean garden and start shaking it with a vapor cloud of blood.

[magic lichen]

wait they do that though they only swim

[spiral kraken]

I know and I think it's funny.

[magic lichen]

it looks like he got a mustache

[inner maple]

To me I don’t find it too hard…the infection one is the hardest for me. The different currencies make it harder to collect some achievements than others, though.

[spiral kraken]

I caught three sharks doing this.

I like the dairy one and the life after apocalypse one.

When I see the Galliformes, I think about fried chicken.

I like the Rocks and the Money one too. And the Dairy one.

Tho I would recommend something to munch on during the Dairy one.

[wind summit]

yall how do i get mollusks becuase i know about the reailty rebbot but it's lowkey hard to udgrade

[tawdry parrot]

Walmart 😭

[wind summit]

how tho

dont question the walmart

[tawdry parrot]

its highkey hard to upgrade

[wind summit]

like why

i need like 4 more udgrades to get to level 71

[wary iron]

Hi all,
Is it me or the offline earnings of Beyond and Meso got less after Mollusk update? Especially Beyond?

[wind summit]

true

why did they do that

[wary iron]

Why??

[wind summit]

its so hard now

[wary iron]

Frustrating 😖

[tawdry parrot]

to lengthen your playtime

[wind summit]

and i dont like using cheats like chaching time becuase they gave my friend a warning not to do that

[wind summit]

i just need mollusks

[tawdry parrot]

lol

just be patient

[wind summit]

im not paitient

[wary iron]

Then wrong decision. Because I lose interest when they do things like that. I mean, it is not honest.

[wind summit]

soo

[tawdry parrot]

play the other simulations and events

[wind summit]

im alredy playing the tea event

[tawdry parrot]

yeah well beyond was already F***** slow

[wind summit]

true

[wary iron]

Are the developers on Discord?

[gusty quest]

yeah but dont ping them

[wind summit]

i think yes

ok

[gusty quest]

theres a suggestion channel

[wind summit]

but why

oh nvm

[tawdry parrot]

u cant ping so dm @ Cells Support

[gusty quest]

its not really a support question though

beyond has always been slow for as far as i can remember

[tawdry parrot]

questions about the gam

[wind summit]

its so hard to level up in the beyond

[gusty quest]

the last few episodes were quicker though (at least they felt like it)

[wind summit]

i dont think so

atleast for me

[wind summit]

what

whats that

[tawdry parrot]

u goin' jail

[gusty quest]

no i mean 28 and 29

i got them done in like... a day?

usually they took me ~1 week if i fully focused on them

[wary iron]

I am so sure that it was faster before Mollusk update

[gusty quest]

but idk

[tawdry parrot]

not everyone is dutch

[gusty quest]

yeah thats true

[wind summit]

i dont really play cells anymore atleast in 2025 so like yh

[gusty quest]

me neither

[wind summit]

ok so does anyone know how to get mollusks

[barren plover]

e29 took me like 4-5h it was really short

[warm lodge]

Update your game

[tawdry parrot]

my issue is moreso that meso gets faster over time via prestige system compared to beyond. Meso's lootboxes are also way more impactful

[quasi ivy]

hello hello

[barren plover]

just continue playing

[wary iron]

I don't like this kind of crafty things. Do not behave sneaky. Just add something to buy to do the simulation faster etc. But dont be sneaky geez

[wind summit]

i dont like playing games for like 4-5 hours

[gusty quest]

level 71 and for that? idk. how long are your runs? do you reset quickly or let it run for a few days before prestieging

[wind summit]

um

the last one

i normally play events

so ig thats why

[quasi ivy]

beyond 28-29 took me like 1 to 2 hours lmao

[gusty quest]

i dont think so really, mezo just scales differently. beyo has the research thingy for more boxes

[tawdry parrot]

What happens to your stuff in beyond after episode 17?

[wary iron]

Where the heck is the Suggestion channel lol

[quasi ivy]

you keep it dw

u just get new stars to open

[wind summit]

yeah where is it

[tawdry parrot]

sorry bro but in meso I got more way gold/silver traits and so much currency

[tawdry parrot]

but what is the new phase supposed to be

differnt starting point?

[quasi ivy]

you will see when u get there

[tawdry parrot]

ok dont spoil

[quasi ivy]

i wont

[wind summit]

ok im just gonna grind the main thing for 3 days bc i have a 4 day weekend

[gusty quest]

huh, usually when people struggle they prestiege too early (or at least thats what i think is happening)

[quasi ivy]

tea is on rn right?

[gusty quest]

yea

[quasi ivy]

alr alr

[tawdry parrot]

just let it idle bro

[wind summit]

so do yall have anymore suggestions

[quasi ivy]

where is extinction i havent seen that one around for ages

[gusty quest]

okay it seems counterintuitive but at the stage youre at in the game it actually isnt that beneficial

[tawdry parrot]

youre gonna run out of content too fast

[wind summit]

ok but how

[gusty quest]

yeah fr im missing the badges for it

[tawdry parrot]

close the game and play smthing else

[wind summit]

i cant leave my cumpoter overnight

idk hopw to spell sorry

[tawdry parrot]

are u a kid?

[wind summit]

no

[quasi ivy]

i dont but still last time i rember extinction being on is more then 2 months ago

[wind summit]

i just dont leave the computer on overnight

[tawdry parrot]

uhuh

cuz ur dad will get upset

[wind summit]

no

atcually

im trying to save the earth

[quasi ivy]

u can also just like close ur game or smt and let the afk earmings do its thing

[wind summit]

ok

[barren plover]

but the game generate resources while afk

[quasi ivy]

yeah that

[tawdry parrot]

its not worth saving

[wind summit]

why iam eating a onion

why

[quasi ivy]

real

[wind summit]

we cant still save it

[quasi ivy]

bring that extinction event already ✨

[barren plover]

btw guys, do u have like a lot of logits that r just useless, i mean i have like +5000

[wind summit]

its not like we can get mars that fast

[quasi ivy]

i got like so many

[wind summit]

i have like only 30

[gusty quest]

time crystals multiply the amount of meta/knowl you get after every fill. if you fill up 1000 fills right at the beginning, you get almost no multiplier through the time crystals. if you fill up 1000 fills after a few days (up to 21 when they max out) then you get a multiplier of up to 10000? or something on every fill

[tawdry parrot]

this button looks so good

[wary iron]

Same here

[tawdry parrot]

thats insane

[quasi ivy]

i got 4040 rn with everything bought

[barren plover]

how many time have u been playing??

[tawdry parrot]

no because im new, not everyone that chats here has played the game for years

[quasi ivy]

i dont wanna know how much darwinium i have spend in my carreer

[gusty quest]

I would wanna know

[wind summit]

not much ive only playing mezo and the beyond

[gusty quest]

at least 1k

[tawdry parrot]

'career'

[quasi ivy]

ogs arent used to newbies i guess

[gusty quest]

cause modules

[thin notch]

Blem

[quasi ivy]

eh you get what im trying to say

[gusty quest]

legacy

[barren plover]

yeah i know but i don't think u have that much to spent compared to how much u get, i mean at least in my account i gain like 50-75 logits every 4-5 days

[quasi ivy]

sob

[gusty quest]

oh my god

[tawdry parrot]

this game isnt a career is my point

[polar viper]

at least u have stuff maxed

[wind summit]

. i get that in like a half a month

[gusty quest]

maxing all upgrades is crazy work

[quasi ivy]

i get 100 loggits every exploration event cuz of getting top 10 every time

[quasi ivy]

it was ment as a metaphore not litterally

[quasi ivy]

im scared to calculate how many cubes it is

[surreal ore]

~5k

[quasi ivy]

ah

90 euros worth of cubes

[surreal ore]

Yeah

[tawdry parrot]

😎

[quasi ivy]

fuck my infinity pass is running out

[barren plover]

wow

[surreal ore]

That's 14.99 again lol

[quasi ivy]

good that i notice in time

[quasi ivy]

i got a monthly subscribtion to the infinity pass fr

all my life savings going into this game!!!

[surreal ore]

That's the way ✨

[quasi ivy]

(its not even 1% of my total money 😭)

[surreal ore]

💀

[tawdry parrot]

meso is so fast after prestiging wow

[gusty quest]

ah p2p

[quasi ivy]

i refuse to ever watch any ads ever again

[gusty quest]

i also refuse to

i put on youtube

[barren plover]

the problem with meso is the last achievement

[gusty quest]

with ublock origin my beloved

[surreal ore]

Nah f2p until you spend money 🗣️

[quasi ivy]

that took me like 5 years to get it

[gusty quest]

and then glance at my phone every minute or so

[barren plover]

it was horrible

[quasi ivy]

not optimal grinding ofc

but still

[gusty quest]

yeah, but the person i mean

[wind summit]

how long do i go offline cells for the mollusks and everything

[gusty quest]

how 😭

[polar viper]

if u save up the mutagens the giga achievement isnt hard, but u gotta know first

[gusty quest]

yup

[quasi ivy]

i used to be f2p but this game deserves my monnies

[gusty quest]

i went in with 3e6 (3 million)

and i got it within a day

[barren plover]

btw, does anyone have the last two archivements of amphibians during the last update or it was impossible as i tought

[quasi ivy]

i mean ive been playing it since i was like 8

[gusty quest]

pretty sure its impossible

[quasi ivy]

and it tought me loads off stuff 6 years before i learned about it at school

[surreal ore]

That's easy bruh

[wind summit]

what are the achivements

[quasi ivy]

i got the 500 one for amphibians

[gusty quest]

amphibs or giga?

[gusty quest]

either way a certain number of them each

[wind summit]

the giga one uhh whats that one i think i might have it

[gusty quest]

200

[quasi ivy]

i love those fucking stupid puns in the achievements

[barren plover]

i have the same mentallity, in the last few months i bought an infinity pass, and all the permanent upgrades

[gusty quest]

unless you have prestige 10 i would doubt it but

not impossible

[barren plover]

but durin mollusk?? or before??

[quasi ivy]

during mollusks ofc

[wind summit]

i def dont have that

[quasi ivy]

havent managed to get every trait yet though

farthest ive come is octupus

im trying to get 500 Sp metabits rn for that one upgrade and maybe top up a bit for the other upgrades and then 21 day strat

[barren plover]

the max time bonus is 21 days?

[quasi ivy]

yeah

atleast

around that time

[gusty quest]

21d3h or something

[quasi ivy]

at 21 days all currency and knowledge/mettabit time chambers max

[barren plover]

btw, when do u reccomend me to upgrade it, when i have like 14Sp??

[barren plover]

okay thankss

here we cant say anything about the beta right??

[quasi ivy]

id say get like 20 Sp

buy information theory and triassic terminator

and spend the rest on what boosts u the most

[barren plover]

that was i was aiming for

[barren plover]

okayys, thanks

[quasi ivy]

i did those with reboot spam

took like 2 hours of nonstop rebootspamming but it helped me get ahead

[barren plover]

im so tired of having to buy like 500 things in order to complete all, even if i just need 2-3 minutes

[quasi ivy]

luckily we are getting an automation updste

[barren plover]

i use an autoclicker to make it fastee

[gusty quest]

only in #💬-beta-chat

[quasi ivy]

yeah i got an autoclicker that spams certain places so i can put it away, stop the clicker, reboot, and repeat

[barren plover]

yeah but if its similar to the first version of the beta (i havent play the last one) i dont like it so mucj

[barren plover]

okay, but general thinks like the one i have just said is okay?

[quasi ivy]

its not beta we can see in the game logs that its coming... we cant discuss stuff that we cant derive from the banner though

[gusty quest]

yeah

[tawdry parrot]

blasting through extinctions after prestige 😍

[quasi ivy]

peak

what badge do yall have the most off?

[gusty quest]

uh i couldnt tell what you were referring to beta so probably yes lmao

[gusty quest]

tea or bees

[quasi ivy]

for me its first fungi and first extinction with 11

[barren plover]

i mean i just said i didnt like how they implemented without any indormatiln

[gusty quest]

after this tea 4sure

[gusty quest]

ah yeah, you can talk about it in general but no content spoilers and stuff i think

[quasi ivy]

yeah

[barren plover]

i have fungi, james webb, dark sea and tea with 11

[quasi ivy]

noice

i took a long break for like a year so i got behind on badges

[barren plover]

i also took a long break from tbe game, and also when i return the game i wasnt playing events because i have too much logits

[quasi ivy]

i got the least off maths and cryptids with only 2

when i played i always did the events cuz i found them fun

until they get repetetive

but cuz of the lb i dont think that will happen so soon anymore

[barren plover]

until there r events like fungis or james webb that last like 5 hours i mean some r very short

and there r others like extintion that feels like artificially long

[quasi ivy]

remember when events used to last a few days with a days long breaks inbetween

[barren plover]

but the best event is the money one, it gives like 10 darwinium per time u completed it

[quasi ivy]

when there were no loggits

[gusty quest]

didn't they use to be like a week each

[quasi ivy]

for progression its the best

but i absolutly hate money for some reason

[barren plover]

it was like 6 days each one with one day break

[gusty quest]

im really not sure

[quasi ivy]

im prety sure rhey did

[quasi ivy]

yea

[gusty quest]

i love money (both the event and the object)

[barren plover]

because it have like 4 different types of currency

[gusty quest]

i like the ones with more currency

especially money because of the garden

[barren plover]

i think we all love money (the object)

[quasi ivy]

i need the maths event to appear more often so i can stack up some badges

[quasi ivy]

yeah true but for some reason i just hate the money event and i always did

[barren plover]

i mean its good because it take longer but also sometimes the difficulty feels so artificially

[quasi ivy]

im starting to hate it less though

[gusty quest]

why longer?

money event is pretty quick i think

[quasi ivy]

its decent

[gusty quest]

because of the machines

[quasi ivy]

especially with an autoclicker

[gusty quest]

if you play actively

[quasi ivy]

money is arriving in 2 cycles aswell

[gusty quest]

or on phone with 8-10 fingers

[quasi ivy]

like we got tea, pollination and then we got money

[barren plover]

because its like u let it afk but the currency change its a stop u wouldnt have with only one

[quasi ivy]

then rocks and then philosphy

[gusty quest]

3 of my 4 favourites back to back

[barren plover]

i don't know why i hate rocks

[quasi ivy]

whats the other one

rocks is slow but thats prob cuz of the lack of badge

[gusty quest]

ah yeah, the event favours an active playstyle compared to others

[gusty quest]

deep sea

[quasi ivy]

Omg

yess

thats my fav

[barren plover]

its a great event tbh

[quasi ivy]

besides maybe outbreaks and maths

outbreaks is prob my fav long event and deep sea my fav short event

[gusty quest]

maths is.. eh? its like a 7 for me but not really noteworthy

[quasi ivy]

math might be my fav but i got too few badges to decide yet

[quasi ivy]

i like it cuz i love maths.. thats all 😭

[gusty quest]

oh

lol

yeah i like maths too but i fear its not complex enough for me anymore

by the time i played it i already knew most of the stuff

e^(i×pi) = -1 and stuff

[quasi ivy]

yeah thats the final badge

[barren plover]

i think i have only completed maths once because i only have that one 1 time

[quasi ivy]

but i like it when they have those little calculations under the description of a trait

it makes maths unique

[gusty quest]

thats true

i liked that

[quasi ivy]

i have twice cuz it released during the period i quit

[barren plover]

some times i forget to play the game and i cant manage to complete the events

[gusty quest]

i have it once because kt was on a few weeks ago

[quasi ivy]

its part of my brain rn to always check c2s every 3 days, play event for 1 day and repeat

except if theres an update ofc

[gusty quest]

but i had a 2 or 3 year long hiatus before that

[barren plover]

i mean i have 3 times the 2 first badges but only one the last one

[quasi ivy]

i want more of maths so i can go trough it faster

i hope we get both maths and extinction next month

since those 2 have been the longest ago im prety sure

not including the ones that are coming up and revealed

[barren plover]

they can bring almost every thing to the events

its like all that cant be in the game because how its designes can be part of events

[quasi ivy]

ive been posting my 1 hour progress on reddit lately so i know what events have been around for like 8 events ago rn with some gaps herr and there after 8

these are the last 9 events

before cats was maths

and we getting tea, pollination, money, rocks and philosophy

17 events total not counting cryptics

that means 3 events that havent been around for the longest

[tawdry parrot]

does this go up by a level each prestige?

n i c e

[quasi ivy]

which are maths, extinction and james webb

so expect these 3 coming next month

[wind summit]

are they gonna come out with more exploration evenmts

[quasi ivy]

perhaps

we dont know

[woven marsh]

That's a great question

[quasi ivy]

i do hope so myself

[wind summit]

dairy has been "new" for so long

[quasi ivy]

like every now and then a new one in the mix cant hurt

[woven marsh]

I thought about chemistry like periodic table or just particles and Atoms on general

[quasi ivy]

same

i suggested that before

but more that it starts with quarks

like up down strange etc.

like

[tawdry parrot]

doing 20 extinctions in 1 go is satisfying

[woven marsh]

There are quite a lot of things that humans researched that Hasnt Been Touched

[quasi ivy]

headline: unbelievably small
explore: the quantum world

or smt

[woven marsh]

There is space for more

I just cant think of a concept rn...

[quasi ivy]

we shall see

anyway im going to sleep

[woven marsh]

Goodnight

[wind summit]

gn

[tawdry parrot]

is this worth?

[wind summit]

idk

[soft delta]

Which app is the main app now Cells or Cells Alpha?

On droid

[wind summit]

not its cells on android

[soft delta]

I have both installed and room is scarce

[atomic cave]

I think so. I plan on eventually buying all the Logit and Darwinium trophies. I think I've seen it recommended in the channel as well.

[warm lodge]

If you're around the Oort cloud objects: Yes. If you want to max everything: Yes. Otherwise: No.

Explanation: If you are further than the Oort cloud, then the exponential nature of the higher generators will make the oort cloud irrelevant soon. Even when doubled.

[thorn trellis]

How much does the most expensive mollusk upgrade cost?

[pastel kite]

You were talking about insects. If I recall properly, shrimp are insects.

[pastel kite]

I've never used the web version, I'm sorry. The mobile app has a button that allows you to use darwinium and a button next to it that allows you to watch ads

[lone bronze]

oort cloud objects become insignificant when you get alpha centauri

also why are there nodes in the emergent and information ages, I can't unlock them for no reason

are they related to simulation levs

cuz im 1 level away from amphibians

[forest anchor]

Perhaps they require far higher levels...?

[desert flax]

everything has been [redacted] in #💬-beta-chat

[inner maple]

I think those are being reworked, like how the Scientific Revolution was.

[plush current]

i did it

yip

ARGUBALY

i have the beta

[inner maple]

Yay! Haven’t gotten there yet.

[forest anchor]

Nice

[dense hound]

Anyone here votes for leaf sheep? I prefer them 🥹 But only 1 creature in 8 can advance whyyyy

[plush current]

suriname horned frog situation 2 coming only 7x worse

(VIVALASURINAME)

[keen badge]

last time i played this game i remember they had the sentient robots. where are they now?

like its close to the singularity

thats all i remember

[inner maple]

Yes!

[inner maple]

I think they’ll show up later. The main simulation is being reworked and it started with the Scientific Revolution. I’m expecting them to show up after the Emergent Age is reworked.

[keen badge]

oh alr ty

[inner maple]

You’re welcome!

[summer meadow]

Hi,

So I broken my phone and finally it come back from insurance, but completely wiped 😭

I have managed to gain access too my account again but it's a month behind, and i don't have my infinity pass anymore.

I have sent an email to CS with the account info and proof of purchase for the pass, is there anything else that would help that I can send over? I added as much info as I could, levels etc...

Also idk if anyone has done this before, but what's the likelihood I can get to my full progress or have my pass reinstated?

Thank you all, this game is really satisfying when Relaxing 😌

[thin notch]

Oh i found either a bug or flaw in the Coin Flipping thing

Few minutes, gonna take a small nap lol

[edgy musk]

eegegegegegegeg gegegfe

[half mountain]

What's the fastest to get and

[sharp vortex]

how do you get the bottom gorilla badge?

[edgy musk]

i have 270

[frank carbon]

i had 500 before i wasted it all

[tall mirage]

did they increase the cost of Great Attractor by E1?

[barren plover]

halloween event

[quasi ivy]

help i just got jumpscared by one of the meso tracks on a tv ad 😭

[amber canyon]

Play the game. Spam reboot or empty sim, depending on where your progressîon is.

[amber canyon]

Info bnm gave:
virgo cluster is 100x weaker,
messier 87 is 10x weaker,
quasar 3c 273 and laniakea costs 10x as much and are 10x weaker,
local void costs 50x as much, and
great attractor costs 10x as much and is 10x weaker

[tall mirage]

Oh rip u right, I just noticed my exp fell from e162/s to e161/s

damn they made great attractor 100x harder

[amber canyon]

The great attractor seems right.

That is, what they did to it.

[mellow carbon]

I don't understand how they balance the game. Before E29 was too fast (4-6 hours), but with 100x nerf it could be several weeks.

[amber canyon]

6 months for me to get a great attractor now.

[tall mirage]

what's lvl of great attractor for u rn

[forest anchor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/871078752745041951/1138843608225685575/1034859368287588413.gif

[mellow carbon]

I mostly assume I won't get the top generator to level 6 until the next episode.
E28 was the first time that wasn't true, but there was forever between episodes.

[amber canyon]

Electorus was saying that the balance change killed progress for those who didn't finish it yet too.

[tall mirage]

rank 8 for great attractor is literally impossible for me

[amber canyon]

Oh hi 😁

[forest anchor]

Greetings Kf :)

[amber canyon]

I was just talking about you!

[forest anchor]

Let alone rank 0 for me lmao

[tall mirage]

Gl

[mellow carbon]

It feels like it hurts non-completers more. I get to do E30 when it comes out. Someone that gets to E29 could be stuck for many weeks.

[forest anchor]

I am one of those non-completers...

[mellow carbon]

Although I'm kinda hoping if E30 is the last one that it will legitimately take several weeks.

[amber canyon]

My ga is rank 7.

I finished E28 before spending black holes, which took it from rank 6 to 7.

[tall mirage]

oh lol, well even before the nerf rank 8 great attractor was kinda impossible

only way possible before nerf is if u got your exp to e165/s

[amber canyon]

I'd have needed 4 more trait upgrades I think? 5 to get it quickly.

In the time since the nerf I haven't managed to
Upgrade a single relevant trait. Soon though!

[mellow carbon]

Huh, I only made it to rank 5 GA. with 5/5 traits.

I wasn't doing any of the research acceleration though.

[tall mirage]

🤔 damn, Ig only way possible for me would before nerf was if my gold cards were all lvl 6, superstructure lvl 6 and both great attractor cards at lvl 9

[amber canyon]

I think now I'd need to upgrade 8 or 9 traits to start being able to buy GAs again.

[amber canyon]

That. Yeah.

[tall mirage]

now obv until e30 it's impossible

[amber canyon]

Everybody's Beyond is frozen 🙁

[tall mirage]

doesn't make sense to nerf e29, should have instead made e30 harder smh

[forest anchor]

That's basically impossible

[tall mirage]

Well not for peeps like Kf who saved tons of BH

[amber canyon]

Hoping for rebalancing. That it's had such a bad effect on people who hadn't finished E29 is terrible.

[forest anchor]

I do really want a quick rebalancing

[tall mirage]

From the looks of it, || Automation and E30 arriving together || so there's hope

[forest anchor]

I am getting 1e152 every 2 days
But I need 8e153

[amber canyon]

Didn't spend any to to finish E29 (because my traits were ranked so high after nearly a year)

But the 35 BHs I did spend after got me to golds 6/6/6, superstructures 5 and normal 7/8.

[mellow carbon]

I'm not spending BH until they expose what they're doing for the prestige system in Beyond (if any). Got burned on Mesozoic, so I'm squatting on 33 neutro and 148 bhs from the events.

[forest anchor]

At this rate it'd take me half a year to complete a requirement 🙏

[amber canyon]

Together?

[tall mirage]

Ye I meant it was still kinda possible for u to get GA rank 8 before nerf I mean

[amber canyon]

Yeah, I understand. I figured I'd just get my golds to 6. Still got 37 BHs left.

[tall mirage]

Lol nice, tbf u can spend neutro, u need close to 10 neutro to have as much effect as 1 BH

[tall mirage]

ye same update I mean

[mellow carbon]

I may spend them when E30 comes out.

[amber canyon]

I wonder why they'd come out in same update? That seems weird.

[tall mirage]

If u don't mind spoilers, there's alr vids out on YT of peeps doing the E30 beta runthrough

[mellow carbon]

You're right, that's a huge differential between the two. I hadn't really looked at it.

I'm not going to spoil it. I'm on Android. Everything comes out late. It teaches patience.

[tall mirage]

No clue, maybe their way of rectifying smth after delaying ind rev 2 for the 3rd-4th time?

[forest anchor]

The devs seem to be almost rushing things currently

[amber canyon]

I have little confidence that what they've put in beta E30 will be what becomes public.

[forest anchor]

Perhaps making up the lost time in the development of the Reality Reboot

[mellow carbon]

I think they're excited to be doing content again after many months of the reality reboot.

[amber canyon]

What's making you think they'll be together btw?

[tall mirage]

Yea who knows, we still got atleast 2 weeks left till we see another update

[tall mirage]

coz automation is a very smol update + what they're doing in beta rn

[amber canyon]

And beta automation seems way too immature to be released atm.

[tall mirage]

🤷 or they might release e30 first, we never know

[forest anchor]

This is getting close to #💬-beta-chat but personally ||I don't think automation is a small update||

[amber canyon]

Me neither.

[tall mirage]

😭 Also it will be the end of the empty sim 21 day strat

So Ig e30 coming out first, maybe 1st march or so

[amber canyon]

But they haven't ||fixed the empty sim thing, just changed the days.||

[tall mirage]

You didn't look at what it says in #🧾-beta-patch-notes ?

3rd poitn

I assumed it means the end of it ...

[forest anchor]

Just ||turn it off right after||? (beta spoilered)

[amber canyon]

Anyway. If automation comes out next, I likely won't bother updating to it. I'll wait to see automation when it's more mature.

[amber canyon]

Can ||turn it off.||

[tall mirage]

🤔 Ig will see how they handle the empty sim strat then

[amber canyon]

Or not ||buy any automation stuff.||

[forest anchor]

-# Isn't the concept of automation not out to the public yet

[tall mirage]

I mean they show automation before e30 on prod version

So I assumed it'll come out before

[forest anchor]

-# So practically we shouldn't spoil what it does?

[amber canyon]

Given how much I dislike nanobot buying, I suspect I won't like automation anyway. Unless it's very done well.

[forest anchor]

Nano Buyer is near useless imo

[tall mirage]

it's out no? under mollusks it shows automation and e30 as coming soon

[forest anchor]

Outside of beta, we don't know what 'automation' does rn

[tall mirage]

ah u mean like that

[amber canyon]

Spoilers things that are specific 🙂.

[tall mirage]

welll we never discussed the specifics of it

[amber canyon]

I actively wish I didn't have it.

[forest anchor]

Real

[amber canyon]

So am def not excited about an 'automation' update, especially given that the Devs seemed to have been pushing out buggy stuff recently. With apparently not even basic testing at their end.

[tall mirage]

ye would rather wait longer for lesser bugs

[amber canyon]

I have a feeling that not many of the Devs play the game too.

[tall mirage]

but Ig the reboot is their way of attracting "new" players so they're pushing for faster updates to retain them

[amber canyon]

Which is fine, they don't have to, but it means they might find it harder to understand what is good and what isn't.

[tall mirage]

ye it's not sustainable

[amber canyon]

I wonder how long it would take to get to RL75 from being new these days. For an 'average but competent' new player.

Putting to one side spending money on DW, and noting they wouldn't have event badges.

[tall mirage]

Good qs, you're welcome to test it out

[amber canyon]

Lol. No.

In alpha I played up to level 50, didn't abuse anything in primary sim / reality engine.

Took a few months I think? But I wasn't playing it that much.

[tall mirage]

time to start again

[wide trail]

why am i basically “hard”-stuck at main level 58?

[grizzled lance]

Do ya'll reckon it's worth going for the cheap boosters next? Land and Primordial are contributing less than a percent each, so they don't feel very pressing.

[polar viper]

Took me 2 months till 74, but with money (just infinity Pass)

[grizzled lance]

Idk, what can you unlock? Do you any time chambers you can wait a few days to ramp up?

[polar viper]

Switch to scientific notation and just buy stuff thats e^3-4 cheaper than your current currency stash. Even if it seems worthless. Land gets good in the current patch with i think lvl 74 glitch for a while. Primodial is best before mollusks. Ocean is biggest one if you maxed out.

[amber canyon]

Thanks! Did that involve empty sim run(s)?

[brave merlin]

Land & primordial are both contributing for +-40-44% here. Lvl 74 with only land needing 1 more upgrade.

Keep in mind primordial will get 9^9 boost when you max it 😉

[polar viper]

Yes im a filthy min-maxer

But i spam rebooted till like lvl 65

Only got 1 full empty sim run done

A few ended early because i could afford bigger upgrades

[amber canyon]

Filthy, ofc 😁.

Nah, just checking cos I think that would affect time-to-RL74 and not necessarily something a normal-but-competent player would discover.

My knowledge side is basically stuck unless I use empty sim now (atm anyway).

[polar viper]

Yeah knowledge side is done for me too. Some of the x/100 left but they have no real impact anyways

I guess its already different for people starting now than for me because entropy side is bigger

[amber canyon]

Yeah, aside from rebalancing, the updates have a certain 'reachback' to players on lower RLs. So we'll never get a final answer. Until we stop getting updates.

[polar viper]

The point till you can catch up fast increases with every patch

Especially since like the upgrades we save for like tachyon funnel dont have a big impact anyways.
New patch and there is a cheapo upgrade that has more impact than 2 months of endgame grinding now

[grizzled lance]

True, they will add up eventually. But i'm not sure how costs increase on those upgrades. Is it double? Or more?

[grizzled lance]

Switch to scientific notation

Never!

[amber canyon]

Is like trying to do division with Roman numerals ...

[polar viper]

Then my condolences
You cant be helped

[grizzled lance]

It's true.

[polar viper]

Hmm strange. Profile says u swedish

I expected murican

Because insist of using funny notations

[brave merlin]

Can't help you on cost of those upgrades.
My tactic was to run the simulation for a few days & buy a few of those upgrades. Restarting for each upgrade on land / ocean / primordial was not worth for me (time wise)

[grizzled lance]

Haha. I just like seeing the "bigger" numbers (hundreds) and i've had fun learning the names of big millions. It all feels a bit fancier *extends pinky*

Though they do use the short system which is a small letdown.

[amber canyon]

Are you aware of 'empty sim'? Is a bit of an exploit ...

[grizzled lance]

Nope

[amber canyon]

Ah.

Well. If when you restart your sim I recommend you consider not buying any generators until you're ready to reboot.

Your metabit/knowledge income will be multiplied by whatever your time crystals multipliers are. Which - on a full 21 day run (when all crystals are maxed) - is over a million times more.

This is because the crystal boost is applied at the point you earn the metabits/knowledge income fill, not at the end when you reboot.

However, is boring.

[forest anchor]

Indeed

[grizzled lance]

So you just restart and do nothing? I'm not sure i get it.

[amber canyon]

Yup. Restart and do nothing.

You know those 1000 fills you get when you start a run? They get no time crystal boost, because it's early. The longer you wait, the more they get multiplied.

[grizzled lance]

Aha. I didn't know you got 1000 free fills :)

Quite clever

[amber canyon]

My current run, 6 days in.

[amber canyon]

It's not 'free' as much as that as soon as you start buying generators you get loads of fills, because they're so cheap.

[grizzled lance]

Ah, true

[amber canyon]

Anyway, up to you. It's the current meta for late/end game (when you've got not much useful to buy on a normal reboot).

[grizzled lance]

I'll keep it in mind. Thanks 👍🏻

[polar viper]

Looks like they adjusting it in the beta

[hollow pelican]

3 days for me

[grizzled lance]

Is it that different from just running the sim like normal while the crystals ramp up though? They're gonna get to their max multiplier eventually anyway 🤔

[amber canyon]

Aye. But they're just changing the time when the crystals max, so when to reboot. Not fixing it.

[amber canyon]

The multiplier is applied at the point you get the fill. Not when you reboot.

[amber canyon]

We might get two runs in before the next upgrade. Especially if we use time slip. Yay us.

[grizzled lance]

Yeah, but you'll always get more fills. Unless new fills after 21 days take, like, more than 21 days?

[polar viper]

Not sure what else, but i read they changed the exponential growth to linear. And the shorter the crystals max the less the impact of empty sim compared to normal.
But im not up to date. I would already be happy if it gets down to like 7 days.

[amber canyon]

But would you rather get all 1500+ fills multiplied by a million+, or just the last one?

It makes a huge difference.

[grizzled lance]

Maybe you're right 🙂

[amber canyon]

Various people have tested it. And are livin' the empty sim dream now.

[grizzled lance]

The different multipliers and stuff are so tricky to get a hold of, so it's hard to make good calculations.

[amber canyon]

Yup. I've seen that. And it will change the duration, and the ridiculous growth from day 18 to day 21.

But until they change it from the multiplier applying at the point the fill is completed - empty>normal. Just maybe not empty>>>>normal 😬.

[white egret]

i do also wanna add to this: the majority of fills you get happen in the first few minutes or so of gameplay

so even if you stopped like at 21 days instead of 21 days 3 hours youd be missing out on alot of gains

(comparatively low sure but still)

[amber canyon]

Yeah, it started with this post - #💬-cells-chat message - they're past Spam-Rebooting (given an average players tolerance for that).

[white egret]

actually we can calculate this time frame, assuming someone gets ~1700 fills on average gameplay, itd take roughly 30 seconds to get the majority of your fills, (note:changes depending on entro or idea because of buying time)

[keen mango]

i hope when beyond prestige comes around, there shoyld be prestige objects

[amber canyon]

It's really noticeable how the soft cap hits hard too. If you try and eke out extra metabits/entropy. I had half the amount I needed for Von Neuman after doing some shooting stars. Getting to buy VN would have taken thousands more.

[gloomy jacinth]

😅😸😐😊👋🏻

[amber canyon]

Damn. You want that crystal!!!

[gloomy jacinth]

Well I didnt see the English name, this major glitch looks like a glitch/bug, where I need to almost not touch the game, otherwise my save will become corrupt

[amber canyon]

Oh, those. Yeah. A bit like the first Singularity warning, but not quite as scary.

[forest anchor]

Congrats

[white egret]

ah i was kinda lurking since i just downloaded helldivers but thx

[white egret]

are you on the 48th reboot?

oh holy im stupid