td2-build-advice

[thin pine]

i jsut got st. elmo w only 16hrs. which builds should i go? Striker

[north bramble]

what cores does the equalizer roll with? i see builds where people have all reds but i got a blue and yellow

[solar sable]

red core

[north bramble]

i have red core and a blue and yellew for attribute

[solar sable]

those are random

[north bramble]

are so i got unlucky

[solar sable]

basically lol

[north bramble]

damn

[cerulean smelt]

nods each brand drops with a specific core (weapon/armor/skill) then 2 random attributes, think they're supposedly supposed to drop with whatever core it favors more so skill tier brands tends to get skill related attributes or something but theyr'e always random

[signal topaz]

Any alternatives to st elmo/lexington? I wanted to get the exotic ar but now im in love with big AL

[buoyant perch]

Police m4, famas

[cerulean smelt]

F2k

Carbine 7 was pretty accurate but weaker compared to Police M4

[signal topaz]

im using the drill for now, is it good enough?

[cerulean smelt]

if you enjoy it sure, but the one listed probably does more damage than it slightly

[buoyant perch]

Meta talents right now are killer/measured so no

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 if we could put frenzy on AR aside Huntsman perfect frenzy i'd probably run it with frenzy but we can't have everything right?

[signal topaz]

gotcha got myself a police m4 with killer

[strong cave]

Everyone forgetting about the C-Tar 🫩

[cerulean smelt]

doesn't that not allow an underbarrel?

so it's like magazine mod, sight mod and barrel mod? or am i mistaking it for another weapon?

i just remember there was a AR taht's passed because we can only put on 3 mods compared to the others with 4 mods

[strong cave]

You can use a laser sight on the CTar since all AR's will typically want that crit chance laser

[cerulean smelt]

or was it for the LLP? 🤔

[strong cave]

You can't use the c.79 scope on it, that usually comes with crit chance too. You have to use rugged reflex

[strong cave]

It might be LLP

[cerulean smelt]

right right, maybe that's why skip it in mentions 😹

[strong cave]

Well, see, the issue with the CTar is that it has probably the best accuracy out of all of the assault rifles in the lineup. The biggest flaw is that the caliber it's shooting is 5.56, which in division, has more rpm and typically less damage. That Tar is likely shooting at nearly identical speeds as the Famas. However, due to it having loads of accuracy, they had to balance the gun somehow. So that means less damage than the M4 or Famas. It's a nice trade up for easy accuracy, going the CTar. Expertise is definitely needed to make the gun truly hit for acceptable numbers

On striker, having that extra RPM is pointless (and accuracy), so going Lexington or Elmo's is more efficient than taking say a Tar with Strained/Killer

[cerulean smelt]

so it's like the carbine 7 but better? 🤔

[strong cave]

It's like the carbine 7 but shoots quicker, way way more accurate

If you've never used the rail splitter, you've definitely never used the Tar. Give it a try, pump 12 expertise into it. It's a very accurate weapon. I love it. It just takes effort to get good numbers

[cerulean smelt]

i've tried rail splitter. but yeah i probably passed it when Heartbreaker had it's heyday and was like "i can't put a LLP on it?!" toss it aside

[strong cave]

Yeah heartbreaker is now a relic of the past that we dust off when we are bored of running all red builds. I scrapped mine entirely as PvE usage has died for it and PvP it's too easy to counter

Like the community says, "just use strikers"

And PvP, "just use umbra"

[cerulean smelt]

pretty much, hell i barely use strikers for the most part honestly so, that one season where you pulse things to set on fire i definitely made a red heartbreaker build for it 😹

then learned the sharpshoot pulse drone did it better 😹

[undone quartz]

Is there a build you recommend for summit all directives on?

legendary

solo

[cerulean smelt]

<-steers clear of legendary after already going through hell getting the bighorn once 😹 think i did skill build honestly

[undone quartz]

hopefuoly not skill build as i find them so boring ¬¬

[cerulean smelt]

was the only way i could run legendary honestly and got my bighorn and almost never went back. dien dragged me through zoo one day when it was a weekly project. thought i already did it but nope got the reward at the end and was confused 😹

[livid sorrel]

i used memento hb for my bighorn grind

[undone quartz]

i remember a scorpio build i used to use for summit which was broken and locked ppl down

some reason not in my loadouts 🙁 will need to see what pieces makes sense lol

dont have memento sadly

[cerulean smelt]

Hunter's Fury maybe?

[undone quartz]

yes i think that was it

[patent fossil]

Hotshot hh or hhf regulus would work
Ongoing directive maybe

[undone quartz]

trying to figure outt how that hunters fury scorpio build dealt wit hthe ammo issue tho, feel like i had some talent that tackled that

[cerulean smelt]

only shotgun talent i know of that dealt with ammo was pummel

[patent fossil]

Yeah, at least with pummel shotgun you get ammo refill, not sure how Scorpio would work unless you're regularly swapping to pistol to finish enemies

[cerulean smelt]

think each kill or each x kills refilled your ammo for free

[flint arch]

maybe they were using the build during a global event

[patent fossil]

Scorpio has had a fairly chunky nerf though, harder to get it to work now

[cerulean smelt]

right, used to be waht 9 shots? now it's like more?

[undone quartz]

so i dont have a chest or bag hunters fury piece in my stash, only hands, knees, holster, mask. Only leaves mes guessing which chest and bp talents i used xd

[cerulean smelt]

will be fine, you'd want chest and backpack talents anyways for high ends

if you got tinkerer's mask can do some odd dual shotgun pummel and brazen maybe to really push damage out 😹

or if you don't want to utilize skills, pummel + Streamline 😹

or really push your damage. keep the pistolero off so you can get ammo normally, go brazen + streamline

[undone quartz]

Take it back i do have memento, that was like the main part of the build lmao

Now leaves which chest piece i used o.o

swear its like figuring out a zelda puzzle

[cerulean smelt]

last zelda game i played was on SNES so i don't know what the more modern ones are like, i can only imagine it's not fun figuring it out at times?

much like me running around trying to remember how to get to some of them shd tech caches 😹

[undone quartz]

imma guess and say it was zero f's chest xd

[buoyant kraken]

Any thoughts on this and if theres a way to improve?

[subtle bluff]

Drop TS chest replace with Equalizer.

[cerulean smelt]

people tend to lean towards overdogs for it

[subtle bluff]

that

[buoyant kraken]

can't do overdogs, as I have tinkerer on

[subtle bluff]

Take off tinkerer

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, put TS mask on, swap ts chest to equalizer, swap highend gloves to overdogs

[buoyant kraken]

and the weapon talents?

[subtle bluff]

what you're using for that is fine

[cerulean smelt]

if you got a gearshift i'd try that honestly, but yeah GR9 with measured or Frenzy is golden on TS

[buoyant kraken]

got a max rolled gearshift so I can swap it if needed

[cerulean smelt]

just saying give it a shot see if you like it or not. i did 😹

[strong cave]

I would advise not to go frenzy on tipping scales. Mainly because tipping goes off of continuous firing and frenzy is known for mag dumping. Killer would be fine, hell even fast hands is a unique option

[sharp folio]

What builds would be decent enough in the spreadsheet for my newbie friend?

[fair dragon]

A basic strikers build

[cerulean smelt]

they level 40?

[sharp folio]

Gonna get them to that lvl in 1 day I hope

[fair dragon]

Then dont worry about builds just yet

[buoyant kraken]

frenzy was just there as an extra 90% rate of fire and 90% weapon damage when reloading the stoner lamg. Since it had tinkerer on. But working on getting higher overdog stats atm as I havn't been able to buy reconfigure from Inaya that and the shroud.

[sharp folio]

Honestly just trying to prepare in advance

The main issue will be figuring out which stat is which when he has german language on

[fair dragon]

Getting preloaded with information is the best you can get out of this, and the best we can offer you

Do not worry about builds, stats or weapon/gear choices if youre still in the tutorial

Just pick whatever that is at a higher level

[sharp folio]

I need to update my striker build to the obliterate one honestly

[cerulean smelt]

Equalizer?

[strong cave]

On tinkerer setups, frenzy is pretty good. Tipping is one of those unique exceptions where in this case you'll want ODogs. Having super fast fire rate on tipping is good but it's at the cost of emptying your mag quicker. Good for burst damage but tipping was definitely meant moreso for sustained damage

[sharp folio]

Yeah it's just called "obliterate setup" so just calling it by its name

[strong cave]

Most call it a day and run bullet king of bluescreen

[sharp folio]

I got lexington and banshee pulse, just need to get better rolls on other pieces

[strong cave]

Yeah the chest piece is Equalizer on that setup. You can easily use Ceska obliterate and works the same way

[sharp folio]

Is there any difference on equalizer and ceska obliterate?

[strong cave]

Your burst DPS will be slightly lower but your sustained/mag damage will be higher on ceska

Taking equalizer increases the burst but slightly lowers sustained damage/mag damage

This is one of those things where you pick which you prefer. Ceska or Equalizer are both acceptable

[cerulean smelt]

the 1 ceska makes it so you have 1 less chance on your build someplace be it a mod in mask/backpack/chest or your weapon

[sharp folio]

One last question: Is it easier to get overdogs through exotic crates/caches?

[hearty owl]

just get the bp from hyena retaliations and craft it

[fair dragon]

Be prepared to spend hours doing that though

[sharp folio]

Honestly I would if I knew how to start it, I forgot how to do that

[strong cave]

the 1 ceska makes it so you have 1 less chance on your build someplace be it a mod in mask/backpack/chest or your weapon
@cerulean smelt

^^ yup, which is where the Sustained/Mag damage difference lies. One does 4% less Total Weapon Damage but the other has more critical hit damage. The numbers are notably different when comparing them on a spreadsheet, but they're not drastically different

[strong cave]

Since it's hyenas you'll need to target, honestly just complete DUA on heroic once and it'll trigger an instant retaliation with Hyenas

[sharp folio]

DUA?

[strong cave]

District Union Arena

[sharp folio]

Ah

[willow tartan]

Guys how does the artificer work. What’s the difference between when it’s deployed via when it’s holstered is it just periodic when holstered and then when on the floor acts accordingly to what’s happening in combat ?

[flint arch]

if you throw the artificer on the ground, it will heal and boost everyone's deployable skills. if you keep it on yourself, it will only heal and boost your own skills

[willow tartan]

Ok thank you so deploying it on the ground doesn’t effect anything other than it helps teammates

[cerulean smelt]

and yourself and probably goes through your charges like crazy

[willow tartan]

Ah ok I see thank you

[cerulean smelt]

i know for sure i think artificer would deploy all its charges if a player used a shield. not sure if they ever fixed that or it's on their todo list or it's just something we adapted too

[strong cave]

I've seen it go to other people's skills even when attached to bag. Bug, or unintended design?

[flint arch]

Well according to the in-game description it shouldn't do that

Periodically releases a drone when holstered, this only affects your skills.

[strong cave]

Could be a graphical bug

[flint arch]

Then again, Striker's description is wrong, so maybe

[strong cave]

It's division 2

We just expect it at this rate

[flint arch]

you know what else is annoying, someone accidentally pressed enter twice when they input the description for striker chest talent, idk why it annoys me so much but it does

[cerulean smelt]

aka we just adapt to it 😹

[flint arch]

I wonder how many layers of duct tape is singlehandedly holding the game together

[hearty owl]

Some of the descriptions are wrong because the team in Beijing made them and so they were poorly translated from Chinese. The devs don’t care to fix them or don’t understand the talents themselves

[indigo perch]

Any thoughts on utilizing St.Elmo / Sleigher with Eclipse protocol to increase the amount of status effects you can dole out and chain at any given time? Been having great results chaining St.Elmo's shock rounds with Emps on warhounds whenever one or the other runs out. Same goes for the sleigher providing confuse whenever the riot foam runs out on hostiles and I need to wait a bit more before I foam them again.

[hearty owl]

I think what you’re doing is the only way to play around the status nerf

can also use blind nades on sharpshooter

[buoyant perch]

Well not much, st elmo shock duration scales with status effect which it looks like you are already doing. Sleigher's confuse is really strong but very difficult to aim imo.

I would still use survivalist because of the 10% amp for your teammates, fire nades are good too

[shy willow]

Depends if you're on foam or fire

On foam you can basically run whatever weapons wise but on fire you exclusively want capacitor

[indigo perch]

It is, so I try to chain it a few moments before foam runs out. Using that rotation removes my unnatural itch to use banshee pulse so I'm free to use survivalist instead, which also adds another status effect into the rotation with the fire nades.

[subtle bluff]

o.0

[tiny flax]

Rifle build?

[burnt bone]

Hi mr chow

[west sonnet]

i started building this character builder for myself, but figured others could find it useful, id love any feedback or bug reports. It's a lot of data and specifics! https://shdintel.com/

[hexed steppe]

If youre using emp sticky anyways you could add bluescreen. Your emp would become a trigger for status rather than the status itself. Hear me out since it sounds goofy. Firing air shots or shots into teamates puts sticky into a short 3sec cooldown, bluescreen can be procced with skill usage, bluescreen stacks can also be spread quickly across a bunch of npcs(especially if they are already disrupted and disoriented). This can be procced basically every 3 seconds

As chaining goes, you can perpetually have stacks ready whenever the npcs come out of a status

Ymmv inside building with this technique tho

[west sonnet]

does anyone have the base damage and reload time for Big Alejandro?

[onyx sage]

base damage is 39278.26

not sure of reload time, i can read some past messages

4.02s probably the base reload time

cuz i saw 3.22s being with striker + shd watch

[west sonnet]

thank you!

[sharp folio]

Which skill is good for grinding out burned enemy kills btw?

[hazy steeple]

It's more about the build than a particular skill, but Fire Chem is the way to go once you have the right setup.

[sharp folio]

I don't really need a build for that because for some reason the quests count kills even if the enemy doesn't die to fire for some reason

[hazy steeple]

People working out ways to avoid playing a video game to play a video game will never cease to amaze me.

[sharp folio]

Am I really doing that? I thought killing enemies for quests is playing the game

[hazy steeple]

Wait, are you trying to do the Ambush Event Challenge?

[sharp folio]

No minigun quest... 😭

That's why I need burned enemy kills

[hazy steeple]

Good lord it's been a long time since I've done that.

[sharp folio]

I just forgot that I don't have banshee pulse yet (thought I did get it a few weeks ago)

[burnt bone]

Do you have iron lung

[sharp folio]

Talent or gear?

Never heard of it so probably not

[onyx sage]

exotic LMG

[sharp folio]

Oh yeah I don't iirc

[fiery gust]

I would on it on Story difficulty. If it can be anywhere, go to Viewpoint Museum. Can probably use the Firestarter Chem Launcher and kill the 4 or 5 enemies huddled together at the very beginning. Then reset and repeat for however many you need.

[sharp folio]

I will probably do the whole mission

[fiery gust]

Those are just easy kills and it's quick to reset. XD

[burnt bone]

Hmmm probably just the skills then

[fiery gust]

Can equip Burn Sticky Bomb as well for additional burn kills.

[sharp folio]

Yeah I should have every skills that aren't from the specialized weapons quest

Or not quest but tree I mean

[sharp folio]

You mean chem launcher?

[burnt bone]

Sticky burn is diff

[vernal wing]

Best HE Mask for St Elmo Dps?

[burnt bone]

Is it a HE build

[sharp folio]

I don't see it then

[patent fossil]

Sticky is a Warlords skill

[sharp folio]

LOL

[burnt bone]

Scroll down/you don’t have it from dlc yet

[vernal wing]

Yeah just trying to find something better than Punch Drunk for Memento build on Retals

[sharp folio]

I do have it dawg

I do have the dlc\

[burnt bone]

Can I see the rest of the build

[burnt bone]

That’s not what I said

[sharp folio]

Oh wait I'm blind mb

[patent fossil]

Chem burn does an initial blast damage before setting enemies on fire btw, if that kills the enemies outright then it won't count towards your target, so you may need to set mission difficulty higher than Story/ Normal

[fiery gust]

I don't think it does enough initially to kill them if you're on an all red build. But yea, if you're using an actual Skill Damage build, 100% lol.

[sharp folio]

Also how do you get 60 round magazine for each gun?

[junior lagoon]

would incinerator turret count?

burn damage?

[sharp folio]

It should and you gave me an idea

[fiery gust]

It's 50 for most and it's a +20 round magazine attachment.

[sharp folio]

I didn't know that, although how do I get it?

[junior lagoon]

there is a mod

i think you get the bp by doing control points

[fiery gust]

Blueprints from a Control Point. I forget if that's still the only method.

[burnt bone]

Attachments boost bullet counts, as well as gear/brand bonuses

I think Unit Alloy boosts AR mags by 50%?

I believe tipping scales boosts it as well

[vernal wing]

50% CHC
112% CHD
Salvo
Foxes Prayer
Equalizer
Grupo gloves
Memento
Currently punch drunk but wanting to replace

[hushed forge]

is this a good build for big Al?

[burnt bone]

Could do a UA mask if it’s an AR focus

Or ceska if you’re missing some crit chance

[vernal wing]

Good thought - any other useful named Masks?

[burnt bone]

Nothing comes to mind

[tiny flax]

What build can i use with the 1886 rifle?

[smoky latch]

#td2-build-advice message

You'll find more using the discord search funtion for this channel

[rancid pendant]

Are we doing ALL REDS now? better than BLUE & REDS before? (I just got back after 2 years btw so my build might be old)

SOLO PVE

[smoky latch]

All red always 🤌 😙

[rancid pendant]

is it because we can get the BLUE ARMORS on expertise leveling?

what changes did we get? why we arent doing blue armors anymore?

[smoky latch]

Wat?

No because DPS is king in this game, has always been. The more blue cores you have the less damage you do

[rancid pendant]

quick death tho if unlucky

[smoky latch]

Memento in a red build already adds survivability, maybe one or max. two more blue cores on top if you need it

[smoky latch]

You'll learn to adapt and will die less and less over time

[smoky latch]

Yeah don't go over 12, it's a waste of materials

[rancid pendant]

good point thanks

[smoky latch]

You only gain armor worth one blue core roughly if you bring all your gear pieces to 30, not really worth it

[junior lagoon]

I saw this build online (i know i know) . to me it looks terrible but it got alot of praise for soloplay master-legendary. uses bluescreen and heartbreaker with nightwatcher mask. is this agood build, what do you guys say ?

the guy claims insane damage and huge survivability

[subtle bluff]

Lol it isn't insane dmg.

Clickbait 101

[junior lagoon]

so cant use laser pointer in bluscreen, why use it

[subtle bluff]

Bluescreen has a pulse built into the talent.

[junior lagoon]

ah ok

[subtle bluff]

Any build that uses Chill Out for dps is bad.

[junior lagoon]

why nightwatcher mask?

[subtle bluff]

Oh wait.

Lol I'm dumb.

[junior lagoon]

yeah not chill out

[subtle bluff]

That's for scanner pulse.... That he doesn't need...... Because what I mentioned....

[fair dragon]

Going to 12 is also a waste of materials for new players

[smoky latch]

For new players, yes

[junior lagoon]

scanner pulse , pulses enemies it scanned?

[subtle bluff]

I only have like maybe 10 pieces of gear at 12, but I've used over 800 exo mat in this past year.

[smoky latch]

I also just upgrade my most used and favorite gear

[subtle bluff]

Idk really it's not a great build.

[fair dragon]

I dont even put any expertise on any of my armor pieces. All my materials go to optimisation currencies

[smoky latch]

It's not necessary but I get enough mats

[junior lagoon]

guilty pleasure

[fair dragon]

Well except my Blue Strikers, expertised it to 30 just for the lulz

[junior lagoon]

i know expertise gives 1 percent per level. is there a difference between lvl 40 and proificient armor?

[fair dragon]

Its 1 percent of base armor. So the difference is very minuscule

The difference between exp0 and exp30 is i think 17% so just over a blue core

[junior lagoon]

i know that i am asking lvl 40 and 10 (proficient)

10 means exp 0

[hazy steeple]

Your items will never go above Lvl 40, think of Expertise as a sort of "buff" system that helps tweak the stats.

[junior lagoon]

grrr. forger expertise

proficient

[hazy steeple]

Proficiency is just a way to unlock Expertise.

it means nothing.

[junior lagoon]

yes but you level up from 0 (lvl 40 ) to 10. nothing changes in between?

[hazy steeple]

^

[junior lagoon]

then why in 10 steps?

[hazy steeple]

^ outside of being able to use Expertise on a specific item.

It's just a box that needs to be ticked before you can add Expertise. Nothing else.

[junior lagoon]

then it is much better to use gear then upgrade via donations

[solar sable]

actually it's the other way around

donating is quicker than using

[junior lagoon]

quicker but costly. i was avoiding using items until they are proficient

[solar sable]

what...?

[hazy steeple]

Unless you actually need to add Expertise to an item, you might as well do it the slow way.
We've officially hit the hard cap without needing to donate everything, since it can't go above Lvl 30 in total.

[junior lagoon]

yep

[solar sable]

how is donating junk gear costly...?

[junior lagoon]

i was waiting until i make the gear proficient by donating items before using

[junior lagoon]

junk ? no you have to donate the same item or mats

[smoky latch]

They mean you can mark items you don't need as junk and donate those towards expertise

[junior lagoon]

yes of course i do that

but think of incinerator turret

[smoky latch]

Just keep it as a skill and don't use it for instance

If you wanna fast track it spend mats, but I don't recommend

[hazy steeple]

Skills are actually one of the items worth maxing out immediately, since they're account-wide when you add Expertise, unlike everything else that's item-specific.

[junior lagoon]

do you guys increase expertise of signature weapons?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[hazy steeple]

Signature Weapons are unfortunately character specific, since they're counted as exotic guns, sorta.

[vernal wing]

Is there a reason to have multiple characters other than for fun?

[hazy steeple]

Projects is the big one.

[smoky latch]

Storage space

[junior lagoon]

can you elobarate?

[vernal wing]

You can transfer between?

[hazy steeple]

Projects are character specific, but the material/xp rewards are shared.

[livid bridge]

whats best for a pve heartbreaker build? with lexington and ACS 12. best exotic, coyote or Harrier?

[smoky latch]

Sure via stash

[junior lagoon]

i have a heartbreker flatline build that uses lexington and acs 12 (or stackbroker) with shield. pretty tanky

its damage output is low though. they call them tech tanks

[livid bridge]

im asking what exotic, cause i have both, never used the harrier before also im not running shield, i prefer the drone. which exotic is best. COYOTE OR HARRIER?

[hazy steeple]

A build won't always require an Exotic, it's all build-specific.

[smoky latch]

Chill, they have both different purposes

[solar sable]

Calm down...

[livid bridge]

Imma test it out then, see how it goes

also i am chill lol

[smoky latch]

Then don't use caps in a sentence 😛

[junior lagoon]

neither is the answer probably

[hazy steeple]

Less caps lock in the future, thanks.

[livid bridge]

nah im doing hella damage with my heartbreaker build right now with coyote, gonna try the harrier though, see what happens

[junior lagoon]

let us know the result

[smoky latch]

Heartbreaker and "hella damage" does not fit anymore since it got nerfed after its release ^^

[solar sable]

"hella damage"
-dmg output is 300k crits-

[livid bridge]

then why am i hiting for 800k when moving lol

my damage literally goes between 400k to 800k

[vernal wing]

GE

[undone quartz]

anyone can recommend a good regulus build for solo pve?

[patent fossil]

Headhunter's fury

[smoky latch]

Headhunter's Fury

[livid bridge]

is only when standing still, me who doesnt stop moving

[undone quartz]

thx

[vernal wing]

That’s why it goes from 800k to 400k

[livid bridge]

suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure

yeah my global event is turned off lol

can even send the screenshot if needed

[junior lagoon]

let's move on

[livid bridge]

people really just dont want to give HB its dues, plus too many assume everyone who runs it is going full tank 6 blue cores. literally not the case with me, im 2 blue core, 4 red

[smoky latch]

It has its strenghts but it's blowing nothing out of the water

[livid bridge]

ok

[swift meadow]

Best gear set for rifle dps?

[subtle bluff]

OD

Guide is in the Build Hub

[swift meadow]

i cant find the build hub lol where is it

[junior lagoon]

click on the pinned messages

[swift meadow]

the build guide says its not very viable at higher difficulties

are there any builds with rifles that are?

[subtle bluff]

As in leggo. Heroic the videos show it being able run thru it.

Rifle unfortunately aren’t that strong.

[swift meadow]

damn ok

[lethal finch]

For you, who is the best theorycrafter in the game right now?
I’ve heard a lot about Widdz, who makes very good builds.
But I’m mainly looking for the opinion of good players or real speedrunners, please

[subtle bluff]

I’m the most active of us.. I’m a meta build more than anything.

[onyx sage]

arguably the best ones for this game are nowhere near as popular as widdz

[subtle bluff]

He’s never seen skillhorn

[onyx sage]

ikia is one of the bigger ones i can recommend, but he generally makes generalist builds rather than those specifically built for speeds

and then you have the speedrunners like broken, hutchler, toasteyxgod (and me if you count) who just really post runs rather than build videos because we're mostly after fast times or completing challenges

[subtle bluff]

I tried to solo the first section of DUA leggo with EP and GE.

[midnight steeple]

What’s the first build I should make? I’m working on a striker & Elmo’s engine build, but didn’t know if I should focus on a tank/dps build instead, if so what sets should I run?

[subtle bluff]

But what’s up?

[subtle bluff]

You fresh 40?

[midnight steeple]

Returning player from OG days

[subtle bluff]

Keeping simple. Pinned Messages > Sheet 2 > Build Hub > Start Guide and Striker Guide

[lethal finch]

I'm not looking for speedrun builds; I'm looking for the best theorycrafter for builds.
I hate fake YouTuber builds that suggest garbage, like Pupsker for example.
I like being optimized to the maximum.

So for you, Widdz is very good??

[subtle bluff]

K what’s up?

Barely know the name. He’s been mentioned to me a few times.

[subtle bluff]

IMPO what solo meta without going GC should be.

[onyx sage]

you'd have to define "best" for us. but iKia would be a safe recommendation for a buildmaker/theorycrafter, he makes in-depth videos going over the inner workings as well as some other topics in the game

[burnt bone]

Just ask the people in this chat

[onyx sage]

i would not recommend widdz personally

[lethal finch]

Heroic with malus?

[subtle bluff]

I’ve some silly things people told me out.

Malus?

[burnt bone]

Chow, Dien, and the others here are probably who you’re looking for

[lethal finch]

Sry directive

[subtle bluff]

NEEED CONTEXT…..

[burnt bone]

Which weapons types do y’all like the most with OD?

[onyx sage]

no that run doesn't have directives

in general we don't really showcase directive runs because those change with the season

[subtle bluff]

I have a bunch of video showcases builds.

dien has the same but much more focus on meta gameplay at the highest difficult.

[onyx sage]

i also do not make build videos at all 😄 i only post runs

[lethal finch]

Ok tyvm guy

[subtle bluff]

Can you just ask your question…

[onyx sage]

he just wants some youtubers to watch sir

[subtle bluff]

Being blunt sorry]

Oh….

[midnight steeple]

Whoever made that spreadsheet needs the world piece prize, literally the best thing I’ve ever read

[subtle bluff]

hehe those are the OG Goats.

[vernal wing]

Can you unequip exotics to refresh their cooldowns? Or do a temporary swap for some amount of time?
(BTSU, Tardigrade etc.)

[midnight steeple]

Okay so I’ve got the ground works of what gear & weapons I need, what’s so special about the coyotes mask?

[burnt bone]

Free crit chance and crit damage is good

[subtle bluff]

Generally no, because the CD normally is “debuff”/status that’s put on the agent/agents.

[vernal wing]

Can you just swap off of it while it’s on cooldown to get some other buff?

Or even to another exotic?

[subtle bluff]

If I’m tracking what you’re trying to say, yes.

So in a sense you can chain OC with BTSU, Go-Bag, Future Prefect etc.

[vernal wing]

What that’s nuts

[subtle bluff]

Eh.. Effort but it depends not too much point sometimes.

[swift meadow]

for ar striker how much chc and chd do i want

[burnt bone]

with coyotes mask, about 50% CHC. Without, as close to 60% as you can without going over too much. Everything else can go into CHD

[cerulean smelt]

how fun would it be to keep swapping things to continue getting Overcharge though?

let's see. weapon, acosta go bag, btsu gloves, feel there's 1 more in there but mind drawing up a blank for it atm

oh, a now legacy manhunt had something where when you killed and if you were at 6 skill tiers you'd go into overcharge as well, forget which season that was, but was fairly recent as well

[scenic whale]

Birdie's revive if someone is willing to suicide on purpose

[cerulean smelt]

thank ya, knew i was forgetting a piece

[ivory abyss]

So if you are doing a crit based build Killer is the best talent for the gun?

[cerulean smelt]

from most people killer has a long uptime than any other crit based talent. i still prefer strained as it doesn't require "kills" you shoot it builds up and you lose it all when you're out of combat

[ivory abyss]

Okay cool thank you

[burnt bone]

Killer is goated

[cerulean smelt]

@junior lagoon this beauty tailored for Incinerator turret

[flint arch]

and by beauty more like "...mmmmmmmmmmmeh"

[rich cosmos]

After playing with the new backpack, why not just make it so that for pve, the blue stacks only require one hit instead of three

[cerulean smelt]

"balance"

[rich cosmos]

Div2 has really weird balancing

Or wait is it just bugged?

[cerulean smelt]

the builds i've tried it in. i haven't gotten full stacks of either so who knows

[rich cosmos]

For a while I was under the impression that they swapped stats but apparently not

I think what bothers me about the exotic is that its a triple core but has no benefit to using skills

[burnt bone]

They do

[rich cosmos]

Do what?

[burnt bone]

Blue stacks turn into weapon damage, no?

[rich cosmos]

Im not sure

The wording isn’t clear enough and I wasn’t paying enough attention when using it

[burnt bone]

I mean

[cerulean smelt]

reading the description it's what it says. get 3 kills or or hitting an enemy 3 times you get red stacks. take 3 hits get blue stacks at 80 they swap

[burnt bone]

“0.5% weapon damage per blue stack” seems pretty clear to me

[rich cosmos]

IF they swap then yeah my buff suggestion still stands

Still I feel like there needs to be some inclusion of skill stats

It being absent is weird

[cerulean smelt]

i would've welcomed some skill efficiency in there but yeah i agree

[rich cosmos]

Why not give the red stacks 0.5 skill haste and the blue 0.5 skill repair, then make the blue stacks only require one hit

That also is another thing, red stacks get two ways to build, but blue only gets one way to build it

Either lower the amount for blue or add another method

[rich cosmos]

Like build a blue stack every second your in cover or something idk

[cerulean smelt]

that's their balance i'm guessing

[rich cosmos]

If people talk about it enough they might change it

[cerulean smelt]

april supposedly we're getting revamped weapons and gears. perhaps they released it half baked and we'll get a better version in april?

[last schooner]

Hunter Killer is trash right? 1 extra stack/4% dmg

[rich cosmos]

Wdym “supposedly”

[cerulean smelt]

after a certain change the talent on it got nerfed so it's kind of moot to use it

[shy willow]

It's not terrible but not worth running if you're not going for a regen build

[native grotto]

This any good nowadays

[shy willow]

No

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, lose 1 providence. lose the 2 umbra for high ends

[last schooner]

I thought Intimidate got buffed again?

[cerulean smelt]

or, lose 2 providence, put on 2 more umbra

[native grotto]

What high ends

[shy willow]

Grupo, ceska, foxes, overdogs exotic, unit alloys

[cerulean smelt]

the way it used to work before the nerf was strong. but think it's a slow stacking mechanic now so it's useless. was a intimidate and ad rush combo that made it worthwhile

[flint arch]

considering the SHD level I think it would be best to start from scratch and go for the very basic striker to get started

[shy willow]

Any mix

[native grotto]

How come

[shy willow]

It only takes 3 seconds to stack now as opposed to the initial nerfed 9

[cerulean smelt]

stiker is just easier to put together and does damage

[flint arch]

striker is the simplest and most reliable dps build in the game

[native grotto]

What should I change

[cerulean smelt]

oh, did they undo it? i jsut remember it was instant stacks the moment you got bonus armor, then it was a time thing when they nerfed it 😹

[native grotto]

I have all the striker or some in my stash mask backpack chest piece and knee pads

[flint arch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?tab=t.0
striker build guide

[native grotto]

Can I send pics of the striker things and u can tell me if I should use them ?

[flint arch]

sure

[flint arch]

cliffnotes version:
use striker backpack, gloves, kneepads, holster.
chest is a ceska (8% chc from brand set) with obliterate talent
mask is a grupo for the chd

for attributes, get as close as you can to 60% chc, then put everything else into chd

weapon choices: police m4, damage out of cover as 3rd attribute, killer as talent. you can craft it from the crafting bench directly
acs-12 (any variant) for stack building

skills: if you're starting out, crusader shield and revive hive for survivability

[shy willow]

It was instant then 9 seconds to stack now 3 seconds

[lethal finch]

Why?

[flint arch]

you don't have striker gloves or holster?

[onyx sage]

he doesn't really go deep into why his builds make sense, mathematically

[native grotto]

Yeah knee pads on there but no holster

[flint arch]

oof

[native grotto]

No gloves either

[flint arch]

i guess you could use the striker chest for now, but it's not exactly optimal

striker chest technically provides the highest damage potential, but it only becomes "better" when you're dealing with enemies with comical health pools

[cerulean smelt]

about only youtube i trust is Ikia for damages and stuff. i just put things together and try things 😹 if you put a spreadsheet or formulas in front of me i faint 😹

[native grotto]

This is the chest I have now

[flint arch]

interesting

PGC is very strong on striker, but it demands that you do everything you can to not get hit

[winged prism]

just got big alejandro, could just be the event but it seems so insanely strong

[cerulean smelt]

probably is the event. 200% weapon damage is great

[native grotto]

So do I try get striker gloves and holster ?

[winged prism]

even then though, seems to out dps every other weapon/build ive tried with the same buff

[flint arch]

yes, and also find a grupo piece

[winged prism]

running TS overdogs

[native grotto]

So I want striker gloves holster chest piece and what ? Then other 2 should be grupo and ceska

[solar sable]

why grupo?

[burnt bone]

You ideally don’t want striker chest, it should be 4pc striker with the backpack

[flint arch]

I doubt they have coyote or overdogs

[burnt bone]

You want a chest with obliterate talent

[native grotto]

Ah ok

Is there anyone currently playing doing anything for loot I can join or

[shy willow]

Just matchmake challenging countdown and choose what you want in the menu

[burnt bone]

#lfg-pc

[shy willow]

Always people doing that

[burnt bone]

Or yeah just matchmake countdown. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?usp=drivesdk have you read this @native grotto

[native grotto]

Yeah I got library stuff I haven’t read it all but I should just farm for good striker pieces ? Then come back to this for the other information

[burnt bone]

Did you read the stuff it says about farming for striker pieces

[native grotto]

How do I make the summit target loot

And what difficulty do I go

[solar sable]

it's in the Starters Guide

[solar sable]

I don't recommend you, as a new player, going to Summit to farm for stuff. It's slow and you still don't have a build that can hold high difficulties, listen to the others and the Starters Guide and go Matchmake Challenging Countdown

[native grotto]

What if I had a group to go through the summit with me ?

[solar sable]

That doesn't take the slow part away

[flint arch]

dang it if only i knew that before entering summit when i first reached 40 on PC

[cerulean smelt]

most target loots in summit comes from bosses and doing the 2 challenges. aka run 3 floors without any agent getting downed. kill x enemies with side arm for y floors

[keen plank]

Anyone tested the new backpack on a blue pfe build? Good or a BP with adrenaline rush better?

[cerulean smelt]

i don't run any tank builds so couldn't say if a pfe with it would be good or bad. tanks build are usually frowned upon
my thoughts went to Aegis build though 🤔 more damage resistence 😹

[native grotto]

I did countdown and got like all striker pieces

What attributes am I looking for all red or mix or yellow blue etc

[solar sable]

again, read the Lvl40 Starters Guide it has everything in it

[cerulean smelt]

but they want their hand held 😹

[native grotto]

Yeah but u know so it’s just easier for u to tell me instead of me finding it in the guide lol

[cerulean smelt]

i have a striker build but it's stashed 99.99999% of the time so i don't know nothing about striker build

best help you get is a build suggestion. pointed to a guide to "read" continue questioning the helpful people will probably just put you on an ignore list 😹

[subtle bluff]

Wait... It says Equalizer not a Ceska Chest.

[shy willow]

In isolation yes but you're gonna have a slew of questions in which case just read the guide

[native grotto]

I’ve spoke to what 3-4-5 people all told me different things to be honest I’m just tryna get to the bottom of it

[shy willow]

The guide is specifically made for players that need guidance, make use of it!

[subtle bluff]

Why just read the guide... Guides were maade to AVOID the spread of misinfo.

or else we're doing the he/she said this/that.

[native grotto]

So the guide is 100% better than any information I can get from u guys ?

[hazy steeple]

The guide is made by people from this server.

[solar sable]

you'll basically get the same info as it was done by us, the community

[cerulean smelt]

guide will be exactly what we'd type here. just easier you read then we fill this channel with walls of text

[solar sable]

anything that doesn't match that info is either wrong or... wrong

[native grotto]

Ok thanks for the help

[cerulean smelt]

to which depending on moderator's mood. walls of text might go poof and you get mod telling you to "read the guide" 😹

[last schooner]

so what would be a better combo for HF? I assume build hub has the latest version

[hazy steeple]

Most of the time, when a big wall of text vanishes, it's the bot.
but it's still best to keep it guidey

[cerulean smelt]

havne't used that in forever but i'd guess that'd be the best place. i know last time i ran it was with Tinkerers mask 😹

[shy willow]

Ad rush/intim is still good

Alternatively can use stuff like memento, bloodsucker, oblit, glass cannon etc

[last schooner]

would you give up chest or BP for overdogs?

I supposed 'dogs is harder to proc when surrounded

[subtle bluff]

What?

Oh overdogs...

[last schooner]

4 pc HF with memento and overdogs?

oh I cant do that lol

[solar sable]

the dream

[cerulean smelt]

there was an idea i had when BFB released. HF + catalyst mask 🤤 but heard it's not worth it, dream shattered

[last schooner]

is big Al a meta LMG?

[solar sable]

not yet

[cerulean smelt]

never gotten one yet to know how it feels. div 1 i have one but i never use it 😹

[molten lodge]

W the stationary buff w its talent it shreds heavy armored enemies

I pair it with Stryker it’s nuts

[solar sable]

strYker

[last schooner]

isnt it better for Tipping for the extra mag?

[cerulean smelt]

for me that's probably where i'd place it but going to be tough prying gearshift off that build 😹

[last schooner]

why gearshift? might as well use slepnir for constant RPM buff?

[molten lodge]

W the 200% buff plus the talent and strikers gamble talent jus a whopping amount of dmg

[cerulean smelt]

if only you knew what was coming up next week 😹

why stand still when you can run up to a person and rearrange their face 😹

[subtle bluff]

Enough where I'm challenging myself trying to use EP to clear 1st section of DUA leggo.

I'm getting to the chunga spawn

[last schooner]

what do you guys spend your GE stars on?

[cerulean smelt]

not sure what to offer you at this point, but i commend you on your efforts i guess?

[subtle bluff]

IDK.. trying to show off how OP this GE is..

[cerulean smelt]

currently? legacy caches so i dont' need to do dz/conflict for system corruption

[last schooner]

is there much to be gained from completing the season pass project? is it a chain of projects that lead to bigger rewards?

[cerulean smelt]

the anniversary? past getting big alejandro?

[last schooner]

no, in your projects menu there is a "Season Pass Project". Right now its Camp White Oak

I don't really want to run it for a challenging bounty and a pc of gear

[solar sable]

opti, recal, weapon crafting mats and exo comps

[last schooner]

Oh I just saw the RPM on big al. Damn!

[runic rapids]

this. i used 120 stars on gear mats yesterday so i could max out expertise on all pistols. next is specs. then shotguns.

[dusky edge]

Named Caches to try and get Emperor's Knee pads

[hazy hull]

What do we think of this

[smoky latch]

Good start, now you should replace the non-fitting pieces over time

[silent storm]

why?

[cerulean smelt]

pvp build maybe?

[signal frigate]

This might be a dumb question but is there build that is really good in countdown or any dps build will do

[cerulean smelt]

you ask, your answer will be Striker

[signal frigate]

Sounds about right

[silent storm]

I like Tipping Scales or Bluescreen Dilemma in Countdown

Or Turret Drone Refactor

[cerulean smelt]

especialy vs hunters eh?

[silent storm]

Can make yourself immune

[ebon lantern]

What set is that? I see it a lot and want to build a skill set

[cerulean smelt]

that would be rowdy's specility 😹

[silent storm]

But Bluescreen Dilemma with EMP pulse is really good against the Hunters at the end

[signal frigate]

I thought using turrents in countdown is a bad thing to do

[cerulean smelt]

i probably would to troll people honestly

[signal frigate]

Evil

Bluescreen dilemma what type of build is that

[cerulean smelt]

more evil would be run it and ask why did we wipe?

spreading the love build. you mark things with bluescreen. everytime you crit you spead the damage. they die marked targets spread status effects 😹

[signal frigate]

Ahhh

[hazy hull]

Refractor

[smoky latch]

-r

[hazy hull]

The best in my opinion for skill builds because it repairs the user for 10% and allies for 20% of damage dealt by skills

[smoky latch]

"the best for skill builds" is a risky statement. You mean in terms of turret and drone, that could be valid

Don't forget about all the other skills

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 and i don't even have a refactor build after trying it and wasn't impressed

[smoky latch]

It's useful, some ppl just like turret/drone. Makes sense to use it then

[hazy hull]

That's why I said in my opinion

[smoky latch]

Yeah but you gave a blanket statement, IDK. I get you tho

[last schooner]

Is it accurate to say that providence pieces with CHC/CHD can be trashed? effectively replaced by Ceska/Grupo?

[smoky latch]

No, it never got replaced. You can use those on top for a HE DPS build

Old DPS build "meta" was like
3pcs Providence
1pc GS (or Coyote's)
Fox's
Contractor's

for instance

It's just an alternative for many builds

[last schooner]

hmm for HE DPS I'd run Equalizer/Sacrifice, 1pc Ceska, 1pc Grupo, Overdogs, The Gift and either Fox or Contractor? I supposed if I run the gift I could go with 2 more providence...

OK fine I won't trash them. haha

[smoky latch]

I'd really keep them :p

Sacrifice/Gift is a great combo for DPS, the rest is interchangeable

The HSD ofc is not important but PGC is and with 2pcs you get the 8% CHC

[last schooner]

Surely Door Kicker's is junk

[smoky latch]

I consider it useless in PvE; for PvP most likely too

[last schooner]

And Ferocious Calm...8 seconds for 14%? wtf

[smoky latch]

I think it's OK in a support build but also meh

[shy willow]

Spark unfortunately just not great

Not terrible by any means but when you're competing with glass cannon...

[dim girder]

is this good?

[crystal copper]

whats a good tank build and is the exotic a reqiurement? i dont have many exotics

[gentle lichen]

Until you hit 40 and start getting shd levels just use whatever is higher level and does more damage

[burnt bone]

There isn’t really a “good” tank build, the game really just isn’t built for tanking in the traditional sense

[solar sable]

tanks in this game are not actually viable to use, they just delay the inevitable death that is chasing them

[dim girder]

okay

how do gear mods work?

[shy willow]

you put them on and they boost specific stats

[dim girder]

it wont let me put it on tho

[solar sable]

if something is a higher level than your character you can't equip it

[crystal copper]

Whats a good build for the Blue Screen

[solar sable]

NegoDogs

[dim girder]

its not higher level tho

this is what it s hows

[livid sorrel]

you have to put it in a mod slot

[dim girder]

oh wait is it for armor 😭

[subtle bluff]

Don't worry about aany build till your Lvl 40. Nothing matters till then just put on the highest lvl thing and keep playing

[dim girder]

kk

[subtle bluff]

try everything out while it doesn't matter and learn the gameplay while your at it.

[livid sorrel]

behold

[lament reef]

[buoyant perch]

Just need expertise 30 to be perfect

[shy willow]

Infinity gauntlet ahh build

[livid sorrel]

another one

[smoky latch]

My eyes

[slate wedge]

i mean this makes more sense but still

[north bramble]

anyone know a good retaliation farming build?

[solar sable]

I use this

I recommend going Wicked instead of Vigi

[north bramble]

im still semi new and dont know gear from the look, minding giving me an overview?

[solar sable]

oh boy, let me look for something more friendly since the mask requires some work

[north bramble]

for refernce ive only got like 7 days logged on my char

[solar sable]

dammit Im in the wrong character 😭 I'll lose my mission

[north bramble]

allg no rush

[solar sable]

(was doing cough cough nba cheesing cough cough)

[cerulean smelt]

it's basically 4 piece ongoing directive put into Crit chance as close to 60% as possible rest into crit damage. mask you can probably swap to coyote's or Grupo

[solar sable]

this is more newbie friendly tbh

[cerulean smelt]

skills is preference

[north bramble]

hmm ok

ill have a look after this control point

[solar sable]

So this build consists in shooting three enemies and your crits will be transferred to the three marks. Bluescreen has a CC talent (Crowd Control) which helps a lot for Retals
Attributes are both crits in a +55% CHC/+100% CHD ratio for reference

As a beginner player, Glass is an option BUT it's very hard to handle in early stages of the game, Obliterate will be a great option too. If you wanna start developing good practices since early end-game get used to Glass and everything else will be easy afterwards

[north bramble]

544

[solar sable]

you may ask why is it hard to handle, well... because of this

[subtle bluff]

Oops didn’t scroll down

[solar sable]

Ive got this mr sir good sir Chow

@north bramble any questions? 👀

[subtle bluff]

I see. As I was

[north bramble]

ill look now, had a elite convoy roll by

[solar sable]

lmk if you are curious about anything else

[north bramble]

will do

[cerulean smelt]

pushes the secondsneed to see where china light will be TL 😹

[north bramble]

so i have the equalizer chest, i dont have the gloves and what was the gear set for the other 4?

[solar sable]

good option; gloves are obtainable anywhere with Gloves as Targeted Loot AKA TL; Negotiator's Dilemma

[cerulean smelt]

Negotiator's Dilemma. gloves you can use Contractor's if you've got them

[cerulean smelt]

uh, you got Overdogs there

[solar sable]

I crafted another pair lol

[north bramble]

is contracter exotic?

[cerulean smelt]

nah, high end

[north bramble]

ok

so i need to farm negotiators and contracters

only worth while exotics armor i have rn thos is memneto, coyotes mask and catharsis

[solar sable]

can also suit in Coyotes if you want

[cerulean smelt]

if you got a pair of these you can put these on and put on negotiator's Gloves

[north bramble]

i dont

[cerulean smelt]

like doomz said, you can put in a coyote's exotic mask on and just have negotiator's gloves and knees

[north bramble]

ok

bluescreen for the weapon right?

[solar sable]

preferably, yes

[north bramble]

so i need to farm negoatitor for all execpt gloves, and do contractor gloves

[cerulean smelt]

contractor's gloves, fox's prayer kneepads and coyote's mask are all optional for the build

[solar sable]

3 options:

1. Coyotes and 4pc Nego
2. Contractors and 4pc Nego
3. Overdogs and 4pc Nego (most optimal)

[cerulean smelt]

just whatever you go for you just gotta remember you need that 4th negotiator's piece someplace else

[north bramble]

would i be able to run equlalizer or does the build need the vest

[solar sable]

that's good

[cerulean smelt]

since you don't have the overdogs contractor's would be ideal option so when you finally get a pair of overdogs you can swap to those without swapping out other gears

[north bramble]

thats true

[solar sable]

so I run OD, which was the first build I shared, because you basically have infinite ammo of you're killing constantly

and with GR9's stupidly big mag that's not a common problem

[subtle bluff]

Keep the combo simpler, It's Overdogs > Coyote > Ceska > everything else.

[solar sable]

will do mr sir Chow

[north bramble]

my main weapon for a while has been chamealon

im hunting for the st elmos rn tho cause i know its busted good

[solar sable]

as a beginner you don't have many things yet, it's until you start getting the actual goodies where the fun starts

[cerulean smelt]

it's good, but it has it's limits. i stashed mine 😹

[hazy steeple]

you've really gotta stop that.

[solar sable]

you just stash everything bro 😭

[north bramble]

i just love it cause its a vector platform and vector is my fav firearm

[solar sable]

Never.

[hazy steeple]

I'm resisting the urge to change doomz name for this, too much paperwork.

[cerulean smelt]

why not "Receptionist"?

[hazy steeple]

I was going to go for the classic love hearts.

[north bramble]

right then, off to countdown i go lol

[solar sable]

lmfao, why?

[midnight steeple]

Someone let me know….
Where the hell do I get overdogs gloves from?
It’s on my specified loot but still not dropping from countdown/summit or am I only just at the beginning of the grind? (Was on for 4 hours last night)

[hearty orbit]

you can get the blueprint from retals

and then craft them, thats how i got them

I dont remember which faction it is though

[cerulean smelt]

rngesus and lootcifer loves you then 😹

[midnight steeple]

I got Elmo’s in around 8 hours of summit, so I’m clearly not that great 🤣 I’m close to finishing my striker set, the glass cannon, but I think overdogs would probably fit in better than the coyotes

[cerulean smelt]

i commend you running 8 hours of a snails pace slow way of getting something 😹

there's a picture on this server somewhere that states which faction drops the overdogs blueprint but i forget how mentioned it

[north bramble]

have on my second moniter lol

[cerulean smelt]

overdogs not on that list though?

[undone quartz]

Anyone got a good refractor build for solo pve?

[north bramble]

hmm

ur right, i was reading overlord as overdogs lol

[cerulean smelt]

my good refactor build is dismantled

if you look up Rowdy. they got a build ☝️ up there someplace

[scenic whale]

Does anyone have a picture of Big Al’s base stats (damage, RPM, magazine)

[cerulean smelt]

btw: #ask-td2-community message overdogs retal blueprint

[north bramble]

@cerulean smelt are contractors named gloves?

[cerulean smelt]

yes, they offer Damage to Armor as an attribute that you can't change

[north bramble]

ok

[cinder granite]

Are there any changes in new builds? Last time I’ve actively played when Ouroboros SMG was new for the raid and that’s it

[cerulean smelt]

ouroboros was a raid item? what universe did you come from? ouroboros here was in the incursion but it got nerfed in project resolve so it's kind of stashed for the most part

[cinder granite]

Ah right sorry, thought it was a raid, it has been quite some time that I’ve played, i just recently came back and was curious if there are new builds

[livid sorrel]

It's still fine, Chatterbox with 3 stacks beats it

[subtle bluff]

Big Alejandro 39,278.5 1,100 200 3.66 35

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 some changes to gloves. most prefer the Overdogs gloves over anything else
anniversary has big alejandro added from Div 1 and a new backpack Harrier that might be something people stash or turn into a component

[scenic whale]

Much thanks, also good lord that RPM

[cinder granite]

Chatterbox with striker/heartbreaker build is better than Ouroboros then?

[livid sorrel]

if you can maintain 3 stacks

[cinder granite]

Ah okay, I’ll look into it, i don’t know what they do as i don’t have them yet

[cinder granite]

Alright, funny thing is i don’t have the BP and 2 other parts for it

[cerulean smelt]

they're an exotic gloves that does more damage relative to the tier of enemies you hit, there's a weapon does the same thing but in a different order

[cerulean smelt]

forget which is which. one is like from bottom to top and the other is top to bottom concerning tiers, but i think because of how they interact you get both going at the same time or something? could've been ninja nerfed recently too

[north bramble]

what skill should i run for this build?

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-build-advice message

[north bramble]

ahh right, didnt see that

[cerulean smelt]

the usual 2 for most are repair drone and revive hive

becaus at skill tier 0 they still help

[north bramble]

ok, i tend to use pulse alot,

[cerulean smelt]

some will even pack the Kard "custom". pull that bad boy out and have it in yourn hand, toss revive hive to pick someone up, then pick up revive hive and still have 1 charge for themselves

[livid bridge]

thoughts on armor regen?

[hearty owl]

💩

[cerulean smelt]

there's apparently 2 kinds of them. there's straight up a specified number with regen and there's precentage based regen. pretty useless except in PVP apparently

apparently in PVP probably mentioned in #td2-pvp-discussions channel some sort of armor regen + headshot bighorn build that's pretty OP

[livid bridge]

whys it useful in pvp? how would you even make it viable? i did the math on what i could do currently and the most i could get is 15k armor regen

also asking here cause pvp channel is dead rn

[hearty owl]

You’ll get way better advice in there once they wake up. I’d honestly just scroll the channel there’s lots of info there

[cerulean smelt]

i don't pvp so no clue, just know it's more of a pvp related stat. pve it's just a huge nerf

doesn't mean you can't try to make a PVE armor regen build, most here will put up a cross and try to banish you 😹

[hearty owl]

Rightfully so. It’s just that the AI shreds your armor way quicker than you can passively recover it

[cerulean smelt]

<-attacked a guy who mentioned "i never go down with my foundry bulwark build" 😹

didn't think of it, but now i'm curious if they play normal mode or story mission 😹

i know i tried a shield + artificer "tank" build many times and find it makes the game even more boring as being used to doing a mission on heroic in x minutes becomes x hours. exaggerated maybe but that's what it feels like when i try and i gave up trying, though thinking a aegis + harrier might be amusing? 🤔

who knows @livid bridge tweet mentioned gear and weapon revamp in april. maybe there'll be a change in mentality for armor regen and tank builds 🤔

[livid bridge]

eh? when did i mention that?

i have no memory of mentioning such a thing

[hearty owl]

He means that the devs tweeted something about a gear revamp

[cerulean smelt]

you're misreading it

[sharp folio]

Which scope is good for lexington in striker build?

[hearty owl]

The one that gives 5 chc

[livid bridge]

ohhh, with the way you wrote it, you made it look like i said the thing lol

[sharp folio]

What's the name of it/how do I obtain it?

[cerulean smelt]

i tend to do the one where you get crit chance but no scope

[hearty owl]

No idea from the top of my head lol. There are 2 though

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, my bad

one gives you an odd close quarter scope the other just no scope both giving the same chance on it though

[sharp folio]

This one or?

Or the weighted iron sight?

[cerulean smelt]

nah neither i don't think

[hearty owl]

Isnt reflex sight one of them?

[cerulean smelt]

yes, probably the one i tend to goto

only scope i use is the sharpshooter on an MMR 😹

[hearty owl]

Yeah in the 7 years I’ve played this game I don’t even know what sight I use lol

[sharp folio]

I only have low reflex sight which gives headshot damage at a cost of distance/range

[cerulean smelt]

dunnow how they work, but most are just specific increases

[hearty owl]

I think side missions give mod bps

and then you can craft the rest

[cerulean smelt]

here's the other 5% chance scope

[livid bridge]

you dont need to, does it give 5% crit chance. yes. who gives a F what the name is lol

[sharp folio]

😭

[cerulean smelt]

i like this one

[sharp folio]

I thought you meant by "no scope" the iron sights

[livid bridge]

yeah thats the one i use

[hearty owl]

Yeah that’s the one

[livid bridge]

using actual sights in this game throws me off when it goes FPS mode

[hearty owl]

Now I’ll never forget thanks to this convo

[sharp folio]

Also what vendors sell mods anyway?

[livid bridge]

what are we talking about? i forgot

[cerulean smelt]

all of htem minus the dz ones i think?

[sharp folio]

Or the attachments I mean

[cerulean smelt]

oh those? none far as i'm concerned. maybe inaya by the crafting bench will sell them off and on?

[sharp folio]

Eh?

[livid bridge]

actually on that, can you get the eaglebearer from the DZ? its the one assault rifle i dont have yet and it would be huge for my pvp build

[hearty owl]

Inaya is the vendor

[smoky sigil]

Best tips/build for manager climax? Need the tinkerer but the mission is brutal

[hearty owl]

She has a mod bp im pretty certain

[cerulean smelt]

yes, but like a .xxxxx% chance regardless of target loot or something

[livid bridge]

imma keep an eye on targeted loot and then just farm it, wasnt sure if it was a myth since ive never seen it drop for me

[hearty owl]

Targeted loot doesn’t affect it*

[cerulean smelt]

forget the percentage but it's extremely low. btw you'd have to safely extract it as well which if you don't people steal it and turns it into dust or a component and wait till you give up

if you search eagle bearer in here i'm sure you'll see some mention of it in DZ percentage chances. like i said really low

[sharp folio]

I wonder if I should farm for overdogs through countdown or backfire

[silent storm]

Retaliation

[north bramble]

@cerulean smelt hows this?

[cerulean smelt]

little more chance is needed but you're getting there

[north bramble]

yea i still need to upgrade the attributes, there not maxed yet

[sharp folio]

I wonder if I should swap out my striker gloves to this:

[cerulean smelt]

you like punching things and going down?

[hearty orbit]

why not both? target smgs, do hyenas for the blue print

[sharp folio]

Grenades 😛

[cerulean smelt]

and do little to no damage? stiker does nothing for grenades

[sharp folio]

It still gives me a damage buff for dealing damage from a grenade

[cerulean smelt]

so 4 or 5 nade damage buff?

[devout iris]

In what build is the new exotic backpack used on?

[sharp folio]

Are you trying to ragebait me?

[cerulean smelt]

harrier might be a dead on arrival exotic. i've tried it and can't get stacks on it to make it matter honestly but i'll keep trying other builds

[cerulean smelt]

ok i give you that, 10 nade buff

[devout iris]

I saw how strong big Al can do with the right stuff but wasn't sure what this backpack's purpose is

[cerulean smelt]

you do you @north island come back and let us know how many buffs you manage to get with them nades though 😹

[sharp folio]

No like what I want to do with that gloves is just do countdown with my friend today once I get him to lvl 40 but it seems like idk honestly

[sharp folio]

Wrong ping LOL

[north bramble]

how do i optimize the gear? it says that slot attribute needs to be extracted. does that mean i can only optimize it after i change it

[cerulean smelt]

harrier backpack talent. it's a triple core exotic backpack

[sharp folio]

Also give me a better exotic piece that isn't overdogs or coyote's mask then, I just want to see how you would change my build

[livid sorrel]

Ninjabike obviously

[cerulean smelt]

wrong person to ask my striker uses no exotics 😹 did try a tempest in there to see how it fared but i don't think it's great so i'm just to lazy to swap things around even the specialization

and this build sits in the stash mostly 😹

[sharp folio]

Why is the cat crying tho?

[sharp folio]

Also tell me what to change

[cerulean smelt]

personally looks solid to me so i wouldn't change it, but it's upto you on what to do. but i just noticed empathic resolve for chest talent? assuming best you got so far for a ceska chest so you're still in the search of a different chest?

[sharp folio]

Oh yeah I'm trying to get good ceska rolls on another one so I can get obliterate

So yeah you can say that's what I'm trying to do but no luck yet

I have this ceska chest but like yeah

Handling doesn't help much

[ivory abyss]

I don't know too much about them so I am wondering when I trigger retaliation and go to the menu, before going into retaliation I can change the difficulty and the targeted loot? or is it based on what I have set in my world tier etc

[cerulean smelt]

little better than empathic resolve as handling does things like accuracy, stablility, reload speed, swap speed and something else i feel i'm missing

[cerulean smelt]

believe so but the time you take initiating the game you lose out on a lot of valuable time. you have 6 hours to initiate it but once you're in there it's like minutes to complete and depending on the zone. that time can cost you enough you don't finish getting all the control points back. animal kills drops 1 second. and if you go down it takes something like x minutes y seconds i think?

[ocean stirrup]

Any tell me which Gear system mods I need to be deleting i have nearly a full inventory ???

i dont use many

[ivory abyss]

the difficulty is based on my world tier though right? i might just switch to challenging since I am only BP farming

[cerulean smelt]

tip:if you go on the map where the place thier going to retaliate. you can double click in a spot before a control point so you get a gps as soon as you spawn into retaliations so you can have a general idea where you're going for your first control point
but yes your world difficulty sets your retaliation difficulty

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 you can only put 100 in stash, have something lke 100 on you in your inventory
most keep the 3 higher numbers for each mod stat you can obtain (chc/chd/hsd/skill haste/skill damage/repair skills/etc)

[ocean stirrup]

whats is the best way to sort them in inventory ?

[ivory abyss]

thats a nice tip, thank you

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-general-chat message
here's the filter options mentioned in general chat. on pc it's the G key if you're in your mods

[sharp folio]

What skill does a circle that buffs allies btw?

[cerulean smelt]

i rarely see it used except for speed running i believe it was or for some extra padding for hazard protection?

[strong cave]

Very useful pvp item. Wipes hazards away instantly

[sharp folio]

I saw 3 people using it in countdown

[strong cave]

It's also used on bonk builds

[cerulean smelt]

but i'm not seeing any running speed as a buff in there? did it used to but say project resolve took it away?

[strong cave]

Yeah it's also known to boost weapon handling which increases weapon accuracy/stability/reload speed/swap speed

[cerulean smelt]

swap speed too 😹

[sharp folio]

I'm not sure if it's actually this one tho

[strong cave]

It never had a speed buff I don't think

[slate wedge]

you can also just punch an enemy?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, but how many times have you punched an enemy and survived?

[slate wedge]

a lot of times tbh

[sharp folio]

Atleast 50

[strong cave]

Bro ain't playing div bro's playing UFC

[slate wedge]

It’s used in Incursion for HazProt and Weapon Handling

[strong cave]

How many have resulted in ysdeath?

[slate wedge]

PvP Bonk build rules

[sharp folio]

20? I think

[strong cave]

NEEEEEOOOOOOOM 🚗

[slate wedge]

i get that Overdogs is just better yk but Bloody Knuckles aren’t worthless

[cerulean smelt]

the times i ran incursion it wasn't used so

[slate wedge]

did you speedrun it?

[cerulean smelt]

nope, just ran it normally with a group of people, got my oreo and never looked back

only build i have an "overdogs" in is ongoing directive so not sure why you'd think i'm an overdogs lover 😹

[strong cave]

Let them dawgs bark

[slate wedge]

you should, most fun in the game aside from PvP and maybe raids

[cerulean smelt]

how do you think i pvp?

[slate wedge]

i just mentioned overdogs cause they are the Nonplusultra for damage builds

[slate wedge]

you ragebaiting me?

[cerulean smelt]

iamjustin on youtube ruined pvp for me. so i don't set foot in conflict or dark zone. aside the few times i've been desperate enough for a dz exclusive targetloot like a pair of Claws Out

[sharp folio]

Also what build would you guys recommend me for legendary missions?

[slate wedge]

i never assumed you were doing PvP, i was saying that for ME Incursion is the most fun in the game aside PvP or Raids

[strong cave]

A good group and striker builds

[sharp folio]

I meant for solo

[slate wedge]

HotShot Determined White Death

[slate wedge]

A lot of knowledge and skill

[sharp folio]

Is there a reflector build for legendaries tho? I saw someone use one once

[cerulean smelt]

i definitely don't do legendary so i can't help you there. think if you look up Dien on youtube you'll see some builds they use for legendaries, maybe mrchow as well?

[slate wedge]

Refactor or reflector shield?

[sharp folio]

F- I forgot the name 😭

[sharp folio]

Deflector mb

[cerulean smelt]

think refelctor build was a build but some update nerfed it or something

[slate wedge]

deflector shield is big poopoo

[cerulean smelt]

plus whitetusks tends to beam heads over body so it's kind of a why bother trying to deflect bullets back at them when you get maybe 1 or 2 before you're downed 😹

[cerulean smelt]

i'll tell you though. i am excited for a 2nd incursion. which i'll run get whatever they release there and probably never run it again as well 😹

[sharp folio]

I think I'm gonna run hazard protection build to carry my friend on challenging missions to lvl 40 then

[slate wedge]

come join the speedrun community

[sharp folio]

Average, just run it once and never run it again xD

[cerulean smelt]

in this game if you hadn't noticed there's usually something locked in exclusive to it that you run to get and after that really no point in doing it again really. least for me unless i'm helping a friend

[cerulean smelt]

no thanks had my share of speed running and didn't enjoy it

[sharp folio]

I was just joking, I know about it

[cerulean smelt]

now if they put things like seasonal blueprint drops at like 25% chance to get or other pieces of armor that we don't have a blueprint for like ceska chest. i'd definitely play it until i got those then probably help people for that 😹

[strong cave]

See it's fun but what's the fun in doing something really really fast over and over? I like seeing the satisfaction of someone finally beating something for the first time

[toxic frigate]

Just being competitive itself

Well its an option

[cerulean smelt]

i did enough speedrunning with a group to get on the leaderboard for Dark Hours before WONY and watch our times get wiped in the next couple days. no thanks 😹

[slate wedge]

3 reasons for me:

1. Ego-Boost: Same as in PvP i wanna push my ego by being better than other players at something.

2. Coordination Skills: I love having to have a synergy with my team in order to get good times and be fast. Teamwork makes the dream work ahh.

3. Thorycrafting: Having to think about other strategies and in turn having to learn the core mechanics and stats of the game is so much fun.

[dim girder]

shroud or big alejandro

in general which is better

[undone quartz]

anyone got a solid lmg build for solo pve?

[cerulean smelt]

2 different guns and types

[ivory abyss]

Okay I finally got my overdogs BP! now next question is, is there a fast farm of specific way of farming the auto defense parts or broken shd watches?

[cerulean smelt]

live in retaliations afraid. or be patient for Black Tusk Retalations maybe?

[ivory abyss]

Ahhhh okay lol guess its time to lock in and farm

[undone quartz]

Thx, what bag is that? ;o

[cerulean smelt]

Harrier new exotic

[undone quartz]

ooh ok

so not in loot pool yet?

[cerulean smelt]

kind of i guess? it's in the seasonal pass and i've gotten like 3 from the anniversary caches

[strong cave]

1.) video games to me provide zero ego boost. If it doesn't pay my bills, it's meaningless to me

2.) coordination skills is a good one tbh. I'm just lazy trying to find like minded players because they all already have their own cliques

3.) learning core values is fun that I do agree with. Problem with doing speedrunning is that it's specific content

[ivory abyss]

When does the 5X xp go away?

[undone quartz]

exotic caches dont drop them right?

[cerulean smelt]

far as i know. none has given me the alejandro or harrier

[hushed forge]

Still cant decide what build is best for alejandro. Tipping scales with the overdogs gloves?

[cerulean smelt]

i'm thinking Ongoing directive

[versed summit]

I'd say so. The slower time to empty gives you better uptime on the talent than you would on striker, and Tipping Scales is already really competitive with striker.

[sharp folio]

God roll overdogs from the uhhh anniversary cache somehow

[subtle bluff]

That's how they come.

[sharp folio]

It seems like it

As a bonus item tho

[hushed forge]

I saw someone utilize centurions holster to give free reloads. But it looked like a glitch

[versed summit]

yeah heard something about that.

[hushed forge]

Like the stacks stayed active

[cerulean smelt]

never heard of centurious knees? i do know of centurions holster?

[hushed forge]

I meant holster

[cerulean smelt]

far as i remember that didn't give free reloads. it was based on swapping weapons to increase your damage. ninja bike knees cover to cover or vaulting would refill your magazine and either smartcover swapping weapons refilled your magazine,b ut never been free reloads

plus i think there's some odd mechanic someone mentioned way up above about starting your lmg reload swapping weapons cuts the time down somehow? think i've tried i can't get the timing so i gave up and just wait for the full reload 😹

[shy willow]

Centurion mag size buff reloads your gun but you have to switch weapons to do it so it's moot for big al

[cerulean smelt]

ahh ok 😹

[rich cosmos]

No all exotics have the same stats

Its just the percentage that changes and for weapons the second attribute

[sharp folio]

I didn't say anything about stats...? Did you read what I say?

[shy willow]

A godrolled exotic gear piece would be every stat maxed

[hushed forge]

Trying to choose which one to grind

[shy willow]

Attributes are fixed on gear (excluding Acosta knees) so

[cerulean smelt]

third you mean?

[shy willow]

The one with overdogs

[sharp folio]

I meant that I was talking about it dropping from anniversary cache as bonus item

[rich cosmos]

Bleh

[rich cosmos]

We are discussing the first part of the sentence

[sharp folio]

Kind of confusing when you ping different message

[versed summit]

the second one. the other's are legitimately not worth it.

[hushed forge]

All 3 seemed game breakingly strong in the videos. Like the armor build hit 3m per shot and the first one keeps talents alive with weapon swaps

[shy willow]

Welcome to divtube

Most build showcases you see are not reliable whatsoever and manipulated in some way(s)

[hushed forge]

Oh

[shy willow]

Especially because we have ambush on rn so they're gonna leverage the massive damage amp and claim it's the build

[versed summit]

afaik, Centurion is exploiting unintended behavior, so while you're not going to get banned for it I see no reason to use it or recommend it.

The 3rd build is just meh. if you want more survivability, just take the palisade chest instead of Equalizer, and you'll get more damage out of Overdogs.

[onyx sage]

just for context, a striker with vigi and perfect glass cannon hits with 4mil+ with the event on with big al

so you need a lot of context to know if their builds are good, but ironically if you already have the context you wouldn't need to watch these videos xD

[versed summit]

oh yeah forgot to mention the clickbait that is this event... everything is looking better

[hushed forge]

Just hard to know what to grind for as new player. Would you personally go for the overdogs as long term pve build

[versed summit]

yes. 100%

[vernal wing]

Overdogs + Equalizer + Striker covers everything in the game almost

[onyx sage]

just know that depending on your skill level your build will change slightly as well, you don't have to stick with one "long term", maybe you want more damage in some situations

[onyx sage]

for this one though, you're not gonna hit 60% chc which you really want to hit on TS

actually you can, i forgot mods :p

needs 1 chc 2 chd mods

all TS pieces must have chc

[hushed forge]

I think I need to complete brooklyn to get that left skill to give me damage boost

[onyx sage]

you don't really need it

[versed summit]

tbh for general play, I'd recommend something else. it's nice to get when you can though

[cerulean smelt]

i was excited for it, but i rarely use it

[shy willow]

On paper the thing is completely busted but in practice it's quite niche

[copper yarrow]

What's the Centurion exploit

[versed summit]

yeah the uptime vs cooldown is rough, so you're not really relying on it, and if you're playing not attached to cover, which is often optimal, you don't get anything from it :/

[versed summit]

don't know exactly and don't care

[cerulean smelt]

exploits aren't suitable for discussion on this server

[junior lagoon]

is there any pve build that use catharsis ? (solo)

[cerulean smelt]

far as i know. non existant beyond using it in PvP

[junior lagoon]

that is what i thought

[shy willow]

For raids yeah but everywhere else no

[junior lagoon]

i was hoping one to increase survivabilty in brooklyn heroic retals

and thought about the mask

[versed summit]

memento probably makes more sense for what you want

you can also use Catharsis in some PFE DPS hybrids, but those are for specific scenarios.

[sharp folio]

How do I unlock sticky bomb ability btw?

[cerulean smelt]

fire is in new york, emp i think a legacy manhunt?

explosive i think you spend those shd tech things you pick up through out dc/wony

[sharp folio]

I have no idea how to unlock legacy manhunt lol

[sharp folio]

Also do you perhaps are referring to the crate in new york in the church?

[smoky latch]

Press M to open your map, go to Manhunt tab, bottom left shows Legacy Manhunt

[cerulean smelt]

those small brief cases you collect with a phoenix symbol on it

[sharp folio]

No no, there's a crate in the church in wony map that costs shd tech

[cerulean smelt]

don't recall, but waht you use to buy that you'd goto the quartermaster and see a bunch of things you can unlock with those currrencies

[dusky edge]

Faye Lau manhunt should give you a sticky bomb variant I think.

[cerulean smelt]

sounds familiar thanks

[sharp folio]

Also you sure there's one? I don't see it in quartermaster

[vernal wing]

Is the Strega even useful anymore? Have not heard it mentioned once

[smoky latch]

It's decent imo

[cerulean smelt]

don't remember i just know the fire is in new york, Tryphoony aid faye lau manhunt sounds familiar but which one no clue could be the emp

think hwen it first came out was decent but i think it got nerfed a tad

[sharp folio]

And which legacy manhunt would it be?

[cerulean smelt]

i'm feeling Camp White Oak?

[sharp folio]

Gonna check it

[vernal wing]

Does it have a niche or just an okay assault rifle?

[smoky latch]

Kinda niche but try this

#ask-td2-community message

[cerulean smelt]

is it an assault rifle? here i was thinking it was one of the only auto firing rifle before they all got that treatment 😹

[burnt bone]

So if I just want a shotgun as a secondary if enemies get too close and they’re stinky, how does the sheriff perform?

[cerulean smelt]

before if you were in cover the reticle would be huge. but out of cover it'd be tiny