td2-build-advice

[bleak sequoia]

you just stand there in the open with a shield up and they drop

[cerulean smelt]

that a chameleon you dirty dog!? (> <) j/k i know it's not

[meager fog]

I do have a Chameleon one...

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 hmmm wonder if eagle's grasp and visionario would help it in some way?

[bleak sequoia]

cool new exotic. Eagle's Grapes. Applies stun when enemy is shot in the groin.

[cerulean smelt]

here's dorky's Chameleon versionhttps://youtu.be/01CNV1MSQYI?si=0dPHGKY3flOaY1bM

[subtle bluff]

The build isn’t exactly good for it. It’s doable also that six12 has like 25 ish exp on it.
HF version of the build would do A LOT better.

Someone being like me now and just post clips! Hehe

[meager fog]

Much easier lol

[cerulean smelt]

mrchow turning into an influencer! 😱

[onyx sage]

the average player to youtuber pipeline

[subtle bluff]

“channel influencer”

[cerulean smelt]

especially when you're trying to prove your point that seems to go over people's heads no matter how many times you tell them things?

[subtle bluff]

The only thing the video doesn’t show is how to one-phase.

[meager fog]

Your youtube is only for cheaters

[onyx sage]

exactly. i'm just promoting dienhax

[cerulean smelt]

for 9.99?

[onyx sage]

for the exorbitant price of 0

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, definitely something i can't afford 😹

[gloomy spruce]

I know, if it is free then the dienhax sounds less like a hacking program and more like a training program to help a player know the build system while learing about positioning along with understanding enemy spawns and mechanics of missions.

As if it is a life hack website to make you better at the Division 2 and improve also as a person through dedication. Truly sickening and a sign of degeneracy.

The true cost is your time and your current flawed self. 🙁

[onyx sage]

who would ever do that...

[gloomy spruce]

I dread to know, sir. I dread to know.

[dusk inlet]

Question, if I wanted to run a tempest tech tank with ninjabike bp, striker/imminence would it be viable for heroic/legendary? Wanted to use the bulwark shield and a pistol

But not really trying to use memento, I know it’s powerful but trying to move away from it

[solar sable]

yeah... no, I ain't replying

[cerulean smelt]

you know you want to

[solar sable]

Ion want to 😠

[cerulean smelt]

honestly, a good majority don't like Ninja Backpack, so i'd say buld it, run it and find out. a lot of comments you'll get is it'll lack damage

[dusk inlet]

Got it, comments are accurate I’m guessing? Is it that bad?

[subtle bluff]

Why not go into a solo legendary and test some of these theory?

[astral kraken]

that's hilarious

[onyx sage]

i would word what chow said more nicely but yeah tbh I would test directly

it's the best way to convince yourself

[foggy imp]

Is sharpshooter specialization worth doing with striker for the protection from elites?

[astral kraken]

the first encounter of dua is the perfect test for any legendary build

[onyx sage]

sharpshooter doesn't give pfe, survivalist does

[astral kraken]

if you can control that encounter and farm the spawns then it has promise. it's easy to reset and retry.

[foggy imp]

Ah my apologies that one

[onyx sage]

then yeah but you have to be hyperfocusing pfe for it to be worth it

[astral kraken]

minimum 60% pfe and that's cutting it close

and it REALLY depends on the encounter you are trying to do

[foggy imp]

Ahh copy that. I’ll just stick with the gunner then

[astral kraken]

against rogue agents? sure it'll be fine. against hunters? not so much. in legendary? very very heavily depends on the encounter and 99.9% not worth it.

[onyx sage]

legendary also has purples and reds a lot besides basically only 1 encounter. master has 90% elites though so maybe worth it there

[astral kraken]

even in tidal boss room you need some kind of regen. pfe wont be enough.

adrenaline rush is good b/c you can think of it as a type of regen

[onyx sage]

purple minitank defeats any pfe build

[astral kraken]

it's actually the inspiration for the name lol

[onyx sage]

yeah i was taking jabs at you lol

[astral kraken]

everyone ignores the purple minitank in leg. silent killer.

[foggy imp]

I’ve also been donating materials like crazy and up to expertise 4 😮‍💨

[subtle bluff]

Stop doing that. Save your materials unless your about to cap out.

Donate your junk is much better at first.

[astral kraken]

the big thing to ask yourself with a build like this is: WHY do i want to use a car door shield in the first place? is it because your plan is to stand in the open and give the NPCs free damage? because if so you will be very disappointed. unless you have 70-80% pfe and you're only fighting elites that shield will go down pretty fast. for example against minitanks and chungas.

one grenadier will nuke your shield instantly

any build... ANY build... for legendary content that involves standing in the open and soaking up damage is an instant fail, full stop.

[foggy imp]

I’ll start doing that. Just figured it wouldn’t hurt since I have the build I want with everything maxed

[subtle bluff]

It's OK minitank. Let the man learn.

Wish I had a Pic of petting a minitank

[solar sable]

anything but AI please

[subtle bluff]

I was thinking about it

[dusk inlet]

I appreciate that honesty. Better than wasting my time.

[heady marten]

What’s a good AR that is equal or better than Elmo’s thats not super hard/impossible to get like Lexington

This is for a strikers obliterate build ofc

[subtle bluff]

ty for replying sometimes the effort we put feels like wasted time on our side.

[subtle bluff]

Any AR with +750 rpm works well

[heady marten]

Do you have any names?

I don't have the weapons in this game memorized like that yet

[subtle bluff]

I mean target loot AR and go

m4, p416.. carbine 7...um.

I don't have them memorized either just some

[heady marten]

What talents am I looking for as well

[heady marten]

I know I have a lightweight m4 saved, an ACR and a Famas (those two are preservation rifles but they both kinda suck when I think about it)

[onyx sage]

lightweight m4 is a rifle that happens to be full auto, and it's not good

[bright raptor]

if you prefer a bit of armor regen FAMAS with Preservation actually goes good with Striker

[keen hill]

This may sound like a dumb question, but here’s the thing: today a clan member invited me to play Tidal Basin on Legendary. He said, 'Only run with your gun.' I thought nothing of it and equipped the Quickstep gun, but the dude was running and using only the PEM pulse, instantly killing every NPC in the radius, including the Chungus.
We finished the mission in 13 minutes. I inspected him and saw he was using a Vile mask, a Wyvern vest with Glass Cannon, four pieces of Hard Wired, a shotgun with Optimist, the Test Subject, the Tempest, and the Technician specialization.
How is this possible? I’ve used this setup before but never with this kind of damage. Is it the build? the seasonal modifiers? other trick. I thought consulting about the build first.

[buoyant perch]

World record group lego tidal basin is 17 min. Your clan mate was cheating.

[subtle bluff]

I'll call him out for cheating.

[keen hill]

That idea circle my mind

[astral kraken]

cheats. hope your clan mate stubs their toe on a corner wall every morning for eternity.

[heady marten]

the equivalent to a skyrim shout build

[cloud laurel]

Catharsis + bulwark shield and a ceska or Douglas % Harding chest w/ obliterate and that should do it

You get free heal, free shield repair

PS ninja backpack just a trash exotic, any build with ninja backpack = trash

[shy willow]

It has its place in PvP and niche hazpro setups but otherwise yeah garbo

[silent storm]

@subtle bluff So where is my invite to show you the power of my build?

[subtle bluff]

I'm helping out fam at there shop for a few more hours then sure.

[silent storm]

I have to be at work @6 in the morning

8:07 now, that's ok though I am on vacation next week

[subtle bluff]

@astral kraken you want to tag in for me?

[silent storm]

It's cool where is the guy that wanted to challenge my build?

[cloud laurel]

I’m here add me same ign

[astral kraken]

what's the plan here? just run dua with him?

no modifiers, no golden bullet?

[subtle bluff]

leggo something and no stuff on.

[silent storm]

I need seasonal because that is what my build is built around

[subtle bluff]

lol context.

[astral kraken]

lol no

[astral kraken]

what are you using, zealot?

[silent storm]

Sanitation

[hazy steeple]

Okay folks, Rule 12 is still in effect.

Requesting their name via PM will also get action taken against you, just so we're clear.

[silent storm]

Who is naming and shaming?

[hazy steeple]

Naming and shaming isn't just saying "[x person] is a cheater, look at this screenshot".
Now move along.

[magic pilot]

Asking someone to dm you outside the server is against the rules now?

[subtle bluff]

Context talking about very much a older post.

We did not shame anyone just calling out what happened.

[astral kraken]

When we look at the quality of a build we tried avoid including modifiers as a requirement. The reason is that modifiers (especially this season's) are very powerful and can make a badly put together build feel good. Then, when the season is over, the build is a wet noodle. And no one is interested in updating build guides every single season to account for the various buffs.

Also, generally speaking, modifier buffs can be applied in a uniform way across all builds. So, for example, if a build is very strong then it becomes even stronger with modifiers. If your rifle build is weak then it also becomes stronger but it still lags behind better stronger builds.

That doesn't mean that your rifle build is "bad" because it relies on modifiers. But when you tell people that people are just not using rifle builds correctly (you said this yesterday) then you need to qualify that your build only works with modifiers turned on. Otherwise people will call you out.

[hazy steeple]

If you want, just call it "I said so".

[magic pilot]

You are taking action against me for stuff other people said, I didn't say they were cheating all I asked was for them to send me a users name

[hazy steeple]

No one is taking action against anyone.

[silent storm]

The only reason I need Sanitation is for ST 6 Smart Cover

[magic pilot]

So why was my message deleted

[hazy steeple]

Messages get deleted for all sorts of reasons, I can send you a copy if you really want the nostalgic reminder of typing it out.

[magic pilot]

"Can you dm me their ingame name"

[subtle bluff]

btw you never added that context to your "build"

[magic pilot]

Please explain how that's remotely connected to shaming anyone here

[hazy steeple]

Nah I'm good. If you have a problem with it being deleted, you're welcome to DM the modmail bot to speak to the manager.

Now if we're quite done with this ridiculous thing, let's get back to the builds.

[astral kraken]

I get it. But if your build relies on modifiers it's good etiquette to say it explicitly. Any build that needs modifiers to work is not taken very seriously for the reasons I pointed out. So if someone sees that they'll say/think "oh it requires mods" and will just ignore it.

When we talk about rifles being bad we mean with modifiers turned off.

[hazy steeple]

Wait, since when are Rifles bad without modifiers?

[subtle bluff]

His context he was saying his build with rifles and TS Chest & BP was really good.

[hazy steeple]

Is this a "they're not as meta as the meta DPS so we say everything is bad by comparison", or is this a "they're actually bad and have no redeeming quality"?

[subtle bluff]

He never added the context with modifiers and as we know modifiers can be very powerful.

[hazy steeple]

Of course, but modifiers aren't part of the question I asked.

[subtle bluff]

that's the context to what's being said.

[hazy steeple]

Most people won't go all the way back to the start of a conversation, especially when it's hours later.

[magic pilot]

Unfortunately most people won't explain conversations when you jump in hours later

[hazy steeple]

This is my not so subtle way of reminding folks on here to remember that this server is a public discussion board, not a private conversation, and especially that this place has a bad habit of gate-keeping if someone is unfamiliar with the game mechanics.
We're all guilty of it, but it's something to be worked on.

[subtle bluff]

I mean another conversation was last night. It's was a bunch of stuff. I even tried making video for it

[astral kraken]

There was a big discussion yesterday regarding rifles. Not going to go over all of it now.

Rifles at the moment are not in a good place. They don't really have an identity of their own. Nothing they are exceptional at doing. Most rifle builds either try to add RPM (or similar) so that they feel more like ARs. Other rifle builds add Determined so that it feels more like a Determined MMR build. Others try to add a lot of single shot damage so it feels more like shotguns. But all of those other options do exactly the same thing but better.

It's not a question of meta or not meta. We have a plethora of DPS centric builds now (ND, Striker, Tipping Scales, and much more) that all do a really good job in specific encounters/situations.

The issue with rifles is that they don't have a place of their own that isn't easily overpowered by something that does it better. No other weapon has this weakness. Every weapon (LMG, AR, SMG, Shotgun, MMR, pistol) have things they're exceptional at doing in the right circumstances.

[hazy steeple]

I've asked so many times for people to stop tagging me, I need to keep my mentions clear for the bots.

[subtle bluff]

I mean you did ask a question...

and you know we're good at answering them! 😄

[hazy steeple]

That wasn't the question post, but sure if I ask a direct question, feel free to reply, but please turn off the "mentions" tag, you can do it on PC by clicking the little blue @ symbol.

I can't just turn them all off, otherwise the bots become an issue. So I cut them down as much as possible.

[subtle bluff]

Fair I guess. I do it sometimes but most don't do it.

[hazy steeple]

It's cut down a lot since I started asking, I appreciate people being chill about it.

[cerulean smelt]

i'm surprised you guys didn't give Rowdy a Backfire Striker build from last season and tell them to run it 😹

but yeah, i agree it'd be nice if people are going to post builds they disclose "works because of this seasons x modifier" or "works regardless of modifiers"

[onyx sage]

my favorite modifier is determined

[astral kraken]

what an average thing to say

[wraith zealot]

golden bullet modifier on 1886 with determined

[cerulean smelt]

so, who's excited to see the new toys next week?

[astral kraken]

i'm worried

[hazy steeple]

Who told you about my tali statu.....oh you mean in div2.

[cerulean smelt]

but i get ya, they can only do so much with new gearsets/brandsets/named stuff and weapons especially exotics

[wraith zealot]

its tempest no?

[subtle bluff]

no we get our PTS notes.

[onyx sage]

when are we gonna get Conley modifiers

[cerulean smelt]

fyi: why i'm asking who's excited for new toys
#division-tweets message

[cerulean smelt]

red pulse that does team fire? 👀

[wraith zealot]

oh for next season. I thought its about manhunt conclusion.

[subtle bluff]

Well that too maybe.

[cerulean smelt]

probably a quick "this mission is the climax"

[subtle bluff]

You are right they did say they'd give us something instead since tempest was released.

[cerulean smelt]

i feel zoo is going to be the climax this season (> <)

were they serious about that? 🤔

chest that gives us perfect glass cannon damage without the extra damage we take

and because everyone loves turmoil, it'd be added to said chest

[broken edge]

they didnt post notes right?

[subtle bluff]

No, they'll post after their stream like "normal."

[cerulean smelt]

no just an announcement for a stream

[tired falcon]

they will if told it's the meta 😛

[cerulean smelt]

rp toeing the line of irritating a mod tonight 🤔

[silent storm]

So my build loses to +30 and +20 expertise

I will say running with @cloud laurel though we are kicking ass

[agile citrus]

I will comment because this is something I fundmentally agree on. Making a build that works for you, is awesome, completely support various playstyles, specially if its viable in a way that it clears all reasonable content (this doesnt include under 4 man lego or raid or mm clears) if the teams progression activelly slows when you go down, great marker.

But in terms of "seasonal builds" its not advisable to present them as "good" or "better" because when the season ends it will be a dead set with endless expertise farming. just my thoughts, from someone who does support non optimal approach

[subtle bluff]

I mean I'll say it this way... Showing off a build but it's built around a seasonal modifiers and not mention is..... gaslighting

[broken edge]

i mean we had the backfire craze because of previous season modifiers giving you extra hazpro

i dont consider that a bad thing

this season modifiers are less about your build and more about what you are fighting so i think it's less game changing

[subtle bluff]

That's on content creators not wanting to also show using seasonal modifiers.

[agile citrus]

I legit thought it was made without modifiers. I never used it, as I used it with hb or memento striker, but it was made with modifiers OG?

[broken edge]

well backfire did get a buff that made it more popular

[agile citrus]

I thought it was made with striker/hzp and antibleed mods

[broken edge]

but a previous season modiifer also gave you a lot of haz pro which made easier to build

[subtle bluff]

TU22 made Backfire more viable to use in general.

[broken edge]

it made that build more accessible

is what i meant

[silent storm]

I did mention it. #td2-build-advice message

#td2-build-advice message

#td2-build-advice message

I literally layed it all out

[subtle bluff]

You don't mention every single time you mention the build.
We don't track your build.
#td2-build-advice message
#td2-build-advice message
All of my video for show casing build I show that I have no modifiers on.

And I wasn't wrong about

[cloud laurel]

This isn’t half true, I’ve been SMG backfire long before modifier add into game and long before backfire buffed and yet I’m using the same build. 4 pcs of striker, memento, Celestine chest

[subtle bluff]

Like I just mention following that it was more viable since TU22.

But it was usable in the same before that just wasn't as easy to use.

[cloud laurel]

Without maybe Lego take 30mins or so so with modifier 15min ish

[subtle bluff]

Btw what do you mean by "loses"

[cloud laurel]

Lack of dmg

[subtle bluff]

That's a given. hehe.

by how much is really the question? since it was his quote of "I just thought of the best build."

[astral kraken]

expertise is not the difference maker

[agile citrus]

it should be noted hzp is almost 100% unneeded, with the use of memento or hb (hb not advised for lego, screw minitanks) this is not to say you cant go full red, just that these are more than enough

[silent storm]

Well how much does 1% of weapon damage affect CHD? So how much more CHD would I produce at 30 expertise compared to none?

And it's not like I wasn't holding my own in the runs with @cloud laurel of DUA

[subtle bluff]

It's not that much really it doesn't make or break a build.

But also again you avoid answering the question asked...

[silent storm]

PGC is only 25% but people call it gospel.

[subtle bluff]

I didn't say that?

[subtle bluff]

That's AMP dmg that's actually a different amount.

[onyx sage]

it's 30%

[silent storm]

it is

[subtle bluff]

You said this...

[silent storm]

I was wrong

30 60 for PGC

25 50 for GC

Well give me some time to get my UIC15 MOD2 to 30 Expertise

Then it will dominate

[shy willow]

Expertise won't improve bad equipment

[silent storm]

Hell I still need to max out the attributes on it lol

[shy willow]

It just makes good equipment ever so slightly better

[silent storm]

UIC15 MOD2 is a great Rifle

Stable as hell and decent DMG

[subtle bluff]

Like mention above it isn't gonna help you. I know you're just being stubborn and not wanting to listen. You want to be that off meta person.

[silent storm]

My goal this next week is going to be getting a capture program and then I can show off my gameplay

[subtle bluff]

Care to show me how much dmg you did the mission with him?

[silent storm]

I believe he recorded it

[shy willow]

Rifles in general just aren't very good

[amber crater]

if you are on steam you can record your gameplay

[subtle bluff]

You didn't even take a SS?

[silent storm]

no

I am not on steam

He paused to start the record program

[subtle bluff]

so how can you proof you weren't good or bad other than taking your word?

[astral kraken]

That'll be best honestly. Just run the first couple encounters in legendary DUA and record that. A bunch of us have done it thousands of times so it'll be very easy to compare your run to others.

[silent storm]

So I didn't even think about it

[astral kraken]

@cloud laurel do you have the end stats screen?

[subtle bluff]

But enough to say this right afterwards?

[silent storm]

He slaughtered me

He was +30% though and I am 0 expertise

[subtle bluff]

but that mean what to this?

30 exp doesn't change a out come of a mission

[silent storm]

I was killing

[astral kraken]

Yea 30 expertise doesn't make a massive difference.

[subtle bluff]

Since you won't belive in a math let give 2 weapons for you

[silent storm]

30% WDMG doesn't make a difference?

That's 2 cores

[astral kraken]

It doesn't make a big difference, no. Because you already have 6 red cores. There's a diminishing return on adding more red cores.

[silent storm]

Yeah and if I had 2 more red cores my CHD would be way higher

[rich cosmos]

Expertise is a thing where on paper it doesn’t make a difference but tell that to someone who doesn’t have a free 30% weapon damage at all times

[subtle bluff]

they were killing but they weren't holding there own...

[astral kraken]

Most people have multiple characters and only have grade 30 weapons on one of them. When I run content on other characters that have 0 expertise weapons the difference is minimal. I don't even notice honestly.

[silent storm]

I carried 3 people to Tinkerer Mask today #ask-td2-community message

[rich cosmos]

Most people do not have expertise 30

[subtle bluff]

That's not carrying when they're sharing in doing as much dmg and kills as you...

[silent storm]

The Overlords here do

[subtle bluff]

How many time do we need to say AMP and WD are different?

I'll make a crash replay for you since you don't listen to ones that have figured this out.

[silent storm]

MrChow is so mad at me

[subtle bluff]

No I just really hate repeating myself

which you get me to do a lot because again you do not like to learn or listen to others.

[buoyant perch]

what. How is that related. For expertise you just add damage to the weapon. It's not something that you have to trade for anything.

[rich cosmos]

Isnt the simple quick explanation that amp just equals out to more damage

[silent storm]

But when you don't have expertise on a weapon you do less DMG, and if you add expertise to a weapon you do more DMG

[buoyant perch]

not that simple, focus is additive to other TWD sources yet it's still more damage than glass cannon's amp

[buoyant perch]

but that doesn't change CHD stat

[silent storm]

When you have more weapon damage your CHD is higher

[rich cosmos]

I hate math

[subtle bluff]

Hold on guys, I'm making a clip for him

[buoyant perch]

that's not how the terms work

[agile citrus]

@silent storm you are severly overestimating "30%+ base weapon dmg" to maybe give you a perspective, +30% base armor x6 is equal to a whopping 1 blue core

the only time this will signicantly swing your success is in pvp, because in pvp every bit makes a big diff

[silent storm]

So CHD isn't based off your weapon damage?

[buoyant perch]

no, just go look at your stats tab

[silent storm]

CHD is a percent higher than your WD

How do you not think higher WD increases your CHD?

[shy willow]

No it just multiplies with your WD along with everything else in the damage formula

[agile citrus]

He means if you increase your WD does your crit dmg increase. The reason this isnt true in context is because your crit dmg affects more things that your WD, which is why tieing it to your WD isnt a good description

[shy willow]

Increasing your WD doesn't increase your CHD it increases your damage output

[subtle bluff]

@silent storm here you go

[cloud laurel]

Yeah I’ve recorded

[silent storm]

So you are telling me that base weapon damage has no bearing on the CHD that is based on weapon damage?

[subtle bluff]

Tell what to do to answer your question better.

[subtle bluff]

It does just doesn't do AS much as you think.

[buoyant perch]

again, CHD is literally a stat in the game, you are misusing the term

[silent storm]

What I think is I raise my weapon damage and my CHD goes up

[agile citrus]

@silent storm the reason Glass cannon does more is because GC is prioritized last, along with "amp" dmg types. If you apply GC after base dmg, youll get a smaller number than adding it to 200% striker buff. percentage increase, gain mass based on the the "base" number. if the base number is 9, 30% is 3, if the base number is 900 30% 300. bigger

[subtle bluff]

You do not need to think when we have the formula. It's why we explain so you can understand how it works.

[agile citrus]

if you had no CC your CHD dmg would not go up

but if your CHD dmg went up, your WD would go up

[silent storm]

So what you are saying is that 30%weapon damage doesn't add to CHD damage numbers

[subtle bluff]

He knows he's just saying it in narrow way. If that makes nse.

[subtle bluff]

I never said that........ The infograph explains it all..

[agile citrus]

its not 30% wd, its 30% amp. amp dmg type changes when its applied

[silent storm]

Do you understand what I am saying?

[subtle bluff]

first off "CHD damage numbers" is confusing way of saying it

You're trying to say the END dmg number

[silent storm]

I have a rifle with 0 expertise and I have a rifle with 30%WD expertise which one is going to produce higher CHD?

[agile citrus]

Neither. you need cc

[subtle bluff]

that's not how you say it..

[silent storm]

your bvlocked

[agile citrus]

lol

[silent storm]

That';s how it works though

Higher DMG is going to produce higher CHD

[agile citrus]

It's not.. because... your CHD doesnt exist without cc. expertise does not increase you CHD.

[subtle bluff]

NO CHD is a stats...

[agile citrus]

your chd dmg increases due to CHD stat, which is then buffed by your WD

[subtle bluff]

Your DMG output is what you're trying to say

[silent storm]

Yes, based off of base DMG

[subtle bluff]

are you trying to troll?

[astral kraken]

There's no point in arguing semantics. Yes a higher expertise weapon will produce higher critical hits even though the CHD is staying the same. Everyone knows this.

What people are telling you is that the difference between expertise 30 and expertise 0 is not so big that you will have the least kills in a mission by far (I saw the stats screen).

[subtle bluff]

This number doesn't change due to WD right?

[foggy imp]

If I’m using banshee pulse a lot would using the talent spotter be useful for the 15% damage to pulsed enemies

[silent storm]

The DMG it produces does

[subtle bluff]

this number changes due to WD..

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no there are better talents to use.

[silent storm]

Maybe I am crazy but does this game not use the damage of the wepon you are using to calculate how much damage a critical hit is worth?

[subtle bluff]

@silent storm
BASE WD x (AWD+SWD) x (CHD+HSD) x TWD x DTA/DTH x DTTooC x AMP x AMP x AMPs

[agile citrus]

Chow the reason hes not understanding is because hes viewing it as "chd is automatic, boosting my wd, make my automatic crit dmg go up" the reason I worded it the way I did is because WD can exist without CHD but CHD cannot exist without WD.

WD increases everything, including CHD, but the distinction is important because without cc, your chd is nonexistent. making it a bad schemtic

[subtle bluff]

If you want calcaulate JUST your CHD you don't use the whole thing then right?

[foggy imp]

This convo of math is giving me a headache 🥴

[subtle bluff]

BASE WD x (AWD+SWD) x (CHD+HSD)
So what you're saying is this.

[buoyant perch]

you finally got it, the term you want to use "critical hit", not CHD

[subtle bluff]

It's really not that hard he's making it harder..

[silent storm]

A critical hit is a percentage higher than base damage

[buoyant perch]

and we lost you again

[silent storm]

So therefore a higher base damage provides a higher critical hit

[agile citrus]

it occurs to me hes confusing dps with wd -_-

[buoyant perch]

you can't change base damage, look at the equation again

[subtle bluff]

My infographic isn't that bad you just don't want to read and understand it.

car stop... i saw that..

[silent storm]

What is SWD?

[subtle bluff]

............

[silent storm]

Specialized weapon damage?

[subtle bluff]

Keep reading.

[silent storm]

I need to finish the () before I move on

SO what is SWD?

[subtle bluff]

I guess I should try to Color Code things so it's easier to follow.. 😶

[silent storm]

So where does expertise fall? TWD or Base WD?

[subtle bluff]

Also where the heck did you come up with Specialized?

[silent storm]

So I was right all along

[buoyant perch]

AWD in the infographic

[solar sable]

read that wrong srry

[solar sable]

no

[subtle bluff]

Don't sweat it. It's something that's memorized for most. I'll forget it too. Why I want to finished this.

[silent storm]

But it is still calculated before CHD

[solar sable]

my brain got it mixed up with something else that I can't even remember

[silent storm]

So Base AWD and SWD is before CHD

[buoyant perch]

A x B x C = C x B x A
Order doesn't matter

[silent storm]

It's math the order totally matters

[agile citrus]

I decided to just answer the question. last contribution. this is an SR-1 0 expertise vs a 30 expertise SR-1, same set, same gear, no mods, same specialist, no 15%

top headshot dmg is 0 expertise, bottom headshot dmg is +30

[subtle bluff]

You like repeating other things but in your own twisted way eh?

[subtle bluff]

Don't make me bring up a math problem for you..

[solar sable]

It does when it comes to parenthesis, brackets and other stuff, not basic math

3+5 = 8 so is 5+3

[silent storm]

Don't give me a an order and then say that order doesn't matter

[hexed steppe]

i mean, arent all damage buckets pretty much individual multipliers so order wouldnt matter

[solar sable]

bro 🙏

[silent storm]

PEDMAS

[solar sable]

brother

[subtle bluff]

Wait. Did I give you something?

[onyx sage]

that is order of operations. we are talking about order of the operands

[hexed steppe]

consider each multiplier as P

[onyx sage]

so a * b = b * a

there is no addition, subtraction, parentheses, etc. or whatever, we are only concerned with multiplication

[silent storm]

Specially when the order you give me confirms my argument

[subtle bluff]

what argument?

[onyx sage]

i mean no slight to chow but his infographic looks too messy to even imply an order from

[silent storm]

That base weapon DMG increases CHD

[subtle bluff]

Do the math if comes out wrong then sure. But A LOT of players have used this and it's right.

[onyx sage]

left to right then top down? or top down then left to right? diagonal? bingo?

[subtle bluff]

Again.. Stop saying it that way...

[subtle bluff]

So does Overdogs and PGC and everythign else?

[silent storm]

Base WD x AWD+SWD

[subtle bluff]

Why are you showing us what we know already?

[silent storm]

That is base Weapon DMG because it is first

[hexed steppe]

2*8*9 = 9*2*8 = 9*8*2
order doesnt matter, all equal the same, correct

[silent storm]

Expertise is base WEAPON DMG

[solar sable]

it is not

[hexed steppe]

wd+awd+swd you mean

[silent storm]

It is factored into CHD

[onyx sage]

okay let's take base wd * (awd + swd)

assume base wd = 2, awd = 3 and swd = 4

2 * (3 + 4) =14
(4 + 3) * 2 =14

[cloud laurel]

Let dual DAU again with my rifle build vs your rifle and my rifle only +12 with simulator to your setup but mine I’m using ceska chest and overdog glove

[subtle bluff]

I swore I was the ESL person here...

[silent storm]

You need to solve for AWD+SWD before you factor CHD

[cloud laurel]

Bottoms line, rifle is fun to build and have fun but can’t competed. Even a players +30 rifles can’t competed with me……

[silent storm]

That means it is added to BASE WEAPON DAMAGE

[subtle bluff]

He's just being stupid stubborn and doesn't want to listen or learn and it has to be done a way for him.

[onyx sage]

bro, if awd+swd = 2 and chd = 3 for example, 2 * 3 is literally the same as 3 * 2, you can multiply them in any order

[subtle bluff]

You mean with better weapons but otherwise 💯

[onyx sage]

you're supposed to learn this in grade school

[silent storm]

No there is order in math

[onyx sage]

for SOME operations

[hexed steppe]

🤦‍♂️

[astral kraken]

my gosh what have i missed

[onyx sage]

what you are referring to is commutativity, you can look it up and see what operations respect commutativity

[solar sable]

everything an nothing at the same time

[cloud laurel]

Nothing really lol

[agile citrus]

........
he. doesnt. understand. because. he. is. viewing. crit. dmg. as. passive. dmg. effect.

He's literaly telling you "base weapon damage increases critical dmg" the reason you are not communicating, is because base weapon dmg increase multitude of stats, that critical is applied after weapon dmg. this is important because without crit chance, you do NOT have crit dmg increase, which means by default WD does NOT increase crit dmg, it increase dmg dealt by critical multiplier, once critical chance resolves... WHICH HAPPENS after weapon dmg is established

[silent storm]

You solve left to right and since AWD+SWD is in () before CHD and HSD that means you figure that before you do CHD or HSD

[solar sable]

...
fkn hell.

[onyx sage]

🗣️ 🧱 🧱
🗣️ 🧱 🧱

[subtle bluff]

I'm gonna start a lot of shit with this.

[solar sable]

this

[silent storm]

1

[solar sable]

BRO

[silent storm]

2+2 is 4 x2 is 8 divided by 8 is 1

[solar sable]

I'm unaliving someone.

[astral kraken]

i feel like we have one of these once a month

[hexed steppe]

-# once a week you mean*

[agile citrus]

parentheses is done seperatly after you find the other number.

[solar sable]

once every hour

[onyx sage]

after you get 8/2*4, you go left to right

[silent storm]

ChatGPT failed you

[onyx sage]

that is the calculator app but ok

[solar sable]

I give up.

[silent storm]

How dod you divide 8 by 8 and get 16?

[subtle bluff]

8/2(2+2)=
4(4)=
...........

[astral kraken]

oh no science calculator

advanced mode

[silent storm]

Now switch to scientific

[agile citrus]

Chat gpt in action. The learning tool of the future

[subtle bluff]

It's really not hard tbh.

[silent storm]

Noone here knows Pedmas

[solar sable]

This. Is. How. It. Is. Done.

you are doing a whole different operation

[onyx sage]

????? it's already scientific

[silent storm]

ok but the factor posed didn't have 8 divided by 2 in ()

[hexed steppe]

pebkac issue

[cloud laurel]

He’s drunk

[subtle bluff]

Let's break this down..
8/2(2+2)
8/2(4)
4 (4) =

[onyx sage]

okay yeah tbf if you're drunk even a man can do girl math

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't matter for this equation if you look at it again..

[silent storm]

8/8 is 1

[solar sable]

What you are trying to solve is 8/[2(2+2)] which is totally different

[subtle bluff]

wow...

[onyx sage]

can you just borrow a calculator off someone on the street and try it

[dull rose]

are u from American by any chance ?

[onyx sage]

what do you think

[silent storm]

#td2-build-advice message the answer to this is 1

[solar sable]

I just used my calculus calc 😭

[astral kraken]

Maybe it will help if I show it in COBOL?

    PROGRAM-ID. MAFS-IS-FUN.
    DATA DIVISION.
    WORKING-STORAGE SECTION.
    01 RES1 PIC 9(3).
    01 RES2 PIC Z(3).
    PROCEDURE DIVISION.
    MAIN-LOGIC.
    COMPUTE RES1 = (8 / 2) * (2 + 2).
    MOVE RES1 TO RES2.
    DISPLAY "(8/2)*(2+2)=" RES2.
    STOP RUN.```

[agile citrus]

why dont you ask him why hes doing math from right to left?

[fair dragon]

gotta say I agree with Rowdy

[agile citrus]

https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3313038/what-is-the-reason-for-the-left-to-right-rule

[silent storm]

No they are done first

[fair dragon]

the answer would be 16 if it's
(8/2)(2+2)

[solar sable]

yk what, 2 cods for not agreeing with him, deal?

[silent storm]

PEDMAS

[agile citrus]

☝️ PEDMAS is left to right innocent eyes

[silent storm]

Parenthesis Eponents blaha blah blah

[agile citrus]

this is right to left

[subtle bluff]

Let's try that again....
8/2(2+2) So first is P right? So then we're looking at:
8/2 (4) So know MD we can make it into this
4 (4) and that's the final part.

[solar sable]

Once you solve everything that's possible INSIDE the P, then you continue to solve everything that's outside

[agile citrus]

he did the math right to left....

[hexed steppe]

after the addition in parenthesis is resolved , that parenthesis turns into multiplier. then its left to right solve, right?

[silent storm]

That's the way I learned it

[solar sable]

then why are you multiplying 2(4)

[agile citrus]

you guys are doing mental gymnastics, and all he has to do is left to right. thats it. its not trig. he did it right to left

[hexed steppe]

im agreeing with the majority here.

[dull rose]

yo, we literally have a math class rn, im dead!

[subtle bluff]

Here's my thing how I learned I should able with PEDMAS change 8/2(2+2) to (2+2)8/2 and get the same answer.

[agile citrus]

Im going to scream. nah, I give up. he cant figure out left to right and none of you realise this isnt a math problem, its thats hes doing math right to left

[subtle bluff]

YO! WB!

[silent storm]

I've just always in my mind said Multiplication then Division

[fair dragon]

the way I was taught. you always solve the ones in and around brackets first. so
8/2(2+2) equals 8/(2(2+2)) unless it's explicitly (8/2)(2+2) then you solve 8/2 first

[silent storm]

Then called it PEDMAS

[agile citrus]

LEFT. TO.RIGHT ajklsdhasdjkfsghjksedfhasefdhasjfdklasdfklasd

[solar sable]

if you're a so called genius then solve this

[subtle bluff]

Yup why I am doing it in step first.

[agile citrus]

NOT RiGHT. TO. LEFT.

[wicked cove]

Feel like im back in third class…. Give me more 🍿

[silent storm]

I feel like I've always done the math as () then the number hitting the () then the number outside the ()

[agile citrus]

he can do math just fine. he does in the wrong direction. https://www.mathsisfun.com/operation-order-pemdas.html

[silent storm]

And since x or / can be inter changed it could be eitrher answer

[agile citrus]

its like autistic people talking to normal people, neither can solve for Y cuz why not?

and no Im not being insulting.

[verbal gust]

Well my brain just exploded

[onyx sage]

🤯

[agile citrus]

this is a super important wording

[silent storm]

I don't knbow what a f or x is

[solar sable]

You are solving it Right to Left. Maths are solved the other way: Left to Right. How do you not know this?

[verbal gust]

I am dumb but I even know this

[hexed steppe]

i mean, if there was a second set of parenthesis sure, but there isnt. you would left to right after inside parenthesis addition resolved...

[agile citrus]

YES

[silent storm]

I'm functionally slow

[verbal gust]

Me too I know how you feel.

[solar sable]

so you're admitting we were on the right this whole time?

[agile citrus]

autism vs normal, Why is solving for Y hard? Y not?

[hexed steppe]

how are you stepping into this, oh wait...

😎

[verbal gust]

Stepping is an invalid equation in my apparent state il have you know.

[astral kraken]

💪

[solar sable]

Syntax Error?

[dull rose]

notting bad to be wrong, but its very bad if u cant fix it

[silent storm]

So is it 16 or 1?

[solar sable]

16

[amber crater]

1

[verbal gust]

Anything can be fixed you just need the right sized prosthetic.

[silent storm]

ok

[solar sable]

from left to right, its 16

[subtle bluff]

I didn't read this all the way but this is right! The equation I gave is not written correctly basically.
8/2(2+2) with the parenthesis not being set into formula. I look at it what happens (2+2)8/2

[amber crater]

the order is not simply left to right, the weight of the operations matters

[silent storm]

I checked my super computer

[solar sable]

yes that is known

[onyx sage]

we did discuss that earlier, we are tackling order now because that is the discrepancy at hand

[solar sable]

FINALLY

[onyx sage]

no bro we hacked into every calculator in existence to output 16.

you got psyop'd

[verbal gust]

Hallelujah

[silent storm]

Since you can do Division or Multiplication you go left to right at that point, I was wrong

[solar sable]

thank the Lord

[agile citrus]

the answer was here btw. I emoted him at the time. Chow. Thisi s why ALL this started ages over "I describe overcharge as skill tier 7 because its easier to understand not because its accurate, most dont know or care about exact"

[verbal gust]

No in division you shoot people with cool builds we talk about in here.

[dull rose]

bro stop it 🤣

[buoyant perch]

I knew a game called Division would be about Math stuff

[subtle bluff]

It was the for the understand how the dmg works..

[silent storm]

Have you seen my Tipping Scales Rifle build? It's pretty awesome

[agile citrus]

communicating successfully is not about being right, its about helping them understand from their point of view

[verbal gust]

I got ya bud just, you’re too smart.

[agile citrus]

which is why repeating is dumb, rewording is better

[silent storm]

At expertise 30 it is going to be devastating.

[subtle bluff]

No sir.. I just like to think sometimes.

[subtle bluff]

Again no.

[verbal gust]

You are so un-american. I love it. Outside the box and all that

[agile citrus]

the difference between 30 expertise and 0 sr-1 hs

[solar sable]

that just hit someone else's weakspot

[silent storm]

Well I am going to get it there anyway

[agile citrus]

400k.

[subtle bluff]

And be sad at all the wasted stuff for it. What we're trying to save you from but it seem like you'll have to get there on your own.

[agile citrus]

400k is generous, its more like 380k

[verbal gust]

You got 35% damage after that. But your team mates kill everything before you can?

[silent storm]

The build itself is already so good

[subtle bluff]

I just make a clip for you showing how much different 30 exp did.

[silent storm]

Yeah but you have tons of 30% wepons and 4% is my highest

[subtle bluff]

Let me see if I have a MMR for you

[solar sable]

welp, I'm gonna finish my homework now, gn

[subtle bluff]

you didn't watch or look at everything..

It was comparing those 2....

[silent storm]

Pea shooters lol

I hate that gun

[agile citrus]

bed.

[dull rose]

expertise is very good, but not that OP like ppl think

i would say its overrated

[subtle bluff]

Missing the point..

[verbal gust]

Are you comparing 30 exp vs normal no exp in that gun and sharing the numbers between both to prove the differences in damage?

[heady marten]

Hello friends, working on my third build, looking for a sniper build, I have a hotshot/aces n eights already but im assuming theres something way better out there, also need weapon recommendations please :)

[subtle bluff]

believe 30 exp will make or break his build into being god like.

[silent storm]

Reminds me of the time I was hanging out pulling security with the generals bodyguard. I am all of 5'9" and this dude was 6'4" and had a tiny ass MP7 in the middle of his chest and I had a 249 and the MP7 just looked so small lol

[subtle bluff]

Ya nooo one sec..

[verbal gust]

Noice can’t wait to see the end result.

[heady marten]

what if i wanted to use an exotic sniper

[subtle bluff]

yup go for it. weapons w/e

[verbal gust]

Shroud and overdogs is they way to go as far as I know. But chow is known for his build crafting and sorcery one of the best

[subtle bluff]

Dont use both at once.... D=

[heady marten]

yeah i want to use that new one when i get it, i have an m700 carbon and white death too already but theyre probably not great let me check

[onyx sage]

they are still the best high end ones

[heady marten]

no exotic armor? (im used to destiny having exotics in everything lol)

[silent storm]

Night all

[subtle bluff]

Exotics/Named Weapons/Gear aren't always the best nor is needed for every build.

[onyx sage]

and pretty much still very relevant

and no you don't need exotics, exotics do not mean best in slot

[verbal gust]

I love high end builds. Making a hybrid build with the capacitor is my joy

[heady marten]

okay cool

time for countdown & youtube for the next hour it is then

[verbal gust]

The most I enjoy about this over any other game is that the most rare gear isn’t the best gear. Build diversity is actually a thing.

[onyx sage]

you can clear any content in the game without exotics too btw, it's never a requirement, sometimes they do let you do stuff faster but it's very case-by-case

[subtle bluff]

Just don't look for builds on youtube.

[heady marten]

i specifically made myself a really weird super tank scorpio build for countdowns that does no damage but feeds everyone increased damage and constant armor regen

[heady marten]

oh no no, the adhd fun youtube videos, not those, i dont look up those

[onyx sage]

just look up average gameplay videos

[verbal gust]

I have a aegis build with 2 piece armaments for 100% increased threat I never die

[heady marten]

my job in countdowns is popping my shield and facetanking everything lol

[verbal gust]

Yessss vanguard is my chest talent

[heady marten]

due to how much armor i have when i pop my shield perfect vanguard gives everyone like 1.3 million armor or something like that

[subtle bluff]

more or less reds/blue

[onyx sage]

you can go blue on those OD pieces too btw

[heady marten]

yeah i havent tried a dps scorpio build yet

[verbal gust]

I have this exact build dude it’s amazing but I do all blue

[subtle bluff]

I made this just quickly for the guide.

[heady marten]

the one i have has 4 foundry, pointman chest and the setup backpack

[subtle bluff]

Going full tank isn't needed really

Full tank is niche isn't needed.

[heady marten]

Yeah I know but its a nice break from being a 5hp dps monster

i can relax and just eat the bullets for everyone and assure they all have armor if they get too aggressive

[verbal gust]

4 OD with birdie and tardigrade

[subtle bluff]

being able to do more for less is more fun.

[heady marten]

thats subjective but I understand

[subtle bluff]

6 skill teir tank.... is a thing..

[verbal gust]

6 skill strikers is a thing to

[heady marten]

I only have 3 builds right now so its not like I can do much else, I just started replaying the game like 3 days ago lol

[onyx sage]

i kinda disagree too tbh, i do a lot of stuff as a full red player to do all my solo runs when i could just use memento

[verbal gust]

Momento 😩

[heady marten]

like i want to make a skill tier tank build, I want to make a more armored striker setup, I want to better my sniper build, all in due time, and one at a time

I just hop activies though, earlier I was doing brooklyn and its hunters, now im doing countdowns, its the adhd

[onyx sage]

i think as veterans giving advice to you it's kinda biased since we're past the buildmaking stage of the game. what we're just all about now is whether the builds are actually useful or not

[heady marten]

As someone who used to do that for destiny, I get the sides, so I can still appreciate the help

[onyx sage]

yeah i say it so you understand our pov, we legitimately have tested basically every build that has ever been

[heady marten]

I was also told that hunters fury is good for an armored scorpio dps

[subtle bluff]

Please just don't think taking 9 seconds to get your peak DPS is good. 😄

[onyx sage]

the simple ones just work, newbies love simple stuff, so advice from us is based on that fact

[heady marten]

yeah no i totally get it

[verbal gust]

No id be dead in that time frame im sure

[onyx sage]

it's kinda iffy if you can't secure the first kills needed to ramp up the build

[heady marten]

i tried it once when i got most of it together and didnt care for it too much but maybe I didnt optimize it well enough

[verbal gust]

Hunters fury strikers determined HH it all has requirements to run but if you can build something that gives you damage without that *chefs kiss

[onyx sage]

nah it's basically how it's gonna be maxed too, HF is very dependent on good talents on backpack and chest to make work

that's HF's weakness, but that doesn't mean it isn't good. you just have to know how to work around that weakness

[verbal gust]

Yes that’s the fun of it isn’t it? Figuring out how it works

[heady marten]

i was running it with zero f's chest and i cant remember what backpack

[subtle bluff]

No reason to use Scorpio with HF imo. maybe for a boss otherwise

[onyx sage]

taking as an example HHF (headhunter's fury, or hunter's fury headhunter) it's basically revolving around headhunter. you get the first kill and the second/third/so on are basically guaranteed because of how strong headhunter is.

basically an example of how a strong chest talent and backpack talent can make it work, and this works even in the hardest content

[verbal gust]

Yeah hf Scorpio. Idk. Hf tink shotgun with pummel and brazen? Now that’s cheese

[onyx sage]

yeah you're just missing out on a lot of damage running no damage talent on chest

[verbal gust]

Ceska chest with obliterate cc chd depends though on Crit or HsD

[heady marten]

ceska increases crit right

[verbal gust]

Yea

[onyx sage]

crit is really important for most gear set builds too

[heady marten]

cuz i got fenris chest for my obliterate dps cuz my crit chance was already at like 55% and my cdmg was at 110ish

[onyx sage]

nah you use ceska

you have some attributes you can swap over to chd

[verbal gust]

If you did fenris and ceska with 4 piece set sure but I recommend ceska chest with obliterate it’s carried me through everything

[onyx sage]

even then you would use grupo over fenris

[heady marten]

nah it was fenris and coyote then the 4 piece for my dps

[verbal gust]

Your aim for Crit is 60 and your Crit damage should be around 150 ish

[onyx sage]

weapon damage will not be a bottleneck as a 6 red, you have too much of it actually. you need to push crit

[verbal gust]

Then rid the fenris and replace it with ceska keep the coy or ditch the coy and keep the fenris and ceska up to you but I’d prioritize crit like @onyx sage was explaining

[heady marten]

is it like a noticable difference in damage or is this minmaxxing levels where you only notice it in like legendary or higher

[rich cosmos]

This is still going on?

[onyx sage]

no the math thing died

[verbal gust]

Big difference your crit is half of your damage

[heady marten]

ok cool

im not high enough to be minmaxxing yet, level 252 SHD and exp level 4 lol

[verbal gust]

Keep grinding brother youl get their I just recently hit exp 30 it’s a milestone but man does it feel good

[heady marten]

I mean ive gotten 100 levels in 3 days cuz i only play on heroic so its going

[onyx sage]

i'm not saying this should be your goal, but ideally at your level you can grind a legendary ready build already

[heady marten]

Oh ive done legendary missions, I just did one and had the most damage by a mile actually

[subtle bluff]

HF Crit Shotgun. No modifiers.

[onyx sage]

damage dealt isn't really the best metric tbh. it's all about time taken

[heady marten]

Uh it was like.. 30 minutes?

[onyx sage]

which one?

[heady marten]

Tidal Basin

[verbal gust]

Manning national zoo is the one

[onyx sage]

that's not bad

[glossy rover]

so mathematically whats the best way to configure regen with 5 pieces using gold pieces

[onyx sage]

really good for pubs.

but since it's tidal i would check to make sure you have the most kills too btw. you can overflow twice in tidal and zoo

[heady marten]

I did yeah I remember it

It was me, another dps, a skill tank and a support tank

[onyx sage]

sometimes the game gives the damage star to the second highest kill person

[heady marten]

the other dps died twice as much as I did so it was def me lol

he was very aggressive and decided to push two warhounds solo at one point

i believed in him until i heard agent down

[verbal gust]

Let me innnn with my measured set with birdies quick fix and I mean refractors

[heady marten]

so if you make a skill build do you have to spec into certain skills or can you use any of them and swap to another one

[subtle bluff]

Modifiers?

[verbal gust]

Depends on the build

[heady marten]

idk I didnt look, wasnt my lobby

[verbal gust]

He meant modifiers on your watch for the season I think.

[heady marten]

uh

[verbal gust]

Modifiers and directives are different haha

[heady marten]

the passives?

[verbal gust]

The seasonal ones yeah

[heady marten]

the anti grenade one the tank armor breaking one and the forcing snipers out of cover one

[subtle bluff]

So yes.

you had these on.

So it was much easier to more dmg or anythinng with modifiers. I don't run them and some of us.

[heady marten]

i actually just reset my map before doing that so i dont have a bonus

but yeah why would i not want a damage bonus

im not comparing or anything i just did damage and im satisfied with the fact i was able to do a lot of damage

[verbal gust]

Right? Like a no brainer we just wanted to know what ones you were running is all haha

[heady marten]

Alright, that one just seemed kinda ego-y like using a damage modifer is wrong or something, I mean if it is tell me

[subtle bluff]

Because once you don't have him it's a whole new world. not really but for leggo's

When the season changes. Why I showed a clip with no modifiers.

This seasonal modifiers aare kind of cheating to me. So I have them off all the time. Sometimes there on dude squads having them.

[heady marten]

But its part of the game?

[verbal gust]

Every season theirs new modifiers for it it’s as fun seasonal thing

[subtle bluff]

Yes? But most of what I do is guides stuff now soo I don't use them.

[heady marten]

Yeah its like destinys artifact, different buffs each season that you can pick yeah, thats why i chose this game to go back to and play originally lol

[subtle bluff]

Also the content I'm mostly in can't use them.

incursion and raids.

[verbal gust]

Exactly dude I have over 8 years. Of hours on destiny I understand. Haha

[heady marten]

Yeah you get it

[verbal gust]

You have to do the hard stuff while everyone else enjoys your hard work I respect you a ton bro a lot of you do haha

[heady marten]

I currently have a 16% RoF bonus and no damage bonus on modifier

[heady marten]

Yeah I dont have friends to do those activites with but ill try for a group here at some point

[rich cosmos]

I think destiny’s artifact is handled better but div makes completely whole new mechanics, for better and for worse

[onyx sage]

some of the content in this game (which you will want to do) will not let you use modifiers so it's good to try to play the game without them to get an accurate feel. modifiers can cloud your judgment

[verbal gust]

Yeah destinys artifact mechanic for seasons died for me after shadowkeep

[heady marten]

Oh if thats the case, I understand completely

[onyx sage]

if you want to chill and you don't really care cuz it's easy content, just use them

[heady marten]

Im not dissing on your style or anything I just wanted to understand why you didnt like them/use them @subtle bluff

[verbal gust]

Global events is one of the

[subtle bluff]

Ya that avg got me. I hate explaining that.

[onyx sage]

i am your english asian half

[subtle bluff]

You're good. I know it's weird.

[rich cosmos]

The problem for div is, it just makes me not want to use these, like woah cool new mechanics that will be gone in a couple months and locked to a single climax mission

[subtle bluff]

Even tho I'm the ABC'T one lol right?

[verbal gust]

Not even here all season bro just after 2-3 weeks im out

[heady marten]

Yeah d2 has that issue, youll get some REALLY cool artifact mods one season like all solar weapons cause scorch (huge dps bonus basically) and youll love it

then its gone

so yeah

[onyx sage]

Average Blayer Chow?

[verbal gust]

Alphabet we just did a math session for god sake. Now alphabet ok I’m strapped in

[subtle bluff]

American Born Chinese (taiwanese)

[rich cosmos]

This is far more fair because its really only gonna effect end game content you really don’t need to interact with it outside of champion mods, the problem with div is its a lot more work for something thats gonna go away

[hazy steeple]

I was going to go for "always be cruisin".

[onyx sage]

okay asian baby chow

[subtle bluff]

💀

[heady marten]

Well some mods were like, required for endgame but yeah I get it

[hazy steeple]

What if you're austrian born chinese?

[subtle bluff]

OK... Is guess this what I get for starting the math thing..

[rich cosmos]

Cough cough either rework old modifiers into gear sets or put old modifiers into summit

[verbal gust]

What if your Japanese born Korean?

[onyx sage]

i hope we get a "modifier wheel" eventually tbh

[heady marten]

OH god I forgot I have to do Summit, Ive never completed it

or Descent

[rich cosmos]

Its not even like old modifiers are gone they are still in climax missions, put them into summit

[hazy steeple]

American born canadian.
I knew it.

[verbal gust]

No American born puertorican. Close

[heady marten]

What if you're Scottish

[hazy steeple]

Then your national animal is a unicorn.

[heady marten]

Yeah yeah I know..

[verbal gust]

As it should be I embrace the corn

[rich cosmos]

Summit could use the love, hell put master difficulty in there too, legendary is there but maybe I don’t want to face against one single faction the whole time

[heady marten]

Do you know how often I get mocked over the mic that Ive forced an american accent onto myself? its horrid

[verbal gust]

Legendary was a hassle to get in there haha idk bout master. Would be nice. Add the rewards to the mix too all climax rewards for all missions in summit on master? That’d be cool

[heady marten]

Take the most annoying enemy from each faction and put them together

[verbal gust]

Like that wave based div 1 game mode?

[hazy steeple]

Master's not too bad, it's basically just "everyone use striker" and you'll be mostly fine.

[heady marten]

Idk I didnt play div 1, but they should just spawn the exploding outcast dudes behind you with zero warning for no reason

[verbal gust]

Can’t count how many times I ask what’s behind me and I instantly explode and turn around and no one’s there.

[hazy steeple]

ninja tusk, always get you.

[heady marten]

LMAO

[hazy steeple]

There's an 80% chance that there's not a ninja tusk behind you right now.

[verbal gust]

The worse is when in retaliation and they spawn all of the enemy as shield hyenas all of them…

[heady marten]

I should have clipped it earlier on Tidal, I was in cover and a bomb drone was hovering above me beeping, so I told chat that I couldnt move, and they walked over to me, and one of them said ur good

so i stood up and died immediately

[hazy steeple]

If you shoot the feet of the Hyena shields, it makes them swing the shield. Can be tricky to get the habit down, but they die real fast once you do.

[heady marten]

if youve played any shooter game that has shield enemies everywhere, you take the knowledge to always shoot feet into every other game

[verbal gust]

The best mechanic in this game imo is when an outcast says burn baby burn and they drop their grenade on themselves

[heady marten]

the best mechanic in this game is when you foam a group of outcasts that just spawned and watch as one of them decides it would be a great idea to explode right then and there next to their mates

[hazy steeple]

fun 2 facts about grenades, one most people know, and one almost no one does.

1. you can shoot enemies just as they're about to throw the grenade, and they'll drop it and panic.
2. you can shoot the grenade mid-air.

[heady marten]

how do people not know the second one?

the red square hitbox on the grenade wouldnt exist if it wasnt possible

[hazy steeple]

It's explained nowhere ingame, it's not even hinted at, and most people found out when they saw it done in an official live-stream in 2025.

[verbal gust]

People will choose to see some day and when they do thier eyes will open to a brand new world

[heady marten]

Really? I noticed it literally my first hour of playing the game

[verbal gust]

Your smarter then most

[rich cosmos]

Master imo is the best hard difficulty, legendary just feels annoying at times

[heady marten]

Normally grenades dont take 3 years to get thrown so that was the first obvious note

[hazy steeple]

@rich cosmos Very much agreed.

[heady marten]

What is master on? Ive never seen it

[hazy steeple]

You didn't learn it your first hour of playing?

[heady marten]

No that one passed me

[verbal gust]

Climax missions go to manhunts and you can see them all I think m.

[heady marten]

Right ive literally never done a manhunt so that explains why

[hazy steeple]

That's not entirely accurate.

[heady marten]

I dont think ive actually touched the manhunt tab at all, I should do that at some point

[verbal gust]

You’ve done NY?

[hazy steeple]

only the last few Manhunt missions have master mode variants, just the one where we rescue theo and onwards.

[heady marten]

Yes I did it two years ago when I started

[hazy steeple]

All Manhunts before that are just heroic at most.

[heady marten]

Is there any point to doing old manhunts

[verbal gust]

In no way am I doing hornet on master uh uh nooooo

[subtle bluff]

unlocking skills

[hazy steeple]

Each named enemy (2 per manhunt) drops a single comm, you need 20 in total.
outside of that.....the first OG 4 come with skills.

[heady marten]

Oh

[cloud laurel]

This happened a lot in tidal but if you can take them out early, you wouldn’t noticed

[hazy steeple]

@verbal gust Hornet doesn't have a Master Mode.

[verbal gust]

But if it did tho

[hazy steeple]

The real tricky one would be the Zoo.

or either of White Oaks. Ugh.

[heady marten]

I see the four skills, are they any good?

Repair trap sounds like a lesser repair hive

[verbal gust]

It heals impairments too pretty cool actually

[hazy steeple]

All worth unlocking on your Agent you play regularly, not necessarily on every Agent.
but if you use them more than once a week, I'd suggest doing it. Doesn't take long.

You don't even need to finish the Manhunt to get most of them.

[heady marten]

I dont think ill end up making another agent unless theres a good reason to

[hazy steeple]

Coney Island Amusement Park, Roosevelt Island (not kelso), Tidal Basin, and White Oak Lau, all 4 give skills.

[heady marten]

One of the manhunts is locked, the countdown area one

[hazy steeple]

Achilees Pulse is probably the most unique skill for weird builds out of the 4, although Shrap Trap has some odd applications.

You 100% want EMP sticky.

[heady marten]

Ig ill go do those solo after i do some countdowns

[verbal gust]

Lfg channels are a thing

[hazy steeple]

EMP sticky has some fun interactions with Warhounds. Where if you fire into one, and don't detonate, it'll stay stuck for the duration, then detonate to get more time.
You'll find someone down in an LFG channel yeah, or just "call for backup". Make sure you take the Global Event into factor here.

[heady marten]

The golden bullet one?

[hazy steeple]

You can only answer calls/matchmake with people who have the same event status as you.
So if it's active for you, it has to be active for them.

[heady marten]

Yeah I figured, do you think more people would have that one off or on as it gives a massive damage increase

[hazy steeple]

On, Golden Bullet is very popular.
but the Manhunts have been out for so long, you may not find anyone via Matchmaking, hence the suggesting for a call.

[heady marten]

Yeah I figured

[hexed steppe]

answering calls doesnt take GE into account . it will just shut off if the one you join isnt running it.

[rich cosmos]

Zoo is hell

It just never ends, it just keeps on going

[hazy steeple]

I'm having flashbacks to the time trials.

[fair dragon]

But but my penguin friends!

[cloud laurel]

1 tank 1 dps 2 healer zoo…

Without modifier tho

When using turmoil, your threat lvl at 100%

[heady marten]

35million damage headshots and the m700 isnt even optimized

[subtle bluff]

yuppppers

[heady marten]

(thats after all the buffs start stacking, default is like 10mil)

I just gotta get used to how weird sniping feels in this game

[solar sable]

that's the power of 5.11 HH

[heady marten]

yeah im not even running a backpack yet i just threw ninjabike on for an extra revive for now until i get one

[solar sable]

OH NO!

[meager fog]

The beauty of Hotshot HH is that you only habe to snipe once.

Then you can run around pretending your White Death is a shotgun, like I do

[heady marten]

wait, is that what im supposed to do

[meager fog]

No, but its fun lol

[solar sable]

you can pretend to lol

[heady marten]

cod mw2 flashbacks

[heady marten]

this Barrett 50val is a shotgun because i say so

[subtle bluff]

Prefect time for this clip.

But ya Modifiers makes it easier to do.

[heady marten]

theyre not buffing my damage at all so this damage be raw, i probably should go stack it though

map reset and whatnot while i was doing hunters earlier

[heady marten]

is this just saying ninjabike is not the play lol

[meager fog]

Ninjabike is never the play lol

[heady marten]

its only there cuz i dont have a backpack for snipers yet

[subtle bluff]

just showing

[heady marten]

here ill use the festive backpack instead

[solar sable]

it works as a placeholder and nothing else LMAO

[meager fog]

Countdown, farm an airaldi vigi

[subtle bluff]

You just want the talent

[meager fog]

I use mine as a paperweight

[heady marten]

i just did countdown for more hotshot parts, i like to hop between activites, rn im trying to get shroud again so im doing priorites

works out so i can damage test which went very well

[meager fog]

Cant get another shroud until after the season finishes, they're exclusive to the reward track

[heady marten]

yeah i dont have it from the pass yet

[meager fog]

Ah i see

[heady marten]

yee i just started playing again like on monday

[meager fog]

Well x5 season xp soon

[heady marten]

im like 2 tiers away but yeah thatll be nice to get everything else

[solar sable]

we like this game a lot

[heady marten]

this game was what i needed rn yes, all my friends keep making me play pvp games because of how ridiculously cracked I am and I was about to crash out

[solar sable]

pvp here sucks for most players, so that's why we like to focus on pve

[heady marten]

yeah i wont be touching dz

i cant stand pvevp aspects, i just want loot

[glossy rover]

185% hs 60% haz or 195% hs 50% haz

the first one right?

[subtle bluff]

If this is for PvP throw it in #td2-pvp-discussions

[gentle lichen]

60% haz definitely

[subtle bluff]

@deep jackal If you haven't gone to the build hub. You can find in the Pinned Messages > Sheets > Build Hub

[cerulean smelt]

some guns just hard to make it hit the grenade in mid air really

[cerulean smelt]

depends if you need the raid exotics still, gives you 4 chances a week to obtain them

[limpid nebula]

Another SSS build (Super Stupid Striker; as a lot of out there complaining about all the Striker builds). I really advice this hybrid Striker (I would say hybrid as it is not full red etc. can be higher CHC and CHD). When the stacks build up (Obliterate and Striker) it is really deadly. The Streamline talent fits really well, as till you are not dead (revived by the hive) it gives a lot of extra damage. When you are in deadly situation and turn on the shield, you loose oc. the Streamline but in these cases the survivability is more important. And when you take off the shield you get back the Streamline immediately. I have some other builds from tank through sniper till skill but I enjoy the game most with this. Very straightforward in almost every situation (Rouge agents, Summit, open world, mission, boss, Pentco etc.). It has almost 1.7M armor and fair haz. prot. as well.

[heady marten]

whats the ar?

That looks really good, scorpio jumpscare as well is always nice

[limpid nebula]

Lexington. Yep, the expertise 30 Scorpio is really helps in the boss fights or against Rouge Agents or Hunters.

[astral kraken]

Streamline goes away as soon as you open your shield.

You're also leaving a lot of damage on the table by using that many blue cores and a ninja bag.

[limpid nebula]

Yep, this is what I am saying :). I usually open the shield only when I am in really in deanger. And that time to survive is more important. So most of the time I have Streamline. And when I take off the shield I got back immediately.

[astral kraken]

A memento striker with 1-2 blue cores does basically the same thing but way better. The thing about blue cores is they benefit you most by buffing your shield. If your shield is only a last resort then you're wasting a lot of resources.

[limpid nebula]

Yep, I know. I didn't say it is the most damage Striker. This is why I called hybrid. So it's just a varioation I like and wanted to share.

[astral kraken]

I gotchu. But since we have new players here it's important to call out the really glaring weaknesses there.

[strong cave]

A great defense a rock solid offense. Or better yet, just use 4 piece striker with memento. Your build is trying to do so much and it's better to just focus it all into one place

Memento will buff both your damage and your shield. And it'll give you Regen as you pick up more trophies and bonus armor. You could run every striker piece blue and still have 5 blues, 2 reds, 1 yellow, allowing a tier 6 shield

[limpid nebula]

I didn't wanted to race with all the different variants, it's just one out there. 🙂 If someone got the hit and want to try out let's go.

[strong cave]

As opposed to your ninjabike version being only 5. Oh did I forget to mention, that memento buffs skill efficiency? Think of it like weapon handling but for skills. They'll last longer, do their job better. It's hard to pass up memento for ninjabike

[strong cave]

Having an extra 30% hazpro , 10% weapon damage, and 14% health damage isn't doing much. Memento will blow it out of the water

[subtle bluff]

Video coming for that one

[strong cave]

Show em how it's done 🔥 I got work

[subtle bluff]

So 2 things:

• Streamline for damage which is good but limiting yourself to not to try to use skill but for backup to use then you nerf all the damage you got from it which makes it worse for you.
• Not having skills can be a big detriment because skills are very powerful.

[heady marten]

The one i cant get..

[subtle bluff]

You do not need it.

I have a few of them I only use them as back up weapons.

[heady marten]

I hit the equivalent of a freight trains worth of damage by doing like, 90mil-ish with a single headshot with Shroud earlier

[cerulean smelt]

end of the season is coming up and chances they won't stop giving them out in those. so you turn the game into a job in trying to obtain one every 10 levels until we get to the next season

[heady marten]

huh

[cerulean smelt]

it's called Stretch Goals, but the lexington is more of a min maxer thing. if you're not into minmaxing can just use a police m4, famas, f2k i think were the top AR choices

[heady marten]

What are stretch goals

[cerulean smelt]

something new they started a couple seasons back. you're basically going 101-110 in seasonal levels pretty infinitely getting caches with various things in there that we've can obtain normally, but also atm the only way to obtain a lexington and turmoil but think most use it to obtain the eagle bearer, ravenous and even regulus without needing to do the 2 raids

[heady marten]

i thought the raid exotics were also low pvp drop rates and nothing else

[woeful zodiac]

Should I use Overdogs or Memento in my Tipping Bluescreen build?

And for Chatter's Striker build

[subtle bluff]

This is in general and not build specific. If you want more dmg Overdogs if you want a mix of Survival and stuff Memento..

[subtle bluff]

imo chatter doesn't work that great with strikers.

[subtle bluff]

more or less. Last season they gave the Stretch Goals. People keep saying we may get them again if nothing we'll find out Monday.

[agile citrus]

Its neat, just remember this channel is called "build advice" youll get "change" ideas more than convo. Dont worry too much lol, at least they didnt say, "everything about that sucks, no" like they did when I showed my hh/memento/striker build with mantis and invisible hand. but its a neat build. imo as I make a lot of solo/carry builds for rmm, I would agree if shield is last resort blue cores dont get a lot milage as say red cores.

NB is a fun exo, in that you get to feel like a swiss army knife. but when it come to optimal output, there are usually better choices. In my experience nb is a passive or defencsive exo, because in terms of offence there are a lot of better backpacks, but it offers legit passive def. such as 100% haz pro, 6 tier yellow cores, etc

[heady marten]

okay cool

[hearty pulsar]

Is tipping scales still a good pair with pesti?

[subtle bluff]

kind of...

[heady marten]

the last piece, with vigilance @subtle bluff

[cerulean smelt]

nice nice!

[cerulean smelt]

i honestly can't see them stopping it, otherwise they'll feel the players wrath like with determined and they'll have to reimplement it

[solid stratus]

If I equip a bag perfect creeping death ... With LMG pestilence... Plague of the outcasts .. apply 30 mtr or what happens

[cerulean smelt]

pestilence tick is a debuff so anything status related won't affect it at all

[heady marten]

i also got a funny sniper with future perfection for skill stuff

which i have a weird question about

future perfection gives you a + to your skill tier each time you get a kill

this works with the reviver, but i have a question about that, if you get a kill to get the extra charge, then throw it down to revive someone and they get revived by it but the buff runs out by the time theyve revived, does it use up the extra charge or the normal charge

[agile citrus]

the only time reviver buffs your skill tier is if you are using kelso master mode exo back pack.

Im not sure the logicists, but in general you prob wont get another revive between using it and another person needing it. thats a tight window, for a hive that has "multi charges". this was designed to group buff from a wipe.

I do know, if it rips the mechanic straight from future perfect, this means, no, if you revive a person 5.1 seconds after the last, you lose the skill tier, and it doesnt count toward overcharge (requirment tier 6) assuming your not 6 tiers. (thisi s a bad idea, for this exact reason btw)

[heady marten]

So basically its not compatiable well with revive

[agile citrus]

no future perfect isnt

[heady marten]

but is there a purpose in potentially running it with two different skills for legendary content or something, like maybe the repair hive/drone

or should i stick with reviver/decoy but keep the sniper for a later skill build

[agile citrus]

not repair drone. its hps isnt as good as most other options. repair drone imo is a duo thing, not a high end game thing

but in terms of healing, chem launcher and repair hive are amazing. so is btsu and the fore mention combat medic backpack, from kelso mm manhunt

when it comes to healing, if you are running a heal role, a great build is "the set up" a named backpack, 4 piece FI with chest, btsu and scorpio/acs-12. use the acs 12 outside of boss combat to proc "the setup" over the last scorpio 20% proc

survivalist specialist (the big crossbow)

technician is a just fine use of your specialist choice. it might not be max optimal, but technician offer 1 skill bonus skill tier, it offer +12% dmg to dogs/minitanks/skill proxies, and instead of survivalists +15% outgoing healing, it has a flat 10% skill healing. (the 10% affect you and your team, the 15% is isolated to your team)
the bonus that tech cannot make up is armor kit kits your whole team, tech kits you and your skills (heals them) its up to you which you choose.
surv offers a grenade the sets enemies on fire, with a wide range (hard for enemy to roll away) tech offers an emp grenade which stop dogs for 5 seconds, after you weakpoint or scorpion shock them

[patent fossil]

It should just use up the extra charge, unless future perfect wears off before the reviver charge counts as 'spent'.
You could probably test using the tdi custom Kard, at what point you can safely swap back to your primary after throwing out your reviver

[agile citrus]

this has a separate answer.

the talent you are speaking of is future perfect. the issue with it, is 1, future perfect vs perfect future perfect, has no real difference. so, keeping your sniper just doesnt have any long term use. in terms of sniper use, headhunter, mantis, nemesis, are all better choices. m700 and sr-1 and white death are crowd favorites for unexo headhunter snipers.

if you want a use for future perfect, use a "Kard custom" the named dz kard, put future perfect on it, then with 5 skill tier, pull out kard (this kard boosts your skills by 1 while in use, and finish the enemy, instantly granting overcharge. which will maintain after weapon swapping

a theoritcal use of future perfect. cuz when Im not shooting I get bored

[magic pilot]

refactor chest is not great

[tired falcon]

so far the most use I've gotten out of the future perfect weapon talent is hybrid shield/dps builds; for example a foundry bullwark loadout with Overdogs (or Memento, Tinkerer, etc) and last item being whatever you want to use, like a Bellstone. The bonus skill tiers albeit temporary buffs the shield. I use it in legendary sometimes with Memento and Iron Lung.
Having said that, I've found going with a 3 blue/3 yellow Refactor set + Tinkerer + Perfect combined arms is the strongest combination I've seen so far (one weapon with future perfect and other with In sync)

[heady marten]

how are u at 6 skill with only 3 slots for it

[agile citrus]

was holding kard in the isnpect

kard custom has a skill tier for its "named" sub attribute

[restive silo]

Any1 have a recommended tech build as a solo player

[meager fog]

Skill buikds dont work well in SP

[agile citrus]

a preview of FP usage

[restive silo]

Oh damn - better for group play?

[agile citrus]

he means "there are more effective builds at dmg and in his opinion, dead things dont shoot back"

[restive silo]

😄

[agile citrus]

the better answer is, if you like being a swiss army knife and like tossing 50 skills like your batman, here.

[meager fog]

Despite what the person on my block list is trying to say, skill builds are just not viable for solo play. Even EP burn struggles and its the strongest skill build available.

[agile citrus]

there is a chest talent that buffs skills by 30% but this will increase your dmg taken by 60%. also I think Overdogs will buff skill by 30%, but no memento skill eff. memento is good in solo

[magic pilot]

swiss army knife

[restive silo]

Thank you very much. Will take a look at that. I feel like beeing some sort of support could suit me well

[magic pilot]

skill builds struggle pretty hard like @meager fog said, eclipse fire is by far the best one and still can struggle on solo heroic

[agile citrus]

my builds are designed for self sustain and team mate support. I choose to promote teamwork over "I'll kill everything, and we will finish fast" its a different perspective. I shepherd a lot, never kick in cd's etc

[magic pilot]

refactor is pretty decent for support/skill dps but there is still better options

[restive silo]

Damn, okay.

[meager fog]

Unfortunately qe have people in here like that block listed person, who thinks they're helping when they arent.

[magic pilot]

are you just looking to run technician specialization?

[agile citrus]

this increases your dmg taken by 60%. its up to you whether skill needed to not take dmg is worth it.

[restive silo]

Well, good question. I just came back like 2-3 days ago and got myself a striker build but i kinda miss being a supportive role like in other mmos and shit because i am slow af when it comes down to aiming and stuff.

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/mNk-qwZL35M?si=pBe05whoP8NMBtiS

[restive silo]

Okay, ty. 🙂

[meager fog]

But you said you play solo.....so there's nobody to support

[magic pilot]

gotcha, Future initiative sounds like it could be a great option for you

or refactor

[restive silo]

as i stated further, maybe a supportive role would suit me well

[agile citrus]

my support build. I stopped healing when I stopped raiding and inc, but I enjoy tossing this on in shep/rmm

this isnt optimal, its just a passive way to be a team player while holding down left click

[magic pilot]

yea like i said when you posted it an hour ago, refactor chest is not ideal

[agile citrus]

what do you use to make up for this ? Im genuinely curious cuz I thought the chest is required for team heals

[meager fog]

Try this, an active support but kept 3 full red glass cannons alive through several master manhunts and legendary missions in a row.

To a point we were Glass Cannons acting as tanks

[restive silo]

Awesome! Thank you 🙂

[magic pilot]

thats the 4 pc bonus lol

[agile citrus]

oooo my b thanks

[restive silo]

thanks all for taking your time to look into that. 🙂

[agile citrus]

good memeory but bit slow on my part

[magic pilot]

chest for refactor increases the healing %, but you can get more overall healing by running glass since its based on your output

[agile citrus]

this is what they mean by GC or PGC. I am adamantly agianst this because it forces you to play back and passively (passively as in not pushing, or seeking covered enemies) unless with healer or aggro off you.
perfect/glass cannon

I do not tell people to ever run this because the gameplay it promotes isnt enjoyable for me, as well as the trade to me isnt worth it

people make this work. Im merely providing drawbacks and info within easy access in the moment

[magic pilot]

i play super aggressively with PGC

[astral kraken]

PGC enables aggressive play

[restive silo]

what does the "P" stand for?

[restive silo]

aaaahhh

[astral kraken]

perfect. because it is 😭

[agile citrus]

most talent with a few exceptions has a "perfect" variant. in most cases a perfect variant increases the effect, which often includes any downside, or reduces the talent cooldown

[restive silo]

oh damn didnt knew that

[agile citrus]

these items are always given "named" label. which is a type of item that affects some talents. such as the exo mask tinkerer. named items are also rarer, due to the fact you cant loot request "named" and they are a replacment for an "unnamed" variant.

[astral kraken]

glass cannoneers love FI players

we appreciate u, thx for the amp ❤️

[agile citrus]

@restive silo context

it is infact viable to run "FI" or future iniative with all red attributes, simply to buff youre team. Iv never made one, but it one I do support in my gameflow and actively suggest getting

[restive silo]

ah ye ty

[astral kraken]

If you want the MMO support experience forget healing. Healing is incredibly overrated in this game. If people can't stay upright then your heals won't help them anyway. Healing is beneficial in places where there are a lot of damage sources hitting everyone all at once and your team doesn't have the damage to take them out. The boss room of legendary zoo is a good example of that.

If you want the MMO support experience learn to play CC. The skill (as in player skill) progression is very smooth where even if you stink at it you'll still be a big help. But if you really practice, learn the spawn points, and learn from good players it's one of the highest skill ceiling play styles in the game (next to regulus one shotters).

[agile citrus]

teamwork is something that is really useful, so its worth your time to try a mastermode difficultly Roosevelt stronghold Manhunt. its for kelso, and grants this, a great 2 second hotswap for any team

[astral kraken]

CC is the only support play style that's actually used by experienced groups in general play. That's how good it is. If there are two teams of experienced players (4x DPS vs 1x CC 3x DPS) then the CC team will smash the all DPS team in clear time and efficiency.

[restive silo]

okay, ty. 🙂

[astral kraken]

Toastey has a great tutorial on CC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC2pdm6dDFQ

[restive silo]

what mods should the gear have? Skill haste?

[agile citrus]

I wouldnt call it the "skill cap" but... I suppose its hard to cheese with od, nd, elmo's world etc.

@restive silo I encourage you to make this btw, it will be a long quest, but very fun and player building

-_- prob should have muted general, but nothing too dumb

[restive silo]

Looks fun - saved 🙂

[magic pilot]

3 ia is the move now

[agile citrus]

@restive silo I believe this is the refrence he means. this would be easier to farm, if its the new set up

[restive silo]

ty

[woeful zodiac]

Is Bluescreen and Tipping Overdogs good for climax missions and the master diff?

And how do I utilise the full potential of the build

[cloud laurel]

A healer without BTSU can’t heal shit period, hotswap for birdie I can see reasonable. My word are hash and idc it’s better to hurt their feelings then be sorry

[cloud laurel]

Hit CHC cap 55% to 60% with ceska chest

[gentle lichen]

uhh how about overcharge

actually let me correct myself how about global overcharge

[cloud laurel]

My bad w/o*

[woeful zodiac]

Oh yeah I forgot to mention, I'm using a Ceska Chestpiece with Obliterate

[gentle lichen]

ughh i don't have a ceska bag for my od build

[broken edge]

A bit late bit for overdogs is good to learn its priority list to maximize the damage, otherwise you will be losing out on the big damage buff, but generally is just to focus on weakers mobs

[agile citrus]

is birdies backpack capable of meshing with a dmg set? is there a relatively middle or upperground set that doesnt require backpack?

I suppoer hb, but thats all I can think of. I dont know the most situations setsa

Iv been looking at it for some time now. and its not a huge drop from memento hot swap, for semi support reasons, not support

I think I might try birdie with OD or all red FI

[gentle lichen]

vigilance is a tough talent to beat

[gloomy spruce]

Its better as a hot swap option to revive your team when possible.

Depending on who you revive with it tho, they might be upset that you did so.

[agile citrus]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTJEX5DerCvOj3a_m36TRy1gPBAUvrduOIdmXI9j1Y0MpQk1wIXaZ9KOcPa7HzXzp_N5qGmjDj6yEfL/pubhtml#gid=1265826491

I visisted this page. I think I would be willing to do some testing on memento with FI and OD, it seams both have a relativly open backpack slot for dmg related reasons

[gloomy spruce]

@magic pilot and I know a guy that once promised to uninstall the game if we revived him with a birdies.

[agile citrus]

specificaly OD. Im looking at that. I like the rp reasons of giving team explosive ammo, and the reason Iv never done OD was I thought its effect was kill based, and since there wasnt a high dmg value outside of its ammo buff, that made me lean away

[heady marten]

So for Master missions, I’m assuming pure dps w no armor isn’t the way? I like my dps build I just dislike not having above 700k armor lol

[hexed steppe]

treat them like legs. your armor gonna get shot off regardless of no blue cores or 6 blue cores. the difference maker is your damage output

[cerulean smelt]

and i'd say the careful positioning you choose for each area