td2-hardcore-mode-chat

[radiant night]

When you have a shd 1000+ you can easily get shd points for upgrading your gear when you need some.
It’s also nice to unlock event rewards with your regular character and claim them with your hardcore.

[rotund frigate]

As long as you have a short memory you'll be fine lol

[radiant night]

Muwhahaha

Well I like being able to get a gear piece maxrolled even if it’s quite expensive. Having a few hundred shd left is a good thing.

Fck me lost all these exotics which I mainly saved for the forthcoming update. I heard that you might need to dismantle lots of exos then for the mats. Dunno.

(The 10% overall boost with shd lvl 1000 isn’t bad too imo)

Especially on hc where you enjoy any % improvement.

[rotund frigate]

It's just time.

Time replaces all those things.

[radiant night]

Yeah, that’s right. But I better should try to play less solo.

Reminder to myself: more safety distance from elite patrols next time lol

Though usually they‘re whack. Have no clue how one of his grenades could cause so much dmg. Their rate of fire is quite high for grenades.

But you where in a group when playing Roosevelt legendary, I think?

They couldn’t revive you?

[rotund frigate]

nah it was a hard down.

it was either a bomber drone or airburst that was the killing blow.

[sly bear]

Lately have seen a lot of HC players out there, saw one with a 4005 watch, can’t believe I was a WT5 HC for 2 years, so afraid of Keener. Now I help folks run through that mission all the time

[molten wave]

For sure - even been able to answer calls for help in HC in the last few weeks - and never had it successfully ring in hc before

[sly bear]

The grind is real though, getting complacent on hard or challenging is easy, I’m only watch level 185 working the season pass, daily and weekly project. I did the pass 2 global events without an major incident, love guardians but that global event killed my HC so had to recreate another one… just got him back yesterday

[nimble turtle]

Answering the call can be V sketchy in HC. Someone about to croak for wrong reason, and you spawn right into their nightmare... bye bye

[molten wave]

Got a truepat build I use to running people up at wt0 - 4 pc true pat (inc bp), tardi, 1 pc belstone w/chamel ... plenty of damage and keeps any accidents from happening

[zealous sky]

Holy fuck, watch level 4k on hardcore? That's insane

[sly bear]

Yeah I tried to ask for help but and be friends but they didn’t respond

[radiant night]

Yea, that’s the reason why most people don’t respond to backup calls (including me, I have to admit). You could spawn just where you get killed immediately if you‘re unlucky.

These calls barely appear and sometimes I was like „come on, I would like to help“, but didn’t join the other player in the end.

[tame saddle]

The backup system doesn't really work anyways for HC since the notifications aren't split between normal and HC players, and you can't join the normal ones. Since the HC player base is so low, basically every call for backup is likely a normal player you can't even join.

[radiant night]

Well, I thought so, too. But as I get nearly no calls when playing hc and get many while playing normal I started to suppose that it is split. While on hc I only get (normal) calls from clan members and barely other calls but often by always the same player wasn’t sure about that anymore.

[glacial mural]

I know this ain't the place for whining but I just lost my level 26 agent for seemingly no reason when I logged off last night I was in the BoO when I went too play this morning I was dead I know I ain't getting em back I'm just tryna figure out what happened I am positive im the only one with access too my account so what happened?

This ain't even the first HC agent I've lost for dumb reasons like sometimes getting shot by certain named enemies mainly the 7 of hearts boots me back too menu and I instantly die when I relog the character I'm at the point of being so frustrated with losing my agent over such dumb bugs I'm thinking of just stopping playing hardcore till ubi does some sort of fix

[lusty nebula]

Hardcore mode had no updates since..... I even forgot when it was released, lol

[radiant night]

I’ve never heard that before. If you where in the BoO and logged out. How could you be dead? Maybe little brother ripped your character or something like that?
I don’t know how it is like on Xbox, but on PS you nearly never get „delta error“ or a timeout due conn loss. These are mainly problems for pc players.
I also don’t know about the second issue you described. How exactly do you die after the relog?
Though you probably won’t get your characters back, I‘d still report these things to the tech support.

[glacial mural]

For the first thing I'm trying to find that out myself and for the second when I relog the character usually I'm around where I deconned then all my armor and health drops imemdiately and my hive doesn't pop out and I bleed too death

[radiant night]

Just lately I disconnected from the game server (afair for the very first time), though my internet connection was fine.

After i relogged I was just standing at the same position (true sons area next to a cp) when I had the timeout. I guess when that happens your character remains in the game for a while and if there where enemies at the moment I lost conn I would have been dead.

I think that happened to you and after you relogged the game just „displayed“ to you what happened respectively what you missed, but in fact you where already dead.

These are only my suppositions, but I know these things from several online games.

[sly bear]

@molten wave thanks for getting my watch back that was one of the smoothest and quickest NY runs

[molten wave]

Yea man no problem

[radiant night]

I also died at an event once( forgot the name) where the enemies get revived. I was doing supply convoys on challenging with a view directives, when too many others joined the fight plus I had to kill all the revived ones.
Since then I never activate the events on hardcore anymore. The polarity or the lately guardian event was even worse for hardcore imo.
Good luck with your new agent.

(I always use my normal character for the event tasks and claim the rewards with hc toon)

[marsh tinsel]

Just started my 1st hc figured I'd give it a try

[round mauve]

@orchid aspen You've already been told to not spam and where to post. This is your last warning.

[orchid aspen]

@round mauve better?

[round mauve]

Reminder that this channel is for discussions about HC mode, to LFG for it please hop down to #lfg-hardcore-mode

[frank flame]

Well I just thought I'd like to announce that I completed my first ever hardcore dark hours raid 2 days ago. Was the best feeling ever. Me and my team worked hard for it. And it's the greatest achievement that we did in this game. 💪

[haughty cloak]

what do you get for doing hc?

[torpid compass]

satisfaction for beating the game without hard downing

[frank flame]

Hardcore arm patch and a commendation

[glacial mural]

Never quite known fear like encountering a hunter while my hive is on cd

thankfully it was just a watcher but still nerve-wracking

[sly bear]

The patch and commendation that very few in the game have

Massive bragging rights in my opinion

[glacial mural]

So I just blew up upon completing the tutorial segment wasn't even nothing around lol just got the objective for dawn's early light and promptly exploded

I'm more confused than angry ngl

[lethal pine]

Haha that’s rough 🤣😭

[glacial mural]

I still have a laugh over it I don't intend on reporting the bug cause it's so funny and mostly harmless

[white turret]

Discord for hardcore ?

[round mauve]

#lfg-hardcore-mode is where to go for LFG, discussions go in this channel.

[molten wave]

FYI, brand new season starts next thursday - so if you have anything left to get from the current one, get it done asap (picking up skill variants for your current HC char, finishing manhunt sections for bonus xp, etc)

[glacial mural]

Just capped out theater for the first time in hardcore feeling good

Slowly but surely on my way too the patch

[radiant night]

I did Conley solo with my new character because I just had no support. But didn’t want to take the risk to do tombs or bank or even keener alone. I‘m not sure but I was like „ok I guess Conley is the easiest for solo gameplay.“

So I started another one lately, need a new backup character anyway. Yesterday he finished tidal basin and I played this toon only solo, too. It took me about 28h playtime. Could be faster but I also collected most of the shd techs and finished every project, so I took my time.

Finishing DC completely alone is a real piece of cake compared to NY.

[slim heart]

Does anyone know of any active HC Mode clans out there that do a bit of everything?

[minor rampart]

I've ran through 3 agents, always solo, 48hrs average to complete tier1-NY.

And no @slim heart , but if you find one let me know? ;)

[molten wave]

for PC I think DDMF does a bit of everything but not sure.

[nimble turtle]

Soup to Nuts, we does it all

Carried quite a few new folks into WTs

[slim heart]

@molten wave Yup, I've gotten 2 invitations to it. Thanks 🙂

[radiant night]

What are the best builds to pull others through the story fast (also keener)?

I want to make such a support build

[radiant night]

Did you do the NY bosses including keener alone?

[tame saddle]

ND, memento, and lady death

[radiant night]

Ok. What about status effect builds? I never tried one of those. And what’s best for a safe keener support?

I mean … ND might not be the best choice for keener, or?

Lately I had help in NY an the hostiles instantly got burn applied and dropped like flies. I forgot to inspect the gear 😬😄

and*

[tame saddle]

@nimble turtle is the guy to ask aboyt HC burn builds

ND is one of the simplist ways to go through missions fast, memento and a shield will give you all the survivability you need, especially for story mode but you can also reroll 1 or 2 ND cores to blue if you want. lady death is for the speed

for keener, the best trick I can give you is to run technition and place a skill at your feet before he jumps down. This will prevent you from being shocked, and you can kill him before the game thinks your supposed to be able to do damage. the quicker you kill keener the better, since the longer the fight goes on the more time he has to set up his skills and make yours useless

[radiant night]

Cool, thanks for your tipps. I didn’t know that with the placed skill at keener yet, mainly run dps builds.
Gonna try that ND build, have to collect again first, just back at shd lvls. I like the ND set anyway.

[molten wave]

Keep in mind that memento doesn’t get tokens when running through wt0

(But for some reason side missions always drop tokens from enemies regardless of wt)

[tame saddle]

Yeah the memento is super weird. When I'm leveling people I've got a WT1 account, then run them through on my 40, so memento will work there. And if your leveling through NYC the memento will only drop tokens if you have a level 40 in the group.

[radiant night]

That’s weird, I think of another piece than memento.

[rotund frigate]

Seeker spam is a nice one too. if you're the 40, 1 China light, 1 wyvern, 3 empress, 1 hana u. Chest talent is Skilled, Backpack is Bloodsucker. You should have quite a few seeker procs so you can immediately throw another one.

Burn builds dont work, if you're thinking eclipse, because the skill damage hit kills the reds/purps. In short they wont spread to the rest of the room the way they do on Normal/Hard mode

But I use 4 piece HF, 2 pc belstone with bloodsucker/unbreakable just to be safe, chatterbox, crusader shield and artificer hive

[radiant night]

Thanks. Seeker spam or ND I think, depends on what gear I gonna find, just back to shd lvls since a few days.

Anyone knows what it’s like with the new countdown mode in hc? If time runs out you‘re dead? Didn’t even try it on normal mode yet. Gonna check it out tonight.

[worldly loom]

it would be risky in HC, you don't die if you fail to extract (you just miss out on some of the rewards) but the extraction phase is kind of tricky with loads of black tusk & hunters constantly attacking

[molten wave]

Is there any part of countdown that would cause a character death? Outside of getting shot obv (just out of town till Sunday so can’t get in the mode to see atm)

[radiant night]

I only tried it one time yet, but yes,the extraction phase was quite hot. Summed up my 1st impression was that countdown is well quite well done.

[slim heart]

I thought I was delta during the Agent Edwards mission, had forgotten how the mission had gone. lol... 😅

[last meadow]

what are these hunter tags needed for from countdown ?

[worldly loom]

they just increase the amount of tokens you get at the end of a countdown round for the vendor

[rustic wigeon]

what is hc?

[worldly loom]

Hardcore

[radiant night]

My latest dps setup: 3 providence, 1 uzina, 1 gila, ceska, unbreakable, bloodsucker, 2 armor cores rest is red, gunner spec

m4 dtooc fast hands, m1a or bakers dtooc; 60/150 crit.

Question: fox prayer really better here than ceska? I‘m not so sure anymore.

(Ceska or grupo, depends. But same question)

I wonder if the better crit stats might be better as long as I got dtooc on the guns

For the record: Yes. I actually do feel remarkably more safe with the 2 armor cores and the +10%

[frail jackal]

whats ur chc/chd with foxes

[radiant night]

What WAS my chc/chd 😁 That character died lately but I’m already close to that setup again. But atm I got no foxes and not exactly the same build. Foxes instead of ceska would mean 50-51 chc instead of 60. foxes instead of grupo would be 15% less chd.
So that’s basically what I’m about, but I mean that question in general.

[frail jackal]

If you're losing chance and damage, then go with grupo@radiant night

[radiant night]

Thank you for the reply. (Another one for the record: Died while I was trying a heartbreaker set build)

[frail jackal]

Ouch

I still have my original HC character, on shd lvl 120. I don't want to play HC when the game crashes every 15 mins

[radiant night]

Oh no, no problem, I talked about the same death as before. Just wanted to mention that I didn’t die with my favorite build the dps/armor.

[radiant night]

Also I had a backup character somewhere in NY which got me back to shd levels after less than 2 hours.

When I don’t have a hardcore party and don’t wanna go alone with my main char, I play the backup dudes.

(It’s no real problem to play through whole DC story solo imo)

[radiant night]

Crashes are not that big problem on PS of course. There barely are any Deltas or timeouts.

But I gotta say that since the last update my whole group of 4 players delta‘d one time while the boss and some enemies at a DZ landmark where still around.

Little creepy that was.

[sonic lily]

so..is hardcore still in beta or it's already finished.

[radiant night]

I wouldn’t call it a real beta. I think it’s still called that way to prevent people from complaining if they die due a delta error or game crash.

Or maybe because there is no stash in hardcore which they never invented lol

No real „beta“-typical problems I’d say, at least on console.

I can only recommend to try hardcore. It’s much more fun imo and when you die, well, screw it and start over again. Shd levels, mats, expertise, unlocked specs are account wise and with enough time you will get your beloved gear again. At least there‘s something you can improve.

On the other hand I wonder what is the reason to have more than 1 softcore character on which you can use every spec and 16 or so loadouts.

[oak hare]

Honestly I think its fun my little guy is like 4 cool though enjoy it but I'm grinding at moment so yeah

[sonic lily]

Im...not sure if deathloop is gonna be my cup of tea.

[radiant night]

Well, i can’t say anything about issues on PC, as I’m playing on console. But the hardcore mode as such is as less a beta than the „softcore“ mode.
Imo a real good challenge, and you gotta think and be careful much more which means bigger fun for me.

[molten wave]

Yea I couldn’t imagine doing hardcore on PC with how often I hear about them crashing. Think PS is next since I hear about blue screens occasionally, and then XB seems to be the most stable for some reason

[gloomy cape]

It would be much cooler if the hardcore mode was a darkzone PvP only thing. kinda pointless in PvE.

Actually I think that could be kind of amazing.

No rogue, none of the silly mechanics, just straight pvp one life darkzone.

[jolly heath]

dude that would be sick

[radiant night]

Sure sure, you play your character a few days straight just to tear it apart in a few seconds in the DZ and to start all over again. Nonsense.

[round mauve]

To LFG for Hardcore (permadeath) mode, please refer to #lfg-hardcore-mode

[visual ginkgo]

what level?

[round mauve]

Any level, just LFG there for Hardcore.

[swift ivy]

“No rogue” and “straight pvp” does not make sense.

[stuck lake]

It...It does though?

I'd love to see a game where we're in a place like Chicago and the system's so fucked up due to both time and govt. mismanagement of the apocalypse that the entire city is PvPvE with the ability to go Rogue being a much more permanent decision.

Like Manhunts sticking even after fights end and being a player's wanted level.

[radiant night]

Do you really think that PvPvE-thing would match with hardcore/permadeath game-modes? What about the game balance between beginners and people who already finished the grind for the very best gear? Many hc players would surely not like to do any pvp with their hard earned and long played characters.

Don’t get me wrong, I love pvp too, for example the awesome 4vs4 matches on GR Wildlands.

But I also love hardcore/permadeath gameplay and I think it’s really easy to understand why „conflict“ isn’t available for hardcore characters 😉

[manic schooner]

Will a game crash delete my character?

[worldly loom]

potentially yes (more likely if you're out in a hostile area, less likely - but still possible - if you're in a safehouse)

[radiant night]

Do you guys finish all side missions, liberation projects, shd techs even with your xx character?
I always end up clearing the whole map even when I didn’t want to 😆

What about the loot caches in NY safe houses/Haven which you open for 5 shd techs each … I always wait to open them until I reach lvl 40, so that I maybe get some gear I can use further than just a few levels.

[swift ivy]

What is “xx character“?

[radiant night]

Your 5th 10th 18th whatever

[swift ivy]

I do, my characters now live so long, I already collected all non-seasonal comms. I might start with seasonal comms, now some of them are far over a year old.

[low jungle]

I am nearly at liberty island with my first ever HC character, super excited but scared xD

[molten wave]

Just remember the shock ammo for keener and you'll be fine. Remember, he cant hack the shield or pulse - and can only drop the decoy, so you have 3 safe skill choices

[viral raven]

This was pretty much what survival was in TD1. Every game you started with just a pistol. Just you only got to use that character for 1-2 hours before you died from green poison or you extracted in the DZ.

[swift ivy]

You do get the benefit of earning caches in D1 Survival. So it is a meaningful activity for the benefit of your main characters. If only D2 would recover the gear of a died hardcore character by sending them into the mailbox, for instance, it would convince far more players to play hardcore…

[neon shuttle]

I'm just wondering, If I fail in countdown mode using my Hardcore character, will it also game over for me?

[tame saddle]

Yes

[swift ivy]

It is “over” from all manners of death, e.g. DZ, raids, etc. Only thing to remember is failing objectives does not count as death.
There is also a situation that I never encountered myself: Another team member resetting the game while your hive is picking you up. But I assume you will be alive.

[round mauve]

Stand between the cannon and the door in the Capitol stronghold if you want a fast way back to the loading screen.

[zealous steppe]

I just started a new Hardcore character a few days ago

[severe wolf]

For raid hardcore commendation , you need to be at level 30 or 40 ? At which level is it easier to get that commendation ?

[tame saddle]

Either work, 40 is easier/safer

[zealous steppe]

Is the Dark Zone also in Hardcore mode?

[molten wave]

Yes

[frank flame]

I've just got into HC-mode after 5.000+ SHD-levels (old + new account), and instantly the game became more satisfying and intense. I appreciate the mechanics and open world interaction much more now. Turned "Neutral Lightning" on for one session, and holy moly you have a totally new respect for the surroundings and lurking dangers!

Question: When main campaign and WoNY are completed in HC-mode, and if you die, do you have to start the whole story-grind over again - or is there any workaround this? I mean, it took me 31 hours just to reach NY.

[jade sphinx]

When you die, your character is deleted.

[frank flame]

Yeah, I get that. But, has the game some sort of "completion thing" so after main campaigns are completed in HC-mode U don't have to replay them again but can go strait to NY (boosted character)? It seems a little too expensive to invest another 40 hours just to reach SHD lvl. 1 again 🙂

[jade sphinx]

Nope. Full reset. Nothing is saved except SHD level if you made it that far.

[molten wave]

At this point I think I can get from 1-40 in about 12ish hours, as long as I got a friend with me. It gets a lot faster after you do it a dozen or so times 😅 🤣

and yea, your SHD levels is saved - so you always have progress that way

[frank flame]

...and just to be sure (noob, I know); do my HC-character and main-character share same SHD-level - so, when I finish WoNY, my HC-character adopts my main-characters SHD-level?

[molten wave]

no, theyre seperate

[tame saddle]

They are separate, but all HC characters will keep your HC shd level through deaths and new HC characters

[static field]

Is double XP bugged in HC? The progress bar doesn't seem to go up

[tame saddle]

Whatever shd is lower, regular or HC, will have infinite double exp during the double exp weeks.

[static field]

That is strange but would explain it. Thanks

[oblique talon]

In light of the crashing issue on pc and that if you are running a hardcore char' you would prob' lose it due to being killed mid fight as the crash happens.... would it be poss for the game, in the event of it crashing , it would put your hardcore char' in a safe house for when you are able to log back in ?? who would i ask or put forward this poss' solution to this ongoing issue ??

[oblique talon]

hmmm... pressing alt-f4 is really easily detected, a program that has unexpectedly ended for reasons only known to the exe that is/was running should be relatively simple to detect, anyways Im fed up with wondering if in the next seconds im gonna lose my hardcore char to another silly crash that ,as far as i can tell should not be to hard to get around , i wait hopefully for a resolution , not holding breath tho... its just sad that such a good addition to the game it is ruined by this.

[molten wave]

I figure it's not the apparel event that's the issue but that they wanted to put in the fix for conflict and the caches from the expertise fix at the same time. It's probably something on the latter two that is the issue, or is causing some sort of issue since code does random shit to one area even if you're not touching it

[radiant night]

Ok, didn’t know that. When I finish the bar with my softcore character, can I claim the reward cashe with my hardcore just like at the other events?

[tame saddle]

yeah

[radiant night]

Ok. I nearly finished the whole xp bar with my softcore dude. Then switched to hardcore and get double xp still for the next two days.
Close to the end of that event I will complete the bar and get the reward haha. Oops ssshh bug exploit 🙈

[radiant night]

All people are playing this heartbreaker stuff now. I don’t really like it, especially for hardcore.
I hate to have to build up stacks before I reach maximum damage output and always prefer a sustain damage from the first shot.

Imo In some situations the heartbreaker builds are not very good for hardcore mode. Of course you get tons of armor with the stacks.

But personally I still prefer bloodsucker and a mid-to-high-range ar/rifle build without shield and with sustain dmg. I don’t want to have to run&gun with a shotgun to build up stacks (actually I never even used scorpio yet).

I tried a HB build one time yet and that named ar really sucked because of the low rpm. If I give that build another try some day, I‘d definitely use a different gun.

[severe wolf]

Is there a team to play Raid to get commendation at level 30 ? or I should take my hardcore character to level 40 !

[remote spire]

So i assume that there is still trouble with playing HC mode on pc.

[frail jackal]

ACS gets stacks very quickly.

[zealous steppe]

So I have a quick question just because I know Diablo does this, but say I lose my HC character because I was dipstick and died, do I lose all the equipment they had or does that go into the stash for another HC character to use?

[smoky marsh]

You lose all equipment, but do keep SHD (watch) levels if you've completed WONY.

[radiant night]

You don’t even have a stash in D2 hardcore in contrast to Diablo hardcore. So you can’t transfer items between two different characters at all.
Except for things that are account wise like mats and the stuff in your mailbox.

[radiant night]

Yea but that’s still a shotgun. I stay with sustain dmg right from the first shot.

[frail jackal]

I use ND gearset on my HC toon with unbreakable. Works extremely well on heroic. @radiant night

[radiant night]

Yea, usually I don’t use sets, but I really like ND, too. Been working on a build when that character died.
Which guns, cores and talents did you pick for HC ND build if I may ask?

[frail jackal]

Like I mentioned, I use unbreakable on chest (Ceska) and Coyotes Mask, with all other 4 pieces being ND set. Then I use an ACR AR (love the sound and feeling of that gun) with Ranger – I want to stay away from the NPCs as much as possible. All 6 cores are red and I stack crit chance to a little over 50, then stack crit damage. I use Decoy (it's a life saver) and a revive hive.

[radiant night]

Ok thank you. Secondary is some rifle I guess? Decoy works fine with zero skill tier? Do you activate decoy only when the shit hits the fan (because of the cooldown) or regularly?

(Gotta admit I never tried decoy, always go for reviver and striker drone)

[frail jackal]

M1A is secondary if memory serves. Decoy is usually used at the start of an engagement, then saved in case shit hits the fan. Tier 0 decoy is great, especially as a GTFO button

[radiant night]

Yea, I use an m1a or bakers as secondary also. I keep that decoy-thing in mind thanks.

[zealous steppe]

I was more referring to Diablo 3. I’ve never played 2

[radiant night]

You should have played it btw. You had no shared stash in Diablo 2 but could transfer items in multiplayer when a second player kept the game running while you switched characters.

[jade sphinx]

@icy comet Please use the correct channel. LFG requests for hardcore mode, the permadeath mode in Division 2, go in #lfg-hardcore-mode

[round mauve]

@icy comet You've already posted in the correct area, time to wait now.

[lime marlin]

https://youtu.be/L63s9j1SjpE

Same thing happen to me

[lilac galleon]

question? would y'all go thru the whole tier grind before going to NY or once you hit tier 1, go to NY and then finish NY? what build would you use to fight bullet sponge keener? fyi, this is my 1st hc run and i've been playing d2 since launch. but apprehensive after seeing all the nightmares about guys losing their characters due to cutscenes, etc

[tame saddle]

the only reason to grind at WT5 is the GS500 achievement/patch. Its not to hard to reach GS500 if all you care about is getting 500 with any trash gear. Dont worry about putting together a build for the start of WONY. For keener the easiest way to cheese him is to grab the spec ammo and just burst him down as quick as you can as soon as he jumps down. If you use technician you can drop a revive hive at your feet before he comes outs and you wont get shocked, allowing you to burst him down faster than the game ever expects you to.

[swift ivy]

The game does not permit you to go to New York from WT1. You have to reach WT5 (and even if you do not have GS500, regarding to Raucey's answer), before you can talk to the pilot and go to New York. There possibly some minimum GS requirement to trigger the Tidal Basin that is needed to reach WT5, which is however not 500 (maybe 350?).

[molten wave]

That being said, when you level in WoNY, you get the GS 500 patch naturally since GS still exists on the back end but players just don’t see it anymore.

[lilac galleon]

Thanks to @tame saddle @swift ivy and @molten wave for your responses. I realized part of my question was invalid when I went to try and travel to WONY and it said "nice try sucka, come back when you have your big boy pants on" hahaa. I guess the searing image in the bottom left of the screen about the pilot from the moment I started my HC character combined with the fact that I have used a boosted character before led me to believe I could jump to NY? I am definitely doing that hive technique, thanks a lot @tame saddle

[oblique mist]

Hey all, I’m a returning TU1 PC player (it’s been a while!) and I’m extremely interested in Hardcore mode.
I wonder how big the community is though, will I be able to find groups after leveling up? Is it worth to only run a HC character and not even worry about SC?

With that being said, for discussion purposes:
I find it strange that the devs would split the player base even further (with it already being split via consoles/pc). Wouldn’t it be beneficial to play HC with normal players but you’re the one who suffers the deaths? Or maybe even the HC character auto becomes a SC character - ala Path of Exile?
This could also extend to letting HC play Conflict, just not including that in the HC rule set.
I guess I just worry that the player base has shrunk so much that splitting it even further with No crossplay in site seems like a strange design choice.

However, HC certainly runs in my veins and I’d prefer to play it.

[worldly loom]

Many pc players are suffering regular crashes at the moment, which puts them off hc as you can easily lose your character through no fault of your own.

[vagrant ether]

Hi, just wondering if you die on pvp (on hardcore mode) do you loose your character??

[round mauve]

Yep.

[warm rampart]

This might be a stupid question, bare with me I don't play hardcore I'm too big of a wuss. But do you lose your character If you die In conflict too?. I'm gonna go ahead and assume no right?.

[round mauve]

If you die in Hardcore PvP, you die.

Unfortunately (or fortunately I guess), Conflict doesn't appear to be available in Hardcore.

[radiant night]

My current dps build is nice. 60/172 atm, if he survives until maxed out it’s gonna be 60/196 (1 armor core only)

Next to the armor core unbreakable and bloodsucker for at least something that looks like survivability. Fast hands on gun.

[oblique mist]

Dying to crashes is the worst feeling ever...

[static field]

I cleared my first HC countdown just now! shame the loot was pretty mediocre lol

[late sinew]

Hi, when I go into DZ will I encounter other players as in normal play? They can kill you and you lose it all? Or is that the only way to play DZ without 'conflict'?

[tiny dune]

I shall refer you to here

[sweet seal]

Any death in HC mode will wipe the character and your only option on the main screen will be to delete the character and start a new one if you so choose. Conflict mode is disabled of course but the DZ is still open for play, but if you die then poof goes the character.

[late sinew]

I understand, thanks

[radiant night]

It’s hardcore not sugar cotton pony ranch

[swift ivy]

The frequency of encountering other players is different than with the normal mode. For a feeling how frequent it will be, I recommend asking around for your particular platform, and server region. There exists players who see as their life’s fulfillment to hunt others in the hardcore DZ, and particularly infamously on the PC (with publicly voiced threats against a whole clan, for example).

If you plan to run hardcore DZ, I recommend to get a group that you can use both to run together, and assist each other for eventual leveling needs. Also get basic advice how to eliminate risks (e.g. recognize newly spawned server, check for player in the proximity), to retaliation strategy (modus operandi of past rogue players used on your local servers and their builds).

[coarse palm]

Hard core? That mean legendary?

[jade sphinx]

Hardcore is a "one life" mode. Once your character dies and they are a hardcore character (selected from the character creation screen) that character is deleted.

[coarse palm]

Thanks for reply. Hard core mode can be set in DZ? Or how can I get that mode?

[jade sphinx]

Just from character creation.

[nimble turtle]

@late sinewThere is a separate DZ for Hardcore and normal modes. There are not many ppl in the HC DZ, but they can kill you (PVP) just as in normal mode, and if you die there, all is lost, as is the case for all gameplay in HC mode.

[sweet grotto]

omg seriously ubisoft is the dumbest company. my softcore toon lost its expertise on its skills when i made a hardcore toon. what a waste of time this game is.

[swift ivy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/vkhl5h/unlocking_skills_on_a_new_hardcore_player_is/

[static field]

can someone confirm this bug has not been fixed in today's update?

[molten wave]

Didn’t see it in the patch notes, so doubt it has

[static field]

i better not die then lol

[wind wolf]

One question for those who play hardcore mode. I see one person said that since the hardcore character will only meet hardcore character, most of the times you will have an empty dark zones for yourself. And because of the way dark zone works (extracted items will go do mail, And mail is shared by both hard core And soft core characters). This is basically a way to farm pvp exclusive gears by doing only pve although if you die you have to get another character.

[swift ivy]

It is quite viable, especially to farm for those pieces where you would like a specific roll, e.g. Hollow Man or Emperor’s Guard. You can even optimize the emptiness of the DZ by having worldwide hardcore friends, with their even more depopulated servers. Invaded DZ also provides ample Field Recon Data, and a decent amount of XP (though not being the quickest farming method). I would still recommend to run as a group and with the necessary precautions. Apart from safety, running as a group also drastically increases the landmark clearing speed. And leveling a new character is also faster with an experienced group, and reportedly can be done in 6 hours (though you need a team playing multiple missions at the same time for you, till the final boss, for you to join), or 2–3 days in a relaxed fashion.

[visual aurora]

Well, died in my 4th playthrough at lv30 due to lag.
I was attacking a standard resource convoy at the crossroads. Did a pulse and no one was nearby (I even looked down every direction with my scope and nothing). When the attack started, the three other paths suddenly had a patrol, each.

I swear, I feel like someone in ubi is having a laugh (joke) 😅
Still, will the lag ever be fixed and be as smooth as Div1? 🤔

[radiant night]

I want to make a ND build for shuttle services at story mode. I have no clue if I should use ND chest and bp or other and if, which.
It should be able to clear missions fast alone at full games. Rev.-hive as backup and either striker drone or some repair skill for (too) low lvls.
My only ND build yet was on softcore long ago, so I would appreciate if you share your opinions with me.

(Ar/rifle)

[tame saddle]

no chest, imo no bp but its optional, and if your just trying to sprint through the story go with lady death

[worldly loom]

running low difficulty, ND is a bit wasted as you won't often be hitting but not killing enemies - they die so quickly that landing a crit and then switching to a different enemy is actually relatively unlikely.

[stray trail]

Did you not see the words "beta" when you started the HC toon. stuff happens, get over it.

[tiny dune]

Slapping the word "Beta" onto anything in a fully developed product is just a tacky excuse for "We know it is broken but don't care enough to fix it, so either don't complain or know through this word that we will reply to your complaint with "Yeah but it is still in Beta, please be patient. Your issues will be addressed in the future."

[stray trail]

fully developed? no... they keep adding new things all the time. HC was not intended from the start and they added it because the community asked for it. They knew it could cause problems so they put a disclaimer on it. For what ever reason they cant figure out how to keep the two modes independant of each other.

[tiny dune]

Full developed =/= new content cannot be added. Fully developed is talking about the core mechanics. CORE mechanics. Additional content, such as Hardcore mode or new seasons, do NOT require a Beta tag. That is something you choose to put there for the aforementioned reasons.

[stray trail]

Your logic is flawed, Expertiese and Optimzation are new core (rule) mechanics added after the initial release. Neither were fully flushed out and had problems when introduced even in the core game where progression was rolled back. Maybe you're refering to "gameplay" as core mechanics? The one gameplay mechanism that's different between SC and HC in terms of death from NPC's, is 0 instead of ∞. I agree it should NOT require a beta tag. The whole game seems "beta" to me.

[tiny dune]

Nothing about the logic is flawed. Because there doesn't need to be a beta flag even IF new content is added. The new content added is... again, not CORE mechanics of the game. Even if they will be sooner or later, they are not necessary for the finished product. They are an addition.

All adding a Beta tag does is adding a sense of "unfished, that's why it's broken", but that isn't inherently true

Just because things are broken, the game isn't a beta. And I don't see how the game could be a beta to you. Sure there are some broken things, but that doesn't make it unplayable

[stray trail]

Because the whole game is "unfinished", and still in flux, hence beta.

[tiny dune]

The game was considered finished multiple times. The prospect of seasons is not a Beta. You can see what Beta status means with examples such as Minecraft and DayZ. Where MULTIPLE THINGS changed all across the process of development. Such drastic changes are not there any more. Nothing will feel different when you replay the game all the way up to getting your SHD watch. That part of the game is done. At this point it is not at all justified to call it unfinished or a beta.

And with changed I do not mean additions, I mean things about actual gameplay being completely rehauled

[stray trail]

if that was true then PTS wouldn't exist.

[tiny dune]

Whereas the only thing changing about Division 2 at this point being late, LATE game content

[round mauve]

Div2 is a "Looter Shooter", that classification means that it's ever-changing, updating, all that stuff.
It's not finished, it won't be until the devs decide to stop updates for good, which isn't any time soon, as we know.

and for the record, HC mode is a labour of love from some specific devs, hence the "beta" tag, it's not a finished and fully fleshed out mode.
If you dislike it as much as you appear to, just play another mode. Or a fully designed HC mode in a different game.

[stray trail]

I don’t mind it at all and am working on a 3rd play through to 40.

[molten wave]

Keep in mind very early on HC was used unofficially to try out mechanics that layer in hit live severs. Like having better loot drop in harder difficulties. I remember noticing that being a trend months before they announced that mechanic hitting normal characters

So since they’ve done that a few times, I wouldn’t be surprised that if they did that on and off as well since it’s a low-risk area to do it on live servers

[fierce reef]

@molten wave hey hey hows you?

[molten wave]

good, you?

[swift ivy]

He is — and legitimately — complaining about game breaking side effects in the clearly non-beta normal mode, not hardcore. I am sure he would not even care about skill upgrades, with a sub 30 level hardcore character.

[worldly loom]

if you can, get a video of the bug in action (eg run a character up to the point you unlock your first skill, switch to your main, start recording, upgrade a suitable skill by one level, switch back to the new toon, unlock that skill, switch back to main to see if it has lost the upgrade, stop recording). Worth trying with both HC and non-HC to see if there's any difference there. I just tried to do this myself but I don't appear to suffer that bug (or possibly it has additional conditions before it occurs)

[simple minnow]

Wat is hardcore mode in this game?
Never heard of it.

[primal sage]

Perma death mode. When you die it's over, you need to delete your Agent and have to start from the beginning, if you want to keep trying.

[simple minnow]

Oh no. Too much for me. I'll pass.

[radiant night]

Thanks for your reply.

[radiant night]

I see whatya mean. Maybe i should also think about a different build for fast story shuttle. My dps one is fine but made for longer range.
Usually I’m neither the run&gun guy or skill-user.

[radiant night]

Try it. You won’t play softcore anymore i guess 😁

[sweet seal]

maybe we'll get an influx of more players trying HC mode once the crash fixes come out

[radiant night]

On PS it’s pretty much ok. I barely have any conn losses or even Deltas. Had several deltas when I was playing on US servers.

[sweet seal]

PC it's off and on so it's hard to comment. You can go weeks without a hiccup then have multiple issues in a row. Been trying to progress my HC dude but also being careful with possible crashes mid fights and such, so looking forward to any kind of "fix" they may have. Especially if it gives us more PC HC players togroup up with.

[smoky marsh]

I hope so ... It's been lonely in PC hardcore lately.

[sweet seal]

indeed, one night I crashed 5 times in a row doing convoys but rngesus was watching over me because no loss of character....

YET

[mossy lagoon]

Yeah its pretty lonely on the Xbox servers for hardcore mode. Thankfully I have 2-3 friends I can squad up with ! I've died twice so far. 3rd times the charm right!

[fierce reef]

@mossy lagoon hey bud. I'm usually on just add. Gt is same as this

[molten wave]

I got an nearly full clan of HC main players on Xbox side as well. Feel free to add me, GT is in my discord profile and we can get a squad going.

[mossy lagoon]

Sent you a friend request. Itl will be from BurnerOBanners

[rustic laurel]

Anyone experienced the delta crash and insta death in hardcore? Is very sadge stuff

[molten wave]

Yea had two since hc released - just had me second the other day. Just engaged a resource convoy and immediately disconnected and came back to a delete screen

[smoky marsh]

Yes, HC deaths caused by game crashes happen too frequently to PC players. Always, frustrating to lose an agent to a game error instead of poor play. If you want help getting another going, reach out.

[static field]

i reached HC SHD 1000 😄 now what?

[molten wave]

Make the journey to 10k. Anything after 1k is just straight scavenging redemptions, so it gets super easy to get a build from countdown and then optimize it quickly after 40 for recovering. Alternatively, you could set a goal for the Regulus or Bighorn since they’re only exotics that really require the agent to be put in danger.

[smoky marsh]

Dark Hours Raid team and Iron Horse Raid team for the glory?

[sly bear]

Hard to find a crew that does the IH traditionally without wiping, although I would love to get the regulus or the ravenous for my HC

I don’t know if I want the EB, I got it twice and both times my character died because of some crazy situation or stupid thing I did

[severe wolf]

I left a message here yesterday but it’s deleted , why ?

I have my HC ready , now need a team to help me to finish Dark Hours raid.

[jade sphinx]

Probably was an LFG request, which should go in #lfg-hardcore-mode

[sly bear]

Good luck

[hexed jetty]

I died😢

[round mauve]

@hexed jetty You're looking for #lfg-hardcore-mode, this channel is purely for discussing the mode itself.

[molten wave]

I’m sorry to hear that. How did that happen?

[open mirage]

just started a HC, is reviver hive a good skill to always have on?

[sly bear]

Reviver hive is kinda good for in the beginning, I know a clan that recommends it highly and kind of frown on those who don’t wear it, my issue with the reviver hive is that it not instantaneous pick up, soooo if you down and are on fire, or poisoned you will die. Also if you don’t have something else for the ads to agro onto after they take you down they will continue to shoot or beat you as your reviver hive is trying to pick you up.

And you will die

I have learned how to play without it, for me it is a false sense of security

I rather have a drone and a turret for ads to agro on to and provide me with an extra gun

[open mirage]

great thank you

will adjust

[molten wave]

Emp will keep the hive from activating at all, you can bleed or burn through it, some NPC archetypes ignore it and keep firing at you, if you don’t invest in at least one yellow while leveling it can get destroyed while getting you up, and poison just kills you instantly.

That being said, it’s a great second chance skill if you’re solo. In a group, it’s less about getting you up & more about it causes most enemies to hesitate when you go down. I’ve seen a lot of people go down without a hive and the enemies don’t stop firing at them. It seems all except a few hesitate, or swap aggro when someone is being revived

[tame saddle]

It also depends where you go down. If you go down while facetanking an LMG your dead, hive or no hive. If your using cover the hive will more than likely save you. Instances where your under a status effect like burn, your dead hive or no hive as well. It's just part of HC, knowing what are the biggest risks and threats to you.

That all said, a crusader shield and a revive hive are by far the best skills for HC imo, and it's not even close.

[sly bear]

It’s play style honestly, reviver hive is great for some folks, I’m a face tanker so I run zeroes Fs and Hunter fury’s, drone and shield, my second chance is my zero F if they pop that I kill whatever and move back and adjust game play Momento is a life saver, as long as you are killing your gonna get armor

The only thing I fear is poison fire and them stupid grenade launchers

I put my watch points in health first just so I can survive those spots in Jefferson trade center where DC62 is and suicide bombers fire

My watch is high enough to survive to if 2 of those guys explode on me

But I try not to chance it and rather kill them before they get a chance to explode on me

[tame saddle]

Health is useless

[sly bear]

When my health was low I would die almost instantly from fire, bleed, or poison

With just that 10% and kill on health from hunters fury I can withstand most things

This is my experience maybe not yours but this is what I have learned after my 9th character

Well I learned this after my 5th character actually

6th died from a DC, 7th died during that global event kill the yellow dude and he explodes, 8th died from a team effort challenging invaded DUA we pushed to hard in the garage 3 man scaling and Johnny 5s wiped the entire team, 9th was an explosion of 4 suicide bombers, world boss, rss convoy, elite patrol and a challenging control point

[smoky marsh]

It really depends on your play style and gear set. Obviously, as others have noted, it isn't 100% at reviving. If you go down regularly or play with those that do (that need you to revive them), then consider using it in one of the two slots.