td2-build-advice

[meager fog]

Lowering the ROF will harm DPS. Its a direct factor in DPS calculation.

The reason I wouldnt recommend strained outside of LMGs is because ARs don't have enough mag size to have any form of good up time.

By the time you hit max stacks, you're reloading and strained resets to 0 again.

If you choose a lower ROF weapon yes you get more uptime, but at the cost of less hits. They tend to hit slightly harder, but not enough to cover the damage shortfall.

Have to probably do some math now to prove it

[cerulean smelt]

nah, no need. i take your word for it. was just making sure you were thinking of strained

[onyx sage]

before measured buff, strained is the best option for burst DPS on m4 and even famas

[meager fog]

Don't take my word for it lol. I could be wrong 😅

[onyx sage]

don't think of it as "you have to maximize the time the chd buff is maxed", just the chd that you've been gaining over the mag on those ARs are already strong enough. think of the overall gain, even though it doesn't make as much sense as on LMGs, being large enough to make it win over other talents.

of course now measured just makes more sense

[cerulean smelt]

well, compared to me. you look at it mathematically. you're not wrong by the time you get max stats for strained you're reloading 😹

[meager fog]

Good point, looking at the whole picture.

Also why Measured often gets overlooked oddly enough

[onyx sage]

iirc on famas striker, you gain around 35% chd average over the mag, which is actually quite big, and this was before killer buff so you can see why it was top tier

you have to do the math

[meager fog]

I think it was Chow who said that measured is roughly an 18% DPS increase overall (don't quote that though I cant remember if it actually was him) lol

[cerulean smelt]

if it was basic math 1+1=, 1-1=, 1x1=, 1 divide 1 = (don't know what to use for the division symbol wise on keyboard). but i know we have to do some magical things for percentages which goes over my head in general plus having to worry x.y sort of numbers and trying to multiply/divide that throws me off sigfinicantly

[versed summit]

Closer to 12, but depends on how much TWD and RoF you have

Killer is closer to 18

[onyx sage]

strained was around 9% on famas striker

back when times were easier...

[versed summit]

Fr

[cerulean smelt]

for me, feeling wise i always felt strained is more consistent. even as a solo player

[subtle bluff]

It depends on your CHD beforehand. Round 100 CHD it’s 20%

[meager fog]

And that's for you to enjoy.

It works for you, and that's what matters

[cerulean smelt]

nods why i throw in comments about "just me" as it's probably just how it works for me and i'm happy how it works 😹

[foggy imp]

Anyone have a Lexington concentrated company build they can show off

[cerulean smelt]

<= this guy doesn't. i used CoCo with lmg frenzy, then decided to try a skill tier version with Capacitor

[foggy imp]

The mg5 or is the gr9 a solid pick with frenzy

[subtle shadow]

What YouTubers do you all recommend for builds? mainly interested in skill focused builds tbh

[coral reef]

No need for youtubers, we have The Spreadsheet right here

[coral reef]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/htmlview#gid=1509999994

[foggy imp]

Rogue just put out a video of a variety of different builds that’s pretty good to watch. Or else ikia has incredible in depth build videos

[subtle shadow]

Thankyou that is legitimately everything I'm looking for lmao

[subtle shadow]

Nice I'll check that out as well

[kind epoch]

im trying to get that now LOOOOL

[coral reef]

it's a bih to get, but totally worth it

[subtle bluff]

He doesn't really go over skill builds and some his thoughts I get but aren't fully correct.

[kind epoch]

i can tell. ive never seen any lengmos with red cores, ever

[coral reef]

yo Mr Chow, happy new year!!

[subtle bluff]

Thanks you too!

[coral reef]

@subtle bluff I wanted to pest you ask you about the new CoCo Pesti build in the spreadsheet. Is it viable to play solo? or only in groups?

[subtle bluff]

I have a run of a solo leggo DUA going up there today. Not done by me.

But it was pre stacked at the range

[hexed steppe]

if you use 2 damage skills and focus on stacking you can be max stack in 12 kills

solo

[coral reef]

I will try the build tonight for sure, never thought CoCo will be good with Pestilence

[coral reef]

so, drone/turret

[hexed steppe]

its mostle weapon damage, they were kinda made for eachother imho

yeah turret drone is what ive done

make sure the marks die before the mark is lost or there is a good chance you dont gain those stacks

[coral reef]

is it sustancially more powerful than the regular Lengmo Pesti?

[hexed steppe]

its way easier to farm. looking at ticks around 2 mil when fully stacked

[coral reef]

But Lengmo Pesti gives me up to 2.5M ticks, after killing a chunga for example

[hexed steppe]

yeah, its probably stronger then. i havent run lengmo pesti so cant give rock solid advice between the 2

[coral reef]

will try it regardless! I was having much fun with Unit Alloys this holiday season. Time for something new

[subtle bluff]

I put dmg charts in the guide or you search me for pics I posted earlier.

[hexed steppe]

im over here just running nego or hh setups anyways lately ... coco pesti was pretty good in group and i had 4 duplicates farmed in 2-3 retal

its a really low bar for entry on a solid pesti setup

ig this week its all mortar setup tho

[subtle bluff]

Coco WD DPS is hits harder to be expected.

[acoustic quarry]

I found my first Lengmo mask the other day. I farmed for hours when it came out to get a set in all red and thought the set just did not have a mask.

[mental grove]

Iron Lung LMG

[solar sable]

Amen.

[mental grove]

Pestilence!!!!!!

[subtle bluff]

@astral kraken we need to make a clip to see how much we can a pest tick up to with all the buffs.

[solar sable]

a ytber made 5.59mil pesti ticks for a short period of time

idk what he was doing

[subtle bluff]

OC smarter cover and BLB were some of my ideas.

[astral kraken]

im not gonna lie i really dont like pesti LOL

but mostly i think its the reload sound that bothers me

[meager fog]

Would OD work, since HP ammo is boosted weapon damage**

[astral kraken]

it's like nails on a chalkboard

[onyx sage]

no, HP doesn't buff weapon damage, it adds a separate amp but like striker it doesn't affect pesti

HOWEVER, there was a bug where HP was buffing (i think) all damage dealt, which did affect pesti and also affected skill damage. so to their credit this build used to work. it has since been fixed though

[subtle bluff]

lol ya….

[magic pilot]

I think pesti was being calced like skill dmg so OD ammo worked, idk it was something weird

[onyx sage]

so is it pesti change or is it OD change? because i remember OD also buffing skill damage was also a thing

[subtle bluff]

Wasn’t HB doing that too at some point? I barely started playing when I heard the OD one but I don’t remember it all.

[onyx sage]

think that was flatline rather than HB

i think flatline is still bugged

[subtle bluff]

Oh ya..

[onyx sage]

which, i suspect is for a very funny reason, they might have just copied spotter code directly to flatline

[subtle bluff]

Copy paster

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, from the looks of it he hot swapped the mask and holster from some kind of skill where he managed to over charge his smart cover and artificer hive then built up ticks

if not artificer then the booster hive maybe? couldn't tell from the graphics of him getting hit by it

[subtle bluff]

He did it solo? I don’t wanna do that.

[cerulean smelt]

nods seems like a lot of work to do solo

[subtle bluff]

I know I could but my vision is getting a tick that high and I'm a group scaling and watching the tick mostly solo an area.

[edgy hollow]

what a good secondary gun to pair with the capacitor in a refractor build?

[cerulean smelt]

personally, i'd go Harmony but really anything you want, just make sure you go insync on it

[subtle bluff]

Eh... Any In-Sync for only short fights otherwise changing off of capa you will lose stacks.

[worn imp]

Does beacon stack for both armor regen and crits if several peeps are running it?

[smoky latch]

It doesn't work like Coyote's if you mean that

[worn imp]

what? does coyotes stack

[cerulean smelt]

yes, you get one hitting close up shots, another hitting mid range and one hitting long range. you'd get all 3 buffs

[smoky latch]

That would be crazy

[subtle bluff]

Did they fix or change beacon since TU?

[smoky latch]

I haven't played last PTS and I haven't really used it yet, sry

[subtle bluff]

On release they stack then…

[cerulean smelt]

oh?

[subtle bluff]

Yes you can stack beacon unless the last patch note has fixes on them that I didn’t even read.

[wispy hollow]

I thought Beacon stacked thats why most people were running it in CD or Retal

[smoky latch]

Beacon Exotic Chest in a group of 4:
+120% crit damage
+60% skill efficiency
+8% armor regen

True

[subtle bluff]

It’s not really worth due needing to stick that close together.

[cerulean smelt]

shrugs no clue, last patch notes i read seemed they increased the stats on it but no indication of it stackable

[subtle bluff]

Plz be careful with some of your answer. I know I’ve corrected you a few times here. Misleading players isn’t helpful.

[smoky latch]

Lol my bad 😄

[subtle bluff]

This is Dev Note for PTS. Yes this was for TU release.
I ran for the last Patch Notes. We’re on TU26 so anything TU26.x

[cerulean smelt]

ah, that's the last of the patch notes we gotten here on this server 🤔

[subtle bluff]

It’s not to know or say that you are unsure. Someone will come along and help.

It’d be on their Trello board.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, looked there as well. probably not in the far right of the board though. just the left side

[native plume]

I cant decide which Chest would be better, Grupo for 13% CHD or Sokolov for 10% SMG Damage

[cerulean smelt]

depends, if you're at that 50-60% chc then i'd say grupo, if not then a ceska would help you immensely

[smoky latch]

To avoid misunderstandings:
You get the bonuses for teammates, yes. But it does not stack the same way with multiple people running it.
The question was
Does beacon stack for both armor regen and crits if several peeps are running it?
AFAIK it doesn't stack x4 if the entire team wears it.

This is how I meant it

[cerulean smelt]

swore there was some kind of mention in the talent about it?

[smoky latch]

So you do not get these stats x4 for instance

Which is why I said "That would be crazy". Hope it makes more sense now

[cerulean smelt]

notice at the very bottom
"Only the highest group of buffs can be active at one time"

[subtle bluff]

Yup only one buff works Per Person.

[subtle bluff]

It’s not that crazy as I mention above because then everyone has to stay together but it’s out there.

[smoky latch]

Yes, per person. But it doesn't stack with each additional teammate using it

[subtle bluff]

YES IT DOES….

[smoky latch]

So 480% CHD and 32% efficiency?

[astral kraken]

yea its pretty busted lmao

[subtle bluff]

How are you mathing 480 CHD?

Can we full stop..

[smoky latch]

I feel we're talking in different directions lol

[astral kraken]

has anyone tested how it stacks with multiple people running it?

i think everyone just assumes it'll get fixed and isn't doing it

[smoky latch]

+120% crit damage
+60% skill efficiency
+8% armor regen

you can achieve this by having four mates within 10m of you.

[subtle bluff]

Last time I’m repeating myself.

• One Buff is Active Per Person
• Each Beacon can stack on a teammate
• Raids/CD isn’t split into 2 Teams

[smoky latch]

You gotta chill man

[subtle bluff]

No. I just hate repeating myself.

You’ve made me do that too many times.

[smoky latch]

I didn't make you do anything, it feels there is a misunderstanding here resulting from how the original question was asked

I may have misunderstodd the question the way I answered; just wanted to clarify

[astral kraken]

so the text is wrong? b/c it says "you and allies" so (if the text is correct) two people wouldn't be 60% (30% x 2) it would be 120% (30% x 4).

which is what i think inf was saying

i'm just curious if it was actually tested or if it's an assumption

[subtle bluff]

He was right on the last post but wrong mult times beforehand

Yes it’s been tested…. Why I kept on asking if there was a fix in patch notes

[astral kraken]

i don't know the history just curious

[subtle bluff]

It’s noted and reported on the their boards.

[astral kraken]

ok so the text is wrong if it stacks

[cerulean smelt]

the way i read it, if you got 2 people stuck together wearing it in 10m. you both get the 30, 15 and 2

[astral kraken]

it's not "you and allies" it's just "allies"

[subtle bluff]

Go on YouTube…

[onyx sage]

🍿

[cerulean smelt]

uh
#td2-build-advice message

[subtle bluff]

I hate you…

[cerulean smelt]

can i have some 🍿 ?

[subtle bluff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/489468635333656576/1446337535033868379/Kittybread.gif

[onyx sage]

why? i would never run beacon

[astral kraken]

well i think that's talking about skills vs allies

[wispy hollow]

He meant the first three words of the talent description Both you and allies

[subtle bluff]

(Insert kitty leaves gif)

[astral kraken]

that's why i meant too

[subtle bluff]

Where’s dognutzz when I need him.

[onyx sage]

they did define ally as both companion or skill on the webpage for the patch btw

[smoky latch]

Sheesh I just won't respond to weird questions anymore

[onyx sage]

nope i'm dragging you down the rabbit hole

sorry not sorry

i'll take a word redefinition for 2026 on the div2 bingo card

[wispy hollow]

So to make things simpler in running CD:

• If both Sub group 1 & 2 are considered one group then bonus would be 8 times (240% Crit Dmg, 120% Skill Efficiency, 16% Armor regen)
• If both Sub group 1 & 2 are considered two separate groups (players from other group don't count towards bonus) then bonus would be 4 times (120% Crit Dmg, 60% Skill Efficiency, 8% Armor regen)

This is considering we are all within 10m of each other

[subtle bluff]

I mention this earlier….
FI doesn’t buff across teams in a Raid format….

This is the same thing with Beacon.

[astral kraken]

Does FI buff across teams in raid format?

[wispy hollow]

Missed that. So its one group of 8 two subgroups of 4 people

[onyx sage]

it doesn't buff the other subgroup

[subtle bluff]

UGH… now there hole in the wall..

[onyx sage]

who's up for testing??? (not me i deleted the chest)

[subtle bluff]

Go search dognutz for video he has video for it

In GCrock or iKia he posted one.

This is why I know it works..

[subtle bluff]

Oh you were here the whole time. Sorry.. It’s getting to me now.

[cerulean smelt]

how would we even test it honestly? @onyx sage
2-4 people equip it and check our stats?

[onyx sage]

it most likely will be in stats screen

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 hmmm

[hard python]

what is the best eagle bearer build?
And what is the best counter to heartbreaker?
I wounder for dz

[cerulean smelt]

eagle bearer is mostly stashed honestly
think there was a mention for System Corruption being a counter to Heartbreaker earlier?
ah different channel#ask-td2-community message

[subtle bluff]

#td2-pvp-discussions may work better.
Your context here is mix bag.
Build for what?
HB just in DZ or Conflict.

[hard python]

thanks

[magic pilot]

I think both tbh, not sure I avoided that bug

[steep wedge]

Frenzy or Measured for LMGs? Particulary M60

[solar sable]

build?

[steep wedge]

Tipping scales I cant share the exact build rn :[

[solar sable]

frenzy it is

[steep wedge]

Can you explain me why? I thought measured was great

[subtle bluff]

It's depends on playstyle.

[subtle bluff]

What's the chest?

[solar sable]

i dont recommend using it but I run Bullet King, no reloading with this thing and maintaining its stacks for a bit makes it fun

[subtle bluff]

This is a loaded question...

[daring loom]

Hello guys, I may be blind but, where can I see all working builds for 2025/2026?

[solar sable]

pinned Spreadsheet

[steep wedge]

Oh i dont remember but its a named high end chest. From the unit set

[subtle bluff]

Equalizer?

[steep wedge]

From the season. Yeah I think so

The one with the crit dmg stacks

[subtle bluff]

Prefect Obliterate. OK. You're running the right chest.

[steep wedge]

Ill give frenzy a try. Not convinced on Measured yet

[onyx sage]

frenzy is best used as a secondary talent rather than main talent imo. if you play optimally with it you wouldn't have enough ammo left

[steep wedge]

So you recommend Measured? I'm currently running the talent that gives me dmg if no skill cds but it's boring

[onyx sage]

it's also not the best either. measured is good as a main talent, but frenzy is good if you want to burst a boss or a group down real quick. but because it requires you to empty the mag and reload the playstyle for it is keep an empty mag and swap to it when you want to use it

streamline is mostly relevant on hh builds

[steep wedge]

Which one do you recommend for my LMG TS

[onyx sage]

measured main, frenzy secondary

[daring loom]

thanks, what does blue, yellow, red and etc. means?

[subtle bluff]

what SHD are you?

[daring loom]

61 xD

[subtle bluff]

And you not seen the different color on gear?

Like Red, Blue and Yellow?

[daring loom]

I mean in the spreedsheet

[subtle bluff]

.......

I am answering your question..........

[solar sable]

Color type is for Core type, so red for DMG, Blue for Armor, Yellow for Skill Tiers

[daring loom]

ah, your meaning the attribute

now I got it xD

[kind epoch]

i like BK but bluescreen seriously causes more dmg faster than BK with TS setup 😂 why's that?

[onyx sage]

because... balancing

[solar sable]

i have to try bluescreen with ts still

[onyx sage]

BK has no reload but as a tradeoff each bullet hits like a wet noodle without some massive buffs elsewhere

[solar sable]

i can confirm

[kind epoch]

i mean it kicks in eventually when TS also kicks in but bluescreen is seriously more efficient, even for my amateur ass

[solar sable]

ive been test running it and it just... isnt it

[onyx sage]

there's always tradeoffs especially when it comes to bullet king

bluescreen is just a way better deal, the reload is fast and you have to take some time to empty the 260 round mag

you're losing way too much just for the ability to not reload

[subtle bluff]

Yeah and TS gives Weapon Handling

[astral kraken]

bk hater propaganda

[grand girder]

all my homies hate burger king

[strong cave]

As someone that's stuck at Wendy's, I agree

[echo comet]

guys should i be running hunters fury with chatterbox or is striker also viable

[bright raptor]

yes

personally I don't use Chatterbox much above Challenging but both setups work once you figure out a rhythm

[echo comet]

gotcha

[edgy hollow]

does iron long synergize with nego?

[subtle bluff]

Eh.. Kind of

[edgy hollow]

got bored of the elmo. Enjoying blue screen. Wanted to find another gun. Iron lung seems cool but is lacking

[onyx sage]

iron lung is very underrated, but it goes on any crit build

striker, nego, umbra, TS, etc.

[edgy hollow]

CHC on iron lung?

[subtle bluff]

Use w/e works

[onyx sage]

ye i use chc on iron lung

[daring loom]

any diff what stat they can have?

[sharp folio]

I was wondering, is it possible to obtain lexington?

[glad heart]

The Krampus event gear caches are dropping Lexington like candy.

[copper yarrow]

Will using Centurion's scabbard also make my pestilence ticks do more damage?

[magic pilot]

This is an old system from gear 1.0 that never got changed. They used to be different. Not anymore

[magic pilot]

The WD buff will apply to pesti, but when you swap weapons you lose all your ticks

[hexed steppe]

So no

But overdogs exists for a reason and is bis on pesti builds

[magic pilot]

30% amp 🐐

[hexed steppe]

Luckily all the pesti build choices really synergize with dogs too

[copper yarrow]

I think pesti ticks dont go away when swapping,

[magic pilot]

They do

[copper yarrow]

nope, just tested

[subtle bluff]

Pesti Tick is always checking what your stats are.

[magic pilot]

In the range?

[copper yarrow]

yea lol

[subtle bluff]

The bonus dmg you would get from the buff

He means not the Pesti dmg itself

[copper yarrow]

ah okay makes sense

better use centurions on a striker set then oof

[magic pilot]

The dmg definitely changes but I coulda sworn you lose ticks on swap

[onyx sage]

i think it's a descent thing

[magic pilot]

That's probably it

[subtle bluff]

The tick has always stayed out as far as I know / played.

It’s the reason I ran Orbit and Unweaving with Pesti no more orbit now D=

[lapis escarp]

I got a set of concealed breath do I keep farming for more parts for better rolls? What i do?

Whats the gameplay loop here

[solar sable]

a set of what

[bold leaf]

What set do you have?

[lapis escarp]

Ah I just named the gear
Its heartbreaker

[bold leaf]

Concealed Breath I think is the name of the mask specifically

[lapis escarp]

No heartstopper

[onyx sage]

heartstopper is the talent, heartbreaker is the gear set

[lapis escarp]

Aaaaaaa

So aside my reading comprehension issues
Whats the gameplay loop here? I do targeted untill I get rolls i want?

[meager fog]

Heartbreaker is a difficult farm.

The gameplay loop is find a set with both CHC and CHD as the minor attributes.

[solar sable]

basically

[meager fog]

Or just CHC for the single attribute pieces.

[lapis escarp]

Rn its on museum mission so I can spam it on challenging and get alot of it

Whats chc

[meager fog]

Countdown is a better option for loot quantity

[solar sable]

you're on pc, matchmake Challenging Countdown
CHC stands for Crit Hit Chance

[meager fog]

CHC = Crit Chance, CHD = Crit Damage

[lapis escarp]

Ooo okii thanks alot

Btw whats countdown
I dont see it on map

[meager fog]

Pentco Powerplant, near the top right of the map.

There are several missions there, make sure you pick the correct one

[solar sable]

Starters Guide

[lapis escarp]

Do I get to have my follower there?

[solar sable]

no

[lapis escarp]

Ah man

Is it doable solo?

[solar sable]

kinda but you need general game knowledge, just matchmake

[lapis escarp]

Oki

[solar sable]

Challenging difficulty not more, not less

[meager fog]

If you want solo then do retaliations. They give similar loot quantity to countdown and theres no relying on others

If anything, they give more loot

[solar sable]

on retals it's just you & your build vs the world

[lapis escarp]

My god there are so much stuff you can do in 2

[meager fog]

Yep, don't stress about it. None of it is going anywhere 🙂

[lapis escarp]

I'll run all of them 1 time see what I like

I'll take that back game just crashed

For solo heartbreaker set is good?

Are there any other set worth grinding for?

[onyx sage]

striker, hunter's fury, umbra, negotiator, etc. just a lot of them

[lapis escarp]

Good to know there are lots of viable builds

[solar sable]

and many of them are listed in the pinned Spreadsheet

[magic pilot]

Tbh for loot id go with retaliation now

[solar sable]

Everything is viable, but it doesn't mean all of it is good

[hexed steppe]

yall only need one build this week 😎

[solar sable]

shut up gramps

[magic pilot]

Stricker

[hexed steppe]

mb, explosive delivery builds goated this week too

[solar sable]

lmfao, you just can't waste a single opportunity on mortar

[magic pilot]

You said emp jammer and demo spec striker?!

[solar sable]

thing is, even though this GE lasts a week I suppose, getting those unicorns will take a whole week 😆

[hexed steppe]

when you let up, the haters win

[hexed steppe]

no unicorns necessary. even the weak strategic alignment mortar builds are goated this week

ninja mortar is even goated this week

[solar sable]

maybe not necessary b-
tf...

[hexed steppe]

😂

[cerulean smelt]

sahring your secrets are we?

[hexed steppe]

gramps is back to work 👴

[hexed steppe]

mortar for most, troll mode for legs XD

[onyx sage]

i never troll on leg

[lapis escarp]

I'll chechem out

[surreal stream]

OK so the EP burn build is really not great against the combined GE and Krampuslauf

fire sticky doesn't count as explosive so you only have the signature weapon to pop shields with

and of course unless you catch them spawning they'll be all spread out by the time you make contact

[surreal stream]

i suppose fundamentally in that specific fight I had the issue was that I didn't have any signature ammo to get things rolling

and it seemed like the armored grenadier was functionally immune to the burn

[smoky latch]

Use EMPs to trigger the explosions as stated in the event description. Explosive skills work too and are more satisfying to watch

[surreal stream]

yeah but it's hard to make that swap while being grenade spammed lol

and philosophically speaking if I have to ditch the fire for EMPs it's no longer the burn build

[smoky latch]

Idk what build you run but fire doesn't work with Hollywood as EMP does

Change build/skills, win

[surreal stream]

I mean now I'm back on striker with cluster seeker swapped in for the shield because it's far more reliable, and the minigun gives you so, so much more ammo to work with.

[subtle bluff]

Non DPS builds have really hard time with Named guys.

[subtle bluff]

For the vent just use EMP Pulse and/or Demo spec with its Spec weapon.

[surreal stream]

wait demo over gunner in general or just with EP?

[subtle bluff]

For the event.

Sorry didn’t type that all out.

[cerulean smelt]

to destroy their shields you need an EMP blast or an Explosion
funny you said seekers are reliable though 😹

when i use seekers they tend to dodge roll out of the exploisions. so i have to hit them with a mortar 😹

[last schooner]

is Urban Lookout used in sniper builds?

[strong cave]

it can be but theres no point running 3 pieces for marksman. youd be better off going with 2 piece airaldi, 2 piece habsburg, chainkiller and Overdogs gloves

[last schooner]

Good, in the trash it goes

[strong cave]

thats about all its good for is decontructing for components

[last schooner]

is the build you mentioned superior to a hotshot Chainkiller build?

[silent storm]

I just throw the seekers right at them

That way the roll first then get blown up

[silent storm]

LOL finally got it ant it was from a Clan Cache.

So many Countdowns trying to get this piece

[cerulean smelt]

eh, it's garbage, great for resources 😹

[silent storm]

Well that garbage is going on my face and now I get to see how garbage not having to use Lengmo knees is

So many new possibilities

Sawyer's Kneepads are the ultimate right?

[smoky latch]

No. Only if you wanna get old staying in the same spot

Try Fox's Prayer

[silent storm]

God rolled Equalizer in the BoO nice! Now noone has an excuse not to have it

[silent storm]

Yeah that was my plan

But first, time to spam Heroic and build up some Resources.

[subtle bluff]

Just Hotdogs

[strong cave]

I run 2 Airaldi and 2 Habsburg. I got 2 unicorn pieces and wanted an excuse to use them lol

[subtle bluff]

Off meta man lets go!

[solar sable]

he aint here anymore

i think he's drifting somewhere else and his ideals

[strong cave]

Say, isn't 2 hotshot the same as 30 MMR damage? Which I can easily get with 1 Airaldi and 2 Habs? Plus the 2 piece HSD bonus from Airaldi and 1 piece HSD from habs

Basically with the sub attributes saving the build's handling

[strong cave]

He went for a drive

[onyx sage]

hotdogs......

[strong cave]

Would be funny if they came back on an alt with it being named "truck"

[silent storm]

Big Truck

[subtle bluff]

2pcs hotshot is 30 MMR WD and 30 WH….

[strong cave]

HOLY SHIT

That much for just 2 pieces? WHAT

[subtle bluff]

Yes…

[strong cave]

When in the hell did they change it? I swear it was the 3 piece bonus for the handling

[silent storm]

Is this one worth keeping?

[strong cave]

Yeah looks good

I personally use the custom M44 or white death

[subtle bluff]

3rd 30 HSD

[bright raptor]

unless a better one drops it's about as good as it gets

[subtle bluff]

It’s what I suggest for players starting out on MMR’s

[strong cave]

That's a bit broken 2 piece hotshot gives that much

[silent storm]

I wasn't sure because of the Carbon

But it had DTOOC and Determined

[subtle bluff]

Ye it’s the carbon one. MMR’s have too many different things

[bright raptor]

The M700 family doesn't lose much from the extra mod slots on the Tactical or Carbon

[silent storm]

So the Carbon is the good one?

[subtle bluff]

Stats wise yea

[bright raptor]

they're all good, Tactical and Carbon using mags is great for quality of life

I reactivated my TOTS Headhunter setup on an alternate character and lacking the Hotshot instant reload with the Hunting M44 is argh

[subtle bluff]

The dmg difference is really minor.

I am curious to try .308 I don’t remember using it ever.

[wispy hollow]

Since you are running Turmoil, wouldnt it be better to have your Pestilence 3rd attribute as DTA ?

[silent storm]

Naa cause I just use it for Heroic spam and Retaliations

If I was doing Legendary I would swap to OvD and Foxes

[subtle bluff]

No, Pesti build are still very crit staved.

Overdogs still is BiS. It’s why the build changed so much in the past few TU’s.

[silent storm]

But my OvD are on another toon and I am too lazy to break up those builds for just one on this toon

[wispy hollow]

Thanks Chow

[subtle bluff]

I put some of the DPS numbers in the guide. I’ll add more and clean up when I have a chance.

Most likely gonna save that stuff for when we move off of GDoc’s

[wispy hollow]

I have been running 3 Lengmo (with Backbone), Sacrifice chest, OvD and Fox Prayer. Probably BiS as of now so I'm happy with the damage output

[subtle bluff]

It’s a great HE build.

[silent storm]

Do we save this for a Foam build?

Or would Capacitor or Test Subject/Harmony be better?

What we using on a Foam build then?

[astral kraken]

scorp and lefty
capacitor and lefty

scorp if your team is good and you want to debuff more

[silent storm]

That makes sense

[astral kraken]

capacitor if your team is less than good and you need to spread foam for them

be greedy with your foam, be greedy with your fire grenades

[silent storm]

Greedy?

[astral kraken]

yea try to save them for important encounters

like if there are 3 enemies left dont waste foam

[silent storm]

Oh yeah that goes without saying but door spawns right

I get it, Foam and then Scorp is probably better than that MG5

[astral kraken]

yea but depending on spawn let the enemies step out. you know how in the boss room of DUA they jump over the stands at the top? if you foam too early they all get stuck up there and no one can shoot them

very common mistake by foam players

and if foam status runs out now enemy has foam immunity

[silent storm]

I never even thought of using Foam in DUA lol. That is the easiest Legendary in the game

[astral kraken]

there are still hard rooms in dua that foam makes easy

[silent storm]

Sure

[astral kraken]

but ur right, its not needed

otoh if its a team of ninja strikers then it really helps

[silent storm]

But for Boss room just know the spawns and most of them don't even reach the floor

I am biased though because I run Bluescreen Dilemma exclusively in that mission now lol

Mr. Chow and Local have convinced me

And it's funny because I used to Mortar the hell out of the boss room there

It's honestly crazy how many Yellow builds I overwrote on my first toon with full Red builds. like 7 or 8 of them I used to use when they added loadouts. Now it only has 2 DPS Yellow and The Setup FI healer build

And honestly I could delete one of the Yellow DPS builds because all that changes is the chest and Drone to Clusters. But the loadout is nice because I am lazy

For a Shield Pistol build would you save this piece to roll a Blue Core on it?

[subtle bluff]

Even then.. Unless you have Crit mods

[magic pilot]

No

[silent storm]

So going through my Chest Exotics, had this one almost maxed rolls so finished it. Have we found a use for it yet like Coyotes?

And this, what does this mean? Does that mean that if you have 2 skills next to you and only one ally, the ally buff is disabled?

[cerulean smelt]

means if you have a teammate 10m from you and you're 10m from a skill you'd only get the higher bonus

[silent storm]

OK so Ally trumps Skills?

[cerulean smelt]

yes, as far as we all know we don't know how the exotic acts. someone thinks we can get 120% chd, whatever the multiple of 4 for skill efficiency and armor regen

[silent storm]

So if I setup turret and an Ally comes close then I get top buff but if he leaves I get Skill buff

[cerulean smelt]

but all four of you would have to constantly do a group hug 😹

[cerulean smelt]

believe so, i haven't tested it
but that's what i think would happen

[silent storm]

I mean there is plenty of places you can do that and just have one neut bombs or just make sure bombs don't hit you

I mean Roosevelt Island when you are all gathered at the conex boxes at the back while fighting the drones 3 Beacons if they stack would be crazy good

And one to nuet the bombs

[subtle bluff]

4 DPS builds will still out do 4 players on w/e with Beacon on in a hugging each other.

[frosty rivet]

was thinking about swapping exotics, is centurion ok or would overdogs be a better option?

[native plume]

The Striker Chest is too much imo

[frosty rivet]

how so

[smoky latch]

It's only a good pick for the tough stuff in the game

Incursion, raids, master difficulty missions

[frosty rivet]

the chest or the exotics?

oh i see

if i remove the chest what other could i add?

[acoustic quarry]

Equalizer or Grupo w/Obliterate, then run Overdogs.

[frosty rivet]

alrighty

ill probably have to remove fox prayer for the fourth piece, unheard of i know

[buoyant perch]

Ceska > Grupo

[solar sable]

idk why people keep recommending grupo chest for Strikers

[frosty rivet]

theres already a semi decent equalizer at the white house

[hazy steeple]

@solar sable The CHD seems like it's worth it, which it sort of it, but not as much as a ceska piece.

[frosty rivet]

hopefully it works out, thank yall btw

just need more mats to fix the stats

[smoky latch]

Alternatively keep farming for a better one

[hazy steeple]

As we like to say: "only try to fix a piece that's basically perfect already".
I like to go by the rules of "80% perfect is worth it".

[solar sable]

unless you are already at 50%+ CHC then I guess

[hazy steeple]

It's still worth it, especially on Gearset builds.
Since you are so limited for attribute space.

[subtle bluff]

Generally it's only incursion

Rarely in raids

[hazy steeple]

Heroic Countdown can make some use out of it, although honestly I wouldn't bother most of the time.

[silent storm]

Equalizer is at BoO and not perfect but CHC / CHD

[solar sable]

even dien said not that necessary for leggo/master either IIRC

[hazy steeple]

@silent storm As it's a red-based piece: 2 red stats on it are not exactly super rare.
So if it's 80% of the way there: I'd consider it worth it, but outside of that it's a good stop-gap piece, but I wouldn't spend resources to fix it.

[outer arrow]

Equalizer in BoO is good, just going to take a lot of materials to get it where it needs to be.

[silent storm]

I was blessed with near god roll CHC/CHD from my first one but if you don't have it and need it all I am saying is that is a piece worth maxing

[hazy steeple]

As I said: if it's nearly perfect: sure why not put the work to finish it off.
but if it does indeed need a lot of work to max it out: I'd hold off on putting resources into it.

"stop gap" piece, sounds like.

[silent storm]

Honestly though, is it stop gap? Is there a farm for it I don't know about yet?

[hazy steeple]

Countdown.

Always Countdown.

[outer arrow]

Honestly... Grab it, leave it in stash, make up your mind later. If you have piece that has more weapon damage than the Obliterate at BoO, then use that until you get the Obliterate up.

[silent storm]

It drops that much there?

[hazy steeple]

It's countdown. Everything drops that much there.

[outer arrow]

You can target loot anything in Countdown

[hazy steeple]

Rowdy knows this, they're....I don't know what they're doing.

[silent storm]

Yeah but I have been target looting Anarchist Cookbook and still haven't gotten the god roll

[hazy steeple]

Countdown is a numbers game, as I'm sure I've told you before.

Just in case there's a language issue: "stop gap" means that the piece in question (Equalisers at the BoO) is a good one to use for now, but you should farm out a godroll/near godroll before you put work into it.

[silent storm]

I'm just saying that you can buy Equalizer now, today and have it maxed in an hour or 2

Maybe 3 if you don't have the Chest mats needed but again I am a farmer lol

[meager fog]

Being deliberately obtuse

[silent storm]

How do you figure? Here I'll run UA Countdown all day tomorrow and post results of all chest pieces I get. Atleast 10 runs, and we'll see if it is better than just buying it now and maxing or not.

I am unreasonably lucky in this game though so will probably get 3 of them first run just to skew my results.

[subtle bluff]

OOPS

[kind epoch]

What is this luck 😂😂😂

[tropic burrow]

Hey Guys. Whats the current best dps build? I tried the high end and didnt like it. I want to use the lexi. Is it 4 striker equalizer and overdog gloves? Please help me thanks

[astral kraken]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1lwPe_8uKpHUSMJPYe4UXx4ED_ScYm3dw_81w7qCvH-o/edit?usp=sharing

[tropic burrow]

Thanks a lot. I really appreciate it.

[frosty rivet]

I should've farmed for it in countdown but thought I would have the mats to optimize it

[tropic burrow]

Hey would salvo striker be better than overdogs striker?

Givsn the extra 20% dmg with equalizer?

[strong cave]

The answer would be no. 2 piece unit alloys only gives 20% more damage towards ARs. ODogs is 30% amp to low tier enemies

30% Amp > 20% AR Damage as it's an entirely different source of the damage pool

[outer arrow]

Is it still possible to get overdogs?

[tropic burrow]

So after killing the lowest enemy does the amp dmg stay or is it time limkted?

And thanks im a noob dont know tjaf much aboit all stats and mechanics

[strong cave]

Yes. Farmed for a pair for my girlfriend this season. It can drop. Better off farming for the crafting blueprint through retaliation. Also, @tropic burrow , after killing the lowest tiered enemies, the tier system will apply amp to whatever the next lowest tier enemy is on the list

[tropic burrow]

Im sorry for asking too much but can u keep it going in your opinion?

[strong cave]

If you target the right people, you can have near 30% amp all the time

[tropic burrow]

Ok thanks that clears everything

[outer arrow]

Where would be the place to farm for the blueprint? (i just picked up the game again after many years..)

[strong cave]

Source link 1, how to play it:
https://youtu.be/P0_ey9nGEk8?si=9PYB7xdpHboHOrTD

Source link 2, how to trigger it:

https://youtu.be/HypvVAqck1I?si=NGZraepcZhGmYEfl

I figured I'd link you 2 fairly short videos so you're not reading mountains of texts

[outer arrow]

You are an absolute gem. All the thanks!

[strong cave]

I personally would save a copy of that image I sent too. @versed summit went ahead and made an infographic chart for overdogs and shroud to help the community with overdogs and shroud

Since both work polar opposites of each other

[versed summit]

agt.taro updated his. afaik this is more accurate

[strong cave]

Aw hell yeah way better

Still confuses me tier 3 is apparently the lowest tier enemies

[molten agate]

guys is turmoil better on bluescreen build? or just ceska armor? 100lvl newb here sry in advance

[edgy hollow]

I recently made this build with the help of the experts here. 4 piece nego, overdogs and cesa chest with obliterate. Important to hit the 60% critical hit chance cap with this build and rest into critical hit damage.

[molten agate]

thanks, gatta go farm gloves lol

[edgy hollow]

I got the blue print for the gloves from hyena retaliations and then crafted it. Wouldn’t drop for me otherwise.

[subtle bluff]

Don't use Turmoil is the biggest tip.

[patent fossil]

Bluescreen has no special interaction with turmoil, damage spread by turmoil does not apply bluescreen marks.
On the whole turmoil isn't as strong as you think, it's generally only worth running in situations where you're killing every enemy extremely fast, eg with a very strong build on a low difficulty.

[subtle bluff]

Exotics/Named Weapons/Gear aren't always the best nor is needed for every build.

[molten agate]

can anyone recommend me the easiest build for artillery and mine?

[shy willow]

Check the pinned spreadsheet, there's a mortar build posted

[molten agate]

yea i noticed it but it seems almost impossible for a newb like me XD

[shy willow]

It's not the most optimal setup but this one is super easy to put together

[subtle bluff]

If you're fresh lvl 40 you should be farming to get a build so you can farm CD.

[meager fog]

@hexed steppe is the mortar specialist

[hexed steppe]

Navals would be really easy to farm, if using cluster then consider hardwire for spamming seekers and using the mortar turret as your feedback loop skill.

Mortar Supremacy gonna be one of the hardest hitting but also hardest to farm so not recommended for something that's just being put together for the event

[hexed steppe]

If you have a glass empress chest, it would be an easy swap in of skill damage contractors 💯

[honest helm]

Anyone know if it's possible to combine the Birdie and Bittersweet into a single decent build?

If not bittersweet than maybe doctor home?

[edgy hollow]

Looking for input. What is the best marksman rifle for a determined build? Is the Relic still the best in slot?

[onyx sage]

model 700, white death, sr-1, etc.

anything but the relic

[meager fog]

Was Relic ever best in slot?

[edgy hollow]

It never was? Content creators lie

[onyx sage]

never lol

[meager fog]

I know it wasn't

[meager fog]

Maybe for the few hours they nerfed determined, before they changed it back? lol

[edgy hollow]

I was bamboozled by a YouTube short

I forgot to put a question mark

[meager fog]

Makes more sense now.

Yes "Content Creators", if you can call most of them that, generally make crappy click bait builds.

[onyx sage]

even then the problem with relic even if it had the good determined was that it has low base damage, which wouldn't work with headhunter builds anyway

it was made to be spammed, which makes it more favorable on crit builds than headhunter builds, and even then on crit builds there are better options

[meager fog]

The reason Determined is GOATed is because it never turns off until you fail to kill an enemy (even if you miss)

WHich on oneshot sniper builds only happens if they're wearing a helmet or have exceptionally high base health.

Perfect determined does turn off after each useage and has to be procced again.

[edgy hollow]

Insane that “perfect determined” sucks compared to regular “determined” SR1 seems my next farm

[meager fog]

Well, Determined was supposed to work the same way.

MSV got a proverbial shit storm when they nerfed it, and it was reverted to being broken and will never be fixed

[inland vigil]

well they have to make content, and also, lots of builds work, from what I've seen, anything could work with proper sinnergy

[meager fog]

They don't HAVE to make content. That's a fallacy.

It's a choice they make, and most of it is misleading, wrong or just a flat out lie.

[inland vigil]

That sucks, I don't know that, I've only seen builds from Kamikazevondoom, and they seem to be quite good

[meager fog]

There are some respected and knowledgable Division 2 content creators.

There are alot who make a few quick videos with click bait titles and trash builds, which then drives people here to ask why it isn't working.

[inland vigil]

Makes sense, I think there's also a big difference like between solo and group play, like some builds are so much better when supported

[onyx sage]

there's only so much you can do when the game meta rarely changes, they gotta cook up some stuff, some of them from the bottom of the barrel

you can also just watch speedruns or just runs from people who do actually hard content with proven builds, builds at the end of the day are just a means to an end

[hexed steppe]

all builds are second to mortar builds anyways

[inland vigil]

so good at killing everything, especially your teammates and yourself

[hexed steppe]

no, thats rookie mortar stuff

mortar mains make you look like you did nothing at end of mission stats

[onyx sage]

i can say most people haven't fully explored what red builds are capable of at the top end either, they're known by most people but rarely maximized potential

past the build videos that cover the current top builds, the rest are just slop really

you don't need to watch a build video every week

[hexed steppe]

but but, how else will i learn about the newest ninja meta

[onyx sage]

you ask @subtle bluff

[meager fog]

Ironically KVD is one of the ones most people will tell you not to listen to lol

[inland vigil]

Yeah I saw some of that, he shits a lot on cc builds, some have said

[onyx sage]

cc as in crowd control?

[inland vigil]

Yeah

[onyx sage]

idk if he's talking about pve but it definitely is one of the best support builds for hard content in pve

[solar sable]

Please, for the love of God, stay away from "famous" content creators. There are FAR better channels that are indeed helpful, iKia being one of the most important in the community, well respected too

[inland vigil]

I think its always pve, pvp is just cancer in D2, especially with the cheaters

[meager fog]

As if to prove my point lol

[hexed steppe]

i was carrying with troll mode last night... builds are generally meh when it comes to matchmaking

[solar sable]

yeah, I read what u said

[inland vigil]

Builds are a plenty, I just wish we get more content, hopefully with D3

[meager fog]

Personally, if I want build videos. iKia is unmatched.

If I want gameplay advice, GCRock

Also GCR is a bit of a PvP god.

[onyx sage]

for sure, there's not enough hard content in this game, there are master missions but they're not coming out fast enough

[solar sable]

good old Division 3, it'll take at least 5 years for an official teaser announcement or similar

[meager fog]

We definitely need Master open world difficulty

[onyx sage]

i hope eventually we'll get black tusk in retaliation, and master to come along

[solar sable]

the pgc playerbase will absolutely love this

[inland vigil]

I think they might work faster on it, now with Tencent owning it, and yeah, with the chinese it's gonna be filled with microtransactions, might even go free to play

[onyx sage]

i might be wrong but div is one of the franchises ubisoft still retains ownership of, they only license it for tencent but they maintain their own version

[meager fog]

Ubisoft retains autonomous control over its games, Tencent are just the financial benefactors (and beneficiaries)

[inland vigil]

Well they did need a kick in the behind, especially after the disasters they cocked up

[meager fog]

"No, Tencent hasn't fully bought Ubisoft; instead, they invested heavily in a new Ubisoft subsidiary, Vantage Studios, taking a 25% stake in it (plus their existing ~9.99% in Ubisoft parent), giving them influence but with the Guillemot family retaining control over the parent company and key IPs, though Vantage now manages major franchises like Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, and Rainbow Six with new leadership. Ubisoft uses this deal to reduce debt and fund development, while Tencent gets a strong foothold in major franchises, with the goal of revitalizing them, but Ubisoft still runs the show overall, particularly outside those franchises"

[magic pilot]

I think they did say it's in development

[solar sable]

wasn't that the only info we have about div3?

[meager fog]

It's in development, it has it's own team (seperate from Div2 and 1) and that's it

[solar sable]

yeah I do remember that

[buoyant perch]

Imagine a kill squad full of marauder quadcopters

[subtle bluff]

Ya just imagine how an avg player would a sky full of them!

[subtle bluff]

You avg players......

[fair dragon]

Descent but open world

[onyx sage]

yes please

[fair dragon]

Each CP you capture gets harder

[onyx sage]

We know players love The Pact, so we're bringing it everywhere

[fair dragon]

I just want my penguin friends as companions

[hazy steeple]

Isn't the entire game descent, but with just a single talent rotation?

[surreal stream]

is there any particular strategy for what to spend the GE stars on cache-wise? like just send exotics all day or is there merit in grabbing legacy season or named item ones?

[meager fog]

I mean...that's just a hardcore agent lol

[buoyant perch]

Usually just all in exotics
Legacy if you want system corruption set
Named caches: no cos we have other ways to get blueprints to craft them now

[somber silo]

we take those

[bold leaf]

Seems a waste for exotics; 20 stars for a single one

[buoyant perch]

Resource caches are also not bad in terms of star cost

[hazy steeple]

Named Item Caches used to be the "meta", until Retaliation came along, nowadays I'd say whatever super rare material you need the most of.
I personally farm out the CP end rewards one, as I dislike farming those still.

[meager fog]

All Lexington come god rolled, but congrats 🙂

[somber silo]

oh right cool, with the same stats?

[meager fog]

Yes, those are the perfect stats

[surreal stream]

pro gamer move is keep 2 of them. put Killer on one and Measured on the other

[somber silo]

no i mean, those particular attributes

[meager fog]

Yes, because those are the perfect particular ones 😉

[somber silo]

so every lexington has these same attributes/stats?

[meager fog]

I....yes

[hazy steeple]

@somber silo When a player in here uses the term "godrolled", they'll usually mean that an item has the best possible meta stats, all maxed out by default.
in the case of guns: dtooc as the 3rd attribute, so the Talent can be re-rolled as needed.

[somber silo]

cool, i mean there are more attributes than just dtooc for example

[hazy steeple]

Yep, but they're pretty much all a bit worse than dtooc on guns.

[meager fog]

Yes there are. But Dttooc is the best 3rd attribute for all weapons, except LMGs

[somber silo]

pretty sure my other lexington (both from winter caches) has a different attriute

[meager fog]

Only if you changed it.

They all drop with Dttooc

[somber silo]

interesting

[surreal stream]

I think there's cases where DtA is good for like skill builds, but then you just run a shotgun that still has DTOC on it

[meager fog]

For skill builds you would normally just run a Dttooc Capacitor

[fair dragon]

I think there's cases where mentioning skill builds should be avoi-

[subtle bluff]

It's more to the effect. When you're looking for the DTA for a build you're gonna use Capa or a shotgun most of the time.

Other attributes for weapons are also a smaller number than DDTooC.

[bold leaf]

Doesn't Capacitor only roll with DtA? It's a while since I used it but I thought it was 12%? Unless it replaces the usual Damage to Health

[wispy hollow]

Shotgun or Capa with Dttooc are good for oxy builds, but otherwise Capa is go to for other skill builds

[wispy hollow]

Yes it does.

[onyx sage]

it replaces the dth yes

[bold leaf]

Ah ok ty

[onyx sage]

what's crazier for the original capacitor when they still locked the 3rd attribute was that it was dth on 3rd... when it doesn't affect skill damage at all

dttooc made a lot more sense since it's pretty strong in pvp

[bleak kernel]

Anyone got a nice Eclipse Protocol build?

[meager fog]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yTpZconNI79H0165-nwpLMIDZaS-f5Gd-WHQGAoQY2M/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.rtvptn4wfy

[hazy steeple]

^ There's an excellent one 📌 pinned in the spreadsheet of this channel, highly recommend you take a look at the other options available too.

[honest helm]

What would be a good replacement for the fenris named chest piece? It'll be forever before I get one but I want to run Birdies.

[solar sable]

for what build? more context is needed

[honest helm]

This is the template currently I'm following but as stated need a replacement for the chest. It's a healer build thanks to birdies running on skill and support.

[onyx sage]

question, are you purposefully playing an off-meta build

after that, how much level of support do you want

i hope you're aware this is very far off from being the best kind of both healing and support, you can do both these things better with future initiative

[solar sable]

FI Healer is way better than what you shared

[native plume]

Tipping Scale Chest and BP necessary for Heroic or lower activities?

[solar sable]

nah, Chest** not needed in the slightest

[native plume]

Alrighty but what about Legendary?

Im running Bullet King btw

[solar sable]

id say no too

[native plume]

Similar to Striker ig

[hexed steppe]

also to nego

[solar sable]

coco too

[hexed steppe]

they all setup similar

[subtle bluff]

With this build you're doing nothing well. Yes you are support, with mix of of everything.
I will always say running as your main build is saying you expect your teammates to go down and if you're support that possible means you're not supporting them enough.

I need to make a showcase video for EP and FI clip.

[hexed steppe]

is there a chest that would fit better than the current?

that was the question

[subtle bluff]

Emp resolve on Alps?

It's hard to say with the build he's trying to do some dmg but then not hybriding enough to make it noticeable or using smart cover...

[solar sable]

I've tried Bullet King with TS before and I can assure you, you'll lose more DPS than with Bluescreen

yes, it is fun, you keep TS stacks pretty much all the time

but you're sacrificing tons of dmg by using it

[subtle bluff]

There's not enough synergize in the build that I can see to know the playstyle he's looking to play.

[hexed steppe]

i feel like its built for a bit of overcharging since birdies and ma both have a mechanic for it, and just buffing a bit. i think the current chest is about the talent and not brand. i dont think they really care about wd

i agree its not optimal, btw

[onyx sage]

in terms of healing it loses to FI

in terms of support for damage... it loses to FI. overcharging also doesn't help because it's self overcharge and not much you can do with that in terms of team support

in terms of revive support... just use birdie's on FI

in terms of support by killing proxies... yeah at least it has that going, especially if mini tanks are involved, but not much else, and even then if the team has strong damage they also won't be a problem

like just use FI with birdie's and that accomplishes 90% of the original build's goals (excluding killing proxies) while being much better in all other ways of supporting the team

if they purposefully want to play MA then... for the chest i really don't think there's a better option except empathic but that's really stretching its practicality

[cerulean smelt]

i think about the only use some players had a theory for MA was in incursion. shoot a smart cover where a boss hides so their drone or other skill proxies just disappears immediately? not sure if it was tried in there though

[peak yarrow]

What is the best build for striker? Dps or tank?

[cerulean smelt]

always DPS. tank is never needed except in Iron Horse Raid for one specific boss

[peak yarrow]

@cerulean smelt you mean the red one?

[cerulean smelt]

that be the one

you can try blue, but if you do the red and start adding blues you'll notice your damage dipping per blue you've added

[peak yarrow]

Because I have 5 dps includying the memento backpack

And what Is the most important critical? Critical hit chance or critical damage?

[cerulean smelt]

wish i had that video i watched recently where a guy exclaimed about npcs shredding through his armor 😹 i'd totally link it here

[subtle bluff]

DPS because it's the only build that can clear levels of content.

"Tank" strikes cannot clear some content.

[woven moat]

can someone tell me what LMG this is? Cant remember for the life of me

[cerulean smelt]

M60 something?

doesn't that guide say anything about it?

[woven moat]

ah shit... classic M60 right there.... im a dumbass. thanks mate

[cerulean smelt]

no worries, just posting pictures for some guides is as much as they do without listing the guns or other things 😹

[peak yarrow]

What minimum of dps Is required for striker? 4 or 5?

[cerulean smelt]

mean red cores? people usually go all 6 red cores. but you can go however many blues makes you feel safe. as for your other question you want chance as close to 60% as you can get

[peak yarrow]

@cerulean smelt yes, red cores

Because I have 5 red cores and 3 blue cores with memento, but what is the most important ? Critical hit chance or critical hit damage?

[cerulean smelt]

you want to get as close as you can to 60% chance then dump everything into damage to at least be ever 1 chance you have 2 damage

so 55% chance 110% damage as an example

[subtle bluff]

Requirement isn't a thing.

[gloomy spruce]

I wish like the original Final Measure, grenades or enemy skill proxies disarmed actually gave your group buffs. Just the smart cover/booster hive by themselves are not really as good. Most people want good heals and boosted damage.

Weapon handling isn't as helpful as elevated total weapon damage. Granted using the precision smart cover can help, but even the +35% DTOC is meh to some people.

On paper Measured Assembly should be stronger, but there hasn't been as many reported cases of it being a significant improvement. In time, with more experimentation, there could be more information about how to build and play it.

Also too often, the devs created too many exceptions to the rules of Measured Assembly. When many forms of explosive damage are immune to the disarm field; it reduces the set's usefulness.

[cerulean smelt]

nods from my perspective i think devs wanted to dethrone FI but failed in dethroning it with MA

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah, add in the fact that most people who decided to run healer want to use the reinforcer chem launcher over the healer hive; its easy to see why FI is still more popular.

The healer hive has too many downsides like needing line of sight and taking too long to heal from the prong's animation.

[versed summit]

I don't think they're trying to dethrone anything, just add more viable alternatives to it.

[astral kraken]

MA has a place though. It doesn't need to compete with FI.

[gloomy spruce]

If they made the healer hive like the old Div 1 healbox, they'd make Measured Assembly significantly more attractive.

[cerulean smelt]

for me healing wise. i only think of FI and MA, could argue that skill build that heals, keep forgetting the name of the set, but yeah i could see it's more of giving us more options

[astral kraken]

The constant overcharging is pretty strong and there are places with lots of drone spam gives it some usefulness.

[versed summit]

I think as a healer it's always going to compete with FI somewhat, but it does have its own niche for sure.

[versed summit]

That thing was busted

[versed summit]

RefRactor

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah and the current hive is a constant disappointment. Is there a place for a happier medium?

[cerulean smelt]

but i could see if they gave it the FInal Measure buffs for grenades and explosives giving some form of buff would make it decent

[versed summit]

I think it's well balanced, besides when it just throws away all its charges.

[versed summit]

Which one?

[gloomy spruce]

Or can't heal a person through a non-visible wall

[versed summit]

Lol

[cerulean smelt]

don't recall really. been forever since i played Div 1 and with final measure in it. thought someone mentioned something like that up above?

[gloomy spruce]

Reinforcer Chem Launcher is near instant heal and a person does not have as many headaches as worrying if a healer hive is going to work as intended. Hence why FI is still king.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, was TimesLostArc #td2-build-advice message mentioning it

[gloomy spruce]

EMP / Shock: Skill power increased by 40% for 8 seconds.
Fragmentation / Incendiary: Weapon damage increased by 40% for 8 seconds.
Flashbang / Tear Gas: Armor increased by 40% for 8 seconds.

Those were the buffs granted on the classified Final Measure set.

[silent storm]

Alright have a few posts to make. Did the 10 runs of Countdown and took SS of all the pertinent gear. Started at a little before 1800 EST and it is now 2204 EST. Let's start with Resources. I'll do them in groups so the difference is obvious. Kind of wish I did this when the expertise event was running lol.

Ok so mats are out of the way let's look at all the Equalizers I have acquired. So there is 4 of them from 10 runs. None of them are top tier and some of them can't even be made to CHC/CHD

[cerulean smelt]

first pic, looks perfect for an equalizer. this is why most of us veterans tend to ignore you or try to correct you

[silent storm]

Now if I just bought the Equalizer from the BoO and focus farmed the mats required to upgrade it I feel like I could have saved a few hours. So instead of spamming Countdown looking for a god roll Equalizer from it, just buy the one from the BoO that is available right now and upgrade it at your leisure. You only need to buy it once.

[cerulean smelt]

and the 4th one looks decent as well. you've gotten 2 you just have to switch to Crit Damage and you got a perfect Eqaulizer. sure you gotta optimize them but from the looks it's probably 6-8ish optimizations and you have them filled up

[silent storm]

All Countdowns were run on Heroic to push best possible rolls

[silent storm]

Yeah but that was RNG where the BoO is offering it right now for purchase.

[late barn]

on a striker chest build, is it better to run vigilance or striker backpack

[silent storm]

If I spent the 4 hours upgrading it, wouldn't even need 4 hours, that it took to get the 4 I dropped from Countdown I would have a perfect Equalizer anyway.

[silent storm]

Striker Back

Memento is the only exception

[versed summit]

Depends, but generally the striker backpack is recommended.

[solar sable]

those are two different ways to build strikers and both are nice to have

[silent storm]

Spamming Countdown does add a bonus of there is a possibility of dropping Salvo and these are the ones I dropped.

So if you still need that as well, then sure farm it

[late barn]

ill see which feels better

[silent storm]

Also Countdown has to be the slowest way to levelup Scavenging SHD levels. Only gaining 1 per run is crazy slow

I never really paid attention to it before because I would do 2-3 and then do other stuff but 20 or so minutes per level is nuts

[cerulean smelt]

noone tells people to do countdown for shd levels. countdown is literally to get gear/weapons/mods and a sheer number of them

[silent storm]

I know that I just didn't realize how slow it actually was

[hexed steppe]

its like 1 shd per run, or somewhere close to that

nvm, already stated

[subtle bluff]

I should make showcase with that to show.

[solar sable]

whoever asked and deleted (lol), Rowdy had his mouse cursor over this one and not the one selected in orange and was showing its stats

[wispy hollow]

That was me, later realized upon closer inspection 😂

[solar sable]

it's rowdys fault for not taking the right item

[silent storm]

Weapon Handling. Sorry I thought it was something else then looked again. 12.2 WD was the reason I deleted it

[spice pier]

4 in 10 run is good luck, i surrendered after 3 run and crafted one 😂

[silent storm]

I did it for science considering that I got the godroll on my first drop but it just isn't as good as PGC. I only use it when I am with people that just cannot pull agro from me.

the 60% DMG reduction is huge on it

[honest helm]

Never heard of that

[solar sable]

FI Healer

one of the best support builds out there

[honest helm]

I'll have to get back to grinding for a Scorpio accidentally deleted my last one.

[subtle bluff]

omg.. I forgot to change this to mine... LOL

[worn imp]

Does glass cannon make shields weaker?

[gloomy lava]

I've counted down countless times enough to be dubbed count Dracula and I can't seem to get the coyote mask or one of the exotic backpacks to drop

[junior surge]

Are you buying the exotic caches aswell?

And you've set your targeted loot?

If you're doing both of these, it's just rng.

[worn imp]

Can EB somewhat compete with elmos DPS?

I generally want more margin of error for all my builds, hence I dont run high end ARs on an all red builds unless im using Nimble to keep regening. Rather I usually run Iron Lung, Elmos and such for CC value.

[smoky latch]

No, strangely not

[meager fog]

Higher base DPS. Lower sustain

[gloomy lava]

So they don't need to be "discovered" to be added to my pull they just have a super low rate?

[strong cave]

@hexed steppe @tranquil inlet ^^ stolen account

Also in #ask-td2-community

[torn hollow]

how to eclipse protocol help please? thanks :)

[subtle bluff]

This is setup for burn version. Skills are fire stated Chem launcher and Burn sticky.

And generally the spec used is firewall for the extra burn duration

[torn hollow]

right on Im also using pyromaniac
although for hollywood I'm using gunner just for now to pop the shields with minigun

[subtle bluff]

That should do fine for the event. You can use EMP skills too pop the shields and it is a status effect.

If you have even more questions about the build there pretty decent guide in the build hub.

[worn imp]

Can Catalyst mask drop from retaliations in Brooklyn?

[onyx sage]

no

[worn imp]

Sooo whats the best way to farm for it?

[subtle bluff]

The map doesn't matter.

[worn imp]

what?? So you can get it in DC?

[worn imp]

I dont see catalyst there?

[subtle bluff]

Now specifically Catayst isn't in the general loot pool. So the way is exo cache.

[worn imp]

oh... I see. Soooo spam countdown maybe?

[subtle bluff]

Red Star event too.

[worn imp]

you mean hollywood?

[subtle bluff]

Vendor I meant but in turn yaa

Anywhere you can get an exo cache.

[astral kraken]

• brooklyn named bosses
• marauder in army terminal mission (iirc it's a 5% drop rate)

[astral kraken]

i don't think catalyst drops from exo caches

it dropped from krampus caches tho iirc

[buoyant perch]

Only Charlie out of the Brooklyn named bosses can drop Catalyst at 8% drop rate

[hazy steeple]

Brooklyn Named Bosses, and of course the specific mission.

[cerulean smelt]

i can never remember that. i just know Specific brooklyn named boss and army terminal

[astral kraken]

i'm pretty sure it can be any of the open world bosses that spawn at a 30 minute cooldown

(in brooklyn)

[sharp folio]

What would be a good alternative for coyote mask in striker build? I can't seem to get it

[onyx sage]

overdogs

[woeful zodiac]

Can anyone tell the best talent for rifles?

I'm currently using an Urban MDR with Eagle Bearer and Quickstep

[hexed steppe]

Run fire skills, run capacitor too boost fire damage very high, run eletrique/wyvern/chinalight in place of shiny monkey, the skill duration doesnt affect your status

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say not enough context

[sharp folio]

Also what would be good talents for backfire/police m4?

[hexed steppe]

Boomerang > killer

If its non crit rifle like a headhunter build streamline is good

[cerulean smelt]

even if one decides to run Rifle with OD?

[woeful zodiac]

Gear wise, I'm using 2 pc UA (Equalizer and Salvo), Fox's Prayer, Matador and Brazos mask

Brazos has 170,000 armor with 10% headshot dmg and 8% weapon handling

[sharp folio]

Btw what gloves are those?

[hexed steppe]

Why not chances are itll be tinkerer if od and boomerang or killer are solid talents for rifle along with sadist

[hexed steppe]

Get rid of matador for a crit brand and vigilance

[woeful zodiac]

Bloody Knuckles

[cerulean smelt]

bloody knuckles i want to say. supposedly increases your melee damage but it's like we do a fist bump to the npcs while they swing and we lose all our armor

[sharp folio]

Why is it in incursion boss setup build-

[cerulean smelt]

sounds like streamer clickbait video

[hexed steppe]

Bloody knuckles, damage buff, likely outclassed by overdogs

[sharp folio]

It's from the pinned comments pve build spreadsheet

[hexed steppe]

Its in the striker guide iirc

[sharp folio]

It is

[sharp folio]

So should I just use overdogs instead?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah

It was used before then as another buff for boss burns

Dogs are stronger and will apply without needing to proc anything

[cerulean smelt]

so it's outdated at this point 😹

[sharp folio]

Also does backfire have set talents or do I need my own talents?

[hazy steeple]

Exotics have a locked Talent.

[sharp folio]

Ah makes sense

[sharp folio]

It feels like it tbh

[hexed steppe]

Read it. It stacks chd

[hazy steeple]

It's best to think of Exotics as the same tier of gear quality as gold/gearset stuff, but just more build dependant.

[strong cave]

i just got a random unicorn drop 😂

[sharp folio]

I don't have backfire yet

[cerulean smelt]

the reconfigure for weapons is to change that 3rd attribute, majority is to change it to Damage to targets out of cover LMG crit hit chance

[hazy steeple]

@sharp folio If you want to read an items details, you can always check the spreadsheet.
I believe it's updated by this point.

[hexed steppe]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/

[sharp folio]

Oh ok

[cerulean smelt]

nah, guide still shows bloody knuckles for incursion

[hazy steeple]

Well, you know who to harangue about it.

[sharp folio]

I don't think he meant that....

[hexed steppe]

[hazy steeple]

Who's he?

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 didn't know lesbians can be He

[sharp folio]

I'm kidding

[hazy steeple]

I'd appreciate it if you avoided that particular joke in the future.

[sharp folio]

Anyway so uh how does negotiators dilemma gear set work?

[cerulean smelt]

you crit 3-5 targets marks them. so you can wail on 1 npc and every crit you do transfers the full crit damage to those targets. clearing rooms basically

[hexed steppe]

Dont use the chest, its always 3 marks. Your crits transfer 112% of their damage to the other marks so if you crit something for 1mil , the total damage that crit deals with 3 marks is 3.24mil after the transferred damage is figured in. Nego is a top tier dps

Nego also lets you utilize overdogs amp against high tier marks as long as target is lowest tier. There is way to much to get into until you actually run the set. Its one of the top sets, and its the only dps I consistently use for years now

[cerulean smelt]

i've got my nego running with turmoil and Merciless, great fun 😹

[sharp folio]

Also I was running countdown a few times before and saw that sometimes I got blue armor plates, what builds do that anyway?

[cerulean smelt]

someone running Pointman or the normal talent on point man, maybe someone using bittersweet as well?

[sharp folio]

What are those talents/build or whatever?

[sharp folio]

Ah I see

Is there a specific piece that gives it?

[cerulean smelt]

bittersweet it new, not sure if it's been put up on the srpeadsheet yet, but apparently it gives people bonus armor with how much repair skills a person uses after they get 8 headshot

[sharp folio]

And I do wonder if it means the shield plate or just a shield ability (crusader and etc)

[cerulean smelt]

it's a chest talent, the named Pointman is Gila brandset, the normal one has a smaller percentage than 50% but goes on any chest piece you find or want to try

you just gotta deply your shield, crusader etc

[sharp folio]

Ah gotcha then

Could you share me a build that would work with that chest piece?

[cerulean smelt]

oh they do have it in teh sheet

[sharp folio]

It's for allies though but yeah it's there

[cerulean smelt]

about only build i tried wasn't listed was purely an armor build

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c-0vltGDzStvqksij2S-eyOrpVTkauJ8Hl7BkjxC0GY/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.fegc1fcq3ke

[sharp folio]

I can probably tell that swapping ceska for gila won't do well so I'll just stick to general use striker build

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, mine was an all high end build, pieces that gave % armor for 1-3 pieces in it

[sharp folio]

Oh wait bloody knuckles give 25% damage boost for guns

[cerulean smelt]

yes, but you have to proc it via melee or grenades i think?

[sharp folio]

Also is this good enough until I get overdogs and backfire?

[sharp folio]

Attack an enemy with a nade or a melee attack

[cerulean smelt]

yes, change the telent on that chest

[sharp folio]

To what tho?

[cerulean smelt]

for striker it's usually Obliterate, can do glass cannon as well if you feel comfortable taking 50% extra damage to do 25% more damage

[sharp folio]

Oh shoot, I forgot that I had to grind for ceska chest to get obliterate lol

Atleast I've got the obliterate talent I guess

[subtle bluff]

Oh derp cata mask I was thinking of the other mask.

[subtle bluff]

Backfire is not needed to do everything.

[cerulean smelt]

it happens to the best of us

[subtle bluff]

Ya..

[cerulean smelt]

do you mean "ja..."? 😹

[sharp folio]

Is this good enough m4 then?

[subtle bluff]

You want DTTooC on it then you're good.

[sharp folio]

DTTooC?

[subtle bluff]

Keep farming. Do the winter event stuff.

[sharp folio]

Oh nevermind

[subtle bluff]

Get the winter caches and get a lex

[sharp folio]

How do I do that?

Also what stats do I need for lex?

[solar sable]

it comes god rolled

[sharp folio]

Oh

[solar sable]

Krampuslauf spawns every 10 minutes after one does, they find you so don't bother looking
They have a chance to drop a bounty (do this on Normal) then cheese it the same way you would do with Summit F10 (kill ads and leave the boss alive then let yourself be killed, rinse and repeat)

[sharp folio]

So basically I just leave the last one alive, yes?

[solar sable]

last one being Krampus himself

[sharp folio]

Hold on let's switch to https://discord.com/channels/477210626742288384/489834801700929536 rq

[sharp folio]

Also I need to buy gear caches through the keys in order to get lexington right?

[solar sable]

ye, it's the second/middle cache from season vendor

farm lots of keys because you'll hate the rng it requires

[sharp folio]

Just wondering, since I'm always unsure of stuff

[worn imp]

I know its not optimal, but if you just for fun wanted to make a bighorn build for these 3 days with the increased headshot damage and such, how should that build look?

[smoky latch]

Lots of crits

[astral kraken]

@subtle bluff made a nice one

i tried it out and really liked it

[subtle bluff]

Yeee. I've done a lot of BH builds this is my 2nd version of an HE build. You can change a few things up but the idea you need a lot of crit like Inf mention or else you're doing an HSD only build.

[coral reef]

Nice, I will steal this for the 3 days thing

[smoky latch]

This seems decent for players who don't like to play with PGC

[onyx sage]

perfect for me

[smoky latch]

lol

[onyx sage]

i hate pgc

[smoky latch]

Aha 😄

[buoyant perch]

No, each Brooklyn named boss has their own specific exotic loot. Only Charlie can drop Catalyst.

[onyx sage]

it's been disputed by other people, the Charlie thing has been only said by virtualzz afaik

[astral kraken]

i only ever got it from the marauder. i guess the only way to prove otherwise would be to see someone getting it not from charlie. 🤷‍♂️

[strong cave]

I run mine nearly the same way except kneepads are Grupo

[buoyant perch]

By this time if it can drop by any other named boss, we would have had video evidence of that but no so...

[smoky latch]

I tried with Groupo first but settled for Fox's in the end

[subtle bluff]

I'm fair sure numbers wise if you're using CHC mods then grupo is better.

I haven't sat down refresh and redo HE guide and numbers.
We do know that the build that I originally made up P. Tank was able to clear a leggo with it

[tough glade]

how did u get the gloves

[subtle bluff]

Striker gloves?

[solar sable]

it's just striker gloves

[tough glade]

yes i wanted to know how to get them i have everthing but theam

[solar sable]

just like you would with all the set? Striker’s TL?

[tough glade]

ok like waht do i do i ran summit to floor 14 and still no gloves i was begining to think they do have them or am i doing something wrong

[solar sable]

Matchmake Challenging Countdown, idk why you're doing Summit as it's slower. You can also do Retaliations

[glad heart]

People will argue, but after spending hundreds of hours in the summit, it seems to intentionally hold back dropping the last piece you need to complete a useful set. This is pretty much universal. They say no it is all rng, but hundreds of hours says way different. It may be rng, but it is rigged rng. There is no guarantee that you will get them any sooner by doing countdown either. Summit simply takes persistence. The gloves will drop. 14 floors is not enough.

[smoky latch]

It's just RNG, don't let it mess with your head 😄

[astral kraken]

rigged rng

[subtle bluff]

Drop rate is RNG. Only guarantee drop are name guys.

[shy willow]

Sir

[candid depot]

whats a high dmg sniper build?

this is my current (dont mind the skills, ill change later)

[solar sable]

eh, what you have is top tier, wouldnt mind doing a HE build

[candid depot]

ok

[subtle bluff]

This is the meta now. You're will work jsut fine.

[astral kraken]

play around with other mmrs too

if you set it up right you'll be doing more damage than you need

so you can go with an mmr like m700 carbon or sr-1

[subtle bluff]

ALL of that..

[astral kraken]

bigger mag, better handling

[subtle bluff]

murrrr...

[astral kraken]

i like sr-1 personally

but some ppl love m700 carbon

[hazy steeple]

I'm glad the sr-1 is still a viable option, makes the 25 expertise I put into it back when sting a little less.

[astral kraken]

oh its so good. looks good. sounds good.

[hexed steppe]

missing shroud

[subtle bluff]

.............

[hexed steppe]

well

[solar sable]

nah, it's missing Ninjabike

[hexed steppe]

talking meta with no shroud

[subtle bluff]

If I could post embedded messages...

You people....

[hexed steppe]

[hazy steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/xdefiant-xbox-pc-ps5-ubisoft-gif-745843868406850139

[onyx sage]

Who's a good boy

[junior lagoon]

Looking for a solo play tanky build that does not use shield. Any suggestions? Mostly playing challenging ( retaliation, summit, etc...) prefer ar, smg or llm as main weapon

[hexed steppe]

if one was gonna drop hotshot talent anyways, you may as well add a whole other weapon category worth of damage.. imho, hotshot overrated at this point

more options and all

[hexed steppe]

i would shoehorn memento into your normal dps as a survivability tradeoff. there isnt a lot of good tank options without making your build really low damage. memento will boost whatever skills you use with a free skilltier and 30% in all skill attribute categories (skill efficiency [Skill Buckets™])
talent is really strong

[subtle bluff]

Issue is that bullets hurt a lot. You can't straight just eat bullets the whole time while slowly killing ads.

The shield will always have more HP than you.

[astral kraken]

yea if you wanna face tank you need a shield

no way around it

even with 80% pfe and fighting all elites you'll die

the shield has a lot of hp but it also has active regen

lots of hp + regen = a lot of effective hp per second

[dreamy valve]

You could technically pull it off with a Ravenous. I do it all the time with my pfe build. Bulwark shield is there for me if in case it gets dicey.

80% pfe, full blue, lvl 30 defender drone, 4% armor regen, and the bonus armor stacking from both Memento and Ravenous can be enough most of the time

[rich lotus]

I have to ask, how do you get 80% protection from elites? I have only seen it on mods, which you can only fit 3, unless there is some gearset that takes mods, I think I am missing a peice of the puzzle

[astral kraken]

i call bs. let's see footage.

because you're either cherry picking situations where you're fighting like 2 enemies or you're exaggerating how survivable it actually is

i've used the rav with 80% pfe in tidal boss room and you're not surviving that kind of aggro

not to mention you have to get memento trophies to begin with

[astral kraken]

you get 10% from survivalist spec. mask/chest/backpack takes mods. the rest you fill in with improvised pieces.

an improvised holster has no brand but it has a mod slot (that's the tradeoff)

[dreamy valve]

I’ll post my loadout later

[astral kraken]

just one example

chillout and improvised pieces fill it in basically

altho a build like that is totally useless fwiw

something like this is also basically useless, but tanks can pretend it's useful because it has red attributes

that one has 75% pfe tho since it's all 13% pfe mods

[dreamy valve]

I’ll do you one better and we can meet online sometime and do a mission together. If you also meant cherry picking in the case of using the build on specific pve content then yes, it constitutes me using the build for the appropriate content, something like the previous Master Climax mission.

[astral kraken]

i mean we can. but i've ran with a lot of tanks before. i know exactly how it plays out. you run around "pulling aggro" while the dps needs to sweat harder b/c you're not pulling weight

you're basically trading away all of your damage so you can stand in the open and not have to use the cover system

you'll throw fire grenades at mobs and it'll cc them for a few seconds. after which point they'll all spread out anyway.

even with the best blue players (i know a few good ones) the content is way less enjoyable to run

[dreamy valve]

It’s because you haven’t played with me yet. With my tank build, you can just focus on attacking and not having to spread time to use cover, that can also increase time to damage enemies.

[subtle bluff]

Well in a sense with rav you can just keep generating bonus armor.

[astral kraken]

i know, i've done it

that assumes you're standing next to stuff the entire time

it's easy to do when you're standing next to a chunga

it gets much less practical when enemies start running around and away from you (toward the dps player)

the way you maintain it is by finding tanky targets and standing next to them

which is not helping your team at all