td2-build-advice

[solar sable]

well, it's basically the same thing I said

here, a real situation, I can see my decoy and shoot him but he cannot see me nor shoot me

that's the basics of LoS in play
if you do it correctly you can avoid getting hit a lot less than if you were vaulting or in cover

@copper yarrow

[mighty frost]

I level 13 rn what I should do any tips

[solar sable]

dont worry about anything until youre lvl40

[mighty frost]

Thank you

[copper yarrow]

When I try this I get a red dot lol

Guess I need to suck less

[solar sable]

youre too close to the cover object

you gotta move backwards until you can shoot but cant be seen

[copper yarrow]

Got it. I will try. Thank you man

[lunar bear]

hello can anyone help me with my build iam new and i wanna ask some qui

[solar sable]

are you lvl40 yet? if no dont worry about builds

[lunar bear]

iam 63

[solar sable]

you shall ask 😆

[lunar bear]

can i sent u in dm ?

[solar sable]

please ask here, you may also get help from other people who know the stuff

[lunar bear]

is it ok to share pic here or not ?

[solar sable]

yes

[lunar bear]

iam sorry to ask but i have alot i dont understand so thx for ur hellping in advance

first thing / after i finish the bblue jobs what i have to play ?

also is the tier 1 better than 10 or i have to put lvl 40 things instade of tier 1 to 10

[subtle bluff]

If you go to the Pinned Messages > Sheet 2 > Build Hub > Search Farm Guide
that'll get your started.

[digital kettle]

im noob i know xD this is what im rocking has been working for a long time. Eb is new gun got it from christmas event anything i need to improver or ????

[subtle bluff]

Don't use EB. The MG5 if that has CHC on it use that.
You want a chest with obliterate or the named UA one for P. obliterate. Then Overdog over Coyote.

[strong cave]

That's not always true. It's the angle at which you're peeking

I personally hug the wall and slowly inch out until my dot disappears. Or, depending on the surface or angle, I can fully shoot thru a wall or force my gun to wrap the bullets around the wall. If I really need to pinch down on an angle, I will back up and move more behind the wall until I get a very nasty pixel peek and genuinely can't be seen. Playing PVP or doing Legendary content with glass cannon all red will teach you quickly how to do so

Playing with a small micro-dot in the center of your screen will also improve aim because you can use the micro dot to put your shot on target before you even ADS. It also helps with knowing when and when you can't shoot (as you said, you have a red dot saying you can't shoot. This should help that)

[jolly knot]

yall got any rifle builds

[strong cave]

@jolly knot

3 Zwi, Fox's knees, Overdogs, Ceska. Everything CHC+CHD

Additionally OD + Tinkerer + Ceska Vigi is a great rifle build as well. Helps the team too

@jolly knot

Backpack talent can be Vigi or unstoppable. Up to your preference

[jolly knot]

i do not have tinkerer 😭

[burnt bone]

I just got chameleon, is that an ok AR 👀 can I use that instead of continuing to fruitlessly farm for st elmos

[onyx sage]

i can take u through if u want 👀

[onyx sage]

you should just craft a mid police m4 and use it instead tbh

[burnt bone]

oh really

rip ill stick with my famas then

[smoky latch]

FAMAS has a hefty recoil tho, farm for another AR that can be used in mid-long range smoothly

Unless you're you use Striker's which has some WH

[burnt bone]

wait thats so funny, the mini reflex sight sits differently on top of the regular m4 vs the replica (crafted)

looks way better on the crafted, i was honestly avoiding the m4 because i thought it was bugged

[stone python]

A lucky Agent on Reddit got Unicorns.

[slate wedge]

Obliterate not the best choice tbh

[grand girder]

Glass cannon on top 💯

[magic pilot]

Not even Midmax

[burnt bone]

Not even what

[grand girder]

I believe he meant minmax

[burnt bone]

That was my guess

But they edited the message so they were very sure ;-;

[magic pilot]

Nah I'm on mobile it doesn't know

[mint musk]

gods, been gone for 2 years and i'm returning player.. and first thing i need to do is clean the inventory shudders in horror

any tip is welcome tho

[solar sable]

unlike others, I find this useful so I'll add it to my organic data base

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?tab=t.0

@mint musk

Don't scrap items in your inventory, put them in library first then expertise, then scrap

Those are my tips

[mint musk]

thanks

you mention library, where do i access taht?

[magic pilot]

you can find it through inventory menus. im booting game rn

[grand girder]

open your inventory then hit the M key and it should be the first one on the left

[mint musk]

thanks

[strong cave]

It's incredibly useful. I even have enough confidence to claim it will improve your aim

I play significantly worse without it

[steep wedge]

Should I aim for DTTOC for my bluescreen or crit chance? Runing TS with Overdogs + Equal

[solar sable]

lmgs always come with dtoc
With TS you need to hit the 60% CHC cap so there's your answer

[steep wedge]

Understood. I have it with max roll CHC and without it I won't hit cap so ty.

[steel vale]

What is the best dmg but tanky build and what pieces would I need

[subtle bluff]

HB+chest , Memento and Ceska. High rpm weapon with LLP

A build is as good as the users.

[steel vale]

What targeted gear would I need to do mb bro I’m just getting back into this

[subtle bluff]

Mb?

To do mb.. Like to do my bad?

[young crown]

just missing commas xD
Target farm Heartbreaker set if ur missing any pieces, ceska for filler piece, and memento would be backpacks or doing retaliations for the crafting blueprint instead

[steel vale]

Okay thank you bro

[copper yarrow]

Can you please share a video of your doing this if possible

[steel vale]

Should I do countdown on challenging to get all pieces or on heroic, would heroic give me better rolls on the pieces

[young crown]

countdown challenging will be for heartbreaker pieces + ceska, memento is an exotic backpack so it'll be hard to drop

u could do countdown challenging for the memento too but expect it to take a while if u do, rng is rng

[steel vale]

Okay gotchu

[copper yarrow]

Also what do you mean by playing with a micro dot

[subtle bluff]

Crosshair overlay.

[subtle bluff]

Pie a corner.

[copper yarrow]

Oh okay. Which one do you recommend

[copper yarrow]

Not sure if I understand that lol

[subtle bluff]

Don't ask me. I barely started using one.

[subtle bluff]

Doomz has a pic of it.

You're onlu showing as much as you need to shoot the target you want.

[copper yarrow]

Okay I think I get it now

[strong cave]

give me a moment and ill share the link. literally just got home from work

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3256420/Simple_Sight__Crosshair_Overlay/

I swear by Simple Sight. you can draw any crosshairs you want. completely for free. its also got its own windows gamebar app which allows you to simply pin an overlay. gamebar app isnt needed tho

[smoky latch]

Any advantages over Crosshair X?

Or just that it's free?

[gentle lichen]

X runs a lot of bloat processes when all it really should do is paint an overlay of a crosshair

[smoky latch]

Hm, should not be an issue for performance on modern PCs. I just use X for ages and haven't had a reason to try an alternative

[strong cave]

its free and you can draw any crosshair

dont have to pay for shit just to use any crosshair you want with this, unlike crosshair X

[smoky latch]

For X you pay for the app, no side costs or subs. If it gets on sale it's a nice grab. But if the one you suggested is free it'll do the job for sure

[strong cave]

paying 5 dollars for an overlay is just not it when theres way better free alternatives

[smoky latch]

I might give that one you suggested a try tho, just to try something new

[smoky latch]

5,751.1 hrs on record lol

[hexed steppe]

Back in the day, we just used a sharpie

[smoky latch]

😂

I hope it wasn't a water resistant one tho

[subtle bluff]

Seriously!

[hexed steppe]

Yes

[smoky latch]

Sheesh

[gentle lichen]

Duct tape incase you only had a non-removable sharpie

[hexed steppe]

You can remove with alcohol anyways

[smoky latch]

Nowadays monitors come with some pre-set crosshairs, you don't even need an extra software

[smoky latch]

True, on a glass screen

[gentle lichen]

They're so buns 💔

[smoky latch]

They look like ESP crosshairs, ngl

[hexed steppe]

Could always just use a small piece of scotch tape with a dot too.

We had creative solutions for problems back in the day.

[smoky latch]

🥲

Got that in green too, but a simple green and red dot are the better options

[smoky latch]

Makes you feel like a predator, lol

[hexed steppe]

Sharpie dot way less intrusive

[smoky latch]

Hahahaha

I'm not sure I ever tried that myself

[hexed steppe]

Well gramps started on c64 , appleII , and atari👴

[smoky latch]

That's some experience right there

[hexed steppe]

Its an old solution from when none of the aftermarket stuff existed

[copper yarrow]

Thank you mate

[hexed steppe]

But it worked well

[smoky latch]

For sure

[strong cave]

or you could simply use a dry erase marker, mark over the sharpie, and erase the dry-erase marker

@copper yarrow really awful example as I have not played PVE in a good moment. Let alone any video games really. but yeah this is basically how you pixel peek

get closer when you need, back up when you need. super easy. s i g h t l i n e s

[runic rapids]

@subtle bluff whats damage to toc?

[smoky latch]

Damage to targets out of cover

[runic rapids]

awesome.

[hexed steppe]

solid

[last schooner]

Fox prayers > Turmoil on Lengmo Pesti build?

[subtle bluff]

Turmoil if you're trying to go faster but it will mess up your focus damge.

[last schooner]

why is DTH no meta on LMG? everything has health? or is it because CHC and ROF always makes a difference?

[subtle bluff]

First off numbers. DTTooC and CHC number are bigger first off.

There value is bigger on that too.

RoF always rasies DPS but not if other values are higher.

DTA/DTH aren't always on and only work within that HP pool %.

[last schooner]

for AR striker is Equaliser + Salvo good, or Equal + overdogs always optimal?

[subtle bluff]

P. Oblit is why it's on top since it's now 24% TWD.
Overdogs cuz 30% amp

that almost any weapon

[last schooner]

overdog doesn't boost Pesti? is that why it's not used for lengmo build?

[subtle bluff]

Salvo sure is good too.

Overdogs is a source amp. It amp anything from you.

It 100% used in all pesti builds.

[last schooner]

so 3 pc lengmo, GC chest, OD and fox/turmoil

[subtle bluff]

It's explained in the pesti guide.

[last schooner]

oh you're right haha. I misread

[runic rapids]

where do i get overdogs from anyway?

[subtle bluff]

Target gloves or Retal hyenas

[onyx sage]

this isn't regarding lmg but more so on shotgun/mmr/pistol but dth won't proc whenever you one-shot kill something that has armor. even if you have to deplete their health it's not actually used

this makes dth even more niche, but within its niche it is very strong, like being more effective towards chungas, dogs and armor plates in general

[last schooner]

wtf so DTH has no amp dmg against chungas or reds?

[onyx sage]

armor != armor plate

[runic rapids]

so back to count down then?

[onyx sage]

chungas and dogs have armor plates but not armor

[last schooner]

ah ok yeah so it doesn't affect the white armor bars

[onyx sage]

?

no self promo

[subtle bluff]

This is self promo you can't do that.

So either delete or it'll get delete.

[soft acorn]

its just showing what this build can do and the build

[runic rapids]

short test subject and overdogs now. abosutely loving this set though

[subtle bluff]

#rules
Don't show it in YouTube format then

[onyx sage]

this server doesn't let anyone post their own youtube links

[smoky latch]

Just show a screenshot of you God build

[soft acorn]

ok that stupid

[runic rapids]

thats normal. i dont think im in a server that doesnt have a no self promo rule. and im in several 100 servers now.

[subtle bluff]

This is how you show videos. But also this is a build advice and you're context it just a link...

[soft acorn]

its no promo just showing what and how it works and the build

[subtle bluff]

You don't need test subject.
Get Crit gear mods when you have a chance but you're pretty close

Glad you like it

[runic rapids]

oh good. i have the guard for extra regen when the drone is done.

[subtle bluff]

Capa does more DMG overall for you.

[runic rapids]

since it uses smg ammo it also doubles the ammo

[soft acorn]

he i do not care , if this is the rule than not

[runic rapids]

i wouldnt brag about knowingly and intentionally breaking the rules. but thats just me.

[coral reef]

Im looking for an excellent rifle build, I want that satysfying sound BLAM BLAM BLAM on the battlefield. No Diamondback please, dont like the look

[subtle bluff]

OD is my rifle

[coral reef]

Just classic OD?

[subtle bluff]

Ya same thing.

[coral reef]

Thanks, im on it right now! What is your prefered rifle?

[subtle bluff]

Dunno

[broken edge]

UIC should be a good one

very hard hitting with big mag

[wispy hollow]

Or MDR

[broken edge]

MDR is quite weak, it just fires really fast with low recoil

when using OD you want a balance of power to magazine size

less about rof

so UIC with some stability magazine should be honestly be great to hit enemies on the head non stop, add the basic OD buff on top of it and should be a lot of raw damage

[subtle bluff]

I've used them all. TBF Rifle is about fun at that rate since it's not great.

W/e feel good to you works.

[copper yarrow]

sweeet. Thank you so much man!

[misty walrus]

which type of brand set tends to drop skill damage atribute for extraction?

[subtle bluff]

None.

[reef needle]

Im new and i want to run a tanky build tried heartbreak with memento but i don’t like it that much mostly because of the weapon since i don’t have a lexington, do you think guys that the backfire hazpro is good to run with a backpack with bloodsucker ?

[subtle bluff]

You don't need lex...
BF hazpro doesn't make you tanky.

[subtle bluff]

A build pure itself will not carry thru this game (despite YouTubers click bait)

[reef needle]

And so what can i run for a good build with enough survivability and dmg ?

[subtle bluff]

Really HB is the best at that.

But also the striker works too.

[reef needle]

Striker with blue core ?

[subtle bluff]

Some players do it...

This is red Strikers with memento.

[mighty kettle]

Backfire build with blue core strikers and momento. I run turmoil knee pads

[subtle bluff]

I'd assume he's a new player and doesn't have turmoil.. But also turmoil for new players can be a trap.

[reef needle]

I dont have turmoil

[mighty kettle]

Can run anything else with chd and chd then like ceska knees

[subtle bluff]

No it's not use Striker chest.

[reef needle]

For the backfire striker blue core you use hazpro ?

[buoyant perch]

No

[strong cave]

I personally run three lengmo, ceska chest with obliterate, one piece Petrov and overdogs exotic gloves

You can easily just go glass Cannon and vigilance

[magic pilot]

We don't use blue cores either

[tropic mauve]

Any advice on this build? What would you change?

[mighty kettle]

I do, I run as a tank build with a shield and have almost 0 downtime

[smoky latch]

Chest piece. Either Česká with Obliterate or the Equalizer chest. Weapons are your choice but I'd look for a faster firing LMG and an AR

[coral reef]

Yeah I cooked and optimized a rifle build and i'm getting 3.5 million damage per shot with a UIC rifle. But that rate of fire... I love the sound though BAM BAM BAM BAM

[nimble grotto]

Since coming back from a long break, I feel like I’m learning the game all over again. Question regarding the damage perk “damage to targets out of cover”. It seems like that perk is top tier. Is it better to recalibrate/tinker and add that perk to a weapon OR just wait for a weapon to drop with that perk already on it?

[onyx sage]

it's usually better for it to drop already on the gun, so that if the game gives you better talents later on you can always recalibrate the talent

[strong cave]

and allows you to expertise a weapon and still have a hot-swappable talent without making the gun entirely too niche

[hearty owl]

dien is sooo smart..

[misty walrus]

I'd like some advice for this skll build

[smoky latch]

Get rid of Waveform, swap it with a Hana-U chest with Kinetic Momentum maybe

If you like the increased armor repair from the Refactor chest then swap another Refactor piece to Hana-U

[misty walrus]

You mean the Flak Jacket?

[smoky latch]

I have no clue about item names, I just go by brand/gear set names

[misty walrus]

Thanks, i'll check it out

[smoky latch]

I edited my post to make it clear what I meant ^^

[subtle bluff]

Here if you'd like

[misty walrus]

Thanks mate😁

[copper yarrow]

What's the best shotgun for a HHF build? Thorn/Like glue with perfect brazen or other shotgun with Brazen?

[smoky latch]

Slow firing, manual reload archetypes

[onyx sage]

m870, spas, ksg are best ones

[fiery gust]

I think the M870 ones are top picks? Or they were if I'm not mistaken.

[smoky latch]

Packs the most punch per shot. Like the Custom M870

[onyx sage]

m870 is best pick because of extra mod slots you can put to tighten the spread, with them the spread is second only to double barrel

spas/thorn are actually the best damage but has worse spread, in real use you just land less pellets than m870 making it not worth using, you don't need high damage as much as landing enough pellets

[smoky latch]

Good point, didn't consider that as much

[onyx sage]

if you just like more rounds then ksg has the most

[subtle bluff]

That's me since my aim so avg I can't hit heads!

[onyx sage]

rip gif

[subtle bluff]

God Damnit.

[solar sable]

chow got patched

[solar sable]

uhm I think ☝️ 🤓 that's a skill issue

[onyx sage]

nah, i have a bigger skill issue of shooting explosive backpacks

[hearty owl]

I love that Chow gif so much bro

it’s a true 🥀 moment

[burnt bone]

Just got a random pestilence drop in warlords, is that any good? I saw it doesn’t synergize with OD but is it an ok weapon besides that?

[subtle bluff]

Answered in a different server.

[burnt bone]

Thank you <3

[burnt bone]

Is concentrated company new? Or just not widely used (don’t see any setups for it besides the pestilence one)

[subtle bluff]

CoCo is new. It just synergizes well with it more than others.

[magic pilot]

New and not that widely used yet. Pretty strong set though

[strong cave]

ho-lee shit

bro isnt even fully optimized either I'm seeing plenty of rolls that are not maxed out

[copper yarrow]

Is the scanner pulse cointed as status effect?

[strong cave]

no

[copper yarrow]

Oof

[burnt bone]

Banshee is tho

[copper yarrow]

Man OD set is pretty strong but falls off so bad when I have to fight dogs or mini tanks

[solar sable]

hoo lee reference?

[tidal bloom]

How does one acquire burning ash or broken shd watches ?

[solar sable]

completing Retaliations

[karmic zodiac]

Would hotshot gear set or aces be better for a mantis build?

[subtle bluff]

Hotshot. Aces8 is pretty bad.

[magic pilot]

tbf they are all super close but yea

it hits hard and i didnt bother dumping watch points into it yet. plus my smart cover has no expertise and that adds dmg i believe

[last schooner]

ok, how do I gain stacks with CoCo? I finished 4 man Lego DUA and I seem to maintain full stacks...but now I'm playing solo CP4 on heroic and I can't even gain 2 stakcs

I thought its killing anything I tag?

[subtle bluff]

Allies help make stacks in mark guys.

[last schooner]

so lengmo pesti is stronger unless i can get full coco stacks?

[wispy hollow]

Correct but its easy to get stacks. Either play with your seasonal ally or throw out a turret. Both put marks on enemies and you kill them (or vice versa)

[subtle bluff]

You don't need full coco stacks to bypass lengmo.

[burnt bone]

So is it not possible to gain stacks without skills or seasonal ally while solo? IE can you mark enemies by shooting them

[subtle bluff]

No... Ugh.

I should fix the formatting of this.

[last schooner]

The way I read it, you shoot mob, mark mob, kill marked mob to gain stacks.

[subtle bluff]

You hit something makes a mark for 7s.
If the mark is hit by you or another source makes stacks on the mark. Aka your skills or allies.
Then if mark dies you get those stacks.

[last schooner]

However I am finding it hard to gain more then 10 stacks at any time.

[subtle bluff]

It's not the best worded.

[last schooner]

when solo

[subtle bluff]

Ya I get it.

[last schooner]

I was surprised though, in legendary I seem to be melting people pretty well

[subtle bluff]

It shares the same issues with TS AND strikers but at different rate.

It works decently in leggo.

Like good but cannot carry due to its peak DPS.

[onyx sage]

that's why 9/10 dentists recommend negotiator's dilemma

[subtle bluff]

........

[onyx sage]

Negotiator's Dilemma. It just works™.

[shy willow]

16x the dps

[gilded rapids]

hello guys, i am back form long time on the division 2. i have this one for dps but super old build. what build pve is better now? i see the bighorn is good? any advice?

[burnt bone]

I should farm a Nego set 🤔

[burnt bone]

I’m sorry 😞

[last schooner]

is HHF > 3pc IA, Chainkiller, punchdrunk and The Gift for a harvest build?

[buoyant perch]

it's better in terms of qol, CC & AOK

[last schooner]

QOL?

[solar sable]

Quality of Life

[magic pilot]

High end is better for specific Strats because of DCH

[last schooner]

sorry what's DCH?

[solar sable]

Dodge City Holster, the cowboy looking one

[wispy hollow]

With the introduction of Overdogs, is running Tinkerer with Killer/Sadist on LMG's the best for OD or running OD with Overdogs & Sadist better now ?

[subtle bluff]

So I haven't tested Overdogs with normal LMG I tried with Carnage and forgot how much I hated it.
Trinkerer just is easier to play with in the end.

[solar sable]

would OD be set up in an L shape for Overdogs? I think I can try and see it's numbers... Also, Carnage or regular MG5 with Sadist for this test?

[subtle bluff]

Yea. Do both. I can do the math later.

[solar sable]

alrighty

[copper yarrow]

If an ad is killed due to the turmoil dmg transfer, will it trigger the unstoppable force talent

[subtle bluff]

unstoppable force

what's the exactly wording?

[solar sable]

without the m

@subtle bluff this is not fully optimized with MK246* Overdogs

MG5 Sadist

that's... wow.

[subtle bluff]

Wait what..

[solar sable]

Let me take it to the field and actually test overdogs

this is the builb

OH SHIT THATS NOT CARNAGE LMAOOOOO

[subtle bluff]

I was gonna say..

[solar sable]

edited it

[subtle bluff]

246

[solar sable]

yeah sorry I was distracted and concentrated at the same time

[onyx sage]

distracted company

disco

[subtle bluff]

@versed summit we've let dien cook too much....

[onyx sage]

hey I'm not the one who wrote mk246

[solar sable]

me not likey chc...

why is it so godddamn low

extremely low chc does this shit

[runic rapids]

why is chc over 60% bad btw? i keep seeing people say dont go over 60%

[runic rapids]

so you cant have more then 60%?

[subtle bluff]

You can't that right. So if you math it 60 that's will add up.

[runic rapids]

lol that build tool thingo.

with my current 30% crit. and 0% head shots Capacitor is crazy powerful.

[subtle bluff]

TBH I haven't check if that been updated correctly

[runic rapids]

im sure it hasnt. a few things are missing.

[subtle bluff]

Pretty sure it's not factoring the talents it's only weapon base WD and Crit

[runic rapids]

heres when it was last updated.

[subtle bluff]

No that stuff is there. Clear your Local DB inside of issues.

Ya we don't touch the change log

[runic rapids]

is the watch chc factored into the 60%? if so really you only need 50% chc since watch is 10% of your total correct?

[subtle bluff]

uh?

What your stats say, it's that.

Just ensure that the correct hand is in hand.

[hazy steeple]

The watch's 10% chc and 20% chd are listed in your stats page, yes.

[subtle bluff]

Thanks that spun me

[runic rapids]

rip my chc is only 30.8%

[subtle bluff]

Can you SS your build atm?

[subtle bluff]

You just need farm more CHC mods.

[runic rapids]

this is what i have chc wise. need to get overdogs still. no dice so far.

[subtle bluff]

Ya you're find

[runic rapids]

got like 3 gloves just not that one.

[subtle bluff]

has you get more stuff you'll see your TTK lower.

oh for overdogs ya it takes some time.

[runic rapids]

i maxed skill damage last night. nearly maxed ammo cap. and armour.

[subtle bluff]

Keep farming it'll take sometime. Max out your library for the other stats while your at it.

[runic rapids]

library is going great! only missing about ~15 stats now.

after i pull stats i just donate all the junk. so ive gotten 6 expertise levels in about 3 days of play.

[raven pecan]

Can someone help with this? I can’t create a new loadout

[subtle bluff]

Post this in #ask-td2-community we're builds here.

@coral reef and anyone else I update and fixed the Pesti DPS chart.

[copper yarrow]

I feel like turmoil works nicely with pesti, because of the dmg split I get more time to build pesti stacks on a single target

[raven pecan]

Any tips?

[subtle bluff]

Yes works well like that but Turmoil is still can be trap for new players or players in general.

[subtle bluff]

overdogs instead of coyotes and any weapon with +790 rpm with Killer for solo play.

[raven pecan]

Thanks man best way to get over dogs?

[subtle bluff]

Retal hyena

[raven pecan]

And what mask would you recommend instead?

[subtle bluff]

Ceska

[raven pecan]

So not striker and sacrifice the 4+ ?

[subtle bluff]

uh?

[raven pecan]

If I have ceska mask and overdog gloves I’ll only have 3 striker pieces on and won’t get the buffs from having 4 striker pieces

[subtle bluff]

....

I said Overdogs instead of Coyote.

[raven pecan]

Isn’t iverdogs gloves?

[subtle bluff]

Yes...

Switch them out for each other

When you ask for mask you asking for if I don't have Overdogs?

Or with Overdogs? You kind left that in the air..

[raven pecan]

I asked what mask instead of coyote you said ceska as in out over dog gloves on.. right? And then I asked if it was worth only having 3 striker pieces on which would be holster backpack and knee pads

As I have the equaliser chest on

[subtle bluff]

4pc striker overdog, p. oblit

weapon with killer

[raven pecan]

okay cheers

[subtle bluff]

this

[raven pecan]

Oh I see I thought you said ceska mask instead but you meant out strikers on mask and iverdogs as gloves and everything else stay same

[strong cave]

Overdogs with a normal LMG does help, but it's better for AR type weapons that have a higher damage rate and fire rate VS an LMG

You are 100% right though that tinkerer on LMGs are more versatile bc the LMG talent pool includes majority of the AR talents. LMGs also have incredibly strong talents as well, such as Frenzy or Unhinged or so. AR's don't have those kinds of talents, so ODogs works best on ARs

[copper yarrow]

why so?

[strong cave]

It cuts your damage in half for 1 single target and spreads it to 2 others at random within a certain distance. While you'll technically be dealing "more damage" by having it spread, you'll be doing less singular target damage. On Negotiator Builds, it's an immediate nerf. On striker it nearly doubles your TTK. God forbid you need to kill 1 target that's about to kill you. Will take twice as long

They're only good in low difficulty content, if other people are running it, or strictly on Headhunter builds

[copper yarrow]

Hmm makes sense

And I tried it with nego but it sucked lol

But gotta say, it felt good with the HE pesti build with overdogs and turmoil

[strong cave]

Nego backpack transfers 112% CHD

Taking turmoil nerfs that by 50%

[patent fossil]

It can be good for speeding through easier content, eg solo heroic when you're shredding everything fast, saves on aiming time.

[burnt delta]

For ARs should I go 4 piece striker and then two piece Perfect Obliterate with the Equalizer chest piece? Or should I go with an exotic?

[kindred mango]

Equalizer with Overdogs is a nice combo

[burnt bone]

just built a nego set for the first time, this COOKS

I’m using st Elmo’s rn, which other weapons do you guys like?

[magic pilot]

MG5, police m4

[burnt bone]

Are dark zone loadouts hard to build? I want to try because it sounds fun but I’ve never done PvP ;-;

[onyx sage]

the pieces are harder to grind for

most of them are pieces that drop with red cores, but you want more armor generally, so you want them to have correct substats so you can recore to armor

[burnt bone]

I see 🤔 and is there a specific DZ build or is it more just generally the PvP ones?

[onyx sage]

pvp has dz and conflict and they're usually different due to conflict disabling the shd watch buffs and expertise

u should ask down in #td2-pvp-discussions

[burnt bone]

Oh gotcha

[junior lagoon]

apparently there is an emperor's guard with chc on countdown vendor, if anyone is interested

[slate wedge]

sadly chc isn’t great on them

[junior lagoon]

shame.

[next dawn]

i would rather have haz pro or skill attributes

[indigo perch]

What substats would be preferred for a shd skill based Con-Company build using The Capacitor? Just Chc to 60 and Chd? Which chestpiece + talent would be best?

[slate wedge]

you want HazProt or Headshot Damage, nothing else

[slate wedge]

can you show the build, can’t answer with the given information

[next dawn]

good for you

[magic pilot]

Chc till as close to 60 as possible, rest into chd

[magic pilot]

Yea good for you pal

[slate wedge]

giving advice here lmao

what would you even use it for with skill attributes?

[magic pilot]

My drone turret regen build

[next dawn]

refactor

[magic pilot]

Refactor chest and bp are pretty bad, giving up a better chest or bp for 1% regen is certainly a choice

[onyx sage]

doesn't even make sense

[slate wedge]

but why? what’s the point of using Emperor’s Guard on that?

[onyx sage]

the set already is regen

just use your skills

[magic pilot]

Or if you want 1% more regen.... belstone chest or bp

[slate wedge]

if you really really want that 1% you’re way better off just using a belstone chest or backpack

[slate wedge]

jinxed

[coral reef]

Is there a way to make True Patriot viable in a group? I love fireworks

[next dawn]

I dont? is just an option

[magic pilot]

Full red, use the backpack. Other 2 slots run PGC or equalizer+overdogs

[slate wedge]

it really isn’t, Emperor’s only use case is a Tank Regen build

[onyx sage]

yeah i use it on my yellow striker

like what the hell lol

[magic pilot]

The min maxed IH tank doesnt even use emp unless you have 13% PFE mods

[next dawn]

tbh i wont even use it for a tank regen build

[magic pilot]

Well ig fieser tank does

[coral reef]

Is any good LMG the best option here right?

[magic pilot]

Lmg or AR yea

[slate wedge]

it is worth it tho, especially on PvP Bighorn Regen

[next dawn]

imo not really I rather skip out on it

[slate wedge]

good for you

[next dawn]

thank you good for me indeed

[magic pilot]

I prefer matador over emp

[next dawn]

100%

[slate wedge]

this with Emperor’s is great as well

[magic pilot]

Yea that version I run with emp

[slate wedge]

yeah good for you pal

[magic pilot]

Belstone holster looks so weird to me

If you told me 4 years ago I'd be using a regen BH build I would have laughed

[onyx sage]

"Aegis is a good gear set" is my next title

[slate wedge]

you running Everyday Carrier?

[magic pilot]

I think belstone gloves

Golan holster

[coral reef]

"mom said its my turn to kill" pose

[buoyant perch]

Is this your channel? Big fan bro!

[smoky latch]

lol

[hazy steeple]

@buoyant perch Hey now, no need for that kinda language.

[copper yarrow]

is there any use for memento on a full red build?

[cloud sluice]

How would I boost tick damage on a Pestilence build? 🤔

[subtle bluff]

There's a guides in the build hub.

[smoky latch]

Yes, Striker's for instance for a little survivability

[subtle bluff]

One of the best solo build period.

[junior lagoon]

I use it in my stirker build

[copper yarrow]

Obliterate/GC ?

[junior lagoon]

Yes obliterate on chest ( mine is fenris)

Used to have ceska

[subtle bluff]

Why Fenris?

[subtle bluff]

It's not really lil...

[solar sable]

I bet your CHC is hurting

[junior lagoon]

Yes it does

[kindred mango]

Ye I would have kept the Ceska

[junior lagoon]

15 percent assault weapon damage is not bad but yeah i could not get the good roll on ceska

Because i needed to put unbreakable on ceska

[kindred mango]

Equalizer works too

[astral kraken]

Not GC. GC will negate any benefits that memento is giving you. If you're going GC just go full red with Striker backpack.

[wispy hollow]

4 piece striker, Memento bp, Equalizer or Ceska chest with Obliterate

[onyx sage]

normally i would troll but yeah i wouldn't use gc and memento together, they don't really belong on the same build

[kindred mango]

Ehhh I’m no goat but I don’t mind that pair

regen is always good

[onyx sage]

obliterate is basically the same value, and you go after the regen because you wanted it

[kindred mango]

Don’t have to stack up GC tho, not that it’s hard to get Oblit going

I trust your math hehe

[onyx sage]

you just take a mag or less to stack up obli

the drawback of obli is it has less value if you use vigi as well but since we're not, it maintains full value

[kindred mango]

Fair. I still like the 3% regen

In a full group forget it though

[strong cave]

15? My guy I'm pretty sure it's 10

[kindred mango]

I will have to bust out the calculator lol

[strong cave]

Ceska > Fenris

[junior lagoon]

yep, 10 percent

normally yes but my ceska rolls were bad

[strong cave]

Define "bad"

[junior lagoon]

it is diffiult to get obliterate, 15 percent wepaon and 2 crit on it when you can only change one

for example its weapon damage is 12 percent

crti chance 4.5 percent

[strong cave]

You can just farm for Ceska oblit with only 1 crit roll and swap in for a second crit. Would yield you quicker results. Farm for double crit later when you don't 100% need it

[kindred mango]

Ideally you want double crit so you can change talent to whatever

[strong cave]

Usually yes, but for quick efficiency I'd recommend just trying to find a Ceska chest with Oblit + 1 crit roll. You can farm that double crit later. It's better to get the build done quicker than it is to chase unicorns and spend days trying to complete a build when you could complete it quicker with a placeholder and get the other piece later

[steel vale]

What’s the best build to do damage and be tanky?

[junior lagoon]

the more tanky you are the less damage you do

so you gotta choose where you want to be on the scae

[steel vale]

Oh okay what about the most dmg

[junior lagoon]

then full red dps. there is a pinned build examples on this channel

red striker would be easiest to build

it comes with natural red core so easy to farm

there are tons of variations you can enjoy

[strong cave]

He's right. Additionally, You can take a couple blues on striker if you do want some survivability. Max I'd say is 2 blues. ODogs will carry you to hitting like all red. If you need more survivability use Exodus gloves

[subtle bluff]

that and Memento

[strong cave]

Yup! That too. In groups don't take Memento tho

[subtle bluff]

my saying now is it's not a build that will just carry you good gameplay really helps.

[strong cave]

This bigtime. Chow you should've seen my girlfriend and I's random matchmaking experience yesterday on DUA

I went down nearly 9 times, died nearly 4 times. Ended up with over a billion damage, 106 kills. It was sad

[subtle bluff]

believe itttt

[strong cave]

I recorded the whole thing too

It was 🫣😬

[subtle bluff]

I've been try harding my HHF in DUA RMM in a few section

hehe

[strong cave]

It was so bad I had to force myself to fight 2 spawns at once

Nobody would shoot the grenadiers and drone ops. Nor the snipers. Nobody would shoot the chunga gatling chains

Nobody would shoot the dogs weak points

When I say I did basically everything (with some help from the girl), I really put in the work 💀 was so pissed at the end

[wispy hollow]

Wasnt it better to have left early rather than subject yourself to it ?

[subtle bluff]

it's the worst. Blue Nego is my go to now

[subtle bluff]

nah we like to challenge ourselvees.

We get to save some of the best clips

[wispy hollow]

At least thats a plus

[subtle bluff]

That reactions when the DUA boss just dies and everyone is just like WTF

[onyx sage]

i just stopped tryharding

retiring is my favorite activity

[subtle bluff]

It's my turn

but what would your wife say, sir?

[onyx sage]

my wife says i should duo zoo with a real person

[versed summit]

Sure beats guard duty

[junior lagoon]

in a pfe build do you prefer 55 chc and 250k health or 40 chc and 500 health and some armore generation

both pfe 80

[subtle bluff]

I mean there a few of us that don't have even have armor cores on PFE build..

and do more work than most "tank" players.

[versed summit]

Depends what I'm doing ig. More damage is probably better

[junior lagoon]

lets say heroic retaliation

[subtle bluff]

you don't need PFE for heroic imo

Memento is all you need.

[versed summit]

Not for retaliations at least

[junior lagoon]

ok heroic countdown

[subtle bluff]

even less

[strong cave]

I would've had it not been for 3/4 of the way thru

[versed summit]

Only reason to use PFE is for hunters and rogues. 99% of other content doesn't have enough elites for it to actually make sense

[strong cave]

I've already burnt like 25m into it may as well finish it

[versed summit]

Retaliations are timed, so you really want to have enough damage, more than survivability

[junior lagoon]

good points

legendary strongholds?

[versed summit]

Not recommended

[wispy hollow]

Just go OD tinkerer double LMG on both Retaliation and Countdown. You dont need any other build.

[versed summit]

Its nice for tidal boss if you know how to use it

[onyx sage]

tidal boss or master missions are the only places i'd consider pfe

[junior lagoon]

yeah but i die. i am not that good. so i aws hoping pfe would help me to offset my poor play by increasing survivability

[wispy hollow]

PFE isnt for that. Otherwise everyone would be running that. Its a bit situational

[onyx sage]

you also make stuff die slower. you can try it but eventually you'll find that you die more from there being too many things alive rather than you not having enough armor

[junior lagoon]

yeah so pfe is not the answer

[versed summit]

Memento, a few blue cores, and a shield will do this best for most content. Solo its reasonable, even if you're killing slowly, but it won't work in groups. You really need damage in groups, or to bring some sort of support.

[junior lagoon]

i dont play groups other than countdown so not a problem.

[thin terrace]

I'm not a fan of tanks in legendaries. BUT I had this idea with overcharge from MA, and built a... heal-tank. Two pieces RK, 3 pieces MA (chest) + Ninjabikers. Every 25 seconds, 15 seconds overcharge = 750k active shield regen + heal hive with 600k heals a drone for the team. Tanked Arena in a team of 3, and Capitol today - I think it works. Is anyone doing something similar?

[strong cave]

Ninjabike is an immediate nerf

[versed summit]

to DPS builds* it can have a place elsewhere

[versed summit]

the problem with tanking is that there's no inherent value in being able to taking damage, because if you're not dealing damage the enemies barely care.

it's nice that you also provide support, but because you've invested in tanking, you're doing less than an MA build focused on healing or damage support would do.

[strong cave]

You'd be better off taking 4 piece measured (bag included), BTSU gloves, and Alps chest with empathic

[versed summit]

MA chest then Hermano for backpack isn't a bad idea either

[strong cave]

Could even go 4 piece measured with the chest and run Perf Opp and BTSU

[wispy hollow]

The only real tank was D3 in Div 1 and even that dealt a lot of damage while tanking stuff. Outside of that, tanks are very very niche and situational

[strong cave]

Haven't had too much time to play with that idea. I usually go MA bag for the constant uptime of cancelling skills (especially in Leggo with drone ops)

It changes the cooldown to literally 1 second lol

[versed summit]

threat existed in D1 in a measurable way AFAIK, so that helped

[wispy hollow]

I have also seen people run Birdies backpack, dont know how useful is that

[strong cave]

Birdies is acceptable but if and only if your team goes down. I mean, sure for hive efficiency but can easily just use BTSU for that

[versed summit]

ok? I'm saying full MA is better.

Birdies works best on FI IMO, its just a tossup with how bad, or maybe aggressive, your team is. In a perfect world BTSU is better

yeah I jsut changed it

I don't understand your point

no one has any experience with Red Aegis either, and I think that speaks volumes

[silent storm]

I had a Red Aegis and it was bad

[subtle bluff]

I have experience wit a build that Support "Tanks"

[versed summit]

I knew there was gonnna be some buster who'd tried it

no.

[silent storm]

The RDMG isn't enough to make it worthwhile

[versed summit]

you think "no." about my opinion?

fair.

what value are you getting out of tanking on MA vs just using it traditionally?

[subtle bluff]

Should I post the uppies?

[silent storm]

puppies?

[wispy hollow]

Uppies*

[strong cave]

I tried it with EB once as well. Straight up booty cheeks

[silent storm]

I had EB on myine as well

[strong cave]

I guess we're both busters. Maybe we should use our bus tokens

[silent storm]

It should synergize right? Nope it does not

[strong cave]

Pockets ain't empty, cuz

[silent storm]

Now, yellow CoCo is what I am currently working on

[strong cave]

I gave up with Coco. The stacks either work, or they dont

Red Lengmo is harder to get but honestly easier to use. Way less annoying

Can't imagine the annoyance on a yellow capacitor type one

[subtle bluff]

Only reason I use CoCo is for some parts of Masters and Leggo I like it more.

[strong cave]

I'd just go tipping at that rate. Basically the same top end damage

[subtle bluff]

Rather go Mericless CoCo..... which honestly probably isn't that bad in some ways..

[strong cave]

Chow just humor me and try my ravvy build 🙏 please I won't stop begging until you do

Day 400 something of begging

[silent storm]

Merciless CoCo could be really good at max stacks

[subtle bluff]

NOPE

[strong cave]

Gimme a solid reason why 👊

Guys, jump him if his excuse is trash

[subtle bluff]

I really hate using and counting shots and shoulders.

Like even for razorback I mess it up all the time.

[strong cave]

Funny enough I don't count my shots. I wait until the meter is full then do a quick pop, shoot until health bar disappears, repeat

Plus it's literally only 5 shots, assuming you don't miss any of them (10 bullets since it shoots 2x per 1 trigger pull). Swap shoulders, enemy is near dead, swap right back and do the same thing. Rarely if ever will you need to count shots. Scorpio is worse compared to ravvy for shot counting

With how pinpoint accurate the build is, missing is fairly hard too

Ah, fuhgetaboutit, I can't convince you 😞

[indigo perch]

Thanks
Was wondering why you chose the Sacrifice as the chest piece. Wouldn't that result in a lot of two shots whenever you pop your head out in legendary?
What do you think about using Beacon instead? Are there other alternatives?

[subtle bluff]

It provides the most dmg output out of everything. You shootings faster and kill before they shoot you.
Beacon doesn't give a big buff as others. You can run Ceska GC.
The idea of Hybriding you want everything to be doing dmg not just your gun or just your skills.

I am speaking has a builder not for reflex build in general.

[grand girder]

With CoCo it's likely you're playing in a group so that is less likely to get dropped like that aswell

Plus glass is amp, and amp is strong asfff

[wispy hollow]

Bluescreen go brrrttttt

[solar sable]

@hexed steppe

[strong cave]

Nah, quicker results with @broken edge

[grand girder]

@bobsburgers

[astral kraken]

I have an experience with that. My experience is that when people run MA or MA-tank then the run gets harder and more annoying. But saying anything to those people is pointless because they're stubborn and refuse to learn.

[strong cave]

@deeznutshagoteem

[solar sable]

sir this is a Wendy's

[strong cave]

Rip vine... Those were the days

[astral kraken]

vine started it all

[grand girder]

and I'm sitting there

[solar sable]

are you in love with the cocoa?

[strong cave]

Hello, welcome to Wendy's. Would you like to try our new tender combo?

[grand girder]

Just hate that the big creators got money hungry and basically forced the shutdown

rip vine big bro you will be missed

[astral kraken]

you lost me lol

[broken edge]

@pure marsh is the right answer

[solar sable]

whyyyyy

[strong cave]

I meant that you'd be quicker to knock out that cryp post VS local since local isn't around as much as you are

[grand girder]

tbh I don't like how modmail wants me to add an app, why cant i just message it bruh? other div server is perfectly fine with it

[subtle bluff]

You just DM and it works

[hazy steeple]

@grand girder If it's that big of a deal, you can DM me.

[grand girder]

nah it aint a big deal, just cant be bothered lmao

[strong cave]

Yeah when other servers use ModMail it's very picky about how it works

It's not a great tool compared to other ticketing systems. Ran plenty of servers myself and found that to be the least effective

[subtle bluff]

Moving on

[strong cave]

So chow, let's talk about ravenous

😂

[thin terrace]

sounds like a bad story, do you write for the game?

[strong cave]

He of all people would definitely know what's worth taking, what isn't, and what would work even if it's niche. Played with him using a blue/yellow decoy aegis build and while it was weird, it worked, but the group is very dependant. A bad build works fine with good players. A good build can do bad if the players are also bad

[grand girder]

hmmm lets add to the difficulty scaling while providing next to no help whatsoever, what a great build! woooo

[subtle bluff]

Tanks at there finest.

[subtle bluff]

Why does he need to write for the game?

[subtle bluff]

Elaborate on this then plz

[grand girder]

ahh yes a guy who runs legendary RMM all the time clearly has no idea what its like and needs to make up a story, tanks provide literally no help whatsoever in legendary

if you think otherwise you are just bad at legendary lmao

[thin terrace]

That blue striker. xD This is when I leave.

[strong cave]

Can confirm. Twice I've random matchmade with him

What's so bad about blue striker tho? Depends on how many blues

[thin terrace]

Jesus, you guys are useless. The question whether the build was useful or not is not the point. I ran the legendaries with fewer people, successfully. If I ever want to talk about Striker I"ll contact you, lol.

[strong cave]

I mean, sure a clear is a clear. But there's too many factors that go into clearing. Teammates being a big one

[grand girder]

You asked for peoples experiences, got told some and then immediately claim they are made up? like bro its clear no one can convince you that your opinion might have some flaws

[subtle bluff]

Let's looks around. Looking the others players we can reference that they are 6 Blue core builds with that many armors.
When we lookst this players armor it's a lot less meaning it's not blue strikers.

[grand girder]

like the jokes right themselves lmao

[strong cave]

That striker armor bar looking crisp rn

That's maybe what, 2 blues with expertise?

You'll still hit like near red with ODogs

[subtle bluff]

I mean it's possible he had that. A build doesn't carry anyone thru the game a build, gameplay and knowledge is what makes a complete build and player.

[strong cave]

Give any player a good build, doesn't mean they'll do good with it. Knowing is everything

[subtle bluff]

You can see there's no overdogs.

[strong cave]

I see a modifier instead of anything and tbh I never watched the video. I'm on data rn

[thin terrace]

Could we try English?

[subtle bluff]

I suck at it. being bilingual and dyslexic doesn't help me.

[hazy steeple]

@thin terrace Tone it down.

[thin terrace]

Me neither. But I'm having a hard time grasping your point. 6 blue cores didn't help them?

[subtle bluff]

Yup that.

[thin terrace]

Ok

[strong cave]

6 blues at best means you delay an inevitable death

[thin terrace]

Well, that 'critique' assumes you know what I'm doing with my build and you don't.

[subtle bluff]

I mean 6 blue cores just because you want the armor doesn't help that much. Now if you're using the cores for other things then that's where they can do something.

I am not critique you really just showing something.

[strong cave]

We haven't even seen the build, have we?

[grand girder]

Kill the group before they can kill yours? nahhhh, I'll survive solo while making it harder for my 1/2/3 tm8s and then call them bad for dying

[strong cave]

So how could we know if we haven't even seen it

[subtle bluff]

I don't even know what going on here other than you've said Tank MA.

[thin terrace]

Good talk.

[strong cave]

💀

[subtle bluff]

If you mean support MA and you happen to have blue cores and are doing stuff that affects the battlefield in a meanful way that good!

[subtle bluff]

I mean I am kind of talking to but also just throwing stuff out there. Since you're not really talking back in a sense.

[strong cave]

The flaw with running multiple blues on measured assembly is you get your tiers back with each ally in hive or cover proximity. Well, you're hoping and praying people even utilize any of that stuff

Most run around and don't bother with cover. Let alone stay in hive range

[subtle bluff]

I'd like to know what going on really hence replying to you but you don't seem want to share. If you don't want to then that's fine just can just say that I'm done here.

[strong cave]

Chow, if you're blocked you're blocked my guy. I know I am

[subtle bluff]

I'm chillin either way. I am just curious.

[thin terrace]

I was asking for experiences of people who have played MA tank. I just built one (not a fan of tanks regularly for precisely the reason people have shared) but managed to make a heal hybrid with 750k shield regen and 600k heal from the hive. Tanked the last two legendaries and it made some situations way smoother.

[strong cave]

Crowd control: 🥲

FOAM!

But genuinely I'd love to see a pic of the build

[subtle bluff]

AH got it.
Is a tank or just has blue cores on a MA build?
The reason we don't use to word tank here because we can't really tank in Div2 since agro/threat isn't a thing that can be controlled.

[strong cave]

My decoy aegis build says otherwise. Right, @astral kraken ?

[subtle bluff]

I have mentioned above for having experince on a unqine "Tank" build.
For some reference this is an old Support Tank build:

oops Decoy and Rev Hive are the skills.

This build will heal teammates, help pull some agro/relieve some of it , kill off red/purple ads and always keep itself and others up.

[thin terrace]

Mosquito is there, but you're right, generally it's bad. It's 5 yellow cores and 3 blue? I need one ally in the hive to get to 6 for the hive and overcharge.

Not sure about the cores yet. But tanking the chungas and the boss in overcharge doesn't move the shield health.

And controlling the chungas and the boss, especially in arena, was very effective.

[subtle bluff]

The better way is just just crossbow them

then they die really quick when your team knows a plates off.

[strong cave]

Just just

chow don't kill me

[thin terrace]

Ok, thank you.

That was precisely my question.

[subtle bluff]

Again, the best of builds in leggo are the build and players that affect the battlefield the most.

[thin terrace]

Take care.

[subtle bluff]

Context helps. yup.

[shy willow]

My 2 cents is MA isn't bad it's just outclassed by FI

Idk where the tanking comes into it tho

[thin terrace]

It's generally an option for every possible skill. Since you can force overcharge every 25 seconds.

[subtle bluff]

I get the concept of what he's trying to do.

[thin terrace]

I'm doing a cc version too.

[subtle bluff]

CC is great but on LFG it'll burn out Chems quickly generally.

[versed summit]

IMO it gives more safety than FI, but a good chunk less damage. It's niche.

[subtle bluff]

He is doing the concept of keeping OC up. Which the build I posted does 2 ways.

[shy willow]

yeah being able to nuke drones and such is nice

[strong cave]

It really is. Even funnier when used in the Incursion. Lovebirds call for their kid, kid spontaneously dies

[strong cave]

Empathic resolve does bring back some of that damage. Albeit not 25% like FI but at least empathic has a bit more uptime if only maybe 13-15% buff

Pretty sure to get that full FI buff the healer needs to be at full armor or you yourself have to be. Can't quite remember, haven't been playing FI lately

[versed summit]

No its per individual

So if you're at full health you get FI buff

[strong cave]

I figured that was the case 💯 couldn't 100% remember off the top of my head

[astral kraken]

How does it makes things smoother?

[strong cave]

All I know is:

Shoot > big number > dopamine

[shy willow]

real

[astral kraken]

This game is pretty old now and legendary missions are pretty much solved at this point. Me and others have ran these missions thousands of times and seen almost every build people have cooked up. MA and MA with blue cores is nothing new. It's bad. The only reason it's pointed out is so that new players don't get mislead. I personally don't care what you run.

If there's some super secret hidden play style that no one has ever thought of please do share. Otherwise we have to assume it's the standard case of you thinking it's good because your teammates are doing all the work.

[shy willow]

im usually relegated to support duty involuntarily just purely because most pugs i match into die on their own

ep and fi my babies

[astral kraken]

Both of those tend to make things worse if the team can't handle it.

There's no point in foaming things that people don't shoot. You EMP'd the dogs? Great, no one is shooting them anyway.

[subtle bluff]

He's doing skill shield OC.

[shy willow]

its not usually the dps its just that people play like john rambo

and if it is im gone like the wind

[astral kraken]

FI doesn't help with that because you can't outheal enemy damage. If your teammates actually are ramboing then they'll get health gated in 1 second and dead the next.

Teammates are in 1 of 3 states: taking full damage, taking no damage, and taking chip damage. FI only helps with chip damage. If they're taking no damage you're doing nothing. If they're taking full damage they'll die anyway.

[shy willow]

true

[last schooner]

is Battery Back junk?

15% cool down seems weak,

[subtle bluff]

I have one saved.

[last schooner]

Anarchist Cookbook? I can't see how that's useful.

Might as well run a red core BP with wicked

if I do want to keep one, I want one with status and skill dmg?

[subtle bluff]

That's P. Wicked right?

If so ya it's not worth.

[last schooner]

anyone done the maths on 3pc Lengmo + 3 pc TS?

guess 30% amp from OD > 60% LMG dmg

[subtle bluff]

Losing Overdogs is the reason we don't do it.

Oh don't use OD for overdogs since we have OD for Ongoing

[last schooner]

ahh OK

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/mNk-qwZL35M?si=nC_jYoOYEXslK1kW

Sorry for late reply was working, this should cover any questions of glass cannon

[magic pilot]

In groups I don't even use turret, precision Smart Cover and decoy usually

[onyx sage]

also, with proper positioning you don't really take damage while still being able to shoot back, or have good strategies to deal with enemies as they come. all the legos and masters can be done with gc

[strong cave]

Video coming soon on my YT showcasing exactly what it looks like when 1 person does all the work with the stats at the end

Problem is my recording has some glitches and fragmenting in it. Will have to edit around those

[lavish gulch]

What would be the best build to bring to Conflict? I usually go for for yellow builds so im a bit lost on what would be best for red builds centered on pvp.

[buoyant perch]

#td2-pvp-discussions for pvp builds

[ashen scarab]

Bro is looking for build advice, the channel is for all build advice lol

[solar sable]

It seems like someone isn't around here very often

[onyx sage]

in real use this channel has been mostly for pve, the pvp discussions are just a different sphere and people there may know the answer more

no one's stopped from giving pvp advice here, it's just the pvp folks basically never come here to answer lol

[lavish gulch]

My b didn’t even notice the pvp discussion channel

[solar sable]

it's not your fault actually

[fossil crag]

come on in the water is warm. no not over there someone tinkledover there hahahah

[gentle lichen]

you could run this and the cores are highly flexible to what you're comfortable with could do 4 blues or go yellow and focus on skills while still doing tons of damage

skills are variable to what you want but go for offensive skills like explosive sticky if youre going yellow

[proper wave]

making a red true patriot AR build, which is better: CeskaObli or Equalizer

[slate wedge]

depends on the rest of the build

[proper wave]

overdogs and 4 true patriots

[slate wedge]

the probably ceska because you’ll struggle with getting 60% chc

[subtle bluff]

🤢 TP... If you want to do it for fun sure. Otherwise it's not good at all.

[magic pilot]

Equalizer

[proper wave]

I am just collecting builds at this point 😶

[stone python]

Critical Chance Emperor's Guard at the countdown vendor.

[ruby bobcat]

So I wanna build a damage build, I have no clue on how to build at all in this game if anyone could like teach me a little that would be amazing 🙂

[solar sable]

Starters Guide

[ruby bobcat]

Thx im gonna try and learn that stuff 🙂 might take me a while to learn lol

[solar sable]

Digest it at your own pace, take it easy

[copper yarrow]

Any tips on playing with Nego? Transitioning to it after playing a lot of strikers, and I feel I'm getting killed more often

[cerulean smelt]

mark 2 targets, then focus on 1 high health target and watch the other 2 die?

[silent storm]

Is Vile still broken?

[astral kraken]

Try it with Bluescreen. The CC from Bluescreen will take some aggro off of you. With Nego you'll take more heat than with Striker.

[silent storm]

? I take way more heat on Striker

[astral kraken]

Skill issue

[silent storm]

I go into rooms and don't even fire until someone else and they still send all the drones after me

[astral kraken]

You should try to be first in the room so you can control it

For example start on drones first or throw decoy then focus on drones

[silent storm]

I been using EMP Pulse because of it, works pretty good

I wish you could EMP Remote Pulse and then throw it at the drone operators hiding in the back

[astral kraken]

If drones have a chance to run into the back, take cover, and start spamming then something went very wrong

That should never happen or at least be rare

Usually it's b/c everyone is fighting from as far back as possible

[silent storm]

That is how most Blue Core Applyers play

What is the best Status Effect to build around, Fire still?

[astral kraken]

if damage then yea it's fire

[silent storm]

Still the best CC or naa?

[astral kraken]

foam is best for cc

you can combine them though. like you can run foam and fire sticky.

[silent storm]

Foam procs Vile right?

[astral kraken]

yea. its not a lot of damage but it can be nice to finish off enemies on low health.

[silent storm]

More than a Grenade DMG every couple seconds though

Who is a Status Effect guru?

[subtle bluff]

Lil busy

But what's the question?

[silent storm]

Vile still broken?

Like not working properly

[subtle bluff]

Works fine

Should work find on the range

[silent storm]

Ok so Status Effects, is fire still the best DD CC or should I forgo Status and use Oxi? Can't Foam and Oxi so what is the best combe now for just straight up shutting down the enemy?

[subtle bluff]

Are you trying to do dmg or support CC?

[burnt dock]

cheeky craft xdddd

[subtle bluff]

We have guide btw

[silent storm]

Support CC mostly but with a bit of DMG

[subtle bluff]

Then you can use Fire Sticky

[burnt dock]

40 hours on countdown

[subtle bluff]

Foam is the main thing support skill for EP CC.

[silent storm]

Good for Legendary?

[subtle bluff]

I love use it for Master and Legendary

I call my self a support main but play more Dmg..

I like supporting and affect the battlefield.

[silent storm]

That is my main concern, I have all kinds of DPS I can DPS everything but sometimes Legendary MM has been bad with people so if I can just shut down the enemy then maybe bad teammates will be able to kill

[subtle bluff]

That's the right mindset for support!

But your team needs to not be scared of shooting

[silent storm]

It's not the lack of shooting, it's the lack of DMG lol

And when I come in Big D swinging then every enemy on the block is targeting me

[subtle bluff]

These aren't fixed builds but you can change them around.

These are just examples of what's used and what synergies well.

[silent storm]

What about with Cherished and The Courier

SO I can constantly apply SE and keep the enemy completely unable to attack?

[subtle bluff]

EP chest is really important for EP CC support

you're trying too much TBH. Keep simpler.

One Riot get your other Debuffs on it then ready to foam next spawn

There's a build with Courier in there too

[buoyant perch]

You run out of foam at some point

[silent storm]

That is my point

[subtle bluff]

I mean I don't ever now. You don't and shouldn't be spamming riot foam

All of this in the guide.. 😐

[shy willow]

its really hard to run out of foam

[silent storm]

Like I am not looking for a DMG CC I only care about always being able to shut down the enemy

[shy willow]

unless your team is completely hopeless

[silent storm]

It happens. A lot

[buoyant perch]

It's really easy to with a bad group lol

[subtle bluff]

That's what I was talking before Rowdy. Your team needs to keep up

and not be scared of shooting... I don't run EP in RMM almost ever

Due a lot of peole just hiding too much and not focusing what's shootable.

[silent storm]

I mean I play PGC and still run out and shoot in the open, yet those with 4-6 Blues are hiding in the back like what?

[subtle bluff]

......

Are you trying to support or trying to do DMG?

[silent storm]

I'm just saying

I want a build for when things are hopeless and the enemy is overwhelming me so I can shut it all down

[subtle bluff]

You do not use PGC on a support build. Refactor is really the only thing used in this context.

The chest is super important to keep things locked down.

This is my best support build. I've carried-ish group with this.

Since it is CC, healing and boosting DMG.

Setup and Scorpio do work.

If it's group Sledgehammer is always good too

[silent storm]

You have seen my builds you know how I play, but sometimes you need to slow it down for the less inclined so they can finish

[subtle bluff]

but you're supporting now...

[silent storm]

Well not yet as I still need to build the set

I am in the farming stage of support

Got the FI Setup build but sometimes healing isn't whats needed

Sometimes you just need to stop the enemy from shooting lol

[subtle bluff]

You can run Foam on FI.

I know this well....

[onyx sage]

you can heal on EP with the hive, or foam on FI. it depends on the situation

[silent storm]

Is Pulse a Status Effect that is effected by Status Effect Attribute?

[buoyant perch]

dps prevents that from happening in the first place

[shy willow]

No

Some pulses apply status effect but pulse itself is not

[silent storm]

Not when you are the only one in something like the top of the carrier

That's just a good way to get everything targeting you and not being able to do DPS because 30 things are shooting you

[buoyant perch]

just gotta practice, otherwise a refractor build like Chow recommended is better than CC to carry a bad group

[silent storm]

Yeah I have a Refactor build that is pretty good.

But I don't want to have to move it off the character it is on

I want a different build

Point is, I need to use different skills so I can get to EX Lv30

[subtle bluff]

Main toon has only FI on but that's because of strats need it. My other toon is full of support builds.

Me being able to support better is also because I've DPS so much with bad groups I know where things needs to push and need help with.

[silent storm]

Yeah I don't know if more people are playing now or what is happening but I have been in a bunch of groups lately where people are getting cosmetic gear and the quality of players isn't really bad but not as good as it used to be in MM. Like the other day we finished a Legendary Roosevelt where I had 120+ kills and the rest had less than 40. And I joined in after the first room.

Was there a sale recently or something?

And it has been multiple times where people are getting armor and the cosmetic

[nimble moss]

There was a sale 2 or 3 weeks ago actually yeh xd

[silent storm]

Lots of lower level SHD in the Courtyard now as well

[atomic turtle]

Anyone here happen to know any really good all-purpose shotgun builds? Preferably for the harder hitting ones like SPAS/KSG/Enforcer/M870?

Want to play around more with the beefy shotguns instead of the spammy ones.

[solar sable]

fiftys put this together, I kinda liked it although I run 3 blues instead of four

[atomic turtle]

Is that Liquid Engineer and Ammo Dump?

[silent storm]

They are PvP players

[atomic turtle]

Oof. This won't do me much good, then. I've never played PvP on Division 2.

[solar sable]

yup, idk about ammo dump but he said that instead of Liquid Engineer you can use a second Badger piece as bag

[solar sable]

it's for pve, I've tried it in Lincoln and it was nice

[atomic turtle]

I guess I could give it a shot. Has to be Ammo Dump. It's the only Badger piece with 3 minor attributes, afaik.

[solar sable]

which one is Ammo Dump? I'm curious as I didn't know it was a thing

[atomic turtle]

The holster with the +10% ammo capacity.

[shy willow]

one of the field research reward things

[solar sable]

nah, you don't need the mag size with Pummel

[subtle bluff]

HF Ceska Intim and AD. Rush BP always works

[atomic turtle]

It's just Ammo Capacity, not mag size.

[cerulean smelt]

magazine size and ammo capacity are 2 different things though?

[subtle bluff]

You don't need that ammo..

[solar sable]

oh wait you guys are right
my apologies dear friends

[shy willow]

i think its just a normal badger piece with ammo tacked on

[subtle bluff]

I have HF Shotgun video clip some where

[shy willow]

but you could probably swap pieces around to slot other items in

[atomic turtle]

I'm open to more beefy shotgun build ideas if anyone's got any.

[subtle bluff]

I just said one..

[atomic turtle]

Yeah, I saw Chow.

[subtle bluff]

Shotguns is more of playstyle vs build.

[atomic turtle]

Just asking for more.

[cerulean smelt]

patience young agent, mrchow will set you up when they find it

[subtle bluff]

Just gonna go make a clip

Since I don't have one saved

HB, Trinkerer Shotgun too

[atomic turtle]

Bouta see Chow pop-off.

[cerulean smelt]

you gotta make room for the new stuff 😹

[subtle bluff]

Yeah I moved a build or 2 off of my main

[cerulean smelt]

i'd imagine if anyone else gives you a shotgun build it'd be nearly identical to Mrchows with maybe 1 or 2 pieces to call it their build

[shy willow]

youre funneled into a mix of damage and sustain which leaves you with high end, HB and HF

[cerulean smelt]

@subtle bluff you going to give the new sheriff a shot when you can get it next week? apparently they "buffed" it?

[atomic turtle]

Well, the one I've always used was HF Int Ceska + Memento with Scorpio and Mop w/Brazen.
That's my main build. Has been for years. I love the run and gun style, but lately have been wanting to use something a bit more beefy than Scorpio and the SIX12.

[subtle bluff]

I mean I already tested now to run it in groups.

[atomic turtle]

Just have this irrational itch to blow holes with big ooga booga damage to head.

[cerulean smelt]

gonna use that in the Global event?

[atomic turtle]

Uhhh maybe, lmao

[cerulean smelt]

instead of a green mist we'll be getting red mist 😻

[atomic turtle]

I genuinely thought it would be closer to what Halo Reach had where headshots spawned flying hearts.

[cerulean smelt]

i honestly would love that or even better if they reanimate them with red hearts spining around their heads and follow you as a temp companion 😹

[atomic turtle]

Now imagine if PvP had the same mechanics. Gotta headshot every player before they auto rez with +50% bonus armor and damage mitigation for 10 seconds.

[cerulean smelt]

nah, too abusive to do that honestly

[subtle bluff]

Meh short enough

On Master soo... Idk.. 😐

[atomic turtle]

"Idk" he says. You're slaughtering them, lmfao

It's good though. That's exactly what I'd like to do. Just run around and kill people with a boomstick.

What makes you apprehensive about the build specifically?

[subtle bluff]

Trying to do this whole section

It's rather hard on a CQB build when there soo muc space

[atomic turtle]

That's fair, I guess. Running from Target A to B to C can be the most annoying part in open areas.

But I'm used to that for the most part.

[subtle bluff]

I've trying to figure out what's a better thing to run heroic mission are easy in sense.

[atomic turtle]

Like I said, I'm looking for something that's "all-purpose."

If it doesn't shine in some cases, that's fine.

I expect that there are areas of the game that favor other builds more.

I just don't want a build that's going to backfire on me. So as long as it doesn't have niche reqs or is a pain to use, I'm cool with it.

[solar sable]

The one I sent you just requires you killing constantly to keep bonus armor and thus Intimidate active, Pummel too

[atomic turtle]

Yeah, that's gonna be a lot stronger in tight spaces.

[subtle bluff]

Then HB?

[atomic turtle]

I used to run something similar before HF was even a thought bubble in some Dev's head.

[subtle bluff]

Or wait for Sheriff.

[silent storm]

Matador H-K is nice

[atomic turtle]

Btw, how would you tweak the build with Tinkerer? Just HF backpack instead?

[subtle bluff]

All Purpose shotgun build isn't really a thing.. tho..

HB Chest, Vig BP

[solar sable]

Hype knows, Chow, also mentioned that if it isn't all purpose then it's fine

[subtle bluff]

brazen ACS and Pummel KSG or M870

[silent storm]

The problem with SG is the scaling

[subtle bluff]

sorry what?

[silent storm]

What works solo is booty cheeks in 4 man

[subtle bluff]

Gottta be more specific

I just ran it thru master solo......

[silent storm]

Takes more shells to kill

[atomic turtle]

When I say "all-purpose" what I really mean is that I can use the build in a majority of cases. A generalized build. Not that it can handle EVERY encounter reliably.

[silent storm]

yeah, solo

[solar sable]

I'm guessing Open World maybe?

[silent storm]

Use it in 4 man

[subtle bluff]

4 man heroic ok

[silent storm]

Heroic is not Master

[subtle bluff]

You're saying 4 man