td2-build-advice

[smoky latch]

Relog and see if the stats change

[minor grove]

loving measured so well try it

[timid token]

Wrong one again

[glad thicket]

I logged out many times bro

[soft crane]

Good enough. By the time you reach level 1000 SHD, your Crit chance should raised a bit just enough from hitting the cap. 60%

[boreal widget]

ig
is this still rare?

[timid token]

Ye but my current stats on chc is 54% and chd is 115

[soft crane]

Not really. I have it since forever.

[smoky latch]

Well you drop a SS with no context. Since there's a known bug going around I just thought I'd let you know before you get all disappointed later. If it remains a god roll, cheers I guess

[soft crane]

Also good enough.

[timid token]

Yep

And I’m shredding thing on heroic with 4 directive on

[smoky latch]

The loot pool from named items is quite large, it's always RNG

[minor grove]

i hate that when u get god roll on proto then u have to log out to see what u get even if its only 2 then when u log back in its never more than 1 🙁 i gamble and jsut log out before checking since its never the other way around 🙁

[smoky latch]

Keep in mind there are still seasonal / special items that cannot drop from those named item caches

[glad thicket]

I flied to Manning zoo, it still keep those attributes

Omg 😲, god roll 💀

[smoky latch]

Relogging refreshes the proto item stats tho, not fast travelling

[buoyant perch]

Manning zoo is in a different server, it is effectively the same as log out/log in

Plus he has logged out logged in

[smoky latch]

Alright, thx for this info

[minor grove]

probably lied to lol

[smoky latch]

I want him to have the god roll, it's just sad to see ppl getting disappointed with the bug currently

[glad thicket]

Holy moly, its real man ❤️❤️
My god i thought proto roll just for only 1 attribute 😆

[boreal widget]

🤔 what was the name of the stage again where we fight the lovebirds

[smoky latch]

Meret Estate

[boreal widget]

Ah right do people still play it?
Since they removed oroboros/ red drops? From what I've heard

[lunar imp]

is the purist better than the regular smg9 for group play? if not, what’s the best talent to get on the smg9 for group play typically

[smoky latch]

Now more than ever due to proto core farm

[smoky latch]

Unwavering. Purist is mid due to its talent

[glad thicket]

Just for proto cores brother
1 box has 2 cores

[minor grove]

nice!

[lunar imp]

over measured or strained?

[smoky latch]

Depends on your build as always

[glad thicket]

Measure or killer

[lunar imp]

hunters fury or strikers with equalizers but my passive modifier has a 45% magazine increase

[smoky latch]

Converted SMG-9 with Unwavering is nice for Striker's for instance

[boreal widget]

Wow

[smoky latch]

Makes it a laser for as long as the talent is active and it's good overall. Can go for Killer or Measured if you want to use it for damage

[timid token]

Is game server down

[smoky latch]

Or Back and Forth talent, keep forgetting

[smoky latch]

Idk for PS but PC was fine earlier

[timid token]

Ok

[lunar imp]

oh yeah i’ve been using agitator too the swappings pretty handy when running quickstep

[lunar imp]

similarly shotgun recommendations for either of these builds, currently using rock and roll

[smoky latch]

Shotguns usually greatly benefit from Brazen in terms of damage

If you use it for stacking, Fast Hands is nice

[lunar imp]

i’d say i’m looking for great burst dps for a tanky enemy, solo or group play.
Would any shotgun with brazen work or are there any specific ones? like thorn maybe

[smoky latch]

M870 family is great for burst DMG

Thorn is okay too

[lunar imp]

ok i’ll farm for that

[clever merlin]

Anyone here using defender drone build

[smoky latch]

Usually for PvP

[viral field]

What's a good foundry build for group play

[vital delta]

im trying to reconfigure my gear and it keeps saying i havent met all crafting conditions even though i have all stuff for it? or am i missing something

[clever merlin]

Can you reconfigure overdogs?

[hard fiber]

Vanguard chest, levioso backpack, 4 piece foundry, Scorpio shotgun, firewall striker shield, 6 blue cores, armour regen rolls everywhere

[vital delta]

i cant reconfigure the overdogs but Bloody Knuckles work... so idk what im doing wrong

[clever merlin]

Doesn't it roll with wp chc chd what? Just want better rolls I guess instead of optimizing?

[vital delta]

seems like we both cant reconfigure
maybe its a widespread bug of sorts?

[viral field]

It might be a bugged

[vital delta]

well this is rough... Overdogs finally drop but with the lowest imaginable stats and i cant do anything about it... :(

[smoky latch]

@iron plover do you have an idea, by any chance?

[iron plover]

Nope, haven't heard anything about this.

[clever merlin]

Can't you optimize?

Might suck cause it's a lot of mats but better than nothing

Are all amp damage the same?

Like with OD chest sadist pressure point (tinkerer)

Is it all multiplicative?

[vital delta]

that would eat through all of my materials... 6% WP and 4% crit chance lol

[silent storm]

is your invo full?

[vital delta]

not even half full, no

[silent storm]

try relog

[vital delta]

tried just now, no go :(

[buoyant perch]

Yes. Anp1 x amp2 x amp3 x .... Amp n

[vital delta]

ill just use something other than Overdogs, im sure itll fix itself after some time

[clever merlin]

I see. I'm assuming it's the same for versatile + HF

[willow sigil]

iirc overdogs is bugged, your recon wont take your overdogs because blacklisters req overdogs for the recal

[languid zenith]

So got a friend running a sadist striker build, want to run a ongoing Directive build that helps but isnt just straight damage and no survivability, any reccomendations

[dim blaze]

I’m trying to build an eclipse protocol build and using chem fire starter explosions are great but it just don’t cut it (only tried countdown mind ) I’m just so used to strikers I feel like I’m shooting blanks , any advice ? Ep bag chest gloves and holster , chill out mask grupo knees with only 71k dmg and only 1.1m armor

[hasty bough]

(meant to type that in search)

[smoky latch]

Your job as CC isn't shooting tho

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/14MZ6tJi32BGwntI01VEnuqdzuGTpVijyQDOPmX593FM/edit?usp=drivesdk

[dim blaze]

Should I be rolling chc chd and everything or skill damage or 50/50

[smoky latch]

This is a good general fire build

[dim blaze]

Tks I’ll take a look

[languid zenith]

Would a blue core ongoing Directive build with scorpions be any good for just helping apply status effects to enemies and giving team bleed bullets

[smoky latch]

Run all red, much more effective

[languid zenith]

All red with a shotgun?

[smoky latch]

No, LMG is recommended

[languid zenith]

Im wanting to use scorpio with ongoing specifically

[smoky latch]

You want large magazines to make the most of the hollow point ammo

Use Banshee Pulse from the Gunner spec

[languid zenith]

Its more about supplying bleed bullets to team who run lmg damage builds with sadist

Aswell as all the effects to the enemies that scorpio does

[onyx sage]

any gun will get the bleed bullets, and as long as you shoot them, you'll keep looping the bullets to your team

you don't need scorpio for that, you might as well use a gun that does more damage

[languid zenith]

Yeah I guess I just meant for the initial proc

[onyx sage]

use riot foam, emp sticky, blinder firefly, etc.

[dim blaze]

@smoky latch This feels a lot better and I’m far from optimized thanks !!

[hexed steppe]

Drop the fire. For countdown lookup hazpro eclipse cc on the build guide.
For fire eclipse run this

Hazpro eclipse

[dim blaze]

Where’s the guide ? And I don’t need back pack ?

[hexed steppe]

For countdown you dont want the fire, you want foam and you wont need the bag for foam

[dim blaze]

Foam instead of fire ? Does that spread too ?

Gotcha Tks

[hexed steppe]

Your teamates have targets that are stuck in place. Their killing will keep the foam spreading

[dim blaze]

Wow cool . I’m fairly new Tks

I’m really squishy tho that’s only thing I don’t like

[hexed steppe]

Thats all I run in countdown and its never let me down. Outside of countdown ill run fire instead

You always will be on a skill build

[hexed steppe]

just got back to pc, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PtQ3fuvfeu119uhu_q-pgxQysQx6FUgAMzq7xtqYFZE/edit?usp=drive_link

personally i like to be disrupt immune, you could roll with status effects instead of hazard protection if you prefer. withhout hazpro, hunters can and will shut your skills down for a time if they get a chance tho

[copper yarrow]

What's the better choice to build Striker stacks, Stack broker or Rock n roll?

[silent storm]

Do I run it?

[frozen hull]

I prefer stack broker cause you can change the talent to brazen

[copper yarrow]

Wouldn't fast hands be a better talent in terms of pure stacking?

[frozen hull]

Probably but I like brazen cause I like to get the damage and the stacks go up fast no matter what especially if you target a tank

It’s upto preference really .. but stack broker is my favorite option just cause of the talent change rock n roll is good too

[hard fiber]

rock n roll with striker chest, stack broker with brazen or back and forth when using obliterate chest

[hard fiber]

fast hands is also fine

[subtle bluff]

Back n forth

[copper yarrow]

SO stack broker with back and forth talent

[subtle bluff]

Just be ready for the recoil

[tulip adder]

Hello, can I tweak my build or leave as is?

[solar sable]

get rid of blue mods, use CHC mods instead
You need +50% CHC

[tulip adder]

Ok, thanks. I'm at 46.3% CHC.

[strong cave]

😬

[dreamy valve]

Found some nice tank builds from Widdz, can’t wait to try them out

[strong cave]

is it core strength?

[dreamy valve]

Naw, it was old loadouts he used to solo Incursion, so I made slight tweaks to them

[tall jackal]

As long as its not cs

[dreamy valve]

I junk mine lmao

[hexed steppe]

probably the best build youve got

[strong cave]

i think he should jog it tbh

[dreamy valve]

That was my year one endgame build lol

When I was like shd 10

[elfin atlas]

Anyone got a good solo build with the Scorpio

[subtle bluff]

Scorpio DPS is rather low to be primary weapon focus build. It’s mainly used for support builds.

[subtle bluff]

Who use to solo incursion?

[exotic talon]

for 4pc striker with chest and bp + overdogs, what should the 6th piece be

[fair dragon]

Ceska or Grupo would be my guess

[exotic talon]

i decided to go with turmoil since the idea is to stack damage with chest + bp using big al

[sinful tinsel]

does tinkerer work with 2 of the same talent

[exotic talon]

no

[sinful tinsel]

ok thx

[exotic talon]

also doesnt work with perfect talents

[sinful tinsel]

ok thx, i was thinking i could use double flatline/perfect flatline but that would be way too op

[clever merlin]

this sesaon you can reach 100% pfe with modifiers and 6 13% mods

[short verge]

true 100% PfE? like no damage taken from yellow bars at all???

[clever merlin]

i dont have 6 13% mods but here's what i have with 4 pfe and max pfe modifiers

also if you use tier 6 defender drone with this you basically cant die unless you get emp'd

[dull drum]

is the pestiliance good with all yellow?

[flint arch]

no. pesti effect is not a status effect, and foregoing red cores will just hurt your tick damage

[surreal shell]

What a good tank build for dark zone

[versed summit]

Pfe is capped at 80

[versed summit]

There's some good builds in the pinned spreadsheet.

Look for the PvP starter guide

[clever merlin]

oh i didnt know that lol

[drifting wraith]

w raiden pfp

[tacit hamlet]

Always looking for others who can help! I'd DM you but looks like I'd be ignored... 🤣

DM me, would love to chat!

[bold lance]

in the spreadsheet theres 2 builds for 1 shot regulus. is 1 better than the other? what is the use cases

[smoky latch]

The HHF build is awesome for spawn control due to its CC. Great in legendaries even

[onyx sage]

high end is more for raids where spawns aren't that frequent to keep up HF stacks

for open world, missions and legendaries HHF is better and easier to use

[short verge]

as close as john DPS as i could scrounge atm, crit chance crit damage attributes, crit damage mods wherever

[gentle lichen]

It's good but striker slop will outperform it by a lot
Though a rifle crit build is just a worse AR build imo

[short verge]

this is literally whats close as to whats in the build spreadsheet, go bother them

[smoky latch]

It's an old high-end meta DPS build

aside from the guns

[versed summit]

Its still good for the raids, but mostly outclassed elsewhere

[gentle lichen]

Doesn't striker already outperform a general dps at below 50 stacks?

[flint arch]

each build guide in the spreadsheet shows when were they last updated. this one's a while back

[short verge]

i see

[gentle lichen]

Especially if it's a pgc vigi striker

[flint arch]

idk but it's either very close or slightly better

[short verge]

dont argue with me then, im not the one who made the build in the spreadsheet

[flint arch]

personally high-end builds are extremely sluggish for me, i have to maintain 100% overdogs uptime just to have it be "ok"

[urban latch]

the biggest advantage that build has is that it can easily run DCH+regulus combo.

[gentle lichen]

No one is arguing i'm just saying lol

[broken edge]

i've done the thing with the thing

[smoky latch]

Sheesh someone was grinding cores and proto items

[gentle lichen]

I can only proto my pvp builds 🫠

[broken edge]

it was a drop 🙃

[smoky latch]

That's pretty good for a drop. What tier?

[urban latch]

hopefully recal will eventually be a thing lol

[smoky latch]

Brother I hope so

[urban latch]

theres a couple items im saving with those hopes

[broken edge]

found 3 to be pretety comfy

[gentle lichen]

3?!

[smoky latch]

Do you play only in groups?

[gentle lichen]

Yeah it really feels like scratching lottery tickets

[smoky latch]

I did T4/5 solo for a while but I got nothing

[gentle lichen]

Groups do increase enemy spawns so ig there is a higher chance

[smoky latch]

Yeah I noticed it seems to be only dependant on the amount of NPCs

But mm with randoms on T6 and above - no thank you (cuz of tokens)

[violet saddle]

Remember div1 where we could reroll 2 attributes of classified gear? I want that back 🙁

[plain nova]

Are contractors gloves any good these days

[subtle bluff]

There not bad there are genreally better choices.

[shy willow]

They get more love in escalation

[flint arch]

Escalation bringing back the old meta in very minor ways

[plain nova]

What do you mean by that?. .... OD LMG build looking for tweaks. Old player just returning

[hazy hull]

What's the best exotic to replace memento since I seriously can't use it

Either tags ain't dropping enough or I'll pick up tags to start building stacks and immediately be killed by swarming enemies

[plain nova]

Never like memento so anything ... Loo

[bright raptor]

Adrenaline Rush backpack, consider Badger or Sokolov if you haven't got a Matador

[plain nova]

Ninja backpack seems cool but I'm mostly talking out my a$$

[flint arch]

ninjabike bag is a noob trap

[bright raptor]

^

[flint arch]

ongoing directive

[plain nova]

Fair

[broken edge]

do random matchmaking, more enemies with more players

[plain nova]

Current build

[hazy hull]

Okay

[flint arch]

get rid of the backpack, use a ceska backpack with wicked instead

[smoky latch]

Yeah doing T4 MM atm

[plain nova]

So pull gloves for backpack?

[flint arch]

yes

[violet saddle]

How so?

[flint arch]

you lose more by dropping the backpack talent than any potential stats you can gain from mix and matching gear/brand sets

[plain nova]

Thoughts on bulldog vs wicked back pack

[smoky latch]

Bulldog is utterly redundant

Also you compare two very different talents on a backpack

[silent storm]

Not entirely, it's just weak

[quiet plinth]

since lexington is evil and not available
im having a hard time picking a high end assault rifle to go after
ive tried the famas with killer (without maxxed stats, but even still), and i found the mag size with the reload time drastically reducing how effective it was despite the burst damage, id often find myself taking twice as long to kill something cuz id have to go through a longer reload than most ARs

[smoky latch]

Hence, utterly redundant

5% WH intrinstic, c'mon

I rather take a useful brand set with either unstoppable force or vigilance

Composure is whatever

[silent storm]

These 3 are decent replacements for the Police M4/Lexington if you don't have it

[quiet plinth]

i think a huge thing for me might actually be the mag size ngl

i forgot i tried a police m4 too

[smoky latch]

The MK16 is too slow for Striker's

[flint arch]

790+ rpm for striker

[smoky latch]

CTAR = FAMAS, The P416 is okay

[quiet plinth]

i think im gonna do it

[flint arch]

lexington is basically a reskinned police m4 anyway

[smoky latch]

Yeah go for Police M4 as best allrounder

[quiet plinth]

im going to REMOVE A SOURCE OF CRIT DAMAGE from the build
and replace the mag with increased mag size

[smoky latch]

Carbine 7 is nice too, tho

[cerulean smelt]

but but it's not a lexington 😹

[flint arch]

you weren't using the mag size mods?

[smoky latch]

Oh noe, prestige

[quiet plinth]

i hate this server its so evil that you cant use external emotes
i cannot properly express my emotions with weird images

[flint arch]

mag size is more valuable than the 10% CHD you get

[silent storm]

This is also nice and was my go to weapon for a long time

[quiet plinth]

yeah but not from my preset board of funny images built in

[quiet plinth]

i was for LMGs but i remember reading around that in most cases once you hit 60% crit chance, in all places you should be running crit damage

[flint arch]

okay no, the mag is an exception, you always want bigger mag size

[quiet plinth]

this up here also shows them at a raw mag of 30 each

[silent storm]

Pyromaniac with Trauma and Creeping Death was a fun build for me

[quiet plinth]

ive been lazy and havent crafting any new attachments in a while, is there any higher AR mag than +15

[flint arch]

+20, -10% reload speed

[quiet plinth]

that doesnt come with a negative that sucks
yeah screw that lol

[flint arch]

you deal more sustained damage than a 45rd mag though

[silent storm]

You hardly notice the 10%

[rich cosmos]

That negative really isn’t a problem

[silent storm]

And you negate it entirely with 10 or 15% WH

Can't remember which

[flint arch]

+15% WH from 2pc striker effect

[smoky latch]

You barely notice

[quiet plinth]

i guess but theres the flipside of not having it and letting that just be a faster reload from the handling

im ngl
i feel like i notice it

[flint arch]

still less sustained damage

[silent storm]

I used to run Striker with 45% WH and it is beast mode

[quiet plinth]

im mostly just actually hard building into this cuz i jumped from expertise 9 to 30 in the last 5ish days so i now actually can invest into stuff super heavily so i might as well do it with the bread and butter

[silent storm]

#td2-build-advice message

[quiet plinth]

basically what ive got

[silent storm]

Looks good

[quiet plinth]

police m4 and elmos

[silent storm]

Should get an SMG for secondary

Or Auto shotty

[quiet plinth]

yeah im not saying this is the build, im just saying these are the 2 options for the AR atm

[silent storm]

Elmo is solid

[versed summit]

So is killer m4

[quiet plinth]

yeah thats the high end option
i just uh
need to fix this part

[silent storm]

#ask-td2-community message This has been my kit for the last few days

[smoky latch]

Farm a better one. It'll be too expensive to optimize

[silent storm]

Heroic Countdown with AR as loot

[quiet plinth]

yeah ik
im just deciding what secondary i want since theres options

[smoky latch]

Challenging I'd recommend instead. Heroic is bs right now with all the $3 new players

[silent storm]

Lower average rolls on Challenging

[smoky latch]

Only minimal

[silent storm]

It's noticeable if you do a lot of Countdown

[smoky latch]

And you can extract and nobody f's up too bad

[silent storm]

Debatable

Idiots in either tier and if I am farming for something specific I do Heroic, for things like Filament I do Challenge because it's fast and easy

And stats don't matter when your plan is mass crushing anyway

[smoky latch]

I've seen the most facepalming things in heroic

[nimble moss]

I mean, in normal time, probly debatable. But with this 3x xp, there's a lot of people that don't even know they must not use skills against hunters in heroic - not talking about people wearing trash stuff in heroic and cant clean hunters at the beginning.

[buoyant perch]

This is why you self host, do build police and kick

[smoky latch]

That is an option indeed

[silent storm]

So much work in that, just doing a carry is easier

[willow sigil]

yo thats me

[smoky latch]

You are different (in a good way)

[nimble moss]

Yeah, build police in challenging is garbage (yes I saw this, even a lvl 75 kicking for "low lvl SHD"), but in heroic I can understand. Takes time, though.

[smoky latch]

Build police. I like that term

Every time someone comes in here with a NBB build and asks how to improve it I declare this channel as a crime scene

Or lately also Core Strength

[buoyant perch]

Build police is not shd discrimination. Completely different things.

[violet saddle]

I think ive asked and posted my build twice about that one lol

[willow sigil]

unwavering work well as a secondary talent to striker?

[smoky latch]

Si

[versed summit]

It does. Back n forth is also a great option now

[nimble moss]

We've got build policy and shd discrimination now. When will we got "need full prototyped for legendary"? Wait... It's aldready happening. 🤣

[willow sigil]

o nice good call, i try that

[silent storm]

Full Proto for Legend?

[smoky latch]

That will come for sure

[nimble moss]

Yeah I've seen it on this discord yesterday. Like full proto prevent you to die from bad positionning or rushing, I don't know x)

[spice plaza]

I suck at aiming but I'm trying a sniper build. My White Death has Determination, so I can keep racking up headshot/bodyshot kills, but the question is:

Which is better for damage, Hotshot or Aces?

[smoky latch]

By some try-hards who aren't good themselves

[flint arch]

3pc hotshot with overdogs, chainkiller, airaldi w/ vigilance

[smoky latch]

HotDog

[silent storm]

If you need full proto to do Legendary I don't want to play with you

[flint arch]

it just makes legendary turn into heroic++

[smoky latch]

did anyone write that as a joke or fr?

[willow sigil]

for striker do we run the 135 hsd or the 67 handling?

[silent storm]

I have been beating Legendary Zoo since ExpLv 1

[nimble moss]

Yeah I mean, it's faster if everyone knows what they doing. But still better to have 0 and knows what to do xd

[silent storm]

67 Handling

[nimble moss]

I mean it could've been a joke or sarcasm, but it was out of context and didn't reply if I remember so... It doesn't shock me.

[flint arch]

lex is already a laser without the handling, i just go 135 hsd to make every AR a bighorn without the downsides

[willow sigil]

elmo pretty lazery too

[smoky latch]

Here, I fixed it

[flint arch]

that too

[willow sigil]

you promised me lex will come back with spring event im still waiting

[silent storm]

Handling lets you go LMG and Lazer HS from accross the room

[flint arch]

i didn't say that

[willow sigil]

i heard you

[silent storm]

Lex will be back in 11 weeks

[willow sigil]

said lex come back for sure

[flint arch]

it comes in stretch goals or christmas

[smoky latch]

Add 30% accuracy silencer on a HE gun and bam, same result without wasting damage attributes

[quiet plinth]

but i wan it NOW

[nimble moss]

Lex will come back at the stretch goal (last 2 weeks of season if I remember) and MAY come back at an event. MAY.

[willow sigil]

are there other high value weapons that come back with stretch goals?

[quiet plinth]

i think most of the named items that are a part of that are really valuable for those archetypes

[silent storm]

Turmoil

[nimble moss]

Uh I think people are talking about stack broker ?

[quiet plinth]

as theyre just high ends but straight up better

[nimble moss]

I've had one though and I never did stretch goal so... Idk.

[smoky latch]

All those items are gonna be in the stretch goals pool

[bright raptor]

Stack Broker was first given out as a player loyalty bonus

[nimble moss]

I saw the rename.

[smoky latch]

Or another special event, IDK what ideas they will have

[silent storm]

Lex was a gift like Stack Broker when it first came out

[nimble moss]

Hm it's not that. I started in january. So no idea. I mean, I stopped playing right at stretch goal so maybe I opened one chest and got it, I don't remember xd I just know I didn't play more than one day at this event.

[silent storm]

Lexington is an homage to Lexington Event Center in The Division where Striker with LWM4/LVOA-C would complete it in less than 5 minutes and people would speed run the hell out of it for an Exotic Chest

And Agent Ramos that you save in that mission is a Rogue in The Division 2

He is Negative Ramos

Do I want a Nemesis with anything other than DttooC?

I have 3 of them all maxxed with DttooC, DtA and CHC

I was saving them for something but I don't know what anymore

[smoky latch]

DtA is not bad but DTOC seems better overall I was told

[silent storm]

Crush all these but one?

[smoky latch]

Burn them with fire

[silent storm]

Is that gun even worth anything?

[smoky latch]

Nice amount of exo components

[silent storm]

+4 Exo Comps

[smoky latch]

I can see 6 components in this screenshot

[silent storm]

Don't you touch my Home

[smoky latch]

😂

[nimble moss]

I mean crush if you need exotic component right now. If you don't, keep them until a uncraft event that'll reward more comps.

[silent storm]

I need space now

[nimble moss]

Idk what's this event name.

[smoky latch]

Grinding exo components on top of expertising each item is so fkn miserable

[nimble moss]

Yeah I guess yes then xd

[smoky latch]

One exotic cache here, one component there, bam the day is over and you get like 12 components. Well played, devs

No fun at all

[nimble moss]

Want to talk about the prototypes needed to reroll an augment for the sixth time ?

[silent storm]

Storage mule build lol

Doctor Home is the best

[willow sigil]

what are you guys keeping that your stash is full? am i just trashing the wrong things?

[silent storm]

I'm a loot Goblin lol

[smoky latch]

Stash (almost) full, two mules full

I went and cleared out all characters and the stash on Friday, made some more room and could delete one agent

[willow sigil]

lol do you just keep max rolls on things you know that 100% youll never use?

[silent storm]

That I won't use .. yet

[willow sigil]

fomo is real

[silent storm]

Here is the thing, I forget what I have and then it just snowballs as I get more good rolls

Then my stash is full and my dump character is full so ever month or two I need to clean house

[willow sigil]

yeah that happens to me too, ill get something that i know is for another build, stash it, and then stash 5 more of the same thing

[smoky latch]

I can relate but at least I know what type of gear I am keeping usually

[clever merlin]

I think my new favorite build is a t6 defender drone build with chameleon

[nimble moss]

I used to do this, and when I wanted to try something else on a build, I had a lot of items and NEVER the one I needed. So I did the expertise event and trashed after. xD

[clever merlin]

as long as theres no enemy that can disrupt youre pretty much immortal especially if you stack if with PFE mods and PFE modifiers

[smoky latch]

Before I came back last summer I had a break of like two or three years almost. I deleted my PvP character before I went on break. So from July up until this FRI I filled up another agent

And weirdly I still kept a bunch of PvP items... Damn habits

[silent storm]

Here's the sad part, this is only my weapons mule. I have a GS/Named and HE mule as well

[smoky latch]

I had them structed like this:
1st main agent
2nd skills related and Golan, plus excess perfect mods
3rd agent tank stuff, gear sets and some pvp stuff, almost max rolled mods
4th agent Yaahl, W&H, Sokolov, named items and exotics

[silent storm]

How silly my collecting is, I have two of the same gear that I modded the same way and then just wasn't using it so threw it here to see how redundant I am sometimes

And Empoeror's Guard will never drop CHC for me ><

[smoky latch]

Why farming the item? Farm its blueprint

[silent storm]

I don't think it had a BP when I started farming it

[willow sigil]

when you guys are crafting items, are they not always low rolled?

[silent storm]

Naa

[smoky latch]

Usually yes. Spam crafting it is

I lost count how many PS chest pieces I crafted in vain, trying to get one with double crits and GC

[silent storm]

You need to be like half full of mats and atleast 4-500 brand mats for a serious crafting session

Then you single out rolls you want and just go until you get it halfway decent

Obviously keep the god rolls even if they are low but it's cheaper to craft more than try to upgrade the first god roll you get

[willow sigil]

yeah it took me a long time to get the ps chest that i wanted

[silent storm]

Unless the first one is like top level

[lament reef]

i learned from this channel that crafting armor rolls it as if you’re on normal difficulty, regardless of what your difficulty actually is

[willow sigil]

for opti mats, do you guys farm countdown caches, or retals?

[smoky latch]

I farmed it for weeks but then started crafting. Still don't have what I want

[silent storm]

NM, yeah Countdown for the clipboards

[willow sigil]

what about for calibration and field recons?

[lament reef]

i farm heroic cps until i get the blueprints for the things

[smoky latch]

Anything from either CD or Retaliations and scrap it. If I need more I just farm XP and use watch points

[silent storm]

Tier 5 Escalation is also a good place to farm

[smoky latch]

And I grind the hell out of XP events just for those watch points

[silent storm]

get both of them there

Though it seems people are against escalation now

[quiet plinth]

dont you also get bps from retal captures?

[lament reef]

yeah those count as cp captures

[silent storm]

as MM has been slow

[willow sigil]

yeah, i got all of mine from retals

[silent storm]

Retals only give Flags

[willow sigil]

theyll give bps also

[silent storm]

Escalation tier 5 is nice for flags and clipboards

[willow sigil]

they give a lot?

[silent storm]

7 flags and 3 boards I think for tier 5

[willow sigil]

o thats good. i dont think i can do any esca yet though

[smoky latch]

FRD is gained faster from CP farming

More efficiently

[lament reef]

sure you can
t0 is just heroic

[silent storm]

yeah but Calibration is slow everywhere so if you can combine them and get a good group speed Escalation is best I feel

[smoky latch]

Depends on the Escalation mission, how long it is and how fast you can get through

[silent storm]

I don't think you start getting clipboards until 4-5

[smoky latch]

IMO you get enough FRD and SHD Calibration by using watch points. For that, grind out each XP event and you will always have enough

[silent storm]

Who has a breakdown of Escalation mission rewards?

[smoky latch]

No need to chase scraps and waste time that way

[silent storm]

I craft most of my flags honestly

[smoky latch]

Yeah and you can refill mats via watch points

[silent storm]

Easier than capping points

[willow sigil]

flags arnt too crazy to craft. the calibration is so expensive

[smoky latch]

I hope you don't use your watch to craft FRD directly...

[silent storm]

Countdown has FRD in the chests

[smoky latch]

Again, scraps

[silent storm]

So make sure you get all the chests when you do a run

Noone likes doing Summit

[smoky latch]

Just for fun sometimes or when I feel like doing the weekly challenge

[willow sigil]

ive been using my watch for shd cali. my issue is everyone keeps telling me to try all these things and so im just stretched between so many builds

[silent storm]

Just pick a build and run it

[smoky latch]

Escalation MM T6, nice

Getting better

/s

[clever merlin]

They dumping expertise on quickstep

[silent storm]

Hey man QS has some DMG behind it

[willow sigil]

these legacy manhunts are kicking my butt

[nimble moss]

When I see this and I crave to have materials to get everything at 30... xd

[quiet plinth]

when its in like every single one of your build i mean
might as well

up to 20 is like what 6-8 exotics or something

[nimble moss]

That's 6 exotics not going in my main stuff 😅 🤣

EVERY EXOTIC MATTERS.

[quiet plinth]

but like when all your main stuff is decked out

what then

[nimble moss]

You redo some pieces to get those 2 or 3 max rolls 🤡 (joking, that's absurd xd)

[hexed steppe]

all not saved as favorite for a reason

[jolly pagoda]

Is a maxed Damage to Armor good on the Bluescreen? or still go for CHC?

[silent storm]

Gotta be able to deconstruct as needed

[silent storm]

CHC

[quiet plinth]

at what point do most people hit expertise 30
like whats a good playtime/shd level range estimate

[lament reef]

depends on if you play the game normally or if you are some sort of beast that goes out of their way to max everything

[quiet plinth]

cuz i went from 9 to 30 in the last 5ish days and i wanna know how much of a loser i am

[silent storm]

I feel like I should have already been 30 but I play too few skills and have a very narrow set of builds and didn't realize I needed to donate for it soon enough lol

[quiet plinth]

this game made the mistake of presenting me with basically another warframe mastery rank grind
thats on them

[nimble moss]

Depend if you hard focus or not. There's only a couple thing that will REALLY boost expertise before SHD 1000. Yet there's a lot of people that didn't hit it even on SHD 10k because it wasn't needed for anything before. There's no real answer to that.
There's a lot of new players that used this expertise event to get a huge boost so it's going down in term of SHD levels.

[quiet plinth]

i got it at like shd 685 i think, but the first 300 of those levels were from the anni 5x exp event to be fair
havent used any of those scavenging levels yet either

[lament reef]

shd 800 and expertise 17

[silent storm]

Look at it this way my main only has 41 days played and I am Exp Lv 22. I did delete my HC character for more space though which I used to play a lot but lost interest in

[plush thistle]

i'm with you dtrain lol i'm 866 and only expertise 15 haha

[silent storm]

That's about where I was at the SHD level once I figured out Exp Lv was worth doing lol

[nimble moss]

Pretty much the same. I've hit SHD 700 and exp 30. But this event did a lot for me, I was only 14 before it.

[silent storm]

Then just ignored it for 1000 more SHD levels lol

[lament reef]

in this event, i went from like 12 to 17

no idea how everyone else went 1 to 30 in a day, must be an employment debuff

[quiet plinth]

i have 2 jobs and am a full time uni student 😭

[silent storm]

Exp Lv really isn't that important for 99% of gameplay. Knowing the spawns and having a good kit is what you want

Exp Lvs just make it easier once you know how to play

[smoky latch]

Nice, random drop. Wish it was a PS chest

[quiet plinth]

oh my god
not again
i cant do this again
matchmade into a t2 escalation
they start it at t0

[plush thistle]

exp makes a huge difference for my HS build

[nimble moss]

"In a day" it wasn't in a day though. But it depends too if you have access to houndsman bounty, if you optimize everything (which is extremely boring and unfun to most). Still requires time too.

[silent storm]

That's the GOAT chest

[smoky latch]

I usually use Sacrifice but can't hurt to have

[quiet plinth]

im just so so glad
that i dont ever have to worry about proficiency ever again

[silent storm]

Opens up more opions

[quiet plinth]

i can run whatever i want without the feeling of "im not progressing something"

[smoky latch]

Not damage wise but I'll check it out

No proto drop tho

[jade cairn]

Are there any DZ exclusive brands? I know System Corruption cant be targeted in countdown so thats probably a gear set but the actual brands? are there any?

[noble dirge]

Was screwing around with GR9 frenzy with this modifier, you can get 720+ boolets with this

2 piece Unit, 2 piece Brazos, 1 piece Royal Works, Ninja Bike

[noble dirge]

Yaahl Gear.

[lament reef]

We got bullet king at home

[noble dirge]

We've got the BT heavy minigun at home

[jade cairn]

Gonna be sad when this proficiency event leaves

I managed to farm up all my gear sets in countdown. Gonna run some brand sets now I guess for it

[noble dirge]

723 % 10 = 72
72 * 3 = 216

216% extra damage
2275.2 RPM

...but only for the first 370 rounds or so

[gentle lichen]

Yeah gotta find the sweet spot between having the most amount of bullets and being able to have a frame-perfect reload for a consistent frenzy proc

[noble dirge]

The delayed gratification of brrrrrt makes the burning of ammo more satisfying though

[magic pilot]

Mk46 best option for striker

[plush thistle]

honestly that unwavering skill was impressive (reloads) i just wish you could couple it with something similiar to the new talent B&F

[young flower]

are any of these guns worth temporarily taking for a striker build

don't actually know what primary to settle on yet

[subtle bluff]

DW sure not White Death

[young flower]

white death is just there for now idk what to use as my secondary

[quiet plinth]

strikers just wants high firerate/hitrate
thats its literal only condition

[young flower]

so just grab the gun with the highest rpm and call it a day?

[quiet plinth]

reloads need to be taken into account but that is a big part of it
only other factor is that shotgun pellets each count as a hit so some shotguns work too

[subtle bluff]

Any +790 rpm weapon with DTTooC and Killer or Measured.

[young flower]

what about my second primary

[gentle lichen]

Stacker weapon or an iron lung

Many secondary options are viable tbh

[young flower]

by stacker weapon I assume you mean a gun with the highest rpm

[gentle lichen]

Acs-12 to be specific

[young flower]

I don't got that

[gentle lichen]

Stack broker is good for purely stacking though lefty has very good utility

[subtle bluff]

Secondary should cover what the primary doesn't do well.

[young flower]

I don't get it

so primary for rpm and secondary for damage

[gentle lichen]

Rpm and damage you can stick with a famas for example to get both

[silent storm]

My MK46 is too fast so if I don't stop firing sometimes it reloads before Frenzy wears off

On TS with the added ammo it is perfect

[quiet plinth]

thats a shotgun with a pretty high firerate, and with all its pellets it stacks strikers super fast
but youre still using the primary gun to actually deal damage since its built for that, it just maintains what the acs built up

[young flower]

this is all I got

[quiet plinth]

@young flower zealot moment

[young flower]

where are my tknives

[gentle lichen]

^

[young flower]

so primary to do damage and maintain stacks and secondary to build up stacks

[gentle lichen]

Honestly without chest you don't even need acs to get a good amount of stacks

On heroic that is

[quiet plinth]

yeah like this is what ive got rn
thats an named acs shotgun, has 50% higher mag size
its literally just there for the first 3 seconds of a mission when im at 0 stacks

[silent storm]

I've been using this on my Striker and it builds stacks pretty fast and does decent DMG at max stacks when you rush in

[young flower]

alright hows this

[subtle bluff]

So let's say Mk46 great weapon but really slow reload. So then 2nd smg or AR with good reloads.

[young flower]

dark winter to build stacks and m60 to do damage

[silent storm]

This is my MK46 and on Striker it is ok. It runs out of ammo before Frenzy is up though because of lower mag and ROF boost

On TS though it is perfect

[quiet plinth]

ive not actually looked at or payed attention to the augments
what the hell is this man

[smoky latch]

What are the stats? You took a screenshots of the irrelevant part :p

[quiet plinth]

also i guess i better actually learn how to do the raids and incursions now

[gentle lichen]

Still have no idea about the condition to activate it lmao

[quiet plinth]

since that would take less time than finally getting a single prototype to drop

[smoky latch]

It's a drop, right?

[silent storm]

yes

[quiet plinth]

i assume on hit

[gentle lichen]

Surprisingly it isn't that (?)

[quiet plinth]

😭 ?????

[smoky latch]

Some are straight forward

[silent storm]

I was posting the RPM and ammo count mostly

Frenzy does not like 150 rounds and above 1000 RPM

[gentle lichen]

how much is the max on that chance though

[silent storm]

for Quantum?

[quiet plinth]

how big of a difference is overdogs striker with/without an exotic vs tinkerer strikers
im really not a fan of how up in the air overdogs effect ends up being depending on the situation despite how strong it is

[silent storm]

I really don't know I have been pumping proto into my SMG to try to get Echo

[silent storm]

So 3% at max

[quiet plinth]

is it possible that quantum is an every second occurance?

[silent storm]

no

It says cannot refresh

[quiet plinth]

then wth is it

[quiet plinth]

yeah but thats not what i meant
i meant the trigger being the passage of a second

[young flower]

I hate thinking lowkey can I just run any of these with lefty as my secondary

[silent storm]

would be 2 seconds during immune and then I guess it could trigger again after that

[smoky latch]

For sure as hell I won't use proto cores to level up augments

I can barely get any to ugprade my gear, on top I need to change it at some point

[silent storm]

I will level up Echo and the Trapper augment I got looks interesting

[smoky latch]

And those re-roll costs are astronomically A**S

[silent storm]

I don't know how the augments work whether it is by the lines or by the bar but this looks like 15% total to me on Status Effects

[gentle lichen]

So theoretically if quantum on 9 gear pieces is 27%
If assuming on hit that's kinda crazy

[silent storm]

unless it is individual chances

[smoky latch]

7 pieces, not 9

Gear plus active weapon

[silent storm]

I don't know how it works inside the game but they aren't going to give you 25% immunity...hopefully. I would bet all instances has it's own roll and all rolls are capped at 2.5-3% and they can't refresh each other

[smoky latch]

Some text in those infographcs is really confusing. They're taken from the game but they require explanations

[silent storm]

So most you can expect is like a 7-11% chance

At max rolls

on all gear

But the Trapper one seems fun to me for obviously Status builds and then Hunter's Fury as well

Like if it effects that and you get a massive boost to Status just from being close and killing ... Goodbye Striker, Hunter's Fury all the way

Make SMGs Great Again

Creeping Death doesn't affect the Hunter's Fury Status does it?

[final idol]

What a good weapons for the ar category running striker set

Returning player

[silent storm]

Police M4 is the best bet if not you can try these #td2-build-advice message but all weapons need Damage to Targets out of Cover as the third Attribute

[quiet plinth]

Wait if you are insane and get trapper on all proto gear and level it all up
With the fury backpack you can have that disorient hit every enemy in 10m and it lasts for 316% of the base duration

Trapper is 4% base plus 2% per level
Maxing it is 24%
With 9 spots of gear you can fit into it

[final idol]

Uk where I could get it or it’s just a random drop? Or I gotta go to the summit for it

[silent storm]

5% base

[quiet plinth]

This says 4%
Unless its outdated

[silent storm]

#td2-build-advice message

[quiet plinth]

Countdown, not summit

[final idol]

Is that the bounty thing or different mode?

[quiet plinth]

I can also imagine some core strength banshee pulse build thats spamming them left and right and they last for ages

[quiet plinth]

Its the power plant, green icon near summit

[silent storm]

#td2-build-advice message

[final idol]

That’s a bet

[quiet plinth]

So its just totally different
Thats fine thats still like what 135%

[silent storm]

Unless it is different on gear than it is on weapons, even at level 0, 5% per item is a huge buff

No, Trapper intrigues me and what you can do with it

Trapper Eclipse? that would be crazy

[quiet plinth]

with riot foam n stuff

[silent storm]

Just literally shutting down all enemies

Like fish stuck in Great Stuff

[quiet plinth]

im starting to see why they made this super hard to grind but like
cmon
its gonna be over a year before a build like that is possible lmfao

especially one that has high rolled stats

[silent storm]

Well

Start Grinding

[quiet plinth]

bruj i havent even gotten a single drop yet

[silent storm]

I took them

Not really hard to grind though just need to do Raids, Incursions, or high level Escalations

[quiet plinth]

the 3 things i havent done yet

the latter mostly just cuz matchmaking for any tier always puts me with someone running a tier 0

[silent storm]

I mean I was doing tier 8 Escalations 3 hours after it came out and Tier 10 the next day

And I am not even ExpLv30 yet

[smoky latch]

High level Escalations aren't really needed. Many ppl get lucky farming T2 really quick

[silent storm]

I will say thought it saddens me that most want to stick to tier 5 now or you wait a long time for a tier 10 in MM

[silent storm]

yeah but 8-10 is a massive boost in drops if you have a decent team

[smoky latch]

I refrain from high tier matchmaking RNG

[silent storm]

I tried to go to Reddit to post about it but those guys are Blue Core lifers and get mad when you say that a Scorpio wielding FI wearing perfect The Setup sporting healer can get those that love 6 Red Cores to beat two tier 10s before they complete a tier 5 to switch thier ways

[smoky latch]

I've seen utter BS on T6/7 already

[gentle lichen]

Do high tiers reward exotic components

[silent storm]

I was even told on Reddit that most tier 10 completions don't even take a healer

Then I went searching because I was like WTF, how you doing this without a healer and every group I saw on YT had a healer

[calm nacelle]

Yeah T6 onwards

[gentle lichen]

Forgor the numbers

[silent storm]

Do they? I don't remember I know they do flags and clipboards

[quiet plinth]

Ok well thats cool
I start a t4
Internet goes out

[silent storm]

Well you get an exotic right

I think you do

[gentle lichen]

At least you kept your coins right
Right?

[silent storm]

see what happens in a week first week was great but now you wait and don't get any invites and then when you do get a party they just want to do tier 5

[calm nacelle]

No, just components. Exotics are rewarded like any other mission but components are completion reward for escalation T6+

[quiet plinth]

I dont know
The internet is literally down

[toxic frigate]

man, trying reaching lvl 30 expertise from lvl 27 feels slow as hell

[gentle lichen]

If farming one of the things is hard go for other ones
There are more weapons to expertise than the max

[toxic frigate]

well i think the left one is skills and exotics

idk if i farming filaments or exotics now

[normal shadow]

Try #lfg-pc, you'll have more luck there.

[fringe nest]

ty

[silent storm]

I feel like this is my main problem with expertise

[quiet plinth]

named items

[calm nacelle]

Fill em up with filaments

[silent storm]

So many Named/Exotis and skills are crap

So I never use them

[quiet plinth]

countdown moment

[gentle lichen]

Eugh

[toxic frigate]

few expertise also craftable like ammo dump

just craft like 7 of them and it will be on 10 now

[silent storm]

At this point in Named and Exotic it's Exotics killing me as I have a lot of named maxxed

But who wears exotics that suck?

[calm nacelle]

Just dump filaments into them to get them proficient and move on

[silent storm]

No, there is another way

[woeful forge]

which is better for a tipping scales setup? first one has equalizer the second one has salvo, both reaches around 57% crit chance

[gentle lichen]

First one and max out your chc

[woeful forge]

working on it shd lvls, can max it out if I just get my chc to 50/50

[solar sable]

just put CHC attributes instead of CHD and you're good

[woeful forge]

yeah i need to replace the doc holster since it has a fixed chd since i changed the weap dmg instead

[calm summit]

Hello guys.
I am running a heardbreaker build.

• Mask, armor, gloves heartbreaker, ninja backpack, and salvo+unequaled keepads.
  But my real problem is that i dont have lexington because i am new player.
  What are the best options for lexington so i can use the flatline attribute.
  Currently i am using the st. elmo

[livid sorrel]

are you asking for ARs that aren't lexi for hb? police m4 and p416 would be my picks
heartbreaker needs the laser pointer from the technician spec to work unless you can consistently headshot everyone

[hybrid hazel]

Hi guys what's the best build all rounder build

[livid sorrel]

striker

[woeful forge]

striker with equalizer chest

[solar sable]

might aswell get them out of nbb

[livid sorrel]

they didnt ask

[calm summit]

Yes im using technician.

Thanks i will look into this 2 weapons. Because i belive st elmo is not good

[livid sorrel]

any AR with a long underbarrel and 800+ RPM works tbh, exotics don't work since they can't get the laser

[woeful forge]

if ur running assault rifles people here told me to craft a Police M4 with dtoc attrib and flatline, if u dont mind using an LMG as a secondary the Dare named GR9 worked well for me

[solar sable]

Dare aint good

[calm summit]

Im using a rock n roll as second

[livid sorrel]

ACS12 is for stacking

[woeful forge]

worked for me as a filler, tho eventually i just replaced it with a trader to just boost the dmg of my main

[woeful forge]

good to build up stacks fast, if u can get a lefty named aa-12 so u can also get perfect sledgehammer talent

[calm summit]

I have lefty as well, i thought the rock n roll is better. Lefty for nade trigger?

[woeful forge]

rock and roll's benefit is for its mag size, lefty with perf sledge can make enemies take more dmg if ur able to tag them with a nade while holding lefty

[calm summit]

Oh right, i understand now

[woeful forge]

if u dont have lefty u can try and find a regular acs12 and roll regular sledgehammer on it

[calm summit]

I will do that, thanks for the info.

[woeful forge]

just learning from the people in build advice here same as u

@calm summit if u want a weapon with perfect flatline try farming for a kingbreaker, idk how accurate div wiki is but it says it has an increase drop chance at the camp white oak main mission or alternatively just target loot Assault Rifles in countdown

[livid sorrel]

Kingbreaker isn't good, the accuracy and fire rate sucks too much to be worth using

[solar sable]

dont use the Wiki, its outdated asf

[woeful forge]

figures, some of the info there felt outdated

[young flower]

do any of these do particular better than the others in a striker build or are the performance all pretty much equal

if so do I just set the targeted loot to assault rifles and run countdowns until one drops with good substats

[woeful forge]

now that im thinking about it, slow rpm weapons kinda suck for stack builds huh

[solar sable]

Police M4 is the best right behind Lexington, then there's Carbine 7
Famas, F2000 and the others are okay but M4 is just better

[young flower]

my english is failing me you're implying that 1st place is lexington and 2nd is police m4 right

[solar sable]

I mean... yeah, although the difference between those two is 4% more base DMG

[young flower]

got it

what about talents can I use any of them or is killer the best option since it boosts chd

[solar sable]

Killer for solo and Measured for groups

[calm summit]

Yeah i have had that weapon but in order to use that weapon i have to sacrifice a lot of attachments to bring up the stability and accuracy higher and the ratefire is bad. That weap has weird recoil.

[young flower]

What makes measured strong for groups doesn’t it come with debuffs
Or do the increased firing speed/dmg outweigh the decreases

[solar sable]

with Killer on groups, youre not the only one dealing dmg and killing enemies so it doesnt work as well as Solo

[young flower]

Good point

Alright so ideally Lexington/police m4 as my primary with weapon dmg, chc/chd, damage out of cover, and killer/measured
secondary is lefty with double rof
Pistol is quickstep (?)
4 striker, equalizer, and overdoes all with chd/chc

Did I get that right or am I missing anything else

[solar sable]

everything except Lefty is alr
so, read this right: Lefty isnt a bad option, I just recommend using something more useful as backup like a M870 w/Brazen or SMG-9 w/Measured or Unwavering

[young flower]

Oh I was also reading the striker y7s3 wip guide it said lefty was the best for stacking quickly

[subtle bluff]

Doomz you see my new meta talent choice for acs12 striker?

[solar sable]

you dont need to focus on stacking since youre not using strikers chest

[young flower]

Ah

[solar sable]

not yet
what is it 👀

[livid sorrel]

On average it's a dps increase without much messing about with uptime

[onyx sage]

it's around 10% increase per mag

among the better general purpose weapon talents

[woeful forge]

wait im curious, why an m870 specifically btw? wouldn't thorn or like glue be better if he's looking for brazen since it's perfect talent version?

[onyx sage]

because thorn accuracy sucks

[onyx sage]

m870 has 2 mod slots for 60% accuracy which tighten the spreads a lot

[solar sable]

perfect talents are not always the best, Thorn's spread is wider

[woeful forge]

ah so it's attachment slots, yeah makes sense to me now

[onyx sage]

and like glue base damage is lower, i assume we're talking about headhunter setups

[solar sable]

sir this is strikers 🥴

[silent storm]

Noone is searching tier 10 this week

[onyx sage]

m870 on striker 🗿

[solar sable]

absolute meta

[young flower]

Alright so ideally Lexington/police m4 as my primary with weapon dmg, chc/chd, damage out of cover, and killer/measured
secondary is brazen m870/measured smg-9
Pistol is quickstep (?)
4 striker, equalizer, and overdoes all with chd/chc

[silent storm]

870 won me 5 pounds of Sausage and a whole ham at the last Turkey Shoot I went to

[young flower]

Fixed?
Do I also just run chc/chd on my secondary

[solar sable]

they learn so fast these days... -sniff-

[onyx sage]

i wouldn't bother with brazen m870 on striker ngl

[solar sable]

im cooked

[onyx sage]

it's good on headhunter setups but not on striker

[subtle bluff]

the guide is pretty straight foward. Try acs12 or smgs out.

[young flower]

The full auto shotgun? That looks nice what do you run on it

[subtle bluff]

and any weapon 416, LMG

[solar sable]

can I use as excuse that I'm washed?

[onyx sage]

sir

[silent storm]

I wish Boomstck and Backup Boomstick skills interacted

[subtle bluff]

guides menetion them.

[solar sable]

Brazen my beloved

[young flower]

Add-12 with brazen and dttooc
What is dttooc, damage to targets out of cover? It is I just matched it word for word nvm

[woeful forge]

wait, so can i run a brazen m870 secondary on a hotshot chainkiller build?

[solar sable]

yes

[silent storm]

With HSD on seasonal how good is The Sheriff now?

[young flower]

Chow is literally highlighting the words as I’m reading them there’s tears in my eyes

[onyx sage]

yes

[solar sable]

no

[woeful forge]

the amp shot doesn't just apply to the shotty?

[onyx sage]

brazen multiplies headhunter, so it's really strong

[solar sable]

HH stacks apply to each pellet

[woeful forge]

oh i've gotta try this

[onyx sage]

idk the numbers on hotshot but on HHF without anything special you can hit 7.7mil per pellet with max HH

at expertise 0, brazen procced

[woeful forge]

could i one shot a named if i run it with the shroud exotic?

[onyx sage]

on HHF and on heroic yes

[woeful forge]

what about hunters?

[onyx sage]

on hotshot you don't have enough buff from HF

[solar sable]

on Hotshot maybe two shot idk

[subtle bluff]

I'll work on updating the striker guide lil tonight.

[solar sable]

procrastinate

[young flower]

God bless the amount of detailed guides on this game
curse my lack of reading comprehension

[onyx sage]

probably not hunters

[silent storm]

Adsd a note in there for LMG Weapon Handling Striker

[onyx sage]

but just know HHF with brazen m870 + regulus works in legs as well, it's one of the top speedrun setups

[subtle bluff]

I'm so burned out this weekend.

[silent storm]

Works really good with Big Al

[subtle bluff]

What do you mean?

[woeful forge]

when u say HHF do u mean Headhunter with Hunter's Fury?

[onyx sage]

normally i don't just recommend it to people because most speedrun builds aren't that useful outside of it, but it works in heroic missions, open world, even retals if you're crazy

[long dove]

hey guys i got full striker build atm just missing optimizing the attributes/cores what second build should i go for since im farming countdown for expertise

[silent storm]

Instead of CHD once you reach 50% CHC you do WH and use Big Al

[solar sable]

crazy? I was crazy once

[woeful forge]

I always thought HF was just meant for shotties, i need to read the talents better

[onyx sage]

the 2p bonus is just weapon damage for SG and SMG but the 4p applies to any weapon

[subtle bluff]

I try to recommend the DCH version and people think I'm crazy.

[onyx sage]

the real strength is in the 4p

[long dove]

i saw there's hybrid dps/support or tank or armor regen for DZ? can pvp gear be farmed in pve?

[onyx sage]

i used to... but now i'm a man.

[subtle bluff]

I need clip where DCH HHF is good.

[onyx sage]

i have my heroic lincoln video with dch hhf

[subtle bluff]

I.... no.. no comment.

[subtle bluff]

Nah I great one with getting rogues. I just need to clip it.

[silent storm]

Also you need to use Striker Back. No Memento

[subtle bluff]

uh?

You're making me say "uh" too much..... plz rowdy not tonight.

[silent storm]

Try it

It's fun and you slaughter everything

[young flower]

equalizer is a named gear so the best way to farm it is via houndsman bounties right
what about exotics do I just run countdowns and pray overdogs drop or something

[smoky latch]

Set TL to UA, should be faster

[broken nova]

best lmg for ongoing?

[subtle bluff]

I don't even know what you're saying..

[smoky latch]

You can buy exotic caches from the CD vendor with CD credits

[silent storm]

You get like 45% WH on your Striker and you sit in cover with Big Al and destroy everything in front of you

[solar sable]

for fun and unlimited ammo almost always? GR9
for DMG? MG5 IIRC*

[subtle bluff]

Depend on how you're playing it but MG5 is always good imo

[young flower]

UA?

[livid sorrel]

is he talking to someone we're not seeing or what

[smoky latch]

Unit Alloys, the brand of Equalizer

[onyx sage]

Equalier

[subtle bluff]

My head already hurts... It's not help me..

[solar sable]

veeery common with Rowdy

[silent storm]

only need 50% CHC

[young flower]

ah alright thanks

so countdown with unit alloys target is faster than houndsman?

[long dove]

is the builds spreadsheet up to date?

[smoky latch]

Depends

[solar sable]

almost everything is, mostly meta and most important stuff

[long dove]

oh nice i just got pestilince from countdown i thought its only DZ

[solar sable]

and if something just doesnt change it is left as it is

[onyx sage]

used to be, now it's just anywhere

[silent storm]

4 Pc Striker Equalizer and OvDogs 45% WH 15 from GS 30 from gear and then watch bonuses make the rest

[long dove]

i wanted to make something tanky/support for pve or a newbie like armor regen for pvp where can i find it?

[smoky latch]

Bruh

[hazy steeple]

bloody bots i swear

[broken nova]

what is the semi circle by my barrel?

[smoky latch]

Damn you are fast @hazy steeple

[solar sable]

dont... please dont
Support builds are:
FI Healer, EP, Support Tank

Tanks and regen are not good in PvE neither is Ninjabike

[hazy steeple]

That's why I get paid the "big" bucks.

[livid sorrel]

talent indicator

[silent storm]

3rd reload is faster than instant but the other two are fast as well then you have 190% WD like 90% of the time and never miss

[broken nova]

ahhh thats for sadist the 4 kills right

[solar sable]

for PvP ask in #td2-pvp-discussions

[silent storm]

Talent counter

[long dove]

Thank you and i meant regen for pve ? Im looking for a recommendation cuz i just finished my striker build

[smoky latch]

Regen in PvE is pointless

[hazy steeple]

You may be using some unusual shorthand here.

[long dove]

Will do

[smoky latch]

Memento fully stacked is an alternative however

[hazy steeple]

WH is weapon handling, but GS?

[silent storm]

Gear Set

[hazy steeple]

So what's that comment in reference to?

[smoky latch]

Brand set*

[silent storm]

Striker has 15% WH on it's GS

[smoky latch]

Intrinsic attribute

[hazy steeple]

I'm aware of what's on Striker, why did you make that comment?

[solar sable]

I love using useless abbreviations on my sentences

[silent storm]

How to get 45% WH

[hazy steeple]

Why do you specifically need 45% WH?

[smoky latch]

I guess because of the seasonal modifiers, wants max WH

[silent storm]

I mean you can go higher or lower but 45% seems to be the sweet spot for it

[hazy steeple]

The sweet spot for what?

[silent storm]

WH

[hazy steeple]

What is 45% WH allowing you to do that you couldn't do before?

e.g. stability on an MMR I would get.

[silent storm]

Faster reloads you LMG tunes up faster

[livid sorrel]

Armor regen gear mods aren't good because they only give a flat amount vs an all red having like 700k armor, a better source of armor regen would be brands, there's one that has 1% for one piece forgot which one

[silent storm]

Do you not know what WH does in game?

[hazy steeple]

I'm pretty sure I'm the one who told you what WH does.

So this is just a random comment about how to get a random amount of WH?

[silent storm]

No I was telling Mr. Chow add a note about WH Striker for Big Al

[subtle bluff]

um.. K?

[silent storm]

Try it out if you don't believe me

[subtle bluff]

I'd just rather do more dmg

[silent storm]

You will because you reload faster and you come to small box faster

[subtle bluff]

Again if you can get thru DUA leggo first 3 section clean without modifiers do that with that build then come tell me.

[silent storm]

Are you Challenging me?

[livid sorrel]

No he's legendarying you

[hazy steeple]

What a Heroic response.

[onyx sage]

can we just be normal

[flint arch]

what a fine story

[hazy steeple]

It's just Normal for here.

[subtle bluff]

plz my head can't do this.. tonight

[silent storm]

I've been in tier 10 MM queue this whole time and haven't even been made leader yet so give me a second and I'll go do that

[hazy steeple]

this conversation is Hard to follow.
but I'll eventually Master it.

[livid sorrel]

things are always escalating here

[subtle bluff]

you ppl........

[hazy steeple]

just waiting for the Retaliation now.

[silent storm]

I mean it wasn't really a big deal

[smoky latch]

Damn she's coming in hot today 👍

[silent storm]

So what DUA to the dogs on the second floor?

[long dove]

Yeah i got you was wondering why everyone was recommending striker before

[solar prairie]

Can anyone link me to the best OD build that does NOT use tinkerer? I've been out of the loop for 2-3 seasons

[livid sorrel]

It's the best single target DPS build and incredibly easy to use, just shoot

[solar sable]

just slap in ovd or Coyotes

[solar prairie]

Sorry whats OVD?

[solar sable]

overdogs

[silent storm]

The best OD non tink build is garbage compared to other DPS builds, now if you want to support your team have at it but OD is not a true DPS

[broken nova]

(https://docs.google.com/document/d/10Zu9fKBuzxZ_EDlx_hkm2HN_f_KZltlZu7I8LRyceVE/edit?tab=t.0)

[solar sable]

who even mentioned DPS????

[silent storm]

Some people think OD is DPS

[long dove]

Yeah its insanely good without needing much
Any recommendations for second build?

[solar sable]

With all due respect, Rowdy, don't add extra info on something that doesn't need it. Please, you have to stop the nonsense.

[soft crane]

It is DPS. Just because it deal less damage than Striker, doesnt mean its not DPS.

[solar prairie]

Im fine with not having the highest possible DPS. I just need usable OD build, until the abridge talent works again with Tinkerer.

[soft crane]

The hell you talking about lmao.

[silent storm]

Deals less DMG than Striker, TS and ND

[solar sable]

And he continues...

[silent storm]

So it's at best 4th in the DPS scale

[soft crane]

Exactly my point. You think its not "True DPS" just because it deal less damage than other sets.

[subtle bluff]

without having to stack

[livid sorrel]

If you want to change things up, Headhunter, Pesti, Negotiator's
For support, EP, Refactor, FI

[silent storm]

You love to hate on stacks but most stacks take seconds to build

[subtle bluff]

but not helpful context to what the OP question..

[solar sable]

Rowdy, just why? Like stop already. You just get things mixed up everytime a discussion is happening. Just STOP.

[soft crane]

• 4 pieces of OD including chest
• Ceska backpack with Vigilance or Wicked
• Tinkerer mask, weapon talents are Sadist and Pressure Point.

[long dove]

u got any links?

[solar sable]

check the pinned Spreadsheet

[livid sorrel]

the spreadsheet as always

[solar prairie]

Ah yes, I can switch to Sadist and Pressure point. Instead of Frenzy and Saddist. Because I prototyped my frenzy LMG

[subtle bluff]

oh @hazy steeple can you fix the pinned messages order?

[silent storm]

And even Heartbreaker pushes it down done right

so 5th

[soft crane]

What?

[soft crane]

Theres no way OD deal less damage than HB.

[broken nova]

rowdy you should delete discord for a few months, do you some good i think

[solar sable]

Just ignore him, too much attention has been given.

[hazy steeple]

@subtle bluff cheers, didn't realise it wasn't fixed already

[silent storm]

I just don't like OD, I feel like it's a cheap way to get out of Predator's Mark

Which is what OD is a cheap copy of

[hazy steeple]

Rowdy, are you aware that div2 is not the same game as div1? I'm genuinely curious.

Time passes and different games come out.

It took me a while to process that not all games were Myst, but I think I'm there.

[silent storm]

I am fully aware but just because it is not the same game you are trying to remove it from the same universe which we came from NYC to DC in the opening scene

[solar prairie]

I had to google what Myst is XD

[silent storm]

Then went back to NYC

[hazy steeple]

We didn't start in NYC in div2.

[silent storm]

yes you did

[hazy steeple]

you're 100% sure you aren't looking for a different server?

[silent storm]

We were sent from NYC to DC

[hazy steeple]

div2 starts in a small town in probably new england or something.
It was not NYC.

[livid sorrel]

I'm just gonna assume he meant OD is div2's equivalent of Predator's Mark

[steady slate]

if i wanted to make a support healing build would i want to do a skill build? any gear set, backpack chest, recs?

[silent storm]

If we weren't sent from NYC then why come when you go back to NYC they say welcome back Agent?

[livid sorrel]

pretty much the only option for healing is yellows, lots of choices in there though

[soft crane]

I feel like OD deal about 1/4 less damage than Striker overall. Could be less but Im completely sure the damage isnt really far off.

[solar sable]

check FI Healer in the pinned Spreadsheet

[livid sorrel]

Refactor heals when your drone or turret damages someone, and any yellow build can just slot in BTSU gloves and restorer hive

[silent storm]

FI healer with 3 Skill Damage monkeys is actually really good

[subtle bluff]

wtf.

[livid sorrel]

the brand i assume

[subtle bluff]

your advice has very poor context

[broken nova]

bullets hitting enemies with dps build is good

[silent storm]

yeah, do a FI healer with 3 Turrets and Seeker Bombs players and everything comes up explody

[rotund sundial]

quick question, for Measured Assembly, if an ally is already in the hive's range for more than 4s when the talent finished its cd, do I still need to wait for 4s to trigger the overcharge?

[broken nova]

is amplified multiplicative?

[solar sable]

yup, amps are multiplied at the end of the DMG calculation formula

[subtle bluff]

range?

This question is confusing.

[silent storm]

Are you using BTSU Datagloves?

Measured Overcharge should trigger automatically if you are Skill Tier 6. Then BTSU gloves trigger on destruction

[rotund sundial]

measured assembly gains the user overcharge if an ally stays in the range of hive for 4s every 40s, I would like to know if I need to wait for another 4s if the ally is already in the range of hive when the talent goes off cd

[silent storm]

Yes

[rotund sundial]

ok thank you!

[silent storm]

They need to be in the hive to trigger OC

Wear BTSU and you can trigger at the start and finish of you hive life

Sounds counter intuitive to wear BTSU for Stinger Hive but it will up your DPS

[subtle bluff]

um...

[subtle bluff]

There a CD for OC..

[subtle bluff]

They need to within range of the MA's user Hive or Smart Cover

[silent storm]

Yes, so what is the question?

[broken nova]

is there any good seeker mine builds?

[tacit rapids]

Infini seeker?

[strong cave]

Infinite isn't really infinite

[trim abyss]

the seeker build is fun but not really good for harder content, the tracking is terrible and enemies just dodge them constantly

so whats everyone running for prototype augments on Tipping scales? full echo on everything?

[indigo moat]

wait there's still infini seeker?

[trim abyss]

yes its still a fun build, just not very good for hard content unless you have a way to keep the enemies from moving the entire time

[trim abyss]

Does anyone have the link for the spreadsheet that shows that DPS with the different TS setups?

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Kme97iSk3OYwvfb6cH2VljUgVmSjUEKj-MrZ8m-tRGA/edit?usp=drivesdk

[trim abyss]

thank you very much!

[subtle blade]

Is TS viable with Big Al? I am asking because I do not see it in the list you just linked.

[smoky latch]

The list is no longer getting updated because the creator quit the game.

It's valid.

[subtle blade]

Thanks!

[cerulean smelt]

i imagine it'd work, but it's not as strong as high ends

[livid sorrel]

Big Al is probably better with Striker since it burns through ammo too fast for TS

[smoky latch]

It's not ideal but valid

[short verge]

if i can add, striker gives weapon damage while ts gives only crit damage

so like there's an obvious synergy with big alejandro and tipping scales, but like striker once again leads in damage in front end, backend, middle end, all ends

[summer totem]

What builds would you guys suggest for solo retal

Specifically black tusk

[subtle blade]

Thank you everyone. I am still trying to find something that fits for where I am currently at in the game. Only being SHD level 50 I am still lacking quite some CHC and CHD. So right now I am somewhat undecided between Big Al or a Carbine 7 with Killer either with Striker or TS (together with Equalizer chest and Overdogs gloves). I wasn't lucky enough to find Elmo's until now.

[civic meteor]

Swap equalizer for striker chest and mask for coyote?

[fair bear]

Damage to Armor vs Crit Chance for LMG's (Specifically Bluescreen for ND build)?

[grim bluff]

Crit chance

[smoky latch]

Full red Striker's. Equalizer, Overdogs or Salvo. AR and Lmg

[livid sorrel]

just coyote

[weak quail]

I have tried it and can confirm it was fun and surprisingly effective

[short verge]

ive been easing myself into the retaliation play style using chillout heartbreaker memento with bluescreen, using PfE on the open armor mod slots

very slow gameplay, but pretty much guaranteed win

use one of the convert defense passives in the modifiers to give more protection from elites

[broken nova]

what is iirc?

[soft crane]

If I remember correctly.

[icy jasper]

Anyone got the spreadsheet

[zealous axle]

this spreadsheet?

[clever merlin]

ND with overdogs and blue screen

[analog mural]

if i overcap my chc by 0.5% would that be bad

[lament reef]

how much expected damage would you gain if you swapped whatever to CHD

[analog mural]

uh just +10chd from a single mod

so its either 55.5 chc 150% chd or 60chc 140% chd

i randomly got booted from a cd match for no reason whoopdedoo

[lament reef]

okay the overcap is fine here because it’s so marginal

[analog mural]

its better to have capped 60 chc right

if not running coyote

[ocean wyvern]

is chainkiller still the BiS for rifles?

[lament reef]

not in general , because you usually have to sacrifice CHD for it

here though you have enough that it’s better to overcap slightly

[hazy steeple]

@analog mural Yes absolutely, just don't overcap it, as 60 is a hard limit.
Think of it in reverse numbers, when you're at 60%, you have a 40% chance to not crit a shot. You want it as high as possible.
dropping it down to say, 50%, will mean that half of all your shots won't crit.

There's a math formula to work it out, but tl;dr get as close to 60 as you can without going over, and pour the rest into CHD.

[glass oak]

Good luck agent

Always wanted to say that

[hazy steeple]

I'll allow it

[barren tartan]

Best second weapon for Striker?

[analog mural]

stack broker or any aa12

[soft crane]

That seems random.