tank-balance-discussion

[timber flume]

The pudel need a speed buff

[nimble zodiac]

Me when 43.7 ton tank

[timber flume]

Isnt the E50 heavier that thing is SPEED

[nimble zodiac]

Pudel actually has better p/w than E50 (same engine power but 62.1t LOL), it just doesn't go 60 top, 50 instead

E 50 M has it better though. I guess just more advanced tech so makes sense. It's not like a M2 Light could go so fast just because it was light, ignoring the fact the engine isn't as recent (even if arbitrary)

[timber flume]

I haven't played the pudel in a while now actually

I brought it up because I haven't seen that get touched not once as far I could remember along with the lycan

And the qetzel

@nimble zodiac will the U-panzer ever gonna make a return?

[nimble zodiac]

No idea

[timber flume]

Would be great for the return of old tanks

[solemn olive]

I am having trouble hitting anything in the elefant. Is the gun supposed to be that bad? Stats wise it doesn't seem to be.
Dispersion at 100m
Dispersion still
0.308
7 / 37
Moving
+0.167
9 / 37
Hull traversing
+0.158
8 / 37
Turret traversing
+0.069

This is a 105 that hits for 350 3343 DPM, but I am missing fully aimed and it is fustrating af. I can't snap either, but I have to angle so my armor stays effective.
This is my set up.
I do not have the ferdi yet to compare.

[nimble zodiac]

I suggest not bothering angling. It somewhat doesn't matter. Just make sure you utilize your DPM to the fullest

[scarlet yarrow]

give the T26E4 Super Pershing a tier 8 engine it's mobility is garbage

[primal mauve]

T26E4 Super Pershing defo needs a lot of overhaul in stats, it’s very outdated

[clear flax]

So there is no way to angle to bounce shells?

[marble willow]

Its refreshing to see that

[timber flume]

@nimble zodiac the T26E4 and the RAM II needs a buff

[solemn olive]

This isn't a paper TD. My whole point is the gun shouldn't be so derpy with the alpha damage and platform it has. It is based on a slow heavy, doesn't have a turret, has near HT gun handling but worse aim time than the King Tiger with the 105 same gun. But it's role is a tank destroyer. It should have better gun handling. I guess that aim time makes sense as to why I would be missing a lot.

[rocky sentinel]

The Elefant is just a worse Jagtiger 8.8 also. The only advantage is on paper is the 120 MM of side armor above the tracks.

[nimble zodiac]

Only for certain penetration values, but it's a thin range and it's better to just sit still and aim instead. I'd only angle the armor when pulling out or back in behind a corner

[nimble zodiac]

Idk about T26E4 since it's quite gimmicky but Ram II is totally fine. Very high DPM and RoF

[nimble zodiac]

It's probably just a mid gun so it wouldn't pose a balance issue (performing too well)

[craggy grove]

Its certificate's parts are available in operation containers in battlepass every now and again.

[proud basin]

The carro 45t needs s second legendary camo

[marble willow]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-smile-nod-nodding-ron-swanson-parks-and-rec-gif-39125060506973541

Thoughts on the 30b?

[merry pelican]

buff ammo capacity for t57 heavy

[obsidian socket]

Good day. Petition to increase the ammorack durability on the Biter as it gets blown by 400alpha guns frontally even with Protective Kit. Thanks

[queen geyser]

True that

[terse cairn]

There are still some tier 10s which doesn't even have a legendary camo like atlas, 116. I guess give them first

[fringe verge]

Rhm pzw

[terse cairn]

It is getting a legendary camo

[solemn olive]

So basically in order to balance high DPM in lower tiers they nerf aimtime? Could we get a way to switch this like an equiptment? Like I bought the elephant and no way it should miss as much as it does. Same with Jagdtiger 88 105. Tons of dpm but you are missing 1 out of 4 dpm dont matter. You don't really have armor so there is no way to trade. You shoot, you are spotted, you die. Which really only means you can make smart peeks and with bad aiming time like that you won't make your peek shots. Not like 350 alpha is a strong peek anyway.

[scarlet yarrow]

remove supremacy from Mad Games, it literally serves 0 purpose

there is literally no need for it

[dapper zenith]

dont know about the elefant but in jg 8.8 i run gun laying and vstab only because i found that i was moving too much before a shot and those will negate the movement penalty, might not be your thing but misewell try. on the other hand the elfant does have a horrible armour profile compared to jag 8.8

[left hare]

Good evening guys. Anyone has tried new tank on event? Worth play for it?

Or, how long does it take him? approximately. I mean, to what amount gold can we drop ?

[heady laurel]

good day! Did the waffle F1 recently get Nerf from a five shot autoloader to a three shot?

[left hare]

No, If Im not mistaking

[prisma jetty]

It has 2 guns

[dapper zenith]

2 guns 3 and 5 shells

[solemn olive]

That is what I was running except for vstab I had refined gun. I am not sure how that vstab would be better considering every shot I take still and moving would benefit from refined. I would like to see the math on which is actually better. On PC I would take what refined does before vstab, though there is a cut off point. Larger guns tend to benefit from vstab more but it is all wacky on this game. The alphas are much larger in general, like a 105 would be around 390 then, though I think it was given more as of 1.0.

[heady laurel]

thank you.

[vapid horizon]

IS-6 is pretty decent at the moment, but it would be nice if it had better gun handling than it currently has due to its very low penetration.

[nimble zodiac]

People just switch guns if they wanted higher pen

[vapid horizon]

That's true, but it would be nice if the stock gun had better gun handling than it currently does.

[waxen geode]

I have a better time using the Herdbreaker than the M60. Make that make sense. Im such a noob.

[marble willow]

Not surprising if you think about it

[brazen steeple]

buff the JAG and make it great again, stop buffing autloaders WG. Each update is just a nerf to the jag, it doesn't make sense

[scarlet yarrow]

buff the side armor of the Fv215b

[marble willow]

Buff your briancells

[uneven turtle]

brian!!! Morgansf is talking about your cells again!!!

[regal rampart]

since all Swedish HTs get autoloader/autoreloader,gun, change Strv K gun to autoreloader gun too

[marble willow]

Brian

[regal rampart]

stock gun still usable but only pros know how to use it well

[marble willow]

The last thing we need is an autoloading heavium. The strv is perfect as is

[regal rampart]

but i think WG has categorize Swedish HT to be autoreloader at the end of tier, look at Tornvagn, single shot then suddenly turn into autoreloader gun..
Also, look at Concept 1B, suddenly gives 2 shell autoloader gun, like M-VI-Yoh tech line

[thorny timber]

Strv k probably needs a buff, but not via an autoloader

[marble willow]

The two tanks you brought up extremely strong vehicles in the current meta. If youre proposing a fast doubleshot mechanic like the m6 yoh line applied to a heavy as mobile as the strv, it will turn into another toxic autoloading demon. We dont need more tanks like that

[marble willow]

Id just buff the apcr pen by a bit. Honestly the strv doesnt really need that much of a buff

[thorny timber]

Taking gsor as a benchmark, the 315 apcr is indeed diabolical

[regal rampart]

but we still didn't have a low alpha autoreloading Heavium.. i think Strv K is suitable to be that kind of tank

[marble willow]

Yeah when running cali i used to complain about the 331 apcr pen. But the strv can get away with that since its so mobile

[thorny timber]

Apcr is just kind of buns to have rn icl but ig the strv can technically get away with that since it'll encounter mediums more often

But a small bump won't hurt much, would it?

[marble willow]

Mayhaps. I still dont like the concept of giving it an autoloader at all. I dont want to see it spammed every match

[regal rampart]

WG can just make the inter-clip to 3.3 seconds, plus that tank are meant to be a supportive tank anyway

[marble willow]

A small bump would definitely not hurt. Id be happy to receive it.
Every time i get frustrated with apcr prem i just think of the maus players that have to deal with 327mm of apcr on a superheavy

[marble willow]

For sure if they really balance the crap out of it

[regal rampart]

was hoping WG can rebalance it well

plus, Strv K used to be a very good low alpha high dpm Heavium, however WG nerf it till GSOR the tank took that position out of Strv K..

[marble willow]

An unfortunate thing really. Its so funny in testing, the gsor had 12 deg of gun dep, amazing pen, good mobility and around 3600 dpm. On a heavy!

And it still has most of those

[regal rampart]

GSOR the tank is categorized as MT in WOT PC, don't know why WG set this tank as HT in here

[marble willow]

Its just Wargaming

[regal rampart]

Make Strv 81 becomes an autoloader tank, We already have Centurion 1 and Mk. 5/1 as the hulldown low alpha MT, change Strv 81 gun to autoloader gun will differentiate from other centurion, but not make it like a Defender Mk.1, give it a 2 shells autoloader with 2.5 interclip, reload time about 9 second, every other stats still intact, even the standard shells is still APCR and the alpha is the same.

The reason i suggested this is that you WG already categorized that Swedish tank as autoloader(on tier 8) and autoreloader(tier 9 & 10) gun tanks.
I can determine those tanks is following their similarity to each other based on Nation, based certain rebalance like Concept 1B getting autoloader by grouping with M-VI-Yoh tech line and Tornvagn getting autoreloader gun by grouping with tier end Swedish HTs

Also about the Centurion Mk.5/1, gives it some unqiue consumables such as Tungsten shell and Improved Engine Power Boost, this tank performance are similar to Centurion 1 but you WG shouldn't have 2 tanks that have similar performance in the same tier.

[vapid horizon]

Strv K is mostly fine, more dpm would be nice though

[marble willow]

Nope

[hushed token]

STRV K just need its gun handling buff . Its gun handling is decent but compare to other 105mm and 350 alpha guns , StrvK's gun handling is poor

[terse cairn]

When did they say that all Swedish tanks should be autoloader/ autoreloader?

[regal rampart]

They didn't say, but it can be recognized based on Sets in Reforge

[terse cairn]

Weren't strv k and strv 81 in FV 4202 set ? They both are based on centurion

[regal rampart]

They say that set was not finalized yet..
Also, why making Strv 81 another centurion copy? We already got Centurion Mk 5/1 and Centurion I...

That's the reason why I suggested the Strv 81 should be more different than other centurion. If not, Strv 81 is a just another centurion copy

Am I wrong about that?

Strv 81 needs to be more unique than other centurion, and not just having APCR as standard shells

[remote pawn]

Waiter! More modified centurions, please!

[vivid magnet]

Buff WZ111 5A

[rustic garnet]

WG pls rebuff the WZ-111 5A he need this

[vivid magnet]

Logic....

he just need buff armor 117mm -> 125mm
Alpha 440 -> 460

[regal rampart]

It's hull armor reduce due to more gun depression
For 460 alpha is reduced cuz BZ-75 is having a gun (the stock gun) that almost similar to 5A
Just my assumptions though

[vivid magnet]

Bz 75 have 8 dep... More armor ... More alpha...

Look stat 💀

[regal rampart]

But 5A have more dpm and more mobility

[vivid magnet]

But e6 have more dpm and more mobility and more armor and more dep....

[regal rampart]

i am comparing between BZ-75 and 5A, why suddenly E6??

[vivid magnet]

@regal rampart blind ?

Yep bz 75 are butter man 💀

[regal rampart]

@vivid magnetdid you even read this sentence?? try check the mobility stats and dpm between those 2 tanks again, properly..

[vivid magnet]

But they dont have thé some gameplay 💀

[vivid magnet]

Are you blind ?

[regal rampart]

omg, i say DPM and the mobility, check again..i am not the one who blind here

[vivid magnet]

Man ? 💀

[regal rampart]

walao eh, look at 5A dpm, how many?? after that, look at BZ75 DPM, try compare those 2 DPM, which number is higher??
also mobility, read the Power to Weight Ratio..

[vivid magnet]

100 damages... Wow !!! Absolutly useless... 5A 9.60 reload bz 75 10.42 reload... For 100 dmp ?...

[regal rampart]

i did say DPM not ALPHA, can't you read?? DPM!! NOT ALPHA

[vivid magnet]

Dmp 5a 2750
Dpm bz75 2650

2750-2650 = 100...

[regal rampart]

tiao, do you even know what is DPM means??

[vivid magnet]

Bz win yep...

[regal rampart]

[terse beacon]

Bz is garbage

[regal rampart]

He says more dpm is worst

[terse beacon]

5a isn't very good either but it has a higher skill ceiling than bz does, so better players will be able to have a higher impact w it over bz

[vivid magnet]

what is your serv ?

[meager sky]

Nerf the grom

[vivid magnet]

Bruh

[vivid magnet]

@regal rampart you say nothing ?

[terse cairn]

5A has way better turret armor

[vivid magnet]

unique argument ?...

[obtuse rover]

I think the leopard1 would be better off with its old 9 degrees of gun depression back and no adaptive concealment

[marble willow]

+2 deg in exchange for the removal of adaptive isnt a fair trade imo

[wicked quest]

It’s painful to drive without its original gun depression that missing 1 degree makes a big difference in the largest medium

[signal jewel]

Less gdp just gave the Leo a higher skill floor. You have to be better to use it well.

I have no opinions on whether it's better or worse now, but just in general, meds and lights with less gdp are harder to play. You have to be much more selective and knowledgeable with your positions. You have to find ways to augment and work around your gun.

[marble willow]

Fair fair

[wicked quest]

Leo has one of the highest skill ceilings in general this is a moot thing to say, out of how the leopard played over time it’s best incarnation was when it had 9 gun dep and 5.5 reload

[marble willow]

When it had 9deg of gun dep did it also have 3600dpm with cali and ap standard?

[wicked quest]

It was 4k (really 3.9k) with rammer and this was also with slightly better handling it was awesome during this time,

The 140 was also relevant again with a 4,7 reload

[marble willow]

Wow how far it has fallen

[obtuse rover]

This was when the 140 had 300 alpha right

[barren goblet]

Adaptive concealment isnt that good to compensate for APCR and 7 degrees.

[obtuse rover]

9 deg felt much better, also removing the adaptive gives the lights with adaptive more use

[grave plinth]

Which tank is the highest dpm HT guys

[thorny timber]

Gsor the tank

[solemn olive]

This worked, that was my problem. It is missing about 1/10 now maybe. Since the game doesn't have a good way to see where you hit or what even hit you, I can never really tell with some shots. But I am enjoying it a lot more now so thanks.

[solemn olive]

You can filter on blitzkit by dpm, here is all classes, I SS this yesterday

Here is HT DPM compared

[rugged sierra]

Guys which one should i get? Im more into type 58 but idk

[regal rampart]

project Louis terrian resistance needs to buff

[dapper zenith]

right on. np

[warped sable]

im sorry but why does the borsig's 128 feel like a wot pc gun, why does a 128 mm feel as innacurate as the 150mm

[dense stirrup]

HII GUYS

[rocky sentinel]

Worse accuracy, worse turret armor, worse standard pen, worse mobility, no gold rounds, shall I keep going?

[rocky sentinel]

Vstabs is a flat worse refined gun, don’t believe me? Try it out.

[dapper zenith]

depends on how much the4 player likes to move or traverse while shooting, refined gun is wasted if you traverse even the slightest, up to the player really i get the argument but on alot of my turretless tds i dun vstab because the inacuracy was frustrating

[remote oriole]

Refined gun also reduces the ‚movement penalty‘ because the dispersion factors upon movement are multiplied with the base dispersion

[rocky sentinel]

Uhhh no, refined is a flat 15% better dispersion in every metric. Droodles Blitz made a whole video debunking how in every single way: On move, base dispersion, turret traverse, hull rotation, the aiming circle is smaller. And the “extra aiming time” doesn’t matter either because of the aiming circle being a 15% smaller at all times basically voids the “12% faster aiming time”

[remote oriole]

Aiming time in the game denotes how long an ‚average sized‘ aiming circle takes to shrink to a third of its size (at a standstill). The fact that reduced dispersion factors lead to a reduced aiming time implies that the dispersion factors are both used to calculate the ‚target dispersion‘ (given a certain movement and base dispersion) and also the dispersion reduction rate (i.e. how fast your aiming circle shrinks)

Either way, V-stabs also reduce the size of your aiming circle whenever you move

[rocky sentinel]

Yeah but it’s still 3% worse on move.

[remote oriole]

I don‘t know the exact formula but it should actually be less than the 12% reduction in size because there should also be a term for the minimum size of the dispersion (where the dispersion factors wouldn‘t play a role)

[rocky sentinel]

Yes, but refined is a 15% reduction in size. Therefore Vstabs is 3% worse.

[remote oriole]

Is a 3% smaller aim circle better than shrinking the aim circle 12% faster?

[dapper zenith]

i dont really care who chooses what, i find that when im tracking a target and its forcing my turretless td to traverse, i keep getting a movement penalty and when i mount gun laying + vstab it seems to track better and hit more often, players can choose whatever, i just find it hits more often when mounted

[waxen geode]

What gun do you guys use on the Erac Proto? The 90 or the 105? 105 is soooooo slow though.

[slate talon]

105 this tank is hit and run anyways just hide while ur reloading

[waxen geode]

Thank you.

[vague fiber]

top gun is OP

[merry pelican]

buff ammo capacity for t57 heavy +10

[waxen geode]

My friend im so sorry. I asked you which tier 8 tanks are the worst before. It seems like I lost the list. Could you please name them again. I have my pad ready to write it down. Thank you.

[solemn olive]

What equiptment you using?

[solemn olive]

To say this is to say you believe what is on the info cards they give us. We know some guns are way worse than they should be and the 350 alpha ones are that kind. I saw his video and know his stance, and that is why i wasn't running it, and also his many L7 videos in which it drives him crazy so. I am just saying this works better somehow

[marble willow]

Borsig things. Ever since they nerfed the 15cm it became ok. But running reticle cali is important it you arent

[warped sable]

all the usual, gun laying, refined, and cali shells

had to use double food to compensate for the accuracy

[vague fiber]

I dont remember...
ig quetzal, tech tree kv4 is pain imo

Wargaming cacn we bring back rammer on panther 2

[solemn olive]

What is up with this economy? Is it because it is a mobile game? Lucky to break even to about 20k with premium.

[marble willow]

Been wondering the same, only way to grind fast is pair prem acc with purple credit boosters and a high cred coeff tank

[solemn olive]

It seems by design because they throw mission rewards credits at you but yeah this is wildly bad. I thought pc was pretty bad.

[marble willow]

Yeah and its not that sustainable. I tried grinding creds without anything to help. It was a genuine nightmare

[solemn olive]

I am used to grinding credits in PC to get ahead with premium tier 8s. I do that here and I get about 50k net for really good games. I would be getting 100-150k for on PC. Would rather be grinding lines though ya know? Can't always get mastery badges to sustain grinds. I heard it is that which really helps the credits.

[jaunty ridge]

Stop playing randoms. Opt for fun modes instead

[marble willow]

Oh yeah those are great too

[solemn olive]

I am not really finding they have more credits. Just xp

[clear shuttle]

you're doing something wrong then

[solemn olive]

Top of the team still minus, just to test

[clear shuttle]

rage bait or high iq

[solemn olive]

My point is that fun mode credit earning isn't any better than regular pubs.

This is the vk game from earlier.

[ivory quiver]

Because the earnings change depending on the mode

When big boss or uprising roll around, check them out

Easily net around 150k on avg with prem time in a t8 prem + credit boosters per match

[solemn olive]

That is a multiple spawn game, that is why it appears to be more. Boss is 2 or 3? Might as well do regular matches in that time is what I have found. With a credit booster, premium tank, and premium time. If you are lucky. This economy is garbage. Rewards are a gamble too, check this out. 10k oh how generous for 14 wins or so. I can earn up to 50k there, like amazing. I was saving for a tier 7 premium which is 5k but bought a deal for 3500 to get 2 million. After all you have to play premiums to make the silver.

[unique scaffold]

The isu has 640 alpha and low rolls so much is annoying asf

[marble willow]

You have busted dpm and a gun that doesnt care about armor youll be okay

[ivory quiver]

Regular matches will still earn less because you won’t perform better in them with one life

The average playtime is longer in those multiple life modes but the overall match time is the same time as a regular match

[remote oriole]

To be fair that question was a bit loaded and intentionally ignorant of the somewhat complex relation between base dispersion, dispersion factors and aim time (or dispersion drop-off speed, if you want). Like I already said, the improvement by V-Stabs tends to be less than 12% smaller aim circle (by how much primarily depends on the agility and dispersion factors of the vehicle).

Also there are different crew skills which also take some influence. The difference between ‚feels accurate for the alpha‘ and ‚feels inaccurate for the alpha‘ can sometimes be as little as single digit percent changes in some accuracy factor. So honestly, I‘d say whatever feels right is valid

[solemn olive]

It still don't feel right. I miss fully aimed shots all the time. All the pressure to win, to hit your shots, to carry, and I just cannot hit my effen shots. You would think this 105 is a 150. Much like the elefants cannon way too big. Like someone got something wrong.

Near perfect game. -20k

[vivid magnet]

Nerf AC Atlas

[vivid magnet]

Have beter idea delet Ac tech tree its absolutly useless and broken

[uneven turtle]

[terse beacon]

None of the line is broken

[vivid magnet]

you have play it ?

[terse beacon]

Yes? They have good armour and that's it. Not even close to broken

[vivid magnet]

bruh

mobility, armor, and alpha are way too high, as well as penetration

[terse beacon]

Brother said mobility and alpha LOL

[vivid magnet]

imagine the tank is more mobile and has a better alpha than an IS-7

[terse beacon]

The entire line is slow, they also have 0 dpm. The alpha isn't even very high and certainly does not make up for how slow their reload is

[vivid magnet]

💀

no dpm ok ok man

[terse beacon]

No one uses that gun because it's garbage haha trying to move the goalposts to fit your argument gg bro

[terse beacon]

Atlas isn't even close to top 10 heavies in its tier and you talking about it being broken.. crazy stuff brother

[vivid magnet]

Bro ? not in the top 10 ???

top damage not in the top 10 ?

[terse beacon]

Using average wr across the playerbase to determine how strong tanks are tells me all I need to know about how clueless you are tbh

[vivid magnet]

Explain me that ?

[terse beacon]

What is there to explain? There are easily more than 10 heavies better than it currently

[vivid magnet]

where is your top 10 base ?

[thorny timber]

wr doesn't determine how good a tank actually is in practice, kran is at the bottom 10 for the t10 heavies but is still frequently used in tourneys

[terse beacon]

I mean I can name 10 right now lol. Frankly I could name quite a bit more than 10 but here we go! 😃

215b,concept,e6,kran,rino,chieftain,50b,gsor,felice,e5 👍

[vivid magnet]

The Atlas is a tank that has just been released and it is already in the top 10 of the heavies, but the Atlas is versatile for any situation unlike the Kranv

[terse beacon]

Brother seriously is trying to say atlas is better than kran LOL

[vivid magnet]

Yep...

[terse beacon]

Holy clueless bro

[vivid magnet]

tell me your ig.

[terse beacon]

😂😂😂😂 wouldn't be fair on you sorry brother

[vivid magnet]

EU player ?

[vivid magnet]

Are you scary ? "Brother"

[terse beacon]

Scared of someone saying atlas is broken and is better than tanks like kran? Yeah man terrified 👍

[vivid magnet]

Tell me your ig ^^

[terse beacon]

Nah man I already told you I'm too scared sorry

[vivid magnet]

Good boy ^^

[terse beacon]

💀💀 for a clueless bot you kind of yap too much I'm ngl

[muted rampart]

Chill guys

[vivid magnet]

But if you want we can 1v1 my litlle Mark ^^

[thorny timber]

how does a 1v1 prove anything about what you just said

[vivid magnet]

You compare in Tourney, and you say Kranv are better no ?

[muted rampart]

Can y'all stop acting like angry 10yos and keep the discussion civil?

[thorny timber]

tourneys are 7v7 games

stay on the point or just don't even bother like holy, just because someone denied what you said doesn't mean you have to go out and ask their ig

[cinder shard]

I'd agree with this

If you want to discuss this stuff, keep it constructive and leave personal stuff out of it.

[uneven turtle]

Well Kran is actually more versatile than the atlas in every way

The Kran offers much more reliable turret armor than the atlas, therefore offering Kran itself better effective dpm,

But just off raw dpm, Kran already succeeds that of the atlas far more as only using kran’s first shell gives 2.6k dpm(not counting the rest of the clip), and even if you use atlas’s auto loading gun which is pretty much less feasible than the single shot save for the dpm, the auto loading gun just barely reaches 2.7k dpm

Oh yeah and Kran can reach upwards of 2.6k+ hp due to the assistance of sandbags when stacked on top of Improved assembly, whereas Atlas only reached 2496 hit points WITH improved assembly(it has no sandbags)

And Kran’s mobility isn’t devastatingly far off from Atlas’s mobility that the gap can’t be negated by kran’s super speed boost consumable(which atlas doesn’t have), also Kran has better traverse speed on all terrain compared to the Atlas, making it less susceptible to being circle of deathed

Kran’s mobility vs Atlas with super speed boost on Kran enabled

It’s stupid how stupid the Kran is isn’t it

Just for the record

Kran(no enhanced armor) vs WZ113(with cali)

Atlas(with enhanced armor) vs WZ113(with cali)

Oh yeah and Kran is the smallest heavy in T10 volume wise, making it easier to hide weakspots in the user’s chosen position

And unfortunately for atlas users, the way their turret is designed makes it a weak spot anytime it is exposed to any tank with slightly above average prammo pen

[vivid magnet]

Can you look with other heavies tanks ^^

WZ 113 have 390mm with the gold but not other tanks.... if you take just the exemple, sorry but isn't objective....

[thorny timber]

guess what, e5 can still pass through and atlas still has visible weakspots

[vivid magnet]

Same for Kranv weakpsot -_-

[thorny timber]

lollll good luck hitting that

[vivid magnet]

Really ?... Luck ?

its very easy but ok man...

[hushed token]

No kran players letting you hit that cupola . They could just look up on the sky and boom , cupola disappear

[vivid magnet]

No Atlas player remains stationary in play

[thorny timber]

doesn't really matter since atlas is bigger than kran even despite having somewhat same mobility it is still too slow to actually make it difficult to hit a flat spot in the middle of the turret rather than a cupola than can just be hidden

not to forget kran has ssb so

[vivid magnet]

really you need SSB on kranv ? Skill issue

[thorny timber]

you're just stupid if you don't use it 🤷‍♂️

[hushed token]

Did bro just roast the entire Tourney community in wotb?

[vivid magnet]

not stupid but more skill for you ^^

[stark wind]

Didn't broken guy told ya stop this meaningless argument

[thorny timber]

he's just coping atp i won't even bother

[cinder shard]

Leave personal insults out of this and stop instigating drama. I will not warn you again.

[vivid magnet]

ok man

[cinder shard]

I saw that -_-

Also

[vivid magnet]

that just a opinion but ok ok

[cinder shard]

Very much this kind of situation
#general-blitz-discussion message

Anyway - back to tank balance

[shy nymph]

I miss the Type 71

Tanks were far more competitive back then than they are today

[rocky sentinel]

The current Type 71 is fantastic, I just wish TD’s had less standard pen.

[shy nymph]

rotating at 33?

[rocky sentinel]

It actually rotates at 38, or 28 if you use the suspension.

[shy nymph]

33

It's ridiculous how much this tank has been nerfed

[rocky sentinel]

I guess blitzkit is wrong then 🤷

[shy nymph]

really

[rocky sentinel]

Yeah it says 40 degrees with your loadout.

[shy nymph]

Another tank destroyed was the WZ 113 and the STB1

[prisma jetty]

blitzkit takes into account terrain factors while the game client doesn't

[rocky sentinel]

So the traverse isn’t bad, so are you saying that’s the only value in which you “Miss it”?

Because everything else about it is fun, it’s still decently fast with imo the best gun I have ever used, and decent armor.

[shy nymph]

I'm saying they made a mistake in nerfing a good tank

[prisma jetty]

Type was incredibly broken

[shy nymph]

2500 dpm

Whether they liked it or not, the battles lasted longer that way

[rocky sentinel]

I average more DPM in it then half my tier tens. Because its premium doesn’t lose damage. Not to mention people have to shoot premium half the time to pen it so in that way it’s DPM is average

[prisma jetty]

It had absurd mobility for the amount of armor it had, making it essentially impenetrable while being able to chase down most tanks in the tier

[rocky sentinel]

Actually it’s more like I average more in it then all but like 5 of my tier tens.

[shy nymph]

competing with the 113 with the highest dpm of the heavy

I preferred those tanks; the competitive aspect was better

[rocky sentinel]

Ya point? You could say that about every heavy. And the 113 has trash standard pen, which forces you to load gold unless you snipe the hatch while it’s wiggling while it’s penning it every shot.

[shy nymph]

Even the 113, using premium bullets, had more DPM than the Type

The game forced you to be better, not just pull out a bullet that doesn't need aiming to penetrate

[rocky sentinel]

True, but then again the Type 71 is troll against HEAT and the Type 71 has like 250 more HP. So unless you are penning every shot the 113 still loses.

[shy nymph]

Like I said, the game forced you to have better skills; nowadays any idiot can play Hori or Type and use full premium ammo

[rocky sentinel]

I do agree with that. When I drive it I only have like 15 premium shells because I shoot standard AP 90% of the time because “why waste credits”

[shy nymph]

Credit these days is practically worthless

It's annoying to face a guy with 40% wr full premium ammo who just shoots you down like water

I think the calibrated version should be nerfed

I just wish tanks would become strong

[rocky sentinel]

I think we all want Cali to be nerfed.

[terse beacon]

Brother is flexing 5 battles 💀💀

[terse beacon]

That's just not true tho, back then there was a bigger disparity between the best tanks and the average ones. Type when it was added made everything else irrelevant until it got nerfed, same thing happened with t100 on release, and 60tp on release etc...

Making brand new tanks crazy overpowered does not really equate to a more competitive tier

[vivid magnet]

5h you have loss ?

[vague fiber]

???
He is punsihed cuz he does less damage

[lime spruce]

balance the tanks with 152mm guns yo (excluding lights cause screw them)

isu comes with highest AP and HE, second lowest prammo. 60TP comes with Second highest AP, highest prammo, lowest HE, while 114 SP2 comes with lowest AP, lowest prammo, second highest HE.

[marble willow]

Dont see anything wrong with that

[obtuse rover]

Definitely not consistent but ig it’s like that for balance and variety

[twin egret]

'yeah let's give the 60TP 960 alpha so when it uses tungsten it can roll ppl as much as a 183 using HESH if it pens'

[solemn olive]

So you will go negative running food and everything in silver for regular tech tree tanks? Unless you get second class or so? It sounds cost balanced ĺike premium ammo? So I shouldn't run food and such?

I been running without food just to see and it doesn't seem all that bad

[shy nymph]

In my opinion, they should have made the other tanks equally strong

But they preferred to just nerf everything

[terse beacon]

So everything becomes broken? Terrible idea. T10 is in a pretty good state right now

[shy nymph]

The meta for T10 is concepth, felice, or kran

I would support them reverting some tanks to older, better versions

Is there any chance the KR-1 will come with RAM mechanics?

[solemn olive]

This is why I am wondering about Silver. I have these unlocked waiting for the silver.
Tier 8
Erac 105
WZ 111-1g ft
RHM-B.orsig WT
IS-3

Tier 7
Chi-To-Sp
T-29
M-VII-Yoh
JPanther
Panther
VK 30.02D
LTTB
IS-2
AMX 13-75
Leo

Tier 6
Bassoto
SDP 44 Burza
40tp Habicha
P.43 Bis
Bugi
ARL 44
59-16
Ju-nu
AT-8
Firefly
Cromwell
KV-2
T-34-85
VK 28.01
Jackson
E8
T37

[lime spruce]

lowk start reviving T10 T9 tanks yeah. I mean, not ALL tanks need to be revived (conway), but most tanks do need a nerf and buff to rebalance the ecosystem, I've been seeing more krans than ever, and struggling against them even more than I used to. The thing is, It's either not often used T10's since it's harder to grind, or some rando prems to get buffed for better stats. Make Premiums fairer like IS6 is fair for on tier tanks.

[vague fiber]

Just play a perm in game modes for a session

[solemn olive]

Yeah and I often do. I am just surprised by how little you make even with premium time for tech tree tanks. It is going to take a long time to get all that silver. I am almost done with the T30 and will sell it to fund the e4 I guess. Oh and that list is based on me selling the tank I used to unlock those already.

[clear shuttle]

you dont have to use anything apart from ammo on a tank, it just helps to have provisions consumables and equipment

[solemn olive]

Is that what they expect? For us to not run the more expensive things? I know there is a cheap repair and free speed boost and fpe and health kit. Is it just set up for us to pay to win or progress? I mean if this is your normal, just wondering.

[clear shuttle]

i wouldnt call it pay to win considering all you need to do is grind credits, its pretty normal to run consumables and provisions at minimum, I usually dont buy equipment slots other than cali/rammer until the tier 10 unless I really like the tank

[primal mauve]

not a single thing was wrong,if he compared the E100 derp gun then it’s still the same besides with HE damages

[solemn olive]

Yeah a ton of my money been going into equipment. Allright then. I don't really mean pay to win more like pay to lose lmao. But like how the rounds default to gold. Just because you can earn it in game don't mean it is still not worth cash. I might add the enrich option but at 13k for a tier 8 that is a big ask.

[marble willow]

Yep

[clear shuttle]

dont enrich any tech trees unless you absolutely love it and play it tons

[spring drift]

Giv somua sm 370 alpha or 380

[burnt venture]

@odd remnant Binu on tier 9 balance changes

https://tenor.com/view/bike-fall-memes-baton-roue-bike-stick-gif-8999945942594219773

[remote pawn]

Rest in peace E 75 TS 😔

[burnt venture]

They got the negative feedback on the torn, didn’t change anything, released it anyway, and now “we know it’s too strong but it will be another six months or something” 💀

Also E75TS is a tragedy but don’t let them tell you that. Apparently 340 alpha on a heavy that gets AP penned in the face is acceptable

[sullen copper]

Couldn't find this message anywhere

[burnt venture]

It’s in a chat for vets only

[sullen copper]

Alright.

[sullen copper]

Yet they do nothing about 752 or K-91's DPM.
Amazing.

[silver plume]

2.5k dpm is too much for u?

[rocky sentinel]

It’s inaccurate to call it balancing when you just throw around numbers. It’s like giving a scale an extra 100 pounds on one side while taking away 50 pounds from the other then calling it “Balancing”.

[burnt venture]

Look at the DPM of single shot heavy tanks at tier 9, then tell me how those two are balanced

Every tier 9 heavy except Conqueror and maybe E75TS has less DPM than K91 and Obj 752, lol

Single shot tanks like M103 that do 400 a hit has hundreds less DPM than a two shot 430 alpha autoloader

[silver plume]

why are u comparing single shot and clipper dpm?

[silver plume]

rly?

[thorny timber]

you are using rammer on m103 and cali on the 752

[hushed token]

This guy really lack common sense

[silver plume]

okay? and?

[thorny timber]

that invalidates your argument, 752 still has superior dpm in general as well as effective dpm

[silver plume]

my argument wasnt that m103 has better dpm buddy boy, i just proved his point wrong.

I feel like you should really not state ur opinion as you are a brand new player to the game

[thorny timber]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-hiromi-higuruma-jujutsu-kaisen-jujutsu-kaisen-meme-jjk-memes-gif-10370496866020481076

[silver plume]

you literally picked the worst t9 heavy and compared it with 752 lol
yet they have almost same dpm

[sullen copper]

Brother, the fact it can clip out someone for 860 in 4s yet having as much DPM as a tank which can not do so, is the problem.
If you do not know how the game works, please, do not make any statement at all.

[hushed token]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-jojo-jjba-jojo's-bizarre-adventure-jojo's-gif-16434281531751342989

[silver plume]

and? the 50b can clip you for 1245 and still have more dpm than the avg heavy in t10
maybe get good at the game instead of blaming a game mechanic for ur 50% winrate

[sullen copper]

• Makes a statement that proves my point.
• Pulls the argument to a point where he is objectively wrong.
• Then proceeds to call me as a 50er which is not true.
  I hope you're ragebaiting brother. If not, please seek professional help.
  Have a nice day.

[cinder shard]

Or maybe stop with the insults and continue this civily.
That goes for everyone involved.

[thorny timber]

Please, can you just mute the next guy who goes out of the tank balance topic

[silver plume]

please mute anyone who disagrees with me, mr moderator 🥺

[silver plume]

idk bro youre complaining about nothing, i know tons of actually good players (those who dont need to sealclub in tier 8 to stay above 60%), and none of them think the 752 is allat.

[rocky sentinel]

Sounds like communism.

I had fun playing in the M103 plenty of times, bullied 2 platooning tier ten comp players twice in a row with it.

[silver plume]

i mean, its common for average players to think tank with clip = op

[rocky sentinel]

In this case the 752 is widely considered OP. But then again people forget that the double shot tier 9 Yoh exist. Now the players driving the OP tanks are a different matter entirely.

[terse beacon]

M5yoh is not that strong it's just toxic more than anything else

[burnt venture]

A tank with a clip shouldn’t have anywhere close to the same DPM as a tank with a single shot gun

That’s the entire point of a single shot gun vs a clip in the first place. Sustained fire vs burst damage with similar alpha should always come out on top for the DPM department.

When clippers have similar or more DPM than single shot tanks, what is the point of single shot tanks

If you think M103 having “almost the same” DPM as a 752 is fine, idk what you’re smoking

This is before considering that 752 has higher alpha and is better in a large variety of areas than an M103

This is also 1000% the reason behind why people complain about clippers. Because how the heck are you supposed to fight clippers that have pretty much the same DPM as you do when you’re a single shot tank lol

This wouldn’t be a problem if clippers all had lower DPM than their single shot counterparts with similar caliber guns. God knows why a Murat or K-91 can just have 3k DPM. Concept losing like 100 DPM to gain a double shot autoloader is absolutely ridiculous

The general rule of thumb for double shot autoloaders should be that the intraclip is longer (4-5 sec) and the DPM is minimum 25% lower than single shot counterparts with similar alpha. The versions we currently have in game don’t follow logic at all. The Murat and Concept are basically 760 alpha tanks with 2.8k DPM that have none of the drawbacks of a 760 alpha tank like a gun handling penalty

[rocky sentinel]

It is very strong, basically a 183 AP shell in 1.71 seconds, good armor, super tiny profile, 10 degrees of gun depression with redical Cali. The only downside is it’s DPM but even then, DPM isn’t everything.

[silver plume]

m103 is the worst t9 heavy, it having same dpm as a tank that u consider "op" is fine. how about u focus on tanks that are actually a problem? like this new t9 atlas heavy

i dont see u crying about conqueror for example, which has WAY more dpm than 752

[uneven turtle]

They have very different skill ceilings

Conq being far higher due to lack of armor

[thorny timber]

Also calling the m103 the worst t9 heavy is kind of a stretch, it's definitely not one of the best but it definitely doesn't come into the bad category

[fiery agate]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9KauByTkOTU

[silver plume]

and since when is the fve defender a heavy?

i like how u deleted ur message @rocky sentinel

[rocky sentinel]

I read the previous comment wrong that why.

[burnt venture]

If you think the Sterope or the Celeno is a problem over the 752 then you really are smoking something

Conqueror is a skill based tank and it’s common knowledge that the DPM is justified as it has no gun depression and really poor armor

Ur actually the first person I’ve spoken to that thinks the 752 is fine, that speaks a lot about why nobody thinks you’re credible at all

Well, that entire interaction reminds me of why I do not talk with randoms on this server lol. Every day a different thing happens that I previously thought impossible

[terse cairn]

That guy is just ragebaiting

[silver plume]

"randoms". thats rly funny coz i have better stats than u and more achievements etc than u. all you are is a random battles spammer 😂

[rocky sentinel]

Prove how we are randoms and you are better.

[burnt venture]

Now we get to stat shaming lol. Please share with me how much better you are

[silver plume]

youre talking about credibility when u have zero cred urself

[terse beacon]

It's really not. The downtime is way too long which means the tank becomes very team reliant. The 1.7 intraclip is why it's toxic, but it certainly doesn't make it very strong either. There's much better t9 heavies

[red sail]

you devs should really buff e100 turret armour

[burnt venture]

The issue here is calibrated shells being completely over buffed and not the armor

[red sail]

ohh i shouldve really talked with some respect

[burnt venture]

?

[rocky sentinel]

The long down time is fine.

[red sail]

i think you should nerf the calibrated shells and buff the armour

[burnt venture]

Nerfing Cali is the same as buffing the armor m8

[red sail]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[remote oriole]

Tangential but I think that powercreep in this game is mainly driven by equipment, provisions, consumables and crew skills, not balance changes

[burnt venture]

How can crew skills cause power creep when they haven’t changed in ten years lol

[red sail]

but yes your right lux but if we dont have armour onll like provisions equipment etc then how would we even win we have no armour!

[remote oriole]

That‘s the thing, they have and it was a major power creep event

[red sail]

what was that yap that made no sense

[terse beacon]

Not for it to be considered very strong, 25 seconds downtime is massive. Again much better heavies in t9, if you want to talk about solely double shot heavies then prog, mbt and 752 are all better

[signal dagger]

That’s how power creep happens. New things are more powerful each time they are added while the old things are left in the past with little change to keep them balanced with the new things.

[burnt venture]

Explain

[red sail]

guys pls remove the red marker for armour it removes the learning feature from the game

[thorny timber]

He's asking how the power creep happens via crew skills when they weren't changed for a long time themselves

[signal dagger]

Oh, it’s too early for me. I thought it was something else than crew skills. My bad

[thorny timber]

👍

[arctic sage]

Genuinely,should the FV215B (Heavy) get nerfed? I heard people call it op,but it might be true,it has a great mobility for a heavy (especially with the booster) a great gun with great alpha,DPM and HESH(greatest Shell in existence)Decent armor and also a lot of HP which is 2534 with Double Sandbags which is almost SHT(Super Heavy Tank) lvl of HP which makes the survivability high.IMO,I might remove the super booster,nerf the DPM by like maybe -150.This is my opinion so if you don't agree,is alr

[remote oriole]

What do you mean explain? They added tier 6 and 7 and two light tank crew skills

[cinder shard]

I certainly think it's a little too strong right now. Personally, I wouldn't remove the special consumable. I think that the mobility in combination with the gun is what makes the tank so fun. As such, the armor could be nerfed (especially frontal hull) and the DPM could be reduced a little. I'd like to keep it a tank that's somewhat difficult to play but very rewarding if someone gets it right. Similar to the Conqueror for example.

[red sail]

guys devs remove the tanks and add fighter jets

[stark wind]

Sometimes you guys forgot wotb is about ww2

[red sail]

yea

[mystic nova]

the king couldn’t stay away

[red sail]

devs add a tank based on goku lol

[arctic sage]

Hmm that makes sense,we could revert the armor buff it got last year

Tho the visuals of the FV215B and the Conqueror Visualy almost the same, except for the turret at the back,they should change the visual of tank by a bit,or probably change the turret so it doesn't look like the conqueror.

[grizzled dock]

this is a bit too op, maybe needs nerf

[ocean portal]

Hello, to clarify my suggestion, den ennoo mono to Tier VIII. Tha ithela ena optional legacy matchmaking mode me pio anoikto tier spread genika, px Tier VIII me VI/VII/IX, Tier IX me VII/VIII/X, kai paromoia logiki kai gia ta ypoloipa tiers opou ginetai. Oxi na antikatastisei to current matchmaking, alla na yparxei san optional mode i separate queue.

Hello, to clarify my suggestion: I am not asking only for Tier VIII. I would like an optional legacy matchmaking mode with a wider tier spread across multiple tiers in general, for example Tier VIII vs VI/VII/IX, Tier IX vs VII/VIII/X, and similar logic for the other tiers where applicable. This should be an optional mode or separate queue, not a replacement for the current matchmaking.

[marble willow]

Only engrish please

[terse cairn]

Yea nerf its upper plate. Personally I think they should remove the ssb and buff the reverse speed to like 15

[arctic sage]

Dude there is an English translation down there

[arctic sage]

Yeah the SSB is not needed,the tank is already fast for is category

[ocean portal]

Hello, to clarify my suggestion: I am not asking only for Tier VIII. I would like an optional legacy matchmaking mode with a wider tier spread across multiple tiers in general, for example Tier VIII vs VI/VII/IX, Tier IX vs VII/VIII/X, and similar logic for the other tiers where applicable. This should be an optional mode or separate queue, not a replacement for the current matchmaking. that eill be good to have 2 modes

[arctic sage]

So smth like WoT PC?

[ocean portal]

it will be coll to hace 2 modes

[arctic sage]

Genuinely VII vs IX sounds crazy

[ocean portal]

yes it will be bery cool

[mystic nova]

what is that

[brave dragon]

Please limit your suggestion to one channel only.
It seems you are trying to have this conversation in 5 channels ... and certainly tank balance is not the correct channel for it.

[marble willow]

Goes for all text

[arctic sage]

Oh srry

[glacial flower]

petition to buff the CS tech tree

[marble willow]

Nah dont apologize. I mean like you said the translation does the job anyways so its fine

[ocean portal]

thats my suggestion.I would also like to suggest an armor buff for the E 100, especially to its frontal armor. As a super-heavy tank, it should feel tougher and more dependable, closer to the Maus in terms of survivability. Right now, its armor can feel weaker than expected for its class and role. A small frontal armor improvement could help the E 100 feel more competitive and more rewarding to play without changing its identity.

[burnt venture]

This was like, ancient news man. Update 4.3 this happened 💀

[tranquil finch]

It’s basically a box tank… literally angle the tank if you can’t sidescrape against a building. I’ve played it a bit and have never had an issue with it, and I’ve seen quite a few people play it and have no issues at all with the armor.
It takes learning to get all the armor to be used best, but it doesn’t need an armor buff

[muted rampart]

There were actually quite a lot of people like that when WG has asked the playerbase for their opinions on T9 balance once a few years ago.

Pretty much everyone was saying to just nerf 752 and a whole lot of snowflakes that didn't want their favourite auto win button nerfed came up in this chat

[meager delta]

I kinda agree with the idea of e-100 buff, but what he really needs is not armor, but reload time reduce on 15.5cm

remember good old 14.5s reload and 640 damage, good times

[muted rampart]

E100 is very solid right now, if anything it needs a rebalance, not a buff.

If you want any armor, you have to give up some of that crazy DPM from 12,8cm, otherwise it will just be a 100% better maus.

[meager delta]

Talking about buffs, 114sp2 definitely needs one

[unique scaffold]

Bruh

[regal flax]

buenas donde reporto que mi cuenta no ingresa al juego?

[primal yacht]

@regal flax, you can reach out to the support using the following link: https://wargaming.net/support/en/products/wotb/help/

@regal flax, please note, that the official language of this server is English. If you want to speak Spanish,
please join the unofficial server below.
Atencion, la idioma oficial de este servidor es inglés. Si quieres hablar Español o no sabe como usar ingles, porfa, únase al servidor de abajo. Asesoramiento, este servidor enlace de internet ni la propia de Wargaming ni reglementado de Wargaming.
https://discord.gg/r-top-blitz-en-espanol-786899768487575582

[keen tinsel]

maybe buff the bzt70 a little

[latent copper]

improved suspension for tigermaus please

[vague fiber]

nerf that things side armour and give it better traverse

[shy nymph]

Almost unplayable tanks: IS-7 and Type-71

[remote oriole]

It still caused major power creep. I didn’t say that the power creep had to happen in the past five years; I was speaking of what I consider the main drivers of power creep and just like the other things crew perks changes provided a blanket buff across the entire board (which immediately fulfils the definition of power creep).

The new light tank perks were in 4.8 by the way, so half a year later (March 2018)

[burnt venture]

Dude, it’s been the same for so long that saying it’s the “main driver” for power creep is wild. It’s been 8 years since the last change lmao

Idk what the weird fixation with crew skills is with you, there’s a thousand other things that make way more impact on the game like, right now

Crew skill issue is like the last possible thing to address for power creep in terms of priority

[ivory linden]

Pls give jagdpanzer e 100 his tungsten 🙏

[marble willow]

I dont want a heavily armored 183 rolling around the map 🙏

[burnt venture]

Ur about to get one anyway in the form of the BZT

[marble willow]

Great thats just great

So the bzt is just gonna be a tier 10 caliban?

[jaunty ridge]

it's a gun handling tragedy 🙏

[marble willow]

Wooooo 🥀 😭

[ivory linden]

LOL

[velvet cove]

I mean.. it seems fair?

[hollow crescent]

mmh 2 full rotating turrets and "armor" and decent mobility, yeppers gotta be as precise as the real deal

[marble willow]

https://tenor.com/view/lightning-cat-gif-14163304810376092588

[thorny timber]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-hiromi-higuruma-jujutsu-kaisen-jujutsu-kaisen-meme-jjk-memes-gif-10370496866020481076

[arctic sage]

Oh ok

[remote oriole]

You might have noticed that it was the last on my list and that you singled it out.

Also I did not say that any of these things need to be addressed, since every time they were addressed, the powercreep got worse.
What I meant to say with my message is that I consider general performance boosting mechanics more impactful in terms of overall powercreep over the years than balance changes. What you made of it is evident; I don‘t think I need to comment on the way you participated in this conversation

Maybe buy a mirror

[muted rampart]

Sadly i think it will be a bit better.

They should just nuke it so that it's no better than 183 and then i am fine with it

[red sail]

guys remove the hecking scope and make the bullets do 1million dmg for april fools and make accuracy 0.1%

[burnt venture]

?

It just shouldn’t be on the list at all lol, 2% on an existing crew skills is infinitesimal compared to the other changes. Calling it “major” power creep is an actual joke. It’s just not a big problem whatsoever. The two new LT skills impacted comp way more than randoms, and in comp everyone maxed out the skills anyway

I don’t think I need to comment on the way you participated in this conversation because you had a terrible point to begin with. I singled it out cuz it was pointless and way older than anything else on the list

[glacial flower]

Day 2 of asking the devs to buff the CS tech tree

[rocky sentinel]

With a woping 9 reverse, some gun depression and some armor. Tbh the reverse should have been 7 lol.

[rocky sentinel]

Y’all forget it has a little something

[glad flower]

Maybe recommend what should be buffed, constructive feedback does more than saying “buff tank xy”

[muted rampart]

Who cares? It will be about as mobile as 183 anyway which is far more mobile than it should have been.

[terse beacon]

Bzt is already going to be completely garbage. Just toxic which is unavoidable when you give a heavy such high alpha

[muted rampart]

Make it even more garbage. If they want to slap a 183 onto a heavy tank, it should have absolutely nothing else to offer, 183 on a non TD platform is more than enough of a gimmick.

Give it caliban like accuracy, make turret front AP penetrable and leave it as mobile as it is. Even then with just full turret rotation and more HP it should be comparable in power to FV 183

[terse beacon]

It already doesn't have anything else to offer

[muted rampart]

It has to offer the fact that it can trade much better than FV 183 which is pretty much all you do with the only drawback being worse accuracy and slightly longer reload.

That's not nearly enough to compensate for the platform being so unimaginably better.

I don't mean to say it's good, but 183 is just that horrid. If those tanks are to be comparable, BZT needs to be nuked once again.

[terse beacon]

They already are comparable you are severely underestimating how terrible bzt gun stats especially are. A heavy is also always going to be better at trading than a td is shocker

[muted rampart]

Being better at trading automatically makes you a better tank if your main asset is alpha.

You need a lot to counterbalance that

[glacial flower]

All the CS tanks from tier 7-9 should have an armor buff, atleast an additional 50mm on the turret front and 30mm on the hull front

The CS-53's gun is mediocre so I say it should do 320 instead of 290

[terse beacon]

I didn't say it wasn't better i said they're already comparable in terms of strength. Which they are, bzt is only very slightly better than 183 is simply because of being a heavy

[opaque panther]

Idk whats going on but im happy to get another land artillery to play with

[muted rampart]

I don't like the prospect of any new 183 like tanks in the game, and if they must be introduced make them worse than current 183, not better, even if only slightly.

Encouraging people to play such tanks is the exact opposite of what should be done.

Current 183 spam is more than enough

[terse beacon]

It is unavoidable because it's a heavy. Either way doesn't matter just use your brain and this tank will be completely free farm 🤷

[opaque panther]

I cant wait to drop 1300 dmg rounds

[remote oriole]

You read way more into a single item on a list than I ever said. I already pointed out what I meant to say and yet you still pretend like crew skills and how they added to the power creep (which they undeniably did) is the main point I‘m trying to make

Whether you consider 2% more accuracy on all tanks (dispersion and dispersion factors), 6% more camo on all tanks, 8% faster repair on all tanks, 10% less efficiency loss for damaged modules on all tanks, 2% faster turning for all tanks, 2% higher mobility if enemies are near for all tanks, 2% higher chance for perfect accuracy, higher pen and module crit on all tanks, 35% max roll chance on all tanks and 7% faster capture on all tanks and other improvements „major“ or not really isn‘t for me to decide.

But I feel justified in saying that it was a major power creep and thus it belongs on the list of game-wide mechanics that contributed to powercreep and I still think that all the things on the list contributed more to power creep than all the individual balance changes

[marble willow]

[rocky sentinel]

Actually, make it so that it needs super speed boost to reverse, trust.

[marble willow]

What the helly 😭

[rocky sentinel]

Exactly, imo any tank that that can do a quick nuke of damage very fast should have the ability to be equally nuked.

Give the Carro a 3.75-4 second introclip.

[muted parrot]

Is there someone that I can talk to that can help me login to my account. I haven't played in years and it's say that my na account has a eu account link and I can't find a way to link or delete that account. I've tried sending a ticket but I can't send a ticket without login in

[pale salmon]

Hello everyone! Does anyone remember the legendary 'Leviathan Rising' event? I’ve come up with a concept for a new mode called 'Titan Hunt' that I think the community would love.

The core idea: A team of players must stop one of four massive 'Titan' tanks: Leviathan, Ratte, KV-44, or KV-54. These monsters are internet legends with millions of fans worldwide!

To the Devs (@Evil_PENGUIN_ or @inciter): What do you think about such a boss-fight mode? Is there any chance we might see this in WoT Blitz or the PC version?

Also, I suggest making it a permanent or long-term mode. Temporary 1-week events can be frustrating—players who lose to the boss should have a chance for a 'revenge match' later. Keeping it available would be much better for everyone!

[stark wind]

Blitz maps are too small for this

[pale salmon]

I think for these titans, like in the Leviathan event, they will develop a map specifically for this.

[olive yoke]

This aint happening nga

[pale salmon]

People said the same about Sheridan missiles, the 'Big Boss' mode, and the 'Reforged' engine before they were officially announced. If developers only listened to those who say 'it's impossible', we wouldn't have any cool events at all. It's just a concept, why be so negative?

[marble willow]

[olive yoke]

I dont think even lesta would do something like this

They got a literal ms1 at tier 10 btw

[pale salmon]

Lesta is Russian company. they have "Tanks Blitz" not WoT Blitz

[olive yoke]

All im seeing here are russian symbols no?

[pale salmon]

I live right next to the combat zone. I’ve reached such a level of 'Zen' that your provocations simply don't affect me. I’m here to discuss game concepts, not listen to empty noise.

Just to add: I live right across the river from a nuclear power plant currently held by Russian forces. I’m trying to stay out of politics and avoid arguments entirely. I just want peace. So please, don't provoke or argue with me; I’m not here for a fight, I'm here for the game and my concepts. Let's just keep it about tanks."

[vestal parcel]

Reviving the Groundtank
The Groundtank is one of the most unique tanks in World of Tanks Blitz (futuristic design, reactive effects, strong presence), but right now it feels completely forgotten:
Rarely used
No gun marks (no progression)
No real impact in Tier VIII
My idea is NOT to make it OP, but to make it relevant again.
Possible solutions:
Add gun marks and small improvements
Or introduce a Tier X evolved version with clear trade-offs (more damage, less accuracy / strong armor but weak spots)
Or expand the concept into a “Ground series” of experimental tanks
The Groundtank creates reactions like: “What is that tank?”
“It looks huge”
“It has effects when hit”
That kind of impact is rare and worth preserving.
Right now, it feels like a unique experience is slowly being lost.

[marble willow]

I think the only buff it got was when they made the gun sound like a 122-130mm rather than a 105mm lol

[vestal parcel]

Exactly, and that’s part of the problem.
The Groundtank has a unique design and special mechanics, but almost no real improvements or progression.
That’s why I’m not suggesting making it overpowered, just making it relevant again so players actually have a reason to use it.

[bold nymph]

Can we decrease the reload for high score

12 sec is a long time for a medium on tier 5

[marble willow]

A buff to the mobility would be nice. Or the accuracy

[wicked quest]

They can’t because it came from a license deal genius, why do you think it’s never been for sale ever since
As for buffs it was never relevant it was just another tier 8 heavy ( despite having the profile of a T10 )

[vapid horizon]

Synx out of retirement is peak.

Fv4202 could use some attention, it's been pretty anemic for awhile now.

[open lake]

Buff gsor fearless

[remote pawn]

Truthnuke

[obtuse rover]

Yes

[pliant venture]

Lorraine 50t buff
Maximum speed: 43 km/h → 46 km/h
Terrain modifiers: 104/74/55 → 104/92/65
Accuracy: 0.345 → 0.326
Reload time: 9.88s → 9.48s

And buff GSOR Fearless

[bold nymph]

Well no one can get the ground tank it’s unavailability is part of the cause)

[vague fiber]

so why does the 50t need a buffÉ

[pliant venture]

Although the turret is sturdy, the hull armor is extremely thin, so it could be faster; when driving over rough terrain, it slows down so much that it’s hard to believe it’s a fast heavy tank, which is frustrating.
Accuracy is quite poor for a gun with a single-shot damage of 380,
and DPM is also not very good for a single-shot gun.

The main reason is that, aside from turret armor, a 10-degree depression angle, and maximum forward and reverse speeds, its performance is on par with or inferior to the Conqueror.

[vestal parcel]

Bro, I think the Groundtank does need some kind of improvement because it’s literally been an abandoned Tier 8 tank since it came out of the event.
And yeah, I get that maybe they can’t change things like the design, the name of the tank, and some other aspects because of licensing. But when it comes to stats and even the tier, they should be able to adjust that, although changing the tier is more delicate because of balance.
I also doubt it would become stronger than something like the Type 5 Heavy — it would be more similar to a Maus, but a bit faster.

[terse beacon]

Groundtank is already fine doesn't need changes

[prisma jetty]

Groundtank is strong, it’s just that a lot of people don’t have it because it was payed content, meaning you’d have to drop real money for it, something not a whole lot of players are willing tondo.

[vestal parcel]

I get what you mean, and yeah, it can still perform in some Tier 8 situations.
But the problem isn’t just performance — it’s that it doesn’t really stand out. Tier 8 has a lot of variety, and the Groundtank just feels like it gets lost among other heavies that have more defined strengths.
That’s why I think small buffs wouldn’t really change much. It would still feel the same overall.
A more interesting solution could be moving it to a different tier, or even introducing more tanks with a similar design or concept, so it actually has a place where it can stand out and feel unique.
Right now, it’s not that it’s bad — it just doesn’t feel special enough to make people want to play it again.

[marble willow]

https://tenor.com/view/sora-ai-ai-dog-sora-ai-dog-dog-ai-ai-gif-1966252135688010824

[vestal parcel]

That’s actually a fair point — making a rare tank stronger could feel frustrating for players who don’t have it.
That’s why I wasn’t really thinking about directly buffing it in a way that makes it exclusive or unfair.
A better approach could be expanding on its concept instead — like introducing a similar tank line or a higher-tier version inspired by it. Not a direct upgrade, but more like an evolution of the idea, so more players can experience that unique design and playstyle.
It could even be tied to an event, so it stays fair and accessible, while still giving the original tank its own identity.
Right now, it feels like a concept that was introduced once and then forgotten, when it actually has potential to be expanded into something bigger.

[wicked quest]

Well yes and no it was a limited time licensing deal MAYBE WG renews it when the next dune comes out

[vague fiber]

isnt the maus kinda related as a high tier tank

[vestal parcel]

The issue is that the Groundtank never really had a lasting impact. It was visible for a short time after release, but then it quickly disappeared from the meta.

What makes it interesting is that it actually has unique visual effects and reactions when taking hits or bouncing shots, which gives it a distinct identity. But that identity doesn’t really translate into meaningful gameplay advantages.

So even though it looks unique, in practice it doesn’t stand out compared to other heavies that have a clearer role.

Whether that means reworking its role, moving it to a different tier, or creating a new tank that builds on its concept, I think there’s real potential there that hasn’t been explored.

[wicked quest]

It was never meta it was a painfully average tank if not subpar tank due to its gun, it’s larger than a maus with less armor tier for tier it was not a pleasant experience to drive

[vestal parcel]

Yeah bro, but it’s just a relative comparison to what a Tier X Groundtank could potentially be.

[vestal parcel]

Yeah bro, and that’s exactly why it ended up being abandoned and barely used.
Against Tier 9s it was honestly just bad, and that very slow turning speed is also a real issue.
But bro, the design and the size it has always felt more like something meant for Tier X.

[clear flax]

Would it be unreasonable if Amx 50b came with spall liner?

[terse beacon]

It's already very strong rn so why the hell would it need spall?

[clear flax]

It’s got good mobility but I get easily HE’d. Any suggestions on avoiding he shells

[terse beacon]

Most tanks can't HE your front so as long as you don't show your sides HE won't really matter

[clear flax]

Ok thanks

[sterile umbra]

Buff 183
Reload Time -> 0.1s
Alpha -> 3300
Pen -> 499mm
Speed -> 0.01km
Armor -> 1mm at thickest
HP: 999

[vague fiber]

yes it would be

[faint badger]

How is the CDA allowed to be this bad, I'm happy for the 3750 gold but it's really surprising

I mean it's not like it's the worst thing in the world but comparing it to the 120G FT it's kinda just irrelevant

[dapper zenith]

ya i didnt like how it played either

[faint badger]

Less DPM AND less alpha, gun handling is barely better, speed is the same with better acceleration but that's it, armor is worse, camo is the same, it's bigger. Only good thing is 8° of depression

[dapper zenith]

even at -8 , alot of t8 meds can pen its sloped face still, its pretty bad. i didnt like its style at all

[viscid lichen]

Add oil for nc70

[marble willow]

Honestly im just happy ift hey give it more traverse

[hushed token]

Just fix its armor profile at the cut outs and it will be great

[vapid horizon]

I agree Groundtank could be alot more interesting that it currently is, but because it is basically impossible to obtain it would not be great if it became a very strong tank.

[lime spruce]

nerf 114 SP2 /joke.
114 is a frigging demon if used correctly. though I don't like how the frontal sloped plates are considered side plates, despite it being more than capable of being frontal plates, it doesn't get 300mm of armour and is typically where I get penned most by prammo.
I'm happy with it already, though adding 10 to its alpha (for AP only) might seem reasonable to be on par with other heavies with 150-152mm guns. It's like the E100 and 60TP had a baby.

pro tip for people with it that still can't get a hang of it: use TD's before you use it, second line sniper. These two photos is me staying back instead of going front line, using distance to make of its useful armour and to cripple enemy tanks (high module damage, aim for engines). It's not as far back as the TD Obj, but not as far forward as E100. Due to its alpha, you'll find yourself doing 580-620 on lower/on par damage, so treat it like it's alpha is high 500's and use shots sparingly at the end

[meager delta]

I believe he needs a little buff, and a bonus 20/30/90 damage per shot for ap/heat/he would be great, then his long reload and bad accuracy would be justified

465 (min for ap) or 390 (min on heat) damage per shot with 15.6 second reload is just wild work and I had this happen to me

And I wouldn't complain if at least front upper plate couldn't be penetrated by everyone on base shells

[meager delta]

114sp2 and e-100 have almost the same dpm (80 damage difference) but e-100 is so much better in terms of armor and damage per shot with same accuracy, 60tp also has almost the same dpm but accuracy better and has tungsten, same goes for vk72

[muted rampart]

What you seem to forget is that no one plays E100 on 150cm because it's horrendous. And even then it's better than 114.

Everyone uses 128 on it, because it's miles better.

[meager delta]

I play on 15,5cm, even tho 128 is indeed much better - I don't need another maus in my hangar

[muted rampart]

It is much better than maus tho, like incomparably better

[meager delta]

I know but I, as an og e-100 player, stay loyal to 15,5cm

[red sail]

give shewel a job hehhe

😠

[merry harbor]

It just needs an upper plate buff

[pure laurel]

Unrelated= Give Foch 115 a new camo = Yollo blitz.
Give smv vipera its legendary camo.

[inland quarry]

Day 1 of asking for premium certifcates back, its ridiculous they got removed for 0 reason, god forbid you help the f2p players out

[primal mauve]

Vipera should get its legendary camo somewhat looks like a Viper lul

[red sail]

day 42 of asking to remove the scoping option and make the ammo bigger and do 1mil dmg but their accuracy is very low and make it for april fools and also make a setting to turn it on

[obsidian socket]

Good day. Petition to increase the ammorack durability on the Biter as it gets blown by 400alpha guns frontally even with Protective Kit. Thanks

[rocky sentinel]

Give it da best accuracy out of all 150+ MM heavys in it’s tier, I’d like it to be very accurate. But you forget something: The 60TP defeats the purpose of this tank in basically every metric.

60TP defeats the purpose of like every 150+MM heavy tank except the VK72.

[rocky sentinel]

Remove spall liner from the Grill 15, it doesn’t need it. Instead give it AP standard with the same pen it has now.

[rocky sentinel]

Give obj 260 7 degrees of gun depression, and give it better terrain resistance and or 135 MM of side armor.

[summer rock]

[bold dagger]

114 SP2 is fine right now

the tank may not compare well on soft stat to the other 15cm toting heavies at the tier, but its 7 degrees of gun depression and usable turret armor, along with a frontally mounted turret vs a mid or rear mounted turret makes it surprisingly easy to poke forward, put a shot in, and get back in cover

i like playing heavy alpha tanks that don’t need to stick to flat ground to be effective, so i actually enjoy the 114 SP2 over most heavies at Tier X

[rocky sentinel]

I 3 marked the Grill without needing spall at any point. And when I played I averaged 3k damage with like 70% wr overall during my 3 mark streak. The Grill doesn’t need Spall.

[shy nymph]

The before and after of Type 71

[rocky sentinel]

Uh huh.

[shy nymph]

They actually destroyed the tank

[rocky sentinel]

They actually balanced the tank, putting aside the premium AP.

[shy nymph]

Nobody wanted this

[muted rampart]

Well 60TP still kinda renders it irrelevant.

Though that's the case with pretty much all high alpha T10 hts

[prisma jetty]

A lot of people did

[rocky sentinel]

Well judging that it was nerfed some evidently did want it. And once again, the Type 71 is still great despite the nerfs.

[shy nymph]

Would you trade all the protection and mobility it had for the premium AP?

[prisma jetty]

The only people who don’t want Type 71 nerfed are those who relied on it being broken to make up for their lack of skill

[rocky sentinel]

Idc what it had, I only care that it’s balanced barring the premium AP it has.

Plus when reforged will come out you will get your wish.

[shy nymph]

The suspension equipment on it makes no sense

[rocky sentinel]

How?

[shy nymph]

The equipment in it isn't very useful

[rocky sentinel]

Alright who thinks he is rage baiting now?

[shy nymph]

I just think he shouldn't have lost his essence

His essence has always been to have low damage per minute (DPM) and good mobility with good armor

[remote oriole]

The tank was ridiculously op and it deserved the nerf

[shy nymph]

Yes, but it didn't deserve to be completely nerfed

But nowadays, if it were like that, it wouldn't be so OP; those calibrated tanks puncture everything

Others that were destroyed were the IS7 and the T57

IS7 lost 10 km/h, lost armor, etc

The T57 has to be the worst version of a T10 I've ever seen in this game

[obtuse rover]

I feel like is7 and is4 should swap consumables

[merry harbor]

Type 71 is pretty trash

[shy nymph]

The t95E6 is 10 times better than the type 71

[merry harbor]

oH bUt tHe ArMoR!!!
Bruh the armor also sucks
Turret has 280mm weak points
Big hatch
Weak upper plate
Corner cutouts
All around meh

[shy nymph]

The guy's argument is that he won "AP premium" lol

[merry harbor]

Indeed
Like playing the type over the e6 you just massively nerfing yourself

[merry harbor]

Woah! Such a great advantage! High penetration amd low damage dropoff!
Too bad it isn't nearly enough especially since your dpm and accuracy is still bad

Like the gun depression is nice buf like the sconq just does it better
And the e6 ofc

[shy nymph]

Does anyone from Wargame actually see this chat?

[left hare]

good evenings, guys

can we get new tank (amx) on event with gold?

I mean, is there chance to decrease it to gold

[rocky sentinel]

E6 is still pretty OP even after the nerf, so of course it would perform better in this mobility and TD meta, and the DPM is only much worse if you pen it every shot with standard. And comparing 2 tanks that are nothing like each other doesn’t make that much sense.
Also have you played the Type 71 recently? Because if you say it’s gun accuracy is bad you clearly haven’t played it. It is number 3 in on movement dispersion, better then the E6. I rarely need to aim in my shots 95% of the time.

[shy nymph]

Exactly, the meta today is mobility, and they took mobility away from the tank, which was designed for that purpose

[rocky sentinel]

It’s a super heavy, not a tank that should have an insane power to weight. And its mobility isn’t bad. It’s like the WZ121 where it has on paper mediocre speed but it has great terrain resistance.

[shy nymph]

The main characteristics of the tank were mobility and armor, and they took that away

His equipment is specifically designed for that purpose

in exchange for losing range of vision

And to have an extremely low DPM compared to other heavyweights, and you're saying it's balanced like that?

[rocky sentinel]

DPM isn’t the deciding factor of if a tank is good. Unless you are firing every single time you have a shell the DPM isn’t useful.
And another thing about the Type 71 is it has the same HP as a super heavy, without being slow like one.

[shy nymph]

Nobody asked them to modify the tank; the only ones who asked were those who didn't know how to deal with it

[rocky sentinel]

Yeah, like everyone who was fighting against it.

[shy nymph]

Nobody who plays with him cares about HP; those who lined up to get him were precisely the ones who wanted a fast, heavy hitter who was different from the norm

[rocky sentinel]

Heavy hitter? When did the Type 71 have more then 420 DPS?

[shy nymph]

I'm talking about RAM

e50m style

[rocky sentinel]

So you want the Type 71 to ram like how the E50M would yolo you full speed when it had reactive? Sounds like a great decision.

[shy nymph]

For mobility, yes

[rocky sentinel]

So, how well do you perform it may I ask? I’d like to know just in case I’m not performing well enough to have a good opinion for myself.

[rocky sentinel]

Interesting.

[shy nymph]

It used to be 75%

[rocky sentinel]

Well, I average this in it. I’d like to know how I can perform better WR in this.

[prisma jetty]

So all comp players just didn’t know how to deal with it?

[rocky sentinel]

But I still don’t get the DPM argument, this is higher than 90% of my tier tens.

[shy nymph]

What is the average WR of your account?

[shy nymph]

Before, most people used a mortar and pestle, nowadays they only use calibrated

[prisma jetty]

???

[rocky sentinel]

My 30 day is like 62% but that’s because I was just playing the Grill 15. Recently I’m looking at 65% WR.

[shy nymph]

After the calibration buff, it's much easier to pierce

[prisma jetty]

That doesn’t change my point

[shy nymph]

Ok

[prisma jetty]

Brother just stop deflecting and actually answer this question lol

[shy nymph]

Most competitive players used it precisely because it was different

[prisma jetty]

They used it because it was broken

[shy nymph]

But others used the WZ-113 and IS-7 tanks, which competed with the Type 71

[prisma jetty]

They really didn’t, the Type absolutely stomped the competition which is why it was the most used tank in comp when it was released, and it wasn’t even close

[shy nymph]

I saw it, but I'm talking about the regular mode

[prisma jetty]

Even in regular mode type was spammed and had far better stats than other tier 10 heavies, it was the easiest to perform in and could still be abused by better players

[shy nymph]

Do you think things would be like that today?

[prisma jetty]

If it was reverted back to its original state? Yeah, it still would be incredibly strong

Maybe not broken, but definitely not balanced

[shy nymph]

Do you agree that it would be easier to drill into it nowadays?

[marble willow]

It used to be uncannily fast for such a heavily armored tank

[prisma jetty]

No, it was the speed combined with the armor that made it hard to penetrate. Giving it the speed back, specifically the rotation speed, would make it just as hard to penetrate as it was before

[marble willow]

Traverse speed

[vestal parcel]

Yeah, I get what you mean, it wouldn’t be fair to make a rare tank too strong if most players can’t get it anymore.

And since it came from the Dune: Part Two collab, they probably can’t really do much with it anyway because of licensing.

That’s why I think instead of buffing it directly, it would be better to just take the idea and make a new tank inspired by it, something everyone can actually get.

That way the original stays exclusive, but the concept doesn’t just disappear over time.

[shy nymph]

Nowadays, with everyone using calibrated?

[prisma jetty]

Yes

[shy nymph]

The E5 pierces Type 71 just like paper

[prisma jetty]

Like I said, it was the armor in combination with the traverse speed

[shy nymph]

The IS7 currently has almost 340 penetration in the premium

[prisma jetty]

Ok so you aren’t interested in actually having a conversation, good to know

[shy nymph]

I'm saying that, in general, all tanks today can pierce the Type 71

[prisma jetty]

I never disagreed with that, but you’re completely ignoring the fact that the mobility in combination with the armor is what made it hard to penetrate, and you’re asking for the mobility back

[shy nymph]

So they should nerf the armor and bring back the mobility, simple

[prisma jetty]

So it shouldn’t be brought back to its original state?

[shy nymph]

In terms of mobility, yes, but the lower part of the chassis should be nerfed in terms of armor

Removing that was simply a mistake

[terse beacon]

None of those tanks competed with type lmao it made all of them irrelevant

[remote oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-out-line-but-right-gif-22029772

[cinder shard]

Please think twice before sending such a message. People may have a different opinion on this type of stuff for multiple reasons, and some just try to bait you into arguments. I'm not saying that this is the case here, but there's no reason for this to get out of hand either way.

[mystic nova]

the 113 still has a role just due to high pen and DPM. IS7 different category imo.

[cinder shard]

In my eyes, the Type was nerfed for a reason. It can still work as it is right now, but I also get that people want to see it changed. I agree that it shouldn't just be turned back into the original tank, though, because the combination of armor and mobility on it was just too much.

Speaking about the 113... I do miss the older version quite a bit.
Back when it had less armor and 420 alpha with better DPM. I think that made it pretty unique to play; now it's become pretty bland and somewhat boring

[marble willow]

so true

[light pewter]

I watched Droodles Blitz's video about SPHT tank.
SPHT tank should be Tier XI instead Tier X cause of HP.
To be honest

[cinder shard]

Stats for unreleased vehicles are subject to change and might not represent what is released. That also means that the tank's stats could have a typo and it's supposed to have an average amount of hitpoints.

[obtuse rover]

It’s probably supposed to be 2500 not 3500

[unkempt jungle]

Hya how much exp would I need to grind BZ 79?

[scarlet yarrow]

FIX THE FREAKING SERVERS WG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vapid horizon]

I think it could just be rebalanced to be more interesting than it currently is. It would be cool if it had a super low velocity gun with a relatively high dpm/alpha combo like the churchill 8.

[muted rampart]

Tbh if that were the case, it would be utter garbage. Basically a much slower E6.

On the other hand if it does get the 3,5k HP it will be an insta pick for all comp games since it gets to be a massive sponge without the drawback of being pile of garbage like Maus

[merry harbor]

What armor? There's literally barely on the type

And traverse speed? You mean the bottom 20%?

[prisma jetty]

Is context not a thing people look for anymore?

[merry harbor]

Yea ik
That's why it needs some of it back

[quaint otter]

STB needs up

[solemn olive]

What are we even here for? To suffer?

I got this thinking surely it isn't the old version of this, they gave it some armor right? I like trade offs but give away to not get anything in return is well. Awkward.

[rocky sentinel]

Type 5 Zetsu looks like they took the type 5 heavy, slightly better armor and health, made it a little more mobile, and gave it higher DPM.

[hushed token]

You mean stronger armor , same HP pool and more DPM ?

[rocky sentinel]

Oh wait, I didn’t run the correct things on it. But the armor isn’t really that much better.

[terse beacon]

Yes it is because it can sidescrape unlike regular type. Its front is only 10-15mm weaker which gets counteracted by the fact it can angle

[rocky sentinel]

I guess the buffed cutout makes it a tad bit better for side scraping but other than that it’s basically the same.

[rocky sentinel]

You’re comparing a super heavy to a high DPM heavium. Of course it’s going to be slower and have less DPM. But it has 1100 more HP and better armor. You’re Comparing apples to oranges.

Unless it is a typo for then it looks kinda eh. But i dont think it is a typo

[muted rampart]

You can't really angle the turret so there's that. It's turret is butter for gold. I'd say their armor is comparable

[muted rampart]

I'd advise taking some reading comprehension classes.

I said if the SPHT's HP were to be a mistake and it was to have 2500 HP it would be a garbage E6.

At that point it doesn't matter whether it is a SH, heavium or whatever, it's armor is comparable to E6, it's gun is worse than on E6 and it's mobility us far worse than E6. If it's HP was also not much better, it would be just a much worse E6.

[terse beacon]

? So? That's the same for regular type 5 they're both getting penned by gold

[muted rampart]

That's why i said they are comparable. Both get penned pretty much the same way. Sure Zetsu can angle, but due to it's armor reductions in the end effective armor is about the same.

[terse beacon]

The effective armour is just not the same do you not understand how big of an impact being able to angle/sidescrape makes? Type 5 has to front peak everything due to its weakspots which isn't always the most ideal way to play. Also have to keep in mind zetsu is much much quicker, so it can wiggle faster if need be

[muted rampart]

Except it's still very subpar for sidescrape. Better than standard Type, but not really good anyway. I guess it won't get standard penned, but it will still eat all gold right into it's massive turret cheek.

As for being much more mobile it isn't that big of a difference. It's not like standard Type 5 takes all that long to accelerate to those whopping 27 kph.

[terse beacon]

Very subpar at sidescraping yet blocks almost every standard round shot at it? Make it make sense brother

And idk what you're even talking about anymore, this isn't "that big of a difference"??

[rocky sentinel]

Ok, but I acknowledged that “if it was a typo then it looks kinda eh” in the message. Do I need to say I agree when responding to a message that says almost the exact same thing? But you’re also advising me to take reading comprehension classes when you are saying these have “comparable armor”.

How are they comparable when one has troll armor and one has effective armor? I guess the hatch is one comparable aspect, but that is a massive stretch.

[muted rampart]

Yes, subpar at side scraping. It's not like it's entirely unable to do so, but it's very far from actually good side scraping tanks like the IS-4 not even mentioning designated side scrapers like VK 90.

[muted rampart]

Yes they do have comparable armor, at least in practice. Due to it's massive cupola the rest of SPHT's armor is pretty much irrelevant more often than not. Nobody will shoot that upper front plate which is the only major difference

[terse beacon]

Tanks which also get penned relatively easily by prammo as well btw 👍 being able to block almost every standard round for the type of tank it plays like is a major asset

[terse cairn]

If spht gets 3400 hp then it would completely make maus meaningless. I would say it should just have 2650 hp something like IS 4

[muted rampart]

Sure, but then they do need to buff some other stuff on it, otherwise it will be junk

[terse cairn]

Yea probably the turret armor or mobility

[muted rampart]

Turret armor will be irrelevant regardless as long as that massive hatch is there. But removing the hatch may be too much of a buff on the other hand.

I'd probably give it like 2800-2900HP and a few gun buffs here and there

[terse cairn]

Yea the gun seems to be quite similar to E5 apart from the on move and aim time

[muted rampart]

And that's fine. It could have better gun and more HP in exchange for being slower and having way less armor

[rocky sentinel]

Is it really that massive? Also the tank can side scrap a little as well.

[muted rampart]

Yes it is. It's pretty much old E5 level hatch.

[rocky sentinel]

Just half the size, and 66% of the height.

[muted rampart]

That's not the case at all, but whatever you want to believe.

Anyway, it's still massive enough to be hit by anyone besides like 183 and penetrable with standard. You ain't getting any decent amount of bounces in that

[craggy grove]

It is crazy it has extra armor but is somehow 60 tonns lighter. Make it make sense.

[craggy grove]

Why are you using gun depression on SPHT but not on T95E6?

[merry pelican]

buff ammo capacity for t57 heavy please, the ammo waste so fast on fun mode

[rocky sentinel]

I had a brain fart.

I am happy that we are finally getting an American super heavy that can side scrap.

[craggy grove]

The gun looks pretty boring.

[rocky sentinel]

It’s literally a E5 gun with slightly less pen, so it’s nothing special but it’s still nice compared to a lot of super heavy’s which don’t have very accurate guns.

[dull mortar]

3k blocked yes

insane armor

[craggy grove]

That is what I said, yes, pretty boring. Does not mean it is bad by any means.

[obsidian socket]

Good day. Petition to increase the ammorack durability on the Biter as it gets blown by 400alpha guns frontally even with Protective Kit. Thanks

[marble willow]

https://tenor.com/view/buzzlight-year-gif-23473774

[olive yoke]

Will bz line ever get boosters like on pc?

[glad flower]

no

[olive yoke]

Bcuz of mobile or what

[muted rampart]

Because WG just doesn't want to add them. That's it

[brazen steeple]

please buff the jag back to its original pre-4-updates ago state

[slate talon]

if they are gonna add bz79, without boosters, r they gonna add a new ability

[olive yoke]

Thats sad ngl

[brazen moat]

Is bzt worse than 183 if it gets released in its current state?

[scarlet yarrow]

make the 116 F3 more accurate

[marble willow]

No

[vague fiber]

^

[vague fiber]

why would you

lol #maps-discussion has the best takes and #tank-balance-discussion has the worst

[balmy thicket]

I got skill issue with the s35 ca

[rocky birch]

chieftan just needs its hesh shell taken away so its actualy good

[hushed token]

Chief gun is very accurate in term of on-movement dispersion . It is just the bad aiming time that is holding its gun back . But that is the point , Chief MK 6 has 10 gun depression and strong turret allow it to aim in carefully before shooting . It is tank that rewards for carefully aim not reckless lazer shooting . Giving its combat stabilization would remove its bad aiming time downside and make it super holy lazer gun . It would not be like super OP yes but it would be like a tiger with the wings , imagine the chieftain just poke and immediately start HESH-ing your cupola at 150m , and you have no time to counter it since it does not need to carefully aim in , it just pokes, snap the shot then disappear . It is not OP just cringe

[marble willow]

Yeah the ability to snap or do a super fast peekaboo for the chieftain is quite toxic

[upper knot]

I took a look at photographs and the video below of one of the Chieftains at the Bovington Tank Museum. In real life the driver is located front and center. That's the same position as the driver's hatch on my chieftain and of the driver's module as shown in WotInspector.com.

Many tanks have the driver to the left or right in front, but it appears that Chieftains had theirs in the center. Blitz does too.
https://youtu.be/7bkWkatA6BE?si=AKqGFVnGpjYp6DQg

[twin egret]

buff the Lorraine 50 t's mobility accross all aspects, it's just too slow for what it is rn

[sick knoll]

I got hit on the top of the turret with my Kranvagn and it came from Chieftain you buffon.

[sick knoll]

lol, ragebait at that level ain't working.

<@&481447501690568709> isn't that an insult?

It's an entirely bad idea and that the gun can be pretty inaccurate is just bad luck.

It took you to type that like 3 minutes.

Whom u calling low IQ

[hushed token]

<@&481447501690568709> Ooo, Insult in this channel ?

[sick knoll]

lol, thx

[hushed token]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[unkempt quest]

Hmmm

If only we had logs to view deleted messages... Oh wait

[primal yacht]

✅ good_0198 was banned.

[worthy basin]

Exactly 😂😂

[sick knoll]

Xd

Bro was cooked at the moment when two Moderators started typing.

[terse cairn]

Or just give it a second gun option like 4202

[obsidian socket]

Good day. Petition to increase the ammorack durability on the Biter as it gets blown by 400alpha guns frontally even with Protective Kit. Thanks

[rocky birch]

that would work to

[cosmic creek]

They can improve the IS4 by giving it more damage and more armor

[magic mulch]

Is4’s armor isnt enough yet??🙏🏻💀

[sick knoll]

Ok who is this now?

[cosmic creek]

Xd

[sick knoll]

Is this the same guy that got banned today?

[magic mulch]

I think is4 is alrd a rlly balanced ht and its gud👍🏻 if they keep buffing balanced tanks wotb tier X room will become super chaotic🤣🤣🤣

[sick knoll]

They should balance the Chinese tech trees🥀

[magic mulch]

Poor wz-113🥀

[sick knoll]

They shouldn't have had buffed the Concept for no reason

[magic mulch]

Lol🤣

Wait, then why is bz75 so op💀

[sick knoll]

Every battle is a struggle, every shot is full of hopes, dreams and prayers.

[magic mulch]

Like someone always snap shooting using 183 🥷🏿

[sick knoll]

And yet you end up in despair

[rocky birch]

it is he just joined today and his account was made yesterday

[magic mulch]

Btw what do u guys think abt 130s?

ISU-130
ISU-130 PM

[sick knoll]

Any words brochacho?

[sick knoll]

<@&481447501690568709> check his IP just to be sure he isn't avoiding a ban

[magic mulch]

What did he do🥀

[sick knoll]

He called me a noob with low IQ

[rocky birch]

bruh

[sick knoll]

And then a ''dog noob'' and the B word

[magic mulch]

Bruh +1

[rocky birch]

but it is him he littery just made his account the day he was banned from here

[magic mulch]

Guys, i think they should buff panzer 58 and indian pz

-goofy ahh gun
-low dpm
-average mt armor and speed

Idk is there any point of playing in these tanks?

[sick knoll]

I'm now somehow confused by what you mean but just to be sure they should check the IP

[rocky birch]

they should

[magic mulch]

Oh mb🫠🙏🏻

[rocky birch]

he made his Discord account yesterday the same day the other guy got banned

[sick knoll]

Yesterday? Wait, where do u live?

[magic mulch]

Check the time buddy, its over 12 alrd so it counts different day

[rocky birch]

for me it was yesterday

[magic mulch]

😮where u live at?

[sick knoll]

I'm in Germany and it shows that he made his account the same day when the guy got banned

[magic mulch]

GERMANY?? Yoo its so cool for me bro

[sick knoll]

Wdym? Where do you live?

[lilac crest]

Please Tell me exactly what the reason they made tiger-maus 11 ton heavier than mäuschën and 60ton heavier than tiger maus pc version?....Please give a real reason. Not such a stupid conversation

[magic mulch]

Eh? I live in malaysia

[sick knoll]

Oh dayum

[magic mulch]

but im actually chinese🤣

[sick knoll]

Ok, that's now confusing but ok

[magic mulch]

Idk why everyone is confused when i say im chinese but live in malaysia, but im also malaysian🫠🤯

[hushed token]

I heard that Maylaysia and Singapore have a lot of Chinese people

[magic mulch]

Yes, it is, malaysia isnt just 100% malays, also included chinese, indian and more idk

but my 口音(accent )not like china one lah😅

[chilly token]

The descendants of Chinese merchants escaping turmoil in China centuries ago and settled elsewhere, bringing their culture with them, my maternal great grandfather was also from Fujian, China.

[vague fiber]

Whats better t57 heavy or 50b (give reasons too)

[chilly token]

T57 used to be better, not sure with the new 375 alpha, haven't played since the nerf

WG should add an autoloader gun for the char future 4, looks like an autoloader tank but no autoloader while tanks like the 116f3 got 1 out of the blue

[obtuse rover]

Yes

[strange reef]

WG, please give the Leopard 1 the equipment for more gun depression. Improved V Stabs, I think. Maybe swap it out for refined gun since its already so accurate?

[craggy grove]

It is because that was their way to solve 116 F3 underperforming while Char Futur seems to be doing fine

[craggy grove]

That is not how equipment works, the gun depression/better mobility goes instead optic/net slot, so leopard will not get it. Besides if it had gun depression it will be pretty toxic.

[strange reef]

Wargaming already said they were re working equipment for reforged, I see no reason they cant do that. And it still has no armor, so it wouldnt be that toxic. To balance it out, maybe remove like, 10 mm of mantlet armor?

its just incredibly unflexible, and pretty unrealistic. IRL the Leopard 1 has 9 degrees of gun depression

[craggy grove]

Might as well just give it a rebalance. Also "unrealistic", is a mute point, when we have some many paper designs and outright fictional tanks. It could stick in PC WoT, but definitely not here. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange reef]

Quite a few of the tanks have some basis in real life.

Most are just renamed or remodeled.

[languid lagoon]

yo wargaming can we get the T-28 in tier 4? i want to destroy the AC wedge

[strange reef]

its a collector. it exists

[craggy grove]

Yeah, but then we have stuff like VK 90.01, Type 5 Heavy, Type 71, ATAC, T92E1, etc...

[languid lagoon]

can it be a tech tree tank?

[craggy grove]

There are no more branching paths under tier V so probably not. Might be available in vintage collection in Reforger.

[strange reef]

Type 5 heavy has basis in history. it is based off the O-I project, which was researched all the way to the Type 4, with plans to build the type 5. None of those ever got built, but they were plans

[languid lagoon]

how do i download reforged on my phone

[craggy grove]

??? It is a project WG made up for the tech tree. It has no basis in real life. This is like saying E 79 existed in real life because E 75 was suggested as a concept.

[cinder shard]

Reforged will be an update for the regular Blitz in the future.
The Test-servers aren't open to the public right now and we don't know if/when the next test is taking place.

[languid lagoon]

dam

[strange reef]

it infact is not made up. picture of the type 4 heavy tank. The type 5 was planned to put into production, but never was. Type 71 was planned to be a larger STB-1

[craggy grove]

That is a bunker with a tank-like turret, not a Type 4...
Show me any documentation on a Type 71

[strange reef]

T92e1 was the testing bed for sheridan, more commonly known as the T92

[craggy grove]

It was not. Sheridan turret was tested on a T49 chassis. T92 hull was not used for that purpose.

[cinder shard]

Please do mind that this channel is about tank balance after all and not to discuss whether a tank existed or not. Please use #off-topic-discussion or #vehicles-discussion for that.

[craggy grove]

^^ this is the biggest arguement for the fact that the blitz balancing is not and should not be based entirely in real life, LOL.

[languid lagoon]

can we get the KV-85? it should be a tier 7 that is basically the KV-1S but with like 20 more damage avrage and a reload time of 10-12 seconds

[vague fiber]

bruh all basically all heavies can pen a vk90 turret

[languid lagoon]

yo supertesters

good turret? you gotta be thinking of the KV-4

oh than idk

[terse beacon]

Crazy thing called premium ammo

Clearly not. That says 303mm thick, atlas has 337 prammo pen

[vague fiber]

uhhhhh

[marble willow]

Ur using ap in that image

[remote pawn]

Uh no you simply just didnt switch Atlas' ammo type

[vague fiber]

CAP

[remote pawn]

Btw @cinder shard between WoTInspector and Blitzkit, which ones more trustworthy

[remote pawn]

He got muted 😭😭

[cinder shard]

In my eyes BlitzKit

Both are prettty good, but BlitzKit also has equipment, provisions, crew skill and is free

The only thing that its lacking would be internal modules

[remote pawn]

O right

[vague fiber]

Why

[remote pawn]

Idk, but what iv seen from him mostly is Complaints and Insults

[primal yacht]

✅ general_monkay was muted.

[marble willow]

[glad flower]

ggs @vague fiber

[solemn olive]

Feedback on WZ 132-1 Given this is the least played and lowest WR T10 light, why not give it frontal armor that is near impossible to pen. It still had the cuploa problem like all the t55 like vehicles, and LFP can be weak. Give it something like more module health and something like more wires off all the surfaces like the turret has. So that way it can negate some HE or Hesh. I was hearing they catch fire a lot. Which is unnescessary really, like the rest of the chinese tanks and German ones. They removed this on PC so very long ago.
German tanks had transmissions up front and they are in the very center. No fuel tanks like the russian tanks or ammo like the brits.

[terse cairn]

Frontal armor that is near impossible to pen on a light tank?

[solemn olive]

Yeah something you at least have to aim for weak spots. You can just shoot anywhere now. It works fine for the T-100LT

It just needs something to stand out as a light. I see now that the lt100t isn't as strong like on PC

[terse cairn]

The whole point of a light tank is that you sacrifice the armor for the mobility to spot enemies

[solemn olive]

Which is pretty much pointless in this game. They are damage dealers in this game. That is how they are judged as well. Guess it is 180 on PC for the 100LT looks to be about 120 in blitz

I still have a lot to learn, but just thinking of a reason why I might want to grind out that chinese light tank. Especially over the wz120 or something, you control vision so much better.

[remote pawn]

What about TDs?

Heavies i assume frontline?

Maybe except for 50 b

[terse cairn]

What about heaviums like E6, gsor, strv?

Yes

[remote pawn]

Those are more focussed on dpm iirc, maybe a mix between dmg dealer and tanking dmg?

[terse cairn]

Yes bro

Yea most lts in blitz has decent firepower

[remote pawn]

Thank god i grinded for batchat

[solemn olive]

You are not helping. I was trying to give an idea to help that line look apealing. They are fine giving obj 140 extra gun depression. Its an arcade game

[terse cairn]

I think they should just give it a bit of gun depression. Armor is not required on a lt.

[solemn olive]

Damage dealers as in they are quick mediums. The role of light tanks at the end of the game is how much damage they did. Not that they would be better than mediums. But look at marks, can you get that with assist damage solely

[sick knoll]

Guys, I don't know why the Bat chat isn't clicking for me, like it's ok but I somehow can't bring it to full potential it doesn't click for me.

[nimble zodiac]

Light tanks claimed the damage-dealer role, but you'd rather buff the armor to be better than a heavy?

[solemn olive]

You didn't read my points? Because those statements are way too general.

[remote oriole]

Aiming for weakspots on fast tanks is near impossible, especially since you only have that one shot you usually need to connect. I think this is a really bad idea

[solemn olive]

Essentially my point was something that can be done is to make the 132-1 line unique and desired is to give it an armor buff, one that makes people have to use weak spots frontally. Or at least the turret. It isn't going to be fighting you frontally that much I mean usually you see its sides or rear when it is firing. They have no carry potential. Need to find it at least some, as it looks like a mini t-54, it has all those metal wires around the turret, it looks strong but it isn't.

[solemn olive]

If it is moving really fast you don't have to aim for weakspots because it is side on.

[remote oriole]

I think not every tank needs to be universally admirable.

The tank is built on using vision mechanics, which are both difficult to effectively use on the confined maps and also only not that influential on the entire game. Which explains the low effectiveness, but at the same time I think it‘s good there is a tank that caters to that specific playstyle should you want it

[solemn olive]

The vickers has a nice mantlet. You could say the same about the sheri turret, that is a problem.

[remote oriole]

Only the Vickers has a good mantlet and that‘s because it’s a medium light hybrid

I mean you could give the WZ-132-1 armour but it would need to be significantly slower to balance it

Otherwise we get yet another LTTB, Object 84 or T-100 LT yolometa

[solemn olive]

I am pretty good in lights on PC. This game just doesn't compare in use case. I been watching a lot trying to learn more about how to play lights, and considering what lines to grind and such. I am almost at the t49, I cna buy the 1375, the SP1C, and I am just looking at reason to grind the wz line and much like PC there just isn't any reason to. That doesn't mean I didn't grind it out because I like the Type 62 and the lower tiered one. So was just spitballing ideas at how to make it more appealing. I can't really see any other way.
Lights are obsolete in todays meta. They are forced into a medium roll and expected to perform it while having no armor.
ANd no you cannot carry with vision in this game because once you shoot you are known exactly where you are at. The maps are way too small and the double bushes are mainly the TD perches.
It is hard enough to carry in mediums if you are down HP because of the same issue.
I will keep working at it and studying, just thought I would pitch in an idea to devs, not argue with players. I don't mind defending my point and try to think of solutions but it s more opinion at this point.

We know why the sheridan is played, because it has a 152. If it wasn't for that it would probably be the least because the thing is huge and should have the worst camo ratings.

[queen geyser]

WZ 132 1 is pretty good rn, I dont see the issue personally

[remote oriole]

That problem is not exclusive to light, both lights and mediums are obsolete in the meta. WG made a conscious decision to elevate tanks that are easier to play for new players

[solemn olive]

Yeah it is pretty good but no one is playing it hardly and it has the worst win rate besides the batchat ofc. That was the issue I was discussing. It is a big ask to get any of these tanks to be played.

After looking at it, apparently it is jsut that it was spaced. I am glad I looked into it. But it looked red when I saw it hulldown. Not often you see one hulldown though either lol

[queen geyser]

I dont like to fully trust the data, a tank which is hard to play also usually has worse stats and WZ is not the most beginner friendly light

[obsidian socket]

Good day. Petition to increase the ammorack durability on the Biter as it gets blown by 400alpha guns frontally even with Protective Kit. Thanks

[austere trout]

New rebalans for Fv215b (183):
Gun spread: -0.050m
Gun reload: 19.9s -> 16.1s
Punching the cannon: HESH -20mm, Armor-piercing -30mm
Engine power: -50h.p.

[merry pelican]

or just changing the tank with fv205b alligator

[primal mauve]

I haven't even ammoracked Biter on my Chimera nor 122TM both of these 2 tanks have high module damage to blow up Biter.

[obsidian socket]

you need to aim left side of the hull(right side from the front)

[primal mauve]

tried that too,only ammorack crit 🙏

[waxen geode]

Best tanks for ramming? Im just 200 points away.

[slate talon]

They really need to buff the proejct louis

[narrow fractal]

any news about the rebalance that will come for heavy tanks and autoloaders?

[sick knoll]

Who designed Sheridan?
I was just send back to the lobby with only one shot hitting the target and the other two shots hit a building even tho I was fully aimed, the worst part about this is that the shots landed on the exact same place🥀

[barren goblet]

People here will tell you its amazing and OP. Server stats will tell you its among lest played tier 10. Low hp and no armor on small maps means limited effectiveness that requires high skill to do well in.

[lime spruce]

even with a 152mm gun aswell, it has a low average for it at around 575 alpha (off memory), though even with 90 pen with HE, it barely makes up for dispersion, penetration, and reload. It has sub-par armour against HE due to hull being spaced, but one hit on the turret is good enough for most 130-183mm cannons.
also it doesn't excuse the player that play it to stay back and snipe or YOLO, as a previous sheri user myself.

[remote oriole]

Sheridan is among the least played tier ten tanks according to server stats?

I‘d like to see those server stats because the stats I‘m looking at rank it in the top 5 of most battles played and top 20 of most unique players

[barren goblet]

Correct on YOLO or camp behind TD part, sheridan teammate is usually useless.

[sick knoll]

Now I remember why I hated WG so much.

[lime spruce]

The thing is, even for more adaptive players like me, Sheridan requires heavy skill and assistance from teammates to do something. I'd say it's best as support to disable the enemy then run to reload, or harass camping TD's.

[remote oriole]

Sheridan is a tank that‘s mostly meant to be fun, not competitive

[lime spruce]

true.

anything else yall wanna talk about for tanks. cuz 114 sp2 needs a small armour buff in my opinion.

[wicked quest]

Sub par armor? The Sheridan is HE proof among its rear and sides and can only be penned in a small place in the lowerplate

[waxen geode]

What version of the Patton is the Herdbreaker? Why is it so big.

[marble willow]

570*

[lime spruce]

turret. I mentioned sub par cause spaced hull, plus shoot under at around track or under the big extension on rear.
turret barely has armoud against HE

[warped geyser]

Helo

Nik Ukrain_09

[marble willow]

Doesnt change the fact that its a small target and angled. If theyre moving good luck reliably penning an HE

[languid lagoon]

can yall please upgrade the tier 7 SDP TD there is no reason it should only have 1200 hp and about the same armor as the tier 6 one and less damage

[muted rampart]

It's the T6 one that is far too strong, not the T7 one that is too weak.

[latent copper]

why is the mbt b so buns on the dpm

[languid lagoon]

i literally just said that

[languid lagoon]

how is the tier 7 not weak

[muted rampart]

It's not. It's pretty average for a T7 TD. Play pretty much any other T7 TD and you will have similar experience

[languid lagoon]

yeah pretty much anything from tier 7 sucks

like im in tier 6s wiping out tier 7s all the time

[vague fiber]

smasher:
Anni:
forest witch:
tiger;
t29:
the list goes on and on and on...

[barren goblet]

Tier 7 problem is there is like 5-6 tanks so OP that it makes everything else seems mid or terrible. Lot of tier 7 are fine , but when every match has 2 smasher/forest/anni in each team, it sucks playing inferior tanks.

[languid lagoon]

bad things from tier 7
ac 07
su100m1
sdp tier 7
black prince
leo
theres more……

[languid lagoon]

2 of them aren’t even real

[languid lagoon]

tiger 1 is mid

[heady laurel]

part of the reduction of my gameplay of role of tanks, blitz revolves around changes and screens. They go out of orientation and do not register any surface contacts. Today when I try to login, I received the same offering that never would properly orient on my screen and allow me to advance to the garage.

What is going on?

[muted rampart]

What? That's arguably the strongest T7 tech tree tank in the game.

It's ridiculously strong. It doesn't fall behind smasher and anni all that much

[vague fiber]

Black prince is one of the best tier 7s idk what ur on
Rebelled is decent and Leo is soooo fun

[vague fiber]

What are you on bruh get a feel on the game before making opionins

[upper knot]

If you haven't already, try rebooting your device.

Other than that, contact support.

[primal yacht]

@heady laurel, you can reach out to the support using the following link: https://wargaming.net/support/en/products/wotb/help/

[sick knoll]

They're literally the same looking WG, the WZ-111 5A fits way more to the tech tree than the WZ-113, I think they should switch it up.

[warped sable]

the t49 should honestly have the t92’s 105 mm before the 151 so we can have the option to deal higher damage while being relatively accurate

i mean, who cares about accuracy anymore right

[sick knoll]

Whoever gave those stats on the Sheridan is an absolute joke, like how am I supposed to Aim with that accuracy and plus the horrible penetration, the gun is a catastrophe.

[cinder shard]

It's more of a hit-and-run kind of tank. The DPM and standard pen aren't amazing, but it has high single-shot damage and high HEAT pen. I'd recommend taking calibrated shells to improve the pen a bit because you're the tank that controls when to engage.

[tame zephyr]

WG:

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[terse cairn]

Bro Sheridan has the highest penetration for a mt/lt. Also you can out trade every singleshot medium/ light with the 570 alpha

[sick knoll]

It's still a pain with the accuracy.

[terse cairn]

It has got decent hull movement dispersion

[obtuse rover]

it’s strong

[lilac crest]

Buff tiger maus shall we? Mäuschën even better than this fata$$

[oak ember]

Why is type 5 heavy such a easy ammo rekt Target

[tranquil willow]

Since we can't ping the staff directly because of a stupid rule perhaps one of the mods can get them to explain why the decided to move several tanks into different tiers like the Tornvagn, Skoda T 27 and Kpz 70. I demand an answer because those tanks were just fine where they were.

[glad flower]

Go demand what you want, you wont get an answer

[tranquil willow]

I beg to differ.

[nimble zodiac]

Kpz 70 was probably moved up since it was a quite modernized tank, and moving it to tier 10 would mean that the Kpz Missile wouldn’t have to exist in tier 9

[fallen mist]

Plus, some of the vehicles were tier 9s on PC, so it’s not that big a deal, hell, Tornvagn is more at home in tier 9 than in tier 8

[signal jewel]

It takes skill to get consistent high damage out of it. You have to trade and not brawl. Also, aiming carefully is a good skill to cultivate in general.

[signal jewel]

You have no idea what you're talking about. The T. Maus has so much more potential than the Mauschen it's not even funny. I'm a competent player in both tanks, but the Tiger Maus has significantly better armor, and significantly better DPM, and those two factors are huge.

If you struggle in the T. Maus, it's a skill issue and not a tank issue. For general positioning rules, you want to take close range fights, go brawl the enemy heavies. Pick spots where you can sidescrape.

Like the Maus, the T. Maus can severely overangle the hull as well as the turret. The spaced sides are troll.

[lilac crest]

Yeah sidescrape but still got pen through my turret u think they care about my hull? Not at all. u know i play T.Maus the same way i play the maus not like the mäuschën

[signal jewel]

Are you angling the turret? Properly angled, the turret is 280 mils. Pretty much everyone needs pramo.

And that's exactly what you want. You want them to shoot pramo while you're shooting standard with your high DPM. You win against any equal tier or lower heavy with ease, and a lot of T10s if played well.

[lilac crest]

I got pen on side turret near the cheek by tier 8 when i angle even shake myself what do u think

Just give him more traverse speed that what i want. 19-21 deg is so worst it's like a titanic when it's try to avoid the iceberg 1 turn left or right can make u become immovable target for enemy once they spot u

For me overall armor and gun is great but traverse is the worst thing of this tank

[signal jewel]

This is what you look like to 260 mm of AP pen when you angle correctly.

[lilac crest]

Bro they pen my cheek when i do that so i have to angle my turret too

[signal jewel]

Not with standard they don't. Not when properly angled. If you're getting penned in the turret with standard by anything but TDs and higher tier heavies, it means you're angling wrong.

[lilac crest]

Wait....i think i have my oldest trick of maus line that i doesn't use for long

[signal jewel]

If you get caught in a crossfire, yes, they will pen you.

[lilac crest]

What if i just angle my turret on this way instead i remember some og player they play maus like this

Turn the Turret out of the building or cover instead of hide them

[signal jewel]

That works the same way. Situationally, it's better, as you can spot enemies from the spotting node on the gun mantlet.

Other times, it's worse, depending on how the enemies are positioned, and what kind of cover you're working.

[remote oriole]

This is useful if you also turn outwards while sidescraping (which I tend to do in order to clear the cover with my gun as I tend to angle more steeply than I strictly need while in a sidescrape)

[lilac crest]

Yep sometime turn turret inward can make Ur enemy focus on ur cheek so once ur already load and try to shot them they just shot u in the cheek before ur gun is about to aim at them

[signal jewel]

Blitzkit is an awesome tool to find out how the armor actually works for a tank!