td2-build-advice

[oak flume]

is there another exotic i should swap to for more dmg? or anything else i should change - the wep perk

[lone glacier]

But thats not pvgc striker

[willow ocean]

Why would you consider swapping an exotic weapon?

[oak flume]

yeah this is my current build or 1 of the 2 main ones i use other one is a bloodsucker striker build

[oak flume]

just wondering if a diff one would give me more dmg or something just asking

[lone glacier]

ACS/Lefty/Rock n Roll/Stack Broker for Striker stacks stacking would be one thing you could use instead of Scorpio

[gentle lichen]

Iron lung ❤️‍🩹

[oak flume]

yeah i used to run rnr but found i never really used it lol so i swapped to scorpio to help handle hunters/ronins and stuff along those lines, i find i use it more then a stack builder

[lone glacier]

But I'd switch to Killer / Measured / Back n Forth on the Lex

[oak flume]

still swap off to lefty for raids or big bosses tho for that dmg amp

[gentle lichen]

Iron lung basically has great burst and built-in cc that doesn't require anything but holding down trigger

[oak flume]

yeah i use measured on my blood sucker build but this build has no survivability and i mostly run solo so i like to have some just for comfortability

[oak flume]

im a lmg hater no offense

[lone glacier]

The faster you kill, the higher your survibability..

[solar sable]

offense was already taken... 😭

[lone glacier]

10/20 armor repair just not worth it.

[gentle lichen]

Gunner aok lowkey clutch if i micromanage armor

[lone glacier]

The longer the fight, the higher chance of you dying

[oak flume]

imo for solo play it is i hit for 1.35m per shot and drop most stuff instantly also pretty good with headshots so 20% hp per kill when im getting jumped by 20 gold bars is pretty nice

same reason i used blood sucker for so long apart from raids or when i have someone with a heal build obv

[lone glacier]

I mean you do you, Im just giving you advice.

[oak flume]

i mean in the orignal message i said - the wep perk lol thats all

[lone glacier]

Because there's no reason at all to run blue cores or non damage increasing talents on a DPS build..

[oak flume]

not saying your advice was bad just for me i enjoy some comfortability in solo play

[lone glacier]

If you're asking what you could change but then don't want to change anything don't make sense to me one bit.

[oak flume]

i literally said i was willing to change anything but the weapon perk lol and if part of the suggestion offered some survivability i would be down to change it

its a solo play build not a raid dps build

[lone glacier]

Okay so? I run full red striker just fine.. the 5% increase in survivability vs potentially a 10+% DPS increase just don't make sense

[oak flume]

personally i just enjoy not having to sit behind cover for 15 mins waiting on stuff to peak so i like having some survivability in solo play crucify me 🤷‍♂️

[lone glacier]

Then you're doing something wrong. Pixel peek, abuse health gating.

[solar sable]

have you tried memento?

[oak flume]

yeah i used to run that a lot on console but i found blood sucker more enjoyable going and picking up the drops was kinda annoying but i still enjoy it for dz sometimes

[willow ocean]

Same for me

[oak flume]

might try it out again soon but for now i try to stay away from it

[willow ocean]

Good point man

[willow sigil]

are you running a ua backpack?

[lone glacier]

There's a reason why a guide like this exists

[oak flume]

this was my blood sucker build vs current one im trying out

[willow sigil]

i like the 2 blue, thats what i use if i run blood

[oak flume]

this one hits a good bit harder then bloodsucker but obv takes a decent hit in survivability but i think it should be fine

[willow sigil]

i think if youre not going to run bloodsucker, theres no need to run any blues

[oak flume]

planning on dropping the one blue when i get higher expertise lvl i like to be at or above 1mill armor

o wait the 2nd build is only one blue oops ig it didnt save right

[warped musk]

what exotic gear would pair well with bullet king and the tipping skales gearset

rn im rocking the exotic mask with the build that creates a cloud that repairs my armor

[gentle lichen]

Overdogs

[solar sable]

overdogs

[warped musk]

what does overdogs do?

[lone glacier]

The answer is always Overdogs

30% damage amp if you target the right enemy

[willow ocean]

Who are the Overdogs?

[gentle lichen]

That's right
What is overdogs?

[warped musk]

what gear type is it?

[flint arch]

gloves

[lone glacier]

Gloves

[oak flume]

they really gotta buff some of the non used exotics all i see now are the same 4 overdogs, coyotes, memento, and catharsis

[warped musk]

okay sweet, just wanted to make sure it wasnt backpack or body armor

[oak flume]

seems like everything else is just a exotic component waiting to be used

[willow ocean]

Gloves

[gentle lichen]

Bro doesn't use nimble holster 💀

[oak flume]

dont think ive ever even heard of that ngl

[gentle lichen]

Cover to cover get armor
The armor regen rate of it is actually insane

[oak flume]

i think its genuinely been over a year since ive done cover to cover movement lmao

[gentle lichen]

Use it with firewall to give yourself 40% bonus armor while doing a cover to cover to guard your armor regen

[flint arch]

cover to cover is very powerful. it lowers the chance of you getting hit to a comical degree

[oak flume]

seems like a very obnoxious conflict build 😂

[gentle lichen]

You don't HAVE to use it 24/7 just when you need to so grab your striker shield and push in

[oak flume]

is that holster just a random drop?

[solar sable]

nb is a pvp player but very knowledgeable in pve too

[gentle lichen]

Not really used often

Cause cover to cover is very predictable in pvp you're literally running a straight line you can figure what happens

[oak flume]

i played since day one on console but swapped to pc like hard maybe 2 years ago now but didnt get div2 back until that crazy sale a month or 2 ago so i was away for like 2.5 years or so

was hoping theyd add cross save at some point but ig ubi is still in 2010

[summer flax]

this ok ?

amma stash it just in case

[solar sable]

what attributes?

[summer flax]

crit damage. rifle damage and mag size

[solar sable]

if it only was dtoc

[summer flax]

so target Dtoc overall then

[solar sable]

stash it, maybe you'll need it when recalibration comes for proto

always

[summer flax]

alrightie.

[slender basalt]

So TS is not comparable to Strikers then for higher end escalation?

[solar sable]

usable for T4 and below

[slender basalt]

Hmm okay thanks. I guess ill just stick with my strikers set up then. 😂

[subtle bluff]

Quickly when you compare the 2, Striker+Chest has about 20% more DPS over TS.
The 2nd thing is that if TS ever goes down you're gonna lose alll your stacks where the striker should still have some.

[slender basalt]

Ahh fair, ive only used strikers since playing really, was considering making a TS build but if it is just worse in damage I don't see a point really other than memes.

[slender basalt]

Is there a point you would consider using bag+chest for strikers in escalation or not really worth losing obliterate?

[subtle bluff]

TS does do a lil more than striker w/o chest but the balance is the same thing with stacks.

[subtle bluff]

When things are bullet sponges and you can stack easily by just shooting them a lot.

[gentle lichen]

this is a totally reasonable foam grenade size

[slender basalt]

Alright so I guess the team you're running with also matters a bit on if you're able to get enough stacks to make it worth.

[subtle bluff]

The idea with chest is that if you fight long enough or are able to pre stack safely is the only time it's good.

[regal dock]

@smoky latch i followed your advice and swapping the purist with gear shift and using it as main, its real good.
centurion scabard is also surprisingly good with it, though i tried swapping the backpack with the vigil and damage drops quite significantly, so i went back to using equalizer as chest and striker Backpack

[pallid harness]

So for T10 is Strikers the only right answer for DPS at this point?

[subtle bluff]

Pretty much. The Striker guide has small write up for it.

[last schooner]

how hard is it to reach T5 solo?

[solar sable]

not that much

[regal dock]

probably just a slog, since youre solo

[solar sable]

T4 is the comfy spot imho

[last schooner]

and what's T5 proto drop rate?

[solar sable]

0.80

[last schooner]

80%?

[solar sable]

theres a zero and a point lol

it wont let me put % after that

[last schooner]

oh 0.8%...yikes

[regal dock]

hmmmmm...
striker bp and chest are necessary..
since they hemmmmm

[solar sable]

strikers chest for high tier escalation? yes
for legendary? maybe
incursion? hell yes
Open World? hell nah

[patent fossil]

it's not that bad in practice since they added proto to target loot, can usually get 3-4 items on a regular mission (it varies quite a lot in practice, but 3-4 seems an approximate average)

[regal dock]

the last one cannot be truer than that
but maybe yes for retal if you are aggressive

[last schooner]

Always run Striker BP

[warped musk]

which gear set would be best for a sniper build that focuses on weapon handeling

if there is any

[solar sable]

@warped musk that ☝️

[warped musk]

ty

[lunar solstice]

How can I enable this? This is buildstation.app

[subtle bluff]

You don't. It's WIP

Calculation in buildstation is WIP

[lunar solstice]

Aah ok, thx!

[flint arch]

heroic enemies die too quickly so its not great even during retal

the problem is that you need to get your stacks fast, otherwise you will effectively be running no talent on your chest for half the fight

[regal dock]

true that

[lament lily]

Which would be better to use atm?

[outer agate]

anyone got any good rifle dps builds? i checked the spreadsheet but 90% are outdated and not what i need lol

[lone glacier]

Lexington

[bleak nest]

🤔 can anyone help me out with a decent striker build

[smoky latch]

The First Bloom is a situational weapon. Lexington is better overall when it has a damage talent

[last schooner]

When is a good time to use it? Only against the Kitsunabe dudes?

[smoky latch]

Especially against those but also good against chungas

[junior lagoon]

I like it against hunters in countdown

[smoky latch]

And those too

[wraith hull]

Is there a definitive FI/Birdie setup? Ensuring I pickup the appropriate mods and such. Prioritizing appropriate stats.

[smoky latch]

4x FI, Birdie's, Alps chest with Empathic Resolve or and Alps gear piece works

Repair Skills on everything and Skill Haste mods

This is for Escalations. A general FI build looks different, hang on

[wraith hull]

I prefer to setup for hardest content, presumably works in lower levels

[smoky latch]

#td2-build-advice message

Best general FI build

I prefer skill haste mods personally, up to you what you run

[smoky latch]

That's not always the case, BTW

Hence the differentiation

[signal rune]

Anyone have a picture of the dps build for escalation

[cinder girder]

Is this worth building around?

[smoky latch]

Generally yes but you want DTOC instead of CHC

[cinder girder]

And you also want determined on it also no?

[smoky latch]

Either that or Streamline. Didn't check your talent lol

[languid wasp]

How bad is one blue core in Escalation?

[smoky latch]

What tier?

[languid wasp]

like in general, it's blue core Hollow Mask with chc/chd

[smoky latch]

In general, useless

Get a Hollow Man with CHC or CHD so you can roll the core to WD

[lament lily]

would u say grown great is a decent smg to pair with it, the drum gun happens to be my fav irl i use it in every game that has it so to see it in division im tempted. If not then what smg would be a nice pair

[languid wasp]

Damn, it's that bad

[smoky latch]

Yeah, less WD and your armor breaks on higher tiers sort of immediately anyways

[ashen bear]

If you’re doing a one shot headshot chainkill build for the 1886, probably for ease of use you want determined …if you’re extremely confident, boomerang or rifleman

[languid wasp]

I'm more afraid of harvesters rather than little tiny extra armor tho but I'll take ur advice, thanks.

[solar berry]

That pic shows sledgehammer on a Proto

[languid wasp]

naur

Other than determined or streamline, it's free proto core for 1886

[smoky latch]

Yes I know but as I said, haven't looked at it :p

[languid wasp]

pretty sure no one is crazy enough to go melee attack with 1886 ( unless I haven't played long enough to find one )

[cinder girder]

But you can't change a talent and an attribute right?

[languid wasp]

which is why you need one weapon with your own desired attributes and talent for your build, kinda hard but obtainable.

[cinder girder]

I see, thanks

[subtle bluff]

Decon you didn’t get either thing you need.

even worse since it’s proto like mention above.

Weapons you’ll end up exp anyways… Weapons have a lot of RNG for getting a unicorn.

[cinder girder]

Aye just trying to find new builds i guess, because my striker build feels so meh Especially in escal's but i'll get there i suppose

[subtle bluff]

In escalation, unfortunately you’re stuck with the meta. For everything else you’d can do other things.

[solar sable]

the Lvl40 Starters Guide has a list of various builds but the pinned Spreadsheet has all of them

[lapis fiber]

@analog meteor

So when you first go to the gas mask you click on the left analog stck then when you see the inventory options bellow scroll down to the bottom where it saids "always show mask" then click off or on 👍

[analog meteor]

Um

I did that and I still can't open chat...

[lapis fiber]

Did you click on the left analog stick when you have the gas mask inventory opened up like this?

Cause you do that first

[analog meteor]

Still can't open it

[ashen bear]

Yeah, not on prototypes

[lapis fiber]

@analog meteor so just scroll down to where it saids "always show mask" you should be able to just scroll down

[analog meteor]

Nothing

[lapis fiber]

Then idk what tell ya sorry, is your control settings on like mouse, keyboard, controller or something???

[languid wasp]

should I run Hollow Man and Contractor Gloves in the same instance for high tier escalation?

[analog meteor]

No keyboard plugged in

So frustrating

Literally gonna break my down D-pad button

Disabled, re-enabled setting

10/10 game

[languid wasp]

Only one way, try re-install also bring this topic to #unofficial-troubleshooting

[fleet gulch]

Is Picarro's Holster good these days, in particular on builds that like stacking cores?

[smoky latch]

PvP yes, PvE not really

[flint arch]

so someone running around with birdies, improvised gear and revive hive is meta for escalation?

[subtle bluff]

If you kwtd you kwtd… Even that isn’t meta but is a way to do it.

[flint arch]

I'm used to dying 21 times in t10 thanks to him

[west shore]

what is this talent?

[smoky latch]

Hotshot. I feel like I need glasses now

[smoky latch]

Bro 😭

[soft crane]

Whuh?

[lone glacier]

corrupt you okay?

[flint arch]

blue PVGC Core Strength

[lone glacier]

bro..

[soft crane]

@smoky latch Should I just change the sub attribute to DTOC?

OH COME ON!!!

Lets go gambling! ALL IN!!!

wdf all yellow

Wait, I could use this for my CC build.

+15% Skill Efficiency

[smoky latch]

Si

[soft crane]

btw, what does skill efficiency do?

[smoky latch]

Ppl call it WH for skills. Boosts all sub categories of Utility

[soft crane]

increase status effect duration and damage?

[smoky latch]

Everything

[hybrid leaf]

How does tamper-proof strikers build work? What exactly stuns enemies when they get close to your skill proxies?

[stone cedar]

Hard time choosing between these, left is MK46 right is Stoner both have frenzy

my issue is frenzy has a better flow on mk46

[hazy steeple]

Ideally you want CHC on either.

I wouldn't put too much work into them until you get that.

[stone cedar]

sitting on 58% chc atm

[hazy steeple]

The idea behind having CHC on your LMG, is that you can have other rolls on the rest of your gear.
Lets you really stack up that CHD. You can tweak the gun mods too that way.

e.g. mine needs to be redone, since with the proto buffs, I'm now hitting like 58% without a single gun crit mod.

[stone cedar]

but the rest has chd?

[hazy steeple]

Nope, which is why I've gotta redo it.
Just waiting for an Expertise Event since I stupidly added 30 to all gear already, before the price-reductions.

[soft crane]

uwaaarrgghhhh I cant get full reds investor

[gentle lichen]

Dth one is quite appealing

[smoky latch]

Gimme your exo comps if you waste them on this, I need more proto Lexington's

[gentle lichen]

I put 80 components on investor for a triple blue to no avail

[languid wasp]

wtf?

[gentle lichen]

But i got my full red immediately..

[soft crane]

gggrrrrhhhhh

[fleet gulch]

Not even for say, Core Strength?

[smoky latch]

Core Strength also isn't really good in PvE

Picaro's maybe with 1pc UA if you wanna play some hybrid solo

[fleet gulch]

I'm trying to see if there's any shenanigans I can do with Ninja Bike backpack, and the free skill tier from Picarro doesn't seem bad TBH.

[shy willow]

You can try but it just won't be very good

[gentle lichen]

Not much outside of pvp

[fleet gulch]

It's for solo play anyways.

If ya'll had to choose though, which would ya'll say is overall better? Left is with generic Providence Defense holster, right is Piccaro holster.

[soft crane]

GOD DAMN IT

Come on god damn it, give me all red. Why are you doing this to me??!

okay?

[languid wasp]

Bread

You're probably holding top 1 Doctor Home enjoyer rn

[merry stone]

any cool or named gloves to go with striker

[solar sable]

what does your build look like?

[merry stone]

generic striker with a meme exotic chest piece(ridgeways pride)

[subtle bluff]

Hotshot just does more.

And give more.

[balmy geyser]

Managed to roll a perfect all red core Investor.. Running a Striker build with Lexington with the Killer talent.. Question is. is there a cap/diminishing return on crit damage? Should a change Killer talent to something else?

[soft crane]

Bruh, lucky you.

I've spent hundreds of exotic comps and thousands of other materials.

[balmy geyser]

You're gonna get even more pissed when I say i didnt even spend 10 to get it

[soft crane]

Anyway yeah CHD starts to give diminishing return at 300% imo.

God damn it. My luck has been terrible today.

[balmy geyser]

So no risk of wasting CHD then

exited for this build. Shuold slap hard

[soft crane]

I hate it when it all comes down to luck because I know damn well I will lose.

I've been looking for Airaldi backpack with decent rolls and cant find it.

Trying to get all Reds for Investor and didnt get it either.

And now the server is tripping.

[balmy geyser]

Trust me, I know what you mean. Luck is normally something i rarely come across. This is an anomaly for me.

Glad im able to move away from overdogs, never liked that exotic due to the hierarchy/rank bs

[soft crane]

I think its time to accept the fact its impossible to get all reds for Investor.

Me: Why it isnt possible?
Game: Its just not.
Me: WHY NOT YOU STUPID BASTARD??!

[subtle bluff]

Dunno if I even reach that high in the season yet

[mellow flint]

i need. more CHD.

[cold cedar]

Is that a decent setup or will it get smeared running in and not gunning?

[solar sable]

I wouldnt advice running that as a main, you'll shoot nerf darts

[soft crane]

If you want DPS/Tank hybrid build go with Heartbreaker.

[soft crane]

4 blue cores and turmoil on top of that.

[smoky latch]

You won't even get the kills to proc your Bloodsucker to proc Intimidate. Don't build this

[cold cedar]

something like this?

[solar sable]

i'd switch HB bag for mask and Ceska bag with Vigilance

[verbal hill]

what the best 2 lmgs for a tinkerer tipping scales build?

[ashen maple]

The best build is to put tinkerers in the stash and not use it until its fixed properly

[solar sable]

gr9 for the mag size

[verbal hill]

it seems to be working ok on my non prototyped rifle build

I am allergic to escalation so

[cold cedar]

45%PFE will be enought to get tanky with 3mil armor(hb stacked)?

[subtle bluff]

How are you gonna pulse things just by trying to HS things at first?

[subtle bluff]

PFE alone doesn’t make you “tankie”

[cold cedar]

headshot or change skill didn't thought about it yet

[subtle bluff]

If it did everyone would run PFE and it’d be meta.

[merry stone]

is chameleon good now after buffs?

[cold cedar]

fair point but I've never used it to be honest, always used sniper or was just a glass cannon

[glacial rapids]

Damn, what build is this?

[soft crane]

Probably the Tipping.

[mellow flint]

i just be making bullshit

[fair dragon]

With PFE youll need armor regen

[analog meteor]

As a healer and just now learning the potential of healing in this game is it good to run measured assembly with btsu gloves?

[smoky latch]

Future Initiative, MA has better use in PvP I might say

[rocky egret]

You could run heartbreaker with all red cores for the damage, 3 pfe gear mods and another 22.5% pfe from global modifiers, + 10% from survivalist around 60% pfe without sacrificing too much damage

[soft crane]

Future Initiative for pure support/heal and Refactor for turret/drone skill damage while also heal.

After 400+ exotic componens Im certain I've got every single rolls for Investor EXCEPT all Reds.

[soft crane]

Literally got all yellow and blue.

Its practically impossible for me to get all reds for Investor at this point.

Cant even get Airaldi backpack with the right talent or attributes. The hell is wrong with my luck today?

[still yew]

Tipping scales or hearthbreaker for running solo?

[smoky latch]

Striker's

[still yew]

hm. i've been running that but im made of paper.

[smoky latch]

Practice. TS won't change that

[still yew]

so you think this will just do fine instead of TS or HB?

[smoky latch]

I wouldn't run that AR but otherwise, yes

Overdogs not always recommended for higher Escal tiers

I'd say up to T5 it's OK

[still yew]

what is recommended then?

[smoky latch]

• MK46/M249B with Frenzy
• Scorpio/Sweet Dreams or Lexington with Measured or Back and Forth

[long dove]

is this good for any build?

[smoky latch]

Nah

[frosty rivet]

Eh it's flatline, the talent is useable

[rare isle]

anyone has pestilence build?

[lone glacier]

The weapon isn't.

[frosty rivet]

I guess thats true, although wasn't the apartment a sig? Or did perfect measured carry it

[grizzled garnet]

@rare isle ^

[soft crane]

Ah, its the pain in the ass to build, build.

God damn it another all blue roll.

[grizzled garnet]

This is an different build but needs you to build stacks which can be painful solo

[soft crane]

I've been wasting my time by playing Div 2 today. 10 hours of farming and made 0 progress on my Hotshot build.

[grizzled garnet]

😢

[soft crane]

Cant get all red attributes for Investor mask either. I freaking hate this game sometimes.

[grizzled garnet]

you going for 4pc or 3pc hotshot?

[soft crane]

This one. I've been looking for that god forsaken Airaldi backpack with the right attributes.

10 freaking hours and I've made 0 progress on that build.

[grizzled garnet]

ye thats what i run

i use recon drone and decoy

[soft crane]

WTF another all blue roll.

[grizzled garnet]

truly a unicorn :3

[gentle lichen]

Where are these rolls when i need them

[soft crane]

I got full yellow once, and full blue thrice and NOT A SINGLE full red.

[rare isle]

what talent is viable for lexington

[soft crane]

Killer for solo, or Measured for groups.

Forth and Back can be good if you know how to use it.

[rare isle]

thanks

[flint arch]

back and forth*

[rare isle]

what set/brand should i run with lexington?

[strong cave]

Never understood giving a backhand with a forehand

[lone glacier]

4pc Striker, Equalizer Chest, Overdogs gloves

[soft crane]

Yee yee ahh strikers.

[flint arch]

@solar sable im going to force you to change the level 40 guide to recommend PVGC striker instead

[normal shadow]

What would you substitute Overdogs with? In a 4 piece Striker that is.

[gentle lichen]

Ceska

Wait esc? Go hollowman

[flint arch]

The Gift

actually I wonder, for t10

[forest adder]

is this already good build? plan to farming tonight

[flint arch]

it might be good to have 1 person running hollow man, 1 person running contractor, 1 person running overdogs, and a FI healer in the back

[flint arch]

tipping scales guide

[normal shadow]

The Hollow Man? Haven't got a unicorn yet. Still has a blue core attribute.

[flint arch]

you can use contractor's as a substitute

[forest adder]

tq sir

[high dagger]

I like tinkerer with my tipping scales, frenzy + strained made my gr9 shoot 1.3m dmg to the body. Granted, if the stacks activates

[flint arch]

my issue with TS is that it takes 592 trillion years to get your stacks and 5 seconds to lose them all

[normal shadow]

So just go four pieces Striker, Equalizer and Contractor's?

[flint arch]

striker w/ chest and backpack, contractor, a ceska piece

though this is only for escalation. outside of it you run standard striker

[normal shadow]

Yeah I'm thinking of higher Escalation tiers especially.

[flint arch]

[forest adder]

so its better to use pestilence i see, is there any way to get big alejandro? i just playing again after taking break for like 2 years

[flint arch]

also if you're feeling confident in your ability to not get shot, you can replace the striker backpack with a ceska vigilance bag instead

[high dagger]

Big Alejandro blueprint can be obtained through True Sons retal, iirc.

[normal shadow]

I am not, thankyouverymuch.

[normal shadow]

Contractor's and one piece of Ceska would both want DTOOC, right?

[flint arch]

you can't get dttooc on other pieces

foxes has them because its a named attribute and is unique to it, otherwise the only place it can appear is on your gun

[normal shadow]

Oh it's crit chance then, I see.

[flint arch]

get as close to 60% CHC without overcapping, then dump the rest of your stats into CHD

[normal shadow]

This is known, yeah.

[flint arch]

[forest adder]

aight tq sir

[urban latch]

It absolutely is worth running

[flint arch]

ono its raucey

[prisma knoll]

So for a refactor skill build.

I have capacitor and the mop.

I’m running 4p with impetus chest and force multiplier bag.

Is there a better setup? Running chest and bag of the set makes you tankier and provide more healing but you do less damage, yea?

I have a question about in sync. Does having a drone active just constantly refresh the skill portion of the buff?

[weak quail]

I like using birdie bag for legendary to make even bad randoms useful

[weak quail]

In sync refreshes every time you and/or the skills do damage iirc. You can see the buff icons to tell

So a striker drone should keep refreshing it yeah

[halcyon sentinel]

in tipping scale, the weapon want sadist?

[summer totem]

Personally either frenzy or measured for me

[halcyon sentinel]

oh yea sry frenzy

[high dagger]

with Tinkerer, what are good talents mix and match you guys would reccomend?

Currently I'm using AK (Strained) + FAL (Optimist) with heartbreaker

[woeful zodiac]

Is First Sight a good weapon?

[halcyon sentinel]

i have this i just dont know if i should craft again and find god roll or just optimize it

[high dagger]

I have frenzy and strained with tinkerer

[woeful zodiac]

I got a prototype version with fast hands

[halcyon sentinel]

i could change the damage to armor to crit rate and change my mod to crit damage, but back to the first question, should i just optimize it or craft again?

[high dagger]

I would say farm again, since optimizing is pretty expensive. But that's just me

maybe ChC would be good, as long as your ChC won't go pass the 60 cap

[halcyon sentinel]

i change the gun stat to crit rate, and change the muzzle to crit damage. i could get 60% but lost 10% crit damage. but i guess with TS you dont need crit damage?

[high dagger]

not really, since TS raises ChD anyway right

holy shit, I only had 60/123. yours is better than mine

[halcyon sentinel]

okay i guess i'll stay with 60% crit rate then

[urban latch]

You absolutely want 60% crit chance on TS

[halcyon sentinel]

yea but i lack that dtooc and weapon damage a bit haha

[high dagger]

this is mine

[halcyon sentinel]

i got help with cezka

[halcyon sentinel]

i do have this one, got one from cache

[high dagger]

could work if you can optimize it

[halcyon sentinel]

those are proto, so sadly cant

[fierce ether]

Refactor empress or rigger, guys? What is better in skill builds terms?

[normal shadow]

Is there a reason you're not going for U-Hana?

[high dagger]

never ran escal or play around proto before. My bad

[fierce ether]

Refactor goes with hana-u

[normal shadow]

Oh I see, you're asking which of the three is best? I guess it depends on the modes you're playing and if you're going solo or in a team. Refactor seems to be good especially solo because it heals you as well as deals damage.

[fierce ether]

I usually play solo and just retaliations for now until i get all blueprints

[high dagger]

do you guys have a guideline for Hunter's fury build? this current one (57/124.9) feels lacking in dmg

[urban latch]

That's pretty much the crit setup

[high dagger]

maybe I just dont like the fast RoF guns, I'll try to looks for SMGs I like

[subtle bluff]

You have to kill to get it going and chaining kills to stack it's power.

[subtle bluff]

Stained on TS isn't that much of a buff due to making so much CHD already.

[subtle bluff]

You can reconfigure the dta to CHC.

[buoyant perch]

I like firewall spec for amp damage from striker shield

[halcyon mauve]

Trying out hunter’s fury build. Should I swap any gear on this? Still pretty new

[urban latch]

Swap out the chest backpack and knees. Ridgeways is basically useless, HF backpack isn't nearly as good as a high end talent or memento, and turmoil just doesn't fit in the build.

[whole willow]

can go for heroic or it can be better?

[urban latch]

It's a fairly standard striker build

[whole willow]

can go for heroic or no?

[livid sorrel]

get better attributes on the mask and chest and you're good

[whole willow]

alright thanks

[whole willow]

do i find 3 red for mask?

[livid sorrel]

you want red attributes on everything

[whole willow]

alright thanks

[lilac carbon]

Does anyone have any recommendations on a tank status build? I have a high end healing build and wanted to make a tank build

[livid sorrel]

tank build...

[lilac carbon]

My aim is to be in the front line to help start the fight and be the focus so my team can move or heal but thanks for that

[flint arch]

i should probably also add the "tanks are completely useless in high tier escalation" part

[lilac carbon]

That’s crucial lmao i needed that info

[flint arch]

tanks can work in stuff like legendary but they only "excel" if its a very tightly constrained space

[subtle bluff]

Knowledge and gameplay become more important than the build then.

[patent fossil]

High tier/overcharged decoy is probably best for that task since it can reliably pull aggro

[flint arch]

they also need to constantly proc vanguard and galvanize to actually be helpful because we really don't have a taunt ability and that's kinda the only other thing you can do if you're a tank

you need to use something like Scorpio to CC the enemies

and you need to really make sure the other 3 people are good DPS players, because you really need the enemies to die FAST. if they don't die fast enough, you lose enemy aggro and everyone dies

[lilac carbon]

Thanks I’ll keep looking into something else. My healing build is pretty nice solo healing legendary difficulty

[normal shadow]

I'd probably go for Refactor at that point.

[rare isle]

whats a good secondary for lexington

[flint arch]

that question is usually for a build, not for a specific gun

if we're talking about striker, something like a SMG-9 with measured/unwavering will work well

[short verge]

whatever you wanna vibe with

[normal shadow]

Or a shotgun? ACS-12 maybe with Brazen. Or an LMG.

[rare isle]

thanks guys

[hallow arch]

Just got Firewall, are there any builds yall can recommend?

[whole willow]

can i do crit damage on mask ? or is it better with chc and chd

[livid sorrel]

either is fine as long as it's a decent ratio

[halcyon sentinel]

for esca, TS would you go backpack and chest with salvo, or equilizer chest?

[whole willow]

alright

@livid sorrel like this ok?

[livid sorrel]

yeah

[whole willow]

sorry wrong @livid sorrel

do i optimize? or just keep it like that

[flint arch]

with any red gear set pieces its generally better to just keep farming until at least one of the stats is maxed, its way cheaper that way

[whole willow]

i see , thanks

[ashen bear]

Probably as best as I'll reconfigure it

[short verge]

gotta hit that triple red jackpot

[halcyon sentinel]

idk people seem to need all same color

[flint arch]

ooOOoOooOOOoOOOooo

[ashen bear]

I mean yeah, an extra 10% chd would be nice ...but the chances of it being hs damage instead of wh? I'll...stick with armour regen

[flint arch]

i don't think investor can get HSD

the talent states several attributes are excluded from the pool

I need to check but I can't open the game and the spreadsheet hasn't been updated alemmqmskdkwndnlakdnsnmakqsoskka

[normal shadow]

Is the Striker chest really worth it in escalation tier 5 and up? I can understand Ceska and Hollow Man/ Contractor's, sure. But is the chest really that much better than Equalizer?

[flint arch]

enemies are so tanky in escalation that you can easily maintain 200 stacks. striker chest at that many stacks will outdamage equalizer

[normal shadow]

Mm, sounds plausible. At least in tier 5 and upwards.

[flint arch]

i don't have the numbers but im pretty sure its a non-negligible increase at least

though I personally don't use it because I suck at aiming and can't maintain that many stacks for some reason

[heady marten]

So, if you did swap equalizer for striker chest, what would you swap the extra gear piece for? Salvo or turmoil or something? (For escalation)

[subtle bluff]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GG-levHauyWoB3Ozzz63YscNiVMu69OEOXAMzG4nYos/edit?usp=drivesdk

[ashen bear]

Wow, quick step is really something, I haven't moved that quick ever since using booster hive

[halcyon sentinel]

i dont think turmoil is good for esca, i'll use salvo

[ashen bear]

...do people still use fox's?

[flint arch]

🥹

[heady marten]

Is that the damage to out of cover kneepads

[ashen bear]

Or has it been power crept out of the spotlight?

[subtle bluff]

What booster did what?

[mortal heath]

swapped overdogs and striker piece for ninja bike pack and hollow man, what do you think?

[ashen bear]

Booster hive, in particular, it increased your movement speed

[subtle bluff]

You nerfed yourself.

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't do that. It only gives weapon handling and hazpro

[mortal heath]

how

[ashen bear]

Ohhh, I guess it used to then

[mortal heath]

i get the same 30 % without overdogs talent rules plus health damage, i just lose the striker pack talent and get a bit more armor

[subtle bluff]

Maybe on release.

[subtle bluff]

In your thoughts

[patent fossil]

And how much damage does the striker pack give? Plus you're comparing SWD with the overdogs amp

[subtle bluff]

That's not how any of that works.

[flint arch]

sir

[ashen bear]

Real talk? I...don't like that ui config, it makes my eye twitch

[solar sable]

Elaborate

[flint arch]

math too hard

[ashen bear]

...does the lmg have killer?

[subtle bluff]

Read the post.

[mortal heath]

yahl 10 weapon damage (hollowman 14 health damage too)
unit alloys 20 assault rifle damage
ninjabike armor core

[solar sable]

That's not how it works, there are separate DMG buckets

[whole willow]

how the enmies not shooting at you

[flint arch]

heroic AI is dumb, they will hesitate to shoot you. shoot them first and they won't be able to shoot you

[ashen bear]

Can't shoot you if you bulldoze them first

[mortal heath]

try legendary

[whole willow]

i see

[whole willow]

what difficulty is that

[solar sable]

He does better in Legendary, dont underestimate him.

[mortal heath]

you die instantly hahahaha

[ashen bear]

Decoy is also a good safe insurance

[subtle bluff]

Here

[urban latch]

In addition to what people are saying about ninja, if your hollowman isn't prototyped red core/crit then it isn't really worth it. What makes it so good is that proto boosted DTH

[ashen bear]

...I'm gonna have to get used to this 20% extra move speed with quick step, aren't I?

[mortal heath]

try this week legendary last room with overdogs shooting marauders no bonus

[woven ruin]

best lmg for frenzy striker?

[whole willow]

how u get decoy?

[heady marten]

Nyoom

[ashen bear]

WONY

[whole willow]

gahdamn

[solar sable]

what's your point?

[whole willow]

i gotta pay?

[heady marten]

Is this on hardcore? Or is it just the high level having a different icon in the top right

[flint arch]

if its hardcore there will be an orange SHD logo with a skull covering the phoenix

[solar sable]

Seriously, what's the point of underestimating someone? What are you trying to prove here

[flint arch]

the normal icon will change every 1k SHD levels

[heady marten]

Ah, okay, so.. no?

[mortal heath]

he said i nerfed myself

[solar sable]

He isn't lying

[heady marten]

Chow really doesn’t like ninjabike backpack

For a pretty reasonable reason

[mortal heath]

you re taking sides ok

[patent fossil]

Maths takes sides

[solar sable]

I'm not taking any sides when I know the actual reason why he says that

[urban latch]

It's more that everyone here is trying to tell you ninja isnt the way to go

[heady marten]

I have enough understanding in the game to know ninjabike is a placeholder and shouldn’t be a permanent addition to a build because there’s always a better choice

[solar sable]

Then don't say you replaced Overdogs' final AMP with it.

[heady marten]

FRIENDLY FIRE

[flint arch]

Lmao

[mortal heath]

😂

[subtle bluff]

"no bonus"? Modifiers?

[heady marten]

I said nothing of the sort how dare you

[urban latch]

He means nothing from overdogs

[solar sable]

Sorry, wrong reply

[urban latch]

Which... Yeah, you can cherry pick situations where overdogs won't be active, but that's not really the point

[subtle bluff]

It's more that I dislike people thinking it's really good or just good in general. I am fine with people using it as long as they understand they have less dmg overall.

[heady marten]

I still need to memorize what to priority shoot first with over dogs but it’s good enough that my damage per shot at max strikers went from like 1.7mil to 2.1mil (with modifiers active, it’s like 1.4 to 1.9 without iirc) and I was like oh.. I see

Bye bye Coyote

[subtle bluff]

You don't need to.

[normal shadow]

You can run Coyote's if you're in a team and there's another Overdogs player in the team.

[heady marten]

I run coyote when I raid, that’s about it

[mortal heath]

i had less damage with overdogs in this week legendary compared to ninjabike , runs didnt differ that much

[normal shadow]

Understandable.

[solar sable]

you don't need to tho

have I already apologized for the friendly fire? 🤣

[heady marten]

Probably

[flint arch]

someone should send dien's solo legendary runs

[heady marten]

Doesn’t the damage bonus only enable against lower tier enemies, so you have to kill those first to get it against the named enemies and whatnot? That’s usually why I prioritize the easier enemies first in harder content so I can nuke the beefy ones faster after

Or am I silly

[flint arch]

it's better to treat the tiers as a suggestion, not a hard requirement

[subtle bluff]

You are just learning still.
You know you do less than what was shown above.

[mortal heath]

ninjabike can complete a full gear set and two pieces brandsets its like having 8 gear pieces!!!

[heady marten]

Oh, I’m just the guy who usually keeps in mind what I’m shooting and who I’m shooting at next so I like to be on top of target priority

[solar sable]

only to lower tiers
Nego, on the other hand, spreads the 30% amp to marked enemies when shooting the lowest tiered enemy

[hexed steppe]

Nbb trash outside of pvp

[heady marten]

I don’t have a nego build yet

[solar sable]

and it still doesn't replace Overdogs or anything else

[hexed steppe]

You need one

Nego is 😍

[flint arch]

pvgc striker

[subtle bluff]

I need to add a caption to that clip.

[solar sable]

combine all the gearsets you want and tell me when you have replaced an AMP

[subtle bluff]

Yeah doing that in this clip and it still does less.

Again... I am OK with players using NBB if they understand they're losing out on dmg.

I shouldn't be. But..

[urban latch]

You're effectively getting 2 brandset bonuses at the exchange of two minor attributes and a backpack talent. Plus one of the 1p bonuses your getting near nothing from (haz pro) so it's effectively down to 1... Your getting very little out of ninja

[solar sable]

how can my baby be bad if I have HH and Chameleon...

[patent fossil]

Named/elite/veteran makes no difference to overdogs tiers, just remember rushers, assault, grenadiers and snipers are all lowest tier so always get the amp, and they make up the majority of enemies

[subtle bluff]

Sir... It's morning...

[flint arch]

The date on which I will unblock you is

[solar sable]

🤣

OH COME ON 😆

[flint arch]

The best PVE Ninjabike build is

PVGC Striker

[solar sable]

ew

[subtle bluff]

That's what it's the clip.

[solar sable]

bla bla bla I will apply Measured to my Iron Lung

[flint arch]

blah blah blah I will use streamline for the 42% amp

[solar sable]

stay away from me you filthy pvgc enjoyer

[urban latch]

Thats making a case for ninja right? Because that's like it's only legit use for pve

[flint arch]

I will choke you

[subtle bluff]

Giving NBB all the advantages numbers wise but it losea out to BP talents.

[urban latch]

At max, but in the context of HH it still 1 shots and ninja allows you to not worry about vigi being up

And it's only close because MMRs have so many good 2p bonuses you benefit from and WD being so key to HH

But yeah, overall point, even with those benefits, outside a HH context ninja is not useful

[subtle bluff]

Yup I had another clip but just longer giving all brand bonus for HH the end number is the same but the build to it really sucked

I just made this way as a no edit clip to not being called a liar. Idk.

[heady marten]

I like using chameleon :((

(With Lexington as a close range backup)

[soft crane]

You got it the wrong way. Its Chameleon thats supposed to be close range backup because its an SMG with AR classification.

[heady marten]

No like, I have it WITH Lexington because it’s the close range backup

[soft crane]

Oh ok

[proud junco]

Tipping scales with coyote mask and contractor gloves. Good or bad? It's what I found when looking up a build. Yes I play with others.

[normal shadow]

It's not bad. Contractor's would want to be like an Equalizer chest, but otherwise it's a good team build for PvE.

[hexed steppe]

Tipping with coyote is a waste

Tipping stacks so much crit, you should be going for an amp instead

Like overdogs

[proud junco]

Okay so over dogs and what?

[hexed steppe]

Possibly chest talent or foxs prayer. I cant remember if tipping chest is better than a chest talent

[jolly sorrel]

I really wanna make a build with the catharsis. Anyone got experience with the mask?

[icy jasper]

It's mostly good in dz / pvp as for pve there's better options like momento or tinker or Exodus etc

Most use it with bighorn and a headshot/ hazz pro build in dz

[hybrid olive]

What are some items worth prototyping first? Specifically In a strikers / tipping scales build.

[icy jasper]

Probably stack broker, Lexington , quick step pistol , equalizer chest

At least the meta n guns or gear u use a lot

[patent fossil]

Wouldn't proto stack broker or quickstep if you're not using them to actually deal damage, only the weapon you have in hand gets the benefit of the augment and increased stats

[urban latch]

Sort of depends what your planning to do with it, but assuming escalation then #1 should be mk46 with frenzy and CHC.

After that named pieces like foxes and contractors. If you have a unicorn hollow man with CHC and red core then that's probably #2 on the list. With the changes to targeted loot gearset gear is reasonably farmable, so that's a lower priority imo, just wait for its targeted loot to come around for escalation.

[patent fossil]

Tbf I'm thinking of throwing the grenade augment on a quickstep for easy access

[fierce ether]

Mk46 instead of GR9??

[urban latch]

Yes

[icy jasper]

Is mgs still visible nowadays for a tipping or ongoing tinker build

[flint arch]

iirc similar to Striker chest but has way worse problems imo

[fierce ether]

I thought GR9 was the MVP

[flint arch]

15 seconds to reach max and insanely fast stack loss makes it not worth it even if you're doing escalation

[fierce ether]

Coz i am bringing her with frenzy+striker and is a beast

[flint arch]

GR9 is good when frenzied, but you need to stay frenzied

[urban latch]

When frenzy is active it has an edge in dps. But the MK46 will consistently keep frenzy up

[icy jasper]

Me personally most ar's and lmgs will perform good anyway on a striker build considering striker Can make any gun good

[fierce ether]

Ill check mk46

[icy jasper]

Why I usually go for looks at the gun or and how the recoil is or other stuff if I'm using striker

[fierce ether]

But with GR6 just put my magazine in 0 and hold it until i want to bring her with burst enemies

[icy jasper]

Tried trader yesterday tho didn't really like it, has alot of recoil even on striker , shall try the normal talent on other guns tho

[flint arch]

B&F is pretty good

[icy jasper]

Think I'll use it on stack broker for striker / HB

[proud junco]

So in your opinion something like equalizer would be better for tipping scales than the chest? Or a different talent?

[small junco]

Quick question, I just received the Turmoil kneepads the other day and I was thinking about including them in my Striker build for Escalations over my Obliterate chest. (Obviously using the Striker chest if using Turmoil). Is this a good idea? I'll lose short term damage output, but the increased duration of the encounters will mean that the higher ceiling on Striker stacks could prove useful

[flint arch]

equalizer or sacrifice

[proud junco]

Thank you

[smoky latch]

You use Striker's because of the really high single target damage

[short verge]

you use turmoil if you wanna shoot the elite Legendary minitanks for three minutes and kill everyone else in the room

[smoky latch]

Turmoil is doing good in HH builds

[short verge]

you use striker chest if you want that fat 800% hp boosted hyena chungus out of your face

[vernal wing]

This is the way.

[tacit parrot]

any fun build recommendations? was running chatter/memento/striker and elmo striker build, kinda want a fun group build, or skill build

[livid sorrel]

negotiators

[flint arch]

🅱️egotiators

[tacit parrot]

did that as well, was pretty fun

[grim bluff]

Eclipse Protocol fire?

[onyx sage]

can you click heads?

[vernal wing]

Red Core - future initiative

Yellow Core - Core Strength with Capacitor and Healing or Status Build

High End Determined Sniper
Chainkiller
Gift
Punch Drunk
Contractors
Foxes

[tacit parrot]

this is a center-mass only household

[onyx sage]

rip

[short verge]

could run healing, future initiative of course, bittersweet

smart cover, btsu datagloves, healing hive

let the team deal the dps instead, and if they fall, you can just blame them for not being within one of your healing skills

can swap smart cover for healing chem launcher depending on whether teammates wanna peek with shields isntead

[tacit parrot]

I'll check those out, any like status effect builds as well? I know pestilence is the status effect thing to use, but idk if theres any other fun options

fun being the keyword, i dont need a build that can solo heroic countdown

[vernal wing]

Ongoing Directive + Bluescreen might be right up your alley. Also buffs team damage by a good bit for group play

[onyx sage]

pestilence isn't really a status build in the sense that it doesn't use the status effects stat

eclipse fire is probably better but it falls off in heroic group

eclipse foam is a support trapper build, you control enemies so your teammates can kill them, works in a lot of places except escalation mostly

[short verge]

fun is always subjective, what kinda gameplay do you vibe with the most using this game's mechanics?

[tacit parrot]

I guess i mostly mean something that isn't dps centered, and less solo focused

I can pretty much clear all content with the builds i already have so its not about getting through some barrier, just wanna switch the playstyle and something wonky like status effect or support only could be fun

[ocean wyvern]

Maybe something like True Patriot could be up that alley

[smoky latch]

CC isn't wonky, it's pretty great. Go foam/fire

[onyx sage]

here's an eclipse foam pov in legendary manning: https://youtu.be/Ac9-isLLZ9M

this is just pure support

[flint arch]

one day a certain person will finally use a proper support build instead of bringing 49938293949999 revive hive charges

[tacit parrot]

ok that looks awesome that's sooo different to how i usually play and it's still mega viable

[onyx sage]

yeah dude, it works in legendary and master, super fun, i think it's worth trying out for you

[tacit parrot]

You got a link or like a guideline i can use to build mine?

[onyx sage]

something like this, the gloves can be BTSU and you can use a healing hive instead of emp sticky even, but this is highest skill haste setup

[shut kindle]

Ehhhh...? maybe

[tacit parrot]

thanks a bunch man i'll come back and lyk how i like it

[vernal wing]

Not worth losing Overdogs. Headshot damage is a slight oof

[onyx sage]

just know that enemies have status immunity if you spam them with the same status, if you find them immune just chill for a bit before foaming again

[shut kindle]

Why would I use overdogs?

[vernal wing]

Because you’re using an automatic weapon in escalation.

[shut kindle]

Tbh I dont think it's as good as what Im using already

[vernal wing]

The other options are usually high end groupo/Ceska or turmoil/hollow man pieces

and I don’t think that is better than any of those

[shut kindle]

Using contractors since I have mk46 frenzy

[onyx sage]

overdogs is quite a bit higher damage if you use it correctly

but i understand, i want to move away from it eventually

[shut kindle]

It's very luck based. Also exotic cant be proto'd so I also loose out on stats there too

[onyx sage]

eh you would still only be comparing to contractor anyway, and it's still gonna be higher

[vernal wing]

Overdogs mini game of targeting order is kinda fun if you actually play it.

[onyx sage]

i will say one thing tho.

the biggest drawback imo for overdogs is you take longer to hotswap to birdies to quick rez someone

[shut kindle]

eh if team mates die thats their problems

dont need them anyway

[onyx sage]

it kinda matters if you're the only one up

[flint arch]

after I almost failed to revive doomz because I had overdogs I will never use overdogs again

[solar sable]

he failed me... HE LEFT ME TO DIE

[urban latch]

Overdogs is pretty clearly more damage on average than those other options

Also in escalation getting rid of those low tier threats quickly and just reducing the total number of threats you have shooting at you asap is key

[vernal wing]

I mean I agree, but at this point most people get bored of using the same build.

Also Proto hollow man/Proto Contractors are really solid even if not at Overdogs level.

[urban latch]

Meant to respond to @shut kindle not you sorry

[tacit parrot]

@onyx sagewhat's the upside to using improvd gloves over any other set?

[pulsar burrow]

How's a prototyped RPK-74 with Killer and Tipping Scales?

[vernal wing]

Extra mod slot

[vernal wing]

Fine for solo/duo in standard heroic content. But anything is fine there.

[pulsar burrow]

Fair.

Damage did get crazy on range. So potential is there, but yeah bullet sponges later on I imagine make it rough.

[onyx sage]

yeah, extra mod slot for skill haste. you don't have to go this far. you can use an electrique glove instead

[vernal wing]

I guess the higher the escalation tier the worse it gets from losing uptime. But the uptime damage is really good.

[pulsar burrow]

I'll hang onto it as a for funsies gun.

[subtle bluff]

Not great due to the long reload and short firing time.

[pulsar burrow]

Okay so question. Moding the drone for a refactor build. Says the damage is higher with the hollow point bullets than the ordinance. Should I just ignore what's after the % cause the hollow points says more armor repair.

[flint arch]

ordnance is for bombardier drone

i think at last

[pulsar burrow]

Would make sense

[quiet wren]

Hi! New to the game here, and was wondering if someone could direct me to any site or link that could guide me on what the best weapons to look for/keep are. My stash if getting full already and I need to start deleting stuff

[flint arch]

level 40 starter guide

[solar sable]

dammit

[subtle bluff]

Like fresh Lvl1?

[subtle bluff]

Don't mind the names fo the Skill Mods as you can see there are many different ones. The number value is the only thing that matters and if it works the Skill you're putting it on.

[quiet wren]

already level 40 running retaliations and the new event. While I leveled up I just kept the highest level stuff, but now I actually need to make decisions haha

[subtle bluff]

Follow the guide that was post above.

[junior lagoon]

I tried coyote and went back to overdogs

Highest escalation i play is 6 anyway

[pulsar burrow]

For most guns the 3rd stat you want is "Damage to enemies Out of Cover" except for LMGs where that 3rd stat you want critical hit chance.

Easiest way to start seeing what to hold onto at first IMO.

[subtle bluff]

Idk if you've watch Toasty, but I agreed to Coyote being inconsistent due to it's ranges but I don't agreee at least to a degree that Overdogs is really inconsistent due to when it's on it's really pays off.

[flint arch]

haha

[prisma knoll]

What is the strongest damage dealing build for escalation?

I wanna full send.

[fierce ether]

Guys the god LMG is Military MK46, not? Replica is meh?

[fierce ether]

Tip on the scales, striker?

[solar sable]

For T4 and below Tipping Scales and Strikers do great.
For T5 and above, Strikers: 4pc Strikers, Hollow Man, Ceska bag with Vigilance/Ceska gloves/Overdogs

[solar sable]

they're the same

[urban latch]

Only reason to run vigi and not overdogs is if your expecting to do birdie hotswaps. Basically outside duos just run overdogs

[onyx sage]

it's also not the end of the world if you don't have hollow man

[solar sable]

this is good info ngl

[solar sable]

BUT MY HOLLOW MAN!!!! 😭

[subtle bluff]

I leave the info in there but I don't expect any but a very few players to very use it.

[stone python]

So you are telling me that it's extremely rare for a godrolled prototype weapon to drop? Like what are the chances?

[lament reef]

No, the original is very slightly better.

oh no I’m thinking of the mg5

[tepid flume]

Does killer and frenzy stack when both are proc'd using Tinkerer

[lament reef]

yeah

[civic meteor]

Say I have a maxed out assult rifle build what kind of damage numbers should I be reaching?

No crits

[vernal wing]

If it isn’t 1 million per bullet it’s worse than just using an assault rifle with 6 red core striker and crits.

Ideally, you want crit stats on any automatic weapons.

[civic meteor]

wdym by that

if I'm not doing 1 million on average I should change something?

[urban latch]

1 million is just a round number, it doesn't mean anything outside the context of dps and it's a terrible way to judge a build

[civic meteor]

interesting

[urban latch]

Just post the build your asking about and we can discuss it. But don't judge a build by "this does X bullet damage"

[civic meteor]

I just get embarrased bc I've posted it here before people give me advice and I become a little too stubborn to take it lmao

should prob get a better photo but

I know I need to drop the 2 armour cores or all of them

[civic meteor]

.

[vernal wing]

Build is pretty standard. This is fine for like 98% of the game. Chameleon might have problems forcing you to either get close or have damage falloff, and may not be able to keep the buffs in all content.

[civic meteor]

well thats why, and I know don't laugh

[vernal wing]

No it’s the staple build

[civic meteor]

I've been trying to get another Chameleon to try and see if using Optimal Range instead of Damage out of Cover would be more optimal if I wanna lazer beam from cover

[vernal wing]

No reason to make fun of it. Any clan will recommend you have something similar.

You want a normal Assault rifle or an LMG. Lexington in the Sakura Gear Caches would be your best friend

[civic meteor]

out of 360 keys I actually got 5 or 6

although with the Chameleon Talent I'm doing considerably more damage

why I've been kinda a stickler to give it up

[lone glacier]

Its a SMG that tries to be an AR..

[vernal wing]

It’s a great talent, it just doesn’t get 100% uptime

And the range thing is annoying when enemies are beyond

[civic meteor]

everything leads back to the lexington...

[civic meteor]

I think the main thing is like esp with strikers I'm already spending all my time building up stacks

I really like the chameleon its mainly just the range is the issue

[solar sable]

why do you want optimal range on a weapon that has terrible accuracy?

[civic meteor]

I think the acurracy is great myself

jsut watched someone use the weapon with a core strength build and was getting only like 500k or 600k crits

although they were pratically invincible

[prisma knoll]

what weapon? i'm new so it needs to be summit farmable?

[solar sable]

Mk46 for T5+
Your choice for -T4

Lvl40 Starters Guide

[surreal shell]

Is the beacon exotchest plate any good?

[solar sable]

nah

[subtle bluff]

Link him to one of my videos.

[dusky jetty]

thats all my luck used up

should I run that with strikers or tipping?

[lone wadi]

Bad talent

[dusky jetty]

yeah sadly

[lone wadi]

But m60 is best with tipping

[dusky jetty]

thanks

[subtle bluff]

Also CHC not DTA

Proto weapon farming is gonna be painful Tbh.

[dusky jetty]

yeah 😭

[subtle bluff]

Way better to exp it.

[lone wadi]

good drops are super rare but in t10 the stat rolls are generally pretty good

idk if investing time in that is better than just tryna reroll expertise over and over in hopes of getting a 2 or 3 liner max

[subtle bluff]

Well I mean for getting the right talent or DTTooC/CHC rolls

And the right weapon.

[lone wadi]

for sure tons of layers of rng

[normal shadow]

Remind me again - what was the good option and the budget option for gloves on the FI Healer build? The non-exotic so hotswapping to Birdie's doesn't take two minutes.

[smoky latch]

Alps Summit

[vernal wing]

Honestly, you can just run birdies if you aren’t running BTSU

[smoky latch]

Only in higher tier Escalations I'd recommend that

[normal shadow]

Skill haste and Repair skills?

[smoky latch]

Sure

[normal shadow]

That is an option, but not sure about it.

[vernal wing]

I’ve been needing to be able to Rez people quickly in these upper escalations

[smoky latch]

Yeah that's why mentioned it. In any other content you can swap rq and don't have to waste a bp talent

[normal shadow]

Like in tier 5 upwards I'd probably just run Birdie's.

[smoky latch]

Nah, T5 is fine with a regular healer build

Ofc it depends on the players - mm can be brutal

[vernal wing]

People be allergic to cover

[normal shadow]

I was thinking matchmaking in all honesty. My thought pattern went upwards from tier five, but yeah t5 would probably be with Alps + high end backpack.

[short verge]

BRO! there's always that guy in the group who seems to be allergic to my healing hive when i play healer

have to chase them with the healing chem launcher

[normal shadow]

Is a dedicated FI healer even needed in tier 5?

[vernal wing]

I literally play with people I know, and there is always someone who refuses to stay in the hive I throw specifically for them

[short verge]

but its okay the other 9/10 times because my randoms learn quickly that my super special extra DTTOC smart cover works when they're in cover

i just make sure that i plant the thing at where they wanna be, not too hard anyway

[inland hound]

would i be crazy if i were to prototype my FI set? 👁️ 🫦 👁️

(im swimming in cores now due to to long grind of leveling my main set augments)

[vernal wing]

If people can’t kill shit then yeah

[normal shadow]

Honestly I've seen both in matchmaking.

[inland hound]

ngl i just check the gear of players, if i see DPS demons i swap to FI healer to make sure those demons stay up. if i see bots then i be the dps demon

[normal shadow]

Is Opportunistic still the best backpack talent for FI?

[inland hound]

the setup, yessirr

[normal shadow]

What are DPS demons?

[vernal wing]

Purple strikers usually

[inland hound]

idk just by looking at their gear, checking the rolls/augment levels. you can kinda tell whos been grinding escalation and sweaty at it.

[normal shadow]

If only I could get purple strikers at some point as well.

[inland hound]

even normal maxed strikers is fine, purple is just extra spice on top. but then again you should only be technically farming prototypes if you are expertise 30. praying on god roll drops for builds would take longer than the expertise grind in my opinion

[normal shadow]

I've got godrolls on most of the important stuff already but expertise is still 29.

[inland hound]

ive yet to see a max set of rolls on a dropped proto item and ive been SLAVING away in escalations tier 5-10's

1 smg that had a max CHC stat, but thats about it sadly

[normal shadow]

Oh I mean godrolls on most important stuff on normal, not on prototypes. Those have mostly gone straight to trash.

[inland hound]

ooh, yeah 99% of the drops are core fodder

although people have been pulling some crazy proto first blooms in the event caches. i have yet to get one

[heady marten]

is this any good/worth keeping? it also has frenzy and dth as substat

[elfin mantle]

Any build Advice for escalation ?

[solar sable]

is this T5+?

[elfin mantle]

I usually play t7 max really

[solar sable]

it's fine ig but I would swap Coyote's for Ceska mask

[flint arch]

use ninjabike and core strength
I AM JOKING DO NOT FOLLOW THIS "ADVICE"

[solar sable]

I will remove your guide from the Spreadsheet

[flint arch]

🥹

[mint mortar]

Hey, whats a good solo PvP build nowadays? like, focus on damage, tank, tech, etc.

[solar sable]

#td2-pvp-discussions

[mint mortar]

Thanks, mb

[solar sable]

nah it's all good, it's just that this channel is more pve focused

[mint mortar]

Yeah, it took me a sec to notice😅

[junior elm]

help plox

[grim bluff]

alt + prt src will screenshot the active window btw, instead of your whole extended desktop. what are you wanting help with specifically?

[prisma knoll]

@urban latch which striker setup is the best for pushing escalation?

I’m looking for a farm build and also an escalation pushing build.

[urban latch]

This is what ive been doing 10s with. ignore the augments, ive spent hundred of proto cores to get 1 single echo....

[lone glacier]

Jealous. I deconstructed the Hollowman I had because I was drunk or something 😦

[fringe dune]

is 31 percent weapon handling good enough for big horn?

[junior elm]

just a honest overall striker build

[onyx sage]

ideally you don't have to spend that many attributes for it, just get up close

[urban latch]

turn off your HDR in video settings

build is fine so I assume your asking about why everything looks washed out

[fringe dune]

instant death if i get up close especially with boss

[onyx sage]

then don't use it, other weapons would be better

if you have to build into that much weapon handling you lose too much damage

[fringe dune]

15 percent is from striker, then added two 8 percent

[onyx sage]

is it a general use build? pure headshot build? cuz handling on hs striker is like a stat you pick cuz there's no other useful stat

if it's general use build you're better off just building into crit anyway

[fringe dune]

yes its a general build and pure headshot

[onyx sage]

like on escalation there are enough chungas/helmets and warhounds (if black tusk) that it starts to fall off

[fringe dune]

i see

[onyx sage]

if general use build... just use headhunter with another weapon

like bighorn is used on hs striker sure, but hs striker is only optimal in a few scenarios, mostly in speedrunning where you can get up close. but even then, you gotta practice being closer to enemies and dodging their melees.

[subtle bluff]

2x 🐐

[urban latch]

see the difference in color?

[chilly steeple]

disable it in windows too if you haven't, rmb on desktop > display settings and scroll down a bit until you see HDR, then disable the tickbox

[junior lagoon]

If you were not having issues with hrd before restart your pc, if your monitor is not compatible turn it off

[languid zenith]

Im curious now that prototypes are out what kind of attributes and how many of each would be optimal

I know the strega isnt a popular choice but im really enjoying it, more concerned about the actual armor

[urban latch]

short answer is still the same, get 60% CHC, rest into CHD

[languid zenith]

Think its worth farming to get what like 2/3 pieces with maxed crit chance to make things easier?

[subtle bluff]

Use a build site to help yourself with that question.

there's 2 in the pinned

buildstation.app

[languid zenith]

Oh yeah good idea, wasn't sure if prototype stuff had been added yet

[minor grove]

whats best in slot here? thinking of prototyping for the 1.5 skill tier is that always a garuntee? if so then i can get skill repair maxed as well..... but what would i chang out for what? thinking of adding 2 red cores?

[gentle lichen]

Swap the knees to the setup backpack

[minor grove]

dont have a good setup but ill work on that

[alpine wigeon]

What LMG should I use for a Tipping Scales build?

[lone wadi]

dont need a good one, just quickly craft one n slap a skill tier on it

[minor grove]

true but i kinda got one. im looking to prototype a whole gearset so it actually leaves me 2 cores free essentially

[lone wadi]

if thats the case then you can just look for either repair skills or haste and keep the blue

[minor grove]

yea got a repair skill, i can change 1 to haste

[subtle bluff]

Prototyping doesn't make it that much better nor even better..

[minor grove]

repair skill max inscrease would go to 30 though and that would be beneficial no?

[subtle bluff]

Gameplay and knowledge will make a better support than a fully proto even opiztimze build.

[minor grove]

well yea agreed but im jsut looking mostly for team boost plus heals when no one wants to run it

[subtle bluff]

My first 500 clears of incursion even when teaching I had random stats and only like 4 haste and repairs and did fine.

I only changed when I started doing speeds..

[shy willow]

Skill builds are like the least helpful things to have prototyped outside of rare edge cases like mortar builds where you need the extra tiers so free up your build options

[minor grove]

k wasnt sure if it would be a massive advantage but sounds like it literally is a waste

[subtle bluff]

Spending that much effort isn't.

[minor grove]

well it can be agreed most things arent lol

kk ill stick with this then easy call it a day there lol

[outer wharf]

is this good for t1-5 escalation?

[lone wadi]

you can honestly use whatever there but this is leaning on the side of not that good

[outer wharf]

may i know how can i improve it?

[lone wadi]

i would just say pick up an ar or lmg to use

you can prob still make rifles work there but youll have more trouble the higher tier you go

[smoky latch]

I played T5 with a rifle player earlier. I couldn't check their build due to the bug/disabled social menu but I can tell you they didn't do much damage.

I'd rather suggest to focus on automatic weapons.

[gaunt meteor]

hi there, can i ask what is a good build to do high damage? i just got to level 40 so im not really sure what build to go for... i feel like i barely do any damage whenever i play with my friends

[fringe walrus]

striker gear set

[oak flume]

striker for smg/ar or tipping scales or whatever for lmg

[subtle bluff]

Follow above for Starter Guide. It'll get you all started and set up.

[gaunt meteor]

this is currently what i have

i wanted to try going for the headhunter set, but i realise im not doing enough damage to use it in heroic

[solar sable]

almost there but not almost there

[subtle bluff]

Follow above... You'll have a much easier time building afterwards.

[solar sable]

I can finally focus on finishing that guide

finals are almost over 🥴

[gaunt meteor]

so sorry.. when u say above.. how far up is it haha..

[solar sable]

this

[gaunt meteor]

oh it didnt show up for me

[subtle bluff]

It's in the Pinned Messages. Idk what settings you have

[prisma knoll]

I don’t know the weapons by pictures. Which 4pieces of strikers do you have? I know obviously not the gloves.

[smoky latch]

MK46/Lexington

[gaunt meteor]

might just be my wifi settings then... cuz i realise that there are messages coming in here but then i dont see any new message. i had to relogin to see any new ones

[urban latch]

Overdog gloves

[prisma knoll]

Is it 5p strikers?

[urban latch]

Hollowman with a red core and crit for the mask

[smoky latch]

I don't think the mask looks identical, what do you think? :p

[solar sable]

going above 4pc is pointless

[prisma knoll]

Thanks!

[solar sable]

you'll eventually memorize them all just like INF does, this guy can tell you the exact model of a weapon just by looking at it

[subtle bluff]

Guide in the Pinned Messages

[hybrid pelican]

i normally do 7 pc strikers tbh

[solar sable]

INF - The Magical Cheese Wizard

[solar sable]

how tf...

[smoky latch]

You are my hero now

[hybrid pelican]

Striker socks

[subtle bluff]

DOUBLE ||NBB||

[solar sable]

ninjabike kneepads... YOU FILTHY HUMAN BEING

[soft crane]

Never had enough of Strikers

[prisma knoll]

I’ve seen different videos and such recommend st Elmo’s - why don’t you like it?

[subtle bluff]

what SHD are you?

[prisma knoll]

Is it just you have a god roll and Elmo’s is entry level?

[smoky latch]

YT build videos poison your mind

[prisma knoll]

92?

[subtle bluff]

Someone link the striker guide or go read it

[solar sable]

Because it doesn't have a dmg talent, it's great for its accuracy, handling and mag size but outside of that, it gets beat by High End

[subtle bluff]

It'll answer all of your questions.

[prisma knoll]

Thanks

[subtle bluff]

No. The answer is that build is specific for the content.

[soft crane]

yee yee ahh strikers

[solar sable]

well and this too

the red cross... please... no more

[subtle bluff]

If you take that build into normal heroics it will not perform anywhere as good.

[urban latch]

Elmo's is fine. I don't really care about it's talent. I'm using lex as my backup weapon anyways with mk46 doing the majority of the work. Lex is used to finish encounters with the mk46 mag empty for the next room, and as a accurate long range option, hence the ranger talent.

Also since the lex is prototype it's another augment to add on

[subtle bluff]

He's SHD 92 btw. He's just looking for a build most likely.

[grand swan]

Which is better to run with a Striker/Lexington build, DTA or DTOC? Finally got a decent build to run the lower tiers solo

[subtle bluff]

It's always DTTooC.

[hybrid pelican]

have you tried proto first bloom for deleting chunga armor? its interesting as secondary. less time in open than rav

[grand swan]

I probably should have said which armor piece. Fox Prayer or Contractor Gloves. Lex is the weapon im gonna use

[subtle bluff]

Then neither. more Crit most likely.

[urban latch]

I haven't actually compared the dps but I'm fairly certain just going with the mk46 would be stronger, and situationally like you said rav will break armor plating far quicker than anything else so that's an option

I used rav for the boss fed bunker boss fight

[prisma knoll]

Are there any skill builds that come remotely close to strikers? Or not even close?

[subtle bluff]

Skills can't DPS really.

[urban latch]

In escalation? No. FI is good as support, but in escalation it's only strikers, FI, or trolling

Future iniative

[prisma knoll]

Is the refactor acceptable for healing or nah?

[subtle bluff]

For escalation?

You just start asking question to a build pic.

Is this for normal PvE or high escalation. I would doubt high escalation due to your low SHD.

[lone wadi]

even low escalation tbh id rather have fi than refactor

oops didnt meant to reply to your message

[hybrid pelican]

Yeah its just a nice alternative especially feel u cant stack rav that much on the mid tiers and its a diff ammo type which is ok for some rooms with bad ammo

[prisma knoll]

So the game is essentially strikers and 1 FI?

[subtle bluff]

.......

[urban latch]

Escalation is, which is the new mode where balance and build diversity was thrown out the window. The rest of the game isn't

[soft crane]

Well no, not really. Almost everything works on Heroic difficulty which most people plays on.

Escalation counts as endgame mode which is the least of your concern right now. No need to worry about it.

[flint arch]

i love pvgc striker

[soft crane]

mf is using Superior rarity 😂

If you dont know, high-end rarity is better.

[delicate hill]

i asked in general chat but ill ask here too... anyone know why my future initiative armor refuses to go to max armor? ive used healing skills, med kits. basically anything i can and it wont heal my thus not activating the gearset

[lone wadi]

can u send a screenshot of what you see

[delicate hill]

its intermittent so ill try to when it happens again but its just the armor bar has greyed out chunks which would normally be full and the set bonus isnt active

[livid sorrel]

fragile armor directive probably

[delicate hill]

no directives, and not against cleaners

[deep fossil]

So cmiiw, for First Bloom, the more tanky the enemies are, the harder it hits right?

[smoky latch]

Yeah

[slate basin]

It will hit for higher potency "longer" it scales linearily down as you get enemies lower on the HP+Armor bar

[smoky latch]

Works well on chungas, elites with armor and OFC hunters

[delicate hill]

im out of combat in this aswell

[deep fossil]

Basically boss buster

[lone wadi]

oh this also happened to me, but i cant recall if the fi buff was active or no when i was healing

do you own any prototype gear

[smoky latch]

Try disabling seasonal modifiers

[slate basin]

Also nice of it being on AR is that as its talent gets weaker when you break the armor Damage to Health kicks in to "make up" for it

[deep fossil]

Which includes the enemies in Escal right? I assume that weapon was meant for that

[lone wadi]

maybe its just me but whenever i swap from my proto builds to a non proto one a chunk my my armour goes missing like your sc

[delicate hill]

ill have to try at a different time but if thats the case i just wont both with that armor then and do refractor or something like that..

[deep fossil]

Well, proto builds do have more armor, cuz level 30 expertise on the get go

[smoky latch]

It's just a guess at this time

[lone wadi]

i know that. armour goes down but if you look in his screenshot, his armour value looks like what its supposed to be at 978k, but theres a gap at the end and he cant heal that

[deep fossil]

Yeah, I think it's a bug cuz that also happened to my friend aswell, which their armor looks not filled but I can't heal them

Maybe try relogged

[delicate hill]

maybe i think i did swap off one of mine with protos

but it still didnt regen the armor after taking damage

[deep fossil]

Well it's buggy game, so, yeah..

[delicate hill]

oh and since i found one again.. what is the consensus are protos supposed to ALWAYS be at the base versions max stats? ive had 2 pieces drop below that value

[smoky latch]

one is guaranteed if you upgrade your own gear