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torn shoal
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and if u lose its cause u got beaten fair and square and not just random bs

glad spruce
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Considering the possibility of United Ironworks Foundry being the location for this season's Climax mission, I do wonder when did General Anderson and his True Sons set up the area as their HQ after we dealt with Morozova's detachment.

frosty bluff
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Most likely after our assault on UIF & the Pentagon, and around the resurgence of True Sons operations in DC

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I'd like to believe that despite our control over the regions available in Div2's DC, other factions --like the true sons-- are holding control over the residential neighborhood of around DC

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Essentially, we're kinda deaf when it comes to intel outside of DC unless we're actively receiving it --as to why we didn't have intel on UIF being their new HQ until the events of the Pact

cold bramble
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Did we ever get the pentagon back in our hands?

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Man that would have been cool to have as a second base of operations tbh

glad spruce
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Aside from recovering the Perfusion Bioreactor, which was later stolen by Black Tusk during their assault on the White House, there's not much to be done with the Pentagon.

It's a graveyard mash

frosty bluff
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^

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Sure we've gone to areas and cleared them out, but its not like the JTF are sent in to hold an area --if anything, it'll just be collecting information

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Why else are locations like Tidal Basin still in Black Tusk hands when we've & the Outcasts cleared the place multiple times?

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I was thinking that by the end of this Manhunt, some of the separatist True Sons will join the JTF, however thinking about it, either it won't happen or its a bandaid to a wide gash that is JTF manpower

torn shoal
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most locations once cleared offer no significant advantage so best not send people to keep it

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like when we took capitol it was mostly for the briefcase, once its in our possession, we just cleared our way out and that was it, if its retaken there is no reason to fight again until its necessary

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same for the dc62 mortars, the dua drug stuff, etc, the original motive was to check what was going on, and stop it if it was dangerous for the jtf

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div and jtf are severely outmatched in term of numbers and raw power, we only attack stuff that needs to be taken down cause its a threat, not just cause "bad guys go kill"

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we are sent to stop hvt, hv equipement, etc, we are not an army, only a small striking force

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thats why summit doesnt really make sense for example, there is no reason to take it

frosty bluff
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Thinking of it, and although there is no connection between Black Tusk and the Undergrounders/Ambushers/Raiders, could it be claimed that Summit is a Hunter/BT-aligned Rogue Agent safehouse and Nat has the other factions in there both to serve as factional safehouses, for them to loot, and an impromptu human shield to slow down attackers? Although I doubt the Outcasts would like to be in the same building as the True Sons

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Also thinking about it, Keener would've tried to eclipse virus the location if he had knew that it was a hunter base

glad spruce
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I doubt they put much thought in the Summit in terms of lore and story

It's simply just "Hey, there's a skyscraper made up of 100 floors with lots of enemies. We need you to clear it, so best you make time for it on your schedule."

sand spindle
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Why was my question deleted?

sick lantern
sand spindle
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Channel description says "anything relating to the extended universe of the Division"...not "story/plot stuff". Could have told me what channel it does go to instead of just deleting me. jsjs

sick lantern
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you know I didn't delete your message, right

sand spindle
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You know I was just making a general statement, right

frosty bluff
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

frosty bluff
supple river
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hey folks, had a question

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(jesus it's been a while since I've stopped by here...)

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currently working on a fic set in The Division 2, wanted to ask where in the D.C. map would be a good spot for True Sons Defectors to hunker down together since it's unlikely they can stay at the White House Base of Operations

ashen jungle
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@sand spindle this is the lore discussion channel, we have others for your kind of question.

supple river
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hey, I remember you!

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glad to see you're still part of the server, Rivens!

ashen jungle
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I'm part of the furniture at this point, same to you. div2wave

frosty bluff
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National War College
Lincoln Memorial
Library of Congress
US Supreme Court
Washington Navy Yard

Washington Convention Center (doubt since its due north of Hyena territory)

ornate gull
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I was wondering

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Are riker take full control of mid Manhattan b4 WONY?

tepid ibex
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Wallstreet area? Yeah, cus they had Dragov

glad spruce
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Rikers and Cleaners were pushed out of mid Manhattan due to our efforts in the first game.

frosty bluff
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After the events of Division 1 and before the start of WONY

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i.e. when agents started leaving NY for DC and the situation in mid Manhattan started getting hectic

autumn island
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Question, why do all division agents use their watches on their right wrist?

sinful mauve
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Idk to be honest lol

glad spruce
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Cuz right handed is best handed 😉

torn shoal
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prob just an oversight, devs just created the model and didnt think about adding the same for left handed

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its easier when doing animation for agent looking at the watch

surreal hearth
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Anderson has started losing his leadership real fast as several true sons have begun to defect more and more.

slim light
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If ridgeway was alive he would punch anderson for being a coward of a leader and promote lewis if he was also alive as well (o7 to you Lewis, you were the greatest defector)

ashen jungle
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You know ridgeway was a pushover, because his exotic sucks.

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classic sign

slim light
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i mean as in leadership but ok

ashen jungle
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It's a classic sign.
Coyote was effective, and her exotic is good.

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Lau was cremated, and her exotic sets people on fire.

slim light
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and it's now a overused exotic in striker build's

ashen jungle
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These days that's more Overdogs than Coyotes.

slim light
ashen jungle
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Dark Winter's not an Exotic, so it doesn't follow the trend.

slim light
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dam

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wait, i forgot that there's strega here

ashen jungle
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Strega does buck the trend a little, I admit.
but thankfully you can go back to good old Bullet Queen/King to get it on track.

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This has interesting lore implications.

slim light
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i mean kajika's revolver is still going strong here, minus the commander enemy modifer which is gonna mess up your streak

ashen jungle
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@glad spruce This isn't too much caffeine talking, okay it might be too much caffeine talking.

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Kajika's boss fight did kill me a lot when I first ran it, because one Cleaners wouldn't come out of hiding and he took potshots until it killed me.

slim light
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Never had that problem back then

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And i liked that after i defeated keener the first time i was rewared with memento

ashen jungle
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That was RNG in your case, the only thing he really drops normally is his terrible SMG.

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My theory has some holes, Keener is very effective and AFAIK he doesn't have an exotic.

slim light
ashen jungle
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right I always forget that he has Ouro'.

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fitting that it was rebalanced.

slim light
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i mean in launch that smg was a beast but now

glad spruce
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Manhunt: Mutiny - Comm#2 - Groveling

||A conversation occurs between two True Sons soldiers, where they discuss how Anderson is keeping the truth of the dissolved alliance the faction used to have with the Black Tusk from his men, with one scoffing how he's trying to patch things up with Sokolova, hoping noticing the mess he made.||

||They then comment how Anderson forgot what it's like to bleed in the trenches, even forgot himself, which leads to the question of what they're fighting for, with one theorizing that the whole alliance was simply a scheme to break the soldiers down and keep them in chains.||

||Either way, both soldiers agree on something. Anderson is screwed.||

surreal hearth
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Looking at this, but it’s not the whole picture and how this mutiny literally started. Since we are now on the lookout for some rogue agent that somehow started this.

glad spruce
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Ain't it obvious mutiny got started by True Sons defectors, since they got sick of General Anderson and his BS?

marble dawn
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is that ISAC's and Schaeffer's voice actors I'm hearing in this weeks comms?

glad spruce
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Sounds like it

I know Schaeffer's VA did some voice lines for the Hitman World of Assassintion trilogy.

And Brandon Keener, ISAC's VA, voiced Alexander Ortiz throughout Year 5 Descent comms

torn shoal
glad spruce
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It's named after Operation Dark Winter

ashen jungle
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@random thistle Resurgence has its own discord, I would suggest asking there, as this is a lore discussion channel.
@shy niche You're looking for #unofficial-troubleshooting, GL Agent div2salute

stiff terrace
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I have a very nihilistic view on that will occur from the mutiny. Natalia hasn’t made many wise plays with black tusk but their specialty is embedding members. I see an unofficial shaking of hands occurring by sacrificing the Allys to embed agents into the division networks and safe houses through “turned” true sons. We have them in all key infrastructure for the division right now though sone might fe legit I feel this fast and mass recruitment will lead to spies from black tusk making their way in. Today we are on the attack but tomorrow we see our safe houses on the offensive as the intel revealed infrastructure. Personal theory done of the situations of the mutiny seem puppeteers including the driving agent of the circle. For all we know they are ideas that liked the general over Anderson’s doctrine.

sleek plover
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Once a true son, always a true son.
There is a readon they made their might-makes-right faction to begin with.

Screw them.

Screw lewis, screw wally, screw the castle, screw defectors.

Not saving any one of them.

glad spruce
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🙄

glad tide
ashen jungle
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he also played a guy who thought he was a vampire in Castle.
but it's mostly Garrus for me.

glad tide
autumn island
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When do the manhunts start in lore? After WoNY and BfB? Or before after WoNY before BfB

glad tide
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After WONY if I remember right

autumn island
glad tide
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As a contingency measure by Keener

ashen jungle
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The vast majority of them are set between WONY and BFB.

autumn island
ashen jungle
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None are before WONY.

glad tide
glad tide
ashen jungle
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Well, if you finish WONY there's a cutscene that explains it, but I won't spoil it for ECHO.

glad tide
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Neither will I

autumn island
glad tide
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Cuz Keener has many bricks to his house, I still feel neutral towards him- and even Theo

ashen jungle
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Make sure you don't look up any order guides until you finish WONY fully.

glad tide
ashen jungle
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This channel should go back to the lore talk now, GL Agent div2salute

glad tide
stiff terrace
glad spruce
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Point is, we need those defectors as much as they need us. If we're gonna bring Anderson (with a nice little caliber to the head) to justice, we're gonna need their help.

stiff terrace
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I'm not longer on mobile so I can better lay out the aspects of why I think the mutiny is a set up for the division. 1. The sudden almost ADHD response of nat after little to no resistance from the division immediately dropping it seems rather interesting. It almost appears that the alliance was a attention grab(despite similar cases occurring in the past) 2. The presence of the mutiny by fliers immediately after the sudden collapse of the alliance. That paired with the targeted disdain towards anderson we could over hear appears that anderson could be a sacrificial lamb to nat's larger plans. My theory is that the collapse of the organization would be to great a opportunity for the division to capitalize on and give them false confidence. The larger alliance being an attention grab but the true purpose being placing pawns into place more a more strategic advantage disguised as a loss. The close proximity of black tusks to all other factions would allow for the easily appending of black tusk agents into the ranks of factions like the true sons. Now is for phase 2 after the mass recruitment of the true son deserters(some being true others being plants) with the collected good will and intel collected they would be able to target key infrastructure like the safe houses. Though anderson could have brought on the mutiny himself the sudden appearance of the mutiny almost appears that either the division artificially started the mutiny with the flies or black tusk is attempting a sacrificial lamb with true sons. I mean from the assessment of all the factions the ones most likely to work with the Division out of any of the factions are the true sons do to their X JTF status. Knocking them out while getting agents inside their ranks to report seems the most logical play here.

glad spruce
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Do you mean a set up for The Division 3?

stiff terrace
glad tide
torn shoal
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this isnt cod so there are no zombies

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otherwise thoses mountains of corpses would be a huge problem in dz

dire smelt
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Does Resurgence have it's own Discord? I have a question regarding it

glad spruce
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Yes, it has its own discord

glad spruce
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Would any mods have trouble if I post summaries for the additional 5 comms from last season's Manhunt that were added in this season?

torn shoal
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im pretty sure they would gladly read it

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ur the lore guy, if u aint loring what even would u do

glad spruce
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Manhunt: The Pact, Comm#15, Deliveries.

||The Manager gets a visit from Calvin McManus, who was asking regarding the status of Sokolov Concern gear that were supposed to be sent to his 'operatives' in the field. The Manager confirms they're ready for delivery, Cal just has to make his authorization to have Sokolov Concern drivers enter the quarantine area.||

||Despite Cal's promise, The Manager insisted him to sign the authorization form for the JTF and CERA. Cal agrees, and tells him he'll take care of it.||

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Manhunt: The Pact, Comm#16, Rogues

||Bardon Schaeffer has a discussion with The Manager regarding Keener and his Rogues, as there was an operation conducted by both Natalya Sokolova and Calvin McManus to hunt them down in Lowe Manhattan. The Manager feels it's a lot of effort to put down five wayward agents, though Schaeffer tells him that Cal is a bit obsessed about those particular traitors.||

||The Manager mentions Sokolova's investment in that whole thing, which surprises Schaeffer, as he was well ware of her run-ins with Conley in the past, but nothing worth her time. The Manager corrects him, by mentioning Keener, as Sokolova hates him.||

||Schaeffer felt it was understandable, as Keener is pretty hate-able. However, The Manager tells him that it wasn't about what the Rogue Agent did since the quarantine, and Nat's grudge against Keener is pre-pandemic.||

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Manhunt: The Pact, Comm#17, Rikers

||Calvin McManus inquires The Manager about his delivery orders, which the latter confirmed that everything has been sent and accounted for on his end. But the Manager couldn't guarantee if the Outcasts did not decide to take a delivery fee.||

||Cal then informs the Manager that he needs those turrets sent to Brooklyn Heights. The Manager have already confirmed of the delivery, but he can't control what happens to the delivery once it leaves the factory.||

||Indignant, Cal asks how long will take him to send backups if things go missing. The Manager answers that depends if Sokolov Concern have the base materials and components ready. If it's a matter of assembly, it can take a day or two. But if they need to manufacture parts, then they need the raw materials for those parts, and that's not something that The Manager can assess.||

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Manhunt: The Pact, Comm#18, Cleaners

||Calvin McManus inquires about that shipment that was supposed to be sent to the Army Terminal. The Manager tells him until the road is cleared, he can't get that delivery without an air lift.||

||Cal asks the size of the vessel, which the Manager answered a mid-sized military transpo. Cal argues he doesn't have access to that. And even if he did, it would raise questions about resources he's not ready to answer. He then asks if they can use Nat's helos.||

||The Manager confirmed to Cal that he could, but that would raise more questions about his alliance with Nat than he's ready to answer.||

||Cal asked for suggestions, and The Manager answered to either get a CERA transport, or be patient. Cal chose to stay patient, arguing that the Cleaners waited this long, and they can wait a little longer.||

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Manhunt: The Pact, Comm#19, AI Decision-Making

||Natalya Sokolova confronts Claire Ortiz regarding the ISAC, as the latter didn't tell the former about it. Claire answers there's not much to tell about ISAC, though Sokolova retorts if the AI is good enough for Calvin McManus, then she should know about it.||

||Claire thought Nat didn't want any AI in her tech, and wanted humans to make the decisions. Nat does, but argues that humans can be unpredictable. Irrational. Make decisions that harm themselves. Moreover, with the world on the brink due to the outbreak, they're running out of humans.||

||Claire snides over the population crisis, in which Nat says that Amherst's virus (Green Poison) was too effective. She then demands Claire to tell her about ISAC.||

||Claire retorts to Nat that she doesn't want ISAC, and Nat inquires whether she doesn't want the AI, or Claire doesn't want her to have him.||

sinful mauve
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Nat is probably hated Keener probably about her Sokolov Stocks

glad spruce
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Or his infatuation with Mackenzie Meret

gaunt ice
glad spruce
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Who cares? We still need them.

gaunt ice
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i mean, i’d like to know if they’ll backstab us like what happened in last season’s manhunt

surreal hearth
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Damn I never thought that McManus has a lot of deep political cabals trying to run things while at the same time using the manager to maintain covert supplies right under the divisions radar

glad spruce
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He's the leader of the Hunters and has been a thorn in our side for a while now

I've always suspected those turrets we fought in Brooklyn's control points had Cal's involvement.

surreal hearth
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We did kill his recruiter, so expect less hunter generations chasing us

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Keener must have known about the sokolov concern corporation before he became vanguard. He was a stock broker after all

torn shoal
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people backstabbing others ? in my division game story ? thats unheard of

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next u gonna tell me there are spies embedded in our ranks

sinful mauve
frosty bluff
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Y'know... maybe after we finally deal with the Black Tusk and take down their hierarchy, we should bring them in as a construction company

sleek plover
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Damn i hate lmb

torn shoal
mortal flame
torn shoal
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that was aimed at anyone in any army or pmc since they are mostly taught how to aim and thats about it

sick lantern
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that's not nearly true

mortal flame
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“if you can take apart, rebuild and shoot your weapon, you can do anything outside of this military” said every military officer ever lol

torn shoal
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yeah cause taking a weapon apart is def useful to build a community and make it thrive lol

glad spruce
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Yes, cuz defending your community is a core tennant in the Division's world

torn shoal
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in division having 300 guns and 1k+ ammo of every gun is a core tennant, i was more thinking of whats actually real lol

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in reality, community get stronger when they care for each other, not when they fight for ressources

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thats why i didnt understand how the factions were holding up in lore when i started the game until we learned bt is supplying them

glad spruce
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Communities get stronger when they care for each other and being able to defend themselves

It's not mutually exclusive

torn shoal
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well achtually 🤓
when communities invest in "self defense", its almost always a gateway to divest from everything else to stay in a state of perpetual war

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if your self defense consist of attacking other people, no matter the excuse, its always bad

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the actual way to deter people from attacking u, is to build long standing relationship with other communities, even thoses harmful to their neighbours, and change them into a community u can share stuff with, not fight against

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there will always be a crazy guy that want to hurt other people, the way to deal with them is to shun them out, not open war with anyone you find threatening

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tho it doesnt deal with the actual person directly, it shows everyone that cooperation is the way to go, that way to deter people to do the same things as the crazy guy

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so instead of hunting down people creating problems and showing you cant be trusted cause u fight anyone that is a problem, you stop them at the root and show that any problem can be dealt with cooperation

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obv if you're too far down the war path, then u gotta fight for survival, but like, its a problem created by fighting, not by lacking self defense

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hyenas and outcast are a good example of communities people should have listened and taken care of, not fight when things went tough, now they reap what they sowed

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true sons is a good example of what happen with no cooperation, the state of chaos make them thrive cause when people are scared they give up freedom and basically everything

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same goes for rikers and cleaners, gov left them to die instead of caring for them, so they reacted in a logical way : survive by themselve

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(morality is irrelevant in that case its all about risk management)

sick lantern
mortal flame
glad spruce
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Okay, I highly disagree with Lyfe's argument.

Hyenas were formed out of gangsters who feel pre-pandemic society were too restrictive, and see the post-outbreak America as a playground to indulge in their hedonism and debauchery. They see ten Division and civilian settlements as anathema to their existence.

And the Outcasts were formed out of people who were mistreated by the quarantine, now desiring vengeance against everything and everyone. They were doomed the second they were put in that quarantine.

torn shoal
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hyenas exist only cause people were left fending for themselves, meaning its either join anyone even a bad group or be left to die, as i said, its the consequences of not helping your citizen and leaving them alone, sure they had motives/wanted to go on murder spree like thoses zombi fan that talk about what they would do in zombi apocalypse (its always mass murder), but in reality they would just not do that if society wasnt crumbling before their eyes

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outcasts werent just mistreated, they were litterally left to die out on the island so that the gov wouldnt have to deal with them at all, which is one of the worst fate imaginable

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they litterally said "some of you are infected so we wont take the chance glhf may the odds be in your favors also dont make too much noise when u die we live next to the island kthxbye"

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its the same with rogues in dz, instead of helping everyone, they said "fk it, let everyone die its not our problem anymore", now people are mad and also their watch said "if you abandon civilians u rogue if you dont follow order u also rogue"

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as i said, u build a community and make it thrive by helping each other, if you were already on a war path for months with everyone, nobody will buy you reaching for peace

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u cant ask for peace after throwing everyone under the bus or worse, the gov sowed thoses seed, now we reap

mortal flame
torn shoal
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also when i say not attacking other community that doesnt mean staying defenseless, that just mean your first move when interacting with anyone should be diplomacy and cooperation, not getting your gun in hand and spraying bullets like u spray cream on a dessert

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what im saying is that anyone saying you gotta sacrifice some of your community for "safety" and/or that "safety" mean taking other people down is someone you cant trust at all

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the logic is that everyone is redeamable no matter their actions, everyone can change, doesnt mean everyone will (most need specific conditions), but they can, and if you just treat them as what you fear they might do, you are the problem

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(yes even emeline or nat)

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even keener, tho his character arc is kinda funky regarding his actions

mortal flame
torn shoal
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well not all communities are created equals, not do the people in thoses have the same decision power as others, its also important that people have all the information before taking any decision, which can be a problem when deepfakes of keener will resurface soon

mortal flame
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Forgot about those Keener deepfakes lol

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Keener is basically the poster child of the Division that Nat can use to discredit the Division (blackmail the White House/Manny lol)….. pinning us as a failed old world government project that tried to sway the starved people of the US to believe that we could go back to the old ways… the before times lol

torn shoal
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yeah, information and painting a specific image of someone or propaganda overall is very effective, the tools we have now are just way better at it than few decades ago

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and nat is def using every tool in the box to do that

mortal flame
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Plus, our gear will probably stop working at some point since no one is repairing those satellites lol

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or doing cell network maintenance lol

torn shoal
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well it did for a while, the beginning of div 2

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anyway my main point was simply that u dont create a stable community by fighting other people, but it wouldnt be much of a game x)

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at least not a cover based shooter game, more like a stardew valley

mortal flame
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I mean…. They made Escape from Duckov……

torn shoal
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not sure thats about creating a community to live together tho xd

tender jackal
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when uhhh LMB come black

glad spruce
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Never

sick lantern
tender jackal
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What lore do we have surrounding the white tusk as of late?

glad spruce
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That they're a special branch of the Black Tusk. And lore wise, they were featured in the novel Hunted

torn shoal
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also they are remnants of lmb

maiden nest
# tender jackal What lore do we have surrounding the white tusk as of late?

"During the invasion of D.C., the Black Tusk suffered massive casualties and the loss of most of their commanding officers and operatives. In order to regain the numbers they lost to The Division, they headed to New York to scout and possibly recruit anyone that would be willing to join them. There, they encountered the splintered and leaderless LMB, who were drastically struck down by The Division. The LMB, fueled by a desire to gain vengeance for what The Division did to them, were recruited by the Black Tusk, leaving only memories of a once powerful faction. Now, armed with new tech and weaponry and a new lease on power, the LMB remnants, reborn as the White Tusk, fight alongside their saviors against The Division, not only to finish what they originally started, but to finally end The Division and avenge the death of their leader, Charles Bliss."

wicked gorge
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Keener did nothing wrong

glad spruce
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Phoenix, buddy. How are you?

thick haven
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Would like help me the Division 1 play Survival only PS5

glad spruce
wicked gorge
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Barsetto told me more comms were released for the pact this season so I gotta get on that again

glad spruce
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You definitely should. They're very interesting

wicked gorge
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He already showed me the transcripts, I just need to collect the last 2

stiff terrace
wicked gorge
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No but, 100% in the right

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All citizens within city hall were decoys and he purposely targeted agents that were potential allies with McManus

fast coral
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Dude its snowing great job devs. I love the Christmas theme awesome.

tepid ibex
sour perch
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It's snowing?

glad spruce
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Yes. The Winter Event is adding snow and winter decorations

Not as extensive as Div 1's

mortal flame
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Yay snow… bring out the shovels lol

ashen jungle
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@hidden zenith This is a channel for discussing the lore of the div franchise, you're looking for #ask-td2-community div2salute

autumn island
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Why do agents wear their watches on their dominant side (right side) and not on their left? Besides, is the other rogues (kajika, dragov, Conley) still alive?

ashen jungle
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Well, Conley blew herself up, so unless someone finds a ressurection spell and a bunch of duct-tape, she's probably dead-dead.

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The other 2 just kinda died, which in the currect state means they very well could be alive.

crystal needle
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Yea they dead dead

ashen jungle
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I would've said the same thing about Theo and Keener, so let's hold off until we get a line about them being cremated or something.

crystal needle
ashen jungle
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Well that was actually a reference to Lau, but I don't think Conley counts as cremated, because there's too many bits of her pasted to the walls to count as "ashes".

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That being said, if they bring Conley back with a bandage on her face I will buy that outfit.

sinful mauve
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i bet Ryan still holds that shit loot he stole lol

sleek plover
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Good riddance for conley.

Her screams were delicious.

Serves her right for burning the innocents

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Damn i hate LMB

ashen jungle
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Okay tone down the serial killer stuff.

torn shoal
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would be funny if hornet came back once more

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I know he wont but still, it would be the funniest thing

sinful mauve
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When Scarecrow come back again lol

mortal flame
autumn island
glad spruce
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Manhunt: Mutiny - Comm#3 - Surveillance

||Two True Sons security guards cycle through surveillance footage over their base, noting cam four of their comrade spraying graffitti on the wall, which they dismiss as fooling around. One guard, a woman, muses how much it reminds her back when she and a school of buddy hers used to do graffitti stuff when she was younger.||

||They continue cycling surveillance footage, with the female True Sons security guard noting on a couple making out in cam 8, with her other guard just complaining how much he hates guard duty.||

frosty bluff
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||At least they’re just cycling the cams and not outside waiting to get shot at||

torn shoal
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guard duty is actually annoying af especially if you're adhd, a bunch of nothing to do to kill time, I relate

glad spruce
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Yeah, I'd probably go insane if I spent 12 hours a day, just sitting around and doing nothing lol

mortal flame
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Krampus part of lore? lol

glad spruce
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Not really? Just devs playing for fun.

mortal flame
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Would be a story around the campfire agents would tell newbs about Hunters during Christmas lol “don’t troll your fellow agent’s loot drop in the DZ or Krampus will come for you” lol

glad spruce
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Yeah, that'd be a hell of a fanfic story to talk together, lol

autumn island
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Is Bridgette "Viper" Douglas still alive? She seems like a cool character

-# if you don't know who she is, she's viper the miniboss from the first rogue manhunt, also the girlfriend to Faye Lau

glad spruce
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We don't know. Some of the comms we've got in Y6S3/Y7S1 makes it sound like she's dead for real when we dealt with her in Faye Lau Manhunt.

On the other hand, there's that note from Kelso in Y5S3, where she talks of a woman following her.

I'm gonna go to cope mode, she's still alive and is currently in hiding.

sinful mauve
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Fun fact, shes the only known female Hunter but never get to see her Female hunter outfit

frosty bluff
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And with her Hunter background, she’s got Johnson stalking syndrome

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I need to refresh my memory

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Are the Stalking Hunters just Johnson watching you or a variety of randomized hunters?

sinful mauve
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They're just randomized hunters

glad spruce
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Fun fact, Johnson didn't have a unique model up until Y5S2 was released.

So initially, The Recruiter looked like a randomized Hunter

autumn island
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So... Are the hunters we stole their masks from, canon? Which means Hunters know about the wrath of the Sheriff? (DC agent)

sinful mauve
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No not really, they just hidden Hunters that we will constantly harrassing them. Deceit, Freedom, and Johnson are canon Hunters for now

glad spruce
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It hasn't been confirmed. But we do know three Hunters throughout Manhunt Climax Mission are canon

Deceit from Coney Island, The Recruiter obviously, and Freedom in Stranded Tanker: Alani Kelso.

autumn island
glad spruce
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Cuz The Sheriff feels singular.

I do like when our enemies in Battle for Brooklyn referred to us as that D.C agent

autumn island
ashen jungle
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We as a player are referred in various places as "that agent", and also "agents did this", so I think making a strict canon out of how many of us were at any mission in particular is an exercise in futility.

glad spruce
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Yeah. All that is known in canon is that we did those missions.

Whether we did them solo or with a team is not important.

ashen jungle
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I always assumed that it was a team of 4, it makes sense. We're not superheroes. Just 1 of us doing everything perfectly alone would contradict how we handle stuff later on.
Imagine if a single agent canonically took down Tidal Basin, the BT would be a total joke.

sick lantern
ashen jungle
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An entire PMC being funded by the Illuminati having their main off-site base being taken down by 1 person who doesn't have literal god-like powers is a step too far for the realism angle of this series.

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And not sneakily, we effectively kicked in the door, shouted "come out BT you chickens" and ran headfirst at them.

frail pond
glad spruce
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Viper is alive and is currently in hiding :copium:

true fox
torn shoal
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arent we a different agent on every mission ?

glad spruce
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Not really.

sleek plover
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damn i hate lmb

tepid ibex
stiff terrace
autumn island
ashen jungle
clear vortex
sick lantern
clear vortex
sick lantern
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@clear vortex Keener's villainous acts are retroactively being turned into anti-hero/etc moments

clear vortex
glad spruce
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Our real villains are the Black Tusk, the Hunters, and their Cabal masters.

sick lantern
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because they retconned keener's villainous acts, yes

ashen jungle
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If this is a way to revert Keener back to his level of evil at the end of div1, I am fine with it.
person who just wants money+power is far more compelling than Thanos-lite.

glad spruce
torn shoal
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is it tho ? before the retcon, Keener and nat were on par for the vilain throne

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both are doing various war crimes, killed count less civilians, made the chaos even worse, and were a huge threat to division agents

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Nat has more means, Keener has more knowledge and connections

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also keener can get other factions on his side, nat tried and failed spectacularly

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now he is retcon so obv nat is the threat, but before that, it was way more blurry who the worse vilain was

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now he is just "not following the rules but still upholding the mission", which is a fancy way of saying he can get his hands dirty while we cant

gaunt ice
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reminder that he killed random innocent civilians for shit n giggle

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“you dont get it bro theres like 3 hunters there, and the entirety of castle clinton is just filled with hunters except like 1 dude”

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he killed a bunch of agents by proxy using the LMB in div1, directly backing them in their shenanigans of strengthening a fascist rule on NYC

sleek plover
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damn I hate LMB

sick lantern
glad spruce
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Anyone who's with Black Tusk or Cal is an enemy, so screw them

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What they're doing is 1000x worse.

Point blank.

autumn island
autumn island
sleek plover
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TBH i dont think keener "went good"

he may be still against the Cal and Nat Cabal, but i am sure he has his own twisted vision of new world order so he remains an enemy un long run

i meab the bastard literally espoused might makes right ideology

sick lantern
glad spruce
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Why do you care more about Keener than Black Tusk?

They're the real enemies, for god's sake!

obsidian jay
ashen jungle
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@glad spruce It's fictional lore, they can care about what aspect they choose to care about.
Tone it down.

glad spruce
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I just don't understand why some people think Keener is currently a bigger problem

When we have Black Tusk, Hunters, and their Cabal masters.

true fox
sinful mauve
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People kept looking at the Wanted poster of Keener being the traitor for almost a 8 years be like

little crown
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Is it that Keener is the bigger problem or just that Keener is just still a problem, despite the revisions in the story?

glad spruce
late void
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It's a discussion channel and people will discuss whatever they find interesting or confusing, not only what is 'more important'. Everyone knows BT and Cal are bad, there's not that much to say on the topic.

sleek plover
torn shoal
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he also has an army, he also has tirs with major factions to steer them any way he likes, he also can turn any ally into his side even kelso whatever her motives are, and once rogue they cant get back

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he has weapons of mass destruction (eclipse virus), he has tchernenko make a fkton of that for him, and so on

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I think you vastly underestimate keener and the threat he represent

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he also has inside knowledge that nat would kill for

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Just nat being a comically evil vilain doesnt make keener harmless or not responsible for all his murders, even murders of "bad" people

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we also already discussed the fact that using eclipse on castle is bad no matter who was there

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there is no avoiding or retconning it, Keener alone killed more agents than any faction and his actions killed even more

glad spruce
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Manhunt: Mutiny - Comm#4 - Uprising

||A True Sons Lieutenant interrogates a suspected defector, with orders from General Anderson to show no mercy. Despite the promised leniency and demanding names, the defector refuses to break, telling him that this whole rebellion won't end with names, not even with scrubbing off the graffiti from the walls, as many people have answered the call, with him taunting that him, Anderson, and his loyalists are gonna lose.||

||As a final act of defiance, the defector spits on the Lieutenant, with the latter gloating that he'll enjoy torturing him to death.||

glad spruce
glad spruce
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Either way, I'm interested in seeing this story's story unfolding, since it'll define what the future of the True Sons will look like once it's all said and done.

slim light
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so what do i do in the first objective in th high value target

torn shoal
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Just cause we have an alliance of fortune doesnt make keener not evil

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or even less evil, we just share a common goal for the short future

glad spruce
torn shoal
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tbh I thought we would kill him on the spot in the bunker

glad spruce
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Thank god we didn't do that 😛

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But I think this topic had run its course.

And right now, I'm more concerned about this season's story, since it concerns the True Sons, with its future depending on how the ending goes.

frosty bluff
ember vector
glad spruce
ember vector
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Yeah, to tie NYC factions into the season as well 🙂 Thanks for the reply!

glad spruce
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My impression is that it ties to Battle for Brooklyn, since Riker's Control Points over there have turrets.

Not to mention, Cleaners guarding the perimeter of Army Terminal compound.

proud flax
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The new comm for this week manhunt it seems like this lieutenant is the same one from the first comm we got too and last week comm about the true son spraying graffiti they mentioned it this week too it's coming together

surreal hearth
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More and more true sons start to defect one after the other, which creates some bulky reinforcements on our side

glad spruce
surreal hearth
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Exactly how rotten and bloodthirsty this Lieutenant is? The last ones we killed felt like escaped convicts than some dangerous commanders

glad spruce
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Well, he was torturing the defector, so it doesn't take rocket science to see him as a bloodthirsty psycho.

At least Colonel Tom Sergeant was fun lol

surreal hearth
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I’m also getting the feeling that many defectors may be smuggling out from the Lincoln Memorial, which I’m speculating it could be the final manhunt in the future

proud flax
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They said in the Livestream it was obvious where it would be 2 locations are high on the list

surreal hearth
proud flax
surreal hearth
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They used Roosevelt island two times and I think the lake house twice already

proud flax
surreal hearth
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Federal emergency bunker was used for the keener moment, Parnell in the NOA space program.

proud flax
surreal hearth
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Right right mmm what else was used after that? Oh i forgot titan basin was used twice already for hornet and for the summit

proud flax
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Want me to tell you the supposed locations for this season

proud flax
surreal hearth
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That would leave like I guess six locations left that hasn’t been manhunt yet

proud flax
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The two supposed locations are the foundry hinted last season cutscene and obviously the capitol building

surreal hearth
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Riight the capital building is a huge base so Andersons true sons are most likely using it as an anti-mutiny zone for traitors

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But unfortunately we are after either a rogue agent that’s creating graffiti for the mutiny or it could be the first true son defector that we rescued back at the detention center

proud flax
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Maybe

proud flax
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Either way I already seen two of the next comms description with 2 names I cannot say due to being kicked on this server

surreal hearth
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Air space museum provides some coverage for hidden defective operations

proud flax
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The graffiti was already mentioned twice in the comms already for the manhunt

surreal hearth
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As long as those graffiti continues, the true son is going to have a nasty civil war on their hands. Especially with black tusk now fighting against true sons

proud flax
surreal hearth
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The devs must have placed them isolated to think that they are allies but I have noticed aggressive true son activity fighting each other by the defectors

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A small squad of two I’m guessing

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I can still hear nat in the propaganda machine claiming that the true sons are their saviors

proud flax
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Yeah I'm guessing only some of them are staying with black tusk

proud flax
surreal hearth
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My very own medic commander. I get the feeling that they’ll be playing a role in the final manhunt seeing defectors ducking out against their former colleagues

clear vortex
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Whered kelso even go

glad spruce
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She went into hiding.

As for why, it's because she has Faye's watch with her, which has the Presidential Clearance for the Ark Protocol (aka U.S Nuclear Arsenal) that President Ellis gave to Lau during the Camp White Oak: Faye Lau climax mission

autumn island
clear vortex
glad spruce
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That's because she wasn't important to the events that happened in Y7S1/Y7S2.

Besides, we already had to suffer a dozen weeks of Manny reminding us about Kelso back in Y7S1.

clear vortex
stiff terrace
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Ima be real 1 taping her like a regular bounty was kind of anticlimactic lol

glad spruce
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I'm also coping with the belief that Faye Lau left a posthumous video, telling us like "Okay, I'm dead. Here's what you need to know about the rabbit hole you've been digging into, now it's time for you to finish my mission."

clear vortex
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She was too lazy to go on💀

glad spruce
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I'd consider it more like she martyred herself for the cause

autumn island
ocean karma
glad spruce
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Well, as long her schedule is not too busy, I'm sure she wouldn't mind doing more voice acting for Faye Lau

ashen jungle
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I doubt we're ever getting her VA back, but a sound-alike I can picture working.
Although, I'm not really sure what we can see that we don't already know.

ocean karma
ashen jungle
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Nah she's just probably really expensive now, and Rookie is big.

sick lantern
sinful mauve
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she really love working with another VA for Cayde-6

surreal hearth
glad spruce
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Well, if we can't have Faye Lau again, at least through flashbacks, I do hope we see Kelso again.

clear vortex
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So like. Why did Vivian go boom.

clear vortex
ashen jungle
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It's just you.
It's certainly just a case of her being too busy to do the VA work anymore, don't assume problems where none exist.

glad spruce
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Yeah, exactly.

Kelso's VA had been busy during Year 6, hence why we haven't seen nor heard from her back then.

clear vortex
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Alr. Mb.

glad spruce
clear vortex
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Yea might look at it.

frosty bluff
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Watching the video rn and completely forgot Anderson wanted armor akin to the helment that protected Schaeffer from making his head turn mushy

surreal hearth
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Bro the black tusk sickens me so much with their proxy wars. Did you know that schaeffer and the manager were forced to invent and utilize car bombs to the hyenas?

frosty bluff
surreal hearth
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No street gang would have that kind of tech like that so it’s true what they are saying. The hyenas were the first frontline proxies

torn shoal
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ngl it's cool she is doing fine in the rookie but the show look down right bad, I dont understand why people like it so much

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it's cool for them but man I would love them in something actually good, Nathan fillon in particular im a big fan

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I mean we all gotta make rent and eat so obv we dont always do what we like, but once in a while itd be nice

ashen jungle
surreal hearth
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Welp nat has finally snapped

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In correlation with NGN it appeared that nat has no choice but to replace her personal to a full fledged AI autonomous cause she has been losing more and more people than we now realized

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Which is a fancy way that she finally snapped and she’s forced to use AI in order to fix her problems for black tusk and her cabal masters

glad spruce
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That explains her ongoing hatred of humans.

"It's not their free will that's the problem. It's how they use it."

It's what I'd imagine Nat would say in her argument against humans.

sleek plover
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Freedom IS a right.
Liberty IS a given.

ashen jungle
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Spamming the same message over and over again to the point that people mock you for it IS going to happen.

autumn island
sinful mauve
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How pissed Cal will be if she sending another Hunter on us. Rip their another Hunter Roster

sleek plover
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so next hunters probably be literal terminators

ashen jungle
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I think it's more likely that she's running on dregs right now, and any future Hunters in the short term will be the ones that didn't get immediately killed at a Countdown extraction.

autumn island
sinful mauve
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Prob no new Hunters soon. I can see there's none. Unless an update came by

glad spruce
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Either way, I'm excited for how this season will conclude.

Just me, but I've been feeling we've been making an impact throughout Year 7, story wise.

clear vortex
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I hope we go to that ironhorse raid area for the climax mission.

torn shoal
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might happen ye, like countdown

sinful mauve
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Fun fact: if you guys remember we supposed to have a taser mechanic which more like a stealth mechanic in Division 1 but it was scrapped. The Hunters has this long green stick attached on wherever their vest or pauldron, those are taser batons.

glad spruce
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Manhunt: Mutiny - Comm#5 - Waking Up

||Two True Sons, both women, discuss things, with the first one not sure what she feels over the current situation, with her friend encouraging her to hold on to her principles. The woman is still distraught, feeling despite their discontent with the Castle Settlement that led them to the join the faction, it was at least better what they're currently going through.||

||The second True Son tries to assuage her worries, by telling her this whole debacle the faction is going through is a long game, and isn't gonna get fixed today or tomorrow. However, the first doesn't want to play the long game, feeling death is better than standing in the current hellhole she's in.||

||Her friend offers a way out of the mess, and she got interested, leading to the question of what she knows about Rising Echo.||

sand trout
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I'm new to the division 2 game I played 1 ages ago. So I'm not up to date with the story but I went down a rabbit hole and found this on reddit from 5 years ago 👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼

||So there's this audio file you can find during the NSA Security Alert classified assignment where Gordon Amherst talks with a student. It ends with him saying "I'm just a guy who sees the big picture."

Now in New York, I found a audio file about Keener called Wildcards where Keener and another agent discuss the psych evals they went through. It ends with Keener saying "I'm just a guy a guy who sees the big picture."

I think this is quite interesting. Do you think this is just nothing, or a hint towards something?

👆🏼👆🏼👆🏼 Not my post just what I saw. Now I have ideas in my head.

What if Keener and Amherst worked together long before division 1. Maybe Keener had the resources to get stuff done, buy a secret lab and equipment. What if they tested the virus on kidnapped people who turned out to become the Underground faction. It would explain why the underground faction hates everyone, also why they don't have much weaponry.

Maybe Amherst isn't dead they used a fake body face thingy to trick everyone. Or Keener offed him once he had everything he needed and made it look like he died from the virus.

Idk trying to spitball ideas to get this Division story back onto a semi decent storyline again. Though idk how to explain keener and theo and whoever else is still alive or why we are working with Keener i believe that's the case right now idk. I'm still kinda new so I'm probably way off 😅. ||

glad spruce
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I think the current season we're playing is more relevant than a side mission that a lot of us played 5 years ago

sand trout
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Yeh of course I just thought it was interesting for division 3 could have them two together plotting something else or something. Also could explain the minor faction.

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If there is going to be a division 3. Hope there is love a better story is all I meant.

glad spruce
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I'd sooner Amherst was working on the Cabal's behalf than he and Keener working together.

Besides, right now, I'm more interested in this ||Rising Echo that the True Sons defectors got cooking up.||

sand trout
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I gotta catch up to you haha still in NY. I'm intrigued by stories and back stories though so once I catch up you can fill me in so im not confused 😝

glad spruce
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Okay, where do you want me to start? 🙂

autumn island
glad spruce
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Uh, what's the spoiler policy for stuff being introduced in weekly Manhunt comms?

sand trout
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I read your spoilers anyway haha but some could get offended. Here's a question the leader of the || What would the leader of the outcasts do if she as a leader found another mother with a sick child? Don't the outcasts kill all infected? Wouldn't that counteract her feelings on losing her child?||

sick lantern
glad spruce
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Fair enough

autumn island
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When does Div 1 take place? On the wiki it says 2020, but everyone says its in 2015

ember vector
autumn island
ember vector
ember vector
frosty bluff
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||I assume its a group. Rising Echo essentially just being the growing sentiment of going against General Anderson’s rule of the True Sons||

sick lantern
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"Rising Echo", specifically, not the whole story, sounds ai generated ngl

glad spruce
glad spruce
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Yeah, and I don't see how this season story is AI generated, as Webkinz claimed.

Anyone who played last season would know how this season's Manhunt would be about.

sick lantern
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i meant the name

glad spruce
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I see

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BTW, NGN released a new video if anyone's interested.

stiff terrace
# sand trout I'm new to the division 2 game I played 1 ages ago. So I'm not up to date with t...

As someone from the future no they are similar sides of a coin. Idk if you saw the end cinematic in Amherst apartment but he was a eco terrorist with bio engineering experience and a hatred toward humanity. The shd new about Amherst for longer then many but the bigger picture statement is in relation to his views on a renewed world. “It needs a little nudge in the right direction” that was the recording before distributing the bills.

stiff terrace
stiff terrace
autumn island
glad spruce
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It's not stated.

Though, me and some theorized it's currently set in 2021.

All the stuff about it being set in 2016 were from old and outdated stuff that no one can find.

autumn island
glad spruce
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Yes.

Fun fact: Amherst was featured in the Splinter Cell novel Dragonfire, where he was killed by Briggs before he could unleash the Green Poison.

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Still, I think the devs are purposefully keeping the in universe year vague.

So, who really knows which year we're in.

autumn island
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ok, but really WHAT YEAR IS IT??? 2015 OR 2020????

sinful mauve
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2015

autumn island
ashen jungle
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@autumn island @sinful mauve There is no set year, if any has been mentioned: it keeps changing.
Just think "not yet".

autumn island
sinful mauve
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They changing now.... sigh* wow lol

ashen jungle
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It's been getting changed since just after launch, possibly even during the div1 beta.

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Once we even had some concept art that put in a locked year, only for the website to get wiped.

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Like all good sci-fi, it's not locked to a specific year, just "not yet".

tame pivot
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How many people in total have died from the dollar flu?

ashen jungle
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Well the original goal was about 90% of the worlds population, but I don't think he quite hit that.
"most", I think is the general number we have.

tame pivot
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Ah ok. Thanks. I do wonder where Massive will go story wise in Div3. But if most of humanity died then we are in it a bit longer I suppose.

ashen jungle
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I think it's fairly safe to say that any story for div3 will be set up in the future story content for div2, which is on its way.

tame pivot
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Are there any suggestions channel or something like it for Div3? Would love to hear what others have in mind for a sequel

ashen jungle
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The devs have let us know that they do read those when they can, so it's always worth posting if you have ideas.

tame pivot
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Wonderful, thanks! 🙂

clear vortex
ashen jungle
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Sure, "in less than 5 years" from whatever date you are now is always fun.

clear vortex
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Those were examples.
But in reality it depends on when the game gets released ig. I usually go off of that when the game doesnt have a set year.

tame pivot
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I don't get it. There are plenty of fandom resources that says the pandemic broke out in 2015. You all are saying this isn't the case?

sick lantern
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there's nothing in canon that says as such

tame pivot
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I had to ask Copilot about it and it said calendars pointed towards 2015 as December 1st was a Tuesday, which would be 2015.

sick lantern
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never trust an ai without a direct source citation

tame pivot
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Ye I know. I'm checking the sources now

sick lantern
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either way a calendar, you know, not the best source of info
"we need a calendar asset"
"eh just scan one we have laying around" probably what happened

tame pivot
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And that calendar asset is photographed at the time they were in development, which might've been 2015. I get what you're saying.

torn shoal
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game was set in 2016 in the beginning but it was retcon fast so that it's just a vague "prob around now"

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seeing people using llm to learn stuff is worse than living in the div 2 setting ngl

clear vortex
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All we know is that div2 is 8 months after the events of div1

tame pivot
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Yeah that I know @clear vortex

clear vortex
tame pivot
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Ye me too

clear vortex
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And if u go off of that div2 would be in early/mid 2016

tame pivot
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And Brooklyn DLC would take place in like September or October considering the autumn colors.

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Maybe Div3 would take place exactly one year after Dollar Flu outbreak

clear vortex
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Maybe

little crown
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Since the LVOA went to M-lock in what, 2017 or 2018, the 2015-2016 dates would fit

sand trout
tame pivot
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Lol yeah it feels like we've killed a small nation worth of people who could've reproduce

torn shoal
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im not sure dating weapons is a good thing since it's not really a realistic game

ashen jungle
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I mean if the guns are into it, I don't see the problem.

glad spruce
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Anyone seen the latest Survivors teaser they've posted on Twitter?

frosty bluff
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Forgor links don’t embed. Yeah I’ve seen it

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Probably need to figure out where the photo is located at

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Also there be a roguey in the burning window

frosty bluff
torn shoal
clear vortex
ashen jungle
torn shoal
clear vortex
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Nvm joke is dumb mb

autumn island
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Because of some keyart from survivors which shows the whitehouse covered in snow, does that mean we abandon the white house? Does that mean, that the JTF pulled out of D.C?

ashen jungle
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No one here has insider info, the only things we know are publicly available.

autumn island
ashen jungle
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Yeah that's the first image we got for it.
The latest one is just above us in this channel.

sinful shale
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a few questions about the Hunters:

Since apparently they're actually agents that work for McManus or the Black Tusk (I don't know which tbh), how do they communicate with each other? Do they have their own secure network/comms that are outside ISAC? And Speaking of ISAC do the Hunters even use ISAC? 'cus I assume killing agents would make them go Rogue (unless they have special permissions and stuff via McManus)

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Tbh I'd assume they still use ISAC since in every close up picture of the Hunters none of them had red watches so that means they're not Rogue or using ANNA but that'd also mean that the Division can just, scan them and immediately uncover the identity of a Hunter

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idk ts don't make sense 💀

late void
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They were designed specifically to hunt rogue agents, they have a special classified status that allows them to access ISAC functions and more besides (eg hacking our shd skills).
They were created by the shd program same as agents, and so far seem loyal to Cal as the program head, but he loans them to BT.

autumn island
late void
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At least one hunter didn't stay loyal to Cal though and joined Keeners rogues

sinful shale
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So...they use both ISAC and Diamond? ISAC because they're still technically SHD agents, and Diamond because they happen to be part of BT's forces

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and then I assume they primarily use ISAC, and use Diamond as a formality?

late void
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Afaik it's not explicitly stated anywhere except that in that one manhunt where Bonney is being evaluated for Hunter recruitment it describes his watch status as classified.

sinful shale
sinful shale
late void
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No, I just couldn't remember her name. Brigitte Douglas? She's maybe dead now though.

sinful shale
late void
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Given how much fleshing out and comms she's had since we killed her, it wouldn't be entirely surprising if she did a Hornet/Keener/Theo and reappeared.

sinful shale
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Man Division lore went crazy, we went from simply doing what we can to help in New York to being in the middle of a whole conspiracy in DC

late void
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Yeah it's gone a bit beyond 'save what remains'

clear vortex
clear vortex
late void
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All we know in Div1 is that the hunters didn't want that antiviral extracted, I don't think there was any clue as to why. Another piece of the conspiracy.
BT definitely existed pre-outbreak though, no way they developed/built all that tech after an outbreak that killed 80% or so of the population and collapsed civilisation. Also pretty sure Ellis was in their pocket before the outbreak.

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But Div1 hunters were just mystery boogeymen at that point, nothing further regarding their motives was revealed until recently.

clear vortex
clear vortex
sinful shale
clear vortex
sinful shale
sinful shale
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and their execution animations in the first game were peak

clear vortex
clear vortex
sinful shale
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they lost like 90% of the fear factor

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it's like Batman if everyone knew he was Bruce Wayne

clear vortex
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Yeah. Exactly.
Shame. They were perfect. Hate when people make a faction or character thats meant to not have any lore and then give them too much. Hunters to me was like the wolf that stalks you in the woods. You are aware they arent there but it felt like they were always watching.

sinful shale
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I mean in TD2 you actively hunt the hunters in the open world, not the other way around

clear vortex
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Yeah... Smh

sinful shale
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in the first game every encounter feels like a jumpscare

clear vortex
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Theyd been better off as a random event, like they could just appear outta nowhere like that one Edward mission or whatever. And by defeating them you get the mask.

sinful shale
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I remember seeing videos of them all over YT and thought "damn they're scary, good thing I never played survival or underground", until I played a map on Legendary mode and I went "OH SHIT THEY'RE HERE TOO!?"

clear vortex
sinful shale
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good thing I was with a whole team so the hunter got decimated but it was a helluva jumpscare

frosty bluff
sick lantern
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@clear vortex calvin created the hunters pre outbreak, then orchestrated the outbreak

clear vortex
glad spruce
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Also, the whole gaggle over how Hunters should've stayed mysterious is annoying

The fact that their origins were gonna be revealed, was an inevitability

stiff terrace
torn shoal
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the outbreak wasnt orchestrated

sick lantern
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lies^

wicked gorge
glad spruce
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Yep

ashen jungle
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@dusky briar This is a discussion channel for the lore of the div franchise.
If you're looking for players for div1, you can check down in #td1-lfg, GL Agent div2salute

torn shoal
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tbh I feel like in the lore rn agents knows way too much compared to their actual striking power

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it just feel like "yeah the bad guy is this way but you're not strong enough bud come back after u get the amulet of x then the door will open"

glad spruce
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I'll be a little late for tomorrow's comm summary.

Hope you guys don't mind.

glad spruce
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They work for DHS, first and foremost.

Some of them were loaned to Black Tusk

glad spruce
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I don't even know where you got the idea they work solely for Black Tusk.

ashen jungle
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BT are a private military corporation, the Hunters are canonically employees of the DHS.
Sort of a "who will guard the guards" for the SHD Agents.

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With the amount of Agents that have gone Rogue, it seems like the Hunters deployment was a good idea overall.

ashen jungle
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Well, most are dead.

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Actually most of them died in the OG DZ.

sick lantern
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we don't know anything about the rest of the DHS, only that Calvin is still around

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the SHD doesn't come under the DHS' jurisdiction anyway

sick lantern
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@dim estuary
also remembering that McManus created the Hunters before the outbreak, and the Hunters have frequently been targeting non-rogue agents

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when you keep those points in mind, you come to realise that McManus is more malicious than he may let on... corrupt politician and all

ashen jungle
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Calvin is not pulling the strings by himself.

torn shoal
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try following the message behind the words, not the words themselves.
cal doesnt own the Hunters, he is just a guy behind a desk giving order when the outbreak hit, the gov and all it's branches like shd, dhs, etc, are dead, but since isac isnt programmed for the end of the world, it's programming continue until it recognize an autority telling it to stop, until then, agents arent rogue to it if they follow the rules

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that goes for Hunters too, but cal decided agents are rogue so Hunters follow his commande, until another commander in chef comes and tell them to stand down

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but since it's bad™ outside, u can guess that's not gonna happen anytile soon, and we gotta stop them ourselves

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bt is just another pmc, and cal think they are most suited for his ascension to power overall, that's it

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that's why nat can oder some Hunters around, not all of them, they still work for cal and the gov, until another gov they recognize is created

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also cal doesnt pay bt, money isnt really a thing anymore

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Just think cal as a guy that'd love to rule over a world of ashes, and nat a tool to him

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I mean he is a reason, not the reason, but yeah

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Last time we got keener we learned there are a lot more things in play, but it's all too shadowy, so what we know for sure is that cal is bad/corrupt/etc, when nat is more straight forward

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Nat doesnt pretend to be good much, beside civilians, while cal prétend to be good, even to himself

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dang, bye I guess

inland cosmos
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He had enough of being wrong 🥺

glad spruce
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Manhunt: Mutiny - Comm#6 - Full House

||A team of True Sons raid a building, where it was believed defectors are holding a meeting. But it turns out, the supposed defectors were actually civillians playing a poker game.||

||The civvies convinces the soldiers to play poker with them as a way to make it up to them, with one member teasing em by asking if they wanna lose their rations.||

EDIT: Listened to the comm again. The poker group were actually civvies.

sinful mauve
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Thats wholesome ngl

surreal hearth
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Oh man that feels like that “FBI OPEN UP” moment

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Still, it’s nothing but another white noise almost feel like the defectors are trying their best to conceal as much of their identity as much as possible while at the same time helping the division as best they can.

stiff terrace
sleek plover
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Hope they stop humanizing those monsters.

glad spruce
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Sorry, Jacobin

But the humanization will continue until morale improves

glad spruce
stiff terrace
# sleek plover Hope they stop humanizing those monsters.

I wouldnt call them humanized if anything its showing incompetence, lack of discipline in the ranks and that immature bandit persona a lot have in the true sons. I wouldnt be surprised in the next couple of manhunt missions we start to see that go lucky persona melt away as things get more tense for true sons.

torn shoal
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its still humanized, they are shown behaving like normal people

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lo and behold, normal people are stupid af

glad spruce
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And frankly, I find characters more interesting when they're flawed

torn shoal
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also, they are human, no matter how bad they are

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people like to go "wow they're a mosnter/crazy/insane/etc", when they are just human, and if you keep thinking that thoses guys are an exception cause they are just too much evil, you become the reason the next one gonna exist in the first place

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people dont become evil out of thin air

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most first wave rogues became "bad people" cause they were left with no good choice, either die pointlessly, or go rogue and get hunted for the rest of their life and be killed on sight

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that doesnt go very well for the "everyone can be good" crowd

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its different for true sons, they are much more cruels, but they didnt become like that just cause one day they woke up thinking "dang i wanna kill random civilians today just for fun"

stiff terrace
# torn shoal its still humanized, they are shown behaving like normal people

stripping the human for the sake of stripping the human characteristics good or bad doesnt match tom clancy it turns complex characters into stick figures to laugh or boo at or some form of propaganda. It's easy to copy and paste a storm trooper with no name, burns people at the stake and eats babies. What makes a good villain isnt a hyper relatable or pure evil villain but traces of that humanity either perverted or they have abandoned.

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I was against the coms originally kind of making them seem goofy but it does show the desensitization and normalcy in the true sons while giving us hints at events and flaws going down in the background.

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For example the card game shows they might be witch hunting so hard they are actively killing or at least mistaking their own people as mutineers

torn shoal
stiff terrace
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Evil as a case study is better then evil as a sock puppet basically in short

torn shoal
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its weird cause first game was kinda hinting toward the "agents arent a force of good but only a tool of violent repression" especially with the electrician guy i forgot his name again, but i guess its just too risky/not worth the effort to go that route and they decided to go full comically evil bad guy in div 2

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the vilains in div 1 had motives that you could really get behind not the methods obv

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barret was mad cause they were left to die in prison (id be mad too), ferro was thinking gov didnt care about the virus and only wanted to save face (which is true) and only drastic measures would work, and the lmb was just trying to get a free win to get more power

stiff terrace
# torn shoal its weird cause first game was kinda hinting toward the "agents arent a force of...

D1 more were detectives we operated under “if we find the cure will save more then if we lose momentum. 2 we’ve got more levway now so we can actively help. That’s the reason why the virus exposed was a great mechanic you could help a little but a lot was out if your control and you were on a time. It genuinely caught me off guard the first time a civilian succumb in front of me

torn shoal
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and the basic rioters were just trying to escape cause they had just 0 support and were basically left to die

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rogues were also left to die and were forbidden to run away

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but div 2, everything is just way less subtle, everything is is an archetype of character, there is no real nuance anymore

stiff terrace
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Yeah I remember lots I got all of them or near all of them if I remember

torn shoal
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imo its good we get back to a bit of nuance and less "we good they bad"

stiff terrace
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I will say a lot of them feel that way. Mad max hyena, outcasts outside their back story seem more like localized uni reverse cleaners and true sons are a more interesting case which I hope they explore as there are interesting dynamics we see in echos

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I’d say the issue is the disconnect of how the factions present now vs how they are represented in lore as well is the issue some what

torn shoal
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well, the disconnect between the game and lore is as usual, in lore we barely kill a few people every mission, in game we make a full on massacre lol

autumn island
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Just replayed Fayes manhunt, her saying to now stop going after her is her thinking we know about her double agent thing, and thinks WE'VE gone rogue, since we are still going after her

glad spruce
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I think it's more like triple agent. She wanted us to think she's a traitor, and she wanted Nat and her Black Tusk to believe she's aligned with them, while working behind the scenes to undermine them and the Hunters.

torn shoal
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triple agent is more like working for another faction while playing 2 factions

misty bay
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I hope they add the Commander player they originally advertise in the Division 1 announcements. Where a player controls a drone and guides the team. Not sure what else it could do.

autumn island
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I think when we go save Mari, canonically, its a solo mission

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Since at the first cutscene, he calls a AGENT. Not with an S just Agent.

ashen jungle
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They use "agent" and "agents" interchangeably, often within the same mission.
Just assume that it's up to interpretation.

autumn island
torn shoal
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not really, they are not going to say exactly how many agents there are cause some people prefer to play alone, and some in teams, so its left vague so everyone can feel included

stiff terrace
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If anything host will always be sheriff

torn shoal
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u can have a team leader yeah, but still doesnt make the agent solo

frosty bluff
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What about the operations/raids?

torn shoal
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well raids cant be done solo technically, you need at least 4 for dark hours, idk for iron horse but its prob about the same

glad spruce
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Always assume the raids/incursions were done by a Division team of agents, in canon

torn shoal
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the whole thing about division is that agents acts without direct orders given by someone too far away taking too long to do anything and trying to save their own ass, so we're individual cells, some agents might go solo/lose their team, but overall we arent just a "lonewolf" mentality, more of a "act now instead of waiting for the red tape" mentality

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thats why agents have total authority with directive 51, they can do basically everything they want if that helps the overall mission (according to isac)

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but isac is not fully explained so there is a lot of grey area to what is allowed and what is the mission

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cause "saving what remains" is just way too vague

ashen jungle
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Our purpose as Agents is to ensure continuity of government, that's what "save what remains" actually means. That's why Rhodes is so paranoid about us in div1, he gets that our actual purpose at first was not to be superheroes.
Since the Green Poison was way worse than they anticipated anything to be, our purpose turned into more of a general saviour-type, which lately in the story has been somewhat clashing with our original purpose, so it's created a nice bit of dramatic tension: do we do our job, or do what is right.

torn shoal
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yeah but that question was already in the first game tho, thats the entire reason the first wave got wiped out

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tbf rhodes is fully right, its a shame he aint showed more

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div 2 really toned down thoses thing imo

ashen jungle
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I don't know why I even bother anymore.

glad spruce
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Hmm?

glad spruce
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One thing's for sure is that time had been going fast.

Been a month since this season's release, and we're approaching week 7.

little crown
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Just had a moment - how did all the cars parked ontop of Riverside Gas get up there to be parked in the reserved slots?

torn shoal
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riverside ? or the taxi cemetary ?

glad spruce
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Manhunt: Mutiny - Comm#7 - Assassination Plot

||A group of True Sons defectors go through their plan, with one True Sons officer, Lieutenant Adkins, informing them that two True Sons, Wilson (Not the one from Jefferson Plaza) and Lopez, had answered the call and they're on watch at the Foundry.||

||One of the defectors, a woman, muses that her fellow modest band of outlaws is starting to look like a real resistance, then asks of Corporal Barnes' status. Adkins informs her that they lost him, leading the defector woman to ask if they can move Operation Rising Echo without Barnes.||

||Another defector answers if the timing is right, as General Anderson is a slippery bastard, and more paranoid than ever. Adkins points out they have the numbers, but if their intel is wrong, the resistance dies out.||

||A third defector then points out they can't accomplish their operation without help from the Division, which Adkins wonders if they'll listen to Wally. The defector woman answers the agents will listen, and they'll have to if they want to keep DC safe.||

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So, to put it simply, ||Operation Rising Echo is a plan made by True Sons defectors to assassinate General Anderson and take leadership.||

glad spruce
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I know it's not canon, but that SHD Prototype uniform we've seen in the in game MTX store feels like a prototype Hunter armor, or at least a Mark 1.

ashen jungle
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I admit, my first thought on seeing it was "that is "witch in wizard of oz" levels of weak to a cup of water being thrown at it".

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I mean I still want it, but I could see it being a DARPA prototype for a Hunter Suit.

ember vector
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How could Aaron Keener and his team fit into what is happening right now with ||the end of the Black Tusk-True Sons alliance and the mutiny inside the True Sons faction?|| I know we talk too much about him but I feel like he is going to play a major role in the future.

torn shoal
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i dont think the cabal arc with begin anytime soon, not until we put the 3 other faction out of action for a while at least

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unless there is an active threat going on or an opportunity, which doesnt seem to be the case cause we seem to be oriented toward a true son heavy story rn

glad spruce
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Yeah, the current season is pretty much the Division/True Sons defectors vs General Anderson and his loyalists.

I don't know about you all, but I predict we'll bag Anderson in the Climax Mission

ember vector
late void
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Seems unlikely they would have an ending with the bulk of the true sons becoming allies instead of enemies (too many changes required to the default endgame open world and missions). So maybe another faction splinter like back in the Lewis season, and a new hostile leader to keep up our supply of baddies to kill?

Although given the devs now seem to have the resources to make bigger changes and events in game, perhaps we really are reaching a major endgame update that'll replace the hostile true sons somehow.

torn shoal
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i think at best we stop anderson and the true sons get a new leader, but thats about it

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yeah there is no way we get true sons allies, or just a few like lewis to voice some stuff

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but im not sure we will get anderson this season, might only make him desperate and alone, and then capture him next season

autumn island
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-# which means the very bad blizzard that takes out the main fob in D.C

torn shoal
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i highly doubt true sons will be useful in any capacity to help take down nat since they cant even hold it together when they have the numbers

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its weird the true sons are presented to division agents as a major threat and we got big bosses to fight that are actualyl hard and vs bt they cant even beat up one guy, but someone we win vs bt more than everyone else

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i guess anyone helping division is nerfed lol

alpine heath
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nat and calvin McManus are working together so I think mcmanus is trying to seize control while everythings gone to poop making them technically the standing government but manny and the division are trying everything to not let that happen I think

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I havent been up to date since crossroads though

torn shoal
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true sons have done way better than outcast and hyenas tho

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even after ridgeway died

alpine heath
ashen jungle
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That's because they're effectively done, as far as we're aware.
Outcasts forward push kinda died with Shaw, and who is even left to run the Hyenas at this point?

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an Outcast/Hyenas resurgence could work with a new Incursion, but I can't imagine a full campaign featuring them in the future.
My bet is that they'll stay mostly gone, and we're getting new factions for div3.

sick lantern
alpine heath
glad spruce
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Considering Y4S3/Season 11 also have various mentions about the St.Louis plot point, I'm not sure Recruited should be counted as recent.

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Besides that, in one of her notes from Y5S3 Kelso mentions the ||Kansas CORE being attacked, which caused disruptions to the SHD Network, which is also where Recruited's final chapters take place.||

alpine heath
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also WHY THE CLEANERS??arenb't they just the worst

glad spruce
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Only Cleaners are in NYC/Brooklyn

And no, besides the bounties from the Manhunts, they shouldn't be counted as canon

alpine heath
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oh! has there ever been an update to those "on valassi's trail" comms from div 1?? he was me favorite until I heard those and all of a sudden Im seeing reddit posts about valassi being compromised by keener

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and is Ruth Massi ok??

sick lantern
alpine heath
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true I dont think she ever mentioned she was a reporter or anything like that. the last comm though was just so.. eerie

torn shoal
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I like valassi lol, but the rants dont make sense in div 2, society already collapsed, so not like u could predict it

alpine heath
surreal hearth
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This is pretty much our army that Lewis was trying to set up before the black tusk found out and executed everyone who’s a traitor

glad spruce
surreal hearth
wicked gorge
glad spruce
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Yeah, we're currently in November, lore wise.

The timeline in the game doesn't work the same as real life. If it was, Manny's kid would've been a toddler by now lol

torn shoal
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that remind me, if world pop decreased by like 90%, we should get super heavy winters coming

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planet would have cooled off

glad spruce
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It would certainly explain the heavy blizzard of winter D.C as we've seen in Survivors concept art

sleek plover
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If you could lead/create a faction, what would it be like?

glad spruce
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A commune

wicked gorge
fair cove
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yo i have a question, why do rogue agents have to sort of "hit" the ISAC brick in order to go rogue?

wicked gorge
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Cause we have to upset ISAC by hitting it to flag us as rogue

fair cove
sick lantern
torn shoal
torn shoal
little crown
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I'd love to create a Janitors/No Littering faction that goes around cleaning up all the dead bodies and junk from the streets. And wears shirts with slogans like "What Cleaners should be doing" or "Outcast this in the trash".

autumn island
little crown
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"Recycle, Reuse, Repurpose and Retaliate!"

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I think there's some room there to play.

toxic ginkgo
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i feel like if we got ANNA instead of ISAC the division 2 would be improved in some aspects

autumn island
glad spruce
toxic ginkgo
crystal beacon
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Hopefully we play as wave 1 or 3 in div 3

ashen jungle
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Playing as a bunch of dead bodies is a bold choice.

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Wave 1 are dead, very notably.

crystal beacon
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Somewhere 😅

ashen jungle
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The ones that are still alive are all Rogue.

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Because any Agent that got out of the DZ, was marked as such.

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You actually will get to play as a Wave 1 Agent in Resurgence, there's been info about it dropped during livestreams and such.

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"jumping timelines", I think is the term.

crystal beacon
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Resurgence?

ashen jungle
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Div mobile f2p game coming out.

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It has its own discord.

crystal beacon
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Ah

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Unfortunately my device can't handle that lmao

ashen jungle
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"for every problem, there is a solution" - Roy Benitez on getting more mashed potatoes.

crystal beacon
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Atleast 1st person is teased in number 3

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Ooh hopefully usable vehicles will be a thing in the future

ashen jungle
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Teased in number 3?

crystal beacon
crystal beacon
ashen jungle
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I'd love a link.

crystal beacon
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Lemme find it rq

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Nvm can't find even tho I saw something like first person mode for 3

ashen jungle
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That makes sense, as we don't have any info about 3 yet.

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All we know so far is that it's being worked on, "will be a monster", and it's going to come out at some point after the Survivors gamemode.

crystal beacon
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That's irritating

ashen jungle
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MSV are old-school devs, they don't like to talk about stuff until it's done/fixed, generally speaking.

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We didn't get an announcement trailer for WONY until a month before it came out.

crystal beacon
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Oh wait I might of seen it about ghost recon not division

ashen jungle
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Yeah different dev team, unrelated property. Not even lore-linked.

crystal beacon
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Sorry about that

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Different team but owned by the same company

ashen jungle
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The series have no relation to each other whatsoever.

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Ubisoft owns a lot of teams, but Rabbids and Div aren't linked either.

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Ubisoft bought out the Tom Clancy name in its entirety back in 2008.

crystal beacon
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I get that

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But at end of the day the games will always be fun

ashen jungle
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uh sure

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anyway, back to the lore talk now.

crystal beacon
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Now what is happening on the west coast in the timeline of 2?

sinful mauve
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LA firestorm. just kidding

crystal beacon
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Or is the nuclear missiles in safe hands?

sinful mauve
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For now, the briefcase to launch the nukes is now at the hands on BTSU

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idk how they gonna launch it though

glad spruce
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There's still the Presidential Clearance for the nukes, which is held on Faye Lau's watch.

And Kelso has it with her

sinful mauve
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'Kelso had to go' - Manny

crystal beacon
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So Faye is the only one left with the nuclear codes

glad spruce
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Technically, yeah

crystal beacon
glad spruce
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Not really.

There are the Langley Reports comm collection, but they focus on the state of the world outside US and how they were dealing with the outbreak

crystal beacon
glad spruce
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Black Tusk.

True Sons for second

crystal beacon
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For me it is true sons after the mutiny thing went on

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What do we get after this season hunt?

sinful mauve
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either we finally getting to arrest General Anderson for the third time in a Raid map or Massive decided to put the Climax mission at the Stronghold of True Son

crystal beacon
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I hope we reform true sons

ashen jungle
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Into a pile of ashes?

sinful mauve
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in-gameplay wise, won't happen. Cause we still need an enemy faction in DC anyways

crystal beacon
glad spruce
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The defectors can stay

autumn island
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I need morw ANNA screen time with more witt and sass

autumn island
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So, we are setting up a FOB for the True Sons ay? Seems interesting, hope they can help us in the fight against sokolova in the near future

stiff terrace
sleek plover
crystal beacon
glad spruce
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Manhunt: Mutiny - Comm#8 - Encounter

||Agent Kelso recalls an impactful encounter with the True Sons, where she found herself caught by one of them during their skirmishes. She was held by gunpoint by a squad of the hostiles, and believed she would die there.||

||Then suddenly, that True Sons who was holding Kelso at gunpoint was knocked down, then a woman came by and shouted at the rest of enemy squad to go down in the ground. That woman happened to be a True Son defector, as Kelso noted, as she checked if the agent was okay and advised her to be careful.||

||Kelso made this recording in hopes that Manny will hear it, even if she doubts he'll get the chance. She tells him she's been hearing stories all across D.C, with the rebellion going, changes are coming with people starting to rise up.||

crystal beacon
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@glad spruce what manhunt week are we on?

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I don't have division 2 downloaded

glad spruce
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Week 8/12

crystal beacon
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Okay

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Time to download division 2

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Also I hope we get a true sons unique item at the end of the season

torn shoal
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i saw someone talking about having vehicules in div 2 like in destiny 2, but im not sure the game would handle it well

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but in canon there isnt many vehicules left beside helicopters ?

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which is weird, they use way more fuel than a car, granted they go faster/around obstacle, its kinda weird to not have any ground vehicules giving the shortage of basically everything

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like u would think they use armored cars or with turrets to connect settlements or even cp

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and in first rogue we saw keener drive a car with kelso, so its not like there was a reason in lore to not have a car running anyway

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i mean other than the game engine not being able to handle it

glad spruce
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I'd have thought after the entirety of Year 6 and 2/3rd of Year 7, ||some folks here would be glad to hear Kelso's voice again.||

But then, I remember that frackin meme

glad spruce
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Baseless Prediction:

||Kelso will be involved in the Climax Mission.||

surreal hearth
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Seems like more and more true sons are defecting even after one of them saved Kelsos life

autumn island
sleek plover
glad spruce
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Nah, we need them.

No way we can eliminate General Anderson without their help.

torn shoal
glad spruce
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Exactly

glad spruce
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We're not in any position to disrupt Black Tusk's network, yet...

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We'll need all the help we can get

slim light
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ok so i just got the scout 8 coms and kelso finally makes a return?

glad spruce
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Yes

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I doubt her VA returned just for a single audio log.

I'm betting she's a bit more involved in this season's storyline.

ashen jungle
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Not having listened to it yet, who was her dialogue with?

glad spruce
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Not a dialogue. Just herself ||recording a private audio message to Manny, detailing her encounter with a True Son defector that saved her before she was gonna be executed by Anderson's loyalists who had managed to ambush her, and how this rebellion is affecting the city.||

stiff terrace
ashen jungle
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Okay so if it was just her solo, it's more likely the VA is back, than with another and it being recorded earlier on.

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Especially any of the ones that a certain ANNA's VA does.

stiff terrace
ashen jungle
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You don't need to keep tagging me with info I already have, thanks.

stiff terrace
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It was a private message to manny

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I keep forgetting about auto @

wicked gorge
ashen jungle
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I can already see where this conversation is going, and let's just end this here.

stiff terrace
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?

glad spruce
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Discussions in the lore channel that veer into real life politics are not allowed

stiff terrace
glad spruce
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Yeah, but that was a discussion very likely to veer into real life political stuff

And the server has policies against discussing politics

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Also, Phoenix, buddy.

Just as a tip, Jacobin is very strongly-opinionated when it comes to the enemy factions or even their former members/defectors, so best you keep a distance from 'em.

@wicked gorge

wicked gorge
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I know but I’m just saying. The division has always shown there’s 2 sides to every story and it isn’t as black and white as we want it to be

torn shoal
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that was back then, now its very much going for the black and white stuff

glad spruce
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Not everyone see it that way

ashen jungle
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If you're going to try and make the "div2 modern plot bad" thing work fully, you do have to ignore a lot of what came before.
The end of div1 is incredibly black+white, every base-game enemy faction is unequivocally bad in div1+2, with the arguable point about the Outcasts, but even they went way too far.

That's just a thing this series does. The nuance now with the Cabal and Rogues and such is arguably the most morally vague plot we've ever had.

torn shoal
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im not saying it's bad now, it's just less deep overall, which is fine, just not what I would have gone for

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in div 1 there was much more grey area, vilains were bad but had a somewhat valid reason, where in div 2 beside outcast, it's not so much true

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there also was some retcon iirc for keener

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but in div 1 we didnt who Hunters were working for so that's also différent

ashen jungle
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You are welcome to your opinion.

ember temple
glad spruce
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Sounds the same to me

ember temple
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Thanks just thought I'd double check with you since you'd be the best one to know

hoary cove
ashen jungle
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It's been a while since she recorded lines, it's entirely possible that her voice was a little different this time.
I've heard voices can change over time, although I can't confirm that part.

frosty bluff
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Maybe she’s tired from having to go into hiding because of the Black Tusk

sleek plover
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Black Tusks

Tusk is a type of teeth

black teeth means tooth decay(cavities)

Black tusk is tooth decay

ashen jungle
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Not to get IRL in here or anything, but look up actual PMC's with a certain reputation and you'll see some....creative similarities.

sleek plover
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A.S.S. (Armed Security Solutions)

stoic ridge
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How many people in total have died from the dollar flu? Probably Less than the amount of enemies we have all killed

stiff terrace
ashen jungle
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The black plague was about 1/3rd of Europe (assuming you are talking about the really big hit of it) a very long time ago.
The Green Poison was designed to wipe out 90%+ of all humanity. It's more.

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If we're going for pure numbers: IIRC it's Malaria, but smallpox was up there, which is why the Green Poison was primarily a modified smallpox strain, amongst others.

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So tl;dr anything counted in a vacuum is going to look worse, depending on when you count it. Data is tricky like that.

torn shoal
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yeah everytime i talk about this people get weird and think im some kind of psycho

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people always remember people dying in big number in a single instance, not the small numbers over such a long period of time its actually way more than it looks

sick lantern
torn shoal
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if 90+% of world pop is dead, thats at least 6/6.5 billion dead in a few months

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but even if most people died from the green poison, lot of people died from other causes, but that were caused by the green poison disrupting everything

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like if the hospitals were full, lot of people died from lack of care that werent even sick from the dollar flu

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and a death toll that high, other problems emerge, like food/water supply chains broken, basic injuries getting untreated, and so on

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thats why in settlement they work hard to make that work again in priority

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tho i would still not touch that fish taco

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and that comes from a guy that kinda like french tacos

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which are already a crime against food

ember vector
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So, when are we expecting the next climax mission? In two weeks or three weeks? I always seem to guess wrong. I'm excited to see where the story goes from there.

glad spruce
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We just finished week 8, so four left

ember vector
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Thanks for the reply Hawkster!

glad spruce
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You're welcome o7

unkempt hill
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I’m in New York today for work, during survival weekend, and i just drove past the H apartments. I got the best survival spawn!

cold bramble
feral tusk
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Yo

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How the hell is keener alive?

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Didnt i shoot him with a glock back in warlords of ny?

sick lantern
autumn island
feral tusk
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Huh

torn shoal
ashen jungle
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I know the word "iconic" lost all meaning a long time ago, but it's still irritating to read it being used so poorly.

sinful mauve
# feral tusk Huh

Our agents have contact lenses that navigate, scan, even see our enemies using Pulse SHD. Everything we see, we rely on the lenses.

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I think the live action Division origin showed this already.

sick lantern
sinful mauve
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Yeah that's how they see it through contact lenses

little crown
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It suggests that of the thousands of bad guys we’ve killed maybe only a few are real which is why we can keep clearing district arena?

stiff terrace
little crown
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That's cool. 🙂

sleek plover
torn shoal
sick lantern
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we call it a Yorkshire pudding wrap, because that's what it is, and a burrito is a completely different thing

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bit of a disingenuous name to be honest

glad spruce
# little crown It suggests that of the thousands of bad guys we’ve killed maybe only a few are ...

That doesn't work that way. Only Keener and Theo hacked our contact lenses to make us believe we killed them.

As far the story is concerned, the missions/strongholds/climax missions that we all play through are only done once.

Any time we re-run them, it's for gameplay reasons.

As for the extra comms for the previous season that we got in this season, I simply headcanon them as Schaeffer intercepting them while we were busy messing up Nat's Summit back then, and thought they were relevant enough to be delivered to us xD

torn shoal
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yeah even if there is a lot of bad guys ingame, in lore 90+% of pop died, so not many people left to kill

glass notch
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Any news on Theo and Maral?

glad spruce
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Aside from him staying in The Bridge to care for his child and Maral? Not much.

That being said, the settlement is still in danger as long as Amherst's printer is still there.

Ironically, that fricking printer is our best shot of making BSAV vaccines, with the Perfusion Bioreactor in Black Tusk's custody.

autumn island
glad spruce
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They probably have it on one of their HQs, and heavily fortified

ashen jungle
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They should probably keep it in-doors, weather protection.

autumn island
sleek plover
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damn i hate lmb

torn shoal
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bt is way stronger than hyenas

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we cant storm them like that

glad spruce
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Yeah, so I was informed from a friend of mine that today's comm has no audio nor subtitles

So, I won't bother summarizing the comm until the coming Y7S3.2 update is out, whenever that is.

slim light
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looks like the new com of this season doesnt have audio inside of it

glad spruce
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Yeah, like I said

torn shoal
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reading the message right above challenge 100% impossible (am guilty of this too)

feral tusk
wicked gorge
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When Keener didn’t do anything wrong, that’s when they became iconic

feral tusk
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Man i gotta catch up to the manhunts

echo garden
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I've been trying to catch up on things I've missed, chunks of stuff I've missed, and as I'm going through videos, I was curious if anyone knows, I don't know if I missed information somewhere, are we still having to rely on mobile SHD servers after reign of fire? Or is the main network fixed?

glad spruce
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IIRC, we're still relying on the Mobile SHD Servers

autumn island
glad spruce
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That's what happens when we deal with a DIAMOND 💎

torn shoal
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nobody remember the vilains from most manhunts thats how forgetable they were

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even the first manhunt i already forgot the name of the shield guy

ashen jungle
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Technically speaking, the first Manhunt was Keener.

torn shoal
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yeah i was refering to the manhunt as a whole, not just the final target

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that smoke on your avatar is funky tho

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u look like a hunter

ember vector
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And the third Manhunt was Hornet whom we last saw in Russian Consulate from the first game.

torn shoal
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yeah but hornet was more of a joke than anything serious

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also this manhunt doesnt make sense anymore since keener is good™ now and doesnt kill "civilians"

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its funny how that retcon complicates thing so much more lol

glad spruce
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Keener did nothing wrong.

For legal reasons, this is a joke.

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For me, The Pact Manhunt was very awesome.

And I'm 95% sure this season's Manhunt is gonna kick some ass, as well.

torn shoal
glad spruce
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The latter

torn shoal
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you're easily convinced

glad spruce
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Lol, probably.

But then again, I'm also in the copium that Faye Lau was a hero.

We were just too stubborn to get it, until it was too late.

torn shoal
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oh no, its been clear now

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she wasnt retconned, she was heavily hinted to be actually not rogue but a double agent to help us

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it just took way too many seasons to get schaeffer to wake up

wicked gorge
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EVERYONE INSIDE THE CITY HALL IN LOWER MANHATTAN WERE HOLOGRAMS

torn shoal
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i really dislike the whole "we can fake everything now" tbh

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cause we can just assume anything happenning isnt real/altered and like what are we supposed to hold on to

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we cant trust isac it been hacked several times now, anna is cool but we have 0 reason to trust her, same for everyone

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and the bfb video modified show that it will get worse

ember vector
# torn shoal also this manhunt doesnt make sense anymore since keener is good™ now and doesnt...

Every villain has a tragic origin story and Keener being abandoned in the Dark Zone and almost being killed by Rikers while trying to save civilians sent him over the edge. His actions define him as a true villain of course but I blame the JTF (and by extension, society) all the same for what he has become and what he has had to do to survive, especially in a post-apocalyptic world where I'm sure your morals and values go all out of the window because your survival instinct kicks right in first.

torn shoal
glad spruce
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Okay, but the only instances of deep fakes in the games were Keener/Theo/Sarah faking their deaths, and Matthew Grant filming propaganda against Keener and his settlement.

So, let's not act like everything that happened previously were deep fakes.

torn shoal
glad spruce
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.....

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You know what, I'm not gonna bother anymore.

You're simply a lost cause.

torn shoal
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bruh

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im not saying everything is deepfake, im saying because of that scene, everything can be

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and we have no meaningful way of saying for sure what is and isnt

glad spruce
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If you truly believe that everything we've seen throughout the games were deep fakes, then believe that, at your own discretion.

Cuz I believe differently

torn shoal
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im not saying what we seen is false, im saying we have no way of knowing if its true or false just by itself
its like the ai slop we see right now, sure when its obvious we know its ai slop, but if its actually done properly, you cant even tell u seen ai slop, cause you think its part of the real stuff you watch and not the bad ai slop

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its like the survivor biais

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you cant tell what you missed, because you missed it, thats the point of the biais

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lets pretend there is another scene in previous manhunt that was fake, and later we find out it was faked, how would we know only this one is fake, and not another ?

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until they introduce a way to tell in another season, we just cant tell

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so until then, the amount of whats faked can be from 0% up to 100%, there is litterally 0 way of knowing

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hopefully it wont be the case, cause i dont want another "actually this season of the show was a dream"

ember temple
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Exactly

torn shoal
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anyone saying "we would know if there was another deepfake", is missing the point of deepfakes in the first place

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if you could tell, nobody would use deep fakes

sleek plover
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damn i hate lmb

sick lantern
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“the JTF (and by extension, society)” we live in a Dark Zone 🃏

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Keener’s motivations were never “survival instinct”, he wanted power

glad spruce
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It's always survival

sick lantern
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if you want to be technical with it

autumn island
autumn island
glad spruce
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Okay, but Black Tusk need to be stopped. Cal need to be stopped. The Cabal need to be stopped.

Natalya Sokolova need to be stopped.

sick lantern
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that’s not what’s being discussed

torn shoal
# glad spruce It's always survival

bt wasnt a thing in div 1 he still unleashed hell on jtf, captured tchernenko, made the eclipse virus to be sold to the highest bider in the last echo, bombed the 2nd wave plane and killed the commander, helped lmb killing jtf, civilians and division agents, helped rikers and cleaners, etc

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he specifically said in a alley that saving people wasnt his goal anymore and that it was only power

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he executed agents that said wouldnt follow him

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at some point you cant ignore all thoses actions

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he sent rogues to kill us several times too

glad spruce
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Manhunt: Mutiny - Comm#9 - Last Chance

||General Anderson is in a call with a Black Tusk lieutenant, who's acting on behalf of Natalya Sokolova, as he wants to talk her. However, the Black Tusk lieutenant stalls off Anderson enough, to inform him that Nat wants him out of East Mall, as him and his True Sons are standing in the way.||

||Anderson got frustrated after the call, calling Nat an ungrateful fu**ing parasite.||

glad spruce
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You know what would be very funny? After we finish the Climax Mission, Nat sends a taunting message to the Division agents in an attempt to provoke us, ranting about what we're doing is meaningless and hopeless, and how she and her Black Tusk are the future.

stiff terrace
glad spruce
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I still want to see her lose sanity, and act like a manic narcissitic sociopath that she really is.

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Y'know, given the hints and teases about the Climax Mission, I'd imagine this week's comm is a set up for why Anderson's loyalists are pushed out from central DC

sick lantern
glad spruce
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I don't care, I still want to see it

glad spruce
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Besides, the best story moments are the ones where villains just loses it when everything they've built is in ruins

median crag
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Can’t wait for the part in the story where Keener betrays the Division (again) and is lost to the wind after BT is defeated

glad spruce
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Keener is a hero, and you won't change my mind

median crag
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You can have that opinion

torn shoal
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i dont see any world where nat loses it entirely

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even if bt entirely crumbled down and she lost it all, she would work her way back to the top, not throw a tantrum

glad spruce
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That's because she sees herself as a god, beyond any measure of human flaws

torn shoal
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she doesnt just think she is better than everyone, she is actually smarter than most, and its not from nothing, she can make it even after losing

sick lantern
glad spruce
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Fine, you guys made your point.

But we all know Nat takes it personally when someone doesn't respect or insult her.

torn shoal
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yes, but she is not the type to show it externally

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she is def not the type to have blood boiling at the first inconvenience and explode

hard crow
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is the command link defector thing canon technically.

glad spruce
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In a technical sense, yes.

Story wise, we're working with the defectors to find and bring Anderson to justice.

wicked gorge
hard crow
proud flax
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Wait is the silence in this week comm part of it

glad spruce
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Yes, and it's a few seconds of silence

cold bramble
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Interesting stuff happening in the story I see?

glad spruce
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Yeah. Anderson got told by Natalya to f off via a proxy, and were ordered to pull out from East Mall, we're helping the defectors with their Operation Rising Echo, and Kelso was rescued by a defector before a squad of Anderson's loyalists were gonna execute her.

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Things aren't looking good for Anderson and his loyalists.

And given how much they've been pushed away by the Division/JTF or BTSU, they're likely to consolidate their power to their HQ.

cold bramble
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Holyyy. Guess I got some catching up to do

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Their hq is in east mall right?

glad spruce
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No.