td2-build-advice

[strong cave]

I'm still a ceska guy myself

[onyx sage]

salvo is 4.3% increase, but depending on how much crit you have or the rest of the build the ceska or something else can beat that 4.3%

[strong cave]

Probably tinker, using Measured + Killer

Obviously with ceska oblit

[onyx sage]

then measured is gonna affect salvo's increase even more

it's not always cut and dry

i use it for another purpose tho. salvo is the best way for me to match my gr9's firing time with frenzy

[strong cave]

That's a very good use, I saw that in your tidal clip the other day. Noticed you kept it up basically 100%

[onyx sage]

yeah only has like 10 rounds out of frenzy

[foggy imp]

@astral kraken backfire build went pretty good ha

[strong cave]

What difficulty tho

Scrolling up has shown me it appears to be Master. Well done 💯

[velvet beacon]

Yo, any Bittersweet riffle ideas? trying shiny monkey + zwiadowka / glass cannon + vigillance or shiny monkey + zwiadowka + murakami + ninja both headshot builds

[subtle bluff]

Not NBB that's really the key

[grand girder]

no NBB slander

(please dont use nbb)

[night veldt]

does the creeping death perk work with the ravenous explosion? or is it not considered a status effect

[onyx sage]

it doesn't

[subtle bluff]

Explosion aren't a Status Effect. They are Explosive Dmg.

[night veldt]

rip

[molten agate]

im tryna build dps shotgun build, is striker better than hunter's fury in dmg?

[subtle bluff]

HB Tinkerer

[fresh yoke]

Just threw together a concentrated company pestilence build.

The tik damage is nice but the actual weapon damage is lacking. Thoughts on increasing weapon damage?

[subtle bluff]

You need stack it up for it to work. There's a guide for Pesti builds in the Build Hub.

Pinned Messages > Gear Sheet 2 > Build Hub

[fresh yoke]

As in stack up the concentrated company 4piece set I’m assuming?

[subtle bluff]

What's your current build with it? (btw we call it CoCo to keep it short)

[fresh yoke]

I’ve already logged off for the night but I’ll post actual % if everything tomorrow.

[subtle bluff]

no you don't have to

The guide will show what's the best way.

[fresh yoke]

Copy that

[modest frigate]

Hey guys, got a quick question, im running a striker build (im kinda new), and was wondering if it would be better to run a shield instead of a protection drone?

[grand girder]

IMO yes shield would be better, you can use it whenever without cooldown unless it breaks and provides temporary cover if you're in a sticky situation

drones just kinda meh

[modest frigate]

ye it feels like it does nothing

anyway to strengthen the shield?

[onyx sage]

getting more blue or yellow cores

[modest frigate]

without sacrificing my crit hit damage etc

[onyx sage]

but the more you do that you lose weapon damage so it's a tradeoff

[modest frigate]

so ideally it wouldnt be worth if im going pure dps?

[onyx sage]

you should look at it as a way to get some little more survivability to finish enemies off

don't try to facetank with it. with red builds you can use good positioning to take little damage and output a ton of damage

[subtle bluff]

Here's the thing. Bullets hurt a lot no matter what you try to do you do not want eat too many of them.

or as mentioned above

[onyx sage]

unironically the best skill for increasing survivability is probably the decoy

[subtle bluff]

Positioning and a good DPS.

[grand girder]

can't die if you aint targeted

[modest frigate]

Hmm okey

so in short terms Drone < Shield then I guess

[subtle bluff]

let me put this way.

[modest frigate]

ah decoy it is xD

[runic rapids]

why do i never get stacks?

[shy willow]

you gain striker stacks by hitting enemies.... idrk what else to tell you😭

[subtle bluff]

don't use Striker Chest too

[runic rapids]

huh? you have to run the 4 bits. or you get 0 striker buff haha.

[runic rapids]

yeah. its annoying af haha.

[subtle bluff]

Referece the clip posted above

[primal cave]

guys will this be okay for my pesti build wep handling instead of crit dmg?

[runic rapids]

is it worth swapping out the p90 for the backfire?

[subtle bluff]

It's ok. GC is really want you want.

[primal cave]

i have a skill issue and dont do well with GC lol will loseing the crit dmg for wep handling be oki?

[subtle bluff]

Yup

[primal cave]

sick ty

[solar sable]

Drop ceska gloves and striker chest, swap them for the other. Ceska chest with Oblit & both crits and Striker gloves.

[solar sable]

The only way to get better with something is with trial and error

[primal cave]

@solar sableu was helping me get everything for my build yesterday i got everything today i got lucky

[subtle bluff]

The Pesti Guide explains it prety well..

[primal cave]

why would i want the guide im just showing someone something

[subtle bluff]

How to build it better

[primal cave]

im fine with this lol

[wispy hollow]

Since you dont do well with GC, arent you better off with the Equalizer chest and Lengmo Holster ? Way less RNG farming.
Isnt perfect obliterate better than Salvo RoF ?

[shy willow]

Rip no GC

[primal cave]

probably but this will do for now this took long enough to farm for

[subtle bluff]

It's why I try to point the guide to help explain that point. Eh.. we can only do so much.

[primal cave]

@wispy hollowi changed it makes scene what u said

[wispy hollow]

Way better. Keep playing with this and get better.
Once confident enough, replace chest with Sacrifice and kneepads with Fox Prayer or leave it as Turmoil

[hexed steppe]

now swap that chest to sacrifice and youre gold

[magic pilot]

It's not turmoil

[hexed steppe]

this is decent for a reg build. ill probably swap the holster to habs, ia, or walker when i farm one, but for now its a rare max roll picaros so it fits

[solar sable]

why determined not in the equation

[onyx sage]

yah gotta use determined how else are ya gonna hit heads

[hexed steppe]

determined makes me physically ill

[solar sable]

but what about meta

[hexed steppe]

its just such a bad talent. like how boring is it wiping areas with toe shots.

[solar sable]

determined would never

[onyx sage]

u just hate fun

[hexed steppe]

mortar supremacy never would have seen the light of day if "meta" actually mattered 🔥

meta only meta till someone finds a better way

[solar sable]

that's basically ninjabike in a nutshell

[hexed steppe]

im just kinda weighing if i want a bit more hsd, a bit more wd, or a bit more dta with my holster

im thinking habs tho for the 1st shot improvement

[hazy steeple]

That's just motion sickness from all the mortar shots 😉

[wispy hollow]

@pine monolith

[magic pilot]

Reviver hive 😤

No glass smh

[runic rapids]

whats going on with this? all of a sudden all my gear is massively out dps'ed by random trash im picking up

[solar sable]

uhm...

that's weapon dmg, not dps

[onyx sage]

look at the rpm too. the "DMG" number isn't everything

[solar sable]

and ofc they will have higher dmg values, shotguns and mmrs have higher dmg values but slower rpm

[runic rapids]

still the spas12 for example was ~250k last night lol.

[onyx sage]

cuz it depends on how much weapon damage your build has

that number scales with your build

[runic rapids]

my build has not changed in the last two days but wep damage has 🙁 def confused by that

[subtle bluff]

This weapon does not do what it says

[shy willow]

this is almost always due to modifiers or group buff shenanigans

builds dont get magically nerfed unless theres a nerf to the gear itself

[gritty flare]

any advice on a backfire build for incursion/open world

[shy willow]

Just take your striker build and throw on backfire

With the buff that backfire got the bleed is pretty redundant

[gritty flare]

but what about the bleed

[solar sable]

who cares about the bleed

[shy willow]

I wouldn't run it in open world though

I pretty much exclusively just have it on for incursion/boss burns

[solar sable]

this is used in incursion as the Strikers Guide states

[shy willow]

At max stacks it's only bleeding you for half your armour

And if you cheese it by bleeding yourself multiple times in a row you'll get immunity for a brief window

[gritty flare]

alr thank you

[shy willow]

Facilitator of many clears

[subtle bluff]

World PvE and Incursion builds aren't the same.

[solar sable]

chow the incursion lord has entered the chat, let him speak.

[subtle bluff]

Naval knows.

[solar sable]

he knows gate strat i dont trust him

[subtle bluff]

OOF

[solar sable]

he abuses gate strat too

[shy willow]

I have triple digits clears, which isn't incredibly impressive but for Xbox standards I consider it as a pretty good indicator of my experience

[shy willow]

Sir

[solar sable]

it's amazing, I forget about you also being above average

[shy willow]

Only in incursion sir

[subtle bluff]

It's the only place that I'm avg at.

[solar sable]

shut up, ur a 🐐

[shy willow]

One day one day

[subtle bluff]

I'm waiting for climax to set a WR

[shy willow]

It's a shame really because nobody really plays the incursion anymore at least on Xbox

Haven't been able to run it in some time

[solar sable]

yeah, I think xbox is the platform with the least amount of online players

[subtle bluff]

I've heard the story and seen a few of the replays

[shy willow]

The days😔

[subtle bluff]

miss old ouro

[shy willow]

Six12 dominance was pretty funny too

[subtle bluff]

don't make cry

[strong cave]

Me with all content except descent and iron horse:

Wrong goddamn reply again I'm getting tired of discord being stupid

[solar sable]

i got confused

[strong cave]

I meant the reply I made to Doomz to be on this one 😭 sorry chow, I goofed up

[slate wedge]

rest u great or rest u shite?

[subtle bluff]

wtf?

[hazy steeple]

I think they are asking if you are better or worse elsewhere, but it's honestly quite hard to read.

[raven pecan]

Hey guys I’m still pretty new to this but any tips on my build I play a more run and gun style

[strong cave]

Our friend bazookas here isn't known to be aggressive, and based on how I read it, it does genuinely feel like he's asking @subtle bluff if there's anything he's genuinely shit at in div. Just probably asked it in a goofy way lol 😂

I'm curious too honestly. What's your guys weakness in div?

I've got issues with those damn cleaner/riker turrets in Brooklyn

[subtle bluff]

You don't want Striker chest other wise not too bad.

If you go to Pinned Message > Sheet 2 > Build Hub > Striker guide you'll find everything

[raven pecan]

Thanks heaps dude, I’d heard striker chest was actually a must as part of the striker build but I’ll deffs do some research cheers man 🫱🏼‍🫲🏾

[subtle bluff]

WHoever said that doesn't know better.

If you scrolll a bit you'll see a video a posted showing of what the meta strikers does.

[raven pecan]

Thanks for your advice man, how do I find pinned messages? 😅

[hazy steeple]

📌 look for that icon.

[subtle bluff]

Mobile you need to click on the channel

[raven pecan]

Thanks guys 🫶

[proper wave]

Striker chest is good for higher difficulties where enemies have more health to build stacks from, it's still good and much easier to farm than other chests but you'd want something like Equaliser/The Sacrifice or Ceska/Grupo with Obliterate/Glass Cannon

[subtle bluff]

Striker Chest is only good if you're know you can time and it's safe to stack. Otherwise it's not worth even then.

[raven pecan]

I am still trying to farm the striker mask and holster just keep getting chests 😅

Speak of the devil I just got a strikers mask 🙏🏻

[subtle bluff]

in countdown?

[raven pecan]

I’m doing targeted loot at the air and space museum

[proper wave]

do countdown on challenging

[raven pecan]

I’ll give it a shot after this lap of the mission 😅

[slate wedge]

i was joking, just asked how you meant it

if you were average in the Incursion and worse at everything else or average in the Incursion and great at everything else

[slate wedge]

Mostly aim, especially in PvP, still trying to figure out my perfect sens

also sweaty hands and overexcitement in speedruns, idk why but i get too ecstatic when I’m on a good run

[alpine lake]

I need serious help with my build i need something like a run and gun build

Or just damage in general for pve i dont get enough damage out of me I get killed in 2 sec

[versed summit]

a HE killer AR and an Obliterate chest piece would do a lot here.

[pastel shard]

hello build man

[alpine lake]

I am a returnt player what does He killer ar mean ?

Or is it just a talent

[shy flume]

Im a returning player that was suggested to build striker. Theres so many different versions how do I know which one is best for min maxing?

Also is pestilence still good? Was my favorite gun before I left would like to use that in a build as well

[shy willow]

High end/gold, killer is a talent

[shy willow]

4 striker, equaliser, overdogs seems to be very popular rn

Alternatively sacrifice instead of equaliser

Pestilence got buffed by extension a while back and is a contender in terms of lmgs now

[shy flume]

Oo thats dope are there lmg specific builds?! Or can i use it on atriker build? And ok im working on farming the chest now so ill look into those gloves after. Ty

[shy willow]

Concentrated company is dominant rn for pesti

[versed summit]

Concentrated company won't work well solo though

[shy willow]

I would imagine the old lengmo one is probably better for that

[shy flume]

I try not to play solo if I can help it 😅 thats how I ended up here looking for people

[alpine lake]

Whats a good pvp build just so i can defend my self in DZ

[runic rapids]

@strong cave the top one. and other bits like that

[magic pilot]

#td2-pvp-discussions message

[magic pilot]

Mask weave, you can craft them

[runic rapids]

@strong cave is this worth doing? over the other optmise route that needs 75 mask weve per?

[magic pilot]

Depends how much you need to optimize it

[strong cave]

depends how much like average here said

id need to see the stats on your coyote mask to tell you if its worth bothering

[runic rapids]

this is the current stats. ive optmized the core 3 times.

[magic pilot]

At this point you might as well optimize it

Chd will need 3 chc will need 2

[runic rapids]

so i should keep doing this painful route lol? i guess time to farm like 400-500 mask weave

[magic pilot]

Few countdowns targeting mask you'll be fine

[strong cave]

aim for about 160 mask weaves, you should have enough for 2 optimizations. then youll need to get more hyena materials

[runic rapids]

you cant control what gets the loot allocation can you?

this has it now

[strong cave]

youll need 25 for the last optimization so getting about 80 will be fine

leaves you with some left over just in case

[magic pilot]

You can for summit, countdown and retaliations

[runic rapids]

is that why they kept giving watches lol. i could not work out where they came from before this.

[hazy steeple]

The watches are unrelated to the Targeted Loot (TL)

they allow you to craft special items via the Crafting Table, such as "reconstructed caches", which let you get blueprints for Named Items, even DZ locked ones (pvp exclusive).

You'll need to buy the blueprints to use the "broken shd watches" from Inaya, the Crafting Vendor lady > then go to your Crafting Table under "Exotic".

[runic rapids]

yeah i kept buying these thinking they were for the item. but they are just for the reconfigure.

[hazy steeple]

Go ahead and buy those anyway, div2 sometimes has weird requirements, and ya never know if you'll need something later on.

[misty walrus]

is this build decent enough?

I just got the overdog blueprint, im still grinding for materials to craft it. Please give me suggestions

[smoky latch]

Looks decent. Once you can craft Overdogs just switch the kneepads to Striker's and use the Overdogs gloves

[runic rapids]

i still really hate striker. im def going to go back to an armour+skill build.

[runic rapids]

is gold the best way to do that?

this one looks good to me.

[smoky latch]

You would need to be a little more specific. We call those "gold" items "high end" or "HE" for short

[magic pilot]

Could go with this but maybe a different chest piece, can add armor cores too

2pc brazos instead of PGC+ sacrifice gives you 2 free blues cores with technician. Then can use a weapon with future perfect and go less skill tiers and more armor

[runic rapids]

what is the blue set? that looks great!

[magic pilot]

Colorblind settings. It's just a green gearset

[runic rapids]

ahh!

[runic rapids]

my load out is already kind of similar.

[magic pilot]

Yea can definitely improve some

[magic pilot]

Dmg numbers

Blue is the turret

[runic rapids]

damn i dont even do that with the maxed sniper thing from sharp shooter

[magic pilot]

@hexed steppe how far off is mortar from one shotting on 4 man scaling?

[alpine lake]

Where do you get that

[magic pilot]

70 exos id be going crazy

[vocal river]

technically from black tusk retaliations… which don’t exist😭 so the only other way is crafting them with broken watches

[hexed steppe]

depending on expertise, mortar supremacy should be like 8-10mil without overcharge, 11-13mil with overcharge. at expertise 30 im at 10/13 max fully stacked and pca procced

idk the numbers off top of my head for heath scaling

[magic pilot]

Sweet thanks

I'm spreading the mortar love

[hexed steppe]

nice

[alpine lake]

How do i get broken watches

[smoky latch]

Retaliations

Those watches can be used to craft other faction materials

[slate wedge]

why?

[vocal river]

other guy already told you but yeah retaliations, one thing he didn’t mention is if you have some of the other faction specific materials for example the biohazardous canisters (seen in the pic he sent) you can use them to craft watches as well. pretty much swapping one material for another

[fresh yoke]

Is the CoCo 4 piece bonus bugged for anyone else or did I break the game? It won't stack on kills

[smoky latch]

It does

But it's currently affected by a visual bug that doesn't always show you the marks and how far it's stacked. Switch one piece of it to sth else and switch back, that works to reset it

[fresh yoke]

ohh

visual bug, cool. Thank you. to be fair I swapped my bluescreen ongoing directive built and put pesti on and it seems to hit really hard between the pesti ticks and then hollow point rounds to cause bleed.

[smoky latch]

Works alright but the 100 round mag of the Pestilence is a let-down for that build

[fresh yoke]

which is a better build then in your opinion coco with pesti?

[magic pilot]

I'm poor

[smoky latch]

I use CoCo Pesti for group play and the Lengmo version for solo play

But you can use CoCo Pesti for solo play as well

[fresh yoke]

thanks, I'm still grinding away countdown and retaliation to get my overdogs. I've been away from the game for a while and just missed out on getting them when they were just in the seasonal track.

[smoky latch]

I feel that, had missed some things as well

[fresh yoke]

I was away from the game for a long time. Playing some decent catch up

[astral crypt]

im looking for the best gearset to use for my EB, need tips on better gear and damage

[magic pilot]

striker

[subtle bluff]

The better tip is not using EB for DPS.

Otherwise striker.

[astral crypt]

is it better using striker fully 4 piece or use 3 piece plus the NB backpack

[subtle bluff]

NBB will always nerfs any builds DPS

[astral crypt]

ahh okay because ive been using that since i got it

[subtle bluff]

Note the clip above and you can see how fast things are melting.

[astral crypt]

yeah i can see that but also that character is max watch level with everything and im not there yet

but i can see why striker is good because i used to run it but i didnt have armor so i always died alot

also what atribute is good for the EB

i got headshot damage on it

[slate wedge]

i have less

[magic pilot]

I think i literally have 1-2

[subtle bluff]

Trust if I weren't lazy and had time I'd get a HC to SHD 100 and do the same thing.

If I could keep my SHD locked at 600 I'd would love it.

I guess I could make a new character and not put watch points in.

[runic rapids]

think im getting somewhere lol

[subtle bluff]

I don't get it.

Refactor would do you better

that or HB

[small junco]

I'm in a low reception zone and I can't load the build sheet right now, which gearset do you use for Mortar Supremacy?

[small junco]

Thanks!

Which Hive is that, Stinger?

[solar sable]

ye

[small junco]

Makes sense. Blow up the stinger to trigger OD on the turret

Question: do you need to be affected by Overdrive before placing a turret for it to benefit? Or does it automatically apply?

[subtle bluff]

it’s (OC) Overcharged. You do not need to OC beforehand. OC when you need the more dog. BTSU OC also refreshes skills.

The guide should explain this.

[small junco]

Thanks!

[misty walrus]

crafting and reconfigure blueprints are 2 different things? i crafted an overdog and got one from loot, but couldnt find anything in the reconfigure menu and there is no any blueprint sold in the whitehouse either

[wispy hollow]

Inaya should sell you the blueprint for reconfiguring if this is the first time you got these gloves (unless glitched)
Its the woman next to the crafting station inside Whitehouse.

[misty walrus]

could be glitched

[grand girder]

try relog if you haven't already done so

[misty walrus]

still doesnt work

[subtle bluff]

The reconfigure for Overdogs is bugged.

[elfin ether]

Is there any good Ortis: Exuro build?

[subtle bluff]

It’s not a great gearset.

[elfin ether]

I know. I'm bored and want to try something new but not sure which chest and backpack talent I should use

[subtle bluff]

Probably near the same as refactor build. I wouldn’t know how to build it…

Since you need Status Effect..

[shy willow]

Run the exuro bag

Chest idk glass cannon or whatever

Not sure if they changed it but exuro bag talent is a team wide amp

[hexed steppe]

stinger also helps with area control. the way you place in a room matters for both mortar and stinger. i usually use to cut off a flank before i aggro. i dont rely on oc for damage all the time, i mean i use it for that, but if i know i have a longer engagement or a second wave is coming right after i finish my mortar ill time it so it can be placed immediatly. itll give me 4 extra shots if i use it while mortar is active, or itll give me 10 shots if i just kill the cooldown on the mortar. hive can usually be rethrown out while still overcharged when oc is triggered

[haughty ferry]

So I am 100% sure this game do NOT like me.. I have grinded target loot on UA for two days now. Are YET TO FIND an Equalizer or Salvo! 😮

[mint axle]

Have you tried countdown?

[haughty ferry]

It's where I'm at :p

Done challenging AND heroic

[strong cave]

You'd think you'd have both by now from the season's rewards track

[haughty ferry]

Sir, you are not wrong about that. But the rolls I got was really, really bad 🙂

[strong cave]

I'm assuming you need crit, and likely you got zero crit or your crit rolls were horrendous

[hexed steppe]

you need more Lootcifer sacrifices if you want favorable RNG. i hear tier 6 stinger hives at the start of countdown extractions works well...
🔥 😈 🔥

[strong cave]

Lately it's been refactor builds leaving their turret and drone lying around so we get instantly melted

[hexed steppe]

run some retaliations with target selected to change it up

[haughty ferry]

I will sacrifice what ever to even see one of them 😄 hahaha

[haughty ferry]

Yes, sir!

[magic pilot]

Just craft it 😁

[slate wedge]

Reconstructed caches hate me

i only want Matador blueprint and i opened so many already yet i only get everything else

[magic pilot]

I managed to get matador, still need emperors but I have all the ones I want

[hazy steeple]

The good news is, that once you get one, you clear it out of the pool.

[magic pilot]

There's only like 100+ in the pool

[hazy steeple]

Just a few Retaliations.

[magic pilot]

2-3 at least

[hazy steeple]

No more than 5, surely.

[slate wedge]

is there an excel for all blueprints one can get?

[slate wedge]

Yeah around that, and don’t call me Shirley please.

[hazy steeple]

@wispy stump You're looking for #lfg-td2incursion-console, GL Agent

[magic pilot]

Yea hold up

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQZF6R-PYMsz9UeqCRCktZ3GW05T60Tru_BCU0J4VGSDrsB_ipKCPBNDmeSwOuQ-vigsh8h73d8Kcso/pubhtml

[gloomy spruce]

Its what I do for almost all my named items.

[wispy stump]

Thank you agent

[jade oracle]

For named grinding do you brandset target or piece? (ie. equalizer target UA or chest, which is better?)

probably UA since the named pool is lower and you wanted salvo as well I guess.

[smoky latch]

Brand always, exactly for that reason

[jade oracle]

Does targetted have any impact on exotic drops, ie summit legendary farm?

I need overdogs still

[smoky latch]

Yeah but not much influence. I don't have any numbers tho

You currently cannot get their reconfigure blueprint tho, it's bugged. So if you get a pair to drop you have to optimize it all the way. In case you get really bad rolls it might be better to farm for the crafting blueprint in Hyena Retaliations.

[jade oracle]

Yea i have been farming the retals as much as possible. I only have a few blueprints for outcast/hyenas in my loot pool.

[smoky latch]

Random drop, keep doing Hyena Retaliations

[frozen hull]

Matador had a blueprint ?

[onyx sage]

yes

[slate wedge]

yeah you can get it from reconstructed caches, you can nearly get every named item blueprint from those

you can get reconstructed caches from descent and retaliations

[frozen hull]

Ah ok nice thanks

[jade oracle]

reconstruction for retals is by using the mats to craft right? descent has drop change and vendor to buy them from.

[hazy steeple]

@jade oracle Correct, you use the faction mats to craft "broken SHD watch bundles", and then make reconstructed caches.
no matter how you get one, each contains one random named item, and one named item blueprint.

[jade oracle]

Just confirming the sources, I have not need some drop from a retal directly. I did see that the cache was craftable. I didn't realize it would drop the named blueprints.

[hazy steeple]

You do also get broken shd watches from Retal' itself, so you kinda stack them up quite fast.

[jade oracle]

This helps me save my NSA currency for buffs and the appreal.

Yup, I used mine recently to convert over to the automated turret to craft Vile

[hazy steeple]

(and the Vindicator, but dw no one else remembers it exists either 😿 )

[jade oracle]

I didn't even know about it since I am just returning. Descent is new to me. I stopped playing (on console) around the launch of countdown.

[hazy steeple]

ooh while back.
Yeah Descent is fun if you enjoy Rogue-lite modes, but it can be pretty brutal.

[jade oracle]

I really do like it, I beat nemi once and was aware of the named blueprints but not the exotic. Exciting.

[abstract sandal]

Morning - Is concentrated company any good as a hybrid skill build? So 5 skill + 1 tech and then perfect overwatch on chest (for group buff), perfect vigilance on backpack?

[alpine lake]

I need sum help with that build is there something to change

[solar sable]

ceska vest with Oblit for the CHC and... you're good
show the stats page pls

[astral kraken]

yea go ceska. that chd is too low.

when you max out your watch you can go back to equalizer if you want.

[alpine lake]

Oh ok

[astral kraken]

your chc is good tho

[alpine lake]

Thanks

[solar sable]

yup

[astral kraken]

it should be like 57/120 or something like that

57/108 with equalizer

[solar sable]

solid build for solo ngl
I only see those once every 10 years

[astral kraken]

its tough out there man

[alpine lake]

Hey thanks man i am a returning player so its good to hear that

[solar sable]

we mostly see ninjabike 3pc UA, Backfire Hazpro, useless tanks and many more

[astral kraken]

few more things you can do:

• for your secondary: use an smg-9 (not the A2) or a tac vector. put the unwavering talent on it. or use an lmg. anything but another AR so you have another ammo pool to pull from.
• for your pistol try to get a quickstep. if that's a kard custom you don't need determined on it. put finisher on it.
• experiment with dropping reviver hive for a useful skill. emp sticky, decoy, banshee pulse, regular pulse, etc. having a strong skill besides shield is really helpful.

[solar sable]

then you matchmake and find atrocities like this

[onyx sage]

it's so good

[solar sable]

where is average

[onyx sage]

gone. now i'm mediocre

[carmine compass]

Worth replacing a maxed out Ceska Obliterate chest with Equalizer?

Just it being 10s seems pretty good

[solar sable]

NOOOOO

[onyx sage]

both normal and perfect are 10s now

[runic rapids]

cant be so bad. look at the shd level lol

[carmine compass]

Oh then the build tool is wrong, nevermind then, can't imagine its worth the hassle

[solar sable]

shd level means nothing if you don't have the knowledge
Knowledge > SHD level

[runic rapids]

ehh. i hate striker. so im automatically bad if you listen to the people in this chat lol. but i absoutely love the game with my current gear set. 🤣

[solar sable]

I wouldn't call someone bad for not using strikers, I main TS but I know Strikers potential

[strong cave]

I hardly use strikers and I have 2k hours @ 18.8k SHD

Been mainly using high end brand set type builds tbh

[jade oracle]

I prefer HE over strikers because it does not rely on the stacks.

[onyx sage]

most content you can do completely fine without striker, but striker does give you an edge because of the extra effort you have to make to run it

[gloomy spruce]

Its not really about not using striker being bad. The problem is that some of the images you have posted have some issues.

I explained this in another discord, but the current build system penalizes you for not pushing your secondary attributes into a particular direction. You can possibly blend 2 colors together, but often your secondaries need a strong consistent direction. This is especially true if you use gear sets. Gear sets have fewer secondary attributes and hence require more consistent focus.

This game's current build system punishes players who try to create a "do everything" build. You either have to support hybrid builds with multiple talents, exotic gear pieces, or weapon talents.

The higher the difficulty, the more secondary stats and talents matter.

This is a RPG, your stats are a crucial part of becoming stronger in addition to your own personal abilities.

If you want to create a crit dps build. Your secondaries have to be in crit chance first to hit as close to 60% as possible and then pushed into crit damage.

If you are wanting to snipe, headshot damage needs to be the focus followed by weapon handling.

If you want to use a drone/turret, then skill damage followed by other yellow stats to support that choice.

Hazard Protection builds need to hit as close to the peak levels to be effective so that means sacrificing something else in your build.

Every choice in a build matters the higher up you climb in difficulty.

[solar sable]

So... I tried your shotty build and I must say I kinda like it

[gloomy spruce]

Shotty builds are fun. HHF and Crit HF are my personal favorites on Federal Emergency bunker.

Shotguns were criminally underated for a while in this game.

[onyx sage]

but sir, i thought shotguns have no range

oh no i'm not average player anymore i can't make these jokes.

[gloomy spruce]

🙄

[solar sable]

why? just why? 😭

[gloomy spruce]

He may have hit a hard sarcasm cap. I've had that happen in this channel before myself.

[copper yarrow]

Why is the capacitor recommended for umbra PvP build instead of elmos or other ARs

[subtle bluff]

DTA built in and high Base WD

[cerulean smelt]

Someone see you running elmo will probably just goto haz pro making you useless damage wise

[runic rapids]

im not going for crit dps. all my primaries are armor/skill. secondaries are all skill/armor.

[onyx sage]

he's giving examples of build archetypes and how the secondary stats synergize with them.

he's not talking about your build specifically

[gloomy spruce]

Armor regen on a secondary roll, correct?

The game also has a few "dead stats" many of these are in the blue category. Health is one of those stats as is Armor Regen based on a specific value - ex: ~4k per second. Armor on Kill mods themselves do not work at all.

Typically a single piece of belstone which gives 1% armor regen and an Emperors Guard which also gives 1% armor regen is the better choice for Armor Regen skill builds. That 2 percent armor regen grants 16k regen per second on a 800k Armor build. If you use more blue cores, that goes up to significantly.

Weapon handling used to be a dead stat, but increasingly the devs have been putting effort to alleviate that. Still it does not help as much with crit builds in many cases.

[stark dawn]

Weapon handling is widely used for headshot builds, particularly with console/controller.

[gloomy spruce]

Yep, pretty much for snipers and builds that depend on Headshots for damage

Although, WH is good for shotguns and LMGs

[strong cave]

So did it hit or did it hit?

[strong cave]

Don't need weapon handling when you know how to abuse tf out of aim-snapping onto heads. Especially with a controller

It's just nice to have really

[stark dawn]

Yes, that too, e.g. the Iron Horse LMG pipe build. But what I meant is that people before Hotshot had double D&H and double Airaldi builds with the original brand set, so handling was a thing. And no, in those specific instances snapping doesn’t help, e.g. for hitting chunga through doors.

[shy willow]

That's before habs and such though so there was nothing better to roll

Even now realistically handling is only there because there's nothing more useful

[stark dawn]

Though strictly speaking, Habsburger came far after Hotshot, which solved the handling issue (and obviated any remaining uses of Aces). Also Double-Habsburger and Habsburger/Providence are slightly different directions vs. Airaldi/Chainkiller, which are all still used.

[subtle bluff]

Yues you're changing the context of the conversation that's suppose to be helping a new player.

[stark dawn]

It veered a bit away, but the statement that handling used to be a dead attribute was just plainly wrong.

[subtle bluff]

It's pretty much dead in normal PvE.

[hexed steppe]

unless you actually use a scope

[subtle bluff]

You're bring in Raid and Speed Strats which for a new player is beyond anything they need to know yet.

Weapon Handling being choose has a primary stats over other isn't a thing

Not a dead stats.

I'm being nice here. Plz let's not start.

[stark dawn]

I think you have a very limited scope of PvE. Players do PvE with headshot builds, even encountered a new player who did his SHD 1-1000 that way with open world activities

[solar sable]

can two shot an elite with a headshot, kinda nice for the bonus armor so... I'd say it hits

[subtle bluff]

AGAIN not the context of this conversation that you decided to interject yourself into.

[fresh fox]

iron horse

[subtle bluff]

"Limited" eh?

[fresh fox]

yea he owned u chow back down.

[shy willow]

Before determined headshot builds were nowhere near as prevalent

[fresh fox]

kidding!

u r a respectable player mrchow

[hexed steppe]

make hh great again

[silent storm]

I like my WH Striker build with mag fed LMG

[fresh fox]

its so great thanks turmoil

[shy willow]

Like WH has always been a thing on headhunter builds but outside of that it's dead

Which I'm pretty sure was the original point

[fresh fox]

on headshot dps builds its used but like those are still rare to use

[subtle bluff]

You're thought process for this. Again like I said WH being a primary stats over HSD or something in normal PvE isn't there.
If you don't do enough HSD to one shot then what's the point of doing a HH build?

[stark dawn]

PvP players do use double W&H

[shy willow]

I think times already iterated this but anything that doesn't tangibly improve dps kinda gets left in the dust

[fresh fox]

not the same thing

[subtle bluff]

Again context stop taking it out of context to the subject at hand.

[shy willow]

PvP meta is completely different

[fresh fox]

wh = weapon handling
w&h = walker and harris

[stark dawn]

Apologies

[fresh fox]

nws

[runic rapids]

yeah im trying to get emeline's guard at the moment since it gives armour regen on kill. plus the mask im using regens 50% armour. so with that gun id have 150% regen per minute if im dealing enough damage/doing enough killing.

[subtle bluff]

Sorry what? "150% regen per minute"??????

[shy willow]

What on earth

[subtle bluff]

Where are you getting number from?

[stark dawn]

Perfect Preservation repairs 15% over 5 s, but it does not mean you get 150%. You will need to line up essentially 12 adds over 60 s perfectly for that.

[runic rapids]

mask alone is 50% of that lol. 6x4950s + stack with guard. and drone gets really really high.

[subtle bluff]

Again.. how are you getting % number for per/min?

[shy willow]

In addition to catharsis heal being quite unreliable, perf preservation only heals 15 percent

[subtle bluff]

These are Individual different stats.

[shy willow]

You're gonna have to be racking kills up too which if you build for regen is going to be quite difficult

[hexed steppe]

pve or pvp?

[shy willow]

Which is why it's most efficient to cut out the middleman and just build for damage

[shy willow]

PvE

[hexed steppe]

better off with memento

[fresh fox]

stop ur making too much sense

[shy willow]

They've posted a number of builds lately

But our advice never gets taken😭

[hexed steppe]

situation normal

[stark dawn]

Also remember cooldown for Unbreakable is 60 s, so if you are planning to replenish armor over 60 s there are other ways to get it.

[runic rapids]

the fact i had over 100 deaths in 2 hours with striker tells me all i need to know. ive had 2 since i swapped back to a mixed armor/skill.

i hated striker. and still do.

[subtle bluff]

It's not a build issues at that rate but gameplay and playstyle. Can I ask what difficulty you're playing?

[shy willow]

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but it's a skill/playstyle issue, not a gear issue

[runic rapids]

the max. i can sleep walk through legandary solo with this build. cant even roll hard with striker lol.

[shy willow]

Striker is meant for high risk/reward play

[hexed steppe]

face tanking ftw

[subtle bluff]

I am sorry you're not walking thru legendary solo with that build.

[shy willow]

As is basically every damage focused setup

[hexed steppe]

make tanks great again

[shy willow]

Gimme my classy d3 back 🙏

Broken as hell but idc tanks are suffering

[hexed steppe]

-# I'll see myself out

[subtle bluff]

You're not solo'ing legendary on this build and at your SHD level. I will call you out on that.

[cosmic wing]

What even are tanks builds, foundry? I never see them

[shy willow]

Precisely

[stark dawn]

That single yellow mod is really the pièce de résistance…

[subtle bluff]

soo many things...

[shy willow]

Unicorn sokolov chest the goat

[stark dawn]

Oh, that too, though I really want to verify it’s skill haste and skill damage…

[shy willow]

Like I still haven't been able to solo a legendary on an all red

Furthest I've ever made it is drug lab

So saying you're able to walk through one with that train wreck is insulting😭

[subtle bluff]

To be fair it's a new players build. It w/e but to say you're walking thru solo leggo is just a BS statement.

[stark dawn]

Though slightly more seriously: There are better skill builds out there, like without Sokolov and less amount of Brazos (other than maybe Picaro’s).

[hexed steppe]

regular refactor can get through most content

[shy willow]

This is part of the issue tbh, the purpose of the build isn't clear

[hexed steppe]

and has a lot more "regen/heals"

[shy willow]

Has obliterate, wants to do damage

Has galv/cath, wants to tank

Has a bunch of skill tiers, wants good skills

[hexed steppe]

no tier 6 shield

[subtle bluff]

It is teir 6

[shy willow]

Pack it up runs dead

[subtle bluff]

Remember Shield Tier go off of both Blue and Yellow

[cosmic wing]

6 5.11 might be better

[hexed steppe]

no ninja 😔

[stark dawn]

I think particularly if Emily can get hold of an Emperor’s Guard and then build e.g. with another Murakami, Ninja Bike backpack, plus Picaro’s, two Empress, she (?) will enjoy the increased skill damage and also the 1% armor regen. And not a single brand bonus will have been wasted.

[subtle bluff]

@runic rapids this maybe what you're looking for.

[shy willow]

I had a goofy ass 6 blue HB setup with cham that was quite fun for a while with the sharpshooter drone

[subtle bluff]

I'm still all about HF Cham.

[shy willow]

It's unironically a fun gun when you lean into it, but obviously not as competitive for serious applications

[subtle bluff]

I want to try but I hate the unable to refresh without doing exo gloves or something

[shy willow]

I forgot it refreshes out of combat

Could be interesting

[wispy hollow]

My new fav lol 🤣

[subtle bluff]

That's a good one.

[subtle bluff]

Is that a unicorn chest?

[solar sable]

again with the unicorn flex I'm so sick of unicorns

[hexed steppe]

told ya 😎

Nego Gang, Rise Up!!!

[grand girder]

might not be, could be a chd WH or chc WH you never know unless its shown

[modest frigate]

Does anyone have anything fun to build that doesnt involve striker, and involves an exotic wep? 🙂

[timid marten]

Hi everyone,
Could you give me any advice on the build i should farm. I don't know if striker is still good or not??
Thxx

[grand girder]

very happy with my chc chd glass palisade chest though ❤️

[grand girder]

is troll or fr? 6 piece does nothing you only need 4

[subtle bluff]

why does have to involve exo waepons?

[solar sable]

shd 133 chill lol

[modest frigate]

Just like how they look ingame

[solar sable]

might be a div1 player

[subtle bluff]

It's a start at least

[timid marten]

Don't know much about the game my bad

[grand girder]

yeah but it's shown in description so I'd like to know if ragebait or not

[solar sable]

chill baby

[grand girder]

nah you're good man

[subtle bluff]

My start guides says to do 6 pcs at first

[solar sable]

it's good to have all 6 pieces bc of Incursion or chest setups

[timid marten]

Absolutely not I really like the game

[subtle bluff]

There are plenty of builds. TS, Nego, CoCo etc etc. There all in the build hub

[timid marten]

You have a start guide?

[solar sable]

it's a WIP but almost done

[wispy hollow]

Yes sir. My one and only.

[modest frigate]

Where do I find the build hub?

[solar sable]

pinned Spreadsheet

[modest frigate]

Thanks!

[subtle bluff]

Lucky..

[grand girder]

well I'd equip reviver hive if you have it much more useful than restorer and swap shield for decoy if you have it, swap out striker chest for a ceska or united alloy chestpiece with crit attributes and obliterate talent (when you can farm one of course)

[grand girder]

and then its exotic grinding time, you can aim for a coyotes mask or overdogs gloves for optimal damage but others can work aswell, these are just the most commonly used because of the strength they give

[solar sable]

@timid marten take a look at this

[subtle bluff]

loook at you setting up a foward thing too

[solar sable]

It is quite useful, I learned from the best

[subtle bluff]

Working on a new striker info guide

Still need to fill then add text.

[solar sable]

I'm gonna be a little inactive these days due to college but I'll see if I can help anytime

[subtle bluff]

Gonna use most of IC3SO stuff it'll be a WIP

[burnt bone]

Would it be cursed for me to use a unit alloy chest with normal obliterate 👉👈🥺

For coyote

[subtle bluff]

I mean you can.

Normally that's a slightly harder farm since for P. Obli you only need one stats to be Crit.

[burnt bone]

I ask because I got one with obliterate, chc, and chd while trying to get equilizer

And idk how much longer it’ll take me to get the actual thing ;-;

[grand girder]

equalizer is still better no? like 4 extra TWD or something

[subtle bluff]

Use what you have and keep farming up

[grand girder]

it would just be more a meme type thing if you had both options available

but if you can't be bothered grinding it will still perform well just not the best it can be

[burnt bone]

Yeah I just spent a few hours in countdown with no luck but I’ll try again tomorrow if it’ll make a big difference

But I still need a mask so I might skip equalizer for now 😔

[stark dawn]

Take someone (or more) with you. There is always the suspicion in the game by players that the drop rate improves when someone targets the loot and already has it.

[grand girder]

can't beat rng

[subtle bluff]

There is?

[hazy steeple]

I can confirm that is not the case, what is happening there is that they can give it to you, because they don't need it.

[solar sable]

the voices told me

[burnt bone]

I think I’d rather listen to the voices instead but thank you <3

[hazy steeple]

Don't be mean, a lot of weird rumours float around such a math heavy game.
like how I'd bet 90% of players don't know you can shoot grenades out of mid-air.

[stark dawn]

Not voices, also suspicion from e.g. groups farming Summit for players recovering lost HC characters.

[hazy steeple]

100% false.

Roll dice 100 times and you can get the same roll, it doesn't mean that you will get it at 101.

[burnt bone]

I imagine there’s also some confirmation bias at play

[stark dawn]

Yes, that’s why I explicitly said “suspicion”. Also the game does have gating of certain drops until a new player either completes some projects or receives the first one shared by another player (Capacitor, Nemesis, etc.).

[grand girder]

yeah but the drop rate doesn't improve though, its still random you just have better odds because of more people a guy farming 10 times verses a group of 5 farming 2 times have the same chances

[subtle bluff]

The only thing I've seen is some players have a different RNG for some items than others but in the overall RNG it still RNG.

[hazy steeple]

Even that, it's al the same. Just pure and simple luck.

If you want to weight your RNG, the 2 ways to do it are:
directives.
sheer loot numbers.

[grand girder]

yeah this is definitely true, I got 11 max headshot mods before I got a single CHD max, my console character was the complete opposite

[subtle bluff]

to some degree I think there is but it's not true all the time.

[burnt bone]

Also when the spreadsheet say the source for smth is “targeted loot” does that mean I can get it from countdown

[grand girder]

yeah

targeted loot is on all maps but in modes like countdown and retaliations you can select it rather than praying to the rng gods it applys to a specific zone

oh and summit, but who tf plays summit

[subtle bluff]

There's farm guide in there too

[solar sable]

uhm...

[stark dawn]

Everybody who needs legendary level loot (mods and Big Horn)

[molten agate]

is oxidizer affected by skill dmg or status effect?

[solar sable]

skill dmg as oxi ain't a status effect

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't apply a status effect. It's just cloud of Skill Dmg

[solar sable]

IIRC it's also affected by DTOC, DTA and Weapon dmg cores (?) idk I'm just trying to hit the bullseye

[subtle bluff]

Wish no WD others are right

[molten agate]

thx all

[native plume]

Haz Protection does include Explosives right?

[shy willow]

No

Haz is status effects, explosives have explosive resistance

[native plume]

Oof

[stark dawn]

Maybe useful also to clarify: This applies to the other types of damaging skills (turrets, etc.), not just Oxi. And conversely, certain weapon handling talents do apply to the chem and sticky launcher, but obviously not turrets.

[shy willow]

Oxi is the only skill to be affected by dttooc

DTA also applies to explosives and fire but nothing else

[glass torrent]

if you were gonna stack 2 rifles skills, which would you stack? (for abridged)

[grand girder]

probably boomerang and streamline

[glass torrent]

yeah that was the other combo I was thinking but I want to be able to use skills

also thought about breadbasket and marksman

or rifleman whatever it's called

[grand girder]

could run flatline+ boomerang with a spotter chestplate

and then run the attachment from one of the specs (cant think of it right now) that applies pulse

[glass torrent]

link laser

I mean I always run pulse anyway

[grand girder]

yeah but with it flatline will always be used and not useless when pulse is on cooldown

[glass torrent]

fair fair

[karmic zodiac]

Just got regulus what's a good build with it?

[glass torrent]

also what you think for MMRs?

[grand girder]

hunters fury/ high end

[subtle bluff]

The better Rifle DPS rifle build is OD Tinkerer

[subtle bluff]

You want drop Tinkerer for Overdogs

[glass torrent]

overdogs are better?

[glass torrent]

hmm ok

oh you're mrchow, I've seen you before

[subtle bluff]

I'm around

[glass torrent]

mister chad

[subtle bluff]

😅

[onyx sage]

he's the goat

[subtle bluff]

Sir... I can't stay alive without exo gloves.

[glass torrent]

never used them

so you talm bout some freaky stuff like this?

[grand girder]

I'm so used to seeing average this is such a weird sighting for me lmao

[glass torrent]

mister chow what mmr would you run

shroud any good?

[solar sable]

white death, m700, m700 carbon or SR-1 are great options
For Exotics Shroud and Mantis

I got off Determined and it's not boring anymore

[glass torrent]

ok cool, I used to run a mantis build

[solar sable]

although I ONLY use it for cheesing Summit
Outside of Summit, Shroud and White Death with Streamline

[glass torrent]

ok here's what I got
would there be a better bag?

[grand girder]

not that I know of (assuming thats a gift backpack)

[stark dawn]

Airaldi. People who invest a lot of farming (two unicorns), sometimes the chest/backpack Habsburg is used.

[grand girder]

@subtle bluff is more WD better than HSD in this case? genuinely curious

[glass torrent]

yeah it's the gift

[glass torrent]

a cherished?

[subtle bluff]

MMR's a ton of HSD already and also HH scales to WD.

[subtle bluff]

It in the build I posted

[stark dawn]

No, both are non-named, with regular Headhunter and regular Vigilance.

[glass torrent]

oh ok gotcha

what about this

[subtle bluff]

Stash.

It's rare to use but when it comes up it's good.

[glass torrent]

yeah I mean I try to keep one of everything but I've never found a use for it yet

here's what I got

[grand girder]

#td2-build-advice message

[subtle bluff]

It use to be the Meta. In some sense it's actually the highest boost for any WD base that can use x8 scope. Well other than HH..

[grand girder]

these are the pieces but they are a huge waste of time because the buff is almost negligible compared to the time spent in obtaining them

[magic pilot]

I think Fox>hotshot knees

[subtle bluff]

I haven't sat down to see what else can be added.

[solar sable]

wouldn't the first shot be high but the following ones lower? I understood something like that a while ago

[glass torrent]

well it does good damage but cqb is kicking my ass

[subtle bluff]

I'd think so

[grand girder]

don't bring a 50.cal to a knife fight xD

[solar sable]

what's the 3rd shot with 3pc hotshot?

[jade oracle]

Is hotshot new? Seen a few builds with similar end goal that is not running them. Are they just old or is HE option better?

Also if you don't have overdogs what is alternative?

[subtle bluff]

4pc hotshot works fine

[solar sable]

not that new and it deals greater dmg than HE AFAIK; 4pc hotshot is absolutely fine

[jade oracle]

Yea I think I was seeing some of older ones or pistol specific because it was using dodge city the holster I haven't crafted yet.

[solar sable]

as expected, third shot w/foxs is indeed lower

[subtle bluff]

Hotshot is specifically for MMR's

[subtle bluff]

let me do with overdogs proc

[jade oracle]

That would be why I think I was seeing more deterministic builds and they could work on pistol orMMR

[solar sable]

and what about 3pc hotshot + foxs or was it that? lol

[solar sable]

I'm excited to learn

[subtle bluff]

UGH STOP CRIT

[glass torrent]

So really I should just do 4 piece hotshot

[subtle bluff]

UH...

AMP... shit does stuff...

It makes sense... wait

[solar sable]

if Overdogs are not available for you yet then yes

[glass torrent]

I have overdogs

[solar sable]

it makes a lot of sense

[glass torrent]

stack both?

[solar sable]

foxs 1st and 2nd were high but fell off against overdogs 3rd respectively

[solar sable]

wdym?

[subtle bluff]

NVM.........

[solar sable]

okay!

[glass torrent]

4 piece hotshot + overdogs

[solar sable]

so Overdogs are great if you can keep the lowest rank amp... but fox's are far more consistent?

[shy willow]

forces you to waste slot on hotshot bag

[subtle bluff]

It just ensure you get the first shot kill on reds.

[shy willow]

so ideally no

[glass torrent]

so fine as is

[subtle bluff]

One sec

[solar sable]

airaldi bag and chef's 💋

[glass torrent]

dunno if I have one

[solar sable]

although I would run m870 with Brazen as backup

well, I do run m870

[glass torrent]

yeah I outta swap the dark winter fo sho

[subtle bluff]

Oh... 30% amp does stuff...

[solar sable]

f yeah

[subtle bluff]

GOD I hate the range

[jade oracle]

What is the command to get dmg into chat?

[subtle bluff]

Woah..

[glass torrent]

rate this freaky

[subtle bluff]

I hate the range

[solar sable]

click the + icon right next to your chat box then Combat something then DMG Numbers

[subtle bluff]

It was an old thing. It's hard due how long times the proc needs to happen

[solar sable]

isn't this Diamond Dilemma?

[subtle bluff]

Didn't need HH

The Crits did enough as it is

I wonder if I can play it better now that I am decent.

[glass torrent]

diamond dog

[solar sable]

decent he says... smh...

[glass torrent]

tbh I don't build my builds from youtube or anything I just play and figure stuff out

[subtle bluff]

Not bad

[solar sable]

I mean your attempts are far more consistent and better than what ytbers showcase

[glass torrent]

yay

[subtle bluff]

this...

make this hard to do leggo

[glass torrent]

yeah it's baller for ND

[subtle bluff]

It's fun on heroic but things don't ahve enough HP for it to be cooool

ND go wild tho when used with good playstyle with it

[glass torrent]

I use it for support

good against black tusk dogs

I keep trying for bulwark dps builds but I haven't found one I like yet

[jade oracle]

Does ND dmg transfer work for whole squad or just person running ND?

[glass torrent]

only ND user

[subtle bluff]

It's been tried a lot of from players doing FB when you get the leggo content things hit too hard for it be worth

[glass torrent]

I mean it's not terrible but it is

[glass torrent]

momento HB ?

[subtle bluff]

Memento yes.

[glass torrent]

hm

also you got a good crowd control build?

[glass torrent]

never seen a birdie I don't think

[subtle bluff]

Kelso Manhunt

[glass torrent]

maybe I have it

[glass torrent]

I'll have to look

[slate wedge]

fun in Incursion (Courtyard)

[subtle bluff]

Can wait for Sheriff

[slate wedge]

idk if it’s even gonna be that good tbh

[subtle bluff]

It is.

It does more and is faster

[slate wedge]

even with the 35% amp it has less damage than an m870 with any talent right?

and aim time seemed to be pretty meh

[subtle bluff]

35% amp?

Sheriff 526,412.0 160
M870 703,672.0 75
Diamondback 386,988.5 100
Super 90 389,936.0 160

[glass torrent]

sherrif the new shotgun?

[subtle bluff]

For climax

[slate wedge]

well, i think it is 35% more Base WD right?

i just call it amp because it acts like an amp buff

[subtle bluff]

No it doesn't if were an AMP it would be broken.

[slate wedge]

why is that?

[subtle bluff]

Math

[slate wedge]

explain pls

[subtle bluff]

anyhoo the showed shows why Sherrif will replace Diamondback

[glass torrent]

🙁

diamondback got range

[subtle bluff]

This is for speedruns purposes.

[slate wedge]

sheriff got infinite range

[subtle bluff]

I'll do the math later.

[buoyant kraken]

Alright so @subtle bluff I do have sacrifice chest but not wyvern backpack. I personally don't like momento. I am still a new player as I have 130 hours in the game total. I maxed out all my gear in tinkering system I have a few weapon stats left and im currently proff 6.

Does sacrifice increase the skills damage aswell with 30%? And can I use hana backpack with sacrifce as the second Refactor HE build? I actually think its combined arms I have equiped on my hana backpack. Not 100% sure

Waveform is 30% skill damage but it keeps switching between both. Would the 30% damage increase from sacrifice do better? As I lose 15% extra repairing from replacing chest and 30% skill damage is just replaced with normal 30% overall damage.

[subtle bluff]

PGC is ALL sources of dmg that'd you do.

Waveform is acutally a trap for skill builds.

[slate wedge]

but isn’t increasing Base WD by 35% the same thing as having the normal value plus Perfect Sadist for example?

[subtle bluff]

Let me math it later and with a build for you just to show.

[slate wedge]

aight, thx

[subtle bluff]

I need to update my speedrun build guides anyways.

[buoyant kraken]

Alright but the 15% bonus repair from replacing the chest won't really matter as I will be doing 30% more damage on BOTH skills instead of just 1 at a time basically?

[glass torrent]

what

[subtle bluff]

The only reason I say this Bazooka my testing with Sheriff was MUCH better than any other weapons when doing HHF solo leggo

[slate wedge]

no damage drop-off and great accuracy

[glass torrent]

guh

need

[subtle bluff]

it's not just 30% more it's AMP which is new number in the math formula so.

[subtle bluff]

The issues for normal gameplay is reloading... hurts..

[glass torrent]

use the parkour kneepads

or cent scabbard

[subtle bluff]

It's a single reload.

Yeah scabbard could it's not fun to try to keep up correctly tho

I've actually never tried kneepads reload on non mag weapons.

[glass torrent]

(it work)

[subtle bluff]

Believe it. Just harder to use when you don't have something to parkour on

There will be a lot of theorycrafting when it comes out

[glass torrent]

yeah yeah

[subtle bluff]

In my purpose is for HHF or speeds.

[glass torrent]

that's what I love

I also wanna build a pistol build

[subtle bluff]

HHF is my go to. There a few of them out there.

[glass torrent]

damn that shotgun is actually cool

I don't have the birdie bag

[stark dawn]

I think this is actually quite wrong. The PGC raises your damage by 30%, meaning the repair received (by teammates) is 1.3 × 0.2 = 0.26 times the base damage, vs. wearing the Refractor chest, you get 1 × 0.35 = 0.35 times the base damage.

[subtle bluff]

But also doing more dmg so things die faster require just requires less healing to be needed.

[stark dawn]

Well, this goes into what I was referring to over in #ask-td2-community , Refractor is 0.2 or 0.35 × skill damage, hence you will sacrifice the repair if you want to raise the DPS — even via the route of PGC. You can only do the kind of trade-off being suggested here if Refractor would repair close to 100% of the skill damage.

[wispy hollow]

I think skill wise Kinetic Momentum does more damage so group members get healed more but with PGC/GC our weapons also do more damage so thats an added benefit

Since Refactor is more of a support build I play, I am a big fan of Emphatic Resolve

[subtle bluff]

PGC/GC is amp don't forget so it's AMP for Skill DMG>

[wispy hollow]

Wait I thought after the Kinetic M buff, it was better to run that over PGC ?

[subtle bluff]

No. It's Skill Dmg stacking

[wispy hollow]

Aaah that makes sense

[subtle bluff]

But you're actually more right for this context. If they want to support more Emphatic is the answer

[stark dawn]

The kinetic momentum is definitively wrong. Refractor does not count as skill repair, and does not “double dip” kinetic momentum.

[glass torrent]

anyone got a good use for ridgeway's pride? I've got an idea but curious as to other's thoughts

[wispy hollow]

No no I was refering to Kinetic M doing more skill damage.

More skill damage = more Refactor healing

I dont event run that talent on my Refactor. I usually run mine like this

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/GwZgtAnGAMNgjOWy4ragXAJng3VZEwBWY1c9NbLPSOIrJC5q0O2GylljYAFnbcuw3rAJCJVRlGCQAHAlKKA7ItnxiCytmK4xs4RQyGTGYsckwLJmEA

[stark dawn]

Well, the same analysis goes as I did for PGC. You need to find a talent with 75% skill damage boost to offset 0.35/0.2 = 1.75.

[wispy hollow]

Stash it for posterity or dismantle for exo component

[subtle bluff]

Ok.. Refactor is a hybrid by all means. Not just by cores.

It does dmg to do heal.

If you're in to wanting to heal more refactor is not the way.

[glass torrent]

but but

[subtle bluff]

Stop exp your armor past 12. It's not worth

It only gives % to the base armor not the core.

[glass torrent]

I used to use this thing all the time lol

[grand girder]

you can go upto exp 12 without spending exo comps

[glass torrent]

yeah I go up to 12 for all that I actually use

[grand girder]

after that only do so if you no longer need to spend exo comps on weapons and have extra for a main gearset you like

[glass torrent]

the gotdam

[subtle bluff]

Just wanted to note if you go back to the build guide i posted to you there are 3 builds. Emphatic Resolve would be the best for focus support.

[subtle bluff]

rip if you ever wanted to do speeds for a few roles.

[glass torrent]

what do you mean xd

[subtle bluff]

Pulse will disable a do weird with other are trying to use Achilles Pulse.

The Duration last too long when exp on it and it creates issues in speedruns

[glass torrent]

well good thing I never speedrun ig

[raven pecan]

Does anyone know how I can create a new load out I only have one and I’ve tried everything it suggest to stop it bugging evrytime I try create a new one it says this load out cannot be equipped since the load out is invalid it’s so frustrating

[jovial tulip]

Give me ur best build that makes leg a joke

[grand girder]

(am trolling btw)

[subtle bluff]

A build cannot carry you thru leggo.

[subtle bluff]

I would need a clip of it.

[astral kraken]

ಠ_ಠ

[burnt bone]

What is that little circle icon on the right 👀 (I’m learning how build stuff works rn)

[grand girder]

means it was optimised

[burnt bone]

Can you optimize smth you’ve tinkered

[grand girder]

yeah, you get to recalibrate one section and optimise the rest (unless its exotic in which you can only reconfigure or optimise)

[burnt bone]

Oh that’s big 👀

So the gear grind is easier than I thought it would be

[raven pecan]

I’m off for the night atm but if it’d be okay I’ll send one through tomorrow if that’s cool?

[compact nacelle]

Hello hello . I’m French sorry for my english but I'm looking for someone who has access to the "The Houdsman" bounty to farm the Quickstep pistol.

[deep swallow]

Is there a good build website for all the builds current and old?

[versed summit]

The pinned spreadsheet in this channel has a lot of good build guides

[deep swallow]

Thank you

[timid marten]

Thx so much

[fresh yoke]

Does OD effect Pesti tik damage? Or would it just be a combination of bleed from the hollow point rounds and the pesti DOT damage?

[onyx sage]

no it doesn't

[midnight falcon]

I play very casually and am looking for uncomplicated builds. A lot of the suggestions here sound amazing but are too complicated for me to understand. Could you help with suggestions about a basic red, a blue, and a yellow build for me? I play solo, on hard mostly, sometimes challenging. Just can't wrap my brain around so much of this game but I am enjoying it anyway.

[solar sable]

No, Pesti ticks are not a status effect. It works with pure Weapon DMG.

[coral reef]

if you're playing very casually on hard, there is no need to even think about builds. Just put together what makes sense to you and it will work.

[stark dawn]

Skill damage vs. DPS. You are mixing these two.

[burnt bone]

Have you looked through the spreadsheet that is pinned to this channel, I started the game this week and it helped me understand a lot :3

Like on the hubs page there’s is a very good explanation of all the different builds you can make

[burnt bone]

Can someone help me understand this, how are you gaining and losing 10 stacks a second at the same time while in cover

[onyx sage]

there are 2 "stack types", from the shadow and into the light

from the shadow is the "healing" stack and into the light is the "damage" stack

get in cover to charge the damage stack and consume the healing stack

get out of cover to do the opposite

i can update it to be clearer, the description in game is a bit better

[burnt bone]

That’s what I thought, is the spreadsheet description just kinda funky

Ohhh wait I think I see

It’s not one stack that is added and consumed, there’s 2 of em

[onyx sage]

yes

[burnt bone]

Gotcha gotcha, yeah adding smth like the buff names where I put the red would make it clearer

And moving the middle sentence up so it’s attached to the first section

[subtle bluff]

How much refactor have you played on leggo?

[versed summit]

It should mostly mirror the in game description for better or probably worse

[burnt bone]

Oh really

[onyx sage]

it's fixed, the order was out of wack too

[burnt bone]

Oh and while I have you, the named chest Equalizer is in the backpack section rn

[onyx sage]

i took some liberties in adjusting the description. it's a lot better to read now

[onyx sage]

yeah i can see if i have time to fix it

[burnt bone]

Sweet thanks, the spreadsheet is peak btw 🙏 🙏

[burnt bone]

It looks great <3

[stark dawn]

Don't change topic, please, particularly after that suggestion PGC somehow increase healing vs. Refractor chest.

[gloomy star]

anyone has a updated oxidizer build ? would really appreciate it

[burnt bone]

It looks like there’s one on the spreadsheet in #td2-build-advice pins

[onyx sage]

it should be fixed

icons are TBD

[burnt bone]

Youre the best :)

Now I just need one to drop ;-;

[onyx sage]

I'm just one of the maintainers, we all do it on our own free time

[burnt bone]

Well you’re all my heroes

[subtle bluff]

I'm not in a sense. If you've played refactor and leggo increasing its overall ability to do dmg which in turn heal is much more effective as a build.
The chest does more healing again but if you're trying to support using empathetic resolve it is much more powerful.

[versed summit]

images are in for that one, was about to fix it then I saw someone else in there lol

[burnt bone]

Incredible news 🎉 🎉

[midnight falcon]

Great! Thanks for the advice! Reading all the chats here always makes me think that I am missing out on something but I really don't see much of a difference when I change loadouts. Thank you!

[midnight falcon]

I will check that out, thank you!

[coral reef]

i mean you ARE missing out lol. Builds are a huge part of the game. But if you play casually and on hard... anything will work

[midnight falcon]

I might venture into more complicated things once I fully understand what I am doing.... in a few months or so.

[hexed steppe]

is it just me or is whitedeath hit reg just a lot better than other mmr

[smoky latch]

Call me supersticious but I feel the bullet travels faster than other MMR archetypes. You don't have to pre-aim as much IMO

[versed summit]

But hit scan

[magic pilot]

But feelings

[versed summit]

Lmao

[sweet pond]

Got this build going, cant do anything higher than challanging, am I missing something or is it a skill issue?

[buoyant perch]

what's your CHD, CHC?

[buoyant perch]

with low crit chance, it takes longer to stack obliterate, try to get closer to 60%,
you can also use overdog gloves for more damage
other than that, yeah there's some skill issue if you can't clear heroic with your current setup

[sweet pond]

I dont have my watch crit chance maxed, so thats another 5% there

is watch level farming something that people group up for or is it better to do solo

(i havent played since like season 3 so imm getting back into it)

[buoyant perch]

for group, there's bounty stacking method but that requires setup and teamwork
for solo, public execution with as many directives as you can handle and oneshot builds is the quickest

[sweet pond]

oneshot build? do you happen to have a link/recommended one?

[buoyant perch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j4Km15oZKIc1Hym0y-G2nMMYDH6mqRgLiumI68E724E/edit?tab=t.0

and this

sniper has more damage, 1886 has better firerate

[burnt bone]

What would y’all say are the most consistent countdown builds

Especially for a newer player

[fresh yoke]

The new Unit Alloys gear set is fantastic (especially if you like AR's) with the named holster being a staple in a lot of builds now. Strike is consistent. Personally I'm running a CoCo build with pestilence if you have that LMG.

[solar sable]

Strikers, no doubt
Although there are a lot of options if what you want is to support your team like CC and Healer (Technician Spec for Faraday)

[junior surge]

OD is also good

[solar sable]

yup, excellent option if what you seek is providing buffs, idk if it was Survivalist or Firewall for more team buffs

[junior surge]

Survivalist is better for the bonus damage to status affected targets

[solar sable]

thx for the info, I needed a refresh

[mint axle]

IMO, I think Specialization damage perks should apply solo too, instead of mandatory group members.

[strong cave]

I'd rather they just flat out change the weapons damage bonuses to just apply to all guns instead of picking 3

Boom, done, specializations are fixed

[sweet pond]

is it possible to still get quickstep?

Returning player, been out a while, just learning about it now

[hexed steppe]

Not determined

Need some streamlined in your life

[wispy hollow]

Join someone who still has bounty and either:

• Kill the robot dogs (hounds) , they are currently dropping named items (including Quickstep and the Bell Ringer for some reason) and restart bounty
  OR
• Kill the houndsman himself and he drops one

[sweet pond]

Thank you! I will ask in the lfg chats, I appreciate you answering for what is probably the millionth time

[hexed steppe]

Wait what?!?
Who put ninja in the sniper setups guide 🤮

[shy willow]

Ninja on headhunter setups is a grey area

[hexed steppe]

idk, memento may be a grey area... ninja sounds like a trash fire.
tinkerer and overdogs should be on there way before ninja... jmho tho, i didnt write it

[raven pecan]

Hey guys is it a general consensus that on a striker build you do not use the striker chest? I’ve got holster gloves backpack and mask on and some high end for the rest just trying to make a balanced damage output to high armour using st Elmo’s as my primary and the acs shotgun as my secondary primary

[solar sable]

@subtle bluff explain

[hexed steppe]

hard to explain 10m in lost damage

js

[astral kraken]

it depends on the content. most of the time you dont need the chest. also if you're not using the chest you don't really need acs.

just run an smg with unwavering (smg-9 or tac vector) or an lmg

it's good to have a striker chest build in your loadouts for when it's needed tho

countdown and incursion are the main places the chest is used, but there are other special cases that depend on you

[raven pecan]

Oh okay that makes sense I’ve been tinkering with the builds I’m having trouble making a new loadout I can only run one atm due to some bug or glitch I can’t fix 🥲 but I’ll keep that in mind cheers

[astral kraken]

just one? yikes. what happens you try to create a new one?

[hexed steppe]

i know on pc there is sometimes a glitch where the hotkey wont save but you can mouse click to save... idk if ps has a way to use a cursor to click save loadout tho

[solar sable]

qq, preference for the talent?

[raven pecan]

It’s super frustrating I’m still new to the game really my shd level is 65 and I think it’s coz I saved my original build and copied it to a second one and deleted the first one not knowing what I was doing and now I’m screwed ahaha I’m at work atm but I’ll post it through when I get home I was gonna ask MrChow to help me abit later 🫶

[astral kraken]

for lmg? depends on which one you pick. lots of options.

you can do frenzy and just leave at 0 rounds, then whip it out when a big spawn comes at you

[solar sable]

on smg-9, sorry, I didn't specify

[astral kraken]

unwavering 😄

[solar sable]

u no likey Measured?

[astral kraken]

nah i dont like using smg as primary unless it's backfire

and if it's used a secondary then unwavering is kinda unmatched

[solar sable]

I'll try unwavering then

[magic pilot]

Nah

[astral kraken]

just remember as long as you keep killing the buff will stay active

[solar sable]

alrighty, will see tonight

[subtle bluff]

A guide that needs to be worked on.

[solar sable]

but ninjabike??? bro!

[subtle bluff]

I didn't say that.

Deleted that

[strong cave]

It's missing a whole ass mod on the backpack too

This is some KVD level of mistakes. I'm going for a drive

[solar sable]

are you the "Free DDR5 RAM" van?

[strong cave]

Sadly no, that's Shaniqua's cousin that's parked down the street from where my garage is

Was a weird tattoo she got when she overdosed on engine coolant

[astral kraken]

now that it's fixed

i want to know who is getting tarred and feathered

you can tell us we'll be gentle

[hexed steppe]

oh it wasnt like that... i was just surprised to see it in there, especially with as much ninja bashing that happens

it does need an update because there is a lot of good options for headhunter builds that didnt exist when that was wrote

[strong cave]

Say how does tinkerer work regarding headhunter?

[hexed steppe]

2 rifles

1886 and whatever ... likely determined and rifleman

[strong cave]

Hell no I'm not running around with 2 Winchesters. I'm not that much yeehaw

[hexed steppe]

the other rifle doesnt matter

[strong cave]

I'd look even dumber carrying a Winchester and an M4

[hexed steppe]

youre probably not the target audience then for that setup

[strong cave]

There's just something about taking the Winchester that makes you required to take classic guns 🤌

[astral kraken]

yea the hotshot one is fine, altho it needs overdogs in the bullet point list

and shroud

[strong cave]

Nah my rifle/MMR setup is usually Winchester + Handbasket (SVD with the wood finish). It's such an overall vibe. Plus the big iron on muh hip goes nicely too

Slap on ye ol cowboy hat and you're rootin tootin ready for shootin

[astral kraken]

also white death has been top dmg for a while now

[strong cave]

It got nerfed like what, 3 times?

Only to be buffed back to the top every time

[astral kraken]

if you're gonna wear a cowboy hat you need to run a regulus too. it's tradition.

[hexed steppe]

i feel like white death has better hit reg than other mmr

[strong cave]

That or the Magnum

[strong cave]

White Death is so accurate you can blind fire across the battlefield with a perfect headshot between the eyes if you run a small microdot crosshair

No other sniper does this so you might be onto something

[hexed steppe]

i was running it earlier side by side with a carbon that had a ton of stability and the whitedeath was just better

[strong cave]

Rivens would easily tell you the same thing I just said, and I'm sure many others might pipe up too. It's very odd but super humorous hitting a Chris Kyle mile long snipe to the dome without even peeking over cover to look

[astral kraken]

sr-1 feels the best to me

[strong cave]

I'm still pissed my expertise 20 SR-1 got nerfed

[astral kraken]

but if im not using determined it's just hhf these days

[buoyant perch]

The 1886 build in there is also not optimal

[strong cave]

For me the only div content I've been remotely bothering with is farming dz landmarks and playing lottery