td2-build-advice

[dawn perch]

Huh where you get that thing? what does it do

[rain fox]

Your mask gives you 30% chd if your happy with that keep it

[balmy geyser]

Yea I would but my Equalizer isn't god rolled, otherwise I would. This is just the next best thing

[rain fox]

@dawn perch per red attribute 10% chd, per blue 1% regen, per yellow 15% skill efficiency

[rain fox]

@balmy geyser countdown on challenging set targeted loot to unit alloys you will get one within 3 runs

Ye 5% skill efficiency I was thinking of core strength

[dawn perch]

Where heck you get this thing?

[rain fox]

Only good part on this mask is the regen that's the best stat

[short verge]

omfg this thing teases me with having one less red attribute every time

[rain fox]

Can't remember

Think we all got one when new update came check your stash maybe

Oh it's from the journey rewards

Complete your journey in events timeline

[balmy geyser]

Fun story, I was being dumb dumb and had it on a +1 skill in core.

Then they shamed me in chat.. (kinda rightfully so)

Although it only took me less than 10 rolls to get a 3 red godroll attributes.

So I spent another 13 Exotic component and almost got a full god roll

[rain fox]

Nice I do think the 1% regen is best tho as you can't get 3% rego from any other 1 piece

[balmy geyser]

Yea, I might get another full blue one

[rain fox]

Only thing that compares is the chest piece

Ridgeway pride

[balmy geyser]

speaking of that one, should I keep this as is? Or reroll the blue?

[rain fox]

And even then you need a ongoing directive build for Ridgeway pride to work well and you need to be within 15 metres

[smoky latch]

It has static attributes

[balmy geyser]

Maybe you cant.. actually. im stoopid again'

[rain fox]

Ye that's good

[balmy geyser]

just realized. Investor messed me up

[rain fox]

But you can get them maxed so you don't wasted materials optimizing

[balmy geyser]

Its a cool exotic. I just dont like being that close and personal haha

[rain fox]

You can re roll it at bench till your happy with it

Ye reasonable it's why I don't use

[dawn perch]

What you lookong for? @balmy geyser

[balmy geyser]

Or.. and hear me out.. I just use The Sacrifice.. as im already a glass cannon..

[rain fox]

Yes 1 of the best pieces pair it with over dogs your good

[balmy geyser]

Well, next thing I want is a god rolled Equalizer.. But I havent bothered grinding countdown yet.

Ive been too busy slamming my head in escalations lately

[rain fox]

Use a decoy if you take the sacrifice

[balmy geyser]

I lowkey dont trust decoys haha

[rain fox]

@balmy geyser you could wait until escalation is unit alloy targeted loot and get a prot if your lucky

[autumn rock]

Can soemone give me advice ? Im running solo in challenging difficulty

[obtuse shoal]

Yo I swear I’m losing it!!!! You’re telling me there isn’t a strikers mask with maxed weapon damage ?????!

[rain fox]

Why spotter

[balmy geyser]

Ofc there is

[rain fox]

If you aren't using the linked lazer pointer it don't work well

Use head hunter

[obtuse shoal]

I know it lol but I keep getting 14.6…. Like you can’t give me that .4%??

[dawn perch]

The backpack shoukd be red core and you shoukd uping your crit chance or damage.

[livid sorrel]

Can't you just optimize it

[balmy geyser]

RNGesus out here.. molesting all of us. Trust me.

[rain fox]

Also the backpack is not giving you anything unless you apply a status and pulse is not a status

[autumn rock]

But what about health?

[weak quail]

The blue is a gear mod you can freely unequip and change

[obtuse shoal]

Nope because it’ll still give me 14.6 weapon damage

That attribute slot can’t be maxed

[livid sorrel]

Gotta look for a 15% to extract then

[obtuse shoal]

I have one

[balmy geyser]

Yea ignore me, I just rerolled investor and assumed you could reroll the blue on that chest too.. but it's obviously static stats

[rain fox]

If you use head hunter on your chest and vigilance on your bag you will destroy enemies

[obtuse shoal]

I think… hold on let me check

[rain fox]

Use Shield to keep vigilance up

[dawn perch]

I was asking what is the need you need to fill? More damage. More recovery? More bling?

[balmy geyser]

So you just wanna find ANY mask with max wep dmg that is haha

[obtuse shoal]

Guess what… lmao

[balmy geyser]

Always more damage..

Enemies cant kill you if they're already dead

[livid sorrel]

flatline and spotter are useless if you can't pulse, use headhunter chest and vigilance backpack

[obtuse shoal]

I had it the whole time in my library lmao smh

[rain fox]

I've heard you can pulse with the drone from sharpshooter never tested it tho

[balmy geyser]

The tech attachment is far superior

[rain fox]

What's that

[dawn perch]

Does anyone have that doc about why you run all red cores for txfw to read?

[rain fox]

Oh ye link pointer

[livid sorrel]

it's in the sheet

[balmy geyser]

yas

[rain fox]

This is why I run all red

If its dead. It can't shoot back

[balmy geyser]

Exactly haha

Doesnt matter that im as durable as a wet tissue

[rain fox]

I have nothing that keeps me from going down but I kill so fast on normal content Its like I was never there

[subtle bluff]

In the Pinned Messages there's a Stater Guide start there get your library and stuff and then afterwards come back

[rain fox]

Play smart peek corners use decoy or shield

[dawn perch]

Scarfice is not going to lie just better if you are glass anyways. You are also not crazy lmao.

[rain fox]

And use cover

[autumn rock]

thank you

[dawn perch]

Me who face tanks the damage anyways failing to avoid it lmao.

[balmy geyser]

I was actually thinking.. If you have a really high rpm weapon.. And if you're in a glass cannon build.. Wouldnt this, arguably be your absolute best "defense"?

[rain fox]

If your a tank that's fine

I had a tank build that could face tank master difficulty on tidal

Revive hive is needed 100%

[dawn perch]

I am not. I just bad and have massive adduction nimble hoslter and exodus gloves to compensate.

[onyx sage]

eh it's nice to have but not needed

[rain fox]

Do you play as a tank because I have a solid build if you do

If solo you need a hive if group your friends are your hive lol

[balmy geyser]

Yea, but your reviver hive upkeep would be way better with that augment

[balmy geyser]

My mate is painfully aware of this

[rain fox]

Use overlord optimisation 15 second coold down on hive after you go down you activate it immediately

[onyx sage]

i mean it really depends on whether you need both skills for some strats to work out. if you do then you would use those skills instead. revive hive is only "needed" if you don't already need 2 skills

[dawn perch]

More often then not i am just that as i play fi or he healer and pick people off the ground

[rain fox]

@onyx sage ye that's true

[balmy geyser]

yea im just memeing. I'm also coping as I cant for the life of me reroll that damn augment to echo

[onyx sage]

and i'm stuck wondering what augment i should put on proto nego

[rain fox]

@dawn perch there's a way to boost your nimble holster even further

[onyx sage]

echo is one choice but the echo hits don't work with nego

[rain fox]

One of the specialisations have bonus cover armour

[balmy geyser]

My soul is being torn to shreds every time I scrap 25 protos for a single re-roll that isn't giving me what I want

[short verge]

well, im inspired, i got 648 exotic components, how many will be spent in this thing to get full red

[dawn perch]

Let me guess umbral?

[balmy geyser]

I believe in you brother.

[rain fox]

@balmy geyser I know bro no usable pieces at all

The nimble holster also resets your ammo with the big alejandro

[balmy geyser]

Ive gained approximately 26 new gray hairs since Escalations started.

[dawn perch]

What the...

[rain fox]

Look at them both and read it

[onyx sage]

nimble or centurion?

[rain fox]

Sorry the ninja bike kneepads

[onyx sage]

💀

[balmy geyser]

So neither xD

[dawn perch]

What

[rain fox]

They give 25% bonus armour and reload your weapon

So you can keep big all active

[rain fox]

So instead of reloading do a cover to cover

[balmy geyser]

or vault

[rain fox]

Because big all relies on cover its a nice combo

[weak quail]

Good thing about god rolls is prototyping makes optimizing unnecessary as it maxes them out

[balmy geyser]

IF YOU'RE EXP 30 🥲

[dawn perch]

The nimble hoster full heals me though but 25% bonus + reload is oddly tempting.

[balmy geyser]

25% bonus armor is kinda chonky

provided that you already have some

[weak quail]

Stop using your favorite gear and start ranking up that sacrum imperium and exuro set!!

[rain fox]

Ye I was thinking about a different piece not the nimble holster

[dawn perch]

I am in same boat qwq.

[weak quail]

When i first saw nimble holster i laughed at it, grew to love it as i ranked it up

[balmy geyser]

never. I'd rather donate my manlyhood to a charity of anyones choice.

[rain fox]

The ninja bike kneepads do look decent tho if you don't use the overdogs

[flint arch]

I hate nimble holster for forcing me to run striker backpack and not the gift

[rain fox]

Pair it with big all strike could be serious

[weak quail]

Gift that good? One of the last bags i got left to rank up and just started using it for that

[rain fox]

I'm about to go test this

[weak quail]

I think it has good rolls too iirc

[balmy geyser]

Also, another upside using investor.. the mask is cool af

[rain fox]

As you spend most of your time in cover seems perfect

[dawn perch]

I am mostly stuck using it and exodus on my red build as i am so bad at cutting the pie i eat damage like no tomorrow. I may move off them if i get better at actually not taking damage.

[flint arch]

perfect vigilance just reduces the cooldown by 1 second

[weak quail]

Nimble holster too funny, i love running back and forth like a silly monkey

Really good on firewall as he gets bonus armor when he does that or survivalist for ammo

[weak quail]

Headshot damage on the brand and a pretty good talent, i should probably keep it when im done 😆

[flint arch]

the main reason you would use gift is to pair it with sacrifice

[weak quail]

Ooo

Wel well well, sure is a good thing i run reviver hive with a shield and overcharge cause boy oh boy the floor will see me often with that set up

[flint arch]

who needs revive hive when you can just position and corner peek better

[weak quail]

What’s the second brand bonus?

[dawn perch]

If you are running nimble hoslter. There an assumption you going to get hit anyways though lmao.

[flint arch]

8% CHC

[balmy geyser]

Forge is pretty cool if you use shield and stack skill

[weak quail]

Juicy, but ceska exists too. We go with what we have tho so it’s good to know

[weak quail]

Ya i have a couple stashed

Overdrives makes shield invulnerable for 9 seconds and 15 when my friend uses btsu gloves so even a tier 0 shield can be useful

[weak quail]

I say 9 seconds but varies based on your modifiers

[rain fox]

Intimidate with the provocateur chest is beefy

That can tank master if you use 2 piece improvise with pfe

[smoky latch]

Intimidate is a chest talent btw

[balmy geyser]

cool!

[subtle bluff]

Provocateur is more of trap imo...

[balmy geyser]

I was just gonna say, those are some weird Protos..

[weak quail]

Cloud armor is cool and all but that overdrive can be nasty on reviver hive when teammates start mopping the floor

[rain fox]

Best tank build I ever used was chill out mask with brand set glove and bag then 2 improvise piece with provocateur chest intimidate bag pistol is the tempest

[flint arch]

how exactly

[balmy geyser]

Because they're not protos? 😂 I just glanced at the picture

Or are they? Am i tripping?

[strong cave]

its rare seeing someone else like nimble holster

[flint arch]

they are prototyped

[balmy geyser]

Why are you protos more.. pink-ish

[rain fox]

It's that colour blind mode

[weak quail]

Color blind mode maybe, i use tritanopia myself

[flint arch]

colorblind mode

[strong cave]

color blind filter in accessibility settings

[balmy geyser]

aaaaah gotcha gotcha

[weak quail]

You can see they are level 30

[balmy geyser]

haha yea, I did now. I just noticed the color at first

[weak quail]

I just know the moment i start doing escalation and a prototype drops imma just scrap it on the ground thinking it’s superior

[strong cave]

I use Deutranopia settings

[dawn perch]

I wonder if glass cannon with nimble hoslter would be a good idea with striker build hmmmm.....

[strong cave]

no. ive personally tested it with eagle bearer. its awful

[weak quail]

I did for a while but green looking like superior was messing with me so i changed to trito iirc

[balmy geyser]

Do they actually help you in any way? (You who do not have any issues seeing colors, that is)

[strong cave]

nimble on striker is fine but nimble and glass counter play too much

[weak quail]

Outlines grenades and incoming mortars better or something

[flint arch]

stuff like grenades, hives, mortars etc get an additional range indicator

[dawn perch]

Why?

[strong cave]

also helps skill proximities

[balmy geyser]

actually kinda makes sense, yea.

I did something similar for a challenge boss in WoW once

[smoky latch]

Priceless in PvP

[strong cave]

nimble encourages cover to cover. which does help during cover to cover transitions. but in order to really get use out of nimble you need to take damage and use it to heal that damage. with glass you dont want to be taking any damage, you want to be dealing it immediately

[weak quail]

Helps aim your mortar sentry better too, which i havent touched since forever

[strong cave]

so the only other gun to think of taking to make use of Nimble would be EB. its very run and gun play. but taking glass ruins the point of the whole "run and gun"

[weak quail]

iirc lady death also benefits from moving? I forgot

[strong cave]

if anything youd want to take overdogs and ditch nimble and play decoy skill

[smoky latch]

You get movement speed bonus after a kill IIRC

[strong cave]

you gain stacks for amp damage on the gun equivalent to the mag size and the movement speed bonus is on kill

CCMG got nerfed hard so nobody really takes lady death no more

[balmy geyser]

I tried Lady death, bloody knuckles and claws out once..

I was hoping for a lot more than I got :c

[strong cave]

I can get you a build that hits for 1.8m as a melee

[smoky latch]

There was a time where Lady Death was good in PvP

[balmy geyser]

thats what mine did.. ish.. But thats not nearly enough to make it work haha

[dawn perch]

I mostly use nimble a recovery option mostly for my mistakes (in groups). I am not really as run and gun. I am more slowly advancing through a mission. Mostly slow pushing

[balmy geyser]

Unless you mean like.. for every punch regardless? Because mine sure didnt haha

[strong cave]

Invested bonks

[balmy geyser]

And investor why?

[strong cave]

in that case it should work fine then

[weak quail]

Also amplified damage with movement or was that a different smg?

[strong cave]

regen

[smoky latch]

That too but we were talking movement speed

[balmy geyser]

Dont you lose a crap ton of dmg not using bloody knuckles instead?

[weak quail]

I know lady death has a mod for melee damage too that looks like you slap someone because the chicken is cold or something, my friend always laughed when he saw me kill someone with melee

[strong cave]

at the cost of losing a shit ton of survivability for very little benefit of having crit gloves

[balmy geyser]

gotcha haha.

[weak quail]

Nimble holster doesn’t give movement speed tho does it? Now i’m lost

[balmy geyser]

And where would you use this build, ideally haha

[weak quail]

Bloody knuckles requires melee or grenade hits, didn’t really enjoy ranking it up haha

[smoky latch]

Nope, just repairs armor

[strong cave]

yeah its only 100% melee damage. thats very little. youd ideally use this in PVP but in low difficulty pve for melee objectives during seasons and stuff

[balmy geyser]

I can imagine its super meme running around with quickstep and slapping the crap out of people

[weak quail]

It was abysmal even with claws out and lady death. 1100% melee damage only good for some reds

And for whatever reason a melee kill with lady death wouldn’t proc the movement buff, insane design

[balmy geyser]

They really should make more.. "fun" builds..

And moreso.. off meta builds more viable.

[broken pewter]

wait why is the scorpio healing me each shot?

[onyx sage]

true patriot?

[broken pewter]

no FI healer build

[onyx sage]

no i mean someone else is probably running true patriot

if you see the TP flag on the enemy, that's probably why

[balmy geyser]

Hot take, best support build you can run, is OD

[broken pewter]

send me that

[dawn perch]

Debatable lmao. Some escalation missions make that impossible lmao.

[balmy geyser]

Dont have a specific build.. But heals rarely work effectively in higher difficulty content.

So, instead of healing, you're buffing everyones damage haha

[smoky latch]

FI healer T10 Esclation top notch

Much better than OD support

[dawn perch]

Fi buffs damage by not getting hit

[balmy geyser]

I mean, I'd love to be wrong.. But I haven't come across a really good healer once.

[smoky latch]

You are wrong lol

[balmy geyser]

ok lol

[smoky latch]

Some ppl just play such builds to have an excuse stumbling into T10 or other high difficulty environments. Doesn't mean they play well with it

[drifting fiber]

how would a 5 piece paradox augment TS build perform in theory? would it be an endless bullethose?

[civic meteor]

Once I maximize my striker build I will prob play a healer build

[balmy geyser]

So how am I wrong, for havent run into a good healer once? just asking lmao

[civic meteor]

I should look into healer builds tbh

Sounds fun to help other people or just have an infinite armour build

[onyx sage]

FI heals are just insanely strong, you don't have to do much except aiming chem and dropping hive

[onyx sage]

doesn't really work like that

[balmy geyser]

Sure, but isnt such a healer more "effective" on someone with a decent survivability? If you get oneshot, there's not much to heal no? xD

[dawn perch]

I hate the damn chem launcher though.

[solar sable]

FI and EP outside of Escalation make up for the best support builds for the simplest fact of them applying several amps on enemies. The whole deal about being the healer is standing a bit behind taking care of your teammates' health and CC with Scorpio a little bit.

[smoky latch]

Possibly. Their task is to buff your damage, it's helluva job if you wanna do it well

[onyx sage]

a god tier healer can't save a bad DPS

[smoky latch]

And keeping you alive ofc

[onyx sage]

but if you're a good DPS, you will appreciate a good healer

[smoky latch]

True

[dawn perch]

Correct

[balmy geyser]

ofc not haha.

But will the dmg loss from a healer, outdo the support they provide?

[dawn perch]

Even when it is very demanding heals you need provide... like literally almost gettinf one shot.

[onyx sage]

yes, because in harder content you have limited positions for DPS to take

[balmy geyser]

Don't get me wrong, im not arguing against a healer one bit. I like the idea of having a support class with you.

But in my own personal experience, they mostly provide a lackluster support and little to no damage,.

[balmy geyser]

Gotcha, didnt think of this.

[smoky latch]

You'll melt NPCs much better with a FI healer

[dawn perch]

Personally, if you are dead. Zero dps is being provided.

[solar sable]

unless the FI healer is me bc I'm a useless healer lol

[balmy geyser]

of course.. But if the enemy dies first, there's nothing to kill you.

[smoky latch]

"Melting" in Escalations doesn't really fit tho. You scratch off their HP a little faster lol

[subtle bluff]

FI gives dmg to the team to do more dmg

[balmy geyser]

Gotcha, and remind me, What is "FI"?

[dawn perch]

Future iniative

[solar sable]

Future Initiative

[smoky latch]

Since your foam is on point I might say your heals would be too 😁

[solar sable]

I agree to disagree 🥴

[vernal wing]

Running out of armor kits and having your armor break is a good alternative.

[onyx sage]

note to self: fire foam at teammates' backs so they can't see

[balmy geyser]

Yes, excellent point.

[solar sable]

this is the best thing an EP foam player can do

[subtle bluff]

I posted a infograph guide like a few hours ago.

[onyx sage]

after sacrum imperium nerf it's now my only viable way to friendly fire

[balmy geyser]

I mean, i'd never imagine playing a healer myself. I just wanted to understand more what FI really does

[dawn perch]

Do not forget about impossible task of healing and reviving the teammate with chem launcher who plays super deep.

[onyx sage]

mostly damage buffing and debuffing

[balmy geyser]

Is Bittersweet used in anything?

[dawn perch]

Healing can either be less stressful or reall stressful depending on situation.

[onyx sage]

theoretically, if the damage dealer guys don't take any damage, then the FI player doesn't have to do anything. FI 4p gives 25% twd to any teammate with full armor. ofc that's not possible in real play, so the healing helps with that. now with that the set even boosts healing a massive amount if you heal 2 or more at the same time

[balmy geyser]

i mean yea, same goes for DPS tho haha. I've had to clutch a whole dead team a couple times.

[strong cave]

who says fun cant be had? hunters arent happy with this build lol. i keep the team alive in countdown. still undergoing other areas of testing

[onyx sage]

25% twd is quite a lot of buff for your money

[smoky latch]

Stressful quite often. Not worth for heroic difficulty for instance cuz everyone runs around like chickens

[solar sable]

Look at the buffs:

Scorpio 8th shot, P. Opportunistic (15%), Survivalist AMP (10% IIRC), FI 25% TWD when at full armor, Sledgehammer acts too if you can hit the nade

[dawn perch]

Not really. It is super niche. I use it and i am werid.

[onyx sage]

ummm ackchually scorpio starts buffing on 7th shot, the tooltip is wrong 🤓

[strong cave]

talent says 9th shot

[balmy geyser]

Probably best use of that emoji, ever.

[solar sable]

omfg I once read it wasn't the 9th and the 8th instead and now I'm being told it's the 7th? 😭

[onyx sage]

oh nvm it's 8th shot

i'm sentencing myself to escalation LFG

[strong cave]

i sentence you to going out and touching grass

[onyx sage]

but yeah talent says 9, but in reality it starts on the 8th. but the 9th actually refreshes the duration

[strong cave]

can i join?

[balmy geyser]

What if there's no grass where I live.

[onyx sage]

nah I'm at work

[strong cave]

idk... jar of dirt?

[dawn perch]

Wait do you they have be undamaged to have the bonus?
"Increases you and your allies' total weapon and skill damage by 15% when at full armor." 15>25% due to chestpiece.

[solar sable]

Pointmanize... 10/10

[strong cave]

the forbidden J word. im offended

[onyx sage]

the teammates, not the healer

[balmy geyser]

"go out and swipe dust"

[dawn perch]

So them at full hp. not me?

[onyx sage]

yes

[solar sable]

FLASHBANG!

[strong cave]

youd be surprised. it actually hits and works. iron lung triggers the flag as well

[balmy geyser]

I've been running striker forever.. and I dont mind being a glass cannon go brrrrrr..

But... i HAVE been eyeing a CoCo Pestilence build..

[strong cave]

how much unicorn you want: yes

[hexed steppe]

Missing sacrifice

[strong cave]

yeah there is that

[solar sable]

you can sackrifice me

[balmy geyser]

Dont I wanna stack as much Wep dmg as physically possible?

[strong cave]

sack

[dawn perch]

FI is just slightly less good then i thought. The damage is really good but that detail makes it harder as some of the dps play too deep to heal or revive.

[solar sable]

yup, that's the only way Pesti Ticks work better

[balmy geyser]

Thats not a you issue, thats a them issue.

[solar sable]

my god can we not flash everyone's screens with unicorn show off

[strong cave]

swap to empathic chest and ditch BTSU in this regard

[strong cave]

[solar sable]

The perfect way to be an efficient healer IMO is to not have BTSU 100% of the time so you can hotswap to Birdies or BTSU when required

[rain fox]

True patriot is actually good I made a strega build and it wiped through countdown easily

[vernal wing]

Wait why survivlist?

[solar sable]

AMP to status effected enemies

[balmy geyser]

wth is unicorn in this scenario

[strong cave]

survivalist gives team damage buffs to status effected enemies

[onyx sage]

embrace the way of the warrior.

[rain fox]

Good survival at least and damage is decent

[solar sable]

Lengmo double crit pieces

[strong cave]

3 of them, no less.

[hexed steppe]

[dawn perch]

Funny enough i use birdies more then btsu.

[strong cave]

not one. not two. THREE! ah but a 4 piece gearset easily does more than that build

[balmy geyser]

I assume by "unicorn" they're not necessarily easy to come across=

[solar sable]

this clip just got me pregananat

[vernal wing]

Any use for the Xbow?

[solar sable]

absolutely, getting armor plates off of tanks

[strong cave]

cracks armor

[smoky latch]

Rather semi-unicorns I'd say. Try getting a PS chest with double crits and GC... THAT is a unicorn 🙁

[hexed steppe]

Nah lengmo def full unicorns

[solar sable]

that is above Lengmo unicorns but yes, I agree

[hexed steppe]

They are the same

[strong cave]

pretty sure coco does more top end for both damage and pesti ticks no?

[hexed steppe]

Both roll blue and are a pita to farm

[balmy geyser]

First build I started with when I came back to the game a few months a go.. was a hotshot build.. and seeing those 30mill hits was definitely satisfying

[hexed steppe]

Probably, gl solo tho

[smoky latch]

It does but not suitable solo indeed

[balmy geyser]

But.. I didnt imagine that My physical self would turn out to be my biggest downfall,. playing hotshot

[strong cave]

yeah thats why i genuinely just dont bother with Coco. would rather just use lengmo in group and solo bc meh

[weak quail]

Glad someone else mentioned this, honestly FI chest only works with a refactor in the team. My friend used to think that as long as he was full armor everybody else got his buff… nah homie, even if you die they get it they just need to have full armor which makes it ehhhhh

[solar sable]

but sir, you are also taking into account the talent for PS and not for Lengmo

[vernal wing]

It does, but it sucks in escalation, striker you can max 200 stack off 3-4 enemies.

And anywhere else you can literally clear with low end gear.

[hexed steppe]

Dont need talent to use ps

[smoky latch]

GC!

[weak quail]

And has the best grenades by far (sorry, i love blocking spawns with fire)

[solar sable]

you're right, I should power on my PS instead

[smoky latch]

Obliterate also nice

[strong cave]

not surprised. im not an escal player, i dont really bother with prototype. not my cup of tea and if i wanna gamble id rather just carry on with drug addiction

[strong cave]

heavily agreed. my top 3 nades is that one, emp nade and the flashbang

[balmy geyser]

why not both

[weak quail]

My only unicorn is a crit chance 6 and a decoy health 7.5 lmao

[smoky latch]

FI chest only works with Refactor? What?

[dawn perch]

The wording actually fooled me though and there is no indicator

[strong cave]

id get more high off the crack than the escal proto drops. by then id probably literally die farming

[weak quail]

I detail why i said that

Like i see more uptime in it when my friend runs FI and i run refactor than when he alone runs FI

[balmy geyser]

High escal on a whole bag of peruvian nose candy definitely gets your heart going. Would probably not recommend for the weak.

[weak quail]

and i run OD or striker or whatever

[weak quail]

Yeah had to test it

[weak quail]

It makes me wanna run collector exotic just for the love of the game

[smoky latch]

We have TL for everything by now so Escalation's daily changing loot is regress

Also I get more random item proto drops than 'targeted loot' on average

[strong cave]

negl id rather cheat escal than play it properly. not outting myself, just being straight up honest 😂

[weak quail]

The event caches have dropped me 5 protos and they are all blooms like bro

What is this loot pool

And yes not a single good one

But proto is proto i guess

[smoky latch]

I wanna try Stranded Tanker today on T10, curious how that goes

[urban latch]

theres some rough sections with trash cover available

[balmy geyser]

yaaay, achieved a personal lil goal just now.

Managed to reach 20 mil dps on the shooting range haha

[smoky latch]

I'm a little concerned about the finale, mostly

Plus the broken belly of the ship where the 2-4 chungas can pop up

[flint arch]

I shoot the back of the chungas to remove their helmet

[smoky latch]

Gas cans work too

Nvm you meant that probably

[warped musk]

jesus, my bullet king build only reaches 2.6m dps on average

[balmy geyser]

Yea but this is a bit of an angled test. I reset the test, after having full stacks to get the first burst.

The average dps over a longer time is obviously lower.

(And the fact that im standing like 4ft away blasting away in the head also helps lmao)

[smoky latch]

The DPS meter is not accurate btw. Idk how it's bugged but it is

[balmy geyser]

It's accurate enough to give me an idea. As long as you treat/use it the same way.

I used the calculator in the pinned and my burst dps is, according to the sheet, 18 mill

[urban latch]

Dont trust the range calc

[balmy geyser]

I mean, I know you have a way better build too haha

[urban latch]

the build that did that was a nonsense build lol

[balmy geyser]

And like I said, I dont. But if you treat it the same, using it the same, for each test, you can get a rough idea.

[smoky latch]

I can live with the DPS meter being broken but status effects or the Rager directive bugging out the targets is mad annoying

[balmy geyser]

And based on the sheet, the ranged dps is not far off anyway

[urban latch]

try out the different targets and see how different the dps values change

[smoky latch]

Also I want the static status effect/marker visibility on NPCs back

[balmy geyser]

I have, and of course it does. but again, i set it up the exact same way every time I test something,.

Closest distance, invuln elite, headshot and full stack striker.

[smoky latch]

That is really not how you test for "realistic conditions"

[balmy geyser]

well.. duh

I know. I never said I did. It was just to give me a rough idea.

[urban latch]

the 18m spreadsheet calced number was burst dps, so no reloads. If your using the invuln, then its trying to calc sustain dps (accounting for reloads). And yet its 10% hihgher than the actual burst dps

the point is, the margin its off is larger than the differences your trying to compare.

[balmy geyser]

sigh.. yall really dont listen haha..

I know... it's day and night.. I know it's inaccurate.. I know this game buggs the f off on the daily.

I just use it.. for myself... to give me a rough estimate, based on the same shooting range parameters. That's it.

Not that deep.

[flint arch]

i think raucey's point is that the dps meter is so inaccurate that it's not even good for a very rough idea

[urban latch]

your build that got 20m range dps is far better than the build used to get that 54m

[balmy geyser]

Well, that I dont agree with. As i've been seeing a consistent increase along with the upgrades of my gear. '

But yea.. if i dont wanna do a full statistical deepdive into a google spread sheet, this is the next best option at base haha

For example.. when i started doing this.. i remember being around 9-11 mill.. then ive just increased in damage between changes of gear, echo upgrades.. optimizations, etc, since then, to the point where I know hit that 20m

And this is.. across.. i dunno.. 50+ tests? 😄

[flint arch]

imo if you don't want to manually calculate it, the best way to test is to just use it in the field, e.g. bring it into heroic lincoln memorial and see if you can comfortably spawn camp everyone

[balmy geyser]

Yea but that's not very consistent as targets move..right?

[flint arch]

the game isn't localized in the shooting range

in the end your build needs to go up against moving targets that will fight back and are standing more than 5 meters away

[balmy geyser]

sigh.. im just gonna give up this conversation now haha

[gentle lichen]

who needs aok? enemies literally don't shoot back lol

[somber yarrow]

hey chat its my build ok? I dont know the weapon I should use
Ignore the cloak I am trying to get the non named version

[balmy geyser]

Best advice, when using Pesti, you wanna stack as much Weapon damage as physically possible, that's what makes it tick.

[somber yarrow]

Is pesti a good choice?

[subtle bluff]

We can make that DPS meter read the same over multple of weapons and builds. Which shouldn't make sense.

[solar sable]

Obliterate instead of Intimidate and Unstoppable Force instead of Ad Rush

[subtle bluff]

Just give him the pesti.

[balmy geyser]

well.. and this is the last thing im gonna say about this as it seemingly doesnt matter what I say.... For this """"""test""""""" i've only been using LMG and striker.

[ocean wyvern]

I think the Pesti Build is CoCo or Unicorn Lengmo

[somber yarrow]

the talent can be changed unlimited times, right?

[solar sable]

only if it's an Open Talent slot

[somber yarrow]

how can i know it?

[subtle bluff]

You can get some baseline numbers like how hard you hit and what not. But it's has issues with counting rounds it's really weird. Then some talents just weird in the range. Do what you think works we're just trying to state facts for you so you don't get mislead.

[ocean wyvern]

The way the game counts rounds at high RPM gets funky

[balmy geyser]

I know.. i know i know.. And for the 100s time, i'm merely using it for a rough estimate.

[subtle bluff]

Just stating facts not trying to you not to do something if you don't want to.

[solar sable]

do you know the recalibration rules?

[balmy geyser]

But I shall absolutely and forever henceforth not use it again... gotcha

[somber yarrow]

No

[solar sable]

Lvl40 Starters Guide
I assumed you did but, eh, my bad for using SHD level

[obtuse shoal]

Don’t judge me but I love melting in PvE. Just a regular gamer dad

[ocean wyvern]

Nothing wrong with that, that's why we play

[warped musk]

How's the build looking?

[solar sable]

mask and vest are not ideal

[subtle bluff]

There's a build hub with a bunch of guides that'll help you out in the Pinned Messages.
If you haven't farmed your library yet take a look at the starter guide.

[orchid kayak]

is there a DPS armor build plz

[subtle bluff]

The closest thing is Heartbreaker.
More armor doesn't allow you to face tank.

[short verge]

Give this a try. Use whatever weapons you want. Foam Launcher a great recommendation.

[smoky latch]

Use Ceska instead of Chill Out tho

[urban latch]

You can run a crusader shield and as many armors as you want on a dps build. The build logic doesnt change, just the cores. Whether the trade off is worth it or not is up to you to say the least. And for what its worth, the easiest way to put survivability on any dps build without sacrificing much is by just running memento

[smoky latch]

And that build should have some red cores. Otherwise you're the Michelin mascot shooting marshmellows

[short verge]

Nope.

[smoky latch]

You have more WH than crits? What is that?

What difficulty do you play on??

If you want a tech tank build that is OK up to solo heroic, use this:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1og9FWqIfhTr3Wo-il3GN5Iq7gHEG3EQdj0ZtkHIZAmY/edit

[short verge]

For casual Heroic and the occasional Master mode.

Of course I'm bringing better loadouts in group play, Legendaries, and Escalation.

[ocean wyvern]

Is techtank just blue + technician?

[smoky latch]

That WH on your build makes zero sense

[short verge]

I have this exact build. It works the exact same way.

[smoky latch]

There will be a noticeable damage difference tho

[short verge]

I replaced the Hive and Shield with Foam Launcher and Pulse.

[short verge]

You're right, there is. But I'm guaranteeing Retaliation wins and having better-feeling weapons with my preferred setup.

[smoky latch]

Bro, it takes 3000 years to finish any activity with your build

[short verge]

It took 9 minutes to finish my last Retaliation.

[smoky latch]

Nah, that is a very inefficient build that gives new players a false idea of the game

Here we try to recommend good builds to people so they don't waste their time farming for stuff they won't need later on

[short verge]

Wrong mindset. Players should always go for what they're comfortable with first before finding what they vibe with in the meta. My preferences are my preferences.

[smoky latch]

If you wanna stuff like that, fine, but I would never recommend it to others

[short verge]

You wouldn't, I would.

[smoky latch]

Apparently

[short verge]

Yes.

[ocean wyvern]

I feel like this is a "template vs. variant" argument right now

[short verge]

Um, templates first and then players can move on to whatever later, I guess?

[ocean wyvern]

I feel like Inf posted the template after you posted your variant, and it just became a bit of a mess haha

[short verge]

What they posted objectively does better DPS, of course, but then there's also the matter of actual in-game performance. I prefer weapon handling because weapons just kind of suck to use without the stat. I'm able to get better overall performance in my solo sessions.

[smoky latch]

Finishing solo heroic is no statement. Pretty much any build can be viable in solo heroic

[short verge]

You asked what difficulty I'm using it on. Of course I'm bringing better stuff for groups and the higher difficulty/Escalation tiers.

[rare trout]

Are folks using WH or HSD for the passive seasonal modifiers for high tier escalations?

I've been using WH which is nice since the MK46 seems to have a really long reload time. Also makes recoil very manageable.

[lone wadi]

I like using Hsd for more dps

Recoil can usually just be fixed with one mod on the gun

[short verge]

Gotta get rid of weapon handling for Escalation. Frenzy's the frenzy around there.

[smoky latch]

I use HSD, when I tried WH the reload time with Frenzy got messed up

At least for the MK46 that is

[rare trout]

What mod do you run? I saw toastey is running accuracy on his mk46

[lone wadi]

I am as well

I find mk46 recoil to be fine so I just use accuracy mod

But I honestly can’t tell if it does anything so it’s just for the noise lol

[rare trout]

I'll give HSD another try, I haven't had issues keeping frenzy up. The slow af reload time is just very painful

[lone wadi]

If I don’t wanna control the recoil I just swap to the 20 stability one

[smoky latch]

Yes I agree

[lone wadi]

yea this will happen if you reload too fast and hold down m1 for the entire duration of frenzy cus mk46 frenzy expires mid reload

[onyx sage]

i use my own build so i don't get some idiot saying i copy toastey's build in chat

[smoky latch]

When we played the other day you were using a GR9 too, that reload is smoother due to the LMG archetype

[teal ibex]

stop copying dien 🤣

[onyx sage]

like look at what sharkie got

[teal ibex]

who is toasty o.O

[onyx sage]

german speedrunner, "casual" player

ToasteyXGod on yt

[urban latch]

if a build makes sense then a lot of different people will converge on it

[onyx sage]

the reddit build copyright office begs to differ

[short verge]

slightly humorous when different content creator chats start accusing each other of stealing a build idea, and then the original build post is here or on reddit

[ocean wyvern]

I mean the original build idea came from a developer/game planner, so people are just bitching lol

[rare trout]

What build are you running in escalation? I haven't seen any new YT vids on your channel in a while. I copied the gr9 frenzy strat from your legendary runs

[onyx sage]

basically the same old frenzy mk46 as others run, just with different pieces

i use zwia gc chest and overdogs

[buoyant perch]

Sir, you are legally contracted to use PGC

[onyx sage]

i need zwia chest or my mk46 randomly loses frenzy sir

[teal ibex]

never heard of him. but i guess u know him lol

[onyx sage]

he's pretty big in the tryhard circle for this game. check him out

[ocean wyvern]

Why zwia?

just the mag size?

[normal shadow]

Which would be a better basic build for higher tier FI healer:

• 2PC Alps (gloves + backpack) with a fast hotswap for Birdie's
• BTSU gloves and Alps backpack with a glacially slow hotswap for Birdie's

[smoky latch]

This is nice

Alternatively use the FI chest, BTSU and The Setup bag

[onyx sage]

there's an issue with mk46 frenzy in that if you proc gunner reload AND the gunner 5% rof on kill buff throughout the mag, your firing time + reload time will be too short, and frenzy will still be up by the time you get to the next mag, making you lose frenzy for the whole mag. this gets even worse with modifiers.

1p zwia is the cheapest solution i can come up with that works in every situation i'm in where i can get various buffs, that doesn't affect my burst damage too much.

[smoky latch]

But it takes a while to hotswap to Birdie's when needed. And in mm you will need it a lot...

[teal ibex]

hmm. i kinda find my way of stuff actually. doing t5 escalations nowadays. so yea improved a lot haha

[onyx sage]

it's good to look at references to see how others manage the same thing, but yeah by all means find ways to make it suit how you play.

[teal ibex]

complete side note.. seems our national statue of our country got violeted on remembrence day😑

[ocean wyvern]

That makes so much sense

[teal ibex]

i didnt knew u had the gr9 frenzy build tho. but had a party with one guy using it. looked hella fun. so now making a tink build with it as well

[urban latch]

you can just take that perk off gunner, but imo it doesnt happen enough to be worth worrying about

[onyx sage]

i can remove it but it affects other weapons too, and i like it when it's up

[normal shadow]

What talent does the Alps chest have?

[ocean wyvern]

@onyx sage do you find the +mag size helps you time frenzy more consistently?

[smoky latch]

Empathic Resolve

[onyx sage]

it's mainly to eliminate the frenzy loss issue, otherwise not sure what you mean by timing sorry

[willow ocean]

Empathic Resolve if you’re talking about

[ocean wyvern]

I meant like not having it bleed over into the next mag, but I got the answer I was looking for haha

[normal shadow]

That might actually work really well! Also wouldn't have to hotswap.

[onyx sage]

yeah that's precisely what i'm talking about, it solves that issue

[smoky latch]

You will need Birdie's a lot when you matchmake...

[onyx sage]

or you can respec the perk in the gunner tree like raucey said

[smoky latch]

For the higher tiers that is tho

[willow ocean]

Higher tiers would work better

[normal shadow]

True, true. And probably even with a premade as well. Yeah I think I need to hit Countdown for a couple of runs.

[ocean wyvern]

That used to be one of problems I had with frenzy was it bleeding into the next mag, never thought to try zwiadowka

[smoky latch]

For Countdown I would rather use the BTSU variant

[normal shadow]

Absolutely, we were discussing basically tier 6 and above.

[onyx sage]

it's just one way i find to solve it. i encourage trying it out and also removing the reload perk too and see which one you like more. the reload came in clutch a few times for me

[normal shadow]

There should be no need for a healer in Countdown. I'm going to run a couple of times to get the Alps backpack. Can't remember if I have a suitable one as of now.

[ocean wyvern]

I think they meant Countdown for farming but I could be wrong

[smoky latch]

T6 is not high tho. I'd count T8-10 high

[ocean wyvern]

I admittedly take the gunner reload for granted

[smoky latch]

The Setup, Uzina Getica. SH and RS

+15% AMP damage to the target you prime with your shotgun

[normal shadow]

That I do have already. But I'm not sure I have the chestpiece needed. I mistyped it as backpack for some ungodly reason. Need to farm that.

[smoky latch]

Use FI chest in that variant

And BTSU gloves

[normal shadow]

I'm talking about this variant.

[ocean wyvern]

Is Scorpio/Lefty the standard healer gun kit?

[smoky latch]

I'm going to run a couple of times to get the Alps backpack

Did I confuse something or you?

[normal shadow]

I do have all parts of the BTSU variant but I might be missing a suitable Alps chest with Empathic.

[ocean wyvern]

He did, he stated it previously

[normal shadow]

I did. That was, what we in the business call, a brain fart.

[smoky latch]

Ah nevermind, might have overlooked

[normal shadow]

Yeah that was my bad. Sorry bout that.

[smoky latch]

No need, all g

[tepid mantle]

Hallo guys I got a few questions im kinda new im playing tipping scales with bluescreen but im dying really fast Should I put some weapon dmg away for armor or is it better to put away some crit chance/dmg and should I just take armor or armor regen or smth like this and should i start farming prototype gear now or wait till I get Perfect normal gear and then Go for prototype gear thanks in advance

[willow ocean]

Armor no weapon damage

Because if you go with weapon damage, you will be likely to die faster

[solar sable]

Try another LMG, Bluescreen is mostly for CC and Support so your DMG will be hurt. Iron Lung/Big Al will do.

No, never trade CHC/CHD for trash stats like Armor Regen. It's not worth it.

No, Prototype is meant to be the end-end-game. It's not meant to be a thing for newer players.

[ocean wyvern]

uh oh, where's the 6 red manifesto

[tepid mantle]

Okay so put Every weapon dmg away for armor or just like 3-4 points

[tepid mantle]

Okay thanks alot I will try These guns

[willow ocean]

Wdym?

[ocean wyvern]

It's a playful comment, there's a very good guide written on why armor is not as useful as higher damage with better positioning

[tepid mantle]

Okay so its better to stay all dmg and just my positioning is Bad and should be better ?

[willow ocean]

It should be better. Do you have armor equipped on your slots?

[ocean wyvern]

That's the general idea of the guide/document, but as always, your mileage may vary and take from it what you will

[tepid mantle]

Atm I got pure dmg i only have 600k armor

[tepid mantle]

Yeah thats true thanks m8!

[ocean wyvern]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tCcHSui_wM6di2uJMPoJJB6Wx9K-pqbeuWyHAQcJ9AI The document in reference

[tepid mantle]

It doesnt let me open it sadly

[ocean wyvern]

try the edited link, if that doesn't work, it's accessible through the spreadsheet in the pins

[tepid mantle]

Thanks m8

[ocean wyvern]

Was this directed at me?

[willow ocean]

I was talking to @tepid mantle

[tepid mantle]

Yeah atm i only got dmg im Running with 600k armor

[subtle bluff]

DL the app

Google Doc and Sheet

If you're on a desktop or should work fine.

[odd perch]

Any cool builds utilizing The Sheriff? I've seen hunters fury but doesn't appeal to how I like sniping with The Sheriff. Currently just running a strikers but.... That's every build

[ocean wyvern]

I'm not super well versed on it, but if you like sniping with it, there's a HF variant that uses headhunter that might work for that

[outer wharf]

How do you guys build around pestilence?

[short verge]

headhunter? im trying to do something wiht treating the sheriff like a marksman rifle i just dont got the items for it

[cobalt ravine]

Do you guys recommend support builds for a group

[odd perch]

Legmo Mask, Holster, Kneepads Weapon Damage CHC/CHD, Overdogs, Petrov back w vig, forget what chest.

It's not fun to go for as you need unicorn Lego pieces. Iirc the named Legmo back is better than Kneepads but I dropped 300+ without CHC/chd

[odd perch]

Yea I might try maybe a ninja bike split between high-end shotgun and headshot pieces

[solar sable]

it's never worth

[ocean wyvern]

Is it bad I think NBB is the worst thing they could've added to the game?

[solar sable]

nah, valid

[onyx sage]

it has its place, it's just so badly misused

[solar sable]

in the stash

[ocean wyvern]

For me, it feels like a cop-out rather than a solution

[copper yarrow]

What's the fastest way to prestack Coco?

[solar sable]

range

[urban latch]

expertise and prototype systems are far worse than any single item

[ocean wyvern]

worst item then, because you're not wrong

[mossy wind]

Marcus from borderlands: "You don't need to be a better shot. You just need to shoot more bullets."

Thought I'd share this for some Lols

[silent storm]

But Ninja Bike allows such awesome builds as this #ask-td2-community message

[short verge]

new division 2 meta

[lone wadi]

needs bell ringer

[weak quail]

That OD bro on his way to give you more ammo than he will get

[mossy wind]

I've actually been screwing around with silly builds since I don't have a lot of time to play. I complete content on normal or hard so I can not pay attention to it too much while mainly farming mats. I still level relatively fast which is weird. This is my favorite silly build since the Rock N Roll shotgun has a 61 magazine.

[weak quail]

Chilling with sacrum imperium until the next expertise surge event (their funeral)

[cobalt ravine]

What should I add to my build if im running elmo

[upper yew]

question

I have acquired lexington

now what

[short verge]

good job, now you have a gun that can be used in almost any ar build

[cobalt ravine]

Is the pestilence any good for dps builds

[upper yew]

about that, I exclusively used lmgs and shotguns since I started the game I dont know a good ar playstyle

[upper yew]

it carries me on heroic

[cobalt ravine]

Really

[upper yew]

ye, pair it with aa-12 to build striker stacks or go full red core strength, with momento ofc

[short verge]

well, you could probably just use the lexington with an LMG build as a secondary and it should also do fine there

[cobalt ravine]

And is the doctor home. Sacrum imperuim any good?

[dreamy valve]

You’re in the wrong neighborhood boi. We don’t take kindly to Ninjabag users here

[upper yew]

which exotic mg's I can acquire with priority and retaliation loot pool rn ?

[short verge]

gotta get big alejandro asap

i think thats uh retaliation kill team or completion blueprint tho

[upper yew]

I actually got that in my stash

[short verge]

ayy

[cobalt ravine]

Is the doctor home goof

[short verge]

depends on whether your dps team can light up the enemies you tag with it

[upper yew]

I got bluscreen ,pestilence, iron lung, that rpk that increases mag size with kills,alehandro

[cobalt ravine]

What about the Sacrum imperium

[short verge]

nah

[cobalt ravine]

Ok

[upper yew]

it saved my team's ass one time in descent, no idea about the other gamemodes

[cobalt ravine]

Well that's just pne game mode so

What is a good shotgun with high fire rate

[short verge]

i find it a funny way to mark who the dps members should shoot, just like, keep shoooting the one guy and hope that one of them sees the big red shiny icon above their head

[upper yew]

aa-12

rock roll is its exotic variant

[short verge]

m870

[cobalt ravine]

Because im running the ACS-12

[smoky latch]

Named*

[cobalt ravine]

Is the lefty and gear shift good?

[smoky latch]

Lefty is useful, gear shift is alright

[cobalt ravine]

Why is lefty good?

[onyx sage]

lefty lets you put another rof mod, it's just a normal acs otherwise

[cobalt ravine]

Oh oh ok

Thanks guys

[ocean wyvern]

idk why but this line made me laugh

[subtle bluff]

Lefty Shifter?

[cobalt ravine]

No lefty AND gear shift

[subtle bluff]

It was the fastest ACS12 and still having P. Sledgehammer.

[cobalt ravine]

Ok

[subtle bluff]

It's still very good.

[upper yew]

would mantis lexington decoy build work ?

[misty crane]

I just recently started using heartbreaker+memento build and I love it. I currently use Lexington with Killer but I was thinking of switching to flatline, maybe it's more sustained if it's like singular targets? I'm not sure

[short verge]

heartbreaker and memento is peak bonus armor accumulation, especially with lexington.

you could go extra silly and run it with bighorn for those meaty headshots

[vernal wing]

Can I use ravenous to kill Chungas or is it only good at breaking the armor?

[smoky latch]

It's great for chungas

Can do both

[subtle bluff]

It's noted in the Guide!!! 😄

[vernal wing]

I definitely don’t see it in the lvl 40 starter guide, which one/or which build am I looking for?

[subtle bluff]

Striker Guide

[willow ocean]

The Striker Guide

[vernal wing]

@willow ocean Ah yes, the 1 line blue hyperlink to another sheet, within the guide sheet, within the post, within the pin in this discord channel. Silly me

Thanks 🤝

[ocean wyvern]

I was looking like a madman for it haha

[cobalt ravine]

My batteries ran out mid stronghold and I died

[smoky latch]

Plenty guides for plenty repetitive questions

[vernal wing]

No one with a question is finding that on their own

[minor grove]

I’ve never actually looked at the guide but holy cow lot of good stuff hit me for not looking before

[smoky latch]

I agree it's a bandaid thing but better than nothing. Best to bookmark and re-name everything to your liking

[glad mauve]

i just have a typical tipping scales build with equalizer. should i run contractors gloves or overdogs

[soft crane]

Overdogs

[junior lagoon]

Wait Lexington does not cost a stash space? Why? How?

[last schooner]

I think some gifted items in your inbox takes no space? same with clan cache

[junior lagoon]

You mean items come from sakura chests?

No one is gifting lexingtons

[rare isle]

for a pestilence lengmo build is there an alternative for The sacrifice? cause on paper its good damage but feel like im gonna die fast so im still holding on farming it

i was planning on Equalizer cause i already got it

[buoyant perch]

Yeah equalizer is good

[plush cloak]

Any recommended changes for this build?

[smoky latch]

OD Guide

NBB in PvE = not good

[hallow arch]

is the harrier's pride worth using?

afaik it seems like a memento sidegrade but I could be very wrong

[lone wadi]

nah cus the buffs dont carry over combat iirc

[subtle bluff]

What are you trying to do here?

[plush cloak]

Not sure really. I got that prototype from the caches and wanted to give it a try.

[frosty oasis]

Yall wanted it. T10 DCD BackFire: 870M [5.1B dmg], 66 kills, 8 revives, 70M dmg taken 🤘🫡🤘

[lone wadi]

30 minute dcd 💀

[subtle bluff]

One proto doesn't make it good.

[shy willow]

No gameplay?

[plush cloak]

I understand - the sadist talent seemed to synergize well with OD. I for sure need the chest though.

[subtle bluff]

There's a full OD guide in the pinned messages.

[smoky latch]

Yeah where gameplay?

[subtle bluff]

He's better than the other guys that 3rd person self promos himself on reddit.

[smoky latch]

lol

[hallow arch]

Which gearset is the best for sniper builds?

[subtle bluff]

Hotshot

[hallow arch]

and I assume the recommended specialization is sharpshooter? Id be surprised if it isn't lol

[hallow arch]

hehe hotdog...

[hallow arch]

Can I replace hotshot knees with turmoil?

[lone wadi]

yes but you might have trouble one shotting some named enemeis without expertise and/or proto

[spare idol]

whats a good set for Lexington? And is Ongoing Directive a good set cause i have a full proto set of it

[hallow arch]

ah fair enough, shame I only started increasing my expertise recently

[viscid plaza]

Striker is the best set for Lexington

Ongoing Directive is good, but does better in certain modes (Retaliation, Countdown) than others (Escalation, Legendary missions and Summit)

[soft crane]

Cheap copy is more like it.

[spare idol]

when you get the chance can you send me a build or a yt video?

[soft crane]

Not enough mag size to make the most of hollow point rounds

[soft crane]

• yee yee ahh strikers

• The Stackless Strikers

[viscid plaza]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10Zu9fKBuzxZ_EDlx_hkm2HN_f_KZltlZu7I8LRyceVE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.feue0idx93gs

This is also a guide for Ongoing Directive

[spare idol]

nah if i use ongoing it'll be with the bluescreen or something similar

ty ty

[subtle bluff]

You'll do 30% less dmg.
Bluescreen on TS is better.

Why is everyone wanting bluescreen on OD.. Do I need to make a video showing how much less DPS bluescreen does on OD...

[spare idol]

true ive seen builds with both

[lone wadi]

prob cus they see teh free status application

[spare idol]

idr who it was but it was a build using bluescreen using ongoing and ts

[lone wadi]

status + status = good

[subtle bluff]

As a dps support sure...
Solo dps it's.... So much stuff left..

[soft crane]

Funnily enough I never use Bluescreen for OD

Good old Sadist + Pressure Point

[solar sable]

Killer ftw

[spare idol]

i ended up getting a proto mg5 with sadist so od might be pretty good for it for the constant bleed buffs

[viscid plaza]

@subtle bluff Do you ever make PVP builds? I want to try one that isn't just core strength for this upcoming Conflict event

[soft crane]

Why the hell your character has bunny ear?

[viscid plaza]

Bc its dope

[solar sable]

no, he's a PvE main

[shy willow]

There's a PvP starter guide in the spreadsheet pinned

[viscid plaza]

but

I wanna see what others are running, or thought of

[subtle bluff]

It's my alt toon. Idk... Random builds are on this too.

[subtle bluff]

At some point I'll do it.

[shy willow]

That is what other people are running, but mostly core strength

PvP is just a who can cheese the game the most contest 😭

[viscid plaza]

Intimidate shotgun with brazen seems interesting

I guess a more pointed question would be what directly counters say a bonk build

[lone wadi]

running away lol

stinger hive, sticky

[viscid plaza]

Running and disrupting my gameplay is kinda what they're aiming for I think

Those two skills make a lot of sense

[slate wedge]

i can help you if you want

[viscid plaza]

For sure

[smoky latch]

I re-rolled my proto mask 12x now at the cost of 25 cores. Fugg that

[slate wedge]

nobody told you to just get a new one?

[smoky latch]

At this point I might just prototype another Hollow Man. It's ridiculous

[slate wedge]

let’s go to #td2-pvp-discussions for that

[slate wedge]

should have done that before it even went to 16 cores per reroll

that’s the max i’d do (if it’s not a godroll of a unicorn or something)

[smoky latch]

I'll really consider that next time

Feels like certain items can't get certain augments

[shy willow]

They can the rng is just miserable sometimes

I burnt I think 200 cores on my eclipse mask

[smoky latch]

I got the same four augments the entire time

Pest or cholera

[lone wadi]

thats wild considering youll always get the 1.5 cores and proto status every time

[shy willow]

Proto cores are less valuable than exo components for me at this point😭

[sweet moon]

You are giving me such enthusiasm for re-rolling my (weirdly fitting, all things considered) Hollow Man

[smoky latch]

I hate that bottleneck so much. Shit needs to get adjusted. I can only spend so much time 😂

[shy willow]

You know the economy is busted when I'll readily spend hundreds of cores over 45 exotics 😭

[sweet moon]

Farming Proto cores is like: haha yippee, farming Exotic components is: Minecraft cave sound

[lone wadi]

good point

[shy willow]

Before they adjusted the drop rates it was like finding solid gold

Now it's like oh cool crunch

[sweet moon]

Hopefully with the amount that drop they make it so you can use some of them to optimise

[smoky latch]

I got some decent items tho

[lone wadi]

optimize is def outta the window in the near future

[shy willow]

I've dropped maybe 3 items that I've kept after several dozen T10 runs

Not impossible to get good stuff just rarer than not

[smoky latch]

Yeah

[flint arch]

my best drop so far is double crit providence knees

[smoky latch]

M4 w/ Killer and decent rolls for me. Even got a PS unicorn with double crits but I can't change the fuggin' core to WD 👏

[slate wedge]

They really need to make Proto items optimise-able and rerolls only give augments you didn’t get before

[smoky latch]

Apparently there's sth planned for the near future

[hazy steeple]

The former I can maybe see, but the latter has a 0% chance of ever happening.
Reduced cost maybe, since Expertise got it a few times.

[smoky latch]

But it won't be very pro player I'd imagine

I'd be fine with a lower cap for augment reroll costs

[slate wedge]

25 is insane btw

that’s like 5 T10 excalations only to get synesthesia for the 5th time

[hazy steeple]

I get that it's a high cost right now, but removing all farming needed does kinda defeat the purpose of the game.

[smoky latch]

Nah, no need. Capped at 10 is fine IMO

I don't wanna spit any unreasonable or unrealistic numbers but 10 seems fair for the current conditions

[hazy steeple]

I can see 10-ish being the new cap, since Expertise and all.

[past otter]

Anyone here did the math on what’s better for Lexington when it comes to passive mods? Max headshot or hybrid with mag size upgrade

Not sure if 28% more bullets outperform the additional headshot damage you get if you go full hsd

[smoky latch]

I use HSD, it's noticable

[subtle bluff]

Oh modifiers.

Mag size is more sustainable and mag dmg.
HSD is more DPS if you're hitting heads.

[past otter]

I feel like I could get my strikers stacks up more quickly with higher mag size. But then the 35% hsd you’re missing on… difficult.

[hazy steeple]

WH is nice for certain guns when you don't need the increased size, e.g, applications of Frenzy.

Gotta go with what works best for your specific version of the build.

[smoky latch]

Depends on how you stack Striker's

[past otter]

Say more

[smoky latch]

Wdym?

[past otter]

Wdym with „how you stack strikers“

Maybe I’m just dumb rn

[smoky latch]

Do you use a shotgun, SMG, AR, LMG?

[past otter]

Oh. I use Lexington as I said in initial post.

[smoky latch]

Gotcha. Measured?

[lone glacier]

I use Tempest, were not the same

(jk i dont)

[past otter]

Ye

[smoky latch]

Works decently with Measured. If you main an AR you should consider and SMG or shotgun as secondary

Depends on the activity and your build as well

[past otter]

So you’d go with mag size or full hsd

I use ouroboros as sec to get stacks up quickly

[lone glacier]

HSD is technically more DPS if you go for headshots, mag would be more sustain and msg damage

[smoky latch]

HSD

I mean I run a lot of Escalations lately so HSD comes in handy

[past otter]

Alr then I’m doing it right. Thx guys!

[lone glacier]

Convert 1 Off, Compress Off, Nullify for may HSD

[past otter]

Ye I run that.

[past otter]

Why does that only give me 126% hsd

[hazy steeple]

Are all your Active Modifiers (cloud armour, blackout pulse, etc) at rank 5?

[past otter]

Oh they ALL need to be?

Damn. I only have 2 of them at five.

[hazy steeple]

You should max out all 3, it gives you some very nice stats to play with.
My current range is 45/30/30 with 67.5% WH.

[flint tartan]

Very fun off meta build I’ve made that I run in tier 10 escalations.

[hazy steeple]

"off meta" here being code for "rolled dice in a pitch-black room"?

[flint tartan]

You understand me completely. 💕 @hazy steeple

[subtle bluff]

what's the end screen look like?

[flint tartan]

Me with 56 melee kills.

[subtle bluff]

Got a pic of that?

[smoky latch]

The build is off anything I might say

[subtle bluff]

The highest I've seen for that is 34 kills

[flint tartan]

Nothing new I just started again like 3 days ago saw a whole group punching and joined the fun.

[subtle bluff]

But also Sleep doesn't one shot purples

[smoky latch]

Some, not all

[flint tartan]

Just doesn’t one punch heavies all others it does.

[smoky latch]

Was surprised when that one gunner I tried it on didn't drop dead and punched me back

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't proc on elite and up...

[buoyant perch]

Nah, something tells me you ain't done sweet dream in tier 10

[smoky latch]

The (purple) gunners with full hp and armor don't drop dead instantly

[buoyant perch]

And enemies with damage reduction

[smoky latch]

Ah right. I still can't tell the modifier symbols apart

[flint tartan]

That’s what I mean full health gunners are the only ones I’ve encountered I can’t one punch.

[smoky latch]

Maybe I miscalculated on that dude and he had that modifier

[buoyant perch]

No you are correct. Some purple without DR have more than 100 mil total HP

[flint tartan]

Also helps if you play with friends or a team with coordination’s as I have I’d assume this with randos would be chaos.

[smoky latch]

I read values of 130m? I have no clue

It works with randoms from mm too

Not as many but I also use the Lullaby a lot in certain missions

[buoyant perch]

Buff maybe? Vanilla SD melee is 100 mil

[mystic quiver]

how close do enemies have to be to each other for Anchor to kick in?

Been working up to tier 6 and 7s in escalations and im not sure if i should just wipe the field of threats + the repairs first or gundown the anchors first

[smoky latch]

I'm not sure, ppl just wrote it as it's common knowledge

[hazy steeple]

I did get a screenshot years back of the SD doing about 2 billion damage on a hit, so .....I guess it varies.

[rocky rain]

What’s the fastest way to get Exotic components?

And, does leveling up Prototype gear goes faster if you have multiple pieces from the same set, as it does for Proficiency?

[balmy geyser]

Damn.. just looted this lex from the chest

Double damn.. Measured feels really good on Lex

[short verge]

lexington is such a great gun overall

[rocky igloo]

i destroy a exole wep how do i get bk

[subtle bluff]

Lex always comes roll with max stats

[subtle bluff]

You can't

[balmy geyser]

I was referring to the type of stats.. and the talent.

[rocky igloo]

fml

[subtle bluff]

The talents isn't make it green.

[balmy geyser]

?

Come again?

[subtle bluff]

The stats type over what other weapon?

[rocky igloo]

so no way to get capacitor bk

[subtle bluff]

nvm... It's just gonna get more confusing

[balmy geyser]

You're the confusing one, sir.

[static stirrup]

Can't think of measured a good weapon talent though...

[subtle bluff]

2nd best without need special things to proc

[balmy geyser]

Maybe start think.

Sorry, if i'm too sassy, Rivens will come yell at me and report me to HR. And it's too early.

[subtle bluff]

am I?

[balmy geyser]

mmm yes?

[subtle bluff]

Do you understand what the green means?

[short verge]

got the shroud sniper blueprint, headhunter and overdogs gotta be the obvious answer to that?

[balmy geyser]

Yes.

[subtle bluff]

Then showing what you show with context over the other weapons is kind of pointless

[balmy geyser]

Wait.. What are you trying to say? I really dont get it haha. I was referring to the stats on the Lexington.. I didnt compare it to whatever weapon i currently had equipped..

I'm genuinely so confused what you're trying to say.

The "green" had nothing to do with anything I was saying.

[subtle bluff]

Like I said nvm.. I'll just leave this.

[balmy geyser]

You're comparing accuracy/stability while I was talking about attributes and talent.

[short verge]

great conversation guys

[balmy geyser]

Someone translate...

[short verge]

i think there was a massive miscommunication, you said talents and they thought the weapon handling stats above it

[balmy geyser]

No, there was a misunderstanding on his end. I was pretty clear lmao.

aaaanyway.

Nice Lex.

[short verge]

yeah massive miscommunication

[balmy geyser]

Now's the question.. do I reroll Health damage and if yes, to what

[viscid plaza]

is it not an AR

[balmy geyser]

It is an AR sir.

[short verge]

it already got the best stats

[balmy geyser]

Would you keep Health damage?

[short verge]

uh you cant reroll the health

[balmy geyser]

I can't?

[viscid plaza]

Its AR's fixed stat

[short verge]

nay

[balmy geyser]

oh well that settles that then haha

[short verge]

Dont touch the stats tho!!!!!! lexington is beautiful as it is

[balmy geyser]

I have another one with Killer also. But I lowkey liked Measured

[viscid plaza]

Killer strong in lower tier escalation

[urban latch]

Every Lexington comes with max stats and dtooc. The only thing ever random on them is the talent which you can reroll anyways

[short verge]

Put stabilize on lexington

[balmy geyser]

Ah, I thought even DTTooC was random

[viscid plaza]

You should proto it , if you are exp 30

[balmy geyser]

Guys. Am I exp 30?

[viscid plaza]

Guessing no

[balmy geyser]

No, i am not. Because it's been a bitchin moaning topic of mine multiple times haha

[viscid plaza]

Sorry, I'll put that in my notes

[balmy geyser]

hahaha np bro

No but thats what I thought originally.. That the Attribute also was random.. And that I was just lucky to get DTTooC

Now it clicked.

What other talent, beside Flatline and Killer would you want on a Lex?

[viscid plaza]

Optimist is decent

[balmy geyser]

Yea, I can see that. But I think that's more relevant for console players no?

[nocturne current]

Originaly if you didnt know Lexington was first only for Veteran player's

[viscid plaza]

Nope, optimist is good in general

[balmy geyser]

gotcha

[balmy geyser]

Really? Damn.. Gatekeeping a weapon like this seems a bit.. cunty

[nocturne current]

And exsclusive skins award for example if you played since beta (which i did) you'll get a gold award skin

[viscid plaza]

Strangely I got the Lexington gold but not the Stack Broker gold

[nocturne current]

Have you played on Beta version?

[balmy geyser]

Not TD2, no

[nocturne current]

for the stack broker i meant sorry

[balmy geyser]

ah

[viscid plaza]

No, only from official launch

[nocturne current]

Yeah you only get that gold skin if you played beta

[viscid plaza]

Its ok, I make my ACS purple anyway

[balmy geyser]

Ok, so riddle me this, which one would you use in my scenario?

[viscid plaza]

What is the Carbines talent

[balmy geyser]

Flatline

[viscid plaza]

For like non escalation the Carbine is still really good

[balmy geyser]

With these stats

[viscid plaza]

Escalation content has to be the Lexington

[rocky igloo]

any 1 have floor 100 summit

[viscid plaza]

The mods would be like "omg put that in lfg" and you'd be like "oops my bad"

[balmy geyser]

What he's trying to say is... #lfg-pc

[viscid plaza]

I can't even tag that as I marked being on PS

[balmy geyser]

I chuckled.

[devout iris]

in what build does the new ar the agitator belong?

[nocturne current]

What i know so far for the agitator take it as a Dodge city holster talent as far as i gathered

[heady terrace]

Heyya! sub 100 hours into the game, used to do a lot of mixing and matching, but thought of going all into aggressive dps, any advice? where / what to build towards?
thanks

[exotic talon]

put a good talent on your lex

killer measured or strained

[heady terrace]

heard killer is a good one

[solar sable]

read the Lvl40 Starters Guide bc it's what will determine your path

[solar sable]

That, Back&Forth and Measured

[heady terrace]

Curious what makes back&forth good? Not currently in game to check myself

[solar sable]

9% AWD when swapping to your weapon, doesn't require much skill, just tap 3 > 1 every few seconds

IIRC it's every 15 seconds

[heady terrace]

Sounds like a lot of micro ngl, I'd constantly forget about that

Been going back n forth with using killer and this

Also, how's the first blossom? I don't see many people use it over the lex

[solar sable]

it's really not that great as many people make it look like

[nocturne current]

If you really really want a beginner friendly build Heartbreaker

[heady terrace]

I got a friend that uses a tanky heartbreaker build

Been wanting to do a tanky build myself, but I'd have to work on a whole new armour set, so I'll focus on my main first

[solar sable]

do you like shooting nerf darts in terms of dmg?

or do you like enemies not standing a chance against you?

[exotic talon]

i mean, blue core heartbreaker definitely works when you pair it with bighorn

[heady terrace]

No, but being near invincible is quite funny + bonus points if you're taking the heat off your friends

[exotic talon]

issue is you cant be near invincible and also draw aggro in this game

threat generation is purely based on dps
tank builds cant tank for anyone else

[heady terrace]

I went into pure DPS dakka, next build I thought of was a support of some kind

[nocturne current]

Ongoing directive is a nice support build

[exotic talon]

future initiative lets you do decent skill dps and heal
refactor lets you do good skill dps and chip heal

[heady terrace]

I'll have to look into those later

[exotic talon]

also look into scorpio and sledgehammer

[soft crane]

Oh whoops

[exotic talon]

i saw what you deleted

[soft crane]

Shush

[solar sable]

i mean she's cute

[soft crane]

Wife indeed

[solar sable]

the guide I sent shows some other builds so... take your time reading the entire thing

[heady terrace]

Wonder if looking at the leaderboards and making my builds of those was a good idea 🙃

[exotic talon]

mine's ntw20 from girls frontline
i wish she appeared in more games than bf2042

[solar sable]

I didn't spend hours on it for nothing 🥴

[heady terrace]

Yeah, I opened it up on another tabfor later before going on my phone for now, needed to do things

[exotic talon]

honestly your striker build is perfect except for streamline on lex, good on you for studying

people come in here with the most wack striker builds ive seen

[heady terrace]

Least I'm on a good path lmao

[solar sable]

whoever showed you that build is some good person

bc if you came here with something like this... idk

(this was done by me to piss @flint arch off)

[heady terrace]

Looked around the leaderboards and 2-3 yt vids, the rest of the research was trying to find where to get the damn things kekw

[balmy geyser]

So.. whats this (Red thingy)

[short verge]

got myself the shroud sniper, instantly went to pair it with chainkiller and overdogs because why not, turmoil to take advantage of the overkill damage

what else could i use to make this this thing pop off?

[exotic talon]

3pc hotshot, chainkiller, airaldi bp with vigilance, fox's prayer

[heady terrace]

Thinking about farming for the exodus gloves for clutch survivability for my build, but I dunno just yet

[fierce ether]

Is good guys? Just need to change test subject for harmony but dumno if being an skill build is ok, maybe there are more better for solo content

[cerulean mica]

habsburg bp is better for that

[exotic talon]

airaldi gives mmr damage, habsburg gives hsd
increasing your base damage is more important when you already have 200%+ hsd

habsburg has a higher mmr damage boost but its at two pieces, airaldi is at one piece

[exotic talon]

this is good but you might get better mileage from glass cannon

[short verge]

imma try that setup, just keeping the turmoil cuz i love seeing overkill damage spill over to some nonsense like here

[fierce ether]

Yes glass cannon would be perfect

Ill farm it

[exotic talon]

issue with turmoil is that if you cant overkill, you just halved your damage output on the intended target for no reason

[short verge]

i apologize for my trash sniping skill