division-universe

[ashen jungle]

but you can be 2 things.

[frosty bluff]

I just meant he wasn’t some ordinary futures trader, since he has a military background. Didn’t mean that he wasn’t a futures trader nor part of the military

[slate plank]

Keener has charisma, which made him a damn good future trader, division agent, and rogue agent

[frosty bluff]

Bro swindled both the LMB and BT and somewhat took control over the Cleaners and Rikers

[ashen jungle]

Well, the cleaners were easy, since apparently Joe Ferro wasn't even really in charge even before he died, according to a comm in WONY.
Rikers just respect the strongest person, since that's no longer Barret, Dragov was a good choice.

All Keener had to do was run cons on Conley+Dragov and it was sorted.

[sinful mauve]

Rikers feared Keener since he execute some to push Dragov working with him. He still hates Rikers after what they done to the civilians Keener rescued them in the Dark zone

[ashen jungle]

He's really not that deep, he doesn't care who he works with, as long as it gets his own goals forward.

It depends on which version of Keener we're talking about though.

[sleek plover]

How many division agents does it take to change a light bulb?

The answer is 3

One to go rogue.
Another to be killed by the rogue.

The third one is the guy who kills the rogue and change the lightbulb themselves

[sleek plover]

Christmas edition

He is forced to play with kids of the WH while dressed up as santa

[glad spruce]

2 days left till the Climax Mission

[torn shoal]

u seem eager

[glad spruce]

I'm always eager for Manhunt Climax Missions

[mortal flame]

So have you heard of the tragedy of Noble Squad’s leader? It’s a story the casuals won’t know about….. true lore masters remember his story told through scribbling on the margins of a book it’s an actual pretty good urban survival guide honestly

[pseudo ridge]

Whats the lore on Hunters

[sick lantern]

they are Division agents persuaded by Calvin McManus to assassinate other Division agents to assist the takeover of the country

[sick lantern]

or, you know, anyone who did the side misison about him...

hell one of the collectibles from Shields in Div 1 was literally his recorded dying words

[pseudo ridge]

Why do they hardly/never speak, why do some wear masks, and the ones in Countdown don't, are they former Rogues that are just a step above?

[torn shoal]

they are supposed be a safeguard for agents going rogue, under leadership of mcmanus, but now they hunt all agents and consider them all rogue and work with bt

agents existed before hunters, then after some went rogue it was decided to create the hunter program in exchange for rogues being able to use tech while rogue

[sick lantern]

they wear masks and don't speak because their identities are secret
they're not rogues (in the traditional red watch sense), they were recruited before the outbreak as far as we know
the Hunters in Countdown are dubiously canon I'm not fully sure

[torn shoal]

most hunters ingame are not canon beside maybe 3 or 4

[pseudo ridge]

I just noticed they were defined ingame as the highest tier enemy and I remembered the other day I never finished any of the hunters for any of the locations so I started thinking on why they exist and why theyre weird to interact with

[torn shoal]

they are specialized in taking down agents specifically, their tech target agents tech its capable of hacking your skills for example

[pseudo ridge]

Yeah the forced emp, I also recently did the amusement park manhunt which has a Hunter in it that was acting more of a horror villian lol

[sinful mauve]

Most hunters you find in the puzzles theres not much lore to it. Its just Division Agents turned Hunters with Personality masks

[torn shoal]

the hunters on mission are canon, there is the coney island, stranded tanker, and recruiter i think

[sinful mauve]

Except Deceit, Patriot and well Recruiter yeah theres lore to it

[torn shoal]

hunters are considered the biggest threat to division agents

[sinful mauve]

The desperated Agent that wanna kill Shaffers rogues but gets disturbed by us, Patriotic Agent, and our dearest Agent Johnson from the promotional trailers. How could he 🙁

[torn shoal]

someone smart once said : betrayal never comes from your enemies

[sinful mauve]

Yeah

i wonder how Ward and Dunne will react when their Cell team Marksman turned Hunter

[sick lantern]

“what a douche”

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I can't imagine they're very upset about that.

Especially when Ward ||was in the Texas Core during the events of Hunted||

[mortal flame]

I was trying to be poetic about it…….

[sick lantern]

no offence but it sounded more like elitism

[mortal flame]

Exactly what I was thinking… Ward does show up in the novels….

what is this negativity…..

[sinful mauve]

Dont worry as she was an ex-FBI agent, she prob doing her investigation right now soo she wont know much about their former cell team wherabouts

[sick lantern]

"a story the casuals won’t know about….. true lore masters remember his story told through scribbling on the margins of a book" when most everything of his perspective is in fact in the game, not the book

[mortal flame]

well one perspective is from a character not many people care about so, I think a different perspective on a character is valid

I’m a casual… I never even finished Div 1 or Div 2 for that matter. Just a lore enthusiast

[sinful mauve]

Theory: Necronus Hunter is the lead hunters of Brooklyn which why they made him the last hunter to hunt. Just a theory lol

I mean look at his Pauldron, the guy litelarry stack his 8 watches only on his pauldron

[tepid ibex]

who plays the grinch

[sleek plover]

Bardon Schaeffer

[glad spruce]

Nah. Schaeffer's too good hearted to be the Grinch lol

[torn shoal]

lz hunters arent canons, they dont leave clues for u to find them and fight fair

[tepid ibex]

NOOOOO

[glad spruce]

Tomorrow!

[sleek plover]

Tomorrow!

I love ya!

Tomorrow!

Is only a day away!

[mortal flame]

? What’s tomorrow? Announcements for Division 3?

[slate plank]

New season and division livestream and most importantly, the climax mission

[mortal flame]

What’s a climax mission?… seriously…. lol I don’t know what it is

[slate plank]

Season exclusive mission

[mortal flame]

So that’s what they meant when the person said “Climax Mission Hunter is not canon” lol

[slate plank]

At the end of a season, there is going to be mission in a mission location. For example, Roosevelt island has two missions based on two different seasons

[mortal flame]

You an IGN Stan?

[slate plank]

I wanna bet the climax mission location is gonna be located at the capitol cuz that’s where the true sons stronghold is

[mortal flame]

Was that this/next season’s main antagonists || I thought we decimated their leadership ten times over already besides that “general” guy ||

I’d honestly like some continuation of the story of the agent that || helped Kelleher to make it back to DC while he went to defend some Oil Fields from the BT, cross my fingers||

[slate plank]

I will say, we keep putting down true sons and their leaders numerous times but they keep getting supported by black tusk. Although, Nat sokolova did mention she’s getting tired of dealing with the true sons’ incompetence to do the job properly. I also wanna believe that while true sons’s and black tusk’s alliance is slowly breaking apart, the current general did ask about the helmet and gear Schaffer used so it’s possible the general may be difficult to put down in the coming climax mission

[mortal flame]

Wait so the guy is going to cosplay Schaffer for the final battle?

[slate plank]

It’s rumored so I won’t be surprised

[mortal flame]

those guys with the one shot sniper builds are going to make this look easy lol

[torn shoal]

it is canon tho

[mortal flame]

you’re not wrong lol

[glad spruce]

I'm not gonna lie, RC. I thought you were trolling when you said that you don't know what a Climax Mission

[glad spruce]

Unfortunately, I have a movie to see tomorrow, so I'll be late on summarizing the final comms and the Climax mission.

[ember vector]

Alright I just heard Keener call Faye Lau the cyclops and I just can't! 🤣

[stiff terrace]

What’s the lau situation? I shot her in the face yesterday after she 360 no scoped Ellis. Is she good rogue, corrupt rogue or agent rogue?

[glad spruce]

The Good Rogue.

[torn shoal]

the rewriting of rogues into good rogue is still crazy, we went 180° just cause bt is strong and we need help

[slate plank]

Hunters, black tusk, true sons, hyenas, and outcasts vs SHD and a few rogue agents isn’t something I would be expecting

I’m assuming division survivors would be about how the division fell apart because black tusk finally succeeded

[stiff terrace]

Na, winter hit the White House and it’s cut back division power I’d imagine. Jtf and settlements either hunkering down or starving do not care or have the resources to assist during the white out

Most of the division retreats and scatters but we were unlucky to be left behind or something

[glad spruce]

I guess we'll find out once they reveal more info.

[mortal flame]

If you’ve known me since I joined this server, you’d know I’m a lore fanatic, but didn’t even make it past the 1st mission on my main on Day 1……..

Don’t have Xbox live either so I can’t enjoy the dark zone

[ashen jungle]

Claiming to be fanatical about the lore, without having actually played the games is a bit.....
You should go play div1.

[glad spruce]

I'll be in cinema while you guys do the Climax Mission.

So I'll be off this server until I finish it myself.

[torn shoal]

u seeing running man ?

[glad spruce]

Predator: Badlands

[sudden mortar]

I guess we are finally going after the last hyena council member mayhem at some point, her and Bichon were the last notables hyenas members left.

[strange rock]

Going into the climax mission and looking who's at the mission 👀
Let's see what's happens

[sick lantern]

and Zodiac

[sudden mortar]

I didn't read the comics or the books, was he apprehended or something like that right?

[glad spruce]

No, that was someone named John.

Zodiac decided to hide when Books/Diesel/Dime made their stand at DUA

[sudden mortar]

a few points from the manhunt
|| Harlan Llyod, Mayhem And a unimportant named true son are Killed by us in the mission ||
||Natalya evacuated with a black tusk chopper from the Potomac region (mentioned only)||
|| Anderson also escaped and It seems like the true sons reestablished a BOO in that foundry we took on IH raid||
|| a True son soldier mentions to Anderson that their political groups started getting papers with Anderson's face and some words like mutinity and some revolution graffiti thing||

[fringe gale]

||next season is def a mass scale true sons mutiny||

[sudden mortar]

I guess nobody ever learns about alliances. First we had kenner rogues working with the LMB it didn't last long. Neither the factions patch to go after kenner at west pier region. Or the alliance of the cleaners working with keener rogue agents. Now this pact.

Note: if you are in the division world and you have a faction, do not make an alliance with another faction, it never ends well.

[sick lantern]

the Operation Crossroads trilogy disagrees

[strange rock]

So ||the Strategist is a heavy 🤣 ||

[lone salmon]

||nice to finally dome Mayhem after so long||

[lone salmon]

||fits really, dude's a coward||

[glad spruce]

||And was a real pos. Good riddance||

[lone salmon]

||and speaking of coward hopefully next season means we can finally corner that sob||

||would be super cool if they used the foundry for the climax mission||

||and ngl seeing the target name almost made me think we're going to the Summit for the climax (even if we kinda knew already that we're going to Tidal Basin again) but nope, different kinda summit||

||also i ngl i laughed at the whole Tom Sargeant guy's shtick. Punny ranks, refuses to swear||

[slim light]

But man || I can't believe i finally got to put down Mayhem the final council member and that sob strategist after he got bailed out||

[slim light]

|| i can smell either a revolution or a civil war within the true sons ranks||

[sick lantern]

again... Zodiac still exists

[slim light]

god dammat

[glad spruce]

Yeah, the Hyenas are far from finished.

[slim light]

Also i really || did wanted to get a hold of anderson and choke him for what he did in season 10 and last season||

[mortal flame]

@slim light look they need the characters for Division 3 lol. || Anderson will probably get killed in a cutscene by Natalia for being so bad at his job or even destroy or integrate the True Sons into the Black Tusk like they did with the LMB|| I wish I could have LMB outfit still. White is still cool, even though it’s not winter lol

[slim light]

I mean ||i do hope they ever turn the foundry intro a climax mission like how they did with countdown||

[mortal flame]

Interesting… though I wish they would make more comics… comics were cool

[fringe gale]

seems to be that way, if only lewis was here to see it lol

[mortal flame]

Our boy Lewis didn’t deserve to go out that way…. But he went out a hero

[glad spruce]

He did, but some here might disagree

[mortal flame]

Well… I mean sure he made some gas mortars…..

[torn shoal]

u could say the same about keener

[strange rock]

From the trello:

The Pact collectible list currently displays space for 15 seasonal comms. Only 14 are actually available. There is no 15th comm to find. The display will be corrected to show the correct total.

[fringe gale]

how many comms were in the finale mission? trying to see if i missed any

[glad spruce]

4

[glad spruce]

Finally finished the mission. And man, I loved it.

Even the ending cinematic is just chef kiss

[ember vector]

So they will remove the "Rikers" comm with Calvin McManus?

[glad spruce]

Yes

Given that Rikers and Cleaners weren't involved in the Pact's storyline, it wouldn't make sense to have a comm that's unrelated.

That Quid Pro Quo comm? ||I'm 100% sure that the records Natalya showed to Harlan Lloyd were forged. A way to manipulate him into joining the Summit.||

[marble dawn]

Yeah, wasn't Wally just a True Sons engineer at Pentco?

[glad spruce]

Yeah, she was, until she and Lewis defected since they wanted nothing to do with the True Sons-Black Tusk alliance

[glad spruce]

Unfortunate that she hasn't been involved in the story for a while.

But I guess working on the Castle is better than nothing

[marble dawn]

I was happy with seeing some ||familiar names with Mayhem and Strategist, though having killed them off also took out my dream of an bt backed outcast season complete with suicide warhounds||

[cold bramble]

Damm climax mission is wild

[glad spruce]

I don't think it's too far for me to say this has been my favorite Manhunt Climax Mission thus far.

[cold bramble]

Oh 100% agree with you there

Now we have to deal with the chaotic aftermath lol

[stiff terrace]

ahhh so those companion AI are linked to the lewis revolt and us weakening true sons to this point has caused them to start to go rogue and rebel.

[glad spruce]

Huh?

Oh yeah, I remember back in Season 10, there were comms where Lewis managed to convince a sizable number of True Sons to defect.

Unfortunately, a number of them were captured and executed.

I reckon the mutiny is inspired by Lewis' defiance against Anderson, hence why there's like a civil war between the True Sons.

Anyways, it's getting late, and I'll need sleep like badly.

I'll transcribe the comms, tomorrow.

Good night.

[slate plank]

just did the climax mission.

|| i was really hoping id see mayhem in a better mission, and i was not expecting the strategist to make an appearance given we arrested him in the story. however, i am pretty interested in how all of the factions are pretty clear that they will never make an alliance with each other anymore given how bad the summit went given the division made an appearance. now, the final part of the mission plus the cinematic afterward were really interesting||

|| this tells me true sons are gonna be a huge problem in the next season given anderson is NOT happy with the mutiny. the last part was really difficult cuz of the mortars. ill be surprised black tusk is still making moves. given that nat severed ties with true sons, i cant say im surprised since true sons let her down multiple times. now i did read what was said here, yeah hyenas still got zodiac, but what about the outcasts? the strategist is gone.||

||also i gotta say, mayhem is kinda...||

[sinful mauve]

Just spit it out Mack we know Mayhem looks lol

[mortal flame]

So question, if our mission is to save what remains….. what are we saving if all we do is literally destroy all important infrastructure every where we go ie weapons factories, power plants, oil depots….

[torpid yacht]

How did society collapse so fast in TD universe? We have Ebola and Covid-19 outbreak and the most of the world was mostly intact.

[frosty spoke]

Combination of factors at their worst. COVID only proved that if something as strong as Dollar Flu would hit us at bad timing, we would be screwed

[strange rock]

Am I the only one intrigued at that || final cutscene with Anderson in what seems to be the iron horse area||

[sick lantern]

🤦‍♂️ that doesn’t happen

[ashen jungle]

The last manhunt mission, we destroyed a bunch of weapon shipments because.......don't worry about it.

it's not like we were clearing out the base or anything so we'd have plenty of time to....oh wait.

[sick lantern]

that is true

but between… Countdown, Warrengate, Times Square, Falcon Lost, two thirds of Operation Crossroads any anything else I’m forgetting
the SHD very much do save infrastructure usually

[ashen jungle]

The refinery in BfB was a big one, there must've been some way to stop that explosion, but we didn't try.
I'm actually not even sure what happened to the Stranded Tanker at this point.

It's all about long-term supplies, things we could need for a decade down the line. the JTF are clearly planning for the long term, you don't set up seasonal farms without planning for the future.

[slate plank]

So I just realized something: || if black tusk severed ties with true sons, how were true sons using war hounds in the final fight of the climax mission?? And black tusk’s mortars?||

[frosty bluff]

||I doubt they'd cancel their access with their tech that fast||

||I mean, Shaeffer still has access to bt tech||

[glad spruce]

We kinda had to since the last thing we needed was True Sons using Black Tusk weapons

[ashen jungle]

Corpses can't use guns.

Unless you prop them up on a wall and duct-tape the rifle to theim.

[glad spruce]

What is with this obsession with securing Black Tusk weapons?

It's better to destroy them before more True Sons tries to escape with them.

Better safe than sorry.

[glad spruce]

||One of the radio dialogs from True Sons did mention trying to escape to the Foundry with the Black Tusk weapons. So, I suppose it's not too far to say after Anderson re-established his alliance with Black Tusk back in Season 10, he had his True Sons re-establish their base of operations at the Iron Horse Foundry.||

[sick lantern]

because

1. procuring supplies and establishing friendly support networks is a core part of a Division agent's skillset
2. the good guys in DC desperately need to be better equipped

why not carry on the precedent set by the Castle rebuild

it's narratively satisfying to see characters be good at what they're supposed to be good at
that's setup and payoff

[ashen jungle]

The early game non-story +classified missions are mostly about either securing supplies, or securing a person who can help a settlement/the BoO solve a supply problem, which is like half of what building a working society is.
If we had ignored that, most folks in DC would've starved by now, since even the fish that they mention in BfB wouldn't be around, since we fixed that up in the Aquarium side mission. That's just one example of us solving a problem by fixing a supply chain issue.

I think it's proven that the BoO itself is woefully unprepared for an attack, even now. They could definitely do with better guns, more ammo, better defences, etc.

[glad spruce]

Sure. But I think with this Climax Mission, this is by far the most unambiguous victory the Division has ever had since Jupiter Manhunt, I'd reckon.

Nat lost a month's worth of product and materials, gave up on what could've been her most effective plan to decimate the Division, willingly cut ties with the True Sons, we added another tally to Hyena leadership off the board, and we prevented the Outcasts from becoming a problem again

And with Black Tusk and True Sons alliance, they both suffer attrition.

The mutiny happening within the True Sons is also icing on the cake.

[ashen jungle]

We're not talking about this particular mission, we're talking about the Agents actions for a while now, how they seem to be ignorant to the fact that supplies are better used, rather than lost.

Also I know this is a nitpick, but "decimate", means reduce by 1/10th. Okay carry on.

[torn shoal]

if you take the weapons then bt or True sons cant use them, and u can. if you destroyed them, nobody can. which is bad cause they already couldnt and u could.

it's not a huge plot point or very problematic for the lore it's just glaringly obvious that it threw a few people off the willing suspension of disbelief when playing, which is bad no matter the médium u watch/play

if it breaks on some moment that's a bad thing and make people go out of the story and just think "yeah it's dumb/unrealistic in this setting/why the fk they did that are they stupid/girl it's a zombie why u shoot the stomach-aaaand u dead"

its one of the worst crime as a writer and if it was for a bigger plot point people would be screaming how stupid it is everywhere on the discord, stupid people that make the plot go a specific direction cause writers cant think of a valid justification is the worst thing u can do

like the "oh yeah I didnt tell u I was bitten by a zombie just before cause who knows maybe I wont turn" became such a cliché that's how stupid it was that it's mocked in good films, that's how it feels with this weapon stuff

[glad spruce]

Fine. But I don't want to use Black Tusk weapons, okay?

[mortal flame]

but we need robo dogs don’t we? Our own personal 50 cals

[sick lantern]

it’s not like we don’t already use drones

[mortal flame]

oh…..

[ashen jungle]

Just say it's a personal opinion at the start next time. It'll be faster.

[glad spruce]

Very well.

[slate plank]

Who wanna bet next season’s climax mission takes place at the iron horse foundry given the entire season is gonna be mostly the true sons

[glad spruce]

It's a good bet, but it's too early.

I know some folks here thought this season's Climax Mission was gonna take place at Capitol Building.

[ashen jungle]

Capitol Building, but it's just the same mission, only with more radars at the end.

I know people give Zoo a lot of blame for being the worst stronghold, but Capitol does put its work in that regard.

[glad spruce]

We had Tidal Basin and Roosevelt Island as locations for Climax Missions, twice.

It'd be good to have Capitol Building as the location of a Climax Mission.

[ashen jungle]

You know, with the returned focus on Hyenas, there's never been a better time to re-use DUA.

[glad spruce]

Technically, the returned focus on Hyenas also happened back in Y6S2 during the Climax Mission, where they had an RPG archetyoe

[ashen jungle]

That was a while ago now though.

I would love if they used one of the "basically a stronghold" from Brooklyn, but I know that's not possible for multiple reasons.

[slate plank]

I doubt DUA will be used as part of a climax mission for a while cuz:

1. The hyenas don’t have that arena anymore (||confirmed with Mayhem’s invitation acceptance and conditions||)

2. Black tusk does, and I doubt they’ll be making huge moves for a bit ||after the summit disaster||

Though I do expect Zodiac and the other hyenas to try something at some point

[ashen jungle]

hyenas taking over Tidal would be pretty funny.
I can imagine how mad Nat would be.

[slate plank]

Outcasts had control of Tidal at some point so anything is possible

[stiff terrace]

Exactly save everything that remains in our path 😂

I'm more curious where black tusk is fully operated out of. They appear to be a american PMC so they have to have a central base of operation out of atleast one of the states.

[slate plank]

Where are they getting the resources to make weapons is my biggest question

[glad spruce]

They have factories in other regions of the US

[torn shoal]

i mean its the apocalypse, either u do or u die, u can have rules u wanna follow, that doesnt mean u gonna survive, sometimes u gotta do bad stuff to win vs worse stuff

but yeah as rivens says, personal opinions are completly fine, im glad u keep on prefering to do stuff in a certain way

wether we disagree or not is irrelevant, ur opinion still matter to me cause u are invested

[torn shoal]

the bigger question is why they wanna control the us tho, its one of the country in the worst state possible in the world according to coms

if thats power they want, europe would be a better call cause it has way more connections, people arent struggling as much as in the us, and overall europe has a better image than the us worldwide

if thats nukes they want, half the world have them already, and there is way easier places to attack to get them

[slate plank]

I guess they wanna take advantage of a weak country, but the division is in the way of doing so

[torn shoal]

nat is from russia to begin with that has a fkton of nukes and is way easier to take over

and even then, i still dont understand why she wants to get control of everything, there isnt much left anyway

[mortal flame]

Every country was decimated by the virus…..

[torn shoal]

not really, most developped countries have healthcare which mean they handled the outbreak way better than the us, its mentionned in the coms

[unique pulsar]

I mean--

-# the UK handled it horribly and we got free-health care

OH- wait what virus are we talkin about?

[torn shoal]

green poison, and the uk isnt really on par with the rest of europe tbh

but still miles ahead of the us

[unique pulsar]

AHH' gotcha, tbh I always wondered how the rest of the planet handled green poison; I'd assume since there's less fire-arms and weapons available over here in the UK it's less western shootout type deal;

[torn shoal]

there is descent coms that talk about it, but its mostly dismissed cause "its not the us i dont care"

[unique pulsar]

valid reason 💀

[stiff terrace]

Green poison gave mutineers the power imbalance they needed to grab power middle eastern powers fell and Russia nuked its self. Which I could see populous wise Russia’s a massive Petri dish for the virus

[torn shoal]

russia pop isnt particularly big

[unique pulsar]

that and i don't think the cold would have helped them out too much; ik it was tricky in div1 because of winter and people struggling from temps + virus combined,

[sick lantern]

Russia didn't nuke itself

[unique pulsar]

would be kinda silly :/ "Hey there's a big ol virus spreading- screw it lets wipe ourselves out before the virus can"

[torn shoal]

also yeah the entire message is flat out wrong

if any country launched any nuke every other country would send all they have without even blinking

[unique pulsar]

tbh that would be kinda funny like "THEY'RE LAUNCHING A NUKE- FIRE OURS!-.. why's it targeting themselves"

[torn shoal]

doesnt matter, nuclear winter doesnt know border, and life cant exist with it

[stiff terrace]

From what I heard/ remember from the division ngn recap it was a attempted mutiny that’s why

[torn shoal]

yeah u heard or remember wrong

[stiff terrace]

It’s spread out but it’s population centers are dense

[torn shoal]

not particularly either

[sick lantern]

It's the ninth most populous country in the world

[torn shoal]

i mean china and india just put any of thoses stats to shame, russia is not that big

[slate plank]

Given the number of division agents putting down factions, I’d say that number is decreasing by a lot

[sick lantern]

have you not been following the conversation or are you saying there are Division agents in Russia

[slate plank]

I thought we were talking about USA

[cold bramble]

Why am I now finding out that the green poison didn’t just affect America? How could I have possibly missed that 😂

[mortal flame]

Oh no what have I done insert Anakin meme

[cold bramble]

Is there a lore tab I can look at for It?

[torn shoal]

this is the lore channel, if u have question u can ask here, if u want a recap, ngn does lot of lore videos with long recaps for all the seasons, everything else is in the wiki

[cold bramble]

I’ll have a look on ngn channel

Man even if low amounts of the green poison reached Europe it’d have taken a heavy toll on countries I’d imagine?

[glad spruce]

Yeah, there's like a collection of comms called Langley Reports where a CIA Analyst reports on the state of countries outside the U.S and how they're holding up with the Green Poison outbreak.

[zenith spruce]

how did they do?

[glad spruce]

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Comms/Langley_Reports

See for yourself

[torn shoal]

any amount would be the same result since it was engeneered to spread as much as possible before being visibly sick

nobody would be quarantined if outbreak isnt officially started and at that point people were already across the world for the holidays

that's not even counting most quarantines failed or that green poison could bypass the ones not strict enough

[surreal hearth]

Well guys we did it. It’s finally over.

Mayhem is dead, Emelie shaws second commander dead, unfortunately Anderson and sokolova have escaped but not without their alliances completely disbanded and dismantled.

[slate plank]

Who to blame for all of this, idk. We do know no faction are gonna be working with each other anymore

[glad spruce]

They can only blame themselves.

Cuz if they just surrendered, the Division's job would become 100 times easier.

[surreal hearth]

They’re still gonna fight the divisions. The only bright side is they’re not gonna do it together. They’re gonna be doing against each other. That means they’re gonna be killing each other.

[slate plank]

Every faction has their own reasons to hate the division, but in the new season some true sons members are gonna be questioning whether they are doing the right thing at this point

Outcasts and hyenas doesn’t look like they’ll be working with the division, black tusk are still division haters

[surreal hearth]

Actually, at the end of the season, there was a cutscene that the true sons could be facing a mutiny because Anderson may not fit as their leader

[frosty bluff]

I think him moving their BoO to Iron Horse might also play a role

With the BoO being quite a bit of distance from the DC area, they're probably seeing it as an opportunity to assume influence over it.

[mortal flame]

Why don’t we all just relocate to Africa… they’re fine lol

[glad spruce]

Cuz the whole premise of this franchise is focused on america?

[cold bramble]

So have they gone back to fighting each other in free roam now too?

Anything changed in the world development side of things?

[glad spruce]

Yes

[torn shoal]

they're not "fine" also its not the right thing to do, you dont just relocate to some place and bring all your problems to people who asked nothing

[glad spruce]

Yeah, just because some places fared off better with the outbreak, doesn't mean we gotta move there

[ashen jungle]

Okay so I'm curious now, are White Tusk a) canon, and b) canonically LMB?

[thick knoll]

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Tusk#White_Tusk

it's a fan wiki so take it with a grain of salt lol

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/White_Tusk

[torn shoal]

they are def lmb remnants, but not sure about them being canon at all

[ashen jungle]

Unless it's canon, then they aren't defintiely anything.

[thick knoll]

when the game comes back up i'm gonna poke through my collectibles and see if there's any mention of it in comms or something

[ashen jungle]

Them sharing a similar-ish colour scheme is not really enough.

[torn shoal]

i think there is some text ingame saying they are former lmb, and the manning zoo have the same shield boss as legendary div 1 lmb

[ashen jungle]

okay i need to go do irl stuff now, y'all have fun.

[torn shoal]

fun ? in this economy ?

[thick knoll]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/ffx40x/the_story_of_the_last_man_battalion_from_division/

Final line here, since this person seems to have compiled everything from comms/lore: "It is assumed at this point that the LMB is defunct and has been integrated into the Black Tusk, ending its 5-year story in The Division franchise. "

emphasis mine

[glad spruce]

White Tusk appear in the novel Hunted, so they're canon

[torn shoal]

tbh it make sense, its a pmc, soldiers dont know anything else, so another pmc taking them in is def logical

[thick knoll]

Can't post pictures here but it's listed on an Arcana Snitch card (Justice) that is a Black Tusk named enemy which was former LMB. The LMB comms memo doesn't mention them joining BT. New York comms Update: LMB Benitez just mentions that LMB is just "trying to survive"

[proud flax]

They even mentioned in one of the old comms that the lmb will go into the next pmc for a hot meal

[sick lantern]

yes to both
a White Tusk soldier, explicitly said to be wearing BT armour but coloured white, and to be ex-LMB, appears in Hunted pages 302-304

[surreal hearth]

Here’s a crazy part after we put down two key leadership between hyenas and outcast

The three main factions of DC along with New York are increasingly agitated like we can put down 5 to 10 Leaders in one go it’s almost like they’re throwing themselves into the fire against overpowered gear divisions such as us

Which means every time we genocide or kill as many of the enemies action as possible the agitation meter increases, and they’ll retaliate with extreme prejudice. The crazy part is they’ll hire a kill squad to kill us as well. Those chanibals for example which they don’t usually craw out of their holes

[torn shoal]

retal are not canon

[glad spruce]

For the last time, Cleaners/Rikers presence in Retal is only for gameplay.

There hasn't been any mention nor any dialogue MENTIONING THEM BEING INVOLVED IN THE PACT.!

[mortal flame]

I read it is just LMB that integrated into Black Tusk. I mean, they’re both PMCs, LMB’s command structure is gone, so why not bring more expertise into a better PMC lol

[signal oar]

Probably that’s why they are not showing in retal in DC anymore, but in NY and Brooklyn

[mortal flame]

I mean, that’s why the shotgunners are so deadly lol

What’s retal?

[signal oar]

Retaliation

[mortal flame]

oh

[compact hamlet]

I don't remember where I read it but I remember that White Tusk was a special unit of Black Tusk comprised of both BT and former LMB.

[glad spruce]

That's already a known fact

[ashen jungle]

There is no way I'd have read that myself, so I'm glad someone did.

[glad spruce]

Not fond of reading novels?

[mortal flame]

may I recommend NGN lore videos then lol

[glad spruce]

Rivens is already way ahead of you on that

You're mad.

[mortal flame]

It’s not like I reread the Crossroads trilogy like a million times to look for the tiniest scrap of lore

[ashen jungle]

Licenced adaptation novels and I don't agree with each other.

[mortal flame]

like || the backstory on those two agents that the hunter automatically kills when she crawls out of the crashed plane || rip those two, they were just doing their Good Samaritan work lol

[mortal flame]

You ever heard of the Eragon novels? Thick 5 inch books?

[ashen jungle]

I read them when they first came out, buying each one on launch day.
So....yes.

[mortal flame]

That was my daily reading back in the day

[ashen jungle]

I own all of them in hardcover actually.

[mortal flame]

same…

[glad spruce]

I own them paperbook and digital

[ashen jungle]

$50 aud each back in the day.
I murdered so many trees.

[mortal flame]

too bad they never made it into an actually/ better streaming series….

[ashen jungle]

A new one is coming/came out, and there is talk of an animated series a while back.

Paolini did an AMA, lot of stuff to pour over in there.

[mortal flame]

the streaming gods keep this lore heavy things from us… even the Division movie we were supposed to get a while back why? it’s torture

[ashen jungle]

buuuuuut back to the div talk, otherwise I'm just going to start talking in Inheritence quotes.

[mortal flame]

it’s not like they’ve done official short films for two squads on agents one for Div 1 and one for the French trailer of Div 2 already….

[glad spruce]

Since we only got like 2 weeks left with this season, so December 2nd should be where Mutiny releases.

Unless, of course, the devs change their minds and delay the release.

[mortal flame]

Mutiny is the next season/more story/lore?… how time flys

[glad spruce]

Yes. Y7S3

[ashen jungle]

Mutiny is the companions one, basically.

it's come up annoyingly fast.

[glad spruce]

Time goes fast when you get older 😛

[mortal flame]

Hawkster, is there anything lore left in that simulation mode? Or is that done?… the green thing… procedurally generated enemies and such forgot what’s it called

[glad spruce]

You mean Descent?

This season was catch-up, so players who missed out on comms can get them weekly.

I've got no frickin' idea if there's gonna be more comms about it, next season.

[mortal flame]

alright lol

[glad spruce]

Can you stop using that emoji?

[mortal flame]

…

does it notify you every time I post an emoji on anyone’s text?

[ashen jungle]

nah it just looks messy.
I assume that's the reason they dislike it.

[mortal flame]

the more I know… ok

[mortal flame]

The fact that President Ellis says the opening dialogue in the intro cutscene about the “light going out, who can save us then?” Is just sad…. || he literally was complicit of allowing the President and Vice President to be assassinated by BT and was already BT aligned even before the Virus… makes it worse when who knows who else in the remaining government was BT aligned pre virus and if the next President will even be from our government or from the people ie Manny lol||

[glad spruce]

That's the thing about villains. They believe they're the heroes of their own story

[slate plank]

The hyenas just want chaos don’t they?

[ashen jungle]

Well, drugs.

and possibly copies of Dune, we have no way of knowing.

[glad spruce]

Yeah, since they wanna engage in partying, raiding, debauchery, and so on.

[cold bramble]

Were this weeks comms posted yet?

[jagged crater]

What ever happened to The Division tv show/movie that they announced long time ago?

[tepid ibex]

it'll happen someday

[ember temple]

Lmaoo thought I was the only one made that connection

[mortal flame]

Dune mentioned…. may your blade chip and shatter

[slate plank]

when i get a true sons companion, imma make him turn against his own people.

oh wait...

[ashen jungle]

So you'd say that it's a ....mutiny?

[surreal hearth]

What’s gonna happen now that all three factions are in complete disarray and the alliance in shambles?

[ashen jungle]

Probably that.

[surreal hearth]

Nat gonna go back to her precious little vault.

[glad spruce]

I don't think he'll have a problem with that

[glad spruce]

Wish they add story teases for the final weeks of the season. It'd be nice to get an idea or two of what's currently going on and what new threat are we dealing with, next.

[mortal flame]

Or one of those dramatic “last season, this season” anime recaps lol

[slate plank]

Somehow they’re gonna find a way to rise back up without black tusk. Hyenas still got Zodiac, Outcasts might come up with something. True Sons is still powerful but leadership is so bad atm. Cleaners and Rikers, idk how they come back but I’m pretty sure they will

[surreal hearth]

That would mean the outcast are dead last in the dust

The cleaners have several connections mostly sanitary groups while the rikers can still find more stable prisoner leaderships.

As a bonus not only that the true sons are exposed for stealing sokolov concern tech from black tusk but we crippled their proxies meaning that no other faction will ever trust black tusk again.

[glad spruce]

I think we're getting way ahead of ourselves of Black Tusk being completely over

[surreal hearth]

We’re not done with the black tusk completely we still need to capture nat now that ISAC confirmed that she’s at large and high priority

As for the true sons, they’re most likely gonna be facing infighting with each other now that Anderson became an embarrassment. Chances are that they might join up with Wally and her true sons defectors

[cold bramble]

They’ll definitely find a last ditch effort to pull something off

[cold bramble]

Reckon some could join us?

[surreal hearth]

Not all of them, but some of them are willing to defect just because they don’t wanna get annihilated by ridiculous, overpowered heavily armed division agents

[slate plank]

if i was a true sons and i see my homies getting destroyed by division agents, i would join SHD and hope true sons dont hunt me down

[torn shoal]

u cant really join shd unless an agent décidé to recruit u specifically iirc

[tepid ibex]

never really considered they recruit ppl to the SHD. Just figured we have always been relying on the second wave

[slate plank]

Wanna join shd, just buy division 2 and create a character ezpz

[sick lantern]

We know of one whole person who was recruited to the SHD post-outbreak
(hint: it’s the protagonist of a book called “Recruited”)
other than that, not known to happen

[mortal flame]

Remember the agent in the book trilogy was a recruiter for many of the agents around in DC/NY….. was pretty cool to see a character show up and be like “ oh hey what’s been happening boss” lol

Technically, according to how the book goes, || an agent can be be trained in the wild and if an agent goes down and that agent was a recruiter, one could transfer access to an available watch/contact lense set, and there, official agent || kind of like how after Order 66, regularly trained Jedi were not really an option anymore at the Jedi Temple….

[sinful mauve]

Joining SHD if that happens real life, you got to at least fearless, never complain, help people, carry 200 pounds of gears, etc etc.

[mortal flame]

Helping people is easy…. Carrying 3K guns, armor, clothes, food, and your favorite green cocktail that will cause bad hangover is the hard part lol

[sinful mauve]

and lets not forget, you cant have a criminal record, or mental checkup

[ashen jungle]

The actual vetting process wasn't quite as strict as that, there's examples of wealthy people getting their kids in as a sort of "free ride", because no one actually expected Directive 51 to be activated.
Which explains all the dead agents in the DZ.

[mortal flame]

That’s kind of….. morbid “hey Mom, my watch is glowing….” 3 weeks later…..

didn’t their recruiting process go along the lines of actual military recruitment?

[sudden mortar]

I thought it was only: basic tactical training to learn the basics of using gear, weapons, taking cover...

[glad spruce]

No wonder Claire made that simulation program.

[mortal flame]

oh…. That is true huh…

[mortal flame]

Taking cover

[torn shoal]

this is kinda weird tho, in military thoses kids get the easy job with no risk usually, its super rare they are in any casualty

[glad spruce]

ALEXANDER ORTIZ: What kind of simulation?

CLAIRE ORTIZ: One that is as realistic as possible for our operators.

ALEXANDER ORTIZ: You mean like a VR simulation?

CLAIRE ORTIZ: No. Augmented reality. But more realistic.

ALEXANDER ORTIZ: That should be easy enough with the contact lens.

CLAIRE ORTIZ: Yes. But, I want them to feel the hits. If it's just the visual, we won't be able to asses the real stress and pressure on the body. They are talking about giving ISAC to gym teachers in Missoula. I want to know how they would react in a real combat situation.

ALEXANDER ORTIZ: You want them to feel pain?

CLAIRE ORTIZ: Yes. People in pain will react in unpredictable and dangerous ways. I want to know what these ops will do when they are really in pain and afraid, before I give them live rounds. ```

- Descent, Comm#17, Pitch

[sick lantern]

#fanart-and-photomode message

[mortal flame]

Thanks Hawks… clarifies things. More

[glad spruce]

Always my pleasure

[sinful mauve]

Something like that but only to be choose based on your community services even those who served in military. They willing to pick to those served from any army branches but JTF needed a lot from the army

[slate plank]

Sometimes I wonder if members of each faction deeply regret joining their respective faction cuz they know at some point the division is gonna show up outta nowhere and put you down even though you’re minding your own business

Just smoking cigarettes as a Riker? Boom, you get hit with a striker drone

[mortal flame]

I hope we get to meet the Roamers lol…. Turn into 18 wheeler simulator but with mounted Mgs and artillery pieces on our trailers lol

[sleek plover]

We gotta supermarioedque platform jump our way throughout the mad max convoy

[sleek plover]

There are reasons for all that redeemed apparel

[mortal flame]

it’s like in fallout when they put people’s clothes in the lunchboxes to sell as loot boxes to its vault dwellers…..

[mortal flame]

this would be a short film I’d watch…. Maybe they don’t need a full theatrical release… just a short film with some well known actors….. then put a reference to them in the game for posterity

[ashen jungle]

I'll say it again for posterity: mini-series.

british style, 3 episode arc, tell a total story, leave a cliff-hanger.

[mortal flame]

You put it in better words than me…. British style???

[ashen jungle]

british tv series are basically what would happen if you took an american show with way too many episodes in a season, and condensed it all down into like 3-10 at most.

basically just removing all the wasted time.

[mortal flame]

Was recently watching Blue Lights…. funny seeing Dedra from Andor as a love interest/animal handler lol, and pretty awesome police drama….

[ashen jungle]

To keep it div related: it is still kinda funny seeing the VA's in other media, I'll never quite get over Lau's VA being Lucy from the Rookie.
and a singer.

[mortal flame]

Exactly… one day I’ll meet her and tell her how she needs to bring Lau back from the dead and give her a true story arc ending lol

[slate plank]

Wait a second, that just blew my mind. I just looked it up and I was surprised I didn’t know about that

[ashen jungle]

Yeah was weird when I found out too, Lau's both an actor and Canadian Idol winner.
(also, Keener is british)

[mortal flame]

Wait till we find out some VA is Scottish…..

[frosty spoke]

||So, is rogue encounter in climax mission's master difficulty canon or just a filler?||

[glad spruce]

||filler||

[surreal hearth]

McManus and nat on separate comms have been mentioning about the warhounds walking on two legs instead of four and weirdly accessing computers

[glad spruce]

Yeah, there was a batch of comms from Descent where it goes over Ortiz Robotics doing bipedal movement experiments for the Warhounds.

Which turned into a clustereff, forcing Sokolova to invest more money to have her bots redesigned.

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Walking

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Running

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Stairs

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Evolution

I could post the transcripts, but I worry I'll get flagged for spam.

[surreal hearth]

The hilarious part that this was a reference to previous missions along with Conley island random black tusk RNG witness a warhound doing the two leg thing

Also, the new manhunt added a new reference to the “they got Alex” in the final part of the manhunt

If you go to the black tusk giant portable toilets one of the soldiers got stuck and was mentioned that Alex pranked her

[sinful mauve]

Yeah i've showned it before lol

[mortal flame]

“Sir, the 50 Cal is walking toward us”
“What’s the problem with that?”
“Sir, it’s walking on two legs toward us sir”
“Oh”

[proud flax]

And you can shoot at them and they will be 💀

[proud flax]

Filler

Also I thought the companion will be a warhound since it was technically teased in the descent comms pretty saying anyone with access can use the warhound

[mortal flame]

yay our private doggo

[torn shoal]

would be funny if the rogue encounter in climax was actually cause nat managed to recruit some rogues on her side

[mortal flame]

Gold and his squad from the books…. div2salute:

[sick lantern]

that’s literally the opposite

[mortal flame]

they’re still rogues

[proud flax]

Missed opportunity there

But I'm surprised cal was not there wonder what's he is doing

[torn shoal]

he def isnt a man of the field, look more like the usual behind the desk guy that send anyone else doing his work, even if its just dusting the floor of his kitchen

[sick lantern]

rogues working against Natalya...

[mortal flame]

rogues killing us normal Division agents upholding original mission…. though I understand lol

at this point, we all are just vigilantes rogue or not. Most of the regular American population knows we killed the prez… lol… they just see us as another faction or… like the Mandalorian, swoop in, complete objective, leave the citizens to take care of themselves

[sick lantern]

what are you talking about? what does that have to do with Natalya?

[mortal flame]

absolutely nothing… I was just going on about Gold’s rogue squad as a off topic suggestion….. it’s a tangent my dudes

[sick lantern]

"Most of the regular American population knows we killed the prez"
when infrastructure collapses- internet, motor vehicles, trains, almost all resources and reason to travel across the country- the spread of information goes back a few hundred years. there's nothing in the canon that states this afaik, and it's not a logical conclusion

it'd be impressive if many people knew Ellis was ever even the president to begin with

[torn shoal]

webkinz still doesnt get that there are rogues working with keener and other rogues that are just alone doing their stuff on their own

its litterally why keener had to recruit some of them in wony to work for him, otherwise they'd still be on their own

[sick lantern]

1. how is that relevant
2. when tf have i ever implied that all rogues work with keener

[torn shoal]

its relevant cause nat can recruit them if she offer them what they might want

everybody has a price

[mortal flame]

Oh no no no… stop getting mad at each other… it was a tangent guys… stop gaslighting each other lol

[torn shoal]

she could even recruit people working for keener to udnermine him

[sick lantern]

what tf are you talking about?? when did i say otherwise

[true fox]

Does anyone already have the information on the death screen against Harlan Floyd and the other woman from the final mission (The Pact)?

[glad spruce]

You mean the Death Card quote? I'll look into it later

[proud flax]

Unfortunately nada same description as the regular enemies same with Colonel tom

[proud flax]

I posted a reply to you

[true fox]

Thanks

[true fox]

I understand...

[proud flax]

Sorry to bother you but yeah I wanted some type of unique description with them but no

[ashen jungle]

In case anyone wanted to catch up on the global stuff: https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Comms/Langley_Reports

[glad spruce]

Would be nice to pin it, but this is a nice collection of comms for anyone interested to know how the rest of the world held up against the outbreak.

[ashen jungle]

If you were to write up a "the story so far" (shameless supernatural reference), I'll see about having it pinned.

Wiki links are fine, just make sure the info uses them to enhance what's written, rather than replace it.

[glad spruce]

In that case, I'd better make it look good with presentation and images.

[torn shoal]

u make everything look good

[ashen jungle]

Get a room you two.

[frosty bluff]

🤨

[ashen jungle]

No judgement from me. I knew those arguments were all a cover.

[gloomy bramble]

Random Thought

Bringing Mayhem back around after 7 years just so we could off her as a sub-boss is criminal.

[late void]

Yeah I found that a bit disappointing.
Like they didn't really have any plans for her and just decided to tie up some loose ends.

[torn shoal]

i mean, they surely had other plans in mind, but game didnt blow up as planned by execs so ambitions and budget clearly went down a notch, u can see a lot of stuff that is supposed to lead to some big missions/events, and we just ended with poochie going back to his home planet instead

dc 62 is the perfect example, chimical weapon, created a new dz, used by true sons, wiped out castle settlement, and its just never brought up again once we destroyed the one stockpile not even heavily fortified like capitol was

mayhem was for sure supposed to be another stronghold like emeline from the outcasts

but yeah, game coming out too early to please shareholders making the whole thing unplayable and unenjoyable, lacking content at launch on top of that, there was no way it ended in the place they wanted it to be

game is still alive, and player numbers are good now, but its years too late, execs want the new hot stuff, last time it was nft bullshit, now its ai, next time idk maybe it will be tarot cards

so yeah, previous storylines def are a problem to fix quickly to get actually new stuff that they can manage under this new environment

i mean, thats still way better than mosts games that end up in this situation, coming back from the dead and actually still kicking 7 years later is not a performance u should be shy about

they really turned this ship around and im enjoying that

[ember temple]

Facts

[proud flax]

yeah same with the strategist but we still have Zodiac alive so who knows

[glad spruce]

IIRC, Yannick emphasized that Year 7's story is gonna focus on tying up loose ends.

The Strategist and Mayhem were loose ends. And frankly, they would've preferred death than ever working with the Division.

No amount of storytelling was gonna fix it.

[proud flax]

Definitely they even tried to go against us the one who took down their entire leadership well almost the hyenas still have one leader

[torn shoal]

yeah but it shows cleearly this is rushed, we could have a real ending to mayhem and strategist, not just "hey nat is allying with them, go kill that bunch"

we could have instead something like turning their allies on them so that they end up alone when we fight them, not just "big bad group go kill"

[ashen jungle]

This channel's purpose is to discuss the lore of the game, not to focus on nitpicking your personal opinion about the quality of the story.
By all means, discuss, but you're getting more towards the "no one wants to reply" due to a constant negative attitude.

Just for a change of pace, try talking about the story as a story, not as a choice by a game dev.

[torn shoal]

im not trying to be negative, i really appreciate the game it came a long way from what we had, but yeah, focus more on story itself from now on

[mortal flame]

[slate plank]

fun fact: when replaying the hornet climax mission in tidal basin, youd notice his watch is not glowing red

[torn shoal]

thats prob just an oversight

i think his watch was red the first time we killed him

and watches dont go from red to normal in lore, only in dz

[sinful mauve]

its a texture thing. the guys prob forgot to switch his red watch texture

[torn shoal]

also we arent allowed to kill non rogue agents, so that would have made us rogue if he wasnt

[sick verge]

Actually all rogue agents npcs in the division one had orange watches. The red thing was purely a player thing in the darkzone

[sick verge]

And also since survival is cannon and had pvpve you could kill other agents without getting flagged rogue

And then you got Jack Bonney who was granted agent status and wasn't rogue. Just another case of killing a "not rogue agent" that didn't end up flagging us as rogue

[torn shoal]

it was mostly a watch malfunction iirc in survival, and if survival is canon, im not sure killing non rogue was canon

jack bonney was a hunters, all hunters are not marked rogue but still considered kill on sight

same way we are not marked rogue but to them we all are rogue

[sick verge]

A was a recruit. Not a hunter yet

[torn shoal]

doesnt really matter, isac doesnt wait until you graduate "bad guy school" to allow targeting, otherwise they would just say "nah we arent hunter we only have hunter gear, skills, weapon, and support, but no officially hunters dont worry"

same way u can kill on sight looters before they do anything

[sick verge]

But he had agent status. By ISAC's own definition Bonney should have been classified as a division agent

doesn't matter he was black tusk or a hunter recruit

[torn shoal]

it does, lot of hunters are actually also agents, but being a hunter override everything else

[sick verge]

Okay 1 more time. Jack Bonney did not have HUNTER status yet. Only agent status

[torn shoal]

okey, one more time : isac doesnt wait until you graduate "bad guy school" to allow targeting

working with bt is enough

[mortal flame]

ISAC is a weird one lol

[ashen jungle]

ISAC isn't an AI, they don't decide anything.
They work off what they're built to do.

[sick verge]

if that's the case then Lau shouldn't have gotten her agent status back even if undercover

[torn shoal]

anna is clearly superior for that

[mortal flame]

Ohh boy

[torn shoal]

she didnt got agent status back ?

she was rogue and died rogue, while trying to save everyone

[sick verge]

.......they literally even made a joke about it in the cutscene with kelso commenting on Lau still being called an agent

[torn shoal]

being called an agent having the status isnt the same

[sick verge]

well wasn't as much a joke as just a statement

[torn shoal]

isac doesnt care what people think about lau, it followed programming

she went rogue, and died rogue, nothing changed for her despite what people say

[sick verge]

............you're joking right. this is some sort of gaslighting prank right?

[mortal flame]

read the book trilogy….

[torn shoal]

kelso isnt in charge of isac, she cant decide who's rogue or not

also kelso is rogue too now, so if she could decide who's rogue or not, she wouldnt be rogue

[sick verge]

Isac is the one that called Lau an agent, not a rogue agent

[torn shoal]

what did isac say exactly

cause isac doesnt talk about dead people randomly

[ashen jungle]

It's been a while since we've had a new ISAC line.

[torn shoal]

yeah i think anna is gonna replace isac someday

[mortal flame]

All this was set up way before the virus spread. ISAC has set parameters to designate rogue or not rogue…… with Hunters, all of them are good standing agents…. Just when Cal or BT comes calling, they have to put on the mask and become a Hunter… basically another persona…. So agent side of them is not rogue….. A Hunter was never designated rogue, just a third party that we needed to kill

[ashen jungle]

ANNA's va has other roles in div2, so it wouldn't shock me if they take over more duties.

[torn shoal]

i wouldnt mind anna completely overtaking isac, she is way more sassy and i love it

[sick verge]

I'll post a link to video go to time stamp 1:50. lmk when you seen it so I can delete the link

[ashen jungle]

ISAC's va can be plenty sassy, it's all about what they're allowed to do with the character they have.
e.g. ISAC is a GPS with a voice function, ANNA is Skynet.

[mortal flame]

That’s a perfect distinction lol

[torn shoal]

yeah obv i just mean isac isnt allowed to as sassy as anna

anna has a personnality

[ashen jungle]

We can't have ISAC leave without asking if it can wait for a bit, they're in the middle of some calibrations.

[mortal flame]

Anna will lol

[torn shoal]

isac talk about lau when she was not rogue, so still an agent

[mortal flame]

Y’all trying to gaslight each other lol

[sick verge]

.......This is the cutscene that played after she died

She was already rogue by then!

[torn shoal]

yes i know, its talking about the time the documents were modified, she was not rogue

[sick verge]

........I'm being gaslit here

no way you are not screwing with me

[torn shoal]

i mean u can just disagree with me, thats not a big deal

[ashen jungle]

I always forget that Roy has a constant access to mashed potatoes.

[mortal flame]

Agree to Disagree

[mortal flame]

What in the world? Hahahaha

[torn shoal]

but if lau did something while not rogue, i wouldnt talk about it like "yeah that rogue did this", i'd just say "that agent did this before they went rogue"

[ashen jungle]

Benitez in the middle of a dramatic scene, eating his mashed potatoes: "she was a hero".

[torn shoal]

tbh mashed potatoes are a banger food

[ashen jungle]

No shade, the carbs are rough, but they are great.

but theres a time and a place, Roy.

[mortal flame]

We eat this mashed potatoes in honor of her lol…. While also drinking that Coffee from the coffee shop that still exists lol

[torn shoal]

i mean, its the apocalypse, if not now then when

a man gotta eat

(i might be obsessed with potatoes as a whole)

[mortal flame]

Are you Irish? lol

[torn shoal]

i wish

[ashen jungle]

fun fact: I started this mashed poatotes joke originally because I didn't think enough people would get the "marlon brando filming godfather" instead.

[mortal flame]

oh

[torn shoal]

well, most players are not dinosaurs like us

i also fell asleep during godfather cause it was so painfully slow

[mortal flame]

Oi… who you calling dinosaurs….. I don’t want to be a Dino… unless it’s a velociraptor…..

[ashen jungle]

4ft tall and feathered.
hey whatever floats your boat

[sick verge]

it's not about that. we are talking about when a person with agent status can kill another person with agent status without getting flagged rogue

And also no ISAC wasn't talking about when she wasn't rogue. Kelso literally says "ISAC thinks you died a hero". Or are you gonna tell me Kelso misinterpreted ISAC now

[mortal flame]

Hey I’d like to dream it’s the bioengineered version with Chris Pratt as a friend lol

[torn shoal]

doesnt matter what kelso says, she died rogue, isac talk about lau when she wasnt rogue, kelso made a joke, i dont see whats wrong with that

lau died with rogue status, we even get the rogue neutralised cue

[ashen jungle]

I might be forgetting something, but was Kelso aware of Lau secretly being good in the later manhunt, or was it a surprise for her too?

[sick verge]

......first and best chance I get I'm joining the hunters and I'm coming for you

(story of a lifetime, gaslit into becoming a hunter)

[mortal flame]

Bro… on surface level, you are right, ISAC designates rogue like that yes…. But Lau’s status probably was changed while she was with Keener and that other techy guy… probably helped “restore” her status after she died lol

[torn shoal]

iirc she discovered it when keener told her, but im not sure

[mortal flame]

It was a surprise I believe, I mean she wanted to leave her for the crows so….

[torn shoal]

good luck, have fun, dont die

[mortal flame]

Tell Cal I said hi

[ashen jungle]

I'm just curious when it was she found out.
and if it was before: was that part of her cover.
and am i reading too much into this: yes.

[sick verge]

knowing hunter fates, I probably will

[torn shoal]

most hunters are still doing fine, i think agents numbers dwindled way more than hunters

there is no actual data for that tho

but we know lot of people dont even trust agents now cause so many went rogue

[mortal flame]

You would think people when an agent dies or they see a dead agent, they’d take all their gear… I mean it’s high quality off the books black budget tech…. It’s not like we going to need all those exotic and legendary body armor and mountains of guns in our tiny backpack lol

[torn shoal]

thats what we do in dz

open worlds hunters arent canon, i think there are 3 or 4 canon hunters ingame

[sick verge]

I will try but I will probably never get a face to face

I'm def going with the wright build. Just gotta make sure their are no fire suppression systems nearby.....or water guns

[torn shoal]

or just get his armor and a gun not a useless hammer

also dont fight near water

[sick verge]

Nah I wanna swing at people with a burning axe. Seems like fun

oh that sounds bad

[sick lantern]

you know there's more than three?

[sick lantern]

if only we'd seen multiple instances of that happening...

[mortal flame]

They ever say how agents are getting dry eye with all the high tech contact lenses usage… lol. They probably fall asleep with those on lol..

[ashen jungle]

Constantly getting mild electric shocks through them to your eyeballs would help keep any complaints about dry-eyes to a minimum.

[proud flax]

I'm surprised after all the status effects we got during the campaign it has not affected us yet

[mortal flame]

It’s the green goo keeping us going lol

[torn shoal]

as someone that has very much dry left eye, i can tell u that no amount of electric shock would make me shut up about it lol (also did got shocked as a kid cause u know, kids stuff, and the dry eye take the cake)

[ornate gull]

I been curious. Gameplay show that when enemy is fighting in one area, the other area seem don't bothering or even care nor increase their alert b4 agent arrive to their area

[torn shoal]

yeah its done on purpose to give you the chance to ambush them everytime

[glad spruce]

Wrong channel, dude

[primal fog]

what is the correct channel?

[ashen jungle]

@primal fog Resurgence has its own discord, so probably there.

[primal fog]

ah the plot thickens. I did not know it had it's own. So thank you

[robust portal]

Could BT people make robotic limbs if they wanted to ?

[ashen jungle]

Well modern people could, so as long as they have people who know what they're doing, I don't see why not.

[stiff terrace]

That be a really cool boss idea actually \

Week spots on the bionic limbs

[robust portal]

The joints

With Anderson on the verge of being BOOOO'd out of existence and truebuns falling apart i think it's time to think about the next next season
As in can we finish nat yet ?

[stiff terrace]

End of the boss fight he's looking like that one Baki meme with the dude with no arms or legs lol

[ashen jungle]

Do you not know how to spell True Sons, or is that meant to be a joke? I keep seeing it spelt weirdly.

This is Arialdi all over again.

[stiff terrace]

id say its a joke from the fact he called them truebuns

[ashen jungle]

I've seen dumber things written on here, so I assume nothing.

[robust portal]

Yeah it's a joke

[stiff terrace]

I just realized somethign since the true sons were the primary holders of gear and resources for military resources in washing when they went rogue. Would then reverting back to our side bulster our faction recruits?

[robust portal]

Cuz they're buns
Killing people on outcast island

[ashen jungle]

They're rolls?

[stiff terrace]

Buns = booty cheeks = bad

[ashen jungle]

Yeah we don't need more slang for that.

especially one so tortured.

[robust portal]

I'm kinda confused what happened after div1 that makes the old BOO just isn't there anymore and we need to cling onto Rhodes and haven for help

[ashen jungle]

It's explained in WONY.

tl;dr stuff went real bad.

It's also the alleged reason why Lau went "bad", her sister was killed.

incredibly short tl;dr JTF "lowered patrols" in Manhattan, allowing the Rikers to attack, Heather died.

[slate cloak]

HELLO Y'ALL
I'm gonna get back into Division Resurgence
any major lore stuffs I need to know after playing Division 2 & WONY?

cuz rn all I know is a lot of stuff happened during the seasonal content
and I lost interest in Divsion 2 tbh but I'm now interested and Resurgence and it's lore

since I think Resurgence is supposed to take place after most of the Division 2 story?

[ashen jungle]

The Division Resurgence takes players back to the streets of Manhattan, set several months after the conclusion of the Division 1. With a familiar map updated to reflect the passage of time, the Division Resurgence will bridge the narrative gap between the Division 1 and 2, adding to the existing lore with additional story beats over time.

[slate cloak]

Ahhh
so it's a
Midquel

[ashen jungle]

There will also be some scenes set during the initial outbreak, before div1.

[slate cloak]

oh okay
weird how Resurgence is an apparent midquel between div1 and div2
but makes sense considering this game is supposed to tell what happened between the 2 games

after playing div2 I'm defo checking this out

[ashen jungle]

You should know, there is way more story for div2 since WONY, since there's a whole other DLC, and a pretty extensive story going on within the Seasons.

[robust portal]

They should add the part where they let the agent we playing speak too

[ashen jungle]

That's just a single passage of text from the article about it.

here, the whole thing might have it: https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/game/the-division/the-division-2/news-updates/enWR3N37m6wAbtZbV4nuA/the-division-2-survivors-and-the-division-resurgence

[sinful mauve]

No wonder they wear two strap backpacks.... thats sucks. The day the agents becoming a bit more professional operators

[glad spruce]

We're literally a federal agency, bruh.

[ashen jungle]

I'm curious on the context.
It felt like it was shouted at from nowhere.

[glad spruce]

No idea, either.

I feel like the notion of us Division agents being a Federal Agency Operatives were already known

[sleek plover]

true sons deserve torture

damn I hate LMB

[tepid ibex]

how i missed you, dearly. Thanks for arriving on thanksgiving

-# lmb ftw btw

[woven tundra]

10 years ago today (November 27) in Div lore, the virus was released at the Abel’s Department Store on W 34th Street and Broadway.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/AhN2rK91cqhwkjuA6?g_st=ipc

[mortal flame]

insert Mr. Krabs meme here

get ready for Black Friday people… is Division on Sale btw? Div 1 and 2?

[ashen jungle]

Not the place to ask, but yeah it has been for a bit now.

[stiff terrace]

Wait is this Planned release?

I was kind of hoping we’d move forwards instead of back especially with the growing lore and world so far

[woven tundra]

The Division 3 will likely be covering that
Resurgence isn’t really a full, mainline title

It’s a FTP mobile game

[stiff terrace]

What’s the mobile Game like?

[woven tundra]

I haven’t played it myself, but I’ve heard Resurgence is pretty solid

[stiff terrace]

I’ve looked for it but I’ve never found anything

[woven tundra]

https://www.ubisoft.com/en-us/game/the-division/resurgence

[stiff terrace]

Nvm it’s a basic mobile game I’ve already lost interest. I wouldn’t imagine it play well on mobile.

[woven tundra]

Yeah, it’s not intended to be a full, mainline sequel
Just a more accessible version of Division

[torn shoal]

known to the players or to the civilians in lore ?

[glad spruce]

Both

Since the civvies and enemy factions know who we are by the time of Division 2's base story, which started in June in-universe.

[mortal flame]

It’s out already? lol

I mean the public probably knows about the failure of the NY JTF with their Dark Zone and leaving the First Wave to die….. the guys up in DC probably know us since agents were coming and going from the White House and NY

[robust portal]

Likely to open people more to the franchise and maybe convinced them to try out the older games

[robust portal]

Nah still in beta but they plan to released it like early next year

[mortal flame]

should have released it back during Div 1 cycle

it’s like Star Wars… they keep
Going backwards lol jk

[robust portal]

That'd be cool if it was the attacker drone companion app

[mortal flame]

Still waiting for that lol

[robust portal]

Would actually be cool if we play as a drone to help out friends on the go tbh

So like
Having excuses for downgrading graphics because drone feed

Also the dev playing the mobile game in the dev stream confirmed that it's a canon game to the division universe

I hope they didn't force the expertise system in

It's not that much beginner friendly (especially for the people who found the game like 1 or 2 years after release

[woven tundra]

Only in beta

[ashen jungle]

Resurgence has it's own discord, if you're not going to be talking about the lore bits of it, you can head over there to discuss everything else.

[woven tundra]

Yeah, the SHD is part of the DHS, which is a federal agency
People in-universe have known since December 18 when the first agents were activated with PD51

[sick lantern]

"On the organisational chart of the US federal government, the SHD is formally listed as part of the Department of Homeland Security. However, the Division reports directly to- and only to- the president of the United States."
the SHD is not really a part of the DHS
also where are you getting these dates from?

[woven tundra]

Cal McManus - the Division's director - is the secretary of Homeland Security
I got the dates from having an unhealthy obsession with the lore of this series since the D1 days (and owning the hardcover lore book lol)

The lore book is wrong about the virus date though

They listed it as Nov 23 iirc, when the virus day was today, Nov 27

Division agents answer to the president and are autonomous in the field, but are still structurally part of the DHS

[woven tundra]

DC agents were activated on Jan 1, NYC second wave was Jan 6-8

Hyena council was Feb 14

[sick lantern]

i forgot about the dates because of the confusion over what year the game takes place in, suggested by TWOTD and the worldbuilding in game to be the near future, but Division 2 unconfirmed that to be 2016/17 whatever

[ashen jungle]

Calvin isn't the leader of the Division, the POTUS is the "leader", Cal' helped supervise the creation of it.

[woven tundra]

It's 2015-2016

Although we only play in 2016

[ashen jungle]

@woven tundra Years are in flux, at one point there was official art that locked the game to a totally different date.

[woven tundra]

Manny Ortega confirmed it essentially in one of the comms

[ashen jungle]

Think of div as "not yet".

The comms also confirmed that there was a different leader of the BT, then they invented Sokolova.
dates in this series are in flux.

[sick lantern]

what does that one comm say? "go back in time to 2016 to stop amherst"?

[ashen jungle]

That's a reference to the first game.
div1 also has a joke about Breaking Bad, but that's not canon in div either.

[woven tundra]

Also, with what buildings are under construction (National Museum of African American History, NYC Edge Building, etc.)

[woven tundra]

"Go back to 2015 to shoot Gordon Amherst in the head"

Also, Faye Lau references Hurricane Sandy in the first game

[ashen jungle]

Since we're just taking any old date as canon, I'm going to assume it's 2003, because I love the idea of Theo with a snap-band.

I picked 2003 because that doesn't mess up the release dates of the LOTR trilogy.

There also is/used to be? A sign on the Chelsea Piers that said it's 2020.

[woven tundra]

tbh I think the writers just can't settle on a specific year lol

[ashen jungle]

Never assume that a tiny bit of evidence you find isn't just an art dev having a laugh.

[sick lantern]

😔 true

[ashen jungle]

No malice, it's just "not yet", like any good what-if story set in the future.

[woven tundra]

They specifically kept Summit under construction in its release, giving credence to my 2016 theory 🤔

The building was finished by time of Div 2's release

But was being finished irl in 2015

[ashen jungle]

Ah yep there it is. There was a piece of (now deleted) concept art by one of the hired artists for div1, stating that it was 2019.

Used to be on their online gallery.

[tepid ibex]

WOOO DOLLAR FLU ANNIVERSARY 🎉🥳

[woven tundra]

Oh shit, really?

[sick lantern]

but we don't even know what building the Summit is supposed to be

[ashen jungle]

I checked it myself back in the day, but this was at least 4 years ago so bugger if I remember it well.

[woven tundra]

No, I've literally been there lol

[ashen jungle]

@sick lantern It can't be a real building, otherwise the devs would get sued.

[woven tundra]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_Hudson_Yards

[ashen jungle]

Lightly based on a real one, sure, but not actually that.

[woven tundra]

It's called "Edge" irl

[ashen jungle]

It's better than it's original name, "IE".

[woven tundra]

I would post photos of the 100th floor observation deck from when I visited but no image perms 😔

[ashen jungle]

If you start posting holiday snaps, I will not be happy.
I already have to deal with that IRL.

[woven tundra]

lol

I visited during March 2023, don't worry lol

It's right outside the Hudson Yards train depot lol (mission from Div 1)

[ashen jungle]

So, fun fact, Without the Dollar Flu, we would've been the illuminati's shock troops.
since one of our reason's for activation is:
"Overthrow or seizure of the state apparatus".

[sick lantern]

it bears a superficial resemblance but it's not 1-1, and the surrounding architecture in the streets doesn't quite seem to match
it being in the div 1 play area isn't mentioned in game afaik
and if it was so evident then surely more people would know now considering it used to be a pretty hot argument

[ashen jungle]

Ooh that's fun. They could've sent all the Agents out at once, forgoing Waves at all.

[woven tundra]

They can't make it a specific 1-1 for legal reasons

[woven tundra]

Div 1's map size was not 1-1 like Div 2's

Even if they aren’t physically the same, it is very clear that it is the irl inspo for The Summit

[sick lantern]

i meant what's depicted in the official art doesn't look like the Hudson Yards area

so it's a legally distinct version in a different place, at which point, it's just a fictional building

[woven tundra]

They probably just weren't going to model a full on Hudson Yards for a single building you won't exit in game

[ashen jungle]

Official Art is rarely a full 3d model.

[woven tundra]

Yes, but almost EVERY building in the series is like that

[ashen jungle]

concept art is done by a 3rd party to a studio, most of the time.

as I mentioned before, the artists post their work up on websites as a portfolio, so even if they are in-house, you can see it as a non-dev.

You can look up a lot of div based content right now and see the concept versions still online.

[woven tundra]

The inside of the BoO (post office section, not the later renovated Penn Station) looks totally different on the inside

[sick lantern]

off the top of my head, i wouldn't agree

[woven tundra]

They all have discrepancies, unless they are historical landmarks

[sick lantern]

i remember trump tower looking pretty accurate lol

[woven tundra]

The NOA headquarters is where the Bible Museum is irl

And the DCD HQ is the Organization of American States irl

Some things are changed a bit for gameplay/artistic liberties

While ViewPoint Museum is where the similar Newseum used to be until it was relocated

nvm, it looks like it actually permanently closed

Camp White Oak is a fictionalized version of Camp David
Both look quite distinct in layout from one another

[sick lantern]

I'm aware

but if The Summit is not in the same place as its supposed IRL equivalent, it can't really be considered to be that building
that's like if Times Square was in New Jersey

[woven tundra]

The Summit is very clearly in NYC though

It reuses assets from WoNY and has Riker+Cleaner memorabilia in the lobby

[sick lantern]

I'm well aware...

[woven tundra]

Where do you propose Summit is?

[glad spruce]

Just pretend it's Nakatomi Plaza

[woven tundra]

?

[glad spruce]

The fictional building where Die Hard took place

[woven tundra]

And has a literal NYPD squad car hanging from a crane in the lobby lol

[sick lantern]

not at 30 hudson yards like you suggested

[woven tundra]

I still think it's located at 30 Hudson Yards or at least based on said building, as most of the evidence supports that theory

At least, I'm headcanoning that unless otherwise confirmed

I know it's for gameplay purposes but it’s funny how you have DC factions and NYC factions in neighboring floors lol

[torn shoal]

in my mind the summit is a group dream that everyone fight in for control thats why people only control some floors

and as always the agents are here to ruin their fantasy

summit isnt canon btw ?

[frosty bluff]

I doubt cleaners, rikers, black tusk, outcasts, hyenas, and true sons would find themselves looting the same building

[woven tundra]

yeah lol

Agents probably cleared Summit in canon, it just went a little differently from how it goes when we do it in game
Similar to Pentco Fairview

And Survival in Div 1

[sweet crypt]

30 Hudson Yards makes sense, as it was still under construction when Division is supposed to take place. Also the observation deck does look like the 100th floor on summit.

[woven tundra]

Yeah, the place where you shoot off the flare in the end looks incredibly similar to it irl

[sweet crypt]

I honestly thought Hudson Yards was the freedom tower until now. Didn't know they were two different buildings.

[woven tundra]

One WTC? That's relatively far from Hudson Yards

[sweet crypt]

I've never been to NYC.

[woven tundra]

The games make it feel much smaller than it is irl

especially div 1, as it isn’t 1-1 in size like div 2/wony

I need to go back to NYC sometime
Such a cool city

I just hope we get a Division game set in Chicago so I can really go crazy about the map lmao

[sweet crypt]

That would be neat, I am slightly familiar with that city.

[woven tundra]

I wanna take over The Bean lol

They'd definitely do a mission at Navy Pier

I wonder if Ogilvie would be the main base

[sinful shale]

Y'all think the Division will ever be able to use the purple flames?

Maybe in the form of new shd tech variants, exotics, etc.

[proud flax]

Probably not

[proud flax]

Same

[torn shoal]

we prob wont have it cause it would be unbalanced, but its not something we wouldnt be able to use in a mission tho, after all we already have a flamethrower

[slate plank]

We technically destroyed the factory that manufactures them

[mortal flame]

Happy Black Friday people

[glad spruce]

More like unhappy day for Amherst, xD.

[mortal flame]

It’s hilarious that ||he died literally at the start of the virus…. And we spend the whole Div 1 looking for him only to have Keener clean his supplies and research out probably couple days before we find the house literally in front of where we started the game lol ||

[glad spruce]

Well, he was a misanthrope, so good riddance

[mortal flame]

Survival of the fittest.. natural selection lol

[sick lantern]

you know that he allowed himself to be exposed to the virus, intentionally?

[mortal flame]

case in point….

[torn shoal]

i mean, he was happy to die and take 90% of the humanity with him

[sick lantern]

it's not really "hilarious" that he got exactly what he wanted

[ashen jungle]

@severe cloud This channel is to discuss the lore of the div franchise.
If you want to find folks to play with, head on down to #td1-lfg

[severe cloud]

oh ok ty

[stiff terrace]

Does the world factions for d2 just feel like a 2/3 success? Hyena are just such a weird enemy going from d1 and for a certain reason. There was a logic to 1 each enemy being a personified agency to fall or a personality corrupted from before. This carried over in 2 for 2/3 factions(early). From what ive learned hyenas are past criminals and drug addicts, maybe even a few anarchists right? So why do they have that mad max look to them it just feels so out of place in game. If they were junky prior wouldnt that carry over in apparel? idk painted hoodies and jackets, police carriers perhaps like they already have and basic civilian esc builds mixed with the pieces of gear supplied by BT. The hyenas just seem very strangely out of place in comparison to the other factions in terms of enemy representation.

[ashen jungle]

The div2 factions are based on the div1 factions, but changed for a somewhat different setting.

And in a lot of the cases, they swapped things around from faction to faction.
e.g. Rikers backstory in div1 (left to die on an island, out for revenge) is the Outcasts story.

The difference there being that the Rikers chose to rule once they got out, Outcasts want to destroy it all.

So in the case of Hyenas, they took the "total anarchy" thing from the Rioters, but are actually organised about it. Using any abandoned police gear they find to help them achieve their goal. Remember that the Propaganda Broadcast for Hyenas is basically "we all gonna die, go smoke something".

[fierce willow]

As the Manhunt does feel like another marathon DPS check, it also does give off a feeling that the factions are running out of resources.

Lack of certain archetypes, mission dialogue and comms being informal and "panicky," and of course the inevitable betrayal between everyone in Sokolova's little summit. Also Alex.

Unless, of course, Sokolova has seventeen million other bunkers she can hopscotch between.

[ashen jungle]

I mean, she probably does, but how well stocked those safe-houses are at this point is a question for sure.
I think it's safe to say that she's downsizing the scale of what she'll give away to buy people.

[proud flax]

I thought the hyenas were based off the rikers, outcast being cleaners, and black tusk and true sons obviously based off lmb

[ashen jungle]

BT and LMB are both PMC's, so they're the obvious connection.
outcasts and cleaners same thing, fairly obvious.
Hyenas are definitely Rioters.
True Sons are 100% not meant to be similar to the LMB, their units are quite similar in tone to the Rikers, just more military and less crime syndicate.

[remote tree]

From recent comms, are the Ortiz still alive or?

[glad spruce]

Nobody knows, that's the thing.

Last time we heard of them, they were in a bunker when the outbreak started out.

But given the recent mentions of Claire, I'd stake my life that she's still alive.

Or at the very least, alive but under Sokolova's custody.

[torn shoal]

tbh its not important if they are alive as long as their kids or the ones who inherit sokolov still ally with nat

which is weird, its the apocalyspe, how do u keep factories churning out stuff, like where do u get the materials + how do u convince people to work for u that isnt just "work or u get shot"

like, the "work or get shot" only work for so long until people actually get shot or escape or rebel

its def not sustainable as a bizness model + u dont even make money since money is irrelevant in this setting

like thats not how it works at all when the world has gone to shit

thats why true sons got the foundry in the first place

[ashen jungle]

It's way simpler than you're making it out to be. "work and we'll give you food, protect you, and protect your family".
BT are successful because they project strength, they have the power to outspend/out do any other faction around.

[torn shoal]

i mean, strength and protection is nice, but its def not enough when your motto is "kill everything we dont like", you aint really sending good guy vibes and civilians def dont wanna stay with people like that

we know bt soldiers are completely devoted to nat, but an army isnt ready to fight without plenty of people managing logistics, and i dont see civilians handling that as much as bt need

i think the ratio fighting force to logistic is like 5 or 10%, thats a lot of people to keep on your sight

[mortal flame]

They all are actually brainwashed every day….. their daily food intake also contains a whole lot of brainwashing that they don’t notice lol

so basically they think BT is like the best there ever was….

[sick lantern]

see now I don't know if you're joking or misinterpreting Hunted

[stiff terrace]

Black tusk chose the opposite of what they did before instead of tire us out with the minions so they could more easily deal with the groups of interest and the division they seem to have decided to let us waste resources fighting the sub factions while they themselves regroup

[gaunt ice]

logistic wise i feel like the only thing they’d run out are riot foams, chunga armor and robotics

and black tusk have like a gazillion robotic units for some reason so probably just the former 2 that they’re short of

also the final cutscene looks like the foundry in the iron horse raid, so either the raid didn’t happen at this point in time or they already retook it after division left and started production again

[gaunt ice]

i feel like the only faction that would realistically run out of resource would be outcasts; the virus is being quelled so they cant weaponize it, its hard to find people that you can strap bombs on and bum rush the enemy and their morale is nonexistent after their leader dies and they have no replacement

hyenas can get away with not having a “leader” just because they are just thugs at the end, chaotic violence n all. Weaker without a council to lead them but would definitely stick around for a bit

[torn shoal]

yeah outcast still being a major force when their mode of action is "lets suicide to kill them" and also infect everyone including themselve with the virus doesnt seem like an effective way to stay a major force

tis fine and all to be dooming in the apocalypse, but if you dont think about tomorrow, when it comes u are unprepared and u will pay the price

heynas is kinda in the same mood but def not as hard

true sons and bt sure are working toward more power not just the everyday thrill or not caring about the future

even rikers are working toward going out of this hell in the end, but in their own way

heynas and outcast dont care about that, and outcast def dont want to see tomorrow

[proud flax]

Not anymore unless some will stay with black tusk

[glad spruce]

Anyways, tomorrow should be interesting since there's a livestream showcasing Y7S3

[tepid ibex]

survivorssss

[winged reef]

Quick question, does anyone know what type of pistol Keener uses? I’ve been trying to figure it out for my cosplay of him, but I haven’t been able to find anything about his secondary online.

[torn shoal]

i dont think he has one

i mean he has one, but doesnt use it ingame so, cant really know

[frosty bluff]

Maybe any of the First Wave pistols from Div 1

[sinful mauve]

his newely pistol is the Desert Eagle if you count it on Div 2

[frosty bluff]

Oh right. From that video, no?

Y6S1 trailer

[sinful mauve]

Yes

[burnt charm]

Where's the Resurgence channel

[ember temple]

In the resurgence discord

[fierce willow]

The story line for Battle for Brooklyn is kind of amusing to me because I'm sitting there thinking:

"Alright, cool, the Cleaners have this new accelerant. What organization could be backing-"

"It's the Black Tusk, isn't it?"

[glad spruce]

I had my suspicions back when Paradise Lost released

The ending, however, is what I didn't expect.

Given the teaser they shared for the Climax Mission during the Livestream, I suspect we'll deal with a Rogue Agent.

Or a Division agent who's loyal to McManus.

[robust portal]

they're the only one that maybe have the funds for it

[glad spruce]

Man, seeing Danvers screaming as his Zeppelin crashes into his death was cathartic.

[ashen jungle]

"who could've possibly thought a zeppelin was a bad idea?"

I'm picturing this one long-suffering BT analyst who just has a wiki page with the words "Hindenburg" on her cubicle.

[glad spruce]

Ah, the former NSA Analyst.

Resigned from NSA because she got tired of Cal's BS, only to be forced to deal with Sokolova's BS.

[ashen jungle]

I think I just found where I'd end up in the div apocalypse.

that tracks.

[fierce willow]

I headcanon it wasn't even Natalya's idea in the first place. The zeppelin was something Danvers had dreamed of, and Natalya just happened to have a surplus of funds to throw away.

I guess it also helps that he had success with the Cleaners prior to, but still.

[frosty bluff]

It could’ve been a feasible idea if they were the only faction with rockets and their launchers couldn’t be hacked. Just so happened that they were the only faction with rockets but had hackable launchers

Also I just forgot. Where does the JTF store their Blackhawks in DC?

[ashen jungle]

That one BT analyst looking at a picture of a slingshot with a grenade taped to it: "they'll figure it out eventually".

[stiff terrace]

All roads lead to Rome

[stiff terrace]

Which missions are first? Warlords of new york or battle for brooklyn?

[ashen jungle]

WONY is first, then BfB.

[stiff terrace]

Ok

[ashen jungle]

Div generally goes in release order, so if something came out first, it's probably canonically first.

Resurgence is the exception.

[robust portal]

we gonna lose a lot in resurgence

like the BOO and everything
even lau

[ashen jungle]

@robust portal It's set between div1 and div2, with flashbacks to pre div1.

set several months after the conclusion of the Division 1. With a familiar map updated to reflect the passage of time, the Division Resurgence will bridge the narrative gap between the Division 1 and 2,

[robust portal]

yeah but i mean lau and everyone in div1 lose the BOO

we gonna lose so bad 😭

[ashen jungle]

Not a lot of narrative surprise in something that we know the details of.

"JTF got complacent, rikers attacked".

I'm assuming there's going to be a mission where we go investigate the base in Hell's Kitchen where Heather Lau died(s).

[robust portal]

damn

[ashen jungle]

I'm happy to be surprised, but prequels are not overly my thing.

[robust portal]

with the fall of bliss the LMB must have joined or forced to be joined by the 2 other factions

[ashen jungle]

Mostly they disbanded, some joined the JTF, some the BT.
most just kinda "gone" into wherever.

There's a LOT of div lore out there. I'd recommend avoiding this channel if you don't want a lot of it spoiled.

[robust portal]

i suspect they got funded by BT people
there's no way we fumble that hard

[ashen jungle]

LMB were their own PMC.
BT were owned and operated by the Sokolova family.

(and the Cabal, but that's another thing)

[robust portal]

but i mean like after getting bash around so much they could once or twice agree to some terms and alliance

but that's just a theory
a game theory

[ashen jungle]

I don't know if that's meant to be a meme thing or not.

It's notable that the LMB were originally in NYC to evacuate the wall street types, but turned on them once it went bad.
They could've been a really big force for good, if not for so many work camps and public executions.

LMB went really facist really quickly. Their being wiped out was well deserved.

[robust portal]

real

[ashen jungle]

There is a persistent rumour that they're going to make some kind of comeback in the future, hinted at in various places.
but at this stage I think at most they'll be the next Incursion, maybe a DLC faction at most.

[robust portal]

pls don't
i have enough of the big shield heavy guy

[remote tree]

Would be nice to get another incursion, a white tusk/lmb related one would be cool

Maybe attackin one of their training facilities to continue cutting supplies and manpower off

[median crag]

What is the correlation with White Tusk, I haven’t really seen any lore explanation for them outside of them being just a tougher version of BT?

I also find it really interesting how no matter how hard BT loses, they always rally and come back

[mortal flame]

Tougher? They’re just LMB that became BT

[glad spruce]

Think of them as the equivalent of those LMBs we fought back in Legendary Missions for Div 1

[sick lantern]

you know how Team Rocket gets blown sky high every episode but survive because the show needed villains? it's like that

[glad spruce]

Also, Black Tusk is like our nemesis. We're the David. They're the Goliath

[slate plank]

More like we’re Godzilla and they’re Kong (they can’t beat us when we’re involved)

[mortal flame]

we have the power of nukes on our side lol

[glad spruce]

You mean the Presidential Clearance?

[glad spruce]

Manhunt: Mutiny, Comm#1, Crackdown

||General Anderson calls his Lieutenant, questioning the resource allocation as being excessive, as the Lieutenant had three crates sent to the training center, and 8 sent to the Foundry.||

||The True Sons lieutenant explains that a healthy supply of weapons and rations would keep morale steady, though Anderson questioned if they have the reserves to keep that steady.||

||This leads to the Lieutenant asking if everything is alright, which Anderson answered there'll be some delays until the disurption he's having has been dealt with, and makes it clear nothing moves without his authorization.||

||Lastly, Anderson orders his Lieutenant to keep his troops in line, with the stakes as they are, right now. The Lieutenant understands and tells his superior he has his full support, and Anderson dismisses him.||

[true fox]

The foundry, is that the iron horse? Is that correct or am I mistaken?

[late void]

yes, Ironworks Foundry iirc

[true fox]

my God

[torn shoal]

no we dont ?

also using nukes on yourself is, u know, bad

just hitting your own country is kinda the worst move possible

on top of maybe starting ww3 and the worse apocalypse than we have now if another country is trigger happy, which is very probable since its already the apocalypse and not many people have lot to lose

[tepid ibex]

Do you guys think the Season Bundle outfit having an LMB patch (now 2 chestpieces with LMB patches btw) and the final reward for the season pass being a White balaclava w/ headgear and goggles is any kind of foreshadowing to an LMB appearance or are they simply just homage to TD1?

[glad spruce]

Just a homage

LMB is long dead. Let it go.

[tepid ibex]

Lol, its not like the story isn't subject to change and people don't come back from the dead. I fw it either way

[glad spruce]

Anyone noticed they changed the total comm count for Y7S2 to 19 in the latest update? It's weird.

[frosty bluff]

I wonder. Is anybody jotting down the TSD voicelines? They seem to have unique voicelines depending on how close you are to an important location. For example, the American History Museum and “I think this is where the Voice of America is filmed” or somethin’ like that

[glad spruce]

TSD?

[frosty bluff]

True Sons Defector. I’m being lazy as I eatin’ atm

[glad spruce]

I haven't played these missions yet, so I'll look into that tomorrow.

[glad spruce]

I watched RogueGold's video.

The additional comms from The Pact Manhunt are real.

Tomorrow I'll get them

[quick bison]

"?iki,

[glad spruce]

The total count for the Pact comms was changed in the new season

It used to be 14. Now it's 19

[frosty bluff]

I honestly thought Anderson escaped offscreen but no, doing it solo and normal, I see he gets away by RIB

If only this were sniper elite and you can shoot some shots in the back

I'm gonna see if I can get the new comms... but its honestly reminding me of my comms grinds during my catchup with the manhunts

[frosty bluff]

Pact | Rikers Comm:
"I can't guarantee that the Outcasts did not decide to take a delivery fee"
I see the Outcasts were given a delivery job to send turrets & perhaps materiel to Brooklyn, but decided to take a delivery fee of a few turrets

I can't remember which manhunt mission might've involved Outcasts and turrets

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Also, because its Calvin McManus in these Comms and mentions "...my operatives in the field" in [ Deliveries ], I assume that either:

Calvin McManus was given control over operations in Brooklyn to counter the rise of the Rogue Agent/Defectors base of operations

Calvin McManus was responsible for that Blimp's creation

And for "AI Decision-Making", I doubt their conversation was a recent event, and if that were the case, it keeps the question alive of "Are the Ortizs still alive?"

[frosty bluff]

Pact | Rogues Comm

Talks about their operation during WONY to get Keener.

Calvin gives an okay for this operation as he particularly hates Keener and his rogues, though most likely Keener and his rogues are just part of the process to get him.
Nat gives an okay for this operation because of Keener trying to get with Meret

[glad spruce]

Pretty sure the turrets they were talking about are the ones from Brooklyn control points

[frosty bluff]

Mhm

However, I'm wondering what the Outcasts took. Could be a whole functioning turret, or disassembled a turret for its parts. If it were a functioning turret, I'm just wondering where they would've used it since I uh... I kinda forgor the past manhunts

[glad spruce]

I'd reckon that's a future problem, since the previous Manhunts don't have a lot of Outcasts, and we've yet to see them with turrets supplied by Cal.

[glad spruce]

Okay, I replayed the Pact climax mission, and got 4 comms. The last one is still eluding me lol

[glad spruce]

I just know it's called AI Decision-Making

[glad spruce]

Okay, so the additional comms can be collected by replaying the Climax mission twice.

I'll collect the last comm tomorrow.

[frosty bluff]

I had to do it thrice

[true fox]

So are the 19 really additional?

I was playing a little while ago, but it didn't crash, which is good because I didn't complete the mission 100%, thinking that it would crash on the named bosses.

[frosty bluff]

Yes

[gaunt ice]

so i just finished the Brooklyn dlc and i have questions

who even is Sarah, we're acting like shes someone important and supposedly "betray" us when i dont even remember where she came from or what her motivation is(unless playing in heroic cuts down dialogues so it got skipped through)

whats even the logistic of a MOBILE nuclear reactor, and why a zeppelin even

like the zeppelin's only gimmick is that it has a built in razorback, except its too massive and slow so AA shoots it down, heck, you can probably rip it in half with the technician RPG

whos the Grant guy that got away, i vaguely remember him having something to do with the deepfake subplot(which is bs retcon to make Keener look good anyway)

i feel like a lot of these were explained in the seasons before, like how Danvers made Theo leave Brooklyn to make it easier to steal the keys n all that, but im missing a lot of context and felt like i skipped 3 seasons of a TV show and im just watching the finale

and who is that other agent anyway, was she there before or just introduced in the dlc

[glad spruce]

Sarah Moretti and her family were introduced in WONY via Lower Manhattan comms, where she, her husband Mark, and her daughter Grace were trying to escape the city for safety, and got assistance by Keener.

As for the other agent, Melanie Hoskins. She was first introduced in Hearts on Fire audio drama, then introduced in Division 2 in the Y6S1 Descent comms, and later heard further in Y6S1/Y6S2 comms.

[frosty bluff]

As for the Zeppelin, I honestly don't know. I was thinking with the recent comms with McManus' involvement in Brooklyn that he came up with the idea of a Zeppelin, but looking over his old comms I ain't sure anymore.

[slate plank]

so far, i know TSD can make a comment about putting down a black tusk operator

also other factions like outcasts but i cant completely confirm it. speaking of outcasts, somehow they keep taking control points much more often than hyenas and true sons combined ever since the new season came out or its just me

[gaunt ice]

why would she have problem with agents(and by extension rogues) if she was helped by one before?

[glad spruce]

So, her family was killed by the Rikers. She wanted revenge against them, but The Bridge settlement encouraged her to find healthier ways to deal with her grief.

She was like "To hell with that", killed the Riker responsible, took leadership of the faction, partnered with Danvers and Grant, where they helped her in faking her death, becoming the 'Rat Queen'

[ashen jungle]

@ashen anvil This is a channel dedicated to discussing the lore of the franchise, you're looking for #td1-general
GL Agent

[glad spruce]

Given the additional comms for last season's Manhunt, I think it's safe to conclude McManus was trying to have his Hunters equipped as far back as the first weeks of the outbreak.

[sick lantern]

🤯

[glad spruce]

Or even the Hunters were probably embedded during the SHD's founding, not after the emergence of Rogues.

[late void]

That would be the logical thing to do, given rogues would only emerge after activation, by which point society is already crumbling - so you want to have things already in place as a safety measure.

[sick lantern]

wonder if anyone's been saying that for years

[tight loom]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happened, as I believe there are comms of Cal saying something like they were a contingency plan if any agents stepped too far out of line. (or something to that effect)

With each comm it seems like the SHD was expected to fail. (or some wanted it to)

[sick lantern]

@tight loom

[sick lantern]

saying that this has been implied ever since we first knew of mcmaus working with the nsa

[tight loom]

They're gonna have to do a web series or something going into Div 3 to catch up anyone that isn't or hasn't been at least semi-actively playing. So much has come to light over the comms.

[glad spruce]

Or allow legacy Manhunts to be fully replayable.

[proud flax]

They are

[proud flax]

Yup

[frosty bluff]

No the final mission is playable, but you can't play a Manhunt as if you never did the current one until the stronghold mission releases, or as if you were just starting a manhunt

It'll make learning the story easier, and especially make the comm grind much easier

The trauma of having to face those dogs... over and over again...

💀

[proud flax]

What are you talking about all previous manhunts missions can be played minus the stranded tanker cause you need warlords for that

Just hover over the missions where the previous manhunt missions were and toggle mission mode

[frosty bluff]

Thats what I meant by the final mission is playable. What I mean is being able to play all the Scout & High Value Target missions to earn the comms for legacy manhunt instead of the final mission being the only method to get the comms.

Same goes for what Hawkster is saying, with being able to play the Scouts & HVT mission for a legacy manhhunt.

-# Hawkster can clarify if there is anything I failed to mention

[proud flax]

You do get the comms doing the scouts

The last comms are only available to the Manhunt missions that's how it's been since the first one

[frosty bluff]

For replaying Legacy manhunts?

[proud flax]

Yes

I'm pretty sure they added that in some old update

If not then go on YouTube people uploaded the old manhunt comms

[ashen jungle]

That's correct, replaying old Manhunts gives you 1 comm per named enemy, with a usual total of 2 per/Manhunt.

[late void]

But you only get those by doing the legacy climax mission over and over.

Hawkster/ Foxtrot is saying that it would be better to be able to get them the same way you would if you had played the season when it was live: by doing the scouts or minor targets, and only needing to do the climax mission once or twice.

[glad spruce]

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say.

Not simply to collect the comms organically, but to get further story context since being only able to play the Climax missions tends to confuse new or returning players.

[glad spruce]

So something I wanted to ask, for a while. Whenever the Green Poison outbreak in Manhattan (aka ground zero) is mentioned in the game, they refer to this 'quarantine'.

I assume it's referring to the quarantine that cordoned off Manhattan during the initial months of the outbreak? Or is the quarantine referring to Manhattan DZ?

[ashen jungle]

I always assumed it was referring to the Manhattan DZ, as it's a decent chunk of the city in size, and the DZ quarantine failing is what tripped a bunch of events to happen.

"domino's falling" kinda deal.

[ashen jungle]

Just a reminer that this channel's purpose is to discuss the lore, not talk about bugs.
#unofficial-troubleshooting is the place for that.

[torn shoal]

im pretty sure its mostly the quarantine not happenning in time that was the real problem tho

when dz was created the virus was already across the globe basically

which is engineered this was obv there was no way anyone could prevent this

the factions and other apocalypse stuff were just a matter of time cause politicians didnt care about saving lives only saving their own ass and finding a way to profit off of this, mcmanus is a prime example, lmb too

[frosty spoke]

#division-universe message Well yeah

[sleek plover]

damn i hate lmb

[crystal needle]

And I hate the Mojave

[glad spruce]

Checked the Legacy Manhunt Timeline, and it says the Pact took place on 5th September

Which is obviously a typo, since it's actually 5th November. And before anyone goes conspiracy theory, Schaeffer was with us duting the Climax mission, and he was in his a coma up until we woke him up at the end of Y6S3 (Which happened at the end of October, in-game)

[true fox]

Understood, I had already noticed that it was a mistake.

[glad spruce]

Yeah. I don't expect them to fix this typo quickly considering the other bugs we're having in this season.

[proud flax]

Yup

[stiff terrace]

Patrolling the dz almost makes you wish for a dark winter.

[ornate gull]

Talk about dz

During Survival snowstorm, by time Agent enter DZ. It was during eye of storm right?

[stiff terrace]

Maybe

[ornate gull]

Since DZ doesn't seem get strong wind as Light Zone and much warmer

[torn shoal]

nothing is said about it, it's just gameplay wise made easier to fight climatic conditions inside dz cause enemy type got lot stronger + possible pvp and Hunter ending

it avoid the frustration of fighting a huge threat and just dying cause u forgot to eat a chocolate bar in middle of the fight