division-universe

[radiant citrus]

Possibly...? 😂

[nocturne arrow]

Didn't make the cut, clearly.

[radiant citrus]

Either that or Wally just got sick of being on the losing side lol

[nocturne arrow]

How she manages to keep her weight when nearly everyone's scavenging for food or fighting for farmed vegetables, is beyond me.

Corruption, clearly.

[radiant citrus]

Manny is definitely siphoning food to her on the side. Gotta be. Her and Mari ofc.

[nocturne arrow]

Think on it, name one fat civilian in the Division, and we're not sure of Joe Ferro, suit and all, but Bliss was a head honcho.

Bro, Mari isn't even fat, despite being pregnant...

The WALL, however...

[radiant citrus]

True. Though the actual division, it'd be impossible given that shd agents were constantly trained and kept fighting fit while under civilian cover.

[nocturne arrow]

Actually, I think I finally figured out how we're finally going to get back our Mobile Cover Skill.

[radiant citrus]

Tbf, how pregnant even is Mari at this point? Can't be that far along

[nocturne arrow]

Set her up in EOD "Juggernaut" armour and use her as cover.

Probably couple months... While BT's been sneaking into the formerly conquered Strongholds (Invasion), Manny's been sneaking into Mari's pants.

And the one left holding the bag, was the Sheriff. Take about a nasty surprise.

[radiant citrus]

Apparently with his comms still on. Cause I forget who but she literally says, stop taking comms to bed, BT knows way too much about your bedroom life lol

[nocturne arrow]

I think everyone did. Our Agent just repressed the memory and decided to just keep shooting anything that looked funny.

Coping mechanism.

[radiant citrus]

Understandable lol

Least it's a beneficial coping mechanism in terms of directive 51 I guess lol

[little pendant]

it's only after several key runs that I wonder: how does a whole acosta's go bag and a hundred steel bars fit into a faction lockbox?

i mean a lockbox can fit into an acostas go bag but the other way around?

[ashen jungle]

Most backpacks tend to have some empty space inside them, to put things in.
So you just fold it up. Some backpacks can even be rolled and strapped.

[little pendant]

ingenious

[gusty fulcrum]

Reminds me of the blahaj bag (if you know you know)

[ashen jungle]

Is that the shark? An Ikea near me started advertising them.

[gusty fulcrum]

The shark

When you order them they come in a compressed bag

Sometimes; mine came in a box

[ashen jungle]

Oh I had a soft-toy for a niece from amazon arrive like that, vacuum-packed I think it's called.

[gusty fulcrum]

yeah vacuum-packed

[supple river]

HOLY FUCK

GUYS

I FOUND THE DISCOUNT HUMVEE IRL COUNTERPART

The "Teledyne Continental Cheetah"

[steady shore]

its a humvee predocessor

[supple river]

yup

[gusty fulcrum]

huh

[silent meadow]

https://youtu.be/R2m-zjU_rIU?si=lS_d4FvGontSQtAj

D3!!!!

[gusty fulcrum]

Yeah but years away

[cold bramble]

The Division 3 announced! https://news.ubisoft.com/en-gb/article/18oNmwEFQzGDu0TYVOAcJN/julian-gerighty-appointed-executive-producer-for-the-division-brand

[gusty fulcrum]

Mate they just said that

[sick lantern]

"wants to build a team for the division 3" =/= "division 3 confirmed and announced"

heartland could flop, the dlc could undersell, whatever
I wouldn't get excited

cus corporate could kill or cancel any project we dunno

It's good news that he said that sure but still

[patent narwhal]

if the dude in charge of a franchine the company that owns the studio calls a major brand says we're gonna make a team/I want to make a team for this game it may as well be announced

[sacred knoll]

Division 1 was EPIC. Division 2 is even better in many ways but less impactful just because it’s a sequel. I hope Massive keeps doing what they do, they showed the world what a great game looks like. I see many are asking for stealth combat or ability to drive vehicles, vertical combat, futuristic stuff, etc. Don’t let Destiny or Assassin Creed players impact your decisions. We like Division not Destiny, not Ghost Recon, not Warframe, not Assassin’s Creed 😂. Keep the same concept but try to expand it further.

[ashen jungle]

More than 1 game franchise can exist at the same time, no need to put down other IP's to build one up.
plus div3 is at least 3+ years away from release at this point, if not longer. Outlaws+Avatar are first.

[sacred knoll]

Whatever mam 😂

[cold bramble]

Just let’s hope the division 3 on steam at launch lol

[cold bramble]

Why they just make this game when they can put all their effort into the division 3 and it gonna goes viral more than another division with another title

[gusty fulcrum]

There is no confirmed division 3

[steady shore]

what?

[gusty fulcrum]

yes

[steady shore]

bruh r u blind

[gusty fulcrum]

the announcement didnt say "division 3 is being developed and will be released on"

therefore

its not confirmed

you can want to work on something without actually working on it

[steady shore]

bruh massive litraly named it

in there tweet

[gusty fulcrum]

show me where it says division 3 is in development

[steady shore]

https://news.ubisoft.com/en-gb/article/18oNmwEFQzGDu0TYVOAcJN/julian-gerighty-appointed-executive-producer-for-the-division-brand

A core focus of Gerighty’s is to build a team for Tom Clancy’s The Division 3

tf you think that means

[gusty fulcrum]

exactly what it says

[steady shore]

but ok "not confirmed" but thay themselfs said there making a team to devolpe it

[gusty fulcrum]

exactly theres no confirmation of the game

glad we agree

[steady shore]

tf do you mean

[gusty fulcrum]

you just said it yourself; not confirmed

[steady shore]

sry for talkin to you

[sick lantern]

people get so defensive and rude over the possibility that div 3 isn’t 100% happening this instance jesus

[steady shore]

its obviously confirmed due to then activiely making a team to develope it

[gusty fulcrum]

@patent narwhal

[steady shore]

ye call the mods, cower down in a corner, when you have no other excuse

thatll get you far

stand up for yourself ehh

[gusty fulcrum]

im not interested in being harassed right now

[steady shore]

harassed?

you call this harassment?

god you people are soft

[patent narwhal]

yes follow rule 1 & 11 closer

[steady shore]

cant stand a word

[steady shore]

this aint harashment dude

yk that

this is just a little disagreement

just people cant stand others opinions or just facts in this case anymore

[sick lantern]

🤡

[gusty fulcrum]

you called me mentally handicapped, thats not "a little disagreement"

[steady shore]

your just soft and cant take anything said to you

and you cant deal with it yourself so you call for a higher up

it wont help you all the time

cuz thay wont be there all the time

stand up for yourself

[deep marten]

Dude, I think you ought to learn some manners

Stop antagonizing ppl

[fast wharf]

That's inflated ego tbh

Also if it was true ubi would confirm on their channel and twitter as they own massive lol

[steady shore]

https://news.ubisoft.com/en-gb/article/18oNmwEFQzGDu0TYVOAcJN/julian-gerighty-appointed-executive-producer-for-the-division-brand

its litraly on there site

[fast wharf]

That's a unofficial site

:p

[spare arrow]

look at it again and look for "division 3 confirmed"

[gusty fulcrum]

.-.

[steady shore]

Now, he’s setting his sights on Tom Clancy’s The Division 3,

[fast wharf]

Still waiting confirmation on their twitter or Channel officialy

And not on someone from massive twitter

[spare arrow]

I'm gonna help you out. The official article pretty much says when Julian Gerighty is finished with Star Wars Outlaws, he'll become the EP for the Division brand, where he hopes to get a team together for Div3.

None of that means we will 100000% see a div3. It just means Julian hopes to get it done. I want to see it too, but its not even close right now. Barely even started.

[fast wharf]

Exactly probably 5 years later we might get it

Let's wait until further notices

[spare arrow]

I get why people are saying div3 is confirmed, so many media sites saw the tweet and went rabid with misinfo or just being wrong, but once to actually read the article it states that there isnt a div3 yet, and work will only really begin after Star Wars Outlaws is out.

[fast wharf]

Hope star wars get's done next year

: D

[cold bramble]

Logically any successful franchise will continue so

[gusty fulcrum]

Heartlands

[cold bramble]

Look at gta 6 we know it’s unconfirmed officially but we know it gonna come lol

[gusty fulcrum]

It was officially announced I'm pretty sure

[fast wharf]

On 2080

Definitely

[gusty fulcrum]

Yeah it was confirmed to be in development

Many of you have been asking about a new entry in the Grand Theft Auto series. With every new project, our goal is always to significantly move beyond what we've previously delivered. We're pleased to confirm that active development for the next entry in the series is underway.

[cold bramble]

Same as you said they didn’t say "gta 6 is being developed and will be released on" but they say the next gta in development like what the division devs said…

[gusty fulcrum]

They never said it was in development lmao

[cold bramble]

I knew it ign were aliens not humans👽

[gusty fulcrum]

Or just clickbaiting for money like all news sites do?

[fast wharf]

This looks like those free robux clickbait sites and News tbh

[gusty fulcrum]

average gaming news site

[sacred knoll]

“After joining the team at Massive Entertainment – A Ubisoft Studio and shipping the original in 2016, he moved to Tom Clancy’s The Division 2 as Creative Director, where he and his team crafted a new adventure in the summertime streets of Washington, D.C. Now, he’s setting his sights on Tom Clancy’s The Division 3, as well as the plethora of other projects set in The Division universe, including the mobile game Tom Clancy’s The Division Resurgence, and the survival-action shooter Tom Clancy’s The Division Heartland.” Ubisoft website

[fast wharf]

We don't know If it's really true or not

[gusty fulcrum]

theres a difference between "setting sights on" and "actively developing"

[sacred knoll]

@gusty fulcrum you know u r not going to get a confirmation letter for this right?

[gusty fulcrum]

wdym

i didnt even do anything

[cold bramble]

Get my attention Ubisoft lol

[fast wharf]

If It was real then ubi would confirm it as she owns massive entertainment

One thing we know is that it will be a thing one time or another

[gusty fulcrum]

i dont need a letter to get confirmation from ubisoft 😎

[cold bramble]

But that’s gonna be stupidity if they didn’t release it on steam btw🗿

[fast wharf]

Also ubi if it is real pls add Golden bullet to it

[gusty fulcrum]

no lmao

[spare arrow]

Gamer its from the official ubisoft site, you misinterpreted like everything we said

[fast wharf]

Gb best event

[fast wharf]

:pain:

[gusty fulcrum]

aspect budgie is joking i think

[fast wharf]

No i'm not

[gusty fulcrum]

wait nvm i misunderstood

anyways the hunter logo

is it a badger or a bat

[fast wharf]

It's gonna be a thing one time or another once they finish the star wars game

[gusty fulcrum]

ok but

is it a badger or a bat

because i see both

[sacred knoll]

Even if it is not confirmed CONFIRMED, after all the reaction it got today, I bet they are working on it rn 😂 😂 😂

[fast wharf]

It can be a alien bug if flipped

[fast wharf]

They're not lmfao

[gusty fulcrum]

they are 100% not working on it right now

[fast wharf]

They're doing star wars

[gusty fulcrum]

star wars when i throw a chair at someone

anyways

IS IT A BADGER OR A BAT

[spare arrow]

At most they have a small team brainstorming (if even that)

[gusty fulcrum]

ASPECT GIVE INPUT

[fast wharf]

A badger i think

[spare arrow]

No

[gusty fulcrum]

:(

is it a badger or a bat

[sacred knoll]

Yeah could be, but they will. Normally it takes them 3 years, so see you in 2027 😂

[gusty fulcrum]

making up statistics is bad

[fast wharf]

Ty for disappearing

[gusty fulcrum]

ASPECT IS IT BADGER OR BAT

YOU CANT AVOID THIS DEBACLE

[spare arrow]

its actually the hunter logo

[gusty fulcrum]

aspect why are you refusing this question lmfao

[spare arrow]

bc i decided to

[gusty fulcrum]

ill ask again every day until you answer

[spare arrow]

plz dont

[fast wharf]

The mute incoming:

[little pendant]

so division 2 featured "wave 2 agents" (idk what that meant, like the second batch of trained personnel?)

did we ever get told how many waves SHD trained?

[gusty fulcrum]

lol

[gusty fulcrum]

no that was division 1 lol

div 1 was 2nd wave

because wave 1 "disappeared suddenly"

[little pendant]

oh dang

[spare arrow]

Div agents were activated in waves, first wave is mostly rogues or dead, second wave is the player's agent in div1

[gusty fulcrum]

i think its safe to say the first wave is mostly dead

[fast wharf]

Aight ima go

[little pendant]

soo if i started in div2 am i a third wave or still second wave?

[gusty fulcrum]

wait

[fast wharf]

Busy rn so cya later

[sick lantern]

Good question next question

[gusty fulcrum]

could there still be unactivated shd agents

that would be weird as hell

so im gonna assume not

[sick lantern]

Kestrel was one, but there shouldn’t be and that “””intrigue””” doesn’t seem to be going anywhere

[gusty fulcrum]

kestrel from the manhunt a while back?

[sick lantern]

so I would say act like there isn’t

[sick lantern]

Sokolova’s brother yea

[gusty fulcrum]

i gotta reread the comms, what season was that

[sick lantern]

Season 4 I think?

[spare arrow]

ay imagine- ur an activated shd agent

But then your SECOND WATCH ACTIVATES

double agent (still a shd agent but ur a Double SHD Agent)

[gusty fulcrum]

i forget what s4 was called

was that price of power?

[little pendant]

wow double the shd exp

[gusty fulcrum]

my shd pocketwatch

[little pendant]

my shd phone even

[gusty fulcrum]

shd couch when

[spare arrow]

Ty for coming to my SHD talk

[little pendant]

shd ankle tracker

[gusty fulcrum]

can we just take a moment to realize how granting complete legal immunity to a bunch of random ass people who failed psych evals is considered a good idea

[sick lantern]

it might not have been Kestrel, but I think it was
there’s definitely a comm of a rogue agent speaking to someone from the black tusk? saying they were never activated and “i guess they’re keeping some of us for the real end times”

[gusty fulcrum]

okay

was that price of power?

[sick lantern]

No

price of power was 9 or 10

Season 4 was End of Watch?

[gusty fulcrum]

that sounds correct ty

was there a season called hidden something

[little pendant]

low-key surprised the writers haven't pulled a "but the villain was secretly a SHD agent all along and everything is under control" plot but i'm glad smth so "ughhh" hasn't happened yet

[gusty fulcrum]

we havent done that yet

well....

they are kind of above manny in terms of shd control

[sick lantern]

hidden agenda

i think that was the one before price of power

9 was Lewis, 10 was Anderson, 11 was Stovepipe

[fast wharf]

Back

[little pendant]

feeling like i missed a lot of lore by not playing div1 aiyo.

[gusty fulcrum]

thanks

[gusty fulcrum]

i didnt play div1 i just saw a lore youtube video

but i should play it

[ashen jungle]

It's pretty quick and incredibly cheap, you might as well try it.

[sick lantern]

there’s some good shit in there aye

[little pendant]

yeah my friend loved the lore of division 2. I might get him a copy of division 1 so we could nerd out together

[sleek plover]

damn I hate LMB

[gusty fulcrum]

what did the left mouse button do to you

[fast wharf]

Resuming in a few words: dollar virus and america complete chaos

[little mulch]

Has anyone noticed yet that in the Progression Area, it lists Manny's age as 27? Mari Singh is listed as 40. At age 27, Manny has lots of wrinkles and even graying hair. I know that the pandemic has been bad on the guy, but I think his age needs to be adjusted.

[ember temple]

Never saw bat til you mentioned it now I can't unsee it

[gusty fulcrum]

Never saw badger until I looked closer 😭

[little mulch]

I always thought it looked like a fox

You are talking about the Hunter Symbol, right?

[gusty fulcrum]

Yes

[gaunt ice]

the hunter symbol is a symbol

one of the symbols of all time

[sick lantern]

definitely a fox, which makes me think they wanted a wolf but it’s fucked up

[near sail]

Guys

When division resurgence mobile will come

[spare arrow]

oh i know this one

sometime between now and the heat death of the universe

[little pendant]

so there are the Hyenas in TD2, the Vultures in Heartland, but when will we get the Hamsters?

[late void]

The worshipful cult of the giant mutant sewer hamsters

[little pendant]

the hamtaro faction

[sleek plover]

Hamsters :3

[sick lantern]

are Hamsters known for their scavenging tendencies?

[little pendant]

while overshadowed by iconic scavengers those cheeks definitely hold all our undropped exotics hostage

[sleek plover]

Hamsters are known hoarders. There were even propaganda poster featuring hamster as a wartime hoarder.

[sick lantern]

after extensive research (one google search for “notable scavenger species”) i have concluded that The Raccoons would be more appropriate

whilst still comedic

[nocturne arrow]

That's the Underground. The Trash Pandas.

And likely where we had that garbage bag outfit from the Fairview Apparel event.

[gusty fulcrum]

what is vexix

[sick lantern]

Medical company

[nocturne arrow]

Vaccine development company. Pharmaceutical company.

[gusty fulcrum]

where is this mentioned

[nocturne arrow]

Division 1.

[gusty fulcrum]

ah

[nocturne arrow]

But as an ECHO recording. Rick Velassi series

The whistleblower tied to Vexis had a traffic accident. Unlucky, really.

As to whether that was intentional, who knows? But Vexis were on the verge of developing a vaccine for the Green Poison back while it was still raging, or perhaps before Black Friday, it's been a while since I last went through the Intel.

The data, however, is now in the possession of Rick Velassi, as he picked it off the whistleblower's roadkilled corpse.

[sick lantern]

Vexix had important data for a potential cure but were chasing profits by just treating symptoms
Judy Walters contacts Rick, swipes the data, tries to run, dies tragically

[nocturne arrow]

As to what we'll do, or what's going to happen to it, I suppose Ubisoft will just let that thread hang and rot.

[sick lantern]

the BSAV got cooked up between games not even on screen so probably will never be relevant

unless the BSAV don’t actually work and need further research

but I doubt the writers GAF

[cold quiver]

I am so happy we're getting a Division 3! And if I have to, I WILL buy the HUNK/Umbrella Operative set again!

I NEED IT IN MY LIFE. Division and any game I can play Hunk is the closest I will get for owning IRL gear that looks just like it.

[gusty fulcrum]

theres no confirmation of a division 3

[cold quiver]

I beg to differ, batt.

Several sources and Ubisoft have confirmed it, quietly. But it's a long ways off.

Gonna get Heartland and Resurgence released a good while before Div3.

[gusty fulcrum]

ubisoft said theyll work on getting a team together after outlaws is complete

they never confirmed it

[cold quiver]

Then every source is lying like hell.

[gusty fulcrum]

oh totally

whatever gets the clicks

[cold quiver]

Eurogamer, Engadget, Kotaku, Insider Gaming, VideoGamer, and several dozen more.

[gusty fulcrum]

mhm

[cold quiver]

And Ubisoft themselves.

[gusty fulcrum]

this is what ubisoft said?

do you want a direct quote or

[cold quiver]

Nah, doesn't matter at this point, hopes dashed.

[gusty fulcrum]

:p

[cold quiver]

If they're not going to confirm it, cancel it right now if they're not going to be honest, for fecks sake.

Yes, that's an actual word, not a circumvention. Very popularized in the show "Father Ted."

Arrite, BATT, heading to bed. Going to count sheep in my sleep like a mad Welsh.

[gusty fulcrum]

idk what batt means

[cold quiver]

Basically butt or just random term of endearment or annoyment.

Just for lols.

[gusty fulcrum]

ah

[radiant citrus]

So... just for clarification that I understand this season. We've rescued 4 of our people who were abducted after last season and what happened with the whole stovepipe business. And... now apparently we may have a spy or something in our midst?

[gusty fulcrum]

who said spy

[radiant citrus]

Well. Maybe not spy, but black tusk are definitely up to something. Given that the end dialogue states that "the asset is in place" so either it's referring to a potential spy or something, or, it's referring to us as the sheriff somehow

[gaunt ice]

inb4 the asset is just the hunter drone and its all a suspend bait

[radiant citrus]

Cause it's not the first time bt have called us an asset, cause they do in combat dialogue

[gusty fulcrum]

i dont remember this end dialogue what are you referring to

[gaunt ice]

end cutscene of this season

[radiant citrus]

After you rescue Mari, end cutscene

[gusty fulcrum]

right

i barely remember this at all

can someone try to jog my memory lol

[gaunt ice]

https://youtu.be/Ey6KPSx9vCo?si=l7MhsvgJ4MGo8EMl

lol the poster's comment was that pregnant women in media always gets killed but the kid is intact

[radiant citrus]

So, during the stovepipe manhunt, BT attacked the whitehouse, to try and kill Bardon, cause he's comatose. But that failed. So instead they took Mari, John Yazzie, Uh, the doctor bloke and the student girl who runs the radio show, along with the outcast's strategist. Uh... Harlan or something

[gusty fulcrum]

thanks a bunch mate

[gusty fulcrum]

and malik + tchernenko (who they still have)

[radiant citrus]

We rescued the 4 civvies but not Harlan. And Malik I'll give you but I thought that the virologist was rescued during Coney Island?

[late void]

And the reactor thing from DARPA

Thing they took our drone controller too

[gusty fulcrum]

you realize all this happened after wony right lmao

[radiant citrus]

Yeah, I know, but meh. Hard to keep track sometimes of who we've rescued and who we haven't, people get abducted a lot...

We really need better security. And no the JTF don't count. They couldn't keep water in a bucket.

[gaunt ice]

they took most of the important people,the one that are the cogs

ight that's...that's fair automod

also they took the bioreactor

[radiant citrus]

Lol, get noped. And seriously? So they've got the antivirals, they've got pretty much everyone who's actually essential to us except Manny and Michael bay's whiteboard obsessed daughter.

[gusty fulcrum]

BUT THEY DIDNT TAKE MY FOXES

which is all that matters

:)

[gaunt ice]

yea the priorities are all screwed up

[gusty fulcrum]

you cant just spawn people in

[radiant citrus]

And yes, I do mean Kelso. Just to clarify, but tell me I'm wrong.

[gaunt ice]

firstly they took down the SHD network,the “Countermeasure” the grunts mentioned and DC is running off of a mobile server

secondly they also trashed the white house

[gusty fulcrum]

thats.... a briefcase

[gaunt ice]

same thing

DC’s survival hinges on a briefcase

[radiant citrus]

Tbf, I think they did the network first because otherwise we'd co-ordinate a proper defensive. Not that we exactly have the people for that anyway...

[gaunt ice]

think about it,what we should have done is reactivate the network and then reclaim the more important shit

[gusty fulcrum]

i think we should move the fucking network out of the jefferson trade centre

WHICH GOT CHEMICAL BOMBED, KEEP IN MIND

[gaunt ice]

not finding Manny’s wife or like 4 normal people

[gusty fulcrum]

i mean it difficult to reactivate something that could be blown to smithereens for all we know

[gaunt ice]

like maybe we should find the Outcast strategist and have him help us coordinate against the BT,or Cindy for drones

noooo we need fish tacos

[gaunt ice]

eh its not like we can

[gusty fulcrum]

fish tacos > war

[gaunt ice]

so true

the fate of the United States of America<fish tacos :D

genuinely do Mexicans even eat tacos with fish

[radiant citrus]

Meh... we tried to reactivate it before, but look how that turned out.

[sick lantern]

the counterattack shall be fuelled by hearty fish tacos in the bellies of warriors

[gaunt ice]

America deserve it tbh they put pineapple on pizzas

[gaunt ice]

next season instead of finding 5 people we just find 4 fish tacos and a crate of it

the Cleaners in the incursion will use fish taco seeker mines

[radiant citrus]

Plus, I don't think it's exactly easy for us to reactivate anyway lol, also let's not forget that BT now have the hunters, true sons and rogue agents to boot.

[gaunt ice]

with extra chili sauce

[sick lantern]

oh yea those rogues didn't get explained...

[gaunt ice]

stomped,stomped,stomped,next

[radiant citrus]

We're basically fighting a losing battle if we face em head on lol

[gaunt ice]

its just sheer plot armor at this point

like this entire debacle ended the moment we returned to DC

[sick lantern]

doesn't really matter cus this is the second time it's gone down to literally zero consquence

[gaunt ice]

it should have been game over the moment they have a damn Razorback infront of the white house

[radiant citrus]

Fair point. And oh yeah, shouldn't we uh... move that thing? Even if it's deactivated I'm not sure how I feel about that thing spoiling the lawn lol

[gaunt ice]

we can use it in the future :copium:

[radiant citrus]

Also. I hate drones. So I hate that thing on principle.

[gaunt ice]

the JTF’s sheer incompetence will never cease to amaze me

[sick lantern]

it'll take three more seasons to finish castle rebuild, then six more to start and finish razorback rebuild

[radiant citrus]

Funny thing is they don't even like us cause we're division agents.

[gaunt ice]

yea guys remember when we raided the airport used as a black tusk experimental weapon test site and we got nothing from it?

[radiant citrus]

At this point, we'd be better off just leaving the white house and going there, or better yet, to the ironworks that we cleared out and have legit just... left there? Completely unattended?

Or double down on the castle, the campus and the theatre. At this point, the white house is just... there. Not like there's anything there to defend. Aside from Manny and his map of toys

Which he could just... move...?

BT knows all too well how to get in there. They invade the white house like it's going out of style at this point...

[gaunt ice]

Peacekeepers are more competent and they are civilian militias

[radiant citrus]

Speaking of which, the castle has literal mortars. Yet we don't exactly double down on making that our base. For the most part, nobody even knows how we get in or out of there in canon.

The white house meanwhile just has... a couple of gates that stop nothing, and... again. Manny's map.

[gaunt ice]

also the forever not rotting corpse infront of the white house

at this point she’s just faking it

[radiant citrus]

Lol, honestly I know that she went a bit cray cray for coco pops but, I'm really beginning to see Lau's point.

No wonder agents are going rogue en masse at this point. Even they know we're doomed if we stay under directive 51

[gaunt ice]

literally the Batman:Under the Red Hood debate lmao

Lau’s entire argument is that the Division has no balls like how Jason said Batman has no balls

and they are both correct lmao

[radiant citrus]

Not just that but... the rogue network actually... works? Like, legit, Parnell made that thing in essentially a backyard workshop. And it's miles ahead of what Isac is. Even though it's built off his network and is still very much active.

[gaunt ice]

“noooo we cant kill the president even if he’s not actually and a traitor to a country plotting to overthrow the government using foreign forces for a hostile takeover its wrongggg😢😢”

[gaunt ice]

sighs

did you get the descent audio logs

[radiant citrus]

Nope. Can't get nemesis to spawn, and aside from lore, until the next season drops, rewards are too inconsistent to bother rn

[gaunt ice]

Parnell literally stole ANNA and claimed it to be her own cuz guess what

this smuck named Ortiz and his wife made everything that the Division,Black Tusk,and Hunters use prior to everything under McManus’s request

[radiant citrus]

Lol

[gaunt ice]

it went from Q branch to DARPA and now a random couple

Ortiz:Exuro is based off of that too

basically ANNA was made for agents originally but Mr Ortiz has the dumb idea of “what if its too smart” and made ISAC which is basically an inferior version

also the Black Tusk has their own network called Diamonds

[radiant citrus]

Ah yeah, diamond. I honestly forgot about diamond because frankly I don't believe anything has come of it.

[gaunt ice]

the Descent audio log also explores some side lores like McManus being incompetent at his job letting the Amherst guy release the dollar flu

Conley used to work for Ortiz

[sick lantern]

if Diamond has any importance then it may just be the biggest ass pull in the franchise. how could they have been using it all this time but we didn't know

like if BT datagloves house Diamond the same way watches do ISAC

how

[gaunt ice]

i always thought that its implied that way since you can always see a logo on their weird shoulder light thing

[sick lantern]

or do they just confine it to the servers at home and do nothing with it lol? Diamond VPN

[gaunt ice]

like i was under the impression that the black tusk has their own network

[sick lantern]

does Diamond drive Warhounds?

[gaunt ice]

“we need to extract the bioreactor but first a word from our sponsor,Diamond VPN”

[gaunt ice]

its not that unbelievable tbh

like SHD tech has its own targeting system and all,ISAC just seems like the main interface

so i can probably think the same for Diamond

[sick lantern]

but how did we never know til now. did no one ever look at a CPU from a Warhound? ISAC never tried to bypass and encountered unexpectedly high resistance?

[gaunt ice]

its just that Diamond never had a story impact so it doesn’t matter

[gaunt ice]

sheer plot armor

[radiant citrus]

I mean... Isac is just an A.I made by winrar, so it doesn't even have Bluetooth lol. And they put him in a smart watch, that... I'm pretty sure can't even tell time

[gaunt ice]

like we raided the airport why didn’t we salvage anything from it?
cuz we are dumb,and the writers are also not good

like can you imagine how much better off we’ll be if we can have a functional Razorback protecting the white house?

[radiant citrus]

Half kidding ofc. But fr, Isac is not exactly great as far as A.I goes... fairly sure even Siri would make a better A.I at this point...

I mean for what it's worth, we have a razorback... just not a working one...

Cause it's just sat on the lawn collecting dust

[sick lantern]

we better pick the Ortiz couple up out a bunker or some shit and make them fix it

[radiant citrus]

We sure they're even alive?

[late void]

We get Cindy back and she gets it functioning and just does all the main missions for us using a fleet of drones

[radiant citrus]

Honestly, as much as I hate drones...? I'm okay with this.

[late void]

Just wandering around picking up all the loot

[gaunt ice]

“aw dang it,im out of mortars people to kill 😔”

[radiant citrus]

Tbf, that was BT's fault, not hers

They didn't pack enough mortars

[topaz cosmos]

Guys, anyone knows why I can't equip p320 xcompact pistol? It's a gunner pistol, and gunner specialization is active, i upgraded the pistol's perk in the gunner perk tree and it's level 40 now but i still can't equip it, is that a bug or do i have to do something? Thanks!

[spare arrow]

are you level 40?

[topaz cosmos]

I'm at world tier 5 and my score is 476, don't know where to know my level

[spare arrow]

Your level is 30. Level 40 and its gear is only able to be reached by players who own the Warlords of New York DLC and have completed the DLC's full storyline.

[topaz cosmos]

Ooooooooooh!

I have the dlc but thought to start it a bit later

[spare arrow]

The specialization pistols were given an extra level to bump them up from WT5 to level 40 so they can still be used- take a level off the pistol and it will let you use it.

[topaz cosmos]

Damn bro! Thank you so much! You're a legend!

[spare arrow]

For any further questions though, ask in #unofficial-troubleshooting for technical questions or #ask-td2-community for general stuff. Good hunting, Agent.

[topaz cosmos]

Thank you so much brother 🙏🏻

[spare arrow]

no worries bro

[sleek plover]

Aspect! Ur back!

[spare arrow]

i've been back?

well technically i never left, but anyways

[cold bramble]

"The Division" IP is NOT CANON, as made explicit by "Splinter Cell: Dragonfire" novel. I wonder about Faye Lau, though...

[gusty fulcrum]

Wdym ip

[cold bramble]

?

[gusty fulcrum]

What

[cold bramble]

Wdym??

[gusty fulcrum]

you said IP

wdym by that

[sick lantern]

Intellectual Property

[gusty fulcrum]

not sure what that means

i know what intelllectual property is

[sick lantern]

they said The Division IP is not canon to to “the clancyverse”/the Tom Clancy brand/ etc

[gusty fulcrum]

arent the novels not canon themselves

[cold bramble]

THIS!

Splinter Cell novels set after "Splinter Cell: Conviction" are all canon.

[cold bramble]

wdym is "what do you mean", yes? Looks like it!

[gusty fulcrum]

?

[ivory solar]

Well maybe it’s not canon because the division is a whole different ip

You didn’t need a novel to tell you that

And events in other games are never said to have happened here

That was obvious since the first game

[spare arrow]

its not canon to the rest of the clancyverse but its canon to its own universe/timeline/whatever you wanna call it

glad we had this conversation, a lot has been covered here of great importance.

[fast wharf]

Canon or not it got really great story tbh

Division is way too criminaly underated

[gusty fulcrum]

a few days ago i mentioned in #td2-general-chat that the division universe was based on and references political tension in america, and people thought i was crazy

[fast wharf]

I think that's actually true

[gusty fulcrum]

it is lmao

division 2 factions are just political parties with different beliefs

[fast wharf]

Because what if amnherst tried to kill or make the president not be voted or something

[gusty fulcrum]

thats just, whats the word, conspiracy

[fast wharf]

Xd

[fast wharf]

Ain't hyenas criminals?

[gusty fulcrum]

hyenas are anarchist, true sons and black tusk are dictatorial, outcasts fight for justice

[fast wharf]

Oh

They're anarchists

[gusty fulcrum]

and we are democratic

[gusty fulcrum]

ever listened to their prop broadcasts? they literally have the "fuck it, drugs till we die" mentality

[fast wharf]

Tbh even without military training hyenas find a way to be terrorising

[gusty fulcrum]

"live life to its fullest" type of thing

[fast wharf]

Yeah i Heard one where they team killed for medications

[gusty fulcrum]

anarchism

[fast wharf]

🗿

[gusty fulcrum]

cleaners are a bit of an odd one because they have a good cause in mind

[fast wharf]

A good cause which is not good at all

[gusty fulcrum]

but it makes you realize that at the end of the day, we are all human

[fast wharf]

Burning every infected thing would make things toxic

[gusty fulcrum]

eradication of a plague-like disease?

[gusty fulcrum]

good idea bad execution

[fast wharf]

And because of that corpse bags that are made of plastic they literally fuck everything

Burning plastic isn't a good thing to breathe

[gusty fulcrum]

fire is quick n easy

they dont hurt people if they arent infected or "in the way"

they arent bad people, they think of it as a "sacrifice"

specific example being Joe Ferro

[fast wharf]

Exactly but due to the fact that corpses in a bag (which can be found in missions and streets) that are burning will end up very badly

[fast wharf]

As it will make the area around toxic

[gusty fulcrum]

plastic is not that toxic lmao

[fast wharf]

It's kinda bad tho

[gusty fulcrum]

not that much

[fast wharf]

Birb

What if exposed for too long

For the burning plastic

[gusty fulcrum]

they wear masks lol

[late void]

in Div 1 they seem super focused on the idea of eradicating it from NY as if it hadn't already spread to the rest of the country (and world)

[spare arrow]

hate to be that guy but that isnt really anarchy

[gusty fulcrum]

but you still get what im coming from

just political banter with guns

[gusty fulcrum]

i mean did they know it spread to the rest of the country?

as far as they are concerned there aint anything outside manhattan

[fast wharf]

Ik

But for the civilians and agents

[gusty fulcrum]

do they burn bodybags with civilians standing over top of them sniffing the fumes profusely? no? then they are prolly fine lmao

ive looked pretty heavily into toxicity of plastic fumes

[fast wharf]

mmm fume

[spare arrow]

oh i dont care about that, i'm saying most anarchists will disagree with you over saying anarchists just want to "fuck it drugs till we die"

[gusty fulcrum]

its a hyperbole

[spare arrow]

Back to div lore and not bird lore

yea dont

[sick lantern]

totalitarian or authoritarian is the word you’re looking for

[gusty fulcrum]

thanks

BT is totalitarian and TS is authoritarian

[fast wharf]

Awww

: (

[sick lantern]

phoenix logo means div lore is bird lore

[spare arrow]

phoenix is fine, other birds no

[fast wharf]

C'mon they're cute admit it

[gusty fulcrum]

okay so hear me out

[spare arrow]

Birds being cute has nothing to do with this channel's purpose. Keep it on topic.

[sick lantern]

I like how div 1 had logo symbolism (phoenix, bird skull for LMB, fox for Hunters which eat birds) and then div 2 is just like “yea the BT’s logo is a diamond lmao”

[fast wharf]

Funi diamond

[gusty fulcrum]

then hunters nobody can agree on

speaking of, aspect i have a question 🤣

to be fair its hella minimalistic

[fast wharf]

Technically foxes 75% of the time don't go on group, that explains why hunters mostly are alone

Some hunters are in groups

[gusty fulcrum]

🦊

not fox

badger

🦡

[sick lantern]

like it probably is supposed to be a wolf you know wolf pack, hunters, but it looks pretty bad if so

no one can convince me it’s not a fox

[gusty fulcrum]

nah badger makes more sense

[fast wharf]

Infact foxes are quick, stealthy and kills fastly before the victim knows what hit her Just like hunters do, appear, kill quick, disappear

[gusty fulcrum]

meet like any fox ever

they do not behave like them

[fast wharf]

Foxes ain't bloodthirsty

[sick lantern]

well yea foxes don’t have tomahawks and EMPs

[fast wharf]

Hunters are

[gusty fulcrum]

i literally know more about foxes than probably 90% of this server

[sick lantern]

we know Massive likes Metal Gear so it being a fox would be another reference too

[gusty fulcrum]

exception being my friend markowe

[fast wharf]

foxes cute

[sick lantern]

hunters also cute :3 * ruptures ur skull cutely *

[gusty fulcrum]

i seriously always thought it was a bat

[fast wharf]

That's wolfes then

[gusty fulcrum]

tell me im not crazy that looks like a bat

[fast wharf]

Infact wolfes became dogs or something like that

[gaunt ice]

like most fictional PMCs they have edgy logos for no reason

is diamond meant to be like "oh wow the elite's private army" or something

[sick lantern]

they're the Google PMC cus they got that overly minimalist logo

[little pendant]

ʳⁱᵏᵉʳˢ ᵃʳᵉ ᵏⁱⁿᵈᵃ ᶜᵒᵒˡ

[sleek plover]

Tbh I agree

I love how their masks look

[surreal hearth]

Freaking military tech raiders as Mari calls them

Natalya called us a bunch of bottle waters while Mari calls them tech raiders

[mint citrus]

Like the Brotherhood of Steel

[surreal hearth]

Yeah but they don’t go around killing people for seeing them wrong

[slow rose]

lmfao i didn't even know this was possible: https://youtu.be/S4ocorWaDkU?si=qiHxJtBzkNavr0An

[gusty fulcrum]

yeah you can herd enemies into the safe zones

[heavy valley]

So lore wise ik it's late but why can the cleaners sometimes spawn in dc

[ashen jungle]

Well the Outcasts canonically had a boat to leave the city, so it stands to reason that Cleaners found one somewhere out on the water and did it up.
I like to think it's one of those big river taxi's from Dark Knight.

[heavy valley]

But I thought we destroyed them at the event center an Roosevelt island

[ashen jungle]

There's a side mission where you break another one (one of the deluxe edition ones, on the west side of the DC map), so there's likely to be more out there.

[heavy valley]

Oh the classified assignment by dz west?

[nocturne arrow]

Lorewise, I think the reason Cleaners can spawn in DC, isn't because the NYC Cleaners got on a boat to DC, but because the Cleaner cause is gaining traction among DC's sanitation workers as well. Their message of grim resolve to burn out the disease can prove to be an attractive cause, especially with grief stricken survivors.

Additionally, there is cause to take up the Cleaner cause in DC, particularly when going up in opposition to the Outcasts. Revenge against these diseased, Al-Qaeda-esque terrorists could motivate some people to give them a taste of flamer fuel.

While JTF believe or know that Green Poison has burned itself out, not everyone would believe it themselves, more so from the JTF who have all but pulled out from DC, save the White House. Even more so when the Outcasts have been trying to spread GP, with, or without Emeline Shaw.

The Cleaners provide an alternative faction to join against the Cleaners, who aren't the True Sons, nor the Hyenas (terrible choice if you want to conduct vigilantism, honestly).

[late void]

Jupiter brought a bunch of them up to DC with her during the events of her manhunt. It seems some of them stuck around.

[lone salmon]

"it's like life is so beautiful it's perpetual summer"

hmm

[candid vine]

Division resurgence release date anyone ?

[spare arrow]

nah

[raw yew]

Is vikram the guy from odea

[late void]

Yes, the one who betrayed us

But then he also betrayed bt at one point, then it was heavily implied that he betrayed us again around the time of the kidnapping

[shy ridge]

I can’t believe that all these seasons have technically happened over 2 months

[sick lantern]

anything to justify the weather not changing

[marble dawn]

still pretty warm for actober

agent needs some rest though with these back to back manhunts in a few days

[fallen gate]

Is there lore behind hunter appearing on cleaners side in a new incursion?

[gaunt ice]

Time loop

[gaunt ice]

I dont think thats a hunter thats just a deranged dude

Its implied that the black tusk funded the cleaners for this attack,makes sense why they have new gear like those auto turrets at the gate,miniguns and armor

[fallen gate]

I haven't got a look at him close yet but his tech and mask implies he's a hunter basically, i thought so at least

[fallen gate]

Huh, then maybe they upgraded their top tier unit to hunter

Or borrowed one for a mission

[gaunt ice]

I mean Black Tusk has massive resources so it wouldn’t be a stretch to say the hunter gears are sponsored by black tusk

[ivory solar]

And the Hunter is wearing what looks like Black Tusk armor

[fast wharf]

Who's the recruiter Hunter?

I mean his name already reveals what he does

But in a audio it's said that it's hard to find hunter level people

It looks like that we got time to kill him

: D

[gaunt ice]

hunters are McManus’s personal army and i doubt they would employ a maniac to be in their ranks

granted some Hunters are mentally unstable but their combat strategy probably doesn’t involve setting yourself on fire and running around with an axe

[fast wharf]

That would be the most scary thing i've seen

[nocturne arrow]

McManus already said that he has Hunters already embedded in Black Tusk personnel, Sokolova just doesn't know who, and he's not telling.

As for the probability of a Hunter setting himself on fire, could be using a Gear Set, probably. We already have nutty gear sets, just that Hunters may have even nuttier sets than we do.

[gaunt ice]

i meant the other way around,as in the likes of Wright would never be qualified to be a hunter

[nocturne arrow]

There's also the possibility that Wright was mentally stable enough to be a Hunter, INITIALLY, but as time went off, like Rogue Agents, they went nuts.

[sick lantern]

why would the Black Tusk support the Cleaners to go mess up some random settlement including sending a Hunter who's so coked up he ditches using EMPs and skills in favour of setting himself on fire and using a battle axe?

personally I don't think they're involved lol

[gaunt ice]

well the audio logs scattered around the place has conversations between Natalya and the mayor's owner Ms Mackenzie

and the Cleaners are using Black Tusk gears

[sick lantern]

i forgot about the logs

[gaunt ice]

its mostly "implied" but thats because i still have 2 audio logs to get

like minigun cleaners,automated turrets,Wright is wearing a Black Tusk heavy armor

and the entire op is just odd from the start since Cleaners not torching the place to the ground is not their MO at all

[sick lantern]

you mean the person who owned the building pre outbreak or the leader of the settlement

[gaunt ice]

both the same person

[sick lantern]

well parts of it are on fire

[gaunt ice]

only parts of it

[sick lantern]

yea lol

[gaunt ice]

the entire place is mostly intact

they burnt down Coney Ballpark in a night

i don't think burning the manor is impossible

[fallen gate]

Maybe it was a trap to kill of our agents

That's why there were little to no fire

Cleaners without their usual bombs

And cleaners shooting a truck to explode it in the middle of the mane

The truck is the most obvious thing leading to a trap

[sick lantern]

seems a rather poorly laid out trap

[fallen gate]

Cleaners suck at traps

[sick lantern]

"ok boys here's the trap... there's some turrets, and they'll walk towards them and get shot"
"what if they live?"
"ok we got a truck comin... we'll leave it there, and then... shoot it!"
"why not blow it up with bombs"
"moss left em at home ok so if they survive THAT... we got a crazy guy in the basement with an axe and he sets himself on fire lmao"
"yea but there's sprinklers down there that can specifcally counteract him, this is a really shit trap"
"ok then the old married couple in the back have uhhh idfk some drones"

[fallen gate]

Yeah all of the incursion is like wtf is going on

Why the hell were we defending the bomb truck, killing the hunter and rogues in one mission

It's like that image "random bullshit go"

At that point I'll just wait for NGN video to explain the genius behind that mission

[gaunt ice]

what if its meant to be a distraction from something else

like the Cleaners aren't there to destroy viruses or whatever or even seem to care that much about burning the place down

Kelso pointed out its not their MO too

they're more Hyena than Cleaner if you think about it

[sick lantern]

could've been a Hyenas incursion really, have the Black Tusk "protect"/occupy the settlement which explains the comms, the Hyenas show up and go Clear Sky on their asses as revenge for having their support cut off, and utilise the stockpiles of BT technology, and knowing the Hyenas are even bigger pricks and without the BT "protecting" them that's when the survivors call for help

one of the surviving council members could've been the end boss

damage immunity phases? that's when they huff spice

[sick lantern]

seriously when are they gonna do something with those loose ends...

fuckin Harlan Lloyd comes back but not them lol

maybe they're testing the waters for Incursions and the next one will be a Hyenas or Outcasts one

god knows we don't need a third Rikers Incursion just yet

[gaunt ice]

inb4 tunneldudes incursion\

though fr would be cool if we have black tusk allies there,fighting the common enemy

or a 3 way massacre

[gusty fulcrum]

Did I miss something or is the whole reason they raided the estate "just because"

[fallen gate]

Basically

[sick lantern]

"just because" would be the Incursion way after all
idk what's in the collectibles with Sokolova and the settlement leader tho

[kind hare]

Unfortunately could be waiting a while, I'm still building a team! #SoloPlayerProblems 😅

[fallen gate]

Good luck! Hope you enjoy incursion and all the lore behind it

[tepid crescent]

Zodiac and Mayhem are still missing Indeed

[ashen jungle]

I'll start.
@frosty shuttle @lusty locust I personally dislike the BT outfits because they misuse sthe scarves.

[somber axle]

lol true

[frosty shuttle]

L take, BT has best uniforms except for LMB Specials

True Sons have the worst imo

[ashen jungle]

LMB look like someone is trying to take a pfp on myspace and claim that they're spec-ops because they went to basic training.

[frosty shuttle]

LMAOO

[lusty locust]

Lmao

[frosty shuttle]

true!!

but also to answer you fexxy I honestly don't think going Rogue would be good story wise

unless you take the Keener-pill what reason would it be?

Faye was larping

[ashen jungle]

Going rogue is an entirely other game, it's just not a thing that would work for the story in div2, no matter how weird it's been getting.

[somber axle]

The arguement of letting BT have legitemacy like even Mari bringing it up is just Natalya getting into everyone's heads.

Everyone just conveniently forgetting all the shit BT did in year 1

besides Manny

Manny 'members

[ashen jungle]

I just want our Agent to go "ya know they supplied all the factions that tried to kill us, right?"

[lusty locust]

Faye went rogue cause divison failed to protect her sister right?

[somber axle]

like atleast Cindy had the common sense to go "yeah these guys are full of it"

Mari is brainwashed

[frosty shuttle]

Mari was kinda annoying in the ending cutscenes TBH

but I will do anything to safe Cindy

@ashen jungle didn't the government in the Division know about Amherst?

[somber axle]

It's a little more complicated but sorta basically yeah

[frosty shuttle]

during the NSA classified mission pretty sure this was mentioned

what if here me out. some part of the US government knew about Amherst but didn't say anything and actually used it as a way to plot a regime change

[sick lantern]

that's not a theory, it's canon lol

[lusty locust]

How entirely different we talking about

[somber axle]

sounds like a bit of manipulation left over from Ellis

[sick lantern]

i'm not the biggest fan of that fact but it is

[frosty shuttle]

like before the events of the Green Poison even happening

[frosty shuttle]

I mean it's the most logical way of doing it(and prolly most realistic too lul)

[lusty locust]

Also if u turn rogue, can u go bk to being a regular agent or is it permanent?

[frosty shuttle]

I don't think going Rogue would work

people want it but I don't see how it would work storywise

[somber axle]

I mean

if DZ mechanics are anything to go by

Rogue status can be reverted

[frosty shuttle]

DZ mechanics aren't canon

[ashen jungle]

@frosty shuttle Kinda. the CIA in that one classified mission "knew" about his craziness, but they sorta ignored him as a threat.
@lusty locust I will avoid talking about my own game concept again, but Division: Rogue is still a "i hope one day" thing for me.

[lusty locust]

Lol

[somber axle]

Idk if we have an out of DZ example of rogue status being reverted though

[frosty shuttle]

coulda been deeper since it was the BT there during the mission

[lusty locust]

It sounds like a very fun concept, like imagine something tragic happens to us and we go rogue, but we are still "supporting the divison" like a double agent

[ashen jungle]

"never attribute to malics what can easily be explained by stupidity"
although this is a Tom Clancy style overplot, so

[frosty shuttle]

forgot what BT was doing there in the first place

[frosty shuttle]

but how would it work?

[ashen jungle]

Day 1 you'd walk near the DZ and get turned into swiss cheese.

[frosty shuttle]

as I said except for taking the Keener-pill(why would you?) there's really no way of making a Rogue agent work in the story

unless like you were forced rogue or something

[lusty locust]

Prob get access to the rogue agent network and maybe have stuff for ourselves, like skills to hack enemies electronics like rogues can do

It's hard to say tbh

[somber axle]

I just imagine yeah we gain access to the network and would be given the green light for an undercover operation

[ashen jungle]

I was under the impression that it was just Hunters who could hack our skills.

[somber axle]

Idk if you'd really need to be Keener-pilled for it to work narritively

[lusty locust]

Keener can hack skills

[ashen jungle]

Keener is a walking sack of plot-armour.
I mean any others?

[lusty locust]

Lmao

[frosty shuttle]

Keener set the precedent for Rogues

[somber axle]

Yeah but it's not the only example of becoming Rogue

[frosty shuttle]

I don't see how you can go Rogue and be part of KEENER'S Rogue Network

[somber axle]

you can go rogue simply by ignoring a directive if you wanna get to the simplistics

[lusty locust]

Good point, I don't think other rogues can hack skills

[frosty shuttle]

like the most I can think of is being another kind of Rogue

[somber axle]

Like say

[frosty shuttle]

like Faye went rogue but was totally against Keener and company

[somber axle]

things go really really bad

[frosty shuttle]

and wanted to carry out the Division mission

[ashen jungle]

Not 100% accurate. See, Sawyer didn't go Rogue and she's technically off mission.

[somber axle]

Natalya gains legitimacy and convinces the Division to undertake a mission that is hella sketchy

You could just ignore the directive knowing better

And be branded a Rogue possibly

[ashen jungle]

Although I think that Sawyer is kinda forgotten, unless it's explained in some later comm somewhere.

[frosty shuttle]

but that wouldn't be actually going Rogue

that would be the Division going Rogue

not you the Agent going rogue

[somber axle]

That's what I'm saying

like your Agent specifically catches a whiff of the sketchy while the rest of the Division doesn't

[frosty shuttle]

cause ISAC would turn against you but you wouldn't join Keener's network so you're literally screwed

[lusty locust]

Or wat if keener watch finally gave us access to the rogue agent network, and we do missions n stuff base off it

[frosty shuttle]

Manny is the Division

[lusty locust]

That would he cool

[somber axle]

Manny has plenty of dumb moments

it's not completely out of character

[ashen jungle]

ISAC having an argument with ANNA every time we do something for either of them.
I am down with that, even if it makes 0 sense.

[frosty shuttle]

I mean maybe they hinted at it with him not caring about letting the Black Tusks take over

Mari's kid might be the reason he wants out

[lusty locust]

Lmao

[somber axle]

Manny has been like 1 step behind for years now

[frozen linden]

I thought going Rogue was literally just ISAC deciding you were no longer following his set of rules?

[ashen jungle]

ISAC doesn't make the rules.

[frosty shuttle]

plot twist: he's the ultimate baddie and was playing 4d chess

[somber axle]

that would give a decent morally ambiguitive reason to go rogue

Manny is in control but isn't a good guy

[ashen jungle]

If Garrus turns out to be the villain of div2, I am deleting my uplay account.

[frozen linden]

Wasn’t there a descent comm talking about how an agent breaking into a pharmacy to heal themself would mark them as rogue?

[somber axle]

tricks everyone into thinking you're a traitor

[ashen jungle]

That would be entirely counter to how loads of other Agents have been handled and stayed on-mission.

[frozen linden]

Which is why ISAC was considered too much blunt to understand nuance and the second system was coded?

Can’t remember which descent comm it was.

[frosty shuttle]

but that would be a cop out

[somber axle]

That's the line of thought I was thinking of with just ignoring a directive and being branded rogue

like it's a directive ISAC is coded to believe is like the utmost importance

[frosty shuttle]

when people want you the player to go rogue, they want it to be a conscious moral decision

[ashen jungle]

I just want to say, very proud of everyone here for spelling "Rogue" correctly.

[somber axle]

and you say nah that shit is sketchy so ISAC gets mad

[frosty shuttle]

who spells it Rogeu?

Rowg

[frozen linden]

Nothing pisses me off more than seeming Rouge

[somber axle]

Rouge

[frosty shuttle]

yikesss

wonder how they would spell rouge then

[ashen jungle]

Yep, that's the one. And everytime someone does I just imagine all the agents in way too much make-up.

[somber axle]

lmao

[lusty locust]

There people who misspell it? Lmao

[frosty shuttle]

that's a big yikes if you spell it Rouge

[ashen jungle]

I had it as my name for a while (before I was a mod) and I'm pretty sure they were considering banning me.
Entirely fair.

[frosty shuttle]

but the Division definitely is having a conspiracy going on

[frozen linden]

But yeah, back to earlier, Anna was meant to be a more nuanced version of ISAC according to descent comms.

[sick lantern]

they can, at least, they can in Div 1

[lusty locust]

But to me, I can't tell where the lore is heading tbh, at this point, division is just targeting everything where the enemies is at and gunning them down as rogue agents are sort of getting their task done

[frosty shuttle]

I thought ANNA was created by Theo Parnell

[sick lantern]

yea we all did...

[lusty locust]

It wasn't created by theo?

[sick lantern]

it was created by Ortiz Robotics

[frosty shuttle]

Descent retcon?

[sick lantern]

and is the predecessor to ISAC and is a bajillion times better and...

[frosty shuttle]

kinda weird for her to be a predecessor

[frozen linden]

ANNA was backdoored by Theo and Conley

[frosty shuttle]

unless if there was competing AI and the government chose the cheapest option

[frozen linden]

Descent comms reveal there were three AIs. ISAC, ANNA, and Diamond

[frosty shuttle]

never listened to any of them

hardly played Descent

[ashen jungle]

Brandon Keener might be too busy these days to continue voicing him, so who knows we may get more ANNA in the future.

[frozen linden]

Yeah, might want to. Cause they explain the whole operating system issue

[somber axle]

The big difference between ISAC and ANNA was ISAC was coded with the presidential directive which kinda bases his whole judgement

The will of a dead guy

[frozen linden]

^ ISAC was blunt in following the presidential directive

[lusty locust]

Lol when everyone in here wants to be against the division now

[frosty shuttle]

ISAC is also prolly cheaper

[somber axle]

iirc ISAC was given the presidential directive in secret too

like only a few people knew the plan

[frosty shuttle]

he definitely has some directive that is gonna do something sus

[somber axle]

Waller and like only a handful of other people who are probably already dead really know what ISAC's intentions are supposed be

[lusty locust]

Lmao imagine "isac goes rogue"

[frosty shuttle]

Sokolova has some master plan going on

pretty sure she wanted Mari to get returned

[somber axle]

Yeah something feels just off with Natalya leaving her there

with as much ease as they had extracting everyone else right over our heads

[frosty shuttle]

didnt you say Mari is brainwashed?

[somber axle]

I mean first thing as she gets back she starts spewing off about giving the Tusks legitemacy and giving them the White House

[frozen linden]

I don’t reckon Mari is brainwashed, one of the hostages we rescued is probably carrying something

[frozen linden]

Thought she was justifying why she got kidnapped

[somber axle]

She didn't really seem to mind being captive

[frozen linden]

Which was to lend the Bt legitimacy as rebuilding the nation, especially since she’s the one to tell Manny not to hand over the White House

[somber axle]

She only realized she was being rescued as soon as she got her hands on a division comm and talked to Manny again

[frosty shuttle]

but she wasnt saying this as a good thing

[frozen linden]

She’s had a history of failed pregnancies, and stressing/being a bad captive makes the chance of her new pregnancy failing even higher

[frosty shuttle]

she said she wasn't safe and was only safe cause of that psycho wanted something from her

[somber axle]

Something about the whole thing just seems off idk

maybe that little weasel with the glasses is up to something

I got my eyes on him

[frosty shuttle]

Manny was the one who wanted to give the Black Tusks the white house

[somber axle]

This would probably make more sense yeah

[frosty shuttle]

why would Vikk be instrumental to Sokolova??

[frozen linden]

Also just realised. That flamethrower BT warhound was made by Ortiz.

[somber axle]

Someone we can easily overlook

[frosty shuttle]

Division is being psyoped hard rn by Nat

[frozen linden]

And this season we get the flamethrower turret on that Bt warhound

[frosty shuttle]

Ortiz prolly was doing most of the tech cause of military contracts

[somber axle]

Someone we're gonna rescue is gonna bring an EMP into the Castle or something and open us up to attack

those mortars aint gonna help

[frosty shuttle]

was the White House the plan?

or was that also a diversion

so they could steal people

[somber axle]

most of our vital agents are being moved over to the castle by now

there's only like 3 at the whitehouse

[frosty shuttle]

they really tryna get Schaeffer whenever that dude is gonna wake up lol

[frozen linden]

Because Schaefer actually knows about the conspiracy

[frosty shuttle]

yeah I know that

[somber axle]

It would also be kinda dumb to just launch an attack on the whitehouse at this point especially now that we have artillery within range now in the Castle

[frosty shuttle]

but I'm wondering on if that's totally the thing Sokolova is after rn tying lose ends

or something else aswell

[somber axle]

like for once the Division actually has a decent preparation in place

but the question is will it even matter

[frosty shuttle]

no cause Sokolova literally has drones above it lol

that place is like totally watched

[somber axle]

it just makes the Castle a more priority target

[frosty shuttle]

or whatever they were using to spy on the Castle

[somber axle]

it wouldn't make sense to attack anywhere else if we can just bomb them now

[frosty shuttle]

Castle is honestly prolly already compromised

[frozen linden]

Also did you notice that there are 33 comms this season

[somber axle]

yea

[frozen linden]

Instead of the usual 25

Wonder how we’ll get the last 7

[frosty shuttle]

isn't it the Incursion?

[frozen linden]

Incursion gives a different set of 10

[frosty shuttle]

was forgetting the comms were pretty big number for the Seasons

[somber axle]

all i know is we sure as hell aint as safe as we think we are

[frosty shuttle]

definitely not

I think Castle isn't much of a threat to the BT as we think

like it's a good call to reinforce it and have two close proximity bases

but they're way to nonchalant about Castle rebuilding especially since they have intel superiority on it

[somber axle]

lots of people gonna die soon

calling it

[frosty shuttle]

BT kinda needs a big win, seems they been taking so many fat L's

since Tidal Basin lul

seems the Black Tusks know what they're doing this time around than previously during Invasion-Year 1

[somber axle]

yeah

it probably helps them that everyone we've failed to capture is probably backing them

like Keener

[frosty shuttle]

I mean like since Season 9 they been kinda winning

Season 11 was a W for them for once

well kinda

[somber axle]

If Keener is on their side then yeah they know a lot of the ins and outs of how the Division tick

[frosty shuttle]

Keener isn't

[somber axle]

giving them a huge information advantage

[frosty shuttle]

I don't think Keener is on their side

[somber axle]

I mean we can't say if he is or isn't

[sick lantern]

well he was fucking them over and then he died

[somber axle]

The appearance of rogue tech showing up occaisonally in BT missions is concerning

[sick lantern]

eh everyone has that nowadays lmao

[somber axle]

like the drone horde in that last manhunt

[frosty shuttle]

unless the BT were fricking him over to frick them over lul

[frosty shuttle]

I mean there were Rogues who showed up last season

[somber axle]

who gave the BT an automated Division drone defense system

thats what i wanna know

[frosty shuttle]

they did work with Rogues before

[sick lantern]

DARPA?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frosty shuttle]

so they prolly could have still had their tech

[somber axle]

that's a lot of tech to suddenly show up

[frosty shuttle]

it's one thing to just have their tech, it's another that Rogue Agents showed up during the Rescue missions last season

[somber axle]

there's that too yeah

[frosty shuttle]

and we're going back to NYC about Keener next season

[somber axle]

someone is pulling strings other than Natalya

which is hella concerning

[frosty shuttle]

I don't really think Keener is actually allied with them cause he's pretty Anarchist atp

[somber axle]

like you said Natalya is probably just the first piece of a bigger puzzle

[frosty shuttle]

McManus could be it idk

the fact we know about Nat means she isn't the uber-villain lmao

[frozen linden]

Also whoever was asking why Nat wanted Vik. He's aware of Cal and Nat's actions.

And of the three Division systems, ISAC/ANNA/Diamond.

[somber axle]

they know way more about us than we do about them at this point

[frosty shuttle]

maybe they're trying to infiltrate the systems idk

if Theo and Conley can do it

[somber axle]

and someone is feeding them that info

they don't just become completely more competent than they were Year 1 without some sorta help going on that we can't see

[frosty shuttle]

it's called new writing team

[somber axle]

Even then there's still gotta be some string of continuity

They were almost in shambles after being dismantled in Year 1

And now they're an even bigger threat than before

[frozen linden]

Once again. A writing team.

Support was meant to be dropped after the Faye manhunt, which is why we got that unsatisfying conclusion.

Then they went back and rewrote it to be a bigger conspiracy.

[somber axle]

Also the fact that they're employing the Hunter's "Recruiter" for these kidnappings is concerning

[frozen linden]

And because it's a Tom Clancy IP, it's always a deep shadow government or something.

[somber axle]

who's the Recruiter's boss

[frozen linden]

Cal.

[frosty shuttle]

yeah McManus

[frozen linden]

The Hunters work under Cal. It's why they can hack our skills, because they have access to the override Diamond AI.

[frosty shuttle]

Cal also has access too all 3 AIs

[somber axle]

McManus is probably the one telling them all our ins and outs then

[frosty shuttle]

yeah

[sick lantern]

i think the writers should've brushed up on their lore knowledge before they started writing personally...

[somber axle]

Wouldn't Natalya have some sorta tie to Keener though through her brother?

[sick lantern]

like the idea that McManus would be pulling all the strings and oversight on SHD tech dinnae make sense

[frosty shuttle]

those Rogues weren't with Keener

[sick lantern]

Felix was unactivated so he probably never met Keener

[somber axle]

Ahh alright

[frosty shuttle]

eh idk the story they're telling rn is better than the other team near the end

[sick lantern]

both statements can be true

[frosty shuttle]

ye

[sick lantern]

what we have now is easily better than the pointless meandering that was... pretty much all the content post-launch to season 4 lol

[frosty shuttle]

yeah lol

[somber axle]

mari is cringe though

the attitude in that briefing cutscene came outta nowhere

[frosty shuttle]

I thought this aswell lmao

but Manny was kind of coping hard

[somber axle]

i mean can you blame him

[frosty shuttle]

I think she went after him a bit in this new cutscene but he did need to snap out of it and get back to work

that's why I think this kid might be what could turn him to the Black Tusks since he was willing to give it up over her and the baby

[somber axle]

maybe

[gaunt ice]

That explains the incredibly douchy attitude

[frosty shuttle]

@somber axle Sokolova is trying to make Manny switch

I'm watching NGN do the story of Y5S1 and a comm he said during the Mitchell part of the Hunt said "maybe i've been wrong about her"

he's been the only one phased by Nat acting differently than what he thought

[gaunt ice]

“One phased” bro think this is destiny💀

[frosty shuttle]

I mean all the other targets you rescued thought she was lying to them and using them

but Manny took it more at face value

[urban musk]

Here's my summary of the SHD (From what I've read and pieced together).

Technically Part Of The JTF, The SHD coordinates with JTF Forces to solve the biggest of problems, Though nowadays the JTF is super stretched thin, it is now up to the division to help bring them back to full force by completing objectives given to them by ISAC, the AI computer that allows SHD agents to act autonomously but within reason. if any agent abandons the mission without proper reason or acts with malice I.E. Executing civilians and betraying the JTF, they will be marked rogue and will have a bounty on them until they are either arrested or killed. though most if not all won't go down without a fight. (I call them roguoids because it's funny and I don't like traitors).

[frosty shuttle]

they're not part of the JTF

they're government agents with the mission to restore the US Government basically

[frosty shuttle]

😵‍💫 what if I told you the Division are kind of traitors aswell?

[gaunt ice]

😭

[frosty shuttle]

[urban musk]

Not really, they don't execute civilians and blow up city hall.

[urban musk]

I said technically, they aren't entirely but they are technically apart of the JTF. JTF "Joint Task Force."

[frosty shuttle]

Rogue agents do though

and the fact the Division agents are so prone to going Rogue shows

[urban musk]

that's a Rogue Problem...

[frosty shuttle]

but again they aren't even carrying out their core mission of reestablishing the US government

[urban musk]

that isn't their only goal though.

[frosty shuttle]

yes it is

that's literally their prime mission

[urban musk]

"prime mission." what is their secondary mission? or their main mission now? save what remains.

[frosty shuttle]

all they've done was become stagnant

they're pretty much Warlords

😿 they don't follow the constitution cause they aren't democratically elected

[urban musk]

Oh really? taking on a paramilitaristic mercenary group from taking over the country in an even more facsistic manner than the entire US Gov IRL?

and that makes them stagnant?

[frosty shuttle]

Division is a paramilitary aswell

they're literally the same thing, but they're often prone to going rogue and most of the really bad stuff that happened was at the hands of the Division

they're not beholden to anyone

[urban musk]

They are, they are beholden to the president, who is supposed to serve and lead the american people.

[frosty shuttle]

uhm the President was with the Black Tusks

they went against the President and Faye killed Ellis

[urban musk]

yes, but that isn't a division problem, that is a LOYALTY and Rogue problem.

[frosty shuttle]

most Americans thinks the Division are the enemy cause of this in the lore

no that's literally a division problem cause they keep doing it lol

[urban musk]

Yes, ROGUES.

[frosty shuttle]

they keep going rogue

there is no oversight

they're like literal warlords rn

[urban musk]

I think you're a roguoid.

because there's no reason you're gunt guarding literal traitors this hard.

[frosty shuttle]

most people who are into the lore usually agree that the Division is fundementally flawed and goes against the values and the task they were set up in the first place

[urban musk]

Yes, flawed sure, but that doesn't mean they are Traitors, the rogues are because they have actively committed a crime against the american public. that's a roguoid and loyalty problem.

and I could argue that the flaws of the division are more on an individiual basis IE rogues than the whole agency itself.

[frosty shuttle]

the American public in the game don't like the Division mostly

[urban musk]

that doesn't matter. what matters is saving what remains.

[frosty shuttle]

where is the elections?

[urban musk]

I could argue the elections IRL aren't even real too.

[frosty shuttle]

Kelso is considered leader of the Division; Manny of the JTF they're literally de facto rulers without democratic legitimacy

[urban musk]

you really think the director of the CIA are elected?

[urban musk]

dude, no she isn't LOL.

there is no leader of the division, you could make a point that it's the president but he betrayed the country and he's dead... killed by a ROGUE!

[frosty shuttle]

the Mission of the Division was to reestablish the US Government

so far they're not even trying to organize settlements to become one entity

[urban musk]

No it wasn't it was to "Save what remains." that includes reestablishing the government and supporting civilian settlements with the help of the JTF and other government officials.