division-universe

[sudden mortar]

Maybe it is, Keener was providing SHD tech while working with the LMB but iirc one of the division comic books mention that BT also was supplying the LMB in NY, and BT also can modify and manipulate SHD tech. So if you think about it, BT can provide SHD to the LMB if they want to.

[sick lantern]

the black tusk supplied the LMB remnants- not with SHD tech but with normal weapons such as Carl Gustafs, same as with the Hyenas- in the Extremis Malis comic which takes place after Div 1.

[sick lantern]

also, that the rogue agents in div 1 have the ability to hack SHD tech shows that they are SHD agents with an innate understanding of the tech, not just LMB soldiers
also the BT don't have just a huge stockpile of SHD tech especially by the time of div 1, it's just that their own tech (warhounds, powered armour etc) runs on DIAMOND and is designed the same as SHD tech. you need some sort of agent status/authorisation to use SHD tech (see: Bonney, Johnson from PL, both times Hunters were involved with supplying SHD tech not the BT)

[cold bramble]

who else lowkey wants to join the hyenas?

[late canyon]

can anyone help me in D1

[cold bramble]

get with a hyena baddie and go tag around the city

[late canyon]

I just started id

is there a team I can join

[glad spruce]

First off, get a role. You'll find it in id:customize

Second, this is the lore/story channel.

[ashen jungle]

@late canyon This is the 2nd time you've been told where to post, no more warnings.

[glad spruce]

No thanks. I'd prefer to join civilian militia.

[cold bramble]

maybe just for a week without the risk of dying. Spend a week with some female hyena baddie. You get to try spice and do some graffiti tagging. Smash her at a hyena hideout.. im getting off track. really just spending a not violent week with a hyena is what i shoulda said lol

[loud pilot]

How do I get lore bites from other seasons like the season we kill the recruiter I did all the missions collected all the side audio logs and main ones but am still missing like 5 or so do I just need to run the final mission back a couple times or smthing

[pale niche]

Yeah run the final mission a few times

[sleek plover]

I want to form my own tbh.
Gonna go full war crime-Vlad Tepes Stake-gorefest against Black Tusks, True Sons, Ex-LMB.

But tbf alongside rikers, hyenas are one of more agreeable baddies in the universe, besides I like their gasmask+green fume look.

[cold bramble]

theres something about female hyena members... and thats why i picked that group lol

rikers are a fun bunch too

[sleek plover]

Exactly.

But the guys I sympathize the most are outcasts and rioters.

[cold bramble]

true

[sleek plover]

The reason why started the game in the first place was because I read about LMB and I really hated them

The same goes to True Sons and Black Tusks

[cold bramble]

Mm so you dont like the military groups. i see

[sick lantern]

🤨

[sleek plover]

Well being an antifa irl did help in that decision.

I still think rikers and hyenas are bad and evil enough, just think they are less of a threat.

I also kinda hate cleaners too.

But also remember, one of the early missions did had an repentant female hyena turncoat helping you out

But truth to be told, I wouldnt mind if outcasts took control of entirity of America and make Green poison infection a requirement for citizenship

[cold bramble]

dont judge me you know the hyena baton chicks would be wild

[sick lantern]

i hope you get headshot by a warhound from 750 metres

(disclaimer: joke)

[cold bramble]

long time since i played the early game what mission was that

[glad spruce]

It was actually a True Sons turncoat.

In the story version of American Air and Space Museum mission, a True Sons sniper kills one of her own and opens the door for you as she doesn't want anything to do with the faction's plans of retrofitting the missiles in the museum for their war crimes.

[cold bramble]

Mm

no mission with a hyena baddie helping out then huh? I swear there is a mission where one helps you now that im thinking about it... maybe im getting it confused with air and space museum like you said

[glad spruce]

You must be referring to Bank Headquarters cuz an off-screen Hyena informant does help The Division by informing us of a keycard that one of the bigshots had in order to access the bank vault and find info about Air Force One.

But thanks to Roach blabbing his mouth, we do find out about President Ellis earlier than expected.

[cold bramble]

hmm that must be it

do you think they're ever going to make missions for the rest of the hyena council? Zodiac and Mayhem are the only two left

[glad spruce]

I dunno, maybe. It's clear the current story is focused on allying with Keener and putting a stop to Natalya Sokolova and her Black Tusk. But then again, we did get some flavor text from some Hyena council members in named items like Thorn/Eagle's Grasp and Overlord Exotic Shotgun in this season

Maybe we get an Incursion where we deal with Zodiac and Mayhem and close off a loose end.

Either way, without Black Tusk supplying them, they're pretty much goners unless they adapt

[cold bramble]

true true. I wanna see mayhem but those two might just be a loose end if the story is focusing on the big bad now. Maybe in a wild turn of events mayhem and zodiac defect to us and help in other ways?

[glad spruce]

Maybe. But given the Hyenas and their ideology, I doubt the two would even entertain the idea of allying with The Division unless they were truly desperate.

[cold bramble]

thats fair

[restive phoenix]

It would probably be an enemy of my enemy kind of deal if their backs were up against the wall and would most likely immediately resume fighting us after the black tusk are out of the equation

[sick lantern]

and get their arses kicked, again, this time even harder with no black tusk backing

have the Hyenas been relevant ever since DUA

[woven plover]

No one of the early missions has a turncoat true sons

[wicked gorge]

Anyone else feel like the Hyenas and Rikers would just be chill with each other and share their drugs

[cold bramble]

yes

[fast wharf]

I mean they both hate the govermment

[sudden mortar]

And in a destroyed world where you gotta worry about pmcs and other paramilitary factions, I think two gangs being friendly with each other would be the best option.

[hardy oar]

No way. A turf war between them is most likely to happen

[sick lantern]

yea

they’d be competing for resources, territory, people
just sitting and letting their rival criminals exist would be a blow to their respect

[sleek plover]

But rhem forming an east-cost wide syndicate would still be an interesting choice tho

[glad spruce]

id:customize Click the Division 1 role and you'll see it

[glad spruce]

And next time, pay attention to which channel you're asking on

[sand spindle]

The Division Resurgence never did put out a Fan Kit yet, did they?

[waxen sonnet]

Nope, bearing in mind its still in CBA at this time anyway so news is very slow on it at the best of time

[glad spruce]

I'll be surprised if they manage to release it. After all, Ubi did cancel Heartland willy-nilly

Which reminds me, I should get myself ready for the next Descent comm on Tuesday

[sick lantern]

try finger
but hole

[waxen sonnet]

You're in the channel for talking about the game story, you want #unofficial-troubleshooting mate.

[glad spruce]

You'd think people would pay attention and look at what the channel is about

[muted rune]

@glad spruce not very friendly 😒

[wicked gorge]

What gave that away

[urban musk]

is there a lore reason as to why the SHD glasses from the div 1 weren't brought back in the div 2? is ubisoft stoopid?

No but seriously, the glasses were baller, and I used them cause my agent couldn't use eye contacts for a hud, so he used the glasses instead, ubisoft bring them back!

[wicked gorge]

I guess the Isac lenses are basically our new sunglasses, except invisible and already in our eyes

[sick lantern]

what glasses?

[glad spruce]

I think he's confusing them for contact lenses

[ashen jungle]

For those confused: https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Smart_Watch#Scantek_Lens
We've had these since div1.

In case you ever wondered why an electric/emp shock takes out a trained SHD Agent, now you know why.

[urban musk]

The oakleys with "SHD" labeled on them.

they're in the division 1.

you gotta go to the mirror in the terminal restroom and select them in the accessories menu. (Div 1 didn't have on the go equippable sunglasses).

[sick lantern]

right
well you are literally the first person i’ve ever seen mention those so gj

i did not know

[wicked gorge]

I find it funny McManus technically had a RGB watch

[glad spruce]

I'm still convinced he had it changed for his ego even when the comms say otherwise

[ashen jungle]

The reason for that might be because the Mirror was only added a year+ post launch, before that we were stuck with the cosmetics that we picked at character creation.

there used to be a running joke about how SHD Agents all had sunglasses glued to their face.

[glad spruce]

By this Tuesday, we should be 2 weeks away from Leto trial

For those who wanna learn about Leto in Greek Mythology:
https://mythopedia.com/topics/leto

[true fox]

Does anyone have a technical theory of how difficult it would be to place sub-targets for seasons in legacy?

[wicked gorge]

Does that count as a lore question?

[ashen jungle]

If we take it as a lore question, it does sound a bit like they're asking for extra people to murder mid-season.

[glad spruce]

Probably not a lore question, but I still think legacy manhunts should expand into having sub-targets. Just playing the Climax mission don't give context

[wicked gorge]

I think you ask that in the issues chat or Hawkster is gonna be mean

[broken mist]

Joe Ferro was based as hell.

[glad spruce]

Maybe if his Cleaners weren't burning anyone they suspect of Green Poison

I'd agree if they focused on burning dead bodies so they don't cause diseases once they start to rot

[wicked gorge]

Cleaners started off with good intentions but the saying “the path to hell is paved with good intentions”. If only they used their concentrated frozen oj for good

[sleek plover]

Cleaners are just as worse tyrants as the LMB.

At least rikers are classic bandits

[glad spruce]

This week in Descent comms. Log 59 titled Next Gen.

||In this comm, Kevin Park presents an upgraded version of LINC to Mathias 'Trig' Schneider. The upgrades involve a stable network interface, more robust design, fixed bugs, less crashes, improved hardware and battery life, and added customization options to the screen.||

||Trig is impressed, though he wants a full demonstration of LINC's capabilities, the technical schematics, review the code. Given that Park needs funding for his project, he needs to present his prototype and documentations of LINC so Trig can bring the relevant people and get Park's project funded. Kevin sasses Trig by asking him if he'll bring Claire||

[glad spruce]

I sure hope the guy with Hitman pfp doesn't throw a tantrum just because Trig is featured again in Descent comms, which they took place months or even years before the outbreak

[strange rock]

what would I? I'm just confused on why they're focusing on him || we'll see where the story goes but I dunno if all this backstory is worth it when there's other characters alive like Birdie ||

[glad spruce]

He used to work as a consultant in DARPA.

||Also, I won't say when, but Birdie does feature in this season's set of Descent comms||

[gaunt ice]

yea they’re just trying to make up for the fact that they made a shitload of 1 off fodders as manhunt subtargets rn

its better than inventing new characters to lore dump again but still

watch the kneepad mudshield guy come out as a super secret SOCOM CIA Black Ops Tier 1 Hunter Undercover bs something

lore dumping on why warhounds have weakpoints

oh wow obscure underdeveloped 1 dimensional manhunt subtarget

what will you tell us about this week

[cold bramble]

Apologies of this is a dumb question but what is linc? Is it a system related to the ai’s?

[glad spruce]

It's an AI that acts as an automated communications tool to allow communications in case the communication devices suffer an EMP attack, a solar storm, or someone attacks the system.

Last week's comm has Kevin Park pitching his concept to Trig.

Oh, and it's not a crime that some of the last few , current and future story stuff expands into past characters and events

Here:
https://youtu.be/fOfwzPCJv_U?si=SsDZrRt_Yr8DYQa-

@cold bramble

[cold bramble]

Ahh that’s cool

I’ll give it a watch soon. Thank you

[sick lantern]

current characters like general anderson

[glad spruce]

Screw Anderson. He's a weasel

I freaking hate Ridgeway, but at least he had strong convictions

[strange rock]

Well given the implications of the recruiter climax mission she should probably feature a bit more than a || dead target from 4-5 seasons ago ||
Story is given in drips and they keep adding new characters expecting players to remember after years.

But hey they expect us to believe ||we just let our main menace's body rot because ISAC said so ||

[glad spruce]

I'd argue the characters we rescued in Y5S1/Y5S2 aren't exactly new (Save for Birdie Malik). But then again, they're mostly well known in side-missions and classified assignments, so I'd expect players to forget about em.

[wicked gorge]

Remember the most important feature is screen customization, nothing else matters

[glad spruce]

I'm more interested in LINC, cuz if it can allow ISAC/ANNA to work on pre-existing communication infrastructure, we could do something against Black Tusk's ECM

[wicked gorge]

Y’all think with enough coding knowledge that a agent can broadcast a movie through their shd lenses

[remote tree]

Yes

picture-in-picture mode too

[gaunt ice]

nah let them marinate

when the writers get desperate enough and wrote themselves into a corner again they’ll come back to the forefront

Schaeffer will soon wake up :copium:

also remember how black tusk never even tried to take back the pentagon even though no one is protecting it

[glad spruce]

Man, you're so obnoxious

[gaunt ice]

theres a ying and a yang

for a glazer there must be a hater out there

[cold bramble]

Yeah what even happened with the pentagon since that dlc?

[ashen jungle]

It's actually "yin and yang".

Also I think you're thinking of "glazier" for glass. A glazer is related to pottery.

[gaunt ice]

i meant glazer in the more uh

genz term

i swear its ying with a g

its not i just forgot :p

[gaunt ice]

nothing essentially

we pushed the black tusk out and took the bioreactor

(that resulted in nothing btw they never mentioned the virus or a cure after that or the virologist)

[ashen jungle]

Nope, it's one of those mandella things. Yin and Yang.
I have no idea what the genz term "glazer" means, but if it's NSFW let's just leave it there.

[ashen jungle]

BT took the stuff back when they broke into the White House during the guy with the flat-top manhunt who was already dead, the Sparklez boss.

[gaunt ice]

yea my point

[ashen jungle]

the guy who looked like he was on the front cover of a C grade 80's action movie. Whatshisname.

[glad spruce]

Stovepipe

[ashen jungle]

Well no wonder he didn't last with a name like that.

[gaunt ice]

Nat killed him for uhhh something

[glad spruce]

They also kidnapped Tchernenko during the attack

[ashen jungle]

"Hi I'm Mr Hat". Doesn't exactly strike fear into your heart.

[gaunt ice]

iirc he questioned her about the uhhh dirty bomb something

[glad spruce]

She killed him because he got angry for lying to him about the dirty bombs and not being compliant

[gaunt ice]

i still dont get that part,they seem to be alluding to one of the books where they had a dirty bomb go off but then went back i nthe last minute and said "nuh uh its all fake"

[ashen jungle]

I was under the impression that he died because he was useless to Sokolova and yeah the lying thing.
and also him being dead meant that we would take longer to find him than if he was alive, he was a distraction.

remember the only reason they were able to take the BoO was that we weren't there.

BT cleverly went in at an off-peak time and no one was milling about the chopper.

[glad spruce]

That's the point. She used the dirty bombs to distract the Division while Black Tusk attacked the White House

[gaunt ice]

sounded right enough

crazy to think its like 2 years now

[glad spruce]

Funny enough. All the events in Season 11 and Year 5 happened over the course of a week in-game wise.

Our agent was very busy

[sick lantern]

also in that season it got brought up that the BT were working with the Roamers
and nothing has since come of it, neither in game nor in the Hunted novel which features the BT

[gaunt ice]

soon

[sick lantern]

™️

[glad spruce]

Okay, why do you care?

[sick lantern]

because loose plot threads with no sign of answers and an unchanging status quo make for a disinteresting story

[sick lantern]

again, asking me why I care about the plot in a franchise I like.

very puzzling.

oh wait no it’s not.

[glad spruce]

I just don't see why we should care about the Roamers right now when we have bigger problems right now

[sick lantern]

ok then in diegetic terms
the faction capable of supplying the BT with infrastructure to project their influence across the nation

for all we know they’re ferrying BT soldiers to military sites, settlements to “protect”, even the Cores

also that the Roamers have some sort of “mothership” that wasn’t seen in Recruited

(how does that work on land?)

[hardy oar]

What's LINC? A new AI?

[fringe gale]

orignally from Heartland, i can barely remember but i think it was essentially a new piece of SHD tech that character's had on their shoulders, similar to the ISAC brick

but i cannot remember what it actually did

[glad spruce]

I'd imagine given the NDA, anyone who played the closed beta can't say what it does

[cold bramble]

Are we likely to see heartlands story roll into the division 2 at all?

[glad spruce]

We don't know

[glad spruce]

But given what we were given in Descent comms so far, some of the story beats from Heartland sure as heck are being teased or at least being given a spotlight

[glad spruce]

Here's what we do know so far about Heartland's story elements that were featured in Descent comms this season.

• We learned about Silver Creek and the dire state it was in.
• We learned about a team of 4 Division agents who were working on antivirals in a local lab for DCD. They were infected by Green Poison, though they were killed by unknown hostiles.
• We learned about the LINC AI system that was pitched and worked on by Kevin Park.

[wicked gorge]

So from the lore and perspective of all the enemy factions, what y’all think is the best made faction

[glad spruce]

Black Tusk

Black Tusk. I know, I know, Chairs likes to dunk them every so often.

But I like Black Tusk's drip

[wicked gorge]

The problem wit Black Tusk for me is their too cliche as a Ubisoft villain

Cleaners are my personal favorite

[glad spruce]

In that case, I do like Rikers. Their voice lines are freaking hilarious

[urban musk]

Nah if we're talking about drip, we gotta mention the true sons boi.

[glad spruce]

True Sons also have good drip.

I wish I could get pics of Colonel Morozova's uniform

[urban musk]

nah ridgeways uniform is MINE!

[sudden mortar]

I can imagine Cal at NSA like:
Cal: I need some uniform for my operators, what should I do?
Trainee: I got an idea Boss!
Cal: Say it
Trainee: bulletproof hockey mask, tomahawk and broken SHD watches.
Cal: Loved it, come work at the NSA

[gaunt ice]

a bulletproof hockey mash would just not work

imagine being hit with a baseball bat

but the impact point is way smaller

also good luck seeing shit outta that mask

but hey at least it looks cool ig

[glad spruce]

Maybe that's why Hunters use Ballistic Masks

[gaunt ice]

would still not actually protect you from a direct shot in the face

[sudden mortar]

Yeah, I think it would be like those videos that people test vests with .50 caliber, wouldn't be the bullet that kills you but the force from the bullet on impact.

[gaunt ice]

ballistic masks are meant to protect you from shrapnel and small shotgun pellets

just a minor nitpick ik

[gaunt ice]

at least they can put you in 1 piece in the casket

most masks ive seen are half masks that cover the lower half of your face paired with a ballistic goggle

a full on ballistic mask would not work nor is it practical for what you want to use it for

so the "ballistic" in "ballistic mask" is just marketing

[sudden mortar]

Especially that the hunter gear makes no sense when we're talking about protection, like, they do not even use some kind of kevlar or something below their mask (except the recruiter mask). So if you hit the bullet on his ear or back of the head, well, the mask is kinda useless.

[gaunt ice]

fyi the Spetnaz's helmet(the one you see in PUBG) protects you from small caliber rounds

a rifle round and you'd still go down

[sudden mortar]

I think there's no protection that saves you from high caliber or high velocity bullets. That makes the determined on snipers realistic if you think about it

[gaunt ice]

pretty sure even Russia moved away from it

fun fact, helmets in ww1(or 2?) are actually more durable than modern day helmet

[sudden mortar]

Just like hammers, no wonder the heavy outcast doesn't use a modern hammer.

[gaunt ice]

some of them anyway

dont they use a sledgehammer?

this got me thinking

i watched a video about this some time back and modern day spec ops(you know the stealth op people) actually wear less armor than normal infantry because they prioritize mobility over protection

so to see a hunter wearing full armor with a bunch of gear and trinkets like SHD watches

those guys are hella stealthy

[sudden mortar]

That's like Sam Fisher being stealthy even when everyone can see three green dots in the dark

[gaunt ice]

yea didn't work out well with uh,whats the guy called

Deimos?

[sudden mortar]

You mean that rainbow six villain? I don't play R6 so idk

[gaunt ice]

yea i saw like 2 cinematics about r6s in like the last 5 years

people will say "muh ubisoft shits on Sam's legacy" but honestly i find that oddly satisfying for in universe characters to notice the bs

[sudden mortar]

I just searched it on YT, so he is the recruiter before the recruiter

[gaunt ice]

just this once ubisoft thats pretty cool

obviously the part where the master of stealth attacks his opponent infront of the mirror thing is still stupid but hey

but then again 80% of the people in the clancyverse has tunnel vision so eh

[gaunt ice]

i mean not really

[sudden mortar]

It is weird that the div1 and div2 barely make some splinter cell reference (or Sam's appearance like in Wildlands) except for the third echelon outfit but they were planning to add stealth on the division heartland.

[gaunt ice]

he looks like recruiter but ubisoft is hellbent on making the Division not relate to any of the other TC titles

like ghost recon is related to splinter cell which is also related to rainbow six

but division?nuh uh get back in the corner

[gaunt ice]

was that part under NDA cuz i never knew about it

personally stealth being a mechanic in heartland would not make sense since they wanted it to be an extraction shooter or some kind iirc

i can only imagine it ending up like AC origins where you'd literally stab a guy through the throat but he'd not die because your levels aren't high enough

just one more on the ballistic mask thing
https://youtu.be/ecqS88lE5dY?si=kvI4TlJj7S64EJlw
the one he used here looks exactly like the ones that hunters use lmao

it did NOT stop a 9mm lmao

and Johnson survived a mortar WITH his mask intact to drop an "ah shit" before dying

[glad spruce]

Good. He deserved it for being an arrogant turd

[gaunt ice]

well he definitely should’ve been shredded into a red blob on the ground

[waxen sonnet]

Johnson was built different, and by that, I mean immortal, I want that drone of his

[gaunt ice]

they hard coded his drone so even if you EMP him you cant shoot it lmao

bro got the Batman plot armor

[waxen sonnet]

I broke his pathfinding dragging him into the lodge and getting him stuck between two armchairs.

That worked

[sick lantern]

fwiw they do actually canonically have crazy ass nanomachine armour plates now

and considering they are there to kill division agents their stealth is probably mostly electronic deception

hence why ISAC can never warn you that they’re coming

[gaunt ice]

thats assuming they fight against someone that is just clueless cuz you’re gonna make lots of noise running around in thick armors and 20 watches strapped to a sling(thats just a tin can noisemaker)

[glad spruce]

Are we gonna argue about realism in a looter shooter game?

[rotund crag]

[Removed topic]

[late void]

You can just dodge back every time he pauses to take a swing at you, use a low power pistol to plink his armour off carefully (leave head and chest for last)

Backpack and chest are one piece of armour so you don't have to shoot him in the back

[rotund crag]

I'm using a marksman rifle with a scope from the distance.

Two of us tried pistols when my partner holding him in place. Basilisk died to many times for us to keep trying that.

[late void]

You could also check YouTube for the oxidiser cheese method

[rotund crag]

I'll check that out.

I got the pack on his right leg. Do I need to get the pack on his left leg too?

[late void]

Yep, both legs, both arms, helmet and chest

[gaunt ice]

its just random nitpicks that isn't meant to be a real criticism

like how that generic red dot sight that every single fps game made from cod4 until like 2018 is the crappy Chinese one

you know the one,a massive box with a single dot in the middle of the screen

[waxen sonnet]

Not the right channel but anyway, my tip of advice:
Use the Riot foam launcher to get him stuck, then use a weakish Pistol to plink away at his armour while guaranteeing any inadvertant shots with something more powerful wont kill him

[rotund crag]

@waxen sonnet What is the right channel? I didn't initially have a question?

[rotund crag]

@waxen sonnet Please tell me the right channel if you feel righteous enough to tell me I have the wrong channel.

[late void]

Probably #td2-general-chat, since this channel is used for lore discussions

[rotund crag]

Thanks for the feedback.

[waxen sonnet]

Theres nothing Righteous about it, dont kick off, I gave you advice despite this being the lore discussion section of the discord.

[gaunt ice]

istg people just dont read the name of the chat

[rotund crag]

@gaunt ice Sorry for not knowing "universe" = "lore". Is there a channel thesaurus somewhere?

[rotund crag]

Maybe righteous isn't the right word. I should have said pedant. You left me hanging there wondering where I should have gone. the_Kettle was kind enough to suggest a better channel. Thanks for the advice.

[gaunt ice]

you were already redirected to the “correct” channel already,no?

[rotund crag]

Yes, directed by a kind and sensitive member.

[gaunt ice]

ight cool

[sick lantern]

if only there was like, a description of what the channel is for next to the name
or maybe if one could read the messages and see what people are talking about and therefore deduce if it's the right channel or not

[rotund crag]

I agree. I admit that I didn't read enough of the posts here.

[waxen sonnet]

If the BTSU tech runs on systems that share similarities to ISAC (DIAMOND This is), is it possible if it were repaired, the BT Drone platform abandoned outside the WH Could be repurposed to run on ISAC To protect the BOO? 🤔

[glad spruce]

Its possible, but we'd need a professional coder to work through the system

[sudden mortar]

Or a mechanic since we almost blew the damn thing up

[wicked gorge]

You see that makes sense, but plot convenience

[waxen sonnet]

Clearly we'll just say it had the latest Window's update

[wicked gorge]

“Dammit who forgot to install a firewall on the Razorback”-Unknown overpaid BTSU engineer

[gaunt ice]

not that it should matters

if they’re testing it in their own base theres no need for protection we probably just off them before they can react lol

[sick lantern]

if Maira ever shows up in DC again I hope this is the first thing she does

[cold bramble]

Birdie maybe?

Does the division not have their own engineers for stuff like that?

[glad spruce]

Nah, Birdie is a technician who works on power solutions and such. She's the last person to be considered a coder

[cold bramble]

Oh lol

Btw gotta say. I love the descent comms. They are so interesting

[sudden mortar]

I though she was a coder because on the recruiter mission, she used the network countermeasures against us and the recruiter, and she took control of the BT mortars somehow.

[sick lantern]

i think ISAC was considered capable enough for most things as they weren’t planning on having to counteract SHD tech level technology
maybe the Cores and other support staff can offer long range tech support lol
but we have also seen that some agents such as Keener, Parnell and Maira are highly technologically proficient of their own accord

[cold bramble]

Ah true. And I’m guessing we are in no fit state to see any advancements or anything new with isac come any time soon?

[waxen sonnet]

I dont believe she actually created the countermeasures mind, so its more like she was pressing "Enter" on a keyboard to run the program, but didnt make it if that makes sense.

I Dont actually know who entirely made the countermeasure, I assume from what I read in Hunted it seems like Maira did, but I'll have to refer to the wisdom of @glad spruce to correct me if Im wrong on that

[glad spruce]

IIRC, Maira was used by Black Tusk to improve on their countermeasure, so I'm not entirely sure that she created it entirely

[sick lantern]

@verbal crater only a little bit

[glad spruce]

Was there some context that I missed?

[late void]

Reckon that 'hyena insider' who tipped us off about the president in the bank mission was actually BT?

[sick lantern]

#td1-general message

[glad spruce]

Its possible since Nat had Ellis stashed with the Hyenas.

[brave trench]

It's likely since "the insider" only told us they pulled "something" out of the AF1 wreckage and we were left to find out it was the president on our own accord. Like a little trail of bread crumbs...

[wicked gorge]

This Tuesday is the next set of trials correct?

[cold bramble]

I believe so

[glad spruce]

August 6th is when the next Trial happens, actually.

This Tuesday is just gonna be a new weekly Descent comm

[cold bramble]

The JTF in Division 1: 🗿
JTF in Division 2: 🤓 🤡

(They got downgraded to UCP pants and a brown tee shirt)

[glad spruce]

Eh, they were still useless in Div 1.

Civilian militia and Rogues are more my xroft

[urban musk]

They were more weak than useless, in the div 2 it take civilian militia too damn long to take down any enemies. in the div 1 you could have a squad of JTF National guardsman be equal to a decently high level LMB squad of riflemen. but in the div 2? they can't even take down rushers. but they can sure take the hits.

[glad spruce]

Okay

[urban musk]

it's one of my gripes, the JTF had all this armor and gear, but they were weak and can only go against one faction at a time and win, the civilian militia can go all out war with everyone, take every hit in the book, but can't even kill one freaking hyena rusher.

[glad spruce]

In any case, it shouldn't be long till Tuesday

Always my favorite day of the week

[gaunt ice]

they played actual roles in div1 not just fodders

its always “JTF scouts reporting”,or you breach with a strike team,etc,the very end of div1 had you attacking the UN building WITH a jtf strike team

it actually feels like a group effort

div2 jtf is effectively fodders

[sudden mortar]

I wonder where all those helmets and vests went

[gaunt ice]

all went into funding div2 duh

thats why the jtf use golf clubs and runs around with a t shirt

even Haven is more well armed

black tusk vs jtf is just hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[sudden mortar]

To be fair, some peacekeepers are ex-jtf so yeah.

[sick lantern]

and they had Chad Benitez to lead them
"We can handle them any day and twice on sunday" 🫡 damn right

manny is the beta to his sigma the energy is just not the same

[gaunt ice]

remember when Manny sent an entire unit through a chokepoint only for Gavelson to blow up the bridge

idk how they didn’t stop to think for a second that the bridge might have been rigged

[sudden mortar]

And the invaded version of that mission: other squads got wiped again

[gaunt ice]

“black tusk specializes in extraction”

[gaunt ice]

tbf those guys are literally non combatant

“a few of them have cardboard boxes”

Manny is just a flat out idiot

[glad spruce]

Jesus christ

[sudden mortar]

Besides that there is no JTF left in Washington but in the white house. iirc, even Nat mentioned: "I got the black tusk, the hunters and the true sons at my disposal, while your agents have civillians carrying water bottles" at the end of Reign of fire. She doesn't even mention the JTF

[gaunt ice]

you know what this feels like

[sudden mortar]

LMB?

[gaunt ice]

nah Nat just dont care enough to take the white house

she sent like what 15-20 guys and 2 choppers to take the white house at the end of reign of fire

[sudden mortar]

And a freaking razorback

[gaunt ice]

not enough people guarding it kek

just launch like a full scale assault not like a small raid lol

the true sons over at castle rn would put up a better fight

[sudden mortar]

I guess it's just a game design choice not to put like 50 soldiers at once but idk. Or you're gonna tell me that 8 people with SHD tech managed to capture an airport with like 200 hundred soldiers and experimental BT tech.

[gaunt ice]

they only lost to us because the Sheriff is a literal force of nature

[gaunt ice]

fair point

[glad spruce]

But also like chairs hates everything

[gaunt ice]

hey i love div1

i used to like div2 too

[sudden mortar]

That explains his profile image

[gaunt ice]

i read that as china hates everything at first glance

[glad spruce]

Of course you do

[gaunt ice]

i think i know where this is going

[glad spruce]

Since Div 1 is the greatest thing since sliced bread

[gaunt ice]

i did like pentagon too if liking div1 isn’t valid for you

idk or maybe,just maybe thats cuz div2 retroactively retcons everything everytime they drop new lore

like have you considered for a second that maybe its not div1 thats awesome but div2 is not up to par story wise

cuz i actually prefer playing div2 over 1 like a lot

like pretty sure i have more hours in div2 by now

[glad spruce]

Your standard for retcons is new lore being added

[sick lantern]

and you like trying to get people in to arguments it seems

[gaunt ice]

retcon: a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency.

take it up with oxford if you have a problem with that

Keener

“somehow Palpatine Keener survived”

[glad spruce]

By your logic, Lau working against Black Tusk undercover is a retcon

[gaunt ice]

oh and they retcon SHD tech origin like 3 times now

i mean 2

[glad spruce]

Cuz you and chairs hate everything?

[gaunt ice]

DARPA is like,fine

its like acceptable if you squint it

[sick lantern]

I will criticise the plot if and when it deserves to be criticised, which is often

and don't act like I don't criticise Div 1 and the EU media as well.

[glad spruce]

Uh huh

[gaunt ice]

what was established:Lau joined BT
what we dont know:why Lau joined BT
hence adding information into what we DONT know isn’t infact a retcon

and its not like the whole undercover Lau thing was great either so

[sick lantern]

Hawkster you're the one who acts like a hater to the people actually trying to be involved with and follow the plot, which means dissecting how things interact- or how they contradict.

and then when someone doesn't take the bait you're just like "uh huh"

[gaunt ice]

uh huh

[glad spruce]

Cuz they're unproductive and a waste of time

[gaunt ice]

yknow originally i just said that JTF in div1 is way more useful from a plot standpoint compared to div2

its not even me actively trying to diss on the story just pointing out how much div2 JTF was dumbed down tenfold

unless you want to argue that somehow Manny isn’t an incompetent leader and that im just glazing div1

[glad spruce]

Okay, you win.

I'll back off.

Moving on.

I bet 10 dollars that this Tuesday's Descent comms will have Kevin Padk

[dawn sandal]

can anyone tell me how to become a rogue agent in the division 1 (in dark area)

[pallid trail]

I think it used to be like this, you would become a rogue if you shot anyone, but now they have changed

[sick lantern]

#td1-general

[glad spruce]

#td1-general

Sir, this is the lore channel

[dawn sandal]

no access

[glad spruce]

Go to channels and roles above and update your Div 1 role

[wicked gorge]

So I might be a little late to realizing but you noticed the watches once we complete the challenges have something of the factions on it, the hyena watch has spray paint and the true son one has some fabric on it

[waxen sonnet]

I Dont get what you mean there Chairs, we do know why Lau's joined BT (To an extent)

[ember temple]

I mean both Chairs and Webkinz are right in what they're saying. Nobody can honestly say the story hasn't been retcon multiple times. I only criticize because I loved the game and just want it to be good again

[west swallow]

im new at the game td 1, how to get level fast, and how to get backpack bigger?

[wicked gorge]

Wrong Channel mate, this is the lore channel. Try #td1-lfg

[sudden mortar]

Am I the only one who thinks that the reason new/returning players ask random stuff that are not related to the lore in this channel, is because they don't know that "universe" is referring to the plot and the world of the franchise?

[wicked gorge]

Maybe or maybe people are just really oblivious

[glad spruce]

Cuz personally, I've seen the word retcon used over and over that it lost meaning to me

Keener back from the dead? Sure, I would've liked more blatant hints that he wasn't really dead last season.

But I will never be convinced that Lau working against the Black Tusk undercover or the origin of SHD Tech were retcons.

Did we even learn who made SHD Tech in the first game?

[mint citrus]

No, not at all. It was just equipment we had.

[gaunt ice]

SHD tech was made inhouse originally,this was sorta mentioned in the various descriptions for gear sets,Qbranch n all

cuz if they can fund a super secret sleeper agent organization its nothing much to fund their own RnD

now by extension DARPA could also be a retcon?but eh you can sorta squint and see it fitting into div1

and if you think logically for a second a secret agency wouldn’t outsource their gear to some random contractor,no?secrecy and all that

and yes Lau secretly being against BT isn’t really a retcon

i think its fine its just the execution of it feels sloppy,thats about it

if the audio logs between Lau and Schaeffer came before the finale it would be more convincing

[glad spruce]

Fair enough

But seriously, Ortiz Robotics worked with DARPA, so the notion they're just random contractors feel ehhh to me.

[gaunt ice]

my point is that it shouldn't have been outsourced on the basis that they are made for an agency whose existence is unknown to most people

it contradicting pre existing lore like DARPA and inhouse gear is one thing but another is that you're letting more people know about it which risk leaks,not to mention how they just knows everything including ANNA and ISAC

from what i understand normally when governments contract something you dont know much about it

make that and get paid no questions asked

those guys know too much

which shouldn't have happened especially if you're secretly conspiring against the States lol

i wouldn't be surprised if those guys are dead by now

also how the government just turned a blind eye on McManus working with a Russian PMC

imagine if the States say they're hiring Wagner tomorrow

[wicked gorge]

I mean the rest of the government is probably dead or Mia so they can’t do anything about McManus

[waxen sonnet]

Just remember there are real life Parallels, civil manufacturing giants have worked with the US Government in real life to create extremely classified parts, tech and vehicles

[gaunt ice]

hmm fair enough

[gaunt ice]

i mean before the outbreak

[waxen sonnet]

Lockheed built the SR71, Kodak Camera's the U2 Spy planes highly classified spy cameras etc, so it's actually not something that happens in real life, So Ortiz being experts in AI being brought in for a top secret AI is somewhat believable

That doesn't happen*

[gaunt ice]

if its top secret how do we know bout it

oh right declassified

i forgo

[waxen sonnet]

They're museum pieces now, they were early cold war, just examples I knew easily 🙂

[waxen sonnet]

Only Sokolova is Russian, BTSU Class themselves as an International organisation, hence why it's made up of individuals in worldwide backgrounds as opposed to an entirely Russian armed forces.

McManus only really pushed the connection and working relationships with BTSU Post outbreak, where Phoenix is right because most are dead or MIA he's essentially left the most powerful official left now Ellis is dead.

[gaunt ice]

ahh i see

so its post outbreak only?

[waxen sonnet]

The relationship between both organisations sortta became very openly public post outbreak yeah

I saw that you cursed man.

[gaunt ice]

wha

what did i miss

[waxen sonnet]

A cursed comment about Sokolova

[sleek plover]

Yeah even I thought that was rather too much

Still doesn't change the fact that BT are Sokolova simps

[glad spruce]

I do like that few of Eva Garcia's propaganda broadcast have her rant against Sokolova

[wicked gorge]

The us government does use PMCs in real life so the government either A knew about bt being hired by McManus but believed it was to support military ops or B McManus was really good at hiding his payment of bt

Didn’t fully read the text, but yeah there’s also a lot of evidence that McManus hired the Black tusk after the outbreak and only knew Nat through security contracts

[gaunt ice]

i do know that the US use PMCs i was just confused about why they would use a Russian one

which was cleared up later

[urban musk]

What's the lore behind the breaking point JTF brand set?

[lavish galleon]

im assuming its standard gear the jtf had during the div 1 and resurgence

[urban musk]

that cannot be the case.

If I were to guess, It's probably the gear for elite JTF types. like specialized units within the JTF.

but the kneepads and vest look too damn wacky IMO. I'll still use it cause it looks good. but it's different.

[glad spruce]

This week in Descent comms. Log#60 titled Exploits.

||Kevin Park talks to Trig about Claire. He figured out it was Claire Ortiz given she was at a conference on AI and guidance system applications. Park talked with Claire and got to pitch LINC which she thought was cute but couldn't compete to ISAC||

||Park expresses concerns about the dangers ISAC represents in terms of privacy and security, risks though Trig warned him to stop talking about this subject or otherwise, he'll be sent to Guantanamo Bay||

[gaunt ice]

is Guantanamo Bay a way to say game end

[glad spruce]

Its a U.S military prison that's notorious for torturing and abusing its prisoners.

[gaunt ice]

same thing

[glad spruce]

Uh huh

[glad spruce]

Either way, its clear that ISAC had problems when it comes to security and privacy. But the higher-ups who funded and created SHD didn't care, so yeah.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure Kevin Park is on the death warrant by any remaining U.S officials assuming he's still alive in the current timeline

[sudden mortar]

Imagine being hunted by the CIA/NSA because an employee friend of yours forgot to not say (redacted stuff that non-federal people shouldn't know)

[waxen sonnet]

Could even be one of the first times we see Hunter's used against HVT's

[glad spruce]

Next week is the Leto trial, we should have some interesting comms in that one.

[sudden mortar]

I wonder if the rogue agents in silver creek like Killian Tower follows Keener's legacy or they got their own reason on heartland.

[lavish galleon]

probably legacy

[waxen sonnet]

I'd certainly like to know at this point despite Keeners Legacy and all his agents under him Just why did he dome so many first waves, and second waves for that matter. The only logical believable basis imo is they'll say they were Hunters or the likes

[glad spruce]

Assuming Bridgette Douglas does cheat her death, would it be possible for her to ditch the Black Tusk girdle?

She did to say Keener in one of the comms from last season that unless he has a secret immortality cocktail, she'd rather not have anything to do with his ambitions

[waxen sonnet]

Wait we Didnt kill her in the previous manhunts years ago?

[glad spruce]

Actually, we did in Season 4, like the first target.

But don't you think it's a bit odd that she gets featured in comms for last season and this season

[waxen sonnet]

Eh, I can see it that way but at the same time, Because we dont know what he was up to, and we treated her as a standard rogue agent, It was bound to eventually happen

Keener seems very cold in letting his supposed freinds die.

I mean he's throwing out his cells of agents to the wolves, he knows we'd find them, and considering the sheer ass kicking our encounter with him personally went, he must know his cells are 99% likely not to be returning

[gaunt ice]

he betrayed the division so

actually no thats not a good point

he betrayed a lot of people

people are just numbers for him

[waxen sonnet]

Keener uses for his own purpose, and let's loose ends get tied up once he's done with them,

That or SHD Intelligence is better than we expect at countering Keeners cells

[sick lantern]

on average a person/group that works with keener gets betrayed or abandoned lol

[waxen sonnet]

Pretty much constantly both

[gaunt ice]

imo the only time Keener was justified in betraying someone was Bliss cuz like

what is he exactly gonna do there kill everyone?

after we leveled the building with all of his goons staying behind to hold it?

also this gave me a thought:what if Bliss just kinda bolted away from the building

[waxen sonnet]

Ah yes, the Ol' Emeline shaw moment

[glad spruce]

Even during release, I was not convinced we killed Emeline Shaw in the Roosevelt Island stronghold

[sick lantern]

he actually left the moment the JTF showed up, before the Agent even entered the building
the helicopter you can hear as you enter the courtyard is him

presumably at least

[glad spruce]

Smart. Had he stayed longer, he would've been in a world of hurt

[sleek plover]

He should have been lynched by angry citizens he oppressed

[glad spruce]

I reckon his beef is towards the government and the Division. Not the civvies

[round flare]

Dudes i have a very specific question
Technically the World in TD2 has gone to shit
Technically this also means that the Hague isnt functional

Technically following this logical chain this means the Geneva Convention is out of order

As such - isnt the JTF then allowed "Creative appliance of ingenuity in military tactics" ?

Cuz who would sue them?

Geneva?

I highly doubt that

@glad spruce

Or are there novels , books , comics regarding other countries

[sick lantern]

https://youtu.be/YGkQ-LH0NLA?feature=shared

[glad spruce]

There's the Langley Reports comms which goes over the state of other countries with the Green Poison

[round flare]

I really wonder why there arent operators going all out warfare with those gangs

To put it simple i doubt even that true sons , hyenas and all the other affiliation would have the necessary points to be even considered as combatants

[sick lantern]

wdym operators

[round flare]

Division agents , Military

[sick lantern]

I really don’t know why so many Division fans need to be told that the military is thoroughly shagged and no longer properly exists as we know it. The world basically ended
I’m not even being rude I legit don’t know. No other form of normal society or infrastructure really still exists, why would the military be different? This is such a common question that NGN made a video on it

[woven plover]

Its a simple answer to ignore everything stated above, they simply don’t have the numbers or forces to

The division was the solution to the outbreak, and truthfully they kinda failed

The division exists to make sure that there was one last line of defense

[tulip patio]

problem is I kinda doubt the most well prepared military in the world would crumble so fast

like the funding they have is enough to keep em running as it is for long

[woven plover]

Its not hard for a military to crumble

[tulip patio]

if something like a PMC can organize themselves I am sure the US military could do

[woven plover]

They aren’t magically immune to the virus and they would have to massively split forces

[woven plover]

And said pmcs all started taking their own measures

[round flare]

Does this mean : TECHNICALLY the Division and the JTF have a War Fun pass?

[tulip patio]

I mean sure military would take a hit but we're still talking about the most well funded military on the globe not some amateurs

problems or not I am certain they would manage a more cohesive response

[round flare]

Cuz technically setting hyenas on flame , gas grenading true sons , blasting up cleaners would not be considered a war crime then

[woven plover]

There can’t be war crimes if there isn’t a government to restrict it

[sick lantern]

exactly
the majority of personnel, people working logistics, commanding officers, are dead, plus however many got stuck overseas, went home to their families, etc etc

[sick lantern]

the PMC funded by conspirators and had prior knowledge of the outbreak coming

[round flare]

there cant be warcrimes if there are no countries left that agreed to the Geneva Suggestion

[tulip patio]

yes true but I mean just like how the True Sons managed to have some cohesion, albeit for the purpose of taking power, I am sure there's well meaning military groups possible too

[woven plover]

They gained cohesion through force

[tulip patio]

it's still possible to run such an outfit

[round flare]

Cuz atm - id say F all rules of engagement and brutally murder the BTSU and every goddamn single ganger.

Brutalize them , bully them back to decency

[sick lantern]

and fwiw they did, managing a fairly effective quarantine for a few months-ish

[tulip patio]

like we saw many times in say 89 real world militaries sided with the people and actually made a positive change, sure now it's a much different situation here

but I really doubt suddenly they're all paralyzed and only PMCs in latex skintight suits can suddenly operate

[woven plover]

Id also like to say that if there are military groups out there, at least one split off into its own faction like lmb, lmb got cut off and was essentially left to die

[sick lantern]

they’re called the JTF (surviving National Guardsmen) and the Molossi (go read Compromised)

[woven plover]

Jtf is essentially the military

[tulip patio]

yeah I just feel the universe kinda made em much too incompetent for the sake of story

[round flare]

Im so fed up with the gangs and the kinda halfassy approach

[sick lantern]

but there’s no way for there to be a fully organised combined arms etc. approach like the traditional military would be capable of, because everything ever is shagged

[tulip patio]

it's always the same tired scenario of societ all crumbles and somehow some gangs or renegades take power

[sick lantern]

that is indeed what i said

[woven plover]

Look at how covid affected the real world, now multiply that by 10x and on the busiest day of the year

[round flare]

im done with the BTSU and honestly id murder every ganger , BTSU operative and every threat.
And if they survive or surrender its good

like Division bullying gangers back to decency

[tulip patio]

well yeah but equally it would affect even the people with bad intentions is my point

[woven plover]

The dollar flu virus simply was just too powerful to control

The military would easily crumble without leaders

[tulip patio]

even if BT were more prepared, sure they were in on it I assume, still feels like they get too much credit

local leaders would pop up though

[round flare]

and while covid really busted RL for the time , The dollar flu was far more lethal

[tulip patio]

and I really doubt the only way to organize something is by brutality, in story we basically started pacifying DC until Black Tusk

[sick lantern]

that is also exactly what we see, in the canon

[tulip patio]

yeah

but I mean I feel someone with more power would have popped up I believe in such situations

basically i mean like a more well meaning ridgeway

[woven plover]

Thats kinda what has happened though

[tulip patio]

well we still kinda have to save em all

[round flare]

maybe its resentment and kinda disappointment from seeing little to none progress

But honestly id see the point where the Division would legitimate go all out war against anything in DC

And i see the tempting offer...

[woven plover]

Division are suddenly no longer looking exactly like the good guys

[round flare]

i dont see the problem in the division , more in the coding of ISAC

[woven plover]

Im pretty sure all the ai setup is just so they can give us a new ai in either the dlc or div 3

[round flare]

Cuz in the bigger picture i still see the good in the Division , the Good in the JTF
But the bad in ISAC bound restrictions

I guess sometimes reasonable men have to do unreasonable things - to quote

but i also see the inability to weigh this

[sick lantern]

what exactly do you think they’re up to? holding hands and singing kumbaya with the black tusk?

[round flare]

like do i need to nuke (exaggerated) every ganger and BTSU , break them , mutilate them , horrify them , and apply vietnamlevel of terror tactics - to ensure that DC finally knows peace

[sick lantern]

😐 I see

[round flare]

Cuz for me - The poor shmucks suffered enough

the camps need a break

[tulip patio]

also publickly execute them and send video to their leadership

[round flare]

send home the severed heads with the dogtags

[tulip patio]

how about impaling

[round flare]

You see the level of gruesomeness i deem justified to give the civvies a break

and this would make me certainly neon red levels in ISACs coding

[round flare]

Hmm Vlad could work

[tulip patio]

yeah we replicate his tactic, impaled black tusk at every entrace to DC

[round flare]

if it finally makes them go away

[round flare]

id say execute the CEO , the Generals and totally dismember their operations and seize every piece of equipment from them but a start has to be made

[sick lantern]

why don’t you guys form a group chat with @sleek plover

[round flare]

Im just saying , to win this war for peace , to finally frick the BT , the Gangers and stuff its more than time for some darker than black ops , hell even darker than blacksite prison shit

If this is what it takes to liberate DC and give those people back a life worth living - hell so be it

[tulip patio]

how about we make penal battalions out of black tusk too, we send them in waves against hyenas after we capture them, wil only 1 pistol per 2 people

[round flare]

they get a bullet , they have to get the pistol from the enemy , otherwise the explosive collar goes boom xD

Why waste gear

[tulip patio]

this is the plan to fix DC

[round flare]

maybe its kinda the resentment that has built up within me , seeing the camps being threatend over and over again

I really like the Campus and theatre guys , i love the castle settlement

[tulip patio]

Yeah of course

we should use DC-62 as well on black tusk

[round flare]

and id really like to have a moment where it at least feels like that we can give em a moment of peace back

and not virtually fighting against an enemy throwing meat into the grinder till the grinder stops working

[tulip patio]

I said it before but

I kidna wish militias had more serious looking people too

like all of Castle is basically ex True Sons

they surely have some good gear with em, so they CAN defend themselves

[round flare]

but a plundered molle , carrier vest and probably plate vest + plus a barely functioning gun is not a "Gear" worth throwing into battle

[tulip patio]

so I want a milita heavy guy with a grenade launcher

to bombard some black tusk

[round flare]

how about a fancy crossbow

[tulip patio]

I am sure there's plenty of places for gear though, we have access to stashes from all the main enemy factions and plenty of cleared out Black Tusk bases

[glad spruce]

Its more realistic than the whole cringy "people survive through the apocalypse by working together" crap

[tulip patio]

yeah I agree

[round flare]

im not saying that this would solve problems

[tulip patio]

I am sure people from settlements would have enough of this by now and get seriously geared up and trained

[round flare]

but a 30 mm shell is surely a good thing to fire on the baddies

[tulip patio]

they have access to leftover gear I am 100% certain from all the enemy bases we cleared

[sick lantern]

that actually would make sense, but we don’t see it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[round flare]

Also they really must have Kratos levels of Anger towards the Gangs and BTSU

like GTFO our City or Get Bent

[sick lantern]

besides the rocket artillery (aka “mortars”) at the Castle

[tulip patio]

yeah I feel like they're way past vests and short pants by now

[round flare]

i feel that the settlements now also would like to "have a word" with the enemies

AKA send them to jesus

[sick lantern]

remember the absolutely wimpy homemade mortars at the start of the Capital mission lmao

[tulip patio]

yeah lol

[round flare]

and seriously. WHO IS PAYING THE OVERTIME OF THE AGENTS

[tulip patio]

what an "attack"

[round flare]

Anyway. I love the game tho

its a fun semi realistic arcadey shooter

and ive met some fun people

and had tons of really cool moments

[waxen sonnet]

The SHD Is, when activated, authorised I believe in not requiring to follow the Geneva Convention If I recall correctly:

"Once activated and deployed, a Division agent formally outranks all other tactical units in the field. This superseding authority lets Division teams cut through red-tape and bypass policy restrictions, laws, regulations, and jurisdictional boundaries as needed. "

-Its also semi-aluded too in the fact Scorpio, which is used by agents, was originally banned for use after DARPA's prototypes breached the Geneva convention's 1899 laws on weapons using Poisons.

[waxen sonnet]

I know this is said in Humour dont worry, but uh, Nobody in a currency kinda way:

We've learnt very recently that Agents get Significant signing on bonuses, in Agent Hoskins case we learn through collectibles she received enough to buy a remote farm and have it retrofitted with panic rooms and bunkers for her family pre-outbreak.

As for Current Circumstances its likely Agents are working on far more old fashion reward systems, there work as an Active agent is essentially recompensed by locals and JTF Elements providing them a safe place to sleep, seek medical services, warm meals, clean water, restock ammo etc. Its likely there's also a barter or trade system of physical items being swapped.

[glad spruce]

And Keener, on the other hand, used his bonus to pay alimony for his second ex wife and C*ypto lol

[gaunt ice]

they’re probably still bound by the geneva convention theres just no one there to enforce it rn

“oh society collapsed?bring out the shotgun loaded with every virus we can find in the CDC”

[gaunt ice]

did you think Keener invested in dogecoin

[sleek plover]

Oh I thought we were talking about Baldy Bliss

[waxen sonnet]

I seriously dont think they do actually have to abide by it, its very much a "In case of activation use any method to save what remains"

I have spent too long fighting hunters now because Im sat here trying to understand the glorified cloaking devices they seem to have

[mint citrus]

Could just be some form of active camo?

[waxen sonnet]

The only similar thing I thought was like this.

Perhaps the smoke is some sort of ECM capable of hiding from an Agents vision by removing themselves from the agents Scantek lenses

"However, like other SHD Tech, they are vulnerable to electromagnetic pulses (EMPs), which can temporarily scramble the lenses' visual output."

• is what makes me think its some sort of electronic defence as apposed to something more fantastical

[wicked gorge]

I find it funny that the division had a division that focused on clothing and accessories (an example would be the caps with division logos and their sunglasses with shd labels)

[glad spruce]

I don't know if anyone noticed it, but this Manhunt's completion reward is a patch symbolizing a horse

What's the most well known Horse figure in Greek Mythology? Trojan Horse. And its well known to be wooden horse that the Greeks used during the Trojan War to enter the city of Troy and win the war.

Now, I'm not gonna say anything, and I don't have a solid theory of how the Manhunt is gonna end. But given the Greek Mythology references in this Manhunt, it does give some implications

[sudden mortar]

I have an idea about the final mission, like Black Tusk trying to establish a mobile base (probably somewhere near Brooklyn), and they receive a delivery of warhounds and other automated units. And then "bang", Keener's rogues hack those machines and make them attack everyone, while Keener wants us to go alone and unlock that bunker door on this season's trailer. And there he is, the first rogue himself waiting for us and looking like that scene from resident evil 4 with Lion sitting on that chair like a badass

[wicked gorge]

As keener stares down our agent after massacring the black tusk and says his most important words “where everyone go? Bingo?”

[gaunt ice]

gonna throw a wrench out there and say that they're gonna activate Mari or something idk

like remember that entire season where they made her really really suspicious

and then Malik talked about how they used some soundwave or something on either her or the baby i dont remember the exact detail

like if its just average Malik being a snake again sure but it was noteworthy enough to be in an audio log so

[waxen sonnet]

Not a bad shout, Trojans again are a term to describe certain computer viruses after all, and Parnell on Keeners side with ANNA makes it highly feasible

That or we're being electrocuted by another SHD Cache 👁️👄👁️

[sleek plover]

By this time we should develop immunity like how quagmire developed one for pepper sprays

[ashen jungle]

The fact that contact lenses in our eyes are being shocked, says that building up an immunity to that might be a tad tricky.

[urban musk]

switch them with glasses

Like I said about a week ago, (heck Might be a month now that I think about it) Glasses are overall a better option for an Integrated hud instead of contact lenses.

it's cost effective, and EMP's can shock the contact lenses causing eye damage.

if you had tac-glasses, those problems would go away.

and there are dozens of type of glasses.

range, safety, sports, eyesight, reading, sun and casual.

[sick lantern]

the contact lenses are easier to hide before activation
glasses are liable to fall off your face and and provide a much more constrained field of vision, and would need some sort of weird power system

the lenses would provide a much more full AR experience

[urban musk]

Contacts are easier to hide? sure, but that wouln't matter. we have a brick that glows orange in a go bag, who's to say we can't fit glasses in the bag too?

also, glasses falling off the face? sure good point. but, ever heard of wraparounds? also some glasses are made to fit very tight to the face to ensure they don't fall off. look at special forces ops.

now, the AR experience. that's a very good point, I'm not sure I can counter that yet.

[urban musk]

now onto the powers system, If anything it's more complicated with the contacts. glasses would have a more robust power system in place, and they're bigger than contacts so it might be able to hold more battery.

Now If I were to bet?

Agents have a choice between contacts and glasses.

I mean in the Div 1 there was these glasses you could equip, they had some camera thing and they had SHD markings.

[sick lantern]

i think the logic is that glasses would need a new battery or charging or etc. which might not always be available
meanwhile the contacts are powered, literally MGS Codec style, by the piezoelectric movements of your eyelids or whatever

[ashen jungle]

It's not a matter of choices now, the lenses are part of our SHD kit already. There is no new kit.

anyone who invented the kit in the first place is probably in one of those corpse piles.

Actually we know for a fact that they are, due to logs at the Pentagon/DARPA.

[glad spruce]

Or if they were alive during the outbreak, Black Tusk or the Hunters were sent to silence them.

[waxen sonnet]

Probably far less malicious is the fact they died of the Virus, or like the Ortiz, worked with the wrong people but knew enough about those bad people that they should hide from them

[little pollen]

That reminds me

[glad spruce]

?

[wicked gorge]

So was it ever confirmed why the Black Tusk still have Schaefer’s biometrics in their database

[glad spruce]

I dunno if its confirmed

[wicked gorge]

Just feels stupid that he’s the key to get into the bt bunker but it can easily be solved if someone just deleted his info

[fallen gate]

I think it's not the case now, he may be the "key" in some other way, not biometrics

That's why they still haven't killed him off while attacking the white house or something like that

But we will see

Anyway, I've been playing division 1 recently and with all of the stuff that we have with Keener in 2 I got confused on him a lot, if he's the good guy and wants to deal with Black Tusk and Calvin then why did he kill off so many agents and JTF guys? Does he see all of the good agents as government puppets or something? Why were we even fighting in the first place if we shared the same goal?

As far as I understand, in the first game he has personal vendetta against JTF, as for the second one it was a miscalculation on his part and afterwards a distraction with his "death"

[wicked gorge]

I’ve been playing through the division 1 too and from what I’m remembering and collecting, Keener doesn’t have issues with civis and only has a grudge against the division and government, timeline wise after leaving manhattan he discovered McManus and the hunter so forgot about the division and mainly focused on McManus and lore wise from WONY besides Theo, i dont think the other rogues knew about McManus and Keener manipulated their hate for the division to further his agenda against the black tusk

More English terms, started as a bad guy that wanted the government and division to burn then was repurposed as a anti hero basically

[fallen gate]

Yeah it makes sense, missed that part where he became aware of the McManus

I saw some egos where he killed some innocent JTFs and some civilians and got confused as hell

[wicked gorge]

I think it’s discussed in the Vanguard comns? I don’t remember honestly but this season had a comn between Keener and Viper discussing how Ellis was recovered by the division and they didn’t know he was rogue and working with black tusk

[wicked gorge]

My personal favorite is the echo next to Amherst apartment where keener just stares down a hanging jtf officer after he killed some rikers

[fallen gate]

Yeah, saw that exact one lol

That's good that the psycho is actually not angry at us anymore

[wicked gorge]

Speaking of Div 1, I personally wanna see the Boo mechanics from the first one come back, it feels more in line with the division story and motives

[wicked gorge]

Saddest one is watching keener trying to protect a group of civis from rikers

[fallen gate]

Ohh, that's interesting, i need to find that one

[fallen gate]

First one is simply superior in most ways to me

The second one has a better tactical feeling

[wicked gorge]

Definitely, it feels so good to acquire points to upgrade the different branches but seeing the changes in the base and little details adds more to the rise from the ashes feel

2nd one is good, but I don’t feel it’s as rewarding

[fallen gate]

Plus Jtf is better in 1 game

[wicked gorge]

I think it’s around the kips Bay Area , im not too sure but it’s around the west part of manhattan

[urban musk]

Someone say JTF?

[wicked gorge]

Well they actually got off their ass and did something

[fallen gate]

And they look like they are JTF at least

[wicked gorge]

Its amazing coming back to this game and reliving the whole experience, im enjoying the side missions cause they feel more fleshed out and have more characters (not the resupply missions, f those)

[fallen gate]

I love the hp health system more in the first one too

In the second game we're too squishy

[wicked gorge]

Meh I like the armor plating but nothing will beat the combat cocktails

But I recommend looking for all of Keeners echos, if i remember it shows his descent from the aftermath of the dz pullout and his slow descent into going rogue

[fallen gate]

Plating is cool, sad that even in blue build it goes off fast

[fallen gate]

Yeah, I'm collecting them along the way

[wicked gorge]

What amazes me is how the first game makes ISAC seem like this super computer then the second game basically confirms it’s the dumbest one

[fallen gate]

Yeah!!

And it's actually dumber in the second one

It requires help to get us through in some missions

[wicked gorge]

First one ISAC is able to pinpoint hostile movement, able to recreate past events with access to a camera or system, and able to identify levels of contamination

The second game basically has that, but dumbs it’s down and then proceeds to reveal its the dumbest of multiple AIs

#justiceforISAC

Will say tho, the division has some of the best story telling in gaming

[fallen gate]

So true

That's one of the only games where i knew lore so good without going to the lore videos

And the lore is actually good, despite Kenner respawn and Laus death

[wicked gorge]

Laus not dead silly

She’s alive

And Tbf I don’t think anyone in the community was upset about Keeners revival

One thing I do wanna see for the division 3 and active movement in echos

[fallen gate]

Is she? Wasn't there a comm about cremating her corpse or something

[fallen gate]

Of course not, even NGN wasn't expecting that one

[wicked gorge]

No, it’s basically the whole call of duty joke, Lau was never in that boss fight

The only character ppl believe that might be retcon is Viper

If thay brought Lau back then im 99% sure that the fan base would be pissed

[glad spruce]

Lau is dead for real. I think Phoenix was trolling

"Cassandra" in Kelso's Manhunt finale is actually Kelso

[wicked gorge]

Wasnt Cassandra originally Lau

[glad spruce]

Yes. But Kelso kept Lau's watch with her after the latter died, hence why Kelso got pinged by ANNA during the first found footage in Y5S3.

[fallen gate]

Maybe she will stay dead to make up for us joining Keener and her killing Ellis

[glad spruce]

Funny

[wicked gorge]

Alright, I don’t remember Kelso claiming the Cassandra title

[glad spruce]

But seriously tho, Lau did work with Keener secretely to undermine Black Tusk and the Hunters.

In fact, the website's page for the season goes over that.

[wicked gorge]

That was talked about in Vanguard right?

[glad spruce]

Yes

[wicked gorge]

Ngl that feels like a year ago

[glad spruce]

The line between light and dark, agent and rogue, keeps blurring as we learned that Keener was working with Faye Lau to undermine the Black Tusk and neutralize the Hunter threat during the events of Warlords of New York.

Keener is coming to Washington, D.C. and he has sent us an invitation to parley, but first we will need to pass his twisted trials and prove our worth. An alliance with Keener and his Rogues could be the key to stopping Natalya Sokolova and the Black Tusk. But what will the cost be? 

Can Keener be trusted? Is the enemy of our enemy truly our friend?```

- From the official website's Y6S1 page

[wicked gorge]

Also im honestly expecting the ashes of Lau to roll up in a wheelchair and say its division time at this point

So does the division consider Keener public enemy number one still?

[glad spruce]

Yes.

But given the Division itself is compromised since its mission was perverted and dozen of agents are secretely Hunters, its given that Keener can't trust em

[wicked gorge]

So for any div 1, on W 24th St next to Madison Square Park, there’s a table with a crap ton of dead rats that looks like a ritual

[glad spruce]

Gotta love scary areas 😛

Well, one more day till Leto

[wicked gorge]

I didn’t realize till I was leaving but there are graffiti of Cthulhu with the rats

[glad spruce]

Wait, I forgot TU21.3 is released this Tuesday. Well, I guess I'm gonna have to wait

[wicked gorge]

Oh boy, I can’t wait for ANNA to be a bigger smartass

[glad spruce]

I like ANNA. She's funny

[wicked gorge]

Considering its supposed to be more “alive” than the other two ais, they chose the perfect voice to sound robotic and like a smartass

I might be getting ANNA confused for something else but im not sure

One thing I wish that came back to the division 2 were the missing agent collectibles

[glad spruce]

I did like investigating those collectibles, but it does bother me we don't discover the final fate of the missing agents.

[wicked gorge]

Either dead, Mia, or rogue

I think from the evidence many went rogue along keener

[wicked gorge]

So I might be looking into this too much, but you can find Keeners Watch in the division 1 and you take it, but Keener still has a watch in WONY, so there’s either a massive plot hole or he just reprogrammed a watch

[glad spruce]

Pretty sure it's the latter

[sick lantern]

it’s in Stuyvesant somewhere iirc

one of those apartments you can go in in that area

[cold bramble]

Wonder if the narrative team that was laid off from Bungie will join the division 👀

[waxen sonnet]

I doubt that the time and budget allocations are there at the moment as I should think all the plot up to the end of the DLC is already written up

[cold bramble]

Yeah true

[waxen sonnet]

I get the feeling if more staff are needed they'll call in some from the dev team who worked on Heartlands for there experience writing division storyline elements

[glad spruce]

And in case the laid off narrative designers do get hired at Massive or any Ubi dev working on the Division, they're more likely gonna work on The Division 3.

[cold bramble]

Don’t know why wouldn’t do that anyway

[glad spruce]

Ubi has always treated The Division like a red-headed step-child

[waxen sonnet]

Unique way to put it 🤣

[glad spruce]

And this season's Descent comms seems to focus on story beats that we were gonna divulge in Heartland.

[wicked gorge]

I mean he’s right, division is basically the black sheep of Ubisoft games

[waxen sonnet]

Oh dont get me wrong Im totally in agreement, I've just never heard the phrase before

[wicked gorge]

Really? I swear that’s been brought up multiple times in here

[waxen sonnet]

If so I've never noticed (that and I had to sit out in the naughty step for a while for saying some small comments about Seasonal Characters so i may have missed it then)

[glad spruce]

Today's the daaaaaay!

[glad spruce]

Jack, you're gonna be happy about this target's comms

[strange rock]

I think this is the first time in game they mention || Kelso is ex-CIA ||
Also took a while but they're setting up the || Keener vs Manny choice ||

[glad spruce]

It's mentioned in one of Y5S1 comms, Y5S2 ending cutscene, and in her profile in the in-game database.

||

So, Leto Trial finished. I'll try to summarize as best I can.

||While we got busy fighting off Outcasts in Downtown East, we intercepted audio logs that involves conversations between Manny and Mari Singh (his pregnant girlfriend). At first, he was still worried whether Nat did something to Mari, but Mari reassured him and told him to stop listening too much to Vik||

||Regarding Kelso, Manny was worried and was hoping she'd be found. It turns out ever since Birdie backstabbed Black Tusk, the organization has been going dark, and Manny also intercepted intel from the mobile SHD server regarding Keener and a place called redacted (It's obviously Silver Creek, but eh).||

||Manny gets very frustrated about Kelso joining Keener, saying he and his rogues are the most dangerous people But Mari helped rationalize things, saying that Faye was after Diamond (the system that Black Tusk uses) and that Kelso is after the same thing.||

||By the time we finish the trial, Keener congratulates us, and helps us realize the truth about Manny. And he requests that we finish Nyx, then find him, so he can tell us everything he knows about Diamond||

[waxen sonnet]

||The truth about Manny??||

[glad spruce]

||Probably the fact that Manny is aware of what we're doing in this season. I also forgot to mention in one audio log, Manny is frustrated with Keener acting like he doesn't know what he's doing. But Mari helps him realize that it wouldn't make a difference if he understands what Keener is doing||

||Also pretty funny, Manny admits that he'd wanted to invent a time machine, go back to 2015 and shoot Gordon Amherst in the head||

[waxen sonnet]

The one time I was actually right about something lmao

[glad spruce]

I should work on getting this week's Descent comms, but I have a gym session in an hour

[sudden mortar]

||if they also know that diamond is nat's favorite shape so that means they have been listening to all the comms of the previous seasons and the descent ones||

[glad spruce]

I always assumed comms are listened by other characters and not just us agents

[sudden mortar]

Ngl, I was laughing my ass off when Manny started swearing lol

[waxen sonnet]

"Our Comms are There Comms"

WAIT HE SWEARS?
Lmao Hawkster I was right!

[glad spruce]

The one time Jack's predicition turns out to be right

[sudden mortar]

Which one of the facts he was right about?

[sudden mortar]

I think Manny played descent on loop 39 and his game crashed

[glad spruce]

That when Manny finds out about Kelso, he'll get angry and swear

[waxen sonnet]

Basically I joked with Hawkster for ages one of the Va's is just gonna be allowed to loose his **** finding out keener's still alive

[sudden mortar]

I think that was already expected, like, agent coswald, and then Lau, and then Kelso. Manny is just too trusting sometimes.

[glad spruce]

Yeah, Manny didn't work with Coswald. That was Lau and mostly to work her way into Black Tusk

[cold bramble]

New spicy story? 👀

[sudden mortar]

Yeah but you see the pattern right? Person A convinces person B and then Person B convinces person C...
And then Manny gets angry bcs he didn't expect it. Like, Manny, the ODEA CEO stab us on the back (I know it was because Natalya told him to) and one of the first agents to arrive in DC ended up being a hunter (Johnson).

[glad spruce]

Mhmm

[sudden mortar]

There is even an Echo where a rogue agent kills another rogue, who she was working with for a couple of days.
The point is, Manny trusts too much, even with people he just met like one day ago.

[glad spruce]

I don't know if Manny trusted Agent Johnson, considering the fact that Johnson only appeared after going missing when he arrived to D.C for a couple of months

[glad spruce]

Got the Descent comm

[glad spruce]

This week in Descent comms. Titled Workaround.

||Manny talks with Birdie as he doesn't understand how their comms are Black Tusk's comms. Birdie explains that both SHD and Black Tusk networks are fundamentally the same, like people working in the same place. That's definitely the Backdoor Protocol that Ortiz Robotics worked on for ISAC, ANNA and DIAMOND.||.

||While Manny believes it's good they can listen to everything BT is planning, Nat was working on a fix for the exploit, which required a lot of server power.||

||Birdie did help with the fix as she was told by Agent Johnson it was supposed to deal against the Rogues plaguing the Division and she didn't know that the JTF and Division agents in D.C were the rogues. Despite Manny's protest, Birdie strictly believes that we're the Rogues since we're fighting Black Tusk and Calvin McManus is working with them.||

[wicked gorge]

Seeing Manny lose his shit is the best part of this week

[glad spruce]

And Keener being an egotistical a-hole as always

[sudden mortar]

I think Manny played descent on loop 39 and his game crashed, he lost the loop 40 patch

[glad spruce]

I forgot to mention this, but in one of Leto's comms, Manny mentions 2015 as last year.

So, I guess that's hard confirmation we're in 2016 in the current timeline

[sick lantern]

wasn't expecting that to be dropped so casually

:p

[ashen jungle]

Eh, unlikely. At one point there was official fan-art confirming the year to be 2019.

so any locked year is entirely subject to change.

[glad spruce]

May I ask of that particular fan-art in question?

[ashen jungle]

It's since been deleted, hence the "was" part, but if you google around enough you can find it.
I'd send a picture but old HDD's are not fun, and don't mix well with fire.

[tulip patio]

since descent comms were mentioned, if I say finish up the new ones and keep doing the weeklies, do I start getting ones from the past?

[surreal hearth]

Manny went completely bananas when he heard about kelso bringing in with keener

I feel like Manny finally lost his mind because there’s so many situations that’s beyond his control Natalya definitely gave manny one nasty PTSD

[velvet geyser]

well as we talking

in white house

there is a phone, and there is a conversation of president with president of mexico

in the conversation im pretty sure mx president said he is not worried about the Virus

@next hemlock

about other countried no idea

[sudden mortar]

There are Langley reports on the comms tab, they will tell you about the situation of the virus worldwide.

[velvet geyser]

i have voices on japanese

😢

[sudden mortar]

You speak Spanish and you're playing on Japanese language?

[velvet geyser]

i speak spanish russian & eng
but voices on japanese are pretty good

you should try 😉

[next hemlock]

Heard about that

[ember bear]

how do you access to leto logs

[wicked gorge]

Man, I forgot how depressing the div 1 phone recordings were

[glad spruce]

Complete the Leto trial

[glad spruce]

The survivor diary of Joel was pretty depressing

[ashen jungle]

Some are, but then you have the gang of little kids who beat up the Rioter, and the other one where the Stalker is tricked into calling his own mum.

[sick lantern]

fun fact if you have forgotten
Eva Acosta (as in Acosta’s Go Bag) is from them

i’m partial to the ones from Underground, the civilian and Rioter ones have some moments i like

[glad spruce]

I do like the one from the Rogue Agent who dragged the Division to NYC's underground

Though I'm a little bothered we never got to hunt her down.

[sudden mortar]

I love how ANNA basically roasts ISAC after the bank HQ mission and after the Delas Island bounty, saying his algorithm is incomplete and it's not sophisticated.

[waxen sonnet]

First I knew of this, Spent the last 1 hour 30 listening to every one of them

[gaunt ice]

there are hunters down there she'd be lucky they can put her in a bodybag tbh

[waxen sonnet]

Truth is, they were hunters from the start - gunshot

[ebon fern]

can someone who knows the story answer his question of if he is going in the correct order of the story? not trying to give misinformation #ask-td2-community message

[sick lantern]

yes, that is the chronological order of the game events

[wicked gorge]

Yeah I just finish collecting that set, div 1 hit the impact with the virus

Wrong channel, try the general channel

[waxen sonnet]

It feels weird looking back listening to it how accurate it actually was, real life with Covid, we really did have people treated in Corridors in overburdened Hospitals, Wild Conspiracy nuts spouting government conspiracy theories, shops limiting or going empty on stock. In a way its almost Brilliant how amazingly they set the story to something we wouldn't really experience for 7 more years

[strange rock]

Hmm for whatever reason || all the bounties in the white house district end with Manny saying "thank you for keeping us safe agent"||

[ashen jungle]

AFAIK it's randomised dialogue, either the rng is spinning the same or it's a minor audio bug.

If you do every daily/weekly bounty in a single Reset, you start to notice the limited audio for them.

[strange rock]

Yeah I guess it's a bug, never heard it before so I was thinking it was storyline related

[ashen jungle]

I mean it could be, but it sounds kinda odd to be the same line repeated.

[strange rock]

It's just the white house district bounties, bounties in other districts give the usual dialogue
And the timing with the new manhunt and how it ties into the story made me wonder

[wicked gorge]

I think the scariest thing in the division for me is how quiet the city is. Manhattan is one of the loudest cities in the world and running around it only with random burst of gunfire and explosions to fill the void. It’s also crazy how accurate the division was able to predict Covid and the events that would destabilize civilization

[wicked gorge]

I got that for my final Leto bounty, like Rivens said it’s probably just rng dialogue like cleaning the streets up sheriff, I wouldn’t look too much into it

[waxen sonnet]

Spot on mate, Couldnt agree more.

[wicked gorge]

Survival is the first actual canon appearance of the Hunters right?

[urban musk]

yes.

[sudden mortar]

Maybe ANNA is just repeating that line in our ears to reinforce the idea of us just doing what ISAC tells us to do, but it's just my theory.

[wicked gorge]

Not in a drawn conflict with each other but just showed up and fought each other then and there, who would win between the LMB and Black Tusk

[glad spruce]

Depends. Do the LMB have Rogue Agents on their side?

[sleek plover]

Both should be destroyed, burnt to the very ground

[sudden mortar]

Speaking of conflict, I guess I wasn't one who was finding hyenas and Black Tusk on every corner when I was trying to kill the outcast bounties.

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah, my team running the manhunt had problems with that due to patrols from the local control points clashing with random encounters

[glad spruce]

It happens sometimes. Which is one of my favorite things in Div 2.

[urban musk]

tried in military and supreme court (If they surrender willingly).

[urban musk]

if we're going off of the lore, BTSU would win regardless of if the LMB had rogues. but if we're gonna go off the experiences we've all had in-game? LMB would win.

but I find it really odd however, LMB Personnel survived in the sandbox for the better part of over 20+ years. and IIRC you had to have been apart of some Special Ops to join the LMB. The BTSU recruit anybody that can help them. BTSU has the numbers and tech, LMB has the Experience, tactics and tech. In a realistic scenario? the LMB would win like 78% of the time.

not being biased here, Because I hate both factions with a passion, LMB Even more (JTF Backstabbers). but the LMB has the advantage in a small-medium sized firefight. in a full scale large firefight of up to 20+ troops? LMB wouldn't be able to deal with the BTSU. cause the bigger the BTSU squad? the more minigunners, drone controllers, robo-hounds and tomfoolery is bound to happen. most firefights have like 5-7 people I've noticed. and the LMB dominates in that area.

[sick lantern]

the Black Tusk lost to Cleaners at Coney Island. the LMB could take them head on and have a good chance, especially considering that LMB affiliated rogues could turn the BT’s tech against them

[ebon bear]

So true sons are just a bigger organisation than the hyenas?

[sick lantern]

actually I daresay it’d be a stomp for the LMB if the BT deploy an amount of Warhounds or Marauders which are then turned against them

[sick lantern]

I’d say so

[gaunt ice]

can rogue agents at that point in time directly hack SHD tech on the go cuz i remember it being a hunter thing

also i think the point of Coney Island is that we did the heavy lifting

while their forces were being spread thin they(Cleaners) launched a full scale surprise assault and thats why BT failed at coney

also their commander was kinda bad

like a lot of the issues with black tusk can be blamed to bad commanding

though honestly i thought LMB vs BT would be a close one

theres not enough show of force for BT rn but LMB seems like a far more organized group

[glad spruce]

Then again, a lot of Black Tusk officers are belligerent psychopaths

[wicked gorge]

LMB get one Rogue while the BT get a heavy

[gaunt ice]

the LMB shield guy is unironically a better tank than BT

[glad spruce]

In that specific scenario, LMB wins

[gaunt ice]

its not as mobile true but those bulky armors are TERRIBLE

coupled with a minigun its just a game mechanic thing that they can land their shots let alone beam you down

the LMB shield guy has more mobility with a shield+SMG(better than rainbow operators lol),and can safely create a cover/turret for suppressing fire

their only weakness is the massive ammo pouch on the back but thats why you have grunts to back you up

[wicked gorge]

Doesn’t Black Tusk have Rogue Agents in their ranks tho?

[gaunt ice]

technically both LMB and BT should have the same background:armies,SOF,black ops etc

[gaunt ice]

they do

but i dont think it should make a huge difference

wait black tusk?

hmm at some point they do

[wicked gorge]

No, but you would think we would see some rogue agents like we saw in div 1

[gaunt ice]

they use hunters more now tho

they also have true sons but those guys are like fodders imo

true sons seem to be national guards which meant they dont see real combat a lot of the time

[sick lantern]

all rogues in div 1 can hack SHD tech

[gaunt ice]

yea but i dont think anyone at that point knows that BT tech and SHD tech are intrinsically linked

[sick lantern]

what would happen then is, they’d try, be like “oh this is just like SHD tech wtf i know this architecture”, then it’d be hacked

if it was just regular tech then still relatively easy hack probably
but see also Liberty Island- rogues can hack BT tech

especially since DIAMOND has to be the least competent system

[wicked gorge]

All these other systems are able to hack tech, but nooooo ISAC doesn’t understand the definition of hacking enemy tech

Something crazy to think about is if the game actually died after season 4, we most likely would never had keener come back to life

[fast wharf]

I suppose they can modify him to hack systems

Unless it self detonate ofc

[waxen sonnet]

He does though, I mean he hacks into Systems when we do the Broadcast's, Intercepts enemy radio Signals, gets us into BTSU Computers for us, can open some electronic gates and doors etc

In the Pentagon Missions doesn't he also get us literally top secret Clearance to access the blast doors via remotely accessing the pentagon's systems??

[wicked gorge]

I mean the fun stuff like enemy turrets and drones

[waxen sonnet]

Oh, right, my bad

[wicked gorge]

You good mate

[cold bramble]

if hypothetically in the future we are marked as rogue by isac due to the developing situation, wouldn't we be limited with what te4ch we can use?

[fast wharf]

I Wonder How illegal and top secret would hunters' jammer be

I mean it jams high contact lenses, communication, camera and even coded signals

[fast wharf]

(by coded signals i mean private calls etc)

[glad spruce]

I don't think so as we're still gonna be able to use our tech thanks to Claire's workaround.

The bigger concern is how our allies would act the moment our watches go red.

[cold bramble]

Yeah I suppose

[glad spruce]

Besides, the latest Descent comm establishes as much. Calvin McManus is working with Black Tusk. So by all intents and purposes, any Division agent fighting Black Tusk is a rogue.

Including us.

[sick lantern]

people have been saying that for years and it’s never been actually true

[mint citrus]

If only the devs would follow through on that particular narrative thread

Like have it be a huge, pivotal moment for the Agent

[fast wharf]

Canonically talking: drones are hard to hit, meaning that the drone on trailers or anything are extremely OP

[gaunt ice]

real

if they make drones ingame function like that one wony animated trailers they'd be so busted

[gaunt ice]

unfortunately he doesn't have a say in that,or any of it so its just black tusk propaganda

he's not POTUS nor is he the highest ranking official left

and he already betrayed the people when he decided to work with basically terrorists now,yknow the whole executing people in broad daylight thing

or trying to weaponize DC62(granted true sons did that first but they still tried to replicate it)

also remember how they just straight up execute civillians just to not do paperwork?

thats an audio log btw so its not a perfect crime either lmao

[fast wharf]

That one where it goes in the sky instead of standing 5 feet above the ground?

[gaunt ice]

and it still did its job

[fast wharf]

I mean yeah

[gaunt ice]

it was pinning down the rikers

[fast wharf]

Drones are comically the most OP skill in trailers

It's an icon at this point

[gaunt ice]

tbf they're suppose to be shooting rifle rounds or some shit lol

they probably shoot rubber rounds ingame or somethin

[fast wharf]

I suppose they either shoot 7.72 or 9mm

I mean

A drone shooting rubber rounds wouldn't kill people like in trailers

And in-game, it's technically impossible to take down with rubber rounds unless it's on the head at a certain part

[surreal hearth]

I feel like the hunters don’t know about ANNAs existence

Only us, the rogues, and keener knows about ANNA

[surreal hearth]

They where hacking other SHD tech using the early network of ANNA

Also viper called many of us back door rogue agent cells cuss some of us spent time near the firing range testing out our gears but where not technically rogue according to “ISAC”

It also made me realize that Natalia she thought of everything but her highest flaw was that She could’ve known better about ANNA

This is literally order 66

[waxen sonnet]

It was technically hidden from her by the Ortiz

[surreal hearth]

Oooh

[glad spruce]

Yeah, one Descent comm has Claire Ortiz and Vivian Conley where Viv protests about higher-ups wanting to shut down ANNA, but Claire assured her the AI will be safe in a mobile SHD server

[waxen sonnet]

Which I believe is the one Keener now has

[cold bramble]

I can’t wait to see how all this unfolds

[waxen sonnet]

Do you think agents who go AWOL or Just quit and go home like Agent Miller still get Hunters after them 🤔

[glad spruce]

Probably? We haven't heard of Agent Miller in a while

[sick lantern]

im stumped for once who tf is miller lol

[glad spruce]

He's one of the agents who's featured in the in-game Division comms set. He suffers a bad case of PTSD and decided to go AWOL

[cold bramble]

could that black tusk machinery (i forgot the name) outside the white house be of any use if we fixed it up?

[glad spruce]

The Razorback? Not sure

[cold bramble]

Yeah that’s the one lol

[waxen sonnet]

Its weird right, because is he technically Rogue for just getting disheartened and deciding he cant do it anymore and wants to go home, is AWOL Even a thing for SHD Agents etc

[wicked gorge]

“Man I can’t wait to go back home and see my wife” The hunter watching from a distance 😏

[marble dawn]

If they do go hunting awol agents I'd imagine theyre pretty low on the priority list

[wicked gorge]

My whole issue with AWOL agents is theatrically they can always come back to the division

[fast wharf]

Idk why the usa had the Idea to put Calvin as a top rank government agent to defend usa

Even tho he made it worse with hunters

Although they're highly trained

They're making things worse by killing SHD agents

[wicked gorge]

You gotta have a contingency for the contingency

[gaunt ice]

well i mean
he wasn't known to be malicious prior to this,just scheming in the background

the current story hinges on that we assume Cal is the highest person in power right now because Homeland Security is not very high on the line of succession

[wicked gorge]

Came across an echo with 4 guys huddled up to a fire barrel singing silent night, man this game really did capture the New York spirit

[waxen sonnet]

Does anyone know the fate of Agent Collins and Yarrow Considering it ends as they come across Kajika Rogue?
I assume KIA or at least WIA

[cold bramble]

i dont know if there's anything about their status but i hope they are still alive

[cold bramble]

I wonder how many active agents are still out there that we haven’t yet met

[glad spruce]

No idea

[cold bramble]

Maybe we’ll meet some in Brooklyn

[sick lantern]

probably a fairly high amount

[cold bramble]

Does the division have a Wikipedia or something that I can just sit and look at background lore on?

[sick lantern]

the wiki is the closest thing, but there will be some errors and incomplete information/pages

[cold bramble]

Okay thank you I’ll have a look

[cold bramble]

When did diamond become operational for the black tusk? Was it from the start?

[sick lantern]

(presumably, essentially 100% true) yes, it along with ISAC and ANNA were created by Ortiz Robotics before the outbreak

[glad spruce]

It was one of the three AI systems developed by Ortiz Robotics before the outbreak, so yes it was from the start

[cold bramble]

Anna and isac were the primary focuses right?

I’m going off info from the wiki which there isn’t a lot of. I’ll see if ngn has a video on it

[glad spruce]

Yes

[cold bramble]

Appreciate you guys answering my questions btw

[floral gull]

Mari Singh should be the new HQ Division Coordinator instead of Manny based on all the comms chatter and cinematics

[sick lantern]

legit

[cold bramble]

Think he will pass the torch?

[glad spruce]

Hear me out; Bardon Schaeffer as the new Division Coordinator

[floral gull]

Character wise, he's gotten really inept, overly emotional, and his IQ seemed to drop significantly ever since her introduction

Vik might even be a better pick at this point

[cold bramble]

Schaefers out of his coma now right?

[glad spruce]

Not yet

[glad spruce]

He's becoming a dad

[cold bramble]

As you can probably tell I don’t play the game a lot lol

[wicked gorge]

Im counting he’ll awake at the end of next season for the dlc

[cold bramble]

That’s a good shout

[urban musk]

how predictable.

[wicked gorge]

Sarcasm?

[glad spruce]

Probably

[waxen sonnet]

DIAMOND Was created for BTSU At the same time as ISAC and ANNA, Except DIAMOND Is simply the Operating system, and does not feature an AI mechanic like ISAC does.

You'll see it on the equivalent of a Brick, its the digitalised small square shape with the BTSU Logo upon the front left of a soldiers shoulder.

[cold bramble]

Thanks

[sudden mortar]

It's weird how DIAMOND is the guidance system and nat's favorite shape, but BTSU logo is a square instead of a diamond shape.

[waxen sonnet]

BTSU Is the Diamond with the line down the centre then the circle isnt it?

Given thats on the machines of theres

[sudden mortar]

I mean, when you think about a diamond you think about, you know like 💎 not like 🔷

[waxen sonnet]

i think both not gonna lie, Like I can see both as being diamond shapes.

[sudden mortar]

Yeah, I feel like Trig asking everybody which is their favorite geometric shape

[waxen sonnet]

I mean this is probably reminding me why I failed maths at secondary school.

[wicked gorge]

What’s your favorite shape

[sudden mortar]

I got class in a few minutes but: hexagons are the best, efficient at covering a plane without leaving any gaps. More shapes, less empty spaces.

[marble dawn]

which descent comm had the trapezoid thing? couldnt find it

[cosmic estuary]

Good afternoon everyone

[wicked gorge]

Good afternoon to you Valkyrie

Also idk if it’s been brought up but since black tusk tech is similar to shd tech, shouldn’t the countermeasure work on their tech

[urban musk]

all things considered? most likel.