td2-general-chat

[hazy snow]

Did I say I had a pc I have a gaming laptop

[tiny oar]

ah

yeah thats not the same xd

rip you

[hazy snow]

See the issue now

[hazy snow]

Not a big deal

[tiny oar]

laptops are pretty bad overall

[hazy snow]

I have 104gb free now that the update is done

So I’m fine

[tiny oar]

i mean performance wise

and adaptability

[hazy snow]

What do you mean by that

[tiny oar]

you cant upgrade

[hazy snow]

I just like a laptop cuz I’m mobile cuz I live 5 days a week somewhere and in the weekend I go back home each week so that better for me

[tiny oar]

yeah, but that limits your power

[hazy snow]

I’m not a gamer that wants everything on the highest

For me medium is the lowest I will go and so far I had no issues

[soft stratus]

oh hey the game linked with my ubi account. 44/60 steam achievements, look at me now mom!

logs in to a "Summer update" expecting bikini armor, but sees a cowboy outfit instead

[vivid tangle]

Hey 👋!!!

[unique bramble]

Yeah I really remember using a cyberpunk cowboy outfit on US summer seasons

[frosty wadi]

The devs designing the worst possible cowboy style designs for bundles that are late for the season

[tiny oar]

i want the cyberpunk skins but they so expensive wtf

like they cost more than the game + dlc

[unique bramble]

Aren't they supposed to be "buyable" with textiles in the shop?

[frosty wadi]

Its wild how the best bundle during this season was a battlepass outfit that was released over a year ago with a new mask

[frosty wadi]

No

[tiny oar]

nope, half the store is premum credits only

and this outfit is on of them

[vivid tangle]

Well on that note what if they added some oriental type clothes and armor to the game

[frosty wadi]

Oriental?

[vivid tangle]

Like Japanese or Chinese

That stuff

[frosty wadi]

There is a Chinese version of the game…

[molten spire]

that was last season with the samurai style outfit in the premium season track

[frosty wadi]

With its own dev team

[tiny oar]

wut

[frosty wadi]

Yea

[lavish sandal]

chinese div2 has insane cosmo skins

[vivid tangle]

Oh I didn’t know that

[tiny oar]

show me

[frosty wadi]

Idk I don’t have pics but yeah the Chinese version is practically a different game and has its own separate development team handling it

[vivid tangle]

I was meaning like for everyone with out the pass

[spare cove]

Chinese div 2 cosmetics feels like your typical F2P asian game cosmetics

[lavish sandal]

they also have new summit mode where you go down to the abyss

[frosty wadi]

I mean its literally Chinese what do you expect

[vivid tangle]

I gotta get my hands on it

[unique bramble]

I hate the fact that the cool sci-fi military outfits are only for the players in China.

[vivid tangle]

Is it possible to switch servers?

[frosty wadi]

I hate that we get stuff trying to be that vibe instead of just getting that stuff for ourselves

[molten spire]

no, you need a working Chinese phone number to even get in line

[vivid tangle]

Dang

[unique bramble]

The Chinese version has a bit different programming, probably not possible.

[vivid tangle]

Okay

[tender wave]

It's way more p2w from what I've heard

[frosty wadi]

Chinese version is pretty much a separate game that they can release content for

[tender wave]

There wouldn't be any cross compatibility between the games now either, too many differences

[molten spire]

but it has bikini tops for the people who want to play Division with one hand!

[tiny oar]

i just saw some chinese skins

holy f they look gorgeous

[undone timber]

You look at the Chinese version and go wow sick skins sick new modes

[vivid tangle]

Bro really

[undone timber]

Then you look at the monetisation

[tiny oar]

yeah the prices look awful

[vivid tangle]

I can look past it

[tiny oar]

you'd pay so much just to play and thats without skins

[molten spire]

same thing with humanity from the start of time: you want what you can't have

followed by: people will do stupid things for fashion

[unique bramble]

Yeah they look like something from halo, Titanfall, destiny, and we can't use it

[tiny oar]

but wait, its not from ubisfot tho ?

its an entirely separate company

they just copy and paste

[molten spire]

the publisher is different but you still have Ubi Shanghai contributing

[tiny oar]

nah thats more than this

people want to live good, anything else is greed

[undone timber]

It's tencent or netease or something running CN

[kind veldt]

it's a licensed chinese version that is technically handled by someone else but ubi gets their cut

[molten spire]

It's Tencent

[kind veldt]

due laws regarding limited time, which companies can handle things in china you get stuff like that

[tiny oar]

yeah so its not ubi, they just own the rights and get their share, but they dont make anything or control anything

[kind veldt]

they also have like absurdly OP bizarro exotics and weird progression system

[tiny oar]

well, its basically p2w

[undone timber]

Yeah their exotics with our systems would be absolutely broken

[tiny oar]

so thats normal

[undone timber]

Ouro cranked up to 1 billion

[tiny oar]

well you gotta bait people into buying it

and spend their money

[kind veldt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxGgpi2lyKE

if you are curious about how crazy things go

[frosty wadi]

Honestly at this point Id enjoy some random insanely broken exotic getting added

[kind veldt]

ouroboros

[tiny oar]

no you wouldnt

[frosty wadi]

Lamest gun in existence

[tiny oar]

people want the next broken thing until they realize..... it break the game and its not fun anymore

[frosty wadi]

Oreo is only good because the devs cranked the stats on it, its perk is almost nonexistent

[tiny oar]

yeah, its called balance

some dps come from stats, other dps comes from talents

[unique bramble]

So they have a poison weapon after all, interesting.

[molten spire]

St Elmo's and Ouro are desirable because they are stat sticks, not because the talents are especially strong

[tiny oar]

yeah

[frosty wadi]

Thats called bad game design, making an exclusive exotic top of the line weapon thats meant to be unique only good because the baseline stats are just factually better than other weapons

[vivid tangle]

We need these thing in the division 2 buuuut there are not gonna add it

[undone timber]

Make exotics great again

Unique models and talents

[tiny oar]

thats factually wrong

[molten spire]

Especially in comparison to Sacrum and Ruthless/Merciless

[tiny oar]

if i make a gun with bad stats but broken talent, its still broken the same as a broken stats but bad talent

[frosty wadi]

Literally just give like 70% of the exotics in the game a buff, doesn’t matter how small or how large just give most of them a buff

[tiny oar]

you cant buff them too much or high end becomes useless

[vagrant cosmos]

Hi guys,how can I disable a manhunt mission?
For example Jefferson Trade Center is currently a manhunt mission but I want the story mission

[frosty wadi]

Most of the exotics have been useless for several years

[molten spire]

this just ties into how from the "real" Season 5 onwards they clearly had run out of good ideas for new talents

[tiny oar]

press the mission mode button

[tiny oar]

and its fine

[tender wave]

Open mission options screen and look for the 'toggle mission mode' prompt

[vivid tangle]

They should get ideas from us in this server

[undone timber]

We need resolve for exotics tbh

[frosty wadi]

Ive said this before

[vagrant cosmos]

Thanks a lot guys! and Sorry for the stupid question!

[tiny oar]

no stupid question

[unique bramble]

Or maybe bring some stuff from the div1 and div2 pre-WONY era.

[molten spire]

why else do you think what they ship is something that already exists but worse?

[tiny oar]

yeah and its a bad idea

[kind veldt]

i mean div1 had guns that were just busted stats and talent wise

[vivid tangle]

Idk

[frosty wadi]

Not making exotics that 1% of the player base uses good is balanced?

[kind veldt]

big alejandro and the house

[undone timber]

Showstopper was fairly novel

Medved too but that was trash

Cassidy was great

[tiny oar]

make an exotic better than every other gun => everybody uses this exotic => gj you destroyed build diversity and everybody stop farming cause there is nothing to farm once you got this exo

[undone timber]

Elmo:

[tiny oar]

elmo isnt even good lol

[vivid tangle]

I like td1 a little better though, and idk why

[molten spire]

Elmo + Striker be like

[frosty wadi]

Imperial dynasty is an exotic that could very easily be pretty fun if they just buffed it but they choose not to, it doesn’t even need a rework it just needs a buff

[spare cove]

Because you worship it and Revere it like a god?

[tiny oar]

yeah lets buff it so you're perma on fire and oh look, pvp is unplayable now good job

[vivid tangle]

Haven’t touched it in 3 years bro

[molten spire]

Imperial was gutted because of PvP interactions

[tiny oar]

really im glad none of yall are in charge of balance

[frosty wadi]

Its wild how insane some of the defenders of this game are

[kind veldt]

different games with different rules, people will always prefer one over the other

[frosty wadi]

Like look at yourself

[spare cove]

Here we go again

[tiny oar]

i dont defend the game, im calling your ideas out

[unique bramble]

The house? My D3-FNC build says otherwise

[molten spire]

this actually was the Conflict scene during Imperial Dynasty's initial run

[kind veldt]

i dont see how saying an exotic is good has anything to do with a gear set

[tiny oar]

you litterally proposed to delete every gun in the game except yours and think this is good lmao

[kind veldt]

????

[tiny oar]

why even have builds just make everyone have a single gun

[tender wave]

Tbf you're implying it's impossible to buff the weaker exotics without them becoming way stronger than every alternative

[frosty wadi]

You shut down concepts of making the sandbox of a game that is clearly pve focused more engaging and fun while not changing much about balance

[tiny oar]

not what i said

[tender wave]

It could be possible to buff them so they're simply in line with other options

[tiny oar]

no i shut down stupid ideas that are clearly flawed if you think more than 3s

[kind veldt]

well you are shooting people down when they say X need a buff

[frosty wadi]

We currently are already broken ass op all people want is the ability to use other exotics and not immediately become trash because of one or two things holding them back because a dev made a number small

[unique bramble]

I thought you said it was bad

[tiny oar]

not what i do, i shot down people with stupid buff idea, i dont shot down people saying "x is bad and need a buff"

[kind veldt]

i was saying the opposite, div1 exotics were both busted good guns with good talents

[tiny oar]

like yeah, some exotics are bad and need a rework or a buff, thats not new

but you guys propose to make them broken beyond measure

and force people to play only that

[frosty wadi]

Game balance is not spending the time crafting and developing content that nobody wants to use because its just factually worse than most of the content they already have

[tiny oar]

thats what you propose tho

you propose you make a gun that make every other gun unplayable

[frosty wadi]

What I propose is that we get another project resolve that ACTUALLY resolves the issues with gear balance

[tiny oar]

you litterally say "make x broken"

[kind veldt]

i mean i want sweet dreams to be buffed to have some good secondary effect after hitting people with melee

[tiny oar]

that i can agree, not the rest of what you said

[kind veldt]

can we got a quote on that? cause no offense you are doing a lot of hyperbole

[tiny oar]

yeah div 2 need balancing thats not a novel idea

[frosty wadi]

You ignore everything I say because of one sentence
The defenders of this game ignore the problems it has because they need to keep playing due to their own addiction

[tiny oar]

@kind veldt

[vivid tangle]

😱

[tiny oar]

im not hyperbolic

[lavish sandal]

got festive delivery with double crits (so I can change the core), took 2 hours at DZ south loot goblit spawn, not bad

[tiny oar]

who's defending anything here ?

[frosty wadi]

Can you clearly not see that its in reference to the chinese edition and clearly not serious in nature

This is why the community is so dense

[tiny oar]

how am i supposed to guess that ?

[frosty wadi]

You care more about people with criticism than the game

I want to see this game make changes to better itself, you don’t

[undone timber]

most exotics only need some bodging to be competitive

[tiny oar]

wild that people say stuff, i react to what they say and suddenly im a bad person for that cause they mean something they didnt say and im supposed to know that they didnt mean what they said, even tho they never said they didnt mean that

i said several times exotics and game overall need balance update

[frosty wadi]

Stuff like imperial dynasty imo is the biggest example of literally just needing its numbers changed and thats it

[tiny oar]

yet you say i defend the game without criticizing it

[undone timber]

wh-

[frosty wadi]

Elmo is the best weapon in the game for someone with anything under 200 shd, which is a lot

[ancient lance]

Aaron Keener is literally impossible to kill in the Division 2. And before anyone says anything, my gear is good

[unique bramble]

I love how a discussion about the cowboy skin evolved into a discussion about the balance of the game in general

[frosty wadi]

The boss? Skill issue

[ancient lance]

Difficulty spikes are dumb

[kind veldt]

well i think sweet dreams should at least be able to confuse elites if you hit them with melee and a secondary effect like the old bonus armor on melee hit since you are in close range and is risky so a defensive makes sense, or a crazier buff like 50% rof for a short time

[undone timber]

who's gonna tell him lol

his boss fight is pretty simple though

[kind veldt]

well if you are running a skill build then i agree that fight is just a hard counter

[ancient lance]

Not a skill issue. It's an Ubisoft issue. I've conquered soulslikes

[tiny oar]

im rpetty sure 90% of the player based killed him tho

[kind veldt]

otherwise is about using a lot of armor kits that drop from the skills and keeping distance

if oyu are in group

[tiny oar]

soulslike arent hard xd

[kind veldt]

it's a free kill if you kept shock ammo on your pistol

[frosty wadi]

Isn’t the keener fight on story difficultly?

[tiny oar]

yes xd

[undone timber]

vast majority of players have killed him to access endgame

[unique bramble]

The division 2 isn't Elden Ring bro

[frosty wadi]

Thats just wrong

[vivid tangle]

💀

[ancient lance]

It's still a good game but it's piss poorly designed boss fight

[undone timber]

its on story too

[kind veldt]

yeah but to be fair, when you are doing story you dont exactly have tip top gear

[tiny oar]

bro im litterally a gamer so bad i cant win anything, and souls are like not hard

[frosty wadi]

Fair

[ancient lance]

Doesn't matter. It's still dogwater game design

[tiny oar]

its pretty well designed, its a you problem here bud

[undone timber]

if its the drones just use a jammer or something

[undone timber]

we all beat it lol

[tiny oar]

if you cant beat keener when everybody else did, you're the pb, not the devs

[undone timber]

its razorback lite

[frosty wadi]

Just do a call for backup

[tiny oar]

even i did and im bad

[barren tiger]

i like the jacket and shirt and the back pack but that's it

[vivid tangle]

Bro do you need help whatcha play on ima help you

[kind veldt]

okay let's be a bit more positive here, what is the issue you are having in the fight?

[tiny oar]

positive thinking ? in my gamer discord ? what a wild thought

cant have that, need to ban birdshot !

[kind veldt]

dont worry i hate you too ;) (pls dont take this seriously)

[ancient lance]

I'm hammering my guns into him but douchebag keeps healing

[kind veldt]

think he has around 2-3 armor kits

[unique bramble]

And limitless healing skills

[kind veldt]

he cant use them in quickly succession so try to get in a good position ot burst him down

[undone timber]

he stops healing after a while same as hunters

[tender wave]

Keep the pressure on him, stay close so you can interrupt his skill use, kill any skill proxies he launches, duck back into cover when he's actively shooting at you

[ancient lance]

Okay that just proves me point of Ubisoft piss poor boss design.

[ancient lance]

I do that and it still doesn't work

[tiny oar]

nnot really, you just play the wrong way, you can cancel his healing

[kind veldt]

he is meant to be an agent so he can heal like you and use skills, that's kinda the point of rogue as challenges

[tiny oar]

my guess is you have a bad build

[unique bramble]

You should see the recruiter boss level design

[tender wave]

And yeah, use the shock bullets from the marauder area, preferably on a shotgun, to stunlock him

[undone timber]

its not bad boss design its a build/skill issue

[vivid tangle]

Triple gamer tag pls ima help

[undone timber]

is all your gear underlevelled or something

[kind veldt]

i mean completely screwing skill builds can be annoying

[tiny oar]

show us your build triple eight

[undone timber]

no cross play

[ancient lance]

It's all 40s. Targeted gear. I told you all my gear is good

[vivid tangle]

I have it on plantation too

[tiny oar]

you say its good but you lose vs keener so its bad

[kind veldt]

do you have a lot of blue cores?

[tiny oar]

just show us your build

[kind veldt]

with that i mean armor rolls

[undone timber]

but at that point it becomes obvious its a gear issue

[ancient lance]

Ubisoft has bad developers attached to games with potential. That's just a cold hard reality.

[tiny oar]

"my build is good" => doesnt show build

[kind veldt]

man i'm trying to help you and dodge questions

[unique bramble]

Exactly

[undone timber]

not a statement i disagree with but is irrelevant to div2 level design lol

[tiny oar]

"hard cold reality" => you lose vs an easy boss

[undone timber]

like what are you even using

[tiny oar]

stop being toxic and accept the help

[ancient lance]

I don't have time for this. I will just go back to the game when I buy an Xbox Series X. Aaron Keener is a badly made cheapskate boss and it is what it is.

[tiny oar]

"i dont have time for this" spend 10 min ranting about devs

[undone timber]

everyone beat him lol

[kind veldt]

congrats you just proved yourself being at fault

[vivid tangle]

Bro 💀

[tiny oar]

congratz on not beating the game on easiest difficulty

when 99% of players did

[unique bramble]

Send a photo of your build in #td2-build-advice then.
Trust me, Keener on story difficulty isn't that hard bro.

[barren tiger]

what gear do you have? Not level but actual gear?

[vivid tangle]

I can understand kajika but not keener

[full zinc]

🍿 🥱 , i needed some morning entertainment

[tiny oar]

for real kajika is harder lmao

[tiny oar]

same xd

[ancient lance]

Kajika is easy

[undone timber]

wtf lmao

[tiny oar]

then beat keener

or skill issue

[vivid tangle]

Do you can beat keener then right?

[undone timber]

kajikas level design is innately more annoying than keener

[vivid tangle]

Exactly

[lavish sandal]

Kajika is the easiest for me

[tiny oar]

remember when he said "i dont have time for this" but he is still here ranting ?

[vivid tangle]

Unless you where helped through it

[undone timber]

doesnt help that you can't kill his ass immediately

damn health gates

[tiny oar]

yeah that was annoying i even killed him before boss fight xd

[unique bramble]

*Shoots you
*Teleports
*Repeat like 3 times
*Teleports
*Tries to kill you with a machete
*Refuse to elaborate further

[barren tiger]

Is it a skill build or a damage build or armor/tanky build?

[ancient lance]

This game has dumbest diffulty spikes like Path Of Exile. No wonder people just play Elden Ring instead.

[tiny oar]

no you dont get it its a "dev bad build"

lul

"i dont have time for this" but he is still here ranting ?

[ancient lance]

It is a selfish developer issue

[vivid tangle]

Dude go the td1 route

[tiny oar]

nah u just bad bro

[vivid tangle]

Selfish because a boss is hard

[lavish sandal]

try descent mode, that's the real difficulty spike, not some wony boss

[barren tiger]

or do you have a mix and match set of gear? that's all level 40

[tiny oar]

he refuses to show us his build lmao cause "i dont have time for this"

he still ranting here tho

so he has time to rant, not to screenshot it seem

[vivid tangle]

I wanna fight him in the dz

[tiny oar]

same xd

[vivid tangle]

If keener is this hard then

[undone timber]

if you could rework a single exotic which would it be

[vivid tangle]

Take a break

[full zinc]

d2 isnt hard with the right builds. generally if the difficulty is hard to overcome its a gear or user knowledge issue

[tiny oar]

if keener is hard he wont beat challenging let alone heroic or legendary

[barren tiger]

When i frist did wony on xbox, i had a brand set instead of an actual build lol

[unique bramble]

For someone that "doesn't have time for that" you are having plenty of time to hate the devs because you couldn't kill keener on the easiest difficulty

[vivid tangle]

The chameleon

[barren tiger]

Think it was AF or AB something like that lol

[vivid tangle]

Okay so, to get off the topic anyone on Xbox wanna play

[undone timber]

I'd get on but it's 11pm

[full zinc]

#lfg-xbox

[barren tiger]

Fenris Group AB that was it

[tiny oar]

5pm here

[kind veldt]

Sweet dreams, would like small tweaks to ridgway

[tiny oar]

not the worst brand if you play ar

[barren tiger]

and yeah keener even on story mode kicked my ass solo

[undone timber]

ridgeway is so cool but so situational

[tiny oar]

tbh i'd make actual talent a passive talent that proc on other gun equipped, and have an actual talent on it

[vivid tangle]

Bro hold on, I’ll restart so I can beat keener

[barren tiger]

i didn't look at anything other than the bonus lol

[tiny oar]

most gear and guns are

[unique bramble]

Let me guess, Singapore?

[full zinc]

with the one endgame changes im not sure why anyone is worrying about keener on story.... you can get the shd watch without and go back with a proper build for ny missions

[undone timber]

if you bring heat and Faraday field you can straight up kill him in his shock phase and skip the ending lol

[tiny oar]

gears and gun that go everywhere are the exception

[undone timber]

yeee

[tiny oar]

like striker

[barren tiger]

but once i got things figured out it all became easy

[vivid tangle]

I beat him twice before now I think I remember well

[barren tiger]

@ancient lance is having an issue taking on keener on story but says he has good gear without sharing

and blames it on the devs 🙄

[vivid tangle]

Hold I’ll show yall mine and I beat keener with this messed up thing I called a build at the time

[undone timber]

iI just threw on whatever had the biggest numbers

[full zinc]

yeah i gathered that. it would be a lot easier to help if they posted up up their build...

[undone timber]

same deal with borderlands

[barren tiger]

maybe they don't know how to? 🤔 🤷

[vivid tangle]

Yall ain’t ready for this 💀

[barren tiger]

i'm waiting to see takumi's disaster of a build before i get off of here

[vivid tangle]

Hehehebehe

[kind veldt]

I think having some buff on melee is good enough, like 75% bonus armor on melee hit and double if you kill the meleed target, and the confuse on elites.

So get in, get a bunch of bonus armor and use that to get out

[vivid tangle]

I’m finding it

[tiny oar]

yeah that would be cool tbh, doesnt sound broken and would be great on a tank build to stay in the fight

see, you dont need to make it broken and i agree with a buff idea lol

[full zinc]

oh. they can open snipping tool, screenshot the inventory top screen, and paste directly into discord chat box in #td2-build-advice or #ask-td2-community . both have image permissions
@ancient lance

[tiny oar]

they dont care, they didnt ask how to or said they cant, they said "its not a gear issue its a dev issue" and thats it

[undone timber]

div1 exotic sets getting rediscovered

[tiny oar]

nah, we used to have that in div 2 but it got scrapped, but i mean maybe 1 weapon could have it

[vivid tangle]

It’s not letting send the picture

[undone timber]

I believe gear 1.0 exotics had holstered talents as well massive L they're gone

[tiny oar]

well, balance was nightmare

[barren tiger]

you'll either need to post it in the build advice or link to it

[tiny oar]

not on this chan, but other chans do

[vivid tangle]

Okay go to build advice

[ancient lance]

I am. I'll return when I get my Xbox Series X

[tiny oar]

nah, its ok

dont come back

we laughed enough

[undone timber]

fairs

[vivid tangle]

Go check out my build

Triple

[undone timber]

shame we don't get exotics with unique base models these days

[tiny oar]

didnt we got ouroborous ?

and overlord

[barren tiger]

getting an xbox isn't going to help you if you're not actually looking for help. If you want actual help you need to share your build because no one is going to argee with you on keener's fight on story mode being hard/ screwed up enough to blame the devs.

[undone timber]

ouro is based off vector and overlord off the ksg

[tiny oar]

oh damn

[barren tiger]

hell enven a cellphone screen shot of oyur build would be helpful

[vivid tangle]

Get it soon I wanna see you you in the dz remember the name kagayaku koi

[unique bramble]

I hate the fact that chameleon also is a vector but it's programmed as a exotic assault rifle in game.

[vivid tangle]

Yes I agree with that

[barren tiger]

i did not know that

[undone timber]

it should've been an SMG

orrr they should've actually given it AR handling and range

[barren tiger]

behold my old jank from last year at some point or so https://preview.redd.it/what-do-you-think-of-my-newbie-janky-build-v0-0p5gu5pshgya1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=7b94d37be327aeefdbd8786fed6e740a71ce9e80

[unique bramble]

just look the weapon, is just a vector with a stock, a long suppressor and a extended mag

[undone timber]

like it's chambered in .308 or something

[vivid tangle]

Okay

[barren tiger]

i meant the programed in as an AR, i never really paid attention

[unique bramble]

ah, ok

[barren tiger]

i do like how it looks however..it and chatterbox lol

[undone timber]

if only exotics performed as good as they looked

[unique bramble]

it changes colors, i'm happy with that design

[undone timber]

cham visually is so cool

[barren tiger]

lol @ pic "To use the cover one must become the cover" https://i.redd.it/py2lk7mthnn51.png

[kind veldt]

I actually like its the opposite, think they should do an exotic that is the opposite, SMG with AR handling and drasticly better range

[tiny oar]

why not just make an ar tho

[undone timber]

I'm surprised the honey badger doesnt fall under it

[frosty wadi]

Yeah that’s counterintuitive

If cham got a range buff it would probably see more use

[undone timber]

more range, less stacks needed, profit

[kind veldt]

Novelty, like reverse chameleon

You have stuff like AR57 which is that

[undone timber]

I'm sad that when I see it I immediately register it as fss hurricane lmao

[frosty wadi]

Goofy ahh cod name

[molten spire]

Safety Distance with one kill is that

but yeah in group environments the problem is killing regularly enough to keep the talent up

(oh boy this sounds fun without context)

[kind veldt]

Yeah i love safety distance

[wise basalt]

for manhunt, do I need to do regular bank or invaded bank or it doesn't matter?

[tiny oar]

unless specified, it doesnt matter

if it specifically says regular then do regular

[kind veldt]

oh cowboy outfit

is the project any annoying like those random spawns one?

also funny they are using the old doctor home model

okay it's just do stuff in group

thats chill

[iron gust]

We don't know, today's project was literally do 2 missions in a group. Might be something different tomorrow and after that

[rough sleet]

IN A GROUP? SOCIALIZE!? oh heck....

[small spear]

lv40 players speed leveling lower level players to lv40 doing 5d lincoln: it's free real estate

[red grotto]

New player here looking for tips to lvl faster to get to lvl 40.

[real creek]

#td2-general-chat message

[tiny oar]

wait its 1 mission per day only ?

so if i dont play today i miss the skin ?

[real creek]

It unlocks daily, you can do it whenever.

[tiny oar]

yeah but for a different skin or the same ?

[real creek]

So you could get on the day before it ends and do them all.

Think of it like this is a progressivly unlocked project that goes away after the 20th.

Not sure what day it'll all be unlocked tho.

[tiny oar]

so the daily project will just reset but the reward will stay ?

[real creek]

It's a progressive project, it unlocks daily and you work from the top down.

[tiny oar]

from the top down ?

[real creek]

breh

it's in order and unlocks daily.

[tiny oar]

im not english native i dont know what it means x)

ok

[real creek]

So you can only do day 1 today.

[small spear]

"time gated" is the word

[real creek]

If you don't do any projects and start in 4 days you'll be doing day 1-4 and then have to wait for more to unlock.

They unlock in order and you have to do them in order.

[kind veldt]

Its abig brown hat, i think the other ones we had white more white/tan

[iron gust]

Items are probably aligned with the new bundle in a different color but we'll see

[unique bramble]

Just like the crossroads event, either you invest time for one color or money in another color, or both if you are a fan

[oblique timber]

do you guys have a favorite speedrunner?

[tiny oar]

for division 2 ? not really

[crude plume]

Where can i turn automatic mod dismantling on? The new patch must have turned it off or the feature is broken

[real creek]

Open the mods category and you should see it at the bottom

[crude plume]

Thx but lmao the patch really turned it off

[real creek]

Probably @rich sand he is the best back shotter evar.

[tiny oar]

never used this feature tbh

[small spear]

i need a back foamer to make me tilted

[real creek]

omg one shot moss with healing chem/foam from HH stacks...

[small spear]

their sole job is to shoot foam at my back whenever i'm aiming so i can see nothing

[real creek]

Goopy boi

[coarse ibex]

hm, during the Leto hunt, did anyone hear a voice repeatedly saying "Access denied, Access card aquired" and at a certain point Access granted? The position for that voice is at the cross G Street NW and 19 Str. NW. There is nothing there, I really wonder what that is about

[hybrid ore]

If it's not meant to be there, it could be like how the sound effect for the container door falling down that's been playing consistently for 1-2 seasons now.

[spare cove]

Yeah, sometimes when you try to access a locked door in the bank's vault without a keycard from that mission, those voice lines play like that

Like an inside voice haunting you

[hybrid ore]

btw that container door? It doesn't just play in that area, it's randomly anywhere. Has happened in Bounty areas, the LZ, other missions, even Manning Zoo.

[coarse ibex]

hm, now I heard it again during the final Bounty mission

maybe has something to do with that.

[tiny oar]

never heard thoses lines lol

[coarse ibex]

me neither. The strangest thing is, that they come in the middle of nowhere. There are no doors or any accesable buildings around, and no sewer either

[kind veldt]

Huh

E are getting a new named rifle

[tiny oar]

yeah it seems

[kind veldt]

Well its a semi joke weapon like the christmas guns

[tiny oar]

another gun to farm proficiency

[kind veldt]

Guess thats one way to reuse old exotics

Now that it is an watergun while it does look silly, it does make sense

[coarse ibex]

https://quickshare.samsungcloud.com/9AIMRD73ELcS

Dunno if this works, a vid of the voice I talked about

[rich sand]

HUHHH

[rough sleet]

hmmm

[real creek]

Love you too bb

[rich sand]

❤️

[real creek]

When OT hell over for incursion runs? Gotta get you the brrrrr gun.

[rough sleet]

Prob another week or so...trying to cram 8 weeks of part releases into like 2. XD OT HELL AHOY! Then back to normal Div grinding. \o/

[iron gust]

https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/game/the-division/the-division-2/news-updates/2etknEYhMcUYwnixz2jdzl

As expected the pieces to farm are variations of the bundle in the store

That weapon talent 🤣

[glacial glacier]

anyone know what the new cowboy hat from the project looks like?

[kind veldt]

same as the one in the link posted above your comment, it's the dark one in the back of the first image

[tardy tangle]

I wonder what the redacted thing in the comms is

It could be they're talking about the main location of Heartland and then had to redact it following its cancellation but looking at the note left by Keener idk

And it was pretty funny listening to Manny go ape-mode in that one comm

[lunar hare]

Did the devs just fk up with the Loot Goblin?

[tiny oar]

wym

[lunar hare]

My friend here just got 4 Christmas Exclusives from Goblin

[tiny oar]

well

i wish i had his chance

cause i need them

[lunar hare]

Just for the record

[iron gust]

It's intended read the link above

[lunar hare]

haven't read patch notes, mb

[tiny oar]

you shall be whipped on public place for that

[scarlet plume]

mods, execute this guy immediately

[lunar hare]

I just updated the game Chill Out 😭

[tiny oar]

is that a pun about the gila mask ?

double execution needed now

[hybrid ore]

Like, on top of a building or did you mean "in"?

[tiny oar]

i meant in but on top of a building works too

english bad language

[hybrid ore]

The proliferation of "on" and "in" being wrongly interchanged online these days is getting kinda rough.

[tiny oar]

yeah

i blame school

fk school

[broken solstice]

What do you say? Waiting in line or waiting on line

[hybrid ore]

Well I don't say anything, but unless you are standing on top of someone else, it's "in".

[broken solstice]

I say Waiting or line

[lunar hare]

waiting inline

[broken solstice]

that is correct

[crude tartan]

named armor seems to be more usefull then named guns?

[lunar hare]

50/50 Some are trash some are useful

[proud locust]

Manny is getting the nastiest PTSD he’s ever gotten

Or an complete existential crisis my god I never hear him scream so loud

[tiny oar]

i mean in the world we live, who didnt got ptsd at that point ?

[proud locust]

Other than Manny screaming

When he realized that Keener is with us and not against us

[inner elbow]

Now imagine Manny screaming in a certain situation with Maria

wink

[proud locust]

I’m a be real, but Natalia definitely messed with his head completely

[tiny oar]

i mean, when do we ever see manny not screaming

[proud locust]

I did and it’s just hilarious to hear, but my God he flipped out

[inner elbow]

Natalya also messed with our heads. I haven't seen any news of her in recent seasons, other than through audio logs

She could be dead for all we know

[tiny oar]

nah, black tusk is her thing

we are just more focused on keener rn

[proud locust]

Ever since we put down the recruiter, Natalia Anderson, and all of her little cronies, including McManus have all gone dark like straight up silence not a word

[inner elbow]

And we were just listening to pre-recorded messages

[tiny oar]

keener is focusing on deleting hunters from the surface of the earth

so nat must be focused on that

[proud locust]

Almost like the wolf howl is last howl and then everything went silent

[proud locust]

Oh really I thought she was supposed to be quiet after we put down some of the biggest wolf in McManus’s army

[tiny oar]

yeah we fight hunters but we arent the only ones

keener too is fighting them

[inner elbow]

We didn't even make a dent on Natalya's cause

[tiny oar]

we did tho

if not for the division, nat would control the entire us

maybe more

[proud locust]

But I feel like Keener just manipulated both of us to draw attention or divert to us to deal with

[tiny oar]

nah, its a 3 way duel

nat wants us and keener dead

[proud locust]

He’s using the third tier network outside of the diamond and the Isaac protocol

[tiny oar]

not entirely

he plan to go nation wide but he cant yet

and it would ruin nat plan as rogues arent on nat side

only hunters are

[proud locust]

So the purpose of these trials is to dilute allocate and avoid tracing pattern so that whatever McManus’s army pops up they don’t know what we’re up to

[tiny oar]

also see if we're up to the task at hand i guess

[proud locust]

Then were just doing every day missions , but being done unnoticed with ANNA coding systems coordinate with the other trial subnets

Feels like keener and Parnell spend an eternity to construct such an insane amount of trial ism network to avoid any suspicious from the hunter programs

[pastel zealot]

is it jsut me or Discord is not gettign new Division tweets?

[lunar hare]

yeah, no idea what's happening

[pastel zealot]

i almost missed info about the summer event lol

[nocturne frigate]

so ubi finally got around to adding achievements to div 2 LMAO

[pastel zealot]

what achievements? on steam?

[tiny oar]

y

[jolly phoenix]

Well

Was not a Game issue my crashes

Was a last win11 update

Great

[crude tartan]

you know what feels off in div2
working osprey's in a apocalyptic us

[jolly phoenix]

I want div3 in Spain

😔

[tiny oar]

why would they be in spain ?

[main solstice]

Resident evil 4 all over again ?

[hybrid ore]

shoot the bell to make Keener run off before you have to fight him.

[jolly phoenix]

why not

if japanese make sevillanas, everything is possible

[tiny oar]

cause shd means us only ?

unless they decide to invade europe

[jolly phoenix]

good idea

[tiny oar]

no thanks

i like my country with healhcare and no school shooting

[jolly phoenix]

ok fine, invade China

😔

[hybrid ore]

The no members left of the US armed forces can all go invade a probably empty border.

[tiny oar]

i mean, we basically dont know how the rest of the world is going

[hybrid ore]

We actually do.

[tiny oar]

really ?

[crude tartan]

tbh they could still brought survival back, but like instead of it being during a blizard they could done it during a typhoon/huricane or so?

[tiny oar]

whats the word

[crude tartan]

i kinda liked the survival in div 1

[jolly phoenix]

well mexico we know

im pretty sure heard something about president talk with mex president

[hybrid ore]

This is more of a discussion for #division-universe, someone there will be more than happy to wax lyrical about it.

[kind veldt]

saw a bird, clicked that bird

[dense saffron]

I can't remember what it is off the top of my head but I think I vaguely remember that

[jolly phoenix]

well my crashes gone

carry on

[tiny oar]

look at that

devs were not the reason

[jolly phoenix]

well

devs are the reason

but devs from windows 11 xd

[tiny oar]

no im pretty sure its the execs at microsoft

microsoft devs are pretty good

but execs are the reason everything is bad

[jolly phoenix]

xd well, in this day, new thing => user will beta test everything

[tiny oar]

ye

[nocturne frigate]

how do you access the leto logs

[still juniper]

evening fellas

are we still getting updates and exotics and shit, or is it going the way of titanfall

[rough sleet]

still getting updates

[still juniper]

oh sick

whats hte most recent set of exotics weve gotten, if you know

[kind veldt]

acosta knee pads for armor, overlord for shotgun

[still juniper]

wasnt the acosta already an exotic

Acosta's Go Bag, for skill builds?

[kind veldt]

knee pad is weird movement speed and hazard res, overlord shotgun is to slow down people in PVP

[still juniper]

so nothing good?

[kind veldt]

thinks of it the same way we have ninjabike knee pad and backpack

[still juniper]

have we got anything a little more unique since busy little bee, which is when i last played

[kind veldt]

same brand name different exotics

ouroboros SMGmost busted gun in the game

[still juniper]

i was around for oro, not a fan tbh

[kind veldt]

was ouro before BLB?

[still juniper]

ja

[jolly phoenix]

deactivate = kill
in td2?

[still juniper]

oro was before blb, or literally just after it

but learning about blb is the last thing i recall

[small spear]

need context

[still juniper]

have we got new exotics or gearsets that allow for interesting new styles of play

[kind veldt]

we had the mosquito exotic pistol which is buggy and one of the worst ones and some gauntletss that just buff hipfire accuracy

[still juniper]

why re all the new exotics just sheisse

what about gearsets then, last i recall is exuro, anything new and cool on that front?

[kind veldt]

nope, aegis is extremely similar to cavalier of trying to be a tank that get more damage resistance the more enemies are targetting you, but if you play tank enemies just focus on whoever has more DPS, which was the point of mosquito pistol that forces enemies to target you but is buggy and just a bad gun

this sewason we have a rifle & MMR gear set that is just a 5x worse striker

shooting enemies gives you stack of damage and weapon handling, when you reload you activate the bonus based on how many stacks you have

[still juniper]

man they oughtta listen to the community to get new exotic and set ideas

[kind veldt]

damage numbers are kinda small since it's just weapon damage so it's not amplified damage, have somewhat short duration, no one on the right minds use it with MMR since the ones that use magazine are just trash outside of SVD and it's exotic equivalent

[full zinc]

tbf, a lot of the community been wanting a rifle set

[kind veldt]

true

[full zinc]

woulda been a lot easier to just add rifles to the a&8s set tho

[still juniper]

yeah but a rifle set thats a worse alternative to a set thats already good for rifles is just lazy

[kind veldt]

but it just feels like dogpiss striker on purpose honestly, like they know they cant cross that line so they made the set be crap

[still juniper]

ive had a few ideas that riven found interesting

like a dual wield exotic, fancy and refreshing while not being completely game changing

[kind veldt]

nailgun

that's it, just make a nailgun exotic and that should be interesting enough

[still juniper]

no liek a pair of AR or AK pistols that you wield

[kind veldt]

talking about new exotics in general

[still juniper]

benefits from LMG perks, cant be used with shields, high mag cap but high recoil from one handing rifle caliber pistols

i think its an interesting idea personally

[still juniper]

a nailgun exotic could be interesting, got any more specific ideas on what it could be?

[full zinc]

realistically theyre not really gonna be able to add anything to the game that isnt done better with something already existing at this point. dual wield would be funny, but at the same time itll add new mechanics... new mechanics that would probably be buggy af

[nocturne frigate]

uh how do you access the leto logs

#division-universe message
and get this

[kind veldt]

at least the rikers have nailguns so there's that

[full zinc]

i would like to see some reworks of existing gear and make them more competitive

[nocturne frigate]

they need to arm them with double barrel shotguns too

[still juniper]

the only new things would be slightly different animations, and some kinda perk

[tiny oar]

yeah its still funny to me in the world there is all thoses weapons to get and they choose this xd

[still juniper]

this would be an oro style weapon though, where the perk is just because its an exotic, and the main attraction is its functionality/efficacy as what it is, like an improved LMG

[kind veldt]

well it's video game land, where things that are worse than ugns are better than guns, like the crossbow

[still juniper]

or just for the feeling/aesthetic of it, just being a competitive LMG that looks cool

[full zinc]

yeah, im sure it would work flawless... considering the recent history of updates and minor changes

[still juniper]

how hard would a single new reload animation, some vaulting, and a holster be

[kind veldt]

you need animations for cover, shield, reloading, sprinting and pretty much all actions

[still juniper]

its an LMG

no shield, sprinting would just be the pistol animations, reload should be simple, and most actions like climbing or typing have you holster your weapons anyway

[tiny oar]

yeah lets not add stuff that break the game more than right now please

[kind veldt]

i just remember a game that they added an NPC with akimbo and they forgot to give him climb animations with the akimbo, just resulted in the guns floating where he would finish climbing before he started the jumping

[still juniper]

and the vault animation is so fast they could make you just roll over the cover

i think that would be cool

[still juniper]

yeah but half of these dont even need animations like people think, since your weapons get holsterd for high climbs, opening some doors, typing on a computer, half hte shit people are panicking about

[kind veldt]

well mostly to say funny things can happen

[full zinc]

idk why im arguing against this, dev team is nowhere near ambitious enough to add something like dual wield 😂

[still juniper]

cause its interesting

if they put a half decent amount of thought into it there wouldnt be any funky interactions, cause 90% of the thingsi n the game have your weapons put up anyway

[tiny oar]

they cant

they dont have the manpower

[full zinc]

it would be interesting to see some new skills and/or status types added. something that has potential to change the way you aproach different activities

[still juniper]

im certain they COULD add it given time

[tiny oar]

yeah, give them 10 years

or say good buy to content for 3 years

[still juniper]

i think new exotic weapons could be interesting as hell, especially with unique mechanics like d2 does it

[still juniper]

brother its a weapon with a unique skin that functions like any other lmg with slightly different animations, give one guy a week and he could do it

[tiny oar]

i think you have no idea how any of this works

if they could they would

[still juniper]

give it some lackluster exotic perk that doesnt actually matter or need any special work and make it just a really competitive lmg and itll be cool

[kind veldt]

well anyhow concept for the nailgun i had was two things, both would use a pressure gauge one would be about charging shots at the max pressure for extra damage and if shot with good timing add something like extra bleed and pierce. The other about being full auto with very slow ROF that would increase as your pressure increased, talent would be about if you clear whatever condition i was to lazy to think of you would be in a overpressured mode with high rof and the instantly cooldown to 0.
both of those would have the gun backfire and deal damage to you if you screwed up and went overpressure

[scarlet plume]

pretty sure the devs put more work into tweets than the game so

[tiny oar]

pretty sure you dont know anything aobut game dev

[kind veldt]

we had similar mechanics to the pressure gauge of the second idea with shock ammo underground directive in the first game

[still juniper]

i am in school for game dev, ive got a decent idea of how it works

[tiny oar]

yeah, you're in school, you're not a dev

[still juniper]

if they make an exotic thats just a good gun with a lackluster trait that works in the current systems of the game it should be simple to implement

[tiny oar]

its like saying i did school to become mathematician therefore i can say every mathematician is bad

[still juniper]

just something refreshing and interesting that isnt revolutionary

[tiny oar]

dont you think devs want whats best for the game ?

[still juniper]

i feel like your just trying to brush off everything i say, making a simple but interesting gun wouldnt take all that long as long as it isnt anything super fancy

[scarlet plume]

do you have a phd in copenomics? ubisoft is the laughing stock of game companies rn lol

[tiny oar]

do you think they go into work and be like "damn, how can i ruin player experience today"

[still juniper]

brother look at the exotics lately

look at the gear sets, thats truly how its looking as of late

[tiny oar]

and im telling you, if they could, they would

they know better than you

[scarlet plume]

im so sure, thats why they walked back seasonal characters right? cuz they know better?

[kind veldt]

well to be fair the gloves we got were they said it was just an experiment because they thought that the community would find an use

well no one found one so far

[tiny oar]

they didnt ?

lmao

they said they took into account player feedback, thats it

[still juniper]

ok now your just being a condescending ass

[kind veldt]

okay before this turn in the same infinite back and forth, they are saying they are looking at more options

[tiny oar]

bro you're straight up saying devs are bad and you think you are better than them

[scarlet plume]

if we're really going to mince words they havent officially walked it back, but if they want to kill the game for good they will keep it in place

[kind veldt]

welp

[tiny oar]

xd

[still juniper]

disregarding that guy, this is kinda like nemesis with a little more timing involved, you thinking an SMG or a rifle, or what?

[tiny oar]

yeah im out, i cant

people refuse to read

[kind veldt]

pistol

[still juniper]

oh interesting

is this meant to be a debuff stacker, raw damage per shot, or a dps beast on a good status build

[scarlet plume]

i can read just fine lol its just you refusing to use common sense to think that they are going to keep seasonal characters after a massive player exodus from just the announcement

[tiny oar]

sounds like someone need a bit more attention

[kind veldt]

well lyfe i think you should step back and reflect that you get the same fight at least 3x times a day

[still juniper]

ignore lyfe, hes just being a condescending ass at this point

[tiny oar]

yeah the fight of "stop trashing devs every day"

its boring

[still juniper]

i blocked him, i advise you do too, hes not contributing anything actually constructive and just brushing off ideas

[tiny oar]

imagine being toxic all day, trashing devs all day, but its ok somehow

i dont stand for toxicity

[scarlet plume]

lol

[tiny oar]

if you have an issue with the game thats fine, toxicity is where i draw the line

got into enough community where this was ok to do, and thats why it always goes bad

[still juniper]

I'm not even trashing the devs and your being mean to me

I'm saying new, interesting options could happen if they accepted community ideas and your just being an ass about it

[kind veldt]

he didnt trash the devs you did

[full zinc]

im pretty sure i said worse about the devs , tbf. i think everyone gets a bit spirited when it comes to changes suggested

me included

[tiny oar]

everybody does at some point, we are all humans

[kind veldt]

i have called them some nasty things for a lot of PTS changes, but at least i did not without dumping a massive list of issues found for feedback

[tiny oar]

but that doesnt make it ok

[still juniper]

bird, dont you think things are starting to stagnate a bit?

[tiny oar]

wut

[still juniper]

a serious lack of interesting content, new, competitive weapons to shake up the meta and make things fresh again?

[scarlet plume]

the game has been stagnate for a while and we're putting our nest egg into division 3 being a banger cuz that is all we can really hope for really

the crew maintaining the division 2 rn dont seem very interested in doing big content updates other than the brooklyn dlc unfortunately

[still juniper]

they arent doing division 3 yet, supposedly theres another WONY style dlc in the works

[kind veldt]

he asked for new weapons and suggested stuff you said it would e too hard so they were wrong to suggest anything because they are not a dev, neither are you so chill mate

[tiny oar]

i didnt say that

[still juniper]

thank you bird

[tiny oar]

i said no matter what they propose, devs cant implement it cause they dont have manpower to do so

[still juniper]

cause that is literally all im doing, just giving an idea and callign for others to give new, interesting exotic weapon or armor, or gearset ideas

[tiny oar]

especially if its fancy

like im ok being in the wrong sometimes, as i said we all humans nobody is perfect, but i didnt trash devs

[still juniper]

i think we need an exotic armor that fits the sniper niche, and makes sitting further back with a precision rifle like nemi or Ekims a little more doable

[kind veldt]

neither did he since he was suggesting things?

he even said that they could make it work given enough time, isnt that giving faith to the devs?

[tiny oar]

and as i said, thats not the issue here

[full zinc]

sawyers knees 😎

[still juniper]

The dual weapons isn't fancy

It's an lmg with like, 3 unique animations and a perk

[kind veldt]

yes it is, you are accusing someone of trashing devs when you are the ones that came out and said their ideas arent valid because they have no experience

[tiny oar]

thats not what i said

[still juniper]

That is exactly what you said

[full zinc]

run it back 👆

[tiny oar]

i didnt talk about their ideas being invalid, i said they unrealistic if we want to have content as the same time

[still juniper]

You said "you are not a dev and tou have no idea what's going on behind the scenes, if they could they would but they can't"

[tiny oar]

it doesnt matter what they want to add

if there is no one to add it

[kind veldt]

where did he say that?

[still juniper]

I am suggesting the simplest exotic in the world

It's literally a gun with a handful of animations and a perk, no unique shield interactions since it's an lmg

[tiny oar]

"pretty sure the devs put more work into tweets than the game so"

[scarlet plume]

that was me lol

[tiny oar]

is that not the same ?

[still juniper]

That wasn't me

[valid lotus]

i dont how yall do it i could not get into divison 2 after finishing the game, the story narrative was all over the place and i hope there a strong story narrative for td3.

[kind veldt]

man

[scarlet plume]

ill gladly shit on them idgaf, but its not the same person

[kind veldt]

you screwed up

[tiny oar]

how so ?

[still juniper]

This man is delusional lmao

[scarlet plume]

[kind veldt]

#td2-general-chat message

[still juniper]

Accusing me of shit inv did

[kind veldt]

you are talking to different people

and you accused one for something he didnt say

[still juniper]

I'm the courier, he's a dog, how do you mix that one up numbnuts

[tiny oar]

#td2-general-chat message

yeah, im imagining stuff apparently

[still juniper]

I'm correctly stating that things are lackluster and samey?

[kind veldt]

he didnt say this, so why did you quote the wrong person when i asked about this

[tiny oar]

lmao no

you dont get to dodge 5 times in a row

[still juniper]

I said the exotics thing,I don't even use Twitter though

[kind veldt]

you are the one dodging

[tiny oar]

i showed you the 2 of them being toxic toward devs

and yet you're attacking me

[kind veldt]

you can say exotics are crap

[scarlet plume]

showed him 1 of them (me) 😄

[tiny oar]

thats not what they said

[still juniper]

its best not to waste breath on his sort, just looking to cause trouble and stir shit up

anyway, back to that idea of yours bird, the nailgun

[tiny oar]

they can say exotics are bad, im fine with that, i agree with that even

[still juniper]

whats your vision for its general niche?

[tiny oar]

but thats not what they said

[kind veldt]

he said to "look at the exotics" to point they are bad in terms of quality

[scarlet plume]

dont say they, say me because it was me and not sleepy lol

[tiny oar]

he didnt say that out of the void, dont play the dumb card

[still juniper]

that and dont call me a they, im a guy

[scarlet plume]

say what

[tiny oar]

he said that after talking about devs being bad

[kind veldt]

you are the one pulling things out of people didnt say

[scarlet plume]

that the exotics are boring?

[ancient lance]

I uninstalled the game from my PC. I'm taking a break

[tiny oar]

"hey devs are bad" "yeah look exotics"

[scarlet plume]

okay? and?

[still juniper]

i said look at the exotics because its true, the recent exotics are shit, its just lackluster, i think things could be a lot better

[kind veldt]

then why did you quote the wrong person when i asked you?

[tiny oar]

to show that its both of them ?

[kind veldt]

you showed ONE person

[azure lintel]

is there other stuff than the smg + mask and sniper and backpack from the loot goblinos?

[kind veldt]

a sniper rifle from christmas and a backpack

[still juniper]

good lord lyfe is an expert troll

[tiny oar]

i showed you the other one too man

[kind veldt]

please get the quote again

[tiny oar]

?

[scarlet plume]

and you also want to act like they dont have the resources to do that when they literally made a new exotic with a whole new gun model (overlord). it is definitely duable for them dude. its not like there is a single person working on the game.. hopefully.

[kind veldt]

you quotted inv, not sleepy

[tiny oar]

i quoted both

i didnt quote them at the same time but i did quote them both

[kind veldt]

i honestly to god dont read this as shitting on the devs #td2-general-chat message

[still juniper]

wait is it an entire new weapon type, like nemesis?

whats the gun model for overlord, if you can DM it to me

[kind veldt]

KSG

[ancient lance]

The devs are not perfect but are not the worst. They just suck at boss gameplay design i.e Aaron Keener

[still juniper]

oh its just a ksg?

[kind veldt]

just a KSG

[still juniper]

i mean it has unique alterations to make it its own thing at least, ja?

[tiny oar]

litterally when someone is telling you devs are straight up trolling and making the game worse on purpose, you answer "i mean look at exotics" and you think thats not trashing devs ?

[ancient lance]

No matter anyone's opinions, Aaron Keener is just a dumb boss which is no excuse on story difficulty

Story difficulty should not have difficulty spikes

[tiny oar]

yes it should

[still juniper]

and, as of late, exotic design

[tiny oar]

lol

[still juniper]

the exotic weapons lately have been lackluster and samey, or buggy messes

[kind veldt]

yeah, i think he said "bro they are not trolling but the quality is bad"

[tiny oar]

except that not what he said tho

[full zinc]

thats fair. sometimes thats the best when something is frustrating

[ancient lance]

no it should not; it's called "story" for a reason

[kind veldt]

and neither was shitting on the devs, you are reading where there isnt anything honestly

[still juniper]

im not shitting on devs at all, im shitting on their recent decisions and releases, because they feel lackluster and like they hadnt had a whole lot of effort put in

[tiny oar]

i react based on what people write, if someone shit on devs and the other says "'i mean look at what they did its pretty bad", thats the same

if you didnt mean to be shitting on devs, then dont

[still juniper]

which you cant deny, the recent exotics just feel lame, buggy, or same ol same ol

[ancient lance]

All my gear is green sets. I should be able beat Keener but the game won't let me. Bad design.

[tiny oar]

thats a bad build

[scarlet plume]

so because you perceived it as him shitting on the devs, then he must've? LOOOL

[ancient lance]

How is targeted gear a bad build? it's not

[kind veldt]

#td2-general-chat message

[tiny oar]

6 pieces green is bad

[still juniper]

I wrote that the recent decisions and releases the devs made look lazy and hastily made, how is that an attack on the devs themselves?

[tiny oar]

again, they respond to something, they didnt say that in the void

[kind veldt]

are they 6 pieces of the same set or are you mixing two?

[ancient lance]

In what world is increased marksmen damage bad?

[still juniper]

mmr's kinda suck against keener, its a no skills AOE rush imo

[ancient lance]

3 of one brand. 3 of another brand.

[tiny oar]

holy

[kind veldt]

that's not a good idea mate

[tiny oar]

yeah, thats super bad

[ancient lance]

Yes it is a good idea

[kind veldt]

gear sets you want to 4

[tiny oar]

no its not a good idea

[ancient lance]

The design is just the dev's fault

[tiny oar]

bro

[still juniper]

go 4 of one gearset, like A&A, and 2 pieces of golden gear or an exotic that buffs your style of play

[tiny oar]

you just dont know how to build, its fine

[kind veldt]

gear sets have one less roll to compensate the 4 piece talent

[tiny oar]

you make mistakes, your learn

[full zinc]

there is a different type of synergy then the first game when it comes to builds. i know you uninstalled and whatnot but if you look into the pins of #td2-build-advice you can get an idea of how builds are in the second game

[kind veldt]

that way you are both missing the rolls and the 4 piece strong talent

you can go 4/2 for some sets

3/3 is not a good idea

[tiny oar]

yeah you'd be better off only high end

[azure lintel]

Were you guys able to get two of the Summer Projects today? I thought it was only 1 per day, but I got the project again for boots after hat

[ancient lance]

yellows are bad tho especially in the Dark Zone

[kind veldt]

yellows can be better than gear sets

[still juniper]

3/3 gives you only the lackluster perks of a gearset, ot the big whammy perk that's the big allure

[tiny oar]

iirc the project stays for the entire event

[ancient lance]

okay how can yellows be better?

[tiny oar]

they are super good actually

[tiny oar]

more stats

[ancient lance]

like I said bad design when a weaker color looks better than the green color

[tiny oar]

gear set have less stats than high ends

[still juniper]

Providing larger overall buffs than a gearset would

[ancient lance]

When I wear a green, I EXPECT to be strong

[full zinc]

actually no. you just gotta know what you are adding to the build. talents / unique damage modifiers can make or break a build

[kind veldt]

they get 1 core stat and 2 rolls + brand bonus
gear sets get 1 core stat and 1 roll and only get extra if you run multiple pieces

[still juniper]

Green js a side grade to yellow

[ancient lance]

bad dev design

[tiny oar]

why ? what in the game says that ?

[still juniper]

Offering less overall buffs, but stronger, more targeted buffs

[kind veldt]

they are if you are doing it right

[tiny oar]

also 4 green is better than 3/3 green

like by a mile

[full zinc]

this is why you were catching flack before. a lot of us would help you understand the build theory, but you would need to give some ground and accept you dont understand the builds yet

[kind veldt]

same as exotics, if you use saweyrs kneepads and only run out of cover you will never get the talent that gives bonus damage for standing still

[tiny oar]

we told u you didnt know how to build but you wouldnt listen and blamed devs

[kind veldt]

that means you are using a good piece the wrong way so it will be weak

[still juniper]

think of it like this eights, green is a sidegrade to gold, just as good if you know what your doing

[tiny oar]

yeah, you have to use it right too

[ancient lance]

Blizzard understands loot better than Ubisoft. Which makes sense because Division 2 is not an rpg

[still juniper]

you need greens for targeted, game changing buffs, like exuro ortiz, you need yellow for overall large buffs that are a little more general

[scarlet plume]

so we're trolling now

[ancient lance]

Not trolling. Division 2 is not an rpg

[tiny oar]

how does loot have anything to do with that ?

[kind veldt]

prove it

[still juniper]

like PGC, or grenadier, or Fox's Prayer

[ancient lance]

just because something has numbers on it doesn't mean it's a role play

[tiny oar]

ok and ?

[kind veldt]

just because osmething is green doesnt mean it's better then?

[tiny oar]

how does that make the loot bad ?

also why would green be better ?

[still juniper]

eight are you listening to what im saying or are you writing me off like lyfe is

[kind veldt]

some games above gold they mean some weird green/teal as heritage gear or special type, in this game is gear set

[ancient lance]

Borderlands is basically Diablo but in the first person perspective when Destiny & The Division are looter shooters and not rpgs. Because in Borderlands you actually role play.

[tiny oar]

notice how you went to "devs are bad at making keener boss" to "devs are bad at making gear" to "devs are bad to make loot entirely"

[still juniper]

you are playign a role in the division thogh

[ancient lance]

no you don't

[still juniper]

The Agent, savior of america piece by piece through taking down the many gangs taking over the city

[kind veldt]

borderlands is not an RPG, because just because there are numbers doesnt mean it's role play

[ancient lance]

you just go pew pew bang bang

[kind veldt]

yeah that's borderlands

[tiny oar]

oh snap

[sly kernel]

u clearly dont understand the definition of a RPG game, do u?

[undone timber]

Borderlands isn't an RPG

[still juniper]

thats borderlands too

[ancient lance]

there's a a lot of shooting but you still role play

[ancient lance]

yes it is. It's FPP Diablo

[tiny oar]

not really ?

[still juniper]

ive played borderlands, all of them including presequel, that is borderlands, and destiny 2, and the division 2, thats just any FPS RPG

guns are a key element

[ancient lance]

Borderlands is very different from Destiny and The Division. It's not a looter shooter, it's FPP Diablo

[still juniper]

ok your just trolling

[tiny oar]

not a looter shooter

[kind veldt]

how are you role playing?

[tiny oar]

in a game where you loot and shoot

[ancient lance]

The first looter shooter is technically Warframe

[sly kernel]

my brother

[tiny oar]

good call

[still juniper]

enough wasting time on people like him and lyfe, lets discuss useful things like new possibilities

[sly kernel]

@ancient lance do u play borderlands?

[scarlet plume]

bruh

[still juniper]

bird, whats your opinion on a slug shotgun exotic

[tiny oar]

lol, lmao even

[ancient lance]

You have classes and skills alter it unlike in looter shooters where you just get perks

[scarlet plume]

im not even mad im genuinely confused. do you not know what these acronyms like RPG mean, and if you do, are you sure you really do?

[sly kernel]

TripleEight, dont dodge the question, did u play borderlands lmao

[tiny oar]

division 2 have classes

[ancient lance]

Yes I played Borderlands

[kind veldt]

specializations bruh

[tiny oar]

like litterally xd

[ancient lance]

specilizations are not role classes

[tiny oar]

yes they are

[scarlet plume]

the builds you make are the role classes

[kind veldt]

bad idea, it would just be the same as 1886

[sly kernel]

so, tell me.
do u get a random chance of getting a nice legendary gun or a lesser known common gun from enemies u kill, right?

[tiny oar]

the sniper spec says you're a sniper class

[still juniper]

oh thats fair

[undone timber]

We had medved and it was trash

[still juniper]

what about an exotic thats meant to be used with a shield, good for tanking

[ancient lance]

Yes the same thing happens in Diablo , Torchlight, & Last Epoch

[still juniper]

medved isnt a slugger is it?

[undone timber]

We have liberty

[undone timber]

It's whole talent is it shoots slugs

[still juniper]

the hell? when was this

[kind veldt]

it was in div1

when they reworked all div1 exotics

[still juniper]

oh i didnt play div1

[tiny oar]

medved was fun

tho not great gun with striker

[undone timber]

Showstopper go doof doof

[dense saffron]

Would probably work with lone-star

[still juniper]

i think a sniper thats just a bow could be interesting, or just more of our enemies weapons that we can use

[scarlet plume]

showstopper my beloved

[tiny oar]

yeah but i dispise lone star xd

[dense saffron]

How come?

[tiny oar]

im a striker and nomad 10k stamina enjoyer

[undone timber]

6 pc lone star with big al is peak gameplay

[dense saffron]

I use striker, have been using tactician rn

[sly kernel]

I wouldn't exactly say their like those types of games. But U did say yes. So, how come you say it isnt a Looter Shooter when you are typically shooting enemies for endless amount of loot to basically level up ur character?

[kind veldt]

i could go down a list of long ass weird exotics that went from, .50 beowulf, crossbows, nailguns, hunting revolvers, protype ARs, revolver hsotigns and so on

[scarlet plume]

well because

[still juniper]

i just think we need more options that our enemies have

[sly kernel]

diablo is the same shit

[still juniper]

the enemies have their own skills now, they can use pseudo exotic weapons, so give us some of their shit

[sly kernel]

idk torchlight. and The Division is the same thing LMAO

[kind veldt]

torchlight is diablo

i think it was from former diablo devs even

[undone timber]

Same energy as call of duty is the same as battlefield

[tiny oar]

i just want the house again man 😭

give me my baby back

[sly kernel]

vice versa i agree

[undone timber]

We got the apartment instead unfortunately

Inflation makes for tough times

[kind veldt]

inflation, now all you can afford is an apartment

dang i was late for the joke

[scarlet plume]

honestly i hope they bring back more d1 skills like smart cover

[tiny oar]

i know im crying right now

[still juniper]

what was smart cover