Staying behind the tanks and keeping group speed up.
#td2-hardcore-mode-chat
nova furnace
stray quail
the fun i have in hardcore is to see others die before me and see how far i can go without death. i giggle when seeing funny death moments.
they curse when they die
in voice chat. it's funny
to your message. there is no tanks or agro management in the game though. you will get shot indescrimatively if you are out of cover.
nova furnace
That wouldn't end if they gave us a HC stash though.
They target the closest person most of the time.
stray quail
i am wishing for additional character space actually
not when you shoot back
if you shoot back, they'll switch to you
the whole AI targeting thing is a mystery even to this day, but no proper agro system
quaint glen
@nova furnace each character uses storage and memory in data centres. That they have, in regular mode, a shared stash - is 1 dataset shared between all 4 characters spaces.. giving HC access to their own, separate stash .. increases the overall usage requirements and requires more changes under the hood (stuff we don't get to see or interact with thats part of the core of the game).
nova furnace
@quaint glen Sort of guessed, but some way of transferring progress and making it quick to get back to WT5 is still needed for the mode to thrive and be popular. Because as I've repeatedly stated, you won't have people pushing themselves to the limit or any significant level of build variety for as long as the HC mode remains as punishing as it is.
And it might be a little hard, but it shouldn't be impossible to implement a second stash for HC.
quaint glen
the thing is, the HC mode is not meant to be a quick bonus to get to WT5 .. because that is the opposite of the point of it.
nova furnace
Not really, even if the current time to reach WT5 was halved people would still play a lot more carefully than they do in SC.
They'd still pick different builds as well.
The popular HC modes in other games are designed around the ability to quickly get back in to the game, no reason this one shouldn't be as well. Unless we all want it to be unpopular.
As far as I'm concerned at least, HC is about making people play in a more serious way, about having them pay more attention and seeing choices matter more.
That doesn't have to go as far as deleting all progress on every single death.
And a lot of people I've been playing with in HC and SC seem to share that sentiment, they like the HC idea because it means you won't have people rushing ahead like madmen all the time not caring whether they live or die.
But that shouldn't mean that we should accept a total lack of build variety and progress, that doesn't mean that people should always stick to the completely safe choice.
fathom bluff
I understand that some ppl might feel more comfortable playing a tanky build so they are less likely to die. But you shouldn’t assume that everyone plays that way. Most of my crew is still playing glass cannon and we have played all the content the division has to offer. HC is definitely not for everyone but it IS extremely fun. Playing yolo style knowing at any second you can die gives you an adrenaline rush that you don’t get from normal mode.
mortal dawn
All about them glass cannon builds 💪
errant locust
^^^ Exactly, as Bdericks said, everyone has a different playstyle. I for one enjoyed it going full force mostly, the rush being naded and the only way away from it is in the direction of a suicide bomber lol Can you get away from the nades and kill the suicide bomber fast enough or is this it? Fun as hell. Also gives you a different perspective once you play normal again, cause why park the char in safety if you leave for a bit or playing it safe in SC etc, it's not HC, so who cares.
And Unbreakable/Tank is def not the only way to go in HC. Sure, survivability is better, but with a DPS build you kill NPCs fast enough so they can't get you to start with. Being a sitting duck in cover all the time just makes you a great target, so not always the best decision.
stable fossil
I wonder how many players are playing the hardcore mode because It is very rare to find a group gs 500
frank flame
Hello everyone. After playing The Division 1 and Hardcore mode on D2 I think of no other thing closer to hardcore than Survival mode. Many have stated their concerns about having to do all the main mission again and over again, and I strongly agree. Permadeath is not the only mechanics in Hardcore games, or at least, not in the division 2. To me, Survival mode is the perfect example of a good start for a Hardcore playthrough. It already has permadeath and no long story mission. You must level up your character from zero and must of all fight the cold. If we think more about it, survival already has two modes; pve and pvp. It suits hardcore players and casuals alike. If I had the chance to work on a hardcore mode in The Division, I think survival would b my obvious point of reference. I strongly believe Devs need to think a little deeper about what they want for the future of their game.
fathom bluff
@errant locust I always say that DPS is a form of tank 🙂
hollow salmon
Best Defense is a fantastic offense!
lunar tapir
I think perma-death in a game where investing more time makes such an enormous difference in your experience is overall bad and I think it's going to keep this mode's population very low.
I think possibly a better idea is add a section to the White House, an ICU/infirmary for our hardcore characters and when you die, your character is unplayable for 1-2 weeks while the character recovers.
Perhaps on our normal characters, we can farm mats to aid, or hasten the hardcore characters recovery time.
As much as I love this game, it has it's fair share of bugs and since RNG is part of everything down to it's core. So many time I have been killed because the AI does something ridiculous and have zero recourse. Hell, you can't even reliably throw your seekers without a high chance of them killing your character because fuck you, the Division fields shitty, dangerous tech (I think not). This was a stupid change. It didn't happen in the first game.
stray quail
i always find that logic flawed...
"good Defense is a better Offense"
If you kill them before they get to attack back, you already succeeded in defending your life by eliminating threats.
If you keep turtling behind something and never fighting back, where the hell is your "excellent offense"? you basically are biding time and giving your enemy an infinitely amount of ways to eventually and possibly, wipe you.
Therefore, I prefer...
"A great offense is the perfect defence"
frank flame
I mean, that sounds kinda like the SHD’s motto.
But more on the lines of, if there’s extreme evil, there’s always a extreme cure to it.
stray quail
Unstoppable Force vs. Impenetrable Fort dilemma
You may be impenetrable, but give it 10000 years, eventually Unstopapble Force will find something. Time changes everything. You are giving them all the time in the world to find ways to beat you if you never take action.
I'd say, less defence, and fight back in tactical ways.
the worst thing in this game is to get swarmed, pincered, shot in the back by NPCs coming in at you with number.
even a red hp enemy with smg can instant melt you if they are in your face for 2 seconds. never let enemies number overwhelm you.
Don't give them that chance. fight back with offensive mayhem.
unreal gate
@nova furnace I agree with @stray quail on this one, except for the requirement of Perfectly Unbreakable to stay alive in hardcore mode. I too suffered a death due to a game bug that couldn't be helped. I knew the chances going in when I started playing HC mode. It's a risk you accept, and for me it's part of the thrill when playing. Myself and the others I play with are all about to hit WT5, I don't have the aforementioned gear talent. Each team member has their own play style and build preference, and we make it work. We just work well as a team, and we make sure to coordinate with each other, take it slow, and watch out for each other. If anything, teams get better at being actual teams (working together). I prefer this to the standard gear competitions and run and gun to see who had the most kills at the end of a mission. You want your squad to survive so you can help each other through it. I personally love this mode; and while the bugs are annoying, the current HC mode was released as beta. The best way to help the devs is to report these bugs as you encounter them. This is part of the normal "game testing" process. At first I was hesitant and bratty about the lack of storage, but there are ways around this if you read through previous posts. Just like in real life, when you are deprived of resources you get better at being resourceful and using what you have until you find something better. Use the tools you have available in this mode to your advantage. This provides a near endless supply of loot, resources, and builds. With this, what is the need to horde an additional 300 pieces of gear? This mode is about survival of the fittest, fighting, clawing, and scratching your way to stay alive..not expecting a business to rework part of a game to suit your needs to make it easier. This is unreasonable IMHO. An easy button would cheapen it for those that have worked hard to achieve the accommodations.
My only real question with HC mode is what's left to do w/ the character after the achievements? Does it just remain some character-in-stasis trophy? haha 😄
nova furnace
@unreal gate You're assuming the bugs can all be removed though, but I've never seen any online game where you couldn't die to a disconnect at the wrong time. Or where all bugs which could get you stuck or unable to attack were removed. Cheap deaths are ALWAYS going to be a possibility. Especially in Division 2 where we are unlikely to see the bugs get weeded out. And as such the mode has to be designed around regular deaths.
You're also talking about it as if it's just an achievement mode.
And for the achievements sake, the current system is fine.
But for those of us who would want it as an actual long term playable mode.
Where we aim to do all content in HC, including heroics and raids.
It's not a good system.
It simply isn't a system which will be able to thrive and maintain a large playerbase.
Or which will be able to offer good build diversity over time.
HC also makes for generally slower gameplay and reduced experience gains, so you're also at a disadvantage for stuff such as cosmetic crates.
lunar tapir
Sounds like we're all headed towards the idea that a HC mode in a game with this many bugs is going to be a bad time for everyone
sometimes you just get bad luck also, grenade spam, drone spam, x4 in a row and all of it ignores cover
and they hit you over and over before you can recover
stray quail
you forgot the audio bugged ninja suicide bombers.
nova furnace
@lunar tapir Yeah, but every HC game has those same things pretty much. Which is why they design the games around deaths happening, not complete avoidance years on end.
lunar tapir
Perhaps. I have a good idea on how to handle Division's version of HC mode and make it their own and keep ppl playing both HC and NHC
unreal gate
@nova furnace I'm not assuming bugs can be patched at all. I stated that by playing this mode, you assume the risks associated. Also, I haven't had the same experiences you are mentioning (inability to play raids, heroics, less XP). There are many people doing heroics and raids already in HC mode, and playing the harder difficulties in groups gets plenty of XP. I was able to finish the Silent Night event with plenty of time to spare, in addition to gaining lots of standard apparel keys (which I saved and opened on my HC character knowing they'd likely all be duplicates and I'd get extra XP). I have been playing in a group though, so maybe this is the difference in my experience with HC mode vs. your own.
frank flame
Is hardcore mode as bad as having your mom be your substitute teacher in middle school, because if it is that bad, I don't think I'm hardcore. It's extra rough if she goes onto teach at your university and points out you're her child, in front of everyone. I can't say which is worse, but I call that not-so-fun and hardcore sounds like more fun.
Not gonna lie, that made sense only to people that had their mom be a substitute teacher, or their professor. But she bought me nice socks for x-mas, so there's that.
She also gave me a C in English....
dapper current
friendly reminder that you instantly suicide when going to the BoO shooting range, lowering your health as much as you can and then swap any gear
nova furnace
@frank flame Hardcore in it's current state is basically an achievement mode as well as an opportunity to try some high-survival builds which wouldn't make sense to play in the regular game. If you're playing it with some friends to have some laughs you're going to have a good time. But it isn't well enough thought out that it would make sense to play it on a permanent basis.
stray quail
A C in English? man your mom's gonna kill you...oh wait...
frank flame
to call no respawn a new game mod is a cheek!
rough solar
bad
fathom bluff
I'm personally enjoying it
I do have to say that I feel really bad for clanmate of mine. We were sitting at a checkpoint (no NPCs); he d/c. We waited a few minutes, he didn't reconnect. So we proceeded with the mission. A few minutes later after we finished the mission, he reconnected to the game and his character was dead. He was never in combat; I have heard a few others have problems like this
quaint glen
@frank flame it's not a game mode, it's a character mode beta
errant locust
Ouch, sorry to hear @fathom bluff Hm, might be an idea to kick people if they don't reconnect in time, this should usually send them to a safe location right after the kick.
fathom bluff
yeah I did; when he logged back in, his character was dead. Kind of silly 😦
frank flame
Happy New Year 🙂
I have a Question, exist in division 2 Survival Mode ?
primal sage
@frank flame No Survival Mode, currently no plans to implement it
lunar tapir
no current plans to implement it as it was in Division 1*
hard sun
There is no need to be overly pedantic about people calling it a "game mode" when the ubisoft survey referred to it as a Game Mode anyway.
stone whale
I personally would like to see more commendations about hardcore. Loot drops should be better and we should be able to have shared stash there, because if we can farm gear from dz in our primary characters, materials and crafting parts are shared, we can use talents and stats in stash for recalibration, there really is no reason for it.
sharp vault
I'm on the other side of the coin in a way. I do think there should be a shared HC stash sharable between HC side. But nothing from the SC side should be shared in between them. SC gear and other resources would just cheapen the reasoning behind HC. The other points I'm neutral about.
stone whale
That I agree, that nothing should be shared. That was my problem, that majority of things where but just stash itself wasn't
fathom bluff
I have a suggestion for HC: can you please make an independent stash where we can put our gear. Only having 100 storage space is just not enough
earnest heath
and what? lose that when your char dies? what's the point then? (i'm not salty, really, i just think that if the current state of the so called "mode" will remain the same you won't need more then 100 slots. i can keep 10 builds on my main with 75 slots ish, and i'm sure you do too... so why do you want more slots? )
frank flame
It would be nice to have a separate stash shareable between HC characters - so even when you die you loose only items you're carrying but not the ones in stash. And if you have 3 HC characters you could share stuff between them.
tardy raft
thats the point u lose everything by playing on hc
fathom bluff
my HC already has all my same builds as my main now; I need more space lol
true nest
Hi agents!
A cosmetic suggestion: Should drop a backpack trophy with the HC symbol or a patch
slow jolt
It think we should have an option to skip at least story mode in HC... maybe even jump world tiers out of the character creation.
waxen bison
I did try hardcore today, just lv 6 sofar
- I got lv 2 gloves With 0.0% health
- I meet the Thief who gave me "The Sleigher - LV 30" which I cant use
fathom bluff
using "The Sleighter" when you first hit lvl 30 is a quick way to die
frank flame
Why make it when I go down and there’s someone in the group why not force them to stay until their out of combat?!?!?!?
spark glacier
@waxen bison it'll be 251 once you pass lvl30 and will be near useless when you're above lvl300
tardy raft
rip gs500 but wasnt my fault
i dont understand i get disconnected after i connect back i was lay on ground rip GS500 char before that happends i was shooting at enemy i guess after i crash my character wasnt out of server and makes me count as im dead
frank flame
Oi UBI make it where when your in combat and someone’s down they can’t leave
left fern
that happened to me once, but i attempted to log back in again, and i was alive. i think they do a check to see if there was an error
it was a game crash though, not a connection issue
stone pelican
this was sad... my hardcore character level 16 bugged out and clipped through the map and died...
distant forge
😦 where did it happen?
My second character (Lvl2) died 10 mins in, on Grand Washington Hotel. I cleared the first room and ran through some toxic cloud which one shot me, very stupid. 😂
frank flame
I died from a GS500 joining me and on my 3rd character I beat the he sh*t out of him in the dz
primal coral
i feel like Hardcore should by default have much more challenging Hunters (Hunters that arent like the ones in Normal mode) in every aspect of the game mode to make it more challenging. Just something simple to give it that bit more challenging push. That or something that implements the Hunters into the base game story a bit more.
I like an actual challenge, not the half challenge that hardcore currently is. Something other than the possible lose of loot and a character to keep me on edge.
tardy raft
i think they are i kill all 8 but is risky cause hunter can finish u if he gets u down
primal coral
i mean Hunters that Roam the open world, not the normal ones, ones that spawn at lvl 4 control points, Heroic missions, actual Roaming hunters
digital quail
hey,i need some help. i dont understand what im doing wrong here. igo into the darkzone and go to even just normal landmarks which are barely manageable. i dont understand why but the enemies just melt me. the actual landmark areas are terrible,,with little to no cover considering enemies can just come from the sides,throw grenades etc. i die over and over and over again and i dont understand why. i am also world tier 2 and im not going to an occupied darkzone. someone please help me because it is frustrating me to noend and i am considering quitting the game as it is over this games overpowered AI
fathom bluff
if you're dying over and over, then you shouldn't be playing hardcore...
you can do matchmaking on normal mode for DZ
primal coral
for real tho
hollow zenith
@primal coral I'd love to see roaming hunters in the game it would make the game more interesting
primal coral
right?!
that or you randomly run into one that chases you around that you almost cant kill but itll chase you aggressively until you do, that'd be pretty cool
frank flame
Why not exist in division 2 Survival Mode ? ....
I only buy this game only because Survival Mode, how by Division 1.
timid plover
Lol.
tardy raft
@frank flame division is not f* battleroyal shit sorry
molten wave
Would love to see some apparel get unlocked as the player leaves up and goes through the tiers similar to have the underground and conflict give apparel as you level.
worthy lava
I've been playing Hardcore and I'm on my 3rd agent. this agent is GS500 with out going on a main and farming DZ, I believe in 100% grinding, i have about 100hours on him and did not a sprint to max level. I have been spending my time helping the few other HC Agents level and gear up. There are a few annoyances like all the tooltips and tutorials that pop up. The few accommodations are nice but i really wish there were more to get. Its a feat to get just to level 30 without getting swarmed or caught off guard and killed. I would like to see some exclusives cosmetics that aren't handed out at level 2. I would like to see some exotics for HC that are exclusive drops, if your gonna have a YOLO mode give some gear that's worth the grind and risk. Now i actually enjoy the 100 item limit it creates build diversity in and out fireteam and slots us into roles because we cant have 7 loadouts. This mode also forces some stats like hazard protection to be looked at in builds. I do wish with the grind that the stash could be used to mail items to our main characters but not back, it should be HC->Main only. That way it would award people with said exclusive exotics or good god rolled gear, And with the Death and Rebirth of HC Agents it wouldn't feel like a waste of time. I feel a drop mag should be implemented if i reload in the middle of a mag i should loose those rounds. We have had some issues where a DELTA will happen and someone's character gets killed before they log out that's no fun, it really puts a sour taste in your mouth. My first character died because i got to rowdy and got surrounded and the second time was on Potomac event center and i got hit from a lawn mower and the operator shot my hive. I have seen agents DELTA in the middle of a firefight and the squad would try and save them why they frantically reset but we also don't wanna die also. I really enjoy Division 2 cant wait to see what's new in year 2.
fluid jewel
Plus and deltas of hardcore:
- great adrenaline game. - no incentives when it comes to the loot. - too long of a game if we compare to survival mode and it is inevitable not to compare it to survival. - need to have hunters in it or something extra to motivate other players to join the game mode. - it should allow 5 to 10 mins to see if another player can pick you up and continue de game mode. Similar to survival from TD1. - need to have something special for hard accomplishments. Like the raid in normal or legendary mode.
The game is amazing, but missing that extra ingredient to make it the best mode of sudden death ever played.
thorny pumice
hey guys someone know if cassie appears in hardcore mode ?
fathom bluff
Wait only 6 raids were completed?! I did half of those....
earnest heath
yes @thorny pumice she does
molten wave
@thorny pumice yes she shows up
tardy raft
@fathom bluff in first week
fathom bluff
curious how many have been completed now
maybe a separate leaderboard should be implemented
worthy lava
YES NEED HC Leaderboards, i feel mission clear times and raid times would be a bigger accomplishment for this mode and hopefully they separate time based on difficulty.
tardy raft
i done heroic mission in hc video is on YT dont find anyone for raid so im still not done yet
frank flame
Yeah same here, can't find anyone for HC raid :(
Most of my friends are waiting for next raid to be released.
unreal gate
i've been working on getting a group together for raid
we have 8, but most likely will have someone drop at some point
stray quail
more like die at some point
unreal gate
that is inevitable
copper orchid
fkin DELTA03. jsut happy i didnt not play hardcore. anymore. MAssive shall rename themselves to massive (insert appropriate insult). seriously. 1 year and still same issues as day1 of predecessor
round rover
ahs anyone who has played HC done so on a New acct where your first char is HC Mode? If so just curious if you noticed if the olive weapon caches that normally provide 2 items (and a gear skin if you have not collected them all yet) is only providing 1 item and is not giving gear skin?
cursive token
anyone wants to start fresh HC char now? And level up together?
unreal gate
nice! well done
spark glacier
I am thinking of joining the HC group. I have 3 normal profiles and planing on starting the 4th as HC. I'll be looking to partner up once I get going
primal sage
@spark glacier You can try to find people to play with in #lfg-hardcore-mode once you decide to start a HC run
spark glacier
thanks for the reference, I'll keep a look out for it, I'm planing on starting the profile this week I usually play between 9pm-12am EST.
errant locust
@primal sage Where is the HC lfg located? Can't find it in the list and nothing happens when I click your link. Got the xbox role.
primal sage
Hmmm, weird... Scroll down, it should be under "Operation Dark Hours", the last channel in there
errant locust
Thanks. Nope, not there, there's only raid lfg and raid discussions, weird.
quaint glen
@errant locust thanks for that, we'll raise that with the CM team
errant locust
Played a bit with my roles now, seems it only shows when I select the pc role.
quaint glen
yeah, because we have a higher role .. we see it no matter what..
unreal gate
@distant forge currently working on prep for raid in HC. Any pointers?
distant forge
@unreal gate Practice older tactics such as 4 phase boomer, 4 phase Razorback (front first then back), make sure you have gas switches for weasel managed properly. For Buddy/Lucy test if you have enough damage to take them in the center, balance health, or if you need to agro and separate them. We did only two practice runs before the HC run, used gear as similar as possible to what we had on hardcore, less damage and more survivabilty of course. Run at least 2/3 aces players to boost damage. Otherwise just make sure everyone is calm and communicates and help people each other with builds.
Here is a recording from our clan leaders perspective, he was running perfect unbreakable, hazard immune, large amount of explosive and elite damage reduction. As you will see we are all just joking around and keeping up banter like any normal run, while our palms are sweating 😅. https://youtu.be/DucLehh6Moo
errant locust
Chris & team: Maybe implement something to speed up the farming for specialization points in HC mode. In the long run it seems to be the most annoying thing to farm again each time, esp if you prefer 1 specialization and need a different one for the raid or skill build.
Speaking of which, do we get spec points from DZ caches?
frank flame
Here’s a bug with HC
Right before you die if you eject the disc you can keep your HC character. If it tells you to delete your character press ⭕️ on PS4 and you can load back in
tardy fiber
i think you would write about this bug tk support, but not in this chat 😅
quick mango
okay, something happened. My Computer just had a really bad performance drop mid fight and....
But, aside of it: Maybe Hardcore mode could have survival elements
Like eating, drinking and you should be forced to perform periodical maintenance on your abilities and take medicine after going out of the dark zone
and maybe something else to do. I mean, HC doesn't really feel that hardcore really
like, for me, it felt like the normal game even with the permadeath
unreal gate
@quick mango I would not like to have to maintain all of that in HC..
quick mango
@unreal gate then maybe you're cut for HC...just maybe
unreal gate
@quick mango sorry, not understanding.. I have 2 HC characters at WT 5, doing raid soon. I like helping others, and often answer backup requests even on HC characters..this is indeed a challenge at times. If you need more challenge in HC try doing HC DZ or HC conflict? 😛 Or maybe a melee only option for HC w/o guns?
quick mango
Wel I mean...HC conflict is blocked
and....again, not that i didnt try
like, again, HC is just a perma death mode
but it doesnt have any other added challenge than that
again, maybe adding the need to eat, drink and maintain/repair your abilities and take medicine would make it more interesting other than the "You only live once"
like, HC mode really doesn't feel much like HC
maybe HC, instead of perma death, could make it so that everything is in a perma heroic difficulty and it only gets harder, plus maybe instead of perma death maybe just....i dont know. Perma death isnt really much of a challenge. A melee only mode is a good idea tho
quick mango
i just have many ideas for HC
unreal gate
@quick mango when you're playing HC in a group and the scaling happens, you can get some pretty intense swarms. The worst is when you're helping someone level, and the scaling happens and your game crashes and they get swarmed and die. :\ That's pretty intense..
quick mango
well...yeah but...first, i play solo, second, those swarms are stronger or harder to kill?
i mean, died very early on today because computer performance died
but could still notice an overall lack of stuff that made HC stand out
unreal gate
the swarms can get bad, and the addition of NPC's using skills and rocket combos can quickly kill even the tankiest builds if you're caught up in it alone.
quick mango
well, i play mostly on solo so...thanks for the advice for whenever i try again i guess
frank flame
@tardy fiber saying it cause it counts as cheating death. You only have one life not keep exploiting HC
saying it to expose it to a much larger base instead of reporting it directly you mean
acoustic cloud
Just brainstorming now, but how about in hardcore you can respawn but with an increased timer for every death, starting with 1 day then 2 days then 4 days then 8 days etc, still kinda semi HC
quick mango
Idea for HC: you can only have one primary, one secondary and the spec
earnest heath
Idea for HC: you can only have one primary, one secondary and the spec
@quick mango how is that different with what we have now?
crisp umbra
that's more like an allegiance run.
crisp anvil
Why would u that be a good thing @quick mango
quick mango
@earnest heath Let me word it differently: You should only be able to have one primary(lmg, smg, etc..) and the pistol/sawn off
Like in the Hardcore mode of Ghost Recon Wildlands
It would be a good thing beause not only would your arsenal choice matter more, but would also give more weight to your pistol
slow shale
^^ i like that idea
errant locust
Well, then we would need more restock boxes all around.
frank flame
restock boxes are already all around (atleast at high traffic areas)
slow shale
^^
errant locust
Yes, there are more restock boxes now, but still run out of ammo for my main every now and then when leveling CPs, heroic missions and such. So if we only had the main, then we would need some more imo.
quick mango
Or maybe we could use higher ammo reserves?
quick mango
or maybe bring Lone Star back?
unreal gate
i think it could be cool to be able to have different clans for hardcore
errant locust
Oh yeah, if the hardcore mode ever comes out of beta, then having a different clan for it would be ace. Already wish to have different ones for raid and everyday activities. I'm in a raid clan, but barely anyone is interested in daily normal activities, let alone hardcore. Though I doubt it's doable in a proper enough way and without too much work.
quaint glen
Clans are account level, so changing that would affect all characters.
frank flame
only thing hardcore does for me is change my tactics a bit, everything else is the same tbh
maybe loot should be increased and have better stuff?
molten wave
I’m almost 100% sure loot drops better in HC. I think it was their testing ground for that mechanic come loot 2.0
Nearly all my gear is in the 95% rolls without much farming, which I’m still trying to get on my normal character.
dry bane
@molten wave I am wondering the same, have seen some incredible rolls in my limited time playing HC
balmy skiff
errant locust
It was announced with an update back in December I think, as a lil holiday bonus.
lucid yew
@errant locust are u TSW?
errant locust
Hi @lucid yew 👋 You have to ask? 😲 Now my feelings are hurt, unfriending you and moving to grunning lol 😂 TSW community yes, clan no since I was in a speedraid clan until yesterday when I realized I currently just don't care about speed raids anymore, so I said goodbye.
lucid yew
@errant locust I wasn't sure. I always assumed u were but then I saw🔼 and started scratching my head. Maybe now's the time to join the TSW clan 😉 😂
errant locust
But you guys are always just sitting in the WH with your HC @lucid yew 😝 I like to take my HCs to where the action is, no rest for the wicked... or a long life lol Maybe in some weeks, gonna enjoy some solo time for a while, getting some HCs raid ready and such :)
Let's move any further chats back to another channel, we're missing the topic here.
fluid jewel
Is there a possibility to add a 3 to 5 mins. window time to get a revive from a friend or random matchmaking agent after death of a HC character?
crisp anvil
@fluid jewel With a Rainbow flare as a call for back up to all players!
fluid jewel
Something that will give you another opportunity to keep on grinding! It is sad that due to say “invisible walls” my character can hide and gets kill. Messages comes up, thanks for participating 30 hrs of playing time! Who wants to come back up and play HC mode again after that?
frank flame
how is that feedback?
warm veldt
@winter berry That's not funny
winter berry
it is my friend face
warm veldt
That's fine, but it doesn;t belong here or in any other channel @winter berry
strong schooner
i asked this question yesterday but it got lost and didnt track it, besides flexing your muscles, is there any other incentive for hardcore mode
exotic? apparel? trophy?
errant locust
Not really yet, maybe if it comes out of beta. Right now you get a Yolo cap and some patches. So for now it's more about the experience, which I personally love, not some really special rewards. @strong schooner
ornate dove
where to farm Sawyers Exotic Kneepads ?
molten wave
Seems to be a general loot pool RNG - I would imagine targeted loot would increase the chance though
lavish moat
It's trash
frank flame
wouldn't say that if you like Gunner
molten wave
Also it’s a very good exotic for pvp in the dz
odd carbon
Just died, thinking about suicide (lvl 19)
crisp anvil
Go for it!
frank flame
as playable? or a random npc that shows up on coney island?
the first one doesn't make sense because of DC agents are a different unit :x
solid scroll
A random Npc or some one you meet n a mission
molten wave
Would be hard to do I’d think since the game never stored that information
Also what about people that have multiple agents
frank flame
'could' use a blank placeholder like the npcs we see on trailers
that stand in for us
solid scroll
if people have multiple agents they should just use the one that they played the most
molten wave
I think the main problem is the storing of data mechanism wasn’t built into TD1 so there’s no way to retrieve it
unreal gate
Why would the data from a completely different game (different servers, different databases, etc.) be available on another game? This seems like it wouldn't be good practice IT-wise...
quaint glen
also not sure import of character from div1 covers under hardcore mode feedback.
languid pine
reasons i cant go to Kenly College include poor game design
frank flame
@languid pine reason for it being in the feedback channel for HARDCORE?
ionic dune
Kenly College gives me the fuckin creeps. Hate that shit
stray quail
do it once, never do it again
quaint glen
doing it in Hardcore is creepier
nimble jungle
i started a HC character got the YOLO hat... but im so nervous to grind her up becaue like i kinda feel attached in a way even though i made her look kinda ugly so if i die i wont feel bad but like i still will feel bad because thats some time down the drain
i know a few points were i might lose her
eather lincoln memorial the first time you do it on a fresh character is kinda iffy or the last part of Rossivelt Island
at least before it was changed a while back the first time i did it was when it was at its hardest
quaint glen
this is the beauty of HC
full surge
is there a list of HC exclusive rewards?
molten wave
It’s just the cap, and a few arm patches
worldly knot
Anyone have a wt5 hc character that can boost me through the missions so I can hit level 30? I’ve only done one mission. Unfortunately I’ve lost my character and doing it again
undone crypt
Tip if your hive dont drop solo, alt f4 while bleeding and wait 5 minutes. Respawn!
FFS FIX THE HIVE almost a year
exotic bison
oh is hive broken in HC?
nimble jungle
it kinda shouldnt work tbh
hard core is if you die you die
IE if your playing HC with a squad they shouldnt beable to rez you
i would say late game HC build would prop be high skill power with the repair chem launcher with a radius and heal mod or a ammo count and duration mod
and a repair drone with duration and armor repair
and also haveing the 50% more skill duration tallent is a must as well
my drone on my non HC character has a 600 second ish duration
10 minutes pretty much can last a whole mission if it dosent get blown up or stuck forceing me to self-destruct it
earnest heath
@nimble jungle but that how it works right now. Even if you're in a group and you died somehow no one will be able to rez you. Your teammates/hive work only if you're at the "down" state (bleesing to death). Problem is sometimes the hive doesn't work (never encounter this myself, but i heard many ppl complaining about this)
nimble jungle
the revive hive used to be kinda iffy back in may
thats the last time i used it
sometimes it would go off,sometimes it wont and youll respawn quicker then it goes off
really annoying when your going for Heroic mission solos
quaint glen
the hive is mostly fixed.. there are still issues with the timing and how people die. Its possible to get stunned and the hive not activate ( in lore wise the hive is activated by the agent as they drop) - there are issues with line of sight to, like if you drop your hive the other side of a wall or cover, you may not get revived.
mostly though, they believe they've got it resolved, if you find issue where it doesn't.. grab a vid and submit an issue
there's no difference to hive operation in hardcore or non-hardcore.
full surge
so in hardcore do people not use anything other than revive hive and some other skill that heals? the tankiest build they can put together? MMR with long ranges?
molten wave
My build isn’t too tanky - but I put two health rolls onto my aces build so poison wouldn’t be an instant death sentence
errant locust
@velvet wraith Used to run hive with the first HC I leveled but after this one I just use my usual setup, unmodded seekers and turret right from the start and AR DPS build, skill build in dz. No better adrenaline rush than running HC without healing or reviving skills hehe
At Chris and team, some feedback: Please change the spawn point after finishing Tidal Basin the first time. After advancing to WT5 the game always spawns us back in the open world even if you travel to the WH first. Can be dangerous in HC if you don't remember and go grab something to eat after TB lol
Also in general, can we reduce the animations on the map, I don't need the invaded animations over and over again or when another stronghold is unlocked. Quite annoying, something comes up and you gotta leave quickly, so you wanna bring your HC to safety, but no joy until the game reminded you about the invasion once again or shows you the targeted loot tutorial right after TB.
Also for the shepherding, can we maybe see some more details in HC? When in early game and a call comes in I would like to know which level the user is and what he is doing on which difficulty. For example, don't wanna risk ending up in a challenging bounty in early game with a useless build lol Seems the game adds Normal to the info but it can still be anything but normal.
undone crypt
Hive can be kicked by Chungus, sure. But, even wearing perfectly unbreakable with 300k armor and 200k heatlh, a CP4 Suicide bomber will Blast you, Trigger Unbreakable but it never goes off, and downs you, while your hive drops halfway to the ground and just "disappears" that's one hell of a suicide.
glacial hawk
@molten wave aces backpack ! I’m impressed .
molten wave
@glacial hawk unfortunately that’s not from raiding in HC - I still have yet to find a group for that. It’s from materials from normal, and just crafting on the bench in HC.
prime hearth
when can we create a 5th character to do hardcore.......
stray quail
soon-ish
quaint glen
it's an idea, it's not been promised that they're implementing a 5th character slot. but discussed etc..
unreal gate
Have they fixed the issue where you're getting backup calls for regular mode in hardcore mode?
frank flame
At Chris and team, some feedback: Please change the spawn point after finishing Tidal Basin the first time. After advancing to WT5 the game always spawns us back in the open world even if you travel to the WH first. Can be dangerous in HC if you don't remember and go grab something to eat after TB lol
Also in general, can we reduce the animations on the map, I don't need the invaded animations over and over again or when another stronghold is unlocked. Quite annoying, something comes up and you gotta leave quickly, so you wanna bring your HC to safety, but no joy until the game reminded you about the invasion once again or shows you the targeted loot tutorial right after TB.
Also for the shepherding, can we maybe see some more details in HC? When in early game and a call comes in I would like to know which level the user is and what he is doing on which difficulty. For example, don't wanna risk ending up in a challenging bounty in early game with a useless build lol Seems the game adds Normal to the info but it can still be anything but normal.
That is great feedback. But it's not just tidal basin. After I finished Union District Arena I was spawned right next to a public execution event. fortunately I was able to run away and hide. Spawns at WT changes should be at the White House or a nearby safe house, not in the open world. Besides we really don't need all that invaded map stuff. We get it. Same thoughts on calls for help. With no idea what you're really in for it's hard to answer the call.
errant locust
In the end it doesn't matter if you lose your GS500 HCs because of game crashes in the middle of some serious action lol
frank flame
@warm olive
Would be cool, if you guys give us a feedback channel not only for hardcore mode but for the game in general!
stray quail
🤔
quaint glen
Pretty much ever other place is used for general discussion and feedback
ionic dune
There's a little glitch with Seeker mines. Shortly after vaulting over a small wall or barrier and I try to throw Seeker mines it won't let me. It gets stuck after I release RB (on Xbox). Like, I'm able to see the lines in the air for when the Seekers would land but it's frozen. So I have to press RB again to release it from being stuck and then I'm able to throw it.
quaint glen
@ionic dune that only in hardcore?
keen stirrup
hey guys anyone have character running to freezee and game crash and how to fix error ? my system is very good but why error this game for me ? whats happened ?
ionic dune
@quaint glen I don't even play Harcore mate
quaint glen
@ionic dune this channel is for hardcore feedback .. which is why I asked.
ionic dune
@quaint glen ahh frick
quaint glen
Have you submitted the issue to ubisoft support? https://support.ubi.com
ionic dune
Could do it rn
ionic dune
No u
frank flame
@quaint glen @slender hemlock I´m talking about a channel with feedback only so our feedback might be heard, cause i highly doubt, that the Devs go through every post and check if it´s feedback for the game or just conversations.
livid abyss
Not a HC player but a suggestion that'd make me want to play HC. When the character dies, make it become a normal agent instead of immediate deletion, some people might just want to continue on it 🙂
Of course if it's possible
half verge
I am just settled now that I will not try even one Raid run on my HC char... finding group is like mission impossible atm.
frank flame
@quaint glen that´s great. thx
green ingot
Well that's a load of crap. I started a hardcore section an hour ago and at my 36min, my entire game seems to lose connection from the server and of course I died
😅 That should keep me away from this game mode until it is out of beta.
full surge
lol, has that even been done before? raid on HC? not even 1 wipe, not even a death from your squad otherwise someone will have to jump in to replace that guy...
stone whale
@full surge hardcore raid for Coordinated team isn't that hard. Have run 16 already. Only death on those is myself. I died when I blue screened in front of a turret and boomer killed me :(
tacit fulcrum
If something could be done about the HUD being super in the way on consoles that'd be great. Even better if it applies to all modes
random roost
Apart from all the obvious issues, like death after delta whatnot, I think Hardcore Mode should drop all the in-game tutorials. Nobody without profound knowledge of the gameplay mechanics should play this anyway.
Like the other day, one of those popup advises a second before combat really got me irritated.
errant locust
Yeah right? Running into the JTCenter garage full speed and boom the veteran and elite popup shows up while you're basically hugging the first NPCs already 😂 🤣
proper wing
i just started a new char if anyone wants to join me
quaint glen
@Mars - not hc related.. but you can go to settings and move your hud elements
tacit fulcrum
Can't move the floating HUD next to your character. Definitely hc related cause it'll get you killed
frank flame
a permanent death mode
potent glen
so kind of like Rainbow 6?
ruby idol
So if you die you don't respond?
solar oriole
@ruby idol Correct
ruby idol
@solar oriole hell no haha
potent glen
🤯 @lyric snow
That's actually a really really cool concept
Is the overall difficulty higher as well or ?
lyric snow
Probably @potent glen i never tried it but i can only remember it being a permanent death system
errant locust
The general difficulty seems the same. But since it's a whole different mode it sometimes feels way more difficult in a different way. Just one missed suicide bomber, one poorly chosen position, one missed fuel tank near your cover, one surprising convoy or patrol during another activity etc and you might be done for good. Though one game crash and you're also done lol
I for one love this mode, except for the game crash deaths, didn't touch my normal main for ages, wish this was the default mode and that they would put more focus on keeping us alive after crashes and such, since that's ruining the whole experience.
lyric snow
I hope they fix the game crashes
frank flame
I want to reach WT5 in HC and attempt the raid. I get soo close lvl 30 but either I accidentally enter a skulled area or I get flanked
errant locust
Well if you know this then do it the safe way and equip a hive and/or run in a squad. It's not really that difficult, even without hive or squad, just gotta adjust a bit. Though if you run in a squad with WT5 folks then they can probably power level you in a few hours including dropping raid ready gear.
frank flame
My friend tried boosting me in his WT5 level. We did space administration HQ hard and somehow the boss targeted me which caused me to insta die
glad ocean
the divison 2 really is as bad as people said guys..even at 3 dollars . i tried to love it but it sucks man
come back to the div1 where u all belong
THATS hardcore inpiut
i could renew RUNESCAPE for more and get a better game experiance
frank flame
funny coming from someone who no lifes crafting jobs
glad ocean
nice try seri4...no cigar
i do love the crafting aspect of a game like the division through
thats the division ONE
i could renew final fantasy 14..or their previous games if u gonna get rude
frank flame
@warm veldt
glad ocean
corey wont mod me this is hardcore feedback
warm veldt
This is feedback for the hardcore game mode, not feedback for the game in general
warm veldt
There's a mod play for ya
glad ocean
seri4 was rude to me through? can we put them on time out ?
lol
for the love and fun..i dare u corey..it ll be worth it for the rsge
warm veldt
Nah
glad ocean
the heart foundation would have done it 💯
it says div2 hardcore-feedback. i didnt even bother playing div2 that long to find a hardcore..just a badly built game
errant locust
@frank flame I think for power leveling the WT5 folks have to be in your world to help with your progression.
unreal gate
@errant locust i have helped loads of people power level, and they come to my map as levels go faster..even though it's more of a risk. But you can jump many levels in one mission when just starting out. As long as you play the missions on story mode in the correct order that they have them unlocked, it seems to have progressed them just fine.
errant locust
Interesting, I didn't use powerleveling yet so figured they need to be in your map to help with your progress. Good to know, thanks @unreal gate 👍
frank flame
In non HC I levelled up twice in my friends WT5 level
frank flame
Without dying
frank flame
Like to go with a Squad WT5, 440Armor, Good DMG how want´s to join?
Bounty´s, Camp WO, Coney Island
quaint glen
in hardcore @frank flame ?
lean carbon
@quaint glen Where's your christmas hat dude? I thought you were gonna add one 😭
quaint glen
because i'm playing div1
lean carbon
Touché
smoky bramble
What will the hardcore mode include
is there a video or post explaining somewhere?
frank flame
currently, it's just the base game with permadeath
smoky bramble
Will enemies be less bullet spongy?
last fractal
theyre not that spongy for looter shooters or rpgs
lean gyro
Enemies are definitely not spongy at all compares to other rpgs
frank flame
if it takes more then 1 shot, it's bullet spongy to them 
unreal gate
Something to make hardcore more hardcore.. A set of challenges with special buffs activated automatically once the challenge is activated. For example (stay with me here): A ninja suit that grants the wearer with complete stealth and invisibility for 15 seconds, but requires you to take cover immediately after. If you fail to take cover it turns into a clown suit and the shoes make clown honking noises for every step (which alert enemies in range). The clown buff lasts 30 seconds. Must complete path walk from Potomac to Lincoln Memorial completely undetected. 🤡
regal pewter
is hardcore actually it's own server, or can i like, play with a mate, him being normal me being HC?
sinful hinge
not sure but saw a hc player in lobby while i was in my regular toon
so i think i can happen
regal pewter
ty
tender smelt
5th slot for HC coming soon? Cause I don't wanna delete my 4th.
half verge
I deleted my 4th SC char before they announced lvl 30 boosts and all... to be able to level one on HC.
Glad I did that as journey was fun and I've even got my HC Raid arm patch.
But separate char slot for that is a must imho.
earnest heath
@regal pewter No. Hardcore char can't be played on a "normal" world
stone whale
Please make that if someone gets Delta on razorback, that he/she can come back. Had do solo 1 becase of it. And it's not fair that we have to risk, simply because game is buggy as hell...
hollow zenith
@sinful hinge you will see hardcore players in a safe house or boo but you cant join them unless you are in hardcore mode
sharp quest
This game is so good it’s worth 3bucks, let’s see how they will piss more people off coming next month
frank flame
it's just going to be more "WARLORDS SHOULD BE FREE!!!"
i don't think that counts :x
and also, games go on sale, Welcome to life!
sweet basalt
So they made all content free before warlords for all players ?
lean gyro
No
deep night
to any of the ubisoft peeps or mods any plans on fixing the server state and or ongoing bugs before the warlords of new york release?
quaint glen
-- lets keep this channel for Hardcore Mode Feedback agents --
deep night
ye ez hardcore right here
ok my bad i apologize hardcore feedback for ya the gamestate is virtually unplayable with all the current bugs and server status hardcore and regular mode i certainly wouldn't want to play hardcore with a random enemy spawning in a glitch outside and have to w.............. i mean restart the entire game
ancient igloo
Is it like intended for players to have access to Darkzone recovered items looted on normal chars on their HC chars by using the stash? I don't think this is intended
HC should have completely separated stash, but even though you can't access your normal stash while playing the HC character, you can easily claim any DZ loot you got on your normal mode character as long as it remains in your "special delivery" .
quaint glen
@ancient igloo no, don't think so. But its is a Beta
frank flame
Do we have an official LFG for hardcore that’s NOT raids?
frank flame
Oh
hoary ice
just started my journey on HC and im loving it. Hope it stays in the long run
frank flame
@hoary ice when the expansion comes, you should add directives to that character
🙃 it'll increase the thrill
frail lance
why does all DZ spawns not have turrets
i have a screenshot that icant share here of 3 guys waiting outside
frank flame
occupied dark zone has them disabled
ancient igloo
@hoary ice this is feedback channel, not discussion.
frank flame
they gave feedback though
stray quail
that they did
quaint glen
@ancient igloo their message 100% falls as feedback, and about hc mode.
ancient igloo
Then you sadly don't know the meaning of the word "feedback"
quaint glen
go on, enlighten me.
ancient igloo
sry, have better things to do, use google or dictionary
stray quail
rude
ancient igloo
I just said this doesn't belong here, if you read the definition of word "feedback" , then I am more than certainly right 🙂
If you ignore facts, well, then you can interpret this however you like
🙂
quaint glen
@ancient igloo -
information about reactions to a product, a person's performance of a task, etc. which is used as a basis for improvement.
Their message 100% is information about their reaction to a product (hc mode).
--
If in future you feel the need to act as arbiter of messaging, please feel free to dm @frank flame with the information
ancient igloo
you're welcome
A lot of misconceptions about what is and what isn't a feedback lately, it breaks my heart people just use first google output and consider it "status quo" . And this is spinning into off-topic conversation
quaint glen
@ancient igloo ok, lets end it here.
please refrain from applying your view of feedback and it's correctness.
As per previous, feel free to guide where it goes off topic, but if you feel the need to act as arbiter of messaging, please feel free to dm @frank flame with the information
Also, if you disagree, please also take that to @frank flame
frank flame
Sorry
quaint glen
its ok @frank flame
frank flame
@warm olive still no channel for general feedback😔
quaint glen
no sure why you're tagging that user @frank flame
frank flame
@quaint glen i thought it works like on the SoutparkPhoneDestroyer official discord and II´m tagging the heads of this server
quaint glen
nope
you can't and shouldn't tag them as per the #rules
the user you tagged is a person who has called themselves that..
frank flame
alright, sry
quaint glen
if you need to raise or request something - you can dm @frank flame
frank flame
@long pewter
Can you please create a channel for general feedback for the game?
quaint glen
oops
sorry my bad
seems discord had a bit of an auto-incorrect error
the user you can private message/dm is @frank flame
frank flame
@quaint glen what did you mean last time, when you answered. "request heard" ?
quaint glen
a general feedback channel has been requested before, it's been heard. seen. etc
frank flame
@quaint glen so it´s not going to happen, or what?
@quaint glen what is the bot going to do with my request or pm?
If a request is popular and it makes sense we can follow up. If you DM a bot it sends a message to all mods, so everybody can see it.
thx
half rock
I fell off the map doing a roll dodge first time ever tho. And then i also do want to say, doesn't anyone else think Ubi should put more tattoos option in the game? Like if there is more, I haven't seen any yet
ancient igloo
@half rock You can get more tattoos by completing outfit sets.
I would send you a picture, but I am not able to do so -_-
frank flame
Im so addicted playing this game i just started 6 days ago and im already at world tier 5 with 450 gs
tranquil scarab
in my country this could be said as "no ma vantati", btw congrats
hollow heath
raw dagger
I didn't know hardcore mode was about haircuts
placid sparrow
how the multiplayer multiplier works? i know the level are scaled,
but is there an increase of mobs number ?
quaint glen
agents
- if you're not aware of the Hardcore Mode that's in beta a tthe moment, feel free to ask about it here.
- if you've played the Hardcore Mode - please give your feedback on it.
If your feedback or discussion point is not related to the Hardcore Mode, please find an alternative channel for it.
inland shoal
Let's see... I use this strategy, but it's pretty dumb.
Transfer conflict caches from mailbox to player, open them, sell gear, buy from clan vendor.
I think the shared mailbox needs a redo.
half rock
The problem is, its just too repetitive, especially they make you run it back again after Black tusk. Like wtf lol
sly vault
I recently started. I didn’t feel anything else other than a sense that I had to be more cautious. I didn’t sense I would be rewarded for my effort. I was just rerunning the campaign for the ability to say I did. I guess for the challenge. But, in a loot-shooter, unless there is some greater reward equal to the consequences I’m not sure I would continue.
gentle zealot
I find i'm having to manage my inventory way too often, i wish i could set auto-loot rules. like: deconstruct any item below 500GS, deconstruct duplicate mods, don't touch red or green items, loot everything else
stray meadow
Storage should be increased more
I wish they stop messing with the gear... Im tired of having to rebuild gear..
half verge
My feedback on HC mode is - fix exploit doing SC Raid with HC player in it. That arm patch means nothing atm and it should be the chase one.
stone whale
@half verge wasn't that exploit that Hardcore character could do discovery raid?
half verge
I don't know if it's still possible. But I know some guys bragging like a week ago that they did normal and not discovery one that way.
stone whale
I think it's a lie, that would be all over Reddit and stuff like that.
frank flame
Just found out about hardcore mode.. as a masochistic lover of dark souls type difficulty id love to hear how to access it
quaint glen
@frank flame - create a new character.. on the character select screen, choose hardcore
that's it
molten wave
I tried digging a while back for any sort of word on how people were doing it to see if there was any foundation to that supposed exploit for the raid, but I wasn’t able to find anything. So as far as I’m concerned it’s just talk 🤷♂️
placid sparrow
@ me, how to remove the annnoying annoying bright orange wave when swapping to Signature weapon ?
placid sparrow
not wrong channel, no one answered, i guess only the hardcore players would answer,
thank you
late harness
@placid sparrow there is an option in settings to do that.
frank flame
@quaint glen thank youu
silk marten
I am sooooo angry rn
I trying to join the divisions 2
But I can't cuz connection issues with my home internet
My home internet is fast
Cuz I can't join I try my phone internet
Guess what
It work
With no connection issues problems
Is it like the server blocked me or what
lament laurel
@silk marten we understand your frustration agent, but you might want to contact your ISP and Ubisoft support https://https://support.ubisoft.com/ to get that sorted
Solving that is outside of our reach and this is a #td2-hardcore-mode-chat channel
silk marten
im used to R6 discord and there is a complain here
so i didnt find anything so i typed it here
and ubi cant do nothing
all they do its this stupid bot that answering to you all the time with the same msg all this fixes dot even help all ubi problem cuz my internet is fast
lament laurel
@silk marten still not the right channel. Having fast internet doesn't seem to be your issue, but some kind of proxy or firewall blocking on your side. Take it to the official support where they can better assist you.
or you can try #unofficial-troubleshooting where other community member can try to help you if the can, but this is not the proper channel
frank flame
by the way for a bit of feedback, on the left side of the island the hammer dudes and the little guys that side step with their guns up are bugged to hell, they glitch all over the place, the rest of the enemies are fine just them
got to gear score 288 so far and those are the only enemies that glitch
elfin warren
Bruh I died so far on level 28 the bounty glitched out for it , I died from a bug but that’s okay it’s the beta . It was a bounty from the snitch
half verge
I appreciate RNGod for being so good to me. Leveled my first HC char to GS500 (with 3 close calls and hive going strong) and managed to finish normal Raid there.
But seeing and hearing all that horror stories... dying so easy from bugs and delta's... I appreciate my journey really a lot.
prime hearth
lack of rewards
potent nest
need more rewards
how bout a reward for each mission/badge for each difficulty
or just a reward for completing all missions on each difficulty
frank flame
it´s not fair that you force us to go on skills when we want to have a little heal trough the mendormine for example
it should be possible to only use guns as it is a shooter and still have a minimum help from your gadgets
now every build has to have 1 skill tier at least
hollow flame
i like many things about the latest update and can ignore most of the irritating ones, but taking away the patience and cloaked talents were terrible decisions
frank flame
if the skills don´t perform anything, it shouldn´t even be possible to use them
my characters shoes are stuck halfway in the concrete of the main menu, doesn´t look good at all
favourite gear should still show up in the recalibration library like it did before in the bench
frank flame
They should let players equip 2 exotics since they have removed the holstered talents
brisk harbor
Overall I'm loving the changes comapred to launch
The skill build changes are fucking beautiful, I will say I've ran into a few more wonky ass environment problems, like not being able to step down from a car and having to follow a "predetermined" path even though I'm 3 feet off the street
Also, for real, dog models are already in the game....we reallllllllllllly need a K9 specialist
meager kettle
i like the stage modification on how the difficulty of missions plays because of the gear of 2.0, like heroic mode i just tried, you get shot by enemy 6 times its like your already critical, so the way the gameplay feels now it takes time to clear and need to be careful rather than just sprint and murder spree (i do agree clearing faster is great) but it becomes simple in that way.
And for the gears you need to add skill tear atrribute to increase the gagdet abilities rather that all gear focus on example offence so you can oblitirate enemy's faster, so it adds another layer of demension to it, Although the calibration system is kinda complex, but trying my best to digest it little by little
very good for the update
frank flame
the mendormine needs sth like the firewall shield, like have four reds and get rank 4
molten seal
anyone able to help me lvl up my HC. one run on district union would help a lot.
cosmic kayak
if you don't get the expansion, your gear is screw and the game is too difficult to play. On top of that, the loot system is also broken. There are less drops in general, more purple drops than high end, not guarantee high gear score, to which kind of discourage to make new builds. The game entire became less enjoyable for those without expansion after the new update.
frank flame
👀 how does this apply to the hardcore mode?
says whats its for right on top of the channel
also has a pinned message describing that
compact pendant
My b
young elk
So, before the update I was able to play 60+Fps, but since I updated the game, the fps drops from 45 to 25. I don't know if it has something to do with the update performance-wise but it's really annoying that I can't play the game fluidly anymore.
hollow flame
i think what is confusing for more players is that they mixing the "hardcore player" term with "veteran player" maybe, the YOLO mode would be more straightforward maybe as the hardcore mode isn't highlighted enough. I've met players who did put over 400 hours in the main game without even hearing about the hardcore mode.
lusty anchor
Emm i cant talk to control point officers
half rock
I cant even play the game, it literally keeps kicking me out every time i load in lol
????
frank flame
@half rock where does this happen in hardcore mode?
kind mortar
Bruh since when was this #unofficial-troubleshooting
worldly shard
how much damage is slashed off signature weapons when shooting at named enemies?
molten wave
Died at 37, leveling a new character. Definitely a lot harder/ more stressful now to level than before the gear changes. It’s all good - just having no talents on gear or armor, even at 11, makes it a bit more of a grind. No real complaints though, just can’t wait to get back into WoNY
timid wagon
Why were spec points removed from prestige levels? Like please say sike right now.
sudden field
I cannot speak to NPC in safehouses LOL
ashen obsidian
That was supposed to be fixed yesterday and I’ve had no problem today with them
frank flame
it amazes me at how many people "mistake" this for a normal feedback channel
molten wave
The feedback itself is super hardcore @frank flame 😂
tame path
guys i ve done more than 40 bounty and no exotics ... nothing
loud pulsar
Rng a bitch
frank flame
@tame path on the hardcore mode? also rng is a bitch
idle sierra
is it possible to play in NY with hardcore player?
errant locust
Yup just checked, once you're in WT5 you can start the NY campaign. Though surviving it with a hardcore is a different thing lol
molten wave
When leveling a hardcore character now, be careful doing the DC sections. It’s extremely difficult to level, as you don’t really get your first talent (weapon or armor) until the mid 20s
Just spent about 11 hours yesterday leveling a new one up to get taken out in under a second at 29 by a purple hyena- with mostly blue main stats
fluid jewel
If I finished the raid in hardcore mode with the way the game is right now! Is it fair for me to say that I graduated from TD school of players? LOL
hollow spruce
i need help doing 5 story missions on hard. whos down to help me please
timid wagon
The sticky bomb launcher isn't counting for "kill named enemies using skills" in firewall research
jade berry
hi guys, i'm having a hard time finding lady Death SMG, should i give a shot to hyena caches back in DC?
frank flame
seriously people
this is
Hardcore feedback for hardcore mode
This is not for irrelevant questions
compact stump
increase inventory size since levels increased too.
frank flame
@frank flame the controlpoint "celebration hotel" is playing two songs simultaniously from two different sources... very disturbing, super annoying... please fix
frank flame
@frank flame Can we get a channel for general feedback, please.
lusty anchor
Seriusly adjust dmg to elites its stupid
lusty anchor
Oh and now i find out u cant replace the stats u wanna actually it auto shifts somehow to core stats great
frank flame
still the wrong channel
lusty anchor
thats my feedback
errant locust
Still the feedback channel for the hardcore mode though ;)
To answer your question, it's just a visual bug, it will still replace the selected attribute.
fierce meteor
i can't craft my exotic holster [This item already been crafted.]
is it a bug or we're not allowed to craft twice.
already craft in my main character, i create new character and finish the goal project to get all the material+blueprint.
wet dagger
WTF can't I stream Division 2 after the update? Worked just fine before the update, now meh guess I'll stream other games
molten wave
They need to drop the word feedback from this channel, and change it to something else so people stop coming here for unrelated stuff
It feels like 75%+ of the posts here aren’t pertinent to HC mode and are just general chat
frank flame
they should finally create a channel for feedback in general, but it seems them afraid or sth
frank flame
@frank flame you made the game feel surreal....having to put 3 mags into a red enemy is ridiculous.
we playin that game on hard now and it feels super unrealistic, cause we need to put 500 rounds into one enemy
frank flame
@frank flame you made the game a total joke... heroic controlpoint you need more bullets than you can carry for only one elite
mint wharf
People are still soloing heroic checkpoints dude
frank flame
i did so too before the update
and i would still
if it would feel in any way realistic!
it just makes no sense that a one enemy can take so many bullets
they should have made the game harder by enemy numbers instead of making the enemies superheroes
@frank flame The Division 2 was the greatest game of all time to me and it still felt this way till i killed Keener, but this is ridiculous
@frank flame If you don´t fix this, I have to quit playin the game 😔
obsidian dock
Anyone wanna start a hardcore agent with me
chrome summit
Wait is this real life?
Kill two rogue agents in Challenging, one drops this:
Military M80 shotgun that is like... 75% bar, not even god tiers
And a purple
The other drops a regular armor kit
Sadly I could't avoid them because they were in the middle of a mission
So we have to waste a crapton of resources, eat through healing bulletsponges for 20m
To get mediocre drops?
Cooome on Ubisoft. Is there anything you haven't dropped the ball on this patch? Sheeesh.
frank flame
@frank flame
and by the way, we didn´t get one good gear or weapon in a group of four, doing 2 heroic checkpoints and a challenging bounty.
Didn´t you say the more effort the better the loot, and that you will clearly notice the difference between story loot and heroic loot?!
same with the loot overall, i was running the whole ny campaign with what i crafted back in dc on lvl 30, I only exchanged the weapons of course and i did change the kneepads.
you said we´ll get better loot in progress of the story anyway, but useable gear just started dropping after finishing Keener.
and the amount of damage the elites take in heroic is totally absurd, it feels like shooting blank ammunition.
I don´t understand why creating such a nice game with it´s great graphics and realistic lighting and sounds and such a massive amount of tiny details and then destroy every little bit of realism by creating these ( @chrome summit very well said) bulletsponge superheroes by giving one unit more health and armor than the whole checkpoint crew all togheter had before the update.
I agree that the game was too easy in some parts, but as I said it would have been great increasing difficulty by more aggressiv AI or simply with larger enemy numbers.
you didn´t make the game harder you just gave the same acting enemy npcs 10 times more armor and health for each difficulty level.
it´s not giving the game more thrill it´s makin it boring and before all super unrealistic!
I am fine with all the changes but this enemy health and damage destroys everything.
I really hope you give us back the old balance, and try to invent sth plausible and realistic to higher the difficulty of the game.
@frank flame i feel your pain, doing all of this in hardcore mode, must be really tough staying alive nowadays, i admire your determination
@frank flame i don´t even play hardcore... i´m posting here since this is the only channel related to feedback at all
oh, then it has nothing to do with this channel
it´s about the game in general
chrome summit
I just feel it's absolutely disheartening to work HARD towards some stuff and then the outcome being HORRIBLE, not even ask for Godly, just DECENT, one high roll, something! But no, hard work for zero improvement. Add that to the fact that we can now pick up exotics with garbage stats and the fact you only go up one specialty profeciency point every time you level and I feel like it's even hard to get results nowadays than it was pre-patch. If I did a full solo Heroic back before the patch I'd be moderately to ecstatic with the results. It was rewarding. Now it makes me want to quit before investing more time and effort.
frank flame
but would include
hardcore
chrome summit
Specially in hardcore since one mistake and it's over.
frank flame
wrong channel still
chrome summit
My problem is not that it's harder, it's that it's harder for no reward.
You're literally risking your character for nothing.
frank flame
it being harder is great, but it loosing it´s realism at all, ruins the game
frank flame
@frank flame
How about a sixth directive:
enemy npcs amount of total armor and total health % changed by a sixth directive,
so players can deside if they go against usual bots 0% or those superhuman you have running in heroic now, having 500%.
frank flame
@frank flame This way everything can go back to normal and you can still keep the new invented difficulty changes somehow. But you´ll not be forcing us to take that for real or serious.
Or even quit the game for the lack of credibility, cause some of us believe it or not played that game because everything in it seemed very realistic.
And i think i can remember that the Devs put alot of effort in that realism and that they are and can be very proud of what they created.
Why would you destroy this realism with this very cheap way to raise difficulties?
mint wharf
Go back to normal...
frank flame
@mint wharf thats defenilty no solution at all
rustic turret
This patch has made all the loot incredibly boring for me, holster kneepads mask gloves they're all the exact same 99.9% of everything you pick up is complete trash even on heroic difficulty (which isn't fun shooting all your ammo on one elite) the builds have lost so much freedom
versed socket
And this relates to the hardcore mode how exactly?
hexed goblet
rustic turret
@versed socket have you even read any other feedback in here except mine
versed socket
Yes and the same question applies to them. This is for feedback on the hardcore game mode. Not the general whining channel
rustic turret
This is the only channel labeled feedback where else would people try to give feedback
And hardcore can mean many things such as the hardcore community that plays the game a lot
Not just hwrdcore mode
versed socket
Its literally in the pins
rustic turret
So why did you decide to tell me and not the other hundred people doing the same
You can see how the channel name can be confusing
versed socket
Not really. It's pretty self explanatory when "hardcore modes" exist in lots of games
rustic turret
The term hardcore exists in literally every game, especially mmos and looter shooters to define the audience that grinds the game the most
Hardcore mode is new in looter shooters, anthem destiny borderlands so lots of games doesn't really work here
Instead of yelling at each of the hundreds of people maybe you should ask an admin to make it "hardcore-mode feedback" @versed socket
Would save a lot of time and energy
frank flame
@versed socket or you adress your complain t6o the people that run this discord, telling them to finally creat a channel for general feedback
frank flame
@rustic turret you actually think that will make people start reading? lol
off-topic "feedback" will still happen regardless, calling them out trying to prevent them from coming back is the only way
rustic turret
@frank flame make this hardcore mode feedback and add a off topic feedback
It makes 0 sense to complain to people in here when it's the system is dumb lol
frank flame
still wont change anything, people will go to the first one they see
rustic turret
Maybe but then complaining would actually make sense
And you could tell them to post in there
Not just a asshole sly remark when its confusing lol
open dagger
so i just spent 46 minutes straight running around kenly metro tring to find 5th panel cuz first 4 didnt open loot room. I also have 100s more facts about why div2 is complete fail. if your goal was to get people frustrated and angry to feed demons ubi work for, you have succeeded.
true oriole
Does bullet protection increase skill tier for shield? My shields are getting skill tier with bullet protection
Is it a glitch?
true oriole
wooooah
frank flame
you can see how much by looking at the skill
true oriole
then red ones should increase a bit of skill tier too. like 2 red ones could give 1 skill tier
yeah I saw it, I thought it was glitched
Thanks!
agile saddle
Yo hardcore feedback : million bugs i will exploit , no visible meta , to hard enemies , fkn dogshit sets , u want money but wont let us fun , shotgun sucks , fun stuff gets nerfed , unconvinient interface 50 million menus , menus hard acessable not enjoing that , take a bite off of the warframe devs they do what people like to keep them playing and paying . Welcome to 2020 people wont pay u if u dont give them what they love !
frank flame
@agile saddle amazing hardcore feedback, too bad this is for the hardcore MODE like it says on top of this channel and pinned messages
normal lake
when you have revive hive equipped people cannot revive you at all
frank flame
@frank flame aren´t you tired of telling people the same thing over and over again?
do you get paid for doing this, or do you have another way to benefit from no one use this channel but hardcore players???
@frank flame why don´t you direct your complains to the dev side, so that they finally create a feedback channel in this discord???
i was right to block you after i saw the constant paragraphs of nonsense few days ago
tardy marlin
flat path
Ok guys, like what @frank flame said, please, keep this channel to feedback for the hardcore mode. If you want your feedback for the game in general to be heard, best place is to go to the forums.
icy quest
well, there is nothing to add, everything has already been said about this update on reddit/thedivision
vestal fiber
Every bit of balance in the game has been broken i have 1.4m armor and when im playing challanging it gets broken in seconds fast said the npc's are too op as they are now
keen stirrup
Matchmaking is bugged pls fix it
frank flame
@keen stirrup on the hardcore mode?
frank flame
report it on the forums, not here
keen stirrup
lol 🙂
frank flame
@frank flame the orange light on my shoulder is too bright, its blinding or giving me an orange halo on the screen constantly and blurres the character , if i get close to walls or obstacles it´s like a orange flashlight
just doing it on purpose now lol
funny
frank flame
no, it´s still the only feedback channel and i was told to do so if i got feedback
@frank flame why shouldn´t we report it here?!
does it bother you in person????
😏
not even going to try with you anymore
then why you still complaining???
i have never complained nor have ever been salty to anyone in this channel, you just seem to hate me correcting you so i did it for awhile but ive lost interest with your trolling now
so enjoy being drowned out because of being in the wrong channel
@frank flame Please give us a feedback channel, cause the hardcore players feel offended when other then hardcoremode feedback is posted in here.
and then they start arguements with those who dare doing it!
trolling???
You are the one giving statements to post he shouldn´t even care about
where is the right channel then?
versed socket
https://forums.ubisoft.com/forumdisplay.php/2008-Suggestions-amp-Feedback
Probably here. Like y'all was told. By a mod. Less than 10 hours ago
frank flame
witch bot told me what?
versed socket
There's literally a post saying to take it to the forums if it doesn't relate to the game mode if you scroll back up a bit
frank flame
@frank flame i was instructed to adress this bot with my feedback...
@frank flame if this is not correct then please tell me where else to post my feedback in this discord...
frank flame
@here
it´s a shame, that you "hardcore-elites" feel the need to push through the exclusiv right to state their feedback in this discord.
and the mods push their egos, by telling us to use the forum instead...
why can´t we leave our comments in discord?
and if it is about this being "hardcore feedback", then why is their still no second feedback channel?
frank canyon
funnily enough, none of these are abt feedback for hardcore or normal mode
frank flame
@frank flame
you said (quote): "i was right to block you after i saw the constant paragraphs of nonsense few days ago"
when i was giving feedback in here several times on one evening.
today you telling me this, after more feedback
(quote): "just doing it on purpose now lol funny"
after me responding to you why you even care about me posting in here
you say this to me (quote):
"you just seem to hate me correcting you so i did it for a while but ive lost interest"
and in the same sentence blaming me to be a troll.
and that because I give feedback in here and adress a few posts to you?
you know what? read this definition of what a troll is, and you´ll notice that actually the only thing missing in this description is your discord-nickname as an example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
flat path
@frank flame you are supposed to DM the Bot directly. Pinging it here will not send any message. This channel has already been intended for a hardcore mode feedback channel, and as for your request for an actual non-hardcore mode /a general feedback channel, I'll let the others know about it - and as for the forums (and even Reddit), the developers do frequently monitor them. They may not reply to every single one, but they can see it. If you want to rant about the game (in a hopefully constructive manner), do head into #td2-general-chat .
slim radish
Yup. The issue with Discord is that it's very hard to aggregate and collect together feedback vs general chatter. And things scroll by so fast. With the forums it's easier to collect, to read over and search. Here? Not so much.
Same for reddit.
Which is why we direct people to the forums and reddit for long form feedback.
radiant night
Last comment: nearly 2 years ago. I‘m like „wow it took the mods 2 years to recognized people are chatting in lfg-hardcore channel“
recognize*
The early bird …. Lol
Don’t get me wrong but hey fellows, that really doesn’t make much sense
primal sage
This channel wasn't available for people that's why there haven't been any comments since the last one. 🙃
radiant night
Ok i see. But I guess you might close down lfg-hardcore soon, coz of lack of activity and people gonna search for players here …. Just a thought. Who am I, not my cup of tea … but I just scrolled up the last few days there and couldn’t find any lfg msg. Whatever
molten condor
this channel’s name sounds very wrong.
frank flame
That's subjective however if you have another suggestion that would fit better I am all ears
frank flame
Ok i see. But I guess you might close down lfg-hardcore soon, coz of lack of act...
If we don't see any LFG Hardcore Mode messages in that channel over the next few months or so we will look at retiring the channel, as we have with others over time.
brisk socket
Maybe hardcore is gonna get re worked too
blazing tinsel
Maybe hardcore is gonna get re worked too
0 chance of that
tame saddle
The only change I want is to fix all the random crashes so I can play HC again.
primal sage
I'm still playing HC even with the crashes. No risk, no fun. Right? 🤪
sweet seal
\o/ woohoo, a HC chat! I need to hop back on my HC toon one of these days and finish SHD leveling him up. Still on that gear grind.
brisk socket
0 chance of that
Well 0 chance of div1 get updated but hey
Lol crashing on pc does anyone know why? Funny how console doesn't have same thing especially the game old console versions
sweet seal
reasons are all over the place. you'll get tons of different suggestions from deleting conflicting data files, to clearing shader cache, to changing how many cores the game uses.
hard to pinpoint exact cause of the crashes
visual aurora
dx12 is quite notorious, server stability and your graphics settings
all else fails, verify, clean reinstall/reboot
blazing tinsel
Well 0 chance of div1 get updated but hey
Hardcore mode was made as a tiny side project by a couple devs who wanted it so its extremely unlikely they have time or interest in updating it
waxen pollen
When it comes to technical failures (disconnections, crashes, etc) I would be very, very cautious of associating this type of risk as "fun". Getting disconnected and losing your HC character can also be seen as punishing players. Devs are fully capable of modifying the code so that disconnects & crashes didn't just waste a month's worth of your effort. They don't. Players enjoy being challenged, not punished. Claiming otherwise is silly.
jade sphinx
its not as easy as "oh lol flip the switch to make people not crash"
waxen pollen
No doubt. Def not easy and I never said it was. However, I don't think any mod should try to minimize players' frustrations by claiming that crashes somehow make the game more "fun".
jade sphinx
ok
north ore
Lol have fun trying to get it back
nimble turtle
Another unscheduled 3 hr outage... maybe they heard you! loz
radiant night
It was announced in game when I was playing last night (MET)
radiant night
(And when I had to defeat the two rogue agents, they caught me right after clearing cp sleeping giant, was trapped and couldn’t run like chicken)
royal pike
fast question: what is this "hardcore" lfg/chat about? Any game content played more seriously, like speedruns etc?
jade sphinx
hardcore is the one life mode in division 2, where if your character goes down and gets fully taken out, that character is unable to be used again
hasty summit
fast question: what is this "hardcore" lfg/chat about? Any game content played m...
It's a mode you can choose when creating a character. With instant death
hasty summit
fast question: what is this "hardcore" lfg/chat about? Any game content played m...
But still declared as beta and therefore not supported (always announced when people report errors)
hasty summit
Why are most of my messages explaining known bugs in HC mode instantly deleted? Not allowed to talk or complaining about it? Free to talk here or all banned by censorship?
radiant night
Hardcore modes are often termed as „permadeath“. My opinion: In „softcore“ there should at least be some penalty, like loss of xp, when you die. In any game.
hasty summit
Just want to warn all people before starting it, because 90% of death announced are caused by freezes or game crashes. So be sure your game is running stable
radiant night
Not such a problem at all on console. Of course there can be lag spikes or even glitched enemies, but that’s it as far as I can say.
I had one conn loss yet, never any game freeze or crash.
hasty summit
It's a PC problem, yes. My friends call this kinds of permadeath meanwhile CTD, crash to death 😆
radiant night
Fellows, I‘m interested in your hardcore-builds. Describe them please and tell why u made them this way or what your goal is.
I really wanna know whatya all do for survivability or how much risk you take. Do u use shield, skills hybrid … whatya think is the safest build and so on.
I‘d also like to know which difficulty and directives you run when you‘re solo or in group or if you play alone at all. And what‘s your favorite spot, which area and so on.
hasty summit
Fellows, I‘m interested in your hardcore-builds. Describe them please and tell w...
Think it depends most on your playstyle. I know people playing well with eg all red items at all diffs. I personally advice to adapt your soft builds and exchange 2,3 items with armor rolled in and regen items, eg 1 belstone and 1 conquereor guard gives lot of it and 4 peace left for skill or dmg builds. Reviver is essentiell, on harder levels or raid unbreakable gives you often a second chance to stay alive
Playing in groups is sure always useful to get revived. Last months I also play a lot solo, because lots of friend have left the hc mode because of dying too much because of game crashes. So unfortunately the hc community has much less people meanwhile than a year ago and matchmaking /find other people is meanwhile nearly impossible
radiant night
All red seems quite gung-ho. I played that way on softcore, on hardcore I use 3 armor cores atm. Nearly all others are red. With better/other gear I‘ll maybe use 2 blue only. Most of my stuff is kinda thrash rolled and I still refuse to put tons of shd points and mats into my dtooc / fast hands M4. Often use m1a also.
Right now I‘m using 3 pcs badger tuff including a really really bad rolled zero f (more safety this time) and 3 pcs walker because I don’t have e. g. fox prayer or other /better stuff. My last death isn’t that long ago.
Because I died two times already at shd lvls and it’s really hard to find groups, I also use bloodsucker and mainly play on hard instead of challenging.
Just yesterday I played summit solo for the first time on hc, first 10 floors.
Goals: Evolving to be able to play challenging solo quite safe (resource convoys and cps). I also think of a negotiator’s build, might work well. Don’t want skill build, shield or hf and other run&gun (always ar/rifle).
(Well at least I safe good skill build pcs for a loadout like that, maybe it works better solo, but I don’t have experience with that yellow stuff)
round mauve
Why are most of my messages explaining known bugs in HC mode instantly deleted? ...
The other Hardcore-mode chat has been purged of all non LFG messages to a certain date, since it is now exclusively for LFGs
Feel free to mention issues and bugs in this chat.
rotund frigate
@radiant nightI think you'd use a variety of builds depending on the content you're doing. I feel like unbreakable and bloodsucker (Or blue cored memento) is almost a must
pallid vessel
Fellows, I‘m interested in your hardcore-builds. Describe them please and tell w...
1x Coyote, 3x Providence, 1x Contractor's/Sombra, 1x Fox's Prayer. All red, CHC & CHD, Unbreakable & Vigilance/Composure/Companion/Bloodsucker. Get yourself either a Diamond Back or M1A Classic, place an assault turret in front of you and force yourself to play in cover and at a distance. From my experience, killing as fast as possible so they don't have time to shoot at you is still the best way to survive, plus using cover and avoiding being cornered. I've done missions and convoys in heroic with this setup quite comfortably. Knowing spawn points is also key here and avoiding Outcasts activities if possible (the suicide huggers are the most dangerous NPCs to me).
sly orchid
i am currently running a HC character and was dissapointed to find no access to stash. Have the dev's ever mentioned this being changed, after its comes out of Beta ?
jade sphinx
no
sly orchid
k thx
hasty summit
The other Hardcore-mode chat has been purged of all non LFG messages to a certai...
Thanks for feedback. But it was not inside lfg chat, but here in this chat also that my messages were multiple times deleted when I just announced/warned about the long time known freeze/crashes issues
round mauve
I'll look into it.
radiant night
1x Coyote, 3x Providence, 1x Contractor's/Sombra, 1x Fox's Prayer. All red, CHC ...
Do you think the assault turret is a better choice for hardcore than the striker drone?
molten wave
Do you think the assault turret is a better choice for hardcore than the striker...
Depends on your play style. It’s not so cut and dry like core. If you don’t move around so much and fight in los of the turret, I believe it adds more damage. However, if you’re mobile the striker is better since it’ll travel with you and have more damage uptime.
pallid vessel
Do you think the assault turret is a better choice for hardcore than the striker...
The drone can make the NPCs turn their backs to you and that's good, on the other hand I feel like it's more easily destroyed than the turret, and when that happens all the NPCs focus on you for the duration of the cooldown. For me it's turret all the way.
sly orchid
i have crashed quite a few times over the last week or so (returning player) on hardcore. But when i load back up it loads me back in no prob to the HC character to continue. Am i just lucky, or is the character wipe after crashing problem fixed now
tame saddle
It's rng, you might be fine after a crash, you might lose your character
sly orchid
k thx
rotund frigate
Do you think the assault turret is a better choice for hardcore than the striker...
I use both, no revive hive. In fact, zero of my builds have a revive hive lol
pallid vessel
k thx
Depends if you crash when in the middle of the NPCs or not, if there's no NPCs in sight when crash you're safe.
Also, I've seen people reporting that after starting the game, going to the Task Manager and killing Easy Anti Cheat fixes the crashes. I haven't tried it myself but there's that going around, your mileage may vary.
rotund frigate
Also, I've seen people reporting that after starting the game, going to the Task...
You don't kill it, per se. You'd set the affinity to just one core as opposed to all cores.
dire mauve
I lost my hc after a crash yesterday
That kills desire lol
Wish more people played hc I hate playing it solo because of it
rotund frigate
Wish more people played hc I hate playing it solo because of it
add me. if i'm on i'll help you out however i can
dire mauve
nice. will do
surreal gust
Just lost my 7 hour character to a crash 😦 v sad
willow plover
How does DZ work in hardcore
jade sphinx
if you die in DZ your character is still considered dead
pallid vessel
How does DZ work in hardcore
Yet, since no one goes there, at least from levels 10-30, I've found it a nice way to level up, killing an NPC there adds a lot more experience than in the open world. The landmarks are at Normal and Hard, if you already know spawn points and don't get too eager it's a good way to vary.
willow plover
if u die there cuz of other people does your character get deleted
jade sphinx
yes
willow plover
so u can be toxic and ruin others day
jade sphinx
yes
radiant night
What has happened with the field proficiency cashes? You don’t get them anymore after lvl up.
(I really need better gear^^)
slow shale
they are moved to once season track is done.
radiant night
Means you don’t get anyone as long as the season is running?
slow shale
no, means you start getting them after you finish the season track.
rotund frigate
no, means you start getting them after you finish the season track.
Why do those that completed the season and don't get those season rewards not get proficiency caches? It's almost like punishing players for finishing the season when it was originally released.
slow shale
Hu?? That’s not how it works.
TLDR: the faster you complete the season track, the faster you start earning proficiency caches again.
rotund frigate
Tell my rewards track that
I haven't gotten rewards for any season in the reruns of those seasons.
and believe me, i would not mind collecting those rewards on my HC toon. Not one bit.
slow shale
Hu? You are mis understanding…..
slow shale
TLDR: the faster you complete the season track, the faster you start earning pro...
You only get proficiency caches once you finish the season track, so this statement is correct. What part of this ^^^ is confusing you?
tame saddle
It used to be glitched in past seasons for some people where they didn't get them after season level 100, it's possible it's back but I know I've been getting mine
slow shale
ah
rotund frigate
You only get proficiency caches once you finish the season track, so this statem...
None of it is confusing. What is confusing however is the decision to not re-issue season rewards while withholding proficiency caches until a player reaches season level 100.
slow shale
dev decision ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
worldly loom
None of it is confusing. What is confusing however is the decision to not re-is...
That's a bug only some people are getting: check the support forum for other people's reports and see what the response is
radiant night
Well I‘m gonna miss dang many proficiency cashes until I finally reach lvl 100. Cheese.
radiant night
None of it is confusing. What is confusing however is the decision to not re-is...
Maybe they want to „motivate“ people to buy that season pass this way, because of the much better rewards it offers. 😬🙊
round mauve
It's an incredibly rare bug that's hitting basically no one.
Also, why is this in HC chat?
molten wave
It started because the person who originally mentioned it was wanting their prof caches to gear up their HC char
sweet seal
probably hopped on his HC character and noticed he wasn't getting the prof caches
OOF, Badgr types faster. XD
molten wave
Growing up on starcraft 1 makes you learn to type quick 😅
sweet seal
I admit it's a kick in the butt I can't re-earn some stuff from seasons on my HC character. I mean, HC doesn't share anything with SC so it's kinda harsh they can't earn the rewards themselves in their own reward track. But I understand programming wise to have HC characters have a separate tracking would be annoying I guess.
radiant night
Say what? What’s true now? Is it a bug or a feature that I don’t get any Prof. cashes anymore for lvl up?
(@ rivens)
I want to be sure before I start questioning at support channel
slow shale
read above ^^^
sweet seal
if u were questioning what I wrote that is unrelated to the bug you're seeing. ignore my chat in regards to ur situation, lol.
rotund frigate
It's an incredibly rare bug that's hitting basically no one.
Also, why is this i...
Because it's affecting HC characters? And way to marginalize those players that are affected by an extremely frustrating bug which the dev team has been "looking into" for the past 6 months. (My bad, it's almost been a year now.)
round mauve
Hardcore Mode was a labour of love done by some dedicated people, not a full official mode. That's why it's called a "beta".
There will be glitches, some are likely to never be fixed, there's no reason to assume malice.
pliant shell
Hey me and a buddy just lost our hardcores. Does anyone have a world tier 5 map we can jump in to borrow please. We only need map please.
hasty summit
Hardcore Mode was a labour of love done by some dedicated people, not a full off...
Are in this beta mode anymore changes except of locking stash and change a death to permadeath? So I think it needed not much development to distinguish between the modes only. Don't understand why it is still labeled d as beta and therefore not supported by service and mostly just rejected when issues are reported - just because of beta label
worldly loom
There's an ongoing discussion on the 'no season rewards' bug here: https://discussions.ubisoft.com/topic/135094/season-rewards-already-claimed/45?lang=en-US
I'd recommend checking through for possible fixes, and what (if any) progress is being made towards a patch
radiant night
Are in this beta mode anymore changes except of locking stash and change a death...
Well, that’s true. I also don’t see any other changes than the stash and the permadeath. Ok, conflict mode is blocked and you can’t boost a character immediately to lvl 30 and NY. I am no game developer, but I’m pretty sure that all this is not such a big effort.
(Of course, I have to admit that on console you don’t have these freezes or crashes)
sly orchid
wait .. no freezes / crashes on console ? Im on PC and afraid to play my HC character anymore due to the almost daily posts on here saying they lost their hc toon. It's so frustrating ... am i right in saying that if you crash when not engaged with NPC's you will likely be ok to load back in and character is retained, but if you in a fight then possible you will lose it ? If so, i suppose if i play with a buddy the risk would be reduced ?
hasty summit
wait .. no freezes / crashes on console ? Im on PC and afraid to play my HC cha...
If you're in fight it depends if your skills, turret and drone handle the npcs. Or in a group depends if other people from team can cover/protect you. Main thing is, if you freeze you are still in game for a few seconds, until you are kicked off. And this seconds you don't see are the important time to stay alive and survive, depending on your group or cover and active skills helping to clear npcs
1 time only I had a great event. Turret and drone out to end boss, in cover. Then a freeze and when I returned end boss was down and boss loot to get. But that was a happy event. In 95 percent I would have died because of the game freeze
sly orchid
ok thx for the tips here. I obviously run revive hive, but what is best to run in the other slot to handle NPC's for a min or so until i can get back on ?
molten wave
Are in this beta mode anymore changes except of locking stash and change a death...
Not so much changes, but things to be aware of that affect hardcore...
a) If you looking to build exotics that drop parts, make sure you don't have any of those exotics in your stash or else the parts wont drop (i.e. chatterbox, nemesis, liberty, etc)
b) That being said, the project to collect the regulus carries over between normal and hardcore, so simply running through IH is enough to get a regulus after a single run.
b.2.) hardcore can raid with normal characters as well, which is nice if you have a raid group you trust to warn you if they're going to wipe.
c) Separate SHD watches of course
d) Even though the seasonal levels are shared over the entire account, the individual manhunts are per character - so if you do happen to lose an agent & come back to SHD level, you can complete those again for the SHD exp bonus.
d.2.) Remember you can complete all the event tracks & redeem them on your hardcore character, as well as GE stars.
If I'm forgetting any other interactions or limitations between normal and hc... I apologize.
sweet seal
random caution note: just be careful with projects and un-favorited items in your stash as your HC character can see inside your stash when donating for projects, don't accidentally donate that pretty lvl 40 end game gear all because it wasn't marked as favorite.
molten wave
I guess as well, you can extract from the DZ and pick up those items on your hardcore. So like a few days ago backpacks were in the DZ and I nabbed memento that was immediately extracted for my hc alt
sweet seal
oh yeah, that one too. the mailbox is shared which is nice. good catch
tame saddle
My mailbox is full of exotics and gear for whenever I need to level up a new HC lol
You can send season caches to your mailbox as well to store up exotics caches your main likely doesn't need
molten wave
You can send season caches to your mailbox as well to store up exotics caches yo...
I'm not too familiar with how to do that - but I've heard a few people mention it. Do you just fill up the 20 caches on a char and then redeem?
tame saddle
Yep. Don't work with the event ones where you spend the event points, just the "redem cache" ones
swift ivy
I'm not too familiar with how to do that - but I've heard a few people mention i...
You have to have an active character to use the event vendor, i.e. you can do the global events with your regular character, and redeem using an existing hardcore character. But these caches never land in your mailbox, which is needed if you want to stash away a head-start for your future hardcore character. For that you can only use the rewards, wait out the week, and let them go to your mailbox.
radiant night
Just finished the polarity event yesterday with non-hc and claimed all the rewards with hc character. (48 red stars spent für named caches, result: just useless stuff like darkness, white death, culebre and so on lol).
(Gonna continue though, quick shd lvls with regular, 1 red star each)
This is also a good method to reach season lvl 100 quicker to get the proficiency cashes again.
silk tartan
You can send season caches to your mailbox as well to store up exotics caches yo...
just tested today, this is no longer feasible, too bad.
swift ivy
just tested today, this is no longer feasible, too bad. <:div2shrug:566985584481...
You can. You have to make sure whichever character you play with is full with 20 caches already
silk tartan
You can. You have to make sure whichever character you play with is full with 20...
yes, I did have 20 caches in storage, even after i tried to put in the 21st. but failed, in order to be 100% sure it’s already full.
swift ivy
You cannot “put” it into the mailbox. It overflows into the mailbox.
silk tartan
You cannot “put” it into the mailbox. It overflows into the mailbox.
i know, but it dropped on floor instead of overflowing into the mailbox
swift ivy
The field proficiency cache will drop to the ground, the season caches will go to the mailbox
radiant night
I spent enough red stars at seasons vendor for at least 20 named item cashes. Hoped for fox, deathgrips, anything useful. Actually every last one of it was total crap. Lightning rod, the darkness, ekim‘s long d… stick, claws out …
I‘m pretty sure I never found claws out ever before. Seriously, what kind of thrash item is this? who the f… needs 500% melee dmg and 8% pistol dmg on wyvern gear anyway and especially on hardcore?! 🤪😂
molten wave
I use it on my regulus build in hardcore.
icy crescent
Claws out (Wyvern) skill tire and melee. Maybe for a shied build.
molten wave
I use punch drunk, memento, chain killer, contractors, claws, & foxs on my reg build with the bulwark - and all cores are rolled red w/HSD wherever I can put it. (1886 w/ranger & emaline’s guard for the main two weapons)
radiant night
I use punch drunk, memento, chain killer, contractors, claws, & foxs on my reg b...
Interesting. No need for pointman?
molten wave
Interesting. No need for pointman?
Naw, need HH in order to keep one tapping going ( to catch them right out the spawn door to wipe the waves out)
radiant night
Today I was doing invaded strongholds with a backup character wt3 gearscore 300-something. I played that toon all alone (as most times) until that point. A clan m8 joined to support me at Roosevelt, with only tidal left after that.
When we completed the mission my buddy fast travelled to white house. I collected some loot marked all the junk, opened proficiency cashes, changed gear, … after the wt-timer ran down, I spawned at the bridge to Roosevelt right among a bunch of enemies and got instantly killed.
1 day 4 hours of gameplay, fuck that.
We talked about that issue while I started new. This happened to me for the first time, maybe because I only played this stuff solo yet, dunno.
Clan member said, best thing you can do is either the whole group fast travels to a safe place after completing the mission or let the wt-timer run down and respawn at missions starting point all together.
I‘m like wtf, why do you spawn among a dozen enemies at all?
molten wave
for going into WT2-4, it'll put you back outfront of the stronghold if you don't fast travel to the WH by the end of the timer. There's a chance that a patrol could be outfront, so what happened to you could happen. For WT1, it automatically puts you in the WH, and WT5 always puts you outside of TB, so the patrol is always a risk there.
willow plover
bois imma make a hardcore character what should I do first when I do it?
radiant night
for going into WT2-4, it'll put you back outfront of the stronghold if you don't...
Ok, i didn’t know that yet. Thanks for your answer.
radiant night
bois imma make a hardcore character what should I do first when I do it?
Just start and as usual and keep changing your gear.
-and
willow plover
and?
radiant night
bois imma make a hardcore character what should I do first when I do it?
Get the reviver hive as first skill, of course. When you reach levels where you use the same gear for a while, future perfect on weapon is useful imo.
Unbreakable on chest and bloodsucker on bp is nice, too
But before something like lvl 25-30 you just use whatever u get as usual. In my opinion it’s still worth to change some talents then on hardcore.
Of course you could ask someone to pull you through all the missions 😬 but I played several characters solo until tidal basin which is no big deal. Just take your time.
Only be careful at viewpoint museum (destroying the three jammers, boss „wade“) and Roosevelt island.
You can also play alone on NY, but I don’t recommend that for the bosses there, especially keener.
As soon as you can craft superior or high-end gear, don’t hesitate to craft a weapon of your choice. My advice: craft your favorite gun until you get it with future perfect, there can’t be many different talents and future perfect is the best at that point.
(Though you have reviver on one skill slot, the drone or turret alone will be very effective this way, especially with some +skill tiers from your gear)
Collect all materials and every piece of junk you can get to sell it. When you reach higher lvls you maybe want to buy something at vendor, like gear mods at shade lvls, and you need the money for recalibration, optimization.
Put your first perks into xp boost, then into bigger inventory.
Some side missions reward you with bigger mags. I recommend to get them asap, at least for your favorite weapon class.
I hope this helps you a bit.
Very important thing on hardcore: don’t rush, never ever rush. I mean… just don’t do it, you gonna regret it.
Even more important: DDMF
Sooner or later you gonna die, everybody dies on division hardcore. So imo it’s not bad to star a backup character before the 1st is gone.
star*
start* ffs😁
Good luck 🤙
molten wave
So, since apparently the new mode may be pve - and hardcore is allowed into summit, what do y’all think the chances are HC can get into it?
rotund frigate
you're implying Ubi even remembers HC exists lol
molten wave
With all the PC players we got in here, should be easy enough for them to hop onto the PTS and we should have an answer on friday. But yea, I'm not to optimistic. That being said, I feel like they have to go out of their way to include the extra code/logic to prevent HC from entering, so unless it would take extra logic to include HC in the mode (like conflict respawning) I figure they may let it slide
molten wave
any PC hc players able to see if you're able to get into countdown on the pts? making a new hc on the pts results in a 40 normal character apparently
tame saddle
you can play on HC. I tried being invited the same way you can get invited to a reguluar raid on a HC character and that didnt work, but I just did a matchmaking and got in. Seems you can MM with any kind of character which seems like a bug
molten wave
awesome, thanks for the answer
radiant night
There is a new pve mode? What it’s like?
tiny depot
Its an 8 player mode set in the Nuclear power station outside of DC. Its timed for a 15 minute countdown to complete the whole thing, you fail the mission if you do not complete it before that.
tiny depot
You complete 3 randomised objectives that work in a similar way to summit objectives, then you need to restart the reactor, then extract out. Theres enemies all the way to extraction, and hunters will appear at the beginning and near extraction.
worldly loom
so far (scaling is apparently broken but will be fixed) it's easily completable with fewer than 8 players too
molten wave
I'm assuming failing doesn't mean killing the players like boss 3 of IH 😅
slow shale
Failing will probably kill the players
molten wave
Do we know if there's an option to quit mid-mode like in raiding & conflict? So worst case scenario HC can back out?
slow shale
not sure
thorn inlet
hi
radiant night
You complete 3 randomised objectives that work in a similar way to summit object...
Thank you.
Well, usually you don’t die if you fail at the mission objectives like e. g. a timer runs down.
molten wave
Well, usually you don’t die if you fail at the mission objectives like e. g. a t...
Yea, I think IH is the exception to that rule with boss 3. I can't think of another one off the top of my head
radiant night
I can’t find anything new on the DC map.
tiny depot
@radiant night Its on the PTS servers at the moment, and only available to PC players as it is on PTS.
It will probably go live in around a month or so
radiant night
It will probably go live in around a month or so
Good to know. Thank you!
frank flame
Heyy just started on playstation again after i beat the game on pc like a year ago, wanted to try hardcore im lvl 6 any tips going on?
radiant night
Did the missing 20 summit floors for the exotic cache thought I didn’t really wanted to. Because I expected useless exo… got waveform yaayyy
radiant night
Heyy just started on playstation again after i beat the game on pc like a year a...
Scroll up a bit to 03/27, I made a little monologue about that question. It might help you a bit.
frank flame
Oki read it all but whats ddmf?
radiant night
Heyy just started on playstation again after i beat the game on pc like a year a...
I answered I player named whoosh
radiant night
Oki read it all but whats ddmf?
„Don’t die motherf..ker“ 😁
I‘ve recognized I didn’t write anything about the specialization. I mainly use gunner on dps/armor build.
On skill build technician of course, but I habe no clue about the other specs.
have*
frank flame
Okayy rn im doing a shield build early game
worldly loom
Did the missing 20 summit floors for the exotic cache thought I didn’t really wa...
You really want to be stockpiling exotics right now, once expertise is introduced you'll need loads of the components to upgrade your gear (towards the highest levels, anyway)
I guess for HC you don't have stash space, so try and get the caches to land in your mailbox
radiant night
I guess for HC you don't have stash space, so try and get the caches to land in ...
Well yeah, I need the bunch of useless exotics as long as I can. Never know if I need the components. What’s expertise? Does that come along with the new content?
(I keep the bunch … of course)
worldly loom
Yeah, it's part of the current pts. New equipment leveling system. Details are pinned in the pts channel
Apparently it currently takes over 100 exotic components to fully level a single weapon
(but tbf it will usually take months of play to even reach the part where you CAN fully level anything)
Materials cap is being increased though, so as soon as the content goes live the cap will be raised to 100
radiant night
Nice. Thank you kettle. (They really should bring a stash into hc mode.) Gonna check the pinned details
Just read the patch notes. The debuffs on shield seems reasonable.
seem*
Two pieces Uzina Getica sound sooo sexy for a hardcore dps/armor build like mine.
peak sphinx
Can some send me a build for legendary build please
round mauve
This chat is for the permadeath mode of div2, not a "hardcore" playstyle.
I wouldn't recommend doing Legendary in Hardcore unless you're very experienced.
very experienced.
echo flint
so i havent played this and im curious, what happens when you reach the end of the game in hardcore?
is it still permadeath? do you get some reward?
tiny depot
Hardcore plays the same as the normal mode, just with you only having the one life. Theres a lot of people building the SHD levels on hardcore
The one life remains regardless of level
echo flint
so say if i were to die while at level 40 after completing the seasons and all that, that means its permadeath?
cuz i cant tell if this is just something for fun or if its rewarding
slow shale
yes still permadeath because its hardcore mode.
molten wave
On the bright side, manhunt objectives are per character - so if you die and come back up you get the bonus exp for completing each section again
radiant temple
Its for the adrenaline of knowing if you die it really matters, the only way to know it is experience it, but thers noting like being corned in a tough figth, no repair kits and little ammo and getting out alive knowing that if you died it was it
Of course then you crash and all goes to hell, but we don't talk abut that
lapis jackal
Does watch level and talents on workbench share between hardcore agents?
I mean if my 1st agent has fo example 1k shd lvl and unlocked all talents and died unlucky. Does the newly hc agent get features if he gets there or start from scratch?
pallid vessel
Does watch level and talents on workbench share between hardcore agents?
Workbench library, talents and shared materials, those can all be accessed from your Hardcore agent. SHD points, no. The Hardcore agents share a "pool" of SHD points between themselves (for example, if you reach 300 SHD points on your Hardcore and you die, if you create another Hardcore character, when you defeat Keener and get the SHD watch, you'll get your 300 SHD back and continue from there), but the normal character SHD points do not crossover to the Hardcore agent.
lapis jackal
Oh, that's good! Just created a new hc agent and didn't reach so far yet to be able check things at workbench. Thank you very much for details! Salute!
Ah, just one more question - How about items on agent and in backpack when hardcore agent dies? You lost'em all without return?
lapis jackal
Okay! It's not a big deal i guess, since we can get items in relative easy way. :) Thanks again for tips! 
nimble turtle
For me, a big part of the buzz, is longevity. How long can you play and how much can you do, before losing your toon. I am conservative, but have many 100s of hrs of HC play, on multiple toons/accts, every day alive is a new page.
rotund frigate
I do dumb shit and I'm still alive somehow
radiant temple
I only died to crahes, and keener... but had many close calls in the open world, engaging a hard site and geting a bad spawn/patrol flanking me
visual aurora
pulse paranoia helps
radiant night
Looking for „chill out“ I made all cps several times in the gila guard loot target area yesterday and also all bounties there (6 or 7). I got nightwatch 4 times and 3 times pointman. Fck off.
And without a stash I can dismantle stuff like gift, Virginian, … that’s sad but can’t carry all stuff for like half a dozen builds with me all the time.
Question: I never played technician before just unlocked it lately. Though I already got the +1 Tier from the specialization my stats still say „skill tier 5“. I‘m using 5 items with +1 st, so it should be 6 but says 5.
What’s wrong there?
nimble turtle
Chill out mask was seasonal gift only, not available now, maybe at another event in future.
round mauve
^ Likely Christmas at the latest.
radiant night
Chill out mask was seasonal gift only, not available now, maybe at another event...
Bruh. Oh no, ok me so stupid. And that one black tusk bounty freaked me out, the target used defender drones, blinder firefly and seekers. Has to use 2 armor kits, was like „fck me this is sick“.
Had chill out but that toon died and yeah, now I remember that I got it around Xmas. Dang I’m such a fool.
Had*
But what about that skill tier thing? Bug or feature? Clan member couldn’t tell me.
nimble turtle
When u have the 'free tier' attribute of the Tech specialization, you will always get an extra tier. It is visible in the 'yellow tier count bar' at the lower left of your display. Depending on your goals, it might serve as your 1 & only Yellow core, or it can add a tier to other pcs that have yellow (I use lots of skill builds). In HC mode (hardcore), many dont use yellow/skill, but it can be very powerful, but is all a function of how YOU play.
Not sure where u are seeing Skill Tier 5, but understand that it is the free 1 + # of yellows you have on 6 base pcs. Small diff when you have 6 core yellows, you will at times effect overcharge, but that is OT. DM if you want to discuss deeper.
brittle sluice
So is it right there is no stash for hard-core characters?
slow shale
Correct
worldly loom
But what about that skill tier thing? Bug or feature? Clan member couldn’t tell ...
if one of your '5 items with +1 st' is the named Kard Custom pistol, be aware that it only gives you that skill tier when it's actually unholstered and in your hand.
radiant night
if one of your '5 items with +1 st' is the named Kard Custom pistol, be aware th...
I know. I didn’t count the +1 from the KARD custom.
I‘m using waveform, 2pcs empress (incl. Caesars), force multiplier, 1 pc wyvern. For better survivability I picked maxrolled gila guard kneepads with skill damage.
So with the specialization it should be skill tier 6. but the bars displayed at the lower left of the inventory screen never work at all, they just stay white. I only see them red when inspecting other players‘ loadouts.
In that same screen, above the skill tier bars, where the amount of attributes/cores is shown in numbers, it says „5“ next to the yellow „skill square thing“. When I switch the kneepads to e. g. another Hana-u pc it turns to 6.
As if the +1 from the specialization wouldn’t work at all.
worldly loom
What about when you deploy a skill? If it has a proxy (eg drone) then it should show the skill tier on that too.
radiant night
What about when you deploy a skill? If it has a proxy (eg drone) then it should...
Oh. Yeah, I didn’t realize that yet. Sorry, just started that skill build thing 🙈. Next time I play I‘ll take a look at that and tell here. I still prefer the dmg/armor build, but skill-build seems a little more safe at heroic.
I still wonder why these skill bars in the inventory screen never change at all, no matter what gear I use.
radiant night
This or gloves 2nd pc belstone, armor/chc/chd?
(No dmg to armor, but another 10% armor for a total of 20% due gunner spec)
I mean armor on kill of course, sorry
radiant night
What about when you deploy a skill? If it has a proxy (eg drone) then it should...
Ok, drone says skill lvl 6
lusty fog
Are delta error deaths common in HC?
molten wave
Are delta error deaths common in HC?
They seem most common in PC, not sure about PS - but I’ve only had one delta death since hc has released on XB
lusty fog
thanks
cold verge
watch me run hardcore without using a single hive skill lol
radiant night
You mean the reviver hive? Many ppl don’t use it, for example with afk skill build turret/drone or if they use shield.
I mainly use armor/dps with two blue cores, that’s my favorite build, and because it’s Skill tier zero, I never go without the reviver. Of course it feels better to have it with you on hardcore.
On the other hand, when you die the reviver sometimes doesn’t help at all. It can be jammed or destroyed or you immediately go down again after being revived.
In my opinion the reviver and also unbreakable (bloodsucker, too) make sense on builds based on weapon damage. But skill or hybrids … I don’t think so. But most other players are more experienced than me with these builds, I think.
frank flame
watch me run hardcore without using a single hive skill lol
xD better use some perfect glass canon, perfect item for me in hc 😆
cold verge
You mean the reviver hive? Many ppl don’t use it, for example with afk skill bui...
ok mr. buzzkill
frail jackal
I always run a revive hive, it's saved my HC agent a couple of times
But I run an all red build with Negotiators Dilemma set, Coyotes Mask and unbreakable on chest.
works great on heroic
radiant night
But I run an all red build with Negotiators Dilemma set, Coyotes Mask and unbrea...
You don’t even run 1 or 2 armor cores? Which weapons? I saved the best ND stuff I found and want to make a build with that. I think about 4 pcs nd, ceska, fenris or grupo, ar and rifle, maybe the Virginian or even diamondback, dunno.
round mauve
In PvE, a single armour core is effectively pointless, as is even 2/3 with no Shield.
If you play smart, an all-Red build is more than effective enough to handle Heroic.
frail jackal
I use an ACR-E with Ranger, and Ceska chest with Coyotes mask. All reds but I do use unbreakable and a decoy incase things get tasty. @radiant night
radiant night
In PvE, a single armour core is effectively pointless, as is even 2/3 with no Sh...
Yea maybe. But because I play solo very often (lack of hc-players), I usually run 2 armor cores+unbreakable. Damage is still good enough for solo gameplay. Atm I think of changing bp from bloodsucker into „the gift“.
round mauve
It really can not be underestimated just how useless blue cores are on non-shield builds.
I'm sure there's some niche build out there that can make use of them, but most of the time you're just burning DPS for being able to take an extra half of a bullet
radiant night
That’s true, armor is going down fast. 2 cores with unbreakable mean about 400k after all. 1.1m feels better than 700k. I also run 20% armor on kill (had 30% once) which is nice when playing a little bit more aggressive.
radiant night
I use an ACR-E with Ranger, and Ceska chest with Coyotes mask. All reds but I do...
Ok thanks 4 Info. Lost my last coyote a while ago and didn’t get a new one since then.. Tons of exotics but of course not the one you might actually use, as usual 🤪
radiant night
What has been censored?
rotund frigate
The fact that a lot of us blue core because of the freeze crashes.
radiant night
Ah I c
rotund frigate
Believe me, we can do math. We know we are leaving damage on the table. We just don't have any other choice since the issue has basically gone ignored.
we need to survive whatever content we are doing at a moment's notice and we don't choose that moment.
for a minumum of 4 seconds
radiant night
That’s nuts. I don’t think l‘d play hardcore on pc like that.
I still can see your message
radiant night
LOL I have to admit that was my thought, too.
Nevertheless just died about 1 hour ago.
Just not enough hc players around. When solo all the time you die like let’s say each gew hundred shd lvls I think.
radiant night
few*
rotund frigate
i was skill build and made a bad toss on a turret
went to grab turret and got shredded in roosevelty
in the "Earl" room
radiant night
Well I got backup character, but a shit ton of stuff gone like complete kickass drone/turret build waveform ceasars force multiplier and so on.
Very good dps build and stuff like the gift, Virginian. Dang why is there no stash
radiant night
Hell yeah
rotund frigate
like if youve done hc 1-40 like 10 times
you get NY
but the dev team cant even fix chat links lol
radiant night
That would be cool. Good idea
radiant night
What’s the earl room? I just try to comprehend
Can’t remember
That’s what often annoys me. Placing the turret in a good position. I prefer playing red build. But on heroic skill build seems more safe.
I was playing solo cps and side activities. Picked a true sons elite patrol. Got a little close and the elite guy had MGL.
Many others suddenly joined the fight including riot foam very close to me, had to bring him down. Then simply got killed by the grenade launcher dude. 1 hit shredded all 1.1m armor plus unbreakable plus nearly all health (!) Some other enemy downed me and grenade dude destroyed my hive.
It’s always like you play solo for hours and hours without any problem but suddenly there is that moment when you get overwhelmed.
Fck me, just lately had the m4, dtooc, fast hands and other gear fully optimized. I also liked my liquid engineer with red cores a lot.
That’s what really annoys me. You die and lose enough kickass gear for like 3 or 4 toons, just because you got no stash. This is truly a „Beta“.
terse cape
Should I start a Hardcore Agent?
radiant night
Why not, if you can handle that you gonna die sometimes.
terse cape
Ok.
radiant night
I recommend getting a regular character to shd level 1000+ first before starting hardcore.
rotund frigate
Earl room is 3 pulls in then the 2 chungas come down.
terse cape
I recommend getting a regular character to shd level 1000+ first before starting...
My SHD level is 22.
rotund frigate
"Is that supposed to be helpful Earl... because it isn't."
SHD isn't important imo
radiant night
"Is that supposed to be helpful Earl... because it isn't."
Aah yea know I see