td2-build-advice

[subtle bluff]

stop stop

[meager fog]

Relies on them knowing the Coyotes limits though.

That 59% will come in handy close range

[subtle bluff]

Yea I don't disagree just saying if he wanted to

[dense swallow]

why lol

[subtle bluff]

Don't need to spam us with your whole build. We already know.

You can kind follow this which you have.

[meager fog]

A case of TMI.

It's a standard striker build

[subtle bluff]

Don't worry about the pistol and lefty

[meager fog]

As Chow said, you can exchange one CHC mod because you have Coyotes on

[dense swallow]

im guessing those 2 are based on preference?

[dense swallow]

exchange it for chd?

[meager fog]

Shotgun is for fast stacks. Any variation of AS12 will work

[meager fog]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

Give this a shot with your build. I am not warmed up nor have time and effort to make a complete clear of this.

[onyx sage]

seconds before disaster

[uncut sluice]

is pretty much the same for the most part

[subtle bluff]

I'd like to see you use on legendary.

[subtle bluff]

Not on HHF... I should be.. But I was trying to be a determined player sir.

[onyx sage]

the average player doesn- nvm they do use determined

[shy willow]

What actually is the build in question here

[shy willow]

Congratulations sir you played yourself

[subtle bluff]

NBB

[shy willow]

Bruh

[subtle bluff]

I thought I saved a clip of doing Zoo 4 man leggo and I was able to HHF the first 2 section mostly solo. I was proud of myself.

[onyx sage]

i can't do it, die every 30 secs

[shy willow]

Only 2 shootz

[solar sable]

if I don't use determined anymore what am I now?

[shy willow]

lethargic

[cerulean smelt]

bored

[small junco]

Lol, not yet

[subtle bluff]

Don't worry about it. It's a noob trap

[cerulean smelt]

ninja bike bag is just a fancier way of asking if you got the exotic component

[small junco]

I just like how easy it is to run a Countdown and try a new gear set/build

[cerulean smelt]

boring game mode, but yeah can't argue you can run it and have a build at the end if you're not after unicorn pieces walks away sulking

[small junco]

Wanna try Healer? Get 4 pieces of Future Initiative in one run.

Wanna mess around with damage skills? Refractor is a decent start.

Wanna finally do DPS? Hahahahahaha, get that striker-set boiiii

[cerulean smelt]

wanna spread the love? get the negotiator's build going

wanna spread the fire? grab eclipse protocol

[small junco]

RNGesus has smiled upon me recently.

Since I have been back, I have received:
Catalyst
St. Elmo
Bluescreen
Vile
Iron Lung
Chameleon x2
Acostas Go Bag x4.... (I kid you not)
Few other unnotables

Most of this was from running generic Missions/Strongholds/Countdown. Haven't moved to raids yet

[cerulean smelt]

if you were like "during winter event i got an EB, Ravenous, Regulus, Quick Step and several lexingtons" that'd be RNGesus being good to you

[small junco]

I already had Coyote's Mask and BTSU gloves

[hazy steeple]

@cerulean smelt Getting a Ravenous from the Winter Event would've been... interesting.

[cerulean smelt]

wasn't in there? thought it was. what was i thinking of then?

[hazy steeple]

You're likely thinking of Ouro, yeah Rav wasn't in there.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, found the post. oops 😹

[shy willow]

Id have assumed it was

Exceedingly odd that regulus and eb would be there but not rav

[hazy steeple]

Bighorn neither, which didn't help the confusion.

[cerulean smelt]

probably why i defaulted to it honestly but eh whatever
but we all know it really wouldn't be too weird someone getting a ravenous there through their magic coding 😹

[uncut sluice]

so honest question is it not good, i could of swore it was pretty good at least when i played

[cerulean smelt]

why do you think he's telling you. take your ninjabike backpack build and run legendary. probably solo

[subtle bluff]

You talking about NBB

[uncut sluice]

yes

[subtle bluff]

It's never been good. Just overrated by content creators.

[uncut sluice]

alr

[subtle bluff]

Chest and BP talents are powerful. NBB takes one out and cannot make that up that talent on top of not having minor attributes

[uncut sluice]

yeah i figured that i just always thought it would be made up for in the extra slots you would get from sets

[hazy steeple]

That feature makes it seem useful, but it really is a trap.

[cerulean smelt]

about only strength it has atm is PVP builds

[uncut sluice]

i use it in my umbra build i’m guessing it’s good slotted in there

[cerulean smelt]

PVE? wrong again but you play your way, we can just suggest. replace it with a high end with vigilience to increase your damage

[uncut sluice]

no, pvp

[hazy steeple]

Is there meant to be a comma in there?

or are you saying that you don't play PvP?

Or just kkinda denying that it exists?

[uncut sluice]

sorry i forgot to put the comma

[cerulean smelt]

me? i don't play pvp. too many accusations of cheaters in it. so i figured until they stop them, if they ever. pvp will never be fun

[hazy steeple]

Ah the comma, makes sense.
Okay so yeah PvP builds are the useful part of NBB, the rest it's pretty much a "trip up" exotic.

[uncut sluice]

yeah i played on pc for a bit but switched to ps mainly for that reason, ill play d1 on pc cuz i feel its better overall but d2 feels off

[cerulean smelt]

d1 is worse PVE wise 😹 why i jumped to div 2

[uncut sluice]

well i mainly play dz on there i only do pve when its a ge

[thorny pawn]

how do you get capacitor? is it a regular exotic drop like the rest?

[uncut sluice]

summit

[cerulean smelt]

summit. 2-3 challenges completed

[thorny pawn]

summit has challenges?

[uncut sluice]

yes

[thorny pawn]

didnt even notice i js play blindly sometimes

[cerulean smelt]

yes, run 10 floors without going down, set x amount of enemies on fire

[hazy steeple]

I think Capacitor is 5 challenges, but regardless that's like 20 minutes of play.

[uncut sluice]

i would just put in lowest difficulty no directives and run through them

[cerulean smelt]

something like an Ascent and someting else challenge. both work for capacitor

[thorny pawn]

im watch lvl 200 rn and i have elmo currently and still trying to get max attributes but i keep running out of resources any way i can get resources fast or js only playing.

bc im trying to max my striker gear out but i also dont know what chest piece i should wear

[uncut sluice]

what resources are you referring too

[hazy steeple]

@thorny pawn Don't worry about maxing out the Attributes on your gun, it's very much not important to your overall build, unless everything else is maxed out first.

[cerulean smelt]

currently. Equalizer named Unit Alloy, Ceska with Olibiterate, or even sacrifice named Providence, but you'll still need a ceska piece someplace

[thorny pawn]

i have equal currently as its my best

[thorny pawn]

when you look at the materials needed the bottom 2 are the ones im missing idk what theyre called

[subtle bluff]

Probably the faction one.

[cerulean smelt]

faction or the Flag looking one maybe?

[hexed steppe]

post a screenshot of what you are missing and we can help identify

[thorny pawn]

okay one minute need to restart pc and do some rq

[thorny pawn]

the last one i seem to always be out snd the 1st also but thats cuz im filling up my library currently but most the time its the bottom two

[subtle bluff]

It's a thing. At close to 9k I'll burn thru stuff too.

[lapis hare]

@subtle bluff hey quick question. What was the colorblind setting you were using in that video you shared showing off what the striker set up can do?

[subtle bluff]

It's one of them.. Idk.. as long as you have it on

[lapis hare]

lol okay.

[copper yarrow]

I I'm using a Rifle with 8x scope and Coyote mask, what's the preferred CHC to be at ?

[smoky latch]

50, if you play long range you might even use 45

Wouldn't go lower

[copper yarrow]

cool ty

[uncut sluice]

what build do yall use for retaliations

[solar sable]

tipping scales

nego is so good too

[uncut sluice]

all red tipping scales?

[solar sable]

with pgc

[meager fog]

Red Nego, Red Strikers, Red TS, Red Red 😃

[solar sable]

everything is red

[meager fog]

If you want red but struggle a little to survive, use Memento to stay red and stay alive

[slate wedge]

HH Determined with Shroud, Handbasket and Quickstep

[subtle bluff]

I haven't tried a hotdogs solo retal I know I can't HHF it kill squad makes it a mess during retakes

[fresh grove]

Striker, though I occassionally use a concentrated lmg build

[solar sable]

we call it CoCo to avoid writing that long ass name

[slate wedge]

you can oneshot them with shroud

[subtle bluff]

Not thru the helmet at the same time.

I was on HHF I have enough dmg on shotgun Brazen.

[slate wedge]

well i was talking about hotshot sorry

[subtle bluff]

It's the back to back that caused me issues.

[solar sable]

shroud hotdogs is so yummy
fk helmets

[subtle bluff]

Hotdog is Hotshot.

[solar sable]

Hotshot + Overdogs = Hot-dogs 🌭

[subtle bluff]

Ya again haven't done with MMR's.

[strong cave]

I still use nemesis VS shroud. Shroud is a good gun don't get me wrong but it's way more satisfying hitting nemesis shots

[woeful zodiac]

As the wise Ikia says

[strong cave]

Also, who needs Hotdogs? Ive been enjoying myself some Hairydogs lately 💯

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwWlEYUhmEAZ6Icpq4C5QSiWL9pqYBMYOMUcB1hGAbAOwimyQLgN63cYCsC2Nj2EZgTQSJHpOZaLxABOWArqLQC+dXTEF4qOEjh5xWLwAcIM6q01bSdHXR38TyXCA

(Chow don't kill me, it's mxswat. I needed to calculate quick watch bonuses)

[hexed steppe]

• 1 assault rifle alloy - decon assault rifles
• 2 field recon data - complete high level control points (qty equal to alert level)
• 3 true son tactical assessment -true son activities
• 4 shd calibration - easiest source is watch points

all these can be crafted afaik, but the blueprints drop from level 3-4 control points

[thorny pawn]

okay thank you

[strong cave]

Field recon data also comes from clearing landmarks in DZ. A good striker build with Ceska Unbreakable + 4 striker as blue cores + memento backpack is easily a good landmark farm for DZ

I wouldn't recommend them DZ if they don't have the build I mentioned but it is another option I figured I'd throw out there

[hexed steppe]

why i mentioned control points

[buoyant perch]

If you are below 1k SHD, the DZ is pretty empty

[strong cave]

You can also just run countdown and collect the box loot stuff . And then buy caches that includes mats like the ones he needs. Plus like taro said, under SHD 1k and DZ is almost always dead

Even at 1k brackets if you know when most of the pvp playerbase gets on and off you can easily farm landmarks quietly. Even if someone shows up, the build I mentioned should melt everything and survive borderline anything

[hexed steppe]

do blueprints drop from the landmarks?

[strong cave]

Blueprints, no, sadly. Otherwise I'd speedrun landmarks with my partner and get her a shit load of blueprints

We mainly do retaliation for the blueprints now. Allows her to farm gear + clearing CPs seems to be rewarding her blueprints in retal

[slate wedge]

above 1k too

[naive pewter]

Anyone knows how to get the Turmoil gear & Quickstep ?

[visual plover]

Both not available currently. They only drop during certain special events.

[native plume]

Quickstep ask in lfg if someone has the Houndsman Bounty

[glacial patio]

What is more powerful: 20% amplified weapon damage, or 47% increased weapon damage

[scenic whale]

Amplified damage most likely,

Increased weapon damage (assuming you’re talking about Streamline) is a direct additive to the red cores, specialization bonuses, and specific weapon damage bonuses

Amplified for every source is an unique multiplicative source

Streamline also forces you to never use SHD skill which isn’t ideal as those skills are all really helpful

[glacial patio]

Ok thank you. Ive got a heartbreaker build and deciding between Lud AR with perfect streamline, or some ARs and LMGs with flatline

Also, does the headshot pulse from heartbreaker trigger flatline? Or do I need the rail laser or an actual pulse

[scenic whale]

There should be a heartbreaker guide in the pins for this chat, but yeah with heartbreaker you’ll definitely want streamline as it will be the most consistent way of applying your amp

[scenic whale]

As long as the target is “pulsed”, even Banshee pulse will do. So score one headshot and target is fair game. Many will still recommend laser pulse though due to things without headshot zones or sometimes just the ability to swap targets on the fly as needed

Assuming you’ll always nail headshots on such mobile targets isn’t the best

[woeful zodiac]

Does heartbreaker harvest determined even work?

[patent fossil]

Harvest+determined would generally rely on one-shot kills. You won't be building Heartbreaker stacks with that.

[sharp widget]

Hello, I just reached SHD LVL 1000 and I switched my build to full red, so far I'm enjoying the playstyle for red build. So any other advise after hitting SHD 1000?

[meager fog]

You're already using the best available build.

So start working on filling your expertise and library

[onyx sage]

you use the exact same weapons i have. you should be set for most activities in the game at this point.

there are some other red builds you could farm, like negotiator's and headhunter's fury. since you like red builds already these ones are also excellent and go well into speedrun territory.

on your striker build, you can also consider switching to vigi and glass cannon (or the gift/the sacrifice, sac gift combo). this is more or less the same strength as your current setup but more reliable if you know how to position well and not take damage.

it's now dependent on your goals in this game. are you ready to take on legendary/master? group? solo?

[sharp widget]

Thanks! I will do!

[sharp widget]

Thanks! I'm starting to build up my confidence for Legendary/Master and yes I play solo a lot, but when I feel ready for group activities I will try it out someday.

[onyx sage]

it'll be a long journey but it'll be well worth it

[mortal cloak]

i am wondering what build should i use for legendary missions. anyone can help me..

[slate wedge]

@mortal cloak this right here is really good

other good ones would be Hotshot Headhunter or a Tinkerer Striker with 2 LMGs

[hexed steppe]

Looks good.

Grab a set of negotiators dilemma pieces in the same config strikers currently is. I guarantee youll thank me later 💯 both sets are top tier dps

[onyx sage]

demo'd nego in my latest run 😉

[solar sable]

you guys are crazy

[mortal cloak]

oh okey i need try this build but what attributes should i use this build

[versed summit]

Crit chance crit damage

[copper yarrow]

What's the highest that the pesti tick can go and with what build?

[solar sable]

I'd say ~2.2mil with CoCo

you can go higher ofc but that's the only way I can think of

[copper yarrow]

How high does it go with Strikers any idea?

[wispy hollow]

Is the same config better or Fenris chest with GC or PGC ?

[subtle bluff]

There's a whole guide with DPS numbers.

In the build hub

[magic pilot]

PGC is slightly better

[subtle bluff]

A lot of stuff is better than Fenris to this point.

[uncut sluice]

anybody got a good tipping scales build?

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1ugLqss8pj3jv-dSE1KUIHI1HGMfkCVBYb0LGpEiLXUY/edit?usp=drivesdk

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1BGTMKNBMDGANe0sXFw9KuPU6k-wB462-ilWEO2_Y_Y0/edit?usp=drivesdk

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gvv20WAX-qDLNqLj8qQCQjBbQxjz4A0OrzBBYL3hRoc/edit?usp=drivesdk

[uncut sluice]

thank you very much

[lost ridge]

I'm trying to put up together an artillery turret build:

Currently I have 3p Rigger set with 50% damage chest, 1p China holster, 1p Grupo gloves with Ninja Bpack and Harmony rifle

Everything is Skill dmg and Haste, 6 skill tier

Any tips or suggestions that might improve that?

[subtle bluff]

@hexed steppe your calling!

[subtle bluff]

Rigger isn't the answer.
In the build hub there's a great guide for this.

[lost ridge]

I'm hitting about 4-5mil shots on Heroic-Challenging and my turret has like 5 seconds cooldown, if I manage to find a good vantage point I pretty much spam turret with hitting Harmony shots out of cover just for that extra 40% damage

Currently debating about bringing bombardier drone as my second but running solo open world - I just use repair hive as my second

[lost ridge]

I'm a bit dumb, where can I find this build hub 🥹

[solar sable]

Mortar Supremacy

[cerulean smelt]

think they meant the link to the hub

[lost ridge]

Yeah, that would've been great

Google didn't get me anywhere with this

[solar sable]

oh
Pinned Messages > Spreadsheet 2

[lost ridge]

Thank you ❤️

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > Gear Sheet > Build Hub

[strong cave]

Rigger isn't the best but it is fun on mortar turret and shrapnel trap

[lost ridge]

Shrapnel trap also benefits from explosions?

[strong cave]

Yes. Shrapnel trap goes boom boom. Think of it like the shock trap mixed with the cluster mines from COD: MW series

[lost ridge]

Daaamn, I just tried it
Definitely will swap my repair hive for those

Who needs healing when there's no enemies around that hurt you

[strong cave]

I used to run it with mortar and just run around and spam it and toss my shrapnel traps at secondary spawn doors

I'd also constantly cancel both skills for damage

There's way better builds but it can work if you can make it

[lost ridge]

@subtle bluff @solar sable
I tried Mortar Supremacy build in the Hub

Although I lack BTSU gloves and Skill Tier Sacrifice vest, overall I think for my playstyle having +60% more incoming dmg to myself for +1.5-2Mil of explosive damage feels like a dealbreaker tradeoff, but the actual build is surprisingly good at flat DPS numbers on the shooting range

[solar sable]

shooting range dps marker is not accurate please dont use it as a base

[cerulean smelt]

*starts kowtowing to summon mortar god @hexed steppe *

[lost ridge]

I did a bit of both - field testing and shooting range just to look at the numbers, though it was very hard to capture

[subtle bluff]

It's not a DPS build. Do not using DPS

[cerulean smelt]

if i showed you mine you'd be like why?!

[lost ridge]

With rigger I do about 3.8-4.5M dmg

With unoptimized MortarSupremacy (no Gloves and skill tier Sacrifice vest + I did two tests with KARD to get skill tier up to 6 and Harmony regardless of Skill tier 5) I was outputting about 5.4-6.0M dmg which is awesome, truly

But lack of survivability made me extra aware of positioning and I couldn't concentrate on hitting the shots during field testing

That and the fact that I get one tapped by a wild raccoon running past me made me reconsider the build at least until I get BTSU gloves

Ima go try Legendary Roosevelt with both build a couple of times just to get a hang of it

[cerulean smelt]

@lost ridge look at this build and have your mind blown on why i have it 😹

[subtle bluff]

When the @hexed steppe gets on he'll explain it better than I could. I know the theory and some of the playstyle but haven't used it for a dedicated build.
Maybe @fair dragon can you chime in?

[solar sable]

he has spawned in from the dark side of mortar heaven.

[subtle bluff]

https://youtu.be/g6M3RNqPrus?si=fPHbjmfIiJoNZK5s

Here's some gameplay of the build running at its limits.

Don't believe it's doable anymore due a nerf and the GE was on for this.

[lost ridge]

I suppose shock range mod doesn't do anything for shrapnel radius

[strong cave]

No

[lost ridge]

Apologies - I can't seem to view the pic through discord 😓
(Regional locks, can barely access the app through VPN)

[cerulean smelt]

take it from me, if you worry about those numbers you'll never like the build

[iron plover]

Ah, I know your struggle well. 😉

Don't use a VPN for Discord… it really does make images take forever to load. You're better off using something like WARP or sorta. And definitely don't use Zapret or any of that stuff you might find recommended.

[hexed steppe]

With fully optimized mortar supremacy, with 6 skilltier and stacked capacitor you should be in the 8mil range with no expertise.
I main that setup and with 30 expertise I hit 10mil fully stacked, and 13mil stacked and btsu overcharge.
Dont try and use kard or drop the skilltier or you are wasting the strength of the build.

Use the stinger hive to guard your flanks/problem areas. 18 charges of hell really changes an npcs mind 😎

-# Mortar Supremacy

Use contractors till you get btsu

[half cedar]

Well thats one way to learn Civilian can Lose a Control Point 💀

[long estuary]

Is this good ? I’m still trying to re-learn how to play this game. Break it down like I’m a dummy

[small junco]

RED IS DEAD. You don't really need to lean into defensive buffs because baddies just melt with Striker

[long estuary]

Should I go for 6/6 striker or stick with 4/6?

[small junco]

4/6 is fine

I have/use Coyote Mask, but Overdogs tend to be favored over that

Then get a chest piece with Obliterate or Sacrifice

[long estuary]

I mainly use assault rifles as well and Gunner spec. . I haven’t decided on an actual secondary yet

[small junco]

This is the Striker Build on the spreadsheet pinned in this channel.

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/mobilebasic

[shy willow]

as an important note gearsets have no bonuses past 4 pieces equipped

its also never worth running less than 4 pieces with like maybe one or two exceptions

[atomic turtle]

What would you guys say is the better choice? 58 CHC/93 CHD or 52 CHC/105 CHD? Using an HF SIX12 build.

[solar sable]

chc x chd
whatever gives the highest number is best

[smoky latch]

Multiply the values and pick the higher result

[atomic turtle]

Ok, so 52/105 it is then. I wound up with 0.546, compared to 58/93 which gave 0.5394. Right?

I suck at math, but I think I did it right?

The difference is miniscule, neglible, even. But I guess it is an increase.

[solar sable]

yeah that first one is better

[subtle bluff]

Don’t use %. Just straight multiply.

[solar sable]

oh wait youre right

[buoyant perch]

If (x/10000) > (y/10000), then x> y
It doesn't matter if you use %. The conclusion is the same.

[subtle bluff]

True… as long as he did it the same. Derp.. I math sometimes.

[atomic turtle]

I did 0.52 x 1.05 vs 0.58 x 0.93 and wound up with 0.546 and 0.5394 respectively. I assume I did it right.

[onyx sage]

it's fine. you did it correctly. 0.52/1.05 and 0.58/0.93 are the same numbers you would use when doing damage calc anyway

what chow wanted was to say it would be easier if you used 52/105 and 58/93 cuz it'd be bigger numbers and it would be apparent which one is bigger, but i'd argue it's needless

[subtle bluff]

Future for keeping it simpler? Chow…. Brain doesn’t work

Don’t wanna work more.?

All these squares make a circle….

[onyx sage]

if you increase the number of edges of a polygon you get a circle?

[atomic turtle]

Only if each polygon is pi.

[fair dragon]

Sorry for the late reply, as I haven't had all day to have a proper read through.

Ultimately, what pieces you want to run with is completely up to you. If it works for you, then that's good.

Me, personally, I prefer big damage numbers, because the more damage you deal, the less likely it is for you to have to waste time getting that extra shot. Consistently dealing 10.1 mil damage (currently unachievable) is the point at which you can one-hit-kill an elite enemy in solo Heroic.

Playstyle-wise, you may want to run it with a weapon to up the damage, but I don't. My philosophy is simple. A skill build is a SKILL-only build; if a weapon comes into play, then it becomes a hybrid build. 99% of the drone turret builds out there aren't even true skill builds. Why do I run it without weapons? Because I can. Because the mortar is just that good. I can solo a Legendary without ever using my weapons. Because the mortar is just that good. Drone turret builds just can't compete with that.

As for your secondary skill, it can be anything. For me, it's anything that helps me land my shots better - sticky EMP, striker drone, stinger hive, decoy, scanner pulse etc.

At the end of the day, the main star of the mortar build is the mortar turret. So build around that.

[copper yarrow]

On a red striker build with Lexington, what would give better DPS, the sacrifice or a unit alloys chest chest with GC

[strong cave]

Technically taking alloys with GC only increases your burst DPS. Taking sacrifice will give you way more sustained obviously at the cost of a slight ROF decrease

(decrease is assuming you're swapping from unit to sacrifice)

[copper yarrow]

Got it. Maybe I'll try a Tinkerer police M4 with measured and Killer

[strong cave]

That's not a bad setup for what it is honestly. Tinkerer is pretty fun

If you want a fun tinkerer shotgun build I've got one for you

[half cedar]

Pummel with Brazen

Badger Bag with Unstoppable force

And HF

Solo works nicely. Not so mucb for Coop way

Also not exactly good against armored heavy and Robotic unless you have a semi auto

[strong cave]

Ehhhhhhhhhhh crit shotgun on HF is pure buttcheeks

You're better off going full high end

Hunters fury + Tinkerer is a bad combo bc neither the gearset chest/bag is good. You've got no choice but to sacrifice 1 or the other on HF shotgun tinkerer. You're better off going high end and stacking smaller bonuses together. Additionally, intimidate's talent is incorrect. It's stronger than people think. Pairing bloodsucker + Intimidate on shotguns is incredibly broken. You couldn't traditionally go obliterate and glass cannon with shotguns is a death sentence

[half cedar]

It is not that bad just not exactly reliable

[magic pilot]

HF chest is really bad

[strong cave]

It's pretty bad

[slate wedge]

just go HHF with a Shotgun and Memento or SMG HF with Intimidate + Memento

[strong cave]

If it's shit against dogs and chungas it's bad

[strong cave]

I've got a high end setup that's actually good I just need to make the clip

[slate wedge]

which high end setup we talking about about?

[half cedar]

Thays whats I was saying shotgun is usually bad against Heavy Armors Unit.

Too slow to break armor and reload doesnt cope with it.

[fossil crag]

health dmg helps that

[half cedar]

Health damage has a thing for Armor Plates?

[fossil crag]

dogs robots chungas

[meager fog]

Armour plates are health

[half cedar]

Well I never KNEW THAT?!

[fossil crag]

also. wanna know another fun trick people forgot.

[half cedar]

I always thought Armor Plate is hps of their own

same for weakpoint

[half cedar]

What trick

[fossil crag]

hit robot or chunga with this then hit with with fire

Oo and IDK i forgot and I know others have, but im not gonna say everyone forgot the x-bow will crack a chunga in 1 bolt

[onyx sage]

weakpoint and armor plates are both health

[strong cave]

DTTOC also helps

[half cedar]

But which better Health or Dttoc

[meager fog]

They are HP of their own, but they're tied to the health stat

[meager fog]

Dttooc.

10% > 9%

Chunga and robotics don't use cover so Dttooc always applies

[onyx sage]

health damage on gun is actually 10% btw

[fossil crag]

sadly with a shotgun you can only pick one soooooooo I jsut run one with outta cover and one with health LOL

[meager fog]

It rounds up from 9.5%?

[half cedar]

Hmmm Hollow man has a 14% hp dmg 🤔

[meager fog]

You can only pick one on all guns. Dttooc is the most useful for most guns.

Also having DTH means that one stat is always inactive since DTA and DTH cant be active at the same time

[versed summit]

ARs have DTH and typically DTTooc is what I think they are saying

[fossil crag]

well if I have to bust out either one them shottys on my HHF build crap has already hit the fan and im doing anyhting I can to gtfo alive LOL

[onyx sage]

yes

[fossil crag]

Thats goood to know I didnt know this,

[onyx sage]

it's listed in stat screen as such and also comes out to that in actual calcs

[fossil crag]

Hot damn!!!!! hahah I never even bothered to go look GG man GG!

[strong cave]

Yeah but you guys are comparing HHF to crit setups rn 😂

[strong cave]

I have no issues dropping warhounds and chungas with a shotgun

[fossil crag]

hey now!!! I have 2 crit rolls on my HHF LOL 32% LOL!!!

[fossil crag]

I have zero problem with chungas no matter the gun in hand.

[cerulean smelt]

i imagine my picture made your head hurt 😹

[solid pelican]

Hey! I saw a few reels where an agent was using a machine gun and basically never had to stop shooting: their armor kept regenerating constantly, and the weapon’s magazine would ‘refill’ every so often without them manually reloading. Does anyone know what build that is? I’m trying to find it on YouTube but I can’t.

[cerulean smelt]

youtube has a history of stuff you've watched by the way

[solid pelican]

I saw on tiktok 🙁

[meager fog]

That's a Bullet King

[half cedar]

Was that tardigade system with machine gun with Advance material skill from last season?

[solid pelican]

ah tnx

[meager fog]

Bullet King has no reload, and replenishes ammo when you kill an enemy.

But it's not a great weapon by any means

[half cedar]

Oh wait nvm that. Read wrong

[cerulean smelt]

would you be wrong though?

[slate wedge]

rather go Weapon Handling or HazProt

[versed summit]

Hazpro is odd

[toxic frigate]

nah that just Bullet King w/ Tipping scale or striker and healing from armor on kill gunner talent

[fossil crag]

i have this one on my main with crit hit croissant , 2nd pve agent has handling and 3rd has status for the foam I get 1 whole extra sec on the foam LOL. I dont think 2 haz will help you much

[toxic frigate]

also is the server down now?

[fossil crag]

no

[smoky latch]

There is more than one server FYI. Maybe the one you were on restarted

[toxic frigate]

nah nvm

Ubisoft false flagged my account as unsafe again

[hexed steppe]

seems irrelevant to run dth on a shotgun when it has limits and dttooc can apply to everything . i also question 2x scorpio on the same alt

[smoky latch]

That doesn't sound good ó_Ô

[subtle bluff]

Ugh........... BF questions.....

[fossil crag]

imm assuming you didnt read the context..? I run 2 one with dmg outta cover and one with health dmg. and I said if either one of the shottys come out im in some deep crap and im fighting for my life to get out. they are place holders more or less casue If ima run my reggy build im 99.999% gonna have that reggy in my hands. but yes HD truly works you dont have to trust me I dont care but it works jsut as the chunga I crack in one pump

[cerulean smelt]

yes, next weekends overdrive we'll be getting a flood of these questions

[subtle bluff]

Hence what I said.

[cerulean smelt]

especially "how to get yaahl piece?" 😹

[fossil crag]

jsut tell them to farm countdown hahahahahah

[cerulean smelt]

you understand that's what they'll be asking "can i farm yaahl from countdown?"

[fossil crag]

ok let me re do that, tell them yes...............................

[cerulean smelt]

well, there is a way without having yaahl materials per say, but it'll be less ideal than running conflict back to back or heading into DZ

[hexed steppe]

can craft random pieces, i think yaahl can drop that way

pleb issues tho

[cerulean smelt]

techinically you wouldn't be lying if they want a Yaahl chest piece. we can tell them to target loot chest. deconstruct everything instead of looting then turn those materials into random brand pieces afterwards 😹

[hexed steppe]

just gotta wait for clan vendor or hope for named cache/cd vendor appearance of hollowman

[onyx sage]

the health damage is quite significant towards armor plates/helmets. helps a bit in 4 man legs

[smoky latch]

Bro...

[fossil crag]

a lot honestly

[hexed steppe]

wouldnt it be the same as dttooc tho?

[onyx sage]

no. dttooc doesn't multiply hh

dth does

[strong cave]

or you can keep a purple crafting bench

[hexed steppe]

fair

[onyx sage]

it's close to a 7% increase

towards health targets, which can make or break (literally) a helmet

[hexed steppe]

is that enough to push a heath gate or w/e if both are stacked

[strong cave]

@fossil crag @hexed steppe

[onyx sage]

it can. it's more significant at lower expertise. I've had 0 expertise runs in zoo where having no health damage actually didn't break helmet because i didn't land enough pellets

[strong cave]

ignore my audio being how it is

[fossil crag]

less then one year of not caring about SHD hahahaha

[cerulean smelt]

but, but

[strong cave]

also ignore my screen being chopped off and squished. i havent swapped it to my 1920x1080 resolution yet

i normally play 1920x800

[cerulean smelt]

fancy wide screen mofo 😹

[fossil crag]

I miss her though @strong cave she got nuked last year in feb

[strong cave]

my screen is only 1080 lmao

[strong cave]

damn havent seen you in a while sir tofu 🫡

im sure you remember fiftysdeath

[fossil crag]

lol I didnt see the play button LOl umm why was I tagged in this LOL

[strong cave]

to show off a method of getting yaahl without needing pvp

[fossil crag]

hahaha im LuLu now haha

[strong cave]

I intentionally keep a purple bench for this reason

[fossil crag]

gotch big dawg!!! I was liek HUH whats this at 1st I taught was was showing off sdh hahah my bad bro-ham!!!

[cerulean smelt]

huh, who knew? i know i didn't 🤔

[fossil crag]

I didnt either honestly hhaha I jsut pvp enough to do things liek this...

[cerulean smelt]

i was lucky to extract a claws out for my pistol build 😹

[strong cave]

i got one of those 💯 yaahl holster is damn good

all red as well

just gonna let this EB I had drop in dz the other day sit in my stash

[fossil crag]

that was liek 300 mat, then!!! I crafted it damn near god rolled, took screen shot, and facking DEL'ed. it clicking back into the game LOL

[strong cave]

i crafted mine within 20 crafts 💀

[fossil crag]

took me a whole other day to refarm it out haha

[fossil crag]

lucky duck'ling!!!!

[strong cave]

ive had bighorn drop once, ravenous drop twice, and finally EB drop the other day. literally the first landmark I touched in dz south, it dropped EB. SMG's were targeted that day as well. so why the game decided the EB of all guns? idk

[fossil crag]

the one with has and skill dmg or status i dont remember already lol that one was ez to get lol

[strong cave]

i dont even need it. I already have 4

I honestly wanted another lady death

[cerulean smelt]

that's the SMG for movement speed isn't it?

[strong cave]

yes

[cerulean smelt]

is that as limited as quick step as well?

[strong cave]

(figured id throw these photos in to fully show proof it dropped + give hope to anyone that is trying to get it to drop)

ma trophy 😌

[fossil crag]

no you can stack it, when we 1st got the mod's there was one for movement speed it was fun stacking everything you could to go fast

[cerulean smelt]

@strong cave going to be a fast noodle wiggling in pvp and throwing elbows 😹

[strong cave]

i pulled a cryptie and retired my dawg

[uncut sluice]

here’s more proof

i think extracting was the scariest thing ever when i got it lol, even though i had one it was just a different feeling

[cerulean smelt]

nods someone could've cut the rope, swoop it up, hide someplace and turn it into a component. then destroyed it 😹

[uncut sluice]

i know i was on edge the whole time waiting for the helicopter expecting a 4 man to come out of no where😭

[fossil crag]

if they stole it and deconed it (with out extracting) it becomes 1 dz$ not a comp

why me LOL

[jade oracle]

I am returning player that has done the raid a while back. Recently came back and starting over on a new platform, what is the recommended starting build for the raids that is more up to date than I am aware of.

[cerulean smelt]

more upto date than strikers with the chest?

[jade oracle]

I was not using strikers when I ran it before (it was a few years ago). So is that the play now? What are the other 2 pieces?

[subtle bluff]

Tbh hasn't changed too much.

[jade oracle]

I don't remember the exact build, but I know it was sacrifice, contractors, fox's prayers, coyote mask.

its been like 5 years since i ran it 😅

[onyx sage]

striker-based setups are the most commonly run dps loadouts rn

[cerulean smelt]

even then, still works. there's probably some minor tweaks to it

[jade oracle]

good to know, I will optimize that build a bit and see if I can get in a run. thanks!

[subtle bluff]

Get a striker build still

[solar sable]

strikers is boring

[cerulean smelt]

true, but people will be like "oh this guy is READY!" and be happy to see him

[strong cave]

HELL YEAHHHHH

[solar sable]

I always hope to ragebait chow when I get the chance and I think I'll never get it, only fb has that privilege 😔

[cerulean smelt]

i imagine if you come up with some off beat 5.11 build that works. would make him rage enough 😹

[onyx sage]

i hate running meta

[subtle bluff]

Gonna make MG5 the new meta gun

[onyx sage]

gonna make gr9 the new meta gun

[subtle bluff]

Different meta sir

[onyx sage]

meta is meta!!

insert incredibles gif here

[cerulean smelt]

gonna make bell ring meta with bat vfx drone 😹

SCREECH SCREECH SCREECH!

[junior lagoon]

GR9 so good

[onyx sage]

i like the current lmg meta in a sense that each lmg has a different place it can be used

except negev, idk where it fits

[solar sable]

in the stash probably

[copper yarrow]

Not really. Printer filaments you got from destroying it are worth it

[subtle bluff]

Showing off in build advice channel 👍

[fossil crag]

you're so kool dude!

[hazy steeple]

Chow is right, this channel is for asking/answering questions about build advice, not "look what cool thing I got".

[slate wedge]

Rate this build, also don’t look at the cool backpack i crafted.

[subtle bluff]

Pretty sure you mean as far as #td2-pvp-discussions build context.

[slate wedge]

was a flex disguised as joke

[slender oyster]

anyone know the best way to get the overdog gloves rn?

[runic rapids]

i keep seeing people with an insanely fast fire rate gun. what weapon is that? I've never seen anything over ~1200.

[subtle bluff]

Retal Hynes? (I can't spell)

[subtle bluff]

Ouro

[slender oyster]

anyway to select hyenas? my current retaliation is outcasts lol

[cerulean smelt]

keep fighting hyenas

[smoky latch]

Here, this will help you:
#ask-td2-community message

[slender oyster]

ty

[cerulean smelt]

thanks for that 😹

[runic rapids]

rip timed event weapon https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Ouroboros guess ill wait for the next.

[smoky latch]

Do the incursion, you can farm for it

[runic rapids]

doesnt drop since the events over afaik.

[smoky latch]

You are misinformed

That weapon is from the incursion, exclusively from there. It was just made available recently for time gated events

So you can actually farm for it

It's not like the Lexington, Turmoil, Quickstep etc.

[subtle bluff]

wah?

[subtle bluff]

This weapon can only be obtained from the Incursion Paradise Lost, either from the Named Cleaner bosses themselves (Wright and The Lovebirds) or the final reward chest.
what are you reading saying you can't get it..

[half cedar]

Ouroboros. Currently can be only obtained in Incursion as of now.

Ouroboros did Made appareance during Time Gated Event. Which is the exception

[runic rapids]

i assumed timed ment timed. not there forever. regardless. i think thats one of the only ones ive not done since i just die on spawn lol. fun times.

[fossil crag]

Umm what are we going for here pvp or pve..?

[subtle bluff]

Incursion isn't a normal mission you do know right?

[runic rapids]

im aware.

[subtle bluff]

It's the not hardest of things unless you have no idea and don't have a group that's kwtd.

[half cedar]

Thats probably with every master mission nowaday. 😂

[uncut sluice]

could i get that rifle build you showed me the other day, i wouldnt mind trying it out, and you will be pleased to know that i no longer think the nbb is a good peice

[subtle bluff]

Go to do the Build Hub it's in there

[uncut sluice]

where is that?

nvrmind i think i found it

[smoky latch]

#td2-build-advice message

Build hub is the second tab on the bottom

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > Sheet 2 > Build Hub > OD Guide

[slate wedge]

PvP ofc

[fossil crag]

you gotta go 3 yawl or non

go 3 yawl, or fox con

[slate wedge]

i’m going 1 for HazProt anyways and just went the 2nd because 10% WD is great

[slate wedge]

if i go 3 yaahl what would i drop?

[fossil crag]

lets take this to pvp area and give me 5 ill post photos

[slate wedge]

sure

[foggy imp]

How well does the Pakhan work with striker or tipping scale

[karmic monolith]

Been working on this build today farming for the gear and im almost at 100% hazard protection and with the exotic lmg it does some serious damage to heroic bosses gna try legendary tomorrow wish me luck 😅

[strong cave]

so whos gonna tell him?

[iron plover]

I hope that's just a joke.

[solar sable]

Is the "serious damage" in the room with us?

[karmic monolith]

No why

[solar sable]

Because you're shooting nerf darts with your build attempt

[karmic monolith]

Yeah might be but im working on it so instead of criticising me throw tips instead might be nice thing to do

[solar sable]

I'm not criticizing, I'm being honest.
It takes more than just a good build, it takes tons of practice and knowledge.
You want a build that can actually help you get through Legendary content? For Pesti use CoCo (pre-stacked) and you'll 100% use Pesti's Tick dmg to your advantage.
You don't want CoCo? Fine.
Strikers (any variant), Tipping Scales, HHF, NegoDogs, whatever does best at dealing DMG is going to help you more than 100% Hazpro or any Tank build you can think of. Tanks in this game won't get you anywhere outside of specific Raid Roles.

Nego for Legendary is so nice it does an amazing work

[onyx sage]

sometimes some uncomfortable words are necessary to shake off deep-rooted misconceptions

good criticism isn't easy to chew always

[solar sable]

I just noticed some things about your build too.
Scanner Pulse isn't a status effect. Banshee Pulse in the other hand, does >>apply<< a status effect and counts for both Spotter and Wicked.
Petilence Tick DMG works from pure Weapon DMG, that's something you gotta have in mind when building around it. Something with lots of blue cores and crits as attributes is somewhat better than using hazpro/armor regen for example.

[smoky latch]

I blame YT

For misconceptions

Sold as "The only solo build you need" for instance

[onyx sage]

i love that 5% armor

and armor regen so good

what more do you need guys

[onyx sage]

that last line betrays the point he's making. just take obli over gc then lmao

if you don't care about higher dps then take something else

[smoky latch]

It's all weird

[solar sable]

so are we contradicting ourselves now?

[smoky latch]

I'm sure that's not the only build out there that's wild

[onyx sage]

i just wanna grow big enough to eventually beat his audience size lol (i know the creator)

but at least i'm glad a sizeable portion of his comments is criticism towards his build rationale (which doesn't make sense)

[buoyant perch]

So you grow into above_average?

[iron plover]

You definitely haven't seen what some serious damage looks like... With your build, Pesti simply can't show any proper damage.

As already mentioned, Pesti ticks scale off weapon damage using the formula BASE × (AWD + SWD) × TWD × DTA × DTTooC × (Source AMP). If you actually want to run Pesti and deal some serious damage, you should be looking at a CoCo build or a Lengmo one. It needs to be an all-red build with multiple damage sources contributing to the final output. Again, as was already said, HZP and tank build aren't useful in average gameplay at all, they're extremely niche. Even a mediocre DPS build will outperform what you're running by a huge margin.

[onyx sage]

no, to mediocre

[shy willow]

Maybe if you spray chrome paint on your mouth and full send it

[subtle bluff]

why I am still decent.

[foggy imp]

Is the pakhan any good?

[subtle bluff]

Eh. Fun.

[foggy imp]

Yeah talent seems very interesting

[foggy imp]

Stupid question but to do the pre stack and fast travel does the stack go away?

[solar sable]

nope

some of the stacks are lost but not many

if you can keep them by killing enemies then you're alright

[smoky latch]

You do lose the stacks when you join another player's session or travel to another area - like DC to NY for instance

[solar sable]

as long as you dont leave what INF said, youre okay with ur stacks

[fossil crag]

iirc you want a LMG with a bag, or the bullet king is best. I wouldnt use the Pak at all and deff not on striker

[hexed steppe]

i may be wrong , but i think you lose stacks if not jumping to an activity or mission, like safehouse , and between retaliation runs/normal open world

[subtle bluff]

The normal TS build. RPM is too slow for Striker.

[cobalt peak]

dont you want the GR9 with the one perk that gives a refill if you hit 100 stacks?

since high firerate + infinite magazine

for striker that is.

[subtle bluff]

What do you mean by "don't you want"?
Yes but doing more DPS is better...

[cobalt peak]

well no but, compared to pakhan i meant

200 round mag that fully refilss if you hit atleast 100 bullets, and a high ahhh firerate.

if he insists on using an lmg.

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't change what said..

What's wrong with LMG's?

[cobalt peak]

as someone who has mained lmgs since getting the game, they just feel a little.. under-loved compared to ARs/SMGs

not as bad as shotguns thou dont get me wrong

[hexed steppe]

lmg kinda been getting all the love lately, ngl

[subtle bluff]

Sorry what?

[shy willow]

i was gonna say yeah lmgs are in a great spot rn

shotguns arent particularly bad either

[cobalt peak]

rn yeah, i was mainly talking in well.. leading up to this year somewhat

[fossil crag]

deff was overlooked by the devs in PVE sadly, pvp though..... I love my RPK I use the Mil one with the dark wood

[smoky latch]

TS, CoCo, for sure

[onyx sage]

this year been only 28 days 💀

[hexed steppe]

od too

[subtle bluff]

I've using LMG's well over 2 years has my main weapon.

No that's right I think.

[cobalt peak]

the games year.

[silent storm]

Messing around with this build, should I go Sharpshooter or stay with Gunner? And why did noone say Aces is better now?

[fossil crag]

I can say some people its Still 2025 LOL hell it almost got me the other day I was like 2025.......6!! yeah 26 lol

[smoky latch]

Yeah ofc, just mentioned the recent additions that's good for LMGs

[hexed steppe]

oh, yeah no doubt

[onyx sage]

lmgs have been pretty well-treated yeah

[cobalt peak]

like, they were never awful, but just outclassed by running an AR on the same build up until the last INGAME seasonal year-ish or so

[subtle bluff]

Idk what this saying LMG aren't good that's complete a false statement.

[cobalt peak]

i am not?

[subtle bluff]

Where areyou getting this thought there outclassed?

[onyx sage]

gr9 steady handed is just a comfy option, gr9 frenzy is just such a beast they had to nerf it and it's still borderline meta

[cobalt peak]

can you read the whole message instead of cherry picking a single word?

[hazy steeple]

you liar.

[subtle bluff]

This whole thing...

[cobalt peak]

im just saying that up until "somewhat" (monnths.. maybe a year) recent, LMGS have always been in the middle of the pack, it wasnt untill the last year that they really got to shine

[subtle bluff]

Nope just your own thoughts.

[hazy steeple]

LMG's were fantastic last year too.

especially with Tink 😍

[hexed steppe]

-# ai peering back from the future

[silent storm]

I thought LMGs were always good

[cobalt peak]

yeah but this game is what? nearly 7 years old? 8?

[smoky latch]

TS and CoCo are awesome for LMGs and just recently added. How are LMGs not getting much love?

They also slap hard

[cobalt peak]

thats what im saying, they were good, but for the first few years an ar or certain smgs certainly straight up outclassed them

[hazy steeple]

Don't take this the wrong way, but have you been getting your info from reddit?

[cobalt peak]

i literally said that recently they have been getting love and slapping

[cobalt peak]

nah i only look for fashion stuff on the reddit.

[subtle bluff]

no no even before this..

[smoky latch]

Sry I got confused by the way you wrote, my bad

[onyx sage]

my hypothesis is people just started knowing the game more and drop the shield, and using a LMG instead, and that started getting widespread

[solar sable]

absolutely valid hypothesis

[hazy steeple]

Aver' is right, LMG's have been great for ages.

[fossil crag]

all I know is when they did the rework a few years ago LMG became monsters

[cobalt peak]

define ages in a game thats 7-8 years old

[onyx sage]

i still am confounded why they nerfed l86 and rpk

[cobalt peak]

yeah, thats kinda what im at, theyre really nice now

[hazy steeple]

"a while back, longer than 2 months".

[cobalt peak]

i said atleast a year.

[hexed steppe]

i love reminiscing about the irrelevant past

[solar sable]

2 months and 1 day

[fossil crag]

I know they buffed the RPK but I didnt know they nurfed it after

[subtle bluff]

That's a good gif...

[cobalt peak]

man why cant the mag-fed lmgs be used with shields or anything thou?

[hazy steeple]

I love finding random ones that are vaguely div related.

[subtle bluff]

I hate playing during these new events you can't turn off

[onyx sage]

the past: #td2-build-advice message

[silent storm]

So with Aces&Eights should I go Sharpshooter for the passives or just stay Gunner? UIC is already stable 15% HSD isn't much

[cobalt peak]

i wish defender drone was better so you could actually face tank with it 😭

[hexed steppe]

i face tank with mortar

ill see myself out

[cobalt peak]

anyway, right now im trying out a tempest build, got the usual striker + memento, but kinda stumped on running the chestplate.

im considering either:

douglas (20% pistol damage) wiht obliterate
named equalizer, which has 5% firerate + perfect obliterate

idk if the 5% firerate + 4% higher crit damage stack rate outdoes the 20% pistol damage

[onyx sage]

obliterate gives total weapon damage not crit damage

[smoky latch]

This works well for me

#td2-build-advice message

[fossil crag]

are you using a handgun..?

[cobalt peak]

yes, tempest, the full auto pistol

[subtle bluff]

RoF 5%
P. Obli 24% TWD
or
D&H +20 Pistol WD
Obli 20% TWD

is what you mean.

[cobalt peak]

yeah.

trying to wiehg off which one would be better in the end, basicaly if the 5% rof + 4% TWD would outweight hte 20% pistol damage

[onyx sage]

at 0 expertise they're basically the same, at more expertise equalizer will beat it

[fossil crag]

id go D&H I think that tempest is fast already

[cobalt peak]

well yeah but since im running strike rwith it ya know

the 5% fire rate boost ontop of the 15% one

[fossil crag]

what is your other peace 4 striker, D&H and.?

[cobalt peak]

memento, cause the 1 of eahc core really helps with the shield

[subtle bluff]

I still think tempest sucks.. If you're doing it for fun have at it.

[cobalt peak]

running 1 blue piece + 4 red (and then memento), combined with technician for another yellow it gets me 5 red + 2 blue + 2 yellow

oh yeah id be way better off with another pistol.

[fossil crag]

last I heard the tempest is still glitched too

[subtle bluff]

Fixed

[cobalt peak]

but ive been wanting a full auto pistol ever since i dabbled into bulwark builds my finger has been aching for a full auto one

and since i got it to drop, imma use it

[fossil crag]

OOO when they do that..

[cobalt peak]

reminds me of the D3 days in div1 😭

[subtle bluff]

Patch Notes

A while ago.

[cobalt peak]

man fr they just needa add a set that lets you use SMGS with bulwark

[coral reef]

Too OP, like DFNC

[cobalt peak]

4 piece that makes SMGS equipable with bulwark and makes half your red cores also count for shield tier would go nice

[cobalt peak]

would it really thou? like, over just running the half shield with a dedicated build?

[subtle bluff]

btw.. This could of been pretty done the same over a year ago.

[fossil crag]

patch notes are about as reliable as the shooting range

I heard jsut a few months ago afteer they "fixed" it it was still glitched

[subtle bluff]

No it's fixed we made sure.

[cobalt peak]

see i tried but without any blue/yellow the shield just melts

what glitch we talking about? no blueprint or it dropping early?

[subtle bluff]

What shield?

[cobalt peak]

bulwark

since running tempest

[subtle bluff]

um... This was talking about LMG's..

[cobalt peak]

brother it says "weapon doesnt matter" in the title

im just saying that full red with overdogs doesnt vibe with tempest + shield

[subtle bluff]

I just haven't gotten around to encoding this and uploading this to be able to be viewed on discord.

Oh you want that one.

[cobalt peak]

yeah so i just modified it, memento works nicely to boost the shield to not instantyl shred

[subtle bluff]

This title hasn't changed.

Tempest sucks.

[cobalt peak]

but its fun

[subtle bluff]

Idk being to do what I did on Legendary is cool...

[cobalt peak]

can you explain this? like, expertise on the pistol or? cause i thought epxertise only adds total armor to armor sets..

[subtle bluff]

He was talking about the weapon.

[onyx sage]

on the pistol of course, we do not talk about armor expertise ever

[cobalt peak]

haha fair

is that just cause of damage stacking becoming less efficient as you go or?

[onyx sage]

because you already have a lot of weapon damage, and d&h gives weapon damage

[cobalt peak]

or just cause hte higher firerate will synergise better with the increases damage?

oh wait in that case, wont DH already be kinda meh with strikers?

[onyx sage]

the 20% from d&h is diminished by the amount of weapon damage you already have, and it gets worse with expertise

[cobalt peak]

since striker also gives weapon damage

[onyx sage]

no, striker gives an amp. not weapon damage

[cobalt peak]

wuhhh

"weapon hits increase total weapon damage by 0.65 per stack"

[onyx sage]

yeah that's a lie

[subtle bluff]

Exp 20 weapon
D7H 20 Pistol WD
More or less the same.

[onyx sage]

they've never fixed that ever

[subtle bluff]

They hate fixing wording...

[cobalt peak]

so those wouldnt stack to 40% right?

[onyx sage]

so here's the picture

with full red 0 expertise and 15% from spec, maxed out stats you have 130% weapon damage already

[cobalt peak]

lmao it reminds me of a recent destiny patch note, a year ago they claimed they removed something from an ability (they didnt, just from the description) then now a year later in the patch notes they said they fixed the ability.. by.. adding it back into the description

[onyx sage]

the weapon damage from d&h will just tack onto this

[cobalt peak]

so is there like a diminishing cap to weapon damage or?... idk why it would be bad otherwise

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.

[cobalt peak]

like would the 20% not be a true 20% boost in the end or is there just some hidden math im to stupid to understand?

[subtle bluff]

WHen choose a stats over WD.

[onyx sage]

...let's do some math

take 2 / 1 and look at the result, then take 3 / 2 and look at the result

which one is bigger, even though we're only adding the same value of 1

[cobalt peak]

well yeah i get that, but i dont completely understand the logic behind the weapon damage thing

[subtle bluff]

Can I share the NBB clip dmg? it's pretty that reasoning there.

[onyx sage]

no let me explain the math pls chow

[subtle bluff]

K

[cobalt peak]

are you saying the 130% damage would benefit more form the 5% firerate than simply boosting it to 150% or?

[onyx sage]

now take d&h, you have 1 + 130% already, d&h makes it 1 + 150%

that means the increase is 2.5 / 2.3, which if you calculate will be less than 1.2

[cobalt peak]

yeah i get that

i do not get the second part thou

[onyx sage]

now fire rate, because you're literally dealing 5% more damage in dps, that is a multiplication on top of 2.3

[cobalt peak]

ahh ok

[onyx sage]

so it would be 2.3 * 1.05. this is just basic dps calculation

[cobalt peak]

so it was what i expected a bit earlier, that because of firerate going off that total damage and just 'amplifying' it (by literally making it happen more often) its technicaly better

[onyx sage]

if you're confused i would recommend try to learn how to calculate damage and dps

[cobalt peak]

no no i get it, i got it a bit ago (simplified) but the extra math just confused me without pointers to it

[cobalt peak]

like

[onyx sage]

think of them as different multipliers

[cobalt peak]

in that same sense, does stacking firerate have any negative impacts later on or is it only positive?

since striker already has 15%, would adding another 5% just be a straight possitive? (i mean for striker more firerate = more stack build so like)

[onyx sage]

well you're making tradeoffs with every buff you pick right, because you're then not picking another one

[cobalt peak]

yeah, like the 20% pistol damage

[onyx sage]

you'd be picking which one gives you the most value

[cobalt peak]

yeahh i getcha

so like if it wasnt for obliterate itd be fine, but obliterate already giving an icnrease in weapon damage means its better to go for fire rate to benefit from the already boosted damage

[onyx sage]

how you'd calculate the increase is taking (1 + existing fire rate + more fire rate) / (1 + existing fire rate)

that's how % increase calculation works. in the 5% rof case it comes out to around 4.3%

[cobalt peak]

i see

tbf, chest should be alot easier to far ma decent roll off as i dont needa worry about the talent

cheers for that, back into the countdown mines i go

[onyx sage]

but if you just want the tldr the answer is the fire rate brand will win out in the end, because the weapon damage pool is so diluted that d&h would lose

[scenic whale]

Weapon damage you’re already working with the 90% base, the 15% from your specialization + potentially the proficiency bonuses.

Like Average said 9/10 times you’d be better off picking some other differently worded source of damage (more often than not amped damage)

Stacking weapon damage or [X] weapon type damage of any kind is always just going to be meh compared to another fat multiplier (hence why NBB is so eh compared to other backpacks)

Though also worth noting total weapon damage isn’t in the same camp as “weapon damage” (including the weapon type damage)

[copper yarrow]

Heartbreaker techtank?

[nimble frost]

Hello guys, I just came back to division after like 2 years? I wonder which gear set I should aim for, I'M about to run the summit. I feel a bit weak right now with my Heartbreaker build

[subtle bluff]

Striker. What SHD are you?

[nimble frost]

60

thank you. I go for striker first. Right now I'm running

[subtle bluff]

Use the build hub.
Pinned Message > Sheet 2 > Build Hub > Farm Guide

[nimble frost]

perfect, thanks!

[copper yarrow]

I think someone shared a PvP memento build in here a couple days ago. Can someone pls point me at it again

[subtle bluff]

Memento isn't used in PvP. In DZ maybe.

[slate wedge]

You can go full blue striker with memento and chatterbox for Landmark farming, use an Intimidate/Obliterate/Unbreakable chest

[copper yarrow]

yes I meant in DZ sorry

[karmic monolith]

Like I said last night its only a test as im sick of using striker or full red builds and dying solo so testing a tank build with pesto and status affect. Im using pulse for chest piece which give me extra weapon dmg to pulsed enemies and c
Back pack gives me extra weapon damage after killing an enemy like i said testing it as sick of running same thing all the time 😁

[meager fog]

Pestilence is not a status.

[shy willow]

I'm pretty sure you were already corrected on this

[shy willow]

This

Neither pulse or pesti are status effects, the brand and rolls make no sense, etcetera etcetera

[subtle bluff]

You can't "tank" with your own body.... So LMG aren't a great idea...

There are plenty of builds to run. Who said you only run strikers?

.
Side note...
Also dunno if he's asking for advice for just wanting to make statements.

[shy willow]

You can use tanky builds without them being completely incoherent

[strong cave]

I feel like this came from NYL Casual Gaming

His overall general community arguments about how the community is doing is pretty spot on. His builds, idk about that. I gave him a PvP healer one and he went and tested it directly in PvE. While in PvE he was right, the build isn't optimal, but I even very clearly defined that it wasn't meant for PvE 😂

[nimble moss]

Hello. Question here about "marks".
Are marks specific to set ? Example : If I use the 4 pieces set Negociator's Dilemma, which deals additionnal damage to marked ennemies, can I mark them with, for example, scanner which also marks ennemies ? Would Negociator's Dilemma set proc on this ?
If yes, does it interact with other people using those marks with another effect ?
Sorry I hope it's clear I'm not native english speaker

[subtle bluff]

Nego Mark is it's own mark.

[nimble moss]

Oh ok it's not specified on the spreadsheet ! Alright I see, ty for quick answer 😄

[subtle bluff]

You can only proc Nego mark by making Critical Hits on enemies.

[subtle bluff]

I'll go take a look

[nimble moss]

It said "when you critically hit a marked ennemy" so I was wondering if it could be any mark so that's why the confusion ^^
We are new players so we were taking a look on spreadsheet during maintenance xD

[subtle bluff]

It's the same. I'm pretty sure I updated this to make sure.

[subtle bluff]

Yah you just have to read them one by one.

Crits do 2 things.

• Leaves a Nego Mark
• DMG's 3 marked targets

[nimble moss]

Yup but it doesn't say "Nego Mark", it just says "Mark", so I wondered if it could be just a general mark. I mean in some games there's specific marking and in some others there's general marks that can be proc in multiple ways from different sets or so ^^
But gotcha 😄

[subtle bluff]

Yea it's what it has from in-game. The Dev's don't really have great wording.

I don't there's nothing else that's "Mark" there debuff or a status.

[hexed steppe]

did the very first line of that not exists before?

[hexed steppe]

huh?! im confused

[hexed steppe]

its safe to assume that anything that says mark in the talent is specific to that talent and will have a unique indicator as that mark

[nimble moss]

Yeah that's what I understood, alright then thanks 😄

[molten agate]

what is the best talent to pair with frenzy? im using gr9

[magic pilot]

For tinkerer?

[molten agate]

yea im thinking either killer or measured

or something more dps if there is one

[magic pilot]

Killer would be the best option for dps, measured is good if it doesn't mess up the frenzy uptime

[meager fog]

Depends what build also

[half cedar]

I tried tinkerer lmg build with od. With frenzy as second gun.

It can be nasty for a firer rate for 9 sec (goddamn misclick)

[livid sorrel]

Killer falls off in multiplayer cause your teammates steal kills

[maiden depot]

looking for any advice for my build. not sure if its good or not im lacking behind my friends but they do have a higher watch and more expertise than me i just started a few weeks ago.

im doing 5 mil dps on the training dummies currently but i think thats low for what my stats are at

[half cedar]

Not bad. How about on the technical side? How is it for ya?

I think someone said use BLUE screen bc it has faster Fire rate?

[buoyant perch]

it's critical to get to 60% CHC with tipping scale, it's a set that's all about crit damage (400%+ CHD). Losing more than 10% crit chance is...well, critical.

[cerulean smelt]

honestly expertise barely does anything. my opinion of course. but they probably have maxed out their builds so that's probably all you're lacking atm

i must be tripping. i remember weapons used to have a base damage displayed but i haven't been seeing it for awhile now. Armor we do see that and i know for a fact when you upgrade the gears/brand armors you're increasing the white number circled

[versed summit]

have to turn it on in inventory options

[cerulean smelt]

ah, how sneaky. when did they add that as i thought it wasn't a thing we had to activate

[foggy imp]

For tipping scales would the 10% lmg damage with obliterate chest be better than the unit chest ?

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say no, but go for it and see how it feels to you

[maiden wedge]

explain sneaky?

[cerulean smelt]

like they patched it in but didn't mention it kind of deal or if they did mention it i skimmed over it as it wasn't a concern for me the time

[maiden wedge]

I don't understand what you mean they patched it. What was wrong with it?

[maiden wedge]

I never had problems that I knew of with my Merc... so what was changed?

[cerulean smelt]

you're trying to have a conversation you haven't read.....

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-build-advice message
read this and you'll see what i'm talking about
you just went off my post with a picture but didn't follow the converastaion about how i was talking about the base damage wasn't showing on my screen until IC3SO pointed out i had to enable it in inventory

[maiden wedge]

No I followed the conversation you posted to a conversation as a new topic and not as a reply. This indicated that the post was original conversation not part of a previous conversation. But aside from that, Thank you for bringing me up to speed to what you was referencing.

[cerulean smelt]

but yeah, i always remembered the white numbers showed for weapons and armor. then i'd tell people "this white number is what you're increasing for Expertise"

[maiden wedge]

I never really pay attention but it is nice to see it working again on PC.

[magic pilot]

Nah

[slate wedge]

for sustained the best is fast hands

i gotta ask, is gr9 frenzy better for Lovebirds than Bighorn?

[foggy imp]

I would recommend the iron lung. Gun slaps with tipping scales

[foggy imp]

Does the pesti only really shine with coco and lengmo?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, oddly enough Striker stacks don't increase the pesti debuff, but coco it does you figure that one out

[foggy imp]

Yeah I do find that very weird but my coco build is in the stash till the visual bug is fixed.

[smoky latch]

Swap a piece mid-fight in cover, switch back and it's solved. It's not game-breaking

[cerulean smelt]

just tedious

[copper yarrow]

I thought Pesti ticks were increased by Stikers lol

[meager fog]

No Strikers has weird interactions with things

[foggy imp]

Yeah but when it happens 2-3 times in countdown it makes you not want to use it. I know the damage is still there but still

[smoky latch]

It's not bothering me, I only have to swap a piece once per build usage at most

This game has so many much more annoying bugs, that is not an issue for me 😂

[copper yarrow]

so Pesti stacks are increased by ony one brandset (lengmo) and one gearset (CoCo) ?

[smoky latch]

Weapon damage

[meager fog]

Anything that buffs weapon damage, will buff Pesti ticks.

[copper yarrow]

ah yea my bad

[meager fog]

Strikers is an AMP, but it's also total weapon damage so doesn't apply

[copper yarrow]

WD

So anything that says Total weapon damage does not increase it

and anything weapon damage increases it

[meager fog]

Yes, total weapon damage is a seperate bucket to Specific Weapon Damage and All weapon damage

[copper yarrow]

Understood, ty man

[meager fog]

Although other amps, like glass cannon, do increase Pesti ticks.

[astral kraken]

bullet king is hurting you a bit on the damage side. if you're competing for kills against other dps players you're gonna lose. try a classic m60 with measured.

if your friends are more experienced they'll usually know the spawns and where to position for maximum damage uptime. so just keep practicing that.

[copper yarrow]

And Obliterate does not right as it is TWD

[meager fog]

Correcto

[copper yarrow]

I understand now why the CoCo + OvD + PGC build felt way stronger than HE lengmo

[foggy imp]

I would definitely use the set more if it was more solo friendly but it’s not. Incredible in group tho

[copper yarrow]

What's the bug? I don't think I've ever encountered it

[meager fog]

Currently Coco sometimes stops displaying stacks (it's still stacked) it's just a display bug

[copper yarrow]

nothing to fret about then lol

[copper yarrow]

well you can prestack it in the range

[smoky latch]

The stacks do not always remain, they get lost on certain actions

[copper yarrow]

I think they survive fast travelling and revive hive

[foggy imp]

Yeah no thanks lol. I’ll stick to it in group if I use it at all or else tipping scale with iron lung is my go to

[copper yarrow]

Valid

[foggy imp]

Ever since @meager fog and average got me away from the blue screen to iron lung I haven’t looked back

[copper yarrow]

oo why so

BS Negodogs is my favourite build for both solo and group play haha

[foggy imp]

With blue screen it comes with zero crit mods so it forces you to roll crit chance in 3rd slot. Iron lung comes with 20% crit damage and 10% crit chance so you do a lot more damage and can roll rate of fire or crit chance. But blue screen is just nice with tipping because of the quick reload, handling and big magazine

[magic pilot]

Uhhh no

TWD does buff pesti, striker is not TWD it's a unique amp

[copper yarrow]

ah gotcha. And yes that's exactly why BS is my fav LMG, big mag and good reload speed

[magic pilot]

WD, DTA, DTOOC, TWD, most amps

[copper yarrow]

so obileterate and Vigi do increase pesti stacks?

[magic pilot]

Yes

[copper yarrow]

lol Who do I trust now, dorky or average

[magic pilot]

Everything besides crit and headshot (basically) buffs pesti ticks

There are some amps that don't work like OD, Striker, HB

Generally if it's an amp from gear talents it will buff pesti, if it's an amp from gearset it won't

[foggy imp]

That advice was towards tipping scale just so you know lol

[astral kraken]

average is correct

[copper yarrow]

I don't understand this one..

[magic pilot]

Glass, obliterate, versatile, vigi buff ticks. Striker, OD, HB don't

[astral kraken]

amp from gearset (green gear): striker, ongoing directive
amp from gear talent (yellow gear): glass cannon, obliterate

[astral kraken]

bluescreen and negotiator's pair well together

if you're in the mood for bluescreen try that out

[copper yarrow]

Ah gotcha. Ty man

[onyx sage]

on average i am correct; even if i'm correct, i'm still average

thank you for coming to my ted talk

[smoky latch]

You're playing that average role pretty good, I've gotta say

[magic pilot]

One could say he's average at the average role

[foggy imp]

Never tried nego period lol but might have too

[astral kraken]

its pretty good as long as you mark multiple things

single target damage at 4 player scaling sucks tho

[foggy imp]

I’ve seen how insane it can get. Just getting used to spraying and not doing only single target will take a little adjustment

[hexed steppe]

it really doesnt take adjustment

spray spawns, focus after

[astral kraken]

it does for me. i really have to change the way i prioritize things.

changes the positions i take and stuff

[hexed steppe]

i was able to make the move from highend to nego seamless. if youre already chasing spawns the marks make themselves

and to get really technical, once you have something low you swap because that mark is about dead anyways

[hexed steppe]

only difference is you dont wait for something to die, you just know its going to

[astral kraken]

like here i made sure to mark everything instead of just focusing on one target

[hexed steppe]

why

[astral kraken]

with striker i'd position and focus very differently tbh

[hexed steppe]

3 marks only anyways

[astral kraken]

because i dont know who's going to push or become a threat yet

that particular group are bastards with their poison lol

[hexed steppe]

dont let them push, and none are threats

chase spawns, spray, profit

[astral kraken]

what

[solar sable]

b-but sir he didn't

[onyx sage]

nego is too hard for me

[hexed steppe]

[onyx sage]

i just like point and shoot adventure game

[strong cave]

Sit passenger seat and you and I can root and toot and shoot some deer out the window

[hexed steppe]

its really such an easy set. no worrying about stacks, always critting so always marking, dont really have to worry about what you focus because the marks take even more damage than the actual target

[meager fog]

You trust me, unless I'm wrong and get corrected. Then you trust whoever corrected me, unless they're wrong. Which he isn't.

and the world keeps spinning, we're all learning all the time

[onyx sage]

the last part isn't generally true unless you have >222% crit dmg

assuming 60% chc

[hexed steppe]

huh?!

[copper yarrow]

Miyagi sensei!

[uncut sluice]

is this the best way to build heartbreaker for pve?

[onyx sage]

so basically you have to calculate the amount of damage 1 mark receives (which is your crit shot times 1.12) compared to your non-crit damage

the comparison just comes down to

0.72 * cdmg > 1.6

err it's just quick maths but there is an inequality to solve basically

[astral kraken]

try this instead: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1og9FWqIfhTr3Wo-il3GN5Iq7gHEG3EQdj0ZtkHIZAmY/edit?usp=sharing

[uncut sluice]

alr thank you ill give it a shot

[hexed steppe]

eh, ffair, but it doesnt make it any less easy

[onyx sage]

oops nvm it's 180% chd, not 222%

so i'm calling base as a variable to mean "your damage which includes all other multipliers excluding crit and hsd", and i'm also excluding headshot as a scenario for now

• your non-crit is 0.4 base

• your crit is 0.6 base * cdmg

• average shot is the sum of the above

• your main target takes the average shot as damage

• your mark takes your crit shot * 1.12

now you have to compare the above 2

0.6 base * cdmg * 1.12 vs 0.4 base + 0.6 base * cdmg
=> 0.6 base * cdmg * 0.12 vs 0.4 base
=> 0.72 * cdmg vs 0.4

[magic pilot]

And now I have 2 headaches

[onyx sage]

also i'm obviously comparing 1 mark damage, this scales up if you have 2 marks, but what i'm trying to show is it's dependent on how much crit dmg you have

[hexed steppe]

at the end of the day do you expect to be running low crit nego?

[onyx sage]

no obviously not, but it matters in the context of bluescreen chc vs dta 3rd attribute for example

"should i run dta to double dip or should i run chc to get more chd" is a perfectly valid question someone might ask

[hexed steppe]

ik

you always chc your lmg

[magic pilot]

Sometimes rof is BiS now, DTA can be good for Nego since it applies twice

Dth doesn't double dip does it?

[onyx sage]

i'm just naturally curious after thinking about it a bit, the answer actually isn't obvious which is what i'm after 😈

i run salvo right now because i need to meet the frenzy threshold for gr9

[astral kraken]

Ok this doesn't make intuitive sense to me

Actually yes it does

Actually no it doesn't

So in that very narrow example the crit threshold is 456%

[hexed steppe]

realistically, you get a feel how stuff dies without micromanaging all this info tho

why i say its easy to use

[astral kraken]

It depends on how you play. Sometimes min/maxing and understanding is important.

I've been grinding retaliations with nego bs and I just don't agree that transitioning from striker to using it requires no adjustment. There are absolutely cases where bad target priority gets you killed.

[onyx sage]

target damage is correct, mark damage is wrong

[astral kraken]

I've been trying to improve my capitol time using it as well (hence the video above) and I've had to make some pretty big adjustments when using nego. But that's just me. Everyone is different.

[astral kraken]

What's wrong about it?

[onyx sage]

mark damage is crit portion * 1.12, you're doing target damage * 1.12

[astral kraken]

Wait seriously???

Just the crit portion???

[onyx sage]

think carefully lol, how is mark damage doing more than target damage

okay nvm i read it wrong give me some time

[astral kraken]

Isn't it 112%?

[onyx sage]

we can go with the 10 shot example you're using and just divide by 10 after

[astral kraken]

I don't have the game open rn to check

[hexed steppe]

with or without overdogs?

[astral kraken]

overdogs, the usual

[hexed steppe]

then wiping low level stuff with tier 1 is marked isnt that crazy, idk

[foggy imp]

So with nego for example in the beginning of countdown with 1 hunter it would really slack at first until you get to a room with lots of ads ?

[hexed steppe]

i was maining nego before striker ever got buffed so i never really bought into the striker is godmode mindset like the community did when it got buffed. maybe it is harder for some to transition to with that stack mechanic built in

[hexed steppe]

nego isnt ideal for countdown, at least not the 1v hunters in the beginnings. also not ideal in incurrsion i think

for retal/missions/legs i think nego is actually ideal

[cobalt peak]

so i'm trying to weigh striker vs hunter for a tempest build..

i feel for a shield + pistol run and gun hunter fury might serve better than striker.. i know striker is a higher buff but hunters is just instant as long as i get close..

though that 15% fire rate also is spicy

[hexed steppe]

Have you been utilizing bluescreens stagger on demand thing or just the on kill proc?

[subtle bluff]

Eh w/e works for you. Tempest is a "fun" weapon for players to use.

I hate it.

[cobalt peak]

ngl, being a level 401 sucks cuz my watch aint fully upgraded.

[astral kraken]

When I can yea (with pulse though not sticky). Most of the time though using a skill shaves off time that I could be shooting. So it's more beneficial to just shoot.

Even with sticky there's time spent aiming into the sky and reacquiring the target.

[hexed steppe]

Need to use the sticky and you only have 3sec cooldown and instant use with an airshot

[solar sable]

lvl watch levels dont make it extremely op, it's just a must I'd say
I'm almost 900 and still deal good numbers with builds

[hexed steppe]

It can buy a ton of time when you have a lot to handle

[onyx sage]

when you crit, you're multiplying by 2.8 instead of 1.8 here

[subtle bluff]

Still wish I could have a SHD 600 toon

[cobalt peak]

well yeah i do fine, but knowingit can just be quite a bit higher (esp regarding reload speed / weapon damage / crit damage (i have chance maxed out)

[onyx sage]

that's where i was wrong, i forgot to multiply by 1+cdmg

[hexed steppe]

Something like the murauders you can constantly keep both disrupted without actually using your sticky on them

Or pull shit out of cover on demand as long as they marked

[astral kraken]

Yea I know how that works. I just never really need to do it. Even with the marauders in roosevelt it's faster to just burn them down in a few seconds instead of spending time disrupting them.

[cobalt peak]

do i wnna hover around 50% chance and pump the crit damage as high as possible or always 60% chance and rest in damage?

[astral kraken]

With striker for example a single disrupt (direct hit) is more than enough if one gets in position to missile you.

[astral kraken]

Oh and the disrupt lasts longer if we're talking electronics.

[hexed steppe]

I'm saying for that build... so you were saying prio mattered in retaliation, but if you can disorient all your targets you kinda have free reign to target as you like since everything is staggered

And can be stacked and ready to stagger again if need as you melt stuff

[astral kraken]

It really depends on the specific situation. If it's a situation where I can mark and stagger then it's a situation where I don't need to stagger anyway. At least in my experience.

[onyx sage]

this is correct, threshold is 456% cdmg.

fixed calc

• your non-crit is 0.4 base

• your crit is 0.6 base * (1 + cdmg)

• average shot is the sum of the above

• your main target takes the average shot as damage

• your mark takes your crit shot * 1.12

now you have to compare the above 2

0.6 base * (1 + cdmg) * 1.12 = 0.4 base + 0.6 base * (1 + cdmg)
=> 0.6 base * (1 + cdmg) * 0.12 = 0.4 base
=> 0.072 * (1 + cdmg) = 0.4

cdmg = 4.55555...

[astral kraken]

my brute force mathing actually worked lmao

[onyx sage]

what this means is it's virtually impossible for 1 mark to take as much damage as the main target

[astral kraken]

yea

[onyx sage]

i had to get to the bottom of the rabbithole sorry guys

[astral kraken]

it was fun! right guys?

guys?

[onyx sage]

it does impact my target acquisition because it decides whether i should just shoot the target or just use chunga trick

...now what if there are 2 marks???

yeah then it's worth it, cdmg is only 0.36

[cobalt peak]

what would be a good balance of blue to red for my tempest build?

i got 4 hunter fury, memento, technician ofc and equalizer, rn im 5 red 2 blue 2 yellow, but idk if i should shift a little more blue in for the shield or what

[smoky latch]

With a HE setup I run 2B/4R; do what feels good for you

[foggy imp]

Damn doing crit chance on iron lung and tipping scale gives me 537 crit damage 😮‍💨

[smoky latch]

Make sure it's 60CHC with TS even if it's slightly over cap

[foggy imp]

I’m at 61% crit chance and 149 crit damage

[smoky latch]

Aye

[foggy imp]

This weapon does some work lol. And I love when they burn and just empty the clip in there face.

[smoky latch]

increased mag size with that LMG is nois

[foggy imp]

Thought about running the chest and doing Ceska holster but people seem to not like running the ts chest

[cobalt peak]

you running the named petrov gloves?

[foggy imp]

Overdog gloves

[cobalt peak]

ah fair

see i like the idea of them but they sound like so much work to use properly..

[foggy imp]

I just like them because you get 30% amp damage. Coyote I don’t like getting that close for the 25% crit damage.

[cobalt peak]

yeah thats fair, but i just want to shoot whatever is in sight, not work through a checklist, considering they basicaly dont do anything if you dont to the heirarchy thing

[subtle bluff]

You dont have to... It make when you do.

[cobalt peak]

what?

i still dont get what youre saying 😭

ah fair

but if you dont do the hierarchy culling you.. dont get the bonus sright?

[subtle bluff]

You eventually get to them and it makes up quickly. 30 amp isn't a small amount.

[cobalt peak]

sure but if theres lets say a hunter in my face, im not going to focus on killing all theother things first

i get its really good when it works, but its just a little to much for me (then again, i like more enemy-heavy activities)

[foggy imp]

Trust me once you use them and get the hang of it you’re going to be obsessed

[subtle bluff]

I pretty much never focus on overdogs.

[cobalt peak]

but isnt the actual uptime quite low then?

[subtle bluff]

I have priority some of the targets anyways in leggo mission

[cobalt peak]

like, tinkerer sounds interesting, esp with some of the newer talents

[subtle bluff]

I didn't even target anything for it. Just tanks...

Solo legendary. Do you see any issue here?

30% amp is very hard to ignore.

[cobalt peak]

considering the singular grunt that was alive, did you even benefit from the 30% amp for most of the first bit?

[subtle bluff]

Nope. But it made quickly after getting tanks down. Tanks are a priority.

[cobalt peak]

tanks are tier 2 though, so the grunts have to die before you get the 30% on tanks

so then you still have to work around using overdogs.

[subtle bluff]

I am almost never focus on proc overdogs.

[cobalt peak]

so youre wearing them the whole time for like, a few targets in a mission where you know there wont be lower tier ones?

[solar sable]

me neither and I still get them numbers

[smoky latch]

TS chest is mostly redundant, it just increases the max stacks

[cobalt peak]

thats what im failing to understand, if you are using overdogs youre basicaly forced to either kill in the hierarchy order or just.. not benefit from it

so ignoring the heirarchy order most of the time just seems like a waste to me..

[solar sable]

with nego you normally wouldn't care about hierarchy afaik

[cobalt peak]

does negos shared damage just ignore the order thing?

[subtle bluff]

But here's the thing there's other priorities before that.

[cobalt peak]

i think im still not fully understanding, if youre not following the exact order, your exotic straight up doesnt give you any bonus damage?..

so what is the point of using them if you DONT do the order?

[solar sable]

#td2-build-advice message
Local said this, take a peek

[cobalt peak]

ah so, as long as you are actively shooting the lowest target, any "tagged" targets will take the 30% amped damage as well

since its purely based on the damage dealt to the main target

that still requires you to do the order thing but in somewhat of a reverse order.

wouldnt something like blacklisters make more sense in that case htough? 600% amped damage taken is quite a bit but if you apply it to a low tier grunt across the map, you have a free 20% amped damage against ANYTHING else..

or hell, straight up not using an exotic so you get 4 piece + backpack and chest talents

[smoky latch]

Those die quick, good luck explaining that to random teammates

[cobalt peak]

i mean fair, but randos also wont care much about overdogs, and if youre not focusing the order thign yourself arent they just again, not active?

[smoky latch]

Also marks are acting weird since the beginning of this season, you will not see the marked enemy after a few moments anymore unless you aim at them

[cobalt peak]

but like, if you got overdogs on, and theres for example 5 grunts in the back of the room and a tank in your face, you wont do any bonus damage to the tank till you kill all those grunts right?