td2-build-advice

[marsh river]

it will take time dude, alot of time. im just pointing it out, that its something that will take time before u can squeeze every drop of performance out of ur guy. just be aware that there is room for improvement on those things. and will be for quite some time for u

[chrome cradle]

Oh i also got “catharsis” is that any good

[subtle bluff]

Don't listen to do Aune yes you're missing some stats from your watch but worry about your ability to make builds first.

[meager fog]

It has uses, but it's on the weaker side in general

[chrome cradle]

Ah

[subtle bluff]

Exotics/Named Weapons/Gear aren't always the best nor is needed for every build.

[chrome cradle]

Well I’m gonna farm summit for striker and library

[meager fog]

Catharsis is counter productive, it requires you to take damage to work...something you absolutely need to avoid doing in Div 2

[marsh river]

go countdown instead

[chrome cradle]

I AM NOT DOING THAT SOLO

[marsh river]

obviously not

[solar sable]

you can matchmake...

[subtle bluff]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/234461-tom-clancys-the-division-2/faqs/82038/what-to-start-farming
Plz read this...

[meager fog]

You don't solo it, you MM into Challenging and do it with 7 other people

[chrome cradle]

Barely anyone joins

[subtle bluff]

It explains EVERYTHING you're are having issues with and needs to be done..

[meager fog]

Set it to challenging, you'll fiund a game in seconds

[hexed steppe]

Just matchmake challenging cd and itll go quick

[chrome cradle]

Ok ok I’ll get to it

[meager fog]

You don't need to kill anything, that'll be handled by everyone else, jnust focus on the objectives and staying with your squad

[marsh river]

que up to heroic and pretend you are not leeching.. just mimmick the other guys and say pew pew 🥹

[chrome cradle]

Thank you. All of you

[subtle bluff]

Do not go to heroic like he said.

[solar sable]

Heroic isn't worth the time, Challenging is easier and you don't get kicked for "not having a build".

[meager fog]

And for the second time, please don't listen to Aune

[subtle bluff]

I spend a ton of time on the guide for a good reason.

[marsh river]

maybe xbox experience, on pc, heroic is complete faceroll every time, even with afkers etc

there's absolutely no reason why i should que for challenging. its not worth the time

[solar sable]

not this again...

[meager fog]

Aune has, quite obviously, never done a heroic mission let alone a heroic countdown.

[marsh river]

bro you initiated this, dont be upset that i retort

[subtle bluff]

He's not you or us. He's like you said new.

dunno why I response to him gaslightin noobs sometimes anymore. Oh well.

[marsh river]

the player powerlevel is all-time high in the game atm, even legendary missions are speedran faster than we did heroics a year ago, its absurd

[meager fog]

At this point, i'm pretty convinced that they're just a bad player trying to seem good

[solar sable]

Heroic is NOT friendly with newbies, maybe for aDvAnCeD players like you, but absolutely worthless.

[subtle bluff]

Oh right... I think people that give out misinformation is just bad and very misleading.

[marsh river]

we are happily assuming that he's being matched with 3 (7) randoms and getting carried

[solar sable]

Heroic CD is just a placebo for those who say it gives higher rolls
That's the right way to describe it

[marsh river]

sorry i dont speak in controller. dont know what u are saying

[solar sable]

Not always, and this is because of people like you, who direct newbies into Heroic content

[marsh river]

keep shitposting dude

[meager fog]

They aren't worth talking to honestly.

Looking at the things they say/recommend. They're not the player they like to claim they are.

I'm fairly confident they've never stepped foot in Heroic, let alone legendary.

[solar sable]

us cctv cameras don't know anything about games 😔

[subtle bluff]

What happens if he doesn't get carried and keep trying?
Does that help him?
You know assumptions doesn't aren't always right.

[solar sable]

wild car has arrived!
(no offense intended)

[agile citrus]

imo he should, but I would take it in a different direction. I would ask the laser be put on an acs12 with dtooc, with pulse laser and accuracy scope mod. I think this should be used exclusively vs robots or tanks (tanks and hb dont mix... sigh) or objectives.

remember than pulse laser has a weird short sight range. (often doesnt activate at point blank) and remember the hs pulse from hb is like 10 seconds. you only need to flick it

[chrome cradle]

Ok I got full strikers

[agile citrus]

I also believe the use of demo drone into emp grenade is very good dog counter, same as emp pulse into emp grenade

[marsh river]

what about the rolls? are they good?

[subtle bluff]

Keep following the guide

Farm for Ceska and farm for stats

[chrome cradle]

Idk

[marsh river]

okay, so they are not good rolls

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't matter. The stats don't matter.

[chrome cradle]

Ceska what

[solar sable]

Výroba

[marsh river]

i cant even tell what the rolls are but i can see the colour and tell u that is pretty off the mark

[agile citrus]

full striker takes a new... old meaning

[subtle bluff]

I'll just copy and paste out of my guide

[chrome cradle]

Ohhhhhhh I get it now

[subtle bluff]

This is in here too to note.

[marsh river]

if u run some 4-5 countdowns or something you should probably at least have the correct stat roll types for 4 pieces.. unless cursed rng

[meager fog]

You never need 6 pieces of anything

[chrome cradle]

Never mind I fully get it

[solar sable]

but hey, he can use them for future content :D

[subtle bluff]

plz stop... It's part of the farming guide stats

[subtle bluff]

It's all in the guide....
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/234461-tom-clancys-the-division-2/faqs/82038/unicorn-loot-list

[agile citrus]

if your using elmo, your watch is 10% crit chance, and elmo is 15%, thats 25% if you use ceska, its passive talent put you at 33%. 50% imo is fine, so after 50% go all crit dmg. chow might have a different idea but Id go that. obl is good for chest, vigil is good for back, and memento/coyote/catharis all all good

[subtle bluff]

I made the guide to save everyone the effort of All OF This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[meager fog]

He is low SHD

[subtle bluff]

This is my point again with you. Stop with over loading newer players with info. Get the basics down for now basic build even then gameplay.

[agile citrus]

yeh he is, it just.. doesnt really matter.. but thats just me. if he builds for 40% crit now, his watch will fill in

[chrome cradle]

“WELL I CANT READ!”

[subtle bluff]

You kind of read this well....

[meager fog]

Catharsis is not good, especially not for a DPS build.

It requires you to take damage....that's a bad thing.

[chrome cradle]

I can’t read guides

I’ll be honest I’m kind of an idiot.

[subtle bluff]

but you're reading all of this..

[meager fog]

You're learning, we're here to help you.

[chrome cradle]

Basic English

[agile citrus]

🙁 I didnt overflow. I told him the most basic info every crit builds needs. weapon cc+watchcc+talent cc

[subtle bluff]

You can get it transacted in chrome...

[meager fog]

Chow doesn't do basic english, it's not his first language. Sometimes it may seem he's being abrupt, he isn't.

[chrome cradle]

Ah well I’m sorry chow

[subtle bluff]

HENCE I spend A LOT of time making the guides. I hate englishing

[agile citrus]

uuuuuh this is a good point. Im just not super sure not taking dmg is a skill outside of like super veteran

[subtle bluff]

I get not wanting to read but not trying to at least look at what's written down even is....

[astral kraken]

@tawdry flare shots fired

[meager fog]

Most DPs builds can't survive enough shots to even proc a catharsis heal, which in itself is really poor anyway.

[solar sable]

it's sad because he told me he had to stop with the 5.11 stuff for whatever reason he had :(

[astral kraken]

end of an era :[

[chrome cradle]

Without all this armor I feel like a glass cannon

[agile citrus]

@chrome cradle chow thinks this is overload, so if its confusing, I apologise. I do think this is a fundmental rule with every crit build. I also think its not complicated.

1. ceska brand offers 8% crit chance when you equipt it.

2. 1k watch is max. at 1k watch you will get 10% crit chance

3. most guns have a passive crit bonus. elmo gives 15% using its exo mod.

together these make 33% crit chance. you need to make it 50% for a crit build. each mod or piece can boost your crit by 6% generally

[meager fog]

Lol, you're not using glass cannon yet 😉

[subtle bluff]

Again you're just setting up a build to farm and that'll you'll use later

[agile citrus]

I believe building for 1k watch is a good idea. you will reach 1k soon, after that it is passive.

also, you will reach 10% critchance by 250 shd at minimum

[chrome cradle]

Went from 1.2 million armor to 800k

[meager fog]

This is why I recommend farming good base attributes and changeable secondaries. You can build for 60% crit before you hit SHD watch max, getting the most out of a build before a watch is maxed

[agile citrus]

yyyy

[subtle bluff]

Bullets do a good amount. It won't matter that much in the end.

[meager fog]

That's less than a single shot from an enemy. They deal more damage than you think.

[chrome cradle]

Yeah I’m killing very fast

Although I won’t get used to it for awhile

[meager fog]

DPS 101: Dead enemies can't shoot back.

[agile citrus]

800k armor is the trade off for big deeps. things that dont shoot back dont do 800k dmg. what blue and yellow cores offer are the ability to survive and dps, while getting hit. getting hit offers range options and other bonus thats harder in all red

[chrome cradle]

Mmmm

[agile citrus]

whatever you end of doing, make a build that compliments your playstyle

[chrome cradle]

Yeah bullet king might save me with this build

[agile citrus]

Im a 5m from your face. so bh and blue cores compliment mine. but if I was red core, Id get globaled a lot (personal exp

[chrome cradle]

I hate reloading

[agile citrus]

my eyes.... STAWP USING FLOATING NUMBERS

ow

[meager fog]

Full red legendary DPS play. Just stay at range and use your damage. It's not hard, just different.

That's bluescreen dilemma btw

[subtle bluff]

cheater! jk modifers make that too easy.

[rich cosmos]

In gameplay you are looking at the enemy not your numbers, the numbers are easier to look at to make sure damage is working properly

[subtle bluff]

Honestly scrolling is better less crap in the way of aiming when we have low vis.

[meager fog]

I can post without the modifiers lol 😛

[astral kraken]

mhmm... now do it with your screen turned off

[meager fog]

Nego is a bit ridiculous

[agile citrus]

he KNOWS what Im complaining about and it isnt numbers

my eyes.

[chrome cradle]

Ok good to know: DO NOT GET SURROUNDED

[meager fog]

Always remember, you control the firing lanes

[solar sable]

why worry about armor if you kill enemies before they get a chance to fire back

[chrome cradle]

I’m gonna need to switch up skills then. Maybe decoy and drone

[meager fog]

EMP sticky and foam are my go tos

[astral kraken]

to be fair you cherry picked one of the very few cases where they all pile up like that

the hard rooms are the ones with multiple doors far away from each other. and long distances. stuff like that.

[meager fog]

It's all the same thing.

You learn the spawns, you learnt he maps, and you learn where to create firing lanes.

That's part of the game, learning all this stuff.

[astral kraken]

there are plenty of places without easy lanes like that tho

aviary, tiger enclosure, tidal boss, etc etc

[onyx sage]

can confirm

[astral kraken]

even dua garage has no truly easy lanes

[meager fog]

They're also a new player, showing them advance Tidal tactics like shooting dead enemies to hurt live ones with Nego isn't really going to help lol

I learned that from some AveragePlayer

[onyx sage]

but these ones are really hard though tbh. for most encounters its just managing lanes like fnaf 💀

[meager fog]

^ Literally just showing them you don't need to be scared of being a glass cannon. You just need to adapt to it

[astral kraken]

i just dont think thats a good example case is all

yea ofc when they all pile up easily like that its np

you were even using short cover there which is generally a no-no

[agile citrus]

I should change my name to some really average guy

dorkly has a good point. in tidal, based on rmming, and Im talking like 12k, 7k, 30k players. mostly youll see people hunkers down in spawn an elmoing into space. the more advanced stuff Im guinely trying see if Iv ever witnessed ND in rmming... Iv seen it in cd

you will see people go toe to toe with shield like I do, or other facetank memes but generaly these people has massive blue core regen etc on

Im not changing my name

[light grove]

Creative name changes is quite a feature

[onyx sage]

only i can cosplay myself.

of course i know him. he's me

[hexed steppe]

nothing like someone biting your style 😎

[agile citrus]

lol

[hexed steppe]

imitation is the sincerest form of flattery... hows the rest of that go?

[meager fog]

I was just typing that...but iun this case it's a bit sad lol

[agile citrus]

Ill prob change it back. but I like annoying him

[hexed steppe]

who?

[agile citrus]

@hexed steppe this originally said "some really average guy" he changed it after I swiped ownership for "they're also a new player" <paraphrase> "I learned that from <username>"

[meager fog]

He took something out of context and made it about himself in a weird reddit user kind of way.

[gloomy spruce]

@onyx sage , I completely blame you for this disaster.

[agile citrus]

I could change it back, an even say he ment the ND on ded bodies lol

[hexed steppe]

only 1 average 🐐

[agile citrus]

but it annoys him and it makes me happy. Ill change it back. @onyx sage is amazing and I respect it

[meager fog]

Yep, and everyone knows who you mean when you meantion average play....except this guy...who wants to be the center of attention all the time

[agile citrus]

tomorrow.

[hexed steppe]

whats tomorrow?

[agile citrus]

cars. maybe a ferrari. I like ferrari peaking in valorant

[hexed steppe]

buying car? congrats.

#off-topic-discussions

[meager fog]

He's deliberately trying to bait me, just an FYI.

Really poor troll that's been in here for days and not dealt with.

[hexed steppe]

can only bait if you let them get to you. block if there is a true issue

[meager fog]

Oh they're already blocked, I can still read their messages though. Gives me some entertainment lol

[hexed steppe]

whats the point then?

[meager fog]

Dunno, seems to be some weird contrarian that appeared this week and wants to start arguments with everyone by having the exact opposite opinion to everything said

[hexed steppe]

personally i dont get the whole blocking thing... there are much funner ways to teach respect for one another

thats basically what most stuff boils down to, is lack of respect

[strong cave]

Battle Royale sounds like a good option. Smartest one lives, fight to the death type shi

[agile citrus]

for the record, your kinda the only one who doesnt know who I am, cuz I was really active like 6 months ago before my life got BOOM and drama at the community server blew up.

[meager fog]

Just reading the messages they died a few days ago

[strong cave]

My passion for division went along with them

[hexed steppe]

idk who you are either, tbh. not a dig, but i been here for years

[agile citrus]

h1-9b

[meager fog]

I've had several DMs from people telling me he's a bit of a ___ fill in the blank.

But yeah, most have no idea. Seems to have this reddit feeling that everyone knows them.

[agile citrus]

actually quite a few even know tihs is my face. most recognmize my build. but I was more abrasive then. my duos been working on me -_-

[strong cave]

Conflict went exactly how I predicted it today:

PvP playerbase said truce against newbies. Ended up being a total lie as I figured. Everyone ran Anti-Fun builds. And if anything, the playerbase for pvp seems to be getting smaller with good players and flooded with "bad". And clans are farming

[agile citrus]

🙁 I tried conflict. first thing I noticed was the swap to all skill the minute the other team started losing.

[strong cave]

Typically how it goes. Or they all run Regen bighorn

[hexed steppe]

you had 5 messages prior to september of this year... im not sure that constitutes really active.

but on that note, lets move non build chat to #ask-td2-community , #td2-general-chat , or #off-topic-discussions
-# bad local for going off topic

[gloomy spruce]

I was so happy to get the blueprints for DZ/PvP exclusive items. It makes getting them when needed so much easier.

PvP builds and the aspects of those game modes are frustrating to me.

I prefered the cat and mouse games of the Division 1's pvevp.

My advice to newer or returning players: Get your hands on as many reconstructed caches and newly released blueprints from CP's as you can. It reduces a lot of the stress from RNG farming. I would even say that blueprints are after SHD 1000 more important than almost anything else. (Besides getting a few good goto builds)

[uncut willow]

hello someone have a good tipping scales build ? bc i dont really know what is the best between using overdogs or tinkerer ?

if someone have advice or build i m open

[hexed steppe]

definitely overdogs. i use with ceska glass chest and 4pc tipping

[gloomy spruce]

I think the meta is something like Ceska Chest with obliterate or glass cannon, Iron lung, Overdogs, and probably a bakers dozen or pistol to maintain stacks when no npc's are around.

[hexed steppe]

just gotta get familiar with the different ranks to maximize damage buff from overdogs

[gloomy spruce]

Everything rolled crit chance and crit damage.

Crit chance first and then crit damage. You want at least 60% crit chance.

[hexed steppe]

i would even say that rolling damage on tipping is flexible.. diminishing returns and all

[gloomy spruce]

True, the other option would be crit chance and maybe weapon handling as a close second.

[hexed steppe]

backfire tipping all hazpro
-# jokes, unless it works

[gloomy spruce]

Still if you are not set on the iron lung, the other lmgs are the Bullet king, Good times, Black Friday, or M60/M249B

[magic pilot]

@hexed steppe you might want to remove that post in pvp chat

some witch hunting going on

[cloud laurel]

Could be fun but I like my backfire without hazpro. Fully red with CHD pair with striker

[magic pilot]

I'm something of an enjoyer myself

[honest moss]

Is backfire any good with OD or not worth it? Instead of tinkerer i would run overdogs

[solar sable]

where is the hazpro

WHERE IS IT WHY AREN'T YOU USING HAZPRO

[shy willow]

No need sir

[magic pilot]

lmao

[subtle bluff]

add overdogs

[magic pilot]

yea i havent updated it for awhile

any other incursion builds change? i have wright LD, and turret HH + oxi

[subtle bluff]

Overdogs for Wright still

[magic pilot]

ok ok

[subtle bluff]

Lovebirds it's BK still unless adds are all dead somehow

[magic pilot]

scuffed runs got it

[uncut willow]

okay thank

[subtle bluff]

all the info for builds are in the build hub
You can find that the Pinned Message > Spreadsheet

[nocturne crown]

I had to do some modifications to be honest

[cerulean smelt]

3 foundry isn't really doing much for you honestly, assuming 2 belstone and the 3 foundry you're focusing on armor regen?

[nocturne crown]

Yes

[cerulean smelt]

everyday carrier for chest? or jsut regular belstone?

[nocturne crown]

Both to be honest. Is it for the chest plates and also I needed something for the BP but I didn’t have anything else at the time

Originally, I was going to go with two foundry and two of those with ninja bike messenger, but like I said, I didn’t have the right pieces

[harsh brook]

What they’re asking is if the chestpiece is named “everyday carrier” or just a regular chest piece

[cerulean smelt]

honestly most of us can't say this enough but ninja bike is a terrible backpack. some would disagree with us of course

[nocturne crown]

Oh yeah, it’s every day carrier

[subtle bluff]

so what does this build do that we can't do better already?

[cerulean smelt]

everyday carrier is belstone correct? or am i misrememering?

[nocturne crown]

I didn’t say that not only apply stack of bonus armor kind of like how memento works but without having to run to get the pieces, but depending on the enemy type and rings, it does enormous amounts of damage

I’ll show you a video example later. Add me

[nocturne crown]

…

[cerulean smelt]

yes, that's the healing chem launcher doing 50 million damage

[harsh brook]

Average D2 things

[nocturne crown]

What the hell

[subtle bluff]

what's "enormous" amount of damage?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah my jaw dropped when i pieced that together. was like wtf?!

[nocturne crown]

I’m doing a CL build

[subtle bluff]

CL?

[cerulean smelt]

then i'm picturing him being a healer but killing his own teammates with it

[nocturne crown]

Chemical launcher

[cerulean smelt]

chem launcher

[subtle bluff]

Chem Launcher

[obtuse crystal]

thats not a thing

[nocturne crown]

It’s is now

[harsh brook]

I mean, if the healing chem can do 50 million im sure theres possibilities there

[cerulean smelt]

@nocturne crown also going to assume you're doing this solo?

[obtuse crystal]

it does 100 damage without a headhunter stack

[nocturne crown]

Yea

[obtuse crystal]

i wish you luck agent

[nocturne crown]

I love you all agents

[obtuse crystal]

please record trying out the build on a mission

[harsh brook]

[nocturne crown]

Speaking of love…. Who is your favorite character?

[obtuse crystal]

zack

[cerulean smelt]

there's another pair of exotic gloves you can try "Exodus Gloves"
it's basically a get out of jail mechanic.
you lose your armor even when solo you go in a puff of smoke, drop out of combat things targeting will forget you exist for 3ish seconds

[nocturne crown]

Fay used to be my number one but Theo too goated

To be honest, he’s going to be a father so like props to him

[cerulean smelt]

think i like the grumpy guy in NY forget his name. his personality meshes with me as a grumpy old man these days

[harsh brook]

Clearly I need to find a list of exotics because I didn’t even know about these

[nocturne crown]

Are you talking about the one that was upset We was there in the first expansion pack?

[obtuse crystal]

paul rhodes?

[subtle bluff]

📌 Look at the Pineed Messages

[nocturne crown]

I HAVE THAT! Add a remind me of power hunter disappears, and reappears

[cerulean smelt]

thank you! yeah this guy 😹

[harsh brook]

Cheers boss

[nocturne crown]

When I get knock but hunter talm bout some “URGHEHEHE” so I just lay there as he drags a axe through my skull:

[cerulean smelt]

@nocturne crown you should look at the pinned messages here as well. there's a spreadsheet with a build hub for known working builds. tends to get updated every season if something they release is good enough

[nocturne crown]

Free real estate

The recipe and cookbook of the division itself

[cerulean smelt]

pretty much

[nocturne crown]

When Kelso is kinda bad but she knows I finance my builds 5000 E credits per month so I just sit there like a man on one side of the glass:

The memes aren’t so funny without the images

But just imagine, Tony Stark or whatever

[cerulean smelt]

i watched a dj do an iron man trilogy music video. was great

[nocturne crown]

Vid in DMs?

Or was this like a concert?

[cerulean smelt]

nah, just a guy who i liked since i saw his video for office space? the office movie? guy talking about taking a chick to a party and showing his "oh face" 😹

[nocturne crown]

Lmfao

This must be how it feels to talk to the gods…. All of the elders here to BESTOW their knowledge upon me some good some bad but all here to teach me a lesson… I low-key like the prime of the server

[subtle bluff]

guys #off-topic-discussions ...

[cerulean smelt]

but yeah, this server has some good vibes even with the internet trolls who try to disrupt those vibes

[nocturne crown]

OK, silver chariot

Speaking of Theo, where is he?

[obtuse crystal]

hes in brooklyn

[nocturne crown]

Oh

[cerulean smelt]

was he in brooklyn? i know he was in NY aka WONY

[nocturne crown]

I don’t got that DLC yet ….

[cerulean smelt]

oh right they needed his technical expertise didn't they?

[obtuse crystal]

yes hes there as a friend

[nocturne crown]

No, no we allegedly killed him, but he survived so we had to rescue him from some other place because him and the others had a bad reputation and manny interrogating him blah blah blah Keener got locked up and Theo somewhere

[cerulean smelt]

nah, paul isn't the type to go do dangerous things that could kill him. he's always been in the background in a safe place

but this kind of talk can go in Community if you want to continue it

[nocturne crown]

Fair

When the BFB dlc is 11 dollars but the crew pass in Fortnite is also $11 but all I have left is 22 so I have to sacrifice one of the other

[proper sigil]

how can i improve this skills loadout? my skills hit hard but not hard enough and my weapon damage is even worse

[subtle bluff]

You don't want to use Refactor Chest and BP

[cloud laurel]

You need to farm and get all 6 skill tier

[cloud laurel]

Why not? Have you done the math about refactor chest vs resolve yet?

[cerulean smelt]

left side chest talent, right is backpack talent
personally i feel it's worthless to just give yourself bonus armor instead of you and your teammates

[cloud laurel]

Backpack I’ve mixed with proxy and drop at where enemy spawn, turn your turret into Tesla but the 3m is just too small…

I’m asking have either of u had tested the refactor chest vs resolve yet?

[cerulean smelt]

oh and just reread backpack talent
you're mostly skill tier so 80% of what armor are you obtaining?

[cloud laurel]

Would be nice if proxy allow your turret to shot lighting lol

[cerulean smelt]

i don't think i ever did, but maybe i did and don't remember and just felt the set was DOA with how skills works in general

think in the range i did status effects with it and used like the fire sticky and managed to keep full armor while hitting that self harm button they provide on the right in the targeting range, but mission wise it flopped 😹

if you got ideas on how to make it more viable i'd be all ears for it, but what i tried i felt it lacked anything
never tried the one chow posted though so maybe my train of thought was purely skill damage and skills that can do constant damage

[cloud laurel]

Refactor make it name in LEG, as long as there an enemy to hit with drone or turret can be heal better than FI

[cerulean smelt]

you know people been wanting miniwarhounds
i was thinking it'd be nice if they gave it to us in the form of our turrets that was just throw out and it grows legs and walks around picking targets we shoot or on it's own would be awesome and probably give Refactor a purpose if our turrets can hit anything like the drone can for that consistent healing which i feel would give FI a run for it's money then

[subtle bluff]

Test what?

[subtle bluff]

Depends on your team.

[hexed steppe]

fit it with a decoy for my meme build

[meager fog]

Attaching EMP sticky to pet warhound

[foggy imp]

I need some advice on which direction I should go. Is it better to run tipping scale, overdog gloves and pestilence, orrrr the tinkerer mask with two good talents on a lmg

[patent fossil]

Probably the second will net more damage

[agile citrus]

A walking turret idea is prob not super great. its cute, but turrets have much higher dmg than striker drone. this is because you can pick it back up giving it ages of uptime. which introduces "chasing" your mini turret. Id say a tusk copter over the drone might be more realistic

I would iether offer a mini warhound skin, offer a brand new rng cycling miniwardog skill, offer a wardog companion, with interchangable weapon type (possily questable)

also a pet idea like in games like swtor of ff14 wouldnt hurt. leting a tiny companion who curiously looks around. even introducing an autoloot function for the backpacks and stuff. you may even set into it, "pick up loot" or "disassemble loot" which I think would save time, add quality of life and not break the game shouldnt work for loot like memento

[subtle bluff]

We have a guide for both in the Build Hub

[foggy imp]

Would you be willing to link it for me. I’m not seeing the build hub

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Message > Spreadsheet > Build Hub

[foggy imp]

I don’t even have pinned message on the tab

[agile citrus]

its link. then there are tabs

[subtle bluff]

You on mobile or desktop?

[foggy imp]

Mobile

[subtle bluff]

Tap on the channel name then go to pin

[agile citrus]

pin icon

Hitting #td2-build-advice

At the top brings you here

[foggy imp]

Thank you very much. Got it

[agile citrus]

my current boredom. 171% is mantis

I have a real addiction to augs... people really hated when I played csgo, I refused to buy m4 or ak -_-

[magic pilot]

@vestal ibex you should try this out

[chrome cradle]

How am I cooking gud looking

[astral kraken]

looks great

[cerulean smelt]

right step so far, but only need 4 strikers

[chrome cradle]

It’s not like this trust

[chrome cradle]

I got the exotic mask on and ceska knees

[magic pilot]

Step 1 convert build to Div 1

[chrome cradle]

Old pic

[chrome cradle]

I am not using my old shield build 😭

I don’t have a newer pic of my build but it does well. Only problem I have is being a glass cannon (I’ll fix later)

[cerulean smelt]

i would love a D3fenc3 gearset in div 2 (> <)

like make the 2 pc be something like 10-25% Haz Pro, 3 pc SMG damage, 4pc allow us to use SMG's while equipped with Bulwark shield. backpack talent maybe can be build up haz pro stacks 😹
for those that want to use backfire can use it with this set and not worry about bleeding

[cloud laurel]

Sigh yeah you better stay solo where you good at, random grp in leg isn’t what you expected. Depend on my team or depend on random ppl who enjoy playing coop together and have fun. Your saying depend on ppl gears and don’t need healer right? Well okay if I see u in my random leg im glad vote to kick you out. It’s how ppl play and not are all like you are dps type. Which is why they have us set to play with. So arrogant

[agile citrus]

chow is pretty good at group content, even in situations where their clueless. But I will say, like me he tends to pull out more, omnipotent builds in these cases.

[chrome cradle]

God I play too much Warframe. Builds are super different and it’s messing with my head

[agile citrus]

because I run a lot of rmming or solo content, the omni builds I make are usually designed to not hotswap and they offer some level of passive selfsustain as well as support skill. such as riot foam, chem reinforcer, shield etc. this lets me support rmming without trying to "muh deeps" and letting them fend for themselves

[cerulean smelt]

i'ved tried that game and couldn't get into it honestly

[agile citrus]

1 trick pony builds dont do support so hot. its more "dead things dont shoot back" this is nice, but other teammates like being noticed

[chrome cradle]

It takes a bit to do so. They changed a lot tho this month

Made new players get into the game a lot easier

[cerulean smelt]

though i do like the concept that it's a free game and most things you can get free in the game as well, but just felt too grindy for my standards

[vestal ibex]

Ain't nobody got time for dat.

[astral kraken]

99% pug tm8s are lacking in dps so the best support you can provide is dps

[cloud laurel]

Sure he does lol

[red island]

need 2 striker guns imo

[chrome cradle]

No bullet king all the way

[subtle bluff]

I said that because some groups are either newer or more experienced with leggo content. The support role has a lot of flexible in its build and ability to support the team or be passive. To me, Refactor is a hybrid build with heals and DPS. Refactor can be good as a healer too since it doesn’t need LoS for heals and with the right gameplay can be very efficient. It does lack healing burst and consistency at it due Drone/Turrets.

Some teams only need some healing, some need a lot more of it, and other just wants the buffs. I actually pride myself has a really good support player that can support “carry” teams thru leggo or master. To a degree, of course. It’s also why my FI Healer guide was my first guide I made because I like to say understand it very well.

I am the type to say DPS is king, but a support player can make up for a loss of DPS player but with buffs or just giving the DPS players easier time at doing DPS. I will IDK where you got me being arrogant in one line, but I guess without context, sure.

[magic pilot]

I've chow carry some insane LFG groups, he's done his fair share of RMM from what I've seen

[cerulean smelt]

devs should give @onyx sage a patch they can hand out to players he approves (> <)

[astral kraken]

can confirm

[astral kraken]

i want a unique averageplayer outfit. is that too much to ask?!

[buoyant perch]

that's just a transparent glass suit

[astral kraken]

hahaha

[hexed steppe]

Tf
So many questionable choices here.
But the main one... why neuter your build like this? Something with frontloaded damage would be so much better. highend will likely hit harder than this config and will support both weapons so much better...
💀

[agile citrus]

The sniper can hit up to 20 million to 23 million. The AUG is completely my choice. Obviously someone else would use like a Lexington or something. But it's a meta build. It hits 50% the rest of it slammed into critical dmg

Also the decoy offers high survivability when paired with mantis, and the gunner is selected for survivability armor on kill good signature weapon damage, as well as increased fire rate on kill

The only issue here, is instead of obliterate or a glass cannon, I went with headhunter to allow for a use for the mantis. The other thing is that, with the mantis natural statin effect it has its own headshot damage. Allowing it to work without excessive amounts of headshot stat. Last but not least, even though headhunter is not an ideal or optimal talent for the chest, if you kill something with a headshot your next shot will be like three times the damage of your normal bullet. And this is to both body and head

Also, you can completely forgo any crit chance stat, if you use finisher as your pistol. In this case I'm not

[red island]

it def isnt meta

its a mix of 2 meta builds, that have 0 similarities, so you lost a ton of stats

[astral kraken]

combining striker with hh/mmr is definitely a choice

[red island]

u prefer crit on striker, headshot and handling on snipers, u cant have all 4 stats on gear, especially gear sets

[astral kraken]

it's like putting monster truck tires on a formula 1 car

[red island]

nah, its rather putting monster truck tires on a rocket u wanna send on the moon

[agile citrus]

The build is not meta. But if you change the hh to it obliterate it would be

That's the only stat that we have to be changed. In terms of weapon handling, useful but not really when you have mantis. But this is purely my own choice, if others find the need for it that's their stuff

[red island]

u also need to change mantis

[agile citrus]

Sure. I did say though at one point, the weapon choices were mine. But yeah, you might change it to ACS-12 or a dark winter, or many different choices

[red island]

and u said its a meta build

[agile citrus]

The more point I wanted to say when I made the mention meta, is all the mods are crit damage. It hits 50% crit chance. And it's made from Striker ceska and memento

[red island]

meta build doesnt mean 50% crit chance

it means the entire build, not just mods or crit chance

[agile citrus]

Hey. Where did I say it was meta? I'm not questioning it I'm trying to find it. Cuz I'm sure I put a context in

[red island]

here

[agile citrus]

Oh I found it. When I said that meta build, I meant it was possible to use it that way. Because all you have to do is change headhunter to obliterate. And then alter the weapons choices

If what I said was taken that way, I apologize. I wasn't trying to state that by itself it's a better choice. I was trying to state that chest talent would be have to be changed, and that the weapon choices are mine

[red island]

no need to apoligize, its ok

[hexed steppe]

What's the first cold shot look like... the start of the chain matters way more than top end damage...
Honestly it would be better as hotshot, even if you kept memento , and let the aug take advantage of all the handling rather than splitting your crit and hsd

[agile citrus]

The first bullet from Mantis hits about 5 million. I think it comes just short at like 4.9

[hexed steppe]

I have doubt

[agile citrus]

It's enough to kill a red, in heroic four men

[red island]

and if there is no red ?

[agile citrus]

You're always welcome to shoot them with your gun, and then change to mantis. But keep in mind you're using a mantis. So likely a decoy is out

[cerulean smelt]

AKA no red, no striker stacks

[agile citrus]

The second shot, is about 10 million. I think, using sharpshooter might be fun, due to the signature weapon maxing out the headhunter on the first shot. But it annoys me. Scopes annoy me.

[red island]

mantis has a scope tho

[hexed steppe]

Mantis is no striker stacks. So what's actual first cold shot. A ss with no stacks and a ss with full striker stacks would be suitable to shut me up about it... just claiming something doesn't mean a lot if it isn't be backed up somehow

[agile citrus]

Mantis is an exception. Because it plays with decoy. There's something else going on with this build, that I'm not willing to talk about because the weapon choices are personal. But that's all

Normally I run bighorn with SR1

[hexed steppe]

[cerulean smelt]

so more severe gaslight nods we see

[hexed steppe]

I wouldnt keep claiming things if you won't back it up. Js

Its not how we do business here

[subtle bluff]

To with his builds.. It's a "solo build." That doesn't really scale well but to his own gameplay.

[cerulean smelt]

or "i carry people build" but looking i'm like doubtfully carrying people

[magic pilot]

@subtle bluff group play

[agile citrus]

When I'm off work, I'll bring in some numbers. Screenshots etc. But anyone can make this, and test it themselves. I also want to say that my mantis is not maxed out, and I think that's relevant

[hexed steppe]

I bet it make this later tonight and it performs poorly. Not like I dont have the resources to max something out as a proof. Its just better coming from the source

[red island]

the problem isnt the optimization on your gear, its the gear

[subtle bluff]

It's not like we can't get the numbers ourselves.

[hexed steppe]

Make the claims after you have evidence to prove it is all im saying. Every build gets scrutinized when it looks sus

And that looks sus af

[patent fossil]

I thought it was fairly well established now that car's builds are a fair way away from meta and that's fine, that's how they want to play.
Getting all worked up because stronger options are available is pointless.

[hexed steppe]

Established with regulars...

[astral kraken]

the build is combining striker hh and mmr

[hexed steppe]

Lots of new agents could be wasting resources

[astral kraken]

its not like its some build with synergy that does less damage or something

it makes no sense, which is fine... but you cant blame ppl for saying it makes no sense lol

[hexed steppe]

Pushback is to get solid evidence its good, or show that its questionable

[subtle bluff]

But it goes back to almost anything is viable deal. It probably works... is there another way of doing it... Yes.

[astral kraken]

yup

but it's not like it's some yellow picaro's with memento etc to get 6 skill tier and still do damage. yea that's suboptimal but it makes sense.

putting hh with striker is like... why...

[red island]

i seen too many people with horrible build expertise 30 on all parts

[hexed steppe]

Kinda like a youtube build

[agile citrus]

Just to answer questions

No memento: AR: about 200k w/o c, 400k c, mantis 4.2-3m/9m/18-9m

Memento: AR 450k w/o c, 800k with. 1.2m HS. Mantis, about 4.9m/9.8m/21-22m

If you can't get mantis going, spray your target, get armor gone. Remember if an enemy head wiggles, their head goes back to the og position when they stop

[hazy steeple]

I'd recommend investing in some paragraphs if you want someone to read that block.

[agile citrus]

That's fair.

I'll change it to something more literate later. Kind of busy, in real life

[hazy steeple]

Next time I recommend editing before you drop a 1300 character post in #td2-build-advice

People here tend to avoid anything that looks like a text block, most just assume a bot got through.

[agile citrus]

👆

I'll avoid just rushing next time, and take time when I'm not busy

[meager fog]

3 mod active in build advice in one hour...something interesting must have happened 😆

[magic pilot]

Striker headhunter happened lol

[hazy steeple]

I heard a car crash outside, and it made me think of some of the builds I've seen in here lately.

[meager fog]

Im not even going to go look...it'll make me mad 🤣

All i see in here is a lot of "blocked messages" 🤣

[cerulean smelt]

@meager fog you know you want to hit that - Show button to read out of purely morbid curiosity

[meager fog]

I'm not a fan of bleaching my eyeballs

[agile citrus]

I'm sad. I can't make a heart to his message

[magic pilot]

Being blocked will do that

[agile citrus]

It was meant for a skill issue tactical set. It was never meant to be meta, just suits csgo and val backround

It's not viable for anything higher than heroic 4 man and requires higher skill past 3+ players.

But it is nice to pop on an Elmo , change chest talent and acs 12 to hot swap to raiding, I cursion etc

[haughty flame]

New meta?

[astral kraken]

life is a flat circle

[cerulean smelt]

you mean earth?

[astral kraken]

well yes that too

[hexed steppe]

I'm always here rookie

[cloud laurel]

Fairly explained

[cloud laurel]

I’ve read all the discussions of this build and was thought it was about leg yet this is for heroic, why bother with mantis or decoy? Any build can run heroic without the hassle of going thru all of this stuff.

[red island]

we already know everything can clear heroic, even grey lvl 2 gear

[proper sigil]

Is that confirmed

[red island]

yes, there are videos of people doing it

it took them forever obv but they managed

[cloud laurel]

I like to make alt to play few mission just to have a feeling of struggling being a noob then deleted after.

[meager fog]

Didn't take AP that long at all

But yes, literally ANYTHING can clear heroic, if the pilot is good enough

[magic pilot]

@proper sigil this is with 2-3 directives as well

It's also been done on legendary DUA, using 6 piece of grey armor and st Elmo's

[agile citrus]

Cuz fun. Also it can Lego solo btw

It hits the cap for elite tier 1 in solo lego

I actually... If I remember correctly (I prob don't) it was made for solo lego.

@meager fog this is for my best man. He caught me, my reddit account is where I was born and raised.

[subtle bluff]

How much is your one shot again?

[agile citrus]

I think with 0 memento first room, with mantis it's like 18.3 or something

I haven't checked in ages. It's close to SR1 but I need to check when I get home

Important disclaimer. Mantis with no headshot investment only does this damage, if not looking at you is applied. I think it only does like 16 mil cap, if they're looking at you. Meaning they have the red halo on their head

[subtle bluff]

Gonna call you out in general of solo a leggo .

[agile citrus]

That's okay. I think the farthest I got, was... So in title, I got to... I think I died, and got so frustrated that I quit at the room where in the normal heroic version, you have to destroy the... NO! I will never forget that day. I died at the slope, with the 50 tanks. I had gotten so far, and I was just done. I figured it wasnt worth it. And DUA I got to.. I'm 90% sure I finished, but I can't remember. I know the run that I have memories of getting past the tank room

I never tested Manning, I have next to no experience with Lego. And in capital... I think I got to the roof. The cleaners,.. I don't remember. But I think DUA was the only clear, the other ones were just frustration counters

[subtle bluff]

I'd like a replay 1st and chunga charge.

[agile citrus]

The big carry, is the demo. I use the demo to remove the grenaders and the drone girls.

So it just comes down to a fight. I'll see if I can get a recording. At least up until the point that I remember.

And I always use a decoy, till tanks are dead and then swap the demo.. I'm still so mad that I cannot get my demo strong enough to break the gold tanks treads

[strong cave]

You should take a day off

[subtle bluff]

Till posted won't engage with your post.

[agile citrus]

For clarificationthis build never cleared jack. As I said, these weapons are chosen for something. The build that cleared stuff was 4 piece striker, all cc, aldy chest, 1 HS, 3 HS mods, BH and SR1 with kard custom plus the 20% skill/wd talent and memeto

[strong cave]

Chow being chow as always

[hexed steppe]

No rest for the wicked

[strong cave]

Correct, because it has a better uptime compared to Vigilance

[subtle bluff]

I said in general. Not the build.

[red island]

please let the musical die already its been long enough

[meager fog]

Just block. EZ out

[agile citrus]

Wuts chunga charge btw

Is it the 3 chunga hallway after 1st wave second room?

Or is it in the bar

[subtle bluff]

I'll take both

[red island]

in a fight, right ?

[magic pilot]

oh yall meant fight?

[agile citrus]

Bruh I was gonna make some washed joke, then I had a REVELATION!!! Your washed cuz you washed after being sweaty af

It actually came from something !!

[red island]

I dont think that's what it came from

[hexed steppe]

For clarification you kinda claimed it could...

I kinda think stuff like this is why you get the responses you do.

So feel free to claim stuff, but please actually have something to back it up... things like screenshots or shorts

I'll be making that build when I log and do some testing. I doubt it stands up but looking forward to being surprised if it does

[subtle bluff]

I'll honest when I've played with him the past on leggo the gameplay did show that he could solo it but I don't mind being proven wrong. But also this is why I called him out.

I'm a avg player but I haven't recorded any of my solo leggo runs but I've never claimed I've done due to note having proof of it.

[hexed steppe]

With the original setup I responded too, there are too many factors working against eachother to overcome. I don't think accurate information was given, why I wanted ss. The backpedaling on leg claims leads me to think this is mostly fantasy...

[onyx sage]

just be like me, claim to solo lego when in fact i let my dog do it

[hexed steppe]

Tamed warhounds FTW!

[silent storm]

What are good builds for Conflict?

[subtle bluff]

#td2-pvp-discussions may get you an answer quicker

[silent storm]

That place seems pretty dead. I just have never done Conflict, maybe 2 hours tops in it.

[hexed steppe]

@magic pilot 👆

[silent storm]

Got the event going on now and I love getting loads of Caches lol

[jade quest]

ik this is the wrong group technically but its more active here. Is anyone trying to run paradise lost with me? I've never actually got to do it cant get a group

[silent storm]

That the one with the warhounds?

[solar sable]

try out the GCrock discord tho

[jade quest]

GCrock? never heard of it but ill look. thx

[solar sable]

veeery active server with FTC support and casual runs

[subtle bluff]

I replied to me in the channel.

[chrome cradle]

How’s my cooking

Ultra glass cannon rn but I’ll work on it

Just need to optimize all of it

[subtle bluff]

Striker Chest isn't the best here.

[chrome cradle]

Any suggestions

[subtle bluff]

Switch it for Ceska and get oblitrate on it.

[chrome cradle]

Ok uh how does one get obliterate

[subtle bluff]

Since you're really fresh still
Do you know how your library works?

[magic pilot]

I've been playing a ton lol

[magic pilot]

I had a game against him last night

[chrome cradle]

I know how it works but I just don’t know how to get that stuff

Do I like sacrifice armor parts to it?

[silent storm]

Yeah I want to play for the EXP event but man I just get massacred there as all my builds are PvE

[agile citrus]

I need to clarify this. Because this is fair. This build, is a modified version of my bighorn. Purely so that I can wield the mantis and the quick step, and invisible hand. It's not important why, all I'm saying is if you really want me to use the mantis and the invisible hand I can imagine that it would actually not matter that much. And I'd be happy to do that,.

[subtle bluff]

Countdown Target Farming

[agile citrus]

In the meantime. I'm almost home, so I'll provide the basic screenshots of the damage

[silent storm]

3 PC Breaking Point worth it over Fox's Prayer?

[chrome cradle]

What target is obliterate?

[silent storm]

Build in question

[subtle bluff]

Chest

[chrome cradle]

Ok

[solar sable]

IIRC 2pc Breaking 2 zwia overdogs and fox's
idrk...

[silent storm]

What ever brand vest you want it on

[magic pilot]

PvP builds will help ya out

[subtle bluff]

Either or

[magic pilot]

2 breaking point isn't worth

[solar sable]

so I was actually wrong lol

[magic pilot]

1 prov, 1 habs, 2 Zwia, overdogs, fox

[silent storm]

So no PGC PV?

[silent storm]

What's the habs piece? what Talent for chest?

I figure keep the PV and change chest because 2 Zwai mask and holster will be easy farm

Actually I have this

[solar sable]

damn

[magic pilot]

for headshot

if crit i would just run OD i think

[silent storm]

So put HH on that piece and keep CHC CHD?

This is what that 2 BP build is doing on Named in the SR

Too bad they don't let you load the range up with PvP targets

Seems like an oversight

Maybe in Division 3 that will be my feedback for the alpha

[agile citrus]

I'm considering swapping out the striker for OD by the way. I haven't figured it out, but thoughts. I need to find out whether the chest and backpack are needed for OD. Suggestions are of course welcome. I don't want to make the set only to find out that I can't run Memento and headhunter

ouch. 20% if no bp

[honest moss]

Yeah for OD the chest is usually a go to, backpack is for bleed iirc so can at least miss that out

I run crit rifles OD with tink, pretty good dps with talents up.

[agile citrus]

oh chest. but yyy cant

[honest moss]

Well anyway best of luck with ya build, agent

[agile citrus]

mantis, no memento, hh climb @hexed steppe

oops, dum chat shut off starter.

[subtle bluff]

What's different that would be static for PVP target?

[agile citrus]

IH w/o crit, w crit. no memento

Im going to go get chows clips, and use the chat for memento

[subtle bluff]

Go try that on leggo elite.

I mean heck I want the replay of it all and I'll shut up.

[honest moss]

Idk if this is what they mean but pvp numbers are nerfed by a modifier for like 3.7x or something. I think it depends on the item ofcourse. Not 100% sure obviously either.

[agile citrus]

right is body shot, left is hs, IH full striker. Mantis or sr-1 are never using striker for stacks. so this wont be purposefully showcased. hh gives 2.5m hs for IH next hit

[subtle bluff]

Why I am asking him why he thinks this.

[silent storm]

After a couple tweaks to this #td2-build-advice message raised the DPS a couple mil.

[chrome cradle]

@subtle bluff I did it

[agile citrus]

starting. as per @hexed steppe Ill use IH/mantis, will be more annoying than determined, but he made a point and Ithink itll be fine. its not super weaker than bh/sr-1

[silent storm]

The DMG profiles

16 mil DPS looks great, but you aren't getting that on players

Is Invisible Hand good now or something?

[agile citrus]

STOOPID MODIFIERS

[subtle bluff]

Kneelpads to Strikes and you're good to go!

[chrome cradle]

Yes sir!

[subtle bluff]

What does that mean?!

[silent storm]

You do less DMG to players

[subtle bluff]

For more references and stuff if you go to the Pinned Messages > Spreadsheet. You'll find a bunch of good info in there. In the build Hub you'll see more guides and stuff for it all

[chrome cradle]

Thx

[subtle bluff]

what's that number?

[silent storm]

less

[subtle bluff]

Number? or Fact?

Do you know what that is even?

[silent storm]

your WD against players

[subtle bluff]

lol

[silent storm]

So the description is wrong?

I was saying we should have a player target in the shooting range so we can se the DPS against players EzPz

[agile citrus]

sigh. CHASING THE LAST stupid mob with mantis while he runs like a chicken up and down ladders before first heli drop is driving me insnae last update till results

[gloomy spruce]

He's got the Div 2 equivalent of Air Bud living with him.

[silent storm]

Perfectly Wicked should be 20% WD not more time

Maybe 23% DMG

[agile citrus]

oh. Im not washed. huh. color me surprised. holy

[cinder wedge]

hot damn that health bar

strikers build?

[agile citrus]

nvm. I died to a dum red who ignore decoy. Ill keep trying tho

@subtle bluffyou want the chungus recording? Ima be real.. I was trolled by the med guys. mantis is suuuuch a pain

[cerulean smelt]

it would be nice. who knows how many people put a pvp build together. hit the range and see an insane number and is like that's good. go pvp and damage is completely different

[foggy imp]

Strega only good if you can keep kills up?

[agile citrus]

eh I should get sleep anyway. Ill try maybe tomorrow. see how deep I get

[hexed steppe]

thanks for posting up all the info. in a similar setup i was able to hit round 6mil 1st hits so ig you werent too far off. i personally still dont like it tho

[agile citrus]

after this tho, Ill prob only share through dm's. its my favorite build, tho the bh and sr-1 is just a bit better and easier. yyy, gn

[hexed steppe]

thats fair, it can get pretty rough fr, but it comes from a place of passion for building. gn

[agile citrus]

no invisible hand means something to me personaly. I dont recommend it. its the unamed variant of bh so its a must if I need another exo that isnt ar shrug I think its a good gun, just not meta. the div aug spray, recoil and handling resonate with me. I dont use handling mods on it.

[silent storm]

I love the Pyromaniac and people constantly tell me that isn't good so I get you.

I like to use it in Trauma builds so I constantly apply status effects to people. People are like just get St. Elmos and I'm like sure drop one for me

Also, I don't know what bh is

[agile citrus]

its bighorn.

[silent storm]

Oh, yeah that's a good gun

I like mine but haven't used it much as so many LMGs and rifles seem better

[agile citrus]

in csgo I mained aug, I was bad in the beginning, so I never learned grenades and wanted scope. it was my first m&k fisrt person game ever. the draw to augs never wore off. div just happens to have an amazing 1!

bh is comfort food, so is IH

[silent storm]

AUG is awesome in CSGO, 4x is nice

I buy it every round I have the money

[agile citrus]

Its such a good gun. it has a lot of recoil control (in csgo lol) and the dual use of scope with 1 tap at pointblank and 10 hp far away, so good

[silent storm]

I got it to this point and haven't decided yet if I want to max it or just throw EX comp at it to reroll for perfect. If I get another drop I might do the reroll but I have so much to upgrade this has taken a back seat

[agile citrus]

finiding bh on div in my first year thx to @cloud laurel learning it rewarded headshots, with bigger dmg, had no "skill" output elmo shock, iron lung fire etc and the fact that it came with inherent skill issue that complmenmted my habit (accurate range of like 15M)

[sour robin]

I've mostly played this game solo. Trying to go with a PVE skill build that can also carry over into PvP in the dark zone. Any recommendations? I've been playing for a while but I'm going to be honest I really don't know what I'm doing I'm just existing I suppose.

[agile citrus]

I would say if you dont use it, dont. its strong enough on its own, to compliment any hot swap. but if you like it, its recoil, its weird duality of a dmr and an ar, and they way the only bonus is get is more dmg, if you hs, maxing it has very good uses. hs chains going up to 5m, for hs builds and over 1m for crit builds

[silent storm]

I was told this is the little Big Horn but I have been unimpressed with it's performance.

[agile citrus]

most here are better at "improving" builds and defo pvp. but I will say, signature weapons dont work in pvp, and TotS doesnt generate sig weapon ammo in pvp either

[silent storm]

I get almost 5 mil HS on my LWM4

[sour robin]

Ok. Thank you.

So what exactly is a signature weapon?

Tots?

[agile citrus]

hahahahahah lil horn is a meme. its a f-exo that was released on april fools. but yeh thats pretty good at faking the effect and trash handling. but invisible hand is literally the non exo variant of bighorn, it doesnt have the same effect or even game style

[agile citrus]

the set you use with the spear inside the diamond. its called "tip of the spear" and its set up is to generate signature weapon, such as your big crossbow.

[silent storm]

This is why I fell for the meme

The HS DMG looks great, on paper

The gun in use is worse than an AK though

[sour robin]

Oh ok. Yeah that makes sense. Thank you for your feedback. I really appreciate it! 🙏🏽

[agile citrus]

its prob legit the closest to bighorn a named will ever get. BH is such an interesting design. it has vast potenial to be sooooo op vs others and yet... yeh. me and bighorn are like... soulmates. NOT irl, ducks duo but like in game

forever disappointments, but somehow kinda good at most things

[silent storm]

I like the Big Horn I just haven't used it because as an exotic I was not impressed. Specially since I have Bluescreen Bullet King Pestilence Chatterbox which all seem to just kill without having to scope in. I am not against scoping in as I use Sharpshooter Scope often but my build just might not give Big Horn what it needs to excell.

[agile citrus]

I should clarify "f-exo" littlehorn was a literal exo, that was fake. it could be disassembled, but it couldnt be equipted. it looked exactly like the bighorn, in your inventory.

[agile citrus]

bh isnt that ideal in general. its similar to rav, but more fun and viable. still niche af unless you like it or are using it on a build that calls for it. 4piece striker, all hs and a mission with no headgear glares at incursion

[silent storm]

Still like my Baker's Dozen or LWM4 with Rifleman

I think the problem I have been having with The Bighorn is that I don't really have an AR DMG build. LMG, Rifle, SMG I have those builds but never built a DPS AR build because I use AR's mostly on skill builds

[subtle bluff]

For skills builds for PvP are much different than in PvE. Skill rarely can go in solo for PvP You need to just keep playing before worrying about PvP play .

[subtle bluff]

No there's actually a weapon call Little Horn

[sour robin]

I've been playing since launch.

I've just ran through the game without any actual build but want to try that now.

[silent storm]

Depends, because PvP in the DZ is way different than Conflict. I like the DZ PvP a lot but not really a fan of Conflict.

[subtle bluff]

So you've played thru everything?

[sour robin]

Conflict? Is that new. Man. I take a few months break and boom learn some new things.

[subtle bluff]

idk about way different but they are.

[agile citrus]

I think a better way to take @subtle bluff is to consider, pvp is like... to be "successfully" you have to be very good at pve. and your build, suggests you have more to learn before then. but asking for idea is defo a good step for anyone

[silent storm]

no it's been here since launch but is just 4v4 slaughter fests

and in the way back was just hackers killing you in spawn all game

[sour robin]

Through all the Story and both DLCs yes but not everything else on multiple different characters on both PlayStation and Xbox. Mostly play on my PlayStation. I used to have a friend that I would play this game with quite a bit and we would stay up for days grinding and playing.

[agile citrus]

the bigger issue, is in pvp, most people have played for ages and its really unbalanced. your gonna be frustrated unless pve is ez to you. and even then

[sour robin]

Alright thank you.

[subtle bluff]

I'm confused at this statement.

[sour robin]

I guess I didn't know about it. I've done just the story and the story for both DLCs and I've played some of this one thing where you go up different floors and there's like a hundred floors I've done that quite a bit. I don't know it just was really fun. I might have done some other things I take breaks here and there from the game.

[subtle bluff]

DZ is Open PvP and PvE
Conflict is team PvP

[sour robin]

☠️ ☠️ ☠️

[silent storm]

Honestly the problem with PvP in The Division in general is that hackers have ran rampant since launch of the beta of The Division and Massive has never really stopped it

[agile citrus]

maybe Im being dumb, but I thought your comment on "just keep playing before ~~ pvp" was because his build suggests, a laid back appraoch to combat. and I think he took it as an assumption of "new shd" or player

[subtle bluff]

It's on and off but it's pretty bad. The bans are really slow to happened.

[sour robin]

Yeah PvE is pretty easy for me. The only thing I struggle with are Hunters especially when I'm dealing with more than one Hunter. I can deal with a single Hunter but the moment there's multiple hunters it's different. I've only killed for hunters I believe since I only have four of their masks.

[agile citrus]

you should take some time to learn lego. itll prep you for dz enemies!

[subtle bluff]

More or less. There's a lot general gameplay and learning he should do if he's that low of SHD unless it's a new account.

[sour robin]

That's depressing.

[subtle bluff]

So you've solo a heroic stronghold already?

[sour robin]

Lego? What's that?

[sour robin]

The end game content? Yes.

[subtle bluff]

that's not really end game content.

[agile citrus]

hahahah something I ran into a wall like 5 times tonight, solo. head still hurts

[silent storm]

Like, I remember my first time ever even entering the DZ and I got beamed by an AK from downtown and then respawning to a different gate and then getting beamed by the same guy

[subtle bluff]

End game is Incursion, Raids and legendary.

[agile citrus]

lego is short for legendary

[agile citrus]

^ this symbol is for legendary

[silent storm]

That's why I always laughed at people who talk about being a god at Division PvP. Because The Division is a PvE game lol

[sour robin]

Ok. Thank you.

[agile citrus]

go into a legendary and work on beating them. legendary can have a lot of similarity to players. very high dmg, group attacks, better ai, synced group tacitcs etc

[silent storm]

It's the truth, Massive has dropped the ball for a decade of PvP where a great portion of the game is going into a zone where there is PvP

Like DZ is only better now because the game pop is so low hackers have moved on and those still here are easy to avoid with server swaps

[agile citrus]

a lot of tactics that work in lego, will help you vs players. everything from line of sighting the enemy, to skill cancel abilitys, to using builds that one trick a strat. this is how most pvp builds are, very rock paper scissors in div

[sour robin]

Alright I will do that.

As for my build I mostly do like a control the battlefield type build which is why I run with the electric mines and the hive stinger. I lay out the mines so that enemies can't flank me and the stinger and a different direction so that they take damage trying to flank me from another direction so I can kind of control the flow of battle. I really enjoy lmgs as for my secondary weapon honestly I switch weapons so often it just really depends on the circumstances but I mostly run with an lmg. I really enjoyed the fire specialization but I ended up switching to the crossbow specialization since after I did some testing to me from what I've seen it does the most damage out of the specializations that I have access to. I don't have tactician and I don't have Gunner I didn't buy those yet.

[sour robin]

Alright that's really good to know. Thank you! I look forward to improving so I can try my luck in the dark zone again. I don't think I have successfully killed anyone in the dark zone not that I can remember at least and I'm not sure if there's a way for me to check. But I like to go in the dark zone and fight enemies in there and every so often I run into Rogue agents and they usually curve stop me mostly because they catch me off guard in fact that's literally every single time.

[sour robin]

Is it that way on Console as well or just on PC?

[solar sable]

Since you launched your console on 😹

[cerulean smelt]

Btw the other 3bspecializations can be obtained for free

@sour robin the 3 specializations to unlock are basically projects like find this particular boss and destroy all his armor before killing him kind of thing

[sour robin]

Since I preordered the game on Xbox then switched to playing it on PlayStation a while after launch. With my ADHD I don't stick to one game for very long I switch from multiple different games. I also only ever did the story, strongholds and dlc. Didn't do much of the other content in the game. But that's mostly because I didn't really know anything about it like that contest mode or whatever it was called I didn't even know that was in the game.

[sour robin]

Yes I know. I have all but two of the ones I have to pay for. I know a lot of people run those too but from what I've seen of them and what I've heard from others about them they just don't really seem like my playstyle.

Thank you for letting me know though.

[cerulean smelt]

well, even if you bought them, you'd have them unlocked but you'd still have to play them to obtain the points to spend in the perks anyways. so to me it's kind of waste of money

[sour robin]

I have them all unlocked and fully upgraded. I can switch between them. The only ones I don't currently have is both tactician and Gunner.

[cerulean smelt]

yes, that's the ones i'm telling you about. those can be obtained free through a project and then you play them to get the points to spend in perks like usual
even if you bought the year 1 pass you'd have them unlocked but you'd still have to play them to get those points fo the perks is all i'm explaining

[sour robin]

For firewall the only thing I didn't do was the field research, I've only done one out of the five. As for why it says 140 out of 165 not too sure as I have it fully upgraded where it won't let me upgraded any further so maybe I have to do the field research.

[sour robin]

Oh didn't know I didn't have to pay for them. That's pretty cool. Thank you for letting me know. I appreciate that.

[cerulean smelt]

nods just trying to save you the money

[cerulean smelt]

see how your firewall has a 4 at the bottom, then above that a blueprint and cap? the 4 represesnts the 4 of the 5 project objectives you've completed for it. 1-5 gives various things away each step, you started the gunner one which you have 4 more objectives to go through and havent' started technician yet

[sour robin]

I wish I knew that a lot sooner before spending money on the firewall. I absolutely loved the firewall but I felt like I ran out of fuel way too quickly and it just didn't feel nearly as strong as the beginning three specializations. From my personal testing as long as I land a headshot the crossbow does the most or maybe it was the second most damage. Same with the sniper it did the most or maybe it was the second most damage with the demolitionist not coming close to those two. Firewall I don't remember how it performed compared to the demolitionist. I also just don't really care for the skill that comes with firewall.

[sour robin]

Ok yeah I see that now. Thank you for pointing that out. I didn't even know I started those so I appreciate that.

[cerulean smelt]

long time ago that firewall skill was extremely strong

not sure how people did it, but having the firewall shield and a talent on chosen weapon In Sync your damage went up significantly, but at some point devs decided to make in sync unusable with shields anymore so it kind of fell flat for firewall aside the armor kit

[sour robin]

Yeah I remember that it started out pretty strong and it felt strong when I first used it and then after I came back to playing the game which was right before this latest DLC dropped and sometime after warlords of New York it didn't feel very strong anymore it just felt like it was underperforming and I felt like I just kept dying anytime I would try to use it so I end up switching to survivalist and so far I absolutely love it I just need to practice more on landing my shots with the crossbow a little bit more but even if I don't land headshots body shots are still pretty good and even if I can get it close to the enemy even if I don't directly hit them still deals pretty good considerable damage. I've always enjoyed using my skills the most in the game so I've always liked the skill builds and and pretty much every game I play I almost always play DPS the exception is Marvel Rivals I play all three roles. I really likes survivalists pistol and I like some of the perks it gets I also really like it's grenade.

[sour robin]

I've heard really good things about tactician and that if I wanted to do more of a skill build to run with that but I just don't really care for the missile launcher it would be really cool we could mix and match the different specializations that would be amazing.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, unfortunately the whole specialization rework got canned at some point. we didn't hear how it was going to be. i assumed it was just we pick a specialization then we got to pick the mods, grenades and the usual 3 weapon perk deal maybe which would've been awesome

[hexed steppe]

the best skill builds use demo anyways 😎

-# Mortar Supremacy

but realistically, as long as you have 6 skilltiers you can run whatever spec you want. i regularly run gunner class on turret/drone setups to utilize the armor on kill.

[hoary atlas]

i did replace Lexington with St Elmo Because increase CHC and CHD. also im use 3 Damage and 3 Armor for Balance

[hexed steppe]

little too much armor for my taste but looks good

i run nego in the same config, the transfer really makes overdogs shine... but they good on any dps imho

[sour robin]

Oh man that's really disappointing to hear. Like extremely disappointing.

[sour robin]

Why is that if you don't mind me asking? Why you think demo is the best for skill builds.

Ok. Thank you.

Right now I'm running the electric Mind trap in the stinger hive drone. I'm more of a control the flow of the battlefield type of player for this game in particular. I like controlling the flow of where enemies are coming and then just mowing them down with an lmg. If I'm in a building sometimes I'll use a shotgun along with the lmg and if I'm in a more open environment I can use either an assault rifle rifle or whatever. I think the thing I don't use very often are submachine guns.

[hexed steppe]

try a mortar setup. mine may be a bit extra with the unicorns, but you can run 3 empress/1china/1wyvern or 1 hanna (force multiplier)/btsu gloves and have similar results.
i use this in a similar fashion, tbh. stinger is area control for a zone around me or placed to trap a spawn and mortar raining hell wherever i want 😎 . mortar in this config is only 10sec cooldown, but with btsu you can plan your oc to instantly have mortar back and overcharged. you already know about stinger and being able to throw it out whenever even if only partial charged

[hexed steppe]

requires good timing and npc behavior knowledge to really maximize damage output

[subtle bluff]

SMG Rush!

[solar sable]

mortar supremacy just grows more and more 🫠

[hexed steppe]

every. single. day.

the flock grows

[sour robin]

Alright I will definitely try this out. I made a few different characters to try out a few different builds. So I'm definitely going to try this out. This looks like it could be very promising. How does this do in PvP in the dark zone?

[hexed steppe]

im not the one to ask, im pve 100% of the time, but ig conflict devolves into skill builds. ill let my betters answer that proper for you tho

in pve it wrecks

[solar sable]

what the hell was my keyboard typing ._.

[subtle bluff]

sucks in DZ to do having to setup solo wise. With a team it can be doable.

[hexed steppe]

this one is mortar supremacy in the pinned sheet. there is another mortar setup thats more traditional with solid talent uptime . im personally biased towards mine so full disclosure 😅

[subtle bluff]

The motary confict build for conflict is actually not bad but it's not easy to use.

[hexed steppe]

make sure you use capacitor and a n insync shotgun on either setup since they both have damage to armor as native rolls

[sour robin]

Sounds good thank you. I'm mostly a PVE player as well but I wanted to dabble in the dark zone but I often run into Rogue players who absolutely destroy me because I never expect to run into them and kind of forget that rogue players are in the dark zone. So trying to find a build that's good for both.

[hexed steppe]

damage to armor helps explosive damage

[subtle bluff]

Mortar for PvP you need to setup for it to work well to do aiming and timing

[sour robin]

Alright thank you. Do you have any recommendations for a solo player skill build in the dark zone?

[sour robin]

Fair enough.

[subtle bluff]

0 because their not fast enough to react with.

[solar sable]

Just a heads up, pve builds and pvp builds are totally different and you can't actually have a hybrid mode build

[subtle bluff]

I've only gotten away with motray in DZ a handful of times because I was in squad.

[hexed steppe]

mortar and shrapnel traps used to be the goto in the dz, i think, but afaik they fixed the traps broken damage

[sour robin]

That's disappointing. I guess I'm going to have to build one of my characters to be strictly dark zone PvP.

[subtle bluff]

I've never used traps for PvP

[hexed steppe]

there used to be a thing where a tier 1 trap could wreck anything

[subtle bluff]

The problem with PvP with Skills there 2 Skills the Directly counter Skill builds.

[sour robin]

The electric trap is great against PVE but I'm not sure how well it would translate to PvP. They can just avoid going through it and bunker down. But I guess it would temporarily stop them from advancing. That is if I can ever see them coming first.

[subtle bluff]

You can shoot them or just avoid them.

[sour robin]

Really!? 😭

[hexed steppe]

lots of hazpro in pvp builds also

[subtle bluff]

Think of the Skills that stop other skills.

[hexed steppe]

there is a pvp build guide in the sheet too

[hexed steppe]

emp sticky ftw

[subtle bluff]

That's 1!

[sour robin]

Is there any good builds I can do with a DPS specialist build in the dark zone?

[sour robin]

Sheet in the pins?

[hexed steppe]

Yes, in this channel

Spreadsheet 2 > hub(builds) tab

[sour robin]

I've actually never used the EMP grenade or the pulse jammer in the game. Never even thought to use them to be completely honest. But that's probably because I mostly play PVE and didn't think they would be all that useful to me and for me.

[sour robin]

Thank you!

[hexed steppe]

All those builds are community built and tested

[sour robin]

I really appreciate your help! Thank you so much!!!

[hexed steppe]

Emp is my goto skill on dps because it can stagger or I use it to proc bluescreens talent

Yw

[sour robin]

Ok I'm going to have to try that out. That's part of the reason I use the electric mines is that it stagger's enemies in place allowing me to mag dump on them with an lmg. While my stinger mine covers my other flank. Super effective in PVE especially for solo players.

[hexed steppe]

Image perms here so post up a build if you want some feedback. Just be mindful that it will be scrutinized but the feedback is to try and optimize it so dont take anything personal

[hexed steppe]

Ever tried bluescreen exotic lmg

[sour robin]

I have not no. I only have two exotic guns.

[hexed steppe]

its super good in dps setups where you want to status a bunch of npcs. make sure to keep it if you get one to drop

[sour robin]

I'll have to check it out. Thank you!

[agile citrus]

so I looked at mine in my stash that I kept with dtooc. its got 30% more headshot, really terrible rpm, and imo bad handling. Ill stick with IH for my bh alt

105% hs looks a lot less impressive when paired vs bh 150%+ and not paired with your hs build. cuz 180% hs looked much better on paper

[agile citrus]

@subtle bluff

I did promise, so here

[red island]

why bother sniping when u could just gun them down with the ar ?

[patent fossil]

That was the whole point of his striker+hh build, there was a very lengthy conversation yesterday

[red island]

yeah i remember i was here, i still dont see the value

[agile citrus]

cuz its fun. to be able change combat. do you ever get bored but dont want to hot swap
tbh, this is just one of those thing where if you dont it get, its prob cuz a person disagrees on a fundmental level not an info level

[red island]

if i get bored i dont keep using the boring gear

[rich lotus]

Anybody know if Measured Assembly works against Martinez mortars in Incursion?

[red island]

it should, but didnt test

[subtle bluff]

It's always a length one... It's been like this for like a year....

[subtle bluff]

Not the mortars.

MA talents for mortars are the ones that ads pull out to use.

[rich lotus]

Thanks

[agile citrus]

👆

promises are only improtant if you keep them

anyway, carry on, I was just finishing my promise, I didnt have time yesterday

[subtle bluff]

I did a lot of testing with it. Yes if can make lovebirds mechanically easier but it's the same you need to know what to do up there.

[subtle bluff]

I'll be honest I just put you on ignore since you spam this channel too much for me to see thru it all for the real question.

[agile citrus]

completely fine. cuz last time you over posted, you repeated yourself I think... 5 times. didnt change your statement. just repeated.

[rich lotus]

Also would it be better to use the Tipping Scales chest and backpack or other talents?

[subtle bluff]

Red Strikers Chest and BP w/ acs12 is still best.

Use Backfire

[red island]

striker chest is for very tanky bosses, the dps is almost unmatch

[subtle bluff]

If you ever need a reference of how it could be ran, look in my bio.

[subtle bluff]

You force my hand to repeat myself and everuone knows I hate doing it.

[red island]

u should just ignore each other imo

[subtle bluff]

I have a look when I have time.

[agile citrus]

sigh. this is why we stopped, like 9 months ago. your approach has always been "how do I do __" "look at spreadsheet" "ok.. but.. how, why am I wrong" ...." read spreadsheet". repeat 6 times times. " I cant teach you" Im wordy chow cuz I reqwrd my approach so everyone can understand on all levels. but.. tired of sharing, past 3 days are a lot for me. I have thing about responding, but I need to not for a bit. too much

[brittle bloom]

At the end of the day this is a video game just supposed to be having some fun.

[magic pilot]

Each weapon category has a modifier yea

[astral kraken]

if you need to fall back to the door of that room then it's a giga fail

with enough knowledge of the encounters its possible to clear them with any build, given enough time, because you can run back to places where enemies won't push you

so imo if you're forced to fall back that far then it's equivalent to not being able to clear it

think about why you needed to fall back in the first place. it's the very reason why people have been saying this build doesn't make sense:

1. you don't have enough AR DPS to kill chungas fast enough
2. you don't have enough mantis damage to break chunga helmets
3. the decoy doesn't live long enough to distract the chungas

good on you for posting the vid tho

[chrome cradle]

Oh yeah we cooking

Nah jk old pic

[patent fossil]

not bad for shd 80 tbf

although double ceska isn't ideal

[chrome cradle]

Yeah I swapped knees for striker

I’m working on a heartbreaker build now

Finally got the jist of library

[meager fog]

Heartbreaker is a difficult farm, good luck

[chrome cradle]

IM AWARE 😭 but I play Warframe so I got this

[trim abyss]

man bluescreen with TS is INSANE but I do be missing my pestilence ticks every now and then

[mild ravine]

Guys I got a problem, I dont have xbox live so I have to somehow solo the Houndsman but I keep dying. What builds can I use?

And is it even possible?

[patent fossil]

key to killing the huntsman is to take your time, keep a close eye on him, and stay safe when he's shooting (or aiming an oxi at you). Shoot him when he's running from place to place, use cover when he's aiming at you

[mild ravine]

I try that and when I think im doing somewhat well his chem launcher almost one shots me

[patent fossil]

when you see him aim his chem, keep a solid object between you but get well back from it

[mild ravine]

Alr thanks

Usually I try to roll out the way but those annoying warhounds make it difficult

[patent fossil]

you can stay in the starting room and kill most of the warhounds in there, they'll come to you, just keep an eye on the windows so the houndsman doesn't shoot you through them

[mild ravine]

Oh ok, usually I try to run through but it doesn't go to plan, thanks again

[foggy imp]

What’s the best lmg to pair with tipping scales? Running the Ceska chest and overdog gloves

[agile citrus]

I wanted to respond to this because you made really good points. Before I pof completely ill take some time this weekend to post a link to how my build design works, because in my experience my other builds many find fun, for the more casual player.

I want to point out on this, this build is mine, it was advertised as "my current boredom", I also referred to it as "my favorite personal build"

It's a build that specifically is designed to make you try hard. It's purposely not ez, but promotes skill, player growth, game awareness etc. it flows well with players from dark souls, mh, csgo, armored core etc. it's also a variant of my more skill based set, but is ezr

[astral kraken]

Why did you post it in build advice?

[agile citrus]

Good question. Where do you post a build, to share. I'm not saying I wouldn't take advice, but 99% of the feedback was no or just... why

In fact I posted it to share but receiving very surprising amount of convo. The expected reaction was kinda, neat, does it work? How much DMG does it do?

As I worded this... I realized your reaction, and my philosophy are kind of answered. I believe that all reasons for playing are good reasons. But your question reveals that some people who post here, the more common ones, approach it from the only thing that should be posted or advised on, is efficiency toward one role type. Such as damage healing tanking etc

[shy willow]

This channel is for build advice, you received advice on your build

[agile citrus]

Can you show me it.

[urban latch]

When someone posts a build in the "build advice" channel, the assumption is one of two things:

1. Give me advice on this build
2. This is advice to someone suggesting that they run it

People taking you posting builds as #1 will get you the suggtions you kep getting to improve your nonsense build. People taking it at #2 will push back explaining why your build is nonsense.

But your out here doing #3, just spamming the channel with nonsense builds for fun, which is annoying to everyone else

[agile citrus]

I must have missed it, I may be being a negative Nancy, but I only saw people saying just don't and disbelief for its numbers

[foggy imp]

I asked a build question and can’t even see it with your convo lol

[agile citrus]

You ask a question an hour ago. And it was two post ago. Stop.

[shy willow]

I'm not sure about the mathematical best these days but iirc the m249 is a top option rn

[foggy imp]

I asked a question at 9:51 if you can read

[agile citrus]

Mine says 721 a.m. it's now 8:15 a.m.

[urban latch]

bullet king used to be a joke, but its legit one of the better LMGs after getting buffed, and since it doesnt need to reload its a solid choice with tipping

[magic pilot]

I run m60 with tipping

[shy willow]

Oh yeah I forgot TS wants constant fire

[foggy imp]

Thank you very much @urban latch @magic pilot

[astral kraken]

This is my new main for legendary pugs. It's great. Replaced Striker.

[magic pilot]

Chad PGC user spotted

[foggy imp]

I’m really loving tipping scales over striker. Would love to maybe use iron lung for the burn effect and then maybe have a gr9 with measured for a secondary

[magic pilot]

@onyx sage likes it with iron lung iirc

[foggy imp]

Do you think after the season is done and the fire rate drops that tipping scales will fall off a bit ?

[magic pilot]

Not at all, I don't play with modifiers now

[agile citrus]

I'm going to poof as I said. I wanted to answer purple mini tanks ping. My last input is two things. I made this post like last week. Again. Same posters, same Muh deeps, everything else drowned out. I'm prob the only one who'll chat back, just letting you this is a thing. And you've seen it now

Take care.

[astral kraken]

@foggy imp I've always felt that BK has been slept on a little bit. Even before TS I'd use it with PGC/Vigi Striker.

What makes the BK so good is the constant uptime. Very underrated benefit IMO. Even if the burst DPS is lower you cant continuously destroy weak points, break chunga chains, and suppress clumps of enemies if no one else shooting them. A very very large percentage of my deaths have been during reload or caused by the openings that reloads create for NPCs.

The only thing about BK... is you need to find good firing positions. @onyx sage calls them "lanes" and that's a good way of putting it. If you can find a nice piece of cover where you don't take damage while peeking then it'll be a very fast clear. Almost every encounter in the game has something like that. Not all, but most.

I've all but given up on the Pesti, MK46+Frenzy, Bluescreen, and others because of the reload times.

I think people give up on the BK too soon because when they try it out they get beamed by the AI.

[trim abyss]

No reload is a HUGE benefit but ive yet to have a situation a full mag of the bluescreen couldnt handle lol

also bluescreen reload time is almost nothing, its so fast

[astral kraken]

Yea at some point it does come down to personal pref/playstyle.

And the content you're doing ofc.

And your team. And how fast you wanna clear. Haha lots of variables.

[trim abyss]

ya, I do enjoy the ticks from pestilence but man the raw power of bluescreen is a good trade off

[astral kraken]

I love how LMGs made a comeback. They used to be clown tier.

[magic pilot]

For a long time too

[rich cosmos]

Breaking point buff when

[hexed steppe]

Bluescreen FTW!

[trim abyss]

ya bluescreen is just too good right now, its the bullet emperor lol

[hexed steppe]

Yeah it really synergizes with nego since both revolve around marking. The handling is just the cherry on top.

[trim abyss]

im using overdogs

[hexed steppe]

Same

This has replaced everything dps for me. Works well in legs too 💯

[onyx sage]

i wish i could use nego that easily

[astral kraken]

very good. very very good.

[hexed steppe]

I can probably delete striker/tipping/hb/umbra/highend at this point. Nego does it all
Nego is 😍

Is the extra amp from sacrifice worth swapping ceska glass or is it just slightly better. I'm an even 60chc and would need to swap a chd over to make it 58% chc?
It kinda feels like its broken strong in current config

[onyx sage]

with the chd stacks you'll be near 200% with bluescreen so i would say no

[hexed steppe]

On nego I mean

[onyx sage]

yes

nego also has chd stacks btw

[hexed steppe]

Oh yeah, 👴 I forgot those

[magic pilot]

Yea PGC worth

[astral kraken]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tVVZwT3_NCpiYlbcnp9a7fjgykUnvAnQzGUYZBgEQ28/edit?usp=sharing

PGC wins by 6%

Actually I was using the wrong Bluescreen. It had DTA on it. Gonna re-test with a CHC Bluescreen.

[magic pilot]

It's gonna favor PGC more

[astral kraken]

Agree but... spreadsheets!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aQCqJ-PZzGXfJrOAefwlm4Agzb0eTigvXP8u9GFKLY8/edit?usp=sharing

PGC wins by 5%. As you can see it's because of the non-crit average shot.

Additionally, PGC gives you a little more headshot damage. Which is free damage if you happen to land a headshot while spraying.

[magic pilot]

Old spreadsheet

Use the new one you can set how active headshot, DTA, and dtooc are

[astral kraken]

oh nicccce. will check out it thx.

[magic pilot]

Fancy stuff

[cloud laurel]

Back in the day, we can 1 shot IH 2nd boss by using nego build.

[hexed steppe]

Thanks for breaking it down guys @magic pilot @astral kraken

[magic pilot]

Now you just need turmoil

[trim abyss]

turmoil is doo doo right now, they are broken

[magic pilot]

It's not broken lol

It's fixed besides HH

It's not supposed to give you more dmg

[trim abyss]

I was told its not working as intended currently

[magic pilot]

In what way?

[trim abyss]

the way it applies damage iirc

[magic pilot]

It doesn't apply any extra dmg now besides HH and its unclear if that's intentional or not

[trim abyss]

ya some have said its not intentional

[astral kraken]

can't believe it's been 5 years since that

[magic pilot]

Kinda crazy ngl

[magic pilot]

It has some unusual interactions with immune bosses but other than that it's basically fixed

[cloud laurel]

lol nice

[cloud laurel]

lol turmoil is broken especially in MMR and rifle

[trim abyss]

Ya see, iv heard several people say they are broken. I know my overall gameplay is doo doo when I use them compared to not lol

[magic pilot]

It's an interaction with HH that they probably won't change

[cloud laurel]

Yep once HH proc, can go rampages lol pretty fun in 1886 build

[foggy imp]

This is my new favorite build. It’s been shredding in countdown especially at the end with all the elites. Thank you 🙏🏻

[subtle bluff]

God Damnit your bitrate

[astral kraken]

that one wasn't my fault lol, its an old video

[subtle bluff]

Handbrake it

[cerulean smelt]

you glad mrchow isn't orange?

i could see mrchow deleting your messages until you handbrake it for him 😹

[cerulean smelt]

think you could 2 man it using turmoil?

[astral kraken]

i don't have turmoil. was taking a break every time it was lootable 😭

one shots are pretty easy this season tho

[subtle bluff]

I was gonna go do it for him but I'm comfy on my bed.

[trim abyss]

SO do contractors golves work better than overdogs with bluescreen?

[subtle bluff]

No

[meager fog]

No

[trim abyss]

I didnt think so

[astral kraken]

30% amp is a lot

[meager fog]

Overdogs are the BiS for dps, flat out

[subtle bluff]

30% amp vs..

[meager fog]

10% LMG damage and 8% DTA...there's no question

[trim abyss]

now if only I could get a bluescreen with CHC... I finally got a low rolled CHC pestilence the other day. After 40 rerolls...

[hexed steppe]

overdogs tank builds when?

[magic pilot]

You don't even need BLB anymore

[meager fog]

Isn't that just putting full blue on and using overdogs to ioncrease the damage to that of the old strikers build? 😆

[astral kraken]

yea. sometimes something goes wrong and im still able to 3 shot with the help of blb.

its always in pugs so i have to plan for the worst

[astral kraken]

say hello to my little fren

[meager fog]

you should make a youtube video on this

[astral kraken]

doing what lol

it can only do like 3 things

[magic pilot]

13% pfe when

[meager fog]

Just name it "OMG Overdogs mega tank god mode ultra kill DPS build for all content"

You'll gain a million subscribers over night. Trust me

[astral kraken]

hmmm i should use the word meta in there somewhere

we're cooking

and you're right i can call it DPS because it has chc/chd!

[magic pilot]

SOLO LEGENDARY NEVER DIE 10 MILLION DPS GOD MODE TANK

[meager fog]

Subscribers don't care if it has no base weapon damage

[magic pilot]

I like when they put the "dps" in the title and it's clearly not accurate

[astral kraken]

30% * 0 = meta

[meager fog]

DPS = Dealing 90k per shot with a lexington....you're so behind the times

[magic pilot]

90k is what my bighorn build says on the overview lol

[meager fog]

You can also just use all seasonal modifiers to make it seem amazing. Like the video I just watch of how "insane" overdogs are....by a guy who spent 40 seconds in the opening area of Lego DUA taking zero damage because he was under Zealot.

[astral kraken]

that's the last time i take advice from dorky

(ok that was too bright)

[meager fog]

Your problem was that you didn't also have team mates buffing you

[meager fog]

https://youtu.be/yfU1M7IdKPI?t=67 this guiy is clearly better than you.

[gloomy spruce]

That kinda looks like the guy was using zealot

[meager fog]

He was, that's the point lol

[meager fog]

#td2-build-advice message

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah, that active is completely fun and broken. lol

[gloomy spruce]

Ask @onyx sage about the time that I decided to melee bait a purple minitank. It went about as well as your clip. lol

[cerulean smelt]

going to miss it next season?

[gloomy spruce]

Oh yes, I will. I so hope we have it over the holidays.

This season's actives are the best we've had so far by a mile.

I so badly wish that Tip of the Spear worked as well or even a slight fraction as well as Advanced Material.

[cerulean smelt]

Personally I've enjoyed most of the modifiers minus the theo one, at least since then they've been doing better

[rich cosmos]

I liked the theo one because of the enemy modifiers

That one actually felt more like a gameplay rebalance than a modifier but I have made it very clear I don’t like the modifier system anyways

I think its really silly to make entire whole new mechanics and functions for a limited time

[gentle lichen]

It's so funny that i just realised when doing the halloween project in ps i didn't even have my season modifier on

[rich cosmos]

I just really dislike the idea of making all these fully unique systems each season just to get rid of them

Like you could make a whole new gearset and have like two a season with the work being put towards modifiers but no

[gloomy spruce]

I think part of the reason for this is to conduct widescale balance changes and experiment with the game parameters. If they do this more and more, there is a likeliness that some of these modifiers will start becoming incorporated in part of the gear or other aspects of the game.

[rich cosmos]

While I definitely think thats the case, I still think balancing is very hit and miss

You have stuff like overdogs and strikers

Then theres stuff like rugged or breaking point

I think making such unique interesting mechanics is even more annoying because like, man, Id love this in a gear set or exotic, not a limited time thing

[astral kraken]

well the problem is the game would just break down if all of these seasonal mechanics became permanent

it's just too much. thats what happens in path of exile. after 5-10 seasons there's so much crap in the game it's impossible to wrap your head around it all.

they did a pretty good job designing this stuff b/c i haven't had to full on redo any builds to take advantage of them

just minor tweaks here and there

[rich cosmos]

Aren’t they already in climax missions

Pretty sure all of them are still in the game through climax missions

[astral kraken]

yea but they can't be mixed with the others

[rich cosmos]

Im not asking for mixing

[astral kraken]

ok but then imagine you join a group and that group could be running 1 of 8 different seasons

it would be a mess. you'd have to remember that season's mods, what to pick, etc, etc.

climax missions are sort of a one off where you can do that and it's not annoying. and it's consistent b/c it's the same for every climax mission.