td2-build-advice

[strong cave]

Tinkerer / Striker shotgun is fun. Tinkerer will wield you quicker damage and survivability while striker will need stacking to be powerful, both the talent and the memento bag

[thick meteor]

I got 41 chc and like 58 chd, am i like cooked

[meager fog]

Need to up those numbers

[thick meteor]

I need to get more materials fr

[meager fog]

Just a case of farming.

What build are you running?

[thick meteor]

Striker memento, 2 blue cores rest of it is red

I havent maxed ANYTHING out, except of some of the stats, just need to grind a bit more

[meager fog]

With strikers full build you should be sitting somewhere between 50-60 CHC and 120-140 CHD

[junior lagoon]

When using memento with that build do you agressively collect trophies? Get out of cover to chase them?

[thick meteor]

Sometimes yeah

[thick meteor]

I am so screwed lmao I need better gear 💀

I just need more hyena stuff, since I need to max out chc on my mask

[meager fog]

Don't do that, the 5 minute bonus is what you need to keep refreshed. The others are just short term bonuses.

As long as you keep the major bonus going the others will follow

[thick meteor]

Ah alright, I forgot to mention im shd lvl 217, and havent maxed or chd or chc on the watch

[fossil crag]

And this is why I dont rec using the memento pack, and I heavy dont rec it for new player. you get trophy hungry and get your self killed or in a bad mix

[junior lagoon]

Yeah i use the ninja

[fossil crag]

thats even a much more worce back pack.

Are you a PVP guy..? or PVE..?

[junior lagoon]

Try to do both but the build i use ninja is pve

[fossil crag]

ninja pack is a straigh nurf to any build you use it on in PVE

[magic pilot]

Ninja is good in PvP, arguably bis on some builds. In PvE it's shit

[fossil crag]

yeah to a point for sure, max pesty tick build yes, 95% of the unbra builds yes.

seeing a ninja pack mortar build... LOL cracks me up every time. what a wast cant even killl a rat with 2 mortars LOL

[junior lagoon]

Mine is a st wlmo build with 3 piece striker and equazlier chest salvo holster

[fossil crag]

na jsut use striker pack much more dmg

thats is 100% a waste of a talant,

[hexed steppe]

Nope, you can collect when area is clear. After stacked, you can maintain full stacks with 1 trophy pickup every 4:59 mins.
Long buff is very strong

Its really not a problem

[fossil crag]

now no hate, unless yo have pooraim and need the ammo then by all means, some times it be liek that

Again no hate My aim is 50 50 LOL

[meager fog]

None of this made any sense in any context for any of the conversations happening in this channel.

[junior lagoon]

How about survivability?

[fossil crag]

I was saying if he has poor aim, and need them extra rounds then yes go more ammo in gun, I wasnt being a butt head jsut being real.

[meager fog]

You get zero survivability from Ninjabike

Literally none.

[junior lagoon]

Also isnt ninja giving set bonus from both striker and whatever equalizer and salvo is

[fossil crag]

yes but it doesnt give you the strike pack or chest talant jsut the 4 peace bonus

[meager fog]

Backpack talent from literally any other backpack is stronger than any set bonus.

For PvE ninjabike isnt just bottom tier. It's the worst backpack available.

[junior lagoon]

Ok good to know

[hexed steppe]

Clutch 5.11 users rise up

[meager fog]

Vigi 5.11 > Ninjabike

[fossil crag]

Yes thats a ccommen misconseption (i think thats spelled right) Ninja jsut give you set bonuses not talants from say striker pack or chest. thats why we always say its the worst. Now in PVP when you wanan make a I.E- umbra build that max dmg all the time ( not a ima jump you build learking in the dark) ninja is king.

[hexed steppe]

Clutch 511?
There are a few things worse

[fossil crag]

whatttt we going back to 2019 with widz clutch/ ummm what was the orther talant.. started with a B I think... LOL

I think we used 511 back then for that health boost LOL

[fossil crag]

ninja is worse LOL

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, its objectively worst than ninja now... js

In striker context there are many bags that'll be crappier that ninja

And also many that are better obv

[fossil crag]

no a 511 with vig or unstop or a 511 chest with oblit is stronger then a ninja pack 100% there is no changing our minds

'in PVE

[hexed steppe]

That wasn't the statement

I never said anything about good talents

I was just poking fun at there being absolutely nothing worst than ninja

[fossil crag]

ok yes a 511 with no talant is worce the ninja but at watch whos using blue gear with out talants..?

[hexed steppe]

🤦‍♂️

You do you boo

[fossil crag]

Im trying to understand LOL

LOL OO i will boo boo lol

but for real help me understand what your trying to say bro

[junior lagoon]

So 4 piece stiker, memnto and a grupp/ceska chest is the way to go?

[strong cave]

Ceska, no Grupo

[fossil crag]

depens on your crit if your at 50chc with out cess then you dont need cess

[hexed steppe]

Not sure how it was not obv.

Anyways, carry on

[junior lagoon]

Yeah probably will need ceska

[fossil crag]

I think we was going down the same road up to the fork and then we went 2 diff ways LOL

[junior lagoon]

Is it better to hVe 50 cdc 100 cdm ot 60 cdc 85 cdm

[strong cave]

I mean even if at 50, if you still got a slot left, may as well take ceska. Allows you to pile on more chd

[fossil crag]

yeah yeah that would be true! haha I pick up what you putting down

[hazy steeple]

The reason to take Ceska even if you're fine for crit chance (chc), is so that you can pour more CHD (crit damage) in via attribute slots.
Especially in a gearset build, you have very limited space.

[fossil crag]

I jsut hate the chd optics and rail attachment hahah makes my guns look ulgy LOL

[meager fog]

You should be using the CHC ones so that doesnt matter

[fossil crag]

exactly, I do but if your at 50 CHC and put on a cess peace youll be at 58 sooo there for youid be sinking into CHD gun mods thats all i was getting at.

[meager fog]

You can't hit 50% without using the gun attachements

Or Ceska

[fossil crag]

now last seassions flavor of striker..... hahah

[fossil crag]

DUH!!! im sorry im still working on cup of coffee 1 LOL

[strong cave]

Honestly looks fine to me

[fossil crag]

im still fuzzy AF atm I had a ruff morning LOL

[fossil crag]

oo dud that thang slapped!!! well still slaps but I moved on to faster and much moe fun flavor LOL

but this is the baby

[strong cave]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/wMKhiSlu

HHF is fun but give this a tickle

[fossil crag]

Im not much of a PVE sniper but hell yeah dog

[strong cave]

sniping is dead simple for div 2

[fossil crag]

im a pve door camper hahah open world leg. missions yeah camp them dooor!!!!

but when I do snipe in pve I jsut go 4 hot shot, Chain killer and haps/prov vig call it a day

[strong cave]

airaldi setup would provide better benefits for MMR unless you have the unicorn 2 habs

personally I use this for door camping: https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/SNelYTY1

and all sorts of camping

[fossil crag]

I had it... have it on my OG main acc, that got nipped but not on this acc, and yess it deff would but I stopped using it after I farmed out my HHHF

[strong cave]

build station is bugged rn and missing the pistol damage from claw's out

could easily just ditch claws for IA and run ODogs and plenty of damage. up to the user tho

[hexed steppe]

why not 2 hotshot instead of the 2 habs?

[strong cave]

why? well, mainly due to the fact i had those pieces drop so I figured F--- it imma use em 💀

[fossil crag]

It definitely be like that

[strong cave]

sitting on 3 unicorns and none of them will be used in ANY best optimal build

[hexed steppe]

such is life

[fossil crag]

I have three unity ally, chess pieces rolled, crit crit unbreakable talk about unicorns. I will probably never use lol

[strong cave]

i really want that perfect backpack and chest mannnnnn

[hexed steppe]

yeah, but kindof a dead set, no?

[strong cave]

Fairly dead but honestly gearsets are all we use I'm trying to find interesting combos

[fossil crag]

witch set..?

[hexed steppe]

habs

[fossil crag]

No i wouldnt say its its "dead" jsut its a PITFA to get the rolls you need and prob much moe easier to find somthing equal/a little less** -moe better peace (idk why I said see LOL)

I see haps as a unicorn brand if you get the unicorn peace use it if not then there is somthing better out there

[hexed steppe]

for that type of setup you need the mmr damage, where the handling rolls and hsd from brand is kinda not a huge impact. the fact that its a pita and can be filled with something thatll give a higher top end makes it at least a relegated to a curiosity if not fully dead

granted if they are already farmed then use

[fossil crag]

I went full HSD when i ran hotshot, now it wwas only for like 1 day on thias acc till I got my hunter stuff but when hotshot 1st came out I was also all HSD jsut how I did it I had no probs killing everything haha

[hexed steppe]

this is what i been using. caveat being if i was going full mmr and not mmr/rifle combo, i would be using 2-3hotshot instead of breaking.

[fossil crag]

I dont think tha BP was out when I was using pve sniper stuff

But I liek that that looks good looks like you can kill all things hha

[hexed steppe]

yeah, for sure. most of the mmr setups, just adding overdogs makes a big impact.

i use mantis with too , but shroud has the highest top end between the 2

[fossil crag]

Like I said I was all hsd I used the white death and when lazy dertermend if not lazy opp 👍 and jsut aimed heads 1 shot on a red and it was a roll after that LOL

[fossil crag]

but then I took 2 of then hot shot peaces rolled HSD off and CHC on and made a nemmy PVP sniper build its FREAKING STUPID!!!! lol

[junior lagoon]

What is the best chance of finding emperor's guard knee pads with crit on it? Countdowns? Or are they dz exclusive

[fossil crag]

They are dark zone exclusive so waiting for that brand or knee pads as targeted loot in the dark zone is best. Now you can wait for them to come to the countdown vendor or a dark zone vendor. But at the dark zone vendor, you need dark zone credits, money. You can also do countdown and buy the name cashes pray for a chanceor you retaliation and or descent and pray you get the blueprint

[hexed steppe]

dz exclusive or named caches

blueprint from reconstructed caches iirc

[junior lagoon]

Are recon caches random?

Never built one

[fossil crag]

yup 100% random blue print, but you will never get 2 of the same blueprint

[sterile solstice]

@pine token

[austere oasis]

why the flip is everyone running the same 2 piece unit alloys, 3 piece strikers battle gear and overdogs.

[sterile solstice]

cuz fun

[smoky latch]

4pcs Striker's. Unless they use NBB

[austere oasis]

it just feels like seeing clones lmao

[strong cave]

Who needs 130% amp from 4 piece striker? 3 piece ftw

[honest helm]

Would Chatterbox, Coyote Mask, Striker, Equalizer be a good build or a no go?

[strong cave]

No

[honest helm]

Shame

[austere oasis]

try mixing in a liquid engineer or something

[hexed steppe]

you sure youre not seeing equalizer/overdog/4pc striker ? if there are a bunch of 3pc striker clones then there isnt much hope for xbox fielding intelligent agents

[austere oasis]

some are that build, i just see a lot of 2 piece unit alloy with the 3 pc striker n overdogs

[honest helm]

I like that bag with oro.

[austere oasis]

the equalizer is used a ton i thinks

[hexed steppe]

chalk it up to youtube builds then. xbox is doomed

[austere oasis]

my build is 1 pc walker harris, 3 pc unit alloys, eagle’s grasp, and momento

most of my gear is 15.0 weapon damage

[strong cave]

💀 Xbox af build

[austere oasis]

the memento is god rolled tho..

[strong cave]

Godroll ≠ good

[honest helm]

Personally I use it cause I like the high RPM and it just slots in easily

[strong cave]

Yes memento is good but godrolled items can still be a hunk of shit

[austere oasis]

it works well enough for me :p

[hexed steppe]

it might be worth slotting in ceska over walker. memento is pretty crit starved... what do the chc/chd look like

[austere oasis]

31.8 crit chance overall, 68.5 crit damage overall

[strong cave]

That's so ass

[austere oasis]

im shd 232 so probably

[strong cave]

My girlfriend is shd 596 and her CHC is 57% and CHD is 159% 😂

Shd level plays only a 10% CHC role in the stats

[hexed steppe]

yeah its a but low. watch wont make up enough tho.

wip im assuming

[austere oasis]

not really tbh, i don’t focus too hard on chc and chd for most pieces of gear

[honest helm]

I mean at 232 you're more than likely still refining a lot of gear for the rolls and stats you'd want.

[hexed steppe]

ran something like this , would suggest ar to take advantage... personally, i prefer nego for dps over all else

[strong cave]

What difficulty content are you even playing?

[austere oasis]

challenging-heroic

[strong cave]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm solo?

[austere oasis]

usually w/ my clan but sometimes solo

[hexed steppe]

all good

[strong cave]

They're definitely doing 99% of the work

[austere oasis]

how’s that?

[hexed steppe]

dps strength really hinges on chc/ chd being dialed in. hitting around 50-60 chc then all else into chd will make a big difference

[strong cave]

And if you plan on actually dealing damage, you'll need to know how to properly manage builds and talents and crunch simple numbers. Without knowing so will basically just yield you as no better than a player controlled decoy

[honest helm]

Then again if you don't want to focus it you could go Skill/Support route.

Usually I run Red for Solo, Yellow for Group, and a tank build is still pending.

[hexed steppe]

well compared to a 3pc striker, highend probably still outdamages , even if not optimized

[strong cave]

I've got one that's actually not bad

[honest helm]

Feel free to share it I'm still sifting through ideas.

[strong cave]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/JwZfPfWL

expertising even the armor pieces is worth it for the armor regen increase

works very well in groups. its got a few legendary runs under its belt so if youre pretty decent or have a fairly coordinated group, your groups will be fairly happy

[honest helm]

Uses my favorite shotty so it's definitely of interest. I wish it felt stronger to use cause even with EP Vile it just ended up feeling lacking for me.

[fossil crag]

CAn I ask whats the obsession with the over dogs..?

like real question I read them, scratched my head and put them in my locker LOL

but with that said I dont think they would work with any of my builds/play style LOL

[strong cave]

@fossil crag 30% amp if you follow this list

Target those enemy types and you'll have glass cannon on gloves

[fossil crag]

whast happens if you killa outta sequince

[strong cave]

Nothing. You just don't get the 30% amp

Exodus is basically unbreakable on gloves

[fossil crag]

I guess if you can make them work hell yeah thats a lotta extra work for me hahah

[strong cave]

It's effortless when you do it enough

[fossil crag]

they both are as seen on tv gloves in my eyes hahaha

[fossil crag]

it become 2nd nature

[hexed steppe]

Imagine it as conditional perfect glass with no downside. With something like nego the high ranks can also be hit with the extra amp through the transfer

[fossil crag]

now "nego the high ranks can also be hit with the extra amp through the transfer ".. good for the boomer..?

[hexed steppe]

Anywhere you used to use coyote, overdogs outclasses

[hexed steppe]

For 1 shot, yeah I imagine so

As long as your target meets condition, marks take the damage

[fossil crag]

naa jsut for the standered LFG chilling boomer fight... is anyboomer fight chill with LFG..? JK JK

ill ahve to tell corps to try them out when he is nego boomer

also @strong cave and @hexed steppe thank you for the info, Im not good at reading/understanding what I read sometimes liek the over dog discrip. LOL thang confused the hell outta me hahaha

I know my friend explaied it to me how ever long ago, but I be forgetting LOL

[copper yarrow]

Are there any situations where TS would be better than Strikers or vice versa

[strong cave]

Legendary/Master or raids

[chilly tendon]

Guys please is salvo and equalizer better than grupo obliterate and ceska? I don't like ober dogs

[copper yarrow]

I'm guessing striker>TS on lego?

[strong cave]

Ceska + equalizer is fine

[strong cave]

It's about equal

[copper yarrow]

Cool cool

[chilly tendon]

U sure? 20% sr dmg. I i dont have them to test

[strong cave]

2 piece unit is okay but you're cutting a lot of damage

[chilly tendon]

Cutting a lot of dmg in what?

[strong cave]

Mag damage / sustained

[chilly tendon]

I swear I still don't get u . Salvo and equalizer will give 20% ar and rof. Grupo and ceska maybe more crits but less dmg. Im running famas

[shy terrace]

wanna ask

is this a good build, the yellow vest is the bober and the kneepads are the fox's prayer

[meager fog]

Crit Damage > AR damage

[strong cave]

By choosing not to go ceska at all, you now have to make up 8% CHC and you lose 12% CHD as well bc that CHD is now CHC due to the loss of ceska piece. Additionally, 20% AR damage does not make up the loss of choosing over dogs, which is 30% amplified damage to lowest tier enemies. Additionally, crit damage is worth more than any specific weapons damage (AR, LMG, etc)

[chilly tendon]

Ok thanks both. So the best choice 100% is od gloves and equalizer bar none?

[meager fog]

That is the highest current DPS set up, yes

[strong cave]

Additionally as well, by not having the crits like you would on say a ceska setup, you're lowing your overall magazine damage and sustained damage just to be able to kill a little bit faster due to ROF and your gun likely being an assault rifle. So it boosts AR front end damage

But it does not help your overall total DPS. It shrinks it

By like a 1% margin against ceska. Ish. It's very minor

[chilly tendon]

Thanks I haven't played in 2 years and all of this is new to me

[strong cave]

ODogs and Ceska OR Equalizer are both the heavy meta rn

Ceska is still good, Unit Alloys good as well. It's a "pick your poison" situation now

[chilly tendon]

My only thing is I don't know how to maintain od dmg

[meager fog]

Ceska if you're struggling for the Crit, Equaliser if you can make up the crit elsewhere.

[chilly tendon]

Its cool ill wat,h a youtube video

[chilly tendon]

Make it up elsewhere where? Ive got tons of materials

[strong cave]

iKia is the one to watch for builds

[meager fog]

With mods etc, so if you have good CHC mods, 5.8-6% and a maxed watch then you use Equaliser for the absolute highest DPS but it's only marginally better.

If you don't have good CHC mods, or you're using a crit starved gun, Ceska will help make it up

[subtle bluff]

um.. what are you trying to do here?

[shy terrace]

amour regen and team armour regen

[subtle bluff]

Not the best idea nor even mid way of doing it..

[strong cave]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/JwZfPfWL

[subtle bluff]

His post

You can't "armor regen" your team.. It's either you repair them or get them bonus armor.

[meager fog]

Perfect Vanguard and Galvanise is the GOAT of team help ❤️

[subtle bluff]

Even the build above is... only good in CD or heroic stuff

imo

[shy terrace]

i mean repair armour + bonus and self heal all in one

[chilly tendon]

No I do i got 12 chd so ill go with equalizer and od gloves. Thanks man

[strong cave]

It can clear harder content. It's got a few legendary and master clears. Just needs a decent ish group

[subtle bluff]

again imo. Not saying it can't. Trying to fit the context.

[meager fog]

You can't do everything. You're either good at one of them, or bad at all of them

[strong cave]

Group doesn't have to be perfect but damage is needed

[strong cave]

I got ya 🤝

[chilly tendon]

Yeah I watch his live streams. On yt i havent played in prolly 2 years thats why only

[subtle bluff]

Refactor will do what you're trying better.. Then the meta FI will do the best hands down.

[chilly tendon]

Whags FI?

[meager fog]

Future INitiative

[subtle bluff]

Sorry for replying to you too many names to click thru

[chilly tendon]

Sorry.my bad i thought you where telling me. Something lol

[subtle bluff]

why I delete the msg

[chilly tendon]

Ok time to grind countdown for equalizer

[shy terrace]

tbf it does team heal really well and is good in a co-op setting

[subtle bluff]

It'll do fine up some heroic group setting but once you go harder it fall behind really fast

[strong cave]

Nothing team heals better than future initiative

[subtle bluff]

A lot will do better than just having a Red FI and Bittersweet has the support pieces.

[strong cave]

Say how is that honestly? The bounciness makes it annoying to use

[subtle bluff]

heck... Bluescren OD Galvanize is good.

[strong cave]

I feel like it needs a buff where just doing Bodyshots adds up stacks and then shooting somebody for heals makes it reward headshots

[subtle bluff]

Hated it. I see where it's decent just a lot effort.

[strong cave]

Seems like you and I reached the same conclusion

[subtle bluff]

By my context was trying it on leggo

[strong cave]

Me on heroic 💀

[shy terrace]

tbf i did a legendary stronghold with a team and it was pretty easy

[strong cave]

I gave up and went right back to Scorpio

[shy terrace]

and that was with a weaker varient too

[strong cave]

It's definitely not controller friendly

Oh you meant in general and nothing to do with Bittersweet

See legendary really isn't that hard. It just depends on the players

[subtle bluff]

when was that?

[shy terrace]

the build with bittersweet

[shy terrace]

like 2 days ago i think

[subtle bluff]

I mean if a good team will do a lot..

Again I tried it out on leggo with a better build and I know I could be doing more with other builds like I've already mentioned.

[shy terrace]

i honestly like the bittersweet but maybe just cause im on pc

[subtle bluff]

If you were helping me here it wouldn't have changed much

we're all on PC here chatting... Purple = PC

[fossil crag]

I had a team mate using it in conflict so I put on my reggy build i was could not die LOL

like Im about to die then bam armor for days LOL

[shy terrace]

i was wondering about its use in conflict

like is it good in there

[subtle bluff]

getting 8 HS off in PvP sounds.... a bit hard..

[shy terrace]

thats what i was thinking

[meager fog]

Could be worse, at least there's no bunny hoppers in Division 2 🤣

[subtle bluff]

unless he had a cheater on his team...

[fossil crag]

i mean he keep me alive i was reggy and in the thick of it he was getting his head shots so yeah it was nice.

[shy terrace]

I mean on pc headshots aren't that hard

a lifetime of payday 2 has really reinforced that skill

[fossil crag]

try it out It was easy casue the opp was dealing with me and wasnt even looking at him

[strong cave]

Wait until you guys run into tryhard strafers

[shy terrace]

I'll give it a try

[fossil crag]

in the setting i had a team mate I was teh big sheild reggy so they was jsut standing still more or less LOL

ez head shot for my team mate and my self lol

[shy terrace]

wait until the reggy max damage mfs

with the base shield

[strong cave]

Region plays a factor too. Played again some EU guys in dz. They were a bit ez

[fossil crag]

na i ditch the sheild, pull out rpk and shoot straight no moving he will run intop my bullets

[shy terrace]

dz is way easier than conflict imo

[fossil crag]

with tons of running haha thats my only grip about pvp ing in the dz running, and dont click the wrong cp to respawn when you want teh safe house LOL

[shy terrace]

nah they were sitting with a shield round the corner and you could not so any damage cause his teammates were sitting right behind him

this was at spawn too

[strong cave]

I can agree

[shy terrace]

never the less I lost that game (pretty ovbs why)

I wish I got system corrupt and I could make my PvP stealth build

[strong cave]

It's not great. But you can easily farm for it now

[shy terrace]

how, I have done a good chunk of my season pass

[strong cave]

Global events. Spend stars on legacy caches

[shy terrace]

what global event

Hollywood is gone

[strong cave]

Yes. During global events spend stars on legacy caches

[smoky latch]

Alternative is Yaahl Gear; but it's also a DZ set - with no other drop chances other than DZ and randomly some vendor. Exception is the Hollow Man mask which can drop from named item caches.

[shy terrace]

unfortunately it would force me to use 2 pulse resistances and it has similar drops to the sys corrupt

a part of stealth PvP build is that you have 100% pulse resistance

[smoky latch]

3x Yaahl also gives you 90% pulse res with full SHD watch. Would only need one 10% pulse res mod

[gentle lichen]

Btw it just helps with pulse immunity there are many other ways any player could tell exactly where you are

[versed summit]

Watch doesn't matter, just enough spec points for the perk.

[smoky latch]

Oh my bad

[shy terrace]

ok, didn't know that, another thing is that SC has the armour replacements and the hidden nameplate for 5 seconds

[smoky latch]

Sorry, my bad, strike the SHD watch part 😄

But you still need only 1x 10% pulse res mod anyway

[shy terrace]

which mix with the exodus gloves and a plate with a buff that gives bonus armour on break and your practically invincible

and invisible

[gentle lichen]

The humble 1 shot

[strong cave]

It's terrible

Anything sys corr or stealth wise, you think of it, I've likely already tried it. The meta is what it is sadly

[stable mantle]

Can anyone give me the best method for finding the parts for the chatterbox smg. I have 11 keys

[fossil crag]

the only NJB build I have LOL 100 PR in conflict

also 99% pulse res heartbraker can override that with head shots you ahve to be 100%

[subtle bluff]

You can ask here but in #ask-td2-community may get a quicker answer.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah good one you're invisible for like 3-5 seconds or something. not enough to get far away and completely out of battle

[subtle bluff]

If you're gonna go on about PvP plz use #td2-pvp-discussions

[cerulean smelt]

@gentle hound hotshot talent

[rotund pewter]

Does Pestilence talent work with ND?

[cerulean smelt]

it doesn't help spread the debuff through the transfer

[rotund pewter]

Does ND only deal damage from ch's caused by actual weapon damage?

[cerulean smelt]

that's what spreads the damage. you crit 3-5 targets. then every crit damage you do spreads that damage to those 3-5 targets

[rotund pewter]

Ok so what you were saying was that the pestilence debuff damage doesnt spread through the marked targets

[cerulean smelt]

i'm assuming you're thinking if you shoot 1 target after marking your 3-5 targets would apply the pestilence debuff to those 3-5 targets while you're increasing the stacks for it?

[rotund pewter]

Yes

But the debuff would have to cause a critical hit which Im not sure is possible

Im not really sure how the talent works

[cerulean smelt]

so yeah, the shooting 1 target doesn't build stacks on the other marked targets for the pestilience, so it doesn't spread the debuff stacks

every time you hit a target wtih pestilence you get a stack that when it does it'll do more damage with the stacks you ahve on your pestilience debuff when the initial target dies with those stacks and then those stacks countdown until you have to restack it back to maximum for more damage
so basically each stack increases the dot damage
each lost stack decreases the damage and the time it stays on your target if it dies with any stacks on it

[rotund pewter]

Ooohhh right right I forgot when I shoot the other targets I am already applying the debuff to them. I get it now

[cerulean smelt]

funnily enough i got a ND build with merciless + turmoil and things die too quickly for me 😹 just a fun build for me anyways

[rotund pewter]

I put turmoil on my TS for fun and it was actually pretty crazy lol

[cerulean smelt]

i once had a pestilience build where i used turmoil to do less damage so i can stack so much pestilence debuff it was actually pretty funny 😹

[rotund pewter]

I threw Pest on my ND and it's kind of crazy that I never see anyone use it it seems really underused its honestly like an easy room clearing/good survivability build because you just shoot everybody and then focus on the guy with the most armor and then all of a sudden everyone is dead, and if you start taking a lot of damage just hide and wait for everyone to die from pest talent lol

[rotund pewter]

Sounds like basically the same thing haha just defuff the shit out of everyone then hide and wait for them all to die 😂

[cerulean smelt]

debuff 1 or 2, while clearing a room is ironic 😹

[subtle bluff]

ND is doing the damage not the weapon.

[subtle bluff]

If things aren't that healthy it's easier to just kill them one by one.

[rotund pewter]

Not sure what you mean

ND doesnt just cause damage out of thin air

[astral kraken]

he's saying that if you go ND then you dont really need pesti

since ND is doing all the work

[cerulean smelt]

people like using it with i think CoCo becuase the weapon damage stacks of that goes into your tick damage oddly enough, even though Striker does the same thing but the weapon damage doesn't increase your debuff tick damage

[astral kraken]

the other nice thing about coco is the 30% weapon handling

since pesti has issues with reload time

[rotund pewter]

Oh I mean yea not really but with other weapons you still have to poke your head out and shoot, whereas with Pest Im finding that I have the debuff that gives me a bit more breathing room where I dont have to stick my head out but enemeies will still take a lot of damage

[astral kraken]

i recently tried HE pesti again on another character and reload time felt slow motion

[rotund pewter]

The reload time and 100 mag size is an issue lol

[cerulean smelt]

i personaly like the high end pestilience build over coco

[onyx sage]

then you don't need ND, you can use another build that makes pesti tick hit harder

ND works with many other weapons that are better than pesti for it

ND's beauty is it works with many weapons, but it doesn't have synergy with pesti because pesti needs higher weapon damage and weapon handling, ND provides neither

[rotund pewter]

Yea it has a good fire rate but everything else is pretty terrible

[onyx sage]

i've been enjoying frenzy with it a lot rn

[rotund pewter]

Yea that looks fun haha

[astral kraken]

what a buzzsaw holy

[onyx sage]

that was 1 minute

probably fastest croc pit clear ever rn

[cerulean smelt]

damn seriously? 👀

[rotund pewter]

How essential is ND bag

[cerulean smelt]

gives 112% transfer crit damage

[onyx sage]

if you use ND in the right situation it's the best backpack to use

[cerulean smelt]

before project resolve i think it was 100%?

[onyx sage]

yes

[rotund pewter]

I had the idea the use Ninjabike to get more mag size and weapon handling for pest and still have ND lol but would have to lose the bag :/

[onyx sage]

no lol it's not worth

[cerulean smelt]

and take a nerf 😹

[solar sable]

nbb is just a straight nerf for pve

[astral kraken]

you're not just losing the bag. you're also losing either overdogs or glass cannon chest.

[cerulean smelt]

backpack talents are too strong to skip for getting 1 extra brand/gearset out of it

[astral kraken]

it's a massive dps loss

[hexed steppe]

just go coco with pesti

[rotund pewter]

I know I always try it for fun and it always sucks lol

[astral kraken]

a man of culture 🥂

[rotund pewter]

tried with Strikers

not good

[onyx sage]

i try stuff for funsies until i stumble on the best stuff accidentally

[rotund pewter]

What is even coco

[onyx sage]

the drug this season's new gear set

[cerulean smelt]

Concentrated Company. a gearset that works well with LMG

[solar sable]

short for Concentrated Company lmao

[astral kraken]

also think about what the backpack is giving you. because once you understand you'll see how strong ND can be. you have 3 marked enemies and 2 are receiving transferred damage. when the backpack goes from 60->112% transfered damage (52%) it's doing that to two marked targets. so it's actually increasing your damage transfer by 104% (double).

[rotund pewter]

But faster reload time though

[onyx sage]

coco gives 30% handling

[rotund pewter]

haha

[cerulean smelt]

every stack you gain gives you 1% crit hit damage and i think something else?

[astral kraken]

this is where damage calculation is very useful. because reload time is factored into sustained DPS. if you learn how to use a damage calculator you can see how much that reload time is actually giving you.

[subtle bluff]

The last few runs with you I've been doing it with Striker Chest just because I knew I could stacks it.

[rotund pewter]

thats unfortunate I was trashing all of the coco stuff it didnt seem great by the description oops

[onyx sage]

unironically it's the best gear set to use with pesti

i just don't like using it because i play solo most of the time

the average player in this game usually plays solo

[gloomy spruce]

How I view ND and pesti is like this. The Pesti provides a decently high magazine LMG. It is easy to tag lots of targets and if you get the crit up, you can line up lots of people. The stacks from the pesti do not translate into extra damage per se. What is happening when you use them together is that you have 2 sources of crowd control damage running at the same time independent to each other. They do not interact directly but the combination of the 2 effecting multiple targets at a time is what gives them a strange type of synergy.

[meager fog]

Drone/Turret helps stack it pretty fast but it definitely shines in groups

[rotund pewter]

Same here I just get bored of using the same shit all the time

[subtle bluff]

I mean when people think both ND and Turmoil will spread weapons debuffs....

[onyx sage]

i'm just here waiting for sheriff to come out really. that's the only thing i'm looking forward to this season

[astral kraken]

i'm looking forward to the surge event ending

[meager fog]

Another long range shotgun weee

[onyx sage]

waiting for zoo jail?

[astral kraken]

massive please stop with events that can't be turned off. thanks for coming to my ted talk.

[cerulean smelt]

is that this seasons exotic climax?

[meager fog]

But this time its an actual shotgun, and not a rifle pretending to be a shotgun

[astral kraken]

roosevelt jail. trying to hit sub-20. my pb is a tragic 20:51.

[subtle bluff]

my only opinion about that is if you haven't learn how to play one build well you won't learn how the gameplay works well enough to take on the end game stuff.

[onyx sage]

mine is 19:05, you can probably beat that too with quickstep

[astral kraken]

then getting a good pb in capitol. then dua. then zoo. then finally tidal. that's the plan for 2026.

[cerulean smelt]

nah, pentagon 😹

[meager fog]

As long as MSV don't mess it up, yeah

[astral kraken]

for zoo though i wanna see if i can do it with glass

[onyx sage]

but but you die in 2 shots

[astral kraken]

i have no clue how im gonna do birdhouse lmao

[solar sable]

blue cores bro

[cerulean smelt]

would it be 1 shot if you combined glass + blacklisters? 🤔

[rotund pewter]

Oh you don't worry about that I'm a Striker professional 😂

[meager fog]

If you combine the two you explode when shot, like the old instagib guns from Unreal Tournament

[astral kraken]

i wish blacklisters gave more. like 40% amp. then i'd find a place to use it.

[cerulean smelt]

i'd feel 60% would be good too since we're taking 600% damage 💀

[astral kraken]

yea. i did use it a bit to feel it out. the biggest danger is when a rusher is pushing you (and you have no choice but to mark the rusher) or when there are like two scary enemies left

[rotund pewter]

I still need those stupid dog gloves who wants to help me

[cerulean smelt]

what about a dog mask? 💀

[onyx sage]

u mean overdogs?

[rotund pewter]

Hell naw just the gloves baby

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 wonder if they'll do something similar to last april fool's event 😹 the tears people cried over the free exotics

[rotund pewter]

Yea those ones

Im goin to use ND with Pest and prove everyone wrong

[onyx sage]

i'm sure you can do it

[cerulean smelt]

so, 3 ND, Ninja backpack, 2 UA for 150 mag? 😹

[meager fog]

A mask that gives you a 50% damage amp, but you take 1% of the damage you deal 😁

[cerulean smelt]

nah it'll be Lexington 2.0 with this talent 😹

we shouldn't give Devs ideas 😹

what if a weapon that pairs with Turmoil but changes the turmoil spread damage to 100% while we take the 1% damage from that 😹

[smoky latch]

Not a bad idea

[gloomy spruce]

OMG did someone say 🥷 🚲 backpack!!!!

[cerulean smelt]

looks around who did? 🤔

[gloomy spruce]

Really tho, I have seen all the anti-ninjabike backpack propaganda. There is one talent in PvE that often makes the NBB a joke. I have made my complaints about that one talent before and everyone rolls their eyes.

I will just say that talent is strangely very bad in PvP and so the NBB is strangely good in PvP. Coincidence, I think not...

At what point do we look at the dominant backpack talent in PvE for the past 5 years running?

[cerulean smelt]

honestly i feel if they added talents to it would make it a little more viable but people are like "it'd be too powerful then" i don't see it honestly

can make it just work in PVE and in PVP it'll work as it is now maybe? 🤔

[gloomy spruce]

If they made the 2nd and 3rd tier brandset bonuses more attractive, it would really help.

The other factor is that the one talent that I am alluding to is foundational to most high level players and groups. Other talents should be examined to be as reliable.

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 i'd be half tempted to do a 2 Arcabuz, 2 unit alloy then whatever ceska for the 5th highend piece for that 100% ammo thing 😹

[gloomy spruce]

There is just the matter of losing that 20% damage in the process. You know the whole cutting out a 25% almost constant bonus which reciprocates to a 20% damage loss.

[cerulean smelt]

not too worried about doing a huge amount of damage. would be just a fun build for me

[meager fog]

It would be better if alot of the brandsets had better bonuses in the first place. There are a large amount that are just crap lol

[gloomy spruce]

I have made lots of fun builds with the NBB, but in the end there is the fact that they are non-optimal and that fact is not lost on me.

[gloomy spruce]

I think the devs had good intentions, but the past (the whole year one berserk/clutch reckless play meta) has still made them overly cautious.

Combine the fact that they don't want to create a set that is too OP and dominant; and we have what we have.

[meager fog]

There could be small changes to kits to make things more useful.

For me, Sokolov is one of the only sets where all 3 stats are useful for it's purpose (SMG damage, CHC and CHD)

I know there are better options, but it works well with the gun style it's designed for

[gloomy spruce]

The 2 most powerful items in the game when combined with each other are the Sacrifice and the Gift. People complain about striker, but a well build 3pc providence build with those 2 combined with overdogs, grupo and now the UA holster has no ramp up, high crit and strong consistent damage.

They are a direct contrast to the first year meta.

Not even on the cutting board for a nerf either.

[gloomy spruce]

Sokolov is slept on

[cerulean smelt]

i do enjoy the 3 providence

[meager fog]

Take Fenris for example. +50% stability as the third attribute when (most) ARs are already laser like.

Could change the second bonus to Weapon handling instead of Reload speed

[cerulean smelt]

so much they can do, but only make little changes on other things

[gloomy spruce]

The other thing that might make it interesting is "what if they added a special lower level talent for the 3rd tier of a brandset?"

It would make brand sets similar to exotic gear in being mini gear sets.

[meager fog]

Or, double the brand bonuses for wearing the full set

So wearing 3/3 Fenris gives 20% AR damage, 60% reload speed and 100% stability

[cerulean smelt]

what if Ninja did that for brands alone? cause obviously gearsets would get too strong if it did that

cause 120% striker would be too strong as it is 😹

[meager fog]

I have I think pitched that idea before. To change the NBB talent to instead of adding an additional bonus doubles the ones you have.

So instead of giving the second bonus for wearing a Fenris piece, it would double the AR damage recieved from wearing one piece

[astral kraken]

they should add ninjabike messenger shoes. they do what nbb does for all 6 pieces but all bonuses are reduced by half.

[cerulean smelt]

that'll be this years april fools item 😹

[meager fog]

6pc Ninjabike when?

[astral kraken]

and they should make the squish squish sound when you run. that sound the outkast rushers make.

[cerulean smelt]

nah, give our agents a chuckle and they keep doing taht 😹

[meager fog]

Ninjabike shoes:

Doubles sprint speed but each step deals 10 damage

[cerulean smelt]

double sprint speed and auto vaults over cover?

[meager fog]

Doubles speed, but only when running backwards

[rotund pewter]

Well I solo'd the first 2 area's of Tidal Basin Legendary but Im not sure I want to spend the next 8 hours trying to finish it lol

[cerulean smelt]

why i don't run Legendaries 😹

[rotund pewter]

I only need TB for the completion rewards but yea after I do the legendaries its only heroic. not worse the small xp difference

worth*

[cerulean smelt]

so you've already gotten zoo?

[cerulean smelt]

i think zoo is more of an extracurricular thing to do legendary wise, but probably isn't needed in what you're doing

[astral kraken]

how long did those 2 rooms take you?

[rotund pewter]

oh duh forgot about zoo

[rotund pewter]

Like 20 minutes lol

[astral kraken]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIfxjySnWC4

guide for clearing it in a reasonable time

there are much much faster ways but it's more for your first clear

@rotund pewter the only thing that's different now is the part at 30:55. that part is waaaay easier now because the enemies get stuck all the way in the back.

so you just hop over the wall, run to the back, and kill them safely. there's a barrier that the enemies just won't cross ever.

there'll be a chopper spawn above you which should be easy to kill

then a chopper spawn behind you with just 3 enemies

[rotund pewter]

Oh sweet

[copper yarrow]

What're some suggestions for LMGs to use with Strikers? good balance of mag size and RPM

[astral kraken]

1. iron lung
2. iron lung
3. iron lung

if you don't have an iron lung you can swap it out for iron lung

[copper yarrow]

I love it's relad sound effect

[copper yarrow]

idk man I feel like an iron lung would be the better choice here

[onyx sage]

tbh i would just recommend iron lung over anything on this list

[copper yarrow]

a question about it tho, when I proc the fire bullets and hit mini tanks or war hounds, it says immune for like half the mag, dies it mean I'm dealing less damage to them vs if I used a normal LMG?

[onyx sage]

yes

[cerulean smelt]

immune because you can't set them on fire 😹

[onyx sage]

tho i wouldn't consider it much damage at all

[solar sable]

did anyone already recommend Iron Lung?

[astral kraken]

wait no

[copper yarrow]

Yea but I'm still dealing normal bullet dmg to them right?

[onyx sage]

the fire damage is pretty miniscule, its effect is why u use it

[onyx sage]

yeah, the fire is just on top

[cerulean smelt]

was there an april fools iron lung drop? like Gold Lung? Fire Lung?

[astral kraken]

the weapon damage is still applying

[copper yarrow]

cool. Tha'ts what I really wanted to know lol, sorry for bad wording

[cerulean smelt]

it's a good question honestly

[onyx sage]

i would keep a secondary along with it for those situations where you wanna burst down electronics faster

like smg-9 or an AR

[subtle bluff]

DOT's that don't have a way to direct scale it's base dmg is miniscule in dmg.

[cerulean smelt]

another iron lung?

[astral kraken]

iron lung works too

[onyx sage]

bell ringer is best actually

[cerulean smelt]

with a bat VFX drone? 🤔

[onyx sage]

if iron lung has a strong effect on the enemy, bell ringer has an effect u feel strongly about

[copper yarrow]

lexingtom with measured or converted SMG9 with unwavering sound good?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[cerulean smelt]

i kind of wished the bell ringer had the Salvation Army bell ringing honestly

[astral kraken]

@copper yarrow other good options are pestilence and mk49/gr-9 with frenzy. people hate on the bullet king but i like it for certain situations where consistent fire is more important than raw damage.

[onyx sage]

i run famas measured cuz most likely i'm gonna be at close range

[astral kraken]

but i wouldn't use bk as a main for general play. it's worth having one for when you think it'd be useful.

[cerulean smelt]

lies, with your playstyle i bet you can make the huntsman great

[copper yarrow]

I use GR9 with measured too, it's good. Someone else told me against the Pesti cause it's reload speed is too slow and u lose Striker stacks

[onyx sage]

huntsman just sucks rn lol

try gr9 with frenzy, u won't look back, treat it like an OP secondary weapon that you use when there's a big spawn

[cerulean smelt]

this made me laugh hard. thanks

[astral kraken]

well striker buffs the reload speed for pesti. pesti striker is really really good.

[subtle bluff]

Hey, P. Tank take my HE BH build and use a Huntsman has it's secondary 😄

[onyx sage]

this is on negotiator but u can see gr9 frenzy putting in work

[cerulean smelt]

nah, should make use of that First Sight as secondary 😹

[subtle bluff]

But also that require some gameplay and knowledge...

[copper yarrow]

Ty I will try it

[onyx sage]

that's why u treat it like a secondary

[astral kraken]

knowledge on how to go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt

[cerulean smelt]

for me it's knowledge where to find all them ammo boxes 😹

[astral kraken]

lol yea ive gotten carried away and burned through it all for sure

ive been using it on the roosevelt marauders

[onyx sage]

yeah i only use it like up to 3 times max in one go

[copper yarrow]

Damn I never thought about keeping a Frenzy weapon at 0 mag in my 2nd slot and then busting it out whenever needed

[astral kraken]

average brain so wrinkly

[onyx sage]

that's the play with frenzy

tho i don't recommend using 2 LMGs or you'll run out of ammo in tight situations

[copper yarrow]

Going to try and force myself to learn how to play with Strikers with PGC+ P.Vigilance and Strikers with PGC + Overdogs

[onyx sage]

you see me using elmo as my main weapon, but frenzy is like a baby nuke that you just swap to for the right situation

[astral kraken]

ONE OF US!

[solar sable]

OMG YES PLEASE ITS SO MUCH FUN IM NOT BEING SARCASTIC

[astral kraken]

welcome to the club. refreshments are in the back. crying corner is by reservation only.

[onyx sage]

it's never too late to be average

[copper yarrow]

haha thank you guys. Also shoutout to @meager fog for making mea realize red builds don't mean insta death and I was just bad at the game lol

[astral kraken]

this is what you have to look forward to

[cerulean smelt]

don't lie i bet you got blacklisters on 😹

[copper yarrow]

lmaoo

[solar sable]

i like this frame so much

its abstract art, just look at it

[cerulean smelt]

yes, shortly after he eats a grenade

[solar sable]

lmfao

[cerulean smelt]

surprised he didn't salute then asked for anther nade to the face 🤔

[meager fog]

Not bad at the game, just playstyle tweaks 😀

[astral kraken]

ok every time i post that people talk about me eating a nade to the face (which is fair)

but completely ignoring THE INVISIBLE MAN WHO SHOT IT

i almost alt f4'd lol

[subtle bluff]

Wanna a challenge?

[copper yarrow]

that ad shot it from the afterlife

[solar sable]

he pulled the trigger whilst he was going down dead, so his finger slipped and the gun, which fell perfectly in the same position were the host was aiming, shot the grenade making it go in your mouth

I find it concerning that it landed on you having your mouth wide open, maybe you were taking a breath which led to a metal explosive between your teeth

[grand girder]

atleast it wasnt the assterlife

[astral kraken]

hahaha doomz amazing analysis

[astral kraken]

yes. no. yes. no.

yes.

[subtle bluff]

Use Blacklister.... 💀

[astral kraken]

it would be more fun if it gave more amp

otherwise it just feels like a nerf

if it gave more amp then it could raise the skill ceiling

[subtle bluff]

Ya.. I was able to clear first 2 section of DUA with it.

[grand girder]

can you put the mark on a minitank then just emp it while dealing with everything else?

cause its the first person you shoot right?

[subtle bluff]

Yup

[solar sable]

I love the fact that he vanished right after he downed you

[grand girder]

yeah they phase into their real location

if you look ahead after I die you see him walking

every glitched instance I've had with them they always end up teleporting its hilariously annoying

[honest helm]

When it comes to a regulus build would this first one be a decent one or should I just all out grind for the second one? I mostly play solo challenging.

[subtle bluff]

w/e works for you.

in challenging you can use ANYTHING...

The amount of dmg you need in challenging isn't much.

[honest helm]

I wanted to do the infinite rifle headshot build but it just seemed to never work for me. I'm better head shotting with a pistol so I thought I'd give it a try.

Even with determined and chain killer my chains just seemed to end after one body shot. Maybe I just need a better version of it if anyone has one.

[subtle bluff]

so if you're wanting to do rifles why the 2nd build?

[honest helm]

Damage is more on the second apparently from what I was told.

[subtle bluff]

For a pistol....

Both builds for Pistols...

[honest helm]

Like I said if anyone has refined hotshot build that I could try to aim for I'd take it cause I'd rather not grind out another full gold set or run HF. I can't get determined to drop for the life of me right now. So I used White Death.

[subtle bluff]

We use this on legendary..

In solo up to 4 man.. just fine.. depending on some things... but ya..

[honest helm]

I figured Rifles be too far out for HF tbf.

[subtle bluff]

So lost in context...

UH?

I am lost in your context... You want Rifle HH build.

or you can't make Rifle HH build?

I'll keep it simple...

When I said... You can use anything on Challenging I'm not joking...

[honest helm]

I'll try to make this as clear as I can then. I have a Hotshot, Determined, Chainkiller build I didn't put Vanguard on it as I was still trying to get a good bag. The infinite headshot loop seemed to not work at all while I was playing with it activated. So I was going to try a regulus build unless a recommendation comes along so I can try to refine the rifle build because I'm better landing headshots with a pistol.

[subtle bluff]

.....
What are you trying to do?

[honest helm]

I'll try to snag a version of the HF to edit for Headshot today then.

[honest helm]

I quite literally can't make it more clear.

[subtle bluff]

In challenging all you need is mostly red all HSD and HH you can one shot anything

[subtle bluff]

Umm... "Infinite HS loop" doesn't exist due you can't HS kill everything in one shot.

You tried a Regulus build? But?

No you're not being simple. All I know it's a HH build.

You keep saying rifle but not confirming I want to use a rifle.

[honest helm]

I'm quite literally saying I'd prefer to use a rifle build over a regulus one but because the one shot rifle builds I've been shown seem to have something malfunctioning on my end I was going to try to use a regulus.

[subtle bluff]

Wow...
Again... You want a HH Rifle build.

It doesn't matter the name of the weapon.. The type does..

[honest helm]

Then please send one over, and I'll be willing to give it a shot. Cause as stated the problem I'm having is the Determined talent had seemed to be ending after 1 body shot but I've seen plenty of people chain it.

[subtle bluff]

I did...

I've explained the builds or the way you can build towards it.

So there's some disconnect of what you want and what issues your having.

Hence my confusing on the context..

[honest helm]

Determined ending after one body shot when using rifle when for others it seems to endlessly chain. So need to refine things. I'll try the regulus one you posted today after getting a second set for HS damage.

[subtle bluff]

Are you using normal Deteremined or P. Determined?

One subject at time here plz. You're mixing it up and it's not helping this all.

Show your build you're having this issues with.

And stop saying Regulus build....

@honest helm Here.. random build nothing matches.. all HSD the core is HH and Determined.

[subtle bluff]

Determined ending after one body shot when using rifle when for others it seems to endlessly chain
This line to me makes no sense. You're missing the context what you did beforehand what the build is. There again isn't a "endless chain"

Has shown in the clip when that breaks.

[honest helm]

Yes it broken when you shot a breakable on the armored unit which is expected. My chain was dying on regular enemies.

[subtle bluff]

Don't need to repeat what I've shown to me...

[shy willow]

Literally the only two possibilities are you're not killing in one shot or you're using perfect determined as chow mentioned

[subtle bluff]

I want to help you.. But you're not helping to help you..

[honest helm]

Which is why I asked for refinements to see if maybe something was off.

[shy willow]

Honestly it'd be easier if you caught a gameplay snippet and sent your build for added context

[honest helm]

Cause I believe it was.

[shy willow]

So we know exactly what you're talking about

[subtle bluff]

"Refinements" to what?

[honest helm]

Let's just make this as absolutely simple as possible since apparently only I know what I'm saying. What are people's usual Determined Set ups so I can see what the differences are.

[shy willow]

Depends on the weapon you're running

[subtle bluff]

Ya...Show your build....

or tell us what you're using for your:
Chest Slot
And weapon.

Since this is challenge YOU only need 2 things..

I put on 3 because I am lazy making this.

[honest helm]

As stated White Death right now since I can't get anything else with determined to drop.

[subtle bluff]

(context to anyone else looking) Challenge can use anything...

[shy willow]

💀

[subtle bluff]

Do you know how your library works?

[shy willow]

It's easier to just send a screen grab of your build for diagnosis

[honest helm]

I literally don't have anything with Determined to Sacrifice. It's one of the few perks I haven't gotten a single other rifle with.

[subtle bluff]

Do you know how to farm CD?

[grand girder]

don't run determined myself but if I did its this

[subtle bluff]

OK mr. I have the Prefect unicorns showoff......

[grand girder]

nuh uh

[shy willow]

How many newborns were sacrificed

[grand girder]

oh idk about 6000 crafts so 30k mats, aka my entire sanity

[subtle bluff]

@honest helm sooo again... what is your question here that you're looking to be answer.
You've only stated stuff but you've never asked an acutally question...

[grand girder]

another 2/3k crafts for the 4 other unicorn pieces

[shy willow]

^

[honest helm]

Yes.

I'm done clearly we're talking past each other I'll just go back to looking over stuff.

[astral kraken]

So... the issue is your determined chain doesn't continue?

Post your exact build, like a screenshot

[honest helm]

Might try it. Looks neat.

[grand girder]

good luck with those unicorns

[subtle bluff]

You haven't asked an actually question tho... Just stated stuff....

I looked.....

[honest helm]

Eh just something to work on the side.

[shy willow]

Innit😭

[grand girder]

also its super simple if you don't know how to screenshot, hit alt enter to unfullscreen your game and then hit windows key + shift + s

[subtle bluff]

or use phone pic..

[astral kraken]

you can also take a picture of your monitor with your phone. but people might make fun of you.

[grand girder]

^ that would also work

[astral kraken]

do it in portrait

[subtle bluff]

Stop trying to describe the issue. Show us the issus or show the build..

[honest helm]

Here's the template I used of course mine is different as I don't have anything beyond a white death with determined.

Since I'm literally not home to give a pic.

[subtle bluff]

Take off turmoil. There.

[grand girder]

its not his build chow its a template

[subtle bluff]

🤢

[astral kraken]

post your actual build

[honest helm]

Literally. Not. Home.

[astral kraken]

ok post your build when you are home

we will all be here

[subtle bluff]

buildstation.app or https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/

[astral kraken]

i think we need a build screenshot at this point

[shy willow]

There's nothing anybody can do to help you without knowing what you're running

[green halo]

Right lol

[shy willow]

If you have other inquiries shoot but this discussions just gonna go round in circles until you give more info

[honest helm]

[grand girder]

theres about 3 possibility's, 1 you don't have headhunter on. 2 you do have headhunter but are not dealing enough damage to maintain it. 3 you've encountered a one in a billion bug and are the only player determined refuses to work for

[subtle bluff]

So you do know what I am saying when I say HH right? @honest helm

doubtful that latter

[grand girder]

and this is based off you saying for a fact you have determined on white death, which means its not the broken perfect varient

[astral kraken]

if i were to guess: since they're on challenging difficulty, they actually don't have determined proc'd because you can one shot kill a red by hitting the body. so they're hitting the body, killing the red, determined is not proc'ing, they try to shoot a purple, purple doesn't die.

[subtle bluff]

I am more than sure he doesn't have HH..
He keeps stating the build as "Regelus" for some oddball reason..

[fair dragon]

Its a Regular rifle

[subtle bluff]

I'm about to get more blunt.. I'm out.. HF GL

[astral kraken]

look what you did pengy

[fair dragon]

Hunters Fury Grenade Launcher?

[shy willow]

Striker MMR?

[fair dragon]

You know, it could work

During Reanimated

[honest helm]

I'm guessing number 2 since I went out of my way to get Chainkiller. So that or number 3. As stated I'll fix things up based on a different template using a vanguard backpack and keep grinding for another thing with determined.

[grand girder]

genuinely just run 4 piece hotshot with an airaldi backpack and chainkiller

[shy willow]

On challenging I don't even think you need to go fully optimal

[astral kraken]

keep it simple. this is the standard hotshot:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1SAsZoZNPdfnhdWCoEwR4U224kqtae4e2OqcBMjux7Ww/edit?usp=sharing

just do that first. you can make changes later.

[grand girder]

even with bad rolls you should hit for enough

[fair dragon]

You'll probably want to ditch Vanguard for an offensive talent as well, but fwiw anything is viable on Challenging

[subtle bluff]

Why do you keep saying "Vanguard backpack"?

[grand girder]

might be meaning vigilence (I'm assuming)

[subtle bluff]

He's said it a few times and I've mention vigilance

Nothing makes sense.

[honest helm]

I'll aim for that

[honest helm]

This I blame autocorrect.

As stated I'll just aim for the linked one. No need to discuss further.

[grand girder]

Goodluck, if it doesn't end up working you can always come back and make a new discussion

[honest helm]

Possibly, or I'll just dive to YouTube at this point.

[grand girder]

I would like to note that youtube builds are often clickbait garbage, some work yes but most are designed to be new and innovative to gain clicks, these discord community's have math genius's that have done all the work and can tell you the best of the best

[shy willow]

By my calculations NinjaBike gives highest stats overall!

[grand girder]

let me guess the formula is

[honest helm]

I mostly use only 1 because they've worked for me in the past. However for other interest I usually grab about seven and note the differences or similarities before I try them.

[grand girder]

yeah its just tough knowing who to trust because I've seen quite a few people make a blue striker hazpro build because it was popular during a seasonal modifier, imagine grinding for gear just to find out it no longer is a viable method

[honest helm]

If I see them even mention seasonal I tend to tune out

[grand girder]

yeah but the trouble is some don't even mention it at all and you only find out why after you've gathered the build

[honest helm]

It's why finding a backfire until I came here was beyond difficult

[shy willow]

Fenris and UA for maximum AR damage it shreds with Brazos mag size

[grand girder]

atleast in this build channel if someone gives a terrible recommendation people will call them out on it, thats why builds here are so strong

for example this is a perfect backfire build for me

but I wouldn't recommend anyone to farm for it because it has a unicorn roll on the chestplate and also relys heavily on the expertise

so if I say oh go grind this build it hits hard and is very easy to play, someone would correct that and give you a proper informed opinion. Some people in here come across as a bit aggresive but they mean well and just want you to be optimal

[thick meteor]

How the hell do you get yalls chd to 100+ im struggling at like 69 lmao

And at like, 41chc lol

[shy willow]

Shd points and gear rolls

[grand girder]

21% chc + 15% + 10% + 6% + 6%

I get 36% from the backfire alone 10% from watch level and 12% from both chestplate and gloves

everything else is maxed out in crit damage

[honest helm]

Yeah I'm running one with Equalizer and Exodus for emergency situations.

[meager fog]

Having everything maxed out.

Should have 10% CHC from Watch

15% from gun mods (if not exotic and crit starved)

Thats 25% before you even start on gear.

[strong cave]

And 2 crit chance mods is equal to another 12% and Ceska is almost always assumed on all crit builds, another 8%. 20+25 = 45%. All you're missing is your few sub attributes on say Ceska and over dogs, which are x2(6%) CHC attr's and x2(12) CHD attr's. Giving you nearly 147% CHD and around 58% CHC with a St Elmos on Striker/Ceska oblit/ODogs

On say, high end builds where it's going to be nearly all CHC/CHD sub attributes, then and only then can you really pile on CHD depending on how your build is set up

[honest helm]

Looking at it. I know I have a "The Gift" backpack but I don't think it's a good roll. What would be a good replacement just in case for the HH build?

[versed summit]

Airaldi vigi backpack is actually preferred as a general recommendation

[fossil crag]

how does the bleed feel though..? Like Does the quick step feel when bleeding I know for me I feel even slower with the quick step in hand and bleeding

[vivid shard]

is repair trap completely useless compared to repair chem?

[versed summit]

yes

[fossil crag]

yes

[vivid shard]

what about the 10 sec immunity from status effects on overcharge?

that has to be used for. something??

[versed summit]

I think chems have a boost to hazpro too, but no, there's no reason you'd need that tbh

just use OC booster hive

[vivid shard]

chems dont boost hazpro btw

I'm sad that repair hive and chem are better than literally everything else at healing and we dont have a lot of other options

[shy willow]

On paper no but in gameplay I'm fairly sure it does

iirc it was intended for PvP but just spilled over to pve but they never changed it

The lil shield icon with a cross

[versed summit]

yeah that's what I was thinking. It doesn't show anything in the stat screen tho so I can't confirm it.

[onyx sage]

it's 50% hazpro

it's a new thing

[hazy hull]

Is beacon good with Striker

Cause I'm thinking turmoil kneepads to spread damage Beacon chest and Striker everything else with a striker drone you could be doing insane crit damage.

[versed summit]

It's not really good with anything lol

[versed summit]

beacon is really only getting you the same crit you'd get out of coyote's, and that's costing you a chest talent.

[hazy hull]

Hmm I'm getting 60% and nearly 150% crit damage with it

Probably cause my shield keeps triggering it

[meager fog]

But you're mising a chest talent that is either an AMP, or another source of damage for the calculation.

Either way, you lose out in a BIG way.

[cerulean smelt]

this isn't the reason. you get those bonuses from it from just having it on

[solar sable]

Not everything is fine with just having crits to the right percentages but what talents or other dmg sources are recommended to maximize your dmg output

[meager fog]

Crit damage is not the only thing you need to think about.

Damage has many different sources in a long calculation that requires different buckets to be multiplied together. Stacking loads of weapon damage or crit damage is not how you hit those big numbers.

[solar sable]

That guy Chow is a genius, I wonder where he is

[cerulean smelt]

you'll eventually hit a wall wearing it. come here with your build and ask why you can't do more.
first thing people will say "because of beacon"

[meager fog]

Probably inventing some kind of new math somewhere

[cerulean smelt]

probably taking a break from division to prevent major burn out

[hazy hull]

Is this a viable calculation to see what damage I'm getting?

[onyx sage]

yes

[solar sable]

it's not "a" formula, it's THE formula to dmg calc

[hazy hull]

Ok so I'm gonna run the numbers through and go on that

[cerulean smelt]

considering in that you see DTTOOC and DTA and DTH

which you can have all 3 in a build, but it's impractical and be nerfed since it's inception.
still remember the 3 pieces people would swear on was Fox's, Contractor's and Hollow to make a good build, but they nerfed it at some point so now it's just fox's and contractor's mostly

[solar sable]

you also have to know what's an amp and that stuff is usually in the Spreadsheet IIRC

[cerulean smelt]

think they list those at the far right of the sheet

[solar sable]

yup
I really have to start studying the meth of this game

always forget that it's there like an open book for everyone and I'm just "nah, I'll read it later"

[versed summit]

The What?

[subtle bluff]

Coughing my lungs out.

[solar sable]

the meth
that thing that's used to calculate dmg

[meager fog]

It's the only viable calculation lol

[cerulean smelt]

the green stuff the hyenas takes before charging at us

[hazy hull]

2541.37352 with beacon or 51.36912432 without

if someone wants to double check that calculation I can send my build over

[cerulean smelt]

think your meth is way off base there

[solar sable]

ohhh that's why Chow is coughing so much, he consumed so much that he is now facing consequences

[hazy steeple]

@cerulean smelt Don't fix that.

[hazy hull]

ok

[cerulean smelt]

i imagine you calculated the 2 bonuses from beacon in 1 and came to those numbers

[hazy hull]

Like I said I can always double check or send my buidl over

[cerulean smelt]

meth formulas always lulls me to sleep

you can always use this as an example to send your build here and people can tell you how to get more from it#td2-build-advice message

chances are people will be "drop beacon, use glass cannon or obliterate" then whatever else you have one they may tell you to swap from some other brand

[subtle bluff]

Work week trip too much work not enough rest.

What we try to Compare?

[hazy hull]

I am so confused

[subtle bluff]

This sounds like the correct answer here.

[hazy hull]

I have double checked everything twice now and still beacon is coming out by like a 5k margin

[cerulean smelt]

so you expect people to stay within 10 meters of you?

[hazy hull]

My striker and shield are creating the bond along with my teammates

[subtle bluff]

Uh.....

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, re-read beacon carefully. you either get the higher bonus by being near people or you're getting smaller buff being near skills. not both

[hazy hull]

I know and the smaller buff is gonna be more likey to happen when munity is over by as someone who plays countdown and tends to do backup calls it's still a good bonus a majority of the time

[cerulean smelt]

"Both you and Allies receive +30% Critical Hit Damage, +15% Skill Efficiency and +2% Armor Regen when an Ally is within 10 m of you.
Receive +15% Critical Hit Damage, +7.5% Skill Efficiency and +1% Armor Regen when one of your Skills is within 10m of you.
Only the highest group of buffs can be active at one time."

[hazy hull]

i know

[cerulean smelt]

then why did you make this statement?#td2-build-advice message

[half cedar]

🤔

[cerulean smelt]

you know, i don't even know if beacon works with companions honestly 🤔
i always assumed Ally = Player

[half cedar]

Should be though

[hazy hull]

I was stating that both create bonuses not that they're at the same time sorry if I misspoke or caused confusion

[cerulean smelt]

should would be the key word 😹

[half cedar]

Indeed.

[cerulean smelt]

if you're calculating 3 people wearing beacon, which is unlikely unless you make a premade group of it for science to test if you do get that per person, could be good but hardly anyone uses beacon so you should only calculate your sole beacon bonus

8 player content is broken into 2 4 man teams and their bonuses don't count for the other 4 man team. unless they changed that recently?

[hazy hull]

Calculating my sole bonus

[half cedar]

Ally mostly tend to Move a lot unless you got a backliner teammate

[cerulean smelt]

my ai companion tends to stay in 1 position for things or gets in my way 😹

[hazy hull]

I'm probably gonna run it just cause it's enjoyable and seems to be doing more damage

[half cedar]

Sound about the same. Until I went. Screw it. Let me get my double passive bonus instead.

[subtle bluff]

It only buff pre sub group too BTW.

Beacon can I some ways help buff a squad a lil more but a player with a good build can output more dmg than the buff.

[copper yarrow]

That sounds interesting, do you have any gameplay vids by chance?

[cerulean smelt]

i don't honestly. don't record much 😹

[copper yarrow]

Oof. Would've loved to see it in action

[cerulean smelt]

messed up 😹 tried to record a tidal basin run but didn't record it 😹

this is the build i'm talking about though

[honest helm]

Should I keep this or toss it?

[solar sable]

get off the determined path, trust.

[subtle bluff]

Not really "new".... 2 years ago.. When I started playing......

[onyx sage]

i mean new as in it's an addition at some point

[cerulean smelt]

new compared to about 5 or so years ago 😹

what do you legends use to convert videos so you can post them here?

[subtle bluff]

atm Handbrake

[cerulean smelt]

MP4?

[cerulean smelt]

these settings?

[subtle bluff]

I select the web thingy

I'm gonna look into I've been guessing. Discord has change stuff over the last 6 months.

[cerulean smelt]

think my linux box did a lot of discord updates in those 6 months, so yeah probably changed quite a bit

more so than my windows box 😹

[subtle bluff]

There's only info about what video setting in mobile uploads.. this is dumb.

[cerulean smelt]

lol, still gives me file too large

[edgy hollow]

Why? Determined is super fun during solo…at least for me.

[subtle bluff]

720p is what I normally bring it down too

[cerulean smelt]

think he's trolling you in general 😹

[subtle bluff]

context... that guy doesn't have determined suppose in his libaray... and maybe few other things..

[cerulean smelt]

so we need to send the Determined Police Force to his computer and look at his library? 😹

[cerulean smelt]

so go streamlined? 🤔

[cerulean smelt]

made this just for you 😹

[onyx sage]

if you want to actually learn to get headshots (when you use regulus or any other headshot weapon etc.) determined is detrimental to that goal

it only helps to get off it

[solar sable]

streamline it is unless a mantis gets on the way

[cerulean smelt]

we all know you do a streamline determined tinkerer build deep down inside 😹

[honest helm]

But I enjoy it when I need to.

I feel lucky

[subtle bluff]

Nice add to the collection..

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i feel lucky getting this 😹

[solar sable]

who knows? maybe I have a ninjabike 2pc aces, 2pc hotshot, 1pc breaking point build and post it on yt

[cerulean smelt]

THE ONLY MASTER SNIPER BUILD YOU'LL EVER NEED! and people gobble it up 😹

[solar sable]

"this build made me clear my first legendary in 5 hours, thank you for this content keep it up"

[edgy hollow]

Do you get that blue print from reconstruction caches?

[buoyant perch]

Yes

[honest helm]

I did the grind for Both HS HH and HF HH. Got them both working now. Quite happy. So thanks for sending the builds over.

[foggy imp]

Does anyone have any refactor builds? Is it good to run or is it more for support

[solar sable]

#td2-build-advice message

[foggy imp]

Super curious about trying to make this. How would this build more so the second picture hold up to some other dps sets like striker and coco

[subtle bluff]

It is not a DPS focus build.

It's straight number it does nothing vs a focus WD build.

[foggy imp]

Okay I saw nothingbutskillz talk about how fast they ran through legendary with that build but he used the waveform holster and said it felt like playing on normal difficulty

[subtle bluff]

If he only knew how to speedrun...

I actually hate waveform

[solar sable]

i like to call him nothingbutshit because not many youtubers actually know what they're saying and just yap about their experience instead of facts, math and reality

[molten agate]

is the vest from refactor any recognizable?

i personally couldnt feel the difference from swapping glasscannon to refactor vest in a utility pov

[foggy imp]

@subtle bluff do you run the build a lot for solo? Or usually do other ones instead

[subtle bluff]

He at least who recognizes that striker is always meta. It's not the worse by any means. But ya..

[solar sable]

he doesnt run refactor at all from what I've seem from with him in groups, he runs other support builds like OD, techtank or the usual full red dps

[subtle bluff]

You do more dmg overall

[subtle bluff]

I've rarely run it.

Refactor is a great for new players in my eyes.

It can be ran in both hence the 3 different builds.

So the reason GC is really good on Refactor, is everything you do does more dmg. You get free heals for your skills doing dmg. If you place and control your drone/turret right they'll grab some agro.

That AMP dmg is a more than just what 30 Skill Dmg will do.

[molten agate]

i think the benefit from GC is outscoring from the team utility from refactor vest, so im just asking if others feel the difference when refactor is used with vest or not

[boreal harness]

what is the best Ar to use with HB?

[subtle bluff]

If you're trying to really support then use a real support build IMO..

[subtle bluff]

Higher RPM weapon that can put on LLP

[subtle bluff]

There's the other train of thought. Killing things faster helps people take less dmg.

[boreal harness]

iright which is the meta though?

[subtle bluff]

Lex if anything otherwise...

well mention like above

[molten agate]

u right, cant score 2 in one throw. ima stick to dps build then

[subtle bluff]

In leggo mindset:
The better builds are the ones that can effect the battlefield the most.

[molten agate]

do u use gunner for non refactor turret/drone build?

[subtle bluff]

I haven't tried. You could.

With Tech you do more dmg overall only reason I'd take gunner is not to burn thru all of my ammo.

[foggy imp]

This build has been pretty fun when it doesn’t bug out

[solar sable]

it is indeed

[foggy imp]

What are some other fun dps builds you like? Or is this and striker kind of the main two

[solar sable]

I main TS, second favorite is PVGC Strikers, third Hotdogs no-Determined, fourth is CoCo

[onyx sage]

nego one day...

[foggy imp]

Bluescreen your main pick for TS

[smoky latch]

Try this with Backfire, it's fun

[solar sable]

ye, I also use PGC

[solar sable]

I only used nego once, I just have never tried it like other stuff

[foggy imp]

Sorry what’s pgc lol

[solar sable]

perfect glass cannon aka The Sacrifice

[onyx sage]

the roadmap towards being average

[molten agate]

when running turret/drone build, skill dmg is the only thing to consider right?

[magic pilot]

For the skill part yes, I'd go crit for secondary attributes since capacitor is so strong

[wispy hollow]

I have been running it this way in legendary missions and its been extremely effective

[boreal harness]

what is the ideal split for heart break 4r/2b or 3/3

[solar sable]

whatever makes you feel more comfortable
my take is 4/2

[boreal harness]

i fell like 3/3 struggles dps a little too much

[solar sable]

yeah that's basically the price for using blue cores

[onyx sage]

want more damage, use more reds

[shy willow]

-Uses 6 reds
-Basically weaker striker
-Stonks

[boreal harness]

how to get lexington in 2026?

[solar sable]

can't atm

[cerulean smelt]

pray during Stretch Goals

[half cedar]

Oof you missed that Krampus Winter event window

Not long ago

[austere oasis]

wait for 2027

or till another event drops with gear caches

[solar sable]

????????

[austere oasis]

i meant like, wait for another event or something.. in 2027

[solar sable]

We might get Stretch Goals at the end of the season, which is in 8 weeks. I'm pretty sure 2027 isn't in 8 weeks.

[cerulean smelt]

maybe for them it'll be 2027

[drifting fiber]

which is a better idea?

[subtle bluff]

A weapon with killer will do more DPS for solo

[drifting fiber]

caretaker or lexingon with killer?

[native plume]

Lexington

[drifting fiber]

should i be aiming for the max chc or is like ~55% enough?

[native plume]

50-55%

[drifting fiber]

i can go as low as 50%? more chd then :DD

[solar sable]

not recommended

[drifting fiber]

well rn i'm 54.9/106.4

[smoky latch]

That's good

I get 55/117 with Lexi (could be any AR with four mod slots)

[austere oasis]

yeah, i thought it was december.

[solar sable]

december 51st?

[subtle bluff]

If it's with killer you'd want more CHC

[restive python]

What's the minimum CHD needed for crit builds?

[shy willow]

Chd is flexible but you wanna be hitting at least between 50/60 crit chance

Rest you dump into CHD

[thick meteor]

Go around 50 to 60 without going over, and dump everything into chd

[hazy steeple]

@thick meteor That does depend on what pieces you have, and how you're using them.

As with most things in div2, there's not really a single set rule to follow.

[thick meteor]

Okay, got it boss

[subtle bluff]

to be simple.. 50/100 at the should be the bare min for a good DPS builds. But there's a lot more to it.
All DPS builds are Crit builds.

[copper yarrow]

Merciless is definitely a fun gun but it looks like it's not able to use ND to its fullest potential?

[cerulean smelt]

i'm just using it on ND for the crit chance/damage 😹

[copper yarrow]

Lol okay. I tried merciless on a high end rifle build and it's good but I hate the constant clicking

But then again I guess it would've been too OP if they made it automatic. Like a better regulus lol

[cerulean smelt]

doesn't need headshots to make things explode 😹

[copper yarrow]

Exactly

[quartz herald]

Which of the two should I use?

[cerulean smelt]

DTA if you don't plan on reconfiguring it, the other reconfigure it until you get what you need for your build

[strong cave]

Since iron lung has CHC mods, use the DTA one. Keep the other and go for crit chance

[quartz herald]

DTA then, since I don't see the use of a reload speed if the bonus is like 0.22 sec

[strong cave]

You can also easily go for rate of fire if you desired too

[cerulean smelt]

like i said, use the reload speed to reconfigure it until you get what you need for your build. like truck said, reconfigure it until you get chance on it then swap to that one

[strong cave]

Will help you reach burn rounds faster and improve Burst by a touch

[quartz herald]

Aight, noted

[strong cave]

DTA helps only against armored enemies so keep that in mind. CHC helps with basically everything

[cerulean smelt]

almost thought you were going to spell Truck 😹

[strong cave]

honk honk

[cerulean smelt]

wouldn't it be more aruuuga aruuuuga? 😹

[quartz herald]

and you can't tinker exotics like you tinker normal named items right?

[obsidian lotus]

no you have to reroll it from the workbench, but i don't think you can do that w armour

but you can still optimise it

[cerulean smelt]

when you reconfigure exotics, you're changing all 3 stats on it, weapons you're trying to change the 3rd attribute to whatever it is you need on it, usually Damage to Target Out of Cover for most weapons but LMG, then it's probably Critical Hit Chance on LMG or whatever you desire for your build

[strong cave]

I'm pretty sure I'm a normal truck, not Japanese Optimus Prime

[meager fog]

You can reroll exotic gear, but the stats are fixed.

It's cheaper than optimising if you get bad rolls

[obsidian lotus]

ohh ok

[meager fog]

Slight correction.

DTA helps against enemies with a white armour bar.

It doesnt affect Chunga or robots

[obsidian lotus]

idk i get pretty good rolls on armour so ive never actually done that

[strong cave]

Exactly this ^

[obsidian lotus]

crit chance probs best for lmg imo

its like 9.5, that's more than a ceska piece

dta is unique yea but 6 isnt a lot

[strong cave]

Only by 1.5%

[obsidian lotus]

still though it means you can forgo a ceska piece and still have the same stats as you would with it

[strong cave]

Or, take Ceska anyways and stack on even more chd

[obsidian lotus]

you could go contractor gloves which iirc is 8% dta, so you'd have higher dta and crit chance going with crit on lmg and contractor gloves

[cerulean smelt]

MOAR CHD!!!! 😹

[strong cave]

At that rate go ODogs

[obsidian lotus]

or yeah you could do that

[strong cave]

With ODogs being a thing, going contractors is pointless in PvE

[obsidian lotus]

unless you're already running an exotic

like memento, my beloved