td2-general-chat

[frozen meadow]

weird brandset tho

based as hell gearset

[rich shadow]

I have a grenade TotS build so this should work well with the rework, sadly the sniper varient is dead but we got Hotshot fo

[frozen meadow]

the gearset tho

literally just "SET EVERYTHING ON FUCKING FIRE AND EXPLODE"

that chest piece wtf are they doing this season

[rich shadow]

shite

[frozen meadow]

chaotic explosion spam season

[rich shadow]

fire turret is crap

[frozen meadow]

i like the ouroboros

[rich shadow]

wonder if Hoarder exotic chest works with grenade spec launcher???

[opal radish]

why is tots getting nerfed

[rich shadow]

its not

its just gonna be a spam spec weapon build now

[opal radish]

they took total weapon dmg

[frozen meadow]

why is elmos not getting nerfed is my question

[halcyon radish]

Pyromaniac+lefty+striker set+new exotic chest seems a viable choice

[rich shadow]

Scorpio nerf

[opal radish]

Remove nerf against named enemies than when tots is equipped

[lone valve]

Oh my 90% of gear in the patch notes I'm excited for

[frozen meadow]

its explosion spam

[lone valve]

Incursion locked exotic

Kinda don't mind it

[tender notch]

because in pve its not meta breaking, so no reason to nerf it, weaker then famas still

[rich shadow]

im not fussed since that SMG is rubbish for PVE

[frozen meadow]

by how much

because doesnt it beat a non damage talent famas

[hybrid ore]

I can finally remake my div1 firecrest build.
the circle is complete.

[frozen meadow]

and i wouldnt say the weapon handling is low enough to constitute that

[tender notch]

famas is only 1% less dps then elmo without any talent on famas. so about famas is about 8% more dps then elmo with strained and all ARs are more dps then elmo if using Focus

[opal radish]

the new gearset feels like fire crest

[keen osprey]

A condensed look/tl;dr at the new season gear and changes are as follows:

• Descent rewards buffed, New talents added in all 3 slots (red, yellow, blue, aswell as 2 new exotic talents)

• New Brand Set: Lengmo (LMGs and Explosive Resistance focused)

• Named Chest "Carpenter" is the perfect version of Mad Bomber

• Named Chest "Backbone" - Perfect Unstoppable Force with the new addition that grenade kills adds 2 stacks.

• New Brand Set - Lengmo with a focus on burn duration and damage.

• New Turret Skill Variant which applies burn, accessible with 4 pieces of the new gear set equipped.

• Exotic Chest Piece "Hoarder" with a focus on increased grenade capacity, radius, damage.

• Exotic LMG, fire bullets for half the magazine.

• Exotic SMG (Incursion exclusive) - Half the magazine shoots status effect bullets based on the status applied to you.

• New weapon Talent "Stabilize" which gives weapon accuracy and stability up to 60%

• Two Named weapons (Tommy Gun and G36) with the Stabilize talent.

• Tip of the spear rework. Previously getting a kill with a spec weapon granted 20% wp damage, this has changed to getting a kill grants +15% sig weapon damage and 25% reload speed.

Chest talent gives 50% weapon damage for 15 seconds when you use all spec ammo available.

• Exotic caches can be purchased at DZ vendors

• Stinger hives range has been reduced in PVP.

[frozen meadow]

please delete chat wall

[keen osprey]

Please stop being ignorant.

[frozen meadow]

rude

[frozen meadow]

are we talkong burst or sustained

[keen osprey]

So me being helpful for people who have no time to read the patch is rude... right lol

[opal radish]

burst i think cause of strained

[frozen meadow]

what about sustained

[hybrid ore]

If they have no time to read the patch, they also have no time to read the 1300 characters you posted.
now stop fighting you two.

[opal radish]

fast hands will beat elmos

[frozen meadow]

by how much

[opal radish]

ask @tender notch not me he mentioned once now i forgot

[frozen meadow]

because i think elmo needs a decrease in handling

[pliant sentinel]

looks like a cleaners/outcast incursion

[keen osprey]

Don't exaggerate🥲🤣

[frozen meadow]

it was always gonna be cleaners

[tender notch]

fast hands famas has 1% less dps but more sustain dps then elmo.

[keen osprey]

Yeah I think we seen a glimpse of the outside somewhere before

[frozen meadow]

i still think elmo needs a handling nerf

[tender notch]

also fast hands >>>> elmo talent at least for pve

[keen osprey]

Soon as we hear cleaner's it's basically dragons nest v2 haha

[harsh shell]

DZ exotic cache pog

[hybrid ore]

I used a word counter, it's accurate.

[frozen meadow]

its prolly gonna cost like 100 resources tho

[tender notch]

talking burst there

[opal radish]

😂

[frozen meadow]

so even in terms of handling youd still say famas is overall better?

[tender notch]

no elmo wins there but famas much more dps

[opal radish]

range and handling use burnout

[frozen meadow]

i meant in terms of overall everything

[frozen meadow]

which is worse damage than elmos

[tender notch]

then famas wins overall

[opal radish]

Focus exists lol

[rich shadow]

dont like burnoout

[frozen meadow]

focus doesnt increase handling?

[keen osprey]

Would that not equal 100 items deconstructed and extracted though. Time per cache would seem more of an incentive for countdown but nice for anyone that grinds dz.

[tender notch]

also iirc even AK 47 beats elmo in terms of burst dps if using focus

[opal radish]

60% twd vs 30% for elmos with pgc

[rich shadow]

Elmo's ftw

[frozen meadow]

you also need to be blind and aiming down sight for like 5 seconds at a time

[tender notch]

Elmos is a great gun and close to meta but doesnt beat famas or M4 with flatline

[fiery cloud]

Hey Eevee Rivens, Azurmen32, Gogamer, Nug

[opal radish]

hi saph what do you think of my pfp?

[tender notch]

heya

[rich shadow]

SAPH

[frozen meadow]

so in terms of a famas with strained, it beats a elmo by 8%?

[opal radish]

perfect unstoppable force is gonna be quite good

[frozen meadow]

is that a lot or

[opal radish]

35% dmg for 7s nice highest chest dps talent

[fiery cloud]

What pfp?

[frozen meadow]

wait azur

[tender notch]

correct

[frozen meadow]

how much higher is the sustain between famas with FH and elmo

[opal radish]

my profilephoto 👀

[hybrid ore]

The flower.

[frozen meadow]

the flower

[fiery cloud]

Kool

[opal radish]

loading symbol not flower

[hybrid ore]

Is it loading a flower?

[small spear]

the flower

[opal radish]

maybe

[fiery cloud]

Yup its loading a flower

[small spear]

in my world 5% is a lot already

[opal radish]

🥲

[frozen meadow]

is it enough to make or break a life or death situation

[opal radish]

5% of a million is a lot of money

[hybrid ore]

hey Saph
yeah super excited for the new fire turret. I will miss accidentally burning myself but the excess fire will make up for it.

[small spear]

it's not life or death, but it's either killing a legendary healer or letting him run off and heal

[frozen meadow]

its 50k

[frozen meadow]

thats LoD to me lol

[frozen meadow]

in terms of damage in this game thats nothin

[opal radish]

isn't $ 50k a lot ?

[pliant sentinel]

don't u get immunity to ur own fire turret

[hybrid ore]

Yep, that's why I'll miss it.

[frozen meadow]

in terms of a million no

[small spear]

for alpha damage like HH it's nothing, but for consistent dps it isn't 1 million but rather around 30m

[frozen meadow]

1m per shot yes

[opal radish]

you don't even get immunity

[fiery cloud]

Gammer here's mine

[hybrid ore]

In terms of damage, 50k is basically a single shot of an Aug with no red cores.

[small spear]

you do with the set tho

[azure grail]

The new talent seem like a poor version of Steady handed “Hits grant a stack of +1% Accuracy and Stability.
At 100 stacks, consumes them to refill the magazine.”

**Stabilize – Weapon Talent

+1% Weapon Accuracy and +1% Weapon Stability per bullet shot, up to +60%.
Stopping shooting will start a timer of 2 seconds, after which the bonuses reset**

[frozen meadow]

id say its not a bad talent

[pliant sentinel]

my bad, im running on 2 hours of sleep

[keen osprey]

Would have been nice if it worked like the capacitor where stacks decay instead of reset.

[frozen meadow]

wait the new gearset is gonna be a weird use in countdown

[azure grail]

Yeah that would help it probably

[small spear]

it would have been greater in descent tbh, that + bullet hell would overcome steady handed's weakness of it clearing after reaching max stacks

[frozen meadow]

cuz of the damage increase

[azure grail]

If the backfire had that instead of 10 seconds I would prefer it more

[keen osprey]

Surprised we haven't seen a buff to that. I'm surprised that Tip was buffed before any of the other items failing to make appearances.

[frozen meadow]

why did they reduce stinger hive range in pvp, is there something i missed or was that never an issue

[azure grail]

Idk about tip of the spear I rather have the total damage boost

[keen osprey]

Definitely need some love for backfire and give haz Pro builds something to work with for all players..not just raiders, tanks and pvp

[frozen meadow]

all red cavalier w/ backpack

sub attributes are all hazpro

[azure grail]

I think PvP says it’s op

[tender wave]

Yup, I think the idea is that it works on weapon types other than lmgs though, maybe they're looking at the popularity of St Elmo's and realising good handling is popular

[keen osprey]

Very Op even with the skill tier rebalance. You could drop it and the area denial was quite big, made it more difficult in conflict than dz

[frozen meadow]

ah

didnt they reduce it to explosive damage tho? so it wasnt really powerfl

[azure grail]

No that was the trap one I think

[keen osprey]

Shrapnel trap yeah

[azure grail]

Stinger is the bleed hive

[frozen meadow]

i know what it is lol

[frozen meadow]

i still think it uses explosive damage instead of skill damage

because when WONY first came out, firestarters were broken in PVP because they did insane amounts of damage and you couldnt avoid it cuz it was skill damage

im really really intrigued by ouroboros tho

[azure grail]

I wonder how the new SMG will work in a build

[frozen meadow]

omg i thought it was an lmg xD

[azure grail]

There an LMG and a SMG

[frozen meadow]

i know i thought they was both lmgs

gonna be super interesting though

[opal radish]

lmao

[frozen meadow]

still annoyed about the whole no elmos nerf thing

[keen osprey]

Did they not say they were taking a look at how status is dealt with all weapons? Maybe that hasn't been mentioned "yet"

[opal radish]

@tender notch you must be happy your grenade launcher build got buff

[frozen meadow]

elmos does need at least a 5% handling nerf

[iron gust]

Elmos nerf is only needed in pvp imo

[rich shadow]

noooooo

[frozen meadow]

yes

[tender notch]

yea TOTS buff is nice

[opal radish]

leave elmo almos alone

[frozen meadow]

tots buff?

[rich shadow]

i built that remember, still got it

[frozen meadow]

i didnt understand it that much but it seemed moreso like a nerf

[opal radish]

they reworked tots

[tender notch]

yea buff into more Spec weapon style

[rich shadow]

flunk flunk flunk

[frozen meadow]

why was everyone saying it was a nerf

[opal radish]

50% with chest and it is multiplicative i think

[rich shadow]

it'll be good for spamming nades

[opal radish]

but grenade doesn't crit does it also no scaling of red cores

[rich shadow]

but will exotic chest work with it???

[opal radish]

so you can run all blue or yellow

[tender notch]

everything is.

[opal radish]

nice

tac 50 and grenade launcher spam

[tender notch]

also grenades dont crit and they scale off amps and explosive damage. (not red cores)

[tender wave]

No more tips HH builds though, looks like the TWD buff has gone

[frozen meadow]

yay

[tender notch]

all spec weapons scale off different things, more or less

[frozen meadow]

this season has a lot of chaotic nade spamming

[opal radish]

so for tac50/minigun chc/chd

[tender notch]

yes

[opal radish]

and tech and grenade launcher 2pcs groupo or 1 China

[tender notch]

well tac 50 main thing is HSD, minigun chc/ chd and both off WD

correct for tech and grenade launcher also same for xbow explosion

[opal radish]

pgc with 1 pcs china

all blue

tots

[frozen meadow]

im gonna start actually mapping out my custom raid

yall know what im talking about

[tender notch]

xbow is special as it scales off everything but main thing is explosion

[opal radish]

yes n no

[frozen meadow]

yes u do

why aint this app loading >:(

literally 1984

[opal radish]

lol

[frozen meadow]

it loaded

[narrow elm]

I'd argue it's a lot better on any non Lmg? You don't need to hit only shoot for stacks and you can keep them for the whole fight, provided you have less than 2 sec reload time

[opal radish]

2s is annoying maybe like kill refresh the duration

or increase duration to 5 seconds and 10s for perfect

[narrow elm]

They could have made it 3 tbh

[rich shadow]

LMG sucks

[narrow elm]

Maybe they will it's pts after all

[tender notch]

IMHO the new talent just sucks

even for Ars

[opal radish]

agree also new exotic chest 😩

[tender wave]

Agreed too, maintaining stacks will be a huge pain, it's easy to get driven into cover for a couple of seconds or just not have a clear shot

[tender notch]

yea new exotic chest seems weak too QQ like grenades need much more then a simple 35% damage boost

wait hmmm

[opal radish]

need 100% radius and 100% dmg

[tender notch]

firewall grenades

[pliant sentinel]

i miss reclaimer

[opal radish]

they have gaps when they are deployed

so you are on rng even after throwing them

[tender notch]

okay new exo chest might be strong enough to be a fun meme option

[halcyon radish]

I like to test this

[tender notch]

i mean Strikers set alone makes it viable

[final dune]

PvP balancing idea:
Hazard protection also protects agains skills and status dmg, at 100% immune to stagger from skills

[frozen meadow]

thats broken not balanced

[final dune]

no

[tender notch]

New exo chest i just cant see as anything other then "for a fun meme build"

[final dune]

its balanced, u played pvp? xDD status and skill left and right, thats not good for the game

i mean the time to kill is still to short (for the server connection)

[rich shadow]

if it works with TotS then it might be nice

If not (which is my guess) then yea, meme

[opal radish]

looking forward to blue tots

[tender notch]

+grenade stuff never worked with the grenade launcher sadly

[halcyon radish]

with incendiary nade which have more fire power and some crowd control

[rich shadow]

bugged hopefully

[tender notch]

oh i hope so!

[full zinc]

Pts notes look pretty meh. At least for the new gear

[hybrid ore]

new Fire Turret tho.

[opal radish]

looks to me fire crest copy

[lone valve]

The new gear set is basically firecrest
Finally making the incinerator turret good in div 2
Long have I waited

[hybrid ore]

Exactly, I've been trying to recreate my old main since 2019.

well that and d3, but that ain't happening.

[frozen meadow]

edit: intense screaming

[lone valve]

Thoughts on the new exotic lmg
Talent seems interesting

Might go well with the new gear set tbh

[frozen meadow]

its an lmg so

[lone valve]

Kinda disappointed on the exotic smg talent tbh

[full zinc]

Seems like a weaker eclipse . Ngl

[lone valve]

Doesn't even say what guns are the exotics tbh

Don't even know what smg is the exotic smg

Or the lmg

[hybrid ore]

yeah but FIRE TURRET.

[lone valve]

This

It'll most likely make the fire turret finally good

[hybrid ore]

I'm going to use it regardless.

[full zinc]

Well it's a second fire turret and you'll be forced to use the set to get it

[lone valve]

I mean if it makes the fire turret good I won't mind it

[full zinc]

15m spread and 30% amp from ep is pretty hard to beat

What I really wonder... the new exotic smg. You think anyone will try and foam themselves to get some foam rounds 🤣

[frozen meadow]

that would be funny

[lone valve]

Exotic smg might be nice in pvp

[frozen meadow]

poison rounds would be weird

[iron gust]

EP might not be the fire DPS meta with the new gearset

[lone valve]

In pve meh
I'll use it if it looks good
(or has nuts attachments)

[shrewd valve]

new named backpack gives 35% weapon dmg on max stacks

[frozen meadow]

it still will cuz the new set has no spread

[full zinc]

Yeah , it wont beat eclipse

[lone valve]

It'll be a good alternative tho

[frozen meadow]

it wont

[lone valve]

Especially paired with the turret

[frozen meadow]

the turret sucks because of its duration

[full zinc]

Not really. Exactly because you are tied to that turret

[frozen meadow]

duration and its inability to hit targets behind cover

[lone valve]

Sigh
I forget what server I'm in

[frozen meadow]

its a bad skill lol

[balmy cedar]

this is such a weird set bonus lol
1 Piece equipped gives +20% Explosive Resistance
2 Pieces equipped give +10% Skill Health
3 Pieces equipped give +15% LMG Damage

[full zinc]

Itll be an updated exclusive version of the turret. But it wont have ability to fire it where ever stuff is spawning. Youre locked to a radius

[frozen meadow]

it is weird

[iron gust]

Might depend on the scenario, 40% burn damage and 20 duration is big. But yeah it kinda forces ninjabike BP if you want the spread from EP

[shrewd valve]

what’re people’s opinion on the new ortiz set coming out? Look like a set that could kinda compete with ep burn but i kinda doubt it will replace it

[full zinc]

Eclipse with firewall and glass will do much better *and ep bag

[rose kraken]

put in random assortment of buffs, call it a new skill set

[frozen meadow]

burn duration not skill duration

[rose kraken]

brand set

[shrewd valve]

kinda gives me D1 exotic farm burn turret build vibes

[balmy cedar]

give the lmg damage at the top 😭

[shrewd valve]

there’s already a set with lmg first

[balmy cedar]

ik

i want more

[frozen meadow]

lmgs will always kinda suck

[balmy cedar]

no u

new reliable ftw

[full zinc]

I mean , explosive resistance and skill health is very desirable on lmg builds /s

[shrewd valve]

not with ND

[rose kraken]

bullet king my beloved

[balmy cedar]

ew

[shrewd valve]

bullet king ND build

one of the favorites

[frozen meadow]

ew

[shrewd valve]

cry about it

i’m thirsty

[frozen meadow]

youre the one who should be crying about the low damage lol

[shrewd valve]

low dmg? why do you think it’s in ND?

[frozen meadow]

because nd is a build?

just replace it with a gr9 and youre automatically doing more damage

[neon wyvern]

nd > striker

[balmy cedar]

bullet king sucks in general sorry it has a high recoil and barely hits anything

[shrewd valve]

gr9 isn’t bullet king tho

[rose kraken]

high recoil? it barely has any

[balmy cedar]

if u put steady handed it is

[frozen meadow]

yeah its better

[shrewd valve]

that’s a fact

[balmy cedar]

ur on pc, the recoil control is better

[frozen meadow]

it also just does overall less damage

[balmy cedar]

on controller u have to pull the stick down every 0.5 a second or ur shooting at the roof

[frozen meadow]

just replace with a steady handed gr9 and then you have a better gun with no drawbacks lmao

[shrewd valve]

if you can’t control the recoil on console that’s just a skill issue

[frozen meadow]

i think the bigger skill issue is using bullet king but i mean whatever

[shrewd valve]

i like thing no reload

[balmy cedar]

steady handed

[frozen meadow]

steady handed

[neon wyvern]

this is no reload if you hit half your shots

[balmy cedar]

unwavering on a vector

[shrewd valve]

bullet king look cool

[neon wyvern]

Surely you can hit 100/250 bullets

[shrewd valve]

so i make it work because i want to use it

[balmy cedar]

you just think you're reloading 😏

[rose kraken]

bullet king gud, hold lmb and turn off brain

[shrewd valve]

i like using it when i wanna hear bbbrbrbrbrbrbrbr

[frozen meadow]

so you prefer less damage just because gun look cooler

average bk user

[shrewd valve]

smoke a bit and listen to music while funny pew pew gun make thing go bye bye

[rose kraken]

its a fun gun

isnt that what video games are about

[frozen meadow]

whats not fun is doing fuck all damage

[balmy cedar]

iron lung looks fun yo

[shrewd valve]

what’s the issue with having fun and using what i want? you speak about it as if it’s unusable. I’m just saying i like to use it and it’s fun.

[full zinc]

Dont all lmg pretty much knee cap any build compared to an AR

[balmy cedar]

hopefully they put chc on it so u can run it on red tp

[frozen meadow]

yeah pretty much

[neon wyvern]

we should be able to shield peak with LMG

[iron gust]

Not a surprise but the incursion won't be in the PTS

[rose kraken]

unless you do like turbo legendary nemesis all elites heroic poopoo balls difficulty bullet king is very much usable

[balmy cedar]

bring back mobile cover ^

[shrewd valve]

spoken like someone who fell for the dare program

[balmy cedar]

?

[frozen meadow]

how tf can you shit on lmgs when you use a bullet king

[shrewd valve]

why shit on anything other than ninjabike

[balmy cedar]

them kneepads nice bro

[frozen meadow]

what kind of logic is that

[shrewd valve]

every gun in the game is useable#

[frozen meadow]

lmao complete lie

[balmy cedar]

reloads your lmg by just vaulting

[neon wyvern]

ninjabike is usable and is decent

[frozen meadow]

its better than bullet king

[neon wyvern]

just worse 99.9% of the time

[shrewd valve]

i use ninjabike on meme builds and even i know this is false

[frozen meadow]

how tf can you meme on ninjabike then use bullet king unironically

[gilded perch]

@frozen meadow imagine i had use vanguard and madbommer as support in pvp few years lol

[neon wyvern]

I don't think it's unironically

[frozen meadow]

i hope its ironically

[balmy cedar]

this talent dont make sense lol

Stabilize – Weapon Talent
+1% Weapon Accuracy and +1% Weapon Stability per bullet shot, up to +60%.
Stopping shooting will start a timer of 2 seconds, after which the bonuses reset

[shrewd valve]

didn’t i already say i used it to have fun and lean back? don’t mix my words around please. that’s not nice

[balmy cedar]

steady handed exists

[frozen meadow]

google the definition of irony

[balmy cedar]

isnt on empty better than stabilize?

[shrewd valve]

don’t pull that shit. I said what i said. Don’t act like that. We’re just having a convo

[frozen meadow]

bring back venomous conduct 🙏

i feel like the devs are listening to me sometimes

[balmy cedar]

whats that?

[frozen meadow]

the made up talent i made up

[full zinc]

Ofc they listen to the boss, they dont want a write up 😅

[frozen meadow]

xD

remember my idea for buffing the imperial dynasty

i really really feel like they are listening to me

[neon wyvern]

whatever they did it wasn't enough

[frozen meadow]

#td2-general-chat message

it is questionably close to what they added

[tender wave]

Your fault if this new incursion turns out to be basically impossible for everyone except the top 0.1%

[frozen meadow]

im so down for that

blame me all the hell you want if that happens

i swear to GOD they are listening to me

[gilded perch]

and they inspect my build to make patch lol

[tender wave]

Get them to fix the rope at that construction site bounty location then. It's a little thing but has been broken for soooo long

[hybrid ore]

It worked for me the other day and I have no idea what I did.

[oak prawn]

So new season drops Oct 3rd?

[hybrid ore]

As of right now, it seems likely. But always assume the exact date is in flux.

[frozen meadow]

Where did that date come from

[oak prawn]

Im going off what I see

[frozen meadow]

From where

[oak prawn]

Someone said it in here idk where

[hybrid ore]

4 weeks from now, which is about then.

[oak prawn]

Rn im tryna enjoy my vacation in Greece

[frozen meadow]

Wow great 10/10 source of info

[hybrid ore]

Which last I checked is how long the ingame Season Timer has left.

[oak prawn]

I basically stopped playing when I beat the manhunt I only log in to do 1 or 2 games of CD then nkt play for like a week or so

[hybrid ore]

It's a healthy way to play, avoid burnout.
I like to do a bounty, but Countdown is smarter and I should swap to that.

[oak prawn]

It's not that the game is dead its just once you do the manhunt it gets boring farming gets repetitive after a while

I will occasionally when I'm logged in help people a few times as well

[frozen meadow]

Yo any devs out there feel free to contact me

[oak prawn]

I do it just cause I like to play other stuff as well and it avoids burnouts for a single game

[hybrid ore]

Ditto.
WF/and anything offline single player is perfect for that.
At a certain point you just have enough in div2 and don't need more.

[oak prawn]

I agree while I will always love td2 playing it without fresh content is not enjoyable cause there is nothing new

I'm hoping with this new season it gets me hyped to play and invest more time into the game

[frozen meadow]

I know it will for me

I've been waiting for this incursion

If it's called Operation firework THEN ITS NOT MY FAULT

[hybrid ore]

It's exactly why I invested in the Season Pass for the first time wony s01.
the extra pretty stuff keeps the game fresh, and the extra caches are just kinda nice.

[oak prawn]

Yea but im hoping with the incursion coming up next season and it's eith the cleaner Faction at a estate that it's fun

[frozen meadow]

If the new incursion is actually called operation firework then idfk cuz I just made that up literally right now

So don't blame me

[hybrid ore]

I forget what it's called, but a full Cavalier outfit set, combined with the specific dye, and gear appearance mods make my Agent just sparkle.
and the traffic cone trophy of course.

[frozen meadow]

If it includes hunters you can 100% blame me

[oak prawn]

I kinda hope you blow the place up afterwards just cause I like things that go boom

[neon wyvern]

they should stick 5 hunters in a small room again

[hybrid ore]

Bonus nostalgia points if you drop a fuel-tanker on it at the end whilst you're hanging from a ladder.

[neon wyvern]

Only way incursions can be good

[oak prawn]

If memory serves me right incursions are 4 player mini raids ?

[hybrid ore]

Basically.

[frozen meadow]

Or do what I did with the whole operation grand finale idea

[neon wyvern]

dk what that is

[frozen meadow]

Take every mission combine them into countdown with raid mechanics and add no checkpoints

[hybrid ore]

That is a terrible idea.

[oak prawn]

Oh no that's a rage feast waiting to happen

[hybrid ore]

That is the "7 day jobs in pd2" of ideas.

[frozen meadow]

• no ISAC, skills, there's countermeasures...

[hybrid ore]

That's worse than matchmade normal Iron Horse for ideas.

[neon wyvern]

• periodic hunters

[frozen meadow]

The enemies are 85% hunters

[oak prawn]

Hunters are not that bad

[neon wyvern]

Infinite spawns until objective is complete

[frozen meadow]

And some of the hunters have billions of health

[hybrid ore]

I'd rather re-run my first Liberty Island fight than play that.

[frozen meadow]

No you're not told what the objectives are

Also stealth mechanics

[neon wyvern]

I see riven was a skill build user

[oak prawn]

Is it me or is eevee more crazy with game ideas then before?

[frozen meadow]

This is normal

[hybrid ore]

Actually not even, my first one I died after he ran away, to DoT.

[neon wyvern]

Let him cook

[oak prawn]

Become a dec eevee

[neon wyvern]

🔥

[frozen meadow]

If I learn coding I'll apply

[oak prawn]

Not that cringe 😬

[neon wyvern]

Summit floor 100

[hybrid ore]

I hope they made you build nothing but shrapnel trap models.

[frozen meadow]

I was thinking dozens above-legendary difficulty hunters

[neon wyvern]

No, repair trap

[oak prawn]

Shock trap the opening lure them into the lobby 1 by 1 easy

[frozen meadow]

With old leg TB turret health

[oak prawn]

Why not add every boss as well

Both from div 1 and 2

[frozen meadow]

That was already on my to-do list

[neon wyvern]

with Scorpio as well yeah ik cheese exists

[frozen meadow]

My idea was a razorback complex you have to infiltrate

Where you have to divert orange gas to kill the dozens of online razorbacks

[neon wyvern]

when cheese is the only way to complete an encounter

[oak prawn]

I feel like if eevee was a dev for this game she would make as rage inducing as possible

[frozen meadow]

But you also have only 4 members cuz the other four have to take care of another objective

[frozen meadow]

:)

[neon wyvern]

Don't forget the emp jammer in the corner of the map

no jammer pulse srry

[frozen meadow]

Conley emps yes

[oak prawn]

Stop giving here ideas

😂

[frozen meadow]

No skills are disabled throughout the entire encounter

Like perma-hacked

[oak prawn]

Now your just making it impossible

[neon wyvern]

they aren't disabled but deploying them hacks them instantly

[frozen meadow]

No

[frozen meadow]

Yes

There's also certain things you can do where if you go for a dummy objective then you'll insta wipe

Like you call for backup but insta explode

[oak prawn]

So basically your make a mode where people will break montiors K&M amd controllers?

[neon wyvern]

someone alsl has to baby sit a certain objective or else the chungus wipes the team

[frozen meadow]

Skill issue

[neon wyvern]

team and skill issue🥱

[frozen meadow]

Well back to the razorback complex idea

You have to divert the gas then hold the position so hunters and BT don't overtake it

[neon wyvern]

With ass armor aswell

[frozen meadow]

Shit forgot to mention you can't swap loadouts as you're permanently in combat + gear locked

[neon wyvern]

No regen either?

shit yourself

[frozen meadow]

And if you get meleed by a hunter they yoink your gun

[oak prawn]

So let me get this right hunters BT no skills stuck with whatever loadout/build you have and hunters take your gun?

[frozen meadow]

And revive tokens

[neon wyvern]

hunters take your st elmos. Cope

[oak prawn]

Still got my my CAR7 m4 and famas

[frozen meadow]

But the whole point is it's a RAID not a RUN IN SHOOT STUFF WALK OUT NO RESISTANCE

Also the extraction hell gets shot down so you have to escape on a hijacked hovercraft

[neon wyvern]

Sounds like this needs a discovery mode

[oak prawn]

Yea normal mode you will struggle

[frozen meadow]

this is the discovery mode jk lmao

Discovery mode will be the difficulty of full blown iron horse

[oak prawn]

I'll just get remi to carry me

[frozen meadow]

No carries

Every person needs an objective to do and there's not enough firepower otherwise

[neon wyvern]

Dodge city holster is banned

[oak prawn]

Feels bad for the person who has the wrong build on

[frozen meadow]

OH SHIT I FORGOT ONE THING

No checkpoints

[oak prawn]

So if you wipe u start at tbe beginning?

[frozen meadow]

Yes

[oak prawn]

I can imagine you get to the last part then you die that will make alot of people mad

[frozen meadow]

Skill issue

Leaderboard of # of clears would actually mean something

[oak prawn]

Meh I would like to see if that raid is speed runnable

[frozen meadow]

It ain't a raid it's a trap

[oak prawn]

Quote admiral ackbar "it's a trap"

[frozen meadow]

Just to make it a little bit more enticing, there's huge ass loot drops from bosses

[oak prawn]

How much loot we talking?

[hybrid ore]

but it's all Rigger pieces.

[neon wyvern]

0.001% chance for regulus drop

[oak prawn]

Its all TODO

[frozen meadow]

30-40 per boss per day

85% exo chance

[neon wyvern]

Add this now

[frozen meadow]

See

People are loving it already :D

[neon wyvern]

make it selectable targeted loot aswell

[oak prawn]

Thst much loot in a room filled with players is a crash waiting to happen for some people and don't say skill issue

[neon wyvern]

now there's incentive

[frozen meadow]

It wouldn't crash

[oak prawn]

So pretty much you just want people to suffer? From what you said you would add it seems like suffering

[frozen meadow]

Nah people would still beat it give it a week from launch

[oak prawn]

People will find ways to cheese it

[frozen meadow]

No cheese

[neon wyvern]

But it would be worth it if it gave you 180 items with 85% exo chance per day

[frozen meadow]

There ain't any way to cheese it

[neon wyvern]

[frozen meadow]

Rooms and enemy densities are randomized

[oak prawn]

Depends if it includes locked exotics like regulus or guns that need projects to be added into your general loot pool

[frozen meadow]

Also how tf do you cheese anything without skills

[frozen meadow]

Any exo

[oak prawn]

You be surprised with what people can do eevee

Just give them time

[frozen meadow]

Trust me I know what is and isn't doable with this game

Can you think of a slightly possible way that cheese could be done

Just the tiniest chance

You can't cheese if you don't know what to cheese

Also no skills basically prevents everything

[rough sleet]

can't cheese if you're lactose intolerant....

[balmy cedar]

lactose be a crime sometimes

[frozen meadow]

Lol

Seriously tho this concept is uncheesable

[balmy cedar]

i wonder if they let you be a division agent with lactose intolerance or do you have to eat 5 mres and be able to jog 5 miles straight afterwards

[oak prawn]

Alr I am going back to enjoying Greece gonna go hit the nightlife here its currently 742 pm here and I wanna drink so bye 👋

[frozen meadow]

Bye

[frozen meadow]

Only six bosses? I was thinking at least eight

[oak prawn]

Then when I get back tk my Air BnB play some snowbreak with my pc I brought for keeping myself entertained when I'm not out exploring

[frozen meadow]

Five bosses, sokolova + McManus, and a final boss when evacuating

What about a stealth side mission before unlocking the mission just to introduce mechanics

Like get to the compound before actually raiding it

Where you have to avoid surveillance drones

[sterile ferry]

#lfg-pc

[lime fulcrum]

i just read the #news-and-announcements didnt expect it thb 👍

[loud storm]

Seems like my hoarding of DZ recourses is gonna pay of 😁 got over 20K resources. But im not feeling the tots rework... feels as a downgrade to me,hoped the reverted it back to the pulse stuff wich it had original.

Flame turret set is kinda nice (if it would also auto shoot) but we have already so much status and its OP in pvp and this aint helping it lol. And the perfect stabilize talent?? I choose the talent near sighted over it any time

[lime fulcrum]

one question we cannot test incursion? 🤔

[elfin hazel]

it is not in the PTS

just the SMG

[lime fulcrum]

tnx 👍

[azure lintel]

Isn't it annoying when you pop a chem launcher and some idiot just runs up and stands right in front of you causing you to burn yourself to death? I wish Countdown has a friendly fire option

[loud storm]

Friendly fire on would make everything a challenge on a whole new level with randoms🤣🤣

Still i would like it

[real creek]

I mean you can explode environmentals next to your team mates and hurt them in countdown already what more do you want?

[silver orbit]

I cant see the reason in having a grenade focused season, but not beeing able to select from all of them. That seems so incomplete.

[real creek]

I mean grenades don't do that much damage in the end game anyway. Solo heroic elites have 9.9 mil health, I just can't see these grenades killing them unless it's 2-3 of them and you'd have to cook them otherwise they just run so you are just sitting in cover trying not to get blasted I guess?

[azure lintel]

The burn chem launcher doesn’t have friendly fire

Exploded it many times next to people and they’re fine

[silver orbit]

That comes even on top- Without a massive dmg boost its even more useless ..

[real creek]

I didn't say they did. If you wanna light players on fire might I suggest the Darkzone maybe?

[azure lintel]

Bro are you slow

Nowhere did I say that

[real creek]

You know what friendly fire is right?

The joke is that friendly fire is all but friendly?

[azure lintel]

To start with friendly fire for weapons but not skills

[real creek]

So you wanna use your gun to shoot teammates?

I think maybe you don't understand how the term "friendly fire" is used in well IRL and in games.

[vapid wyvern]

i took over a control point called gate but is still says takeover in progress

do i have to wait

[real creek]

Did you call reinforcements? Are they stuck fighting someone else on the way?

[vapid wyvern]

i called for reinforcements. they are currently taking cover for some reason but there is no enemy

oh nvm i left the area and it is now secured

weird

[real creek]

It can be buggy. Sometimes it'll full bug. Quicker to just go find a new one honestly.

[real creek]

Might be best not to say this to people ya know. Hopefully you looked up what friendly fire means and you at least understand that now.

[balmy cedar]

This shit would get half of us banned 😂

[vapid wyvern]

ahh i see thank you

[iron gust]

• To clarify: DZ vendor Exotic caches does not contain raid exclusives & the incursion exclusive SMG is not guaranteed upon first weekly clear* interesting, do people have that many dz resources that's it worth spending on exotic caches? Also seems the incursion will work the same way as raids

[real creek]

DZ credits don't have a cap iirc. I bet some people have 10s of thousands of them.

[wide lotus]

THEY ARE NERfing stinger hive LESS GO

[iron gust]

Yeah I wonder how many people have that amount of resources for it to be worth it. And there's better ways to get exotics. Feels like it's for the diehard pvp players

[real creek]

Well dz is a very good exotic component farm already so it'll be even better.

[full zinc]

skill issue /s

[neon wyvern]

man's running Firestarter in countdown

[full zinc]

🤣 run hazpro non issue

foam way better in countdown

[kind veldt]

Did they just kill tip of the spear?

[dire ravine]

Bruh I have thousands of dz resources can't wait to finally have something to spend em on

[lime fulcrum]

chat what if i apply foam to mobs?!
50% of bullets do apply foam?! 😂

[kind veldt]

i am seriously confused with the tip of hte spear change seeing how they had to change from signature weapon kill to hit because people were not getting signature weapon kills

[iron token]

Well im farming for hotshot gear and I saw an exotic mr drop and I was so happy until it wasn't the nemesis haha

[kind veldt]

is there even a PTS only channel i can go to complain about it

[fervent lava]

Where are the Raid voice channels?
I dont see them

[kind veldt]

removed, read discord news channel

[elfin hazel]

not yet but I'd imagine it'll go up soon

[kind veldt]

i'm really really mad

Tip of the Spear

Main Talent (PVE)

    Aggressive Recon's weapon damage buff is now gained when dealing specialization weapon damage, instead of on specialization weapon kill

even tracked down their own patchnotes they had to make the change

because the entire point was that in groups and in certain cases most spec weapons werent doing enough damage

so you would waste ammo, not get a kill and not get a bonus

so set was horrible because enemy would survive with 3% health a crossbow shot + bleed or more if you were in a group and not get the bonus

they fixed the problem and now are digging it up again

it's like putting melee damage on shotguns as weapon type bonus again and thinking thats a good thing

[fervent lava]

:)

[kind veldt]

if i am blind and completely missed they saying why this is a good change or that spec weapons were getting big damage buffs and now look like a fool please tell me

[wispy heron]

Wow, so the tip of the spear is officially dead

If that's everything they've got to offer for that change then F

The bonus only lasts 5 seconds now too?

[kind veldt]

and only for spec weapons apparently?

[fervent lava]

Well I'm glad there's an Incursion coming

[wispy heron]

Spec weapon only build when

[fervent lava]

I hope it better be good

[kind veldt]

the SMG just looks bland

people want to avoid getting status effect

since it looks like the talent gives special effect and not special ammo you will probably lose it if you change weapons

[wispy heron]

It's going to be meme or it'll end up being useful only for something specific

[kind veldt]

i mean it could just have incredible stats

[wispy heron]

Elmo 2.0?

That's the only way it can be saved

[kind veldt]

elmo at least lets you keep the ammo

[dire ravine]

Bruh even more status in dz gonna get even more toxic

[kind veldt]

since the talent gives you special ammo

this one you need to get hit by it first

i sure love not being able to aim while in fire to make a enemy catch on fire

[wispy heron]

I don't think being immune to the hazard will let you get that special effect but in case it will it can be useful in pvp

[kind veldt]

the LMG is just straight up better in this case

man i just wanted a new exotic shotgun

[wispy heron]

How often exotics are released anyway?

[kind veldt]

2-3 per season

one weapon, one armor and sometimes we get an extra attached to something else

like new game mode, event or manhunt

[wispy heron]

Those new exotics look meh

I hope incursion is fun

[kind veldt]

granades having a chestpiece exotic for them is not bad, i mean kudos for trying to make them relevant

[wispy heron]

Yeah, that's cool to have

[kind veldt]

not really interesting might make incendiary granades very fun

[wispy heron]

May end up being fun to use sometimes

[kind veldt]

LMG looks fine and more related to cleaners than the SMG

[wispy heron]

Smg may be related to boss or the general theme

[kind veldt]

it's a cleaners themed incursion so there wil lbe fire and extra status effect more likely

[wispy heron]

Is there info on what smg is made exotic?

[kind veldt]

nope, neither the LMG will know tomorrow when PTS is out

[wispy heron]

I'll need to check YouTube later for that

[kind veldt]

well we can guess it's not the same as guns that already have exotics, so no P90, CMMG or MPX

[wispy heron]

Vector counts?

It technically has an exotic variant

[kind veldt]

eh... maybe it's on AR, but i guess so

[neon wyvern]

chameleon is not an smg

[kind veldt]

but it is an vector

welcome to weirdo video game

[neon wyvern]

Banshee then

give us a banshee

[kind veldt]

lady death?

[neon wyvern]

is it?

fuck

[kind veldt]

yeah it's the CMMG banshee

my prediction is going to be one the thompson or tommy variants

because they hate us

[bitter wraith]

Are people cheating on console? Came across a group of 4 using a 5 blue 1 red build 1.4 mil shotgun damage and killing us in 1 or 2 shots??

I was using a 5 blue build?

[iron token]

Just got 2 discord requests from people who in their bio says they are div2 hackers... hmm

[sterile ferry]

Me and a buddy got them too lol

[neon falcon]

Did enemy scaling get changed? Shit feels way harder

[reef reef]

I'm working on it. Just dont respond to any of them, block them.

[sterile ferry]

Yup i just declind the friend req

[versed oxide]

Man I love being in the open world trying to target a single elite resource convoy when all of a sudden out of two more two elite patrols and another resource convoy come from every direction

Out of nowhere*

[reef reef]

aight i think i got most of the bots. if anyone finds one that was missed, lmk and i'll ban it

[balmy cedar]

Global event maybe?

[versed oxide]

My god it spawned 3 shield rushers and grenadier in the same area with no cover

I’m slowly going insane

[iron token]

I had 3 shields and a detonator

[versed oxide]

Think I found

One of those bots y’all were talking about

Cause it added me

I think it’s banned though

[kind veldt]

they appear in all servers

bigger the server the more you see them

[versed oxide]

First time I’ve seen bots like this though

Not to say I haven’t ever been messaged by bots because I have

[crystal patio]

man I hate having to farm the DZ for DZ exclusive gear

[kind veldt]

famr named caches

[crystal patio]

I never get the gear I want doing that

I'm farming (or trying to at least) for Bloody Knuckles

[versed oxide]

I have never touched the dc

Well that’s a lie, I’ve only extracted once

[crystal patio]

lol

[versed oxide]

Mainly because of my crippling anxiety

[crystal patio]

everyone is so aggressive in the DZ

[versed oxide]

And that is why I don’t go there

I want to go just to crab all the sound files

Grab

[crystal patio]

I don't blame you

[versed oxide]

The lobby I extracted in that one time was nice

Although I immagine nice lobby’s full of chill people are rare

[crystal patio]

they are

especially when the DZ that you need to farm is invaded

its like ah yes just add to the pain why don't you game

[versed oxide]

It would be neat to have a dz like thing ofc without dz exclusive gear but a

Dz like things just full of random agents that you can encounter and do stuff with

Just minus the threat of rogues

[crystal patio]

lol ikr

I wish

[versed oxide]

Just an open world multiplayer thing

Kinda like elden ring or some other games

That have features simmilar to that

[frozen meadow]

Uhh

Do y'all think we could ever hit the damage cap

And overflow into negatives

[kind veldt]

kinda doubt

dont think we have enough multiplicative buffs and debuffs to deal such amount of damage

i mean doesnt sweet dreams melee just cause an absurd damage number?

[crystal patio]

I think to a red bar its something like 100 million or something dumb

I don't remember the exact number but its up there

[iron adder]

I have heard it's capped at 1 billion or so damage

[neon wyvern]

dodge city regulus and what

[real creek]

Damage cap is 1 billion, gets hit on first boss IH pretty easy if you do enough stacks.

[frozen meadow]

Wait as in 1 billion or 999999999

[real creek]

It'll say 1 billion.

[frozen meadow]

Like in text?

Like does it say 1,000,000,000 or 1 billion

[neon wyvern]

💀

[real creek]

It says it in numbers.

[neon wyvern]

you guys don't have all your damage numbers show as words?

[frozen meadow]

The way he worded it confused me

[real creek]

I'll put a screeny in community

#ask-td2-community message So that's what it looks like.

[kind veldt]

are you telling me you dont have th extension to show damage numbers in binary?

and yeap thats a big number

[frozen meadow]

?

[carmine bramble]

Are you able to obtain keys and open chest at the end of iron horse only once every week?

[real creek]

You can use alt characters to open the boxes for more keys but the final boss always drops a key so you can farm them that way too.

[carmine bramble]

@real creek and keys you get using other character is shared to main character?

[kind veldt]

just joking around

[real creek]

No keys are always locked per character.

[kind veldt]

since it would create an absurd long number in screen

[real creek]

But if you run thru on an alt you'd be able to open with your five keys.

[carmine bramble]

I am trying to get exotic parts for that regulous handgun

[real creek]

Oh well that's a bit different.

[carmine bramble]

@real creek issue is i already open all key boxes and final box for this week. And I need to open final box for exotic component, but how?

[real creek]

So you have all the other gun parts the bosses drop?

[carmine bramble]

I did projects and just need to do iron horse again, but that last box is issue

[real creek]

If you've already run it this week you won't get gun parts anyway.

They only drop on your first run of the week.

[carmine bramble]

Not yet, haven't got parts from bosses yet as I want to run it when I can for sure be able to open that last box.

@real creek i see, that answer my question, so have to wait till next week, hmm.

[real creek]

Well if you haven't run this week you'll have keys so I'm not sure why you're worried about the box at the end?

Oh okay nvm.

[carmine bramble]

@real creek exotic parts drop only drop on first run for the week thing sucks

[real creek]

Dude that regulus is worth it tho.

[opal radish]

yeah regulus is just amazing

[real creek]

You've gotta have good aim and click heads but it's so satisfying.

[opal radish]

it takes time to use to but once get a grasp you don't go back to other weapt

[carmine bramble]

So much work for getting one exotic gun....

[real creek]

The exotic gun.

[opal radish]

one weapon to nearly rule them all

[carmine bramble]

So regulous one hit kill even in legendary?

[real creek]

Yeah but you've gotta splash damage elites a little. I run it on speed legendaries.

[opal radish]

absolutely

elites the problem on 4 man scaling

you can solo with regulus

people have done dua legendary solo with regulus

except for last boss need m870

[carmine bramble]

Auto aim head shot cheaters using regulous in pvp will kill everyone, lol.

[opal radish]

or dch regulus

[real creek]

High end regulus with DCH is pretty fun tho.

[opal radish]

yeah

[real creek]

You ever DCH strikers?

[opal radish]

my main build

[real creek]

lol the pocket rocket yo

[carmine bramble]

What is DCH?

[real creek]

Dodge City holster

[opal radish]

pocket nuke

[carmine bramble]

What it do?

[opal radish]

in cd hits for like 80 million

with close range and bunch of buffs

@frozen meadow doesn't liked my build

[frozen meadow]

What did I do

[real creek]

While your pistol is holstered you gain stacks that increase your base weapon damage on the first shot of your pistol.

[frozen meadow]

Hold on what the fuck is a high end regulus

[opal radish]

you didn't like my striker dch build

[frozen meadow]

You mean where you just changed a single item and called it a nuke?

[real creek]

Chain killer, DCH, punch drunk, foxes, contractors, and gift.

[frozen meadow]

I see

[crystal patio]

what is gift?

[frozen meadow]

It's this thing you get from someone else who's being nice to you

[crystal patio]

all of those are named items no?

[crystal patio]

lol nice

[frozen meadow]

Perfect vigilance Providence backpack

[crystal patio]

ah

[opal radish]

😂 😂

[real creek]

DZ/named cache only.

[frozen meadow]

Dz exclusive ya

[crystal patio]

of course DZ

of course it is

[frozen meadow]

Also the only difference is 1 second less cooldown

[opal radish]

not worth the effort the gift

[real creek]

Yeah gift is meh, I actually wear a DH vigi backpack because the stability from the 2 pc helps shoot at longer range.

[opal radish]

or you can use badger/airaldi for the bonus

[carmine bramble]

Are exotic projects shared among characters?

[opal radish]

if you buy blueprint i think they get shared

[opal radish]

only regulus project is charawide shared and exo recalibration blueprints

things like nemisis/liberty etc blueprint are not shared

[dusk trench]

I'm sorta curious about the utility Ouroboros will have. I feel like you don't get hit by status effects too often

maybe pvp folks will find more use out of it

the thought of having riot foam rounds sure is fun tho

[halcyon radish]

“This effect will only occur during combat.“ guess it is likely for PVE, the question is how many rounds the SMG have

[dusk trench]

i can see more utility for pvp. throwing elmo rounds or riot foam or stinger hive bleeds back at your enemies

[narrow elm]

Idk about pvp but Are you not dead if you get hit with shock ammo from elmos

[opal radish]

attachments affects the weapon what it is look at elmos attachment make elmos what it is it's talent is meh

[covert wing]

im doing the gunner mission and stage 4 it says complete territory control activities, what does it mean?

[inner harness]

In open world there is an activity called territory control

Complete those @covert wing

[covert wing]

i already did like 4 of those and the missions still says 0/3

[tender wave]

Projects are not shared, the final crafting blueprint is shared if you have shared blueprints on your characters. Eg I can farm nemesis parts on a secondary character but I don't need to farm the blueprint again. Regulus works same as other exotics in this way, except for Regulus I don't think the exotic pieces will even drop if you haven't done the projects, even though you have the blueprint.

[opal radish]

yeah but i crosschecked only the regulus raid project is shared need to run the raid tbh to find out

[tender wave]

I'm fairly certain the Regulus project is not shared, the only advantage to running it on multiple characters is to farm more ironworks materials (which are shared) so whoever has the project can donate them sooner

[opal radish]

it is shared

you can check on your alt

[opal radish]

wether it drops the part ot not I don't know

[tender wave]

So someone new could get the Regulus within one week if they used 3 characters?

[opal radish]

if he has the blueprint maybe

[tender wave]

One to start the project, second one to get more materials for the donations, then the third to collect the pieces

[opal radish]

i haven't tested but my alt has the blueprint

the final one

i can show you a video proof

[tender wave]

I already agreed that blueprints are shared, it's the projects that get you the blueprint that generally aren't

[opal radish]

agree there but regulus blueprint is the only exception checked my alt can check 2nd alt

maybe 3rd alt also he has 30 mins

gameplay time 😂

[tender wave]

All you need to share blueprints is to buy the shared blueprints thing from Inaya, but blueprints are not the same as projects

[opal radish]

yess I know that

but for some reason regulus blueprint is shared nemesis is still locked

give me 20-30 mins going back home and gonna record the video

[tender wave]

Nemesis isn't a project as such, it never appears on the projects tab

[versed comet]

Can Anyone Help Me level Up My Second Character From level 30 Please?

[tender wave]

Try #lfg-pc or just call for backup ingame, running WONY only takes a couple of hours if you have backup

[inner elbow]

The Owobowos SMG sounds very tasty

[opal radish]

we can status ourself imagine foam ammo

or emp ammo

[full zinc]

Is pts live?

[opal radish]

6 hrs to go

[full zinc]

Ok so didnt test my idea yet 🤣

[opal radish]

yeah

[inner elbow]

Something sounds off that they didn't bother mentioning anything about the Incursion in the patch notes

[iron gust]

It's not in the PTS

[inner elbow]

So it won't be launching with main Season 2 patch or what

[tender wave]

Probably will, but they want everyone to go in blind maybe

Can't get those world first clears if some people have tested it in the PTS

[opal radish]

lol

[inner elbow]

Just like Iron Horse huh

[iron gust]

Not sure how it's a bad thing, incursion would be strated out by the time the new season came out

[iron token]

well i just found my td2 lifetime stats. 37k kills and 59k headshots in 330 hrs hmm

[real creek]

On the tracker site?

[iron token]

no just the ubisoft client

[real creek]

Well I think they pull from there but yeah mine is like 190k kills and 615k headshot kills.

[iron token]

ill play for a bit find a massive bug or not have the targeted loot i want and just drop it for a while lol. ive been around since d2 launch

[real creek]

Yeah I've been playing since launch but dropped the game when WONY came out but returned like 6 months ago.

[opal radish]

don't you think your stats are weird 190k kills and 615k headshot kill should be headshots

[real creek]

I just wonder if they have separate categories and don't have an overall kills number.

[opal radish]

mhhh maybe try the mobile app

[real creek]

Naw, I'm not worried about it. Although I'm pretty sure they just separate them out with no total kills listed, gotta do your own math.

[frozen meadow]

Both raids

[opal radish]

did you watch foam headhunter 🙃

[frozen meadow]

I forgor

[opal radish]

i died 2 time in game to pull that off 🥲

[frozen meadow]

Lemme see if internet good enough to check rn

[opal radish]

sure

only 30 MB

[frozen meadow]

How did you die taking that

Skill issue 100%

[opal radish]

at different spawn lol foamd the guy but 4 npcs open fired on me

forgot my shield 😂

[opal radish]

the rusher death was funny he died so close

[frozen meadow]

Skill issue

[opal radish]

game not loading :skill issue

[frozen meadow]

My game loads

[opal radish]

my game sometimes gives delta on loading 😂 😂 🤣

[frozen meadow]

Skill issue

[opal radish]

lmfao

[real creek]

It's just the auto reply.

[frozen meadow]

Skill issue

[kind veldt]

is the channel to complaing about tip of the spear changes open now?

[frozen meadow]

Yes

Well idk

You can complain here

[kind veldt]

already did yesterday and since ubi nuked their forums i at least want to complaing again on the PTS channel

[opal radish]

if they are going signature route may as well remove the nef when tots is used against named enemies

[kind veldt]

well they would a bigger buff to make them reliable in 4 man content

due the scalling giving enemies a big boost in health

and the fact some are more utility than kills, like crossbow

[real creek]

Does anyone use tips for more than HH MMR? Isn't it only used to start the HH with tac 50?

[kind veldt]

or the fact they previously had to patch IN the change from signature weapon kill to signature weapon HIT because plot twist, signature weapon kill barely worked

[opal radish]

yes

[opal radish]

azure explosive tots build

[real creek]

They moved stuff around in the set so it seems like it might be better for other utility use vs just a MMR build.

[opal radish]

if they remove nerf against named enemies tac50 will overtake nemisis as a boss killer

[narrow elm]

Why would they remove that though it was implemented exactly for hat reason

[real creek]

I don't think they want that regardless. To me it seems the rework lets you do more damage on your spec first hits and less after kill. I wonder if with the chest and backpack talent up how much it would hit for.

[real creek]

I assume it's prep for new stuff in the future or because it would be op in the new incursions.

[kind veldt]

the changes i would make is so you get the 4 piece bonus of 15% spec weapon damage and 25% reload speed just by switching to spec weapon and getting KILLS would refresh it

[opal radish]

nice one

[kind veldt]

change the chestpiece to instead giving you double ammo every 60s to cutting the cooldown of the effect to 30 so the uptime of the talent would be more consistent
use spec ammo until dry -> get 15s of big all weapon damage buff -> wait 15s after the effect ends to get ammo -> shoot until dry again

[balmy cedar]

Spec ammo burns through quick if you’re not using crossbow / tac 50

And they’re not effective for using as a main weapon if you’re not built around a specific stat

[kind veldt]

the 50% all weapon bonus so you use your main gun is really short compared to the cooldown

[balmy cedar]

Personally I think the kill giving ammo back is cool but it should refill the mag

[kind veldt]

and requires you to be completely dry of ammo so you WILL be waiting for 45s with no bonus

the problem with that is crossbow having the less ammo of them all and magazine size of 1

[opal radish]

also minigun is difficult to use cause you have to like

[balmy cedar]

It’s the hardest one to use as a main weapon because it’s damage mainly comes from the explosive

[kind veldt]

it will be a long time with no bonus and force you have wait to get double ammo back to have to use more to get dry again

[balmy cedar]

Minigun isn’t hard to use it just needs ammo… you have to build it into Chc and be within 25 meters

I have a build for it

[kind veldt]

well i understand they want chest piece and backpac to play differently

[balmy cedar]

You get by with 50% Chc

[kind veldt]

go for chestpiece if you want big all weapon damage and only use spec weapons to start it, but then it contradicts itself by giving you MORE ammo instead of ammo FASTER

and backpac if you want to consistently get more damage

thing is they dont say if you can refresh the effect by getting more skills while it's active

so it's possible it doesnt do that and instead you get a worse situation

so now it only rewards spec weapon usage whne using 4 piece and no chest or backpac but it needs you get kills to get a bad short bonus that is meant to get kills

i'm just so fucking mad

unless they have the greatest dance move ot show why going 3 steps backwards is a good idea

[timber hatch]

At this point we just have to see how it plays when it's released since we can't really trust the descriptions from these devs to be accurate

[opal radish]

yeah i am waiting for foam/emp ammo😂 😂

[kind veldt]

You forgot blind and confuse also

[misty vapor]

can't wait to see a spinning flame turret at the DZ extraction rope

[real creek]

Flame turret go brrrrrrrr

[balmy cedar]

Agreed… the description about the 2 bonuses - reload and sig weapon damage not being active at the same time seems impractical

Only works for the grenade launcher / tech launcher tbf

[real creek]

What do you mean not being active at the same time?

[balmy cedar]

They can’t both be active at the same time

[timber hatch]

I find it hilarious they made a gearset that revolves around one of the worst skills in the game

[balmy cedar]

The sig weapon buff needs to deplete before the reload bonus activated

You have to wait 5 seconds to get it

[real creek]

I think you are reading that wrong.

The "bonuses do not stack" part probably refers to kills so 3 kills wont stack it.

[balmy cedar]

Getting a Signature Weapon kill gives +15% Signature Weapon Damage for 5s and +25% Reload Speed for the next reload of the weapon (the bonuses do not stack)

[balmy cedar]

That’s a separate buff no?

That’s the backpack buff

Not the main talent buff

[kind veldt]

the talent is saying that you wont get 30% sig damage and 50% reload speed if you get two kills

my issue is that you cant know if you can refresh the talent because game is just that bad

[balmy cedar]

I’m assuming it will just do as it does now, killing an enemy refresh the talent

[kind veldt]

and even then 5s is very short to aim and shoot depending on the weapon

[real creek]

I would assume it does but you know how it goes.

[kind veldt]

right now you dont need kills you only need hits

[frozen meadow]

skill issue3

[kind veldt]

because when previously it NEEDED kills it was so bad that they had to rework

[balmy cedar]

Wym bad

The weapons were op or underpowered?

[kind veldt]

they are unreliable to get kills and some are more utility such as crossbow

[opal radish]

skill issue ♾️

[kind veldt]

because plot twist scalling and multiple difficulties made them unreliable

[balmy cedar]

That’s why I find the 2nd part of tardigrade to be obselete

[frozen meadow]

wait are we whining bout tots or

[opal radish]

yeah tots whining

[frozen meadow]

o no my tip of the shpeer my lifeis ruined

[real creek]

Eevee wont be happy unless elmo get a nerf.

[frozen meadow]

the only thing im happy about is that the devs took my ideas lol

[opal radish]

yeah

[opal radish]

you are a dev

[frozen meadow]

never said that

[real creek]

What ideas?

[frozen meadow]

#td2-general-chat message

the idea of changing an item that gives fire to let it give enemies a debuff and to make it more aoe

[timber hatch]

That's more unbalanced than it was before the nerf lol

[opal radish]

lol

[real creek]

I'm not sure how that message relates to the devs taking your ideas tho.

[frozen meadow]

the new gearset

[kind veldt]

it's just firecrest 2.0

[hybrid ore]

Exactly, that is perfect.

[opal radish]

yeah

they took the worst gearset out of div1

[hybrid ore]

Boo.

Boo this flower.

[frozen meadow]

its not really firecrest

i feel like they took my ideas and mixed it with firecrest along with just generically wanting to buff the incinerator turret

all we need now is a gearset that buffs the deflector shield

[kind veldt]

firecrest is a gear set about supper buffing the flame turret adn thats the point of this set

[frozen meadow]

it wasnt really about the flame turret for the most part

[real creek]

I just don't see the relation between the message you posted and the new gear set.

[frozen meadow]

you dont have to, but i do

yo devs if u readin this hmu

[opal radish]

eever will delete your save from the servers just like she kicked all the members of the CD group

[frozen meadow]

those people deserved it

[real creek]

I guess if it can't be explained it's just religion right? New Eevee religion inbound?

[opal radish]

eevee gearset

[frozen meadow]

i had people in game who thought i was a dev and it was weird as hell

[opal radish]

that was my doing 😂 😂

[frozen meadow]

people being like weirdly friendly to me in cd

they were like "whats up"

[real creek]

I only ever get called a hacker if anything.

[frozen meadow]

im like mate we have literally never met even one who are you

[opal radish]

lol next level

[frozen meadow]

but yeah people went vip and i said go vip and ill kick
i dont lie

[opal radish]

and we had short range buff

[frozen meadow]

so the group ended right then and there

[opal radish]

and everything was going well those idiots went to vip

[frozen meadow]

i gave like five warnings

[opal radish]

yeah

[frozen meadow]

i even kicked one person to see if theyd change their mind and they didnt