💬-cells-chat

[desert flax]

people lose them all the time

[lament silo]

like did you have all nodes

[uneven lava]

did they remove like

the shit beyond singuality

like the humnoid shit

[desert flax]

they did

also excessive cursing

[uneven lava]

why

[keen mango]

like 90% of them

[uneven lava]

mb

[keen mango]

maybe 95%

[desert flax]

🤷

[lament silo]

no i have lost all my progress, i have to buy them again ill def abbondon the game forever

[lament silo]

same everything except birds

[keen mango]

Same here

[lament silo]

but idk why i'm struggling after the reboot

some of my nodes were removed and should be taken back by simulation level

it takes me days to just unlock a node

[woven arch]

this is taking so long lol 🥲

[uneven lava]

what are these

[lament silo]

it wasn't like that in pre reboot

[uneven lava]

same

[lament silo]

i actually hate reboot

[desert flax]

features ato be added

[lament silo]

thats why i hate reboot

[uneven lava]

most of my nodes were removed as well

[lament silo]

we were peacefully playing the game why reboot

[desert flax]

some datamining happened and the datamined nodes scarily line up with the anomalies

[lament silo]

we could have get new nodes like apmhibian without a hole reboot update

[mellow carbon]

21 days to hit the cap.

[lament silo]

i loved the game back then, its implayable now

this game was my childhood

[desert flax]

ah classical rashouts over reboot

like it's actually so good

[keen mango]

why no nanobots in beyond

[hexed elbow]

Since we’re talking about game development, are they ever gonna revisit the microbial and aquatic garden?

[desert flax]

correction: primordial soup and ocean gardens

[hexed elbow]

Personally, I quite like the reboot. It got me back into the game after a long hiatus.

[keen mango]

Same

[desert flax]

me too

[mellow carbon]

Probably, but I expect they're going to add more content first since there's been a drought while reality reset was developed. I also expect several more rounds of rebalancing. I just want them to kill the no-buy meta without returning us to the constantly reboot meta.

[uneven lava]

back then you could actually speedrun the game

[lament silo]

its good? do you think its good that i need to wait days when i restart my sim just to get a node?

[desert flax]

...

[uneven lava]

same

[uneven lava]

even worse here

have an assignment due next week

food web related

using cells

[mellow carbon]

If you're waiting days, you should at least wait for all the time chambers to max. But you probably want the no-buy strategy instead.

[uneven lava]

but still having nodes i need for the assignment locked

[lament silo]

@desert flax @mellow carbon do you think its good that i need lvl 99 simulation just to get the observatory node, something i had before the reboot?

[desert flax]

level 99?

[rain rain]

it's not 99, tho

[mellow carbon]

What are you talking about? I had all nodes at 72 IIRC.

[desert flax]

it's only 68

[rain rain]

but yeah, waiting and afking is a bad thing, I agree

[mellow carbon]

Only thing that I have left is a small bit of the RE tree.

[desert flax]

oh nonononono

[lament silo]

i didnt wait before the reboot 😭 also what is no-buy strategy and time chambers?

[desert flax]

once you're in beta every update gives new RE upgrades

[lament silo]

I CAN'T PLAY UNTIL LVL 72 TO GET ALL MY NODES BACK ITS PAIN 😭😭😭

[desert flax]

"pain"

I quite find it fun

you have beyond and mesozoic

[prime vale]

#💬-beta-chat

[lament silo]

before the reebot i hade 600-1200 of each generator, impposible now

[desert flax]

amphibian only really has up to 250

[rain rain]

yeah, rebalance happened, nothing tragic

[keen mango]

Waiting for time chambers dk they thing

[desert flax]

me too

[uneven lava]

aight

[polar viper]

Impossible to get some of the steam achievements atm sadly

Very tragic

[rain rain]

which ones?

[lament silo]

boring as hell

[lament silo]

do you thinks its fun to wiat a month for 1 level to go up?

i dont want to wait or have fun i just want my nodes back

[mellow carbon]

You can look at reddit for lots of discussion but in short. Reboot. Purchase nothing. Wait 21 days for time crystals to max out. Buy out RE upgrades. Buy generators (like a normal run but way faster). Spend the next day buying a few more generators. Give up since knowledge/metabits are coming too slowly and reboot.

It's a dumb meta.

[polar viper]

The get 1000 of each birbs/mammals/reptiles

[desert flax]

hehe

birb

[rain rain]

but if you were at that point - you already had them. Yeah, kind of sad that they are impossible for new players, I agree

[lament silo]

what were time chambers

[rain rain]

I hate locked achieves

also hate time chambers, hot take

[woven arch]

How are they impossible?

[desert flax]

they give you a boost over time

[lament silo]

im never ever agian gonna restart my sim so this strategy is over

[desert flax]

how can you hate them

[polar viper]

You cant reach 1000 of some of them atm.

[woven arch]

Why not?

[desert flax]

ah geez cells-chat has exploded

[polar viper]

Not enough entropy production in game

[woven arch]

Ah, I see. 💭

[rain rain]

becuase instead of playing normally and reseting I am now waiting for 3 weeks, entering the game for 1 minute, just to get daily reward

[lament silo]

its impossible to get 1000 generators after the reboot

[pliant sand]

you can

partially

[polar viper]

Can just hope with mollusks and maybe 1-2 more updates its doable again

[desert flax]

OI

THAT'S A BETA THING

[lament silo]

just remove the reboot 💔

[lament silo]

yes maybe for something like amino acid but def not for martian city, you barely get 200 of that

[desert flax]

I have amino acid near 2k

[pliant sand]

wow

[lament silo]

1800 for me

[rain rain]

imagine jumping on someone... okay, fixing. "its impossible to get 1000 generators FOR ALL NODES after the reboot". There. fixed. Can people agree now?

[rain rain]

but it will be in-game, what's the issue?

[lament silo]

i didnt say all nodes

[desert flax]

well it's beta for now

[rain rain]

your point?

[woven arch]

Yeah but the existence of mollusks are shown in the public version.

[rain rain]

isn't there a huge notification in main game "mollusk is coming"? I don't have beta at all, but I still know that. It's not like saying "mollusk will give you morbillion% entropy, and that's a beta leak"

[lament silo]

what is?

[desert flax]

hm

[white egret]

cold take: with a rebalance the chambers and cystals could work perfectly

[rain rain]

yeah, agree

[white egret]

the current system with the empty sim strat needs work, but you also gotta avoid spam rebooting

i think having chambers take a bit longer than crystals (in some form) would be a better way to do it

[desert flax]

between-hot-and-cold take: time crystals and chambers would still suck unless the gain was 3x

[white egret]

this is just a truth statement

"it would be bad if it was worse"

wait sorry i huh

[desert flax]

w h a t

[white egret]

itd be better if the gain was lower?

but thatd just bring back spam rebooting

[woven arch]

I just wish it didn't take 21 days.

[white egret]

true

i think bringing crystals to like 9ish days to line up better with chambers would be nicer

but the devs might want the game to be long

[woven arch]

Agreed.

Blargh.

[white egret]

like if the devs want 21 day long reboots its kinda their prerogative

[rain rain]

especially considering that in 21 day there could be an update screwing your strat, lol

[white egret]

true lol

i mean molusc wont change the strat too much

[polar viper]

Tbh i dont think its easy to fix with the current system. Since the fills take the multiplier during fill time, you will always have the strat being better with knowledge/metabit crystals around.
They would need a design rework for this.

[white egret]

the ||reality rebalance|| might tho

[woven arch]

I'm only 2 days in but I'm able to get the second crystal now, should I reboot? :T

[white egret]

the multiplier at the time the fill is completed is the one used (which is why 21 day strat works so well)

[white egret]

id say worth

its an extra 1000x on the fills gain

[woven arch]

Will do then!

[white egret]

(per 21 strat)

[polar viper]

Yeah. But with the crystals around there is no other way without a rework of the fill system itself.

You can tweak numbers around, but empty sim will always be better

[woven arch]

Also, I'm at rank #25 in the explore event right now, I am SO cooked. 🥲

[polar viper]

The crystals need to be applied retroactively to prevent it

[woven arch]

Should I buy something from here or just keep saving up?

[polar viper]

I would prioritize future capacitor and metabit doubler

[woven arch]

👍

[nocturne cloak]

for those mini quests like to photo a ornithischia? how do you actually do that, I was taking pictures but it didnt fulfill

i take the pic any noding happens

[woven arch]

You have to click on the dinosaur before taking a photo.

[nocturne cloak]

that did it!

[woven arch]

👍 You're welcome.

[nocturne cloak]

thank you!

[woven arch]

[pseudo cliff]

Lmao you can just reclick the coin to send it further and further into the air

[hollow pelican]

wait until they accomplished every goal that they stopped making road map

[slow rock]

yeah I think that was the thing that happened

lemme build xp

[coral drift]

Then we go beyond the existence of time and space and begin building 6 th dimensional humans

[hollow pelican]

"alpha testing for semblance irl"

[fallen sand]

Ignoring crystals and the no-buy strat; is there a downside to spamming short resets?

Like, I'm not going to soft-lock myself by rapidly raising the simulation level or something?

[woven arch]

I wouldn't think so. And additionally, simulation level is no longer tied to how many resets you do, it's an XP thing (based on how much entropy/idea you make).

[white egret]

the xp is the multiple of your lifetime (ignoring reboots) entropy and ideas

i think you can see those numbers in semblance but idk

[woven arch]

Blaaah, same thing.

[white egret]

not really? ig it depends on what you mean

i dont really care tho so live ya life

[woven arch]

You just added additional information to what I said, is what I mean.

But also I'm not super knowledgeable at this game. 🥲

I'm just a gamer...

[pseudo cliff]

What prestige level do you need to get giganotosaurus to 200? I think I read 10 at least?

[vital tinsel]

It's more about traits level

You have way more room for progression

I would say both at level 12

[polar viper]

Depends how fast u want it too

Problem is more, if u try it before p10 u wasted tons of mutagen to scale up the giga, which will get yeeted at next prestige again

[nocturne cloak]

in the early game what should i prioritize more mesozoic valley I am level 7, or my primary I am research level 4 in that

[echo basin]

😗

I have a question

Weird one

[white egret]

sorry went to go shower, i mean like theres a difference between your gain rate and your total amount, unless im misinterpreting which i prob am

[white egret]

go for it

[echo basin]

But if you have been offline for some weeks and didnt clooect entropy or idea and if u desinztall the game will ur phone glitch (yea weird one)

Collect*

[white egret]

ig it would depend on if you had cloud saves or not

if you did do a cloud save before you left it should still be tracking your offline time

[echo basin]

Like whats the difference?

[white egret]

well if you didnt save you wouldnt have anything to go back to

[echo basin]

Btw

[white egret]

unless your phone didnt delete your saves

[echo basin]

But having too much entropy like 1 googol can glitch ur phone

It happend to me

[white egret]

not any amount you can have normally

[echo basin]

After i got mollusks in alpha

My phone didnt work for 5 days

[white egret]

i dont think thats cell to singularity that might just be your phone

[echo basin]

It was some months ago and it was the real one

But

I desinstalled the alpha and got the new one

[gray tapir]

yea

wait

[echo basin]

what

WHAT?!

[gray tapir]

before it shuts down?

[echo basin]

I dont alpha anymire

[white egret]

i dont think your alpha save can be used on the normal game, i might be wrong tho

[echo basin]

But did somone get singularity?

[gray tapir]

yea

[echo basin]

Im scared to unlock it

[gray tapir]

me

[gray tapir]

why

[white egret]

wdym singularity?

[echo basin]

The robot

[white egret]

oh the head?

yeah thats part of the game

[echo basin]

Im just scared that cts migth end my phone😰

[gray tapir]

it wont

try it yourself

[white egret]

if your phone is particularly old maybe? but you shouldnt really worry about it

[gray tapir]

my phone is little old (8 years old)

[vital tinsel]

That's how good CtS did that part : you're genuinely scared it's real

[white egret]

like your gonna be fine to redownload cts

[gray tapir]

i think he's trying it himself

[white egret]

is your bio french transliterated into japanese?

[fallen sand]

I was thinking of this

The XP is for Research Level, as far as I can tell, which did not change between resets

[white egret]

yeah see this

[fallen sand]

Right, but the Converter Fills required DID increase when I did a reset

[white egret]

I have no idea what decides that number

last reset I had to fo 4

[fallen sand]

I neglected to get a screenshot, but when I reset it gives the black screen with a rotating...dodecahedron? that summarizes your run

One of the line items is "Simulation Level", which DOES increase

I assume it tracks the number of resets

[white egret]

yeah that's the reset counter

they should change that prob

[fallen sand]

So each reset requires more fills to enable the next reset? This is why I was concerned about soft-locking

If I reset too much then I can get to a point where I can't reset, because I can't make enough meta-currency to get the required fills

[white egret]

I don't think so, I'm at 24 resets lvl 71 and i needed 4 fills

[fallen sand]

Hmm, I wonder what determines it, then. I didn't buy any meta-upgrades or gain any research levels that reset

[white egret]

when I'm more able to I can look into the indepth details

I off to bed but have fun

[fallen sand]

Thanks!

[white egret]

Np! I I can get back to you if I find the answer

[glossy folio]

What is this last badge?

[dry cairn]

For me, total resets done and converter fills needed are always the exact same number

[nocturne cloak]

for the dinosaurs i could trigger the extinction event but I didnt complete all the events that get me rewards, should I do extinction or wait for rewards

[woven arch]

Oh what? I have not seen upgrades be locked behind fills at all.

[woven arch]

Wait for rewards so you make the most out of each extinction.

[fluid delta]

My converter fills needed remain at 3, always… and I have a lot of resets…it’s possible it’s a bug embedded within my save, though. If so, not complaining 🙂

[dry cairn]

Your first 1500 fills happen almost instantly and nobody is going to do that many resets.

[fluid delta]

… not yet, but if balancing changes where reset spamming is optimal again, I could see it

[fallen sand]

Good to know, thanks!

[fallen sand]

Yeah, I could see myself doing that*

[fluid delta]

I could too

[fallen sand]

when the wait gets too long it's more than likely I'll simply close it one day and not open it again

Which is why I'm pretending the no-buy strat doesn't exist

[fluid delta]

I’m on empty sim run 3 while I wait for Mollusks

[dry cairn]

Not sure why its an exact match for some people and not for others. Is it only people with a high number of resets that it doesnt match for?

[fluid delta]

idk. maybe. or maybe a save bug.

[fallen sand]

Perhaps it was changed in an update but only applies on reset, so some people haven't had it 'proc' yet?

[dry cairn]

@fluid delta did your 2nd run get up toward 2x of your first run? Or not quite.

[fallen sand]

I did reset my primary sim (fully, not 'reboot' for meta-currency) recently

[fluid delta]

if you mean a RE reset, never done that. if you mean finish a run and (buy RE nodes) and reboot the sim, I have done that several times since the last update

[fluid delta]

1.5x is what I saw

1.8x for metabits

the 3rd run I expect maybe 1x knowledge, 1.1x metabits (since i only finished off a MB node in the tree)

[fallen sand]

Aye, this. So maybe it only applies if your sim was started after a certain update?

[fluid delta]

Maybe. I have never done that and see no reason to

[fallen sand]

That's probably the case for most people, I'd imagine

I had played some years ago but wanted to start relatively fresh since it got overhauled

...still haven't opened the Beyond

[fluid delta]

Fair. I am on top (only Live, no Beta/Alpha) and am trying to stay that way 🙂

I admit I want to take a break from the game (after 2 years of playing it nonstop), but bc of that, I can’t, lol

[fallen sand]

As reasons go, that's not bad

Is there still no point to Meso after 50+10?

[fluid delta]

ArchDux did see the benefit from Meso Prestige back in the beta..

I am really hoping that is true and so will apply to this 3rd empty sim run, I would like it to drop right before the 21 game day point.. and it might!

[fallen sand]

Oh, neat

[fluid delta]

mult would go from 50x to 550x, so…

[woven arch]

I hope I can 100% meso quickly so I don't have to touch it again. 🥲 But I haven't even finished Prestige 1 yet.

[dry cairn]

Understandable. It was such a relief when I finished the 10 prestiges.

Each prestige does get quicker. Buy 1 diamond geode at level 50 if you have a decent amount of darwinium.

[woven arch]

Oh? Why?

[nocturne cloak]

Is there a limit on how many of these 2x video ads you watch?

[steady dune]

Upper limit is 24h at first, and extended to 72h by nodes
from 6 to 18 ads

[dry cairn]

In prestige, you lose all common cards but keep your rare and epic.

[steady dune]

beyond reserach is still 24hrs

[dry cairn]

How much you get out of those geodes is partially determined by current level

[woven arch]

Aaahh okay

[polar viper]

You mean from 1.5x to 5.5x
Wont make a dent in the metabit production

[uneven lava]

still dont understand what modules are

[woven arch]

What's confusing about them? They boost the production of whatever parts of the primary simulation it claims to boost.

[uneven lava]

whats the point

are they permanent

[dry cairn]

Yes they are permanent.

[fluid delta]

total 3 days, the ads give 4x after the 16 hour point. Each ad adds 4 hours.

[toxic meteor]

Bro it's gonna take 52 years for me to get my next research level upgrade 😭

[fluid delta]

No, 50x to 550x, so that's an additional 500x.

[fluid delta]

You pay the listed darwinium, you get the listed benefit, permanently. It's that simple

[woven arch]

"AFK (Away From Home)" 😭

[polar viper]

1.5 to 5.5. peanuts

[fluid delta]

Nah... not unless you are 74 and are trying to get to 75, without a future update

[tall mirage]

Yea still just entropy and idea, so not a problem adding it

[fluid delta]

ok, only an additional 5x then. Darn. I should have looked at the node first. You are right. Still, every bit helps!

[woven arch]

Yes

[tall mirage]

Actually it's 4.33x coz 6.5/1.5

But no harm in getting that for free

[polar viper]

at least now u get, why i dont get the calls against a prestige reward. its so tiny anyways.
an incentive but not breaking the game if you dont like it.

[fluid delta]

it would go from 1.5 to 6.5. 5x improvement. Or am I missing something obvious with math here?

[tall mirage]

basically boosts ur xp by ~18.77

[fluid delta]

heh fair. though they could change that for when the change in beta comes to live.

[tall mirage]

the new multi is 6.5, old multi is 1.5, so gotta divide to see actual increase

[fluid delta]

Not seeing why, but I never claimed to be awesome at math. total old could be smth like 100001.5x and new 100006.5x, but it's still an additional 5x, even if that's tiny compared to the total.

[vital tinsel]

You're both right, just not talking about the same thing

[tall mirage]

😭 I'm talking actual improvement in terms of multiplication, not addition

Suppose, ur current entropy is 100, due to multi (1.5) it becomes 150
New multi (6.5), makes it 650
Actual improvement = 650/150 = 4.33 each to entropy/idea

Total improvement in Research Xp = (13/3)^2 = ~18.77

[fluid delta]

ah ok, now I see. ty!

[tall mirage]

Yeee, Ig they did it so that our current 10 prestiges don't go to waste
It's a minimal increase which only end game players will care out

[fluid delta]

Fair. Unless they increase the multiplier calculation on the nodes.. like Beyond's is 1.05x so it's not impossible? I am not motivated enough to scroll up thousands of comments here to get to Arch_Dux's screenshot of it!

(and ofc it could change anyway)

[tall mirage]

Yea let's see

This weekend hopefully smth in #🧾-beta-patch-notes

[fluid delta]

I am keeping my eyes on that, yeah. The only Beta thing I regularly watch.

[nocturne cloak]

If I activate the boosts, can I do crossplay and login with my Steam account?

[fluid delta]

Yes. I normally do that, actually.

[dry cairn]

With how big the RE has gotten and 100 different multipliers working together, its getting rare for any 1 thing to make a noticeable difference to our metabit/knowledge output.
A diminishing return as expected.

[fluid delta]

Yep. Though I'm sure Mollusks.. and Ind Rev after that, will step up to the plate!

[dry cairn]

Molluks does look like a sizeable expansion.

[tall mirage]

Yup, it's still the Time crystals carrying

[mighty jolt]

I just went on cells for the first time in ages and most of my stuff from beyond and mesozoic valley are gone does anyone know how I could possibly get it back?

[fluid delta]

Reload from an uploaded save you made to the Cells server, back when you played. If you did that. I hope you did. Or, if that's not an option, log into game from the device you last played the game on, hopefully you have your local save there? Then at that point, if all is good, you'll probably want to upload your save to the Cells server.

[mighty jolt]

The phone i used to play cells on was shattered to pieces 🙏

And i dont recall uploading my save

[fluid delta]

Then.. you are out of luck, I'm sorry. The good news is, you get to start fresh on a game that's had a ton of changes since you last played, it's sorta kinda a different game now!

(idk if that counts as good news, but.. it's all I got. backups are important)

[mighty jolt]

My primary and re are perfectly preserved!

[fluid delta]

Ok so you won't be starting from Zero, that's good. Though Primary and RE have seen a TON of changes with the revamp a few months ago

[nocturne cloak]

any of these worth getting? I have 419 of the currency

2nd day in the game

[fluid delta]

No. Only buy things with Darwinium that give you a permanent bonus. You will need a lot more than 419 by the time you reach endgame (currently around RL 74) RL 70+

[tall mirage]

Nah anything 72 and above is endgame coz I'm at 72

[fluid delta]

Heh fair enough, 70+ is endgame, really

[tall mirage]

Nah 70 mid game, 71 late game

[fluid delta]

I dunno, like.. does having Graviton Expansion mean you've reached it, or what?

[tall mirage]

Yea, well l was just spouting BS

[fluid delta]

hehe.. yeah, so was I, basically. Endgame is a nebulous thing, after all!

[tall mirage]

Indeed, mid 2026, we should be 80+ hopefully

[fluid delta]

Hopefully! And I will hopefully be 1 level ahead of everyone else! 😆 like I am now

[tall mirage]

I wish they change the xp levels of 70+ and make it kinda linear to how it was before in the future

Well butchered the sentence, but u get my pt

[tall mirage]

Yea prolly

[fluid delta]

yeah.. though it doesn't matter much as long as the nodes and generators are designed to match

[tall mirage]

Yea, but I wanna reach 100

[fluid delta]

Don't we all!!

[dry cairn]

Here is your semi weekly screenshot of what each event looks like if you add 200 people to your friend list.

[prime zinc]

i have a question, if you reset your game does in game purchases stay ?

[fluid delta]

Dang!!

[prime zinc]

or lost and have to buy again ?

[fluid delta]

Depends how you mean it. If you mean the button that resets primary simulation (scroll up to see the screenshot from earlier today from Nora) then it just resets primary and reality engine only.

I am not certain, but I think any in-game button is not going to void your purchases.

Ofc if you start a new run with a new account, starting from zero, then you'll be at zero as if you were a new player.

[prime zinc]

i was thinking completely new game as if new account

but it has a button in game that says delete account, so i thought maybe

could be it was able to restore if connected to your google account

[fluid delta]

Doing a new account/total fresh start is easy. If on Steam, uninstall the game INCLUDING all user data. Then re-install the game but before you run it, tell it not to use cloud saves. Start playing. Go into save manager, give it a new email address (and create a password). And you're done! And probably regularly upload your save to the cloud. I do.

[keen mango]

Just prestieged meso

[toxic meteor]

Can someone tell me how this new reboot thing works?

[fluid delta]

Not sure what you mean. Which new reboot thing?

[gloomy jacinth]

Hi, since big update changing metabits and adding knowledge ?

[sturdy spruce]

Hi people, one question for you: was I just inactive too long during this outbreak event or is it actually a bit harder than previous ones?

[fluid delta]

No, outbreak seemed pretty normal to me. If there were changes, I didn't notice them

[sturdy spruce]

Just asking because I usually finish them in two days tops, but this one i'm a bit close to not being able to finish

[gloomy jacinth]

Mmm the game has a delete account option no?

[fluid delta]

I got it done in about 2 hours, and while I do have a 246% badge bonus, even without that as a new player, that would have meant about 5 hours.

[gloomy jacinth]

Flask scientific things depend on the leaderboard classement

[fluid delta]

you never lose flasks/science. Numbers always go up, including in Outbreaks event

oh, sure, rank will go up and down bc your rank is based on how other people in your Division are doing at a point in time.. and it checks every few minutes or something like that.

[warm lodge]

The waiting for the time chambers is done. Now the time crystals.

[fluid delta]

I don't remember if it does or not

[sturdy spruce]

It's pribably because of rank refresh from the central leaderboard

[fluid delta]

Leaderboard outside of events means nothing and is broken anyway. Only the leaderboard inside an event matters (but you can't see other players except those that are friended)

[sturdy spruce]

Yes, yes, by central i meant the server event leaderboard

[warm lodge]

My leaderboard is broken.

[sturdy spruce]

Btw, in primary, I was at rank 27 about 7-10 days ago when I was last active here, now I am at rank 56. When can I expect the progress to slowdown so that I need to rely on time chamber and what is an appropriate amount of time appropriate for this level?

[fluid delta]

everyone's is. more than usual, I mean 🙂

[fluid delta]

You mean research level? If you have all the time nodes unlocked, then that's the obvious time to do an empty sim run for 21 game days. But, if buy doing a quick run (5 min or whatever) and you can earn enough to buy nodes, then you should do that. Empty Sim Run is best when it takes multiple reboots to get anything on the RE tree. IMO.

[blazing tide]

is it just me or is outbreak really one of the hardest exploration events out of all them

[fluid delta]

... though there isn't an absolute rule here bc that 21 d will give you the equivalent of 10 000 000 quick reboots, so..

[blazing tide]

first time completing it and it took so longgg even with having it open for most of the day + time flux

[fluid delta]

I didn't find it difficult. Mind you, I have done it lots of times already

[sturdy spruce]

Same feelings here, but people tell me it's normal

[outer harness]

Hallo

[sturdy spruce]

Interesting, currently I do reboots every/every second day

[blazing tide]

damnnn

i figured extinction, ai, set in stone, money, and outbreaks are the hardest bunch

[fluid delta]

That’s one option, certainly!

[warm lodge]

To me it probably is. Except for extinctions which is my hardest. But I think this mostly is because infection has not been up much lately, so I have fewer badges and slower speed.

[blazing tide]

yeah i agree, extinction is TOUGH

[gloomy jacinth]

On mobile you can delete your save, at the bottom

[fluid delta]

k. though a save isn’t the account

[gloomy jacinth]

Level 56 I think he still have node to unlock related to last updates so 11d runs could be better

Also not sure he has already the time upgrades

[gloomy jacinth]

For events now I don't care if I don't finish it. I just take the logits and badges, but then I know I will have time later to finish it

[fluid delta]

Yeah, idk, my plan next update is to do quick reboots to get all the easy new reality engine nodes (including all new time nodes), and as much of the new things in Primary as I can, and only then do an empty sim run

[blazing tide]

yeahhh over time my badges should pile up anyway

same with my logits, i have 1k+ now thankfully

[sturdy spruce]

I currently am progressing through amphibians and didn't finish the age of exploration 2nd set of upgrades.
I am held back by the fact that I am level 13 in beyond so I didn't yet unlock Martian city and Logits have been a rare resource so I don't have 80% nodes that can be bought with logits.

With a reboot every 24-48hours I usually reach another upgrade in RE, but I was just wondering if this strategy was holding me back and I should rely more on longer time between reboots starting now, or I should wait to unlock the nodes in scientific revolution and finishing up amphibians and martian city before switching to that strategy

[prime zinc]

another question, is there any reason to complete a event more than once ?

[gloomy jacinth]

Maybe it's another reason to not bother too much with events, then you just have useless (now) logits

Me I still have things to buy with, so it's ok to slowly get logits

[blazing tide]

i still have 8 augment items to buy so yeah

[gloomy jacinth]

Ok so I guess you don't have any time upgrade or not max

You should search inside the re engine, or just look if you have it locked in the metabits/knowledge upgrades

I mean the 21 and 11 days times are related to those upgrades, so if you don't have it or not max, you should reboot when it's full

[blazing tide]

rest... finally...

[gloomy jacinth]

Also you can prioritize some upgrades

[fluid delta]

each time it comes around in the rotation, yes, absolutely. You get a bonus to speed for having done it before, and you get 3 more badges.

[warm lodge]

Don't you have saved Reality Engine currencies of your current empty sim runs ready to buy the next RE nodes when the next chapter arrives?

[fluid delta]

Yes I do!

[gloomy jacinth]

If you choose metabits and knowledge gains over entropy and ideas and sim speed, then you should reboot more often

[prime zinc]

but during the same rotation ?

[gloomy jacinth]

But it will take more time to unlock new nodes and gain science levels

[fluid delta]

oh, then no, not unless you are trying to get Top 10 or 25 for the goodies, once the event ends

[fluid delta]

nope. well.. maybe currently, but that gets fixed in the next update

[gloomy jacinth]

I mean .. it was part of the big update announcement that we could choose upgrades related to our gameplay

[sturdy spruce]

Yes I upgraded metabit and knowledge time crystals both to level 1, entropy time chamber is currently lvl 4, and idea time chamber is lvl 5. So, not yet maxed on the upgrades on both branches

[gloomy jacinth]

And mines were nice to get upgrades fast but not bother too much with the game, even without time boosts

I could reboot almost each week with nice upgrades, but I'm late in nodes unlocking and research level

[boreal summit]

Hello

[gloomy jacinth]

Hello

[boreal summit]

Cells is rlly fun

[gloomy jacinth]

I don't know... Maybe it's because first I forgot about the new upgrades related to all generators, even the smallest

The numbers matter now, so buying all generators even if their production is useless by itself, will increase production anyway

[sturdy spruce]

Yeah, because of the upgrades that give a boost based on number of generators, right?

[amber canyon]

You can choose. So far it either seems to make little diffference; or one option is streets ahead of the others.

[gloomy jacinth]

So you can see in the reality engine when the time crystal is full, and then bigger upgrade will raise the time you can benefit boost

[gloomy jacinth]

Yeah I have one example in mind, I don't bother with clic upgrades because for now I almost never take time to click or autoclick on screen

[sturdy spruce]

So they all fill at the same rate, it's just that the bigger upgrades have a bigger time they need to full charge. If I understood thid correctly?

[amber canyon]

True. But the cost of any single click re node is only relevant for one run. After that.single run, your production has increased and it's cost is pocket change.

[gloomy jacinth]

Yeah bigger cap

[gloomy jacinth]

Click are not related to your actual production* ? Or it's what you mean..?

Oh you mean buying click upgrades are cheap after one run

[amber canyon]

I mean you can be deciding whether or not to buy a click mode or something else. Because you have limited metabits/knowledge. But your next run you will have so many more metabits / knowledge that you can buy it easily because it's now (relatively) cheap.

[gloomy jacinth]

Ok

[gloomy jacinth]

Full

Not full

[sturdy spruce]

Thank you

[woven arch]

I found it to take twice as long as the Image Explore took, is all I'm saying.

[fluid delta]

Cryptids is the main one that's a waste of time. 1 badge for the effort/time that 3 takes. Not worth it unless you're bored

[gloomy jacinth]

Some events are really weird on generators costs production and time to produce

[woven arch]

I mean, Cryptids was easy. Was it not?

[gloomy jacinth]

Like having downsides in upgrades or the ia with one week or more but then big win

[fluid delta]

All events are easy

[gloomy jacinth]

But some are hard to understand first time

[fluid delta]

the time they take can vary though

[woven arch]

Yeah, you can say that. >:T You have a million badges.

[fluid delta]

eh idk, i found all of them easy to understand.. there isn't much to it

[fluid delta]

this also applies to when I did a event for the first time. all badges do is make it take less time. that's it.

[woven arch]

I wasn't able to complete events until the most recent two. 😭

[gloomy jacinth]

I mean ones with extinctions, ia, and others .. things that makes generator disappear or really slow in production

One when you need to wait more than event time at first but then it's fast

I think you see

[fluid delta]

mechanically, Cells as a game is really simple. it takes time to do it, and it's fun and the text on the things is interesting and all that.. but conceptually, it all is very straightforward, that's how I see it anyway

[woven arch]

I don't even know how I learned of Cells. I think I was just browsing Steam as usual. :T

[fluid delta]

Yeah I forget where I saw it too.. in my case, on ipad

[gloomy jacinth]

I see it like antimatter dimensions but with graphics, one is more a terminal game, and the other AAA lol

I'm not a big fan of idle games. And I don't see c2s or other games as idle games if the background/lore is interesting

Also showing numbers and math is really interesting

[woven arch]

I like C2S because of learning.

[fluid delta]

it is an idle game though. there’s no real decisions to be made, and it’s all about making the numbers go up, which IS fun, but still..

[gloomy jacinth]

The fact it's really close to our actual real scientific progression, and not going too much in theories and sci fi, is really nice too

It looks like matrix in a way

[fluid delta]

Welllll… it does take some liberties. It’s not intended to be 100% accurate or anything

[gloomy jacinth]

Or many other nice medias with a concept of simulation/virtual world

Yes the part with mars cyborgs and singularity is more theories and sci fi

But we are getting close to AGI sooooo ? 😅

[woven arch]

I kinda liked the sci-fi stuff. 🥲 Maybe they'll bring it back in some other part of the game.

[gloomy jacinth]

What I liked when I got back to the game recently is the fact the ai is talking to us like a friend or work partner

[fluid delta]

No, we are NOT getting close to AGI, that’s pure marketing. And a Mars colony is decades away, Cyborgs in the classic scifi sense aren’t close either (though open to interpretation), and Singularity is probably a thing that will never happen.. or at least not this century. So, fun and all but NOT accurate.

[gloomy jacinth]

I don't know for agi, but even ai, I think we could get lost soon

But also I know there is another thing concerning, is how we treat close space

[woven arch]

What is AGI?

[gloomy jacinth]

Soon we will be unable to launch anything in space, nor observe with a telescope

[fluid delta]

AI as it exists is just fancy statistical matching, with big problems. It has it’s uses (like DLSS upscaling for games), but mostly it’s a net negative

[fluid delta]

Depends on how you mean that, if I agree with you on that or not

[gloomy jacinth]

Agi is general intelligence something really sentient or able to do whatever we could program or make it learn by itself

Hard to explain in a sentence sorry

[woven arch]

Hmmm

[fluid delta]

oh, no, we are nowhere close to that. Not at all.

[gloomy jacinth]

I mean, many countries showed their space destruction capabilities

We had already many little debris junk in space, we are creating more by will, we add more satellites constellations

It's not stable. And it could just become uncontrollable, chain reaction. Done

[fluid delta]

Oh, that. That’s a possibility, sure, but no guarantee that will happen either.

[gloomy jacinth]

For me one sort of agi could be if we put ai in all things ruling our world and interconnect them

Then if we continue and success in making more ai inventing new ai and their own language, we will really end up not understanding what they do, so it could be hard to manage and keep the lead on them

But I get it's not really the agi concept I think I couldn't explain it correctly, it's mixing with too much sci fi. Or theories

[gloomy jacinth]

Do you know how much little junk pieces 3 or 4 satellites destructions (by their own country) made ?

And how much time iss people needed to stay inside a secured module ?

I mean it's already happening, and with starlink we will have too much ....

Also many military applications for space destruction are already in service

[fluid delta]

I think you misunderstand how LLMs and "AI" and all that is. LLMs also have big vulnerabilities, in part bc we don't know how they internally work.. but how to use them is well enough understood that there is malware already that exploits it.

[woven arch]

Anyone else who has a crush on Semblance ✌️😔

[fluid delta]

We do not have a Kessler effect yet. We might never have that. There's ways to deorbit stuff faster, and stuff will deorbit even if left alone.. As to time to stay in ISS, that's a totally different topic. The kessler effect is NOT happening, and Starlink won't change that.. if anything Starlink is a lot better than most bc they fly at low orbits and even without intervention will deorbit in those orbits within a few years.

[gloomy jacinth]

I don't know if it was real. But with jailbreak ai it seems it can become really weird, when they start to invent one oral/sound language more efficient and we can't understand anything ... I don't know
I should find you a link and you will tell me what you think of it

[fluid delta]

No, it's ok, no link needed. All I am really trying to express is that there's a lot of hype about it, and very rich people are trying to sell you things so they can become even richer.. and the hype itself raises stock prices which is why they are doing it, ofc. Most of it is total BS though.

[gloomy jacinth]

We will see, but I would be more than happy to agree with you, yeah I mean it's not happening now, but it seems we are not on a good way, and actual wars are also a problem, but ok it's better to stay positive, optimistic I agreee

[gloomy jacinth]

Yeah ok don't worry. What pisses me off now that I think, for ai. It's just electronics prices, the rest I am ok with it

I probably mix real science with too much sci fi and strange physics theories

[fluid delta]

nodnod.. yes, the AI bubble has made some computer parts (RAM, GPU, SSD) crazy expensive. This year will be a terrible time to build

[lofty magnet]

Lovely or not. Just wasted 30 darwinium in the outbreak event to try to get close to finish it. But that was useless is my bet. I thought that starting 2 days before the finish with 30 % boost would be enough but no.
And cheese I have never played so darwinium is going to be needed there.

Hi, I didn't think I would find a PWS player here lol

The goal is always to complete the event. Rarely replay them, but trying to get all the augments after all these years and I need the logits. Have played for years but never bother with them until now

And I really thought 2 days would be enough for an event I have already played but no.

The outbreak event seems to be one of the slowest ones. With weird synergy.

I have even had x4 or x2 the whole time. And 30 darwinum to time flux

[fluid delta]

this is the way

[lofty magnet]

But then the badges is not complete lol. How its that Woking with the boost each event you replay, is it 10 % speed per badge or what? Seems weird to have 2 2 and 1 of the badges so to speak.

[fluid delta]

You will need to spend at least 5000 or so to get all the permanent stuff with darwinium that you'll want.. so save up. The 3 badges you get in an event collectively speed up the event 30% the next iteration of that event. That stacks, if you do the event multiple times (though the increase rate reduces if > 200%).

Also, every badge gained also improves progress in Primary/Reality Engine, if you have the nodes for it (which are cheap)

[lofty magnet]

But if you only get to 2 badges in an event you lose on the speed next time you play it?

[fluid delta]

No, 1st badge 5%, 2nd 10%, 3rd 15%

[lofty magnet]

So you really need the third to be completely honest.

[fluid delta]

So if you have 5 badges total from previous times doing the event, that's (5+10+15+5+10)=45%

[lofty magnet]

But anyhow, is the outbreak the hardest/slowest of them all? Seems like Lurking in the dark is the fastest

[fluid delta]

No. But it is something you want to get, just don't spend DW for it

[lofty magnet]

Always has but haven't started this late before because I thought the 30 % would do something but no

[fluid delta]

how late did you start? and how often do you go into and out of the the event when you're playing it?

[lofty magnet]

2 days ish. Always closing the game because i use my tablet for other stuff but have had x4 or x2 the whole time.
But as I said, the outbreak most be the slowest one.

But have played on and off for these two days

[fluid delta]

2 days might be tough if you haven't done it before. How often did you go into and out of the event?

[lofty magnet]

Have done it once before

[fluid delta]

Ok, but again.. how often did you go into and out of the event, when you were playing it?

[lofty magnet]

I don't really know but 10-20 times a day is my guess. Once in a while so to speak. Sometimes every hour, sometimes a few hours in between and of course never when I was sleeping

[fluid delta]

Ah ok.. I think that's what's inhibiting your progress. Go in every 5 minutes instead. You will progress a LOT faster in the event.

(event progress is faster when you are out of the event as compared to being in it, which is not how it is in the rest of the game)

[lofty magnet]

I can't do that all the time but sometimes I have. But as I said I use my tablet for other stuff and not going to pause a video for playing every fem minutes.

[fluid delta]

Fair enough, I am just saying what it optimal for it. Up to you if you want to do it. And start day 1.

[mellow carbon]

10-20 times/day should let you finish easily. it might not get you top 10.

[lofty magnet]

And if thats the case the devs has screwed up. Mobile players can't be in the game all the time. It's an idle game not playing all the time

[fluid delta]

(ie: ignore ranking)

[fluid delta]

sure they can. lots do. it's not mandatory, but it really does help. An alternative on Steam is to sit in the event and use an autoclicker, that's viable too

[lofty magnet]

Something didn't work this time clearly.
I tried to Google how long it will take and which events is the slowest but no.
I did the same thing with Lurking in the dark, I had 60 there but anyhow it was finished in like a day

[mellow carbon]

I mean I started with 2 days left to go, have made it to prestige 3 (I do have 260%, but given the cost boost for prestiges, I think that's only making later prestiges similar to playing w/o boost)

[fluid delta]

Events all take roughly the same amount of time in the sense that you can get them done in less than a day.

(even without doing it before)

[lofty magnet]

As I said im a passive player. Boost to x4 and goes to do other things, come back every 15 minutes to an hour but this event was not good for that. I think the way the diffrent currency works is not good if you are like me.

[fluid delta]

but that is doing what I described, with 4x ad boost, etc

[woven arch]

AHH. WHAT IS THAT.

[mellow carbon]

Maybe you're buying the wrong generators? When you come back, do you do the nanobots and refresh them?

[woven arch]

It's kinda cool, and strange...

[mellow carbon]

The universe is magical and mysterious.

[lofty magnet]

Yes but I think this event is a weird one. The other works better passive but this one you need the human to buy things to speed other things and the illness to have enough currency to buy a generator to speed the human currency. And that is not good when you are playing passive. You need many diffent nodes to each currency for it to work passive so to speak

[woven arch]

AGREED

Spiderweb stuff going on behind there....

Space is so cool.

[dense viper]

That's for the stars and nebulas

[woven arch]

Uraniborg you will be mine.

[mellow carbon]

I haven't noticed a large difference between the events, but for this event the trick of not buying max is more important. I buy until there is ~20 left, especially on the humans where the majority of the benefit you get will be from the next upgrade, and you want the currency to be able to buy that upgrade rather than spending it on generators.

[lofty magnet]

I always but round in events so usually 10 at the time
But I think an feelt like it has been slower then other events. The synergies is not right for passive players

[honest sphinx]

67

[fluid delta]

When buying generators in events, I buy to where it takes 2 or so seconds for a new increment of it.

[fluid delta]

You'll get there. Only another 6 to go to reach 73!

[honest sphinx]

Is that the max

[fluid delta]

effective max is probably 74 rn

[sturdy spruce]

I cracked it when I started up play a few hours ago to finish it. Used a few(about 5) time fluxes but got it under 2 hours from half finished to finished without any boosts first time playing. The hack is simple: when buying a new generator, buy just one, then the first node after it for a nice boost and then go back to buy more of the same generator so you boost your production immensely, afterwards go for the next upgrade, then usually human upgrade and afterwards plague upgrade then repeat with a new generator

[honest sphinx]

Oh

Ok

[fluid delta]

but.. don't spend DW on time fluxes, that's a waste.. unless you don't mind buying more in the store.

[lofty magnet]

Have tried something like that and it wouldn't work.
I think AI and Outbreak is the worst for passive players.
Never played cheese so that I dont know yet.

Luckily the cheese one starts around 10 pm sp can get it started and boost it and go to bed and let it do its thing

[sturdy spruce]

I agree, but I bought the limited time deal for 175 dw and 1 day pass. So this helped a lot.
Btw, the pass is actually a nice upgrade I must admit

[fluid delta]

the pass is nice, for sure. You will need a lot of dw total though, to get up to endgame

[lofty magnet]

I hope to soon get 5 each day. But im torn between that and 5x sim speed.

[fluid delta]

I am guessing 5000 dw total? not sure?

[lofty magnet]

When I start played this game DW was only used for boosting and nothing else. No DW is more and more important.

[fluid delta]

Yes. That changed with the revamp

[sturdy spruce]

Well, I maxed out upgrades, modules and augments. The only ones I don't have yet are the level locked augments and logit augments

[lofty magnet]

It changed before that also. The augments did it

[fluid delta]

though there were certainly necessary permanent items before

[lofty magnet]

So is 5 DW each day more important than sim speed?

[polar viper]

im tired boss. let it be over pls

[woven arch]

I'm never joining events early after this. 😭

[mellow carbon]

Round is effectively max but with up to 9 left over. You'll do better if you leave ~20, but that's because the research keeps flipping back and forth between the two types.

[polar viper]

same

[lofty magnet]

Thanks for that when I struggle. Guess I should have played events more than I have.

[mellow carbon]

But it gets easier each time as you accumulate the boosts.

[sturdy spruce]

Is this on steam, i play on mobile and I have 12? 🤔

[lofty magnet]

Yeah. Most early generators is on 20 but later one may be higher to boost things

[polar viper]

the challenge modes have 13. dont ask me why. first round is 12

[mellow carbon]

That's not what I mean. What I mean is that if max says you could buy 90, you only buy 70. E.g. right now I have 143 human (28 purchasable), 4 syphilis (4 purchasable), and I'm ignoring everything else because it's low. I only bought the extra syphilis because it's 4x more than 1 generator. Going from 4->8 is likely not worth it. over gettig the next upgrade.

I don't buy the less productive generators until it's time to prestige.

This event will sometimes take really old generators and make them worth it. There's some point where you go back and buy ~400 plague.

[lofty magnet]

Min max, the thing I always has avoided and are complicated. Therefore I buy round. Have 640 humans but that's not enough to get to the last badge

The weirs thing is that im in place 80. And in 1 hour im not going to finish it so it seems like many is struggling big times

And I just release that the cheese is going to start at 11 pm my time so thats going to require a push to have it in a place thar I can leave it over night

[dry cairn]

Better to not start it until the next day.

[fluid delta]

oh, screw off, scammer.

[dry cairn]

<@&535129309648781332> 👆

[fluid delta]

<@&535129309648781332> scammer

[fluid delta]

Unless you don't care about rank/top whatever, in which case start Day 1. Ofc.

[sturdy spruce]

Mr. Wang, nice to meet you again after two years, how are you, how are the kids?

[woven arch]

What does Wang Chuanfu want with us, man.

[lofty magnet]

Or start the event for the first time then you need to start the first day to even have a chance to semi complete it

[sturdy spruce]

Add his cars in the store, for a small price of 50k DW 😂

[woven arch]

😭

[azure turtle]

Dude

[fluid delta]

Heh, dirt cheap at that price.

[azure turtle]

Oh he's writing

Yep guess so

[sturdy spruce]

Isn't that the point of BYD? 😂

[fluid delta]

Yes, but not THAT cheap! 😄

[hollow haven]

!ban 1466495954319577334 scam

[bright otter]

Banned wangchuanfu0569 (Case #4249) (user notified with a direct message)

[azure turtle]

Nooo, I wanted to see what he wanted to say

[woven arch]

Now we will never know what he was going to say.

[hollow haven]

my bad, fam

[fluid delta]

Nono, you did right, SirH!

[sturdy spruce]

Well, honestly idc what he wanted to say, I am just sad that we couldn't beg for a free sample car 😂

[azure turtle]

Anyway, time to check again for his alts

[dry cairn]

This is probably the most I've ever played an event. Wasnt fun. Not doing it again 😂

[fluid delta]

nvm was a little dense there

[dry cairn]

I toggled to the friend tab where the crazy people are.

[fluid delta]

yes i realized that after I commented

it would be nice if they showed that for your Div though.

[dry cairn]

Its rare for me to join an event at the beginning and this one generates more points than most events so I stayed somewhat active to see.

I kept adding friends yet the number of friends in each event stayed around 70. Either the new people I added are inactive or others became inactive or the list has a limit.
Im only adding people 72+ so that I know they've played atleast somewhat recently.

1/15 = 72/100
1/19 = 73/120
1/22 = 69/160
1/26 = 58/190
1/29 = 70/190

[fluid delta]

nodnod

[dry cairn]

More random data, lol.

Ill hit 21d3h this evening. Ill leave it going overnight to see if it makes any progress toward 74 (doubtful)

[fluid delta]

Nice!! And I think you will, actually

[lofty galleon]

I am not dead

[fluid delta]

screenshots to #🏆-share-your-prestige

[wary iron]

Is it just me or the ranking in Explore Portal events is weird after the update? I couldn't get ranks as easy as I could before the update.

[lofty magnet]

Didn't complete the event but punched the max on everything when it was like 30 second left and somehow came 24 on the leaderboard. Most have been in a division that struggled with this one

[wary iron]

I struggled with this one, too. I hit high amounts but my rank was too slow comparing to previous ones.

[lofty magnet]

It was unusually slow yeah

[dry cairn]

There is always going to be some randomness to it depending on what other players end up in the same division as you.

[lofty magnet]

And therefore got lucky I was in a division that struggled just as much as I did

[wary iron]

Ive never experienced this before. It was really too slow to get ranks.

[coral crow]

Who had the brilliant idea to end the event at 14:45 or so

[lofty magnet]

For me it ended when it should have.

[coral crow]

When is "when it should have"?

[wary iron]

50 for me

[fluid delta]

14:50 I think? (your time zone)

[wary iron]

Yeah

[coral crow]

May have been 50

[wary iron]

I am in Turkiye so mine is 00:50am lol

[lofty magnet]

22.50 here, 10.50 pm here in my time zone

[coral crow]

Still seems like an oddly specific time

[lofty magnet]

The events end not on whole hour

[coral crow]

Yes I'm whining because I missed the last badge

[lofty magnet]

Because the new events starts in whole hours so to speak

[wary iron]

But it has always been so. Nothing new.

[lofty magnet]

You should have known that. It always ends 10 minutes before the next whole hour so to speak

[coral crow]

I've been away from the game for a hot minute.

[lofty magnet]

Me too but have learned that

[coral crow]

Well now I have learned that

[wary iron]

This event was the last one I got all the badges.

[lofty magnet]

Onto the cheese event never played it before so going to start now so I hopefully get all the badges when the event ends

[wary iron]

I somehow couldn't catch its end.

[next veldt]

Why is the timer moving up?! It's in the negatives now

[fluid delta]

Dairy Delights has started now... well, 6 minutes ago, actually. That's why. Idk why it's letting you go into Infection, but it might error out if you do. Restart Cells to fix.

[white egret]

yeah, leave and rejoin the game to play it

[mellow carbon]

Interesting that you've added a bunch of friends that are all above you. You were the top of my friend list by a fair bit this time.

[lofty magnet]

Playing the cheese one now so its definitely started

[dry cairn]

Most of them were directly around my level from the global leaderboard. A handful of high level accounts though

[mellow carbon]

I guess you're in the part of the leaderboard where people play the events a lot. I was adding people around my level every reset for a while but most of the people I ended up adding don't play events too much.

[next veldt]

Oh ok

Thanks

[lofty magnet]

It maybe is because I should sleep soon, its midnight here, but the music/soundtrack in the cheese event is one of the best in the game.

[wary iron]

I urgently need Mollusk to unlock or 73 will never end! It has been 8 days in this sim.

[mellow carbon]

I don't know what you're worried about. You've only got 1425 trillion years to wait.
You should at some point get some more upgrads that get you closer, but yea, without Mollusk I don't think anyone is going to advance. I'm at 2.45E288, which is still effectively infinitely far away.

[fluid delta]

Yeah, level 75 is certainly way out of bounds for me, until Mollusks, and I have nearly all the RE tree completed.

[mellow carbon]

I guess I'll find out if you can get 74 with RE nearly complete on the next reboot. I'm sitting on a ton of metabits and knowledge waiting for Mollusks but if I get done with this idle run and it's still a week or more out, I'll just buy out.

[wary iron]

Buy out what?

[fading prairie]

hey guys

i just started cells to singularity a week ago

[nocturne cloak]

My last upgrade was at about 150 metabit, when would you recommend I do my next one

[fluid delta]

I would guess he means he'll buy the nodes he can, then go ahead and do another idle run until Mollusks drops.

[wary iron]

I bought all of the bonuses modules augments etx.

[fluid delta]

You do as you see fit. The loop in general is to go as far as you can, wait a little bit to accumulate metabits and knowledge, end sim, buy nodes, repeat. Eventually you will get to a point where it takes a run or two to get a reality engine node, at which point do an idle run

[fading prairie]

anyone have a tip for me to get better at the game?

[fluid delta]

Do the obvious smart thing as you play? The game is not complicated, even if there are a lot of things to touch/click.

[white egret]

<@&535129309648781332> scam

[hollow haven]

!ban 368841416941633537 take a hint

[bright otter]

Banned bonniecatastrophe (Case #4251) (user notified with a direct message)

[primal stump]

!ban 368841416941633537

[bright otter]

User is already banned indefinitely.

[primal stump]

Really

[magic lichen]

damn I come in and I see mass ban hammer coming down

what they said?

[celest forum]

It would be cool to be able to see other people gardens

I feel we should be able to do personalization to them, like adding some statues or structures or change the theme

[magic lichen]

bad idea

[sharp gate]

Is anyone else having trouble getting the game to update on Steam? The game keeps on telling me "Please update to play event." Nada. No files to download on steam. Exiting & getting back in does nothing.

[sharp gate]

The mod said "scam" so it could be any number of scams possibly including hyping up some meme cryptocurrency.

[magic lichen]

did you try to check files integrity?

[white egret]

are you on an alpha version?

[sharp gate]

I am on version "42_68" on steam. I am not sure if that is Alpha or not.

[white egret]

its not alpha but its not the latest version

and steam doesnt say theres an update?

you should be on 43_04

[sharp gate]

I have set steam to grab all updates.

[white egret]

maybe exit and re-enter steam

or just turn it off and on

[gray tapir]

What did the scammer say?

[sharp gate]

Hmmm... I exited all steam games. I reopened steam and suddenly a download began. I am at the correct version now. Strange, but I will take it.

[sharp gate]

Thank you for your suggestion. I just didn't expect it to make a difference. Maybe the other open games stalled checking on other game updates.

[white egret]

ah np ig steam is just weird sometimes

[white egret]

it was just the normal crypto scam

[magic lichen]

its taking so long go get enough for next upgrade

[fluid delta]

well, you have plenty of time, and you already half done, so..

[magic lichen]

I want to at least get in the top 10

[polar viper]

At least? 😄 Whats the next best goal beyond top10?

[fluid delta]

Top 25

[forest anchor]

Err

I don't think that's what they meant

[fluid delta]

They did say "next best goal". That's Top 25.

[magic lichen]

ill ask you this is there something if you hit top 1?

until the end of the event of course

[fluid delta]

No, Top 10 is the best you can do. Top 10 used to be Top 1, Top 25 used to be Top 2, and Top 50 used to be Top 3. As you might guess, hardly anyone bothered to try.... or at least I didn't.

[lone rampart]

I EDITED THE laniakea page i just added the image ( dont be mad bru) #spoiler

[magic lichen]

do you mind posting a screen of how it looks like with spoiler tag of course

[lone rampart]

But i put spolier warning

also episode 29 out

[magic lichen]

yes of course

im rushing currently at episode 14

[dense prawn]

I need ideas on how I can save up star fragments faster. Any suggestions?

[woven arch]

You're supposed to put the image in the infobox, no? And also that additional text you added over it should........ not be there. :T It's wasteful.

[dense prawn]

I almost have enough for Eridanus, I do have enough for Hydra but I wanna hold back for now despite X3 click power sounding useful. I could also unlock a 1.5 boost to Earth-like things in Beyond, but I haven't unlocked any of those Earth-like generators yet

[woven arch]

That's not how it works. You're supposed to put a spoiler on the IMAGE.

[white egret]

if you make a wiki edit you really shouldnt leave notes for editors 😭 always think its forward facing

also isnt there literally a section for comments?

[woven arch]

There's a section for comments and then you can <!--Leave comments in the code-->.

[white egret]

oh right cause its html

[woven arch]

Yup.

[keen mango]

what if meso prestiege had new dinosaurs

[swift heron]

I would honestly do all 10 prestige if they just gave us 1 singular new dinosaur per prestige

[keen mango]

i'm so close to getting teh last shark

[woven arch]

I have one more week to go. 🥲

[polar viper]

im bad at english, i ment the next better goal 😄

[white egret]

top 10 is the best, itd prob be even more competitive if they had like top 5 or top 1 or something

[rapid sandal]

Considering the standards of beyond and new primary sim i think they'll add more generators than that to get to like 10^150

[true vigil]

damn the devs are stacked at the game

tell us your secrets

[white egret]

whats this from?

[prime vale]

isnt this my screenshot

nvm it isnt

my screenshot is a big different

[true vigil]

#🗣-cells-socials

Newest tiktok

[white egret]

oh lmao i know exactly what happened

[desert flax]

they used (I can't talk about here since it violates ToS)

[true vigil]

The tiktoks are a really awesome way of teasing stuff

[tall mirage]

See even the devs agree scientific notation is superior

[woven arch]

I LOVE the music that plays when you rank up generators in Beyond.

Me when I just ranked up the entire solar system EXCEPT Mercury because it wanted to be different. <_<

Just got rid of Mars' individuality and for what 😭

[true vigil]

For martian city 11x more efficient

[woven arch]

waow

[unkempt flint]

so I'm looking at the badges list and there are 52 right

but 3 x 17 = 51 so where is the last one

[woven arch]

The Cryptids one?

[unkempt flint]

the what now

event gives only 1 badge?

[woven arch]

yes

https://cell-to-singularity.fandom.com/wiki/Face_Your_Fears

[unkempt flint]

gg wait for rerun

thank you tho, the more I know

[woven arch]

no problem 😌

[keen mango]

what if meso(maybe primaty too?) had some sort of this

[outer stag]

i guess there's a problem: If you change time foward, the offline rewards get confused easily, leading to giving you a very massive reward (abusing that is considered cheating). When will it be fixed?

i heard someone tried to change their time but got massive rewards unexpectedly

[dry cairn]

Difficult to completely prevent that. What they do it flag those accounts as cheaters and put them in a separate leaderboard from everyone else.

[outer stag]

oh yeah, i understand, thanks

[uneven lava]

wait

they decreased event time?

normally its 1 week no?

[steady dune]

<@&535129309648781332> um

[frank condor]

Kinda sus

[primal stump]

!ban 592887353408749593 crypto scammer

[bright otter]

Banned shinjo22 (Case #4254) (user notified with a direct message)

[primal stump]

Thanks

[dry cairn]

They didnt last a week but it did used to be 1 per week. An event for a few days then no event for a few days.
They took away the break of no event.

And instead do 2 per week.

[uneven lava]

oh

[jade bone]

Does prestige in valley also reset my gold geodes?

I forgot tbh

[woven arch]

Don't take my word for it but I think it's level 20

[slow peak]

Probably. But I dont have infinity pass, so I generate 2k Mutagen on a good day

thats 250 days

of collecting the free geode twice

just for one upgrade

I guess I would have to sweat the explore events, but getting top10 without 4x speed seems almost impossible

[slow peak]

Been a while since ive done prestige but I think it only resets the generator-specific cards, not the others

[slow peak]

Whats your highest?

[steady dune]

[woven arch]

Haha gosh you can't ask that, I recently prestiged. 🥲 But I think my highest was level 12 before.

[slow peak]

do the epic cards also reset on prestige?

[steady dune]

Look

[slow peak]

daaamn

[steady dune]

Rare cards also don't reset

[slow peak]

send me some mutagen plis 😄

[steady dune]

just give you 8 diamond geodes then h /s

[slow peak]

yea im not active enough to constantly contest top10 for the dia geodes 🙁

[woven arch]

As Nowadays said, Epic and Rare cards don't reset, only Common.

[slow peak]

But I guess I already have all the hollow bones cards ill ever need then?

[steady dune]

Just focus it for last day and ha ( only if you have time)

[woven arch]

I'm glad I stopped upgrading common cards after level 10 (because they got expensive at that point). I would've crashed out if I had to learn the hard way that I just wasted all my mutagens like that.

[steady dune]

I have it for 15 lvl

[woven arch]

How do you even have so much.

Ah

[slow peak]

there used to be some sort of bug where the random card would always be the same for a game restart

[woven arch]

What!!!!!!!!!

[slow peak]

So once you had the card you needed you just stayed online and flipped the random card every 30 mins

i think it was changed a year ago or sth

but yea it was completely broken

[woven arch]

Shucks....

[stray kestrel]

How do i download the beta version

[keen mango]

is there a globe note/augment?

[polar viper]

time to remove the heretic notations delete normal and custom!

[fluid delta]

time to remove the heretic notations :yes_cat: delete normal and custom! scientific
FTFY

[polar viper]

https://tenor.com/view/imperator-titan-emperor-titan-warhammer40k-warhammer-titan-gif-4397957937098344771

[gloomy jacinth]

Could you play with something else with that sort of numbers ?

[fluid delta]

That's not Cells, it's a different game. Not sure what you're asking here?

[gloomy jacinth]

I mean it's the reason I will stay with scientific notation, I get that In cells most of time numbers are close so maybe it's ok to use other notation, but when it's with big numbers I don't get it

But we already talked about it too much there lol.

[fluid delta]

When numbers get ludicriously big, things need refactoring so they are moved back to a more sensible range, IMO. Plus, faster for the system to calculate with them too.

[polar viper]

A system isnt game specific. Scientific is Universal the better one. Not only in cells .and the others are universal garbage.
Also your entire postal code area just got fried by a titan for the heresy

[fluid delta]

lol.. I still like Custom better.

[gloomy jacinth]

When you need to compare 3350, 1e3799 and 1e28,891 and everything in between, even we can find the numbers with prefix ... It would be hard

[fluid delta]

That too.. but the game would need refactoring at that point, that's just silly.

[polar viper]

Nice, im talking about objective facts tho. not personal preferences

[fluid delta]

There aren't objective facts to be had, other than "Normal is bad". I think we can concur there! 😄

[gloomy jacinth]

I also agree that to share numbers it's better to use mathematics, scientific notation that everyone in the world could understand, even if they don't have the same alphabet and other local units

[fluid delta]

Sure, but at least for Cells, playing the game, Custom I find is easiest.

[polar viper]

The objective facts is that normal and custom systems (just like imperial or fahrenheit) are just trash.

But i can understand that u prefer some of the obscure systems for some funny challenge reasons

[gloomy jacinth]

Custom is AA BBB ... ?

[fluid delta]

It's not challenge reasons, it's easier/faster to parse.

Custom is same as normal up to trillions, and continues on every 1000 with AA, BB, CC, etc.

[polar viper]

Which is garbage to pass compared to scientific notation.
Better than normal which are just random letters at some point, but still inferior

[fluid delta]

Not inferior. It avoids the "random letters" bit that you have to memorize to even make use of, and preserves the ease of use

[gloomy jacinth]

Ok so then you need to calculate with ^26 ? If you use latin

And what with cirilic or asian characters ? They also get AA BB when they set custom ?

[polar viper]

We can agree that custom is superior to normal

[fluid delta]

Yes, custom is superior to normal, for sure. Sci Notation is best when doing calculations/math, but for visual use in this game, Custom is easier to play with.

[polar viper]

Also Whats with ä ü ö ß

Or all the other unicode symbols

[fluid delta]

Unicode is a total mess

[gloomy jacinth]

საქართველო

This one is special.

[polar viper]

Alphabets are a mess, because like everyone uses its own. Really bad idea to base a system on, where you have an universal alternative based on real numbers

[fluid delta]

You are trying to conflate on purpose here, I think. I'm sure you know why Custom is beneficial, and I have already expressed where I think Scientific as used in this game is beneficial, so.... discussion done?

[gloomy jacinth]

Mmmm now you make me remember about utf8 versus Windows one, char thing

[fluid delta]

As to unicode being a mess or not, that's a completely different topic.

[polar viper]

No, this discussion is done, the moment on beta branch custom and normal got yeeted.
Also you see my name?

[gloomy jacinth]

I think they need to add an option to see real numbers with all 0

But I let them choose the screen layout then

Also is the max still e308 ?

[fluid delta]

No

[gloomy jacinth]

I mean for real inside the code

[fluid delta]

Pretty sure not

[gloomy jacinth]

Ok

[dry cairn]

Youre only low on mutagen during your first run. Once you do a prestige or two, its not a concern.

[gloomy jacinth]

They did say now the engine can handle more than 1.79e308

But is it real inside the code, or is it a trick, as other games, they just use the real limit and then calculate the bigger numbers...

[fluid delta]

As long as the game does what it's supposed to do, that's what matters.

[gloomy jacinth]

For me it could mean the game is working more smoothly or with more accuracy, or it will be possible for many new updates to go up in numbers, without having bad performance

But yeah not important
It's just interesting and i'll search for more later

[fluid delta]

Implementation details in the code is the devs' business, not ours.

[gloomy jacinth]

I drink water and eat food everyday, but I'm still interested in how it's made and whatever I could learn, even if it's not always "my business"

And same for many other things 😊

If it makes sense ...

If I want to code a game one day, it would be required to know if it's possible, how, and what it changes on the hardware side

[polar viper]

You have to do some shenanigans in incremental games kinda. You cant just use the common double. Not only because of the max limit you also get problems if very big number and smoll number interacts.

So at some point u kinda have to split the exponent from the base into 2 datapoints

And integers are just too limited

[fluid delta]

Sure, but ofc it is possible, if you know some basic programming and/or computer science, you realize that data structures are a thing, you can represent large numbers (for instance) as a compound object etc etc..

[polar viper]

Thats what i said

[fluid delta]

Yes, I think we were typing at the same time lol

[polar viper]

Ah lol

[fluid delta]

Anyway, I will just add that knowing that it's possible isn't going to help Folken write game code later on..

[polar viper]

Its an interesting topic. Especially the tricks to not accumulate lots of rounding errors.
Entering numerical territory

[fluid delta]

Sure, but this Discord isn't really the place for that sort of learning. There's lots of places that are way better.

[polar viper]

Have to actually think about algorithms, performance and accuracy.
Something u usually dont do as normal game dev.

At least not on this low level

Wouldnt be surprised if there are some dev discords

[gloomy jacinth]

I know some stuff but it's more about things 20+ years ago. I am starting again to...

And yeah there are devs or just people doing stuff by themselves discords

And this question started from that c2s announcement

I wasn't thinking about this game or another idle game hitting a max limit that electronics or software for coding have.

Light speed or over light speed wasn't a thing in the past in electronics ... Sorry

[fluid delta]

... exceeding light speed has never been an issue in electronics and still isn't, bc it's impossible

and basic stuff like this uses knowledge from the 1980s, really. it's not recent.

your best bet if you are curious and have some time, is to make a little library in python or whatever, to express immense numbers, and use it in some little project.. as a learning experience!

(an obvious representation would be an object with two 32-bit integers: one being the exponent, the other being the mantissa emulating fixed point as Y.XXXX..XX where X are digits. Easy)

[keen mango]

I JUST OBTAINED THE LAST SHARK!

[gloomy jacinth]

Yeah sorry for that. I meant something more like having now electronics capable of dealing with signals close to light speed, and everything else that is "bigger" now

And also related to code optimization, it seems now that we have the choice for mostly/mainly Good perf electronics, devs don't bother too much with optimization as before, because now they have a bigger margin before the device can't handle the code

Also it's strange now how big games with a well defined code, and a more standard (no personal choices or modding/building inside the game) gameplay can be ressource consuming, but it stay relatively stable when it's running

But games like minecraft/Roblox/terraria... When you can build things inside the game or your own game inside the game, it could become really weird

And so yeah maybe it's inappropriate to continue to talk about that there sorry 😅

[fluid delta]

I mean... that's not really how it all works? The speed of signals propagating through copper or silicon is the same as it's always been, and while optical tranceivers and the like are comparatively newer, even fiber optics (which used it), is not new and isn't something inside a CPU anyway, it's basically part of networking.

The rest.. that's not how it works? I think you might be mixing multiple topics together here, or seems like it anyway. Not sure how to disentangle that for you.

[gloomy jacinth]

I know more basic electronics, or hardware things, than coding or software, so it's maybe why.
I need to refresh my knowledge, and it's not like rebooting a sim to get more knowledge..

😔

[fluid delta]

It's ok! Computing is a big field, it's complicated!.. and the two fields separated about... well...60 years ago? Something like that.

[weak tulip]

@fluid delta how do you do that.. being still interested in this game and active for years and years?

[fluid delta]

Fortunately, there's lots of info online, you can easily educate yourself about computing

[fluid delta]

Well.. some of it is competitiveness, but also, I don't spend a lot of time with it, either. If that makes sense? It's somewhat entertaining, and there's this discord, too.

[weak tulip]

competitiveness in CoS is like ... idk. the most lazy approach to competitiveness there can be

i guess, it makes, sense, the longer you stay around, the more epic you are in terms of progression

[fluid delta]

oh I know. Like I said, I don't spend a lot of time with Cells.

But yes, staying a level ahead of others offers a certain satisfaction 🙂

[gloomy jacinth]

goes back to look if I still have my first code lines in BASIC, printed on something like a shop receipt printer....

[fluid delta]

Heh. Spectrum ZX?

[fluid delta]

Ah, yes, one of those.

[gloomy jacinth]

Lol 😅

[fluid delta]

Very old tech. Things have advanced a ton since then, ofc

[gloomy jacinth]

It's actually printed on a shop paper note lol 😅
I can see groceries on one

In old money currency of course

[fluid delta]

mmhmm!

[gloomy jacinth]

Yeah my new pc doesn't have an integrated printer or integrated tape reader, but I like it

[dire tapir]

I would assume most computers these days don’t.

[fluid delta]

Heh. They do not. What config is your new PC, Folken?

[fluid delta]

Ah, so you went for an older gen, low power laptop. nodnod

[gloomy jacinth]

i went for that, which is more hardware durability repairing and possibilities of evolution (even with this one i also went more for portable tablet/stylus/tactile options)

[clear bloom]

In basic mode, is it worth choosing the upgrades suggested by the game (blue crystals) first? I'm talking about the upgrade tree between restarts. Is there a guide on the order in which to acquire upgrades?

[fluid delta]

In practice, it won't offer that. I am familiar with what Framework offers, but they are expensive for what they are, and the capability isn't all that great. It serves a niche, and as long as you are happy with it, that's what matters! I wouldn't want to try gaming anything halfway recent on it though.

[fluid delta]

Idk what you mean by "basic mode", but you can't really go wrong if you buy whatever the cheapest nodes are. If you want an order to buy nodes in, cheapest to most expensive is not a bad one.

[gloomy jacinth]

now having screws and connectors is more expensive than glue and solder, also trying to have metal armature/chassis is more expensive than plastic, and as fairphone they still need to prove us they are right, time only will tell us, again I am tired of old laptops or phones i tried to repair and upgrade or at least make them work again, but it's a pain to repair, and then they just become almost uselesss

but yeah it's expensive ..

i won't do that again soon

[fluid delta]

Even compared to other laptops made from better materials, it's still pretty expensive compared to the competition.. in part bc it's using older/slower/less performant tech. As to repair, laptops and phones aren't really designed for that... but desktops are, provide much better value (if you buy a certain level of quality), and are great for gaming or other intensive use cases.

[polar viper]

The new fairphone 10/10. Could argue a bit too expensive, but only if u ignore the entire existance of samsung and apple

[gloomy jacinth]

for gaming, i can't expect too much, I don't have windows and even if it's better now, some online games with anticheat will stay hard to run, so I willl only run games easy to install and launch, and probably old or indies games

[fluid delta]

Your laptop isn't capable of much gaming anyway, no matter what OS you use. That CPU (and no discrete GPU) is very anemic.

[gloomy jacinth]

i get that for the price i could get a really nice config for a desktop or even a laptop you can build by yourself

[fluid delta]

.. well, you could, up to a few months ago. We have entered a "parts apocalypse" bc of the AI bubble

(specifically, anything with RAM in it, though Storage is also affected)

until the bubble pops (and it will), it's going to be bad.. 2026 is a terrible time to build.

[gloomy jacinth]

it can run games on cloud or from my console, it's already nice to play cosy in bed or not at home, but yeah even in graphics i dont have the best

i mean even for video media

yes ai and costs now, also raw materials sourcing problems for cooling and power supplies ..

[dire tapir]

Just go to downloadfreeram.com to download free ram

[fluid delta]

"Games on cloud" have their own tradeoffs/issues, you aren't really running games then, you're accessing a remote server as a terminal and running them there. Your console (idk which one) is going to be pretty weak compared to a modern gaming PC, even the current gen PS5 and Xbox Series S/X.

[gloomy jacinth]

i had video/audio lessons back then when rgb on cathodic was considered nice quality and hd was just at its beginning so now i just try to enjoy 4K hdr vrr graphics, no matter fps because i mostly play solo and i find it not noticable i prefer to stare at fix panorama images

but i know its not the best to play

[fluid delta]

Depends on the kinds of games you enjoy. I think you might be very impressed by a modern gaming setup, but you probably will have to wait for 2027 for that.. and to save up for it, ofc

[gloomy jacinth]

i learned that 25 30 images per seconds are ok so 60 frames or 120 .. i get it could be nice when each ms count but not as I play

yeah now it's cooked

and when it will stabilize it will be expensive

[fluid delta]

25 or 30fps is terrible. 60 is... the floor for gaming, it's ok, but not great. 120 or better is a much better experience. That's just fps, there's also resolution and some other stuff.

(screens that can do 120 or better are cheap, though)

[gloomy jacinth]

my tv is 100hz max with vrr but i dont know how vrr works

not sure it will help to go to the maximum my screen is capable

[fluid delta]

your laptop isn't capable anyway, not for any game where fps actually matters

[gloomy jacinth]

my console could do 120 but yeah my pc i still didnt try to output on tv with hdmi

but i think it wont be very great

but i could watch youtube with no ads

for a big screen does 4k matters more if you mean resolutio,

3840x2160

[fluid delta]

You can watch youtube without ads anyway, that's just using a browser with an adblocker extension.. or download it to watch it locally using yt-dlp. Yes, 4K = 3840x2160.

[gloomy jacinth]

also hdr on game capture seems to change a lot in contrast and luminosity

[fluid delta]

hdr is it's own thing, and getting into minutae.

[gloomy jacinth]

on tyzen samsung tv i would need to have remote personal dns servers or something like that, or a soft manually edited to works with account

or having a way to install apk

[fluid delta]

It's much better to have the tv NOT connected to the internet.. you do know that TVs for years do very frequently screenshot and upload to corporate servers and the like, right? Blocking best done on your laptop/pc. And I do.

If you have a really old TV it might not, though.

[gloomy jacinth]

i just try to not connect or accept anything related to the os, but i am already connnecting my devices to those google accounts and more so ... it's just another one

i am running fedora but i use microsoft tech everyday ... how controversial it is ?

i mean my tv is connected to my wifi only to watch youtube and not having my console always on

[fluid delta]

If your TV has access to the internet, it is uploading screens. If you are ok with that, then fine, but be aware it is happening. You don't need to have the TV having internet at all, no WiFi no nothing, just the HDMI cable (and maybe audio to a sound bar).. run software off a laptop or PC or AppleTV (miniPC). It works well.

[gloomy jacinth]

but i could just watch local files from my network and i already considered to dl yt video them stream it to my tv but not sure i can do it if it's already connected to my internet box and so on internet, would need to have ethernet to my tv trought my pc or another special hardware, but i also need to do a nice nas and other files save solutions so ... you're not wrong

I am aware that each website i visit and each app I install and use will know many things about me and then could use it against me or to make me buy things from them, and more ....

[fluid delta]

You don't need ethernet to your tv for any of it. Just treat it like a screen. For local files on the network, this works great and is very simple: github.com/9001/copyparty

[gloomy jacinth]

just predicting many things i will search on internet

[fluid delta]

nextDNS works great as a DNS filter, very customizable. Also ofc use a blocker in your web browser, ublock origin is great for that, I also use NoScript in Firefox.

[gloomy jacinth]

do you know about "franceconnect" or however it's called now ? and I am sure in other countries you got similar things, or my country is just bad (as recent news states yes we probably are bad...)

[fluid delta]

no, idk franceconnect

[burnt gust]

I'm uninstalling this game because of the fucking ads being broken

I'm out

[fluid delta]

that's not Cells, it's the ad server it links into, which hasn't been problematic for me. Either way, there are options.

[gloomy jacinth]

i mean to have some right and to make legal things we need to connect on web services and software, and recently we got a ton of data breach, but to continue to live legally and be able to buy and sell stuff we need to continue sending our datas to them and then they just leak it (no intensional of course)

i did have ads problem with cells when each time you watch the ad but at the end you cant go back to game

so you dont benefit from this ad and need to restart

[fluid delta]

There can be a little delay with the ads afterwards, but it's short, and you can easily force quit and retain benefit OR just pay for infinity pass. Either one works.

[gloomy jacinth]

i dont know for iphone but on android there is mainly 2 types of ads i get, the system on cell u

use more long ads with just a close button at end, and each one is different, but other games have shorter ads at the end you need to go to appstore first then go back to the game and it's each time the same layout or coding for the ads options, this one is working better each time it work when intended

with cells its not that, too much random ads with bad behaviour

sorry.

i tried to click on the screen everywhere to see if i just couldn't see the close button but nothing works except just going to the appstore and just back again same problem

so i dont watch ads.

[fluid delta]

Close button almost always appears at top right and is clear. Ads are usually short for me, sometimes as short as 10 seconds. Ones that are too long I force close Cells and reloads, which takes maybe 10 seconds itself. Not an issue for me 🙂

(and you avoid the ad then, or get a different one if you retap for another 4hr ad boost or whatever)

[gloomy jacinth]

i think I have a problem with apps management maybe I have too much and too much things are running in background because cells take too much memory it closes by itself too often, and it is not loading really fast, but I also do that strategy to just close restart a game on mobile sometimes when ads are boring or just when i didnt want to watch an ad....

and didnt know it will be one

at least cells is ok with that, its clearly announced when you will have an ad

[fluid delta]

Cells runs great for me on iPad, but it's an M1 iPad Pro with 16GB of RAM, so.. it should!!

[ebon quiver]

Hi does diamond geode keep getting better after meso 50?

[fluid delta]

idk how you mean that. After Meso 50 you do Prestige levels, which starts over again at 1, but you keep your silver and gold cards.

[magic lichen]

so whats the point to do it again?

and is it harder?

[woven arch]

it's easier

[fluid delta]

it's easier, the benefit before was increased multiplier on certain nodes in Reality Engine. That's not how it is at the moment, but someone in the beta mentioned that that's coming back maybe.

[magic lichen]

almost done and damn I got from 9 to 62 real quick

[ebon quiver]

I remember diamond geodes get better as your meso level goes up, just not sure if that continues after lv 50

[fluid delta]

There is no "after 50", levels are only 1-50 even with Prestige

[ebon quiver]

Ohhh

[gloomy jacinth]

mmm we were talking about prices but wasn't that ipad expensive ? 😅

[fluid delta]

Yes, but there's times where quality matters, and this was one of them. It still works great, even many years later! I know what to buy to have optimal price-performance