#division-universe

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wicked gorge
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Most of Canada survived

quasi hatch
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Sean Keegan (my personal character) dies in 2024 during a horrific event at the fairly recent established H.C.A+/jtf HQ built out of the DCD hq in atlanta georgia.

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A inside job... Some survived purposely spared by whoever commited the attack. Sean was not one of those who were spared

wicked gorge
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Jesus how could we have a spy everyone here is a loyalist

quasi hatch
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yes there was a spy. or multiple spies who knows

wicked gorge
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So your guy is a guy who joined the division or a special forces branch of the jtf?

glass kestrel
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You know, I just realized something. If the Black Tusk hadn't have knocked out the SHD Network in the beginning of Div2, D.C. would've been much easier for them to take.

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Because of the recall function calling every agent back to D.C., they accidentally called in the forces that stopped them. I think that's kinda funny.

surreal hearth
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The SHD was built on protocols we follow orders no matter how moral it gets

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Keeners motives were understandable and was the reason why other agents follow him

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It’s too bad that he couldn’t find a way to properly break the SHDs protocol and yet Natalya can but was a little too late due to a “sudden change of heart” by a handful of individuals that now wants to help the division

quasi hatch
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  • is actually suppose to be a star
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H.C.A✪

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they are not a division agent. They are a ex civilian who was recruited into the H.C.A✪ due to how they were loyal to other fellow refugees and helped some people extensively. they were recruited a while later.

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they were a refugee from 2015-early 2018. in february 2018 they were hired. meanwhile my version of division 2 takes place in june 2018

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they were in service from feburary 2018 to late 2024 when they were caught in a horrific event at the former DCD hq/new JTF hq and did not make it

quasi hatch
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division 1 to me personally takes place in january 2016 while division 2 takes place in june 2018

wicked gorge
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Im pretty sure the division 2 takes place in 2017

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Does anyone think rogues could be redeemed

quasi hatch
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well the official or atleast i think official lore is division's virus happened black friday 2015. while the game itself took place january 2016. division 2 was "7 months later" which would put it at august 2016. but this wouldnt make sense for all the overgrowth. its more like 3 years rather then 7 months

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this would put it at june-august 2018.

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that division mobile game takes place between the virus and division 1. taking place during first wave. so this would be mid-late december 2015

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division heartland is between the first and 2nd game

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division 3 itself if it ever comes out in a few years could be a full sequel taking place after the previous

ivory solar
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Heartlands is between div1 and 2

quasi hatch
ivory solar
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Yeah sure go ahead whatever you want

quasi hatch
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k ok so

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from my opinion/timeline

ivory solar
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As long as people know the difference from the official stuff to fanmade stuff it’s okay

quasi hatch
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my fan timeline = November 24th 2015 is when the green poison was released. Cases started 8 days later. shit hit the fan right after. The first wave of SHD agents were activated after the 20th of december. Division mobile game takes place between december 22nd and the 26th 2015. Division 1 is some time in january 2016. Division heartland maybe being september 2017. Division 2 is June-July 2018. Division 3 could be some point in 2020-2021

median crag
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I thought Dollar Flu had an incubation period of a week to maximize damage?

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Disregard, just saw that its your headcanon

quasi hatch
wicked gorge
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It incubates and spreads at the same time

wicked gorge
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Here’s a theory I’ve been thinking of today could the rogue network actually benefit the division

storm crystal
# wicked gorge Here’s a theory I’ve been thinking of today could the rogue network actually ben...

Yea i had the same thougt aswell.
BT comin in crashing the party and SHD servers.
So we are left with Wallys portable SHD backup.

So maybe using Keeners rogue network ANNA and taking that over could be a future plot?
Maybe thats the reason we going back to NY.
Keener always said home is where the heart is and for him thats the big apple - so why not put ANNA server there? maybe thats even why he wanted to spread eclipse there. How could you protect ANNA server better than guard it with a super deadly bio weapon aka eclipse?

signal thicket
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"When every agent becomes rogue, no-one is rogue" XD

wicked gorge
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Holy shit he outsmarted the system

ashen jungle
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I don't think that justification will hold up at the war crimes trial.

storm crystal
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For me rogue agents always were morally more complex as they appear and somewhat reasonable - i mean one of an agents strongest criteria is to think free, adapt and overcome - pair this with the duty to revolt if the government doesnt serve the people

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And with how the plot around Mendez, Ellis, McManus and BT evolved its not unreasonable to revolt

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So i dont see that much of a problem becoming rogue and maybe forming somewhat of a new network clearly cut from Homelands SHD and McManus

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The peoples shd of the common folk - back to haven where Rhodes and Wally take over ANNA.

An i want a damn green light on my shd watch!

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the more i think about the descent could even be a "hack" of ANNA

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Going down several layers of firewalls in a virtual reality kinda way.

wicked gorge
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Im pretty sure decent is just the agents in a vr simulation that Hones their senses

storm crystal
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Probably. But it serving as a plot tool would be a nice touche aswell

sleek slate
wise totem
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are div servers down ?

ashen jungle
sick lantern
compact temple
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If there's ever a Division 3, i'd expect some of the CP's & mission locations we have now to be permanently turned into JTF/Division controlled areas. In the DC of course.

Like Tidal Basin, but in Division colors & equipment

wicked gorge
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The division is leaderless rn

storm crystal
# sick lantern yes, revolt against the SHD who were fighting those people 🤔

haha yea we discussed this matter before but like i said a few lines ago i think its a matter of perspective
shd has no white vest anymore - sure you can say "it were all rogue agents" but thats the perspective from the inside.
Faye Lau was a SHD commander (dead) and McManus is the Homeland Chief (still alive) - our command structure is compromised.
The saying goes that the fish rots from the head down.

compact temple
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McManus is also the guy behind Hunters

sleek plover
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I am sure he is also bald

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Like the bastards Bliss and Ridgeway

surreal hearth
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What makes you think McManus is bald?

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Charles bliss is the grandfather of Uncle Sam, ridgeway is basically Preston garveys evil twin brother

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“Another settlement that needs eradication” instead of help

nocturne arrow
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McManus, the anus. Give him a big bushy beard. But in all likelihood, the bald bit might have been from an ECHO with Bardon Schaeffer in that coffee shop.

wicked gorge
cold bramble
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I can’t remember if the div 1 and 2 agents are the same or not

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In my head they’re the same character
But like, you see all these people being abandoned by the government and how a bunch of your peers have gone rogue too, you’d think youd go “these people are gonna flake on me the moment shit gets rough now” and join the rogues or black tusk

ivory solar
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Whatever happened to the div1 agent is up to you

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But yeah I gotta say that with how many times both our div1 and 2 agents have encountered rogues trying to turn them it’s a bit surprising that the agents haven’t gone rogue yet. But then it’s also kinda not surprising considering it’s a triple a video game not some fanfic

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But my personal headcanon is that our div2 agent has gone rogue in the DZ but has hacked ISAC so it shows they’re not rogue since it’s possible to do that. There’s only 3 confirmed cases of us being in the DZ so I can really make whatever I want

cold bramble
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I’d just like to play as a rogue

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They get the cool tech

urban musk
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Don't the rogue agents have the same tech as the regular agents? Just hacked to be able to work again?

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also, what is up with so many people wanting to go rogue? stay on target, there's a massive battle ahead.

wicked gorge
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Yeah, but the rogue agents get the bullshit Elmo’s

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Emps

surreal hearth
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Specific rogues have classified tech like the hunters EMP or the shrapnel but they don’t have the “disappearing act” tech

mint citrus
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Considering we're on the back foot yet again

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They came into our hq

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Stepped all over it with their dirty boots

knotty folio
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idk why but i hope that we eventally get to go rogue in the story like we do in the darkzone since no one knows if we go rogue in the darkzone i think so it would be intressting to see it in story wise

storm crystal
knotty folio
storm crystal
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Target acquired div2hunters

sleek plover
deep marten
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...are you serious right now?

wicked gorge
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No no he’s got a point

ashen jungle
sleek plover
sleek plover
solid python
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I mean, Shepherd in the remake Modern Warfare is bald... (not serious too lol)

sinful imp
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hi

wicked gorge
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Taco man

tranquil yarrow
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whats up fellow division agents

sleek plover
tranquil yarrow
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im trying to get a perfect marksman build since they are quite op

serene elk
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Question for you guys out here.
I am about to read the divison books. But i cant get my hands on the 2 first only the 2 last ones.
Are they stand alone stories or is it a whole serie ?

sick lantern
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Compromised is a sequel to Recruited and Broken Dawn is a sequel to New York Collapse

ashen jungle
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They're all on Amazon in various forms, if you are looking for another source.

serene elk
serene elk
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Thx alot 🙂

ashen jungle
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Assuming second-hand shops are a thing in your country, you'd be surprised at how many video-game books make their way there.

serene elk
wicked gorge
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Do you think McManus has hunters in the division

late void
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Kelso secret sleeper hunter, waiting to be activated

wicked gorge
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Isnt Kelso technically the division commander now

signal thicket
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how so? Manny is still alive

wicked gorge
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Well he’s a coordinator not a commander

signal thicket
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ah right,

cold bramble
glass kestrel
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I have a question. I feel like this has been answered somehow, but what's the point of the SHD having three "cores" spread throughout America if the entire network can still be taken down from D.C?

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Like, if the point of the cores is to ensure a single strike can't cripple the network, how did Black Tusk accomplish that through, what I'm assuming, was a single strike in DC?

wicked gorge
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I like to think of it as a nervous system, the network being the nerves that connect everything to each other, while the core acts as a vertebrae that strengthens everything

wicked gorge
undone badger
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Basicly the entire story of the division from start to what we know for noe

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Now*

inland gate
sick lantern
cold bramble
nocturne arrow
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Perhaps hitting the DC core either triggered a cascade effect affecting the other cores, or it was simply affected the ones linked to DC's core, and the Agents linked to the other two cores remain unaffected and operational

sick lantern
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There is no Core in DC

glass kestrel
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Yeah I think it was a retcon.

solid python
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Wasn't the cores supposedly in the heartland of America (no, not theorizing that Heartland is gonna be about one of the cores, I don't think the government would use a suburban town as a location of one of the cores)
I think I'm getting it confused with Fallout lore though too

sick lantern
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sick lantern
sleek plover
fringe gale
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need there to be a philly cheesesteak consumable that cures the virus forever

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need that proper PA representation

desert summit
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Aren't people from Philadelphia like, invincible or smth

fringe gale
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basically

sleek plover
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It is the home of good ol ben franklin

ashen jungle
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I feel so vindicated right now.

sick lantern
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wish it was live on youtube

ashen jungle
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There'll be a VOD up later, it's what I plan to watch.

storm crystal
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Quick thought

BT stealing our Bioreactor from WH
And they are capturing the Aquarium staff
While i replayed the mission i think i catched some audio where they talk about algae

So we scared of BT creating a new Eclipse virus
While in reality they just producing algae for sushi? 😄 😄

storm crystal
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Wasnt there even a voicecom of Sokolov and Kellog Cursed about the food supply and how they can catch fish and make sushi? 😄

shy ridge
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Do you think we’ll get a reason eventually why Wally is called “Wally” and doesn’t have a full name like most characters?

cursive tapir
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Wasn't Wally an alias?

wicked gorge
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Yes

ashen jungle
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It's a short-hand version of "Walter", there really doesn't need to be a full name.

surreal hearth
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Jesus the black tusk and hunters don’t mess around anymore they are all in

sick lantern
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I dunno they got a lotta clowns in their ranks.

surreal hearth
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Saw a trailer using our people as some kind of broadcast to ask the division to surrender

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Along with a hunters as the new black tusk commanders

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This is a small speculation based on the trailer

obtuse arrow
surreal hearth
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No embedded true sons anywhere yet

obtuse arrow
surreal hearth
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The part we’re black tusk have started this “capture and escort” protocol is what I’m seeing

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And if you look on one of those scenes you see someone wearing a lot of division watches on their armor chest

obtuse arrow
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Ah okay timestamp?

surreal hearth
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According to this trailer we are no longer doing another manhunt we are rescuing our people

obtuse arrow
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Nvm I see it now

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He was hiding behind the jellyfish, That's crazy.

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Maybe it's "The Recruiter"

surreal hearth
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The Natalya is dead ass serious about us surrendering

surreal hearth
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Nat has serious embedded with McManus

ivory solar
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We never killed the Recruiter, only Bonney. And the puzzle Hunters aren’t confirmed to be canon

obtuse arrow
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When did we kill "The Recruiter"? I don't recall seeing him since Season 9. And yeah there's something weird going on he referred to the hunters as his clean up crew in the past.

surreal hearth
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Nat is probably gonna divert we all know that McManus hunters are limited and I’m dead ass expecting to see a random hunter after each rescue conclusion

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That means nobody goes solo without backup

sick lantern
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that was Mari at the zoo, seemingly she has a Hunter to guard her as she is deemed the most important

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so the Hunter is presumably the final boss of the season and the mission takes place at MNZoo

rancid socket
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could someone explain who Nat is to me? I missed previous seasons and sorta understand that she owns (?) Black Tusk but otherwise have no clue

ashen jungle
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She's the Founder of Black Tusk, and current CEO.

rancid socket
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and she is also in charge of Hunters?

sick lantern
rancid socket
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ohhh okay, cool

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that clears a lot up

wicked gorge
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Man I can’t wait for keener to come@back and be the hero the division deserves

sick lantern
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Her father is/was the CEO of Sokolov Concern (yes the company that makes the brand set) hence why she's a connected businesswoman
Her half brother was a rogue Division agent (Felix "Kestrel" Sokolov), killed him a few seasons ago

azure stone
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I remember a comm in div1 where they said that the Russians pushed Amherst to make the virus. So who knows Sokolov started all of this

signal thicket
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Then again, the comms from the NSA show that amherst definitely had the motive to do it on his own

sick lantern
wicked gorge
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In the broken dawn novel if I remember correctly there were some political people in there that knew Amherst was creating the virus and they supported it

ashen jungle
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Amherst being tricked/taught/influenced into doing it defeats the entire purpose of the Green Poison.

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if governments knew about it, then it doesn't work as a totally random population control.

gaunt ice
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i think its more that they turned a blind eye on it

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cuz outbreak=government collapse=takeover

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its a reach but idk sounds believable

sick lantern
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The Black Tusk were just conveniently ready to act on the actions of an eco-terrorist they had no connection with petter lovely contrivance

wicked gorge
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McManus knew about the outbreak and called upon the Black tusk, they were prepared and knew what was going to happen before they even happen

ashen jungle
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Source?

gaunt ice
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it came to me in a dream

sick lantern
# ashen jungle Source?

"The [Black Tusk's] current configuration is clearly recruited in response to the bioterror attack last November. Black Tusk units and equipment began shipping back to the United States in the very early hours of the outbreak- indeed, before the full extent of the crisis was even know, which suggests the disturbing possibility of foreknowledge." The World of The Division, page 121
plus Warren Merchant in Broken Dawn explicitly says that members of the government were aware of the risk posed by Amherst but did not act on it, which is in turn reinforced by the NSA classified assignment

ashen jungle
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and this is why I hate an Extended Universe for something that clearly wasn't designed for it.

sick lantern
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yea it's a very contrived way of saying that the black tusk and their government conspirators were responsible for the outbreak, because saying it explicitly would've been another big retcon

ashen jungle
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The reason we already have is 100% fine.
a crazy guy wanted population control. Easy.

gaunt ice
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i think it still fits Amherst's "population control" thing,its just that people know how unstable of a nutcase he is but deliberately tried to ignore

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if Mackintosh or whatever his name is was head of Homeland Security he can basically use his powers to make the agency ignore Amherst

ashen jungle
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People in power knowing about it means that they can protect certain powerful people, missing the entire point of a truly random impact from the virus.

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trying to make the plot more complicated than it is just introduces plot valleys.

gaunt ice
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i agree,but we're just trying to squeeze in how the BT knew and how it is still natural for Amherst to still do it out of his free will,not manipulated

ashen jungle
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My current head-canon is that the Hyena's added Spice to the water supply of DC and this is all an illusion.

gaunt ice
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like,it always struck me since div1 that someone backed Amherst since making a virus composed of like 50 other viruses and getting test subjects for said virus is a very complex and expensive procedure

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he needs "fundings" if you get what i mean

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"oh hey random Russian people,i have this really cool idea about natural selection and i need investors" it sounds silly but it HAS to

ashen jungle
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Yeah not buying it. We already had all the answers we needed with him doing it himself.
in the NSA classified mission they actually mention Amherst potentially being an issue but dismiss him because he's just one guy.

gaunt ice
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ik that its all bs soft retcons just let me cope

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D:

sick lantern
gaunt ice
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virus samples?

sick lantern
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didn't need em

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having worked with smallpx in person, all he needed to know was the structure and he could homebrew it

gaunt ice
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huh,neat

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so how does the black tusk know about it anyway,or did they dont and they just planned an invasion on US soil

sick lantern
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black tusk know cus of mcmanus and his shadowy government conspiracy

gaunt ice
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so like,they gaslit Amherst into doing that?

sick lantern
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no, they just got lucky

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like I said, contrived

gaunt ice
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imagine if Amherst is just sick and cant attend the meeting where he meets Vitaly

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the Union

surreal hearth
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Took notice some very familiar locations

azure stone
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Before division 2 came out you had all these shield comms. I would need to look up which one it was

cursive tapir
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There are loads of comms across Div2 that tell us that malicious actors within the government knew what Amherst was planning and allowed it to happen so they could take advantage of the chaos

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Stuff like how fast the dark zone infrastructure went up, etc

storm crystal
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Regarding the "conspiracy" part and that people knew before.

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As an established main antagonist the Sokolov concern could be behind the Douglas&Harding thing. This would lead to the conclusion that Sokolov atleast used the virus and its effects very early on and maybe knew more than thought.

wicked gorge
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Y’all think she let her brother die

sick lantern
cursive tapir
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why not?

sick lantern
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I’ve never heard of this supposed suspicious circumstance
we don’t know of any malicious preparation besides the existence of the black tusk and the hunters
it’s inconsequential and not really connected, did McManus pay off some JTF foremen? what supposed plan does this fit into and how, and where’s the proof

cursive tapir
noble ingot
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@patent narwhal IN CONFLICT MANY THINGS ARE NOT WORKING: WE CANT GO TO COVER , JUMP OVER CAR /WALLS ETC, SAME FOR JUMP DOWN WE CANT RECOVER TEAM MATES WHICH ARE ON THE FLOOR AND SO ON AND SO ON- PLS FIX ASAP!

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NO SALTO IS POSSIBLE

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AND MANY OTHER BUGS

patent narwhal
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I'm not a dev I cant do anything + this is the lore channel

noble ingot
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BUT U CAN FORWARD

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THX

obtuse arrow
noble ingot
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I DONT GET MONEY FROM UBI I PAY UBI SO....

ashen jungle
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@noble ingot We don't get paid either.
and cool it with the caps.

shy ridge
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So is Ransom wearing Captain Lewis’s dog tags?

cursive tapir
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I presume so

raw yew
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What’s the deal with Mari and Manny

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Are they together?

fringe gale
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yes, which is one of 2 reasons Sokolova kidnapped her

signal thicket
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The division stream said she was someone's fiance but dint explicitly say manny despite it being kinda obvious unless they throw some curveball

raw yew
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I only learned of their relationship cause Sokolova was shitting on Manny the entire last hunter comm

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She mentioned she was pregnant and Manny has no choice but to do what she wants if he wants Mari to survive… maybe I got that wrong tho

fringe gale
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either they're together or manny doesnt want a pregnant woman dying

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both good possibilites tbf

signal thicket
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I dont think Manny's marital status was ever mentioned or teased before S11's conclusion

cursive tapir
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I got the vibe Manny and Mari were an item

signal thicket
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iirc before S11, their only interaction was mari's call for help in the classified mission

frail coyote
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I've seen ships in other fandoms where the only interaction was a quick glance at one another, so those small interactions are more then enough for some people

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also never using the whitehouse as my main hub again

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Castle has a woofer

patent narwhal
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POOCH

frail coyote
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I'm a simple man, I see a dog I pet the dog

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but make sure to let them sniff my hand first

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also ask the owner if its okay, I'm not that kind of fallus

solid python
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I see doggo
I want to pet doggo
I short of want a pet doggo for my agent (maybe further down the series)
Let it be good doggo

azure stone
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So manny said the black tusk took tschernenko and the strategist and cindy. First of all they also took the bio reactor so who knows how that will play out

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But who is the strategist and cindy in the white house?

solid python
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The strategist was that guy in the Potomac mission where he gets captured by Kelso
And Cindy was the drone operator lady, I know she shows up once during the invaded missions...

azure stone
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Oh yeahh now i remember thanks

storm crystal
surreal hearth
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The black tusk are very serial killers

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These bastards have stolen so many good people

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They took Cindy our coordination

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Along with plenty of people from the marina glad they didn’t took the dog name ransom

tight jacinth
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Don’t think so

tight jacinth
storm crystal
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sorry maybe i should have marked it /s

surreal hearth
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Ok nat has way too much backdoor backups for some reason

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Aside from the obvious black tusk a rogue agent gets involved but so far no hunter

cursive tapir
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Why on earth did the BTSU take the Strategist

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Like damn I forgot that guy existed

echo turret
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Same

signal thicket
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hostage to secure the trade routes from the outcasts?

hollow grove
echo turret
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Wait, for real?

hollow grove
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Yes, the part where mari singh and some random dude watch the jellyfish. The random dude is hunter you can see his chest it has multiple rogue and non-rogue watches on it

echo turret
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Oh shit, you’re right

surreal hearth
surreal hearth
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I think nat is recruiting rogue and non-rogue agents to be the next generation of hunters

signal thicket
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Is there multiple recruiters? I thought it was just The Recruiter

hollow grove
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So far we only knew one recruiter, on last season there's a glitch/bug that you can get killed by him and his name is shown as Jiang Ziya

surreal hearth
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I’m speculating that as we rescue our people back from black tusk hand more and more rogue agents become far less than rogue

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And among the SHD turns against us and took the offer to be part of the hunter program

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However the black tusk failed to deal with the NSA so

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All we can do and what’s left of us to push our limits to the max

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Our actions stopping the black tusk from securing the NSA data has granted us their “echelon program” to be embedded onto the SHD

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Their program will allow the SHD to be a lot more battle hardened and enough to be potentially hunter killers

echo turret
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I figured rogues were still too focused on being independent to work with anyone
But I can see them being embedded into the Hunter program
But at the same time, aren’t the hunters supposed to be hunting down any and all Division agents, regardless of their status?

surreal hearth
echo turret
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Imagine if, through continuity of government, McManus becomes the next POTUS, which would mean the Division would have to answer to him without question. But since they (most likely) now know about the the corruption and Black Tusk involvement, I doubt that most agents would agree to follow his orders

cursive tapir
cursive tapir
echo turret
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Makes sense

obtuse arrow
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The hunter we go after is the recruiter it was mentioned in comms

surreal hearth
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The unknowns behind ISAC found out about the keener rogue network in NYC meaning that presidency are now irrelevant

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The only solution? Save what remains and survive the vicious corporate and shadowy onslaughts of the corruption

sick lantern
surreal hearth
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I’m starting to understand why black tusk went after the NSA

floral gull
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Is Blacktusk inspired by the real world counterpart called Blackwater?

sick lantern
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Probably

hardy oar
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Maybe we'll get answers in the next fabular DLC

echo turret
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Even if Theo was a rogue agent, he still could’ve been right about the corruption

hardy oar
heavy valley
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So I finished the first manhunt middion where u rescue him right. An now rouge agents spawn inside the bounty main mission new lore?

restive phoenix
earnest briar
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Why exactly did Keener go rogue again?

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I’m tryna hear him out

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🫥🫥🫥

surreal hearth
sick lantern
earnest briar
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Based

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(I’m kidding, humbled that fool)

surreal hearth
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More than a power trip

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He and other first wave agents got scrutinized by the JTF unable to contain the out of control situation in the dark zone

earnest briar
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Listening on Keener, he seems Cold and not cruel

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A power trip yeah

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But you need power to bring about change and order, and it seems that the US Government was simply incapable of doing so

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I’m not saying Keener was right, but this isn’t a good vs evil story

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They all want the same thing in the end, Keener is just a “ends justify the means” kinda guy

earnest briar
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Man was he a fool though, far too egotistical and prideful to truly build something. His greatest weakness that lead to his downfall was viewing all of his alliances as temporary assets

earnest briar
#

Yeesh, near the end of his “reign” he had completely lost his mind lmao, now resorted to sword logic as his basis and no longer Justice or the end of tyranny

heavy valley
#

Ima just say keener did nothing wrong

restive phoenix
# heavy valley Ima just say keener did nothing wrong

I don’t know about that one chief gasing the JTF at City Hall was pretty much senseless murder hell it’s what eventually caused his downfall we wouldn’t have been redeployed to New York if he hadn’t blatantly announced his presence like that

earnest briar
#

He lost his mind, went power crazy and egotistical

#

Bro went from “I’ll save humanity my way” to “I’ll use my new virus to kill everyone and if someone survives then good for them”

sick lantern
#

Keener was a manipulative narcissist even before he joined the SHD, he went rogue out of his own interest

low badge
#

He went rouge because he could

ashen jungle
#

*Rogue.
Keener was a wall street bro before the crisis, him turning into the arch-villain was inevitable.

mint citrus
#

Man was all about STONKS

ashen jungle
#

If he hadn't become a supervillain, he'd be a crypto bro right now, we all know it's true.

mint citrus
#

I can see it

ashen jungle
#

I just always see him as that 80's guy in Futurama, the one with Boneitis.

mint citrus
#

The Castle settlement is actually pretty cool, so far

#

The music in it is pretty sick

surreal hearth
floral ivy
#

Dang still no news for Heartlands. Hopefully we'll get updates by the end of this year

mystic zodiac
#

Heartland must be extremely underwhelming when they don't even mention it on ubi forward

signal thicket
#

Either that or extremely underdeveloped atm

noble ingot
#

Conflict in Div2 stil broken?

fringe gale
#

that whole "heartland not coming b4 march 2024" might be true

dusk dove
#

it is true though, confirmed viva the ubi quarterly report.

fringe gale
#

ahhhh man

dusk dove
#

ubi listed their games for the next year being released (upto march 2024) and heartlands isnt on the list.

azure stone
#

Does anyone find it weird that no one is talking in the game about the bio reactor that gets stolen. We see it but i don't hear them mention it at all

#

We see it get stolen*

mint citrus
#

Might happen later in the season

#

Or maybe in S2

glad spruce
#

Yeah. Right now, the focus is rescuing JTF's people from Black Tusk's custody

I'll be real, the way John Yazzie talks about Mari, her expected child, and indoctrination in that audio log gave me the creeps.

mint citrus
#

Agreed, but it makes sense. Who knows how things are looking where the BT has full control over information?

obtuse arrow
surreal hearth
#

Each rescue will get us three audio logs instead of one

#

But wait a minute if the season is based on after we’ve rescued those people from the classified assignments

#

I don’t think captain Lewis wasn’t the only true son defector

#

There was another defector as he was about to be executed by his former soldiers in the prison detention center

#

I wonder if he ever gets a return on one of the future seasons?

mint citrus
#

One can only hope

signal thicket
#

Bet he's just one of the people patrolling in Castle

#

There were a couple defectors with lewis, and im p sure most were sent to rebuild that place

#

Even the og residents of castle were True Son defectors if u listened to the logs

sick lantern
signal thicket
#

yeah

surreal hearth
#

It’s hard to tell cuss they changed their gears after they defect

#

Aside from normal civilians but I’m seeing a few peacekeepers and standard military gear but no JTF logos

steady zodiac
#

Anyone know why the people in the underground wear all black?

fringe gale
#

dark place = all black clothing

#

also scare factor, those chainsaw noises scared the shit out of me

pearl lark
#

Idk why I’m excited for the division to be on mobile

surreal hearth
#

I got me thinking

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This man name John yazzie he was a JTF pilot that was shot down and crash landed in the Mexican embassy

#

Before he was captured by the black tusk he suffered some ptsd referring to what happen back there witnessing the mere insanity of the outcast but now after he was captured by the black tusk and got rescued again by the agents it got worst

#

He was incapable or don’t want to fly yet due to fear of getting shot down again so manny made a decision that he should be put on maintenance and logistics for the other pilots however

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He was able to find a hidden underground part of the castle perfect for helicopter landing and a swift evacuation before the black tusk won’t even know we’re long gone

earnest briar
#

Keener wants y’all to buy his NFTs

north basin
#

Keener wants y'all to choke on his virus

steady zodiac
#

keener wants yall to join his legacy

#

rogue university

#

starting at 50 shd credits

nocturne arrow
#

Fifty bird bucks is fifty bird bucks. Kinda cheap, innit?

trim yarrow
#

Don't question Keeners motives

marble dawn
#

Dont listen to him agent

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Just kill him hes trying to get into your head

earnest briar
#

Gimme SHD tech and I’d SOLO Keener 😈🔥🔥‼️‼️

median crag
earnest briar
storm crystal
#

This is a lore channel and not a meme channel ...just sayin

undone badger
#

Hmm what îs the white tusk

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I saw them once in summit (and Legendary mode missions) and got bonked

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To death for specification

ashen jungle
#

They're Legendary locked Black Tusk variants.
as for what they are ingame, it's hard to say. AFAIK we've never been given a concrete answer, but if I had to speculate, they're likely involved with the BTSU branch of Tusk'.

undone badger
#

First what does AFAIK mean and second what îs BTSU

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Also i Heard people Say that are LMB-last Man batalion (never played div one tho)

ashen jungle
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afaik = as far as I know.
btsu = black tusk special unit, they're the special forces branch of Black Tusk.

the theory about them being LMB troops is a bit shaky for me.

undone badger
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Yeah same i mean i saw in a video how LMB troops look like and they aren't similar to white tusk but people said they mitgh be just Devs being lazy and making them a reskin of black tusk
But main thing îs that i Heard most of LMB got wiped out by rikers,cleaners and kenner with his rogue agents and also why would LMB move to DC?

ashen jungle
#

It is confirmed that some members of LMB joined BT, but to be given their own special forces branch after they all failed so badly seems unlikely.

undone badger
#

Indeed

ashen jungle
#

One theory that holds more water is that the ones that joined were "integrated" into BT units, like the Technician, etc.
there's actually a shared model of deployable a BT unit has that is the same as an LMB one.

undone badger
#

Hmm intersting

#

But also as Manhunt Lore (what happens in a Manhunt) seems to be cannon

#

Why was a rogue agent in the last mission where we rescued John?

#

Was he working with the black tusk?

#

Or was he there to kill John and the BT presence?

ashen jungle
#

Rogues have worked with BT's for a while now, they seem to ally themselves with whatever faction that works the best for them.
If it is a plot point we were supposed to notice, it's not very attention drawny.

undone badger
#

Ok so that means i can kick the A's of 2 factions i hate aton at the same time yipee

signal thicket
#

The description of the BT's Rushers suggest that most of the rushers were former LMB, even if they arent specifically part of White Tusk

late void
#

given 'the recruiter' was mentioned in the comms as being involved the whole kidnapping/relocating thing, my guess is that the rogue in the manhunt was auditioning to be a hunter. We know of course black tusk opposed keener, who activated the rogue network, but since rogues by definition are just doing their own thing and loyal to their own causes, there's no reason to think at least some of them wouldn't be up for joining BT or the hunters.

undone badger
#

Hmmm kettle man îs Lore kettle but true

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He was prob auditioning to be a hunter (and we ofc killed him and dissapointed 'the recruiter')

#

Also who îs this dud

sick lantern
undone badger
gaunt ice
#

some chump who recruit hunters

undone badger
#

Who îs he? Îs he like the guy that aproves hunters?

#

Makes sense

#

Will we kill him? I hope we do

sick lantern
undone badger
#

Like both dudes

sick lantern
#

It's widely speculated that Bonney was pretty much sent to die and that the actual candidate was the player agent

undone badger
#

Oooo spicy lore

sick lantern
#

as in launch day content

undone badger
#

We should get like 3 options in like some time where we can choose to remain a division agent or to go rogue or to even become a hunter

gaunt ice
#

members of Schaeffer's squad all but Schaeffer and Bonney died at coney island i think

undone badger
#

Casual aproves homocide

gaunt ice
sick lantern
gaunt ice
#

oh yea lets throw 200+ people in,each carrying thousands of dollars worth of equipment,and of course an autonomous drone with rockets to kill one dude

#

whoever is managing black tusk's budget sucks at their job

gaunt ice
undone badger
sick lantern
#

the BTSU guys are all named bosses, elijah sumner... the other twats

undone badger
#

Also how the fuck do some Goofy division agents kill a whole Ass batalion of black tusk like its fucking nothing

#

Are we like super duper soldiers or Something?

gaunt ice
#

cuz its a looter shooter

#

that's just it,like there's no explanation,even the ingame characters acknowledge how ridiculous those feats are

undone badger
#

Like we get shoot like billions of Times and we get back up like its nothing and kick Ass like

gaunt ice
#

the player agent really gives John Wick a run for his money

undone badger
#

But still they sent a whole Ass fucking batalion of crazy fucking soldiers, squadron of fucking highly train PMC units and fucking murder drones with robot dogs and we still KICKED THEY FUCKING ASSES

#

Like they need better troops

crystal halo
gaunt ice
#

nah,ima do my own thing

undone badger
#

Like how stupid do your units need to be ,and your hired mercenarys with division tech and that are highly fucking trained to lose to 1 to maybe 4 Goofy ahhh agents?

undone badger
sick lantern
#

division agents are pretty elite

crystal halo
#

4 bois with spicy rollie-pollies

gaunt ice
undone badger
sick lantern
#

stranger things have happened

undone badger
#

I mean BT and hunters are a joke to the player

gaunt ice
#

i think the Division 1 really made an Agent more grounded in reality

crystal halo
#

the ghosts: 👀

gaunt ice
#

as opposed to Division 2's power fantasy which while can make for satisfying gameplay really doesn't make sense

undone badger
#

I mean we outpowered every hunter BTSU and every fucking faction in the game

gaunt ice
#

like i can take most missions in Division 1 and have an explanation as to how we can take down multiple factions with ease

undone badger
#

I mean the danger to the player îs other players and shit

gaunt ice
#

also i blame the Scorpio for making any hunters a joke

#

and St Elmo

undone badger
#

At this point all the player agent are fearless to the fucking BT and BTSU but we still fucking rage at the WT cuz they are fucking cracked up BTs

#

Also we need a stronger faction to FIGHT like dud im bored of this shit ass fucking BT i hope in heartland we got more factions

gaunt ice
#

that's really just a gameplay thing

undone badger
#

That are stronger then BT and WT

gaunt ice
#

ehhhhh

#

black tusk already no diffs every other faction

#

without the Division they would have taken over America before dinner

undone badger
#

Some other faction stronger then the hunters

undone badger
signal thicket
#

Also, with last season's manhunt, i find it really unlikely that there are at max 4 divison agents in the entire whitehouse that could protect it, so each player is probably representing more divison agents than it seems too

gaunt ice
#

i think the better explanation is that its a 4 man team and its meant to be harder

#

its just easy from a gameplay perspective

earnest briar
#

Dragov was valid and he’s justified

#

I would’ve joined him

obtuse arrow
earnest briar
# obtuse arrow How so?

He grew up in a crime family, escaped that life and joined the police force to help fight against corruption and extortion

#

Found that there was corruption and extortion in the police force too and helped fight against that, that’s what had him noticed by SHD

#

He then realized that SHD didn’t really have people’s best interests in mind, he found that there was corruption and extortion even in the most secretive of organizations

#

What caused him to go rogue was his mission to escort a warden from riker island I believe and they were just gonna leave a bunch of the prisoners locked in there to starve to death

#

So he shot the warden, went rogue, and saved the prisoners, and helped other families and people that felt betrayed and threatened by other factions

#

His ideals are far more tame than someone like Keeners, he didn’t even like Keener

#

Out of many rogue agents, I think his reason is one of the more noble ones

obtuse arrow
#

Yeah I see your point and claiming to be fighting corruption is good and all but what has Dragov actually done besides make things worse? Honestly those prisoners deserved to starve to death in that prison, Look at all the horrible things they have done to innocent people. It's one thing to fight corruption and another to lead a faction of mindless killers against people trying to survive and create new communities. I'm a rogue agent myself but I don't condone that kind of activity. The Rikers should be helping rebuild their community instead of taking the lives of many innocent people trying to survive in the ruins of what remains. The Rikers have the resources to do good but they choose not to. That black market they run is a prime example of what their priorities are. I'm not convinced that they actually helped other families or people being threatened by other factions after what they did in Hell's Kitchen. Many innocent families were slaughtered that day.

#

But yeah he is probably the least evil out of the rest of them, Still evil though. In my opinion anyway.

shy ridge
#

Did anyone else notice that the latest audio log mentioned something called Diamond, and there’s a future season called Black Diamond?

storm crystal
#

Regarding the absurd strength of our divison agent.

One thing we have to have in mind is that we are one of many agents, like when we go to the heli pad and you see other players i think thats like actually meeting the other agents in the base. Aswell as dead agents, rogue agents, agents we only know from coms... and so on.
Then that is only DC or NY. Agents are scattered around the whole country it seems. There are many different agents with different talents and skillsets and probably not everyone a one man army.
But from our point of view tho we are playin the "Sherrif" while other players are just random agents - this ofc is a plot method.

So this lead to the second point - the plot method of the "Sheriff" is the prime example of an agent we are playing here.
Its like playin a game about cowboys and we would be someone like John Wayne.
Or if we would play a game about politics we would be Abraham Lincoln.
That doesnt mean that every divsion Agent is a powerhouse - but oh what a coincidence - the one we are playin is petter

#

Nontheless Division Agents are certainly pretty crazy fighters with all their tools.
Just the eye lense with integrated ISAC AI - marking of enemys with pulse, a "hud" in your vision, a live satelite map at all times.
Maybe even target acquisition/dectetion function and aim assist who knows.
And then all the offensive tools that work on their own.

late void
#

In one of the echos of the original btsu team one of the team describes clearing a shd safehouse as 'like fighting a group of superheroes'

undone badger
obtuse arrow
signal thicket
#

Another voiceclip does say that fighting agents is easy as long as you catch them by surprise

#

Otherwise its really ahrd

sick lantern
#

you could say that about anyone

#

and division agents have motion detectors and etc to make that very difficult

signal thicket
#

Also, SHD isnt just made up of the people who go out for missions, a SHD safehouse could very much also include primarily non-combat personel, like manny is

#

I dont doubt that they probably have combat training and access to shd tech too, but arent gonna be as proficient as the player characters would be

gaunt ice
#

90% of those pricks are murderers,rapists,psychopaths.
they all joined the Rikers and they are all crazy,are you trying to justify a bunch of criminals

#

his mentality was "if you cant beat them join them"

#

which,to be fair,when society is collapsing infront of your eyes then you would probably be a bit insane too but that's no excuse to be a psychopathic murderer who also watches way too much fast and furious and always mumble about FAMILY cuz guess what,the power of family did not beat 200 stacks of striker with FAMAS

#

i would say someone like Kajika and the nerd with the decoys are more sympathetic because one of them was just a kid who wanted to find the truth behind his father's death and the other was actually deserted and felt betrayed so he tried to claim vengeance

earnest briar
gaunt ice
#

i know that and that's what im saying

#

his "motivation" is that he fucking snapped after fighting corruption for his entire life and seeing that it did nothing

#

not saying that its bad but it doesn't really justify evil,you just understand him more

earnest briar
#

I may be a little biased as well because I can relate with him

fringe gale
storm crystal
#

...who also watches way too much fast and furious and always mumble about FAMILY cuz guess what,the power of family did not beat 200 stacks of striker with FAMAS.

#

love it 😄 😄

storm crystal
# gaunt ice i would say someone like Kajika and the nerd with the decoys are more sympatheti...

Yea i think Theo Parnell was a really tragic case tho - basically a nerdy kid with a great talent but even greater luggage.
On the surface hes often judged as conspiracy theorist and while he maybe emotionally tends to scepticism he was really on to something if we acknowledge that McManus, Sokolov and BTSU are actively trying to take over - and whoever maybe still hides behind curtains.
Could also be McManus is just another Puppet of someone we still dont know - deep state theory.

surreal hearth
#

I have a theory that black tusk are clones cuss I keep seeing the same faces over and over and over again

#

Just like the “they got Alex” theory from division1

#

Kinda feeling the deja vu here

compact temple
#

That whole deep state theory makes sense in the World of Division.

#

BTSU and leadership behind them have only 1 obstacle for taking over the US & that's the Division + JTF.

iron horizon
#

And the regular citizens

obtuse arrow
#

Does anyone know why some of the BTSU are halfway between Black Tusk and White Tusk?

signal thicket
#

wdym?

undone badger
signal thicket
#

Grey Tusk : P

undone badger
#

XD

obtuse arrow
#

I mean the high ranking members of BTSU are wearing Black Tusk top and White Tusk pants it makes no sense to me

steady shore
#

runiin out of specific bt tops or wt tops

#

or bt bottoms

gaunt ice
sick lantern
#

I was trying to find the Twitter of the author of Recruited and Compromised, seems his account is deleted :(

#

"I’d love to see something like XCOM set in this universe." me too tommy, me too

gaunt ice
#

i misread that as mommy

#

that aside,what was xcom about

sick lantern
iron horizon
#

I mean have u seen the white tusk it’s when u do legendary black tusk invaded strongholds

solid python
#

I do really want to read Recruited and Compromised, I've been reading more books recently so naturally it makes me want to read more Division books

gaunt ice
obtuse arrow
exotic panther
#

i think u just got the hots for them man

obtuse arrow
#

Only the drone controller

brisk bone
#

Gotta love the silent rusher BTSU, top of the mill, spec ops, runs in a dies in 2 seconds

fringe gale
#

brother what

ashen jungle
#

@cold bramble What you do in your own time is your business, but on here please refrain from any NSFW related comments in the future.

undone badger
#

Hmmmm rogue network stuff thing idk îs confusing to me

sick lantern
fleet rover
#

if the Black Tusk invaded a (different) fictional universe/world, where/what would it be?

median crag
#

Places with critical infrastructure.

Places like airforce bases, naval bases, bases with lots of servers, missile silos, train stations (if rails are still in enough condition). Network properly and you've got strong web that has information, access for vehicles, etc.

#

Missile silos would probably not be high on the list, as they require access codes, but if its possible to bypass those, they'd get a nuclear arsenal rather quickly.

sick lantern
ashen jungle
#

This is a lore channel for the extended Division universe, not a "what is a good fanfic idea" channel.

median crag
ashen jungle
#

You did nothing wrong, they're asking for things that are going to get deleted as soon as they are posted.

cursive tapir
earnest briar
#

Who do y’all feel had a more noble reason for going rogue and why

languid wing
#

most agents who go rogue dont do it for bad reasons many are tryna surivive

#

for noble is say faye

#

many of the first wave agents who went rogue were left for dead and the only way to survive was to abandon whatever they were doing wether it be securing a place or helping civies

ashen jungle
#

with Faye there is a fine line between noble and kinda dumb.

#

the only one's Id say are noble are the ones who's sole reason is staying in the DZ to help.

languid wing
#

i have to agree with rivens there

#

ik td2 adds rogue encounters during missons granted its rare but i wanted them to be in the leg SHs as well ik td1 leg content had multiple rogues

#

it would of been more of a challeneg if we had to fight white tusk with rogues added into the mix maybe hunters

nocturne arrow
#

Can't get Hunters to work with Rogues, because well, that's what they're meant to do, killing Agents, rogue or not, apparently.

obtuse arrow
#

Hunters are just the clean up crew they wouldn't work with any agents

brisk bone
#

With all the bulwark black tusk shields around the whitehouse, one makes me think the btsu went greek spartan and formed a phalanx

sick lantern
obtuse arrow
median crag
round sinew
#

The new manhunt is a nice shakeup

#

The helo pilot is sad

gusty peak
#

It is interesting how the lore of the game is developing, it is even interesting to me how characters from confidential missions take on importance

gusty peak
brisk bone
#

I remember rescuing Yazzie from a bunch of outcasts who got too frisky with the stowed c4 ...at an embassy ...somehow those two don't really match up in my eyes, at least I got to shoot some poor shmuck on the shitter

mint citrus
#

The Mexican embassy, yep

brisk bone
#

...so when are we getting giant spider tanks like in watchdogs 2? Thing looks like it was a DARPA developed thing, and could just be a retrofitted 'marauder class quadcopter' ...just for you know...scuttling ...and maybe chilling on walls ...or buildings

gaunt ice
#

apparently JTF doesn't get good stuff

#

yea remember how we scavenged DC for them for like the last uh,4 years,give or take

#

and a single razorback is too much for them to handle

sick lantern
gaunt ice
sleek plover
#

damn i hate LMB

exotic panther
#

they got drip tho

mint citrus
#

I feel like that'd be a cool raid boss. Black Tusk acquires a spider-tank and we have to go kill it

hoary cove
surreal hearth
#

Natalya is definitely an old bloodline of Soviet Union era

#

I ask because she keeps throwing waves after waves of enemy units like cannon fodders only this time she’s using the true sons to guard Eva Garcia

#

To make matters worst another rogue agent appears

#

Hmm so Natalya is a big fan of Garcias podcast?

#

Aaand for some reason manny is paranoid because he keeps taking the comms under his bed

mint citrus
#

If you ask me, Sokolova's playing the long game. Leaning REAL heavy on the PR angle

wicked gorge
nocturne arrow
#

Sadly, they forgot that Division Agents have strategically placed blue boxes of infinite ammo across DC. We have more bullets than we have armour plates and grenades, though.

round sinew
#

New comms were nice

gaunt ice
nocturne arrow
#

As we should, some people deserve to be shot more than once anyways.

languid wing
#

I can name a few keener natalee

#

That 1 agent who took my chocolate chip cookie

surreal hearth
#

They honestly should have sent in a full ammo sweep all over DC

#

But because divisions and rogues are popping up out of nowhere it’s impossible for any hostile factions to secure an ammo sweep

sick lantern
#

an “ammo sweep”?

obsidian sinew
#

will the division resurgence mobile will have a crossplay with pc?

languid wing
#

I imagine it will be available via bluestacks on pc

#

Bluestacks let's you play mobile games on your pc

solid python
#

I wonder what factions are going to be featured in The Division movie, I really want it to be Cleaners and LMB. Most iconic and most dangerous (regarding of Div1)

brittle star
#

Div 1 should get this imo

heavy valley
#

Well a second rouge agent in the new manhunt still no answers to it

gusty peak
sick lantern
heavy valley
wicked gorge
#

More obstacles for the division

#

If you think about it one nuke would solve everyone’s problems

gusty peak
#

More obstacles, and also why he already had a relationship with the rouges if I am not misinformed

#

Although it surprises me, since in past seasons as far as we know there are hunters disguised as black tusk

sick lantern
#

ROGUES

#

rogue not rouge

gusty peak
#

👍

late void
#

probably some of them are trying out for the hunter program, since we know the recruiter was involved in the hostage taking

obtuse arrow
#

Seeing as there have been people like Jack Bonney who have a status classified to ISAC or ANNA and they work for McManus/Sokolova, In my opinion these Rogue agents in the manhunt are the agents who "fell in line" (as a BTSU leader and President Ellis were discussing on comms found at Tidal Basin)

The way I remember it, Jack Bonney was not accepted into the hunter program since the situation at Jefferson Plaza was his test and he failed yet he still had this classified status so maybe not all of these agents will become hunters but part of a 3rd wave with only the most elite joining the hunter program.

These rogue agents could have been part of this manhunt as a job application to gain access to this classified status which would remove their rogue agent status. It could even be possible that there is a third more advanced network they are trying to gain access to by working with McManus/BTSU.

nocturne arrow
#

Small nitpick, but a Third Wave of Division Agents would only apply to those deployed in NYC, no real indication that the first wave of Agents deployed to other states either died out or went rogue enough that a second, much less third wave had to be deployed.

#

If anything, the supposed Third Wave, is actually Washington DC's second wave. Unless DC's first wave ended up wiped out like JTF.

urban musk
#

I'm gonna vent real quick, we've been helping the DC JTF for 4 years (Our time) and 3 months in-game time... how the hell did they get pushed over so quickly? you're telling me the remainder of the DC JTF is so incompetent they cannot pick up an RPG and shoot that SOB at the weakest razorback in the division 2? let's not forget the JTF is a JOINT TASK FORCE of combined First responders, military and civil volunteers from all walks of life! you're telling me the JTF, got destroyed super easily by some arrogant Mercs who joined a PMC that wants to rule the world? and you're also telling me that it was so easy for the BTSU to literally walk through the white house they managed to grab HOSTAGES AND THE BIOREACTOR? No way, I call BS.

#

WHAT ARE WE STILL HELPING THEM FOR?

nocturne arrow
#

Well, supposedly, BT recruits from some very elite units, disgruntled special forces types. Delta, MarSOC, Spetznaz types, that sort of thing.

urban musk
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IF our agent, a freaking citizen soldier basically, can take on the BTSU, I don't want to hear that.

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And yes, I do question why, and that's why Keener went rogue. JTF fucked up bad, and he didn't think they were worth helping anymore.

There's been speculation that BT's speciality was hostile personnel extraction, grabbing people from hot zones and extracting them safely.

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Also, our particular Agent had been remarked to be one of the best, on par with our Division 1, and that one had been listed as the "real deal" of Agents.

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... I just lost quite a bit of text... No idea why.

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did the server delete it again?

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too many swear words?

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There you go. 😄 "i perfectly understand why the frustration felt when jtf messed up this bad, but i think the in-universe reason why we still assist the jtf, despite their milquetoast dumbassery, is that to the agent, the jtf is still the legitimate faction of government of the united states, and that they still believe in the mission directive of "putting back together what remains", the supposed mission of the division."

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Anyways, again, I believe that the in universe explanation as to why our Agents still follow the JTF, despite being so helpless, hapless, and, well, Natalia has a point, a pack of morons chasing water bottles, is that our Agent believes the JTF to be the legitimate faction to assist, especially when they believe in the core mission statement of "Saving what remains".

Division Agents, still need infrastructure to get things done, which was a major problem in the long term.

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im wondering how the jtf went from clad in armor and helmets to looking like a call of duty prisoner you save in a campaighn

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It's why organisations like Black Tusk or LMB can actually attract Rogue Agents, is because they have infrastructure and supply lines to get things done better.

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it used to be a relief to see that reflective green when rounding a corner and being able to rest easy knowing that these guys can and will help

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now its cool i have some useless gun

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In the long run, a lone Division Agent can't actually put back necessities like power grids, water supplies, and food, that would need others to help out. Maybe a Division Agent can begin a settlement, like the Theatre Settlement and I also believe that Agents are trained to administrate such settlements if necessary.

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I'm actually gonna be making a sort of JTF cosplay soon, either the Police officer or detective, BUT ANYWAYS, the JTF does have infrastructure. the main reason I'd stay with the JTF is because, they are regular people just trying to survive day by day and make a difference by helping as much as they can, the BTSU just wants regime change and to do whatever the hell they want with their "New World" or whatever.

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but it's getting real tiring seeing Loss after loss. At this point, it'd be better trying to talk to nat herself and say "Hey, stop fucking with the JTF and fuck with me instead!"

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They have the technical skills to conduct repairs, but replacement parts, or supplies will be hard to scavenge, more so when everyone else had done the scavenging. They need a supply line who can get the Agent what they need. Which the Black Tusk did, and the JTF, is also able to do... Albeit at an unappreciable rate.

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That last line sent me thinking to smut.

boreal patio
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"Stop fucking with the JTF and fuck with me instead"

urban musk
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Now that I see that, it is pretty funny, but the main point still stands.

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Anyways, I agree that the JTF could use some beefing up, especially when they're supposed to have secured the loot from weapons caches like the Hyena stronghold or the Capitol Building.

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from what i can tell we could have been able to adminster the bsav to the entire country if it wasent for the jtf/shd's terrible pr

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yeah, I mean the Razorback that was dropped at the BOO was so damned weak. a simple RPG could've taken the damn thing out.

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and inabiilty to deal with deserters

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The Hyena have looted police tactical gear, the True Sons were ex-JTF with all the good guns...

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SO WHY ARE THEY SO WEAK RIGHT NOW?

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Yeah, they did, grenade launchers, turrets, and more.

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they better have a big presence in Brooklyn.

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That's what we're both questioning, Dan. You and me both.

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I'm gonna just say, if they're just as non-existent in Brooklyn as they are in DC and NYC, then I'm gonna be pissed.

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The time it took for us to blast Union District Arena, and the Capitol Building, the JTF should have looted the Hyenas' stockpile of weaponry and at least shipped them back to the White House.

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Hell, WE loot faster than the JTF and in gameplay, we only have a backpack slot of 150.

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And threaten to finish off what Wyvern started if the JTF keep messing up...

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As for Brooklyn, they likely ended up going to Haven under Rhodes... As 'brilliant' an idea that is.

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The JTF stationed there, I mean. Or worse, might have been caught up with their pants down when BT decided to land in NYC.

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dident the people in new york abandon the shd and the jtf'

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becuase of the uselesness of the agents that had no tech

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cause of the black tusk attack

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Even without tech, a Division Agent is still a highly trained individual with a focus on disaster and crisis management, at least, they should be, given their mission profiles.

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Being able to organize communities, redirect resources to where it will need to be sent to, triaging victims, and oversee critical infrastructure repairs would be some of the things Division Agents should know.

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well isnet the less capable agents activated later on

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and how many waves are there

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Those would be useful in combat, I agree, and it's our edge against other factions, but even if those are gone, a Division Agent should still have some very useful skills to contribute to any community.

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Jury rigging gear, taking apart scrap to repair or recreate desired gear is one basic skill, case in point, Survival.

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yes but in the fact that issac is down things as complex as 3d printers is not something every single indevidual is capable of creating without some help

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Yeah, odd that, hell, in that recording between an Agent and Rhodes, I'd take the side of the Agent after Rhodes turned her down and sent her away.

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and with the fact that alot of agents probably died due to the sudden loss of tech

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there arent many surviving that

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Probably didn't die Due to the loss of tech, more like inadvertantly died due to the loss of tech. and I don't think many agents died inadvertantly due to the loss of tech.

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Too many rogues, despite one Agent almost singlehandedly bringing back upper Manhattan to the JTF in 1. F Rhodes.

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Even with the loss of tech, a Div Agent should still be capable enough in a firefight, but it's only a nerf, not enough to throw away Agents... Unless they were really foolish.

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(Let me try this again) Our agent repelled a whole attack on the white house from a the hyenas gang

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... which Rhodes certainly was.

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ah it didn't block the message this time!

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"A-holes" triggered automod, it seems

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True, and mind, that assault by the Hyenas didn't look that large, even without us hitting them from the back, the JTF should have been able to repel a force of that size given the walls, barricades, and troopers inside.

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Officially, they're a skeleton crew, but who in their right minds would leave a SKELETON CREW to staff the iconic seat of power of the United States?

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Much less respond to an attack dressed in nothing but T-shirts and tactical pants... Not a hint of body armour, despite being on guard duty.

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and the stealing of resources from them to

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they were pushed all the way back to the white house

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Yeah, I can imagine why they're hated by everyone. They're the government.

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unlike in td1 where they had people everywhere doing things

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who hates everyone

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I'm pretty sure the JTF isn't as hated as the criminals killing people and the deserters executing civilians.

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becasue joining any faction would be a death trap

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The JTF likely represents the weak, ineffectual government who have mismanaged the crisis, time and time again.

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President Waller (I think)'s only effective action was to activate Directive 51, which, was a mixed bag, thanks to several factors.

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His successor, Menendez, got himself a quiet nap time while in office, a heart attack, according to reports. Two Secret Service Agents also took a vacation.

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And then we had Ellis.

So, the powers that be, weren't exactly great at managing the situation, and a good deal of the work had been done by people on the ground, without direction from the federal government in general.

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The ones doing the work were local leaders, who may or may not have been JTF, but they're not upper management, so to speak. The upper management, went on a holiday to a secure bunker, likely still guarded by "Strategic-level Division Agents".

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Or Black Tusk who've likely killed off those guys.

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But even without background knowledge, to the common person on the ground, the old government of the US abandoned them or mismanaged them, and it's that reputation that haunts Washington JTF... And likely other JTF branches or divisions.

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They've been rather quiet, at least to the Agents on the ground, us. No directives from above, just Manny, Rhodes, Faye, or Capt. Benitez. Well, except for that one op during the Falcon Lost incursion, that even had Faye questioning their legitimacy. Some commission that wanted to bomb the water supply.

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Local leaders in that state. We've not heard much from the government who had been evacuated for "their protection", which means that if we barely, or scarcely hear anything from them, how much more a civilian on the ground? For all intents and purposes, the government of the US went AWOL, and the JTF represent those scumbags.

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Am surprised there's no faction that has neutral standings

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Not the settlements , not the Hyenas or etc

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Just a faction that is fully neutral, if attacked, they attack back

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Or certain factions being allied with eachother

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Currently it's just good guys vs bad guys

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Like some True Sons could be true sons, but don't want to harm anyone so stay neutral.

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I mean certain True Son squads, such as perhaps a random patrol that doesn't wanna kill anyone

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The morals of the current universe is just kill or be killed

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For certain factions allied with one another, it's currently the BT and the True Sons.

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I see them shooting eachother though-

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Would have been nice to have some of Lewis' defectors rolling up with us, but welp.

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I do see people talking about the fact they're allied, but they always seem to be shooting at eachother for me

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General Anderson and Capt. Lewis' split during Hidden Alliance or the Price of Power manhunt got the alliance between BT and TS, and a split in the TS, between General Anderson, Lewis' defectors, and maybe a third faction of TS who didn't want to follow Anderson into the Black Tusk alliance.

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So... What am hearing is...

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Some TS shoots black tusk some don't, and all TS are allied with eachother? My lord confusing

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Supposedly, there should be some TS shooting at each other, but Lewis' faction likely reverted into JTF... Wally, at the Castle used to be True Son, I think.

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For gameplay reasons true sons are still hostile with black tusk

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WALLY???

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Outside of certain missions

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Yeah, fat woman behind the desk.

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Fair enough with that

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Not exactly what you think of when thinking of a True Son. But she did defect with Capt. Lewis.

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Zamn ok

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Now I just have significant distrust in everyone in the Division universe

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I don't know the lore of Division 1 or the past ehem... 11 seasons but uh yea

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Hell, BT can't even trust themselves.

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McManus the anus has Hunter personnel embedded in BT.

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Natalia Sokolova had one of her BT guys executed because he defied her, so you know BT can't even trust their boss.

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Also weird how Hunters work with any faction during countsown

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That's also not forgetting we have rogue Agents, and True Sons being former JTF.

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But fair enough considering they only hunt agents, they likely are working with the faction

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Hunters work for Homeland Security... Guess what agency is also supposed to be under the Department of Homeland Security.

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SHD 💀

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So basically, there's also a internal HS war between Hunters and Agents

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And Hunters also supposedly hunt rogue agents right?

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Hunters are basically the 3rd wave

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This is so goofy

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hunters hunt both rogue and non rogue agents

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Most of 1st wave are dead or rogue, second wave are mostly SHD agents still and third wave are hunters

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I don't think Hunters are a third wave.

cobalt knoll
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Super simple enough but still weird

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hunters are not 3rd wave

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Yeah but might as well

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I think Hunters were created the second McManus learned of the SHD.

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first wave ethr went rogue or MIA 2nd wave( our wave) ether went rogue MIa OR ARE DEAD

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the third wave is going to go rogue, MIA or die again

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Amazing.

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Besides, the Third Wave would only apply to NYC, given what went down there. Everywhere else might still be on the First Wave, unless stated.

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Real great job ISAC.

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yea but most of the first wave went rogue to surivive

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Didn't some of them get stuck in the DZ as well?

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yea

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If you heard the comms, in NYC Warlords, you'd hear that their recruitment procedures were rushed and they cut corners.

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As in the case of Connelly, and Dragov.

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i mean if i was left to die in the DZ ur bet you butt im going rogue to live another day

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Keener passed his perfectly without much reservation, however, so make of that what you will.

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Hunters are the clean up crew sent after agents that are causing too much of a problem to the McManus/BTSU agenda.

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Suprised they never sent a hunter after Keener

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Or they tried, but they didn't send their best.

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Is White Tusk ever mentioned in game?

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Or focused on the NYC Agent and the Sheriff, as they still had the backing of the JTF and could do even more damage.

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Well, I wouldn't know, haven't done Legendary yet.

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Hell, the only spec ops group I know in BT was the BTSU.

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BT did recruit much of whoever was left of the LMB though.

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LMB is another PMC in Division 1 right?

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My headcanon is white tusk is comprised of former lmb hence the uniforms

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THE PMC in D1.

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Yea that's what I meant

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Last Man Battalion or sum, weird name though..

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And yes, they were. Which is why they rock the old support stations...

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"We will fight to the last man." That was one of their slogans.

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Normal bt units rock the support station tho

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Lemme clarify, which is why some BT troops deploy the old LMB support stations

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Ah

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They do, those guys were the ones who got the correct uniform

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Kek

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Fashion mishaps going on in btsu

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Supply and logistics issue, I'm afraid. Or someone accidentally dropped a boat load of bleach into the wash during laundry day

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I seriously do wonder how the structural command is for the factions

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At least it's bleach, and not some BT sniper's lucky red lingerie.

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Now introducing, Pink Tusk.

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It's clear that Black Tusk and True Sons has a command structure

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True Sons likely use US military ranks, unfortunately, there had been conflicts due to Naval ranks also being used.

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That's considered a dictatorship lmfao

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Hence, Captain Lewis commanding a Major. Because Captain Lewis was a naval officer, and is akin to a Colonel.

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Ah, fair enough

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Hyenas, are basically gangs lead by a council. Ostensibly, each gang is their own, but fly Hyena colours, and have to listen to the Council.

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Ironically enough, one of our first kills was a Hyena Council member, Saint, and Coyote was considered the highest ranking Hyena, before we assaulted District Union Arena.

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Oh thats how Hyenas work?

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Yeah, they're just gangs who bunched together to not get fucked over by the True Sons.

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Doesn't mean they're actually united, but strength in numbers, lest they get picked apart piece by piece.

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Am presuming True Sons were the most organized and well armed group before Black Tusk came

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You'd be correct

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The Outcasts, however, are basically a religious insurgency/militant cult centred around Emeline Shaw.

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Lmfao

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I'm surprised they didn't bother shouting out Allahu Emeline before going to their 72 strippers.

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We out here getting cults, gangs and facists

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This game is so funny

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You're also forgetting your fellow Agents.

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Now tbh I don't know much about the SHD itself other then ISAC being dumb af

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We have Agents nutty enough to go into battle dressed in garbage bags, short shorts, Hawaiian t-shirts, or dressed as the enemy factions.

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... I'll admit to dressing up as an enemy combatant. BTSU drip is drippy.

cobalt knoll
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Hey, they got options to dress up as a Cleaner, True Son, Outcast, Hyena, and a Rikers.

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Guess I quite literally have a target painted on my head

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Orange watch, JTF beret

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As well as two or three sets of BTSU combat uniforms.

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Literally a target painted on my head and hand

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The JTF kit, is kind of harder to source, given the only ones that seems to match is the JTF beret, and the Field Operative pants.

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They have the same camo pattern, green digital.

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I run the JTF beret cause I like the looks of it, and then just mixed it with Umbrella Corps uniform

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Should prolly make it look a tad bit better then that ngl

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The JTF uniform, in the shop, is an outdated First Wave JTF BDU, I think.

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Ah

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Don't you dare.

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Don't give them it Graves

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... We kinda do.

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This mf is wearing nothing but a vest to combat

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We had an Agent run into combat with one of her nipples on full display, before Internal Affairs clamped down hard on her.

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😐

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As for short shorts, even the NPCs reference it, hockey mask, Hawaiian t-shirt, and short shorts.

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Agents need to respecc the drip more man...

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Some do, others went mad from revelations.

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SHD has no dressing standards lol

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Surprised the Hunters don't also dress like us

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Blame McManus. He likely cut corners on the laundry budget.

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There is a dress code for the Hunters, though. Heavy combat armour, and ballistic mask.

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Now... What about the rogue agents..

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Though their designs, aren't standardized.

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Excluding Player DZ Rogue agents

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Those don't count, screw them-

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The Rogues, ostensibly, are hit worse with the cuts to laundry day budget cuts.

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Those dark clothing they're wearing? It's not naturally dark or black.

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It's just THAT dirty.

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You're joking.

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My guys hasn't had a shower in months

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I am, I think... But comparing their kit to ours, and ours do not go that dark.

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If you've every gone to the White House, Campus settlement, or Theatre Settlement, and then logged out there, I think our Agent is forced by everyone else to shower.

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But seriously, some ops just send us into the water to get washed anyways.

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To be fair

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Kelso did tell us in CD Contamination final objective to go decontaminate lmfao

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To be fair, we muck around with DC-62 and Green Poison infected areas.

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Anywhere with an Outcast infestation is just asking to get shoved into decontamination.

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And there's also the NASA mission, forgot what the exact name, True Sons held location with the SHD satellite module...

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Considering we basically just "fast travel" back to base

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I feel like we ended up getting forced to decontam

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Likely broke into someone's old home to use the shower on the way.

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Our agents go superspeed when fast travelling, funny

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We go through field hospitals, piles of trash, government buildings, and aforementioned Outcast infested AOs...

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I also question how our agents can just fast travel to a combat zone lmfao

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As some Agents theorise, ISAC cyborg bits.

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Like, do they just walk into the combat zone, then just pull out their weapons and suddenly start fighting

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Spawn right in the middle of enemies, with Settlement militias and hostiles fighting each others, then suddenly a division agent walks in, stops for a bit, then pulls out their weapons and starts fighting

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Beam me up ISAC. Explains why some Agents end up on site disoriented enough to be standing around what should be an active hotzone.

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Or we probably do a little bit of war crimes, take off our SHD kit while fast traveling, looking like an odd civilian, then when we're in the AO, dress up and load up.

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Lmfao..

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Then finally, for the last faction in DC, the garbage men, not the Cleaners, the ones dressed in all black, wielding garbage can lids like Captain America, bows, and a chainsaw, to this day, we still don't know what's up with those guys.

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The Ambushers? And the loot goblin guy?

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They do, however, seem to field DC-62 or Green Poison for their gas grenades

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Yeah, we used to just call them the Underground..
I still call them garbage men, even with the reintroduction of the Cleaners.

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Aren't the Underground the guys that pop up at night with flashlights on their shoulders

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Uh, you'd be surprised to learn, that the Outcast and the True Sons also deploy with flashlights on their chest rigs at night.

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They even have different colours of flashlights.

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Oh... Well I know for a fact there's 2 minor factions in DC

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The Ambushers and The Undergrounders

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Or they're both mixed.. idk now tbh

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So minor, that I can't tell the difference between those two and just blast both to be safe

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Kill them all, God will sort them out.

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Or ISAC.

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Well I certainly know that the Ambushers are the guys that randomly jumps you with a loot goblin tryna take ur loot or the guys with the damn medieval bows

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I disagree.

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They're not medieval bows. They're compound bows, likely looted from a sporting goods store.

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Don't care, it's a bow fighting a gun anyway

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I can tell because when those guys notch their arrows, I can hear the wheels spinning.

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I always kill them with a weapon stock to the face for tryna kill me with a damn bow

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And yes, they use those guys as assaults. The Outcasts use their bowmen as snipers.

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Outcast also has bowmen??? Now that's something I didn't know-

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Technically, we have Survivalists, but given the meta, not many Survivalist Agents.

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Well.. now am just imagining the amount of people picking Firewall to fuel their arsonist inside

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I know I would use it for that.

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Or making sure their Cleaner cosplay is on point.

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Fair enough

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Can't be a Cleaner without a flamer.

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Technician is just asking to become a nerd lol

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BTSU.

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they're all nerds.

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Yuuka, so are WE.

cobalt knoll
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Kill them by gunnin them down! Just pull a no Russian!

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It's in the job description.

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That's why we have Gunner!!!

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If only ISAC didn't exist I would be dumber

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If we weren't forced to use guns, I could imagine you going unga bunga with a club.

cobalt knoll
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Oh how I wish the Crusader Shield was a bulwark with a primary weapon mount...

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They need to add melee weapons to this game.

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Am going to run a melee status effect build with a taser, and tase every hostile.

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We have a few holsters that boost your melee.

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Which is odd, because those should have been gloves.

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The saint Elmo's is the closest to tasing someone by slapping them with the gun stock

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Shocker Punch, the new exotic holster, and Claws Out, which just buffs your melee damage.

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... Both of them holsters...

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Goofy.

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I seriously question why the devs even added melee damage buffs if... There's not even anything viable for them..

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Not even viable at challenging, mind.

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Those melee buffs were only tailored it seems, to normal or hard mode.

cobalt knoll
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Yes..

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Given how intertwined BT, the Hunters, and the SHD are, the odds of a Hunter embedded into the BT also being activated as a Division Agent might well be a non-zero chance.

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Goofy..

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Considering that thanks to all outfits being shared across your account, your level 1 Agent at Haven could already be rocking BTSU kit. Or Hunter kit.

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Give old Agent Sanders a heart attack dressed up as a Hunter.

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That would just be hilarious

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People who have gotten the descent comms, is it just a big Splinter Cell reference or is there actual lore there?

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I feel like agents are just drones

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Not mindless mind you

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Black tusk are nothing more than a restored illegal private army that was once called blackwater

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Or was it black watch

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I wonder what happened to the cleaners during this

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I hope they are recruited by BT as cannon fodder, just so I can destroy them all in one blow

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Rikers, Cleaners, Outcasts, too crazy or incompatible with BT goals and methods.

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Rioters and Hyenas, they don't make the cut for BT, not even close.

True Sons, same as well, but their goals align somewhat, and they're still somewhat better than rioters and Hyenas.

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Rioters and outcasts are prob the only ones i can sympathize with

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true sons, BT and LMB are the worst of them all

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Complete opposite for me, I suppose.

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for there own selfish reasons

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Rioters are just starving.
Outcasts suffered a lot and wants revenge

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And LMB, BTSU and True Sons just want to enslave and reign

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tbh that is the worst kind of evil

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And seriously, just look at my profile pic to see what I believe in

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i fail to see how a world where innocent people can be protected from criminality and disorder under some sense of a rule of law, is better than allowing criminals and anarchists to disrupt communities and cause people to suffer for their own selfish gain

sleek plover
# sick lantern i fail to see how a world where innocent people can be protected from criminalit...

To be ruled and be controlled by oppression is a fate worse than death.

By being "protected," you relinquish your very right, humanity and dignity under the whims of the powerful.

Humanity is better of going extinct than to be plunged into such "order."

And I dont want to go too RL.political, but I genuinely believe anarchy is the salvation of humanity, and chaos can be a force of good where law and order becomes oppressive.
Think John Brown for example.

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Why is the rioter working with the True Sons in the viewpoint museum? Or is that a True Son dressed up as a rioter?

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And...there was one mission that hyenas were imprisoned inside true sons occupation so..

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I just don't get why they are working together in that mission, why is the ambusher even there is what I'm trying to figure out.

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...And I never seen ambushers in a proper mission before tbh.

There was one mission where you have to protect some beekeeper fellow from the undergrounders but...

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The part where Wade from the True Sons is in the production room and then one of them comes in and warns him of the SHD agent and they leave together but he never shows up again. It makes no sense.

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And according to the wiki, it seems like they do.

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Dev oversight maybe

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The only thing I can think of is that they used the wrong character model but I thought there could be another reason.

sleek plover
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Never knew about this.

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Speaking lorewise, ambushers, rioters, underground and raiders are just robbers without proper faction affiliation.

Maybe the guys a new recruit or something

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Or the true sons conscripted him like the tyrants they are

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Well if he was a new recruit he didn't last long seeing as he is never seen again

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Maybe they gave him a uniform or sum

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Also why are the True Sons carving the symbol into their arms? It's definitely not a tattoo lol.

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The only True Sons I respect are the ones under Lewis

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"This is war" he said.

War my ass, its just crazy fascists like true sons and BTSU doing fascist shits

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Its a pest extermination, and they are the pests

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If it wasn't for Ridgeway a lot of this wouldn't have happened, I wonder what faction would have taken it's place.

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Maybe the JTF would be more powerful