td2-build-advice

[winter topaz]

then dont trust it i guess ?

no one is forcing you to dm.

[smoky latch]

I was joking... c'mon. It's fine

[silent storm]

Sounds like a Ninja back build lol

[quasi wedge]

Is it hard to find grup for the Sport mode farm? New player here.. ty

[smoky latch]

Find someone with a Houndsman bounty they can share with you. Ask here in your platform's LFG channel or join the GCROCK discord to LFG there.

[flint arch]

Took me a while to figure out the Quickstep talent is called Sport Mode

[smoky latch]

I'd prefer V12

[silent storm]

Yeah it's when you flip the loop on your Crocks around your ankle

[solar sable]

quickstep go brroom brroom

[haughty shale]

I used to like it. And now I have more than 50 hrs on the game

[flint arch]

Please tell me you're not using it anymore

[onyx sage]

u just hate fun

[haughty shale]

I do have one build for nostalgia sakes. Just for when im playing with my friends that dont really play the game

[flint arch]

I jumped when I saw the notification until I noticed the username lmao

[onyx sage]

i am average player, ninjabike good

[solar sable]

you're gonna make me cry

[silent storm]

I made a YT build once.

[haughty shale]

Blink twice if you need help

[flint arch]

no more ninjabike, I condemn you to running PVGC Striker forever

[onyx sage]

*blinks excessively*

[haughty shale]

This hurts my soul

[flint arch]

"DPS" Foundry Bulwark users, my "favorite"

And to add Ninjabike on top of that is just...

🤢

[haughty shale]

At least it's not the NBKP

[flint arch]

You know, at least the kneepads are obviously useless

The bag is a lot more subtle in being a massive trap

[haughty shale]

The whole NB set needs to be bankrupted

[silent storm]

Ninja Back should allow you to wear Ninja Knees with it

[onyx sage]

introducing ninjabike gloves, where it does absolutely nothing and makes you lose out on overdogs

[haughty shale]

Ill post my build im using when I get home from work

[onyx sage]

#hirefans

[solar sable]

at least give us more exotic masks bro

[flint arch]

Ninjabike gloves, where its talent is that it has 2 mod slots

[onyx sage]

nah i want it to be basically gray gear but exotic

[flint arch]

NinjaBike Gloves

Flavor text: "Oops, I dropped it." - Former Ninjabike messenger

Talent: Dropped Packages
This item has no attributes.

[smoky latch]

Lmao

[silent storm]

Ninja Gloves would be mittens

[haughty shale]

Im running a 4 piece Tipping Scales with Chest and BP, contractors gloves, and tinkerer mask

[silent storm]

Talent, You can't fire a weapon wearing mittens

[solar sable]

100% swap to Equalizer or Sacrifice and Overdogs

[lone perch]

bruh no elmo 🙁

[haughty shale]

I tried it. Didn't like it. I enjoy what I have now. Can easily clear legendary content. Not solo ofc, but it works and I like it

[solar sable]

🥺

[flint arch]

[haughty shale]

Main reason I have it done like this is bc im having to rebuild my arsenal from scratch. I recently made the swap from Console to PC, and there were some issues with my old Ubi account, so I couldn't do cross progression

[lone perch]

Chameleon gun kinda fire

[flint arch]

There is no cross progression and won't be

[haughty shale]

I thought there was? Am I Mandelaing myself with Siege?

[flint arch]

There is no cross save

[solar sable]

crossplay, on the other hand, will be a thing sometime soon

[haughty shale]

Pog

[smoky latch]

Any time during Y8

[solar sable]

I keep begging

[smoky latch]

I just can't wait for Retaliation matchmaking

"very soon"

[pallid siren]

eb or almost max m4? killer talent max dtooc 19.5% hp dmg 14.9% weapon dmg- stats of m4.

[smoky latch]

Police M4

[pallid siren]

so eb is useless?

[smoky latch]

Mid, not useless

[haughty shale]

Shieldsplinter is a personal fav

[meager void]

What meta gun would be best to pair with Big Alejandro: the GR9 or Gear Shift LMG, or another one?
& St Elmo's Engine with: Lexington AR, Police M4 or another one?

[smoky latch]

Don't use twice the same type of guns

[silent storm]

Why do you want to use the same weapon type together?

[smoky latch]

Especially not with a hungry LMG like Alejandro

[onyx sage]

i guess u could say it's a... hungry hog

*Baba O'Riley plays*

[smoky latch]

😄

[silent storm]

They need to bring that LMG to 2

[meager void]

just for emergency instances you run out of ammo with the 1st gun and are about to die, i prefer LMG's over AR in stuff like Countdown/Summit cuz it requires alot of bullets to get elites down.

[smoky latch]

Are you aware that if you run out of ammo with one LMG the second one will be too?

[meager void]

no you wont

[silent storm]

So if you run out of ammo what do you do next?

[smoky latch]

I guess my game must be bugged then

[meager void]

pickup ammo from enemies if a restock box isnt around

[silent storm]

Wasting an entire weapon slot on one mag is crazy talk

[smoky latch]

You will only have the bullets in its ammo box, otherwise you'll be dry on both LMGs

Yes you can pick up ammo ofc, but it's not reliable

[meager void]

anyways guys i just liked to know what are the top 3 meta high-end weapons in the game, besides the exotics big alejandro, pestilence, st elmo's since i already have them.

[silent storm]

Lots of meta weapons

what meta are you running?

[meager void]

Big alejandro LMG + Lexington AR
And St Elmo's Engine + GR9 or Gear Shift LMG, dunno if there are better combo's out there, i personally dont like shotguns or smg's in this game cuz of the smaller mags and i mainly play countdown, summit and open world stuff anyway.

[buoyant mulch]

the kinda shit i ran before making a real build

speaking of, wanted to ask, what's a good way to try and farm the equalizer? i've gotten two but the rolls suck

[silent storm]

Countdown #td2-build-advice message

Just target loot the set and get grinding

[meager void]

Also, what is better for high tier Equalizer chest drops, putting targeted loot on Chests in general or putting it on Unit Alloys gearset?

[silent storm]

Brandset

[meager void]

good to know

And for Overdogs gloves just put targeted loot to gloves in general? or is Overdogs also a set you can grind? << sry for the noob questions

[smoky latch]

Always the brand

I guess that is what Rowdy meant

[meager void]

yeah got it

and for the overdogs gloves? since its an exotic

[lone violet]

did you change the armor core to skill?

[flint arch]

for exotics, target the item category (gloves in this case)

[smoky latch]

Yes. Might take you a bit to farm, you can use an Electrique backpack with the same talent in the meantime. Also noteworthy: farm a The Setup backpack with SE and SH so you can rolle the core to Utility

[lone violet]

yeah cause i got the bp but

[smoky latch]

Nah not ideal. Could work, gotta see how it develops during a fight

[lone violet]

i might use stinnger hive casue to quickly switch from foam to sticky my game bugs alittle bit

also i dont have btsu gloves atm i made the mistake of breaking them down

[vernal path]

Hmmm -- are there any Gear-based talents/sets that would benefit from being able to CONSTANTLY fire, with no need to reload?
I've found a way to craft my Stoner LMG that has infinite clip/ammo refreshes (Steady Handed)

[lone violet]

they should be in the exotic chest though right?

[smoky latch]

Tipping Scales with Bullet King

[vernal path]

I think bullet king still ends up with a max amount of total ammo? This Steady Handed Stoner just keeps going and going

[smoky latch]

Sure you have an overall ammo limit but BK doesn't have to reload

So you can go brrrrrrrrrrt all the time while picking up ammo occasionally

[lone violet]

is it better to run stinger hive over sticky fire starter?

[smoky latch]

Depends what you wanna do. Different purposes

[lone violet]

master mission

[smoky latch]

If your team goes down a lot, switch skill and change to BTSU

[lone violet]

trying to get tinker mask

[smoky latch]

Otherwise it's nice to set the human NPCs on fire with the sticky

If you're running that build in a BT mission just use the EMP sticky instead of fire

[lone violet]

The game is offering this

[smoky latch]

For the time being, better than the other one ofc

[lone violet]

Ok but do you remember what faction you fight in the master tinker mission?

[jolly bramble]

Are there builds available for the Foundry Bulwark set?

[smoky latch]

We don't really recommend tanky builds here. Maybe someone has one that is decent but I don't have any suggestions on hand rn

[jolly bramble]

Ahhh.

I tried out Heartbreaker and I dunno. Just not a fan of it.

[smoky latch]

How about DPS builds?

[jolly bramble]

That one I kinda already have covered with Tipping Scales.

[lone violet]

@smoky latch This is what I got going so far

[smoky latch]

Alright, works

Nice

[lone violet]

I accidentally scrapped btsu gloves so I hope I can gamble and get them off the exotic chest

[smoky latch]

But for now, since you don't have the BTSU gloves, you might be better off with a sticky. Comes down to personal preference, too

Pick what suits you best

[jolly bramble]

I am open to do a skill build though.

[lone violet]

Aight just dislike how I
Foam

pop the skill
game bugs me out of fire sticky

[smoky latch]

Hive is always good if you place it near an NPC spawn, might save your butt some time

[lone violet]

Do you fight outcast in the master tinker mission?

[smoky latch]

Wdym "game bugs me out" ?

[onyx sage]

double tap the sticky, thank me later

[smoky latch]

I was gonna come to that, too 😄

[onyx sage]

you can aim the foam and still double tap sticky to insta shoot it

[lone violet]

It’s like if once I pop the foam and proc the skill of prep the game bugs me out of shooting the sticky and brings me back to my second weapon

[onyx sage]

you should NEVER be aiming the sticky by holding it

[lone violet]

So hip fire foam

use my second gun to proc prep
And then aim down with the fire sticky?

[lone violet]

Oh ok

[onyx sage]

just double tap

[lone violet]

Cause I thought it was
Foam first
Get a headshot to get the buff
Shoot fire sticky

[onyx sage]

oh you mean perpetuation

[smoky latch]

You don't always have to use Perpetuation

[lone violet]

ah ok

[onyx sage]

yeah i don't know anyone who seriously uses that ngl

[smoky latch]

It's also safer to do it while they're foamed for the next round, depends on the situation

[onyx sage]

things already die without it

[smoky latch]

I have it in my build but don't use it often

Mostly end up using Scorpio anyway

[lone violet]

just a place holder?

[onyx sage]

i use mop with in sync for secondary

the in sync kills them faster and it persists even after eclipse spread

none of the downsides that perpetuation has

[smoky latch]

I use a shotgun with In Sync for a fire build, haven't tried with foam/fire sticky, honestly

[onyx sage]

if you don't like mop you can use anything else but preferably shotgun still for dta

i mean yeah, cuz i don't hybrid fire and foam ever, it's one or the other for me

but like you don't need the foam to last any longer

ideally enemies die before the foam even comes off

[smoky latch]

Ya

[lone violet]

ah ok kinda dumb i have to keep the gun with in sync to get the benefit

I just have it out and watch the fire spread

[onyx sage]

just remember to proc in sync first before casting fire

[subtle bluff]

sir has Skill Teirs?

[onyx sage]

like how you already do with perp, but you don't need foam, you can shoot with shotgun and then quick shoot sticky

[lone violet]

i know i foam first once i get insync i proc fire

[cursive sequoia]

Hi y'all,
I'm just coming back to the game and trying to teach my wife the ropes.
She'd love to run a decent LMG & or Sniper build but I'm not really sure what builds are decently easy to get started on so she doesn't feel completly useless.

ALSO - are the Regulus and the FI set pieces still locked behind the raid?

[subtle bluff]

Only Regulus is.

I recommend you go check out the Pinned Messages > Sheet 2 > Build Hub > Starter Guide

[cursive sequoia]

So I can get these missing pieces outside the raid? I checked it out but not specifically the starter guide

I'll have a looksie thanks

[cursive sequoia]

The starter guide wasn't really useful for the build tips - but I'll go throuigh the suggested builds in the sheet build by build until I find some build using a sniper :p

[subtle bluff]

I meant for your wife...

But also Striker and TS are good for LMG's and Sniper Guide in the hub should work

[lone rose]

Does anyone play with LMG? What's the best way to build tipping scales for 50 or 75 stacks?

[cursive sequoia]

Ah - ofc 😂 Sorry. I found the sniper guide. I guess TS is Tipping Scales?

[subtle bluff]

Yes? what do you mean for stacks?

[lone rose]

What is the talent of the Tipping Scales vest?

[flint arch]

Pull the trigger

[junior lagoon]

are you asking which lgm would build stacks faster?

[lone rose]

Not at the set, at the vest

[flint arch]

Increases max stacks of TS effect, usually not worth it because it takes too long to reach 75 stacks

TS only builds stacks based on firing time, not shots fired

[lone rose]

These are exactly the stacks I mean

[lament reef]

same problem as striker’s chest, the higher potential damage isn’t worth compared to a normal chest talent in most scenarios

[flint arch]

I think TS chest is even worse than Striker chest in a way

Though I'm not sure honestly

[lone rose]

Do you play on TS?

[flint arch]

I have used TS before yes

[subtle bluff]

We all have. TS Chest is just bad

[flint arch]

You run Equalizer or Sacrifice with TS

And keep the backpack

[subtle bluff]

to get max stack with that is like 15s of non stop shooting..

[lone rose]

Which gloves are better named Petrov or Overdogs?

[subtle bluff]

vs 10 without chest

[flint arch]

Overdogs

[subtle bluff]

I feel like I do need to make a showcase with TS but I have to slow down with it..

[flint arch]

Now that I think about it, you can theoretically get 200 Striker stacks very quickly with Rock 'n Roll, but with TS you need to wait 15 seconds and waste a lot of ammo

[lone rose]

How much critical chance and critical damage is ideally needed? For TS

[flint arch]

TS gives you a lot of CHD, it's best to hit 60% CHC first even if you will overcap a bit

[lone rose]

i have 57% crit chance

[flint arch]

Add another CHC attribute

[lone rose]

Me definitely need crit cap?

[onyx sage]

TS with backpack gives you 350% crit damage bro, that extra 12% crit damage ain't nothing 💀

[subtle bluff]

TS w/BP get's 350 CHD.. Missing a Chance to Crit with that much CHD is kind of just a lost.

[subtle bluff]

Let me leave you with this graph

[lone rose]

50 stacks?

[onyx sage]

yes

TS chest is bad, don't take it

[junior lagoon]

even with alejandro?

[lone rose]

and Palisade brand vest

[onyx sage]

u just want higher burst at the beginning

having low burst is TS' weakness

[flint arch]

TS is dependent on firing time, even if you have a 99999 RPM LMG it will still take you 15 seconds

[subtle bluff]

Look above

[onyx sage]

the chest exacerbates that

[lone rose]

Thanks!

[silent storm]

You just need a Cooler

[flint arch]

TS feels a lot slower to use

And repositioning seems to be generally discouraged since you lose stacks very quickly

[junior lagoon]

do you have a favorite hybrid pfe build to use in climax master/solo missions

[arctic rock]

How did people find out that TS stacks are time based? Some clarity in teh tool tip would have been useful 🙁

[silent storm]

Just Suppress an enemy

[flint arch]

I guess, but sometimes you don't have time to suppress an enemy

[old cypress]

Anyone has a good build using merciless?

[flint arch]

Merciless is bad

[old cypress]

Whats good then?

[hazy steeple]

You can slap Merci/Ruth on a Strikers, but it's not really great.

[flint arch]

1886 rifle is what most people use

[subtle bluff]

You can kind do it with CoCo

[old cypress]

Whats CoCo

[flint arch]

Concentrated Company

[subtle bluff]

ty

[old cypress]

Ahhh

I will look it up

[subtle bluff]

It does compare with Striker for DPS but it's just how stacks are made really in the end is what make all 3 different

[flint arch]

I guess it's just different playstyles

I did notice that my DPS was basically on par with my Striker build once I reached max stacks

[hazy steeple]

Being a recent convert to the Equa/UA/Dogs build, I can safely say that Striker has some good competition these days, which is always a good thing.

[flint arch]

It's fun to mix things up sometimes

[willow sigil]

does your build req any ramp up time? or does it work right out of the gate?

[old cypress]

So basically striker is king? Kind of?

[hazy steeple]

Nah not really anymore. I mean it's still really good, but it's not the be-all-end-all anymore.

[hazy steeple]

Just dogs stuff, so you gotta prioritise right.
but outside of that, you can pretty much just point and shoot.

[old cypress]

Right now im just using a haywire build and just cheese enemies with bomb, anyone uses the same maybe a better one than mine?

[willow sigil]

what do i need to gather for this?

[hazy steeple]

lemme find the screenshot

all credit to a very Average player.
That's the named Equaliser Chest, and Salvo Holster.

[old cypress]

Where can I hunt for the overdogs?

[willow sigil]

i am indeed the definition of average

[hazy steeple]

It's a good average build!

[willow sigil]

crap this doesnt help me at all i have no idea what these pieces are

[hazy steeple]

I edited it a bit, ask more if ya need to.

Mask is Grupo, Backpack is Ceska, w/ the Talent "Vigilance".
overall just focus on getting your crit chance (CHC) as close to 60% without going over, and pour the rest into crit damage (CHD)

The basic idea of the build is that you use the Decoy and Banshee Pulse to distract enemies, and pump damage into them without getting shot too much.

[flint arch]

I had this build with PGC and The Gift, but it felt sluggish to me tbh and didn't really use it much

[junior lagoon]

why UA kneepads?

[hazy steeple]

Giant magazine size.

[flint arch]

3p UA effect is probably more worth it than Foxes

[hazy steeple]

swap them for foxes if you really want, but an Elmo with 106 rounds is hilarious.

[junior lagoon]

ah the 3rd bonus

[willow sigil]

i should prob just finish 1 build before looking at others

[junior lagoon]

what was vigilance doing?

[hazy steeple]

This is very much a "later game" build, as it requires mechanics knowledge and spawn cheesing.

[hazy steeple]

murder.

[junior lagoon]

you should not take damage right?

[hazy steeple]

That's the idea of most endgame builds, yeah.

[willow sigil]

i know my shotgun is supposed to get me to 100 stacks, but i never actually use it to get me to 100 stacks, is there another secondary that would provide any use to me?

[flint arch]

Ideally you should be able to shoot enemies without having to trade damage with them

[hazy steeple]

Honestly that sounds obvious, but genuinely it's an aquired skill and can take a long time to get it right, and even people who've mastered it, still fail every now and then.

[flint arch]

SMG-9 with Unwavering is a popular choice

[willow sigil]

and what would i use it for?

[flint arch]

When you need to nail someone at close range and your primary is out of ammo or something

[junior lagoon]

i am more of an adrenaline rush guy

unbrekable + adrenaline rush = survive

[willow sigil]

yeah that sounds like something i would use, thanks ill look it up

[flint arch]

I like living life on the fast lane with PGC and Vigilance

I die a lot because of it but it's satisfying when I sometimes manage to kill everyone without getting hit at all

[onyx sage]

i don't run pfe personally, maybe someone else can help out

[onyx sage]

just watching how it stacks and noticing patterns

[flint arch]

MSV is very good at telling you what each piece of gear does. /s

For example, Streamline is not as good as its description would imply, by a long shot

Striker's effect description is wrong

And a lot of other stuff, but you get the idea

[sour acorn]

Best way to get an elmo?

[flint arch]

There's a lot of testing and math done just to figure out what a talent/piece of gear actually does

Because apparently the devs have no idea how to convey it to us clearly

[willow sigil]

ive been having this issue, and im not sure if im just not understanding it correctly. i have the fragile armor directive on. when i gain stacks, i cannot remove it by using armor kits until i get downed and revived. is that correct?

[flint arch]

fragile armor has always been rather wonky

[arctic rock]

sometimes it works

[willow sigil]

so its nothing i am doing incorrectly, its just buggy?

[flint arch]

yeah

[arctic rock]

I do make sure I'm out of combat before trying to use it

[hazy steeple]

I've always found that if you try to heal without a status effect on you, it tends to work fine, but I guess it's a YMMV thing.

[flint arch]

Thankfully I avoid this issue by not running directives

Except for special ammo, I leave it on sometimes

[willow sigil]

is the bonus xp not worth the directives?

[flint arch]

I wish Ragers will come back so I get a free 25% XP multiplier and let me see all enemies through walls

[marble creek]

Anyone mind share st elmo build for heroic countdown?

[flint arch]

If you're doing something like control point farming for xp, you usually want all of them on to maximize xp gain

Using a sniper build will alleviate much of the issues with running directives

[flint arch]

It's always Striker...

[willow sigil]

ive heard about this, but i cannot find anything recent on it, how does it work? it runs 2pc hs right? oh thanks

[livid vortex]

Anyone have a unique pairing for Big Al, w/Harriers Pride?

I myself pair it with 4pc Tipping Scales and Chill out mask.

[willow sigil]

yeah you keep putting these links for me. lifesaver

[haughty shale]

Virgin Striker vs Chad Tipping Scales

[flint arch]

Well, Tipping Scales doesn't work as well in Countdown since you need to move all the time

[flint arch]

Tipping Scales.

Harrier's Pride is not great

[onyx sage]

chad negotiator's

[flint arch]

And why are you using Chill Out in a DPS build

[flint arch]

i like nego sometimes

[onyx sage]

i'm serious tho

[flint arch]

makes the first wave of krampus quite trivial especially w/ bluescsreen

[haughty shale]

Hunters Fury is right there ya know

[livid vortex]

Not meant as a DPS moreso Jack of Trades where I can still manage damage with Survivability

[onyx sage]

i mean they have their place

hunters fury and negotiator are the 2 builds i use for solo zoo wr

[flint arch]

Congratulations, in exchange for a non-negligible decrease in damage, you get to survive 3 more bullets

I seriously need to make a document extoling the virtues of running 6 reds

[haughty shale]

And not im just trying to yuck up your yum. Im just saying in 9/10 cases id rather use hunters fury

[flint arch]

oh wait i already wrote it after my last procrastination attack

[onyx sage]

and i'm saying they have their own niches where they excel

[livid vortex]

It’s moreso an open world build, I don’t run Raids, nor Countdown, or Legends very often

[onyx sage]

like apples and oranges

idk if you're taking this too seriously tho

[haughty shale]

Then who cares. Run what ya like. Don't let Noone tell you otherwise

[haughty shale]

Im not. Just being hyperbolic.

[onyx sage]

yeah i figured

[willow sigil]

is there any variation that doesnt force consistent headshots?

[livid vortex]

I agree, I’m just curious on if anyone else has thoughts on what a good pairing “could” be

[flint arch]

You can use White Death with Determined if your aim sucks

[haughty shale]

My opinion is, if you like it, and it works for you, cool awesome

[flint arch]

Not hating btw, my aim sucks too, I rely on a White Death w/ Determined as well

[onyx sage]

you can use ongoing directive and loop the hollow point ammo

[stark marsh]

headhunter only requires you to get a headshot kill for maybe the first and second kill and then you can aim anywhere on the body (provided it's not armored)

[haughty shale]

Im coming in after a two year break. I have zero idea

[willow sigil]

hate away, i'm all for simple brain

[onyx sage]

well we try to give more insightful answers here, we don't just say "run whatever you like" to every build question unless the question is 100% subjective

[flint arch]

I've been trying to move away from Determined these days

[livid vortex]

I run that with the Rusty LMG, after spamming it with B.K.

[flint arch]

Mantis has been a lot more fun to use than I expected

[onyx sage]

yeah ongoing lets you loop the ammo infinitely, it's crit based so doesn't force headshots

[flint arch]

It will constantly refresh your decoy as long you kill with a headshot, and the decoy will give you leeway to miss shots

[willow sigil]

so determined says the next shot landed will be a guarenteed headshot, does that mean once i start the chain with 1 headshot, every sub shot will be a headshot, or do i need to get a headshot every other shot?

[flint arch]

if you kill with a headshot w/ determined, that counts as a headshot kill, so determined becomes active again, and you can repeat this over and over and over

[onyx sage]

every bodyshot or headshot after the first headshot kill will count as headshot kill yes, it keeps reproccing

[livid vortex]

Every other, but you can counter that with hotshot as well

[flint arch]

btw even if you miss entirely, Determined will still be active

[haughty shale]

Is it just me or is the pistol slot reserved for just Regulas or a utility slot?

[onyx sage]

quickstep came out so if you don't need to use the pistol you use that

[willow sigil]

oh that is fantastic. that is exactly what i need. and why do i need it on white death specifically?

[flint arch]

i cannot live without my 20% speed boost

[flint arch]

White Death is popular because it has extra HSD as its named perk

[onyx sage]

white death is just a top performing mmr, you might not need it for casual heroic

[livid vortex]

I use quickstep in most loadouts, Regulas for Sniper build, but shield tank build… Tempest / Liberty

[onyx sage]

sr-1 or m700 carbon or similar will do just fine

[haughty shale]

I mean movement speed is very cool dont get me wrong. But I feel like the TDI Kard is just better in my opinion

[flint arch]

not even a mosquito at the bare minimum 💀

tank builds are not very useful in this game, aggro in this game is very simplistic and you won't be able to draw it away from the DPS users by being a tank

[willow sigil]

thanks. speaking of named weapons, how come some named weapons have a fixed perfected talent, while other named weapons have random recalibratable talents, how can i tell which named weapon can do what without aquiring it and checking to see if it has a perfect talent?

[onyx sage]

i mean i don't use tdi much nowadays, before quickstep i only use it to empower my emp sticky or give extra charge to reviver hive and that's it

it doesn't help in any other case cuz you have to hold it for it to work

[livid vortex]

Mines moreso for handling a Bulwark until I get into cover

[flint arch]

named weapons on the ground look different (they have an additional chevron arrow), and their name will be golden yellow

[haughty shale]

I like it for the simple fact that having one skill tier at all times no matter the build im running is just nice to have. Not needed, but nice

[onyx sage]

you're aware you have to hold it?

[flint arch]

Oh wait I think I misread the question

[cerulean smelt]

i don't think they meant that

[haughty shale]

Yes I am

[onyx sage]

which you're not gonna do all the time because your main weapons would usually be more relevant?

[flint arch]

The Spreadsheet has all the info you'll ever need

Go to Weapons: Named + Exotics and you'll see a list of every named weapon, including what their named perk is

[willow sigil]

oh yes thank you for this. i needed this. i have the same thing for another game that i play. i didnt know something like this existed here

[cerulean smelt]

they got the same for Armor pieces as well

[willow sigil]

if i wanted to specifically farm specialization points to max out a tree, how do i go about doing that quickly?

[cerulean smelt]

maybe the 1 control point farming method? as i think you just need to gain levels while playing the specialization

[willow sigil]

ah okay, so leveling is the quickest way. i didnt know if there was a specific activity like some that reward 3-5 points that i would farm over and over

what is this 1 control point farming method?

[burnt bone]

Equip the specialization and do activities/missions

[cerulean smelt]

#ask-td2-community message
i don't know as i haven't done this but here's the link to such topic

[willow sigil]

thanks that explains it

[flint arch]

after writing my 6 red core manifesto, I realize I don't really have concrete numbers for how much blue cores hurt your damage and how much survivability you actually get out of it

[cerulean smelt]

that would be rough to write up anyways as there'll be people out there who won't believe it anyways

[flint arch]

I just wanted to link to something instead of saying the same thing every time someone says they're too squishy with full red Striker and want some blues

[willow sigil]

you can just convert armor to effective health and the compare that way no?

[onyx sage]

well that's not really gonna do it justice cuz ideally with full red you minimize damage taken

[cerulean smelt]

i don't blame you

[flint arch]

I wrote like 680 words on the "basics" of how to avoid taking damage

But then again, I'm not good at the game myself so

[onyx sage]

you can try to quantify it but the reasoning is that with full red you're able to kill most enemies so your damage taken sources are reduced drastically

and each encounter will change how you do that, so it gets too hairy

[flint arch]

I felt like I was the embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect when I was writing it

[onyx sage]

the current proofs we have now (full red runs) are qualitative and the best we have at showing it

[willow sigil]

so there really is honestly no reason to blue at all?

[flint arch]

honestly, running full red is just good practice

being squishy means you're pushed to play well and avoid getting hit

[cerulean smelt]

only blue build i read about is one for a particular boss in Iron Horse raids, then the occasional "Youtuber blue striker backfire build"

[flint arch]

and the skills you obtain will pay off once you delve into harder content

[willow sigil]

yeah i am also in the mindset of more damage = more survivability

[onyx sage]

there are very limited cases where you're forced to

[willow sigil]

does the game not tell you how much over 60% crit you are? you have to math it out yourself?

[onyx sage]

when the game mechanics force damage basically

[flint arch]

yes

we're not allowed to talk about it

[willow sigil]

thanks

[flint arch]

if we discuss it we'll get dragged out to a dark alleyway and get shot 27 times in the back

[willow sigil]

np

[arctic rock]

if you don't give up in frustration?

[burnt dock]

What’s the best pvp build with the big horn ? I don’t mine farming for unicorn sets

[flint arch]

most people here are focused on pve, you'll have better luck asking in #td2-pvp-discussions

[willow sigil]

these weekly legendary strongholds, are they designed to be soloable?

[burnt bone]

@onyx sage

[onyx sage]

all of them are doable solo

[cerulean smelt]

believe it as one of those PVP Starter builds in the build hub spreadsheet we have in the pins here

[flint arch]

doable doesn't mean they're designed to be soloable nor will it be easy at all

[onyx sage]

they are technically designed to be soloable according to an old dev stream, but it doesn't mean they'll be easy

[willow sigil]

not whether or not they can be done, but if the devs intended for them to be able to be done

oh okay thats all i needed to know

[onyx sage]

the masters tho have had no promise of being soloable

[burnt bone]

What’s your shd level

[willow sigil]

85, im struggling with the weekly stronghold and was just curious if it was a skill issue or not intended

[flint arch]

you have some balls to attempt legendary at shd 85, let alone solo it

[willow sigil]

i can do heroic just fine so i thought. didnt realize the difficulty gap

[flint arch]

i only attempted it at SHD ~500 lol, and my first completion was just yesterday

[burnt bone]

Think you’re probably a couple hundred hours away from solo legendary haha

[willow sigil]

was just looking at sources for exotic caches

[cloud sorrel]

do some retal

it'll be easier, you can even find groups for that in less than 3 seconds in the game chat

[flint arch]

never use the in-game chat

[willow sigil]

is farming up activities and kills for retalis quicker than running 2 countdowns?

[cloud sorrel]

if you want to do retaliations and ppl are there to invite ppl, why not x)

[cerulean smelt]

Countdown as it's always there, other wise no life global events and spend 20ish stars per exotic cache. there's danny weaver too i think for 2 a week if you got the textiles (currency for duplicate cosmetics from apparel cache)

[onyx sage]

it's like one of the most difficult challenges you can attempt in this game, i wouldn't put yourself down because of that, it's more of a completionist thing

the game doesn't reward you anything more for doing it solo, not even a commendation

[willow sigil]

the only thing i ever see in chat is a bunch of chinese characters

[flint arch]

it's not worth buying the exotic caches from weaver imo unless you got like a crap ton of apparel keys from the 5x xp event

[cloud sorrel]

then just type in, LF any retal

you'll be invited like 5 times in less than 10 seconds x)

[flint arch]

idk how to feel about this honestly

[cerulean smelt]

i do but not from 5xp event or anything. do sometimes log in and attempt to bring my 99+ keys down but i'm not even sure i make a dent in it 😹

[willow sigil]

i have no idea what they are advertising.

[flint arch]

character boosting crap

i can tell because i can read chinese

[cerulean smelt]

i'd imagine character boosting, Raid exotics or incursion exotics

[flint arch]

that sounded a lot more arrogant than i wanted

[willow sigil]

raids in this game, are they an end game activity? or i can just hop in an lfg whenever and get sherpad without being a nuisance?

[flint arch]

i play Div 2 in simplified chinese, idk why

[cerulean smelt]

more like Condensending? Div 2 can read 😹

[flint arch]

uh...

[cerulean smelt]

only matchmaking they got for raids is story difficulty which nets you nothing and you don't learn because the mechanics aren't all there

[willow sigil]

i would like to do some raids, but havent looked at any vids so idk how complex they are compared to destiny

[flint arch]

okay, you're going to need to learn the mechanics of the raid. I recommend going DH first. google GCROCK discord server, they have plenty of teaching raids. just bring a full red Striker DPS build and at the very bare minimum, listen in the VCs and perform the roles you're given

Dark Hours is honestly very simple

Iron Horse is just... holy shit

[cerulean smelt]

mind you Dark Hours used to be a level 30 raid, so things got scaled to 40, iron horse is a level 40 raid from it's birth but just has some puzzles for most mechanics

[willow sigil]

cool, id like to experience at least once just to see what its like

[subtle bluff]

Both TheDivision and GCrock depend on the time of day.

[flint arch]

Noted

[willow sigil]

are the raids not an integral part of this game?

[silent storm]

There's raids?

[burnt bone]

Not particularly

[willow sigil]

bummer

[burnt bone]

I think you really only do em for a couple exotics

[flint arch]

Usually people either only run them to get the raid exotics, or they just really love doing raids for some reason

Otherwise, there's not much reason to do a raid

You honestly don't even get that much loot out of it, you get like, what, bragging rights?

[willow sigil]

are there any type of achievement titles or emblems that you can add to your inspectable profile?

[silent storm]

I feel like I only did the first raid a few times and then never did the second one yet

[flint arch]

Yeah, bragging rights

[silent storm]

What one has the hounds?

[flint arch]

Dark Hours

[silent storm]

ok so I did that one

[flint arch]

Honestly, I would revisit DH just for the map, fighting in an airport is rad

But I don't want to touch IH again

I would rather try my luck at getting a Ravenous from a stretch goals cache

[silent storm]

Ravenous comes from IH?

[flint arch]

Yes

[onyx sage]

ye\

[silent storm]

I thought that was DZ only

[onyx sage]

nah 💀

[willow sigil]

is it because the raid sucks? or the community is just not a raiding community?

[silent storm]

Maybe I will do IH then

[flint arch]

Raid exotics have a very low chance to drop in the DZ as well, and it's unaffected by TL

[flint arch]

IH is extremely mechanically complex

[willow sigil]

and folks do not like that?

[onyx sage]

most people play this game solo and raids force co-op basically

[silent storm]

We have Incursions which are like mini raids that are fun

[burnt bone]

Div 2 players can’t read

[flint arch]

I dunno honestly, but generally it's kinda difficult teaching randoms how to respond to foundry error codes

[willow sigil]

thats no different than my community

[flint arch]

Broken cup on belt

Full cup on hook

[willow sigil]

we have some raids that take up to 8 hours to teach

[flint arch]

Oh and you need to manage an entire furnace in the 3rd boss encounter and stop it from exploding

[willow sigil]

its just a core part of that franchise lol

[burnt bone]

As an ex-Destiny player there’s a lot of people who dont understand basic instructions and I never figured out why

[willow sigil]

but it also helps that they are enjoyable

[leaden wraith]

Where can I get the Tempest pistol?

[lone rose]

The Summit

[shy willow]

Mainly the pact manhunt on master

[buoyant mulch]

what's the general opinion on this gun? i see nobody run it

[obsidian lotus]

average kings fall random

ALL YOU DO IN KINGS FALL IS STAND ON A PLATE

[cerulean smelt]

i used to want to tell new 40's to use it, but it's just a horrible AR gun that shoots like a SMG

[subtle bluff]

tbh idk why it's back in circulation... Especially that the UI for it's stacks is bugged atm.

[buoyant mulch]

the potential is there with its talent (i think), but its a shame the way it fires

[subtle bluff]

The weapon talent is powerful but it's AR but really acts like an SMG.

If you treat it like an SMG it's fine.

[obsidian lotus]

it sucks, takes too long to stack which is important in burst dps scenarios, bighorn is better in every way besides having less innate crit chance

[buoyant mulch]

well that is now why nobody runs it, good to know

[obsidian lotus]

its also just managing the buffs, and you dont get anything out of it until youve shot enough bullets to kill half a room

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no. Technically, if long enough or procs have been kept up with, chameleon has the second highest overall DPS for AR's.

BH doesn't beat it other than Base WD, WH at range and HSD stuff.

[subtle bluff]

No it's because it's a SMG basically.
I've been many players run it off and on.

[lone violet]

@flint arch can you send me the OD set up again?

[subtle bluff]

Build Hub! There's a Full Guide detailing and showing all the builds for it.

[lone violet]

its just they sent a link to it last night im trying to find it

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages

[subtle bluff]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

[cosmic forge]

Returning player, been mostly on and off with the game and followed some youtube guide on strikers that got me to tinker some of my striker items to some blue cores, but I noticed the build hub goes full red for striker build.

Is it no longer advisable to have blue cores on strikers anymore? I'm not particularly tanking anything with my 1.2m armor but seeing it go down to 850k-ish feels a little too low

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, that's the downside. too much flucuations with getting the 3 buffs and maintaining them. for fresh 40's i feel it'd help them to reach that 60% crit chance, but again getting the buff(s) losing them isn't enough to tell peopl to use it

[subtle bluff]

YouTube not a good place for knowledge or info...

[cosmic forge]

oh wow.... its jsut better to fullsend red cores and strikers backpack? I feel a little naked without some sort of bonus armor/armor on kill like a palisade backpack with bloodsucker

[flint arch]

you can run a PS piece if you can roll it to red, but bloodsucker means you sacrifice a lot of damage by losing the backpack, and you're better off learning how to position well and avoid getting shot instead of relying on a crutch

[gentle lichen]

Still a good choice

[smoky latch]

Forget about Bloodsucker. Running a PS backapck with damage talent in conjunction with the Gunner spec should be enough

[subtle bluff]

I hate bloodsucker.

[buoyant mulch]

i got quickstep and good lord 20% doesn't sound like much until you actually use it

[burnt bone]

you get places 20% faster, that sounds like a lot to me :)

[arctic rock]

I admittedly am not great at this aspect, but still not sure what you are supposed to do when you can't afford to break cover and yet there are bombadier drones and other things that can explode you into the open 🙁

[onyx sage]

they only spawn when your hitbox is exposed enough

think about you using turret/drone to target an enemy, you can only do that when you have LOS on them, same logic for the legendary droners/grenadiers but applied to you instead

tldr pay attention to your positioning

[jolly bramble]

Found a new build I like!

It's nothing special but it's a Turret Refactor build from iKia.

I'm missing one component which is just the chestpiece from Hana-U that's got Kinetic Momentum.

[subtle bluff]

Try this version #td2-build-advice message

[smoky latch]

A new player might be safer with iKia's version that uses Kinetic Momentum instead of Glass Cannon

Chow's suggestion is good tho, if you want a little more active play style

[buoyant perch]

We have perfect momentum (wyvern piece) now so that's better

[jolly bramble]

Good thing you said that, I completely forgot!

[chrome cradle]

So like I just logged back on after not being on since November is my build still good or did they nerf it?

I know it’s not completely optimized I like the armor regen

[lament reef]

damn, throwback season

[chrome cradle]

I do also have blue screen I just forgot to equip it

[flint arch]

use a different LMG, replace the blue attributes/mods with chc/chd + get an Equalizer chest

[chrome cradle]

-# nah I’m sticking with badger

[flint arch]

Tipping Scales Guide

[chrome cradle]

Took me awhile to get it good

[flint arch]

badger?

[chrome cradle]

They changed my build bro 🥀

[chrome cradle]

Not badger sorry

[flint arch]

even that guide is slightly outdated because it doesn't mention the Equalizer chest

[chrome cradle]

Oh

[flint arch]

@hazy steeple haha very funny

[smoky latch]

You can use the BK with TS for good sustained damage, but I'd also suggest a HE LMG with damage talent

[flint arch]

okay i found a more updated version of the guide

[chrome cradle]

Nah. iron lung.

Cuz I hate myself

[smoky latch]

Works too

It's not a bad choice tho

[chrome cradle]

Nah I’ll stick to bk and bs

[chrome cradle]

Ok I can change that a bit

I noticed something was wrong when I went into countdown and my stuff felt a little weak

Somehow my harvest didn’t change

[dim elk]

So I’ve been gone for a bit, last thing I was around for was exodus gloves, what are some exotics I should go for?

[stuck berry]

43% CHC and 156% CHD good for a typical PvE Striker? (All mods are 12% CHD)

[flint arch]

Overdogs

[subtle bluff]

I’m assuming for TS right?

[flint arch]

yes

[stuck berry]

I hate to be an idiot but what does this mean?

[subtle bluff]

How to build your stats for DPS builds.

[obsidian lava]

This gun any good?

[solar sable]

absolute banger

[flint arch]

very good and fun to use

[cinder wedge]

how do i get masks as targeted loot for countdown or ist it random? and should i run hard or normal i am new to it?

[obsidian lava]

Any builds for sniper playstyle?

[solar sable]

hold H over the Countdown symbol

[solar sable]

it needs more circles and arrows

[hexed steppe]

ik, i got lazy

[cinder wedge]

thanks yall

[hexed steppe]

summit, countdown, and retaliations all share the same target loot btw

[hexed steppe]

it really does need more arrows

[solar sable]

ikr?

[flint arch]

you haven't circled it enough

[burnt bone]

I can fix that

[cinder wedge]

does targeted mean the whole run for everyone wil be masks or just me and everyone has there own thing they are targeting?

[burnt bone]

Just you

[cinder wedge]

i feel like it needs maybe more colored circles adn arrows

[solar sable]

GOD DAMN

[cinder wedge]

maybe some underlining as well

[cinder wedge]

:D YAY thanks yall for the help this ia a damn good server

[solar sable]

You're goddamn right.

[hexed steppe]

pinning

[true oak]

hi guys i need to ask about something if i can not keep killer active most of the time best option is elmo engine ? and am i gonna lose mush dmg ?

[solar sable]

use Measured if u dont like Killer

[true oak]

gonna be better then elmo engine ?

[solar sable]

also, its not a great option to have 2 weapons of the same type, always carry different types

[solar sable]

it has its own things

[true oak]

if u were me . what is the way to go ?

[flint arch]

it's going to be slightly better damage wise, but elmos has a few QoL things going for it

[solar sable]

I would keep Killer on my Lexi and SMG-9 w/Measured or Unwavering

[flint arch]

70 mag size with a faster reload than a 50 size mag, occasional CC rounds, crit stats on attachments

[hexed steppe]

stable af

[flint arch]

I alternate between elmos and lex sometimes

[hexed steppe]

i feel like bluescreen is very similar to elmo in performance, that my usual goto with lex as backup

[flat cave]

to get green set gear.. what difficulty do you have to be set at.. all I seem to get is blue set gear even on challenging

[hearty viper]

What skill, exotic or whatever makes my damage go up by like 1 mill when im doing countdown with people? Seems like in some games with some people i just do a shit ton of more damage...it fools me to thinking im awesome when i try a new build lol

[flint arch]

could be the countdown countermeasure buffs, probably close range damage increase or something

[smoky latch]

That can be a variety of buffs. In CD the counter measures play a huge role as well

[hearty viper]

ah yeah, i forget those are a thing sometimes

[solar sable]

countdown has different Countermeasures that increase your dmg and people usually run stuff to help the team with other buffs like Coyote's or OD
hell, even Specs help tons

[flint arch]

and also there might be someone using Ongoing Directive and/or Coyote's, and more rarely a FI healer in your party, or someone firing Scorpio w/ Opportunistic

[solar sable]

I feel like the ultimate CD team would be 6 DPS, 1 CC and 1 Healer

[torpid glade]

Is there a specific range build you guys use for clearing content solo? The hunter's fury build is kinda tiring running around everytime 🫠

[smoky latch]

Striker's very often

[solar sable]

tf is wrong with me bro

[flint arch]

Striker works at short and medium range (and long range to some extent)

[solar sable]

like today I woke up super stupid

[smoky latch]

Those days exist for everyone

[flat cave]

I currently run Tech with the artificer and shield in bulwark.. I'm a bullet sponge

[smoky latch]

How about killing NPCs?

[solar sable]

oh you went tank? lol

[flint arch]

I've come to appreciate how hazpro foam users trivialize hunters

[burnt bone]

he doesnt know chat

[flint arch]

who knew killing them would be so easy if they just stood still and couldn't shoot back

[flat cave]

want the green set of bulwark but don't know where to get it

[flint arch]

istfg

[solar sable]

did you put stupidity pills in my morning coffee?

[flint arch]

i am tempted to link my 6 red core manifesto

[burnt bone]

mayabey

[flint arch]

but unfortunately i feel like i'm suffering from the dunning-kruger effect so i have no confidence to

[smoky latch]

I would rather suggest you try running a DPS build instead. But if you really want to, run challenging Countdown and select your targeted loot to Foundry Bulwark

[flint arch]

Just know that if you run FB, nobody will like you outside of very specific settings

[burnt bone]

the specific setting is me

i will like you because im a nice person

[true oak]

what secendary to use again ? gonna keep the lex

[flint arch]

@true oak

[solar sable]

that ^

[smoky latch]

If you can't keep Killer active most of the time (for instance in group play) switch the talent to Measured

[flat cave]

I do have a Refractor build too with turret and drone and capacitor

also would have to run to get the green set of that too

[true oak]

okay thank you guys i hope you all have a good day

[cinder wedge]

didn't realize countdown was on a timer kinda feel bad for being new to it gonna not do that for awhile also i don't like people talkin osik at me because i am new to something I'm already hard enough on myself thanks for all the help tho this chat is decent anyways sry for the mini rant gn

[civic pecan]

poop

[smoky latch]

, and . exist

[burnt bone]

false INFormation

[flint arch]

correct INFormation

[solar sable]

I miss that user

[burnt bone]

yeah he was a lot cooler

[solar sable]

LMFAO

[smoky latch]

Sheesh

I'll let him know

[burnt bone]

no i dont think he would want to hear from you

ill tell him you asked tho

[flat cave]

I haven't run countdown yet.. and the only real dps setup I have is a refractor blue set with the drone and striker turret

[subtle bluff]

I mean you don't have to but both are the most conistents skill to use with it.

[burnt bone]

Are you lvl 40

[flat cave]

I am

[burnt bone]

Read this - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?usp=drivesdk

[solar sable]

you really shouldnt take Refactor to Countdown

[burnt bone]

What if you took me to countdown

[flint arch]

Actually, please do bring refactor to Countdown, it'll be very funny to watch your turret noscope 7 people in your game

But yes, at the bare minimum, don't use deployable skills at the beginning and extraction, Hunters will hack your skills and turn them against you

[junior lagoon]

This is so overrdone. I take refactpr tp countdown and it is totally fine

Just dont use it outside

[solar sable]

I would... if only I wasnt a PGC main

[junior lagoon]

Turret and drone wrecks havoc inside just obliterates enemies

[solar sable]

I can already see your o's having a stroke from writing that

[junior lagoon]

I am on the phone

[shy willow]

Eh in a group of 8 yeah cuz you have 7 others to take the slack

Problems start when you get multiple people running that or similar

[junior lagoon]

4 people can do countdown in challenging

[hexed steppe]

do it

[shy willow]

Well yeah you can solo it but that doesn't mean refactor is good for it

[true oak]

guys is this version better ?

[solar sable]

actually, no

[true oak]

okay

[junior lagoon]

So is pfe and 10 other builds. Newbies come with all kinds of gear

[solar sable]

but gramps, I will die before I can step inside an objective

[shy willow]

Sir I also main PGC issok

[flint arch]

can i come too, i will ineffectively foam the enemies and get everyone killed, but i will be good emotional support

[shy willow]

Slam everything

[solar sable]

I'm a leaf made of glass, I'm very fragile 🍃

[solar sable]

sir, carry when

[shy willow]

Sir the only thing I can carry is the bag on my back

Incursion at a stretch but there's plenty of people that know it better than me these days

I feel old there's new strats

[flint arch]

gate strat

[shy willow]

😡

I've been saying ever since I first experienced that strat just make it like summit F100 where it forces you outside

[solar sable]

gate strat got brought back from the underworld

[flint arch]

old strats get replaced with new strats, but gate strat shall never die

by virtue of how many people will force you to use it whether you want to or not

[soft spear]

Can someone recommend a solo build?

[shy willow]

⛩️🔫

[flint arch]

red striker

[smoky latch]

Take a look at these:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nOwUSECa-1iLhET-mW04u6oMBdIdMjFjB2Ie25ziEA/mobilebasic

[soft spear]

Thank you

[solar sable]

this or swap Strikers for Hunters Fury and Backfire

[smoky latch]

"Why am I bleeding?"

[flint arch]

Sometimes I forget Memento exists

[solar sable]

Memento is overrated

[flint arch]

I rarely used it after bearing witness to the wonders of running full red builds full time

And also PGC

[solar sable]

"sir, you need gloves so that the barbed wire on the mag doesn't cut your hands"

[subtle bluff]

Are you trying to trigger me?

Thankfully I can solo carry Lovebirds now so I don't care as much.

[solar sable]

I barely know you

[flint arch]

it was a joke i know gate strat sucks please dont kill me

[subtle bluff]

As long as we're just passing by it.

[solar sable]

that's such a goated flex
top 1 incursion clears when

[subtle bluff]

I was never top on clears amount.. I think I was 3rd.. But was never my goal..

[smoky latch]

In regards to this, lol:
#td2-build-advice message

[subtle bluff]

I just learned the xbox top clear amount is actually nuts and I... just don't know how they did it...

[solar sable]

how many?

[subtle bluff]

15k.......

[solar sable]

WHAT

[flint arch]

wtf

[subtle bluff]

or 5k....

[solar sable]

that has to be Naval

[subtle bluff]

One sec..

[shy willow]

Sir I wish

Well realistically no I don't I have a life

I think I'm at 130 ish? Only top 300 clears

When the incursion came out I had a top 30 time at one point

[subtle bluff]

Someone SS it... IDK where it is.

[shy willow]

I would if I was at home but yeah 15k is about right

The people up there are infamous for being sketch

[solar sable]

wtaf

[smoky latch]

15k incursions?

[cosmic forge]

trying out full red striker, no lexington but i do got st elmos, is it worth or do i make an M4 with killer on it?

[smoky latch]

Elmo is good but I'd recommend farming for a Police M4

[cosmic forge]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1lwPe_8uKpHUSMJPYe4UXx4ED_ScYm3dw_81w7qCvH-o/edit trying to follow this, still trying to get the gloves, using contractor's as a substitute for now

[solar sable]

iKia sheet, banger confirmed

[smoky latch]

Grupo Sombra instead, if you have

[solar sable]

goddammit this server always makes me forget I have things to do

and yet here I am

[flint arch]

you made me remember i have calculus homework due tomorrow

[smoky latch]

Come, take a seat near the fireplace

[shy willow]

Yes lmao

[smoky latch]

Holy shit...

[subtle bluff]

That sounds about right because there no way anyone could do that many.

[hallow arch]

has Striker been dethroned?

[flint arch]

hell no

[hallow arch]

damn, the thing's that busted??

[flint arch]

well, I wouldn't say Striker has a throne nowadays actually

Tipping Scales and Concentrated Company are both very comparable with Striker

[hallow arch]

ahhh, Big Three type situation then

[flint arch]

They demand different playstyles but the damage potential is similarly high

[solar sable]

welcome back

[hallow arch]

who would've thought in a game with different ways of dealing damage, the best one is just straight up "more damage"

[hallow arch]

thanks, my laptop is still unable to play TD2, but I'm planning on getting a good PC

[flint arch]

it's always "shoot enemy, deal damage, shoot enemy more, deal more damage"

[hallow arch]

occasionally "shoot protected area until it breaks" then deal damage

[solar sable]

oh boy, you're gonna hate today's ram and storage prices

[flint arch]

though TS is more like "keep the trigger held and waste all your ammo", and CoCo is "have 3 other agents shoot the enemy alongside you"

[hallow arch]

The AI bubble better pop right now PLEASE

[solar sable]

"Rivens reacted '😠' to your message"

[hallow arch]

That said, has the build hub been updated? Considering the amount of new stuff lately

[flint arch]

How much RAM does Rivens use

[solar sable]

I think so

[flint arch]

I don't think most recent stuff (e.g. Big Al) has been added yet, but what's in there is already basically correct

[hallow arch]

noted

[subtle bluff]

@solar sable you use Big AL yet?

[solar sable]

nope

I think I dont have it

[subtle bluff]

I'm like 3 things away from it.

[flint arch]

please get it faster, im waiting for my final opinion on big al to arrive

[subtle bluff]

My issue with it is gonna be gameplay.

ND is gonna be probably the only that I'd use it on.. IDK...

[solar sable]

I'm working on it!
-Master Procrastinator

[subtle bluff]

I also have these guides I need to update. I'll touch up TS tonight quickly

[flint arch]

The TS guide is still missing Equalizer

[solar sable]

at least invite TS a coffee first, damn

[subtle bluff]

wah?

[solar sable]

I aint say nun.

[subtle bluff]

I added Big AL and Equalizer

[solar sable]

oh I can claim it actually

[subtle bluff]

also adding the (BiS) to

[flat cave]

I will work on getting a striker build made

[hallow arch]

Can't believe they actually added the Big AL

[hallow arch]

I remembered the first time I got it in the TD1's DZ

[edgy bone]

how good is the lady death vs st elmos build potential? I'm rocking a basic strikers with lefty and st elmos, got my crit all juiced but lady death looks kind of fun

[solar sable]

elmos wins by miles

[flat cave]

I still don't have St Elmos yet or Lefty

[edgy bone]

😔

[subtle bluff]

The burst off of Lady Death is really good till you have to reload after 32rds...

[flint arch]

@subtle bluff wait I just noticed Pesti is in the list of TS weapons, why is Pesti not recommended for Striker but isn't listed as such with TS

oh wait it's the LMG damage isn't it

[subtle bluff]

It really doesn't do anything special on strikers. TS care less about no Crit mods and the SWD helps the pesti tick a lil more.

[flint arch]

I checked the spreadsheet and 3pc TS gives 30% lmg damage

I almost forgot it did that

[subtle bluff]

Ya...

[solar sable]

yet ytbers use ARs with TS

[flint arch]

also that's like the 3pc lengmo bonus

[subtle bluff]

The people that like Rifle and TS.... just....

[flint arch]

wtf

[solar sable]

look it up, it's real

[subtle bluff]

Now that is actually is dumb.

[solar sable]

and pair it with TS chest

[flint arch]

stop, no more

[solar sable]

and NBB

[flint arch]

next you tell me they're running 3pc TS with chest and-

[solar sable]

🤣

[flint arch]

my lawyers reminded me that joke may not be a very good idea

so uh, I want to delete their ubisoft accounts I guess

[flat cave]

still quite new to the game

[solar sable]

look look!

[flint arch]

I'm going to strangle you

[flat cave]

what I will try and get.. though my set will be blue striker to start and the weapons I don't have but I do have a auto shotgun and a rifle.. don't have quickstep either right now

[subtle bluff]

(sigh)

[flint arch]

your reply scared me lol

[subtle bluff]

What SHD are you?

[subtle bluff]

not use this macbook yet.

[lone violet]

Does this person?

[flat cave]

like 130 something

[solar sable]

know shit? def not 🤣

[subtle bluff]

Do you have your library done and know how to TL?

[flint arch]

the only good thing I can say about them is that they're at least not using status effect and OD backpack

[flat cave]

I don't.. only been playing the game for a week or so

[subtle bluff]

If harrier stack didn't disappear when going out of combat it'd be a lot better.

[flint arch]

doomz is holding me at gunpoint to link to the level 40 starter guide if you can read this please send help

[lone violet]

I’m like the only person running tipping scales everyone is running strikers with st Elmo idk why or jus guns with striker gear

[subtle bluff]

They both do the same thing.. DPS.

[flat cave]

I have that info.. I just gotta get something put together to actually do that content

[solar sable]

wait wtf Big Al has NO MODS?!

[flint arch]

always has been

[solar sable]

AAAAH

[subtle bluff]

I have plans to do some quick DPS clips soloing leggo a few section and putting the builds in a DPS check mode and showing the different between why TS and Strikers stacks are different

[solar sable]

okay that's def a combo

BUT what about vs Iron Lung?

[flat cave]

I need to get gunner unlocked and firewall

[solar sable]

100k difference

[flint arch]

which is which tho

[solar sable]

Big Al and Iron Lung, respectively

[subtle bluff]

max stack on Big AL?

[flint arch]

wow

[solar sable]

on both

[flint arch]

guess the gun goes back into the stash

[solar sable]

nah they both compete

[subtle bluff]

The RPM wins on Big AL

[flint arch]

oh yeah I forgot damage isn't just single bullet numbers

[subtle bluff]

but the stacking playstyle is the con again

[solar sable]

although ammo is the issue

[smoky latch]

I'd pick IL

[flint arch]

when I used it I liked using Big Al to clear control points/do retal

but it ate through ammo really fast

[solar sable]

oh wait I was overcapped on chc with IL

[subtle bluff]

Does it handle like a mk46?

[smoky latch]

Increased mag for IL plus the CC is nice

[solar sable]

UHMMMMMMM

[flint arch]

welp

[solar sable]

big difference now

[subtle bluff]

from the sheets I saw from iKia it's on top when everything is fully stacked

[lone violet]

My current tipping point set up

[solar sable]

guys, I apologize

[flint arch]

replace that chest with an equalizer and you're golden

[solar sable]

they both compete

[lone violet]

Will do also is there another skill I can run besides decoy I don’t feel like it does it job when I need it to be

[solar sable]

PGC bro

[flint arch]

shush

[solar sable]

you started this

[flint arch]

(i ran my TS with pgc)

[subtle bluff]

You want to either Ceska or Equalizer chest.

[flint arch]

i feel like chow will murder me if I say something that isn't equalizer nowadays

[subtle bluff]

No.... I still have Ceska GC...

[flint arch]

because one time I screwed up and told someone to use ceska obli for striker and chow pinged me about it and I am permanently traumatized

[subtle bluff]

I don't use PGC nearly as much as I should... I am only a decent player

......

[flint arch]

[smoky latch]

I prefer Equalizer for TS, ngl

[flint arch]

my ego forbids me from seeing the obliterate icon appear on my screen nowadays

[solar sable]

oh so you're calling me insane now?

[lone violet]

Decoy uh idk if I just gotta throw it far from me or what

[solar sable]

not that far but a bit

as long as it takes aggro from you

[flint arch]

throw it before a fight to distract the enemies so you can get behind them or something, you can also throw it down and run for cover if you're going to die

I feel like it's one of those skills that doesn't feel like it has a big impact but you feel it as soon as it goes away

[smoky latch]

Bro with the big words here 😄
You have to shoot a lot with TS to keep the buff up as much as possible, being out of cover too long with glass hurts a lot. I have a better time with Equalizer. Not much damage difference

[edgy bone]

trying so hard to get overdogs and I've pulled my 3rd copy of these

😭

[lone violet]

I’m farming for wave form on count down I got shock punch

[flint arch]

[subtle bluff]

hmmm?

[flint arch]

waveform isn't very good

[solar sable]

mr sir good sir chow, you are a good person

[subtle bluff]

I do my best. Soemtime it's not enough.

[flint arch]

Chow sent a graph of damage dealt with TS with equalizer vs with PGC, I could barely see the difference other than that PGC has no ramp-up time

[subtle bluff]

OH I should add that!

[flint arch]

So it is purely my ego that forbids me from using Equalizer for totally irrational reasons

[smoky latch]

You have to stack with TS anyway and Obliterate doesn't take long

[flint arch]

Also Doomz will yell at me

[smoky latch]

For?

[solar sable]

we think alike

if it aint pgc I aint want nothin

[smoky latch]

I see 😄

[flint arch]

from chow

[smoky latch]

With the Equalizer chest The Sacrifice isn't untouchable anymore. Smoother to play too

[subtle bluff]

Added I'll update the build pics later.

[flint arch]

I originally overestimated Sacrifice's improvement over Equaliser

After seeing the graph my eyes were opened

And then I shut them again because I will not use Equalizer

[smoky latch]

PGC all day but not when I don't have to and have a smoother time running content

[subtle bluff]

but also I need correct some of the knowledge I didn't know...

[flint arch]

you might want to shrink the graph a bit, rn it fills up like 75% of my screen and flashbangs me

[subtle bluff]

I'll take it later and make it not flashbang mode

[solar sable]

I was about to suggest that

us gamers hate light

[subtle bluff]

I HIGHLY recommend not to click the light button thing in buildstation...

[solar sable]

I just did

wtf is that

[subtle bluff]

0.0

Ya... You know we tried adding a feature....

it was worse.......

[torpid glade]

How do you sustain armor/health with this build? I swapped Overdogs with Exodus just to get some survivability.

[flint arch]

wtf is this contrast ratio bro

[torpid glade]

Bragging rights for less damage? 😭

[solar sable]

LMFAOOOO

[subtle bluff]

Not get hit or kill faster.

Is that me?

[lone violet]

For a skill build?

[smoky latch]

Hahahaha

[subtle bluff]

oh it's fixed...

[subtle bluff]

Waveforms is bad.

It's a last spot filler sometimes but other wise not great choice

[torpid glade]

How do you not get hit playing solo and get sniped at, drone coming at you, grenade flying, or a random low tier enemy shooting at you erasing your armor 😭 Or is it me just having skill issue?

[smoky latch]

Decoy is your friend. Drones work too

[solar sable]

learn to position, learn to use decoy and... it's basically a "git gud" build

Decoy best tank OAT

[lone violet]

The holster is just a place holder but this is my skill build

[torpid glade]

Idk, I mean I do good in group runs and solo missions but Idk, is manhunt solo doable with stiker build?

[kindred coral]

im trying a melee build, wish me luck gamers

[torpid glade]

Just doing Jupiter with the flame throwers is 💀

[smoky latch]

Get the new named Wyvern chest and use a Refactor holster

[subtle bluff]

There are different levels to this game. Going Exo gloves is a decent way to go. I used for a long time.

[flint arch]

Replace HSD with Skill Haste and you're golden

[lone violet]

And mod slot skill haste?

[livid sorrel]

Tried foam EP with BTSU gloves and resto hive in lego with randos, I hate shield users a little bit more now

[smoky latch]

Sucking the life out of your hive

[kindred coral]

if you figure out a good healer btsu glove build please lmk been tryna make one

[livid sorrel]

#td2-build-advice message i just use this, although it's an EP support build that does some healing on the side

[lone violet]

Rolled this and kinda hoped I got skill dmg instead

[kindred coral]

o ty

[olive dew]

chow thanks for showing that tinkerer build it taught me quite a bit about synergies with gear. Does the spreadsheet have a tab that explains each specialization?

[smoky latch]

You can roll skill damage on it

[lone violet]

Oh yeah

[livid sorrel]

great thing about yellow cores, you don't have to worry about getting max rolls on em

[scarlet cape]

How can I get the Eagle Bearer?

[smoky latch]

Dark Hours raid, #lfg-raid-pc

[lone violet]

Well idk what to farm now tbh guess I give count down a break?

[true oak]

guys if i want to grind control points to unlock those materials should it be on challenge or heroic difficulty ?

[lone violet]

Or go for btsu

[solar sable]

challenging

[true oak]

okay thx for helping me all the day doomz

[livid sorrel]

Retals for blueprints

[lone violet]

Ptsd ahhh mode

Even worse if I get bad control points

[subtle bluff]

The Gearsheet is near the end of the tab shows everything

[olive dew]

tyty

[solar sable]

||you forgot to put PVGC in there||

[flint arch]

I mean we gotta give the new players time to run before they learn how to run a marathon

After that we teach them how to walk

[solar sable]

i admire how you have learned in two months what I learned in two years

that's some dedication

[flint arch]

Idk why this game suddenly took a stranglehold over my life so suddenly

The only other games that achieved this were... uh... particular Chinese gacha games

[buoyant perch]

You see how your procrastination affects you?

[flint arch]

I prefer to not talk about it

[solar sable]

you shush 😠

(you're right)

[livid sorrel]

Same, last game i got hooked to this much was Monster Hunter a few years ago

I'd say I was hooked to Chinese gacha games too, but honestly I wasn't as invested in those

[flint arch]

I still don't know how much I do know or don't know though

[solar sable]

you are above average that's for sure

[flint arch]

wdym, no im not above average

laugh now

[solar sable]

oh God... 🤣

[livid sorrel]

with all the new guys the average probably went down a bit

[flint arch]

my recent procrastination attacks (including the one im having rn) led me to writing this

and i've never been so nervous about my ability and knowledge of the game

[jolly bramble]

I played Wilds...not the biggest fan of it.

[fringe ravine]

Hey, just getting back into the game. Where is a good resource for end game builds ?