td2-build-advice

[shy willow]

rest in pieces model 700

been farming the hell out of legendaries on div1 pretty excited for the strike GE

hit a wall with div2 but i should try that tempest manhunt sometime

[strong cave]

I need to finally get around to actually leveling at least to 30 on that. Just for survival. But work and playing private GTA with cheats with the girlyfriend has been way too much of a vibe lately

[astral kraken]

eh, not really. it has a higher base so if you're optimizing for first shot damage (like in hff) then model 700 is better.

[strong cave]

Was just about to say Model 700 had slightly higher base

[shy willow]

handling sucksss compared tho doesnt it

[astral kraken]

white death just has more hsd so it scales higher with chainkiller

eh if you practice its fine

[shy willow]

you can play survival at any point after you unlock the terminal!

[strong cave]

I think he's talking about how the gun has the shot jump mechanic in it. I personally hate that a ton

[strong cave]

I heard that other agents will be level 30

[shy willow]

nahh its a descent type deal you get stripped of everything and everyone is on an even playing field

[strong cave]

Damn I'll have to log on this weekend and maybe actually record clips of me trying it. Show y'all how clueless I'll be 😂

I started with 2 and eventually went back to try 1

[shy willow]

its truly something special itll be good

[shy willow]

same tbh and now I love both

[strong cave]

Survivors needs to just hurry up a bit 🙏 the hype for me is starting to die off like it's GTA 6

[shy willow]

to keep this on topic is urban lookout worth running on HH

im pretty behind on meta

[strong cave]

Worth it if you're looking to meme

[subtle bluff]

I was coming up with a better HSD oxi build for courtyard. Looks like the way to go.

[magic pilot]

Yea it's old

[slate wedge]

why always streamline? aren’t there better talents for Snipers?

[subtle bluff]

We use Streamline in HHF for leggo HH stacking quick

[slate wedge]

i get that but on a normal sniper build you kinda want to use skills

[shy willow]

for speeds you run an oxi build that can do gun damage?

back when i was trying to get good times meta seemed to be 2 dps 2 oxi

[subtle bluff]

2 HH, 1 oxi, Red FI

[shy willow]

woah

i didnt even think you could headhunt the incursion ads are so tanky

[subtle bluff]

Red FI is just a runner really.

It use to be done with DCH HH.

[shy willow]

rightt

[slate wedge]

can oneshot the purple ads without stacks if you get OC’d Scanner Pulse, Vigi and Diamondback buff

[subtle bluff]

you need exp amount on diamond

[slate wedge]

if you get FI buff too 12 should be enough

[shy willow]

so many hoops😭

[subtle bluff]

40s courtyard

[slate wedge]

already hyped for Sheriff

[shy willow]

interested to see that thing in action

on paper it looks like the super90 took pure colombian

[subtle bluff]

right?!

I'll probably try for a different WR when it come out. It's too hard to do what I want keeping quickstep

[subtle bluff]

@hexed steppe idea... idk if it's worth on heroic but on leggo maybe??
I tested the AMP works on mortar.

[slate wedge]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/VdqIGa66

i thought of this (Backpack can also be Vigi if this is too clunky)

[subtle bluff]

Overdogs for speed isn't ideal due to the gas tanks being on the lower tier. They'll be great for recovering.
Vigil is a interesting idea.

[slate wedge]

Build is for right side btw

[slate wedge]

which Gas tanks do you mean?

[subtle bluff]

the ones you have to oxi..

[slate wedge]

oh, do they count for overdogs?

well, doesn’t matter for first ads, only for chunga and engineer

[subtle bluff]

They're Skill Proxie

[subtle bluff]

Chunga is Teir 1

[slate wedge]

yeah exactly, he’ll never take the extra daamage

[tidal swan]

35-36* 😉

[subtle bluff]

I haven't sped with quickstep yet really idk anymore.

Only speeds I've done in not in 4's.

[tidal swan]

I/we haven't ran since the 5:35... but yea 35 was our gold courtyard but it was rare. I think on the WR it was 36/7

[strong cave]

The numbers, mason, what do they mean? 😵‍💫

[slate wedge]

i think our best yet was a 37, sheriff could gain like 1-2 seconds i think

[mighty kettle]

I could do with a few more seconds. Got like 15sec tops rn

[tidal swan]

37 is super solid... literally WR pace

[slate wedge]

usually it is around 40 tho

purple controller keeps ragebaiting

[tidal swan]

he does that 😄

what's your PB nowadays? (also sorry for OT... we can prob move to dm's or other channel for this)

[hexed steppe]

what else would you seriously use? streamline front loads damage and doesnt have any on-kill/on hit requirements, doesnt require a status be applied, doest require you to be ranged, doesnt require an enemy not target you. also note that i refuse to use determined anymore because it is broken and cheap af to use.

[hexed steppe]

ill have to try it later. what numbers were you hitting on this config

[subtle bluff]

I don't have the build. Never farmed for Grupo pieces. I tried with my HW I don't remember the exact numbers but 30% amp was noticeable.

[slate wedge]

5:58 i think

i choked our new PB yesterday

[slate wedge]

for one you could run Mantis but if you really want the Reg on that build then yeah Streamline is good, Behind you might be good, Sadist if you have an OD player with you

i still use Determined because it is so much easier to clear those pesty Retals with 3 noobs in your group when you judt run a Handbasket

[nimble moss]

Hey hello ! I got a question (kinda new player). I play a striker-around build (before with 4 strikers set and coyote mask, and now with ninjabike, equalizer, yellow names alloy hoster and 3 pieces of striker). I also play with st-ele. Almost everything is maxed in it, except a bit of damage out of cover on st-ele, which I'm working on. I don't struggle on retaliation, countdown or any heroic mission. But as soon as I get into a master mission (for example the one to get tinkerer mask), I'm getting almost oneshotted by all grenades shot lol. Not even talking about legendary, where it's worse. Should I get another build (open to anything that isn't sniper, pistol related, and is farmable, even exos), or is it because we really need a tank to aggro in there ? Or any build suggestion that could be better for those contents, even if I lost a bit of damage? I can't get consistenly in this content without being crushed by all explosives there lol

[hexed steppe]

obv reg is gonna be used. im not worrying about tinkering my rifle/mmr for every group comp. streamline covers everything, and if i use a skill i can just focus on reg till cooldown is done. the other mmr talents are meh at best. the rifle/mmr are usually openers anyways

[magic pilot]

I run shroud and a backup 1886 for mmr now

I don't mind scoped play

[tidal swan]

happens... I've choked some pretty spicy ones before 😄

[livid sorrel]

are you soloing them? theyre not really meant to be played alone unless you're incredibly cracked
your previous build would actually be better, the striker backpack is a big dmg boost(and ninjabike is not worth losing a backpack talent)

[nimble moss]

I don't ^^ I played with 2 friends and a random actually (talking about master mission here) but we didn't had a tank (capacitor and dps with myself). The problem was mostly anything grenade related, as dogs and snipers. Except that, I managed to do some things, but I died every single time I got grenaded lol.
Yeah I was not sure about the ninjabike. Had a feeling it was better at openworld for the little survavibility but worse at countdown, as countdown is kinda easy to stack.

[livid sorrel]

honestly at that level you will need meta builds and a lot of experience, assuming your friends are new too

[tidal swan]

you getting killed by nade/drone spam or anything for that matter is mostly down to your positioning and awareness.

But yea you could also make some changes to the build. I'm not sure how the NBB-salvo-equ-3striker compares math wise, but afaik a chest+backpack striker is still better.

Tho it depends on if you can keep the stacks up at 200~.

[livid sorrel]

equalizer chest would be easier to use

[tidal swan]

the only part "easier" is that you only need to hold 100 stacks instead of the faster decaying 200 with striker chest. Which I feel like I already mentioned(?)

[nimble moss]

Yup my mates are also new. Ok I see, I'll remove the ninjabike too then. I used to play striker's chest at the beginning of the game, but I struggled to maintain 200 stacks so I switched to equalizer. I'll try both then, maybe more chest in countdown and equalizer solo then.
Alright, well I'll keep farming and learning 😄 Thanks for your advices guys !

[green prism]

Hello, I would like to know where I can obtain the apartment

[ripe bronze]

is this build still valid for pve ? havent touched the game in a bit, trying to get back in to it

[hazy steeple]

@green prism The Aparetment is "DZ locked", which means that you can get it from there, Named Item caches, and the blueprint from Reconstructed Caches, within Descent+ crafted with Retaliation materials.

[versed summit]

If you replace that purple piece yeah

[slate wedge]

I’d go Equalizer + Overdogs + 4 Striker

[strong cave]

Doesn't it drop at Capital Building? Swear on my life I've seen it drop there a few times

Aparetment

Swear I've seen it as a completion reward occasionally as well there too. Can anybody else confirm this?

[patent fossil]

Not according to the pinned list of named item drops

[strong cave]

Ah is it somewhere else per chance?

[patent fossil]

#td2-build-advice message

[strong cave]

Was just reading that. Swear I've seen apartment drop from capital once

I wonder if somebody on YT or reddit has evidence of it. Lemme do a deep dive

Yup just found 1 piece of evidence around the time I noticed Apartment was dropping at Capitol -

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/1gj14rq/just_had_an_apartment_smg_drop_from_the_first/

[burnt bone]

Are any of these like. Super important to have

[strong cave]

Another yucky link but still, evidence-

https://youtu.be/bzViQB7CS14?si=3xmxnx6Qw-cc6-AJ

[patent fossil]

@magic pilot maybe the named item list needs updating slightly?

[strong cave]

It might. There IS a chance it was a bug. This is a year old piece of info

Would need to dedicate some time to farming capital and seeing if Apartment drops from there still

[patent fossil]

Not super important. White death is a common pick on sniper builds. Artists tool can be a useful backup on a skill build. Carnage is good for OD builds if not running Tinkerer

[burnt bone]

Sweet

And what does “LZ” mean on the spreadsheet?

For source

[strong cave]

LZ = Light Zone

DZ = Dark Zone

LZ is used as a term for "doesn't involve pvp", or a "non pvp zone"

[burnt bone]

Cool thanks yall

So LZ encompasses EVERYTHING non pvp?

[hazy steeple]

Basically, yeah.

[strong cave]

Pretty much

[hazy steeple]

Although most folks will be talking about Countdown/Retaliation for farming.

[onyx sage]

the list given by devs is incomplete. apartment has been known to drop from capitol randomly for quite a while now

[burnt bone]

Based

[hazy steeple]

@onyx sage Well, the spreadsheet is community run, so you know who to contact to update it.

[strong cave]

Majority of all the shit in division 2 we can get can basically be obtained by some form of farming Retaliation or Countdown. Obviously some exclusive items will stay exclusive to their parts

[strong cave]

Thank you sir 🙏 I knew I wasn't crazy

[burnt bone]

Haha I got to level 40 and have just been doing countdown for the past day or so

In any game I play I’m addicting to farming stuff for builds 🙏 🙏

[tawdry flare]

How good is 5.11 these days ?

[hazy steeple]

It gets a 5.11/11

not really, that's out of 100

[tawdry flare]

Hey Rivens

It's been a while

[burnt bone]

Which skill damage focused would yall say is the the most generally applicable? Turret/drone refactor?

[versed summit]

Thatd be it

[burnt bone]

Gracias

[magic pilot]

Yellow striker

[woeful zodiac]

That sounds wrong

[solar sable]

with capacitor it is good

[burnt bone]

How does that function diff from red striker 👀

[sweet pond]

Whelp

[magic pilot]

It has yellow cores

Usually with drone/turret if you want to keep it simple

[onyx sage]

change that rate of fire to swap speed and you're done

[magic pilot]

And add 30 expertise

[hazy steeple]

And a red paint job, to go even faster.

[sweet pond]

Blue, so its extra lucky

how do i get the tinkerer exotic mask?

[onyx sage]

the manager manhunt at potomac event center

[sweet pond]

Do I have to do it on master

[onyx sage]

master first completion guarantees the drop

[sweet pond]

so if i cant complete it on challanging its a skill issue

[onyx sage]

well...

without any further context like build and stuff i can't say anything

[onyx sage]

that looks fine

the model 700 is out of place though

[sweet pond]

oh I usualyl have an ac12 there, was messing with the 700, trying to build a 1 shot get some watch levles

[solar sable]

I wouldn't run acs if not using strikers chest, m870 with Brazen or if u wanna keep acs then that

[onyx sage]

you would use a different build if you want to one shot. for striker a good secondary can be a smg or acs as you said

[solar sable]

The entire concept of having an ACS-12 is to stack Strikers or if you have Lefty it is to proc Sledge on a boss since it applies to your teammates too. This does not mean that you have to run Strikers chest everywhere since it's not optimal.

[solar sable]

smg-9 ftw

[burnt bone]

Can I proc sledge with goo grenades

[patent fossil]

nope

[burnt bone]

Rip

Should I use a badly rolled equilizer (so I can only get max crit chance OR damage, other stat is blue or yellow) or a regular unit alloy chest with CHC, CHD, and obliterate?

[subtle bluff]

Both work

[burnt bone]

Hmmmm the equilizer actually has 4% more core WD as well 🤔

Whatever I’ll tank the CHC loss

Thanks

Btw do I need to hold the Kard custom out for the extra skill tier or is it always active?

[versed summit]

Needs to be held

[burnt bone]

Ah

[paper tinsel]

Should I make a new agent and boost that character to level 40 or should I boost my existing one?

[burnt bone]

Same for sledgehammer lefty?

[versed summit]

Once it's procced you can weapon swap

[burnt bone]

Cool thanks

[jade oracle]

Would an all red heartbreaker build be viable? Striker would out perform the damage but the bonus armor could add to survivability.

[versed summit]

I'd just boost another character in case you ever want to play through the one you started

[versed summit]

In practice the armor is pretty lackluster, and it just plays worse for various reasons.

[burnt bone]

Yeah the spreadsheet has one

Oh but idk about viability

[jade oracle]

What case would it be better over any other all red build? I would imagine strikers with 1 armor core would likely outperform it right?

I personally prefer a HE red builds to have consistent damage output but I don’t think anything really compares to strikers once ramped up.

[versed summit]

HB is close, so are ongoing directive and nego. There's definitely some builds worth checking out that you can find onnthe sheet.

[jade oracle]

Ok I have been looking at the sheet and definitely a big fan of ND. I have felt a bit squishy on strikers and was not maintaining stacks well so I was trying to think through someone that would be better for some friend that are new and would give them a better balance.

[hexed steppe]

Nego is very close to he red with the bonus talent of transfer

[jade oracle]

How well does nego do in group play? I feel like since transfer is limited to just me it would be better solo

[hexed steppe]

No its dope af in and group or solo

[strange magnet]

hi can i ask some think when we use with my friends coyote mask i can see the buff blue mark x2 on my screen but cant see the crit chan. and crit damage on my stats . ist that shows there we want to lower our crit chan to %40 and run 3x coyote mask to get %35 crit damage and crit chan. isnt that work like that ?

[hexed steppe]

Is also capable of out damage strikers in target rich environment if you keep marks up

Nego also breaks overdogs hierarchy letting high tier enemies take amped damage through transfer as long as your target is lowest tier

[burnt bone]

Can someone help me understand banshees pulse? Like will I be fine running it at 0 skill tier, do I have to hold it down to get enough range, who doesn’t it effect

[onyx sage]

look at the zone radius when you hold it down first, that tells you the range

having higher skill tier will make it have longer duration and shorter cooldown, mainly

[sweet pond]

This is what im working on for one shot

[onyx sage]

toss the habsburg pieces, use airaldi backpack and chainkiller chest

idk whose build you're following here but i'd take off turmoil and use either fox or 3rd hotshot piece

[sweet pond]

https://youtu.be/q4mwwvbG-y8?t=451

[onyx sage]

there's already a sniper guide in the spreadsheet, it's highly advised over any yt option

[hazy steeple]

Oh that thumbnail hurts my cold, cold soul.

[sweet pond]

sick, spreadsheet link in pins im assumin?

[onyx sage]

yes

[sweet pond]

there goes the last 12 hours of grinding for habsburg rolls

[onyx sage]

you don't need habsburg at all in the game, unless you have literally nothing else to grind for

[buoyant perch]

I sent the link but it seems like they went straight to yt builds afterwards

[onyx sage]

lmfao

[onyx sage]

should've sent a tiktok link sir

[hazy steeple]

Coming soon: footage of subway surfers playing down the side of your google spreadsheet.

[onyx sage]

bonus minecraft parkour clip

[sweet pond]

Probably an error on my end but the spreadsheet opens and I can barely read it, I dont have dark mode stuff on I dont think

[onyx sage]

you have a dark mode extension

100%

[sweet pond]

just turned off all the extensions I have and refreshed and its still dark mode

[burnt bone]

Yay I finished my umbra intiative

Well minus coyotes mask and tbh I’m just running the 5% fire rate one

Because I don’t have a good grupo ;-;

[onyx sage]

go to file > page setup and see if it's this

[junior lagoon]

what skills are you using with your striker dps build? i have revivor which i am very happy but struggling with second (tried shield, decoy etc.. with poor results)

[buoyant perch]

Decoy

[junior lagoon]

maybe i am not using it correct

[sweet pond]

got it, it was a chrome flag set to permenant dark mode

and idk why, but ty

[hazy steeple]

The modern internet is obsessed with dark mode, for whatever reason.
I assume it's related to sitting in dark rooms a lot.
well lit computer usage is good for your long term eyes, Agents

[worn imp]

Any particular new content rn in the game? has the manhunt ended yet?

[hazy steeple]

The Manhunt ends with the Season's release of the Climax Mission, which is in another 2 weeks, IIRC.

there's currently an Assassins Creed apparel event active, free and paid outfits both.

[sweet pond]

so is this the one thats recommended for watch farming?

[buoyant perch]

For solo, you can use a lower damage but faster firing, bigger mag mmr like .308
With sharpshooter you can stay in cover to generate ammo for pistolero but I prefer gunner so it's less annoying to do that.

[sweet pond]

that primary weapon is the model 700 right?

what is the backup sniper, the exotic one?

[buoyant perch]

Model 700 is a bit outdated, white death is slightly better now

[buoyant perch]

Nemesis

[sweet pond]

so white death primary, nemesis secondary

[buoyant perch]

Yup

[sweet pond]

How does this sound
Gunner/Sharpshooter

Primary
White Death
Weapon damage
Headshot damage
Weapon handling
TALENT: Perfect/Determined
Secondary
Nemesis
Weapon damage
Headshot damage
Weapon handling
Pistol
Quickstep?
Swap speed

Mask
Hotshot Mask
Weapon damage
Headshot damage
Weapon handling
Chest
Chainkiller
Weapon damage
Headshot damage
Weapon handling
Holster
Hotshot Holster
Weapon damage
Headshot damage
Weapon handling
Backpack
Araldi Backpack
Weapon damage
Headshot damage
Weapon handling
Gloves
Hotshot Gloves
Weapon damage
Headshot damage
Weapon handling
Knees
Hotshot Knees
Weapon damage
Headshot damage
Weapon handling

Trying to make a shopping list before I lock the wife out and start countdown farms

[solar sable]

this is the standard Hotshot setup, you need 150%+ HSD so all your Gearset pieces need HSD.
Don't use Perfect Determined, regular is okay

Reread Chainkiller's talent for the required HSD%

[buoyant perch]

Nemesis can't be farmed in CD by yourself. You need to do the nemesis project or get someone who has it to drop it for you.

[solar sable]

also Sharpshooter is BiS for Hotshot
You don't always need an exotic much less the same type as your primary (ammo loss)
Use a shotgun as backup for "oh shit" moments although you can blind fire with your Determined sniper

[sweet pond]

so is what I posted a good breakdown of mods? just so I can keep an eye out for them

[solar sable]

Once you reach max Stability and Accuracy with Weapon Handling atts, you have to use HSD where it's needed

[solar sable]

headshot dmg mods are great, don't worry about nothing else for that build

[solar sable]

scopes make you shoot slower, you can use them for the extra HSD or if you have the Holo sight then use that

[subtle bluff]

Scope w/e feels good to you.

[solar sable]

ye, it's also personal preference

[sweet pond]

how do you get overdogs

[solar sable]

gloves TL or Hyena Retaliations for the crafting blueprint

[hazy steeple]

@sweet pond You're welcome to discuss build ideas, but I don't recommend posting such a large text list again.

[sweet pond]

Apologies, I was using notepad, wasnt sure how to format it and discord didnt care

is there a recommended build setup site

[hazy steeple]

multiple posts are best in the future.

[sweet pond]

like this program?

[solar sable]

search buildstation app in google and that's one option

[subtle bluff]

It's in the pinned messages.

[subtle bluff]

Easier the site is https://buildstation.app

[sweet pond]

ty!

[subtle bluff]

It hurts.

[sweet pond]

Again, apologies. I hate buildcrafting myself, I much prefer a list and the enjoyment of getting all the pieces

[solar sable]

or if you feel lazy, use this format
(# of pieces and Gear/Brandset) (Attributes)
e.g
4pc Hotshot w/HSD & WH, Chainkiller and Airaldi Vigi

most of us will know what the abbreviations mean

[hazy steeple]

You can also just post a picture link, imgur works fine here, as does a windows screen snip.

and its fasssst

[burnt bone]

Wait chat I’m goated

Got an equilizer with CHD and high weapon damage to drop when I wasn’t even targeting it

[subtle bluff]

Happppppenn all the time. Why someone is mention just keep farming other stuff named and exo will drop.

[young crown]

Does weapon handling also increase the speed at which snipers cycle a new round?

[subtle bluff]

Zero. That's RPM.

[solar sable]

weapon Handling only affects
Weapon Stability, Accuracy and Reload Speed IIRC

[onyx sage]

and swap speed

[burnt bone]

3 countdowns deep, no Elmo’s 😔😔 what other ARs do yall like

[versed summit]

Police m4, custom p416 and honey badger are my favorites

[burnt bone]

i see, are there many differences in the gun variants

like the different p416s

[junior lagoon]

in a lmg (like gr9) what do we want 3rd attribute to be?

[burnt bone]

im pretty sure chc

[junior lagoon]

make sense, my chc is 54 so it will raise it to 60

[alpine lake]

Where you can get the lefty

[versed summit]

Not too much

[junior lagoon]

is there an exotic or named version of GR9?

[versed summit]

Two named versions, both garbage

[wispy hollow]

The regular is way more superior and my personal fav for LMG builds (especially Ongoing Directive/Tinkerer)

[wispy hollow]

Famas, CTAR, Carbine, Lexington (ignore if you dont have this)

[smoky latch]

If you are disappointed after three countdowns without your desired result wait until you reached the stage where it's about min-max'ing builds 😛

[burnt bone]

dont worry ive already started working on my library :)

[solar sable]

In many situations Named or Exotics are not Best In Slot and are surpassed by their non-named or non-exotic versions with a strong talent

[rich cosmos]

I can’t lie

The fact that its like that is really lame

Guns yeah whatever you likely have an exotic on of some kind already

But gear exotics often are just underpowered

[solar sable]

yeah... wish they would start adding good named items like Sacrifice or just great in general

[rich cosmos]

Ive said it a dozen times we need a whole patch update just for exotic gear

A lot of talents in general would be at least decent with cooldown reductions alone

[versed summit]

Like equalizer and salvo?

I'm still waiting for gearset bonus rebalances

[solar sable]

moar!

[versed summit]

TBH power creep be hecked, buff chd, chc, and hsd 2pc/3pc bonuses

I'd love to use Urban Lookout but stupid hotshot is just better

[wispy hollow]

Starting with True Patriot

[versed summit]

The talents are another thing

Those need reworks but that's understandably a lot of work

My problem is why stuff like cavalier and hotshot have better bonuses than high end pieces

Even with less attributes

[wispy hollow]

Is cavalier even any good ?

[versed summit]

2 PC is better than the 4 pc

[wispy hollow]

Oh yeah the Hazpro

Sometimes I wish they would have introduced the Ninjabike backpack bonus but on the Ninja kneepads itself rather than the backpack 😂

Would have opened up so many build variety's

[solar sable]

most probably they knew what they were doing

[versed summit]

Yeah would've been better in another slot. Maybe too strong tbh

[wispy hollow]

Maybe a little but we got Coyote, Overdogs as well so it would have been build dependent

OR introduce an event where we can equip multiple exotic pieces (like we could by default in Div 1)

[versed summit]

I'd have to math it, but you could easily beat coyotes in most builds pretty quickly I imagine.

[shy willow]

ninja was only goated in div1 cuz high end talents werent that crazy on their own

bring it into a game where bag talents are this valuable and yeah😭

[humble nest]

I just honestly got my white whale ive been hunting since I came back, none of my friend group plays div 2, so hopefully I can brag here.

[solar sable]

UNICORN FLEEEEEEX

[subtle bluff]

The only prefect unicorn I've never looked is one I really didn't want..

wait.. that wasn't one either..

[smoky latch]

PS chest with double crits and and GC for me... one day

[subtle bluff]

Same

Finished my toon to do showcase run with no watch

What's the popular Backfire Hazpro build? I need to kill it.

[solar sable]

one sec

[subtle bluff]

2pcs Ceska 4pcs striker?

[sweet pond]

alright, home from work, how do i get a white death, can I tf or is theree a specific spot

[solar sable]

this is what I found

[subtle bluff]

not even hazpro...

what a looser... 😐

[subtle bluff]

check the Pinned Messages

[solar sable]

these too

oops I didn't cut the youtubers names lol
I don't give a f

[subtle bluff]

w/e

There not even hazpro oh well

has bleed immune

[solar sable]

there are hazpro rolls in there

[subtle bluff]

ya but not enough for bleed immune

The NBB one yes.

[solar sable]

those are the only ones that I could find

[wispy hollow]

NBB variation (100% Haz Pro)

Updated version of above (100% Haz Pro)

[subtle bluff]

NBB Hazpro is too easy to shit on.

[wispy hollow]

Agreed which is why I went the updated version (just to get a 100% haz pro build that is not seasonal event or modifier dependent)

[subtle bluff]

2pc Ceska and 4pc Striker can hit hazpro

But I'm sure everyone wants Memeto

[wispy hollow]

Or 4 piece Striker, Memento, Yahl chest as well

[subtle bluff]

But you need bleed resti mods

I may have enough for that too

[wispy hollow]

100% Bleed resist, 70% for everything else (this is with modifier disabled)

[subtle bluff]

ugh.. have to farm hazpro striker then... 😐

[wispy hollow]

Obliterate on chest I assume

[subtle bluff]

The point is going after YouTube BF meta

[wispy hollow]

Could go for more armor cores for better shield but I doubt thats needed

[subtle bluff]

I made a video before already

[wispy hollow]

I dont even have a haz pro build lol. Sticking to my PestiBesti build for now

[silent storm]

HazPro TS with Backfire over 700% CHD

[wispy hollow]

CHD after a certain point I believe gives diminishing returns. Which is why striker HazPro is usually better way

[silent storm]

I thought we were titling Youtube meta vids

[subtle bluff]

No proving that there bad.

[humble nest]

Have a double crit oblit i got randomly in a box lol

[silent storm]

I feel like the only reason the blue core builds even work is 30 expertise. When you are doing sub a mil DMG even with Lv30 it just is not worth to even try at zero proficiency.

That is the main problem with those YT champions of build crafting

[sweet pond]

is it possible to get nemesis in tf or only from the quest

[solar sable]

tf?

[sweet pond]

target farming

someone said tf earlier so im trying to get hip with you kids and stuff

down with the lingo, rizz up the fellas, ya feel me homeslice? (yes this hurt to type)

[solar sable]

it's easier to just say TL, tf is a term of yours
you can get it from someone who already has the crafting blueprint if they get it as a drop

[sweet pond]

ahh okay, is that something that people do for others or i just have to get lucky

like if I ask is that a normal thing or

[solar sable]

you can ask before the Countdown leader starts it

doesn't hurt nobody

I've asked a few times if someone else was running MMR TL so I could get more chances with White Death and other stuff

[sweet pond]

why mmr instead of just mr

[solar sable]

marksman rifle

[strong cave]

MMR = Marksman rifle
MR = Mister but in all caps

[humble nest]

Im assuming six blue cores?

[shy willow]

it only enters your loot pool when you get the blueprint from the project questline

[humble nest]

I have a few builds that run 2/3 Blue cores and do well enough in Heroic (solo) content

[shy willow]

you can however get it dropped from someone else as doomz suggested

[humble nest]

Mainly because I am terrible at this game, and six red cores feels way to squeeshy for me.

[native plume]

Use Gunner Specialization and Palisade Chest if armor is an issue
That 20% AoK is super helpful

[humble nest]

I do on a couple builds.

[strong cave]

I run a max of 2 blues with ODogs + Strikers. Still hit like red. Then again, expertise is also carrying my gun to that damage level soooooo 😅

[humble nest]

But like pesti build doesnt have room for it, without giving something up

Im 14 XP rn

[silent storm]

Yeah those 4-5-6 blue core builds with MasSiVe DpS and a BilLIoN ArMoR!! vids people post. Well unless you are Lv30 you aren't killing anything today, maybe not tomorrow either. Meanwhile my 6 red core build has already completed the mission and moved on to the next.

[humble nest]

I feel pretty good with my DPS on a 2 Blue Core build honestly.

I do have a night unkillable 6 Blue Core build for giggles with friends.

[strong cave]

Yeah with how much we are getting powerful gear each season, power creep is a major thing. Overdogs gloves can make a 2 blue build feel like it hits as an all red

Blue builds have been slowly getting stronger which I do like

[shy willow]

itd be cool to get a capacitor equivalent for blue cores

half a red for every blue with stacking bonus regen or something

[astral kraken]

backfire is a big part of that

you can run backfire with 6 blues and still do good dmg

[subtle bluff]

Decent DMG.

[astral kraken]

i just did a 17 minute capitol run with 6 blues just to see

damage was never the issue

[subtle bluff]

Not saying it doesn't do good DPS.

You're CHC/CHD or Hazpro?

[astral kraken]

the problem is it doesnt scale beyond solo

[astral kraken]

3x pfe, 6 blue core, rest chc/chd

[subtle bluff]

Yup that does fine

[astral kraken]

in the end you're just giving up time

but some ppl just wanna chill and dont mind if it takes 5 min longer than it would with red

problem is in groups if you run blue you're dead weight

(if the group is running red)

[subtle bluff]

Yup there's a balance

[silent storm]

If there was a solid way to grab and hold aggro, I would do 6 blues right now. Run a shield and happily tank everything. This game doesn't work that way though so it's not worth building it

[tidal bloom]

Hi I’m a returning player and I wanted to ask if anybody knows a good way to farm for the ninja backpack ? been trying countdown and summit even DZ when it’s backpack but still no luck sadly

[solar sable]

why would you want an exotic component as a backpack?

[tidal bloom]

The backpack that unlocks a gear set ability idk what it’s called

[tulip charm]

Ninjabike backpack

[solar sable]

I never said you typed it wrong, I'm asking what's the purpose of using it in your build? Is it for PvP?

[subtle bluff]

Ninja Bike Backpack is a noob trap in short.

[tidal bloom]

Honestly for a chameleon build ongoing directive/unit alloys

[subtle bluff]

OD build works better with weapons with Sadist talent by a pretty big amount

[solar sable]

Honestly, don't.
It's either this or Coyote's if you don't have Tinkerer and an lmg with Sadist.
And Wicked instead of Vigilance!!!!!

[tidal bloom]

I got sadist unlocked and for tinkerer i don’t have it

I heard it’s a heroic guaranteed I think but I’m nowhere near strong enough to get that done yet

[solar sable]

Master* guaranteed, as I stated before use Coyote's if you don't have it or Matchmake for Potomac Climax Mission and ask for it.

[tidal bloom]

Ok ok thank you I’ll try and see my luck on it

[runic rapids]

Is overcharge worth it? Where you have 6 skill? I have two free skill. One from spec and one from two pieces of gear. I'd need 4 skill items. Currently I have 3 mask is locked to armour. Backpack too.

[magic pilot]

Overcharge is only active from specific talents, going past ST6 won't do anything

[runic rapids]

Oh I thought it was always active

[subtle bluff]

Where do you know OC from?

[runic rapids]

@strong cave i found out something AMAZING last night.

ANY kill while holding the em's guard triggers regen. even kills by drones/abilities/nades.

[subtle bluff]

Same with any AoK

Gunner, Brandset, Hunt Fury all give AoK

[runic rapids]

it showed up in my turret today for the first time ever when i equiped a new gear set. i didnt know what it was or did. but it makes sense its not always active.

[onyx sage]

all skills have an overcharge listing

[runic rapids]

i used up 2k+ crafting mats today :(. so i need to farm before i can upgrade my gear more.

[onyx sage]

it's only really useful on a few

[subtle bluff]

Your max skill Teir 6 as shown on your inventory.

[runic rapids]

ahh. no point going over 5 i was told? is that true?

[subtle bluff]

It depends on what you're trying to do..

[runic rapids]

im very comfy with this setup. the free teir from the BA set. and the free teir from the missile spec thingo mean i have 3 free gear slots i can use for armour/dps/whatever selse.

[subtle bluff]

I'm not even gonna ask with that build. In the past you don't want advie from what I remember.

[runic rapids]

its pretty much just regen on kill

[subtle bluff]

The most backward way of doing it

[hexed steppe]

it would be a lot more comfy dropping catharses and running a hunters fury mask. you would see higher armor on kill

[subtle bluff]

or just go FB...

This is regen..

[hexed steppe]

and if you are really worried about going down , farm a chest with unbreakable

[runic rapids]

nah sadly. no armour. damage buff. i am looking for a different set though.

[runic rapids]

therese a set that does 3% off memory.

[subtle bluff]

uhh?

[hexed steppe]

fair, you should be using the 4pc talent regardless

[runic rapids]

dont know the name. its a gold one.

2% my bad

[hexed steppe]

1 swap could give you an additional 45% amp against stuff cqb

[subtle bluff]

I know all the brandsets

You're missing the point..

[hexed steppe]

on second thoughts, i have better stuff to do

[runic rapids]

wait is the shield good?

[subtle bluff]

you're still missing the point...

[subtle bluff]

4pcs FB

[runic rapids]

thats a lot of regen. def gonna grab that set next.

[subtle bluff]

It's not regen...

[runic rapids]

is it makeshift repairs triggering?

[subtle bluff]

Yes.

4pcs HF

Red

[humble nest]

This ok for Raids?

Never done one, but want to at some point, and want to make sure I have a build for it

[subtle bluff]

No Striker Chest.

[humble nest]

Dont use the striker chest?

So this instead?

[strong cave]

Looks solid but I think you have 1 too many crit chance mods

[vapid arch]

For a party build what can i do to inprove it Dont have lexington

[subtle bluff]

Any weapon with +790 rpm w/killer

and swap salvo for overdogs

[strong cave]

Chow, give the Mk16 with Measured a try 🙏 it's super accurate and fun on striker for the RPM boosts

With unit alloys it makes it that much better too

[subtle bluff]

I've used MK16

[strong cave]

Thoughts on it?

It's slow firing but if you can get that RPM up it's super accurate at nearly all distances

[subtle bluff]

It's a better old Kingbreaker...

TKB.....

[strong cave]

By a whopping 50 rpm 😅

[subtle bluff]

Old TKB was 650rpm

[strong cave]

It's now 600 I'm pretty sure

[subtle bluff]

yup

[strong cave]

If they made it 625 that would've been justified. 600 is too low

Even if you build it around striker and salvo. It will still barely shoot faster than the stock p416

[subtle bluff]

I use to use ACR for awhile when I still new my probbably 300-400 runs into incurison I used it.

[strong cave]

I liked the ACR but something about it felt like the damage was delayed

I noticed the spread would get kinda bad at certain distances and it was never consistent like the Mk16 was

[vapid arch]

can the gloves drop or do i need to craft them?

[subtle bluff]

Yes and.. no,yes

[strong cave]

Should be able to drop. I know one method is target farming gloves on retaliation

[tawny mesa]

I like the police m4 for stock weapon. Very accessible too. Carbine7 is still good as well if you can get one

[runic rapids]

@strong cave

[runic rapids]

i dont need the shield fore the ability to trigger right?

[subtle bluff]

I still don't understand what you're actually trying to do.

[runic rapids]

decent mix of regen + dps + armor. this gets as close as ive gotten so far.

[subtle bluff]

why do you keep saying regen?

[runic rapids]

idk armor regen is how i look at it.

[subtle bluff]

Survivability

What's the skill for?

[runic rapids]

typically i run turret+drone. but ive been trying out different ones lately. at the moment drone + the armor healing ball thing

[subtle bluff]

Why not just run refactor then?

[runic rapids]

refactor?

[subtle bluff]

Skill Dmg heals you.. and if you runn...

[runic rapids]

WOW

[subtle bluff]

You know I tried showing this before

[runic rapids]

yeah that looks like it could be fun to try out too.

[subtle bluff]

and you just didn't care to listen to me the first time..

[subtle bluff]

Try running something like this.

[runic rapids]

That actually looks perfect

[subtle bluff]

Glass Cannon maybe not what you want but with all the healing and bonus armor and if you're acutally shooting guys it'll turn out reallly well

plz be more open minded and just add context to your questions. I really didn't want to help you much because of your interaction beforehand.

You don't have to follow the Crit or Skill dmg just CHC/CHD on the mod slots.

[strong cave]

What da hell

[subtle bluff]

Overdogs is interesting

[strong cave]

It looks interesting and fun but like

No 6 skill tiers?

[subtle bluff]

Meh

[strong cave]

Ah it's not needed really?

I genuinely wouldn't know how this build works. I'm not a skill build kinda guy besides healing and crowd control

[subtle bluff]

Skill Teir is = 20 Skill Dmg more or less for both them

[strong cave]

Yeah considering that the striker drone and turret do squat for actual skill damage, and good uptime, I can see somewhat why you wouldn't bother to go full 6 tiers

I just assumed with refactor that skill damage + tiers = more consistent healing and outgoing (since refactor repairs armor for you and team for a % of your skills damage)

[subtle bluff]

Their case it's for solo so not as important in sense

[strong cave]

Oh, solo I would've just said go striker route with memento

[subtle bluff]

You're recircling around...

Chow remembers.

[strong cave]

Great for solo play

I'm likely going to get tar and feathered for giving out a blue build, but genuinely this is about as simple as you can get for a solo build

[slate wedge]

but why an Armor Core?

[strong cave]

I'd also recommend this as well, you're still doing plenty of damage and the blues allows you to take a small bit of damage as well. Exodus is mainly there for survivability, and gunner is for armor on kill. Decoy isn't required, a shield works fine. Any skill, really

[subtle bluff]

It's for how they playstyle. It also drops with a blue.

[slate wedge]

a blue ain’t gonna change a thing with GC

[strong cave]

Sure it will, you take 1 extra bullet to die

S u r v i v a b i l i t y

[slate wedge]

💀

[subtle bluff]

I know... Different case...

[subtle bluff]

The context if you look into it, this is much better than what they've been using.

[shy willow]

Exodus my goat

[slate wedge]

yeah sure, but i would have added that if they’d go for GC they shouldn’t use an Armor Core

[subtle bluff]

I KNOW.... If you don't know the context please stop.

[buoyant perch]

I have read the context and the blue core in there is still bad

[strong cave]

Still, 1 less bullet from dying 🙏 embrace the blue

S u r v i v a b i l i t y

[umbral basin]

anyone got any build advice for legendary missions currently running memento, striker, st elmo just don't seem to be getting the damage v survivability right

[bright hill]

I'm just getting back into this after a few years away. Is Striker still the go to DPS build?

[magic pilot]

That should be a good loadout, I'd look into positioning more. Which mission are you running? Solo?

[bright hill]

whats the best exotic armor to pair with striker? My watch isn't a high enough level so I still need to carry a little armor with me. I can't be a total glass cannon

[magic pilot]

Watch isn't super important, it's pretty minor bonuses mostly

[magic pilot]

Overdogs

[bright hill]

gloves, right?

[umbral basin]

ok i am only level 367 so was unsure if it was im being to aggressive or level due to watch etc being slightly off max

[bright hill]

okay got it. I used to by the coyote mask, right?

[magic pilot]

Yea coyotes is good too, or tinkerer if you have it

[bright hill]

thank you

[magic pilot]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsWWMwQ4VU9474CUa6zvQdfJsDVAau2U2&si=Mjv8ShBsFxJxWJmr

[hexed steppe]

Ok, so... MortarDogs™ is a thing now. This is with capacitor stacked and high expertise mortar in the range, ymmv

[magic pilot]

MorDogs

[hexed steppe]

Sounds like a lotr beast

[slate wedge]

MortOrcs

[hazy steeple]

That's what you can let in when you have MorDor.

[runic rapids]

i died to a friendly mortar last night. somehow took 450k friendly damage lol. didnt know that could happen. dont stand near hostiles i guess lol.

[burnt bone]

Chat do we know what the odds are of getting an exotic AR dropped from countdown is

[hexed steppe]

Likely from an environmental barrel or the npc weak point exploding

[subtle bluff]

Rng is not nice.

[hexed steppe]

Depends on the amount of Lootcifer sacrifices you've offered
🔥 😈 🔥

[runic rapids]

does feeding all my junk to the expertise dragon count? becuase ive done a lot of that.

[hexed steppe]

No. You need player sacrifices.

[burnt bone]

Aw man I don’t have enough loyal followers for that yet 😔

[runic rapids]

@strong cave damn.

[subtle bluff]

What build are you using now?

[runic rapids]

rolling for the one you sent. refactor atm.

[copper yarrow]

For a rifle HH build, I'm using 3 piece Breaking point, one fox prayers for the other 2 pices which combo should I use:

1. Zwia chest and bag with Vigi and Headhunter
2. The gift BP + Chainkiller

[subtle bluff]

1 and take out one BP for overdogs

[subtle bluff]

So FB… I didn’t sent you a FB I just mention the brandset.
You don’t have refactor on?

[runic rapids]

im farming for it! i dont own the set so im running missions to get refactor at the moment!

[runic rapids]

this one you sent right?

[subtle bluff]

You can do Countdown..

And target farm it faster..\

It’s just how you worded it all confused me

[copper yarrow]

overdogs are worth losing 30 HSD and 15 WPH?

[subtle bluff]

yes

[copper yarrow]

Sweeet

[runic rapids]

i need to work out countdown. ive never done it before. but it seems useful for gear farming.

[subtle bluff]

Have you looked at the Farm guide?

[runic rapids]

no where do i find it?

[subtle bluff]

CD isn’t solo.

In the build hub that’s in the gearsheet

[strong cave]

My quick advice after clocking out for a quick break, would be to run countdown on challenging. Follow the group, try to help them with the objectives and pick up loot as you go. If you don't know how to Matchmaker for countdown, look for the giant "C" symbol at the Pentco power plant on your map. You are to then open up matchmaking, you just simply hit the button in the map prompt that tells you how to open matchmaking. Set it to challenging and you're ready to go. Obviously right before the countdown starts, you can hover over that very same logo on your map and you would hit the button prompt that tells you to select your targeted loot. Happy farming, agent

If you need further help, don't be afraid to ask in #ask-td2-community or there is a new player resource located in #new-player-resources

[burnt bone]

Chat what gear sets do you like that mix survival and dps, I’ve been running striker but was wondering if there’s smth comparable but a little bit tankier

[strong cave]

Lastly, if you look in the new player resources channel, you will find that there is a video from GC Rock on how to play countdown. If you really need help, I recommend you give that a watch. GC does talk a bit, but he explains it in depth so that any new player is able to understand what they are doing

[copper yarrow]

heartbreaker

[strong cave]

Depends, are you playing by yourself or are you playing in groups?

[burnt bone]

uhh either i guess

[burnt bone]

that one looked interesting 👀

[strong cave]

Honk honk @hazy steeple , there's a roadblock blocking my ability to keep driving this conversation forward

[burnt bone]

aw is there no moderator ping

[strong cave]

Heartbreaker is okay but sadly it's just a worse Striker

It holds up in Solo play, but as soon as you start getting into groups, it just falls off

[magic pilot]

HB is not great

Once you have max stacks your armor is capped out

[burnt bone]

aw really, i feel like I have to hide and use health kits often on striker

[strong cave]

Exactly what average said. I personally run Memento on my heartbreaker builds because I don't like having my armor capped out. I like to be able to continuously collect bonus armor

[magic pilot]

That's a positioning issue, do you know how to peek tall cover?

[burnt bone]

but that might just be a skill issue

uhh maybe, what do you mean

[strong cave]

Honestly just putting one or two blues on a striker build makes the world difference. If you're running solo play, you can honestly run all of your Striker pieces as blue cores and run Memento backpack with a ceska chest having the obliterate talent on it. It will still hold up in Solo play and do plenty of damage and you'll have a buttload of survivability

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/tLopWe9NfF0?si=Gx_rUfF8wY-fpLZp

You basically play all of the end game content using this peek

[strong cave]

Be warned, as soon as you grow accustomed to doing this is the moment the game is significantly easier and you might find yourself growing a little bit bored

Speech to text is kicking my ass today

[burnt bone]

oh yeah thats just basic cover peeking

[strong cave]

Yeah but what you're trying to do is get near perfect pixel peak. Because if you can get near perfect pixel peak, the enemy's genuinely cannot hit you

Nearly all of the greatest division 2 players play that way

[burnt bone]

I mainly run into issue when big guys run at me and force me out of position :( or my armor gets one shot by the hunter dudes in countdown haha

[strong cave]

The only thing you really need to know is if it's not full body cover, you're in pretty risky cover

[magic pilot]

Melee bait the hunters

https://youtu.be/tzD2mvbhRFI?si=4vCptjA1le_bf8KJ

Chungas you need really good accuracy, find one part of their armor you are really good at hitting consistently

[slate wedge]

hey, how accurate are the weapon damages in the spreadsheet?

[magic pilot]

Should be super accurate, I think they used full gray builds with no watch to find the base values

[slate wedge]

because on the changelog it says last update wa on 10.02.2025 but sheriff is in the weapon area

and negev has the highest burst dmg of all lmgs

[magic pilot]

it had wrong rof, fixed now

[magic pilot]

yea we've updated since

[copper yarrow]

Would overdogs be better here too?

[hexed steppe]

They dont need to be willing 😎

[magic pilot]

depends if you like dodge

[burnt bone]

but that wouldnt be nice :(

[hexed steppe]

Only 1 way to get his blessing, and it ain't from being nice

[burnt bone]

Interesting…

Do y’all prefer measured or killer on famas?

[smoky latch]

Killer good solo
Measured good in group play

[burnt bone]

oh that makes a lot of sense actually

[smoky latch]

Reasoning for this is because you don't compete for kills solo

Higher uptime of Killer

[burnt bone]

i was leaning towards measured but thats because ive been doing like only countdown for the last few days

[coral reef]

Does the Eclipse Protocol backpack talent benefit everyone in my group, or only me?

[onyx sage]

just you

who will carry me

[coral reef]

Thanks boss

[copper yarrow]

The problem with DCH for me is that I miss the shot sometimes and it goes to waste lol

[fossil crag]

have you tried head hunters fury

[burnt bone]

your name is good

[fossil crag]

dank you someone tried to make it say flowers but i fixed that quick right back to feet LOL

[burnt bone]

stand strong, brother

[copper yarrow]

Haven't tried this setup as I'm farming for the DH bag. Currently for HHF I'm using DCH and the HF bag

[subtle bluff]

Which works great in solo. Probably my favorite for solo.

[fossil crag]

OO i will thank you my brother LOL

[strong cave]

Honk honk

[runic rapids]

@strong caverefactor is working well.

[subtle bluff]

I don't get it.
The only context I have here is you saying and tagging both of us. You say refactor and at some point you're down.

[runic rapids]

need to get over dogs and the chest yet. but going well.

[burnt bone]

i think they were joking about having taken 3.5 million damage

[subtle bluff]

You're missing Capacitor

[runic rapids]

yeah trying to work out where it comes from.

[subtle bluff]

Summit challenges

[fossil crag]

To get the Capacitor exotic assault rifle in The Division 2, you must complete five challenges in The Summit game mode in a single ascent. The fastest method is setting the Summit to Normal difficulty, which can allow you to unlock it in about 40 minutes to an hour.

[tropic mauve]

Hey, just reached lvl 40, any tips on how to make a build_

?*

[subtle bluff]

📌 Pinned Messages > Sheet 2 > Build Hub > Farm Guide

[sweet pond]

6 countdown runs tl mmrs, not a single white death. Is it not an mmr? can it drop in countdown?

for this build btw

[strong cave]

Poor RNG is your only issue

[sweet pond]

sickkk ty lol

[last schooner]

is Devil's Due a PVE item?

[strong cave]

DZ exclusive. It's ass. Got nerfed decades ago and never balanced out

[last schooner]

good, trash

are there many meta builds that use Uzina?

[solar berry]

PvP focused, Conflict/DZ drop. Have to build it just right. Even then It desperately needs a buff, in some way

Even then if built right. It’s meh… unless you use movement very effectively and other person isn’t tearing you down very quickly

It’s ok. Def not a build most people would run tbh

[last schooner]

are backfire builds still meta?

[subtle bluff]

They're only meta for some sections.

[last schooner]

Trying to farm Yaahl, too hard

[subtle bluff]

For?

[last schooner]

backfire

[subtle bluff]

Ya that's not BF meta

[solar berry]

Backfire was easier last season due to modifiers right?

[subtle bluff]

It's still the same.

You don't need hazpro to deal with the bleed

[last schooner]

lol BF is not even on the build hub, CBF now

[solar berry]

I’m thinking the seasonal modifiers. Easier to build around with

[subtle bluff]

I mean you just throw it on and use it.

[solar berry]

Backfire is nasty with striker. If used in PvE

[subtle bluff]

For hazpro version.

[last schooner]

so strikers rolled with hzpro

and bleed res mods?

[subtle bluff]

I've only use hazpro to show a compare of how slow it is.

BF Hazpro was only a YouTuber meta

[solar berry]

You can use some on top of watch. But def not a full haz pro tbh.

[last schooner]

so really unless I feel like running content slower just stick to the hub builds?

[subtle bluff]

I mean...

[solar berry]

Full haz pro, F you over than you expect

[subtle bluff]

This isn't slow...

[solar berry]

For solo, it’s not at all

Even then you generate your own overall weapon dmg

[solar berry]

Shiny chest?

Or named piece. Whatever you call it.

[subtle bluff]

It's just Equalizer.

I'd go lil faster with Ceska GC but not many wanna use that.

[solar berry]

I use the named chest, with perfect obliterate. Same exo

The new named one

[subtle bluff]

Yes, Eqalizer

[solar berry]

Ceska is amazing due to chc. But striker is all about delete things fast. So lil extra rof even helps slower rof weapons. But on ouro or other smgs. Sheesh it bumps a ton overall for burst dmg

[last schooner]

I finished DUA lego with some randoms, they use regulus to 1 shot the boss. how did they do that?

[subtle bluff]

We use Achillies

[solar berry]

Prob GC, umm 🤔 the exo that boost sidearm dmg first shot… forgot the name

[last schooner]

ahh ok just saw strikers reg build on spreadsheet

[solar berry]

That’s is a mean skill

Underrated but very situational

[subtle bluff]

Here's the better answer:
https://youtu.be/JWytDF7Djug?si=S0mfowi860Dums2P

[last schooner]

wow. I would love to try this...but this means I need another set of strikers...my poor stash

[subtle bluff]

To note this solo version of it.

[last schooner]

and potentially if you're playing with randoms they can intefeer?

[subtle bluff]

Yes

Hence the solo idea of it.

[last schooner]

I'm too chicken to solo DUA lego haha

[subtle bluff]

I use something witj 3 Teir I try to take off the ammo then there's only 2 points

[subtle bluff]

Sorry I meant solo within a team.

Not needing anyone else helps.

[foggy imp]

With the momento and running master is running more than 3 blue cores a good idea or is 3 plenty

[subtle bluff]

W/e works for you. The less the better but some players feel safer with more.

[copper yarrow]

jammer pulse vs sticky emp which is better for disrupting ads?

[onyx sage]

sticky

[last schooner]

not see any rifle builds in the hub sheet. Not meta?

[subtle bluff]

correct the best is OD

It's explined how to buildi it.

[last schooner]

Good, gonna delete all my BP pcs

[subtle bluff]

Wait

DPS rifle not meta.
Rifle HH is.

[last schooner]

ohhh. hope its not a 1886, I found a god rolled 1886 with determined

[subtle bluff]

It is 1886

[last schooner]

damn ok, was gtonna delete it

surely virtuoso is useless

not 511 useless....but like why bother?

[onyx sage]

it requires too much work to proc

[last schooner]

can't find the guide to this. Is it 2pc zwi 3 pc BP?

[subtle bluff]

2pc BP overdogs.

Yeah things I need to update.

[last schooner]

2pc zwi 2 pc bp overdog, and foxes?

OK, BP mask and holster, Overdog, foxes, Zwi chest with HH and Zwi BP with Vigil

all rolled to handling and HSD

[subtle bluff]

To note on solo I think HHF is better and safer. BP version has a higher cap/base dmg.

[copper yarrow]

What would that be

[subtle bluff]

HF, Chainkiller and BP overlord or D&H depending on your main weapon. (really doesn't matter solo) Vig or Concession (can't spell it)

M870 or KSG Brazen, all accuary for backup weapons.

[last schooner]

damn and here I was thinking this HH 1886 build would be staying at range for safety

[onyx sage]

nah 1886 wants you to be midrange

[last schooner]

wtf is the point of visionario? wasting stash space?

i mean the whole legatus set...meh

does running + 120 optimal range really do much?

[onyx sage]

no

getting more opti range is only worth it if you're not sacrificing some other stat

[vagrant harness]

im running tipping scales tinkerer with gr9 what would anyone recommend for talents for both lmgs i cant decide my self 🥹

im building all reds

[subtle bluff]

Not and just going overdogs instead.

[vagrant harness]

im trying to get those aswell atm to change it yes but i have not had any luck

[proper wave]

frenzy and killer mb

[jolly knot]

do yall got any uhh builds for capacitor? that has crits

should i try goin for Alps?

[subtle bluff]

☝️

[jolly knot]

thanks

[modest frigate]

Hey dudes, was wondering if the concentrated company talent "Camaraderie" applies to me aswell if I wear the set? or is it only allies and skills

[subtle bluff]

For making stacks yes. Idk exactly your question is.

[modest frigate]

it says it give u stacks of damage etc, I was just curious if it only applied to allies and skills and not yourself (The wearer)

[subtle bluff]

Only you. Talents will mention allies.

[modest frigate]

okey

[trail oar]

anyone got a good chatterbox build?

[copper yarrow]

4 piece strikers with Overdogs and Equalizer

4 piece hunter's fury with Equalizer and sokolov bag with Vigilance

[half cedar]

I run hf with Chatter box + Equalizer with Banshee pulse.

Pulse group of enemy.
Reload intentionally.
And then Proceed to Hold the TRIGGER

[sage falcon]

how important is crit chance/damage compared to base weapon damage. i have a negotiator build and a umbra initiative build that are next to useless compared to my other builds with heartbreaker, concetrated co., and even breaking point. i can get to 250% crit damgage and max chance but still do pitiful damage

[half cedar]

Crit is pretty important in normal speaking usually

[slim hatch]

Currently just getting back into the game. And have an all red build atm. Tinking of going to a type of hybrid with blue. Is it worth it? As I said just getting back into the game so Ik a lot has changed. Currently lvl 45

[solar sable]

what dym by hybrid? Red blue?

most importantly, what's you goal with that build?

[slim hatch]

What I’ve been playing on atm is. A full damage/ crit build and no armor. I want to me a lil more tankish but still be able to put out enough damage. Cause the build I have now isn’t cutting it. Made it when the game first came out

[solar sable]

Mind sharing what you have rn? Because you can't have 2mil armor and high crits at the same time

what I'm trying to do is lead you to what improvements can be made in your current build and start from there

[slim hatch]

I’m not on atm but when I have a chance I’ll send it. I’m currently at work on break lol. I’ll be on later tonight tho. Ik it doesn’t help now. But I have everything toward damage atm.

[patent fossil]

could just take a red build and throw memento on it for some tankiness

[solar sable]

oh okay, I'll guide you somewhere I know can be useful to some people

There's a pinned Spreadsheet in this channel with a Build Hub which has all the available builds you can think of. In there you will find these:
Heartbreaker and Hunter's Fury.
With a few blue cores (4/3) you can make something "tanky" and with decent dmg, look at them, try them and see what fits best for you

Memento is by far the best survivability/dmg balance for Solo play

[slim hatch]

I do know I have around 900k armor and about 200k damage my armor just gets wrecked after getting shot 2 or 3 times.

And thanks for the help I didn’t see they had that.

[solar sable]

And that was part of my previous point, we are "bullet sponges" so we basically cannot be immortal with all 6 blue cores, all the armor regen in the world or all the heals of the game

[crisp spade]

For this PvP build, i got my mask missing. Might be accidentally deleted. Can anyone have a guess what mask that should be to match this build? Thanks

ai gave me this answer

[solar sable]

Catharsis is what most people used to run for PvP, if you want good pvp advice ask in #td2-pvp-discussions where the pvpers are

[crisp spade]

Thanks

Why here shows item missing and I cannot equip with anything from my inventory?

[mental tangle]

Probably deleted or stash

[crisp spade]

I do have that mask that you recommended

Is Scorpio a good choice for PvP?

[junior lagoon]

what is the best talent to use for lexington in a striker/memento build?

[solar sable]

Killer

[hexed steppe]

ok, so..... Fire Overclipse is a thing now .
Overdogs sacrifices another exotic to Lootcifer.
this was just in the range, with high expertise skills, ymmv.

-# dont judge my handwriting , ik i shoulda been a dr. or whatnot

it does force tech class to maintain 6 skilltiers, but worth it i think

[junior surge]

Does the bonus damage from overdogs apply to the fire?

[slate wedge]

Yes

[hexed steppe]

check the damage ss

[fresh yoke]

Is the 4 piece CoCo still visually bugged or actually bugged? I'm running it with Pesti and I can't seem to build stacks on kills.

[frozen hull]

Visually bugged

[buoyant perch]

what's the burn duration difference tho? 🤔

[primal cave]

should i be running overdogs or just use hotshot gloves?

[fiery gust]

No real benefit to running Overdogs since you're one shotting everything anyways.

[primal cave]

oki ty

[solar sable]

what.

you can hit insane numbers with Shroud + Hotdogs

[fiery gust]

He isn't using Shroud and I imagine he is asking in general, not for niche applications.

I didn't say they weren't good. Just that for general use with the setup he is showing, there's no real point to running them over 4 pieces of Hotshot.

[subtle bluff]

On group or scaling overdogs helps with that first shot or rebuild HH again.

[fiery gust]

Yea, for sure. Again, just taking his question at face value. There's a ton of scenarios, so can't really answer for all of them lol.

[vapid arch]

Do u lose alot of dmg if u run Striker on Blue core, or how do i get more survivel.

[fossil crag]

2 blues on striker is not gonna mess with your dmg alll that much

Oo and kill faster, thats not meant to be mean, so a gun with a dmg talent on it
I like ranger
killer is good
measured is iight in pve its more of a pvp one for me but thats just me

The lex is best but the po po m4 is really good

[copper yarrow]

any good backfire build? I'm thinking 4 piece full red striker with Equalizer chest and spot on holster

[solar sable]

I'd run 4pc HF, Soko/Ceska/Palisade with Oblit and Memento

obviously for solo

[copper yarrow]

Interesting

[fossil crag]

i have a silly backfire build for the lulz
all red core cav with a soko and a cess oblit chest lol its silly. countdown zap floors are so fun I run firewall casue I tend to be in the no armor gang (100% haz pro )

disclamer this is not a S-tear build! its more of a lulz-tear build

[copper yarrow]

I tried this in a group and it was a lot of fun, the TTK is insane. Only problem is that I need to get close to the ads

[solar sable]

well that's the cost to using an smg lol

that's why I recommended HF and Memento since you're already doing close encounters bc of backfire

[copper yarrow]

Sounds good, I'll try it. Thanks man

[muted field]

How can I improve this build?

(It's a very standard one, but I feel that is lacking something)

[copper yarrow]

Overdogs instead of coyotes and obliterate/glass cannon on the chest

[muted field]

Thanks

[copper yarrow]

Also get your critical hit chance to around 55

[muted field]

Alright, doing the adjustments

[young crown]

is there a build that i can play as support/tech/healing backline for legendaries?

[south sinew]

Should you start making builds at level 30 or at level 40??

[fiery gust]

Everything pre-40 is basically a tutorial. Use whatever works best while leveling. After that, look to (hopefully) put together solid builds. The pinned spreadsheet in this channel has several if you're looking for ideas.

[subtle bluff]

☝️

[copper yarrow]

Where is this infographic from?

[hexed steppe]

there is no burn duration difference. i always ran with survivalist, so swapping to tech class for the 6 skilltier just dropped the buff for my teamates. if you run firewall youll see a little less duration swapping to tech, obv. hitting over 1 mil on a burn sticky is a pretty good tradeoff

[hexed steppe]

hotdogs gives you a lot more frontloaded damage . with using both rifle and mmr, you could be running 2 breaking and fox's knee . breaking is 25%rifle damage, 25%mmr damage, then fox's is more rifle damage and dttooc

[small junco]

So I have quite a few builds for my Pestilence, but which is best?

I have
CoCo
Negotiator's
Tipping Scales
Generic HE?

I also just picked up Overdogs

[subtle bluff]

I made the text. The rest is from scoobs builder sheet.

[hexed steppe]

at this point it isnt a niche item and its definitely worth running

[strong cave]

Overdogs are niche already? they're not even half a year old

that surely is the take of all time

[fiery gust]

Never said Overdogs were niche, per se.

Shroud kind of is. I wouldn't use Overdogs on a standard Hotshot build, though. Might be just me. I just don't see any reason to do that for solo play or even some group play. For pushing more difficult content with scaling, then probably so. That's probably when you're switching off of an 1886 and standard MMR for something that hits a lot harder.

[strong cave]

Shroud and Overdogs can work simultaneously at the same time if you know how to target prioritize

[fiery gust]

Yea, they're great together.

[strong cave]

I'm a nemesis guy myself but its all dependent on target prioritization

I wouldnt go about calling any of it niche, just a small learning curve to the build which is as simple as memorizing logos and remembering "oh yeah, that logo gives me more damage, lemme shoot it real quick"

[fiery gust]

Determined is still just so strong it's hard to warrant using Shroud or Nemesis for any standard gameplay outside of like Legendary or other high scaling. Overdogs can be slotted in whenever, though I like the 4 piece Hotshot bonus for never having to reload under normal circumstances. Lets me just blast through and never worry about ammo. 😂

[silent storm]

If being on every DPS build is niche that's ccrazy

[subtle bluff]

Nego and TS doesn't synergize really well pesti

[subtle bluff]

Most not all.

[silent storm]

95%

Unless you need another exotic or a Chest Pack combo on a GS, OvD should be on

[small junco]

It doesn't synergize with Nego? I'd think you could spray a few enemies coming out of a chokepoint and drop two forms of DoTs while dropping a main target

[silent storm]

Naa it's kinda bad

[small junco]

Hmm

[silent storm]

You want to use an LMG with Nego go Bluescreen

[small junco]

I have that option too

[silent storm]

Or Measured MK46/M60

[subtle bluff]

Not that bad but synergize that's all it does. Doesn't boost the tick dmg and so why would something else not work just as well. Like mentioned bluescreen.

[small junco]

Ah, I see, so it's better to boost the Pesti tick damage?

[subtle bluff]

When coco pesti can tick up to 2 mill

[subtle bluff]

Why else use pesti?

[small junco]

Ah, ok. I ran CoCo with it this afternoon and it seemed like it took a while to get the stacks up

[small junco]

I only just came back to the game about two weeks ago

[silent storm]

Yeah Pesti by itself is a mid tier LMG.

[fiery gust]

You wouldn't use Nego since the ticks can't crit, so them dealing damage won't transfer via the Nego marks. Only weapon hits (bullets) would in this case.

[small junco]

Oh really?

[silent storm]

Long Reload, mid DMG can't increase pouch size outside of gear

[small junco]

Ah, ok. Which LMG would you recommend?

[silent storm]

For Nego?

[small junco]

I hit Countdown pretty hard when I came back, so I have a few LMG exotics

[silent storm]

Bluescreen

[small junco]

Not necessarily, I just want to make an LMG hit hard

[silent storm]

I am a Bluelieber

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the build?

[small junco]

I'll give it a shot again! It was fun crowd-controlling a bunch of enemies

[silent storm]

Hitting hard is definitely Measured or Frenzy M60

Pakhan is also awesome

[small junco]

I have that too

[silent storm]

TS Pakhan is really fun and good

Once you start rolling you don't stop

[fiery gust]

I'm guessing you've tested this. Curious, how long does it take to build up the stacks for this? That's a loaded question obviously based on ad density, aim, etc. Just wondering if it's fast or slow to ramp in general. I got lazy and never put the old HE version together. Might actually break down and put the CoCo one together for something a little different lol.

[small junco]

Tinkerer would make this spicy

[subtle bluff]

It can take a longer solo but in groups it takes about 10-13 kills. I don't use any extra skills to help stack.

[subtle bluff]

Eh. Overdogs does more.

[silent storm]

This build is a powerhouse. Can change the gloves to OvD, mine are on another toon so I just put 5% RoF there as a placeholder.

[fiery gust]

Ah, that's not bad then.

[small junco]

Fair enough

[small junco]

Glass cannon, brave, lol

[silent storm]

Glass is the best

[subtle bluff]

I retired the HE version. I only used it in Heroic and below RMM.
CoCo I can use in master/leggo

[small junco]

Glass is scary!

But my watch level is still low-ish.

I'll try Pakhan with TS. I need another weapon to level up to proficiency anyways

[silent storm]

Swap Glass for Equalizer it's almost the same thing

If you don't like Glass that is

[small junco]

I use that now

[silent storm]

This is my Pesti build for HE

1.89 mil ticks so not worried about CoCo really as I don't need 2 of the same builds

[strong cave]

glass is dead simple. just pixel peek with right hand advantage. literally cant be shot

[fiery gust]

I got lazy on trying to put this together. The CoCo one will be a lot easier. XD

There's something about HE that certainly looks nice, though.

[subtle bluff]

The reason I retired lengmo is just that coco also buffs CHD so your normal DPS is actually pretty good. Why I can use it in master and leggo. I put the dps and tick numbers in the guide.

[silent storm]

Can't use CoCo or Lengmo in Legend?

NM I read it again

Have you done the math on WH in the CoCo build to reduce reload time considering that it gives CHD boost?

30% native I feel a few more WH attributes would put it up there

[subtle bluff]

HE Lengmo isn leggo doesn't have the DPS I'd like it to have to kill things I want quick enough.

[hexed steppe]

There are glass users, then there are everyone else that just complain glass is hard. 🍻

[silent storm]

I mean sometimes you just die though because everything is targeting you lol

[subtle bluff]

It's not worth. pesti tick is covering the reload time is the mindset.

[silent storm]

Yeah even 30% over the Lengmo build is massive

Maybe I will make one, but I want to finish my Yellow CoCo build first

[rare trout]

how do pesti ticks work when there are multiple players running pesti?

[silent storm]

Pretty sure they are combined

But your individual tick will be different based on gear

[rare trout]

So if someone is running all blue pesti and you're running all red pesti, you can't stack the full 50? It's better to switch builds?

[subtle bluff]

No

They don't count to each other.. They don't stack on or doing anything with each other

The problem running more than one pesti build that mean your focus DPS will be some what lacking in a Master/leggo

[rare trout]

got it, thanks!

[silent storm]

I thought you could have multiple ticks on a mob

[subtle bluff]

You can. It doesn't work with other pesti

[silent storm]

From different Pesti

[subtle bluff]

It's a debuff only from you

[silent storm]

Ok so yeah what I said then

[subtle bluff]

Yup the first thing you said was wrong

well

the wording..... They're all Individual pesti debuffs

[silent storm]

Yeah but it doesn't block another from adding to it

Maybe combined was a bad word as it doesn't add to your stacks, but doesn't block another from addin their own like a Mana Wall or something

[sweet pond]

Backpack for hotshot build, do I farm for the Gift or araldi with perf vigi

[solar sable]

Airaildi Vigi

[sweet pond]

normal or pef?

[solar sable]

normal, you cannot extract a perfect talent

HH scales with Weapon DMG and not HSD

[sweet pond]

build document says to try for perfect vigi, normal vigi it is, ty

[solar sable]

The difference between Perfect and Regular Vigi is one second so there's absolutely zero in essence

[solar sable]

then add this

Airaldi 1pc bonus is MMR DMG so it helps HH

[subtle bluff]

UGH I fix..

argh there so much..

[solar sable]

mr. sir. Chow... please don't implode

[subtle bluff]

murrrrrrrrr

[nimble moss]

Hey ! I got my solo build together for now, and pretty happy with it. I'm looking now to get into legendary / incursion or master missions, but I'd like to do it in group. Which role / build do you guys feel is missing / recommand for those activities (with randoms) ?
Only thing I really want is no sniper - at least a correct dps even if not the best - weapons / armors not tied to events.
Kinda saw a lot of build on ytb and spread but I wondered what's usually missing.

[shy willow]

DPS/striker

There's not really a missing role, they've all been around long enough to have optimal strats

[solar sable]

oh and please refrain/stay away from Div YT, builds mostly

[nimble moss]

Ah ok I see ! I've seen a couple builds with interactions (coyote mask, some set), and kinda thought those buffs and all could make it easier, especially with randoms and so.

[nimble moss]

Yeah I've heard that before, I used to try one or two things and was disappointed to be honest xD Some are showing build with lvl 30 mastery and so, not even close of what could work for "beginner build" or so lmao

[subtle bluff]

For incursion it's just a big DPS check.

Red Strikers Chest,BP and a acs12

everything else is just normal strikers. aka no chest.

[solar sable]

b-but strikers is boring and ninjabike is meta (this is sarcasm)

[subtle bluff]

And here you telling me not to implode...

[nimble moss]

I see, ok I thought it was more advanced builds and so, I don't know why ^^
Yeah I mean not boring or so but I admit I kinda wanted to come across with different builds / differents situations in lategame or so haha
But wnv I prefer to be useful and do the job XD so I'll just stick with it for now ^^

[solar sable]

It's okay to think that Raids require super advanced setups because they look intimidating at first glance

[nimble moss]

I mean I've looked a video where it was 20 mins of explanation just for the first room lmao

[solar sable]

they look hard, tedious, makes you feel kinda held back but once you get a team that knows what to do and teaches with such passion, the fear goes away

Chow is passionate about Incursion, ask him

[subtle bluff]

wait what?

for what? Incursion or raid?

[solar sable]

if it's for Incursion... wtf
if it's for a raid it's reasonable I guess?

[subtle bluff]

dunno if it's a passionate or an issue..

[nimble moss]

20 mins for raids (as he said raid just before haha), didn't look anything for incursion yet, didn't try either xD

[subtle bluff]

Which raid?

Either or first section of both is just killing stuff

[solar sable]

please be IH, please be IH...

[solar sable]

exactly wtf 😭

[nimble moss]

Uh... The one in which the tank is alone in a room, and the healer need to keep his room sealed to keep warm or so x)

[subtle bluff]

Doomz have you ever watch a YouTuber/Stream try to explain/teach a raid? It takes fovever.

[nimble moss]

You are true, I lied, they killed a few NPC and first boss just before, but I saw 2 or 3 others sections in which they explain a lot xD

[subtle bluff]

that's like the a few section into the IH raid

[solar sable]

I had a teacher once, the whole raid took at least 2 ½ hours because the other guys couldn't keep up

[subtle bluff]

but ya that one has a lot to explain to teach everything. I don't even know how to do like that. I just cheese it...

[nimble moss]

Yeah probly. I've just watched the first explanation section and I kinda went overwhelmed by informations xD But well I guess as a player you only have to stick to your own role so everything isn't so important to know, as long as u know what you're doing xd

But yeah, all that to say, those explanations and all made me think that endgame was about different build / situations / roles

[subtle bluff]

Let me put this a scale for you.
DH - Easy, some mechanics and some DPS checks
IH - A lot of mechanics and very low DPS checks
Incursion - Mostly a big DPS check and some mechanics

[nimble moss]

Ok I see. Kinda different, actually. Are all those (except IH ?) doable with randoms, usually ? I heard discord call for raids but unfortunally, my speaking english really sucks xD

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.

Still things to do for all. Just easier to explain when on vc as long as you can listen that's really the easiest thing.

[nimble moss]

I see I see. Well ty for the informations 😄

[fiery gust]

This sounds like Fieser. If so, I don't recommend watching videos on it, or even in general honestly. Find a group where someone knows what's going on and will explain what you need to do. For that encounter specifically, a lot of people are mainly just ad clear, checking these boxes for codes, and shooting an electrical panel if/when they need to.

Don't get bogged down by needless info. There's no real value in trying to learn 100% of every encounter prior to raiding or on your first raid because you're going to get overwhelmed and most of it won't matter anyways due to most likely being placed on the easier roles in your first few raids.. Keep it simple. Learn it bit by bit. Much more enjoyable that way.

I know that's unrelated to builds, per se, but needed to be said lol.

[nimble moss]

Was a french streamer haha but I see your point here. Thanks 😄

[silent storm]

I feel like imploding is what you do all the time

[copper yarrow]

What does that mean can you please explain

[solar sable]

what part?

right hand peaking? as simple as LoS

this image explains LoS pretty well by itself

[copper yarrow]

Pixel peek