td2-build-advice

[grizzled loom]

What cores should I run on core strength? Im using 3 pieces with ninja bike and thne bulwark shield with a pistol

[shut kindle]

Tbh I love core strength for skill, using Picaro

[grizzled loom]

Im running 4 skill cores(ninjabike) and im running tech special so Ive got level 5 skill tier

[shut kindle]

Ah, nice, I often run Picaros as well as so I can run 1 more armour or wep dmg the more cores you have the larger the bonus

[shy willow]

Damn so I'm not tweaking

I've had similar happen on my lex

[shut kindle]

Yeah, it's any gun with a high rof it glitches and the two come out slowly then back to normal

It actually makes the gun ass. So really for these only echo is even usable

[warped crypt]

For a HH determined build, which one has more applicable uses 1886 or Model 1700?

[noble pelican]

Pretty sure the 1886 is mostly used if you want/need a shield, paired with the Regulus.
M700 has higher output overall,but doesn't allow the shield to be used.

[teal ibex]

goodmorning folks.

i has a qeustion for 2 builds. cant show due dont have most of the gear.

striker build in general. 4p. backpack or nah? if so what to switch out it for. u usually use equaliser for chest for this far im aware.

the HF smg build. same qeustion. backpack or chest? ye or nah. and what would u go for?

its mostly the when to use chest or backpack or what to replace it for?.

love using smg(dark winter/chameleon) and elmo.

i assume TS for lmg. but again backpack/chest lol.

[solar sable]

1. yes, bag is a must and so is Equalizer
2. none IMO, I use Memento and that's what I recommend using for crit HF
3. HF Bag is only used in one setup AFAIK where Dodge City holster is in the build
4. For crit HF I recommend Backfire if you want an exotic, Dark Winter works fine
5. Bag only

[noble pelican]

Only point where you'd use the striker chest and drop Equalizer is Escalation T5+ and maybe Legendary, if your group isn't good and stuff lives too long.

[solar sable]

and Incursion

[noble pelican]

True.

[teal ibex]

HF crit. oke. backfire has the bleed passive which kinda suck. so i have build for protection from hazard right?

[solar sable]

no, absolutely not

[soft crane]

Doesnt have to.

[noble pelican]

Don't bite the content creator "You can get THIS MUCH hazard protection" bullet. lol

[teal ibex]

how u guys stay alive when the bleed hits with 100 stacks?

[solar sable]

you only bleed for a certain amount of time and if you reload Backfire three times youll become immune to bleed for a few seconds which leaves some space to reach max stacks so the bleed goes away

[teal ibex]

ohhh didnt knew that was possible👀 ha cool

[teal ibex]

karaoke bonked me to reality to say dont follow most builds on YT haha

[soft crane]

I have Striker Hazpro build if you want. Not a good build if I do say so myself but I use it just for fun sometimes.

[solar sable]

my name here is a meme to THAT YTber, I'm Doomz lmfao

[teal ibex]

idk any youtuber tbh. dunno doomz either sorry😅

[strong cave]

I've got one personally that's all red, glass cannon, and 90 hazpro

[solar sable]

sort of like Evil KVD, I do give good advice

[noble pelican]

I looked at some decent videos (e.g. Toasty) and now YT thinks I REALLY need this in my life..

[buoyant perch]

Lmao, I legitimately thought it was just a weeb thing

[teal ibex]

super god mode but no damage i guess. forever shooting lol

[solar sable]

kamikaze something, does that ring the bell? 😂

[strong cave]

I don't think 100% damage reduction is a true statement here lol 😂

[strong cave]

kvnt

[teal ibex]

i only saw tuxedo or tacobell. idk what this dude called lol

[solar sable]

thank God

[cinder girder]

Is there a good place to farm Equalizer chest piece efficiently?

[noble pelican]

The first few seconds of actual gameplay show his bonus armor going away in 1-2 shots. lol

[strong cave]

TuxedoVonTickle

[strong cave]

Countdown. Target brand Unit Alloys

[solar sable]

Retaliations or Countdown with UA as TL

[strong cave]

Yeah Retal would work too

[cinder girder]

Everytime i've done it, we don't finish it

[teal ibex]

i did so much retal last week. got from 0 to 14 woth expertise xD

[strong cave]

In that case go countdown

[cinder girder]

Was talking about countdown 😂

[noble pelican]

Matchmaking it is a pretty easy way to go to hell, yea.

[soft crane]

Hunters at the end of countdown guarantees drop named items, if you target loot a brand, named items for that brand droprate will significantly increase.

[strong cave]

A farm is only as efficient as the players running the farm

[soft crane]

What? Bruh...

[noble pelican]

Do you matchmake for Heroic?..

[cinder girder]

Yessir

[strong cave]

Either that or they're getting nothing but clueless people

[noble pelican]

Don't. Run Challenging.

[solar sable]

sounds like they need a Foam player

[strong cave]

Most play challenging. If you're struggling in heroic it's usually a sign it's newer players

[strong cave]

Not even foam would help them out. I sadly would know

[teal ibex]

different qeustion: ravenous.
suppose to drop from BT retal.
not even one BP dropped😑 i guess bad luck?

[strong cave]

They'll still die to stationary targets

[cinder girder]

I see, i'm back after a very long break so 😂 I'm a bit clueless

[soft crane]

Seems like it.

[noble pelican]

I'd love to play Heroic, but it's flooded with "I don't do shit, but I want loot" people and the average group absolutely doesn't clear consistently.

[strong cave]

It's a 50 50 chance as a drop and completion reward

[noble pelican]

Run 37 dropped Rav for me and Eagle on 38.

[solar sable]

Imagine a guy running PVGC but isnt shooting enemies and instead is doing the tasks

[teal ibex]

welcome back. haha im returning too after idk.. 3-4 years?👀

[cinder girder]

I did Hyena Retals for about 15-20 hours and no Overdogs bp 😭

[teal ibex]

gimme ur luck then xD

[strong cave]

So you mean most of us players?

[soft crane]

You know the drill, kill all the hunters at the beginning, disable all the countermeasures against you for bonus effects, then try not to do Protect VIP encounter.

[solar sable]

gotta carry the clueless

[strong cave]

Always avoid it bc there's a chance VIP spawns next to enemy doors. And if there's a sui bomber, VIP is instantly dead

[soft crane]

Also focus on the objective. Almost everyone seemed to focus on dealing with the enemies.

[solar sable]

i hate when that happens

[strong cave]

I've seen it countless times and it's funny whenever it happens. Players get surprised Pikachu face every time despite my warnings

"how could you have known?"

Idfk.... Common sense and experience? 🤦

[solar sable]

hey, outcast rushers just want hugs... 😔

[teal ibex]

its on the top left... really.. its not mad science...

[soft crane]

Doing the VIP encounter is fine if the team is experienced and all. What I hate the most is drone/turret skill damage builds.

For God sake I've almost die couple of times because of hacked drone/turret.

[noble pelican]

"Enemy sniper turret detected"

[teal ibex]

i died of people standing in front of me😑

[cinder girder]

I haven't really done it so i'll have to give it a go a couple more times to get used to it, but thanks for the help you guys

[strong cave]

I've found that in nearly all my runs we have done VIP, the objective is failed or nearly failed every single time. It's even worse when it's outcast rushers. There was maybe a handful of times where my group was good enough we went ahead and knocked out a VIP objective. But only when it isn't Outcasts is when that would happen

[noble pelican]

My biggest issue tbh.

people with a god damn LMG running INTO enemies.

[strong cave]

My biggest issue is people with shields all ganging up on spawn doors. Ditch the damn shield, use banshee for Pete's sake

I can't kill what I can't shoot

[gentle lichen]

What's wrong with that
I love pressing my iron lung muzzle right into their cranium

[solar sable]

#ask-td2-community message

[strong cave]

Sometimes it's necessary when they refuse to peek again

[soft crane]

Literally happened few days ago.

[mystic quiver]

The amount of friends I’ve had unaware of escalation shenanigans try to door camp

[teal ibex]

i mean. sure use lmg. but atleast dont stand in front of 6 ppl. go to the side or something since everyone ganking on it anyway

[mystic quiver]

Didn’t go well at all

[strong cave]

Nah the right play is stand in front of 7 other people and hog all their bullets for yourself

[noble pelican]

"Don't worry, I'll just run in and kill it!"

• Dude with <2m dps, in front of 5 other people with 15x his damage.

[strong cave]

Team player ❌
Play with a team ✅

[cinder girder]

First countdown i go into "Protect the VIP" lul

[soft crane]

Aw shit.

Let them cook.

[gentle lichen]

Iron lung is the most team player weapon cause i can dps and cc enemies for the team and flush them out of cover

[strong cave]

Better take foam to ensure vip doesn't get nuked by One Punch Man

[strong cave]

I've been running that religiously with the conversion modifier that increases mag size

[fleet gulch]

For heartbreaker, is it known whether normal police M4 with the pulse talent will out-DPS Kingbreaker?

[gentle lichen]

Hsd all the way
Enjoying those 3m hsd crits

[strong cave]

Technically king breaker does more damage. Police M4 just does way better burst damage

[gentle lichen]

Pretty sure and you'll be able to maintain stacks better and have way better accuracy

[strong cave]

You'll also be doing/dealing damage at a quicker rate

They nerfed kingbreaker badly when they dumped it's rpm even lower

[gentle lichen]

Still have mine at 23 expertise or something

[strong cave]

Most would suggest you use Lexington tho and not police M4. But if you don't have lex, the M4 is perfect

[strong cave]

See kingbreaker was one of those guns people touched, forgot about, came back, then got trashed again. So I never bothered

[fleet gulch]

Why the police M4 BTW? According to my crafting menu, there are some assault rifles with slightly higher RPM like the F2000 and Famas.

[strong cave]

F2000 and Famas can't use LLP

[fleet gulch]

Oh, that's pretty darn important.

[strong cave]

Very

So you're stuck looking into police M4, CTar, P416 or Carbine 7

I personally would go the M4 route or the Carbine route

(and again, if you have Lexington, that trumps all the other ARs)

[fleet gulch]

No Lexington unfortunately, and to my understanding no real way to obtain it now, right?

[strong cave]

Correct. You're not missing much by not having it. It's negligibly better than the Police M4 (something like 5% ish?)

And that's better as in base damage. Not overall damage (pretty sure)

Slap on like 5 expertise onto a police M4 and you basically have default Lexington

[fleet gulch]

Is there any appreciable difference between these ARs?

[strong cave]

Ctar shoots the quickest, has lower damage than the other ARs. Police M4, P416 shoot relatively the same and are very accurate. Carbine 7 shoots slightly slower, hits harder and is very accurate too

It's worth noting the CTar is insanely accurate. Basically pinpoint accurate

[fleet gulch]

Do you notice any difference in recoil or kick?

[strong cave]

Most of those guns shoot between 1k RPM and 800 RPM. Good rate of fire range for all ARs. And they're all accurate and take LLP. Almost no difference in recoil

If anything they're as simple as "point and click"

[noble pelican]

Is there any point in having a HB setup, if I'm fine (incl. solo) with Striker?

[soft crane]

no

[noble pelican]

Thought so.

[soft crane]

Billions must run 6 Red Cores now!!! 👈

[flint arch]

honestly im not that proud of the guide anymore, i still like the "not getting shot" section but the first part needs a lot of work

ill probably split it and just turn it into "how to not die with 6 red cores" and not "you better use 6 red cores"

[solar sable]

do you see it as a selfish guide?

[flint arch]

idk but it feels kinda condescending when I read it now

[gentle lichen]

Some may view it as elitist

[flint arch]

My sentiment is still the same but I could have conveyed it in a way that's more friendly and not just "no blue cores forever or I'll uninstall the game for you"

[noble pelican]

I think there's a fairly valid place for defensive builds.. it's just not endgame like Escalation, or group play tbh and you're much better off learning how to avoid damage instead of spending most of your equipment-based options on survivability just to avoid learning the game.

Even if you want to spend more time on a "safe" e.g. legendary solo clear, like 90% of the rules still apply however; You don't want to stand out in the open and eat shit 24/7 in those cases either.

The main issue is really just people believing that blue cores/defensive traits still allow them to deal "almost the same damage", while "making them tanky".

[solar sable]

we still support that guide since it's basically a full breakdown, do as you please with it, it's yours and only you can take decisions on it

[flint arch]

Also I feel like just dumping tips in text form is not the most helpful way of teaching new players to not die

[gentle lichen]

Honestly with all the new methods to deal damage and get damage from as opposed to a couple years ago putting a couple cores won't hurt AS much
Thing is the fact that blue cores are genuinely just bad

I am of the belief that it should be reworked

[flint arch]

It's basically the equivalent of linking to dien's solo legendary zoo runs when someone asks how to not die in legendary

[noble pelican]

Short clips/gifs/webp's similar to videos used in e.g. skill descriptions in some games would work wonders.

[subtle bluff]

niche stuff.. meh.

[gentle lichen]

I think one fundamental thing i think players need to know is melee baiting and peeking since i personally find that a better half of my random matchmaking have zero sense of what a safe place is

It's not always cover especially the ones where half your body is exposed when shooting

[noble pelican]

The average person also just keeps their distance and dumps entire mags into an enemy behind cover, hoping that they magically come out lol

[flint arch]

literally me sometimes

[gentle lichen]

Personally i only do it when part of their body is exposed even their hand and even more if i use iron lung as setting them on fire will flush them out
But normal weapons just won't do shit lol

[solar sable]

the average player*

[gentle lichen]

Maybe a full guide that encompasses many enemy ai quirks is also useful

[solar sable]

does someone get the joke still? please say yes...

[flint arch]

idk i think it was quite

oh sorry i forgot to finish my sentence, that was

[solar sable]

[gentle lichen]

Also weakpoints are super underrated for some reason??
Why are you magdumping a bt chunga without taking out the belt

[flint arch]

i know the enemy ai enough to be rather aggressive on heroic with PVGC but i don't know enough to do melee baiting and shit

[solar sable]

it's easier than it looks

[flint arch]

i mean i did it before but i'm still not great at it

[gentle lichen]

I think anything that locks an ad into an animation is super crucial for squishy player survivability

[gentle lichen]

Just keep it mind they have an internal cooldown before doing their next melee
Shortest one is outcast flamethrower

I think dien posted a video about it

[flint arch]

oh so no wonder why dien could just run around wildfire that time

[solar sable]

who's dien

[gentle lichen]

I actually learned melee baiting way back when i did my first DH cause i was a scrub and couldn't burst elites

So i had to do it to reload and burst again

[noble pelican]

Because my frenzy just triggered and it's fun. lol

[flint arch]

where the hell can I reliably find a single tank that I can practice on

back to lincoln i guess

[gentle lichen]

Some of them have faster animations than others
Outcast thrower has a nasty quick kick

[noble pelican]

The master mission for Tempest (I always forget names lol) has multiple dogs + a minigunner in the first open area. Haven't found a better spot yet tbh.

[gentle lichen]

I know in the open world you can find chungas of all kinds fighting allies

[solar sable]

the last boss in Federal Bunker is the one that made it for me

you feel chased by Jason

[mystic quiver]

if Washington is still invaded you can just wipe out the adds and practice on Road block

[flint arch]

its not

[mystic quiver]

outside of that uhh Ashford from memorial is the only one that comes to my mind

[flint arch]

melee baiting a true sons tank is fun

[teal ibex]

help me out
OD build. 2 petrov piece. should i change something?

aside the attributes lol

[gentle lichen]

Those guys must've studied trigonometry cause they arc those launcher rounds perfectly

[gentle lichen]

Use a wicked ceska bag and swap other piece for overdogs

Weapon i guess can stay carnage or you can try another build with tinkerer and 2 lmgs

[teal ibex]

yea the lmg isnt really the problem was more to test. heard mg 60 or one of those is really nice to use too

[gentle lichen]

Mg50 m249 mk47 are all good options

[teal ibex]

wot talent on ceska? vigilance or?

[gentle lichen]

Wicked

[teal ibex]

i guess its countdown time lol

[soft crane]

Ceska backpack with either Vigilance or Wicked. Gloves should be Overdogs.

[teal ibex]

yea need to farm new backpack

[soft crane]

Tinkerer mask also works, prefered talents are Pressure Point and Sadist.

[teal ibex]

also for striker. what exotic? also overdog?

[soft crane]

Tinkerer also works.

Strained + Killer or Strained + Measured.

[teal ibex]

dafuq. 2m bleed damage???? 😲

[visual nebula]

quick question, I currently run Umbra mask, ninja backpack, core strength yellow (chest, gloves, knees) and the picaro holster with technican and capacitor. in terms of stats im currently at 59% chc and 120.5% chd so can i drop my CHC and boost my chd further? if so how low can my chc be?

[soft crane]

Sorry, I never use Umbra.

[soft crane]

Huh? You trippin

[teal ibex]

nope

new mofdifier event plus countdown xD

[flint arch]

are you doing pvp? if your answer is no, start over

[visual nebula]

Its a pve build i have a separate pvp build

[flint arch]

core strength is extremely mid for pve, and ninjabike will always be the worse option in pve

also generally you want to be at 60% chc or at least be close to it

[teal ibex]

maaaybe for striker???

idk what im doing 🤣

[soft crane]

Yeah thats what Im using as well.

[teal ibex]

never hurts to give it a go👍

[soft crane]

You're good, just need to optimize them stats.

[rain fox]

What is the most damage you can buff the team by so far I've worked it out and I've managed to reach 97% in total

[strong cave]

How are you calculating that damage tho

[teal ibex]

yea i need the mats for optimsation. thats just grinding lol

[rain fox]

I'm just adding it all up lol

25 from fl chest, 15 from setup bag, 20 from scorpio, 10 from survivalist and 27 dtoc with the smart cover

[subtle bluff]

Not how that works

[mild dawn]

also you forgot perfect sledge

[rain fox]

Well is there any higher alternatives I just want team to hit hardest

Ain't got time for sledge I'm healer damage buff hybrid

Using first sigh ak with reformation to buff heals when I need to if I show you my build will you let me know how to improve it

[mild dawn]

thats just the bog standard FI healer but you swapped out lefty and one of the skills for smart cover

[subtle bluff]

They don't add. They multiple since most of it is AMP.

[rain fox]

That's the build I'm using that he just posted

But without the lefty as apply status give 10 from survivalist

[sterile chasm]

Is there a way for me to tell what attribute I have just by looking at these icons on my armor? Otherwise I got to 50 CHC and 40 CHD almost by looking at stats

[rain fox]

But I will use the lefty also forgot about that thanks

[grizzled garnet]

icons no. press G and hover over the piece

[mild dawn]

survivalist grenade is good for both lefty and the survivalist damage bonus

[sterile chasm]

Awesome, ty ty

[rain fox]

Yes also forgot about that lol I'm a dps player playing around with this stuff for fist time thanks for the info

But if I did want to use smart cover would that pump out more damage for the team as I'd be giving 27% dtoc

[subtle bluff]

and if the notes are read. Sledge interaction with the Fire nade is special.

[subtle bluff]

Only if everyone is in LoS and cover the Skill.

[rain fox]

Understand I'll switch depending on content thanks

[subtle bluff]

Chem Riot Foam being a better choice for some cases because just being able to have more time on target is better than trying to do bunch of stuff to get more dmg.

aka fixed into a spot where nader and drones will just dog pile crap on to whomever it's targeting.

[rain fox]

Ye has good utility I see what your saying

What setup would you choose for escalation or is it bad build for that content

[subtle bluff]

I'm a lil different but standard is using the Standard FI build and sometimes hotswapping to birdies.
I would not use smart in +t6 due to hot foot thing. Managing your CD and now spamming like crazy your chem would be pretty key along with give out what buffs you can.

The guide pretty much goes over the rest.

Your crossbolts are clutch for when needed.

[rain fox]

Oh ye hot foot see I don't think about all this stuff I need to start planning ahead with my builds could I use oxy in place of smart

[normal shadow]

Hotswapping to Birdies takes more than a second because need to switch gloves as well. If running BTSU that is. Still probably worth it.

[dusky jetty]

Deadeye Overdrive + Global Modifiers doing the lords work

[obtuse shoal]

oh myyyy

[dusky jetty]

For anyone interested - here's the build + Global Modifiers

[grizzled garnet]

and still somehow enemies with helmets survive ;-;

[dusky jetty]

sadly true

[rain fox]

Oh ye you need to switch gloves also I'll just run with what I got on and make it work

[grizzled garnet]

i know people argue about the helmets being bulletproof but i dont think their body would survive even if the helmet does

[noble pelican]

Another alternative for pistols that works really well with the modifier by iKia:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1JyIPHwVUbwdPYFpuenjg7nk9wOmSQ9U_JjqNxNSEuT8/edit

[rain fox]

As I'm only running hive for heals I can't lose the gloves so no birdie swap for me unless whole team gets wiped ill bring gloves just incase

[dusky jetty]

True, this talent also helps my poor aim

[grizzled garnet]

unfortunarely helmet enemies remove determined ;-;

[dusky jetty]

ahhh that sucks

[dusky jetty]

I still don't have a regulus, looks v fun

[grizzled garnet]

The harvest or a d50

then you can run determined

[rain fox]

Let's say you have dermined and turmoil and there's 2 enemies by each other 1 is normal and this other is a helmet enemies if I killed the normal would it kill both and bypass the helmet or just break it

[grizzled garnet]

im not sure so dont take this as fact but i THINK turmoil applies weapon damage so its like you body shot them rather than to the head

[lone glacier]

D50 sucks for it. Just use a normal Magnum if you dont have a Harvest

[rain fox]

I've never tested this not sure why I never thought of it until now but if someone already knows no point me testing it

[grizzled garnet]

welp. houndsman going to lose a few hounds

[patent fossil]

It would kill both if the damage is enough, turmoil damage isn't treated like another shot coming from your weapon

[rain fox]

Nice I need to get a build made for this event and I already know I'm using overdogs

OK so chain killer chest, overdogs glove, turmoil kneepad and the gift bag what are the last 2 piece I should take ill be using 1886 and shroud

[patent fossil]

Hotshot or habsburg probably, maybe an overlord or airaldi piece for the weapon damage

[rain fox]

What a 2 piece?

Hotshot

[patent fossil]

Yeah, no point in one piece, just compare the 2pc buff vs the other options

[rain fox]

OK bro will do thanks

[mild dawn]

sounds like youre looking for the hotdog build

#td2-build-advice message

[rain fox]

There's so many 1 shot build you can make and none of them give good options to deal with higher tier enemies and armoured ones I think the shroud might be bi's for a 1 shot build

[mild dawn]

just dont try to stack headhunter with turmoil on, you gotta swap them in mid combat once at max stack

[rain fox]

There we go 2 piece breaking point, chain killer chest, gift bag, overdogs glove turmoil with 1886 and shroud breaking point give 25% to mmr and rifle hotshot only give 30% to mmr ang 30% handling

Wow it looks good with event bang on 60 chc and 86 chd 343 hs on 1886

[gentle lichen]

hmm

could this be better than tink od

[rain fox]

My exact build bro

[gentle lichen]

not really hard to think up the build

[rain fox]

But I use the gr9 with frenzy and I've timed it to empty the mag perfectly to reactivate frezy

It can easily wipe anything up to legendary difficulty and works best for retaliatins

[soft crane]

Yeah thats good.

Why is every new players running Core Strength build bruh?

Also NBB on top of that.

[gentle lichen]

newest slop

i mean i'd go crazy if i was a beginner and saw 2.9m armor

[rain fox]

Nbb is not worth it in nearly any build except a very rare few core strength is the only bearable option for nbb

And it's still jot goog for dps

[lone glacier]

Its the new YouTuber content slop calling it "meta"

[rain fox]

700k or 800k at best with yellow cores for capacitor to buff it

[soft crane]

Before I go crazy with all these new players running Core Strength, what exactly is the best build for it if you're aiming for DPS and how does it compare to Striker or Tipping Scales?

[rain fox]

I'll show you the best core strength build I've used

[lone glacier]

It doesn't compare.

[livid sorrel]

apparently capacitor and all yellows is good for it? for pvp at least

[lone glacier]

CS is another "we tried a hyrbid set but it just won't pan out"

Jack of all Trades but Master of none

[rain fox]

It's the best possible option you use all yellow until you get to 6 cores then go armour

[livid sorrel]

"more armor = more damage" is right there for a hybrid set but they haven't thought of that somehow

[rain fox]

Yes

[soft crane]

Show me and how does it work?

[rain fox]

75% of 15% is what you get

So from a yellow core you get 7.5 plus half of 15

Read the talent it doesn't make sense at first

You get 75% of every other core with chest

[mild dawn]

capacitor core strength is just all in weapons damage and respectable crit chance/damage without any useful backpack/chest talents at all

[rain fox]

So if you use blue you get 75% of 15% weapon damage then 15 skill efficiency

[soft crane]

What a confusing gearset.

[rain fox]

But if you use a yellow you get 75% of 170k armor then 75% of a red core

Super simple when you understand it

So when using a capacitor you gain 7.5 % weapon damage per skill tier on top of that

[soft crane]

So the most damage you can get out of Core Strength is by running 6 skill tiers and capacitor.

[rain fox]

Yes

I will show you the best possible build combo to make the most of it all with the mask have 2 options tho

[gentle lichen]

that makes it the top build right now in pvp content
you literally get everything

[soft crane]

ok thanks

[mild dawn]

does core strength/capacitor count the tiers from brazos 2pc and technician for its thing or

[gentle lichen]

yea

[rain fox]

Give me a few just making now I deleted after testing around with it

[mild dawn]

so brazos ninja technician capacitor is stronk for pvp

[gentle lichen]

add unit alloy and boom

[jolly pagoda]

Someone educate me, is there no way to see your total repair skill percentage stat?

[gentle lichen]

not that i know of

you should know that you get 10% from watch and 15% if you chose repair node on technician but aside from that you can add up the attributes and brand/set bonuses

[rain fox]

Calculate it manually maybe by adding it all up

[jolly pagoda]

Yeah it seems that way, appreciate it

[gentle lichen]

also on spec talk im not sure if outgoing healing on survivalist is multiplicative to healing or additive to repair skills
i'd think it multiplies like incoming repairs and repair skills

[rain fox]

Best core strength build 212k weapon damage the mask can be changed to hollow man for more health damage

[gentle lichen]

pvp build btw

[rain fox]

With the technician change any yellow to blue secondary weapons are just there for the sake of it not part of the build

[mild dawn]

yeah thats nothing in pve

[rain fox]

Ye

[gentle lichen]

made this for pvp and it's genuine cancer

imagine getting mortar'd and staggered then 2 tapped while you can't move your character

[rain fox]

The stats you don't see are the skill efficiency but it's about 45% from 1 red 2 blue core

[gentle lichen]

+T6 shield for the funsies

[rain fox]

Yes lol this build can be played with any skill of preference so it is actually a good new player build with the armour to

Yes shield and artificecer when your using the technician spec

This build is very buggy tho is says I have 186k weapon damage 1 second then 212k the next lol

[soft crane]

sub attributes?

[rain fox]

Crit chance till you cap or as close to cap as you can get

So every piece crit chance

[gentle lichen]

does measured gr9 sync frenzy

[soft crane]

copy that

[rain fox]

Add mods at the end to make it up

@gentle lichen Not for my build ive tested a lot to try get it to work so I got rid of tinkerer and just went for overdogs and used frenzy

[gentle lichen]

honestly if tink just sadist frenzy

[rain fox]

Try having less amoo and add rof and it's best combo but overdogs is just the same right?

So you can lose tinkerer that way

But you do have to go for lower enemies first so it's preference

[gentle lichen]

magdumping syncs it with a margin of an error of ~12 rounds

[rain fox]

That's probably good enough

If you could add 5 rof to gun you might be there

[halcyon sentinel]

good for one shot build?

[rain fox]

I've already done this with my gr9 od build

[soft crane]

oh god the attributes are horrible

I mean its the right attribute but thats gonna cost tons of mats for optimization

[halcyon sentinel]

yea, just found this all of em is min lol

[rain fox]

It could be be you want be able to headshots 1 time then body shot all the rest if you can hit head shot maybe but I go headhunter because I'm bad at aiming

[halcyon sentinel]

i also found this

[soft crane]

err

[rain fox]

Extract. It to library

[gentle lichen]

not that you'd ever put chd minor over dtoc on an smg tho

[halcyon sentinel]

yea i was wondering if i it goes to library or use it somewhere

[rain fox]

Exactly unless that's how you want to run it it's all prefence if you not going for endgame and your early game

[solid phoenix]

technically yes, but white deathe, determined, mantis, shroud and nemesis exist

[solid phoenix]

library💯

[rain fox]

I just made a 1 shot build but it's mostly named pieces if you newer player just use high end ill post it now

[halcyon sentinel]

this uh my gear

[rain fox]

You can replace shroud for white death

Perfect gear

What's you chc chd

[rain fox]

This was the first build I ever used

[wanton hornet]

I know people don't approve but I run Grupo on my Striker. Got way too much chc and with Coyote's I'm usually capped anyway

[halcyon sentinel]

does ninja bike have rgb core attributes?

[rain fox]

If you plan on playing close rang go max chc

Always get 25 chd

[soft crane]

yeh

[rain fox]

But ye 50 chc sounds perfect for coyote as you all way under 25m pretty much

[hazy steeple]

It does, but Memento is better for basically any build you're thinking of, and has the 3 cores too.

[halcyon sentinel]

also does mantis need DTOOC too?

[rain fox]

Yup moment stiker king of solo for me

[halcyon sentinel]

nah i was just asking, since i just got it

[subtle bluff]

All weapons should have DTTooC

[rain fox]

Ye dtoc best in slot unfortunately I only have chd on mine

[reef crystal]

I recently got back to the game and i see everyone running striker are there any dps alternatives that allows me to use riffles?

[teal ibex]

loving this build. my god it punches. had to change 2 mods to crit damage. still 59.2% chance lol

[rain fox]

Ye we are all using this I thinks it tears through most stuff

[teal ibex]

i didnt saw anyone post that one so far

[rain fox]

@reef crystal breaking point if build right

2 million a shot max stacks

M16 main gun

[teal ibex]

bleed build perhaps.

[rain fox]

My build way back was tinkerer mask and eagles grasp glove 4 piece breaking point can't remember both talents but I used luck shot on secondary rifle

Boomerang or rifleman and streamline if you don't use skills

[reef crystal]

ty i'll try that out

[pine oracle]

anything to improve ? thought about farming habsburg with hsd and talent so i can switch blue to red core, but thats kinda insane farm. or is there a better 2p version ?

[rain fox]

If I remember it could beat legendary district union arena if player right was back in like season 8 tho not sure if it's still ggood

@pine oracle looks solid why not add a shroud for big damage to higher enemies

[pine oracle]

i have on in stash, so you mean after i cleared everything with determined talent and only named is left i switch to shroud and deal more dmg on him ?

[steady canopy]

Gonna attempt to make this build but obviously I can’t get the Lexington what fun should I use instead of the Lexington

[patent fossil]

Chainkiller and airaldi vigilance bag is the usual option if you don't have the Habsburg unicorns

[rain fox]

Police m4 is a lex with lower base damage

Stats wise

[soft crane]

Only about 1.7K damage difference btw.

[rain fox]

Yup barely a difference

[soft crane]

And Lex always comes in god rolled and with dtooc as sub attribute

[pine oracle]

ty but what does unicorns mean ?

[steady canopy]

Ah perfect thanks I’ll get the police m4 instead then

[rain fox]

Ye it's what we all ran before we got a lexington it's just a little extra damage for free but can't use with tinkere only downside

[patent fossil]

A very rare item, such as a habsburg chest with hsd, handling and headhunter already on it

[wicked echo]

just got this 😀

what do i replace headshot dmg with ?

[hazy steeple]

CHD (crit damage) would do very nicely on there.

grats on the fantastic Equa!

[wicked echo]

thanks been trying to get one the past week

[languid zenith]

Hey i know its going to suck but trying to theorise best way to make a core strength sniper build thinking tinker mask chain killer then all red core core strength then determined and maybe breadbasket as the talents.

[sinful yarrow]

I currently have CHC maxxed out on watch, should I dump my next points into CHD or Weapon Damage?

[mint axle]

WP

[mild dawn]

chd might be better since if youre building dps you already should have gorillion wd%

[mint axle]

Yeah but I mean, there some exotics and gear sets that already give a ton CHD, and technically if your wp isn't that high, the CHD also will not be that high.

[lone wadi]

ur watch will be maxed eventually so after doing chc first the order of the rest doesnt matter too much imo

[mild dawn]

pick weapon damage and farm for one shot build in anticipation for the next xp event and get to shd 1000

[soft crane]

Just need to change headshot damage with crit damage and you're good to go.

[halcyon sentinel]

would you guys just change the health and optimize the handling?

[analog mural]

sure if i dont feel like finding another chainkiller

[halcyon sentinel]

yea i dont feel like finding another chainkiller lol, even tho it was kinda fast

[analog mural]

yea it was the same story when i got my equalizer, didnt wanna spend time farming, got one with only a weird substat and rerolled it to crit then optimize

[tepid flume]

How exactly does the Github build tool work w/ Strikers Battlegear and Equalizer, does it even take into account stacks from those two weapons and if so can I change the stacks to my liking?

And if it doesn't take into account stacks is there a build/DPS calculator that consideres those two stats when calculating DPS

[smoky latch]

Which GitHub build tool?

[tepid flume]

The one on the spreadsheet

[normal shadow]

Ok @smoky latch I'll admit I was wrong. The GR9 is a really good gun on its own and when Frenzy kicks in it's a beast.

[smoky latch]

I just use it with Frenzy cuz I don't like slow firing guns

[normal shadow]

I do have it with Frenzy, but it's good even when Frenzy isn't kicked in. It's not even slow, it's like 900 rpm IIRC.

[languid zenith]

Okay so made a very very rough determined headhunter core strength marksman rifle build, it works, needs some gine tuning and better aim

But so far was able to solo up to a teir 2 escalation

Core strength giving just enough armor to take a good few hits before needing to get back behind cover

Theres definitely better choices than the ninja bike and hotshot but curious what I should try instead

[patent fossil]

Bear in mind the current overdrive event will be making it stronger than it normally would be

[languid zenith]

Yeah I know, wa kinda the idea

Its still very solid without the event oddly enough

[soft crane]

Its a seasonal modifier isnt it?

[lone wadi]

No

[soft crane]

Seems like a lot of people are going to use this event for escalation.

[shy willow]

Deadeye overdrive significantly boosts handling and damage

[soft crane]

How do you get it?

[shy willow]

It's always on

[patent fossil]

There's two things, seasonal modifiers can give up to 135% hsd if you've set it up right, then deadeye overdrive gives extra assorted bonuses to weapon damage, hsd, handling

[soft crane]

Why are they buffing us for no reason?

[patent fossil]

That's just what they do these days

[hexed steppe]

Dont bother optimizing the handling. Youll get a lot of these chest drops anyways. Just roll health to hsd and youre good

[patent fossil]

Much to the irritation of speedrunners

[soft crane]

Well i guess every runs are going faster.

[shy willow]

And casual players say the game is catered too hard towards vets😭

If we had the option to turn overdrive off it'd be so much better

Okay yes very cool more stats but I wanna play the game properly sometimes

[hexed steppe]

The event is how they buff all the nbb builds everyone be running

[lone glacier]

Bulwark NBB

I shudder to think about that..

[hexed steppe]

But guys, this build shreds

[soft crane]

Ok so I heard the event gives +30% weapon damage. Is it like, 2 red cores?

[languid zenith]

Just curious if using tinkerer mask with marksman rifles what the best 2 talents determined and?

[lone wadi]

You can see all the events buffs in the event menu

[soft crane]

Im not in-game

Im on bed right now. Right beside my waifu. Isnt that right Wraith?

[lone glacier]

60% HSD
30% WD
40% ACC
40% STA
40% Weakpoint

[lone wadi]

Thankyou bulls

[soft crane]

Thanks.

[halcyon crater]

trying to figure this out as well, so far I've settled on that it's only for the first kill the second talent really matter

so far I've gone with preservation for more sustain

[languid zenith]

Im curious if breadbasket works with it

[halcyon crater]

idk but feels like that is just a wasted talent

[lone wadi]

Are you doing high end build

[halcyon crater]

I think rifleman could be pretty good

[languid zenith]

Im trying to do a red core, core strength build with headshot damage, trying to work out where I should have an exotic if at all

[lone wadi]

Is there any reason you’re doing core strength instead of hotshot for snipers other than you don’t wanna run hotshot

[halcyon crater]

I wouldn't do tinkerer if you run CS

cause you would've to sacrifice the chest and then the set is super bad

[languid zenith]

Im trying core strength just to see how it works, purely just scientific

[lone wadi]

how are you gonna run headhunter if you use core strength chest

[languid zenith]

I mean with a MR specifically

[halcyon crater]

was gonna get to that XD

[languid zenith]

Thats what I had so far

[lone glacier]

Uh.. how are you sacrficing the chest since Tinkerer is a mask...?

[lone wadi]

I think you should just do hotshot bro

unless it’s for fun in no world Is core strength doing more damage than hotshot, and you don’t need to reload and hotshot heals on kills

[halcyon crater]

I worded it poorly, but using tink you would've to sac either bp or chest. Not using chest makes CS bad and not using Headhunter on chest makes snipers bad

[languid zenith]

Not looking to do more damage than hotshot, purely just theory crafting

[open pulsar]

Probably overdogs, work with pretty much any build

[languid zenith]

Good point especially with building determined and headhunter

Just need to get myself some

[open pulsar]

Its pretty easy now with retal matchmaking, just get hyena agitation up and most people will do all 3 back 2 back or you can just randomly join people

[languid zenith]

Okay weird thing, tried hotshot build and the core strength build and the headshot damage for both at 0 and full stacks was actually almost the same

Trying to work out why

[halcyon crater]

you can't trust numbers in firing range btw

[languid zenith]

I know i went into escalation

I know the events going right now so im also bearing that in mind

Just tier 0 to test it and there was about a 2000 damage difference

[halcyon crater]

that doesn't really make sense

what is your hotshot setup?

[grizzled garnet]

if this is a dedicated HH determined build i'd

drop ninjabike (common trap for builds)
drop the core gearset
run hotshot holster and knees
run overdogs
run airaldi vigilance backpack

This but with overdogs

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j4Km15oZKIc1Hym0y-G2nMMYDH6mqRgLiumI68E724E/edit?tab=t.0

[lone wadi]

Why overdogs instead of the full hotshot

[lone glacier]

Overdogs is a straight 30% amp

[grizzled garnet]

hotshot is reliant on consistent hits

[lone wadi]

It’s not that hard to hit 3 shots in a row with an 11 round mag is it

[grizzled garnet]

also the 30% amp is hard to pass up

[lone wadi]

I get that but you already do more than enough damage and isn’t the extra armour, no reload, and healing nice

[grizzled garnet]

it depends on the person really

[halcyon crater]

All of that is preference

[grizzled garnet]

yes you CAN run 4pc hotshot

[rain fox]

My jhon wick build is pretty sick I like that's its unlimited ammo

[tepid flume]

Do you have any build tool reccomendations 4 me that meet my needs?

[grizzled garnet]

this is the goto iirc but i dont think its up to date yet
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/

[boreal widget]

Kinda forgot but can we extract stats we max?

[tepid flume]

I tried that but I don't think it lets me set Striker stacks if they're even calced at all

[boreal widget]

Or it needs to be max before we can extract

[smoky latch]

I don't think any build tool has that capability

I use this one:
https://buildstation.app/

[broken nova]

what attachments do you guys put on your harmony with skill builds?

[boreal widget]

My stat I mean attribute

[grizzled garnet]

You cant extract optimized stats

[boreal widget]

Ah sad thanks

[hexed steppe]

crit if you build into crit stats on a skill build, otherwise optimal range and capacity

[mild dawn]

this one, you cant optimize higher than what you have extracted in library

[tepid flume]

Does it even matter since weapon dmg is negligible on pure skill builds?

[grizzled garnet]

Just run countdown... like alot. And then follow the pipeline of

Retaliation library
Expertise/Proficient
Deconstruct

[tepid flume]

Ty anyways

[boreal widget]

😔 I don't want to even visit countdown anymore
Countdown is the reason I quit before
Entire experience became
Login spam countdown logout
Login and spam again

[grizzled garnet]

Unfortunate state of the grind.

[smoky latch]

Retaliations are more fun

[boreal widget]

Ye that's what I've been spamming

And it also doesn't blind me with constant evening/sunset time

[rain fox]

For anyone who enjoys pistols this is my 1 shot build you will feel like jhon wick you can change overdogs gloves for immenece glove and turmoil for the immenece kneepad if you want to multi kill

[smoky latch]

Nothing new, I run the same

[hexed steppe]

determined 😔

[smoky latch]

Gotta show you sth, hang on

@hexed steppe 😂

[rain fox]

This hits hardest tho

[smoky latch]

No it doesn't

[rain fox]

Have you tried it

[smoky latch]

If you switch Turmoil with Fox's, it does

Yes bruh those are the builds we recommend here sometimes

[rain fox]

Ye but I'm hitting so hard I get 2 kills per shot makes sense to keep it

[smoky latch]

Not when it takes you longer to get HH started

This hits harder AFAIK. Using Turmoil here because I only use Determined in solo builds

[rain fox]

Takes me 1 shot not I always get the lowest guys first this is for xp farming no heroic enemy can withstand

Ye that also nice I just wanted chain killer and gift bag

[smoky latch]

Does less dmg tho if I remember the numbers right. You just increase the HSD bucket

[boreal widget]

😋 ignore unrolled elmos

[lone wadi]

Is your watch maxed

[rain fox]

Really how if so this game makes no sense because it's a extra 25% per hh stack

[smoky latch]

Providence is 13% HSD additive

[boreal widget]

nop 334

[lone wadi]

oh nice

[rain fox]

Normal hh 125 per head shot chain killer 150

[lone wadi]

Might be worth switching one mod slot over to chc and changing that depending on what stuff you have maxed in your watch later

[smoky latch]

And the difference from PHH to HH doesn't really matter

Best HH build anyway

[rain fox]

I mean I'm always going to take more damage if I can but I guess it's preferable

Jeez I don't know how people come up with builds like that you must think outside the box looks interesting

[smoky latch]

I did not make it but it's goated

[rain fox]

Oh OK and yes actually looks like something I would use imagine if shotguns could have headhunter

[woeful zodiac]

Any good Tinkerer build for rifles?

[toxic frigate]

Real shit

[smoky latch]

This shotgun archetype is great for HH

[toxic frigate]

I tried that, it feels good

[noble pelican]

Farming for a perfect GR9 is gonna cause brain damage, ngl.

Just had a round where instead of killing the hunters, someone started explaining what route we go, because it's the "easiest", before starting to shoot people to follow him.

In god forsaken challenging countdown.

[smoky latch]

Retaliations

Less $3 players and less headache

[rain fox]

Ye my preference in weapon if I could only choose 1 but there's no good builds that I enjoy with shotgun I think gear strictly for shotguns should come next

[toxic frigate]

HF?

[noble pelican]

Semi-burned out from doing close to 40 BT ones for Eagle tbh lol

[grizzled garnet]

"if shotguns could have headhunter"

do you mean determined?

[toxic frigate]

You don't like HF ?😔

[rain fox]

@grizzled garnet what is this I'm seeing how

[smoky latch]

You will burn out faster in CD

[rain fox]

Ye sorry determined

[toxic frigate]

Eh you dont need determined for shotgun

[grizzled garnet]

it would be nice but pretty op

[toxic frigate]

Just aim better

[rain fox]

That's not something I can do tho

[toxic frigate]

You not going to fight more than 5 metere anyway

[noble pelican]

I've seen people miss with LMG's at that distance..

[rain fox]

That build in the video is that the same build in that screen shot I want to try it

[toxic frigate]

That's either Ping issue or skill.based matchmaking, but yeah those exist

[grizzled garnet]

skill issue (i know people joke but thats actually the issue)

[toxic frigate]

I sometimes constantly getting 300ms playing div 2 so that's exist too

[rain fox]

Controller is a mega difference in weapon handling compared to pc it look like ther shooting lazers

[toxic frigate]

Anyway to answer your question, yeah that build pretty much same as the screenshot

[rain fox]

Thank ill go make it could be my new favourite

[toxic frigate]

I think he use the DH vigilence because he using regulus, but you can switch it to something like The Gift

[rain fox]

Yes Im not using pistols it's perfect with gift for me ty

What chc chd

[toxic frigate]

Not chc chd

[rain fox]

Hs

[toxic frigate]

HSD% and Weapon Handling

[rain fox]

Oh OK no problem

[toxic frigate]

Just pour more on HSD, and WH+ HSD on HE gears

[rain fox]

OK Could I use sherif with this

[toxic frigate]

No

M870 Brazen

[rain fox]

OK shame I want to use but doesn't have the right build

[toxic frigate]

I think backpack, If you just wanna play shotgun, you can just use Providence, Hasburgs with vigilance, or if you a bit grindy person and want a perfection,

Badger Tuff w/ HSD WH and Vigilance

[boreal widget]

I forgot but ivory keys are a long process right?

[smoky latch]

Bro, Habsburg with the right stats is MUCH harder to farm

Badger Tuff can take a bit too, tho (Both roll with blue cores)

[toxic frigate]

Hasburg and Tuff at same situation tbf

[rain fox]

OK well you've set me in the right direction I'll make it work for me thanks again

[smoky latch]

In theory but Habsburg is a different caliber

[toxic frigate]

But yeah atleast HSD roll so you can switch talent to Vigilance

[rain fox]

OK appreciate the info

[smoky latch]

D&H is easiest to farm and perfect for Regulus

[toxic frigate]

Yep, regulus is nice on that

I think regulus is nice on every HSD based build lmao

[noble pelican]

Boy do i hope the upcoming event provides a chance at it again.

[smoky latch]

Just do the project

[noble pelican]

I will, if it doesn't.
No point in doing a weekly-restricted project incl. matchmaking for a first-time clear in a raid if it does.

[smoky latch]

Memento in PvP is meh

Get yourself a CS build with NBB, Brazos and Yaahl or UA

If you don't you'll get melted by it

If you wanna find out more check #td2-pvp-discussions

[blissful seal]

Sorry

[smoky latch]

All good

[rain fox]

Bro I've just realised he has 1 second cool down on shield how

[toxic frigate]

That how shield work

If your shield didn't get damaged at all It will have very short cd when you unequipped it

[rain fox]

Oh ye I thought he shield broke nvm was it gunner spec the best option

[toxic frigate]

We just like gunner because the 5% RoF after kill and 10% Armor on kill

[rain fox]

OK makes sense yes

[toxic frigate]

Also reload faster every 3rds

[rain fox]

I only have the m870 express replica not the same 1 has him

[toxic frigate]

Nah it's still an M870

[rain fox]

What there all same just different skins

[smoky latch]

Any M870 does the job

[toxic frigate]

But if I do suggest better farm it since you have chance to get better roll value

[smoky latch]

Can be military, express or custom

[rain fox]

I have all piece luckily I roll chc to hs

[toxic frigate]

Basically yeah, different Skin, but weapon stats same

[toxic frigate]

Do Damage target out of cover

[smoky latch]

They have minimal differences amongst each other in terms of stability

[rain fox]

Nice well the build is ready looking forward to playing it never used a strictly shotgun play style before I'm an ar guy

[cold pasture]

I need that investor mask build, does it work well with striker though

[teal ibex]

hey yo back again.
HF build (SMG) no chest or backpack? i mean. duration of predator or bigger radius from 5-10 isnt that actually good?

[subtle bluff]

Both aren't great. No dmg talent.

[teal ibex]

gotcha 👍

[bright hill]

THis might be a dumb question. I saw attribute increases for the event this weekend. I fired it up this morning. I didn't notice a change at all when using a sniper. I noticed a change when using AR or LMG. Is there something I'm missing? With sniper I'm seeing the same damage numbers as two days ago.

[toxic frigate]

Usually SMG went used by Striker nowadays

[hazy steeple]

Strikers or Hunters Fury, of course.

[toxic frigate]

Rarely seen people using HF with SMG, but yeah

[teal ibex]

i dont understand eagle bearer haha. but it hurts

[bright hill]

On challenging or easier... Chatterbox with HF is actually kinda fun

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?tab=t.0
@loud fulcrum check this neat little guide

[bright hill]

Get in with the a riot shield... shoots crazy fast, constantly reloads, et 15% smg damage from HF

it's not OP. ,but it's fun when you're just screwing around

[boreal widget]

what is the meta sniper combo?

[smoky latch]

HotDog

[loud fulcrum]

Thank you

[smoky latch]

Look up the term here in this channel

[willow sigil]

Are there any new builds that folks are using to take advantage of the modifier?

[boreal widget]

ah right i dont have 700 carbon can i use shroud?
that thing looks cool too :P

[smoky latch]

You can use any Sniper you like. Looks don't matter tho, lol

[alpine wigeon]

Which is better for a sniper build, The Gift or an Airaldi backpack with vigilance?

[solar sable]

airaldi bc HH scales with Weapon DMG and not HSD

[coral reef]

can anyone hit me with the "you should have an all red build" please, in dire need

*the link

[solar sable]

you need an all blue foundry bulwark ninjabike build

[lone glacier]

Why You Should Run 6 Red Cores

[smoky latch]

The pinned spreadsheet is always available

[coral reef]

where is it on the spreadsheet?

[solar sable]

under Technical Guides in the Hub

[coral reef]

fantastic thanks

[teal ibex]

for ravenous. crit hit chance or dmg out of cover? cuz im not mad for first try

[smoky latch]

DTOC

[unreal remnant]

for an MK48 should I go CHC or DTA?

[tulip charm]

chc

[halcyon sentinel]

what the different between the mod type for gear?

[solar sable]

just a leftover from a previous system

[unreal remnant]

thanks

[halcyon sentinel]

so i just need to find the highest stat?

[solar sable]

Basically, just don't force yourself to, they will drop in the meantime

[long dove]

is aegis gear set any good ? any builds use it?

[tulip charm]

No

[tulip charm]

game doesnt like pure tank builds

[queen mica]

kinda low % and maintaining aggro is hard to do

[long dove]

thnx was wondering the game just threw at me full set :d

[pulsar burrow]

A just for funsies build I threw together. Dark Winter + Ravenous. 4 piece strikers + Overdogs + Equalizer. Dark winter as primary and then Ravenous to kill like armored dudes and wardogs. Stacks from DW carry over when swapping to Ravenous which is nice. Should I run a different gear set?

[long dove]

any blue screen builds? i found one in the google docs but as support not dmg

[bright raptor]

the spreadsheet Negotiator's Dilemma build is pretty fun with Bluescreen

any of the critical hit change + critical hit damage red builds work really well with Bluescreen

[shut dew]

what makes this possible to solo t3 escelation

[long dove]

oh nice i got equalizer + overdogs too

[halcyon crater]

this should easily clear t3, but could do equalizer instead of striker chest since you can't really stack it fully

[shut dew]

i tried and felt super squishy died real fast

[rich cosmos]

What gearsets would work well with rav, also it has “full auto” right?

[halcyon crater]

you're missing some dmg and survivability from watchlvs, but nothing major

the rest is just gameknowledge and positioning

nothing a different build will solve

[icy jasper]

Is this ok , just got tinker mask

P

[limpid pelican]

sharex

[warm lagoon]

What talent for an LMG with striker? Measured?

[limpid pelican]

frenzy

try to get an mk46 or gr9 with crit hit chance 3rd attribute

[solar token]

Does tardigrade still get used? I thought I remembered seeing a tardigrade Scorpio tank build in the spreadsheet a while back

[icy jasper]

I hear people use oD with tinker if so what's the build?

[icy jasper]

It is still valid for support/ tank roles

Depending on the context and group

[obtuse shoal]

loving this event

[clever merlin]

With the new exotic AR you can get 95% bonus rpm

Using umbra centurion weapon with back and forth talent and gunner rof on kill

[icy jasper]

Is this ok

[smoky latch]

Use 2pcs UA, no Fenris

[clever merlin]

Do salvo holster imo and maybe contractors gloves

[smoky latch]

Damage talent on first AR

Contractor's doesn't fit here

Salvo only if crit amounts fit which I doubt

[smoky latch]

Send image of your stats

[clever merlin]

Isn't measured ok for ARs

[smoky latch]

Yup

[icy jasper]

All red btw

[smoky latch]

Is it Measured?

Looks like Overflow to me

[icy jasper]

Was thinking killer / strained tho

Or killer / streamline

[onyx sage]

point and laugh

[smoky latch]

No streamline. Can't use it when a skill is active on on cooldown

[smoky latch]

Bro the quality is shit, looks like Overflow 😭

If it's Measured it's fine

[icy jasper]

[smoky latch]

How much above 60 CHC are you?

[clever merlin]

Could use 3 UA for the memes tbh

Or a palisade if you want AoK

[icy jasper]

Not quite sure

[smoky latch]

Could use NBB for memes

[smoky latch]

Change AR mods rq and see

[icy jasper]

I added a 10% chd mod n I'm at 56

[solar sable]

you're just missing optimization then

[smoky latch]

That's good I'd say. Hey lurker, any other suggestions @onyx sage ?

[onyx sage]

it's fine

[icy jasper]

What's the meta tinker x OD build tho?

[smoky latch]

OD Tinkerer is nice

[icy jasper]

4x OD with tinker and ceska chest with wicked and sadist lmg n pressure point or??

[solar sable]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10Zu9fKBuzxZ_EDlx_hkm2HN_f_KZltlZu7I8LRyceVE/edit?usp=sharing

[icy jasper]

Ty

Uh can I click on that or

[onyx sage]

yes

[solar sable]

it's from the Spreadsheet

[icy jasper]

Oh it's the sheet

Ty!

[long dove]

its insane im doing 450m dmg with just set i got not fully optimized

[teal ibex]

i did 2bil damage on escalation t2 lol

like daham eagle bearer👀

[icy jasper]

Slightly off topic but is this worth crafting and using or nah

[onyx sage]

no

[icy jasper]

Kk cool

[clever merlin]

Don't forget there's an event that's inflating everyone's damage

[teal ibex]

i dont forget haha.

[icy jasper]

What event?

[long dove]

oh man its so fun lol

[icy jasper]

Oh deadeye

[teal ibex]

qeustion.
rn 400shd.
using striker build/overdog.
died in a legend dua like 12 times lol. position issue or build issue?

4 man btw

[icy jasper]

Probably skill issue and ofc positioning

And probably group lacks a healer or CC

[teal ibex]

we had a healer. only he was healing the others too constantly xD

[long dove]

and i was playing with striker set/ elmo and i didnt melt enemies like this its like the status/dmg combo much better

[icy jasper]

Then on ur part skill issue

[inland hound]

ngl if im healing and i see a 400 shd dying often, im not wasting my heals respectfully

[icy jasper]

Although those explosive thingy be annoying

[onyx sage]

both kinda

[icy jasper]

Also ur 400 shd so it's not that bad

[teal ibex]

figured much.
i shoot 1 time. i get 8 grenade and 4 drones on me. guess why i died xD

[onyx sage]

yeah shd does make a diff

[icy jasper]

Well depends on what u invested first into

[inland hound]

im 1800 shd, 30 prof, maxed out proto gear and a demon player. and i still get kicked for being "low SHD" compared to a 20k+ in legendary missions/

[icy jasper]

If they're 400 then they could already have max chc, wd and chd

[onyx sage]

500, more like, and only 2

[icy jasper]

The top 4

[icy jasper]

Ah

[teal ibex]

hp/armor wp dmg and skill haste

[icy jasper]

But leg regardless at ur level isn't a cake walk so either go back to heroic or just get better

[onyx sage]

you can still do it

it's just going to be slightly harder

[silent storm]

Legendary is finishable with 0 expertise

[onyx sage]

soloable even

[cosmic idol]

If revive hive goes on cool down, does that affect Streamline talent?

[icy jasper]

At least it's Dua so it's a pretty straight forward DPS check all through

[silent storm]

yes

[lone wadi]

Of course

[icy jasper]

Yes all skills will

[lone wadi]

This is why streamline is not good if uoi wanna use skills (you wanna use skills)

[icy jasper]

U need both of ur skills active or not in CD for streamline to proc

[cosmic idol]

Dang. What would be a better talent for an AR besides Killer if I want to make a Tinkerer's mask build?

[silent storm]

Measured or Ranger

[icy jasper]

It's good for if ur using skills with low cd like shields and drones

[clever merlin]

Strained optimist fast hands

[lone wadi]

When drone is deployed streamline is also inactive

[icy jasper]

Preservation is good too

[silent storm]

Fast Hands is really nice, even better for LMG

[cosmic idol]

Since I use Pulse a lot, should I change it to Flatline?

[icy jasper]

It doesn't say

[onyx sage]

wrong tooltip

[icy jasper]

Cool down and active abilities is different no??

[lone wadi]

try it yourself in range

[icy jasper]

Yea it'll be good

Although u should probably run tech laser

So u can keep it up anyway

[icy jasper]

Explain...

[clever merlin]

I think it's more the tooltip is misleading

[inland hound]

^^

[clever merlin]

You definitely don't get it when you pull out a shield

[icy jasper]

Is this worth using btw

[onyx sage]

no

[clever merlin]

Save it when there's an expertise event and dismantle it

[icy jasper]

Nah it's my only one and I like to have at least one copy of each exotic

I just threw it in the stash

Has anyone done any testing with talents like back and forth with versatile and scabbard or nah

[cosmic idol]

If I'm running Measured talent for one of my AR's, would it be better to run a Grupo Obliterate chest for the crit damage instead of Equalizer?

[icy jasper]

Or the new exotic AR

[willow swan]

Hi, I've been playing the game on ps5 for a few days now for platinum, but also to play it again. I have this stuff, is it ok? Knowing that I'm dying fast and doing average damage

[icy jasper]

I feel u can fit a grupo somewhere else on the build if high end so idk

[clever merlin]

I have

They're aight nothing special but it's more fun than striker/TS etc

[icy jasper]

But regular obliterate is 20 n perk is 24 so not much of a DPS increase overall

[clever merlin]

You pair it with salvo since you get 2pc UA too

[icy jasper]

Perfect imo is only good and worth using if ur using salvo

Although the 5% rof is ok

[grizzled garnet]

the general idea is there but not fully.

you want a proper damage weapon (st elmos if you have it. m4, f2000, famas, backfire if not)
you want to lose the strikers chest and get obliterate. (preferably the equalizer but negligible diff)
preferably drop the exotic holster and use overdogs (if not you can sub for coyotes mask or exodus gloves)
your skills arent really suited for the build. run a shield (striker if on firewall specialization, crusader if not)
you want to get better rolls on your gear. maximize your crit hit chance to ~55% and then go all in on crit hit damage

follow this for more info

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?tab=t

[icy jasper]

Striker chest still good for higher tiers in escalation where it's not hard to get the max stacks

Or in mastery / leg 4 man

[grizzled garnet]

i wouldnt say they're at escalation level yet

[icy jasper]

But day to day content obliterate or glass cannon is better

People forgot about pgc / gc 🤕

[clever merlin]

Equalizer is fine by itself

Example build is 4 striker equalizer memento tech tank

Use technician and mix some blue cores to get to t5/6 shield and use an AR with laser pointer + flatline

[icy jasper]

Seems good for solo ngl

I always used ceska with obliterate

[summer totem]

Banshee with Nightwatcher does it work?

[grizzled garnet]

memento is nice but falls off when in teamplay since you'll be competing with everyone for kills

[clever merlin]

Yup. What I listed is a solo build for heroic

[icy jasper]

It can yea especially if ur using a gun that doesn't have the under barrel laser

[summer totem]

What happens if you have the under barrel laser

[icy jasper]

U don't need the pulse skill

[grizzled garnet]

they're referring to the technician linked laser

[cyan wolf]

whats the best place to farm for dark winter smg?

[summer totem]

What's the minimum cool down for skills? I wanted to know if i could spam banshee more when using nightwatcher with red and blue core strength build with memento

[icy jasper]

Although u will loose a mod slot / chc mod on ur gun but ur gain a permanent upt time for talents like hb or flatline/ spotter running tech laser

[clever merlin]

Countdown iirc to open caches?

It's dz exclusive still or no

[uncut yarrow]

would we say Harrier Pride or Memento is better for a Heroic Retaliation, Heartbreaker Ravenous build? (i know its weird, im just wondering if we think itd be better with relying on kills, or just getting hits and taking hits)

[icy jasper]

Named / conflict caches or dz

[summer totem]

Rn my banshee cooldown is 10 seconds, i wonder if it will go down even more

[cyan wolf]

idk nothinbutskillz said its not

[icy jasper]

Dark winter isn't in the general target loot pool

So just farm dz or conflict caches or wait till one of vendors has it or acquire named caches

[grizzled garnet]

the spreadsheet still notes it as a dz weapon

i believe it can drop from houndsman dogs though

[icy jasper]

Named caches have dz stuff same with conflict

[cyan wolf]

where are the dz vendors

[summer totem]

I got my dark winter yesterday from dark zone

[grizzled garnet]

main entrances to each darkzone

[cyan wolf]

also wheres the spreadsheet so i can refference it for other things

[grizzled garnet]

📌

[cyan wolf]

sick thanks

[icy jasper]

There's 3 outside of each dz west , east and south main entrances

The vendors rotate every week along with everything else so hopefully you'll get the dw in them

U will still need to farm d, n deconstruct contaminated items to get the resource to extract from dz n collect from ur stash to use it at the vendors tho

[clever merlin]

Countdown store can have it too right

[icy jasper]

So I'm not sure

But with prototype and escalations being popular n people Still grinding expertise in my experience dz lately hasn't been that active so

Just brain dead farm landmarks n extract

Also regular killer is still peak

Dw is nice tho especially if u have the skin

[willow swan]

Thanks

[clever merlin]

@icy jasper there were my weapon swap build

Can add umbra too with centurion vigil but shotguns don't benefit that much from rpm boost unfortunately

HF build isn't that bad since you can get 90% dmg amp with full HF stacks

[icy jasper]

Interesting

[steady slate]

hey guys what do you recommend for guns and chest/bag for a Coco build? im new and this is the first one im doing

i was thinking maybe a sniper and LMG or AR

[willow swan]

I hope it’s easy to find those stuff i have nothing

[grizzled garnet]

it'll take time but it is a game of grinding after all

[solar sable]

take a whole read at the Lvl40 Starters Guide
It will tell you the options you have and how to start your endgame journey

[steady slate]

i read this earlier and it didnt have a build for concentrated company that i saw, ive got a striker build i moreso meant this is the first build im doing that i didnt see any builds for the guide, yfeel?

[solar sable]

well, CoCo uses the same setup as Nego

CoCo isn't a build for solo, it's for groups

[steady slate]

ooo the nego setup ty

[grizzled garnet]

if this is your first build i wouldnt recommend going for coco.

if not
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eVw6Uwj4jzneyF7P2oEzHqZi08vPkTN_wIjKT7ifIyA/edit?usp=drive_link

there is/was a lengmo alternative HE setup but its gone from the sheet apparently

[solar sable]

either way that build isn't recommended for new players due to having three unicorns

[grizzled garnet]

indeed

get a strikers and youre set for like... all content

[silent storm]

I'm going to state an unpopular opinion and say that Named Items are not ever unicorns

[solar sable]

????????

[grizzled garnet]

what are you considering unicorns from the coco build?

[silent storm]

Yeah, Named Items are simple to farm as the Talent is always the same

[ivory abyss]

the unicorns are the lengmo pieces lol

[silent storm]

And Backbone isn't a unicorn

[solar sable]

It's still considered unicorn bc Lengmo is a blue brand. Doesn't matter if it's a Named item or not.

[ivory abyss]

try getting those 3 legnmo items as they are in the pic and let me know how that goes

[silent storm]

I have them

[ivory abyss]

yeah and they didnt take 2 hours to get or drop easy lol

they roll blue core which means you need the backpack to roll with chc/chd same with the others

[silent storm]

I'll go one further and say I am 66.7% to a real unicorn on the chest

[ivory abyss]

how is that chest 66.7% btw

[silent storm]

Yeah but the Backbone you just need CHC/CHD you'll get that in less than 5 Countdown or Retal runs

[ivory abyss]

LMAO

being as I have run over 200 countdowns in the last month and never seen that backpack thats a lie

[silent storm]

Talent and one crit lol

[flint arch]

blue core items are weighted to drop with blue attributes

[ivory abyss]

you are still missing another red attribute and a red core

[flint arch]

anyway, i only got my pieces because lengmo was the TL where houndsman was and it still took me a few hours to get them and i still don't even have a holster, imagine not having krampus or houndsman bounties to rely on, you're going to have to rot in countdown or retaliation for days

[ivory abyss]

so thats 50% not 66.7% lol

[silent storm]

Well I haven't changed it yet

[stone python]

Is this a good Iron Lung+ Tipping scales build? do i need tipping's backpack and chest piece?

[silent storm]

So it is 66.7% god rolled, like a lesser god roll

[ivory abyss]

it would be pointless to change it because it wouldnt make it all red lol

so its still 50% boss

Until the need is there to change it then its not even a consideration so its not factored in lol

[flint arch]

is good, just make sure your CHC is at 60% even if you overcap

[grizzled garnet]

it'll work. chest not really neccessary

[fickle sparrow]

does anything outperform tipping scales and big al build for raw dps? my strikers close but big al gives more sustained fire...i should add i dont use overdogs so dont include any builds related to them....i usually go coyotes or exodus as im finding them very useful as im not quite there yet were i can take next to know damage

[silent storm]

The GC chest has CHC which is nice as missing 12% CHD on Lengmo Pesti isn't goinng to hurt much

[grizzled garnet]

you tried big al on strikers?

[silent storm]

Big Al is an anomaly as it's so good

[ivory abyss]

but to act like anyone can just run 5 countdowns and get those lengmo items is crazy lol I have set lengmo to TL just for fun to see if I get "lucky" on any of the unicorns and nothing even close lol

[silent storm]

I'm just saying that Named Items aren't true unicorns

[fickle sparrow]

@grizzled garnet i did but prob unfairly as i just switched weapon on my current striker and it lacked some crit chance......do you mean striker with chest and backpack? as i usually just do the backpack

[stone python]

60% chc

[ivory abyss]

it depends on the named item

I have still yet to ever get an all reds chd chc zero Fs that i can roll red core on lol

[silent storm]

That's my Anarchist's Cookbook, but I haven't really target farmed it either though

[steady slate]

yeah thats true and i went and got a strikers and i totally get why its the set for new players but i just wanted something a little more active and coco gave me some teamplay to build around.

is there any like, ricochet builds in this game or something? it feels like its all just numbers and buffs

or a skill spam build even

[grizzled garnet]

there are skill builds

take a look at the build section of the pinned spreadsheet

but in division theres no such thing as a "ricochet build". you could argue that negotiators dilemma sorta maybe kinda fits the description but very loosely

[steady slate]

ill check that one out thanks

[grizzled garnet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_4UqMQwbnO8M125LgDCX1jJ86LsRkPVKjTwFndPo2zY/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.7vfhmvazeq14

tldr:

negotiators dilemma marks up to 3 enemies and it transfers damage among them

[silent storm]

It adds DMG to them not Transfer

[grizzled garnet]

same diff

[silent storm]

No Turmoil Transfers DMG

ND does more DMG to marks

[steady slate]

those are both pretty much what i want to do

can i run ND with turmoil pretty effectively?

[silent storm]

it's kinda pointless to do so

[steady slate]

hmm okay, just get some ND pads then

[grizzled garnet]

tltldr:

negotiators dilemma takes the number you dealt to a marked enemy, calculates 60% (or 112% with pack) and adds/applys/deals it to the other marked enemies

[silent storm]

And make sure the Backpack as that raises the DMG to 112%

[steady slate]

the way i understood Coco is that its a group version of damage sharing on marks sorta like turmoil or ND

[silent storm]

CoCo amps your DMG based on how many things hit targets you mark

[steady slate]

OH i get you its a buff

yeah reading comprehension low here but i see what it is now, i def wanted an ND setup

[steady slate]

saving this ty

reminds me of Amara chain damage sharing in borderlands so this sounds fun

[grizzled garnet]

youre better off saving the link since its has more detail

[uncut yarrow]

What's does Nego's do again?

[cerulean smelt]

you crit a target, it marks them. then you can either mark 3 or 5 depending if you wear the chest and all your crit damage transfers to all the marked targets

[grizzled garnet]

the chest is almost never used

[cerulean smelt]

just the backpack now that it's 112% crit transfer damage

[uncut yarrow]

that sounds kinda gross ngl

i might have to mess with it. i like Bluescreen a lot but my builds just feel like im using a nerf gun with it so maybe this one will feel better

[cerulean smelt]

depends how many armor cores you attach to it. too much it'll feel like a nerf gun

[uncut yarrow]

i dont even remember. that could be a factor and im just forgetting

[cosmic idol]

How ballsy do you have to be to use The Sacrifice?

[cerulean smelt]

we need a PVGC tag that people opt into 😹

[livid sorrel]

Like, more than average

[cosmic idol]

I kinda want to use it to remind me of Division 1

[uncut yarrow]

aw

[cerulean smelt]

would be the oppisite wouldn't it?

turning bullet sponges to nothing more than a spec of dust that kind of annoys you?

[cosmic idol]

Well, Division 1 had that talent where you deal more damage and take more damage, no? I faintly remember it

[uncut yarrow]

glass cannon

[cerulean smelt]

not div 1, it was named different i believe

[uncut yarrow]

99% of RPGs have something that does that in one way or another

[cerulean smelt]

but i think even in div 1 the talent didn't make the game trivial like div 2 one does. in 1 they were still taking a bunch of bullets 😹

[uncut yarrow]

idk

[cosmic idol]

Im guessing the damage isn't as good compared to a stacked Obliterate

[lone wadi]

not more ballsy but just need to play smarter

[uncut yarrow]

i played Divison 1 a total of like 30 hours like 8 years ago

[cosmic idol]

Well, I tried the Sacrifice. Proceeded to get back shotted by a rusher

[uncut yarrow]

well you gotta kill the rusher before bro gets to you. thats the whole deal with more dmg over armor

[lone wadi]

well howd he end up behind you

[plush thistle]

positioning is very important

[cerulean smelt]

probably ignored them or using a scope so their fov is a tiny circle

[cosmic idol]

Was in cover shooting front and didn't look behind me. The footsteps sure did scare me though

[lone wadi]

look at minimap more

[uncut yarrow]

not even glass cannons fault at that point

[icy jasper]

Anyone else kinda still just use striker Elmo when doing random mm heroic content

[cerulean smelt]

considering the global directive for turning that ineffective isn't on

[icy jasper]

I usually do or I'll run high end or fi

[cosmic idol]

All directives were on