td2-build-advice

[hazy steeple]

Chameleon is an SMG in the skin of an AR, and is honestly not a great choice for Striker overall.

[surreal stream]

safe to assume anything in the Rifle class is right out due to low RoF?

[hazy steeple]

Pretty much, yeah.

[meager fog]

For Strikers your base is 750 RPM, anything lower than that doesn't work

[hazy steeple]

There's something to be said for some weird headshot combos with that one scope mode I can't stand, but you're better off just starting your endgame journey with Strikers as the meta-hugging setup, and going from there.

[meager fog]

Shotguns work for stacking because each shot fires 8 pellets. That's 8 stacks per hit if you're good

[surreal stream]

I'm looking at a Stock Broker in my inventory that rolled out of cover as a probable new secondary

[meager fog]

@surreal stream thats a good choice. But let me show you something about ROF

[meager fog]

Measured SMG-9, with 4pc Strikers Salvo Holster and Equaliser Chest

[surreal stream]

ok yeah damn that's about how fast I've been dropping bosses on normal

I think as a personality trait I'm just too hesitant to close distance tbh

so I guess why SMG-9 over the Vector that shoots 200RPM faster? Magazine size?

[hazy steeple]

I mean, you can use the vector. Just make sure you're hitting the enemies, and have a good Talent on it.

I like to use my Dark Winter when I'm feeling extra fancy.

[surreal stream]

I think off the stuff I've got to hand the MP7 with modest rolls that needs its talent swapped is looking like my best bet

[hazy steeple]

There's a spreadsheet one of the resident nerds around here made of the various weapons and their space in the meta, I'm sure someone can find it for you cough cough

[surreal stream]

if it's a tab on the master sheet I've got that up now to look at the RoF/Mag size stuff

[hazy steeple]

Separate, although that big spreadsheet is gonna be a good source of info for sure, especially the Striker guide by Raucey.

[fluid sleet]

Some people here helped me with a SC build while warning me it wasn’t the best - well I made another one and I enjoy so much thanks to the community!

[worn imp]

How much damage do you need per crit with an assault rifle/lmg/smg to effectively stagger elites in legendary?

[meager fog]

Ar's with measured are even more deadly with the same set up. Because they act like lasers 🙂 With measured they are alot fo fun

[subtle bluff]

There isn’t a number that does that reliably

That concept in general.

[subtle bluff]

Pointed you to #td2-pvp-discussions

[strong cave]

that would be me-

glad to see youve got something else you enjoy 🔥

[worn imp]

Oh so you need like 2 dudes shooting at the same enemy to accomplish this?

or is it 3 miminum?

[subtle bluff]

Where you getting this idea from?

[worn imp]

idk just theorising

so the elites almost have stagger immunity on leggos?

[subtle bluff]

Staggering isn’t a reliable thing to rely on.

From just shooting.

[surreal stream]

oh hmm I just noticed Stack Broker's not on the sheet

[subtle bluff]

oh..

[meager fog]

Here you go, Measured Lexington.

Talent is so much fun

[surreal stream]

Yeah I think I'm spending the night at The Summit targeting ARs

In the meantime I'm in with a Measured MP7 and Brazen Stack Broker

[quartz ermine]

I call this "the vampire build"

[woven moat]

Is tipping scales better than a backbone/lengmo build?

[subtle bluff]

uh huh.... =\

[subtle bluff]

For pesti?

[woven moat]

Thats a mighty good question. Let me ask for two if I may. Pesti and Bullet King.

[subtle bluff]

TS for BK yes.
Lengmo for Pesti (there is a new meta build for Pesti over Lengmo)

[woven moat]

aw man not a new meta for pesti over lengmo, damn backbone took forever LOL

Whats the new meta my friend?

[meager fog]

CoCo

[woven moat]

and that is?

[meager fog]

Concentrated Company. New Gear set

[woven moat]

Oh, nice

[subtle bluff]

The guide has updated btw

[meager fog]

Skill an allies hit the same enemy as you. Pesti ticks go through the roof. 2m per tick

[woven moat]

Sweet thanks!

[woven moat]

heck yeah

its honestly crazy how much better the dark winter performs compared to the oreo. what a shame

[hazy steeple]

That's because DW has a talent.

it's a good example of why Exotics are not always the best choice.

[subtle bluff]

ouro without any talent still has the best Burst.

[woven moat]

Is 30% weapon damage > 13% CHD?

[spice sand]

Hi guys i have a question. I am using a determined Model 700 build and if i put the 10% headshot dmg sight on the weapon i do the same damage as i put the Digital scope with gives 45% headshot damage. Is is bugged because im doing the same dmg 17 M with both sights?

[subtle bluff]

it depends they don't straight go up together other

[subtle bluff]

with HH proc I'm assuming?

[spice sand]

Yes, but the problem is there is no difference between 10 % Hs dmg sight and 45% hs dmg sight

[cerulean smelt]

i was going to make that assumption to but stopped thinking maybe no HH stacks vs full HH stacks

[subtle bluff]

HH doesn't scale with HSD. You won't notice a bit differance with HH stacks.

HSD you'll noticed at non HH shots

[onyx sage]

headhunter and hsd... an impossible combination

[smoky latch]

Idk if there ever is a "best build" but this one does pretty good. Primary and secondary can be whatever.

[subtle bluff]

Never has a truer statements has ever been said.

[worn imp]

For a typical striker build with ceska: how many percent does killer generally improve DPS?

[smoky latch]

It adds 70% CHD, maybe try it out in your build

[worn imp]

i know what it does

i was just wondering how many percent in generally adds

[smoky latch]

It depends on your gear stats and weapon

[worn imp]

well say i have critmaxed and im running overdogs as well

generally, how much more actual percentage of DPS

like..... 20-30% more or something?

[smoky latch]

I'm not a math wizard nor know all the equations for dps calc but its the recommended talent for solo DPS builds usually

[subtle bluff]

The answer isn't straightforward.
Let's say you have 100 CHD then with killer 170 CHD that's ISH still depends on a few things 20%

[worn imp]

i see that makes it a bit clearer

[subtle bluff]

The higher the number the less because other opinions scale different

Idk if I said that right.

Let says you're already at like 170 CHD to 240 is like 15% or less (idk actually)

[worn imp]

oh so it becomes less effective the more CHD you already have baseline?

[onyx sage]

if you have x% chc and y% chd without killer, your increase is (1+x/100*(y+0.7)/100)/(1+x/100*y/100)

just give him the formula

[subtle bluff]

I don't have those memorize Sir..

[worn imp]

lol

[onyx sage]

i didn't either, i just deduced it

[smoky latch]

I forgot you can't use gifs here, rip

[subtle bluff]

I can't math enough....

[subtle bluff]

I think in the OD guide there's a numbers I posted with Killer Active and not Active if that helps

[worn imp]

spreadsheet guide?

Are there builds where adrenaline rush is an actual thing?

[subtle bluff]

HF

with intimidate

[worn imp]

i gotta try this out tbh

F... then i cant use overdogs

[smoky latch]

😬

[worn imp]

How are u even dealing enough damage? is this supposed to be an aggro sponge build? lol

[smoky latch]

It's my PfE build 😂

[subtle bluff]

There's no way to pull Agro. Well there one but it's only one target.

[smoky latch]

It's not meant to pull aggro of course

[astral kraken]

20-25%

[astral kraken]

I have a worksheet with some AR striker builds. You can make a copy and toggle killer on/off (there's a checkbox):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gIi2witRD62oinWVgcnPIJAxF32ccHwh2wme46C0Gow/edit?usp=sharing

There's also an overdogs toggle on the right so you can see how they compare with overdogs active/inactive.

[worn imp]

king shit

[kind epoch]

@subtle bluff how long would it take to grab the mask? or how much time would one round take, assuming i dont keep dying 😂

[subtle bluff]

less than 30

[kind epoch]

mmm could you hop on right now? someone in my family fell asleep lol so i have some time

[subtle bluff]

Ya let's go

[kind epoch]

ok, just let me know what i gotta do, im assuming just be right beside you or something

[worn imp]

Is there any DPS gear set that are good for automatic guns where you dont need to use its backpack?

besides striker and ongoing directive

[smoky latch]

HF

[worn imp]

true

[smoky latch]

Striker should be used with backpack I would say tho

[worn imp]

does HF really give more dps than ongoing tho?

[smoky latch]

Probably not but you get goated CC

For CQC at least

[strong cave]

Hunters Fury relies on stacks. OD is stackless

[smoky latch]

Ya that too

[worn imp]

thinking about running ongoing with a ceska with matador

and running overdogs to compensate for lost dmg

[strong cave]

How about ongoing with tinkerer and Ceska bag instead?

[worn imp]

hmmm yeah right man... isnt tinkerer better for DPS than overdogs for OD??

[strong cave]

Tinkerer guarantees full uptime since you can pair it with Sadist + Pressure Point. ODogs is tier enemy specific

[smoky latch]

Either Ceska or Matador, maybe you're talking about Adrenaline Rush talent?

[worn imp]

still arent u attacking those exact enemies like 90% of the time

[strong cave]

You get 50% amp from chest, another 30% from Sadist, and pressure point is 15%

[strong cave]

No. In groups it'll change constantly

[worn imp]

how about for solo?

[strong cave]

ODogs would work for OD

You'd get more consistent numbers with tinkerer

[worn imp]

bruh pressure point is just 15% thats low af

[smoky latch]

Sadist + PP is great together

For solo maybe Killer again instead of PP

[strong cave]

That's to enemies with all status effects. If they gave it 30% like Bleed is, that's... Idk.... Too easy to obtain?

[worn imp]

how in the world would a guaranteed +30% against certain (most important) enemies be worse than 15% less damage but against all enemies

imma go overdogs i think

[strong cave]

If your room runs in and they're all the same enemy, what you gonna do then when ODogs don't work?

Because all you're doing with ODogs is thinking about "oh shit I get more damage shooting him" VS tinkerer it's "point, andddddd CLICK!"

Put it this way:

ODogs VS Blacklisters

ODogs: 30% to lowest tier enemies

Blacklisters: 20% to all but 1 target

Blacklisters: but receive 600% amp damage

ODogs: tier specific
Pressure point: all enemies no matter what

[worn imp]

You think I would get higher DPS with HF using intimidate and a ceska with adrenaline rush compared to this setup?

[worn imp]

true

[strong cave]

Sadist + ODogs: 30% +30% (ODogs) + 50% (OD chest). ODogs tier enemy dependent

Pressure point: 15% + Sadist 30% + OD Chest 50%

Pressure Point is more consistent

[worn imp]

should I get blacklisters maybe?

[strong cave]

They're awful

[worn imp]

xd

[smoky latch]

You cannot really compare those two sets IMO. One is CQC the other one is made for distance

[strong cave]

Why ad rush

[worn imp]

cause it heavily complements my aggressive playstyle

[strong cave]

On OD? Trading 50% ad rush for a maybe 46% WD increase? Really?

Oh 💀

You'd get more aggression playing with banshee pulse and unstoppable force

More damage = survivability

[worn imp]

eh ever since I started using nimble holster I cant live without it. I can literally sprint across an open field getting shot at by 5 enemies and not heal completely by the time im in cover again.... in legendary.....

problem with nimble is I cant play aggressively at the same time as Im being shot at, I gotta alternate all the time and I find it annoying at this point

[strong cave]

That explains a lot. I love the holster but not on full red builds. I'd rather just do more damage and hug walls

[worn imp]

maybe hunters fury is the way to go tbh

[strong cave]

Hunters Fury is fine only for solo play. But the issue with that is the distance limitation

[worn imp]

Respect, but I dont play that way, I get a raging hard on from getting right in the enemy's face and dps-ing

jesus that sounded wrongg hahahah

[strong cave]

I usually end up dead doing that and that's why I play cover

You can play aggressive where you can afford it. And honestly just use a high end shotgun build

[worn imp]

i wanna find a way to do it that actually works: like headhunters fury

[worn imp]

why not just hunters?

[strong cave]

Ehhhhhhh I have a high end version that 1 pumps everything nearly

[kind epoch]

@subtle bluff tyty

[strong cave]

Crit starved. Heavily crit starved

[worn imp]

yeah but CC that literally makes the enemies unable to fight back thooo

[strong cave]

You'll never run out of ammo. And I'm being deadass about that

[worn imp]

show me

[strong cave]

Don't need crowd control when you one need 1 pump to kill

[worn imp]

are we talking headhunters fury here?

[strong cave]

Simple: Pummel + Brazen

[worn imp]

cause u were yapping about crits n stuff

oh tinkerer shenanigans?

[strong cave]

It's crit set. Not headshot

[worn imp]

is brazen an amp?

[onyx sage]

yes

[strong cave]

Yes

[worn imp]

sick

[strong cave]

If you want the template I can show you

[worn imp]

sure

[worn imp]

id love to check it. but hol up... why not just run striker...? you get stacks so fast with shotties so wouldnt that be better?'

[shy willow]

Cba to read the whole context but striker ain't the only good DPS build

[worn imp]

no but why not just run it since its higher numbers than anything high end build could give afaik

[shy willow]

High end builds don't need to stack...

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/GwFgtATGDMYIyXsAHGADOzHtawLhFSliijjnBytyrwE5FYFjga3q08IBWRxD9uzxEY-QQNoRwcEmInj0eOAHYo4CFF4RlYYDolLgDaTwW1oaDNOiscGrRFs08yggmXhksZQw5cMFjDEvjRAA

[shy willow]

Well technically they do cuz headhunter

[worn imp]

stacking is so fast with shotguns it might as well not matter tho

[shy willow]

But the process is much faster

[strong cave]

Normal shotguns stack horribly on striker

[shy willow]

I believe fifty is using an m870 or something to one shot

[worn imp]

oh yeah "normal" meaning pump shotties

[shy willow]

You're thinking of like an acs12

[worn imp]

the tsnunami is amazing with it too

[strong cave]

KSG shotgun with tinkerer. Talents are Brazen + Pummel. 4 blues, 2 reds, and is perfect enough to 1 shot nearly all enemies on heroic

[hexed steppe]

dont need stacks with nego either

[shy willow]

My goat

[strong cave]

Nobody has been running my crit shotgun setup. It's been unspoken of in the community

[worn imp]

now theres one more i guess

[strong cave]

Going memento starves you on crits so I chose liquid engineer instead

[shy willow]

I'm a full red HHF person myself

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/GwFgtATGDMYIyXsAHGADOzHtawLhFSliijjnBytyrwE5FYFjga3q08IBWRxD9uzxEY-QQNoRwcEmInj0eOAHYo4CFF4RlYYDolLgDaTwW1oaDNOiscGrRFs08yggmXhksZQw5cMFjDEvjRAA

Give this a peek

HHF isn't the only shotgun meta out there 👀 people underestimate high end builds

[worn imp]

getting a red liquid engineer is gonna be hellish

[strong cave]

No? Leave it blue

You genuinely don't need reds on my high end setup

[worn imp]

wtf. Okay but im looking for legendary viable builds

[shy willow]

It's one of the only semi useful blueprints I have from descent 😭

[worn imp]

not even for leggos?

[strong cave]

Even HHF isn't useful for all of legendary

[shy willow]

All red is faster but it's more dangerous, not the only way

[shy willow]

Also this, it only works with clustered ad spawns

[strong cave]

I can try my shotgun build in legendary but I high likely won't make it far

[shy willow]

But when you do get those it rocks

[strong cave]

Most don't run into Leggo and say "yk what dawg, lemme just run my trusty 12 gauge pumper"

They bring a f---- machine gun and have a shootout like it's iraq

[worn imp]

isnt this at least mildly cool?

[strong cave]

The talent is absolute dog water

[shy willow]

Nah clutch is garbo

[worn imp]

damnn crushed hopes and dreams i guess

[shy willow]

At one point it was crazy broken but them days are gone

[strong cave]

You need burst DPS and you need to consistently get kills for the armor repair. It's only temporary

Better off just using Emily's guard for perm repair

(named P90 with perfect preservation)

😂😂

[worn imp]

bruh i cant put django gif in here cause mods 😭

[strong cave]

Honestly I genuinely respect it. I mean, you could terrorize people with vanguard and galvanize

You'll do basically no damage but it'll be fun to give bonus armor

To a team btw. Group build

[hexed steppe]

someone will ban you for stuff like this... please just remove stuff like this from your vocabulary here so there is no reason to do so.. circumventing a word filter is the same as saying the word...

[worn imp]

its not usually lol it was just the exact right quote to describe the situation. But yeah ur right no need to tempt fate xD

[onyx sage]

listen to the man ^

[strong cave]

^^ he's saving your skin. I found it funny but that's just me. We all gotta stay safe with rules

[worn imp]

I haveth listened to thine emmisary, good sir!

[hexed steppe]

yup, it was a friendly 👴

[strong cave]

If any other mod saw that, I personally can confirm they'd nuke you. Those who know, know, right boys?

[onyx sage]

i'm gonna stream my suffering later

[hexed steppe]

nice

ill bring some popcorn

[strong cave]

My suffering is gonna begin now, time to play with the girly friend 💀

[onyx sage]

found the last piece of the puzzle for the pact boss

[strong cave]

On division, btw, just to clarify so no out of context gets taken 🙏

[worn imp]

banned

[hazy steeple]

@strong cave No one needs or wants to hear that.

[strong cave]

I said division 😭 people will be bound to take shit outta context we've seen it

[worn imp]

look at this guy just looking for aaaannyy way he can to get himself banned

[strong cave]

If I wanted to outright say stuff I would've you know me by now

[hazy steeple]

Let's keep the NSFW chat out of this server, yeah.

[strong cave]

Nothing was said, but yes you got it

[worn imp]

I can personally attest that this here Gameroid is SFW!

[strong cave]

I can personally attest I'm gonna go spend time with the loved one on division

Goodnight to all 🙏

[worn imp]

Is there any kind of miniscule source of bonus armor in this game?

[astral kraken]

heartbreaker

[worn imp]

😂

[subtle bluff]

He's not wrong tho.

[worn imp]

defo not, he just inspired me to make a build that fits my aggressive playstyle. Cant really decide whether to use matador or memento for this tho....

memento will also be nice for shield since it makes it far stronger

wait i dont need heartbreaker bro

matador just keeps refreshing

[rich cosmos]

Does reformation not work?

[subtle bluff]

That's a lot of weird extra bonus armor and not at the same time..

[worn imp]

yeah i know this is what im going for.

[subtle bluff]

Yes but it's kind of lack luster

[subtle bluff]

This makes sense.

[worn imp]

im just not so sure that perfect adrenaline rush can anyhow equal nimble in survivability

[subtle bluff]

HF does that..

[surreal stream]

Is the SRS A1 used in any builds or should I strip to max dttooc for MMRs?

[subtle bluff]

It can be used in Hotshot.
Save it

[worn imp]

yeah thats kinda what i rationalized

[subtle bluff]

I actually dislike Nimble. Due to the effort it takes to do use it vs exo gloves.

[worn imp]

its also 1000000% better thjan exo gloves

[subtle bluff]

oops

I can't type anymore I'm coooked

[subtle bluff]

It's not better. It pull you out of combat and you can heal you back up.

[worn imp]

except that nimble can do than an infinite amount of times every minute whereas exo gloves can only do it once

dude run cover to cover through an open area with nimble on legendary with 5 AR enemies shooting at you and u can tank everything

its insane

[rich cosmos]

It didn’t seem it was working

The symbol for it wasn’t even showing and my armor gained didn’t look any better

[subtle bluff]

So try solo a leggo with Nimble

[kind epoch]

Does pressure point kill quicker than Killer? I alternated between both talents and I feel like I kill quicker with PP 😂

[strong cave]

Pretty sure killer is somewhat quicker. Pressure is for more uptime

[rich cosmos]

I put it on a new lexington and like, it just didn’t seem like it was working? I really want to have it work

[kind epoch]

I ran both with krampus bounty on hard. It took me a longer time with Killer because CHC wasn’t kicking in fast enough. I went through the building quicker too

[thick meteor]

Is there any good striker builds with turmoil and coyotes mask?

[astral kraken]

for general play not really

turmoil is pretty niche

[thick meteor]

Ah, well, I need to swap out my striker plate sooner or sooner, since I don't need that much dps

[astral kraken]

i dont like dps either. game ends too fast so less enjoyment/hr.

[subtle bluff]

Killer is better on missions. But ya PP has a better uptime.

[thick meteor]

Should I go for unit alloys or hunter killer for my chest piece for a striker build?

[astral kraken]

equalizer (which is unit alloy)

[thick meteor]

I think I change out my turmoils, they are pretty niche

[astral kraken]

use overdogs instead of coyote

[thick meteor]

I don't have ODs yet, and uhh, well it's kinda hard for me to get exotics (I am looking for a memento tho)

Should I replace my stack broker with something else? Since my striker chest is not equipped anymore

[subtle bluff]

SMG or Shotgun w/e works for you.

[astral kraken]

you can get the blueprint for them by doing hyena retaliations

[astral kraken]

try smg with the unwavering talent. smg-9 or vector 9mm.

[mystic carbon]

Guys, I wanna farm exotic AR, shall I do countdown challenge or heroic?

[kind epoch]

so i just stick with what works best for me? I rarely run missions now. if anything my hardest mission is CD

[subtle bluff]

Challenge

[kind epoch]

i can see how killer is decent now paired with sadist. helps with a CP4 😂 weapon isn't even max stats

[subtle bluff]

It's depends on the build but it's around 5% more than PP when I finished with the Pesti chart numbers I'll get back to OD

[kind epoch]

tinkerer is what i needed to take on heroic lol well for what i currently have

[meager fog]

Tink OD is great

[lyric prism]

drone/turret builds....sawyer's kneepads do no good correct?

WD does not help the drone/turret I thought

[versed summit]

Yeah they're gonna be useless there.

[lyric prism]

ok, thought so. saw someone running them and they said otherwise but I thought not.

[copper yarrow]

Can anyone suggest some good rifles talent to use on a tinkerer rifle build

[solar sable]

OD with sadist and killer, highly suggest using OD

[smoky latch]

Depends. Killer, Boomerang, Rifleman, Lucky Shot are good e.g. But depends on build and purpose

[smoky latch]

That's great too

[hexed steppe]

highend tinkerer determined/rifleman 1886

[copper yarrow]

I'm using it on a Tipping scales build so I think Boomerang and luycky shot

[solar sable]

TS with rifles? idk about that

[smoky latch]

It's quite good when fully buffed

[hexed steppe]

too much stack decay if you arent constantly shooting

[smoky latch]

That's the big downside

[solar sable]

yeah that's why i was thinking abt it

[strong cave]

this build fully fixed SMGs for me 💯

the slight boost to mag size makes both weapons feel like their pre-nerf self 😭 SMGs are so back in my usage

[copper yarrow]

that's where Lucky shot comes in to build and maintain the stacks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edu_fzB6s3w

[hexed steppe]

i get how lucky shot works, its just losing damage when its needed to maintain stacks. you could 100% use nego or od in place pf ts and have damage up front and ability to use 2 damage talents

there is a reason yt builds are frowned upon normally

[meager fog]

Get yourself 4pc Strikers, Salvo Holster, Sokolov Oblit chest and Measured SMG 9

Go BRRRT

[strong cave]

lemme dig for that chest i might actually have it

[onyx sage]

it's awkward to have to aim and shoot with lucky shot rifle because if you don't aim then you take extra time to react due to animation speed, if you aim then you have reduced fov

you also have to take cover to even proc the talent

so sounds good on paper, but middling in real use, i even did a solo tidal run with it too but it's just a lot slower than a striker run

[sterile isle]

Yo agents, I've been running this build since I've hit the endgame content, with a couple modifications along the line but it's pretty much the one I'm running all the time, I'm mostly running solo so being a glass cannon is a double edged sword but I'm making it work somehow, but now I'm looking for any suggestions or opinions on it, I've thought about making a HB AR build for a couple days or even a Skill/Medic or Tank based since I joined a community to help others but I'm not super stacked in materials for tinkering said builds, so yeah, if you have advice or suggestions I'm here for it, thanks a lot agents

[onyx sage]

ditch the sokolov for a ceska

the brand isn't helping you because you aren't running smg

[sterile isle]

Yeah, I've kept it because it's fully amped on all the stats I need and I haven't found a better ceska glove for now

[onyx sage]

don't fret too much about non-max attributes, brands are pretty much on par or stronger than them

so you can use a non-max ceska item since you can always optimize it later

also if you have overdogs gloves, use it instead of coyote

[meager fog]

Ditch the Strikers chest too, it's not really useful outside of Legendary/Master.

Swap the gloves for overdogs, the mask for strikers and the Chest For Ceska Obliterate

[sterile isle]

Right I've never thought that brands would be on par with just pure stats from the items, I'll look for some to change it, and nope, I haven't found the gloves yet I think but let me look for them perhaps I stashed them and forgot

[meager fog]

If you don't have overdogs gloves, Coyotes is best in slot because of the Crit damage bonus.

Or you can use Salvo holster for a 10% ROF increase that is just absurd with Strikers

[sterile isle]

Negative on the gloves and the holster too, I have Centurion and Nimble but no Salvo unfortunately

I have a couple keys maybe I'll get lucky hahah

[onyx sage]

just farm for the unit alloys brand, you'll get both salvo and equalizer

equalizer is the best choice for you right now for most content and can be used anywhere, salvo and overdogs are more situational but in open world and missions they are good to use

[copper yarrow]

got it, thanks for the reply

[meager fog]

@subtle bluff Do we have numbers on Coyotes vs Salvo holster?

That 10% ROF increase could possible out DPS coyotes?

[onyx sage]

salvo makes you lose 2 crit lines (brand and 1 attribute) and gives you around 8% increase back, so it's not going to be 10%

i forgot how much coyote can give but it depends on the existing crit ratio

if you have a sample crit ratio i can sheet it out quick

[meager fog]

Gimme a sec

[sterile isle]

I think I had the equalizer but sent it for proficiency like an idiot

[meager fog]

4pc strikers, salvo and Ceska chest w/ Elmos 57-131.1 ratio

4pc strikers, Coyotes and Ceska Chest w/ Elmos 57 - 143 ratio

[sterile isle]

57 CHC and 143 CHD ?

[meager fog]

Yes

[sterile isle]

Damn, I'm pretty far off that on CHD at least

51.9chc and 104.1chd right now

[meager fog]

You'll ge there, maxed watch, optimised gear and high rolled mods help alot

[sterile isle]

Right now I'm hitting for 200k with no stacks on crits

Well I'm also lacking the fully maxed stat on the watch so that'll help when fully maxed

[onyx sage]

burst dps proportions:

1st config:
average crit: 1+0.57*1.311=1.74727
rof: 1.25
product: 2.1840875

2nd config:
average crit (assuming mid buff): 1+0.6*1.53=1.918
rof: 1.15
product: 2.2057

average crit (assuming close buff): 1+0.57*1.68=1.9576
rof: 1.15
product: 2.25124

both cases of coyote you have higher burst dps

[meager fog]

Math is fun 🙂

[onyx sage]

the coyote ones should also have higher mag and sustained too

because the bullets have higher damage => more mag damage and more sustain

[meager fog]

But it's close from the average perspective. Seems they're actually "trying" to change things

[onyx sage]

but based on a previous calc i did 2p UA seems to be better than just 1p

this is what i had for coyote ceska vs equalizer salvo

[meager fog]

So 2pc UA marginally wins out in Burst

[onyx sage]

this is with 30 expertise on elmo, and as you can see the burst dps is slightly higher for equalizer salvo, but both sustain and bullet damage are lower

[meager fog]

but also means your secondary lacks as much use

[onyx sage]

imo, i think newer players benefit from having an easy to farm chest piece, and the results are close enough between all the obli variants that it doesn't matter, if they do care about damage they'd switch the builds up a lot more

[sterile isle]

I got lost when you guys started doing maths

[subtle bluff]

Ya experience can't find the P. Obli

[onyx sage]

we do it so you guys don't have to :p

[meager fog]

100% right

[sterile isle]

So having coyote ceska has better sustained dmg and dmg per shot but having a 2p UA has a better burst
sorry if I just repeated exactly what you said I'm trying to register the info

[meager fog]

The great thing about this game is that it's 7 years old. The math is already done for you. This is why the build guide pinned in here is so important

[onyx sage]

yes that's correct

[meager fog]

Sometimes we get new equipment that slightly shakes up the maths, and people like Dien and CHow spend hours figuring it all out for us

[onyx sage]

nah i'm lazy, ikia would be the one to spend hours, your question is simple enough for me to compare just 2 multipliers :p

[worn imp]

Is The Apartment with perfectly measured better than a normal MPX with normal measured?

[sterile isle]

So higher and faster damage output on a single target but you lack the same ability to fight multiple at once with the 2p UA than with the CC one ?

[onyx sage]

and i bully chow for no reason whatsoever

[sterile isle]

Damn I haven't seen that pinned build guide I should look into it, thanks for the info !

[meager fog]

Basically it means that your DPs is higher initially, but falls off over time

and it's only marginally higher for the initial burst. So it's not worth using over the previous

[onyx sage]

the number of targets doesn't matter, it's more so that if the target(s) total EHP is bigger than your mag's total damage, 2p UA would lose

[sterile isle]

But when does your burst damage reset ?

[meager fog]

Burst is killing one target

[onyx sage]

burst dps = damage you do over 1 second

mag damage = damage you do over 1 mag

sustained dps = damage you do over the time you empty the mag and reload

for most of the game if your build is good, you kill a target in less than a mag, making burst dps a good metric to measure them

if you want to see how many targets you can kill within a mag for example, you start looking at mag damage

if you're against a very tanky enemy that requires multiple reloads to kill, you start looking at sustained dps

all of these metrics matter to a build, some more important than others, depending on the content

which is why 2p UA is generally considered good because it is easy to build and has good burst dps

[onyx sage]

i don't have an answer to this but i know the apartment is worse than smg-9 measured

[sterile isle]

You just taught me more about the game in 5mins than I've learned since starting the endgame, those infos are super valuable

[worn imp]

I read way back that chow said that 1P ceska + overdogs is still better. Dont know if he was was referring to like DPS meta setup or not.

actually he was probably just comparing equalizer chest to a ceska one and saying which one was better tbh

[onyx sage]

it's still better 100% because it has higher mag damage which starts to matter more in harder content

[sterile isle]

So technically right now I have pretty good burst damage with the one I have, based on the fact that I can kill almost all elites and most bosses within a mag apart from tanks and perhaps rogue agents or more special ennemies like them

Mb

[onyx sage]

yeah your current build is already at that level, it's just minor optimizations

if you want to go a bit more that's when you have to make more drastic changes that will alter your playstyle

[sterile isle]

So I'm mostly lacking both the overdogs and the ceska chest

At least for what I have at the moment

[onyx sage]

overdogs will be the biggest upgrade you can make against general heroic content

[sterile isle]

That'd be great because I'm still playing on challenging, I was waiting to level up a bit more before switching to full heroic wl and content

[worn imp]

Which SMG should I use? I'll continue to optimize and expertise on of them

The SBR 9mm has an accuracy grip and two other 10% crit damage mods

[sterile isle]

Are the overdogs in the loot pool of Summit and Descent yet ? I'd like to farm for one pair at least

[rapid plinth]

Can somone help with my pestilence build?

[tidal swan]

pve or pvp?

[rapid plinth]

Pve

My roles aren't the best but I can god roll later I just dont think its the best it could be

[tidal swan]

I would ditch the turmoil and use just normal ceska. get all striker pieces rolled to crit. Also crit change as the third attribute in Pesti.

There's high-end versions too but I don't remember exactly what they use, Probably something along the lines of 3-lengmo with backbone or vigi bag, glass cannon, overdogs, foxes and something idk.

[rapid plinth]

Ahhh

Thanks, I'll try to throw on some other knee pads but any other recommendations other than foxes I have them and I'll most likely use foxes but I just want to see if theres anything else

[meager fog]

Ditch strikers chest and use Ceska Obliterate or Equalizer

Strikers chest has zero use outside of Lego or Master difficulty

[rapid plinth]

Im trying to make this into a legendary difficulty build

[rapid plinth]

But I do understand why

[meager fog]

Can you solo flawless Tidal Basin?

On heroic

[rapid plinth]

I havent tried without global modifier but with yes

[meager fog]

Pestilence requires a very specific build, its not really great on Lego/Master

[rapid plinth]

Really? I never understood why, I always thought it was great because you can build thoes stacks

[subtle bluff]

There's a full guide in the build hub

[onyx sage]

to be fair i think it's fine, just drop turmoil for a regular ceska knees and you can solo tidal

[tidal swan]

it's fine on just normal striker. I use it in Tidal boss most of the time if I'm playing right side.

[rapid plinth]

Sweet, im new here so thank you

[meager fog]

As with everything, if it works and you enjoy using it. Go for it

[onyx sage]

fair disclaimer: it's less about the build and more about the gameplay that gets you through legendary and master, especially solo. people have used that exact build and with various weapons like elmo, iron lung, etc. and even with glass cannon chest. pestilence will work more or less the same

[rapid plinth]

Oh thats good to know, I am just kinda looking for lazy damage and to run through tidal basin solo, ive never done master

[rapid plinth]

I understand but it completely makes sense what everybody is saying

[onyx sage]

master tidal is a whole different ballpark, it's harder than legendary with no modifiers

legendary tidal is just more or less a dps check

[meager fog]

Yes it does. That's why we're all here lol.

You will get the best advice, but ultimately it comes down to what you want to use.

[rapid plinth]

If im 100% honest ive never heard of master untill you guys just mentioned it

[rapid plinth]

Yeah, im thankful for yall!

[meager fog]

Master is a difficulty reserved for Manhunt finales.

It is essentially legendary enemies without the ability spam but with more "fun" mechanics

[rapid plinth]

Sounds too comp for me😂

[onyx sage]

there are some solo master runs on YT you can watch. i post some and they all exclusively have no modifiers which is even harder but they should give you a taste of what it's like. they basically are legendary scaled enemies but with varied objectives

[rich cosmos]

What are all the things measured assembly stops in pve

Does it stop things like mortars fired from offscreen stuff? Or does it have to be specifically a skill mortar

[strong cave]

skill mortar

[rich cosmos]

Tragic

[slate mango]

What’s the best damage build for assault rifle

[strong cave]

striker

[grand girder]

nah hard wired trust

./j

[regal kestrel]

Hey folks, kinda getting back into the game after a long hiatus (was level 30 and bought the DLCs and made myself up to level 40 myself. Been fortunate enough to pick up some key weapons/gear (Praise RNGesus!)

Here's what I'm running and would love some feedback of what to focus on. Still need to work on getting my crit chance up (30%), crit dmg is not bad (80%)

St Elmo/Caretaker AR
2 piece Unit Alloy (Salvo/Equalizer) (But not great rolls)
2 piece Striker
1 Ninja backpack
1 Mask focused on Armor.

Stats: 100K Weapon/803K Armor/302K health. Good start? I'd like to maybe get into the skill side a bit (Skill Tier 1) but open to suggestions.

[rich cosmos]

Just use striker with salvo and equ

[regal kestrel]

better to farm higher versions of it? The tinkering system seems a little strange but been extracting perks/stats - think I need a few yt videos to have it click

[subtle bluff]

#ask-td2-community pinned messages explains it.

[regal kestrel]

thanks, will check that out

[subtle bluff]

This is now.an old template but just add in both UA named pieces you mention to it and use guides weapon mentions.

Caretaker isn’t great to use vs others.

Also to note:
Exotics/Named Weapons/Gear aren't always the best nor is needed for every build.

[regal kestrel]

I've been farming a bit of countdown for ARs so have a few - Had rolled not bad for this one so was trying to figure out the expertise mechanic

[subtle bluff]

Don’t stress to hard the exp stuff donate them is fine.
If you know where the build hub is there’s a Guide with a Keep loot list in it.

[regal kestrel]

just saw it from the other td2-community channel so will def check it out. Thanks!

[native plume]

That's alot of CHD rolls

[subtle bluff]

Because I have Ceska on.

It all helps out to do this DPS.

[thick meteor]

Should I go for more chc or chd?

[thick meteor]

Because I have about 50+ chc, but I usually get around 300k damage

[subtle bluff]

DPS is the measurement of dmg.

Not per bullet.

[thick meteor]

Ah, alright thank you, I haven't put alot of it into chd, so I'll put a bit into chd

[subtle bluff]

If you want something to measure DPS correctly, there's a tool in Pinned Messages.

[drowsy flame]

could someone share a lmg w/ smg build plz

prefer for someone just starting out

[hexed steppe]

roll with the striker guide

it will work well with both weapon types

[subtle bluff]

what SHD are you?

[hexed steppe]

pinned sheet > hub (builds) > striker 📌

[drowsy flame]

sory new whats shd

[subtle bluff]

or just scroll up since I just posted it too. (i need to wokr on that guide)

[subtle bluff]

What lvl are you?

[drowsy flame]

just starting lvl 1

[subtle bluff]

Don't worry about builds yet. It doesn't matter till you hit 40.

Just play the game learn the basics and doing all the missions up to 40.

[drowsy flame]

ok thanks its good i played the 1st division

[viral field]

Anyone know a good build for the chatter box and foundry bulwark for dark zone

[grand girder]

I'm pretty sure good and foundry bulwark dont belong in the same sentence

[viral field]

Good to know cuz I don't know shit about builds lol

[grand girder]

foundry will turn you into a bullet sponge, you'll eat bullets for a while but yours wont do shit

[viral field]

What should I go with then?

[grand girder]

honestly I'm not the guy to speak on dark zone builds I'll leave that to others, I just know foundry isn't one you want to pick

@subtle bluff

[subtle bluff]

DZ?

[subtle bluff]

Are you wanting to PvP or Farm in DZ?

[viral field]

Little bit of both

[subtle bluff]

Blue Striker if you wanna go farming.
If you want to actually PvP in the Build Hub there's a starter guide for it dedicated PvP builds.

[tropic kiln]

finally hit level 40 running the new tyork DLC right now

[kind epoch]

Any tips for proficiency grinding?

[smoky latch]

Countdown, then just having patience

I think around 20 it slows down quite a bit

[kind epoch]

I mean 20% additional wpn dmg is already quite a lot. I was thinking 10 is a good start

[smoky latch]

15, 17 or 20 was notably going much slower, can't remember

[kind epoch]

I think I’m 3/4 to 5. Im doing great on challenge now with tinkerer and I found out with Killer, there’s a very small window but the mob literally needs to rush me for it to work properly 😂 I’m trying to figure out what works on heroic for me now as I’m still unlocking blueprints. Also do wanna farm more exotics in the same way

[lost wren]

?

why use this over chest striker setup i wonder @subtle bluff

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't needs stacks

It's 30% amp off the bat.

[lost wren]

still the same damage output?

[subtle bluff]

Nothing can beat strike Chest and BP when it's at Max stacks.

The point is you have to get there.

There's very different builds for there use case.

[astral kraken]

This is my standard DPS setup. It's the most AR burst DPS you can get without overdogs or striker chest.

[subtle bluff]

The highest consistent burst DPS you can get out of a build.

[astral kraken]

Yea consistent is the most important part. There are things you can do that require special setup but this just rips when shooting things.

If overdogs is not active it's 12% more burst DPS than other good options.

[lost wren]

for leggo i use striker chest + bag with overdogs and salvo holster

[astral kraken]

If overdogs is active then it's 14% less burst DPS.

[astral kraken]

that's fine if you can keep your stacks up (most people can't)

[subtle bluff]

how often are you able to stay above 75% stacks with Chest?

[lost wren]

pretty often surprisingly
though that's probably because i do pubs

[astral kraken]

to keep your stacks you need really really good positions where you're consistently firing

yea in pugs where no one runs dps that's not too hard to do

[kind epoch]

Reminds me of EB 😂

[subtle bluff]

I only can in some areas. But that because I am using a drum of stacker to 60% of the way tehre.

[lost wren]

for solo i'm probably going to drop it for equalizer, striker bag, and overdogs

[astral kraken]

idk striker chest is just flat out worse even if you play well

because even if you play perfectly you won't keep up those stacks in the beginning of fights

and the beginning is where it's really important, usually

[subtle bluff]

I do a lot a of it I don't really get up there and that's with me carrying the DPS a lot of the time. If you record yourself you'll see.

[astral kraken]

i matchmaked with a streamer recently who was running striker chest. it was tidal and we were equal on kills at the end. when i rewatched his pov there were definitely moments where striker chest was hurting him.

[kind epoch]

Is striker for ARs too? Or only SMGs?

[subtle bluff]

Anything that has high RPM

[astral kraken]

to be fair though it doesn't matter too much in the end. you'll still delete shit.

[subtle bluff]

Standard Striker and PGC way of strikers

@lost wren

[lost wren]

ye ik about those builds

[subtle bluff]

I mean you asked...

Like you didn't know.. 😐

[lost wren]

i was more asking about why people use pgc + pv over something like chest or bag

[subtle bluff]

You can see with in the first 30 seconds

how much faster one was than the other at clearing

[kind epoch]

Is there anything that would give me a larger mag on the EB? The closest would be OD with HP. I tried EB a couple of times and I barely made it 😂

[lost wren]

i'll give pgc + pv a try then, see if i like it

[subtle bluff]

With chest or bag setup you have 0 boost to your dmg unless you have Overdogs going at 30%.
Where PGC, Vigil you have a 30% amp and a 25% TWD

[lost wren]

hmmm

[subtle bluff]

Idk what the stacks are need for when they even catch up

Striker BP has to get back what 65 stacks to even near the DPS you have on PGC Vigil

[lost wren]

how about pgc + striker bag + overdogs
or is pgc + pv better

[subtle bluff]

But then PGC Vigil is also on strikers....

There 2 diferent things

[astral kraken]

Ok so the main reason is actually to do with headshot damage.

Vigi is giving 25% TWD which is basically an amp because it's your only source of TWD. Striker bag is also giving you an additional 25% amp but it's added to an already existing pool (the amp from Striker). Those two basically come out very similarly.

The big difference though is with 2pc Providence you're also getting headshot damage. Assuming overdogs is not active, pgc/gift is 12% more burst DPS with a 0% headshot rate. If your headshot rate is 20% then it's 14% more burst DPS. If your headshot rate is 100% then it's a 17% burst DPS increase.

Obviously you won't have a 100% headshot rate for the whole encounter. But if an enemy is close and has a head you can beam them in the head to kill them much faster. With chungas you break their helmets and headshot them all in one mag.

[lost wren]

gotchaa

like i said i'll give it a try and see if i like it

[astral kraken]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gIi2witRD62oinWVgcnPIJAxF32ccHwh2wme46C0Gow/edit?usp=sharing

I did all of the comparisons here. You can make a copy and toggle Overdogs on and off on the right

[lost wren]

only thing i might not like is vigilance not being up, but ig that's on me for positioning

[subtle bluff]

I made the video you can compare it.

[astral kraken]

That has sacrifice+OD, Equalizer OD, Sacrifice Gift, Ceska+OD, all that stuff. I just don't include striker chest because it's a separate thing in general.

[subtle bluff]

visual just see the differances in TTK from 0 or some stacks.

[lost wren]

sacrifice gift at 114% wow

[astral kraken]

That's with overdogs inactive and 20% headshot rate.

You gotta play with it since there's no clear winner in all situations.

[lost wren]

sacrifice + gift?
where would you fit overdogs

oh i misread
i'm stupid

[astral kraken]

FWIW I stopped using sacrifice/gift this season. I only use it when modifiers are turned off.

Even though overdogs uptime is inconsistent it's really really really helpful with the damage reduction modifier (blue shield) that some enemies have on legendary. Like... a purple assault guy... usually dead in 1/4 of a mag right? Not if they have a purple shield!

[lost wren]

yeah modifiers this time around are pretty nutty

[astral kraken]

Too many times I got pushed by a couple (usually weak) enemies with blue shields.

[lost wren]

right now i use equalizer and overdogs, i used it for this week's leggo and it seemed to be doing fine

i could just drop equalizer for sacrifice or ceska glass and see if i like that instead ig
should also be good for leggo

[subtle bluff]

From Purple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue-MUXZXRnY

[astral kraken]

@lost wren At 7:51 I switch from no striker chest to striker chest. I also use it on roof.

So it doesn't have to be all or nothing. Switch it up based on encounter.

Sometimes you need a lot of damage ASAP to start the encounter, sometimes you need super high sustain DPS.

[lost wren]

oh with backfire as well cool

[astral kraken]

I would say if it's working then there's no reason to change. I only change stuff when there's a specific problem I need to solve. That way I'm changing it up for a good reason. Just IMO.

[inland vigil]

does anyone have like a tank never die build?

[meager fog]

Doesnt exist in division 2.

Bullets hurt alot, and there are alot of them.

Survivbility comes from your gameplay

[astral kraken]

Tanks do exist. They're used in raids. They're just a really bad choice everywhere else, including legendary.

99% of the time a tank on the team is making things harder for everyone.

(but the tank doesn't notice - to the tank it looks like they're helping, but they're not)

[subtle bluff]

A better question why do you ask?

[inland vigil]

I feel too much like paper

damage is good, but I end up still too squishy

on a heartseeker build

[meager fog]

Thats something that only changing your playstyle will fix.

Adding armour will just mean enemies are alive longer and you will die just as quick, if not quicker

Utilising cover properly, setting up firing lanes and keeping yourself out of enemy LoS will go a long way to helping you survive

[subtle bluff]

Can we see the build?

[strong cave]

I'm new player, need build advice 🙏😄

[frozen hull]

True patriot is fun but lots of other sets out shine it

What type of playstyle are you looking for ?

Oh wait lol you’re not new I got scammed

True patriot is the first build I farmed for .. I love the set just with is were better

[versed summit]

Delete this bro

[strong cave]

Got eem 😂

[subtle bluff]

I already had to deal with this in Lego zoo.... He had blues and was trying to boss me around...

[astral kraken]

the best part: chow joined our group afterward and we asked the guy's name. literally everyone in the group said "oh yea that guy is a jerk I blocked him" 🤣

[strong cave]

But how do I make better 😄

[strong cave]

What's depressing is red true patriot actually does fairly good damage... 💀

[tulip charm]

the issue is tp got hit by powercreep and its no longer viable compared to OD.

[versed summit]

Not really

Red FI was better before OD got its big buff too

[tulip charm]

Also think red fi does more damage 💀

[subtle bluff]

And OD has more options on how to support DPS.

[tulip charm]

Ye

[dreamy valve]

Still love the patriotic fireworks

[strong cave]

That much is true. I like true patriot but it's just not worth making it red or blue. I also agree OD or red FI would do more justice than true patriot. For how the build I posted plays, it's honestly not that bad

[versed summit]

True patriot makes me sad to be an American

[strong cave]

You can see upwards of about 750k, which is nearly the same if you ran striker with a couple of blues or if you were just doing negotiators dilemma. I decided to pair it with pestilence so that way it keeps ticking and the flags will keep changing colors until it becomes a full flag. It's a fun Build to pull out of the stash but when it comes to efficiency it's just not it

[magic pilot]

Facts

[onyx sage]

this game is too hard

[versed summit]

I thought this game was division 2?

[astral kraken]

sir have you tried blue cores?

[snow tartan]

the crit chance is basically the same with my other gun, any tips?

[onyx sage]

change out the chest

you can farm for equalizer from the new brand

[astral kraken]

ceska chest until your watch is max or you have enough max mods

also your weapon should have all chc mods except the mag

[snow tartan]

thanks

[astral kraken]

build is lookin good otherwise. gj

[mystic carbon]

I got 9.5% Weapon dmg on my Elmo, is there a way to reroll that one stat? Cuz I have 10%dmg out of cover

[onyx sage]

no, just optimize it

[smoky latch]

You can reconfigure or optimize exotic item stats

[mystic carbon]

What’s that

[onyx sage]

you increase the stat gradually to max by consuming mats

https://reddit.com/r/thedivision/wiki/thedivision2/guides/basics/optimization read this

[mystic carbon]

Tqsm

[kind epoch]

...how does one farm weapon optimization mats? i need outcast material but i've been farming CP3s and bounties. no luck

[onyx sage]

you craft it

guess where you get the blueprints for those

[kind epoch]

...farming CPs

[solar sable]

the average life of the division player

[onyx sage]

retal at least shakes things up

[kind epoch]

i looked into it. that's why i wanted to grind to get just good enough into heroic since BPs are a guarantee right?

[solar sable]

on clear, yes

[kind epoch]

it just takes a long time 😂 i just unlocked the 5.56 muzzle break after grinding CPs for two weeks

[solar sable]

iirc the pool is somewhere near 300 or more blueprints so yeah it takes a while

[kind epoch]

oh...no wonder

[onyx sage]

get grinding

[mystic carbon]

What’s better, Elmo or EB?

Guys Iam lvl 89, what’s the best way to get to 1000?

[kind epoch]

the thing is, i can do heroic, but it just takes a LOT longer 😂 can i just stick to CP3s and hope for the best or wait it out on CP4s?

i literally tried open world on heroic last night and my god, it was a literal waiting game of 1v1s

[solar sable]

Find one control point that's near a safe house or travel point then cheese it
Fastest clear time CP4s are Sleeping Giant, Sinkhole and Navy Plaza (this last one has a lot of travel time)

[kind epoch]

cheese as it take over and reset map?

[onyx sage]

ye

[solar sable]

Eagle Bearer is a pvp weapon, not really used or recommended in pve
Elmo's is recommended for its Mag size, talent, recoil control and its handling in general makes it a loved AR

[solar sable]

There's a pin in #ask-td2-community under the name Control Point XP Farming that explains the second* best xp method

[subtle bluff]

Elmo but then any weapon with +790 rpm w/killer is a lot more DPS than both.

[solar sable]

Yep, exotics are not always Best in Slot (BiS) for some builds

[frozen hull]

Hold up hahab

You can craft those ? I been struggling to optimize my over dogs for those cleaner or rikers mats.. I coulda just crafted them and not run heroic missions over and over to get like 4 at a time

I probably have the damn blueprint too … I’m actually gonna be mad if I do and just never looked haha

[onyx sage]

yes you can

[frozen hull]

I can’t tell you how annoyed I am right now at my self

[onyx sage]

lol glad i helped

[frozen hull]

I have all this crap and never looked haha thank you .. I honestly didn’t put much stock into crafting before … I should start

[worn imp]

How good is concentrated company?

[onyx sage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKEGdGX5v7w kestrel's dua run using coco

[astral kraken]

@worn imp In that one I prestacked it in the range so I started at max stacks. Once you're at max stacks it's great but when you're at low stacks it's not that great. In groups I can hit max stacks in 1-2 encounters usually without thinking about it.

It increases weapon damage so there's synergy with Pestilence.

[dreamy valve]

You think they’ll ever patch the range stacking out?

[silent storm]

What's the benefit over yellow Lengmo build?

[subtle bluff]

Yellow?

[silent storm]

Gear

[subtle bluff]

HE (High End) you mean?

[silent storm]

Same same

[subtle bluff]

Since it's not yellow for everyone due to different colorblind setting.

[silent storm]

Gold then

[subtle bluff]

You could meant yellow has skill Teir or stats.

Why we call it what it is. HE and gearsets.

[subtle bluff]

Gold could interpret as Named.

[subtle bluff]

In general coco can stack more WD which scales with pesti.

[silent storm]

So anyway what is the benefit of the new set?

It gets that high?

[subtle bluff]

Yes.

[silent storm]

Like how high?

[subtle bluff]

Go look it up. It's in the Gearsheet, guide or any of the 2 builders.

[silent storm]

Slight mistake in the guide

lol nm can see it in the SS

Maybe my color is off on monitor a bit

[subtle bluff]

It's just stop trying to rename or reinvent the wheel type deal.

[astral kraken]

You can see from the video how the damage looks. 1.1-1.4 million crit. And 1.9-2.1 million ticks. When everything is stacked up.

I've hit 2.4 million ticks and 2.8+ million ticks with team buffs.

The 935 RPM on the pesti is a little low so it's not the same as striker hitting that damage. But it's still very good.

[astral kraken]

I would guess no because it behaves just like striker does. Striker stacks persist even if you die and reset the mission.

And you can prestack striker in the range too.

[magic pilot]

2 mil ticks

[vale owl]

Hi agents, I've taken a 3 year break and now back on the game. Could anyone point me towards a build guide they found useful?

[cerulean smelt]

you check the build guide in the pins upper right hand corner? most of them are there with maybe an update to what gears are mixed around with a bit more damage included to it

[vale owl]

Hey, no I will look into it thank you

[cerulean smelt]

think people still like the striker build, no clue if they added the salvo holster or equalizer chest into the mix yet

[astral kraken]

This list should get you started:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nOwUSECa-1iLhET-mW04u6oMBdIdMjFjB2Ie25ziEA/edit?usp=sharing

[vale owl]

Still need to get more exotics but that's good to know thanks

[silent storm]

Equalizer Striker is good

[vale owl]

Thanks mate

[subtle bluff]

You don't need exotic for named stuff for a good build

[vale owl]

Well that's good to hear

[hazy steeple]

It's best to think of Exotics/gearsets/high-end (gold) gear all as the same tier, just build specific.

[vale owl]

Deffo in that mindset. Just been unlocking Brooklyn, testing summit and slowly getting gear with high percentage on attributes but I do need a direction as I can see players running different build types and doing amazing crowd control

[lost wren]

what exactly is striker memento with blues used for in solo leggo? comfort? or just practice runs?

[onyx sage]

comfort

[kind epoch]

Is there a HH build for a rifle/MMR or only for regulus?

[solar sable]

you know the Spreadsheet do ya? check Sniper Setups lol

I don't know who I stole this from but I've been making this one

[honest moss]

I feel like i know the answer but is there ANY situation the beacon is not just a waste?

[hexed steppe]

ive ran tinkerer on something very similar determined/rifleman

[solar sable]

share it boy
I'm looking for builds. I was about to type non-meta but I don't want that back here

[hexed steppe]

ill have to search back, give a min

[cerulean smelt]

watches localdeck don the legendary bifocals 😹

[hexed steppe]

really 😂

not far from the truth

[cerulean smelt]

i hate bifocals

[hexed steppe]

#td2-build-advice message

[hexed steppe]

👆

it wasnt geared towards pistol tho so no dh

[solar sable]

appreciate the share, will do this one too tonight

[kind epoch]

Yeah I looked at reds and only saw headhunter regulus 😅

[kind epoch]

30 expertise though 😭 yeah I’m not one shotting ___ with that LOOOL

[hexed steppe]

yeah you dont need expertise to 1shot

[subtle bluff]

I want to fix that one

I started it.... There's soo much to go over..

[onyx sage]

as an average player, i NEED expertise so i can one shot in legendary with determined

[kind epoch]

That’s on me. I completely missed it 🙏🙏

I was looking too hard for the headhunter keyword

[solar sable]

no worries, good luck farming for it

[kind epoch]

I was actually farming hotshot last night and got several good pieces. I’m just missing two now

[hexed steppe]

also had a dch version, ignore waveform, i misplaced dch on one of my alts recently and its just a fill in

🤦‍♂️

[kind epoch]

HH would come in clutch for farming expertise to level up my LMG 😂😂😂😂😂 especially to kill squads with hammers. Occasionally to the tank MGers

Farm loot from afar and keep donating

[hexed steppe]

hh chews through everything tbh, you may need follow up shots tho.

[kind epoch]

Which is completely fine. Even running OD and LMG right now I still like tagging them from a distance away

[onyx sage]

bubble, you wanna farm stuff?

[kind epoch]

Especially bomb dudes. Bomb dudes aren’t as accurate from a distance away

[kind epoch]

😅

[lost wren]

is it used with striker chest or ceska ob chest

[onyx sage]

either or

[lost wren]

oh there's not much difference? hmm

[onyx sage]

ceska is even more comfort

cuz like if you're going blue striker you're not trying to minmax damage anyway

[lost wren]

i'm more used to full red striker but maybe i'll try that for solo if i ever feel like pubs is just not my thing that day

[lost wren]

ye that's why i imagine it's reserved for solo

[kind epoch]

I do CD for farming and the biggest risk I run into is literally freezing up mid game or right before heli extract which is absolutely annoying

At one point I had to force shut down so I had to run two rounds in the time of one

[lost wren]

3 reds, 4 blues, 1 skill tier

[solar sable]

off topic, is it a game issue or a hardware issue? is your pc/laptop kinda outdated?

[kind epoch]

I think game. I play other games too and my computer never freezes. I got my laptop in like 2019/2020 so it’s still fairly relevant

[onyx sage]

yeah that's comfy. you still need to pay attention tho but it's just really comfy for solo. i know broken plays this but i'm only just a full red guy

[lost wren]

yeah i'm usually a full red guy as well

[solar sable]

let me guess, you turned on dx12?

[kind epoch]

I looked into that on Google. My default was set to dx11, I never had to switch off dx12

And then someone else in the group said their game also freezes. I also asked my friend (who’s a total computer nerd) and he said it doesn’t sound like hardware is the issue, may be more of a connection/modem issue than anything

[solar sable]

if it's on try turning it off, I also had crashing & freezing issues with dx12

[kind epoch]

No, it’s been off. I think the game would literally be unplayable for me if dx12 was active

[solar sable]

lol, alright, I will kill this for now since it's not the right channel to discuss this, it was worth a shot

[solar sable]

still got room? 👀

[onyx sage]

join vc sir

[solar sable]

one minute sir

[kind epoch]

good thing i already have most of the pieces for hotshot 😂 i just need Airaldi Backpack with vigilance i think... may still be missing chainkiller

[icy tinsel]

Hey hey! New guy here! I was wondering if i could get someones opinion on this build! I use heartbreaker for my set, and use the pulse scanner ability alot! Is it worth it to do the spotter talent for the 15% damage increase on pulsed enemies? Or do I just run unstoppable force for 5% weapon damage on kill that stacks up to 5? Any advice would be appreciated 🙏

[subtle bluff]

Just use a tech laser point instead of taking up a skill slot for something else. Vigil is a bit better since it doesn't need to stack

The guide needs a small update but pretty follow this.

[icy tinsel]

Thanks dude! I apprecaite this!

[subtle bluff]

There's stuff like this and guides in the Build Hub which you will find in the PInned Messages > Gearsheet

[kind epoch]

HH im doing 15m in damage on challenger. how is this possible 😂

[lament birch]

I might need half blues for my build here.

That heroic boss fight at the refinery kept bullying me with my two blues.

[solar sable]

you can go up to 28mil or something like that on solo

[onyx sage]

with overdogs you can get to 30+ easily

[solar sable]

so true

[kind epoch]

I just want the load out to be good enough to deal a couple of hits in heroic 😂 don’t need ultra damage

I know for a fact I took a CP quicker with this than OD

And it’s not even optimized. Just has the right attributes. Almost

[onyx sage]

i mean you're going to use the same items anyway, why not go for max damage

if you want more survivability you can trade 1 brand for palisade and that's it

[kind epoch]

it's a start. i need to farm for more materials to optimize stats on a couple of these pieces and i need to find another 1886 because i have chd instead of hsd on it

[thick meteor]

Is 2.5mil good for base damage, and 6.9mil good with perfect oblit and full striker stacks?

[solar sable]

coyotes or overdogs?

[thick meteor]

Coyotes, still looking for od

[subtle bluff]

Dmg per bullet isn't the number we use to count dmg is DPS

[thick meteor]

I used the firing at range at the boo

[onyx sage]

don't use the dps tracker in the range, use the actual damage number

[subtle bluff]

in the Pinned Messages

[thick meteor]

Alright I'll do that later

[viscid tapir]

Is there any Seasonal Named Gear I should keep a lookout for <,<?

[mental tangle]

This season or former seasons

[viscid tapir]

talking about the Christmas stuff from the winter keys, my bad >.>

[woeful zodiac]

Is there any alternative build for the Regulus?

Which DOESN'T use the Dodge City Holster?

[tidal swan]

chainkiller+gift+4hunter fury

alternatively High End build which is like... Punch Drunk, 3-Imminence, Contractors, Chainkiller

[woeful zodiac]

I tried Gift+Chainkiller+Overdogs+Fox's Prayer with Providence holster with 10% Headshot Damage and it's works better

But I need AoK

[subtle bluff]

ya HHF

[woeful zodiac]

What about Palisade Steelworks

[cerulean smelt]

hunter's fury has armor and health on kill built in

[lament birch]

<< Prime number: Reached. >>

What is up with my textures though????

[fervent drum]

recently got back into the game, has there been any changes to using status effects with vile? or simply put it as new gear combos or eclipse only thing worth using still w/ vile?

[subtle bluff]

No nothing has change. EP Vile still

[thick meteor]

It seems smudged on my ps5, dunno why, I just restart the game and that fixes it

[hexed steppe]

what's supposed to be prime?

[scenic whale]

I think here it means more of the “great importance” here rather than the literal definition of prime numbers

Unless he means the 977 RPM in which case yes that is a prime number

[hexed steppe]

Oh dear, I must have mis-tagged

[edgy hollow]

anyone got a good backfire build?

[honest moss]

Late to this but in the spreadsheet there should be a build or two for it i imagine. Typically something like strikers will be good with it. Maybe hunter's fury.

[smoky latch]

A good amount of players make use of the seasonal HazPro bonuses again. Makes the build a little weaker but it's more comfortable to play.

[onyx sage]

As an average player, I think backfire hazpro striker is the best build ever

[smoky latch]

I run it sometimes when seasonal modifiers allow

[somber yarrow]

hey any thing to change in my build? thanks in advance

[patent fossil]

Looks pretty solid. If you learn good positioning you won't need EB for damage mitigation and can run something with better dps

But tbf it is fun to just run around facetanking everything, at least solo.

[somber yarrow]

eb?

do i need to change the rock n roll attribute?

currently is magazine size

[patent fossil]

Eagle Bearer, and the ACS is mainly there for stacking, it isn't super necessary when you're not running the striker chest, the stats don't matter that much.

[frozen hull]

If you really want to maximize your damage and want to use the assault rifle, then you want a Lexington or a st Elmo’s .. I think Lexington is slightly better but I really comes down to preference.

[smoky latch]

It appears they want to get their EB to proficiency tho.

[frozen hull]

Oh whoops I shoulda read the whole thing

Yeah I did the same the other day … just ran countdown over and over til it was level 10 lol

[fleet wasp]

anyone able to share an all damage striker build?

This is what I’m running with rnw but dunno if it’s any good or not

[onyx sage]

at your level you basically got 80% of it correct

[lament birch]

SHD level 777

[onyx sage]

this is the template for it

[fleet wasp]

omd i was looking for that your a legend thank you bro

[lament birch]

I was dealing with that for the whole night, will try that later— or not, cuz I gotta get ready after I eat something

[frozen hull]

I see a lot of people using leftie over other ones … is there a reason ? Reading the takent it has to do with grenades .. which suck in this game mostly … is there another reason why it’s suggested a lot …

[hexed steppe]

Oh, its not actually prime number if thats what you meant

[lament birch]

Huh-?

So it’s an odd one instead???

[hexed steppe]

Being a utility/stacking weapon anyways the talent doesnt matter a whole lot. The buff from perfect sledge is pretty good if you get opportunity to proc it

[hexed steppe]

What's a prime number?
What's odd is this back and forth

[onyx sage]

prime number means it has no positive divisor other than 1 and itself

777 isn't prime because it's also divisible by 7 and 111

[hexed steppe]

And 21 and 37 and 3 and ...

[onyx sage]

look at this nerd

[solar sable]

just for the whole talent or stacking strikers, not really anything special
Would 100% use Brazen on a regular ACS-12 for anything that doesn't require stacking, for example, striker chest stacks in a raid

[hexed steppe]

Too much time around nerds and one starts to become one

[onyx sage]

not me, i plan to remain being average

[solar sable]

what's your opinion on determined? 🎙️

[lament birch]

Local dork :p (Affectionate)

[hexed steppe]

[fleet wasp]

I was just told to run it becuase it pairs with my gear well

But it lowkey sucks I’m ngl the amount of damage it does is bunz compared to the Elmo’s I’m using

[smoky latch]

It's used because of its talent

Also to get gear stacks up

Not good for damage purposes

[frozen hull]

Yeah that’s what I mostly used it was for the stacks so I was fine with just a standard version .. just wasn’t sure if it had something else I wasn’t aware of thank you tho

[frozen hull]

Yeah it’s not a murder machine by any means haha

[lament birch]

I like to use it when I’m in need of stacks of both Strikers and Mementos tags

[solar sable]

tbh, you don't really need to focus on stacking if you're hitting your shots with your AR as most of the time you'll hit 100 stacks in no time

[late egret]

I am looking for a pvp build. I wanted to use ouroborus and system corruption - any tips / advice to what cores and talents to run?

[onyx sage]

must have

[smoky latch]

I could be wrong but I think by now SC isn't really good anymore. It used to be great with EB or Bighorn for instance until Project Resolve in '23.

Not invested in PvP anymore so if I'm wrong pls correct me

Striker I could imagine is a decent way with Ouroboros in the DZ

[lost wren]

sys corr and ouro is a counter against heartbreaker in 1v1, but that's all it's really good for
outside of that it's just umbra's initiative, bighorn hsd hazpro and armor regen, and shield regulus

[strong cave]

I've been seeing umbra + tempest making it's way to the pistol builds

And you're 100% right on sys Corr being a very strong 1v1 build even for HBreaker counter

[lost wren]

umbra in general is just so widely used

[strong cave]

The meta currently favors it. Conflict nothing but DPS, Regen, or skill builds. In DZ you have more variety but also more cheaters

Or worst case scenario, it's just flat out dead

[lost wren]

umbra is obnoxious as shit lol

[strong cave]

I felt very uncomfortable taking my gf into dz today and felt zero threat whenever I saw agents appear

[strong cave]

I had to stop playing it because it's just too easy and repetitive. Get into cover, wait, mag dump, repeat

[lost wren]

i’m more in favor of bighorn because at least for that you have to hit heads, but it’s still meta to meta

the dps you have to face is ridiculous

[strong cave]

Yeah not even a full firewall armor kit with Regen can save you

Heals are so nerfed in pvp too that there's no point running heals anymore

[lone kelp]

Does tdi kard custom apply overcharge if ur at skill tier 6

[hexed steppe]

no

[onyx sage]

7 skill tiers doesn't mean overcharge

[solar sable]

you proc overcharge by dropping your hive and destroying it IIRC

[subtle bluff]

BTSU gloves

[odd thicket]

I'm building a refactor build with chemfire so the attributes line should be skill DMG right?

[subtle bluff]

It does but it's not that much dmg.

[cosmic hedge]

Here’s a magazine size build if you ever want 115 rounds in your Huntsman 😭

2 unit alloys, 2 brazos , 1 tipping scales, and ninja bag

[meager fog]

Oh god my eyes

[cosmic hedge]

Yeah it’s a hideous build, super fun for low level content

[hexed steppe]

took a spoon to mine after seeing this setup

[meager fog]

Its christmas day...bro just woke up with a lump of coal and chose violence

[hexed steppe]

good thing santa done putting stuff together, till tomorrow anyways 🍻

[smoky latch]

There is not enough gear set in it, put some True Patriot

[woeful zodiac]

Thanks for the build idea bro

Is this a good Regulus build?

[smoky latch]

Yeah but get an IA holster and use Fox's Prayer

[woeful zodiac]

Headshot DMG is at 205%

[woeful zodiac]

I'm losing a little TOO much headshot DMG here

And I really don't wanna use the Dodge City Holster

[hexed steppe]

after 150% its kinda just extra and not necessary

granted i prefer highend as well

the fox's would go a good way as suggested above

[subtle bluff]

That first build is all you need

[solar sable]

The HE one is great if you wanna use your rifle a little more

[chilly stirrup]

Any one willing to assist me with putting together a build that I can simply survive challenging content solo. The system is a little overwhelming, I’m a returning player.
Any help would be appreciated.

[subtle bluff]

What SHD are you?

[solar sable]

I would, I just need my xbox back and money for game pass

[chilly stirrup]

422 or so

[subtle bluff]

Do you know how target farming works?

[hexed steppe]

honestly its more positioning as long as you have the damage. for challenging something like memento added to a good dps set like striker/heartbreaker/hunters fury will be plenty of added survivability while still dishing out damage

[chilly stirrup]

No not really have watched a few videos on it what’s confusing for me is what gear to keep and which ones to not keep.

[subtle bluff]

Yup just making sure what you're basic knowledge it

Okay follow this go to the Pinned Messages > Gearsheet > Build Hub > Farming Guide

[subtle bluff]

Context wise this was my first real attempt with HHF on Zoo leggo. I'm using a Tech HHF version. For sure I did a bunch of things wrong but ya it's enough dmg.

[woeful zodiac]

@subtle bluff just try my build bro

[subtle bluff]

I don't need to..

[woeful zodiac]

If it's bad, I will use a HHF build
If it's good or ok, just give a feedback

[subtle bluff]

HHF works good enough I like HF because what just did here the IA HE version wouldn't make it thru

The reason people use IA because they can't build HH correctly.

If you're trying to use Regulus you have to hit your HS the whole time.

Also IA HH was made mostly so players to use Determined Pistol builds.

[woeful zodiac]

Yea but sometimes I miss the HS and I end up hitting a body shot

[subtle bluff]

Yup. I do a lot too.

Why HF balances that out...

[subtle bluff]

were you good with that info I gave you?

[meager fog]

Context?

[lost wren]

leggo should've specified
was sifting through rewards after i did this week's leggo

[hexed steppe]

swap it to nego and bluescreen and its what i run most of the time

[lost wren]

ye i have a loadout saved for that

[hexed steppe]

nice. odog on nego is dope

[full sedge]

experimenting with this HF "four corners" build. I like the 10m distance the backpack gives on the status effect. the perfect obliterate seems unnecessary though, since shotgun doesn't really benefit from Unit's first bonus of 5% RoF. Any alternative suggestions?

[subtle bluff]

Ceska GC would be better here. Also Brazen talent for shotgun.

Normally we suggest Chest talent intimated and BP Ad. Rush.

[full sedge]

thx, will give it a try

[kind epoch]

I’m having extreme difficulty doing the sleeping giant CP with directives on. Can someone advise 😅 I’m not doing one shot headshots

[hexed steppe]

if you want to quick farm it i would use a determined white death or m700 carbon/sr1

mantis is a solid sniper but it wont 1 shot everything without also having solid aim

[meager fog]

Determined gives guaranteed headshots after first kill. Much faster and easier

[hexed steppe]

sleeping giant was my preferred control point to run on repeat aned its one of the easiest in my mind

[kind epoch]

thank god i have 700 carbon with no calibration yet... i'd have to check white death

[meager fog]

White death has the highest first shot damage of all snipers, as it has higher HSD bonus

[hexed steppe]

both are really good. i use m700 carbon if i run that

[kind epoch]

i only have one white death but in sync instead of determined

[hexed steppe]

whitedeath is easy to farm. i get a lot of them from most strongholds

[meager fog]

iirc Tidal Basin has a higher chance for it to drop?

[onyx sage]

zoo i think

[hexed steppe]

this will work well. 1 shots are pretty flexible as long as the rest of the build conforms. minimum 150%hsd , chainkiller

[onyx sage]

yeah i don't use mantis, it's too hard for me to aim with it, determined much easier

[hexed steppe]

i feel like i always have a whitedeath sitting in my inventory after most missions tbh

[solar sable]

say its name

[onyx sage]

i like Red Dragon CP

[kind epoch]

i just had to complete a bounty real quick for the credits 😂 im gonna try m700 now

[hexed steppe]

stole something like this a while back

cant remember who tho

[onyx sage]

jokes aside mantis is only used if you want to squeeze out more damage, it's top tier right under shroud and nemesis

[onyx sage]

maybe @astral kraken

[kind epoch]

accuracy or stability?

[hexed steppe]

stability

[onyx sage]

stability till 100%

[kind epoch]

tyty

[hexed steppe]

100% stability is no scope sway

[subtle bluff]

You're stable...

[kind epoch]

im at 260% HS dmg atm

[onyx sage]

you don't need too much hsd, getting more QoL is a lot more impactful

also if you're willing to give up 4p hotshot, overdogs is a direct upgrade

[kind epoch]

i dont have overdogs 😭

[onyx sage]

gotta farm with us some time, the offer don't come so easily 😉

[fleet wasp]

anyone have a good swap for the striker build the lefty shotgun is complete bunz and i swear there has to be a weapon that pairs better with the kit

[hexed steppe]

there is a better kit

nobody guessing im gonna say nego

[fleet wasp]

shit would you be able to gimme that if you dont mind imma grind for it im tryna do as much as damage as possible

this one is good but theres lots of missions that im doing not near enough damage

[kind epoch]

i can tell. just lmk, im flexible

[onyx sage]

you don't really use lefty that much for most situations

just curious of what kind of missions you're having trouble in

[fleet wasp]

the tower, countdown, and a few main missions after a few runs or missions the damage i could do compared from the start to the end of that decreases so much, i dont know if i built it right or if theres a build that stays more consistent

[onyx sage]

if i'm guessing correctly you're using the obliterate variant, in that case there's no business using any acs-12 variant, just use the AR and shoot them normally

[kind epoch]

what scope do you guys use? i just stuck on the exps3 and have everything else on stability and accuracy. i dont have too many rifle attachments

[hexed steppe]

all crit like striker

[onyx sage]

for what build

[kind epoch]

hotshot

[fleet wasp]

is there any chance you got the names for that i have no clue what those pieces and weapons are mb

[onyx sage]

stability or weapon handling for me

i don't use first person scopes

[hexed steppe]

negotiator dilemma are the blue(green) ceska glass chest, overdogs gloves

you build nego like you do striker, your highend/exotics are pretty interchangable

[onyx sage]

well some missions are just made to be a lot harder, if you want to be more specific, but countdown is just made to have tanky adds

summit is just like open world/mission kind of scaling

[fleet wasp]

i also just run around and slam some control points for a couple hours and would it be cause they are increasing in difficulty the more i beat or is it the build/playtstyle?

[onyx sage]

it's just the build/playstyle, there's no difficulty adjustment in this game

[fleet wasp]

what exotic is that?

[onyx sage]

bluescreen and overdogs