td2-build-advice

[hasty sluice]

I forgor do we run A&8 chestplate?

[candid depot]

i got the ouroboros, whats a good build with it?

[hasty sluice]

anything that uses smgs

[candid depot]

like hunters fury?

[hasty sluice]

strikers, Hunters, a build you dont have an exoitc weapon on.

Ongoing if you want funny ah ammo eff

[dreamy valve]

I used to use Oroboros until they nerfed it. I liked it with heartbreaker

[kind epoch]

do all specs give wep dmg or it depends?

[onyx sage]

all

[pulsar belfry]

hi all, im using ongoing directive set with iron lung (not sure if this is my final weapon or what works best with this set) with the ongoing directive backpack (for the bleed buff) and a chest with perfect trauma.

I am doing good offensively as far as i can tell, but im not sure where to go from there.

Should I worry about things like crit when tinkering? Would i get more from something else?

[subtle bluff]

Go to the Pinned Messages > Gearsheet > Build Hub > OD Guide

You can do so much betteer

[pulsar belfry]

is that the Ongoing Directive (Y7S2) doc? Looking at it now thank you

wasnt sure how to look for it, but my girlfriend is trying to make a build around the ninjabike messenger backpack (one that allows you to use 2 sets), is that viable at all? I didn't see any builds named ninjabike or anything

[solar sable]

anything is viable, but don't use it

you're going to be better with wicked, nbb cannot compare to the 30% dmg buff from bleeding enemies

[pulsar belfry]

perfectly wicked talent?

[subtle bluff]

There's not a lot in the doc read thru it or at least look thru it

[pulsar belfry]

I searched the named/exotics, I wasn't sure which it was

yeah, searched the whole document for 'wicked' and there was nothing outside of 3 instances, the talents and some flavor text on a weapon

[kind epoch]

it's under Two of the Following

under the green box for the set

a bullet point says backpack with the Talent (Bis) Wicked

[subtle bluff]

It's a talent. Look in the gearsheet

Hey @pulsar belfry what SHD are you guys?

[lament birch]

Hmm— which shotguns are good to use with assault rifles or SMGs?

[pulsar belfry]

about 150, reading through the doc for myself, she's doing her own thing kinda but trying to make educated guesses at least using the sheet

[subtle bluff]

Do you know what CD is?

[pulsar belfry]

lol my first thought is cdeez, but only because I don't know what CD could stand for and I'm mentally 12

[lament birch]

Crit Damage

[pulsar belfry]

I initially tried to pile on crit chance and didn't see it working too well with the ongoing directive/status effect thing I was doing with iron lung, but I am not sure if that's just because I was doing it wrong or if my crit dmg was too low or something (i was like 44% crit andl ike 70& crit dmg)

[subtle bluff]

No. CD is for Countdown.

[subtle bluff]

CHD - Crit Hit Dmg

[pulsar belfry]

I think that's one thing I haven't done yet

[subtle bluff]

So... also in the build hub there's a Farm Guide.

Follow that and that'll get you going on getting gear and you set to start buliding easier.

[subtle bluff]

It's more player/build preference than just "good"

[lament birch]

I’ve been using the Mop and Thorn on and off in place of the AA-12 trio

[alpine spear]

Eargle bearer 100 stacks striker build

[solar sable]

solid

[alpine spear]

[kind epoch]

how much more dmg does gunner spec provide?

[subtle bluff]

the only one that gives more dmg is firewall with striker shield and Sharpshooter for MMR and Rifles for HSD

[kind epoch]

oh...

[subtle bluff]

it give rpm every 3 reload that is more DPS

[rich cosmos]

I do wonder how they will rework specializations

Thats still happening right

[hazy steeple]

It's on the backburner, but it is planned "eventually".

I'm sure it's going to coincide with the Skill rework.

[rich cosmos]

1000000 resources to survival 2

[lament birch]

Man- I love the caretaker :))

[meager fog]

I would love to enjoy it, but it feels like a paintball gun in high wind at more than 10m

And the ROF kind of kills the purpose of the perfect talent

[subtle bluff]

Man I love M4 with Killer...

[lament birch]

M4, my beloved

Never gave her that talent yet though

[lament birch]

I wonder if putting it onto a strikers build will help with its fire rate issue..?

[subtle bluff]

Man Killer on anything with super high RPM I love.

[meager fog]

What you gain with Perfect killer, you lose with poor RoF and accuracy. Its honestly not worth using

Even with strikers, its still behind anything high ROF with standard killer

[lament birch]

Is that Dark Winter I’m seeing? :0!!!

[meager fog]

Dark Winter is a far better weapon than Caretaker

[lament birch]

Railsplitter sure is fun to use though

[meager fog]

If you really want to, anything can be fun to use

The issue is investing into stats to improve it and losing out elsewhere

[subtle bluff]

how does this look like a Dark Winter?

[lament birch]

That’s an MP7?

I can’t tell from that angle

[subtle bluff]

You can't go look?

[lament birch]

All that investment into something that’s as good as you originally thought it’d be in your build

[subtle bluff]

uh?

[lament birch]

Oh— that’s just a stock less Vector

[subtle bluff]

that out does Dark Winter

[honest moss]

Why does the tac vector out do the others? What is the differences between the 3 vector versions?

[subtle bluff]

Higher Base WD

[honest moss]

Ah okay. Thank you. I would have thought the .45 would have been higher than one of the 9mm but i guess it is to balance the lower mag.

[subtle bluff]

It's weird but ya.

40,505.5
39,306.5
38,300.5
are the numbers

Then with 70 vs 90 CHD that base number is pretty big!

[honest moss]

Thanks MrChow, much appreciated

[hazy steeple]

It's a video-game thing, where a gun has a downside, so it does more damage.
e.g. in this case: you have to be closer.

see also: gun is very slow to fire = massive damage.

[honest moss]

Oh yeah i totally get that, i just never really looked at all the different versions. So i always wondered what the major change was. Also nice 🎄 btw!

[viscid locust]

Help a brother out. Is there any build for Regulus that's viable in Countdown?

[subtle bluff]

question would be why.

[viscid locust]

Recently got the gun and I would really like to make that gun work. I've looked online and found some Headhunter, Hunter's Fury build for Regulus. But not sure if it's viable in Countdown

[subtle bluff]

No. Too much HP on CD ads.

Go learn that build in heroics before you try it in CD

[viscid locust]

Alright. Can you recommend a general purpose build for Regulus? (Open World/Summit/Missions)

Not sure if I should be going all HE gear or HF set

[subtle bluff]

HHF

Open World with HHF Reggie isn't great.

It's fine and was one of the fastest builds for Mission.

In Summit it'll run into the problems of things not having heads.

[viscid locust]

lol

[subtle bluff]

Learn how HH works by doing a Hotshot build first. IMO

It's not a straight forward build.

[viscid locust]

I do have 2-3 HH builds already

I just hate how it falls off in group plays

[subtle bluff]

hmm?

[viscid locust]

Anyway, one more thing. Can you suggest a build focused around Bittersweet?. I know it's pretty meh in terms of dps numbers but I love crap out of this gun. Tried 3pc Red FI, NinjaBag, Eagle Glove and Fox's Prayer but the self healing felt pretty ass and handling is abysmal. Any other recommendations?

[subtle bluff]

Trust it's just get harder if you already didn't know what HH limitation are. HHF is a great solo build but in groups it's not easy at all.

[subtle bluff]

NBB nerfed yourself already.

I need to get it first before I start saying anything about it

[viscid locust]

Okay. Thanks for the intel

[subtle bluff]

There's a ton of good info for HH stuff in the Build Hub.

[sullen anchor]

hi guys can anyone shair a good tank and healer build for raids me and my friends started paly the game now we are trying the harder content we need sone help aideas...

[subtle bluff]

So for raids you want to be on DPS when first going to learn. Tank and Healer roles aren't normally good for FTC's.

What SHD are you guys?

[sullen anchor]

i am the dps me friends will be play other roles they are at work i wanted the have the builds now to discus with them layter when they are online .

other play the game before 5 years ago but we all return the game last week

[subtle bluff]

Have you done the raids already?

and again what SHD levels are you all ish.

[sullen anchor]

5 years ago yes

not the current builds or anythink before the expansions

[subtle bluff]

SO when it first came out.

[sullen anchor]

yes

[subtle bluff]

IH? and DH..

A lot from then has changed.

In the Build Hub you'll find FI Guide that for Support/Healer. There should be raid one for IH stuff.
DH is pretty all DPS and one FI now.

[sullen anchor]

yes what is the current meta for the tank healer dps for example we will farm the items first in coundown or summit than try the raids what we need buılds the faloow

what is the build hub can u shair the link

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > Gearsheet

[sullen anchor]

is there web sites the fallow current builds meta?

[strong cave]

The gearsheet

[sullen anchor]

thx i saw it now are the current metas updated regulerly ?

[thick meteor]

Do I require a mostly red bar for a coyotes striker build?

[strong cave]

ODogs > Coyote

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't change a lot.

[paper nymph]

Are the ODogs in General lootpool?

Im a returning player and missed them

[strong cave]

@subtle bluff they are? I heard you have to get them from an exo cache or craft them from retaliation

[subtle bluff]

I can't remember where I got my 2nd one tbh..

Exo cache I think...

[strong cave]

It does drop from Exotic Prio Objectives

[subtle bluff]

I've been told retal has them.. These are #ask-td2-community more than build question..

[sullen anchor]

is there better site to look for current builds or Gearsheet builds are good atm ?

[subtle bluff]

no

[strong cave]

Somebody might know more than 2 of us so Def follow this ☝️ didnt turn ping off lmfao

[subtle bluff]

The build hub is pretty for everything your asking.

Most of the knowledgeable people have burned out and there VERY few people keeping things updated. The meta hasn't really shifted much since striker became meta shortly after you left.

[restive python]

M16 or Classic M1A?

[strong cave]

UIC Mod would be best, or Police MK17. M16 boomerang is pretty good too

[restive python]

M16 Sadist in an OD build. It hold up surprisingly well. Well, i have to try it on Heroic stuff first

[strong cave]

Haven't tried M16 Sadist but it should hit pretty good on OD

[subtle bluff]

Context helps.

[versed summit]

uic mod is still kinda mid tbh

[strong cave]

Still? Damn. I've heard lots of good things about it and it plays well imo

[versed summit]

it has good sustain and handles well, but overall it doesn't make up for it's bottom of the barrel burst DPS

[strong cave]

Now that definitely makes sense there 🤔 I didn't account for burst since well... Rifles aren't the best choice for burst

[versed summit]

yeah kind of the worst of the worst there IMO

[subtle bluff]

Ya... It took me like 5 or 6 tries to do my heroic run thru on rifles.

I thought I knew which rifle was gonna do good.

[strong cave]

I will get you to touch my rifle ravenous build one day

[restive python]

You know what'd be cool? The M16A4. Literally the M16A4 but with long optic rail and grip attachment slot. Like, plz Massive, give me the M16A4 and my life is yours

[strong cave]

I'd like to see the rifle M4 turn into an AR

[versed summit]

that'd make me happy

[worn imp]

Any good builds with Lady Death? im guessing u wanna run Hunters instead of strikers cause of the lower mag size and such making it harder to get stacks quickly

[minor otter]

Just getting back into the game I only pve ATM on Lexington what should I use flatline or killer

[subtle bluff]

Killer

[minor otter]

Thanks 🙏

[versed summit]

Hunters is the best fit for it, but it falls off on heroic, just due to struggling to one mag enemies.

[surreal stream]

Do exotics & named items have fully fixed attributes or just fixed talents?

[worn shadow]

Q: Is there anything good for DPS other than striker, only been using it for a few days clearing legendaries, but it’s too easy now bruh.

[solar sable]

Exotic weapons have fixed core attributes but the third one can be reconfigured, as for exo gear, everything is fixed
For named items, some of them have fixed talents and fixed core attributes

[worn shadow]

Q: also, what is the best EXP method, I wanna level up my watch to 1000+ lol

[rich cosmos]

Waiting for the day that weapons can change their core attribute lmao

[solar sable]

1. try Tipping Scales, CoCo maybe
2. Check #ask-td2-community pins for Control Point XP Farming

[solar sable]

imagine

[rich cosmos]

Only issue would be blue core but like that would just instead be like armor kill or something

That would be kinda a neat weapon rework

Not needed in the slightest tho

[surreal stream]

with that are all the named weapons worth holding on to and recalibrating to dttooc/chc or are some of the talents just so bad they could never reasonably become meta?

[solar sable]

sometimes non-named are better, sometimes named are BiS, sometimes exotics... but not always everything is going to fit

Yeah, always using dtoc/CHC on LMGs is great, you get the most dmg out of it

[surreal stream]

yeah I'm just thinking in terms of cleaning house that with fixed talents I don't need to fish for the one good rolled attribute on a named weapon because there's nothing else to recal

[meager fog]

There are alot of talents that are just plain useless.

There are some that are niche, there are some that are fine and some that are great.

[solar sable]

youtubers love niche talents hehe

[surreal stream]

I guess follow up are there so many named items now that it's unreasonable to keep one of each for the sake of collecting

[meager fog]

Not entirely unreasonable, but not really alot of point outside of expertise levels

[solar sable]

your stash would be full and so are your other 3 characters
as Dorky says, donating them to Expertise makes them sort of useful

[surreal stream]

and since i just spotted one is Enforcer's whole deal like boosted base stats and no rolled attribute or am I looking at a bugged item

[meager fog]

No, Enforcers has "Perfect Pummel" talent, which means theoretically you don't need to reload it (if you build properly). However it by design does not have a third attribute making it....kind of eh.

[surreal stream]

and White Death rolls like a regular item?

[meager fog]

White death has higher bonus Headshot damage than any other MMR, capping at 137%, that's it's "Named talent"

It can roll with any MMR talent, and the talent can be changed on it.

[surreal stream]

OK so this one I hold out for a good attribute roll then

[meager fog]

Yes, it's one of the best MMRs for one shot builds because it has the highest up front damage (vital for first kill to proc HH/Determined)

[onyx sage]

i love determined

[surreal stream]

and last thing there's no reason to keep sub-40 exotics because I'd need to get a new one to be able to upgrade it anyway right

[meager fog]

You should have the reconfigure blueprint available from Inaya, you can reconfigure them to 40

The only one you can't, is the one from the level 35 cache. That's junk.

[surreal stream]

that's the Capacitor yeah?

[onyx sage]

ye

[meager fog]

Yes, but you can get that again by completing 5 objectives in the summit, which gurantees a capcitor the first time you do it

[surreal stream]

hmm apparently the stash exotics I looted on a different character can't be bought on this one

and that character can't buy them either so I guess those real old ones are trash

[onyx sage]

did you buy the shared blueprints from inaya?

[surreal stream]

ohhh ok I already had them on that character

[subtle bluff]

Wished i could get.

[onyx sage]

yeah on every new character you need to buy it

[surreal stream]

what 3 years of fading memories does to ya

[onyx sage]

that transfers over all the blueprints you had on old characters

[meager fog]

Just a thought: Do not get rid of the Enforcer. It's an exclusive preorder weapon.

It's not a great weapon, but you can't get another 😛

[surreal stream]

looks like the reconfiguring's a later project because in scrapping for materials the new main's broke in terms of credits

[meager fog]

Do bounties to farm credits

[worn imp]

Whats the optimal setup for CHC : CHD ratio for this gun while running this build? Is it what I already have perhaps? (see below) Rn i just have 0.5% crit chance over 60. The LMG also has 9,5 crit chance as third attribute. All crit chance stats are maxed

[lament birch]

Hunters is best for SMGs and Shotguns though, no?

[lament birch]

Woooaahh—

[lament birch]

Cool beans, that build looks like

[worn imp]

The reason hunters is amazing for regulus is because: using headhunter oneshots enemies -> enemies dying will stun other enemies around them -> stunning keeps enemies still making for easier headshots -> repeat

[onyx sage]

the bonus for smg and shotgun is so minor it doesn't matter. the 3p and 4p apply to every weapon and the 4p is the bulk of the set's strengths

[lament birch]

I’m pretty sure my current build can out pace it in the case of damage anyways

But I still wanna try it, since I used to run those two together when u was making my Strikers build before

[onyx sage]

you sure?

it's not even using regulus, this clip uses it from the same build:

[lament birch]

I can’t hit heads, I can hit center mass better instead

[onyx sage]

doesn't matter, a better player can maximize that build's potential

but yeah it's currently speedrun meta for a lot of content, it beats a lot of builds if the enemies can be one-tapped

[lament birch]

I can’t one tap or speed run, unless I use a shotgun that has brazen and I aim for the head after grabbing a few tags

[onyx sage]

regardless, your claim is wrong

[surreal stream]

So looking at the trends for stuff on the general keep list, are defense builds just completely nonexistent?

[onyx sage]

yeah since they just don't work in this game unless you're willing to take a lot longer to clear content

[hexed steppe]

But, but, doesnt liberty foundry forge catharsis unlock godmode?

[lament birch]

My claim was more posed as a query than a factual statement

I’m mainly aiming for fun first, if it’s effective however, I’ll use that

[onyx sage]

red build: i die so quick
blue build: i don't die but nothing dies 💀

[onyx sage]

how is this a query?

[lament birch]

Forgot the question mark

[onyx sage]

even with the question mark, in what world is a sentence with "pretty sure" not a claim?

[lament birch]

What of yellow builds?

[hexed steppe]

Reads like a claim

[onyx sage]

the question mark on top would just be grammatically incorrect too so

[lament birch]

I worded it poorly then

[hexed steppe]

Lmao, anyways.. yellow build.... go mortar or go home

[onyx sage]

or fire eclipse on hard and below

[hexed steppe]

Can nego count as a skillbuild?

Transfer being "skill" damage

[onyx sage]

sir...

[surreal stream]

I was enjoying the "99% drone uptime" set with a skill build while leveling but I could see how it falls apart as you start facing more EMPs

[subtle bluff]

Uh?

Unless?

[lament birch]

?sselnU

[subtle bluff]

You know how to build...

[hazy steeple]

˙pɹᴉǝʍ sʞool ǝƃɐssǝɯ ɹno⅄

[scenic whale]

If you’re solo you don’t die but things takes forever to also die

If you’re not solo they’ll just walk past you to shoot teammates who are currently doing higher damage to them. AFAIK there are some support beefier PFE builds but even then those are somewhat playing towards doing damage still

[subtle bluff]

"aiming" not really...

[surreal stream]

OK so the fundamental game design issue is that there's nothing in defense builds to boost threat gen then

[hazy steeple]

I will say that using Lincoln on Heroic is the equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel for someone who's a div vet of a certain start time.
I wouldn't be surprised if we had seen an actual blindfolded run at some point.

[scenic whale]

I tried using Immenence Armaments that didn’t do much either. Ironically enough going into Skill Tier and using decoys/drones acted as better diversions than I ever was

Granted there are probably some enforced tanking sections in a raid like Iron Horse but that’s about it

[subtle bluff]

The challenge first would be using a controller.

[subtle bluff]

I explain it this way. Bullets and booms booms hurt, a lot.

But ya there’s no real thread gen other than doing DMG.

[scenic whale]

It’s also just a bad idea to invest your tankiness into something that gets knocked off your hand from most explosions and also gets hard countered by EMP unless you then spec into Pulse counter

[subtle bluff]

There is a way to hold A threat but out of the many.. meh.

[scenic whale]

At which point you were better off just going for something else entirely

[subtle bluff]

IMO it’s what makes this game unique at the end game: Master and Legendary content. Like I wished everything was scale for groups a lil harder but then players would cry at having to use strats and good builds to clear things at that high.

[lament birch]

What’s that mask?

And neat KSG ya got there, buddy

[subtle bluff]

KSG only 2nd best.

[lament birch]

2nd-? The first being?

[subtle bluff]

Without clicking back idk. I’m mobile now.

You seem to know some stuff I thought you’d know.

[frank cloak]

resrarting on my pc wondering if there any reccomend builds? i ran striker for dps b4 but looking for a lil bit more survivability with damage

[subtle bluff]

HB and HF

[lament birch]

I’m not the brightest bulb in the batch admittedly

[subtle bluff]

Then I’d recommend not trying to at like one as much.
M870 is the high dmg shotgun

You do a lot of assumption and you know what they say about assumptions.

[lament birch]

That’s one of my best rolled shotguns

I enjoy how punchy it is

[scenic whale]

Oh yeah Chow any succes with BSweet on an HSD set up

[subtle bluff]

Need to get one.. I haven’t played too much this season yet

[scenic whale]

ah, mb since we talked about it i thought you had it.

[subtle bluff]

No worries. Trust I’ll be messing with it once I get it.

[tardy nacelle]

Whats a good EB build, is it just a normal striker build with overdogs?

[subtle bluff]

EB to me is a noob trap.

When any high rpm weapon with killer can out dmg it…

[tardy nacelle]

Understandable wanted to use it a bit cause I got it and I wanted it, its a decent pvp weapon otherwise right? or no

[subtle bluff]

It’s alright you have to hit your HSD but then if you can BH meta is better.

[lament birch]

Not to mention that EB can potentially down you once the buff goes away

[dreamy dawn]

looking for advice on a good explosives build?

[solar sable]

check the Spreadsheet

[strong cave]

Immediately swap weapons when you want to back out. Just make sure you do it very early on

I very rarely if ever have that issue

[regal lagoon]

I have been playing the game so far enjoying myself.. then someone told me that i need to focus on my builds.. but everything seems complicated with all the little things.. how do you know if your build makes sense?

[meager fog]

Synergy.

Everything works because something else on the build makes it work.

Check the pinned buikd guide and read up on the theory behind them.

[astral kraken]

Start with a list like this:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nOwUSECa-1iLhET-mW04u6oMBdIdMjFjB2Ie25ziEA/edit?usp=sharing

Copy a few builds that look interesting to you. That'll set you up for farming and doing some Heroic content.

If you want to learn the inner workings of a build then the best thing to do IMO is learn the damage formula. Once you understand the damage formula all of the weapon damage builds will make sense to you:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zsb60ue6yKbcJctD8FQEAOAUxcyg5Cot1fuPQQD3xj4/edit?usp=sharing

Then you can just ask here if you have specific questions like: "why does this build have X?" or "why not use Y instead?"

It helps to ask b/c some things in the game aren't explained well. For example the Striker description (total weapon damage) is wrong and you wouldn't know it unless you test it or someone tells you.

[meager fog]

Examples of poor build synergy that we commonly see:

Stacking Crit damage with low crit chance.

Using more pieces of a gear set than necessary to get the top bonus.

Using talents that have poor or no uptime because you don't meet the requirements enough.

Using an uneccessary exotic just because it's red

Those are just some of the common ones

[tidal swan]

meanwhile reggie HHF is the build I pretty much exclusively use for open world 😄

[astral kraken]

And using the ninja bag

[regal lagoon]

Thank you guys.. i'll check all the resources!
@meager fog @astral kraken

[meager fog]

And this one. We LOATH this one

[tidal swan]

don't you dare talk smack about my favorite pvp backpack 😤

[meager fog]

Keep it.

Should be a DZ or Raid exclusive then less people would fall for it lol

[tidal swan]

😄 it's actually a pretty good bag for many many conflict builds. I wouldn't use it in pve tho.

[strong cave]

I mean honestly you can use a ninjabike bag build depending how you set it up. Mine uses 3 piece hotshot, chainkiller, and a Habsburg holster. Everything HSD + Handling where you can. 2 blues (ninja + Habsburg) the rest all red. Works perfect for solo. When in groups I'll swap to 4 piece hotshot and airaldi bag Vigi w/ chainkiller

But does it mean ninjabike is more optimal? In 99.99% of cases, no. It doesn't.

[astral kraken]

Generally speaking I think experienced players lean toward this methodology:

1. Always recommend the optimal build for the type of build someone wants to run.
2. If the player wants to make changes after that, they're on their own.
3. Changes are fine because the starting point is optimal so it's clear what's being lost.

[paper lark]

what is a good regulus build...something that can 1 shot red bar enemies without any bonuses applied just yet..idk if Hunter's Fury or all Fox + Contractors + the gift + headhunter + punhdrunk..

[onyx sage]

high end with overdogs should do it for red bar tier 3

[subtle bluff]

Both work. The playstyle may not be easy.

[astral kraken]

I like this in groups for general play. Replace decoy with foam, emp sticky, revive hive, etc as needed.

[paper lark]

What is the technician for?

[astral kraken]

stronger shield mostly. it also improves the skills a little.

2.7m shield health vs 4.5m shield health at grade 30

oh and if you use foam you'll have +1 more ammo

[paper lark]

Oooooh understood, that actually sounds useful, i appreciate it~!

[astral kraken]

i'm so happy people are getting regulus. most fun weapon in the game imo.

eb is 🤡 tier compared to it

[solar sable]

determined, sir?

[astral kraken]

sir I cannot aim

i play with guitar hero controller

[onyx sage]

i love determined. makes the game so much more enjoyable

[subtle bluff]

But mr.tank you have a that blinding laser pointer

[surreal stream]

Is there an optimal order to put the watch points into for each section? like given general meta I'd assume CHC first for offensive

[solar sable]

I went with CHC, Weapon DMG, Hazpro, Total Armor (does nothing), Skill Haste, Skill Duration, Stability and Reload Speed
Order doesn't matter as you'll hit 1k in no time, but those are great to have from the start

[surreal stream]

based on total armor doing nothing I've assumed total health does nothing and dumped the rest of my points into explosive resistance after mazing out hazpro

[solar sable]

it's just a little bonus that does almost nothing imo

[surreal stream]

10% chc feels like the most impactful on instinct

[lament reef]

yeah that frees up about 1.5 mod slots/armor substats for CHD

[gentle lichen]

Ermm ackshually it's 1.67

[solar sable]

shut up

[thick meteor]

is the lexington better than the St Elmos for a strikerbuild?

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.
It depends on the content and what you're trying to do.

[thick meteor]

uhh, well i'm just trying out grinding for krampus, and luckily I got a lexington, just going on challenging, maybe a heroic here or there, and do the HVT missions

[solar sable]

I found Scorpio useful for normal difficulty Krampus cheesing

[astral kraken]

either are fine for what you're trying to do

[restive python]

Wicked or Bloodsucker when building an OD Ridgeway's Pride build?

[solar sable]

OD chest is a must, why ridge?

[restive python]

Extra source of bleed and armor repair? Although, admittedly, the repair part doesn't come into play often

[solar sable]

extra source of bleed is just unnecessary if you already got hollow point + sadist, and the repair... if you can kill things before they even get a chance, why bother?

[restive python]

And also losing a slot. Ridgeway got both CHC and CHD, while OD chest is either without the extra mod slot

[solar sable]

you're losing this with Ridgeway's

ridgeway's doesn't buff dmg to bleeding enemies, and OD chest gives you that dmg "boost"

[restive python]

Ok, swap Ridgeway for Tinkerer?

[solar sable]

yes, that's the meta as they like to call it

[restive python]

But back to the original question

[round zinc]

what type of damage buff does concentrated company grant?

[onyx sage]

awd and crit

[round zinc]

AWD is just base damage buff right

i remember there being additive, amplified and total WD

[hexed steppe]

just wd, yeah. particularly useful for pesti tho

[kind epoch]

Is tinkerer even farmable right now?

Oh shoot nvm. I remember asking

Gotta complete certain tasks iirc from what I was told

[hazy steeple]

@kind epoch Just finish the Manager Manhunt on Master and you get a 100% drop for it.

go to "potomac event centre" and run the Manager climax mission on whatever difficulty you can to unlock Master difficulty, then run it again on that and enjoy!

[restive python]

Well, yes, but sadist needs 4 kills to activate and get the buff running

[kind epoch]

I barely survive challenger 😂 master is a realm away

[solar sable]

... okay? but hollow point ammo already applies bleed, that's what I've been trying to say

[restive python]

You only get HP ammo when you get a mark on the enemy, and the enemy only gets a mark when they got status effect, aka bleed

[solar sable]

no...

[hazy steeple]

Just a reminder that OD's ammo only requires a status effect+kill to reload your stock of bleed bullets, which does not have to be bleed.
So a quick foam-chem will do the trick.

Most folks tend to use the Gunner Banshee Pulse.

[solar sable]

not just foam, jammer pulse applies disorient or disrupt whatever it is

[hazy steeple]

Yep, that's why I said "a status effect".

[solar sable]

bleed isn't the only status effect in the game

[restive python]

Right, pulse counts

[cosmic wing]

Does strikers affect pestilence tick damage?

[solar sable]

no it doesnt

[strong cave]

Uh... Pulse isn't a status effect

[hazy steeple]

What the Banshee Pulse applies does count, since it's a disorient or something.

[strong cave]

Disorient/Confusion. Most people would assume scanner pulse in this case

[strong cave]

Pretty sure, yes

[hazy steeple]

Only one person mentioned pulse without specifying what type, and that was without context, so I think we're good.

@strong cave The bonus damage from strikers stacks does not apply to the Pesti stacks.

[strong cave]

Damn rip. Figured it didn't work in that way

[hazy steeple]

A lot of folks assume it'll work, but if all else fails: Raucey's Striker guide.

[strong cave]

I could be misremembering it for Lengmo

[restive python]

Bruhhhh, then we circle right back

[cosmic wing]

Why doesn’t it apply when it increases weapon damage?

[strong cave]

Well, striker's talent is actually incorrectly worded

[cosmic wing]

Is it cause it is amp instead of weapon damage

[strong cave]

Lemme find iKia's document

[strong cave]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zmMtU8JWUXNIObhxst__CYguFgfZ1288mPodyqs2LTE

[native plume]

I cannot tell if im lucky or unlucky.

😭

[solar sable]

Scanner Pulse isnt a status effect

jammer and banshee APPLY a status effect, which counts for OD marks and therefore, hollow point ammo

do you get it now?

[woeful zodiac]

Is this good?

I'm not using Equalizer chest piece and Salvo holster

Stack Broken is at 378 rpm with 53 bullets/mag

[woeful zodiac]

Since Brazos and Ninjabike provide an extra skill tier, so it's 3 skill tiers with 2 armor cores, meaning I have a tier 5 crusader shield

[subtle bluff]

NBB nerf your whole build

[woeful zodiac]

I made this build based on a comment tho

[subtle bluff]

ACS12 isn't needed on that build

by who?

[woeful zodiac]

It was from a video

I don't remember which

[subtle bluff]

YouTube?

Ya 75% of those are jsut bad

[solar sable]

that gives kvd vibes

[woeful zodiac]

It did mention it was "meme build"

[subtle bluff]

No because you didn't give context

[hexed steppe]

someone needs to circle back and read some talents again

[onyx sage]

do you expect people to say meme builds are good

[hexed steppe]

ofc

[woeful zodiac]

No

But somehow it works better than my previous HF ouroboros build

[onyx sage]

well you asked "is it good" and got the corresponding answer so i don't see any need for further elaboration

[restive python]

What rifle is meta rn? And has there been an option to turn off the full auto shooting on them?

[subtle bluff]

DPS meta for RIfles is OD

[restive python]

The gun itself, not the build

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the build?

[solar sable]

and the guide says any rifle fits so... choose whichever you like

[solar sable]

what build?

[subtle bluff]

The only context we have to your question is Rifle meta...

[meager fog]

Guns fit the build, not the other way around. You don't build around a gun

For example, 1886 is great for one shot builds but lacks the magazine for OD

[stuck geode]

Anyone know of a shotgun build that can 1 shots in PvP even with 2.2m armor?

Ran into someone just 1 tapping everyone with a shotty somehow

[subtle bluff]

#td2-pvp-discussions It depends on a few things

[stuck geode]

Like what? He had blues on as well in conflict

[solar sable]

pvp stuff goes here #td2-pvp-discussions

[stuck geode]

Should make the channel pve build advice only then.

[hexed steppe]

pve and pvp builds are able to be discussed here. not sure why there is a hard distinction being made. granted youll get more exposure to other pvp player opinions in the pvp channel, but youve prefaced your question to indicate pvp focus. someone responding should be giving pvp advice or maybe just letting the question sit till someone with more pvp experience comes along to give advice. that all being said there is a section in the pinned sheet with pvp builds that may be helpful.

[onyx sage]

well it's more like pvp and pve builds are so different

[solar sable]

yeah, anything is welcome, we were just trying to get them to a channel that has the most active pvp players, we were never trying to be mean or anything, just to clarify

[urban jay]

Guys
Tips for builds for ouroboros?

[solar sable]

memento* strikers with soko chesk I think?
maybe HF too

[thick meteor]

Any tips for my striker coyotes mask build? I'm running a turmoil, and striker chest with stack broker and st Elmo's

[meager fog]

Striker chest isn't good outside of Lego or Master because the enemies can't take enough shots to keep it stacked and the stacks decay too fast.

Ceska Obliterate chest, or Equaliser with perfect Obliterate.

Overdogs gloves beat Coyotes mask

[subtle bluff]

You're nerf you're TTK on a single target then your striker chest isn't great unless you're at above 150 stack vs obli chest.

[meager fog]

I don't personally recommend using Turmoil outside of builds that deal huge damage anyway. Although I have put some more time with them recently and they are ok for most missions where enemies can't spread too far

I don't really like them in open world just because enemies can sometimes spread and that can lead to you getting surrounded and overwhelmed

[thick meteor]

I don't got od yet, best way to grind for them?

[meager fog]

Retaliations for the crafting blueprint

[thick meteor]

Alr thx brother

[astral wigeon]

Can I join you brother I’m new to game and have nobody to play with

[thick meteor]

I don't have PS+ so I can't go online or add anyone to geoup

[meager fog]

#lfg-playstation

[hazy steeple]

^That too, but also make sure you join a clan as soon as you can, to find a regular player-base, you can just leave it if it's not a good fit.
#td2-clan-recruitment is the place to look.

[tacit aurora]

Anyone happen to know how burn damage works in regard to status effects?
Was going to try a build focusing on burn dmg that uses Ortiz and Eclipse with the Ninja for the 3 and 4 set bonuses respectively.
Is this a silly idea? Eg.
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KwFgtAjATGAMeQMwPql62wFzGOiSSm6MxqWIy0+VsyZGGW11Dbj5iAHJKR-2xwFWA0ZmYA2CQgCcfdpx54u4BSmawYyEPN4xo9JgHZmYuFii62QA

[meager fog]

There is a full guide to EP burn in the pinnes build guide.

Ortiz is garbo, as is Ninjabike backpack

[subtle bluff]

Fire 🔥 🔥 🔥

[subtle bluff]

If you're curious to see what a real fire build would do you can search my name for a video and EP you'll find it.

[subtle bluff]

Posting without context?

[alpine spear]

Finally finished optimizing all gears

oops

[hybrid hatch]

Well, my experiment to see if the new gearset was viable with half yellow corse has answered a big NO 🤣😭

Frankly I can’t think of a reason to use it

[subtle bluff]

Pesti. It's the meta for it.

[subtle bluff]

I've seen people talk about caps and yellow coco for some weird reason.
Yellow strikers are already a thing..

[hybrid hatch]

Well, it actually works pretty great after you kill like 10 enemies first lol

But that’s kind of too long

Especially when solo

Which is usually how I play

[subtle bluff]

But why would you do it.... Yellows for a DPS build period?

Tbh not to be rude. Why did you think yellow coco would make a DPS capa build better?

[hybrid hatch]

Cause it stacks for every skill that attacks it idk

[strong cave]

I would've went yellow strikers and did drone/turret setup and build capacitor around CHC and my skills as skill damage

[subtle bluff]

And why would Skill Teir make that better?

[strong cave]

Glass cannon ceska chest, combined arms wyvern backpack second

[subtle bluff]

You're already getting that Skill Dmg normally with capa.

[hybrid hatch]

I dunno. Just wanted to try it cause otherwise it’s just another boring af straight dps set

[strong cave]

Skill builds just suck in general

[hybrid hatch]

Already like 5 million of those

[subtle bluff]

DPS wise

[subtle bluff]

Uh huh...

[strong cave]

Even with a DPS set like coco vs striker in this case, doing a yellow striker build would benefit you pretty well VS yellow coco

I sometimes run my yellow striker thru countdown even against the hunters (I break skills before they hack and I pay attention to them). Works okay in some heroic groups

[hybrid hatch]

Anyway, whatever it was a fun experiment. Gave me something to work on lol

[subtle bluff]

I mean yes and no. Here the thing a Skill Teir for drone/turret is only worth around 15 skill dmg.

[subtle bluff]

Try Chameleon HF

[hybrid hatch]

Hf?

[strong cave]

That's not far off what I was gonna say. Do Ceska + Fenris and have the talents be oblit + unstoppable force. Then use Strega with hunters fury

It's honestly not awful once you get used to it. It's kinda fun

[subtle bluff]

You don't have a 5 million DPS builds?

[hybrid hatch]

What

[subtle bluff]

Yeah I want to get all UA pieces first.

[hybrid hatch]

Oh hunter fury

[subtle bluff]

Idk what did this mean?

[hybrid hatch]

It’s called an exaggeration my dude

I already have a hunter’s furry …I use it sometimes when i feel like it

[subtle bluff]

Like I said try it with Chameleon

[hybrid hatch]

Alright ill see what happens

[subtle bluff]

I'd post a show case video but I can't.

[hybrid hatch]

I started using cham again as my secondary for tipping scales

[hybrid hatch]

Yeah, always annoys me we can’t post clips anywhere here. It’s a video game…sometimes you need to show things in action! 😂

[subtle bluff]

I have some stuff saved to be able to share. Just lazy to do all of them.

[astral kraken]

Chameleon HF Lincoln run:
https://youtu.be/2mPJ6m3m0Ws?si=pkeCA4ddTjLyjV_9

[subtle bluff]

Above. If you're curious.

[strong cave]

Yeah we aren't allowed to post our own video links because it would fall under "self promo". But others can post our video links. Having clips directly uploaded is a different workaround to the rule

[subtle bluff]

I wonder if I didn't think about forwarding them and uploading each one how would the server handle all that at some point? 🤔

[meager fog]

You can, as long as its not promo to your youtube etc

[sour shale]

hello i'm a new player (started with mutiny release) currently this is the only build i have , striker 4 pieces-unit alloy 2 pieces, named chest with "perfect obliterate" and named holster. main weapon lexington with "killer" and i swap between that and st.elmo engine with a stack broker shotgun as secondary to get striker stacks faster, any tip to improve my build/how to get better mods and high rolls on my gear to raise the crit rate/crit damage? thank you!

[tropic burrow]

Hi guys any new meta?

[astral kraken]

Your build is better than what most people run. Well done. Now you just need to farm a little to optimize your gear and get max roll mods.

Look for Overdogs gloves. Replace your gloves with Overdogs and your holster for Striker. That'll give you a nice damage boost. There are other variants of Striker that do more damage but what you have now is great.

If you can change the talent on your shotgun then fast hands is nice if you just need it for building stacks.

[astral kraken]

Also try out the Gunner specialization. It gives 10% armor on kill and some other boosts that'll help your build.

Oh and maxing out your watch will help a lot.

But the build you have now is pretty much the best thing you can run if you're not running glass cannon and overdogs.

[subtle bluff]

Also you don't need an acs12 as your 2nd. An SMG can suit you better.

Also stop exp your armor. Only for main weapons.

[astral kraken]

Yea SMG with unwavering is a much better secondary. SMG-9 or Vector 9mm.

[sour shale]

@astral kraken thank you for the infos! i changed talent on my shotgun with fast hands as you suggested cause yeah i only use it to build stacks,working on unlocking the gunner specialization but i slowed down because the Christmas event came out so i'm farming some keys for gear and fashion aha ,also, good to know that i have a good build to start with! i'm pretty squishy like this but as long as i dont just "hold w" is all good

[sour shale]

i was exp my armor to have a little more defense since im running only red cores x.x

[astral kraken]

Next step is glass cannon with no shield 🙂 Big damage boost once you learn how to stay alive.

[sour shale]

i will look for a good smg also

thank you for the help guys :D

[astral kraken]

@sour shale Some inspiration for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_YYCh3_HkU

[sour shale]

i have it saved in my library lol but i will try it later on once as you said, i need to learn how to stay alive aha

[sour shale]

wait a second lol

there is an higher rarity of gear above "green" ?

[subtle bluff]

It helps very very Lil. Save your mats you'll need them later.

[sour shale]

gotcha! i will save my materials

[subtle bluff]

You can spend on your main used DPS weapons.

[sour shale]

i mostly use my lexington since i got it from the event and sometimes i sawp it for st.elmo engine for crowd control in countdown if the damage is low-ish

but i understand, will only exp my main weapons from now on!

[sour shale]

nvm i looked it up and is just a colorblind setting lol mb xD

[torn cliff]

Heya, new to the game here, been playing about 50~ hours and hear the Lexington is good

Was just wondering its utility for builds over something like Elmo’s or the huntsman?

[astral kraken]

the color blind setting adds some extra visuals to the game, thats why a lot of people use it

for example it'll show your hive radius

[sour shale]

i understand! i will try it out

[subtle bluff]

Lex is strong because it is better at doing high Burst DPS than Elmo and Huntsman.

[torn cliff]

Is it the archetype or the talent or both? Just trying to understand for future build ideas etc

[subtle bluff]

Elmo talent is fixed.
Lex isn't. Killer for instance is one of the strongest talents.

I don't know what you mean by archetype

[astral kraken]

It's just the stats. Lexi has more base damage, smaller mag, and slower reload. But the higher base damage and choice of talent = more burst damage as chow said. Elmo has lower base damage but a larger mag and a faster reload.

Once you understand the tradeoffs it just comes down to preference. People that like high burst damage will go with lexington since thats what it's good at (and most of this game benefits from burst damage).

[torn cliff]

The weapon itself (like m4 vs famas etc)

Tho how do you get killer on the lex? Doesn’t it roll with eyeless?

Or am I missing something

[subtle bluff]

Oh weapon type.

[subtle bluff]

Reconfiguring which you need to have a library for.

[torn cliff]

Ohhhhhhh gotcha

That’s makes sense lol

[subtle bluff]

This is explained in pinned messages in #ask-td2-community

[meager fog]

Lexington can "drop" with any talent.

Its named "talent" is that it has innate 3% damage boost over the base M4

[torn cliff]

I see, weird

[meager fog]

Named items all have some form of boosted talent, boosted attribute or unique attribute.

Salvo holster, for example, has a unique 5% rate of fire attribute that can't be changed.

Equaliser chest has a perfect talent, Perfect Obliterate, which can't be changed

Its normally denoted with yellow font

[torn cliff]

I thought named guns had perfect talents? The one I got from the Christmas box has perfect eyeless (to memory)

[meager fog]

As I said some of them do, others have different unique attribut3s

[frozen hull]

Not all of them have perfect talents

[torn cliff]

Huh

Thanks for the clarification, I got very tripped up by this lol

[frozen hull]

Your Lexington can drop with any talent hopefully you can reconfigure it to which ever one you desire

[meager fog]

Lexington and White death do not have perfect talents. Lexington has +3% damage and White death has +137% headshot damage (a 20% boost on other MMRs)

[torn cliff]

Ohhhhh that’s unfortunate

[frozen hull]

Why unfortunate ?

[meager fog]

Not really, it makes both of them better

[torn cliff]

I scrapped my white death for the library…..

[frozen hull]

Eh those drop like candy in countdown using targeted loot

[meager fog]

Ah, its easy to find. Iirc it has a high drop chance from Tidal Basin completion

[torn cliff]

That’s good

[frozen hull]

Didn’t even know this nice to know

[subtle bluff]

Did it have DTTooC on it?

[meager fog]

Don't quote me but Ivr had loads of them from there lol

[torn cliff]

I don’t think so, I think it was for determined

[subtle bluff]

If not you didn’t lose out.

All weapons should have DTTooC on them.

[frozen hull]

I get that gun all the time haha so makes sense cause I mostly do the stronghold missions when farming the season

[frozen hull]

Determined is your talent he’s asking about if it had like crit damage or etc

[torn cliff]

I think it was crit chance? Was a few days ago

[frozen hull]

All good you’ll definitely get it again

[meager fog]

Crit chance was no good on it, needs Damage to target out of cover attribute.

Talent can then be freely changed (Determined is your friend)

[fluid sleet]

I have all System Corruption pieces and I want to do solo in the DZ as a beginner. Any suggestions for the build? Catharsis + Picaro?

I play 99% the time with AR and full DPS in PVE.

[strong cave]

Might work. Worth looking into

[strong cave]

Don't use sys in dz. Almost everything will outperform it

[torn cliff]

Cheers for the advice, will defs keep it in mind

[strong cave]

I'm a sys corr main and it's awful for most scenarios

[subtle bluff]

I mean I do that now forward all of them. But if I didn’t I’d be curious since there all like 400mb and I spam them like 2 or 3 times a day how much storage would that effect a discord server.

[fluid sleet]

Yeah I was wondering why people say its the best brand yet nobody use it in DZ

[subtle bluff]

No one does… that actually knows what their doing.

[meager fog]

I've literally never heard a single person say it's even remotely usable, let alone the best lol

[fluid sleet]

Well I’ll listen the pro then thanks 🤘

[meager fog]

@strong cave he's talking to you

[strong cave]

I thought I was the nub 😭😂

[strong cave]

It's probably the rarest brand. BEST brand is massive reach for a title. If you DO build sys Corr, build it in favor of SMGs. Coyote mask, Soko chest Unbreakable, 4 piece sys corr. Usually 4 armor cores + 2 red cores is perfect. With enough expertise, you can go 3 reds and 3 blues. Ouroboros will be the main gun you use. Everything will be rolled to CHD/CHC so if you know how to manage that, the build can work

If you plan to use it as an AR set, same setup but swap Soko chest to Ceska

Take 1 pulse res mod for 100% pulse resistance as well. Your CHC / CHD for ar's should be around 57% CHC and about 120 / 150 CHD. SMGs should be about 59% CHC and about 145 CHD

If you plan on farming landmarks, memento and soko chest intimidate works well for it too. All sys pieces rolled for armor + CHD

[frozen hull]

Does the set drop only in the dark zone ? I’d like to get it just so I can level it to 10 cause I don’t like wasting resources to do that

[fluid sleet]

Thanks a lot!

I’ll try it now then compare with other builds for sure and yes I first built one with the Backfire + Hazard but the bleed isn’t great and I forgot I would lose the 40% Hazard from the modifier in the DZ 😬

I’ll try the Ouroboros now - I just reached 30 of expertise few days ago so I want to focus on PVP

[brave laurel]

Should I stick with headshot or go for DTOC?

[strong cave]

It drops from Conflict caches, Legacy Caches (available during global events or season pass premium), Season 1 caches (currently unobtainable), DZ Proficiency caches, and Conflict Rewards/DZ loot drops

[frozen hull]

Imma just have to start going into the dz

[strong cave]

With sys, it's best as a 1v1 build and not so good at multiple fights. Use it in specific cases, like say somebody abusing heartbreaker or pulse. It can win against umbra but the win only happens when you hit the element of surprise

Heartbreaker/pulse builds would simply be due to being 100% pulse resistant with one 10% pulse resistance mod

[strong cave]

Wait until global events. Spend stars on legacy caches. A couple hundred stars, say 120, can buy you 10 of them. It's hard to obtain sys Corr but not dramatically hard as people say it is

[frozen hull]

Does the other set drop in those too

That yahl one or what eber it’s called

Reason I ask is I’ve never seen it

[strong cave]

Yes. It also occasionally goes on sale at the clan vendor. I also know how to craft Yaahl without needing Yaahl materials. It's a fairly quiet method not many know about. Requires leveling a character from 30 to 40 and don't upgrade the bench to gold/high end. Buy account shared blueprints and materials and craft purple Yaahl. Decon what you craft. It'll give you Yaahl materials back

[subtle bluff]

Always DTTooC

[strong cave]

You can then swap to your other character with a High-End/Gold crafting bench and craft high end Yaahl. Very quiet method I haven't seen many talk about

[brave laurel]

Thanks

[frozen hull]

Oh wait do you buy the blueprints from the vendor ?

[strong cave]

Account blueprints + shared resources blueprint

[foggy imp]

Is the exotic beacon chest piece pretty much only viable for coop? Or is there a way to make it work solo

[strong cave]

co-op piece. its not worth taking as a solo at all

[silent storm]

You know I have been playing Heroic 4 Directives and it made me realize that not having Skill Duration as a rollable Attribute is just another way Skill Builds are worse than DPS builds. Red and Blue get 4 rollable Attributes and Yellow only gets 3. That's unfortunate

[hazy steeple]

Most red builds don't really work if you just roll any red attribute in the 1-2 available slots, depending if they're gearset or gold gear.

So reds having 4 is the same as skills having status as one of theirs: the choice is vastly different depending on your build.

[hexed steppe]

You would never need duration outside of oxi

[silent storm]

The point is that when running with Scavenged Skills, Skill Haste is a wasted slot basically. So being able to roll my Skill Haste to Duration would be nice

[hexed steppe]

Roll the haste to crit and benefit your capacitor .

[silent storm]

Good point

[hazy steeple]

If you're running Scavenged Skills: just use an all red setup and don't rely on your shield too much.
My personal choice is an OD, since if you're smart, you'll only need 1 skill to keep the ammo self sustaining.

As an Agent of the division: it's your whole deal to adapt to the environment. Let's see those loadout slots!

[silent storm]

My loadouts are a mess lol

[hazy steeple]

No better time to fix them than the next time you're logged on.
Just copy some varying builds from the spreadsheet, then keep a few free for weird testing.

[hexed steppe]

You know, depending on the build you can use a brand to get some extra duration. Its why i use 3x wyvern on my oxi setup.
What's the actual build tho?

[silent storm]

Turret Drone Refactor

[silent storm]

Oh man so f-n close ><

[alpine spear]

That's cool, I usually use the Force Multiplier backpack and waveform holster based on that build.

[hexed steppe]

oh yeah, there not a lot of room for other brands then. the only change i would make is force multiplier for the extra 5% amp(aka single source tsd)

[worn imp]

It would be usable but not optimal if it had CHC instead of CHD as the single red attribute

[silent storm]

WW vs. Force is not much of a difference and no need of the Skill Haste because of Scavenged Skills

[hexed steppe]

its not about the brand... you use sacrifice for the same purpose

is hsd really useful?

[silent storm]

It's not not useful

And the Sacrifice is all DMG so worth it

[hexed steppe]

its the exact same improvement as force multiplier would be

[silent storm]

If Perfect Combined Arms was all DMG then yeah, but missin 5% AMp isn't as big because of the +8% Skill

[hexed steppe]

the sd on ww is also stacked with every source of sd

its not huge... but thats my input on it. it works now well so its more just minor improvement in the end

[hexed steppe]

7k dmg difference: force multiplier > ww CA, but yeah, really minor improvement and i wouldnt change for just that

[silent storm]

Well I do use FM when running missions because Skill Haste matters a little bit there, specially in Legend and Master

[native plume]

Is there any other stats has a cap like 60% CHC?

[silent storm]

I don't believe so, just once you get to a certain point other Attributes are better

[hexed steppe]

PFE, 80% iirc

[silent storm]

I'll be honest I didn't even think it was possible to get that high on PFE

I guess with the improvised gear you could do it but, why?

[versed summit]

well tanking elites for one. generally you don't need PFE, and especially that much, but for IH boss 4 you want a PFE tank. it's just BiS there.

PFE striker's are overrated, but not bad for specific scenarios.

[worn imp]

For a striker build running and LMG with killer, could it be a better idea to run equalizer chest instead of a ceska to compensate for slower striker stacks gain from the lower RPM of a LMG compared to something crazy fast like a vector or SMG-9?

[surreal stream]

Are there any reasonable modifications I could make to the striker build to keep my Emotional Support Seeker Mine™

[hazy steeple]

If you don't need the Reviver Hive, you have a free skill slot.

and/or if you don't use the shield, I guess.

[silent storm]

Shield is a crutch

Seekers get targets out of cover

But why don't Strikers use the Striker Drone?

It raises your DPS by like .01% just for pushing E

[hexed steppe]

gunner pulse and emp sticky outclass most skills on dps

[silent storm]

Are these supposed to be loadouts?

I've gotten some pretty bad ones but this one is just crazy dumb lol

[strong cave]

pvp loadout, not a very good one at that

[solar sable]

it's missing nbb for extra fashion

[dreamy valve]

I never complain about more deconstruction material

[tidal swan]

idk if it's supposed to be a loadout, but those individual named pieces are really good in may builds depending on their rolls.

[kind epoch]

How do you utilize gunner pulse? I tried it a couple of times but I feel like I waste it every time. How long do you press the button for before activating?

[frozen hull]

Hold it down as long as you need to I think the longer you do the smaller the cone size gets but the further it goes

Just make sure the enemies you want to hit are in the cone

It should highlight for you to show you how here it’s at

[subtle bluff]

Above

I love Bansheee pulse

[frozen hull]

I also have a question about it what are the best mods for it I just put in duration and cone size. Or radius I can’t remember

[subtle bluff]

Tbh idk I know I have a duration and maybe cone?

[frozen hull]

I honestly see no difference in the duration when I put the mod in and don’t haha which is why I wondered haha

[subtle bluff]

I haven’t looked at them forever. They work is all I care about! Haha

[frozen hull]

Yeah I just always wonder about the mods on the skills cause a lot do times they aren’t listed when I see builds

Of *

[subtle bluff]

Build guides?

[frozen hull]

Yeah unless I just miss it on the guides a lot of times I don’t see what mods they use in the skills

[subtle bluff]

I’ll be honest for me and guides I update it’s effort I just don’t have to explain. 😐

[astral kraken]

Most skill mods have only one good choice anyway

And it's really obvious what it is

The only non obvious one I can think of is using active regen instead of health on a shield

[subtle bluff]

in my WIP “Building DPS builds for Dummies” I’ll go over it.

[silent storm]

That depends on build

[frozen hull]

Between health or active regen?

I’ve always thought active regen was the best choice

Especially if you have blue cores

[silent storm]

There are more skills than Shield and reviver hive

[frozen hull]

Oh yeah I know that .. we were talking about mods for stuff specifically

[silent storm]

Cone Size on Banshee

You can test it by maxing banshee pulse and comparing the final size

[kind epoch]

Tried that. Unless it’s because they’re too scattered at CP. used it for the bounty; that one kinda worked. Also used it for an ambush. But this was only on normal so that I could test it out to see how it works

[silent storm]

When you hold the button down there will be an arc that goes out from you. As enemies get into range they will be highlighted and the cone will continue to close. So when you use it you need to be close enough to get the enemies and the longer you hold it the further and more directed it will be. Never tested if it becomes stronger the longer you hold it but it doesn't matter because once you pop it anything caught in it should be dead quickly.

[subtle bluff]

Do you see my small issue with you when sometimes you're trying to help. Context. If you don't worry about it I just wanted highlight it here.

[silent storm]

cool

[silent storm]

Banshee Pulse will also work through most obstructions, some it doesn't but you need to use it to figure out what ones. It will also work multi level if the cone is high enough and far enough to reach the enemy. The best way to figure it out is to use it and practice it.

Think of it as a concentrated sound wave

[echo light]

Hello there can someone do support spec?

[kind epoch]

I had that assumption and wanted to try it thinking it would just melt crowd in a couple of seconds but nope LOL. There were three stragglers. I have near max stats on all of my pieces but I’m still working on my 249

[silent storm]

How many Blue Cores do you equip?

[subtle bluff]

You asking about a support build?

[subtle bluff]

that comes in time just target prioritizing and positioning.

[foggy imp]

Does the tinkerer have better damage potential with frenzy and measured or are the overdog gloves still better

[subtle bluff]

Overdogs is 30% amp that's VERY hard to beat.
In your context what' is easier at keep it's Talents uptime with Frenzy or Overdogs.

[foggy imp]

I agree. Just was curious. Have been running overdogs with the new perfect obliterate chest and the added 5% Rof has been fun

[subtle bluff]

In my professional opinion about Tinkerer it's best slot is on OD Builds. Mainly for 2 of the best talents Sadist and Killer.

[astral kraken]

IMPO

[subtle bluff]

looked weird to type out

[astral kraken]

i like it

[subtle bluff]

I can mostly spell professional.

[kind epoch]

0. Full red lol DTTOOC, CHC, and CHD all the way

[kind epoch]

I try lining them up as much as possible but a good majority of the time I target lock because I don’t kill quick enough 😂😂

[subtle bluff]

Did you get your tinkerer yet?

[kind epoch]

No sir, I’m not good enough for master difficulty and I need to wait a while before unlocking more scout missions

[echo light]

Yes please i want to ve support in partY

[subtle bluff]

@astral kraken you wanna help this guy out?

[subtle bluff]

"part Y"?

[echo light]

@subtle bluff yep party /group

[subtle bluff]

Posted above

[kind epoch]

Let’s just say if I had all 12 scout missions accessible I would’ve gotten tinkerer by now

[subtle bluff]

uh?

[kind epoch]

What are other ways other than scout and the main mission?

[subtle bluff]

You can go just do it. You don't need to do scouts for it?

It's just a manhunt.

[cloud sluice]

With a x 5 XP next week what is a good build to run all directives? 🤔

[subtle bluff]

Hotshot

or OD

[meager fog]

You cant get tinkerer mask from any scout missions.

Its only available from the potomac manager manhunt mission...

Not to mention you cant even do the scouts for that manhunt anymore lol

[kind epoch]

Oooh so it’s from the actual mission, not a scout. Thats what I was confused with

[kind epoch]

Has to be masters though? I barely survive challengers 😂

[subtle bluff]

Master is 100% drop for your FTC

the is rest is lower.

[meager fog]

No, it drops on any difficulty. Its just guaranteed for first time finish on master.

1% normal, 3% hard, 5% challenging 7% heroic

[kind epoch]

I guess I’m grinding that mission then 😂 it’s in Potomac right?

[subtle bluff]

I can take you thru master

[kind epoch]

Lmk when 🙏 I just need to worry about not dying LOL

[hexed steppe]

its great to utilize when you are about to engage targets. most npc are fairly static before aggro'd so utilizing in those times means youll stagger a lot of the immediate threats in an area. its also great for shtf as long as you have a good ear for threats like outcast rushers looking for hugs. if you are lucky enough to have a teamate that overcharges you from time to time, that gunner pulse area of effect will be huge, like the entire area huge 😎

[surreal stream]

is Lucky as good of a talent for rifles as I want it to be?

[subtle bluff]

eh

[shy willow]

Nah

[kind epoch]

I’m still trying to figure out how it would work into my play style. I still like to get them from far due to my preferred sniper/long range style of play (but sometimes just not possible with CPs), but then OTOH if I am planning on rushing (like I do with this current bounty farm), I’ll go in with a strikers and oros setup but I’ll run out of my current mag before I kill everyone 😂😂

I’ve also tried shield gameplay but my shield breaks in seconds and I can’t aim for my life when shield is out 😂

So then when I’m seeing these players in CD just mowing these guys down like they’re nothing, I’m like how in the world? Meanwhile I’m down within a few bullets LOL

[strong cave]

Wait until you start hugging walls instead and dropping decoys

I barely if ever use a shield anymore

[kind epoch]

Hugging walls?

[strong cave]

You can position yourself just perfectly to allow your character to wrap bullets around a wall and you can't be shot in the process

[kind epoch]

…that’s a thing?

[strong cave]

Yes. It's how people run glass cannon with zero issues

There's also a health gate that prevents you from dying immediately

[kind epoch]

Is there like a demo video that shows this? I’m a full red player but this would come in clutch in several situations

[strong cave]

Go up to a right hand peek corner, go directly against the wall, and inch your way out until you can shoot

The goal is to stick out as little as possible. Sometimes you can fully shoot thru the wall. Depends on the angle

[kind epoch]

Does degree angle of view matter?

[strong cave]

Heavily

[kind epoch]

Because you can change angle of view in game settings right? Or is it mechanics alone?

[strong cave]

If you're talking about FOV, that doesn't quite matter. It's helpful to have it maxed out. But it's mechanics alone

[kind epoch]

I think I changed my fov degree of angle, not sure. I changed a mouse a few weeks ago on a square mousepad so the sensitivity is drastically different

I’ll have to try it out though

But how are people pummeling like they’re nothing in CD? Is it proficiency level? Or am I just not familiar with crit percentages mixed in with talent?

[onyx sage]

it's a thing in every third person hitscan game (which this one is one of)

[surreal stream]

so overall in general I'm feeling a lot weaker than I remember being 3 years ago. getting wrecked on normal when I remember being able to breeze through challenging by myself

did they make stuff harder, or does the fine optimization matter more, or does Chameleon actually suck and using it's dragging me down?

[astral kraken]

this is pretty common when coming back

i came back after a long break and was getting destroyed until i got my aim back and timing enemy animations

[onyx sage]

there is slight buffing on the enemies because the weapon base damage buffs the devs have been doing also affect the enemies, but most of the time you probably ran into difficult content, which are most likely content that hasn't been here when you were still playing

[surreal stream]

I'm working through the legacy manhunts on normal at the moment

[onyx sage]

also if for some reason you were trying to do incursion, even if it says "Normal" it is not the same Normal

yeah the newer legacy manhunts spam more elites

[surreal stream]

incursions are raid-difficulty right?

[onyx sage]

yeah, as in raid normal

[astral kraken]

raid legendary when

[onyx sage]

inb4 they merge chinese and global

[kind epoch]

It works coming from the left too right? Both sides? I switch ADS often

[onyx sage]

yes

if u use the shield it only lets you peek one side so that's a downside to consider too

[kind epoch]

i've only tested out shield twice; i thought it would help with super aggressive, run and gun but it wont help if i cant aim in 3rd person XD

[cloud sluice]

Ah ok, I already have a pretty good Hotshot build but have not tried Ongoing Directive yet, Thanks again 👍

[kind epoch]

Do you have to mount the wall? Or free movement?

[onyx sage]

the one he's talking about is free movement, but you can also do it via mounting too

[subtle bluff]

There's taking cover and using cover.

[astral kraken]

i call it pixel peeking

[kind epoch]

i tried. i can't get it to work 😂 i experimented with a cp3 and still got killed LOOOL

[plain oriole]

Does anybody have a 1 shot boss build they’d like to share for the paradise lost incursion?

[solar sable]

@subtle bluff knows incursion like no one else does (jk he just has hundreds of clears)

[subtle bluff]

x10 to that. aka too many.

[subtle bluff]

You cannot complete one shot either bosses.

It's basically Strikers all HSD, DCH and a Achilles.

[solar sable]

I was unsure about writing thousands lol idk why

[woeful zodiac]

Anyone have a good Regulus build?

[astral kraken]

Here you go:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NNLiB-SZH-LChI9gE18q-PdYGqHac4Gep9UQVUtg0as/edit?usp=sharing

Have fun 😄 Regulus is awesome.

[lofty frigate]

Wyvern Wear tech support vs Strategic Alignment
What's better for refactor artilery builds?

[subtle bluff]

there guide in the build hub

[shy bone]

Sorry for a noob question.. Is the Strega any good?

[meager fog]

Its eh.

It has a couple of issues. One being that it is severely crit starved.

The second being that the talent requires kills to stack, so doesnt work well in group play or low population areas or with lots of tanky enemies

[hazy steeple]

@shy bone Don't ever worry about asking newb questions, that's pretty much what this channel's whole deal is.

[meager fog]

The other issue is its low Magazine size compared to other ARs.

[shy bone]

Too bad! Love the look 🥲

[meager fog]

Its not useless by any means, but it will struggle at higher difficulties

[subtle bluff]

Prod has a HE build that works with it.

[rocky cape]

One build with eagle bearer?

[meager fog]

Pretty much anything that uses ARs. Although its not exactly a great weapon

[rocky cape]

What? I always thought it was the best weapon because it was so exclusive, what a bummer.

[thick meteor]

So, I'm running Lexington for my striker build, but which talent should I reroll for it? Since I have the one where if I reload from a dry mag 3 times I get more ammo

[rocky cape]

You've ruined my Christmas! Hahaha

[shy bone]

I pretty much only do world content on heroic by my own. Should be fine then?

[solar sable]

killer

[meager fog]

Killer for solo. Measured for group content

[thick meteor]

Thanks gang!

[meager fog]

It's not exclusive as much as it's just difficult to get normally since raids can only be run once per character per week and require a good team to complete.

[reef nova]

If I wanted to heal myself with a drone/seeker, should I spec into Repair Skills, Incoming Heals, or a mixture of both?

[versed summit]

Generally it won't be worthwhile, but the best way to do this is spec them both equally. They multiply with each other so you'll get the best results from having equal amounts of both. This generally isn't possible but ideally you would.

Something to think about as well is where you're getting either the repair skill or incoming repairs.

The mods are equal, but the brandsets are not and this can often offset what you'd take.

[woven moat]

Anybody know why Killer might not be procing? I just flipped it onto my lexington and have done a bunch of bounties and even took it to the range and it doesnt even proc once. Im at 58% CHC

[meager fog]

The killing hit has to be a critical hit

[woven moat]

Yep

[meager fog]

with bad RNG you might not get it to proc every time, but most times it will

[woven moat]

Yeah thats my point its not procing at all lol

[meager fog]

Try restarting the game never had it not proc for me

[woven moat]

Ah the classic turn it on and off again, will give it a go

[meager fog]

IT 101

[woven moat]

Fixed it of course, lol

[reef nova]

Brands?

[versed summit]

brandsets?

[reef nova]

Sets of brands?

[meager fog]

Brandsets are pieces you wear like Ceska, Grupo, Sokolov etc.

Gear sets are the sets with 4pc bonuses like Strikers, Ongoing Directive etc

[reef nova]

@versed summit
Why do you say it's not worthwhile?

[reef nova]

I know, I was just confused because I hadn't considered taking brands into account. 🤔
Was just using attributes and mods AtM.

[meager fog]

Well the drone has such a poor uptime it's really not worth using

[reef nova]

I tend to only use high-end gear if it's named, since I prefer funny builds over the usual DPS tech. 🤷‍♂️

@meager fog
Like duration? Or health?

[meager fog]

Both, Iirc it also lasts like 23 seconds

[reef nova]

Huh.
Mine lasts for like 2 minutes. 🤷‍♂️

[onyx sage]

most of the time what's actually saving you is the health gate mechanic, and enemies in the hardest content deal too much damage for you to take.

this is assuming that you still want to leave some room for your build to do damage, if you just want to hyperinvest into survivability then disregard this

[reef nova]

Well ideally I'd like to keep hitting that gate.

[meager fog]

It has a built in cooldown, so you can't keep hitting it

[reef nova]

Shucks.

[onyx sage]

well no you can't since it only reprocs once every 30s

the only thing that resets it is getting revived

[meager fog]

and in lego content, alot of enemies will health gate even the tankiest build in a few hits.

[versed summit]

tanking content is just useless, more damage is more benficial.

normal armor regen is just more worthwhile anyways.

[meager fog]

Memento is the only regen you need if you're solo. Plus you get the free tier 2 shield which also helps and you can have a blue core or two because the memento trophies replace the weapon damage lost.

[charred eagle]

Does perfect obliterate just roll on the unit alloy chest if I just farm for it or is there a different way to get the chest piece?

[onyx sage]

only that one

it's why it's a named item

[tidal swan]

You can get the blueprint for it from Reconstructed Caches. If you don't want to get that then targeted loot or season pass. Not sure if season pass only gives one random rolled tho :// Best to just get the blueprint imo.

[worn imp]

Is perfect frenzy an amp or addative to weapon damage?

[meager fog]

It's just additive weapon damage

[worn imp]

one more question. Ive heard many times and have it proven that health damage also includes the armor on chungas, and some robots. I need a list of all things that are health damage except for the obvious, enemies without shields

[meager fog]

Damage to armour specifically refers to the white bar above an enemies head. (Red enemies, Chunga and robots do not have this)

Damage to health applies to all health bars (after the white armour bar is depleted) and Chunga and Robotic armour plating.

That's part of the reason why ARs are so powerful

[onyx sage]

i'd rather just give you a rule. if you're shooting at an enemy and it shows the "shield" icon on top of their health bar, you are shooting at an armor plate. if not, you're shooting at armor or health

so if you shoot a chunga for example, right after your bullet lands you see the armor icon appear for a brief second, that is hitting armor plating

[worn imp]

I really dont like that this is the case... ARs should be on par damage wise with lmgs imo, if not slightly worse, so that one might choose to use whether to use and AR or LMG depending on how good of a handling they want. But since lmgs just dont generally do as much damage, i dont know that there would ever be any scenario where an LMG would generally be a better choice for a red build

[onyx sage]

lmgs generally have higher mag damage

[worn imp]

yeah but things dying fast is almost always > higher mag damage

[meager fog]

LMgs way outperform ARs is certain places. OD for example is better with LMGs than ARs, Tipping Scales again is better

[worn imp]

true, but if we are just talking non specific weapon type gear sets and such

[meager fog]

LMGs alos have higher Dttooc and it's innate,

They are roughly about even in terms of performance imo

[worn imp]

2%, a bit negligable. The only benefit to that is being able to run crit chance as 3rd attribute

[meager fog]

2% when dealing with damage in the millions is not negligible

Division 2 is all about fine mathematic margins

[worn imp]

yeah i suppose. Without any particular teammates' buffs, can you reach millions (plural) with an LMG?

[meager fog]

Yeah, with Tipping scales and the right set up you can hit 2m solo

Thats the thing about Division, small percentages can matter, if they're in the correct place.

[worn imp]

ye

[lament reef]

pestilence with the new concentrated company set can hit 2m on your ticks

[worn imp]

how often are the ticks? once every second?

[meager fog]

Yes, for context that's 120m DPM just on ticks lol

[worn imp]

yeah its nuts lol i know

[meager fog]

Damage per minute, not per second. Brain fart

[worn imp]

What is this illusive red Lengmo build stuff everyone talks about lol

[meager fog]

Lengmo double crit, it's unicorn gear.

You're asking the game to roll against the core attribute for perfect stats twice.

[worn imp]

Hey maybe lightning strikes twice hahahah

[hexed steppe]

option 3, force multiplier

[meager fog]

Nice piece, congrats

[worn imp]

hehe thanks I got it like 4 months ago from just spam crafting in white house

[meager fog]

Although ideally you want chainkiller for Perfect Headhunter

[worn imp]

eh... perfect HH overrated. I just want that sweet sweet 20% marksman dmg

theres never an instance where chainkiller is a dealbreaker for me hitting the 1-shot unless its like a shotgun headhunter thing

[charred eagle]

Reconstruction caches?

[charred eagle]

And I have unit alloy available to craft, could the named item randomly drop from that?

[honest moss]

Why perfect HH over reg HH? I thought there was no real difference so i figured the hads bonus would be better

It would appear to only stack HH damage faster to me not actually have more damage potential. But i use nemesis a lot more when sniping so perhaps i just don't notice it as often.

[tidal swan]

no... Reconstructed Caches are caches you can get either from Retaliation, by crafting the caches from the materials you get from Retaliation. Or you can buy them from the Descent vendor with NSA credits. Those caches drop named item blueprints.

[urban latch]

The difference that matters is as your building stacks, since once your at max stacks where a higher cap would matter your 1 tapping anyways. The only place it makes a difference is when your building stacks, so the faster stack building from perfect HH is better

[worn imp]

DPS wise, which setup would be better here (in the left image, imagine that the knees are actually Ongoing lol and imagine im using sadist on my LMG).

PS: im not using turmoil lol

@urban latch Would u happen to know? I know ur one of the major build makers on the spreadsheet so thought I'd ask

imagine i have all the dmg buffs from memento active

[urban latch]

Id go with the second. Your not going to be getting a ton of kills with it since OD is a group buffing build so memento isnt reallly ideal

[worn imp]

How about for solo play tho? isnt memento a good option then?

[urban latch]

OD isnt really a solo build

[worn imp]

Im gonna use both loadouts i think... im just curious which one will actually reach higher numbers.

[urban latch]

The whole point if running it is to buff teammates

[worn imp]

i just dislike to use strikers these days. OD just feels nice to use cause it doesnt require constant stacks upkeep

Do you know tho, which one would get me higher damage if we are counting all the memento dmg buffs?

[urban latch]

once you get memento completely maxed it will be close between the two, but thats in part because of the holster. If you went with tinkerer that would be stronger by a solid amount and from pretty much the jump at full power.

[onyx sage]

there's been like 0 instance where habs gets you to a higher breakpoint

[worn imp]

yeah but higher damage numbers are intrinsically funnier

[onyx sage]

yeah but that's not useful

it's just personal preference rather than something that affects gameplay

[worn imp]

fair enough. just out of curiosity... when does chainkiller give u breakpoint? any useful examples?

[grand girder]

do you already have the unicorns?

[worn imp]

u mean habsburg or lengmo?

[grand girder]

habs

lengmo is easier to get

[worn imp]

yea man got i ages ago hehe

[grand girder]

ahh then use away, its just not worth grinding for if you hadn't already got them

[worn imp]

whats the goated setup with habs anyway? I run this personally but thinking about changing things up:

[grand girder]

oh you want goated?

[worn imp]

sure

[grand girder]

probably a little something like this #td2-build-advice message

[worn imp]

wtf hahaha

[grand girder]

nah I usually just run both uni chest and bp with 4pc hotshot, can run 3pc hotshot if you wanna use turmoil

either way it slaps hard enough

[worn imp]

turmoil seems very counter intuitive for headhunter shenanigans... Is it because headhunter is so high damage already that it hits the one shot either way?

[grand girder]

once your full stacked it doesnt split the damage so you can 1shot 2 enemys

its just tedious to get started with so most people get the first 3 kills then hotswap in turmoils

[meager fog]

How can they be easier to get? Both require the same perfect 2x rolls against the core....

[subtle bluff]

The meta build for OD is posted in the guide.

Yes you can change it around but then it's not meta.

[worn imp]

Not looking for the meta build, friend

[subtle bluff]

Then that'd why you're having issues.

[worn imp]

I have seen it and it doesnt suit my playstyle. SImple as

[grand girder]

most use the named backpack which has a guaranteed talent

[worn imp]

Not having an issue per se, just wanted to check which setup gave the most DPS.

[grand girder]

if you're talking everything else then sure

[subtle bluff]

Which is what it's the guide.

[meager fog]

That doesn't make Perfect Habsburg harder to get than Perfect Lengmo. They're identical for unicorn pieces

[worn imp]

No dude, between the two options I gave.... Not what is overall the best. but out of the two setups i showed. Basically I wanna use either of the two exotics in those images, and I was looking for which setup of those 2 had the best burst DPS

[gentle lichen]

we still have pistolero directive no? its the basic counter for it if you want 5 directive gameplay

[versed summit]

Only for the chest though. Getting the backpack you need is easier. Its honestly pendantic though.

[grand girder]

backbone or whatever its called the named backpack for lengmo, has a guarenteed talent, so you only need to get lucky on the chc and chd, on habs backpack you need to get HSD WH and VIGI

[subtle bluff]

The reason OD is strong is because you do not need to stack to get to it's peak DPS. Once you've taken those parts off it's becomes half of what it's can do.

[grand girder]

which is why I said for everything else sure its the same

[subtle bluff]

Otherwise go to HB or Striker.

[worn imp]

What do you think I am trying to accomplish, Chow? The only caveat to the meta setup here in what im doing is not running Overdogs or Coyotes for peak DPS.

[subtle bluff]

I have a random backbone with HSD/WH... I forgot why I kept it. Lol

[tropic burrow]

What's the best tempest pistol build?

[grand girder]

probably memes, I've done the same with alot of rolls like that

[subtle bluff]

And those are neither of things I never said.

[solar sable]

should've asked the guy who was named after an automobile

[meager fog]

The Quickstep 😉

[worn imp]

ah right i forgot tinkerer is the meta for OD builds

anywho the point still stands that I want to use either memento or nimble as they massively complement the way I like to play the game while still being an efficient DPS dealer

[subtle bluff]

If you're looking for what build does more DPS. There's a DPS calculator in the pinned messages.

[strong cave]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[subtle bluff]

Did he make something new other than his striker, HH, or white death crap?

[solar sable]

I wonder if he also made Baker's Dozen any good

[subtle bluff]

That's someone else that's still here.

😵

[solar sable]

They seemed to... nvm
Anyhow! LMAO

[worn imp]

Can the DPS of caretaker compare to that of Lexi with killer?

[kind epoch]

Is the main strong point of tinkerer adding another talent onto the primary on top of sadist? And is it the reason it’s recommended over coyote mask?

[meager fog]

Caretaker can't even use it's DPS unless you put the barrel in their mouth, honestly.

[subtle bluff]

Lex is higher while being easier to handle.

[worn imp]

lol

[meager fog]

It's best in slot for OD because Weapon talents can be stacked and Sadist is unbelievably strong when every shot causes bleed.

[subtle bluff]

Passively easier uptime.

Is other cases. Both MG5's and MK246 with Sadist have higher DPS than lex.

[kind epoch]

I’ve managed to have both weapons with sadist and every other talent recommended for LMGs lol. I’m just waiting for tinkerer and farming materials to max the stats now

[subtle bluff]

Eh... It can do a lot solo.
I've figured out how to use on bot right of tanker now.

[subtle bluff]

Oh right. Let's get that done today. Anyone wanna come along in an hour?

[urban latch]

You know how the damage numbers compare to a high end build now? tbh I havent compared them in ages with all the new gear now, but Id assume highend is just better

[onyx sage]

not for first shot but for second shot

[worn imp]

Wait better compared to what? Do high end red builds work if they aren't unicorn lengmo??

[urban latch]

absolutely

[subtle bluff]

I have a DPS numbers in the guide but not comparing to HE builds. I need to quickly work on HE builds.
But I'm more than sure it does.

[worn imp]

i know how it works, im more so asking which enemies specifically does it typically give breakpoints for?

[urban latch]

OD > HE or HE > OD?

[onyx sage]

chungas or any enemy with high health, there's no specifics

[subtle bluff]

OD > HE

[frail shale]

OD? HE?

[kind epoch]

I can do it today but maybe tonight. It’s some Asian tradition thing today that has to do with fortune and luck (I think?) and I’ll be out of the house pretty much the whole day

[meager fog]

Sure, tag me when ready

[subtle bluff]

So tonight. I'll check if you're then.

[solar sable]

Ongoing Directive; High End.

[meager fog]

I'll run OD, not done support for a while lol

[subtle bluff]

Hehe. I like to support. Then I can some what lazier.

[meager fog]

You take OD I'll run Nego?

[subtle bluff]

Lol.

[kind epoch]

Yeah lmk, I’ll keep you updated too

[surreal stream]

So once I've got a good Striker base is my next priority just grinding out optimization mats to be able to max out the pieces?

[hollow torrent]

@void steppe is Sacrum Imperium any good? What do you recommend for a build with it?

[void steppe]

Striker with headshot dmg focused

[hollow torrent]

k

[subtle bluff]

You can or just grind out other builds, exp or what not in CD or retal

[subtle bluff]

That's just a bad weapon.

It's the best as a exotic mat

[strong cave]

or sitting in your stash if youre a collector type of person

[hollow torrent]

i see

[hazy steeple]

@hollow torrent It's best to not just ask a specific person in this channel for advice, you can fully just ask into the thin air and someone will answer.

[hollow torrent]

I know. Had asked em as hes my irl relative

[hazy steeple]

Suggesting the sacrum imperium as a striker weapon = no chirstmas presents this year.

[hollow torrent]

not like we do christmas presents anymore

[hazy steeple]

This is div2, capitalism that kills people is kinda our whole backstory.
Gotta get into the spirit!

[strong cave]

lets go torch hospitals full of children

-some random cleaner in Brooklyn

[meager fog]

Someones getting a lump of wood for christmas.

[hollow torrent]

yippee

Something to burn for warmth

[hazy steeple]

Not even giving away fossil fuels anymore.

[surreal stream]

I've been thinking on a support build so when my friends get going I can join them without just steamrolling over everything in their leveling path

[hollow torrent]

Wood is more effecient imo to burn when it comes to heat. Gives off more surface area and can be revitalized over and over again once completely burnt

[subtle bluff]

There’s a lot of stuff to grind and just piece up the good pieces then donate the for exp

[surreal stream]

oh back to striker stuff for a moment; is there a point of major diminishing returns when it comes to weapon rate of fire?

[hazy steeple]

The faster you can build stacks, the faster you can kill stuff.

which is why something like the smg-9 as the sole striker weapon is so popular these days

[surreal stream]

Maybe I just can't actually aim my Chameleon