division-universe

[pulsar valley]

Plus has anyone asked themselves ever, what does that city smell like? lol

Smells like mustard gas, garbage, and death lol

[patent narwhal]

its her younger sister fayes girlfriend was viper

[gaunt ice]

thanks for the correction

but yea i cant think of why an agent cant be in a relationship cuz by that logic they should also cut all ties to their family

[glad spruce]

Just to clarify, Viper in this context is Bridgette Douglas.

I'm only saying this cuz one of the Black Tusk Snitch Cards is a sniper whose call sign is Viper

[gaunt ice]

yknow it kinda irks me that she's the daughter of the gun range guy and he's just like fine with us killing his daughter

just no reaction

[glad spruce]

Said gun range guy being one of the founders of Douglas and Harding.

[torn shoal]

police academy is just better suited for their needs

also prison is bad

division agents are the trope of sleeper agents : leave everything behind that they built in their life and go fight/accomplish an objective

its a reoccuring trope of the cold war spy shenanigans

you couldnt trust anyone cause everyone could be a sleeper

and it went as far as people not even knowing they were sleeper agents, cause brainwashing

the lives they leave behind were basically not important

[ornate gull]

Aren't Police academy occupied by LMB?

[gaunt ice]

im pretty sure no one occupied police academy

rikers took Lexington in div1

the LMB were at police academy to set up an ambush iirc,also to loot it but they never expected to fight a Division agent there(based on one of their dialogue when you storm the offices)

[pulsar valley]

Yes I get the idea, but not all spies are perfect and many spies had families and connections that they could not leave behind because human nature is human nature so, the player character is the embodiment of the trope that's for sure.

[pulsar valley]

I just think there's a lot of stories to be told that probably won't be told because the game is a RPGish-looter shooter not a more traditional RPG like let's say Mass effect or something in that vein.

I can only imagine what it would have been like having Clancy himself be part of such a story.

Yes I know I dream a dream lol

[waxen sonnet]

Very late to the party, But its clear from old season comms father and daughter were quite Estranged for many years already before her death.

[glad spruce]

^

And even in some Y6S1 comms where Bridgette Douglas is featured, it explains her estrangement with him

[torn shoal]

Well that's why we got rogues in the end

[pulsar valley]

This is true

[pulsar valley]

Wonder how many people just threw their watches on the ground and walked off lol

You know compared to those who actually tried to counter the system

[sick lantern]

be offered to serve in a top secret government agency to save the country when everything goes wrong
voluntarily accept
train physically and mentally for months
evaluated constantly for fitness and conformance
finally get approved and become an agent
continue to train and maintain peak physical condition and a good degree of military tactics and shooting skills for years
hide the huge burden completely from all family and friends, living with the mental weight of ur choice constantly
signal goes out, get activated
everything is going wrong, precisely as u trained for
”i didn’t sign up for this!”
go home
???
profit die of green poison

[pulsar valley]

And is your home still there even lol

[waxen sonnet]

Honestly, still not the worse type of Rogue agent, that element of Rogue agent I can actually understand, and they're basically the one small Element of Rogues that at least pose no greater threat to other agents and the SHD

Although I suspect they're "mopped up" by Hunters, as to prevent all there skills, equipment and knowledge falling into hands Mcmanus deems hostile to him.

[torn shoal]

Theyd be marked as rogue, also people just dont quit randomly, they get psych evals and training to avoid that

They wouldnt be killed but tried in Martial court for treason

Cause they are on a list of agents, cant really disappear

Same way any solder can just wander off and leave on the field, or go awol

You cant technically stop it from happening, but there is so much stuff you lose if you do, almost nobody wants to

Also first and second wave, things werent that bad

In div 2 it's been made clear you cant escape the virus or bt anywhere you go so might aswell have isac back u up

[pulsar valley]

Pretty sure in many of the rogue agent profiles that quite a few showed tendencies that should have flagged them in the SHD system as not suitable for recruitment but exceptions were made.

For better or for worse....

Soldiers have and can wonder off and go AWOL. Doesn't mean they won't be hunted down eventually lol

Plus I'm pretty sure a great number of rogue agents have little or no faith that the government will ever recover, in its current form.

I mean yes the game has only progressed a little over 8 months in game time but can thing really be that much better elsewhere? Somewhere is the rule of law still being upheld, without division support?

[wicked gorge]

This is why we vote Keener for president

[pulsar valley]

Lol

Is it true that the Joint Chiefs are still at NORAD or am I remembering incorrectly?

Wasn't president Ellis trying to get out there via BT?

[wicked gorge]

Ellis was trying to instate the black tusk and turn them into a police force

[storm axle]

Guys

Are there any connections to other ubi games in division?

Bc some of R6 operators could be in Division

[waxen sonnet]

No, the Division is a self isolated world, Any content like crossover apparel event, such as the STALKER 2 Crossover coming this week is purely non cannon store items

[sick lantern]

the division gets mentioned in far cry new dawn

[storm axle]

Welp

R6S have division themed cosmetics

Btw

I think that next division game should be again on The start of green flu

But not Like in div 1

In div 3 we could be First Wave agent few days after 51

That would be fire

[sick lantern]

that’s Resurgence

anyway not like there’s enough material there to make a whole game out of

[torn shoal]

not realistically, but isac doesnt care, its been made to uphold the law, so its doing its job

thats why you can still be flagged as rogue if you mess up

thats why faye went rogue to kill potus

cause legally, he was still president

it would be like super bad if ellis was still in power and let black tusk run the government

with big no no words

but legally speaking, it would be allowed

at least to isac

cause isac doesnt care about morality, its an ai, it cant

[cold bramble]

Can someone please briefly explain the situation with Mackenzie meret and the meret estate?

[waxen sonnet]

Mackenzie Meret used the substantial Meret Estate at the start of the outbreak to take in refugee's around the Long island area, turning it's vast gardens into vegetable patches and farmyards to grow food, while its interior was converted to bedrooms and sickbays to house locals. Sokolova, an old friend turned sour, approached Mack, attempting to get her into the fold under BTSU Control, which Mack firmly rejected.

Following this Rejection Sokolova used Mcmanus, who had an Hunter (Wright) imbedded within the Cleaners spread false information to them regarding a new outbreak at the Meret estate as a reasoning for attacking, with the intended purpose to destroy the estate, capture Mackenzie and bring her to Nat.

This however fails, as Mack's family before the outbreak had a seen to build a large scale hidden saferoom, capable of protecting those in the estate, and broadcasts an Emergency call to the SHD, Who send a team of 4 expert agents (And occasionally a Jack ) to counter the cleaners and managing to re-secure the estate, However the damage is already done to the estate after the prolonged fight, Most of it in ruins, it ends up making Mack find shelter in Haven's BOO.

[cold bramble]

Ahh thank you

[glad spruce]

Yeah, Jack said it better than me.

[whole ermine]

Why im unable to play D1?? It says something about uplay isnt working, but its working because i wouldnt be able to log in it and start the game

[torn shoal]

maybe a log in pb

also its not the right channel for this

[waxen sonnet]

The guys you want are over at #unofficial-troubleshooting buddy, they're more of the techy guys than us there so they might know your fix

[glad spruce]

Well, good thing the next Descent comm and Manhunt Scout is on Tuesday.

I wouldn't know what to do if they were today while I was feeling ill

[wicked gorge]

Can you or Barsetto catch me up on the lore for this week and descent? It’s been a busy week for me

[torn shoal]

it should be up there in the channel

[glad spruce]

@wicked gorge #division-universe message

[waxen sonnet]

@wicked gorge Alakazam 🪄

@wicked gorge Bibbity Boppity Boo 🪄

There you go.

[wicked gorge]

Apparently I did read it, i just forget, thank you my friend and the catster

[waxen sonnet]

Tuesday early afternoon (UK Time) I'll be doing this next part's Weekly scout Collectible

[wicked gorge]

Alrighty, I’ve been busy with school and some other things I haven’t had time to play the division

[glad spruce]

Likewise with next week's Descent comm

[storm axle]

Guys

How you think division games would look like if there was nuclear apo, not pandemic

[torn shoal]

depend how bad the nuke went

[storm axle]

Mid

Half of warhead where shoot down over oceans

And warheads that hit NY and DC where small

[torn shoal]

i think like less of 10% of the nukes on earth are enough for it to make the planet look more like endlessly boiling lava everywhere

so, not really good

[storm axle]

But this is game

[torn shoal]

well, you'd get something like fallout then

also fallout was more like with the nukes of the 50s, not the nukes of today, which are much worse

[gaunt ice]

this guy has me blocked but disclaimer that this is bs, Ellis has no real power because if he did he would have disavowed the Division as a whole or reinstate Black Tusk as a real power(which was their entire goal all along)

the Division answers only to the President on a technicality, and since ISAC cant give a crap about Ellis that proves that he is indeed a fraud

[ashen jungle]

Could he even be the POTUS, if most of the people who can give him that power are either dead or missing?

[wicked gorge]

Technically Yes since line of succession

[ashen jungle]

It's not like it's a thing that you automatically get if the previous one dies.

you have to sign stuff, swear oaths, lots of things.

I think the term is "interim".

[wicked gorge]

True but he was probably sworn in at a bunker, he was already president at the start of the campaign

Plus crisis and civil war probably sped up the process, tbh im not sure

[ashen jungle]

I'm sure there's something I could google that I do not care about.

My own country's system is complicated enough.

[wicked gorge]

More logical answer is Ellis was sworn in at Ravens Rock or whatever bunker he was stashed in and due to the crisis at hand, a lot of steps were skipped

[sweet crypt]

Considering nearly everything collapsed, he probably doesn't have any official powers, but the JTF would still hope to have him as the figure head for putting things back together, so he plays the part until it is no longer necessary.

[ashen jungle]

Considering everyone thought he was dead for quite a while, would'nt it have passed to the next person in the meantime?

Actually there's a line in that about the vanilla campaign, pre-getting him back.

Someone asks Manny where he is in the line of succession at this point.

[wicked gorge]

I think that’s where game logic comes into play for Ellis being MIA, I’ve always been confused about what happens if a person was sworn in and then a person higher on the chain was found alive

[gaunt ice]

he was sworn in kinda but never officially one(luckily)

he was flying to DC to be sworn in and take control of the situation but the true sons AA array caught them

[wicked gorge]

You would think being the bts most valuable hvt they would of scoped the area out but nope

[gaunt ice]

they could not interfere with DC at that time(its still a bit dumb but eh its passable)

[wicked gorge]

Yeah but you would consider scoping out the region to prevent a mistake but you know, logic

[gaunt ice]

reaching a bit here:they intentionally did it so they can kill off more government officials on the plane

[sweet crypt]

BTS was probably a last resort option, that was would've been put into play on a large scale much later.

[gaunt ice]

also he was sent in from the bunkers iirc, so they didn't know about the true sons lol

[wicked gorge]

Wasn’t a last resort, he was in cahoots with them the whole time

Thinking about it, Black Tusk would technically be considered a terrorist group for assassinating a president

[gaunt ice]

they are already a terrorist group lmao

[ashen jungle]

Hey, some of their albums are alright.

[gaunt ice]

its strange that they never sent an extraction team to pick up Ellis from the crash though

or they just assumed that he died

[wicked gorge]

Nah, they just wanna police the United States :p

[gaunt ice]

by uh,executing people

right

[ashen jungle]

Technically, they just paid for the assassination (in a favour, as far as we know, no money changed hands), although some of us do suspect that they also killed off the original POTUS too.

[wicked gorge]

I think they were paying the hyenas to safeguard Ellis to remain in the shadows

[gaunt ice]

they used 2 secret service agents to kill the original president in exchange for a safe way out of DC

spoilers:they got killed

[ashen jungle]

Yes, I know.

clearly.

why did you feel the need to repeat what I just said?

[gaunt ice]

oh wait no

i thought you meant the other guy

mb the guy after him

there was the pred,then the vice pred

[ashen jungle]

The ogiginal one died of a heart attack/stress, but some of us suspect that BT organised that too, which would track.

[gaunt ice]

just swap the pills lol

[wicked gorge]

What are you talking about Chairs? They were evacuated from DC and sipping on coconuts in the Bahamas

[ashen jungle]

There are certain Cold War things that could mimic them, and in a situation like this, I doubt a lot of investigation was done.

[gaunt ice]

ok Natalia

do you mean that one CIA gun that can kill anyone without leaving a trace of them being killed

[ashen jungle]

Nah I was thinking of the umbrella.

even for me, that one was niche.

[wicked gorge]

The gunbrella?

[gaunt ice]

"yea lets make this drug that can kill anyone and make it look like a heart attack thats untraceable,now make a GUN that shoots them"

that defeats the entire point

[ashen jungle]

Yeah you didn't get it.

dw, someone out there did.

[wicked gorge]

Am I insane or did Keener talk about being backed by an organization when wont came out?

[gaunt ice]

nah thats Amherst

he talked about having someone backing him beforehand for all the research

[ashen jungle]

I'm going to start calling WONY that, since everything in it is being undone.

[gaunt ice]

tbf even without wony it'd make sense why they knew this was coming

[wicked gorge]

Remember, Keener never made the eclipse virus- Ubisoft dev team

[gaunt ice]

the missiles are all fake

holograms son

just 50 decoys

also please forget about the fail condition and seeing the missile literally launching

[ashen jungle]

Also, ignore the opening WONY cutscene where the rogues slit the throats of innocent civvies.

[gaunt ice]

i still want whatever that tech Keener made that allows him to shock anyone on demand

[wicked gorge]

In reality, Keener was trying to save Christmas and we stopped him

[ashen jungle]

their grieving families are just a decoy.

[gaunt ice]

that still makes him the bad guy(i hate christmas)

[gaunt ice]

the dead bodies in the old base of operation are all holograms

ignore how you still have to wear a mask everytime you go in there

[wicked gorge]

The gas was vaporized Mtn Dew code red

[gaunt ice]

he was saving civilians the entire time!!!!!

[wicked gorge]

“I did what I did for the people agent!” (Slowly opens eclipse virus can)

[gaunt ice]

my internet is so shite i cant even see the embed before you delete it rivs

mod power abuse smh

[wicked gorge]

It was how the grinch stole Christmas

[ashen jungle]

That's for the best, honestly.

[ashen jungle]

I have a terrible power, and I only use it to make dumb points that I instantly delete.

[gaunt ice]

with great power comes instantly deleted embeds

[gaunt ice]

its just vape broooo

red vape

the people there are just high

i'd like to see the LMB again tbh, or the reformed ones

we did know that some of them joined the JTF and most of them also died at wall street

[wicked gorge]

Didn’t we get a black tusk reformed uniform?

[gaunt ice]

not sure

[ashen jungle]

I know what LMB stands for, I get in the div context: i still always read it as "left mouse button".

[gaunt ice]

but if they can retcon Keener being a good guy all along i wanna see the good guys

[gaunt ice]

the LMB when the RMB steps in

[ashen jungle]

Yep, it's basically the same, but with a jacket.
it's true, jackets are the true sign of goodness.

[gaunt ice]

thats not very tactical

[wicked gorge]

Nah, Jackets mean redeemed

[gaunt ice]

then again average black tusk looks like an airsofter that tries too hard

ive seen more realistic airsoft larpers

[wicked gorge]

Ah yes, might i redirect you to the Black Tusk Special Forces section?

[gaunt ice]

i like the true sons reformed better

[gaunt ice]

iron helmets with necks of steel lol

you know those extremely bulky Russian helmets that you see in any video game with a Russian gear selection?they can only block small pistol calibers and were mostly reserved for police forces, they are completely useless against rifle rounds

[wicked gorge]

So y’all think they’ll actually give us a explanation in game about what happened at city hall and where the eclipse virus was

[gaunt ice]

somehow in division they found people with a neck made out of obsidian and a helmet thats slimmer, lighter and blocks 50 cals lmao

[ashen jungle]

I only know those because of Matthew Reilly books.

[gaunt ice]

they're gonna ignore it lol

that would be not very heroic of our heroic vigilante Aaron Keener

"vigilante"

[wicked gorge]

Imagine the true reason he attacked city hall was because he found someone who had a crush on mert

[gaunt ice]

that would be very in line with his characer ironically

[ashen jungle]

Keener's loading screen tip in div1 is the best characterisation he's had in either game.
"even before the collapse, Keener always thought he was the smartest person in the room"

[gaunt ice]

also its wack knowing that guy had like what, 3 failed marriages

while being a wall street broker kek

[wicked gorge]

Makes you wonder what happens to those two wives-Paul Rhodes

[gaunt ice]

imagine having nearly infinite money and still cant pull women in your prime

bro has 0 rizz

[ashen jungle]

I think that is the most Gen-Z sentence I've ever heard.

[wicked gorge]

So I just discovered the coins you buy offline term is banned

[gaunt ice]

the bit one?

[wicked gorge]

Yep, I was gonna make a joke he was an investor also

[gaunt ice]

the future is now grandma

[ashen jungle]

@wicked gorge He actually was, canonically.
And yeah, scammers use it a LOT.

[wicked gorge]

Yeah, aint that what he spent his division bonus on

[ashen jungle]

IIRC in one of the recent comms, Keener mentioned about how he used his starting bonus to invest in crypto (that's the banned word).

[gaunt ice]

did it turn out well for him

he lost all of it didn't he

[ashen jungle]

It's crypto: no lol.

it's a scam.

[gaunt ice]

so he canonically got scammed

thats hilarious

im just imagining him throwing a fit in his room seeing his entire bonus just turn to fine mist

[ashen jungle]

You know, our Agents technically get paid in that now.
"e-credits" sounds like a start-up if I've ever heard of one.

[gaunt ice]

i always assumed that its just a gameplay thing

like you turn in gear you found for the JTF and you take some stuff from their supplies

[ashen jungle]

It's funnier if you imagine logging in one day and Theo just did a pump+dump scheme.

[gaunt ice]

"fym a m4 is 4 trillion e-creds"

[wicked gorge]

So whats Phoenix credits?

[gaunt ice]

gameplay

or just mtx schemes they dont have to all fit into the story

[wicked gorge]

Y’all were talking about the payment thing and I was curious

[gaunt ice]

i just dont think that in a post apocalyptic world currency really matters

you just trade supplies

[potent smelt]

maybe the credits are less so a currency with value and more so something like how many favors people owe you

[gaunt ice]

like in bank HQ you just see stacks of money lying around

[potent smelt]

lore-wise it wouldn't really make much sense to have e-credits, but maybe they could just represent the pull an agent has, sort of like how the continental coins in John Wick have such varying value (a hotel room and a gun were both paid for with similar amounts of coins)

[gaunt ice]

yea but john wick isn't set in a post apocalyptic world

[potent smelt]

...yes because thats just an example

the coins themselves have no set, real value

[gaunt ice]

i meant that as in the coins in john wick has a certain value sticked to them because the world is still mostly normal

[potent smelt]

same items bought, with different amounts of coins given. One coin for a nights stay, 2 coins for several firearms, a handful for cleaning up dead bodies...

[gaunt ice]

its more like something you use for a favor, and like you work in a government agency those stuff should just be a given and not a "i need a favor"

[potent smelt]

They have value, but not a concrete value is the point

[gaunt ice]

fair

if anything they should be paying me for overtime tbh

did the contract come with insurance

[potent smelt]

but thats how you could imagine what e-credits, logically, could represent

[potent smelt]

the recruiter said i'd get a camaro...

or a challenger...

all we got was a stupid wristwatch

[gaunt ice]

tbf you did,theres just no road to use it on

there's probably a fat signing bonus

also your bad for trusting the government recruiter

"russia called you a wimp,i wouldn't let that slide if i were you bro"

[potent smelt]

should have joined the hunter program

[gaunt ice]

technically hunters are picked from agents afaik

they have separate status too, "classified"

so you're just not built for it lil bro

[frail pond]

Or they could be devalued Bitcoins or someshit

[sick lantern]

there’s one line of lore, somewhere, that he got officially sworn in as president in a dingy bunker

oh chairs already said

and phoenix 💀 i presumed i’m the only one who remembers it lol

[torn shoal]

its confirmed he was sworn i think, in the loading screen lore bits

he is (was) the official president

thats why isac couldnt order a kill on him

and thats why bt really needed him

him being alive and on their side mean isac has to follow the new laws when he says bt is now in charge

tho, idk how they plan on updating that into isac at some point, its not like there was a semblant of tech/lawmakers left

but thats the idea overall, and the only reason bt took him in

if not for that, bt dont need him in the slightest, and its showing right now, they need to force their dominance over us, instead of trying the legal shortcut

[late void]

not the only reason, they wanted the briefcase iirc

[torn shoal]

i mean, thats also a neat bonus, but def not urgent compared to the rest

the nukes arent really important if you cant secure dc, you wont start nuking random places when you cant even hold wher you are

also if bt cant really hold a capital city, let alone a country, the nukes def arent in order

its just skipping too many steps

[potent smelt]

I wonder what a general figure for the amount of people the protag has killed in-lore is

In the thousands?

[torn shoal]

in lore we didnt kill many people, also its not a "main protag", its differents agents all around the country

here is no one man army

[ornate gull]

Talk about Agent

The Agent corpse in Survival near extract zone seem fresh

Are they were those Agent on board of Blackhawk?

[torn shoal]

they were most likely killed by hunter if its survival

[wicked gorge]

The odds of an agent getting flung from the hawk and landing in the dz is still a possibility but it’s more than likely it was other agents that attempted to extract

[ashen jungle]

We canonically only do one run of a Mission, and it's up in the air whether we have a team of 4 with us or not.
So probably a lot less kills than you might thing.

[wicked gorge]

If your talking about survival, the cutscene shows us in the inside of the chopper with 8 agents and since there’s 24 agents per match, there were 2 other choppers that went down during the storm

[ashen jungle]

....Survival isn't a Mission.

[wicked gorge]

I thought we were talking about survival tho

[ashen jungle]

It wasn't a direct reply, but I can see the confusion.

[wicked gorge]

Ah, gotcha, but aint a team of 4 agents considered rare and for more dangerous missions

[ashen jungle]

The dialogue used during missions is vague as to how many Agents take part, although for the campaign it does appear to be all us.
In my head-canon, it's a team of 4, as that's the only thing that stops us from being outright Super Heroes.

It's kind of hard to clarify what you'd call Survival, maybe "activity", but that has its own connotations in the game.

[wicked gorge]

Apparently it’s more important if you send triple the amount of agents than raids and dark zone incursions

[sick lantern]

considering division cells default size is 4, and the rest of the country presumably is not nearly as unstable as the east coast (black tusk, hunters, first wave, ground zero, etc etc), i’d say most division operations are being carried about by a group of agents working in tandem
no reason to divide and conquer yourself if you have the resources not to after all

[torn shoal]

agents usually group for big targets, but they also act alone often for smaller things, think open world things with lone agents, and full group for missions

also its not the same agents doing all the missions, you're part of a faceless group, they call you agent, you're not named

[waxen sonnet]

I will get the manhunt collectible written up for everyone here by tonight, Hopefully I'll get it out by this afternoon

[sudden mortar]

||Ok here's this week descent comm: "Maral". Keener discusses recruiting Maral McCarthy with Viper.

Viper is concerned about Keener recruiting Maral to be the social director of their settlement in Brooklyn. (Maral is "Theo's pregnant girlfriend" said by viper) then Viper says she can't be on a ground zero location and every place Keener is, is ground zero, then Keener says that Cal should have thought of that before send the hunter after him and his crew.

Viper says they used to be friends and Keener says they used to agree how the world would look like

And then Keener says he's gonna get out of hiding after Faye gets access to Ellis, then Keener can move onto "stage 2" of his plan.||

Sorry Arabic cat, not fast enough

[glad spruce]

Descent comm, log 76 titled Maral.

||Bridgette "Viper" Douglas was asked per Theo's from Aaron Keener about having Parnell's pregnant girlfriend Maral McCarthy as the social director of Keener's settlement in Brooklyn. Viper thinks that Maral should be moved to Hoskin's farm, not ground zero. While Keener argues that Brooklyn is not ground zero, Viper retorts that as far as Cal is concerned, wherever Keener is at is considered ground zero, in which our First Rogue argues Cal should've thought about that before sending his Hunters after him and his crew||

||Viper mentions his friendship with Cal, where he and the Secretary of Homeland used to believe what the world should look like. Viper argues that he and Cal are after power, the only difference being the one who wield it. Keener interjects by saying that's like every war in history, but Viper thinks its just another pointless war for some random people to sacrifice themselves for the ones pulling the strings who are hiding in bunkers.||

||Keener argues he can't get out hiding as he's supposed to be playing dead, in which Viper remarks that he didn't think that part through. Therefore, Keener remarks as soon as Faye gets access to President Ellis, he can move to phase 2 and come out of hiding||

||Just to make sure, this comm takes place after the events of WONY||

[waxen sonnet]

A minute between you two

[glad spruce]

Sorry I took too long

Descent is kicking my arse lately

Well, actually, it's because of reckless and careless moves that were kicking my arse

[waxen sonnet]

Just booting up the game now, I'll get the season done within the next hour, Unless @sudden mortar has beaten me on that too

[sudden mortar]

Now this week manhunt comm:

||Theo tells Keener that they need to find a mobile SHD shade server, access the ANNA backup, and find a copy of the simulation program.
Why are they doing this? They are doing this in order to manipulate the "SHD agent" into seeing anything they want them to see. then Theo says the copy of the simulation is in Washington DC. so they were planning to go there after finding that mobile SHD server.||

[sudden mortar]

You got that right Agent Barsetto

[waxen sonnet]

👁️ 👄 👁️
Unemployed in my first week!

[glad spruce]

I guess ANNA used the videos from Rogue_Agent, the Youtuber

[sudden mortar]

I don't know if that ||"SHD agent" is the sheriff or they just meant like any SHD agent. It's just weird they call him "SHD agent", like, no last name, no codename but idk.||

[sudden mortar]

Nah, it would be like buying tickets on a movie theater website and then immediately going to a pirate movie site to watch that movie.

[glad spruce]

So you got them earlier than me. Perfect

[true fox]

It makes sense and very interesting

[waxen sonnet]

PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE

Another reason I get to hate on Keener.

[sudden mortar]

That's the thing, ||they never said "sheriff" or idk "the agent who almost killed us" so we don't know exactly who is the so called "SHD agent"||

I just hope Trig and Viper don't come at us like: hey agent, we weren't on those bounties you accepted, we are alive and well.

[true fox]

Well, at the moment, I just think it refers to us.
the players.

[glad spruce]

I still think Viper is coming back.

If nothing else, this week's Manhunt comm does confirm ||Keener and crew managed to get access to the simulation program and would explain how we've been getting comms related to Keener in Descent||

[glad spruce]

The fact that she's been featured in comms since Y5S3 isn't a coincidence

[true fox]

Would it be a problem if she came back?

I don't think it impacts me that much, I think the viper is cool.

[glad spruce]

I mean, Hornet coming back in Season 2 was a sour point for some players

Not only that, there was controversy over Keener and Theo being back from the dead

Hell, there's still debates about it to this day.

[true fox]

I've always found it difficult to see what's real and what's a lie in this type of game...

for me later, after seeing Keener back;

"Okay, it's impossible for the game itself to perfectly match the story as it is told"

The only moment that this conversation worked was in the fight against Keener on Freedom Island, he goes through that door, at that moment, anything could have happened.

[glad spruce]

That's one way to look at it. He used shock against us just when we were about to finish him and went through that door.

He could've used the decoy to buy himself time.

Oh, and it's Liberty Island, Will

[sudden mortar]

If he used the decoy how could we touch his watch on his wrist?

[glad spruce]

That, I don't know. Again, my theory could be wrong.

[sudden mortar]

I think it's wrong but not 100% percent, like, he could just go through the door and like: Quick Theo, hide behind those crates while I use this fake blood painting to look authentic!

[glad spruce]

Lol, that's funny.

But yeah, maybe

[torn shoal]

hawkster 1min late, you know what it means

go to the dungeon

[glad spruce]

😔

[frosty spoke]

If its all gonna end up as ||Keener manipulated you through simulation, he bad, go get him in Brooklyn or whatever, I'm uninstalling the game 💀 ||

[sudden mortar]

Or maybe this is about ||the nemesis on descent, I already stated that a couple of weeks back but maybe the nemesis is the way of Theo of telling us who was the real enemy, maybe that's why the Nemesis has the appearance of the WONY lieutenant: Conley, Theo Kajika (even in the descent trailer where it is Keener with the green eyes) and every time we killed it, it revealed to us a comm related to Keener, silver creek and Cal and Nat partnership.||

|| and btw, even if they are trying to manipulate us, the sheriff can't do nothing if he is 📢❌||

[frosty spoke]

||Well, I'll accept literally anything, as long as we're on the same side with him. The prospect of working with Keener literally got me back into playing after I dropped Div 2 on season reruns ||

[waxen sonnet]

||Watch it be some sort of Projector based False Flag, considering Theo states he can project whatever he wants to the SHD Agent||

[glad spruce]

||Nemesis in Descent also take appearance of Rogue Agents from Seasons 1, 2, and 3 as well||

[waxen sonnet]

So what's the theory behind it we all think?? ||Some kind of Elaborate hoax or fakery coming up by Keener using Holographic tech to trick someone in the SHD, Either the Sheriff, or a Imbeded Hunter perhaps is my guess?||

[glad spruce]

Are you talking about the Nemesis or this week's Manhunt comm?

[waxen sonnet]

The latter

[glad spruce]

I guess we'll just have to see how things are gonna go since we have 10 weeks left till the climax mission

Crackpot prediction: Manny learns about this comm and confronts Keener

[waxen sonnet]

Crackpot Prediction: at the final second after all the implied stuff it turns out the hologram plan is actually a boobytrap (giggle) to trick and ambush a hunter in our midsts

[torn shoal]

Crackpot prediction : manny becomes rogue

and start dating keener

and then we get a telenovelas about their adventures

i'd watch that tbh

[glad spruce]

LYFE, that is a not so great prediction and I'm totally into that

[sudden mortar]

It would be like Deadpool and wolverine

[wicked gorge]

Crackpot prediction: the whole game is actually a dream inside Keeners head after he drank way too much

[shell parrot]

I need help with this riddle manhunt

[glad spruce]

Ask in #td2-general-chat

We discuss lore and story here, sir

[cold bramble]

Man this whole isac vs Anna thing is really interesting

What do you guys think of it?

[glad spruce]

I think it could cause issues for us as SHD agents and our mission

[torn shoal]

its fine to follow anna as long as it doesnt interfere with isac programming

but at some point there will be choices we'll have to make imo

isac might not agree

[cold bramble]

Yeah I agree

[cold bramble]

I just watched ngns video which was interesting

[torn shoal]

yeah ngn is the goat of lore

[wicked gorge]

It depends on certain situations

I think ISAC will be useful in certain situations and ANNA would be useful in certain situations

[cold bramble]

Could combining of the useful parts of both systems work?

[torn shoal]

might go this way, could be fun

[cold bramble]

Ooh 👀

[true fox]

maybe that one there

It was Keener, but with a non-lethal wound, perhaps inflicted by himself and the rest was the system.

[true fox]

leaving behind what he did..
Yes
interesting.

[wicked gorge]

You mean ISAC and ANNA merge to form ISNA?

[cold bramble]

Something like that 😂

[wicked gorge]

The fear of the merged AI is too dangerous to comprehend

[torn shoal]

Not really

You take the respect of the laws of isac, and the adaptability of anna

[ashen jungle]

So: Garrus.

if that's the case, I am all for it.

[torn shoal]

I mean, you can date garrus, not sure you can date the union of isac and anna

Tho I wouldnt mind that

And tbh Jack was always cooler cause she disrespect government

Cant be more cool

[ashen jungle]

You should've finished her story, but I digress: div lore.

[sleek plover]

my choice too. You have taste

[waxen sonnet]

I Just ended up correcting NGN On a mistake in his last YouTube video, This is like, correcting your boss as an apprentice at work 👁️ 👄 👁️

[glad spruce]

Which mistake, if I don't mind asking?

[waxen sonnet]

NGN Called ISAC - Integrated system Analysis and Coordination - I left a comment on his channel saying "Isn't ISAC Intelligent System Analytic Computer?" and in all fairness he accepted it was just a mistake on his behalf.

[glad spruce]

Yeah. To be fair, he had a mini-stroke that needed surgery not long ago and he's a married man with kids. So he can't frequently upload the videos

[waxen sonnet]

Oh sht really? Did not know that.

Poor fella.

[glad spruce]

Yeah, he talked about that in the last Descent video he made. I think it was "Release the Hunters"?

[waxen sonnet]

Ah thats on me then, I skip those comms video's because we discuss it here on Tuesday's instead.

[glad spruce]

Yep. I should also endeavor to finish my weekly Nemesis run more quickly and not get reckless in Descent so I can get a headstart 😛

[waxen sonnet]

Let's both retire and leave @sudden mortar to do it 😂 (That is a Joke ANNA Please dont worry)

[cold bramble]

What systems do hunters have that standard division agents don’t?

[sudden mortar]

Nah, I care about this game lore but not that much

[waxen sonnet]

A step up on the playing field over there SHD Or Rogue adversary's. Hunter's having Tech beyond the already advanced equipment of enemy forces, be it SHD, Rogues or even any of the other factions in play, along with the seemingly advanced Body armour and more training via the likes of the Descent Simulation and when you're needed as a Hunter, you'd already have a better footing against your target for the most part.

Not that that hasn't entirely rung true given Hunters are still killed by Agents.

[cold bramble]

I was just watching a countdown run and I noticed some things like the smoke screen and stuff. Be cool if we could do thar

Maybe that’s our signing on gift from keener? 😂

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah, that's quite the trick, Some form of personal cloak technology or the likes given Hunters appear and disappear under those smoke screens, no Idea the real world basis of such technology but certainly more advanced than even the Frontline SHD Are aware of an understanding.

[cold bramble]

Yeah haha

[glad spruce]

Good to know that I'll still be able to summarize Descent lore for this season 😛

[cold bramble]

So when are the division techs at the White House gonna strip all the black tusk equipment for spare parts or just something? 😂

[glad spruce]

Depends if we can decrypt them without them blowing as a failsafe

[cold bramble]

Oh shit that’s a thing? Birdie would be helpful with that right?

[waxen sonnet]

There's random encounters with JTF/Peacekeeper patrols were they can shoot down a small UAV Drone, attempting to get its memory card, only to self destruct

[cold bramble]

Oh damm

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I remember seeing that every once in a while whenever I explore Lower Manhattan

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah, the two JTF Sigh and say "Damn, Guess they really are Paranoid" or something like that

[sudden mortar]

Almost every BT tech has a failsafe, the warhounds, the minitank, I wouldn't be surprised if they even had some small explosive device attached to a BT operator to prevent capture/interrogation.

[torn shoal]

they do its called the "grenadier backpack"

but really tho, bt are way too loyal

we only captured schaeffer and thats not great

[true fox]

😂 I thought the same thing, they have to be reused, it would be cool

[cold bramble]

I always forget what that big thing is but is that like completely unusable or?

[true fox]

adaptation

[cold bramble]

Razor back I remember now lol

[waxen sonnet]

DP-52 Razorback Mobile Drone Platform 🤓

[glad spruce]

I remember fighting it on Dark Hours raid around the time of its release. Gave my group a hard time

[waxen sonnet]

First ever raid I did too, Still takes lots of coordination given it spits out just so many little striker drones

[wicked gorge]

First time fighting the razorback was hell, then after that it’s just a regular Tuesday

[sour perch]

That Razorback was something else.

[sudden mortar]

I think it was a decepticon in disguise.

[kind hare]

My apologies sir.
My wife has only just returned after a couple of years off, and is a little rusty.
I should have read through it first.
Only a small blip though, it doesn't impact the message.
Please keep pointing out mistakes though - it stops me from getting lazy and not checking these things beforehand 😅

[waxen sonnet]

@kind hare I should actually be apologising, I had no idea that you'd recently been unwell with your mini stroke (Of which I wish you a speedy recovery!) and that I should've considered that you'd obviously not have had the time recently to double check everything. I actually feel really bad that I corrected you publicly as I meant no embarrassment to you by doing so. Without Fanboying out (Too much 😂 ), you're one of the few reasons I actually am so actively into helping others out with the lore questions and theory's on this section of the Discord

[kind hare]

Hahaha no not at all. I'm sure that was just some brain lag 😅
Please continue to call me out, and anyone else who makes a mistake in this way. I'd prefer the correct information is being shared.
Not embarrassed at all. You were nice, most bring the pitch forks haha.
I appreciate your passion around the lore ❤️

[waxen sonnet]

Thank you

[wicked gorge]

Glad your recovering NGN, love your content mate

[torn shoal]

same here

u a good dude, and we enjoy your content

cant say the same for 99% of gaming youtubers

[gaunt ice]

womp womp

[glad spruce]

Okay, I didn't need to get pinged for that. But thanks

[waxen sonnet]

Most sane Chair's reply

I Swear since this week there's been new messages Broadcasted by BTSU Propaganda towers, at least two. Sokolova is explaining that the BTSU has indeed got an Alliance with Calvin Mcmanus and how they're now working together so the BTSU Can help "deal with Rogue agents" (Indirectly Us by the way its worded)

I Dont remember a Propoaganda message that ever mentioned Mcmanus and Sokolov Concern, which is what makes me thinks its a new thing

[glad spruce]

I think it was added since Y5S3, considering Black Tusk's propaganda broadcasts from Sokolova started out after the end of Y5S2

[waxen sonnet]

Let me shoot over my steam screenshot of it into your DM's and just double check

[waxen sonnet]

What do we know about Lab 001 Under the White House, Clearly a high level Scientific lab studying the virus, but its seemingly linked directly to the President of the United States, given its on White house land and it's only governmental coat of arms is the Seal of the United States of America, not the DCD Or CERA Etc.

[glad spruce]

You know, Rogue Gold's latest video makes me wonder if Keener and Theo got a copy of the simulation alongside a Mobile SHD Server and used the sim's technology to evade their deaths

[waxen sonnet]

A Mobile SHD Server doesn't really seem that capable of powering such an expansive thing that's the only thing I Wouldn't get, I mean the power requirements of the descent's simulation requires a complete building scale electricity grid to handle.

Then you'd have the SHD Server having to run as a Server, and then seemingly a battery for a hologram program, not entirely sure I'd think it works out

[glad spruce]

I guess we'll have to see

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah, in all honesty the sub plots we're finding out through comms to this season seem way way more important than Parnell at this point

Leaning hard into the set up for the DLC more and more which is exciting (hopefully)

[gaunt ice]

reviver hive

they do necromancy now

[glad spruce]

It does explain why they revive my Agent any time she dies xD

[wicked gorge]

The power of magic in the palm of my hand

[sudden mortar]

They also don't explain if we are dead or not.
Like, on the teammate screen, it says unconscious, but ISAC says: agent killed. Did the reviver hive fix the pulse detector or what

[waxen sonnet]

I mean you say that but Unironically if they can be so advanced to revive you from Major trauma they're gonna have lifesigns monitor's

They do drop automatically from your agents backpack as an agent goes down after all don't they 👀

[wicked gorge]

I love the reviver hive went from a skill to being a meme in the lore community

[torn shoal]

guys, its a world where you can unload a full ar clip in someone's head, and they lose armor

dont go looking for realism xd

otherwise we wouldnt be able to carry 150 guns on us + ammo + skills + caches + spec weapon + 15 nades + etc

[wicked gorge]

Nah Lyfe, the Division is realistic, hell the rioters could take down the ghost or rainbow due to their bulletproof clothing and endless ammo

[waxen sonnet]

Just built different, We've been shot, Gassed by DC-62, Cooked by Cleaners, Electrocuted, Blown up, Survived helicopter crashes

In fairness though the Division does get a lot of elements correct in terms of realism

[wicked gorge]

Not to mention, we were exposed to too many bio weapons and chemicals

We’re basically super soldiers at this point

[tepid ibex]

This is some bullshit, i want a metal arm already

[ashen jungle]

I think that was Sawyer's plan, and she's too embarrassed to admit it.

[wicked gorge]

Okay, that’ll be 5001 Phoenix Credits

[sudden mortar]

And what next? We're gonna storm the BT hq and put a nuke there while listening to "rebel path"?

[waxen sonnet]

Nah far too over the top, we're just going to draw our sidearm and shoot her in the face

[torn shoal]

division 3 : revengeance

[sudden mortar]

Tom Clancy's: the cybervision

[sleek plover]

HELL YES

[waxen sonnet]

New NGN Video dropped lads @glad spruce @wicked gorge

[wicked gorge]

Yay : D

[waxen sonnet]

Good video, he's discussing theory's behind what we'll face at Brooklyn, and makes some interesting points and idea's thats for sure, some of which we've discussed here

[wicked gorge]

Imagine the settlement is on the street with the first ever safe house

[sick lantern]

where they could look just across the street and see the burnt out husk of the vtol keener blew up

[wicked gorge]

Guarantee its peppered with signs saying this was during my emo rogue phase

[waxen sonnet]

Aint no way they're gonna miss the chance to NOT Add those in as throwbacks

[wicked gorge]

It’s crazy to think in a month, it’ll be a year since we killed the recruiter

[glad spruce]

If we don't get a reference to the queue line from the first game's launch in Brooklyn DLC, I'll be disappointed

[torn shoal]

i want a reference to the ninja turtle

and/or spiderman

[wicked gorge]

Butterfingers Lyfe, Butterfingers

[torn shoal]

i have no idea what that mean

[wicked gorge]

Have you not seen Spiderman 2?

[torn shoal]

which one ?

spîderman 2 ? spiderman 2-2 ? spiderman 2-3 ?

the spiderverse 2 ?

there is like 4 live action spiderman series, the animated ones, there is just way too many to just say "spiderman 2"

[wicked gorge]

With Toby Maguire

[torn shoal]

ok so the first one

whats about it ?

[wicked gorge]

There’s a scene where doc oct drops aunt may and says butterfingers

[torn shoal]

i didnt watch with the original audio, so i have no idea what scene it was, or what it means

[wicked gorge]

Click on my profile, i have it as my banner, maybe it’ll jog your memory

[torn shoal]

nope

you could juste tell me what it mean xd it would be faster

[wicked gorge]

Well doc ock drops aunt may and says butterfingers which has become a meme

[torn shoal]

why did he say that ?

what does that mean

[wicked gorge]

It means his fingers were slippery like they were covered in butter and he couldn’t hold on to her

I can’t wait for Rivens to see this and question it before deleting it all

[torn shoal]

only if she has bad taste and hates spiderman

[wicked gorge]

Well its off lore discussion so I understand but still funny

[torn shoal]

is it off lore tho ? we got ninja turtle reference in div 1

might have something like that in next dlc

its speculation, but not really off lore

[wicked gorge]

Yeah, we went from talking about the dlc to how you don’t know what butterfingers mean

[torn shoal]

yeah but thats LORE

[wicked gorge]

Okay buddy, get me a picture of Spiderman before Keener does

[mint citrus]

Honestly, I feel like Spider-Man would do surprisingly well amidst the Green Poison pandemic

[gaunt ice]

spiderman would clear the NYC map in like 3 hours no Avengers neeved

all those LMB dudes+Bliss tied up and dumped infront of NYPD before sundown

[mint citrus]

Absolutely

No diff the Cleaners

SPEAKING O' WHICH

In a lot of their audio logs in the 2nd game, they leaned really heavily into the whole... I'm walkin' here! aspect of what New Yorkers sould like in most media

[sick lantern]

pre nerf Survivor Link soloes the whole verse though

[mint citrus]

Have we found Theo yet?

[gaunt ice]

come back in uh

8 weeks?

[mint citrus]

Dollar store Wade from Kim Possible

Understandable

[gaunt ice]

senator Armstrong link

[waxen sonnet]

Wtf has this channel become in the last 12 hours

[gaunt ice]

what drip fed content does to a channel

honestly i have no idea where the spiderman part even came from
the only relation he has is probably being in New York

[sick lantern]

^ @gaunt ice

[gaunt ice]

thats the uhhh the like doc Ock said when he dropped aunt May didn't he

[late void]

it's a common phrase in England at least for when you drop something accidentally

[torn shoal]

what if its not an accident ?

[glad spruce]

Let's call it a happy accident

[torn shoal]

im sure green poison was a happy accident

[late void]

You'd use it sarcastically to 'pretend' it was an accident maybe, like the doc oc example

[waxen sonnet]

(What Kettle mean's to say is we Brit's would say a lot of far more rude things the server's filter would prevent )

[wicked gorge]

Im surprised Rivens hasn’t stepped in She’s probably enjoying the chaos

[gaunt ice]

rivens is just a big spiderman fan

that or another 50 foot tall spider is invading her lawn

[ashen jungle]

A minor house emergency took up my time. But yeah, back to the lore now, you've had your fun.

[gaunt ice]

its definitely the spiders

[waxen sonnet]

Would one of you ladies or gents handle next tuesday's season collectible comm before I forget to ask, I have driving lessons that day and wont be able to do it.

[gaunt ice]

it can come late tbh no sweat

[wicked gorge]

You should be ashamed of yourself Barsetto( take all the time you need buddy)

[untold harbor]

So i have been roaming around in Dark Zone South and everyone has seemed to be friendly, what’s up with that?

It’s also been getting dead from time to time

[waxen sonnet]

Think you're in the wrong channel buddy this is for the Storyline and Lore discussion of the game, you probably want #td2-general-chat

[untold harbor]

Oh my bad

[waxen sonnet]

No worries, it happens more than you'd think

[glad spruce]

I'll handle it

[sudden mortar]

I think we should change the name of this channel to Division-story chat

[glad spruce]

That's up to the mods

[torn shoal]

i mean its more than just story

shd and its chain of command is lore, not just story

[glad spruce]

Yes. And given what's being set up for the Brooklyn DLC, it brings into the question the moral and ethical implications of D.C Division agents working with Keener against Black Tusk/The Hunters

[torn shoal]

well, its the same as any spy story/thriller

the alignment chart

who break the law, who respect it, who uphold it, who is good, who is bad

[sudden mortar]

My point is, I know "universe" refers to the world where the games and books take place but of course it isn't the first thing that will pop in the heads of the new players on this server.

[torn shoal]

each one is different

like, we had this argument already

but ellis was bad, but not breaking the law

while agents are supposed to be good and follow the law/uphold it

keeners in his new arc is "good" but breaking the law

and each faction is a shade of each alignment

also "good" and "bad" is up to interpretation since morals are differents for everyone

and the law doesnt apply the same to everyone, and can be changed

thats why its interesting, its a game of allegiances where the board move as well as the pieces

[shell parrot]

I put a bullet through his head

[shell parrot]

The game was based off of the book

[neon latch]

I'm still curious on how Keener and them are still alive after being brought down..

[oblique oxide]

whats up with the random interrogation room we can open in the federal triangle?

[sick lantern]

Uh, no it wasn’t

[glad spruce]

It's not explicitly stated, but its implied they used decoy and ANNA to fake their deaths

And no, it doesn't count if you put 1000 bullets in gameplay

[gaunt ice]

plot armor

also the agent has 1 braincell

[glad spruce]

Don't mind Chairs, he's being Paul Rhodes

[neon latch]

I see. Though a bigger question, I'm sure the most asked but...with the Division set up in the States, I wonder what the rest of the world has to combat everything other than settlers..

[frosty spoke]

Well it didn't in Schaeffer's case too, to be fair

[glad spruce]

There's a comms set that involves a CIA officer reporting the state of the world from the Green Poison.

NGN has a video on that

[glad spruce]

Fair, but it was his plan to get captured by Division agents, so the onus was on him xD

[neon latch]

So in Keener's case he was basically pulling a Severus Snape, playing both sides of the field.

But Schaeffer..why is trying to get caught, to take down the Division from the inside and find the anti-viral?

[glad spruce]

No. It was established in Season 9 that he was working with Faye Lau to help the Division and try to warn them about Calvin McManus and the Hunters. Especially when Schaeffer was shocked to learn that the Hunter that he was given works for the secretary of homeland security.

Matter of fact, Faye entered the Black Tusk undercover to try to undermine both them and the Hunters

[torn shoal]

Paul was the good guy tho

[glad spruce]

Descent comm, log 76 titled Moretti.

||In this comm, Bridgette Douglas asks Aaron Keener about the Moretti family. Turns out that only Sarah is alive as her husband and her daughter died. Keener feels blame for their deaths, though Douglas assures him it's not his fault as he got the Rogue Network online, Faye working her way inside Black Tusk, and have Schaeffer on their side. ||

||Despite the assurance, Keener feels guilt about it as the Morettis were the first people he felt he truly saved. And Sarah Moretti reminds him so much of Mack and his two ex-wives. He explains that despite Sarah saying she'll be okay, Keener feels haunted over the death of Sarah's daughter especially when parents aren't supposed to outlive their children. So the way he sees things, it's all hollow platitudes and distractions through work.||

For context. the Moretti family were the husband/wife/daughter from Lower Manhattan comms

[sick lantern]

after years of “Keener saved that one family tho” coping

[glad spruce]

Manhunt comm, log 5 titled Conley.

||Theo Parnell reports to Aaron Keener that Conley's intel about the Combat Simulation Program (aka Descent) facility was right and that he found it. Not only Theo got the program, but he also got a plethora of Mobile SHD Servers destined for parts unknown, with their modification||

||Keener was very impressed, even going to say "I love you, Theo"||

[sudden mortar]

Ok, I might be dumb for not noticing this before, but our SHD brick always flicks when either ANNA or ISAC is talking to us.

[waxen sonnet]

Wait, it does 👀

[waxen sonnet]

||Man's building a Holodeck, but the question is, what the hell are they going to try and fake to an extent they need many SHD server's considering just one could protect SHD Operations in Washington||

[glad spruce]

||But what if they could modify the servers so that the Rogue Network becomes immune to the BTSU's countermeasure?||

[waxen sonnet]

||But again, these servers seem to be more used for the computational needs of whatever there version of the simulation they seem to "want to show the SHD agent"||

[glad spruce]

Well, we have 9 weeks to go till the Manhunt climax, so I'm interested to see more what the comms from the Manhunt and Descent are offering

[waxen sonnet]

||Wonder if the climax Unironically will be a Holographic trap||

[glad spruce]

||Wouldn't be surprised if Glasses uses decoy holograms to trick Black Tusk troops in the Climax mission||

[torn shoal]

i mean thats his whole gimmick

[glad spruce]

I'll probably get smack-talked for saying this, but this week's Descent comm is probably the first time I've seen Keener showing himself as vulnerable.

So, my kudos to the voice acting in that comm

[glad spruce]

I just checked what you were saying while doing some open world activities and you were right.

[torn shoal]

its always like that when we get hacked

which anna does since she doesnt really care for our permission

[waxen sonnet]

||Theory, Listening to it again, seeing as we know Keener and Theo have only been shown to have the singular Mobile SHD Server at any one time in cutscenes, even in safehouses, what if they actually only needed access to them to modify these SHD Servers, "destined for parts unknown, with their modification", before returning them to the SHD or even BTSU (who desperately wanted there own MSS) like some sort of ticking time bomb cyberweapon||

[gaunt ice]

you'd think that they'd be immune to this due to their excessive EMP spam

like Black Tusk is meant to be the counter Division faction no?
and not to mention hunters

[wise crown]

Hunters are the Division counter, Black Tusk just happens to be capable enough to be a threat.

[gaunt ice]

i mean that as in the general faction

we know that hunters specializes in taking down division agents but black tusk was also a more formidable foe thats also much more widespread

leads back to what i was saying that making the server fool proof to tampering?sure
using decoys against black tusk/hunters just seem very stupid because sure it'd work the first time but the second time they'd just initiate EMP spams on the area

[wise crown]

I mean, maybe it hasn't always been used like this but isn't the decoy intended as a last ditch effort type of thing? in that case it really only needs to work once. And they probably wouldn't recognise it instantly every time either, esp if the individual hasn't been around the block a few times.

[wicked gorge]

I think this is my favorite Descent comm. Keener is supposed to be this calculated genius that doesn’t show empathy. Seeing him mourn the families loses is kinda sad, plus it still shows he still has that division motto of saving what remains

[shell parrot]

It was Tom Clancy was a book writer

[sick lantern]

and did he write a single book about The Division?

nay

in fact he died like two years before the game was announced at all

[waxen sonnet]

Ubisoft own's the rights to Tom Clancy's name in the use of there products after purchasing Red Storm Entertainment, of which Tom Clancy co founded, they further In 2008 brought rights to use Clancy's name and books for video games and film. Mr Clancy had actually died 4 years before the first game's release and 7 before the second game

Clancy has used bioweapon subplots in some of his books, but that was mostly back in the 1990's, and more of a nation state warfare than a Division based Gordon Amherst style plotline.

[wicked gorge]

The Division is basically the Black sheep/Red headed step child of the Tom Clancy franchise

[torn shoal]

Keener always cared about civilians in distress, that's why the eclipse virus stuff from wony is weird as it doesn't fit the character

I wouldnt be surprised it's all retconed or say something like "akchtually it was a decoy to fool bt and civilians werent the target"

[waxen sonnet]

@wicked gorge Remember how I said I knew if you said Keener was good you'd set Lyfe off.

I. CALLED. IT.

[wicked gorge]

He didn’t go off though? Hell im surprised he somewhat agreed with me

Barsetto, he somewhat agreed, the end times are near

[waxen sonnet]

Too many Keener apologists since that comm dropped, I side eye you all in disgust 👀
Bohoo the War Criminal has feelings once in a while IT DOESNT REDEEM HIM BECAUSE HIS PET PROJECT DIED AHHHHHHHHHH

[wicked gorge]

Your getting the scariest punishment of them all

Go sit in the corner for 10 minutes you meanie

[torn shoal]

Somebody getting unhinged today

[glad spruce]

We're Division agents. We all have few screws loose /hj

[torn shoal]

No wonder it's all gone so bad then

But tbh I dont understand why people fail to see keener motivations or goals, aside from wony he always was pretty consistent in his actions

He just got a différent pov, where jtf was doing more harm than good

Knowing they litterally said "fk it we ball" when things were tough, you know you cant count on them to help, so the lmb was the 2nd best choice if the national guard doesn't appear

After that it's the old tale of "we gone too far to walk back" cause if they stop being rogue they would be executed for treason anyway

And that kids, is why you dont kill people on sight when they do bad stuff, cause then they know it cant get worse no matter what they do

[gaunt ice]

bro splitting facts

🗣️🔥🔥

[ashen jungle]

Is it technically a war crime if no former war has been declared?

[gaunt ice]

terrorism

[ashen jungle]

"sparkling atrocity"

[gaunt ice]

attrocity

[ashen jungle]

My keyboard is older than some people on this server, cut it some slack.

[torn shoal]

geneva convention said yes, a war doesnt have to be declared to be counted as war iirc

idk if keener would be counted as one tho, you're supposed to be in an org that is at least somewhat official

if you need to declare war before doing war crime countries would just say "we dont recognize this country so its not a war"

[frosty spoke]

Y'all arguing about Keener being war criminal
Meanwhile, SHD tech: flamethrower, incinerator turret, oxidizer, firestarter, stinger hive

[sick lantern]

bioweapons are worse tho

[sick lantern]

this isn’t true but it’s lyfe so i won’t bother unless asked

[waxen sonnet]

Your average agent Still doesn't go ahead and kidnapped a Virologist to make a Bio-weapon, deploy it into Manhattan, attempt to deploy it a second time, equip it to cells of rogue agents to deploy it, all but massacre of first wave and elements of the second, and then joins forces with hostile factions against the US

[waxen sonnet]

Facts

[glad spruce]

At this point, there's no convincing you guys cuz you have fantasies of mauling Keener to death

[waxen sonnet]

Literally yes.

One mini redemption does not wipe a slate clean, and the minute the Hunter's and BTSU are gone, he'll stab us in the back

[sick lantern]

📠

[glad spruce]

You guys are obsessed

[sleek plover]

I think he can cook up some really good chili tho with all that bachelor aura of his.

[waxen sonnet]

I will have my vengeance in this game or the next

[glad spruce]

😛

[waxen sonnet]

I think honestly everyone is going to die in the DLC and we become a high up Field Commander of The Division, cleaning it up from the inside and restoring it to what it should've been

[sleek plover]

Manny for president

[waxen sonnet]

Manny can retire in peace at last more like

[torn shoal]

cant wait until we have the manhunt climax mission and we got to save keener lmao

[waxen sonnet]

We litearlly already did that though,

[glad spruce]

Yeah, Federal Emergency Bunker

[torn shoal]

nah, we barely did anything there

im talking like saving him as he is on verge od death

not cause we need him to kill boss

[glad spruce]

Ah, okay

[wild crag]

I’m late to this discussion but I think that even if Keener is helping now he’s too big of a loose end

If we had just double tapped him in WONY none of this would have been a problem lol

[torn shoal]

keener is our only hope vs bt and hunters tho

the division is clearly being outclassed and outnumbered

we need to rogue network

[gaunt ice]

^Keener’s alt talking

[torn shoal]

we need anna too, isac is too limited

[gaunt ice]

we’re in this spot because we have Manny being a literal clown

even without SHD tech we still ripped them a new one

[torn shoal]

remember that division agents dont act as an army, but as small teams

we def dont have the strengh a private army has

[gaunt ice]

not once have them considered to reboot the local SHD node in Jefferson

[wild crag]

Hunters are probably a much smaller force than the division tbh

[gaunt ice]

our tech is incredibly simplistic compared to BT

its just training yo,we’re just THAT superior

[torn shoal]

yeah but they are specialized in killing us, so they are def a threat, and bt clearly outnumber us

[wild crag]

Every faction knows how to kill us in theory

[gaunt ice]

1-4 agents cleared out entire strongholds of BT before they’re not that threatening

[wild crag]

Black tusk is a threat sure but they’re subject to the same tribalism as all of the other factions

[gaunt ice]

we just need a leader who isn’t a literal clown

[torn shoal]

well, knowing how to kill us and being able to is way more different than you think

only hunters are experts in both

the others arent really good at it

[wild crag]

Hunters would have to chip away at us one by one

They don’t have the numbers to take us out quickly

[torn shoal]

yeah but its as i said : hunters dont have the number on us, but we have the number on nobody either

[wild crag]

I know they look cool and all but if we dedicated ourselves to fighting them instead of just running into them on occasion they wouldn’t stand a chance

[torn shoal]

its like saying hunters should lose cause they arent as many, but we should win vs bt cause they are weaker

it goes woth ways

[wild crag]

I mean look at the number of Hunters killed in DC alone (going off the ones you kill for the masks)

That’s gotta be a big chunk of their personnel

[torn shoal]

there is many more hunters

we only know thoses we killed

[wild crag]

I’d say there’s probably about as many hunters as there are division agents

They formed as a fringe group in secret so it’s not like they have recruiting posters

[torn shoal]

i'd say less hunters than agents tbh, hunters are supposed to take down multiple agents by themselves

[wild crag]

And we can take on three hunters at the same time by ourselves

It’s pretty even tbh

Keener may have his uses but he will outlive his uses eventually

[torn shoal]

ingame yes, in lore not really

in lore, hunters are basically godlike vs agents

[wild crag]

Well obviously they’re scared of just attacking us because they stay hidden so much

[torn shoal]

no, thats cause of their training, to act like a ghost

never be seen, never get captured

so that nobody knows who they are

[wild crag]

If they truly had tactical superiority over the division then they’d be raiding us constantly

They have to never be seen because they’re outnumbered and outgunned

[torn shoal]

they do have superiority

[wild crag]

Nobody dedicates to stealth like that just because they think it’s cool

It’s always out of necessity

[torn shoal]

no

its because its a game, its supposed to be fun

in lore they attack rogue agents, not loyal agents

but ingame they still attack us

[wild crag]

They kill both

[torn shoal]

not before div 2

[wild crag]

We are currently in div2

[torn shoal]

their entire purpose is to hunt rogues in the first place

[torn shoal]

yes but im explaining to you their story

we only know about hunters cause sokolova was not careful

before that, their training of staying hidden worked

[wild crag]

They’re a faction of homeland security agents that think the division has too much power and didn’t want the risk of it going sour

So they’re extremists that kill both rogues and agents

[torn shoal]

not at first

thats my point

[wild crag]

Whatever they were to begin with is irrelevant now

We’re talking about their power as a faction

[torn shoal]

yes its relevant, thats their motivation

otherwise they wouldnt have allegiance with sokolova

thats why jhonson called us rogue

cause their mission didnt change

for them, we are all rogues now

[wild crag]

My argument is that the hunters are too few in number and despite their skills are unable to engage in open combat with the division

Hence all the shadowy ninja antics

[torn shoal]

yes, i know, and i explained to you it doesnt work, cause we are also too few in number vs every other faction, yet we still win

hunters also win most of the time, same way we win vs high number of enemies

cause hunters got better tech, and counter us

same way we got better tech than bt

[wild crag]

every encounter means we adapt to hunters more

Every tech gimmick can be studied and countered

[torn shoal]

why do you think they dont adapt too ?

[wild crag]

They do

[torn shoal]

then they will keep a edge over us

[wild crag]

I’m just saying with how they operate they’re ultimately doomed as a faction

[torn shoal]

why ?

they got bt support

[wild crag]

Faction alliances tend to be extremely fragile and my point still stands that their numbers are extremely small

[torn shoal]

they arent allied with bt, they obey directly to cal, which is bt

bt is allied with true sons, but hunters arent allied at all, they are completely under their orders

[wild crag]

Any group that small that barely recruits and engages in combat with other armed forces will eventually be wiped out

No matter how much support they have from BT a bullet is still a bullet

[torn shoal]

why would agents be any different ? we dont recruits, we dont have the number, and we engage with basically every faction ?

thats my point, you apply to hunters a different logic than agents, despite having arguments that work for both

[wild crag]

Agents are the same way

[torn shoal]

then why do you think they can win ?

[wild crag]

Agents get killed like every five seconds in the lore

[sick lantern]

considering the Hunters’ recruitment base I’d say that’s impossible
unless they’re like the Continental in John Wick and the secret is known to more than it isn’t

[torn shoal]

so, why would they win vs any other faction ?

they dont have the numbers at all

[wild crag]

Realistically, because it’s the player faction

Lore wise, nationwide network of agents and a more solid support group

[torn shoal]

yeah, but plot armor isnt really a good reason xd

[wild crag]

Well I mean what else can I say lol

Unless they give us the option to go rogue or be a hunter I think the division will hold out to the end

[torn shoal]

i was just saying you apply different logic for groups that have the same things about them, im not trying to make you feel bad x)

cause if we go plot armor way, hunters can magically become way more important if the devs decide that

anything is fair game at this point

[wild crag]

The same logic applies to the division I was just saying that the hunters aren’t superhuman

They’re just as killable as we are

[torn shoal]

i mean, i dont use 10 clips to kill a rogue agent unlike hunters xd

but yeah

[wild crag]

And every skinny little hyena dude takes like 12 shots of 5.56 before going down

Just how the game is

[sick lantern]

They kinda are though ngl…

[torn shoal]

yep

some bosses are immune sometimes tho

[wild crag]

They’re certainly very theatrical

[torn shoal]

like wyvern or boomer

[sick lantern]

I’ll just say
it starts with n and ends with anomachines

Hunters are more resilient than the average human

and have op armour

[wild crag]

In terms of game logic yeah

But in terms of lore they’re still just people that are very skilled

[sick lantern]

No I’m not even joking. All of what I just said is true “in terms of lore”

[torn shoal]

no, they are also heavy armored + their tech directly counters you

the mask they wear is a baslistic mask, its made to deflect bullets

its super expensive/rare

[wild crag]

Well let’s see if their special technology and skills can win an argument with a .50 cal bullet to the head lol

Get out there and smoke some hunters fellas

[torn shoal]

cant win vs hunters if they see you first

ingame they go and fight 1v1, in lore they would most likely oneshot you before you even notice something is off

[wild crag]

You keep hyping them up like that and your watch is gonna turn red lmao

[torn shoal]

jokes on you im colorblind (ingame)

[wicked gorge]

Don’t get me wrong, I know Keeners a bad guy but it still funny to make you angry so Keener never made eclipse and he’s always been the good guy, you’re just insane

[waxen sonnet]

If.This.Filter.Didn't.Exist.Kettle.Would.Have.To.Ban.Me

[wicked gorge]

Love you buddy : D

[wicked gorge]

But all seriousness, you ain’t happy Keener is mourning a families loss he saved?

[waxen sonnet]

The way I see it, Keener's just upset one of his pet projects has failed, It's just him unbset he's realised yet again having the complex that he does doesnt actually make him as all powerful as he wants to portray

[wicked gorge]

How do you see it as a pet project

[waxen sonnet]

It's his one thing he's done early on during his Rogue Period that's actually changed his plan and behaviour, even he couldn't justify it to Hornet

I Think he's mostly upset he failed after putting effort into being a "good guy" once, probably because now less people will hear from them how he's actually been a "good" person

[wicked gorge]

Could be a mix of both

[gaunt ice]

kinda falls flat on itself when he murdered like 50 other families with eclipse

his plan would have also kill everyone in haven or people still stuck in manhattan(yknow the BOMB MIDDLE MANHATTAN WITH A WARHEAD plan)

why dont you feel bad for the mass murdering terrorist:((((

did you feel remorse for any of the people you murdered before?did they deserve it?

that audio log just makes him more of a narcissist if anything
the hundreds of people he has killed and lives ruined didn't matter except for the one he saved to live out my hero fantasy, thats when he felt bad about it

this is just gonna go on until the writers actually addresses whatever happened in wony
which i am 100% sure they're gonna either ignore it or wash it all away, maybe there were never any missiles or the entire island is a massive descent like simulation

this current version of Keener only works if you ignore wony as a whole and build him off from his div1 version where he did bad stuff but still ambiguous about his endgame

i doubt anyone living in his little settlement ran by rogue agents in NYC or something knew about the crimes he did
the JTF in NYC fell apart because of his little stunt

this has been your weekly reminder that Keener is an irredeemable hypocrite narcissist sack of shit

[glad spruce]

Ok

[gaunt ice]

everytime someone criticizes your lord the only response you have is "Ok"

[ashen jungle]

Chairs', chill.

[sick lantern]

i wouldn’t say it was ambiguous tbh
“imma run away and start a new outbreak, and control access to viral cures too”

also there’s- i think one of the west side piers ones- a recording from him saying something along the lines of, it’s easy to kill, when you dehumanise the people you’re killing
“killing is easy… notice i didn’t say killing people is easy”

keener is just a sociopathic narcissist

[gaunt ice]

i mean its implied so but if it was developed from that it could play out in different ways

[sick lantern]

there’s the recording of him talking to an LMB soldier about it
“don’t you think there’s enough virus going around?”
“you just don’t see le bigger picture….”

[gaunt ice]

fair nuf

i got like 80% of the div1 comms

[waxen sonnet]

Two hours notice to the Division twitch stream regarding the New event and season 2.0

[glad spruce]

You got it, captain

I would say cap, but I know its used to refer to as BS in internet language

[waxen sonnet]

@glad spruce @wicked gorge @gaunt ice @sick lantern Sorry for the ping gents, 10 minutes for the livestream over on twitch if you dont already have the event notification here, stream's up and watchable, countdowns live

[gaunt ice]

thanks for the heads up

[glad spruce]

I'm not gonna read the chat

[torn shoal]

who read chat tho

[glad spruce]

Masochists

[torn shoal]

fair enough

[wicked gorge]

@waxen sonnet Tell me how it goes, im preparing for thanksgiving

[waxen sonnet]

All those years of people looking for the "Hidden Hunter" and it turns out they didnt even add him they forgot to remove the peg

[glad spruce]

Years? I thoght it started in Y5S3

[wicked gorge]

So who’s excited for Black Friday 👀 I know Barsetto is

[waxen sonnet]

NOBODY GO TO A STORE IN NEW YORK ON BLACK FRIDAY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

[wicked gorge]

But there’s a Xbox with a 25 dollars discount, I’d say the reward outweighs the risk

[sudden mortar]

As someone who doesn't live in NY, I see this as a win.

[near totem]

Is the Div universe and R6S universe connected?

[waxen sonnet]

Nope,

Both are classed as Standalone seperate works in there own respective timelines

[wicked gorge]

If you wanna be technical, r6 could be a game in the division

[opaque glen]

Do you think the sheriff is the agent that handled all of the ops in dc, canonically?

Like if someone wrote the book of division 2's specific events would there be more than 2 agents handling everything that goes down, or just the sheriff and Kelso?

[gaunt ice]

so wait,why did Keener and co pulled that crate out to bumfuck nowhere in tanker

[opaque glen]

to ensure that the player agent brought keener's watch to a place where they wouldn't be interrupted that was also relatively close to the brooklyn bridge so the rogue team could escape easily

[waxen sonnet]

Interesting question, I like this.

I think it's best to say that multiple agent's are operating in DC, Canonically we know when the SHD Network went down, Agents received the standing order to respond to Washington, we know we, along with multiple other Agent's such as Sanders did so, and carried out other taskings such as The Pentagon mission's reconnaissance.

Certain taskings such as Tidal Basin, the raid's and Incursion definitely seem to be a suggestion that 4 DC Agent's carry it out.

Canonically I would say the JTF Could just use the Sheriff title more like a codename or Radio handle for SHD Agents assigned to DC As a whole if need be

[sick lantern]

well Johnson was supposedly in DC at the same time as the player character and it’s not like he showed up in any missions so i would say yes canonically one agent did most if not all of the base game

[late void]

For all we know other agents could be doing all sorts of other missions we never learn about (unless they go wrong and we get called in to help)

Maybe even far more serious and critical ones than those we do

[wild crag]

There are other agents in side missions and classified assignments

So there’s not a lot of “canon” agents but there’s a few

[sudden mortar]

Not to mention the confirmed KIA agents like the ones from federal emergency bunker, agent Barker, agent Edwards, agent Espinoza and others.

[wild crag]

Yup

[torn shoal]

Agents still alive arent named, cause youre supposed to be à shadow army, sleeper agents, not the one guy that go in guns blazing and save the day rambo like

That way anyone playing can identify with that

[sick lantern]

if they were so important, one would think you might hear about them

[sick lantern]

and their absence from most of the base game missions and etc is what i was referring to

[wild crag]

The division is stretched very thin so Manny can rarely have two in the same mission

I get what you mean though it annoys me too

I do wish that there were more agent characters

[ashen jungle]

@steady shore This channel is for discussing the lore of div2.

[fast wharf]

Talking about lore

Would hunters be secret service agents

Who were good until the quarantine

[ashen jungle]

Nope.

[fast wharf]

So they were secretly invented

And hided until it hit the fan

[steady shore]

sry

[gaunt ice]

i think its more of a failure to communicate with players about there being multiple agents
reasonably speaking there should be more agents running around doing minor stuff,hence we dont have to clear everywhere house by house

kinda like div1, like the only time we see other agents in it are when they're getting dunked lmao

[wild crag]

They are homeland security agents

[waxen sonnet]

Division Agent's aren't homeland security per say, the department of Homeland Security and Calvin McManus at its head created the SHD, When the Division was activated the organisation became fully autonomous.

Hunter's are SHD Agents,not Homeland Security, they are SHD Agents loyal to McManus's causes, and consider the Sheriff and their Allies as Rogue Agents

[torn shoal]

yes thats their goal, hide until agents step out of line/go rogue, then take care of them

they are supposed to be a safety mesure

cause agents were deemed too much of a liability

[gaunt ice]

thats only the excuse

the real deal is that they're just goons for McManus, doing his bidding

[glad spruce]

Thank goodness the weekly reset is on Tuesday, cuz if it was on Sunday like this week, I wouldn't be able to get the Manhunt/Descent comm asap

[torn shoal]

hawkster not getting my descent comm ? not on my watch

(my shd watch)

(i make good jokes plz laugh)

[sleek plover]

Hunters are hunters who hunt those who are hunted by the hunters who are hunters who hunt those who are hunted by the hunters who are hunters who hunt those who are hunted by the hunters who...

[glad spruce]

Uh-huh

[sweet crypt]

The Hunter know where it is, because the Hunter knows where it isn't...

[fast wharf]

So they're actually a failsafe?

[torn shoal]

they were intended to be yes

obviously their use went very different

cal saw that the failsafe was VERY obedient and very strong, so he decided that why not use them to his advantage

[wicked gorge]

They’re basically the failsafe to the failsafe

Which is curious cause what’s the failsafe to the failsafe for the original failsafe

[torn shoal]

dont need another one if you dont plan on using the first

there is only so much layer of security needed to make something work

it comes a moment where you need to work on your exiting failsafes and not get another one instead

[fast wharf]

Proceeds to lose his best agent to the failsafe

[torn shoal]

i mean, you cant ask too much of them, brains arent required to get recruted in homeland xd

[sudden mortar]

Not even MC Manus need one

[torn shoal]

in div lore, im not even sure its required to live xd

[glad spruce]

Here's the thing, The Division weren't supposed to be activated in the first place, thus it could be argued they were underprepared during the outbreak

[torn shoal]

they were in fact, thats why first wave went missing/rogue/kia

[sweet crypt]

Anytime something is implemented for the first time it rarely goes well.

[wicked gorge]

The division is just one big social experiment

[torn shoal]

depends heavily on the motivations/who's doing it

an expert on a subject, doing something for good reasons usually goes way better than some greedy dude doing stuff for its own benefit

[sick lantern]

technically no form of disaster response is ever “supposed” to be needed

commence operation dark winter
deduce the us’ readiness to a large scale bioterror attack is insufficient
create nspd51 and the shd in response to the findings
sink hundreds of millions into building secret facilities, advanced technologies and a support network across the nation
”actually, we don’t need this lmao”
die a slow painful death of dollar flu

by the same logic the ability to respond to a nuclear strike is never supposed to be needed, and yet

[waxen sonnet]

Saw a quote last night that is suspiciously apt for the current game events:
"In order to rise From its own ashes A phoenix First Must Burn." - Octavia Butler.

[gaunt ice]

imagine if they reveal that Mcdonalds intentionally rigged the division to fail

literally recruiting psychopaths n incompetent people, so when the incompetent dies and the psychos go rampant they have a justified reason to use Hunters

[sick lantern]

i think that’s the vague implication rn and people have extrapolated “never meant to be activated” from that
unless they say it in descent comms ofc i don’t remember all of those

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stiff sparrow]

How is it that in Warlords of New York, the LMB was the only faction that was nowhere to be seen? We saw the cleaners, the Rikers, and even the Rioters (scavengers) and we didn’t even get an apparel event with LMB outfits.

[ashen jungle]

LMB disbanded after their boss kicked the bucket.

Some joined BT, most I assume just kinda filtered out.

[sick lantern]

@stiff sparrow

[gaunt ice]

i think its implied that the LMBs that joined JTF has died at Wall Street in that trailer cuz they were straight up never brought up again

LMB would 100% mop up the Rikers n Cleaners save for their bosses

[waxen sonnet]

I would look it up but I'm out the door in ten minutes for a driving lesson but I'm pretty sure the only information in the Division 2 about LMB is with the loss of Bliss the faction splintered, "moving on to the next PMC to offer a warm meal" I think Keener says about it to hornet during the namesakes manhunt

[gaunt ice]

you’d think that the Peacekeepers would be more well trained if those LMB sticked around but eh they all died

[waxen sonnet]

For a civil militia against the other faction they hold there own well enough, even by creating and holding Haven as long as they have

[sweet crypt]

I always took it that the group Dragov was fighting in the audio logs was the remaining LMB probably low on supplies and people, they pretty much wiped them out.

[gaunt ice]

they had a Division drone supporting them there so im inclined to believe they were JTF members at that time

shit even glows orange so no its not rogue tech

[waxen sonnet]

Is this in that animated trailer?

[sudden mortar]

and btw is weird how lau says on the radio that they need backup from DC but Kelso was already there with the other two SHD agents in the end of the trailer.

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yeah, around 0:21 https://youtu.be/6yZVmNQXob4?si=BmT6u_A6Tqr0u8X2&t=21

[waxen sonnet]

Thank you ANNA.

[gaunt ice]

yea if you watch slightly past that you can see the LMB uniforms with JTF painted on them so they sorta reformed ig

[waxen sonnet]

I might be a pessimist but i'd just say thats the JTF Stealing and repurposing now salvaged LMB Equipment because it was better than there JTF Standard

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Yeah sure they were even like:
JTF soldier 1: let's even copy the LMB 3D design of the rusher and assault so we can look like a green LMB!
JTF soldier 2: what?

[wild crag]

Fellas aren’t we technically rogue agents at this point

[merry python]

Always have been

[sick lantern]

No

[gaunt ice]

thats something a black tusk supporter would say

[wild crag]

I’m just saying since President Ellis switched teams and started working with black tusk that means officially the government is working with them

And we’re fighting black tusk/the president (earlier at least)

And since the goal of SHD is the continuation of government in a disaster and we are now working against said government, we are by definition rogue are we not

Doesn’t mean we’re evil like the other rogues

Just that we’re rogue by definition

[sick lantern]

no because Ellis is a traitor to the nation collaborating with a (Russian backed) hostile force

was* , rather

[wild crag]

That is true, but he was still the president

Therefore by fighting him we are going against the mission

I’m not saying we should have followed his orders or anything

I’m arguing technicalities here

[torn shoal]

yes, thats the problem

but people dont wanna talk about legal stuff here, they just say "president bad"

but we were indeed working against the president who was still in charge at that time

thats why isaac didnt give the order to kill, but just arrest

isaac doesnt have the authority to kill president

thats why faye did it, as rogue

but now that ellis is dead, its supposed to be the next one in line, but im pretty sure there is nobody left

you can see all of this in the recruiter manhunt

and why he think he is in the right cause the law is on his side

even if that mean being a bad person morally

[sick lantern]

impeachment exists, the president isn’t immune to legal action

[sick lantern]

“technically” he never ordered the SHD to stand down, work with the BT, or not to arrest him

so

I’m fairly confident in saying that the SHD don’t have to always follow orders from the acting president and are prepared for the possibility of the acting president being corrupt

[gaunt ice]

he doesn’t have power over SHD

thats an indication that he’s a fraud because SHD specifically only answers to the president

this is like the whole thing with Division

they’re autonomous, have absolute power over almost every authority that isn’t the president

Ellis would’ve told us to stand down or turned everyone rogue but he wont

because he cant

Lyfe is just spreading misinformation as usual

this also extends to McManus because he’s sure as hell not next in line for succession

the entire thing with ISAC is that he’s incredibly binary, black n white sorta with no nuance or grey zone.
if he says we’re not rogue we simply aren’t, McManus and his Hunter goons are just traitors now

also btw the President’s immunity is stripped if there’s sufficient proof that he did infact commit treason so no technicality loopholes

[torn shoal]

i love how people make stuff up and then say i spread misinfo xd

ellis was president, just cause you didnt like that doesnt make him less president

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why didn’t he order Division to stand down then?

[torn shoal]

he had the entire power over agents

[gaunt ice]

he really doesn’t
if he could then he would have used it

[torn shoal]

he decided they were not to side with and sided with bt

thats not complicated

just cause he didnt do something doesnt mean he cant

[gaunt ice]

so he’s a complete idiot that decided to give up his legitimacy

[torn shoal]

president arent supposed to be traitors, yet here we are

[gaunt ice]

literally sides with a foreign invading force