td2-build-advice

[gentle lichen]

You know that would be used in esc if that was the case 😭

[shy willow]

Is it not?😔

Imagine the glory of people unironically using true patriot and actually racking up kills

Ehh even then the range is small, rip

[hazy steeple]

Don't tease the poor TP users like that Naval.

pretending like that gearset has a use.

[shy willow]

Quick, everybody pretend future initiative doesn't exist

[heady terrace]

Me running towards the downed teammate with nothing but birdies and quickstep (I was the DPS)

[high dagger]

Should I use Coyote or Tinkerer with Frenzy for escals? Just trying to make do with what I have

[vernal dagger]

depends on what you talent on second lmg is and what your chc and chd are

[high dagger]

proto LMG is Optimist, the second is Frenzy. my chc and chd hovers around 54/143 with Coyote, and 59.9/130 with Tinkerer

[vernal dagger]

i would say tinkerer then bc im a selfish player but if you wanna also buff team then cyotes is good

i want my dmg to be good and expect everyone else to at least be able to carry their own

[high dagger]

so personal preference? alright then

[vernal dagger]

pretty much

your stats are already good without a full proto build

[heady terrace]

Me being the medic trying to handle my own but I'm only doing 150k dmg a shot (there was someone the DPS missed and flanked us)

[vernal dagger]

youll be fine just heal yourself

and scream and maybe someone will turn around XD

[vocal robin]

using lexington in a pvp build. whats the best talent for it??

[gentle lichen]

measured optimist

[vocal robin]

yea i was thinking the same. you think measured is better overall?

[gentle lichen]

on a more red oriented build yeah

[vocal robin]

my pvp build is 3 yellow 3 red. CS armour and ninja bike backpack

[gentle lichen]

then capacitor is way better

have a lex as secondary with back and forth

[vocal robin]

capacitor is my main weapon, lexington is backupo

[dry gate]

Is lmg better dps than ar on a proto striker overdogs build?

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.

[vernal dagger]

explain please

[subtle bluff]

Content and what targets.

Proto gear nor striker also as nothing to do if a weapon does more damage at base or at the end of it.

The weapon compliments, the build not the other way around

[vernal dagger]

right i get that

[subtle bluff]

With the context of your question. It’s a yes and no answer due not enough context.

[obtuse shoal]

never understood pvp... just get on COD

[iron flame]

For escalation striker whats the attribute you want on MK46/M249 B

[subtle bluff]

Weapons is always DTTooC, LMGs 99% of the time it’s CHC.

[iron flame]

Would that go for all LMG's to get CHC

[subtle bluff]

….
What did I type out?

[iron flame]

How would you build out the attatchements, All CHC and CHD mag? or even the gunner +50 mag?

[subtle bluff]

Normally it’s all CHC. The mag depends on which LMG.

[lost wren]

i think most use gunner mag but gr9 doesn't

[subtle bluff]

For GR9 you don’t really need a bigger mag but also depends on the build and talent you’re using.

[dry gate]

Context would be t5+ escalation or end game raids

[subtle bluff]

+T5 Escalation is different everything else.

+T5 has it’s own meta everything else is kind of almost w/e

[dry gate]

Ok….. let’s say JTC T5…

And JTC t10

[subtle bluff]

Then yes to a degree.

Unless you’re asking another question.

[summer flax]

did i gett stronger or did Heroic become easier. idk

spent 3 hours rerunning the same mission and i didnt get a decent esca drop. ill hoard them and pray we can change talents in the future man

warframe has a pity system. it would be nice to have one in the division 2 but wishful thinking

[keen plank]

Yo bros. I got the m249B with frenzy should I put the fire rate mag or something else?

Im using TS btw

[smoky latch]

+50 rounds

High RoF LMGs are kinda meh for TS IMO

[junior lagoon]

is "ranger" a good talent for high level escalations?

[normal shadow]

It is, yes.

[smoky latch]

Too situational

Frenzy for LMGs

[normal shadow]

Oh yeah, depends on the gun. I use Ranger on Lexington, but otherwise would reconsider.

[junior lagoon]

so m46 or m249 with frenzy and that is it for t6 and above?

[smoky latch]

You need a LMG for decent damage on high tiers

[ocean wyvern]

Thoughts on Pakhan for TS?

[summer flax]

ah no. i dont think i will

i think we might need a mod. not sure tho

[ocean wyvern]

it'll get taken care of, just ignore it

[tulip gulch]

I rocked it when I was getting my profiency up. I liked it

ROF helps a lot when trying to chain kills

[ocean wyvern]

but with TS, too high RoF will limit the usefulness of the effect because you'll be burning through the mag too fast

[summer flax]

ok so the mk46 i got, even tho it has the wrong talent, allowed me to hit over 10 mil in the shooting range. ill keep it until i get better since i barely do escalations

[ocean wyvern]

I mean if it's working for you, by all means keep using it

[lost wren]

what's the meta for t5+ escalation?

[summer flax]

it has everything except a useless talent. ill use it for solo stuffs

im only at expertise 7 lol

[ocean wyvern]

What's the talent on it just out of curiosity

[ocean wyvern]

yeah, that's unfortunate, but the stats are pretty gnarly

That's a nice find

[summer flax]

only one to drop in 3 hours

il keep it for solo stuffs until the RnG God blesses me

the mission its tied to is quite long too.

[smoky latch]

Works, slow firing, lots of ammo per mag I'd you get kills

[exotic talon]

eh, immobilize goes hard on riot foam eclipse

[smoky latch]

Whatever metric that is you should only look at bullet damage

[summer flax]

alrightie

how do u all spend hours rerunning the same exact mission without getting burn out for proto type?

[normal shadow]

Dedication and vigor.

[smoky latch]

How do people still play this game after seven years running the same stuff? It's a looter shooter, get used to it

BUT I also crave more content personally

Imagine the average division gameplay before targeted loot. There you go

[summer flax]

lol i cant imagine that.

[smoky latch]

Sure you can cuz Escalations have that. Daily changing loot is not really targeted loot. Especially if 50% isn't even "the targeted loot" that drops

[summer flax]

oh. cuz i was wondering why this morning i was getting other proto typed items that wasnt LMGs

[smoky latch]

The 50% I mentioned is just an estimated number based on my runs and from people I play with. It's nothing official

But I'm sure you get the point

[summer flax]

yea i get it. maybe theyll make more qol as the months goes by

[smoky latch]

I'll just leave this here

[summer flax]

lol so what was it before?

[lone wadi]

reroll costs are expensive but they feel okayish now

like 1-2 t10 runs for a 25 reroll

[smoky latch]

2-3 more like and the healer usually gets less drops

It's not "okay" because there is no limit, no guarantee you get what you want

My first Hollow Man: 15x25 = 375 cores spent
My second Hollow Man: 10x25 = 250 cores spent
My third Hollow Man: 6x25 = 150 cores spent

Plus the costs leading up to 25 cores, don't remember how much that is

[lone wadi]

okayish mostly referring to the cost and not the reroll system itself

of course its better if theres some sort of pity or guarantee

also why does the healer usually get less drops

[smoky latch]

I'm fine with "endless" re-rolls as long as the costs are reasonable. This is not it

[lone wadi]

i dont notice too much of a difference between dps and healer but maybe thats just low sample size

[smoky latch]

Because this game favors damage in every way. Run five missions as healer on T10 and run five missions as DPS. You will see a clear difference in the amount of drops. Doesn't have to be Escalations, can be any other content as well

[exotic talon]

sweet dreams got me wanting to run bloody knuckles with hf again
but i also love ridgeway's pride too much

[lone wadi]

i never play healer outside of escalations and within escalations i havent noticed enough of a difference yet

[hazy steeple]

A healer is pretty much only for the high tier escalations, anything below Tier 5 and you won't really feel it.

I mean it's nice, but far from "needed". In a group of 4 good players.

[exotic talon]

up to tier 5 id say is roughly equivalent to raid/incursion or regular legendary content
having a healer is good but a decent dps player is even better

[smoky latch]

Escalations can't be compared to any legendary mission

[exotic talon]

ive done every legendary except tidal basin and grinded a bunch of missions up to t3 escal solo
t3 escal was easier, so i think what i just said isnt wrong

[smoky latch]

The NPC composition is different, the AI is different. Don't go by the heavily inflated NPC health and armor

Escalations still use heroic RNG/AI plus the inflated health and modifiers

So, apples and oranges

[exotic talon]

my point is the damage they do vs the health they have
its more useful to just kill the enemies

[smoky latch]

You still can't compare, really

[exotic talon]

do i keep and optimize or keep gambling

[smoky latch]

Depends on how many exo comps you have

[exotic talon]

72

im gonna keep gambling

[hazy steeple]

That's the ideal roll, it's good enough.
Keep it.

Save those exo comps for the Expertise event.

[exotic talon]

ok im not gonna push my luck further

[smoky latch]

I need sunglasses looking at that ss 😄 Yeah good enough to optimize

[exotic talon]

gotta love that hdr crust

[silent storm]

Prototype gear was a bad addition. After I finally cleared 100 spots from my stash I am full again, just with purple stuffs...

[surreal elk]

Is salvo better than ceska holster for escalations?

[smoky latch]

I bet you can dismantle 90% of those items easily

[silent storm]

What is your build?

[surreal elk]

Striker with a hollow man

[silent storm]

But I don't want too

[smoky latch]

No it's not. Ceska > Salvo

This or swap Ceska gloves with Overdogs

[normal shadow]

Contractor's is another option.

[smoky latch]

Sub-optimal option

[silent storm]

You do back over Ceska Vigi?

[normal shadow]

On what basis? It gives LMG damage, and things go through damage doesn't it?

[smoky latch]

I sometimes use Ceska Vigilance if I have a good healer

[smoky latch]

10% SWD only and DtA which isn't as useful in general over more crit

[silent storm]

10% is nothing at Proto levels

Proto literally gives you Contractor's with less than 2 pieces

[normal shadow]

I see. You might have something there.

[smoky latch]

Yes

[normal shadow]

Will try that.

[surreal elk]

hollow man / tinkerer for escalations?

[silent storm]

Does the Alpha work with proto now??

[smoky latch]

Apparently

[silent storm]

I don't know if I would use it in Escalation though

Having a backup weapon is nice

[smoky latch]

Hollow Man provides more benefits/damage to most NPCs

[surreal elk]

i kinda ran out of ammo all the time with tinkerer

[smoky latch]

What tier?

[surreal elk]

higher ones

frenzy goes brr

[smoky latch]

Frenzy for sure but not with Tinkerer

[silent storm]

Have people mathed out the 12% DtE weapon mod on higher level Escalations?

[smoky latch]

Keep in mind DtH is multiplicative

[surreal elk]

why not?

[smoky latch]

The DtH from a prototyped Hollow Man is too good

[silent storm]

Almost 50% DtH on AR

That's pretty huge

[smoky latch]

AR on high tiers not good tho, has to be LMG to be doing good damage

Just as a secondry to finish off targets or last resort

[silent storm]

Finishing off is when they are in health \

And my Huntsman was feeling good in higher levels as well

Though it lacks range to use it outside of Assault GE I think

[magic pilot]

I just swap to Rav

[silent storm]

I don't have Rav yet lol. Haven't done Retal since weeks I need to do it

[magic pilot]

Best way to deal with high tier chungas

[silent storm]

I don't want to do Retal until I figure out the crashing problem

Played this game since before it came out and have never crashed until this season and now I crash like 4 times a mission sometimes

But I have been testing and with Neutral Lighting off I still have yet to crash

Drivers are up to date, reinstalled and file checked, stress tested my RAM .. everything

But I am not turning off my overlays like the dev suggested because that's lazy on their part

PC ain't a console and you want me to turn off Discord and Ubi because you are too lazy to figure it out?

How about you figure out why a game that ran perfectly fine for 7 years now all a sudden has problems

Anyway it has been happening on console as well so

MASSIVE, am I right

Is Red Storm still involved with this?

What happens with a Prototyped Chill Out mask?

I feel like it should get a third mod slot lol

[worn beacon]

Is a veteran alive in chat today I have a question

[stone python]

Whats the T10 refractor build that ppl are talking about?

[fossil crag]

soooo hahah I converted these

Ill reroll till it cost 16protoe cores then scrap them LOL I wanted echo then I converted these and yeah haha

by scrap move to next agent. LOL

[subtle bluff]

When you make them a proto they get maxed rolls sense they're max already.

[subtle bluff]

What ppl?

[fossil crag]

I converted these they didnt get x2 maxed though that was my 1st that got 2 maxed

[subtle bluff]

Have you tried switching dx11 or dx12

[fossil crag]

now heres the real question that was my 5th pair i converted.. wth do I do with the 5th pair like scrap scrap it cause I cont use it else where..?

[smoky latch]

Scrap if your alts already have one

[smoky latch]

Gl getting Echo on it 😬

[fossil crag]

😁

idk if i even want echo. iSilly is kinda onto something LOL

then this hahaha

but I might break my 16 rule

[silent storm]

No I am on DX12 and want to stay there for the time being and then use that as last resort

[subtle bluff]

I'll take a bet at that.

[silent storm]

I honestly think it is a bug between Neutral Lighting and the new skill effects

Because I have turned off Neutral Lighting and haven't crashed since

Which kinda sucks because Neutral Lighting makes this game look so damned good

[smoky latch]

Makes it dark as hell so you can barely see at night; on my system at least

[silent storm]

Yeah and it adds tension to night time fire fights

[subtle bluff]

Lightly only impacts GPU

You should look at your crashlogs

[silent storm]

I sent them all to Ubi

They should look at them and fix it

Been playing with near same settings since 2019 and since this season is the only time I get hard crash to desktop

And my PC is way better now than it was in 2019

[subtle bluff]

and this is what I get for trying to help.

[silent storm]

I did hook my PC to TV once to check it out in HDR and all that jazz on an OLED and honestly if I could afford an OLED 24 inch monitor that is what I would use 100% of the time

[smoky latch]

The risk of burn-ins on an OLED is too big for me. Looks nice tho

[silent storm]

I feel like they mostly solved that issue with the new ones, the problem is 27 inch is basically the smallest I've found and 32 inch is the most common. I have had 27" once and I hated it being that big. My OLED tv is 55 inch and was good when playing on couch but for desk I just like 24 inch the best.

24 inch at 1440p is the best I feel. Atleast for shooters. MMOs give me the Sphere lol

Like FFXVI on my PS5 in the livingroom on my 75" with the surround sound. Perfection

But I can't play shooters on that I get dizzy

Good for TS build?

[smoky latch]

Haha, I'm also happy with my 24". 27" would be the largest I'd personally get

My second screen is 27" but it's not good for gaming

Meh, DtH

[silent storm]

Yeah but for TS Escalation

Maybe I'll keep it for when we can optimize

[fossil crag]

you dont have the mask yet..?

[silent storm]

Hollow Man?

[fossil crag]

yea yea

[silent storm]

Not Proto I am only Exp LV 26

I am getting close though

[fossil crag]

i mean a few peaces are not gonna make or break your build not being protoe.

[silent storm]

Oh I know, I just don't like doing the spamming thing for it and really just have a few builds that I use with now random skills to max them

Problem is most exotics are trash and I never used them so now I either need to spam mat farms to max them or use them . . .

Some named items as well

Like Holsters, most are trash or very specific to builds.

[hybrid leaf]

Advice for my escalation build please 🙏🙏

[silent storm]

What's the stats?

[hybrid leaf]

One sec

[subtle bluff]

In the striker guide has the meta for it

[hybrid leaf]

Gear spreadsheet?

[subtle bluff]

yup

[stone python]

Which one for LMG

[solar sable]

keep amalgam

[silent storm]

Echo but Status is nice

[stone python]

Ok ty

The only time rng gave me someting not that bad tbh

Negev with amalgam and frenzy

[silent storm]

I feel like having Amalgam and Trapper on one piece of gear is a net positive in proto builds

[stone python]

Amalgam and pressure point?

[cinder sail]

I see lots of people only investing in critical hit damage, and almost nothing in critical hit chance, inspected a few and they all had around 30% 35% critical hit chance, you can have lots of damage but if critical hits almost never gets activated?

[onyx sage]

yeah don't follow how they do it, invest in chc too

[cinder sail]

Sitting at 52.5% critical hit chance and 93.1% critical hit damage myself now

[livid sorrel]

It'd take loads of CHD to compensate for low CHC, and even then that's only on paper, in practice if you never crit it's pointless

Unless it's some weirdass Diamondback build

[onyx sage]

on average your crit gives a multiplier equaling 1 + chc * chd, and to optimize this you want to hit a 1:2 ratio for chc:chd unless you have 60% chc

[cinder sail]

What event does drop maxed out gear system mods, targeted loot at gear mods and running countdown?

[onyx sage]

the only way is to farm them continuously. there's no secret to it

[cinder sail]

So with that ratio, that makes it with a critical hit change percentage 52, you want to have 104 critical damage?

[stone python]

this is my Proto Tipping scales build i still dont have proto tipping mask

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[cinder sail]

Nice, do people actually pvp in this game?

[solar sable]

it's pretty dead and a fair amount players who do pvp complain about cheaters

it's better if you ask in #td2-pvp-discussions for better references

[cinder sail]

I was just asking, cause I ran a few dark zones and came across nobody, except for a single person who was looting the dark zone drop it seemed, thought he was a npc enemy so I hit him, after realising it was a player I just ran away

[upper yew]

so I am going with 3pc lengmo overdogs sacrifice fox pestilence build but I dont know which pestilence to choose I've got 5 pests with crit rate, crit dmg, fire rate,health dmg and armor dmg, which does the best job with my build

[solar sable]

always CHC for LMGs

[vernal wing]

Central chat is CRAZY 🫠

[subtle bluff]

99.42% it's CHC for LMG

[magic pilot]

In all my 400+ hours on pc I've never once had global or any type of chat turned on in div 2

[solar sable]

I see what you did there

[upper yew]

ok thanks

[subtle bluff]

It's sometimes funny

[upper yew]

what do I do with my other pestilences ?

[stone python]

Central chat is a wild place trust me

[smoky latch]

Muted for years for good reasons

[worldly talon]

does tinkerer mask work with prototype weponds?

[onyx sage]

basically, but make sure you checked all crit buffs you can get

[upper rover]

Does everyone go mag>hsd for global modifier or just me

[exotic talon]

the three channels i dont have muted are clan, squad and raid (idr what its actually called, its the one for 8 man activities)

[stone python]

this thing delete stuff dang

[subtle bluff]

Yes

[exotic talon]

hsd isnt ideal but max lmg dmg and decent dtoc

[solar sable]

keep it for when recalibration comes someday

[hybrid leaf]

I'm spending a life time worth of resources trying to get all red investor lmao good God

Oof just got CHC CHD skill damage

[smoky latch]

Not worth it

[hybrid leaf]

Hmmm CHC CHD hazpro...

[subtle bluff]

84 different ways to rolls....

[smoky latch]

I think @soft crane tried it and gave up after over 100 attempts?

[soft crane]

600+

[smoky latch]

Holy shit

[soft crane]

And still no full red

[smoky latch]

🫠

[soft crane]

I got full yellow once, full blue thrice.

[hybrid leaf]

I might just keep the next one I get that has both CHC and CHD lol

[soft crane]

So yeah. Investor is a scam.

[hybrid leaf]

Aptly named tbh

[soft crane]

Dont invest in investor.

The chance of getting full red Investor is 0.36% I think. Someone said it before.

[hybrid leaf]

RIP

[soft crane]

Theres nothing but regret. I should've stick to my principle. Anything that has less than 1% chance of getting is an obvious and blatant scam.

Take it from someone who plays anime gacha games for years.

[hybrid leaf]

OK I got CHC CHD explosive resistance haha

[smoky latch]

If you have too many exo comps and are Expertise 30 I'd rather upgrade some gear pieces to prototype

[vernal dagger]

If you get another to drop just use that one with spare materials to reroll it

Maybe you can get your ideal role with that one

[strong cave]

Wait until you guys need to roll all blue. I got mine within 90 comps. Or 2 prototype guns essentially

[hybrid leaf]

Aaaand I have 0 exotic components now

GG tempted to deconstruct this stupid mask hahaha

[strong cave]

I deconstructed my first one going for all blue. Wasted a good 32 into it initially

[hybrid leaf]

Coyotes it is 😂

[junior lagoon]

How do you get your exotics?

[smoky latch]

I have a secret deal with the Snitch

[cinder sail]

What would be the best exotic gear to use on a striker build? I see some people running coyote mask, ninja backpack, overdogs gloves

[vernal dagger]

Coyotes or overdogs

You want backpack talent

[smoky latch]

An exotic isn't mandatory for any build. Overdogs is pretty good tho, NBB is the worst option

[vernal dagger]

Depends on weapon you use tho bc theirs other high end gear you can use instead of exotic that works well

[cinder sail]

Thanks, have to check what the effects are of the coyote mask and overdogs gloves, forgot it

Running elmo, just finally got it yesterday

[vernal dagger]

Coyotes CHC and CHD depending on distance overdogs 30% dmg to lowest tier enemy

And coyotes gives it to your team as well

[cinder sail]

Coyote mask might be the best option in that case? Cause I don’t pay attention when in the middle of the heat which is the lowest enemy, in order to clear them out first before going for the high tier

[smoky latch]

Sir, it's just just 30% DMG, it's an amp

[vernal dagger]

To the lowest tier enemy no?

[smoky latch]

Yus

[vernal dagger]

That’s what I said?

I’m confused on what you’re correcting

[smoky latch]

You make it sound like it's just +30% DMG - it's an amp

A multiplier on its own in the damage calculation

[vernal dagger]

Okay I see what you mean

Yea didn’t explain that well

[junior lagoon]

Multiplication not addition

[smoky latch]

TLDR very stronk

Even on average without sticking to the target hierarchy 100%

[cinder sail]

What about best secondary for striker? I see some saying shotgun, others smg or GR9 lmg, running the last option now along with steady handed

It’s performing pretty good imo

[smoky latch]

The only valid answer is: it depends

Mostly on the activity you run

[slate girder]

I run the lefty shotgun

Builds striker stacks very quickly

[cinder sail]

Mostly for tough enemies, like elmo needs to reload pretty often with a regular magazine, the lmg with steady handed let me reload almost never

Also there is a sound bug with the lmg where it doesn’t make any sound lol

[slate girder]

Anyone have a good solo legendary build or know a link to a good one

[smoky latch]

#td2-general-chat message

[smoky latch]

Sounds bug are rampant lately

[copper latch]

gosh i love this build

gotta get better stats and im ready to go

[soft crane]

Why is there a blue attribute for your chest piece

[copper latch]

because i cant get better equalizer
i grinded for it 2 hours and only got one piece with 2 blues

[soft crane]

oh

keep trying

[copper latch]

it doesnt drop for me lmao

[smoky latch]

Wow, a whole two hours

[junior lagoon]

I used st elmo + gr9 frenzy for a long time.

When you are defending a cp in a solo heroic retal there is no weapon i take over gr9 with frenzy

[heady terrace]

looking at this build for a medic, is it good? is it better than the meta Future Initiative? thoughts

[copper latch]

i was lazy to farm after those hours

[heady terrace]

it seems like a SUPER good medic build

[tulip charm]

Sarcasm?

👀

[smoky latch]

You should crop out players names from those screenshots

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[shy willow]

Not at all😭

[junior lagoon]

Creative though

[heady terrace]

i see...

[tulip gulch]

It’s sooooo good

Got an M249 B proto with frenzy and echo but accuracy with as the 3rd attribute. That essentially replaces the M249 I have with crit chance non proto expertise 12?

[velvet raven]

Hey everyone, is there any calculator or database that show how much materials needed to upgrade a gearpiece from expertise 0 to expertise 30 ?

[smoky latch]

Check pins in #ask-td2-community

[velvet raven]

Found it thank you!

[sudden cloak]

Best build I've seen all night

[heady terrace]

always better than what his guy had

[sudden cloak]

Some days I wish I didn't have eyes

[smoky latch]

Your average Escalations build

[vivid jolt]

Expertise maxing

[subtle bluff]

Proto slop… I hate it

[plush cloak]

Prototype socom mk16 with breadbasket worth keeping?

[solar sable]

3rd att?

[tulip gulch]

For context

[lone wadi]

no

keep what u have

[smoky latch]

Keep!

[tulip gulch]

And just proto the original one when I hit 30 expertise ?

[lone wadi]

yea

[smoky latch]

Either that or you'll get a better one until then

[subtle bluff]

Proto gear/weapon is not better than a proper stated weapon/gear

[tulip gulch]

🙏 TY yall

[flint arch]

normal high-end/gear set pieces with the correct stats/talents will always be better than Prototype gear with the wrong stats/talents

[hybrid leaf]

I finally managed to contribute meaningfully in a T6... Switched my TS build for proto striker (it's a trash build tbh i'm not happy with it lol).

Still 100% prefer TS but I can see why striker is easier to run in T6+... Now what I really need is some proto TS

[tulip gulch]

I’m at 24 expertise I should just raise it to the max

[hybrid leaf]

Proto TS would make me OP as heck

also on my list of things to get is proto equalizer and proto contractor's gloves lel

[subtle bluff]

I need to do the DPS chart for TS vs Striker then Proto version of it.

I’m ready to break some hearts

[hybrid leaf]

My DPS is only ~11m/sec with striker (full stacks and full obliterate proc)

[solar sable]

dont use the range dps meter as a measurement tool

[subtle bluff]

On +T6 Striker Chest

[hybrid leaf]

Compared to 19-20m/sec with TS (again, full stacks and with frenzy reload from empty)

Again 100% acknowledge the time it takes to get to that point ^

[solar sable]

that's not accurate btw

[hybrid leaf]

Ooh is there a better way I could be measuring my builds?

[solar sable]

math

[subtle bluff]

That range DPS counter just doens’t work well.
When I can use different weapons and still get it to count to the same is dumb.

[flint arch]

it's better to wait for the next proficiency surge. the expertise grind is extremely painful even with the surge

[hybrid leaf]

ew no

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages there’s a calc you can use

[solar sable]

use the most simple calculator there exists in the pinned messages by Raucey

it requires extracting stats from the stats panel

[hybrid leaf]

oo i see

Perhaps when I get home later

[subtle bluff]

Do you think we should add SS to it to help players understand or has no have had issues with it?

[solar sable]

so far no one has complained about using it

it's so simple even a toddler can understand what it asks for

[subtle bluff]

Other than people have been dupe the sheet into itself

[hybrid leaf]

Honestly, regardless of the metrics, I feel I do better with TS <6 and Striker >6

[subtle bluff]

TS is isn’t bad at all.

[solar sable]

use what you feel most comfortable with but meta is meta regardless

[hybrid leaf]

I am extremely unhappy with my striker build tho. Proto everything except backpack >.< that hurts my poor OCD-ridden soul

Also still can't decide on what weapon to use. Elmo feels smoothest but my logical mind tells me I need to use lexington for the talent

also can't decide what exotic. Switching between coyotes and overdogs. Find overdogs a little bit restrictive

I tried to get 3-red investor and all that happened was I deleted 250 exotic components with no result hahahahaha

Sawyers kneepads look cool but blue core 🙁

[shy willow]

You could've easily prototyped like 6 pieces with that many components😭

Investor isn't worth the effort

[hybrid leaf]

If I was EXP30 I absolutely would have

[subtle bluff]

I wish I had some exo to make some other cool builds

[hybrid leaf]

I have quite a cool infinite seeker mines build... I wonder if I could pop a healer hive on it or something

[subtle bluff]

We already have that.

It’s old build. It’s only ok depend on the group and section.

[hybrid leaf]

tbf I think it uses waveform

[subtle bluff]

It shouldn’t..

[hybrid leaf]

I can't remember off the top of my head, it's definitely a holster

[subtle bluff]

Wave wouldn’t stack on the 2nd skill

Wave isn’t good at all. It’s only good as last piece filler.

[hybrid leaf]

Yeah wth that is a terrible idea

I actually do think i've got waveform on that build lmao what would u recommend

[subtle bluff]

PGC/GC or China Light chest, BP Combined Arms and/or BTSU

[hybrid leaf]

(for an escalation specific build, try make myself a healer / support while maintaining the infinite seekers)

I believe i've got the chest with perfect glass cannon

actually nah i've got china light w/ pgc

[subtle bluff]

The issue with build at the higher end it get weird. Due to low Healing.

[hybrid leaf]

I don't think i'll be going beyond T6 in the near future

[subtle bluff]

It’s very weird at the higher end of +T8

[hybrid leaf]

So swap waveform for BTSU... and use healer hive?

[subtle bluff]

Pretty much

[hybrid leaf]

Sounds good

[subtle bluff]

You have to a lot of picking up and dropping hives

[hybrid leaf]

Yes that's how I run the seekers

[subtle bluff]

Use it outside of it a few times to understand the timing

[hybrid leaf]

Throw seekers, soon as I see countdown appear, drop hive. Rinse and repeat.

I've used that build HEAPS so I'm fairly fluid with it

[subtle bluff]

Well once you out clear the internal CD

[ember roost]

Trying to optimize a good Tipping Scales build. Some mention coyotes mask, others Tinkerer. What is the preference for the build?

[subtle bluff]

Overdogs

Anyone that says Coyote mask for TS don’t know how dmg works.

[ember roost]

I have overdogs on my Negotiators build. So that works

[hybrid leaf]

I use tinkerer

[subtle bluff]

Pretty much Equalizer + Overdogs then gearset fit in most builds

God.. I need to compare DPS builds in TS guide

[ember roost]

I thought Tipping Scales Chestpeice was mandatory.

[solar sable]

it never is

[subtle bluff]

VERY wrong for reason showed above

[hybrid leaf]

Must admit I use the TS chest

I'm in the right place to get an education apparently 😛

[subtle bluff]

This is mostly the reason that TS in the end doesn’t have too much flex in it’s build

Other reason Striker kind just wins is it’s very flexible in its build.

[hybrid leaf]

wish I could see my builds while at work via an app or something lol

[subtle bluff]

If I only could learn or find someone help make with making graphs like that but with stacks and stuff it would make our life easier to compare.

[subtle bluff]

It’s been worked on in buildstation. There’s a lot to do to get it done correctly.

[ember roost]

Striker uses the same thing though, equalizer and overdogs right?

[subtle bluff]

Yes same with CoCo and ND

[ember roost]

and its it still St Elmos Engine for the weapon or has that been outclassed?

[subtle bluff]

It depends

[ember roost]

Would you mind clarifying if that is alright?

[near cipher]

for Tipping Scales, im running Tinkerer + turmoil, what lmg perks would be best? frenzy + measured?

[subtle bluff]

Elmo is reliable to be simple

[ember roost]

Is the Memento backpack good for strikers?

Sorry for all the questions. Rather find out from the people here than a bunch of random youtube videos with different stuff.

[shy willow]

It's a good option if you want more survivability

[hazy steeple]

@ember roost Never apologise for asking questions, that's kinda this server's whole deal :p

[ember roost]

I just run Negotiators and am looking into other options since I have so much gear.

[smoky latch]

You could check the first pinned message in here to find a spreadsheet with a lot of valuable info and also build suggestions

[hexed steppe]

nego is really good for a lot of content. you can basically build out striker with the same pieces and be viable as well

[ember roost]

Even with Escalations?

[ember roost]

Oh will do!

[hexed steppe]

basically use nego for the regular stuff, striker for the escalations

striker also better in incursion/raids as well

since its focus is single target damage. nego is solid in general stuff because its great at clearing adds from the transfer

[obtuse shoal]

yeah escalations take to much time.... about to farm to get my expertise up

guess the loot allocation is trash so no one is really playing rn

[smoky latch]

Escalations not the place to farm expertise I'd say

[obtuse shoal]

I know that, I'm just saying I'll rather be expertise level 30 and just proto my gear that way

[hexed steppe]

its a lot of exo that way

but its good to get max expertise

[magic pilot]

its a lot harder to get a ton of exos outside events now

[ember roost]

Seems to be a thing between Overdogs and Exodus gloves for Strikers. Overdogs just seems like its good with everything.

[livid sorrel]

30% amp is hard to beat

[hexed steppe]

we need more creator colab events 🫰

[magic pilot]

exodus is more utility, overdogs is just dmg

[smoky latch]

You'll lack exotic components severely

[hybrid leaf]

Expertise farming is such a grind >.< the expertise surges feel SO good tho. I'm saving all my SHD points etc for that event

[tulip gulch]

I know I’m currently switching in between retals and escalations to keep my sanity. I set a goal for the weekend to be 25 almost 24 now

[hybrid leaf]

Future initiative looks like a good option for escalation healer

[magic pilot]

yea it can be

or eclipse foam in a strong dps team

[hybrid leaf]

I'm not sure I'd be cut out to be pure support haha

but FI with The Setup + scorpio looks like you'd make your team super OP

oh snap I didn't read BTSU properly. I thought it was +15% hive haste full stop, didn't realise it was +15% per skill tier 😮 😮

Would it be foolish to swap birdies quick-fix into a FI healer build? I feel like there's an expectation for healers to be able to revive in escalation

Also hive haste vs hive efficiency?

[smoky latch]

If you run 4pcs FI with The Setup backpack and Alps Summit gloves you can easily hotswap to BTSU or Birdie's when needed

Efficiency mod doesn't affect the Restorer Hive AFAIK

[ember roost]

killer or measured for lexington on strikers?

[solar sable]

killer for solo and measured for everything else including solo*

[ember roost]

Then I will keep it with measured. I only got 2 out of the sakura caches, one with flatline and the other with measured.

Thanks for all of your guys help!

[smoky latch]

Since it comes God rolled you're free to change the talent to whatever you want to

[left bluff]

Hey would anyone try to get the eagle bearer with me?

[smoky latch]

This is the build advice channel, try over in #lfg-playstation

[left bluff]

Alrighty thank you

[solar turret]

What is the best build possible for master difficulty manhunt missions?

[solar sable]

strikers

[solar turret]

Any weapons that you could recommend?

[solar sable]

police m4 if you dont have Lexi

[solar turret]

I have Lex any other weapons

[hybrid leaf]

hotswap would be ideal!

I don't know why I'm excited about the idea of a support build lol

But alas, I am xD with proto skill pieces offering 1.5x skill tiers per piece... I'd only need 4x for 6 tiers, what would I roll on the other 2x primary attributes? Armour isn't any good for escalation generally....

and I can't see weapon damage being too necessary for a healer / support role

[shrewd cedar]

anyone knows best way to unlock BSTU datagloves?

[solar sable]

gloves TL

[smoky latch]

Alternatively While Oak, last boss has a chance to drop them

[shrewd cedar]

which difficulty?

[smoky latch]

Heroic best chances

[gusty scroll]

frenzy/measured + tinkerer
or
frenzy + overdog?
this is with striker chest also

[smoky latch]

Ceska gloves or Overdogs

An alternative is a Ceska backpack with Vigilance

[hybrid leaf]

I've absolutely loved running frenzy + measured

Did someone earlier say the +45% hive efficiency attached to Birdies does NOT apply to restorer hive?

[fleet gulch]

Is there any room for Acosta's backpack in a Refactor build? Only other exotic gear I can think of that could fit is Waveform.

[smoky latch]

I think some ppl here explained to you already that an exotic is not mandatory for a bild not always BiS. And Waveform is never first choice either

[hybrid leaf]

@smoky latch Future initiative backpack grants bonus armour?

[smoky latch]

No

[hybrid leaf]

ah so the 120% would most of the time be useless?

[smoky latch]

It expands the radius of Ground Control proximity repair to 120%, double

Backpack is very much expandable, yes

[solar sable]

the amount of heal %

[fleet gulch]

Yes, that's why I'm just brainstorming. I asked if there's room / if it could fit, not whether it's BiS.

[hybrid leaf]

That isn't how it reads?

Set bonus (4): Talent: Ground Control
Increases you and your allies' total weapon and skill damage by 15% when at full armor.
When you repair an ally, you and all allies within 5m of you are also repaired for 60% of that amount.

Backpack Talent: Strategic Combat Support
Increases Ground Control proximity repair from 60% to 120%.

[smoky latch]

Why would you settle for a sub-par build with Waveform? Acosta's grants overcharge when throwing a grenade, doesn't fit into Refactor and how it works

[hybrid leaf]

Sounds like more healing for all

[smoky latch]

Increases Ground Control proximity repair from 60% to 120%.

When you repair an ally, you and all allies within 5m of you are also repaired for 60% of that amount.

[hybrid leaf]

Yes I see the word proximity. But I also see "repaired for 60% of that amount"

ie backpack = repaired for 120% of that amount

[fleet gulch]

Speaking of Acostas and Future Initiative though, I'm seen some people use both of them together in place of Birdie backpack. Is there a particular reason why?

[smoky latch]

Without backpack: 60%, with backpack 120% proximity repair

It's pretty expandable cuz you're not always next to someone healing yourself

You usually drop your hive and shoot chems

[hybrid leaf]

So if my hive heals team member 1; team member 2 gets 120% of however much team member 1 was healed

[smoky latch]

You can also pop a medkit to trigger that

But not recommended without Everyday Carrier

[hybrid leaf]

Yeah it would only really work if everyone was standing really close together, in which case they'd be within proximity of my hive anyway....

[smoky latch]

Which would lead into a different build

Yeah it's not that useful generally

[hybrid leaf]

Don't think I could justify losing +15% damage for my team haha (the setup)

[smoky latch]

Yup

[smoky latch]

Yes, they have no idea :p

[fleet gulch]

Ah so it's basically pointless, and you'd rather go Birdie always?

[finite basin]

is there a way to use heartbreaker and still do good dmg? i have a striker build now but feel squishy

[hybrid leaf]

Hmmmm so now the question is, do I try out a seeker mine / mediocre healer build.... Or go all-in on healing

[smoky latch]

I'd recommend this. Allows you to hot-swap to either Birdie's or BTSU whenever necessary

If you want more SH use 1pc Hana-U or 1pc Brazos (with Utility core)

[hybrid leaf]

I was gonna ask about hot-swapping. I've never done it. Do you just create two saved builds with those items swapped?

or do u have to do it manually in each item slot

[smoky latch]

No you use the build you have, open inventory, switch the gloves or the backpack, when you're done, switch back

[hybrid leaf]

Would I be able to switch to another saved build in combat?

[smoky latch]

Since you can't change loadouts in combat

[fleet gulch]

What gloves and backpack is that?

[hybrid leaf]

Ah

[smoky latch]

The Setup and Alps Summit gloves both with SH/SR

[hybrid leaf]

Is that reinforcer? I see people using purple chems I think as a means of getting targets out of cover?

[soft crane]

Thoughts?

[smoky latch]

Did you ask about the hive mods earlier?

[smoky latch]

Ready for legendary

[solar sable]

t10 esca is a cakewalk

[soft crane]

invite

[hybrid leaf]

I asked about hive efficiency vs hive haste

But I do ask a lot of questions and I am liable to forget having asked them lmao

[smoky latch]

+5% healing
+10% health
+5% range

[smoky latch]

I remember someone asked earlier but I was not sure who exactly

[fleet gulch]

Hmm I guess that's a pure supporting type then with Setup and Scorpio. This is the build I wanted to copy from a guy I teamed up with for legendary stronghold. Is there anything you'd keep?

[hybrid leaf]

I think I might try lean into the seeker mine build. I played tier 6 as DPS and someone was running that. It was extremely effective at keeping enemies off me and getting them out of cover

I just hope the healing-aspect of the build is enough otherwise a team probably wouldn't be able to justify keeping me in their team lol

[smoky latch]

You should know that Bittersweet is a little annoying to play. You need visibility of your teammates when it gets critical (due to how the rifle talent works) and it's not always practical. The shotgun doesn't make much sense, rather Scorpio but Sweet Dreams is also possible

[hybrid leaf]

Why does hardwired backpack talent description not specify a number.... Backpack Talent: Short Circuit
Decreases Feedback Loop cooldown from 10s to Xs.

[smoky latch]

If your team "sucks" then yeah, you can leave Birdie's equipped. But the 15% amp damage from all sources from The Setup helps your team a lot

[fleet gulch]

I've yet to ever use Bittersweet, does it require a very specific timing to hit your teammate and actually get the heal?

[smoky latch]

I'd rather recommend that rifle in a DPS build than a healer build

Since with a DPS build you have to shoot NPCs, preferably with headshots, anyway

[hybrid leaf]

trying to figure out if hardwired backpack necessary for seeker mine / healer build

[smoky latch]

Yeah, HW backpack should be used but the chest is expandable with that set

Since ppl use it for seeker mine spam preferably you will often see a China Lite chest with GC

[hybrid leaf]

From memory i've got I think china light w/ GC

[subtle bluff]

Glove wise either alp or hana-u works. It really doesn't matter to a degree. Improvised would do the best

[tepid mantle]

which one you guys would use both with frenzy

[subtle bluff]

You kind of want CHC.

More because you're low SHD.

[tepid mantle]

couldn find one sadly should i use normal yellow one or is it still better to use one of thenm

[subtle bluff]

Use a HE one is fine. That's all I've been using.

[tepid mantle]

i got this but it has a big mag

[subtle bluff]

That works. Use RoF in the Mag.

[tepid mantle]

alright thanks m8

[subtle bluff]

Just a reminder on the 3rd reload you need to switch off when empty or you'll lose frenzy.

Or stop shooting for a few counts. To ensure the frenzy is dropped.

[tepid mantle]

oh really good to know thanks

[onyx sage]

i recommend reload mag more than rof mag for gr9

[cinder karma]

Shooting fast is nice but if reload is slow you're not benefiting other than killing quicker and having a bigger mag

[onyx sage]

also 2 reasons for me: gr9's reload is the best one among the frenzy lmgs so might as well capitalize on that, and the rof mag is 5% more when you already have 75%. it's not gonna be that much. it mostly only helps when you have to empty a non-frenzy mag

[subtle bluff]

It's why escalation has its own meta.

[hybrid leaf]

MrChow you always in here. I want you in my fireteam some time

[lament helm]

some1 suggest me a eagle bearer build with screenshot if possible 🙂

[tepid mantle]

can someone recomend a good heartbreaker build ?

[strong cave]

Striker would work fine for eagle bearer. Problem is EB encourages bad positioning

[subtle bluff]

When crossplay comes.

[subtle bluff]

Standard striker.

[subtle bluff]

In the build hub guide for it.

[hybrid leaf]

Wonder how hard it'll be to find a team to farm T5 if I'm running seeker mine healer lmao

Guess it doesn't matter if I host

[solar sable]

Sneaky sneak...

I had just opened Facebook and that's the first post I see

[buoyant perch]

S tier S post

[livid sorrel]

When are we getting proto grenades

[buoyant perch]

proto Tac-50 would be busted

[soft crane]

DAMN IT I GOT CAUGHT SLIPPING.

Now everybody knows my real name...

[solar sable]

dw ill delete

[soft crane]

aw its alright

[solar sable]

I was expecting that same answer

but no, this is a very populated server so...

[limpid charm]

Thinking about doing a Headshot dmg build but had a question:

Umbra Initiative or Hotshot?

Also, does Hotshot only work with Marksman Rifles or does this extend to standard Rifles like the 1886?

[buoyant perch]

Hotshot
It only works with MMR, not rifle.
Breaking point works with both.

[exotic talon]

for an mmr build you want 3pc hotshot, chainkiller, airaldi backpack with vigilance, overdogs

i personally use fox's prayer instead of overdogs but its less damage amp

[limpid charm]

Noted, thank you for the info!

[soft crane]

Is it just me or it does struggle against named enemies?

Heroic diff, full group.

[exotic talon]

you need to stack headhunter and also try to clear out tier 2 and 3 enemies if running overdogs

[soft crane]

Highest I dealt is 50M crit

And still not enough.

[exotic talon]

my build with fox's and shroud does like 57m regular headshot and it oneshots pretty much everything even in groups

[limpid charm]

Does Shroud and Overdogs stack?

[exotic talon]

if theres only one tier of enemies present, yes
i.e. youre fighting a single hunter with no adds present

[exotic talon]

you can see the tier list in both of their talent descriptions
shroud amps damage against the highest tier present, overdogs lowest tier

[soft crane]

Hah, that one part in Bardon Schaeffer manhunt mission.

[limpid charm]

Ooo I missed that detail, tbh I thought they did the same thing lol

[exotic talon]

i obliterated the ruin hunter with that setup lol

got tired of trying regular dps builds so i whipped out the big gun

[soft crane]

Whats the exotic you're using?

[exotic talon]

no exotic armor, exotic weapon is obv shroud

[soft crane]

For your oneshot build?

Lemme see.

[exotic talon]

for reference this is the more widely used version

[timid token]

Hi I’m been using striker st Elmo is there and other build for me for st Elmo

[hybrid leaf]

ok @subtle bluff I'm gonna go home and build your FI healer with the crossbow

T10 here I come hahaha

[soft crane]

@timid token

[timid token]

Hi

[soft crane]

High-end build for assault rifle.

Yes, hi.

[timid token]

Send that build again sry

[soft crane]

Just tap/click the message that I replied to sir.

[timid token]

Ah

[soft crane]

Named chest and holster pieces. Equalizer and Salvo.

[timid token]

I’m not rly sniper person but can I use st Elmo for this

[soft crane]

Yes sir that build is for assault rifle in general.

[timid token]

Ok thx

What the talent on the backpack

[soft crane]

Vigilance

[timid token]

K

[heady terrace]

Im too deep into striker and future initiative to stop now :(

[timid token]

Now I just need to tinker my vigilance

[heady terrace]

Curious why you use that set instead of strikers

[timid token]

Cause I been using striker for months it good and all I just want a different build

[heady terrace]

Fair fair, no need for stacking for consistency

Next question would be the damage

[timid token]

Ye

I’m only lvl 474

So Ill only get around 300 or 400k dmg

[heady terrace]

Without crit?

[timid token]

It with crit I think

[heady terrace]

Zamn 🚬

[timid token]

Idk how do that since I’m new lol

[heady terrace]

YOU'RE LITERALLY HIGHER IN SHD THAN ME BY 100 AND PALYED FOR MONTHS

[timid token]

Oh ?

[timid token]

Keep grinding man wish u luck

[heady terrace]

Your ass ain't new, I've been playing for just under 3 weeks now 💀

[timid token]

🙁

[heady terrace]

🫃

[timid token]

That when I’m using striker

🙂

[heady terrace]

goodness... night n day 🚬

[timid token]

I just don’t get it how I’m not hitting 1 mil dmg

But when I hit striker

It 2 mil dmg

[soft crane]

Forgive me for sharing an old build. I forgot I replaced 2 Providences with a Ceska and Grupo. Practically replacing +13% Headshot Damage with +13% Crit Damage.

[mint axle]

Ok, so answer me something about the first bloom, it does two damage at once, one by the bullet and the other one based on enemy total HP, does this second damage is increased by total wp dmg or weapon application? Or it's just a fixed amount that doesn't change? (It's based on enemy total HP and nothing can interfere with that).

[timid token]

Ah

[soft crane]

1M per hit with max Obliterate stacks.

[timid token]

Lucky u higher lvl than me lol

[soft crane]

Well you havent reach level 1000 SHD so perhaps that explains why you're not hitting 1M.

Gearmods are 1 CHC and 2 CHDs.

[timid token]

K

[timid token]

But still good dmg tho

If I’m not hitting 1 m

[soft crane]

1.3M if headshot

[timid token]

Dam

[soft crane]

@timid token This build has PRECISELY 60% Critical hit Chance.

+30% CHD from weapon mods alone.

[timid token]

Holy stats

[timid token]

Stats are insane

[stone python]

What's this build?

[soft crane]

@stone python High-end AR build.

[stone python]

Now imagine that build prototyped

[keen plank]

Good build my boy. I want to do something like that for heroic open world

[stone python]

CHD will be even higher

[keen plank]

Back before providence, crska and groupo got nerfed. You could get like 190% crit damage. If someone had coyotes it went up to 205% if they had the short range buff

And you still had the 60% crit chance

[vernal dagger]

still pre 1000 shd lvl smh

[timid token]

Can I use bloodsucker

It look like god roll

[limpid charm]

Thank you, just imo since I don't have all or am missing key build exotics I find these builds more fun to make and practical even at a lower SHD lvl so thank you again! Ill have to try this out later.

(Also, how do you have that overlay? Is it a Divison 2 build site?)

[topaz robin]

is corebuild a viable build with memento and skill tier boosting knee pads for running legendary or do i need to swap to like strikers.

[subtle bluff]

Not for legendary

[topaz robin]

I just got vile and i was thinking of swapping the knee pads for it and running the burn applying either sticky launcher or seeker mine

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages. On the bottom of them.

[topaz robin]

what is considered the "meta' gearset. mostly was running core strength cause it was the only set I had that gave me enough armor to not get 2 shot haha

[shy willow]

Striker

[topaz robin]

thanks

[vernal dagger]

youll still get 2 shot with strikers

but you will put out great damage

[topaz robin]

so what im hearing is swap the armors core to armor and hope for the best

and I am not seeing it so it may not be possible but can you not change the talent and the core stats of dropped prototype gear?

[vernal dagger]

if you really have that much trouble surviving then yes like 2 of them armor core

but late game build for strikers is full red chd and chc

[topaz robin]

if i play smart I dont have too much trouble but I have a bad habit of pushing up forgetting another wave of enemies is going to spawn and then getting pinched. so user error really

[vernal dagger]

if you really have that much trouble then you can also still go full red core and do exodus gloves

when armor breaks drops a smoke screen and repairs armor

won't give you as much damage as something like overdogs or coyotes mask but still good dmg with some survivability

[topaz robin]

ill look into that thanks

[subtle bluff]

You can see in the video above I'm in all reds. No issues.

It's not just the build.

[topaz robin]

its a skill issue on my part mostly probably

[dawn perch]

I am waiting for them to release a escalation mod that punishes you for running full red core lmao. Theh already punish you for running status effect.

[topaz robin]

if only I could get the pestilence that a buddy of mine got and the raids would be easy

[vernal dagger]

big horn regen build meta for escal XD

or heartbreaker

[topaz robin]

ive been running stronghold and the summit with assault rifle as the targeted loot and the bighorn does not want to drop at all

[heady terrace]

fellow bighorn enthusiast 🤝

[heady terrace]

run black tusk retaliations, get the blueprint, craft it

[flint arch]

bighorn only drops from named leggo enemies, and also is unaffected by TL
you can alternatively craft it from bt retals

[vernal dagger]

are you on legendary?

[vernal dagger]

only for pvp or dz

[topaz robin]

that would explain why it hasnt dropped i run it on hard or challenging

[heady terrace]

i like the bighorn in general :)

[vernal dagger]

it's fun just doesn't do as well as many other guns in pve

[heady terrace]

true, its always the st elmos and lexington that people use

[vernal dagger]

i still prefer eb my favorite ar

[heady terrace]

hmm?

[vernal dagger]

eagle bearer

[heady terrace]

whys that?

[hazy geode]

Guys for tipping scales builds does it matter that you have high critical damage because it gives you like 350% anyway?

[vernal dagger]

the look the feel and the talent allows me to play agressivve in situations you couldn't with other weapons

[hazy geode]

Would it not be better to go for critical hit chance

[urban latch]

You absolutely want to be at 60% CHC with tipping scales

[hazy geode]

Nemesis

Would be better

Or more consistent I should say

[hazy geode]

So focus on chc

[hazy geode]

Over chd if I don’t got maxed pieces

[timid token]

Build is completed

[dawn perch]

Honestly i kind of wish that instead of just gaining immunity or make status irrelevant. They also make gain 10% damage taken debuff (only one can be applied) in addition to immnuity to give to status players. Also got throw a bone to blue core builds.

[vernal dagger]

if they do add a modifier for full red core tho how are we supposed to kill enemies and clear t10 within the allotted time

[flint arch]

it's a bridge that will be crossed when they add new mutators

[livid sorrel]

yellow striker capacitor

[flint arch]

never cook again

[soft crane]

awesome

Wait nah whats that talent on your backpack?

[flint arch]

bloodsucker

[dusky jetty]

between these two gear shifts, which is better for a strikers build?

left: gain +2 crit dmg mods on build (cause crit chance attr)
right: gain +3.1% WPN DMG + 1% dtoc

[vernal dagger]

first i think bc of chc

[dusky jetty]

cool, was thinking the same but wanted to ask, cause damage 😆

thanks

[exotic talon]

oh def i just wanted to show the overdogs variant

[timid token]

Bloodsucker lol

[hallow arch]

Any builds for the Incursion?

[versed summit]

for incursion you should just bring a chest striker and optionally an FI healer. both guides are in the pinned spreadsheet

[hallow arch]

Interesting...

So the equalizer is weaker in that scenario then?

[versed summit]

it can be better for turrets and tanker, but the chest is very easy to stack for Wright and Lovebirds, and the DPS is very valuable.

[hybrid leaf]

@subtle bluff well I got a team thru T10 as my first test of the build haha

When should I be overcharging?

[hallow arch]

I must be blind as hell 'cus I can't find it-

[versed summit]

the first message in this channels pins?

[hallow arch]

I must be blind and stupid then

[versed summit]

but did you find it

[hallow arch]

I'm about to lol

Ok I actually found it

and there's a build for the bighorn too, sweet!

[hybrid leaf]

Guys in what situations (BTSU, future initiative healer) should I overcharge during escalation?

Literally just to reset my teams skills? Usually revive rhives?

[vernal wing]

That’s all it’s for is to reset or boost their skills. Just tell them so they know to use them.

[gentle lichen]

bro

[hybrid leaf]

OK cool. When I break my hive does it reset hive charges to 0 or the opposite

[vernal wing]

It takes all your charges to 0, but overcharge makes it come back in like 10 seconds

[hybrid leaf]

Kk lovely ty

[dawn perch]

is there better set for buffing or we kind of just going run strikeer?

also is beacon a good buffing unique? or should use black listers?

[vernal wing]

Beacon is kind of bad for a shotgun build since you want to be close and your team probably wants to play from cover.

[dawn perch]

sheriff says otherwise though, but black listers are also a option hmmm

you make a good point for the AA-12 i am using too

[vernal wing]

Maybe switch the AA12 for a frenzy LMG or switch the beacon for an exotic that lets you do more damage like Memento or Overdogs

[dawn perch]

i mean true. the concept of this build is more to be buffing dps from rest of the team as Ongoing directive is not exactly working right now in escalation. So i was trying make buffer build but there could an argument that pure dps is what is needed

anyways replaced the aa12 for lmg then

the other buffer in the game is FI and true patriot. Fi is pure healer and True patriot is a maybe but I also need to dps as well

[livid sorrel]

honestly you should just go all in on either dps or support

[timid fiber]

Is the TS build listed in the spreadsheet basically it? I know with Striker there is some variety when it comes to different tiers of escalation, but I’m just seeing the one build with Equalizer and Overdogs on the doc.

[dawn perch]

i already have those build made. Its more of buffer concept that I was trying theorycraft with it being able to do some dps. But escalation mode kind of just ruin build diviersity in general. Its just striker or FI or NOTHING.

[livid sorrel]

yeah honestly

[timid fiber]

Assumption would be since it looks like striker around T5 swap in the chest piece for Equalizer and throw other things in like Ceska holster, Fox Prayer, Hollowman, etc

[livid sorrel]

unfortunately TS chest is much harder to maintain than striker chest

[timid fiber]

I figured that since the set is different it may or may not have some changes depending on tier level.

If it’s just one bread and butter then that’s not bad.

[lost wren]

and striker chest is already difficult to maintain for most gameplay, can only imagine how bad TS chest is

[radiant dirge]

PvP Sherif glass , I’m looking for suggestion to increase the damage in any suggested way possible, only real condition is to keep it glass and keep spot on Holster

[gentle lichen]

Nah

What's the point of spot on if sheriff already has max accuracy

[radiant dirge]

It bring in the spread even more essentially into a sniper , still at range the spread can struggle

[gentle lichen]

You need to be stationary AND hold your aim a little to get tightest spread
Just popshot at that point

[strong cave]

or better yet just regulus at that point

[vernal dagger]

why when i run 2 lmg with tinkerer frenzy and measured does my dmg output less than 1 lmg with striker same gear?

it seems like only the measured talent is proc'ing and not the frenzy

[livid sorrel]

you're using the primary?

[vernal dagger]

yes

using m249 primary with frenzy and second random lmg with measured

[vocal robin]

when using a FI healing build with Scorpio, is opportunistic the best trait for the back pack? Also, is the Scorpio build meta for heal builds or do i need to switch?

[hybrid pelican]

Imo yeah. Use The setup backpack and yellow gloves (alps, monkey etc) and hotswap to birdies/btsu as needed. Just my 2 cents

[vernal wing]

The best thing if you aren’t playing DPS or Heals is probably either
1.) Measured Assembly on missions with lots of drones etc
2.) Status effects focused on crowd control (Scorpio/Opportunistic, Eclipse Protocol/Just a Striker DPS with bluescreen)

[subtle bluff]

Lol buff concept is FI....

[noble dirge]

Planning to prototype Stock Broker now that my Striker set is nearing completion. What talent should I use?

Currently using Pummel.

[subtle bluff]

Back N Forth.

[noble dirge]

But I'm using it on Lexington already?

[subtle bluff]

Tbh kind of point to proto stack broker

[noble dirge]

In that case, what should I use for Lex?

[subtle bluff]

Here's the question, what/why are using stack broker for?

[noble dirge]

Fast Striker stacks, add control

[subtle bluff]

Ad?

[subtle bluff]

The normal 2.

[noble dirge]

Like, red and purple enemies

[noble dirge]

So, Measured and Killer?

[subtle bluff]

"ads" if you want do meanful dmg you don't want stack broker, a acs12 or lefty will do better and doing both.

[noble dirge]

Alright, Measured for Lex and BnF for Stock

[exotic talon]

stack broker is more for stack building (heh)

[noble dirge]

My dyslexic ass mistook the A for an O lol

[exotic talon]

yeah i think the "stack" part is an intentional pun, its an acs12 veteran reward

[noble dirge]

wished we got more though

[subtle bluff]

We have it all

[noble dirge]

Not comfortable with a single copy despite being not scrappable

[subtle bluff]

I only have one.

[noble dirge]

Would like backups in case bad things happen

[subtle bluff]

Only use it for like 2 things.

[subtle bluff]

Not use acs12..

[exotic talon]

honestly i just use it as a secondary on my hf loadout to pull out when an enemy makes me particularly mad, so i can mag dump them

[noble dirge]

???

[exotic talon]

its usually snipers

[subtle bluff]

Standard striker doesn't use acs12

[noble dirge]

I just use a crossbow lol

[noble dirge]

Well, my build isn't standard. This is just for casual stuff.

For serious stuff, I'd use St Elmo and Overdogs as usual

[subtle bluff]

Only time I suggest acs12 is used is normal with strike chest.

[exotic talon]

my hf spec is firewall for the shield and explosive armor

[tepid mantle]

is there a tanky ts build for solo escalation ?

[solar sable]

tanky and Escalations don't go together

enemies are bullet sponges, are you really willing to shoot water projectiles to them?

[fair ermine]

so whats the current build meta for a t10 escalation?

[solar sable]

4pc Strikers, Hollow Man and Ceska Gloves/Overdogs

[fair ermine]

o... i have most of that.. cool

[solar sable]

Other variants have Ceska Bag w/Vigi

[fair ermine]

so t10 is pretty much just a dps brawl then?

[solar sable]

dps and a kwtd check

[fair ermine]

kwtd?

[solar sable]

Know What to do

[fair ermine]

gotcha

that "building static charge" mechanic is nuts

so 58% CHC, then focus on CHD?

[solar sable]

if you don't have Proto pieces, go with +55% CHC and +110% CHD

when you get proto, your CHC will be on 60% and CHD around 150-170%-ish

[fair ermine]

yeah, working on that one, igot almost a whole proto strike build, but it all came with headshot instead of chc/chd

thanks for the intel!

[subtle bluff]

Proto striker isn't important. Being more knowledgeable and good gameplay will have higher impact for +T8

[lost wren]

i'm more curious about what builds you actually bring to t5+ escalation
(really just what striker variant because yk )

[subtle bluff]

Me?

Or in general?

[lost wren]

general, but if you're running something unique i'm interested as well

[dusky jetty]

testing out tinkerer with an acs w/ brazen and a spas-12 with close and personal, doesn't seem to be triggering the 2nd talent on the primary (neither are named ones) - any ideas?
*it may just be visual idk, just not seeing the symbol

[subtle bluff]

It's in the striker guide.

[subtle bluff]

Would need a clip to help troubleshoot

[smoky latch]

Tinkerer is always f'd lol

[upper yew]

what would you guys say the best lmg to use in heroic pve rn ?

like overall

[smoky latch]

Error 404

[spiral elm]

is the only set for rifle benefits breaking point or am i just blind?

[smoky latch]

Maybe you're a little blind

[junior lagoon]

Any lmg would do heroic missions. Iron lung is pretty good as an all round weapon

[vernal dagger]

Mine is doing similar to my lmg’s frenzy and measured but only measured talent proc but not frenzy even tho my primary talent is frenzy

[vernal dagger]

M249 with frenzy melts any content

[smoky latch]

I'd agree that Iron Lung overall in heroic is goated

[subtle bluff]

I use it in leggo and master

[subtle bluff]

Interesting.... I'll have to test when I get home. They may have bugged something.

[vernal dagger]

I was using m249 replica and some random negev with measured

[smoky latch]

I just said heroic cuz they asked for heroic. It's a great weapon overall, ya

[vernal dagger]

Tried firing range with same gear just swapped out the second weapon and dmg was the same

[smoky latch]

This is one of my allrounder builds

[vernal dagger]

What’s the chest?

[smoky latch]

Petrov

[vernal dagger]

What’s that do ion remember

[lost wren]

ah so as i expected
too bad the reload speed buff from this weekend screws over frenzy timing lol

[smoky latch]

+10% LMG DMG

[subtle bluff]

Ya I just switch to my secondary a lot.

I just did a duo T8 last night the last 1/2 other guy went mortar.

I really need to exp/proto my LMG......

[lost wren]

i'm not expertise 30 so i'll have to suffer with rng

lovely game this is, surely

[smoky latch]

Prototype'ing your gear is expensive anyway, might as well farm

[tepid mantle]

whats better/easier for solo escalation TS with a proto lmg with frenzy or using the bluescreen for crowd controll but im not sure if the dmg loss is too big

[smoky latch]

4pc Striker's, Equalizer and Overdogs/Ceska gloves up to T6

[lost wren]

beyond t6 is then the escalation build in hub i assume

[vernal dagger]

Lmg paired with that with frenzy and you’re good

[lost wren]

hollow man, ovd, 4 pc striker

[smoky latch]

I think they're both part of the guide

[lost wren]

ye they both are

right now i'm using pgc + gift striker

[vernal dagger]

Solo higher than t6 you’ll probably lose more coins than you gain

[smoky latch]

Works too, sure

[lost wren]

even with decoy solo is just misery for me

[vernal dagger]

It’s a different playstyle completely

[smoky latch]

Well it's a group activity mostly. What's the point in solo'ing Escalations?

[vernal dagger]

You have no teammates to draw agro or be bullet sponges

[tepid mantle]

yeah i dont have striker proto only TS

[smoky latch]

You don't need proto gear

[tepid mantle]

so i need to use TS

[lost wren]

i don't have any protos

[vernal dagger]

You don’t need proto on striker

[tepid mantle]

really its that strong ?

[vernal dagger]

Works good normal mine is proto but stats really aren’t much diff from base optimized striker

[tepid mantle]

with striker normal gear can i clear like t3+ solo ?

[vernal dagger]

4pc Striker equalizer overdogs
TS takes a while to stack and stacks decay fast more consistent dmg from striker and easier to stack/ keep stacked

[vernal dagger]

Yes

[lost wren]

all roads lead to striker

[tepid mantle]

alright thanks guys

[lost wren]

though i can't imagine non proto striker will scale all the way to t10

[vernal dagger]

It can you won’t be as effective as the guy next to you with full proto

[vernal dagger]

Just play smart hold hands and teamshot

[lost wren]

gotcha

[vernal dagger]

You can still hit 2 mil plus per shot with base striker set and OD or hollow man just need a gun with dmg to heath or dtoc

[lost wren]

makes sense

i'll use eq ovd or pgc + gift until t6

[vernal dagger]

I’ll probably always use strikers just way too solid and easy to get value from as well as OD or coyotes

[lost wren]

like i said
all roads lead to striker

[vernal dagger]

Yup 🤣

[fair bramble]

hello people, returning agent here, where i can farm those new purple items?

[vernal dagger]

In escalation

[tepid mantle]

equalizer always better then striker chest ?

[vernal dagger]

No only when enemies are bullet sponges otherwise you get more value out of equalizer

[buoyant perch]

If you can maintain 200 stacks - striker chest is better
If not, equalizer

[fair bramble]

how do i unlock it? max is still heroic/legendary for me

[vernal dagger]

Yea sorry I explained that backwards

[vernal dagger]

It’s a mode you can select from base of operations next to countdown vendor

[fair bramble]

tnx man

[vernal dagger]

No problem

[stone python]

Is Proto HB wroth farming?

[runic lava]

If I'm doing a Pestilence build, would Memento be a better BP or NinjaBike messenger bag?

Memento gets the whole trophy thing, but I'm wondering if using NB to get a few nice LMG gear bonuses would be better.