td2-build-advice

[subtle bluff]

Nothing special. My normal stuff.

[stark pike]

For OD wicked is not a multiplier right? (amp) so there has to be some other options then just using wicked I assume that are worth considering?

[subtle bluff]

It’s TWD and you don’t already have it’s a basically one.

[meager fog]

As Chow said. Anything that doesn't already have a source is considered an AMP.

Just the same as Dttooc is considered an amp in most situations because of how rare it is.

You also have to consider the uptime. Wicked has 100% up time with an OD build.

[subtle bluff]

Still a WIP been lazy at finishing it up

[hexed steppe]

Normally dps, but i been noticing my mortar build has mortars hitting 20+mil at times, so I dont think it matters

[rich lotus]

Damage wise how much damage am I losing out on keeping a max 10% crit on st Elmo over the damage out of cover

[subtle bluff]

A lot.

If you didn’t read or look at the infographic….

[rich lotus]

Thought so. Have 4 rerolls to try to get a great roll on one

[subtle bluff]

It’s a thing. It took me 20 rolls for ouro for me.

[stark pike]

What are yalls favorite blue screen builds? I am falling a bit for this gun ngl

[meager fog]

You've literally been pointed to a few of them the past few days?

OD or ND.

[subtle bluff]

ND Bluescreen but only for 4 heroic and up for me.

I don’t need bluescreen isn’t that gear in soo heroic stuff you can do more DPS vs trying to stack for its talent.

[meager fog]

I normally advocate against it because DPS > Utility in most situations. However CC is always welcome

I like Bluescreen as a secondary

[subtle bluff]

There's a balance. Needing to find that balance is the key.

Or knowing where.

[stark pike]

what is 4 heroic and up? Like I am not sure about what that implies, is it like "I use it for heroic difficulty and up (IE. More directives, legendary and such)"

[subtle bluff]

4 man heroic

Due to scaling.

[stark pike]

Ah okay, I only do multiplayer when forced to do multiplayer (countdown, in the future raids)

[subtle bluff]

Raid’s aren’t those too. Raid you just want DPS

[stark pike]

I have not asked about blue screen to my knowledge, but I have talked about a lot of different builds so maybe something got lost somewhere.

There could also be more options other then OD or ND besides that.

[stark pike]

Not done em yet but I assume in raids you would also want a tank and healer? Or is that not a thing in this game?

[subtle bluff]

Tank’s aren’t really a thing. DPS is king. There roles for some raids parts but DPS and learn.

[sour smelt]

Advice?

[solid hound]

not sure where to ask this, but anyone know if dark winter is in named item caches?

[obtuse crystal]

yes it is

[stark pike]

Trying some tipping scales.
Numbers seem pretty high

Using blue screen not using Carnage at all

[rich lotus]

To get a ton of the bottom one I’m assuming it’s best to get the blue print from control points and craft them

[subtle bluff]

Testing stuff at the range vs what you can do out in open world are different.

[stark pike]

This was out in the world I didnt test in range

[subtle bluff]

We don't suggest the chest nromallyh

[onyx sage]

the problem with the chest is you take the extra 5s to build extra stacks that aren't that strong to begin with

[stark pike]

For tipping scales? Yea does not seem that good. I just cant get a ceska CHD CHC chest to save my life

[onyx sage]

the extra stacks are about a bit worse than obliterate

but they take longer to build (they always take 5s) vs obliterate which builds alongside TS but much faster

[stark pike]

What would a good secondary be if any to blue screen for this?

[onyx sage]

you don't really use your secondary with TS, but you can use a rifle with lucky shot to shoot into the air to maintain stacks

[subtle bluff]

Anything you deem good to swap quickly for to use.

[alpine tinsel]

Question if i slap iron lung on a OD set would the 2nd half hollow point rounds also burn targets

[subtle bluff]

Iron Lung talent does not effect the ammo. Pretty sure i've heard it already a Sadist weapon will out DPS almost anything else out there.

[alpine tinsel]

So it wont burn and bleed at the same time? Damn

[broken edge]

it will

burn is from a talent, bleed is from the ammo

they are different things

[onyx sage]

^

[broken edge]

it wont work with elmo that the talente gives you shock AMMO

[onyx sage]

the meter does build up from the number of bullets shot, so higher rof for example will trigger the burn faster, but to your question the bleed and burn will happen independently of each other

[alpine tinsel]

Oh thats hard

[onyx sage]

i mean it does do burn and bleed at the same time which is a good thing, iron lung is a decent choice on OD because of that

it's just damage wise it's not the best option because sadist is so strong

[subtle bluff]

OD give HP ammo. HP ammo bleeds.
Iron Lung if charged by shooting enough will burn targets you shoot. (Does not affect your ammo)
The side down both DOT's / Status Effect do not do a lot of Damage at all. The suggest weapon to use with OD is a weapon that can use Sadist for 30% amp damage.

I can English and explain things I swear... 😤

[broken edge]

iron lung is a good weapon because it makes the set self sufficient so you can use another weapon with sadist if you want it

tho i'm a weirdo that like to use OD with big horn for big headshot

[alpine tinsel]

So i could still do it but if i had another gun that specifically benefits from the HP rounds more efficiently itd make more sense?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[broken edge]

HP works better on large magazine

so it would probably be another LMG or AR

[onyx sage]

specially sadist weapons and ones with large mags because you would have more HP rounds

[broken edge]

if your shotgun or sniper becomes too storng to one shot it cna cause the issue of not proccing the status

because enemy dies from 1 shot

[onyx sage]

OD gear wise is also best run with tinkerer which also means you want high end (not named) weapons with sadist and another good talent

[verbal gust]

Just got tempest running with 4 piece foundry Crit w memento and perfectly reload chest and I’m having a blast. No legs = less armor

[cloud sluice]

Anyone know which brand chest piece comes with perfect intimate? 🤔

[obtuse crystal]

It’s golan gear but it’s also only from the New York hunters

[rich cosmos]

Trauma should be buffed to not activate on red bar enemies

Oops, accidentally used your 30 second blind cooldown on an enemy that will die in 8 bullets

[broken edge]

or have a faster cooldown if the enemy is killed

[gentle lichen]

Make it cool
Headshot kills reduce the blind trauma effect by 5 seconds
Body kills do the same but for the bleed effect

[onyx sage]

reassigned my forgotten goat...

[broken edge]

i still want to dare the devs to make a perfect version of reassigned

[onyx sage]

i have a feeling they will for next patch

just a hunch

[gentle lichen]

They made perfect protected reload...

[broken edge]

well protected reload is better reassigned

[onyx sage]

anything is better than reassigned.

"we heard you, we're buffing striker next patch"

[cerulean smelt]

by reverting the changes back to what it used to be? (> <)

[onyx sage]

anything to make it more viable on difficulties higher than challenging, the only difficulty we play on

[cerulean smelt]

missed shots loses 4 stacks, backpack back to 1% (> <)

[broken edge]

funny how old OD was just a better reassigned

[hexed steppe]

negodogs bluescreen, no question about it.

[scarlet ridge]

My personal Grading Sheet. Main stats and setup for a solo Heroic CP4/ Group / Raid. My sustained DPS is a baseline median from 10second Bursts x3, and I swap shield/revive for Decoy/Pulse (banshee). Also, only at 17 expertise

Grading my own build was humbling. 😐

[subtle bluff]

I've wanted to make something just too much other stuff to do

[cerulean smelt]

shouldn't the D < 60 be the other direction? like this >?

[scarlet ridge]

Less than 60 is D

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i know, been way to long since i did math stuff. thought the other direction would be less than and what you're using is greater than?

googled it, for some odd reason i thought the other way around 🤔

[scarlet ridge]

My wife and kiddo gave me a Sunday to myself so I finished this logger that I started a while ago.

[cerulean smelt]

nice nice

that's just in general right? not including modifires?

i feel that should be pinned (> <)

i personally feel it's in the A grade overall, but looks understanding why you'd rate it B

I'd like to see how you'd grade 3 providence with sacrifice and vigilance, contractors, fox's and depending on flavor for the mask

@meager fog you ever try this build with overdogs?

Hmm, 🤔 I'm curious now. Might have to pull that out of my stash and knock the dust off of it and take it for a spin

[verbal gust]

Overdogs is just….just. It is. lol

[hexed steppe]

overdogs = 😍

overdogs will make you want to stand up and dance

[verbal gust]

Have 4 piece blue strikers with overdogs and a blue grupo with obliterate. I heard deflector was good but I’m too lazy to point so I use the crusader shield

[hexed steppe]

could just use firewall shield and get a free amp

[cerulean smelt]

shudders think i'll be loving that build

was pretty fun with overdogs (> <)

hard to figure which i'd rather keep in my loadouts, this one was humorous

here's the hollowman run, didn't let me upload it immediately after finishing the run. said too powerful lol

[scarlet ridge]

I’ll put it in the pipeline and let you know.👍

[scarlet ridge]

No mods, and good catch. Will add that to the posit.

[cloud sluice]

Ah I'm still to buy the expansion, Waiting for the Christmas discount before I purchase it 👍

[subtle bluff]

tbh it's not worth more than just getting another brandset and using the normal talent.

[cloud sluice]

I wouldn't purchase TWONY just for the talent, The extra content would be nice plus the decoy skill would be pretty useful 🤔

[subtle bluff]

I'm saying Hunter Killer itself isn't worth to use.

[verbal gust]

Iron horse we always used decoy so clutch. Haha

[winter summit]

What stats make up a good Striker build? I started two weeks ago and since the game is offline, I am making a guesstimate that I have a three piece strike, ninja, etc, no full watch and I just hit SHD 280 and put all my stats into crit chance to have a good base. Current stats are 52% Crit Chance and 140 Crit Damage. Eventually another 18% C. Damage is coming from the watch. I have nothing to compare it to. I like to finish one set and then move on to a second, different build.

Ah Armor is 1.3m

[meager fog]

No ninja.

[winter summit]

Obliterate on the chest.

[winter summit]

I keep hearing about this Lexington....

[subtle bluff]

You're not missing out

[winter summit]

Outside of using Ninja, I wont be able to hit any high stats yet. So I will crutch this until I get better gear and base stats. Someone had mentioned using Fox Prayers for the Damage to out of cover targets but isnt it a half-loss due to it being a Marksmen geared item?

I have been using the Chatterbox since I got one with 21% Chance and max C Damage

[subtle bluff]

Don't use NBB

is really the answer.

In the Pinned Message > GDoc > Build Hub > CD farm guide follow that to get your library up

[atomic anchor]

Overdogs seems very powerful for strikers if you haven't tried it you wanna.

[nimble canyon]

Hi guys! what build did you use in the 1vs1 hunter fight?

(solo run, Bardon Schaeffer)
I've done almost all the solo legacy manhunts on heroic, but I'm stuck here, even though I've tried quite a few builds.

[subtle bluff]

Strikers and Riot Foam

[rich lotus]

What gear are you using with the overdog

[glad moat]

Anyone know a good build to use for Hardcore?

[pure hamlet]

If I was going to make an HC char I would run armor cores, unbreakable, revive hive, and stack things like armor regen/armor on kill. But I don't have an HC char yet

[subtle bluff]

HE DPS (High End)

[subtle bluff]

You have a level 40 HC already?

[glad moat]

its pain 😭

not yet but im 15

[pure hamlet]

i used to play hc chars in diablo 2 and path of exile but the server disconnect kills really destoyed the experience

[glad moat]

just wanted to check for future incase i find some nice loots

[pure hamlet]

theres a specific chat for HC if you want to ask there
https://discord.com/channels/477210626742288384/651834002310823946

[subtle bluff]

It's the same story till you get to 40 just level up.

[glad moat]

thanks i posted there as well now

[pure hamlet]

I would definitely run Memento for the armor regen and the extra armor from trophies. Unfortunately you can't build up stacks in the shooting range anymore

probably gunner spec for armor on kill

[glad moat]

right now im just running with the fenris set you get at lvl 15.

[pure hamlet]

yea im just speculating what my build would look like at 40

[glad moat]

for my main I run HB with Memento and it seems to work well

[pure hamlet]

yea thats a tanky setup

[glad moat]

I kinda just like not dying builds lol

[glossy rover]

How much more damage does the harvest do the the orbit with 6 blues, anyone know? Let’s say for consistency both headshot no Crit

[magic pilot]

20k higher base

[subtle bluff]

Asking how much damage something with 6 blue cores....

Both can be referenced in the gearsheet.

[radiant goblet]

hey 2 questions and would be greatly appreciated for help, so im running duo with me and my partner. im currently running 6 red core build with strikers and they are running 6 yellow cores with hard wired for now. i wanna try to shift to ongoing directive with pestilence and they wanna do a hybrid build for a skill build. any suggestions? im a returning player who swapped from console to pc and they are newer but much has changed ie world tiers gone and etc so any help would be nice

[onyx sage]

wouldn't run pesti with ongoing directive as there's no synergy

[radiant goblet]

isnt that the one with hollow bullets or am i wrong? figured could do status effect build

[onyx sage]

pesti isn't a status

[radiant goblet]

just a debuff right mark not status i see

[onyx sage]

it casts a debuff, not a status, so there's no synergy yeah

[radiant goblet]

then what gear set should i run with pestilence and what would work with ongoing directive? i kinda have both and i dont mind making 2 builds, been farming summit for a min, just wanna know what i would need to finalize those builds

[onyx sage]

pestilence you just run whatever deals damage normally, striker or lengmo high end work fine

there's no extra synergy you get from pesti over using another lmg

ongoing directive there's a build sheet you can view that's on the pinned spreadsheet on this channel

[obtuse crystal]

tipping scales can also be okay because the 30% lmg damage from the 3 piece

and the 4 piece can compete with strikers

[radiant goblet]

i do have exotic piece backpack that has resourceful talent so can do 3 piece tipping scales and 2 high end

[onyx sage]

no please don't use it it's really bad if damage is what you're after

[obtuse crystal]

its not worth it ninjabike is always worse than a high end or gearset backpack with a damage talent on it

[onyx sage]

just use tipping scales backpack

[radiant goblet]

thats the name, ah i see and for hybrid skill build? what do you suggest for my partner? when they need a dps build i believe they switch to sniper build but they prefer skills

[onyx sage]

i don't really have advice for skill builds, but if you guys are just doing open world heroic or most heroic missions any build will work fine

it's only in difficult content like incursion or legendaries that most skill builds that are damage-oriented are phased out

there are refactor and high end skill builds you can use that are damage-oriented

you can hybrid some of the pieces on refactor to be blue or yellow, with technician giving you a skill tier it's not going to be an issue

[radiant goblet]

ya i was looking into refactor as its a set, wasnt in game last time i played on console

[onyx sage]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19QJV66vqREDim4BKtW5qffSmsgN02tMd5LiuwUuJdGY/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.7vfhmvazeq14 can take a look at this

[radiant goblet]

they prefer to play support/backline so ie sniper or skill build

i will look at it rn tyvm

[onyx sage]

they can support you by using pure utility skill builds btw, sometimes them not dealing damage is better

eclipse or FI are really good utility sets that are used pretty much in a lot of difficult content

[cerulean smelt]

Look into local decks profile. There's at least 3 skill builds in it

[radiant goblet]

i know i helped they farm FI cause they wanna do raids and incurision eventually, but ya im trying not to overwhelm them as they are newer to shooter. also will check that out thanks. i think they running ace n eights for sniper build currently but we just got to end game a few days ago so the mid maxing fun begins lol

[cerulean smelt]

a much better sniper set for them will be Hotshot

[radiant goblet]

i suggested that but they were iffy about it due to if you miss buff goes away or something. they said aces was a bit more lax

will have to double check it

[obtuse crystal]

can always just use 3 pieces of hotshot if dont want to worry about the buff

[cerulean smelt]

think build pins here has 4 hotshot, chainkiller chest and airialdi backpack? get 1 headshot kill then just chain the rest through body shots won't be a problem until you hit things with no heads, warhounds, mini tanks, and other skills

[onyx sage]

just use 3p hotshot if they're scared of losing 4p buff yeah

[radiant goblet]

Thanks yall just read this, had work call. Will let them know thats possible

[cerulean smelt]

if you want to drive yourself and your friend crazy coming up with this build, still a work in progress. can try this (> <)

scratch that other pic, this is the end result to be at skill tier 6 but having enough red to do some serious damage. the chest and mask i'd prefer to have weapon damage as well but those aren't dropping for me the way i want so i can change those armors to weapons

[radiant goblet]

Lol rather not drive them crazy, I date them. But ya I think I have a gist for their builds. Now to figure out a status effect build for myself. I misunderstood pestilence talent where it's a debuff. So back to drawing board

[meager fog]

EP Burn is about the only viable status build

OD is not built around status, the bleed is just a proc for damage amps

[fiery gust]

Or Foam. Same logic, though. Typically for CC.

[radiant goblet]

Ya I used to run a cc build but I can't remember it for life of me, I know I used banshee and fire for it

Think was EP with fire lmg and banshee, will have to check it

[fiery gust]

I didn't see where you had explicitly stated what content you'll be doing in duo, so hard to make good recommendations.

If it's just open world on Heroic or missions, you'll be better off running 2 DPS builds. Not enough scaling to where a CC or pure support build will outweigh another solid DPS.

[radiant goblet]

We are mostly do heroic stuff but wanna start doing raids, countdown and incursion which is more group

[fiery gust]

Scratch all this stuff then. Won't be using snipers, skill builds, or any of that most likely. A Striker or high end all red build will be the standard.

[radiant goblet]

Figured lol I remember when I did the raids in the past almost everyone was red build and we had like one healer for a fire room if remember correct

[fiery gust]

Yea. DPS is meta for all but a couple people doing specific roles lol.

Countdown isn't that difficult, but everyone would still recommend against using typical skill builds because of the Hunters. DPS is still meta there really. Less time they're alive = less deadly they are.

[radiant goblet]

War flashbacks when someone used a turret against a hunter. Rip countdown

[fiery gust]

Even better when they just keep deploying them after they have been hacked multiple times. Sigh.

[cerulean smelt]

well, that's my goal as i feel i don't need any armor, but can fine tune it for more sane approach and keep most things armor for survivablity co-op/solo

[onyx sage]

but the average player dies without armor

[gloomy spruce]

They do, they absolutely do. I can't argue with this.

They are like a magnet for bullets if they use all reds. The NPC's just look at them and it is a death screen in a millisecond.

The second they put on glass cannon, a strong gust could knock them down and leave them on the floor.

[onyx sage]

so true

[cerulean smelt]

more like a hyena fart could knock them down XD

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah, they are so horribly fragile.

It is why we need Story Level Open World. So there is a place for even us below average players.

[radiant goblet]

Ya I get that but ngl trying different builds is fun for me when not needing to push excess amounts of dps

Don't wanna be sweaty in all content lol

[cerulean smelt]

for raids you won't get much choice i'm afriad to tell you, but normal heroic openworld/missions go with all kinds of fun builds you can muster

[rich lotus]

I finally got the hang of these overdog gloves and man do they destroy enemies 😮‍💨

[cerulean smelt]

yeah to my surprise in this build
#td2-build-advice message

[rich lotus]

I watched that at work. Just ridiculous how quick they were dropping

[cerulean smelt]

did another run where i swapped hollowman to ceska and upped my chd by a lot and ran it again. 7:11 was the time with that build
shudders did love running both

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, as you can tell i couldn't predict when they dropped so i tried to do some quick burst shots only to see them standing still lmao

[rich lotus]

I have striker right now but wouldn’t mind eventually swapping pieces for an all yellow build

With the gloves of course

[cerulean smelt]

mine was an old old build where you'd run something like beserk chest + clutch gloves i believe before the gear 1.0 or was that 2.0? where they took all the other talents and just placed them in chest and backpack

i've only known of it being called Full metal Jacket

[tulip charm]

gear 1.0. Pre wony.

[cerulean smelt]

thanks, couldn't remember just remembered we were able to pick up at least the gloves with a talent on it and bezerk being pretty op

i feel instead of div3 the devs should give us Div 2 classic where we can play the game with the brand/gearsets before wony (> <)

[rich lotus]

I wouldn’t mind trying these gloves with providence

[cerulean smelt]

question would be, gearset all 6 pieces or just the 4 like we are now? 🤔

[rich lotus]

And then maybe running the ceska chest or grupo with obliterate

[cerulean smelt]

go for it, mine was pgc sacrifice chest, ceska mask for my second run where i finihsed lincoln in 7:11

[dreamy valve]

Will be interested in new run times when Redline Overdrive is live

[cerulean smelt]

that going to be a thing?

basically like the tech one but we get weapon cores?

[glossy rover]

The new named pistol is about to pop off, not the hardest hitting single bullet but highest burst in pistols, beats out harvest due to having double rpm, 2 bullets equal just over 1 bullet from harvest anddd we get 20% move speed

[gentle lichen]

That's only true if the damage is 50% of harvest's which is it?

[subtle bluff]

wtf?

[gentle lichen]

Also the pistol wouldn't have a talent or minor attribute still not confirmed so there's that

[glossy rover]

If it can have dtoc

[subtle bluff]

Lol beating out the harvest..

[glossy rover]

It’ll beat out harvest

[gentle lichen]

Based on what

[gentle lichen]

Rpm alone?

[subtle bluff]

Sure... Harvest does this tho..

[glossy rover]

Based on Ikias spreadsheet

M1911 is the highest burst pistol on the game

[solar sable]

340mil is insane

[glossy rover]

M1911 310rpm to harvests 149 and it’s a little more the half the damage per bullet, meaning 2 bullets from m1911 = a little more then harvest

[subtle bluff]

ikia sheets only have Harvest for named.

also DPS isn't what The Harvest is suppose to use for.

IDK where your basing all this logic from..

[gentle lichen]

But the damage? The potentially extra talent that harvest could have?

[fiery gust]

What is this guy saying. In matters where the Harvest is used, the new pistol is garbage.

[gentle lichen]

Harvest is temu regulus to allow you to use primary exotics and benefit from some regulus pros

[subtle bluff]

With only FI buff if it had any other debuff it just nuts.

[subtle bluff]

0.o that's normal M1911...wtf are you talking about named atm?

[glossy rover]

20% move speed lets you outrun ai targeting

[fiery gust]

Yes, that means diddly.

The damage, that is.

[subtle bluff]

Again we don't use The Harvest for DPS...

[glossy rover]

Yeah but the new pistol is an m1911 and if it’s not changed and is named only because of talent then that’s a w

[gentle lichen]

Uhh yeah so the m1911 is down there

[subtle bluff]

No one knows.. We didn't what they do to Slingshot

[fiery gust]

I don't think he understands the difference between raw burst DPS and items being used for specific utility purposes.

[gentle lichen]

Like 9th or something i didn't pass mafs

[glossy rover]

I was talking about burst to be fair

[gentle lichen]

Also higher base damage regardless of dps is what you want in cases of one shot as with dodge city

[subtle bluff]

We again don't use Harvest for DPS...

[fiery gust]

Nobody uses pistols for burst DPS anyways outside of Tempest? I don't understand the point here.

[glossy rover]

PvP was my point

[subtle bluff]

LOL

[fiery gust]

You're gonna die so fast. I can't.

[glossy rover]

?

[gentle lichen]

To outrun players while you're manhunt sure it's pretty great to use with a regen build

[subtle bluff]

SOOO leaving out context to make a point..

[gentle lichen]

I can only imagine the aids strafes with perma 20% movement speed

[subtle bluff]

You never said PvP till now....

[gentle lichen]

And yeah that looked like a deflect lmao

[fiery gust]

It's best!!!!

[glossy rover]

I forgor this is a pve Andy game

[obtuse crystal]

Also said this which why would you if talking about pvp

[subtle bluff]

Pistol DPS PvP LMAO it's gonna be funny to watch that.

[gentle lichen]

No but seriously contending against regulus and tempest and harvest in some cases that pistol isn't gonna be that good

[glossy rover]

I guess we will have to see

[obtuse crystal]

For dps no for general use to get around quicker it’ll be nice

[subtle bluff]

You're talking in #td2-build-advice if you were talking about #td2-pvp-discussions wouldn't that..... hmm I'll stop.

[glossy rover]

Yeah that’s fair

[cerulean smelt]

i feel the movement will be dropped 5-10%

[gentle lichen]

Check this out

[cerulean smelt]

maybe even 15% if they're feeling prickly

[subtle bluff]

I'd still like to know where this new named pistol has been posted

[cerulean smelt]

#news-and-announcements message

part of the halloween event

[fiery gust]

Just the talent part. No stats or anything.

[gentle lichen]

That halloween project mask is hot

[subtle bluff]

Oh great... More speed strats...

This is gonna change shit for us for speed..

[gentle lichen]

Just swap to whenever you're not shooting
-# swap speed meta

[cerulean smelt]

feel some would rather it be an exotic talent (> <) i'm ok either way h onestly

[fiery gust]

Will be interesting to see how much time it actually saves.

[pure hamlet]

100% of the time it saves 20% of the time when running from A to B

[fiery gust]

That doesn't tell us anything in reality.

[subtle bluff]

For me incursion actually a bit.

[gentle lichen]

Imagine it makes climbing and moving up ladders/ropes faster
Now THAT is a utility weapon right there

[subtle bluff]

We squezze in hotswap to lady death to go faster but timing so we get kills can isn't easy nor fun sometimes.

[pure hamlet]

lady death is sooo weak to compensate

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.

[gentle lichen]

Firestarter + acosta's knees

[subtle bluff]

That burst is nothing scoff at.

[gentle lichen]

Uhh i forgor the talent does it proc movement speed when inflicted with status

[pure hamlet]

everytime I come back to this game I try to make melee builds work with Lady Death and Claws Out and each time I am disappointed

[subtle bluff]

100 stack strikers with lady death proc up burst like no other just really quick burst.

[pure hamlet]

its good for speed trials but I had to get it up to expertise 20 for it to not feel like crap damage wise.

[gentle lichen]

Aww but it doesn't stack with the pistol
That sounds kinda dumb so using acosta with pistol or that passive modifier is useless ?

[pure hamlet]

i think 20% is the maximum speed boost you can get anyway

[rich cosmos]

So they give a pistol a speed buff when holding it but the seasons endgame exotic unlock is just a pistol with full auto…

[cerulean smelt]

watching rg video on stuff tomorrow and saw the redline overdrive, since you weren't saying anything thought you were trolling, but OMG that will be interesting

[subtle bluff]

What does he mean by “new run times”

[cerulean smelt]

probably world record speed running

[subtle bluff]

We don’t lets things like events, glitches and exploits count to WR stuff it’s more for fun sure.

IMO takes less skill and isn’t the point to speedrunning.

[cerulean smelt]

it's the only thing that comes to mind whoever was saying "new run times" is only speed running, so i have no clue what they mean but that's the only thing that comes to my mind

[subtle bluff]

Fair but also like you said about him.

Funny enough the last event it allowed me to hard carry incursion because of the Skill Teirs were useful. I just did a harder carry and did it better. LOL

[cerulean smelt]

but omg, 85% chc? 🤯

[dreamy valve]

It’s gunna be weapon heaven 👼

[cerulean smelt]

i know you and mrchow will end up with quickstep before that time (> <)

[subtle bluff]

LMAO. I’m normally lazy at grinding those event things but I probably will for this one.

[cerulean smelt]

average probably day 1 (> <)

[subtle bluff]

But he’s doesn’t know what to do he’s avg

[cerulean smelt]

i was so curious on where to find information on that event, considering they didn't mention it in their news and annoucements halloween event. was like um where's this redline event? logged in when i could nothing in events. so i considered 7 blue core was trolling

[pure hamlet]

will we be able to get the quickstep starting tomorrow?

[subtle bluff]

How would you get it?

[buoyant perch]

Roughly 9 hours from now, you can get it

[buoyant perch]

So? There are more ways to get it.

[cerulean smelt]

it's in the project chain, the one chain project that drops various pieces of gear guaranteed for a week, then the next week it won't drop those cosmetics anymore but the gun, mask and something else

[glad heart]

I don't know what you think, but this sounds like just another gimmick to me. The devs are only good a coming up with gimmicks, and cosmetics. They can't do anything that will help kill bad guys more efficiently (like undoing all the stupid nerfs they have done over the last few years.) I am not going to waste my time grinding for a gun that helps me move faster. The M1911 pistol is very highly respected in real life, I carried it to war; but here, in game, it is pretty pathetic to say the least. That's my opinion, and I am sticking to it.

[buoyant perch]

you are *almost *there, scroll up a tiny bit and you will see earning caches has nothing to do with the project chain

[cerulean smelt]

for me, the houndsman is a project chain. you hunt mini warhounds and then get sent to a houndsman bounty and get a cache that drop sit. might as well be a chain project in my head

[north thicket]

Hello, can someone tell me a smooth brain build please?

[hazy steeple]

Striker is almost certainly the most "simple" endgame build to run.
the only brain power it requires is the knowledge that you need to make sure the stacks are built up to kill things.

There's a full guide to in in the 📌 pinned-message of this channel > spreadsheet 2 > builds. Enjoy!

[woeful zodiac]

Headshot builds

[north thicket]

Thanks both. I'll look into them.

[woeful zodiac]

Not only requiring less brains, but also makes a "smooth" hole in the brain (for hostiles)

[digital burrow]

Anyone know if the skill repair part of kinetic momentum talent applies to restorer hive as well ?

[subtle bluff]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no since anything that doesn't have health head it becomes kind of bad.

[digital burrow]

Thx

[bold osprey]

@subtle bluff For hunters fury should I use exotic smg or shotgun

I have the following exotics

SMGS - Chatterbox , Ouro, Lady Death , Backfire

Shotgun - Scorpio, Overlord , Sweet Dreams

[subtle bluff]

You can really use w/e you want does Need to be SMG/Shotgun. Also Exotics/Named Weapons/Gear aren't always the best nor is needed for every build.

[bold osprey]

Alr

[meager fog]

Strikers is point, click, delete. No thought required outside of self preservation

[sage hare]

What build can i make with bullet king exotic?

[subtle bluff]

Tipping Scale, Ceska Chest Obli and overdogs

[red island]

have people been testing a build for next crit event ?

since we get a lot of crit chance and crit damage for free and other stuff

[mild dawn]

crit cap goes also up by 25% so no change for anything previous crit based builds that aimed for the cap

[red island]

oh, didnt notice that, stuff is gonna be deleted fast

[mild dawn]

yeah kinda crazy getting 25% extra crit chance for free

[red island]

i mean, thats on par with the +3 skill tier from last time

[sage hare]

Sry im new i didnt understand a word of this

[heavy nimbus]

He's trying to answer your question about what build you can make using the Bullet King exotic LMG. 🙂 You use the Tipping Scales set, a Ceska chest with the olbiterate talent and the Overdogs exotic gloves.

Unless you were joking lmao.

[sage hare]

Nah im not joking

[heavy nimbus]

Okay well I hope I helped lol.

[sage hare]

Yeah ty

[heavy nimbus]

No problem! 🙂

I love this game, if I can help in some way I'll do my best.

[sage hare]

K ty

Umm so how can i get these things?

[heavy nimbus]

You would want to do countdown or summit, or in some cases if you do open world content like control points or bounties, you can get the items to drop or even sometimes you can buy them from vendors or even craft them.

[sage hare]

In all of the time i played td2 i didnt get even 1 gear set (i think)

[heavy nimbus]

Have you just recently started?

[sage hare]

I bought game in may

But got level 40 in september

[heavy nimbus]

Ah fair enough

[sage hare]

I just got the bullet king blueprint so wanted to make a build with it

[heavy nimbus]

Right on

[sage hare]

Nice🫡

Also i think i have those gloves

At least had

[subtle bluff]

What SHD are you?

[sage hare]

80

[subtle bluff]

Go the Pinned Messages > GDoc Gear > Build Hub
Ton of good info. There's a guide for Fresh 40 CD read that.

[sage hare]

umm where is GDoc gear?

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages Top Right 📌

Spreadsheet

[sage hare]

yeah i found it

ty

[fierce olive]

Is a Bluescreen/OD build viable for solo heroic?

[patent fossil]

Yes

Although Carnage/tinkerer with high end lmgs will hit significantly harder than bluescreen.

[subtle bluff]

bluescreen isn't as powerful in solo heroic due not being to stack high enough consistently. It's a great support ish weapon and groups.

[fierce olive]

i´ll def. try to get/find that tinkerer mask

[winged prism]

ive never seen a random drop roll that low in my life lmao

[meager fog]

Potomac event centre Manager mission on Master difficulty drops it 100% of the time

On first completion

[rich cosmos]

Satan roll

[vivid axle]

new 🅱️ istol 🅱️ retty fun

[fierce olive]

is master harder than heroic? lol

[vivid axle]

yes

iirc the pec was annoying enough that it was worth it to me to just run it on heroic a couple times

[gentle lichen]

Carpal tunnel speedrun

[vivid axle]

you only have to click like twice

[gentle lichen]

uh huh

[vivid axle]

uh huh

[gentle lichen]

i may be wrong here but i think that was more than two clicks

[vivid axle]

you are wrong here

[gentle lichen]

uh huh

[vivid axle]

also dont have weak wrists

[gentle lichen]

clicking a mouse with your wrists sounds very uncomfortable

[vivid axle]

where do you think carpal tunnel develops

[hazy steeple]

If you are using your wrists to left click a mouse, you have bigger issues.

[vivid axle]

who is clicking a mouse with their wrist

[ivory comet]

Someone does... 👀

[meager fog]

Master is basically Heroic+ mode.

All enemies are elite, with Legendary health bars.

However they deal as much damage as a Heroic enemy and are not White Tusk.

[onyx sage]

nah they deal around legendary damage too, just that their AI is heroic (no change unlike white tusk which was made for legendary)

[gloomy spruce]

But, but, but, I played against them in the groups you carried me and I somehow did not die in 1 shoots like normal. How is that even possible, sir?

[onyx sage]

because i have sad sir

[shy willow]

Stricker dies in 2 shootz

[gloomy spruce]

I just know that for me, it is one shoots

[meager fog]

Huh, never really noticed an increase in damage for Master, they certainly take longer to kill.

Not that I don't believe you lol, just never noticed

[winged prism]

just ran countdown with someone using this

[gloomy spruce]

I am using striker with sacrifice and backfire. I am just always dying. 🙁

[onyx sage]

goated build

[meager fog]

Just because you don't understand their logic, doesn't make it bad

[gloomy spruce]

That is well beyond my ability to understand. All jokes aside, I am out on this one.

[winged prism]

unless its the most niche raid tech thing ever made i cant possibly wrap my head around it but i hope he had fun

[meager fog]

The 1pc Refractor really lights the build up.

[gloomy spruce]

Are you sure it isn't the 1 pc TP chest piece?

[meager fog]

I have a feeling it's literally just someone trying to max out their proficiency lol

Weird way to do it but eh, not judging

[gentle lichen]

don't shame someone trying to expertise their stuff

[gloomy spruce]

If that was the case, they would just run 4 pieces and be done in less than an hour

[onyx sage]

listen guys. that build totally makes sense... to someone, i'm sure

[meager fog]

Not everyone is average though

[winged prism]

he was afk most of the countdown though so i hope bro is doing okay

someone check on him irl

[meager fog]

By the look of that build he probably locked himself out of his house, or got stuck on the roof or something

[gloomy spruce]

Fun trick to quickly become proficient in any brand or gear set. Just run 3-4 pieces of it. The thing becomes proficient quick that way. Brand sets and gear sets are the easiest to become proficient at.

Skills can take longer.

Named items are easy once you get the blueprints. Just craft 20 of any named item and donate them in the expertise menu.

[dreamy valve]

I can already hear their smoke detector alarm beeping because it needs new batteries

[gloomy spruce]

That is an optimistic take

Are you sure you are actually sad?

[rich cosmos]

How do people reach these shd levels so easily

[winged prism]

xp events and no job

[gentle lichen]

4.7k isn't even that much imo

[rich cosmos]

I only hit 1k last week

[gentle lichen]

That's like 4 xp events during the last two seasons

[hazy steeple]

A single bonus SHD event has a cap of 1k, we've had a ton of those.
Even if you only ran 5, you'd be breaching that total.

When we say SHD means nothing, that's what we're talking about.

[rich cosmos]

I guess I just don’t really farm but even then the amount of bad builds on high shd I see is staggering

You would think someone would catch on at shd 1k

[winged prism]

yh you could have 2000 hours and hardly any shd or 300 hours and crazy levels

[gentle lichen]

If they don't see anything wrong with taking a 40 min ride to a place they could go to in 10 mins if they used another route they're not gonna change their way

If it ain't broke why fix it mentality is real coupled with only playing solo or rarely requesting backup

[winged prism]

real

and a terrible build is always more fun to look at than coyotes strikers lex/elmos

[rich cosmos]

Tru

[hollow lava]

This is for this discussion: #ask-td2-community message

[solar sable]

oof

[rich cosmos]

Yeah I wouldn’t solo the huntsman bounty

[broken edge]

that chestpiece is completely useless to you

[rich cosmos]

Holster too

[solar sable]

The main issues with your build is that you're:

1. Mixing gearsets
2. Not the right gearsets
3. Ninjabike is a no no

[broken edge]

what kind of build you wanted to do?

[red island]

if you look for dps, striker is the go to build

[hollow lava]

I thought that skills were not going to be useful for this bounty so I went for a lot of armour, and wanted as much DPS as I thought I could get. Bear in mind I don't have materials to make god-rolled gear, so I'm working with what I had.

[red island]

u dont need to upgrade anything, just run countdown on challenging with striker as target loot, and you'll be good

[broken edge]

gear sets are not a good idea to use unless going all in

[hollow lava]

Why is ninjabike a no-no, it gives me a lot of bonuses to my gear

[solar sable]

thing is, my friend, that DPS doesn't use Blue cores or anything blue at all

[subtle bluff]

Talents are very powerful. You're not using any.
Gearset pcs alone lose out on stats since it not brandset and only has 1 stats vs normal HE (High End) pcs.

[broken edge]

specially chest and backpack as their talent only work with 4 pieces

[solar sable]

cuz it doesn't compare to a High End backpack with a strong talent

[broken edge]

gear sets also come with 1 less roll to compensate the set bonus

so having only 1-2 pieces will give you a net negative for stats even with ninjabike

[subtle bluff]

Also do you know what countdown is?

[winged prism]

just focusing on what cores you have doesnt equate to a good build, weapons and gear need to synergize, like using lmgs with any of that gear has no impact for example

[hollow lava]

Ah, I think I follow

[sage hare]

is this a build i should try to get?

[hollow lava]

Something at the nuclear plant? Frankly I doubt I'm good enough for it lol

[broken edge]

you can use one brand that has crit damage and one of hte rolls having crit chance for example and it will be better than ninjabike compensating for one of the stats

[broken edge]

it's how new players get gear all the time, matchmaking for challenging and stay with the group

[solar sable]

so many red flags for a TS build

[winged prism]

most of it yes but ideally not bullet king or the mask

[broken edge]

it's meh at beast

[gentle lichen]

Bullet king goes hard

[hollow lava]

I'll have to see what I can put together with what I have

[subtle bluff]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/234461-tom-clancys-the-division-2/faqs/82038/intro-cd-and-summit
More guides like these are in the Pinned Message > Spreadsheet > Build Hub

[solar sable]

-ly the right way

[winged prism]

try coyotes/TS mask and overdogs, and change kneepads to fox's prayer, should be a big improvement

[subtle bluff]

No on fox's

[red island]

its a 8 player mode, you dont need to do anything, matchmake on challenging, just follow people, shoot stuff, dont use skills at the end, and you'll get ton of loot

its very much beginner friendly, 6 complete new players can be carried

dont be scared, u'll get it

[hollow lava]

I'm always worried I'd let people down and they'd be mad at me

It's why I solo

[winged prism]

nah man its very normal

[red island]

u cant let them down in there + just leave if they toxic, but they wont be

[solar sable]

ignore those who don't teach and make friends with those who do

[red island]

^

we dont gatekeep the fun in here, we share it

[hollow lava]

Have to say this place certainly is welcoming, thank you

[solar sable]

even if you're not open minded then welcome to the prison- Division 2

[red island]

except being pretty and funny, i gatekeep that only for myself

[subtle bluff]

Follow the guide

[sage hare]

only thing why i wanted to make this build was bc of bullet king blueprint i just got

[sage hare]

YEAH

[winged prism]

itll probably be fine with bullet king, just better lmg options

[gentle lichen]

Birds of a feather flock together 🔥🔥

[winged prism]

if its fun use it yk

[subtle bluff]

BK is really just mid. It's more fun if anything

[gentle lichen]

I put 30 expertise on that you know i'm using it

[red island]

change mask and kneepads, get overdog gloves or coyote mask

[sage hare]

like which (i need to get)

[winged prism]

bluescreen or pestilence

[sage hare]

overdog gloves i just dismantled

[subtle bluff]

rip

[winged prism]

i use bluescreen cause i like it more but pestilence is best lmg overrall

[red island]

unlucky they top tier gloves in meta

[sage hare]

wasn't bluescreen the one in manhunt?

[red island]

yes

[sage hare]

those were level 30 ones

[red island]

unlucky

[sage hare]

oh nice

[winged prism]

just grind exotic caches youll get it soon enough

[sage hare]

still i may find them

[sage hare]

nah i havent completed manhunt yet

ill get it

[meager fog]

You don't get the Bluescreen from the manhunt. You get the reconfiguration blueprint, which allows you to get the Bluescreen to drop from the loot pool.

[solar sable]

oh Overdogs is Meta (Dorky) has arrived

[sage hare]

bruh

im dead

[meager fog]

There are two ways to obtain the Bluescreen;

Get the reconfiguration blueprint from the manhunt, then farm it from countdown or summit.

Or, Get the bluescreen from an exotic cache.

[sage hare]

cant i get the blueprint from retaliation

same way i got bullet king one

[meager fog]

Or you can do that and Craft it yourself.

[sage hare]

this one will be easier

also tommorow ill craft bullet king

[gentle lichen]

I'd definitely go the retaliation route if it's craftable cause it's simply not rng dependent

[meager fog]

Bluescreen drops from True Sons retaliations on completion only, not from kill squads

[sage hare]

yeah that is why ill do it

[sage hare]

bruh

[cerulean smelt]

why not retaliation?

[sage hare]

we talking about that rn

[meager fog]

#td2-build-advice message

[meager fog]

I mean it is, because it's a 50% chance on heroic completion to get one of the 3 available blueprints.

So, could end up taking longer if you're REALLY unlucky

[sage hare]

i cant complete on heroic

[meager fog]

So then you're down to a 35% chance on completion for CHallenging

[sage hare]

dont know if i can do that one too

[meager fog]

Then it's 10% for hard.

[sage hare]

yeah i guess ill wait till i get bullet king build

and then challenging

[meager fog]

Just a PSA: Bullet king isn't really good. And it's you're struggling with challenging now, bullet king won't really help.

[sage hare]

it will

[meager fog]

No, it literally won't.

[violet juniper]

Bullet King is all right

with tipping scales it's pretty damn good

[sage hare]

i literally dont even have a build

so this is my first one

and i completed main missions on challenging

[meager fog]

The you need to be doing countdown and farming some gear and brand pieces rather than trying to focus on a single exotic

[sage hare]

ill get those gear pieces in summit

[meager fog]

3/4 runs of countdown is enough to put together something that can handle CHallenging or Heroic

[sage hare]

i havent even tried countdown yet

[meager fog]

Summit isn't great for loot, nowhere near enough.

[sage hare]

and raids too

[meager fog]

The sheer amount of loot in countdown is enough to form a high end build after a few runs

[sage hare]

also what even is countdown?

[meager fog]

A game mode for 8 players where you save a nuclear plant from exploding. Lots of enemies, lots of loot. The fastest way to farm for anything

[sage hare]

oh

ill be rich

[winged prism]

just queue for it and youll more than likely find a team that will help you get through it no trouble

[sage hare]

and farm loot?

[winged prism]

yeah theres loads

just set your targeted loot to whatever it is youre after (a gear set im assuming)

[patent fossil]

Matchmake on challenging difficulty for best results

[sage hare]

i cant

[sage hare]

i havent even played countdown once

[winged prism]

yeah thats what we mean, youll find a team that will carry you through it

then you use the loot you get after a few runs to improve your build

[sage hare]

but isnt here like an sbmm?

[winged prism]

nope

[sage hare]

oh nice

[winged prism]

anyone can queue for anything

[sage hare]

that is not what sbmm is

[onyx sage]

if sbmm is in this game i wouldn't get 50k shd with 1p gear set on every slot builds

[sage hare]

sry i dont understand what does "shd" and "p" mean

[onyx sage]

you can get any kind of teammate

[sage hare]

nice

[rich cosmos]

Shd is what we are
Shade agents, shd

P stands for piece

[sage hare]

50k shade agents is too much

50k shade levels mb

[rich cosmos]

No, thats the watch leveling system

[sage hare]

shade agents?

[rich cosmos]

Its called shd watch levels

Shd levels is just shorter to say

[sage hare]

got it

but what does 1p gear set mean

[smoky latch]

1 piece of

[sage hare]

oh

then im better

cuz i got to shd 80 with no gear sets

[rich cosmos]

Gear set is what the unique sets are with special abilities

Brand sets give you a bonus for each piece you have up to 3 pieces of the same brand set
Brand and gear set chests and backpacks have an additional talent

[sage hare]

yeah i dismantled all of them

bc i had the colorblind mode on

[hollow lava]

Ok, so taking the suggestion from above, I switched things out, trying to get more weapon damage, crit chance and Scorpio has some (to my inexperienced eye anyway) nasty talent. Does over 4 million DPS in the gun range. I hope that's good? Best I could do with Pestilence was 1.5 Million.

[cerulean smelt]

hope you'll be swapping out the chest unless this is incursion/raid specific?

[subtle bluff]

Guides like these are all in the build hub

[hollow lava]

oh, wow!! Thank you

Can you explain what you mean about incursion/raid specific for that armour? What makes it good for that but not fighting the halloween bounty ?

[subtle bluff]

If you also look in the Pinned Message and scroll down there are 2 builder sites.

[subtle bluff]

It's explained in the guide I posted for Chest

[meager fog]

Because you can't keep 200 stacks up in general play.

It's not viable, hence why the chest isn't used outside of specific areas.

[subtle bluff]

It's viable but there are much better choices.

I like saying its uptime to be useful isn't vs other choices.

[winged prism]

incursion/raids have certain fights that require certain setups for teams, but it can get really complicated so id only look into it now if that kind of play interests you

of course they can be beaten with general gear, but for doing runs over and over the strats are very precise and efficient

[rich cosmos]

Measured assembly should grant 10% weapon damage for each teammate in the radius (30%)

It struggles in pve, would be a really easy buff to add

[cerulean smelt]

might make it too op if they added that honestly
but that would give a reason to use that backpack talent with whoever is in the radius of your hive gets a reload speed boost 🤔

[rich cosmos]

I mean, I think a new meta support build would be nice

[cerulean smelt]

right?!

[rich cosmos]

Im ignoring pvp balancing because thats not my expertise but for pve I feel like it would be a great buff, currently ma just feels heavily lacking, like theres no real reason for people to stay in the radius outside of it stopping nades, but thats not good enough to justify the whole gearset for imo

[cerulean smelt]

thought overclock was hive specifically, but seeing it's skills i might try something 🤔

like can you imagine oc smartcover and getting buffed by overclock and measured assembly? 🤯

[winged prism]

feels that way for most support gear sets

just too niche/weak to justify it (big problem with alot of stuff in div not just gear sets tho)

cough cough rugged gauntlets cough cough

[rich cosmos]

Measured assembly being a gear set that requires cooperation is the most critical factor, there needs to be an actual reason for people to want to stay in the radius outside of safety

[buoyant perch]

We had permanent OC smart cover for a month before it was patched btw

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i know. loved that modifier and already missing it

[rich lotus]

Is striker chest better used in heroic countdown? Or any good builds that dominate countdown heroic

[subtle bluff]

it can be.

A talent is only as good as it's uptime

[woeful zodiac]

Can anyone give a solid build for taking down the Houndsman?

[subtle bluff]

I haven't fough them yet.

[rich lotus]

I feel like keeping stacks wouldn’t be hard for how many enemies are on heroic

[subtle bluff]

Like I said "It can be"

[subtle bluff]

We can but it doesn't make it easier to do.

[woeful zodiac]

Because "it" keeps approaching me everytime

[hollow lava]

Thank you!

[hollow lava]

Thank you!

[winged prism]

depends on the content imo, if its close range (i.e you can camp ad spawn locations) then yeah, lefty/oroborous will usually keep 200 stacks but like mrchow said its up to you whether its worth using over a ceska chest piece or even sacrifice

[cloud sluice]

Thoughts on turning the Quickstep into a viable build? 🤔

[shy willow]

Like most pistols it's not something you build around

Just pull it out when you need the speed

[cloud sluice]

Swap speed needed though for run and gun

[gentle lichen]

only run not gunning with anything that got swap speed on it

actually 2 of my weapons in my TS build have swap speed rolled on it
maximizing utility

[subtle bluff]

swap speed is like 0.1 improvement

vs outright doing more dmg.

[hazy steeple]

If you're never firing the pistol, then it's not really going to be worth it to add more damage.

[shy willow]

It seems having the pistol out when you go into safe zone lets you keep the speed boost

[gentle lichen]

you can save a loadout while holding the pistol to automatically make your character hold it or switch from and to the pistol to hold it without switching loadouts

[cloud sluice]

Had an idea for the Quickstep build, Sadly didn't perform too well 😂

[silent storm]

What is Snowfall?

[verbal gust]

I don’t see any builds for tempest in the builds pin. Any good ones out there? Or just put it away?

[silent storm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQWk72btfcY

[hazy steeple]

Is that a setup to a joke?

[silent storm]

No I just never saw it before

[cerulean smelt]

oh that guy......

[lament reef]

one of many pieces of gag holiday equipment and guns

[shy willow]

It's snow machine's unique talent

It is functionally useless it just gives it extra flair

[rich cosmos]

Aura talent

[meager fog]

Thats horrible.

He doesnt even know how the Overdogs gloves work...

[subtle bluff]

I didn't click on this time.

that bad eh?

[meager fog]

Killing the enemy while standing feet away from the skill proxy so you cant even proc the gloves lmao

[meager fog]

Ita full blue core....just an FYI

And the video is titled "3m armour AND insane damage 💀

[cerulean smelt]

our favorite yter KVD

[subtle bluff]

oh..

Ya I'm glad I didn't I hurt my brain enough with other videos and carrying today..

You 40?

[meager fog]

Just replace lexington with any AR or LMG of your choice

Try to keep RPM above 900

[sage hare]

I just got the gear set what else should i get ?

[honest moss]

I run my TS build as bullet king (weapon), 4 piece TS (mask, bag, kneepads, holster) then i run PGC chest (for you i'd say find a ceska piece with obliterate) and overdog gloves however you can swap the gloves and mask around for however you need. If you wanted to slot in coyote's mask or another exotic.

Most will run some version of overdogs or tinkerer mask. But those are slightly harder to get since 1 you need the mask and 2 you need 2 matching good highend lmgs.

Other good primary options is the bluescreen or even the pestilence

For highends i like negevs but the... mk48s i believe are good. Mg5 is another good option but less magazine size.

[sage hare]

I dont have overdog gloves or tinkerer mask

From exotics I only have vile mask and rugged exotic gloves

[honest moss]

Okay, well i'd recommend getting a ceska chest piece with obliterate as the talent. Ceska rolls red core so you only need to worry about the talent and the two attributes. After that you can decide if you want to get a coyote's mask or something else for that last slot. Really other than overdogs or tinkerer you won't get much damage out of any option. Even use catharsis as long as you hit the 60% CHC cap. Afterwards aim for close to 100% CHD. Since TS does a lot of crit damage after building up you don't need too much of it as a baseline.

Bullet king i do highly enjoy. Real rambo just start blasting type of gun.

[sage hare]

Sry i dont understand half of this

[honest moss]

Vile mask and rugged gloves won't really do much i am afraid but you could always use them as a place holder until. Otherwise something like contractors gloves (currently sold in clan vendor) or fox's prayer kneepads will help overall.

[honest moss]

What part? Sorry.

[sage hare]

oh i found 2 more exotic gloves

btsu gloves and bloody knuckles

[honest moss]

While btsu are great they aren't for this build. Bloody knuckles however could still be useful for you. Either a melee hit or grenade hit will proc you a nice damage boost for a short time. If you get a weapon with the talent "sledgehammer" it pairs nicely

[sage hare]

so do i use bloody knuckles?

[honest moss]

Also worth noting that the overdogs are from this seasons track so you can still obtain them! However do not lose them.

I would until you get overdogs yes 🙂

[sage hare]

funniest thing that i had overdogs

until i dismantled them bc they were level 30

[honest moss]

Very weird they should have been 40... ouch 😭

[sage hare]

i havent even reached the endgame then

and i got it from the season pass

[honest moss]

Well for what you have bloody knuckles isn't too bad. If you can try to find "contractors gloves" or "fox's prayer" kneepads. They are unique high end items with special damage boosts. And just swap out what ever piece you need for it. So ideally you would go say mask - TS, bag - TS, chest - ceska (brand) obliterate (talent), gloves - TS or bloody knuckles or contractors gloves, holster - TS, kneepads - TS or Fox's prayer

[honest moss]

Honestly that is super unfortunate but they should get added to the loot pool post season. Otherwise you could maybe try taking it up with ubisoft support.

[sage hare]

nah it isnt that big of a problem

at least i have its reconfigure blueprint

[onyx sage]

you could've used it to get it to lv40 js

[honest moss]

They are rarely used but fairly common exotic kneepads are sawyers kneepads. They are actually a blue item but they provide damage if you aren't moving for a bit. Worth keeping an eye out for maybe. And the catharsis is similar but used in more pvp builds. Still has uses in PvE but once you have either tinkerer or overdogs you would be golden

[sage hare]

yeah but i didnt know it then

[honest moss]

Honestly yeah i forgot about that. I mean they should drop 40 anyway imo but still xD

[sage hare]

i have sawyers kneepads blueprint

[sage hare]

nah they shouldn't

i was level 20ish at the time

not shd level but base level

[honest moss]

Fair but for newer players it isn't clear you only get this 1 of it. Would save some confusion is all

[sage hare]

got them both with the st. elmos engine

[sage hare]

yeah

so i just gotta craft bullet king and sawyer's kneepads?

[honest moss]

Or you can try your luck farming them but sure. They aren't particularly rare. Target loot for the specific type and hope really.

[sage hare]

I dont think ill get it

and i need only few balaclavas for bullet king

[honest moss]

Again sawyers are just another option. Really the main pieces are the TS set and then the ceska chest piece with obliterate

Ah gotcha well goodluck agent!

[sage hare]

i already have ts set

so ceska chest piece?

[honest moss]

Yes yes, very important piece to have for a lot of useful builds

You (ideally) want it with CHC + CHD as attributes. It rolls as a red core already. And "obliterate" as the talent. So ideally one where you can reroll the talent or main core if wanted.

1 piece ceska is 8% CHC so it is a great bonus and lets you hit your crit chance easier while freeing up room for more crit damage on your gear

[sage hare]

so this is the part i didnt understand

tf is chc +chd

[honest moss]

Ah my bad, so CHC is critical hit chance and CHD is critical hit damage. We abbreviate it to make it easier to type or also when talking about a gear piece sometimes it is called a double crit roll

[sage hare]

so i just get gear mods with it?

[honest moss]

Yes but not exactly. High end pieces woll roll 2 attributes from the range of ones in the game. Gearset items will roll 1 attribute

So with ceska as example, as a red core it is more likely to roll 2 red attributes

[sage hare]

so i gotta get the ceska many times

[honest moss]

No once you have it you are good, you just need one with had both crit stats and obliterate as the talent

Remember you can reroll 1 thing on each gear piece too

[sage hare]

but how can i reroll

[honest moss]

When you go to the item there will be a button for "tinker station" or the like. Then from there you can see what you can change and what you can change it to

For example you can swap any talent around or if you had weapon handling you could make it critical hit damage instead

But remember you only get this 1 times on any item. Then it locks that slot

That is why certain pieces called unicorns are very rare. Since you need all rolls to be perfect otherwise you cannot reroll the set core or such. But don't worry too much about that

Ceska pieces are easy to get and you can use the same chest on TS, strikers, high ends... really most crit builds.

[subtle bluff]

If you check out the gearsheet there a lot of good info in there

[honest moss]

Oh yeah, the spreadsheet as chow has mentioned is FULL of super good info and guides. It might seem like a lot to take in but honestly you will be better off getting aqainted with it

Mrchow is one of the people who work on it and makes guides too. There is a small team of dedicated community members who update and add to it

It is over in the pinned messages in this channel, just find the link to spreadsheet. Or use this link since i saved it down...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

[sage hare]

ok i will

[round zinc]

how does the named UMP with 60 base optimal range compare to the average AR

[subtle bluff]

How good is the normal UMP?

[round zinc]

never considered it thats why im asking ofc

[subtle bluff]

You can check it in the gearsheet. 650 rpm is of the UMPs

There a good reason we don't it's never mention in any build.

[sage hare]

i just got the bullet king what other primary should i use?

[subtle bluff]

There's a TS guide in the hub

[sage hare]

what is a mg5?

[meager fog]

Lmg

[sage hare]

so that is an lmg that is not good with bullet king?

[subtle bluff]

Gonna be kind of blunt. Have looked any of the guides or the gearsheet itself?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gvv20WAX-qDLNqLj8qQCQjBbQxjz4A0OrzBBYL3hRoc/edit?usp=sharing

[sage hare]

i dont understand anything here

so i gotta use lmg with an lmg??

[subtle bluff]

So you haven't read or looked at the guide even yet?

[sage hare]

i read incorrect one

i read the spreadsheet

[subtle bluff]

Watched?

[sage hare]

read

is it a good idea to use dmr ?

[patent fossil]

You wouldn't normally run two lmgs unless you're using tinkerer.
Bullet king isn't a top dps choice, not all exotics are worth running.

[sage hare]

I just wanted a build with bullet king

[patent fossil]

Well, tipping scales or striker will be your top options

[sage hare]

yeah i have tipping scales

but i need a second primary

[patent fossil]

Eh, could use bakers dozen for easy stack maintenance out of combat

In most cases second weapon isn't really that important, pick whatever suits your playstyle most

[sage hare]

K ty

[hoary atlas]

I got Overdogs Gloves but use for Striker + Ceska with Obliterate

Should need to change on that gear ?

[hoary atlas]

Lexington use Killer Talent ?

[meager fog]

If you have Lexington, if not Police M4, Famas, F2000 will do.

Killer is one of the strongest talents for Striker, but it would really be your choice

[hoary atlas]

I own Lexington can change talent

Also have Damage to Cover

[meager fog]

Lexingtons always drop god rolled with perfect stats

[hoary atlas]

Except secondary weapon

Im use Rock n Roll

[meager fog]

As with any secondary, its your choice.

Personally I dont like Shotguns. SMGs are also great this season because ROF buffs

[hoary atlas]

I see im use ACS12 aka showstopper to stack Striker

[magic rapids]

any updates to the pinned sniper rifle build?

[meager fog]

Nope

[hoary atlas]

I did use same that build but use 2 different Gloves one is Overdogs and other is Exodus for effect like The Hunters

[winged prism]

streamlined is also very good, depending on your skills setup

[subtle bluff]

What do you mean by "skills setup"?

[rich lotus]

Is the scabbard holster any good for ar builds or does it really shine with a blue screen build

[winged prism]

i mean if you have skills that you intend to use often or with long cooldowns

shouldve been more specific mb

[subtle bluff]

Skill are fairly powerful and will out weight the small extra dmg streamline gives over something else.

[meager fog]

Streamlined is NOT good

[subtle bluff]

Neither.

[rich lotus]

Okay lol

[subtle bluff]

It's more that it sucks to limit you not using your skills. If you run Reivier hive and you happen to go down well you've auto nerf your damage.

[winged prism]

i only run it when doing stuff like countdown or comparatively easy content, where im unlikely to go down/use shield

[subtle bluff]

Scabbard can be very powerful but it's is difficual to keep the talent uptime up well. I can do it but for only in one fight incursion and overdogs now has kind overtaken it due to just being easier to use.

[winged prism]

oro is just more fun for me btw ik its not super optimal

[subtle bluff]

And that's fair place to use it but in general open PvE it kind sucks.

Even then... Skill can save you from so much and allow you to do a lot stuff.

[rich lotus]

So for a blue screen or iron lung build what would be the preferred chest piece with overdog? And assume tipping scale gesr set

[subtle bluff]

What is this specific weapon build your talking about.

[meager fog]

As we said the other day, the weapon fits the build. Not the other way around

[hoary atlas]

Is anyone still use Exodus Gloves ?

[subtle bluff]

ty dorky. that's a better way to put it.

[rich lotus]

What build pairs well with those weapons

[hoary atlas]

I use Exodus Gloves for survivability even that smoke effect cool like The Hunters

[meager fog]

Strikers, OD or ND

[subtle bluff]

Again doesn't matter the weapon. TS, Strikers, ND, and HB all work.

No?

how would we make a gear?

[hoary atlas]

Alphabridge (Tinkerer Mask)

[subtle bluff]

Still confuse about the question.

[hoary atlas]

Im mean i did make Alphabridge Build

Use Tinkerer mask, 4 Piece Tipping Scales and One Ceska

[subtle bluff]

ok?

[rich lotus]

What chest piece do you like with it? I got them both that’s why I’m asking. Sorry for the stupid questions lol

[subtle bluff]

I was asking what is this question..

[subtle bluff]

Ceska

[meager fog]

Depends on the build.

For strikers you use Ceska chest, for OD you use OD chest.

[hoary atlas]

Sorry that wrong type

[hoary atlas]

Im was say this

[meager fog]

Tinkerer builds isn't really a thing.

You just add it to other builds. The only one it really shines on is OD

And thats purely because it is better than what its replacing.

Tipping scales is better using Overdogs gloves

[hoary atlas]

well actually too late for me

im use tinkerer on Tipping Scales

for Overdogs on Striker

[meager fog]

I mean, you can use overdogs on two things?

[hoary atlas]

I Did name it "Lone Star 2.0"

[hoary atlas]

Overdogs only for Striker

[meager fog]

No?

It fits on almost all DPS builds and instantly makes them better

[fervent ore]

For most dps which is the best lmg for a striker+ceska+overdogs build

[meager fog]

Whichever you want to use.

I like the GR9 because it is laser like and has a huge base magazine.

[hoary atlas]

GR9 with Frenzy

While M249 use Killer

[patent fossil]

Iron lung has smaller mag but the built in CC is great against annoying enemies like rogues

[meager fog]

Frenzy isn't great for the GR9. Magazine size is too large

[hoary atlas]

Iron Lung + Tipping scales ?

[meager fog]

Iron lung cant be used with tinkerer

[hoary atlas]

Wrong type

[hoary atlas]

Any Replace for GR9 talent ?

[fervent ore]

I see what about these lmg’s i hear a lot about pestilence and bluescreen

[meager fog]

Pestilence works with strikers, although the damage is on the lower side.

Bluescreen is very nice, and comes with alot of built in crowd control

[patent fossil]

Probably not, the fire reduces how often you can suppress enemies and smaller mag means more reloads, so harder to maintain stacks

[hoary atlas]

Pestilence Build very bad idea

[meager fog]

As kettle said, Iron lung works nicely with strikers as fire stops them from being suppressed, which prevents lost stacks

[fervent ore]

Okayy so if i want most dps i should go with gr9 + killer and if good dps+ cc then bluescreen?

[meager fog]

If you insist on using LMGs over ARs then M249 is probably the highest damage LMG. With Killer or strained it works well.

[hoary atlas]

Any Talent suits for GR9 ?

[meager fog]

Personal preference, but Measured, Killer, Strained are all decent choices for strikers

[fervent ore]

I been using ar since the start so i want to try something new

[hoary atlas]

For tipping scales talent any recommendations?

[fervent ore]

Also what third stat to roll on lmgs

[meager fog]

CHC

[subtle bluff]

NBB first off.. But this dumb idea from YouTube is bad in general.

[meager fog]

Tipping scales is no different to Strikers. Talent usage is similar

[fervent ore]

Kk

[meager fog]

The only difference is that Tipping Scales stacks while firing and Strikers stacks on hit.

[hoary atlas]

I see

[hoary atlas]

I know that was bad idea

[subtle bluff]

Well slightly.. Killer isn't BiS for TS.

[meager fog]

Well no, cause thats over stacking CHD.

Measured probably bis

Or Frenzy, depends

Never been a fan of measured it feels weird

[hoary atlas]

I have Question, "Is that Bad idea use Tinkerer Mask on Heartbreaker Build ?"

[meager fog]

A bad idea? No.

A good idea? No.

Its an idea

I currently won't recommend using anything other than Overdogs for DPS builds 🤣

Just because they are far too strong to miss out on and they may well get nerfed 🤣

[hoary atlas]

Oof

Well Im gonna Grind Some Striker again

Or Some Gear for Survivability use Exodus Gloves

||Im was try Build PVE Gear role as The Hunters||

[red island]

today i met thoses 2 lovely gentlemen

im not sure about their build

[meager fog]

Neither are they

Unfortunately these type of you tube builds are the reason this channel is so busy with the same questions over and over again

[red island]

imma try to guide them

[buoyant perch]

13k SHD and no active chest talent lmao

[fervent ore]

Is it better to pair lmg with ar or smg or shotgun

[subtle bluff]

Oooooh the stuff I find when doing Random LFG for incurisons..... My shoulders hurt..

[subtle bluff]

as for 2nd weapons?

[fervent ore]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

It really just depends on your playstyle. Some builds prefer one over the other but it's really up to you.

[fervent ore]

I like using smg but don’t see many pair it with the lmg

[subtle bluff]

Running out of ammo would be my thought. But also LMG are a bit slower swapping on and off of.

[winged prism]

i wouldnt worry about weapon synergy unless your build depends on it (i.e tinkerer), like chow said its just what you prefer

[subtle bluff]

I'll use shotguns, smg, ar's and rifles

[meager fog]

The best way to look at it is using a mid-long range weapon (AR or LMG) with a close range weapon (Shotgun or SMG)

[fervent ore]

Okayyy
Like in smg’s that smg 9 legit delete stuffs on heroic

[meager fog]

SMG9 is a great gun

[short rock]

Is it possible to do a dps build with Vector 45, which destroys enemies?

[fervent ore]

Is it the best non exotic smg or is there any better?

[meager fog]

Strikers, however Vector suffers from high ROF and a really small magazine size

or HF

[round zinc]

anything noteworthy about the handbasket?

[magic pilot]

Best semi auto mmr

[round zinc]

so its worth using then???but where cuz afaik semi MMR has always been kinda bad

can it at least do determined chaining on heroic

[shy willow]

It has heavily increased base damage but a much lower fire rate

I think it's slightly behind most bolts but it's semi so

[woeful zodiac]

Guys pls give a solid build with best skills for defeating the Houndsman and his Hounds

[celest swallow]

got a near perfect roll sg and now im curios if its worth swaping some gear arround since this is build for chatter box

thinking zero f and badger holster

or get oblitarte badger chest

[meager fog]

First of all, get rid of that bag.

[shy willow]

Ceska and grupo are the heavy hitters for crit builds

If you want tankiness I can't recommend memento enough

And yes definitely drop the ninja bag

[rich cosmos]

Ninja bike bag should get a buff so that one of the core attributes is randomized

But that would probably too hard to code especially with memento also having 3 cores

[shy willow]

I think it's more of a fundamental issue of brand bonuses just not being able to top talents

[rich cosmos]

I do think ninjabike needs some kind of buff because its a really amazing exotic on paper but it just needs something else

[shy willow]

Worked a lot better when there were no brands😭

[rich cosmos]

I think being able to have one of the core attributes be different would actually be a good buff

Like, say you are going entirely into damage and skill tiers, your normally aren’t gaining anything from that armor core

[shy willow]

It does make for a beautiful noob trap

[rich cosmos]

It wouldn’t be a massive buff, but I think it would be enough to make it viable

[shy willow]

It's an interesting concept but spaghetti code tbh

[fervent ore]

How much cc and cd u need for bluescreen i am currently at 50 cc and 112 cd

[shy willow]

Servers gonna die again for no reason

[rich cosmos]

Yea, alternatively, maybe they could make it so that if you use a gear set chest it also applies the backpack bonus

[meager fog]

It really isn't.

[shy willow]

Generally the target is 50/150 but you can adjust if you're using crit starved sets

[fervent ore]

Yeah i am currently using striker ceska and overdogs and it is the most i can go

[rich cosmos]

Did you just not read the sentence

[meager fog]

The words "amazing exotic on paper" and "Ninjabike" have zero place in the same sentence.

Regardless of giving it something else, backpack talents are too strong.

[rich cosmos]

Could also just throw on another mod slot, that I wouldn’t imagine would be too hard to code, definitely wouldn’t be enough of a buff tho

[shy willow]

It'd be funny if it upgraded your chest talent to the perfect version where applicable

So you could do funny things and have like a PGC ceska chest

[rich cosmos]

Maybe that and it makes the brand bonus of your chest all 3 pieces instead of the 2 piece

[woeful zodiac]

Pls guys

[amber crater]

don't use attack skills (e.g. striker drone, turret) against a hunter, he will turn it against you ⚠️

also hunters can disable skills

[shy willow]

If you're struggling with houndsman you can farm the bounty on normal and it will still drop the rewards

[rich cosmos]

I just want that backpack trophy and bat effect

I like the skills effects

The new hive one seems either bugged or really not well thought out tho

[shy willow]

The whole fit is easily one of the best you can get for free imo

[rich cosmos]

The hive ghost one deploys like 8 charges visually and sound wise even if it only shoots out one

[shy willow]

Seems to be something they're jumping on

[rich cosmos]

Oh okay cool

I want them to add something for the pulse tho

Or firefly, that reminds me, gear set themed around blind or the firefly when

[shy willow]

Firefly unfortunately completely forgotten

[rich cosmos]

We don’t have enough stuff involving blind
(Make the camera modifier an exotic)

[shy willow]

Its just too slow tbh

[rich cosmos]

Im not ready for that camera modifier to go away

[shy willow]

Give me my flash launcher back 🙏

[shy willow]

At this point it's basically a feature

I swear it's been ages since they messed that up

[rich cosmos]

Could make a sticky bomb launcher variant that adds blind instead of damage

[rich cosmos]

Huh

[shy willow]

When you get flashed the screen goes black instead of white

[rich cosmos]

That wasn’t a bug, they just accidentally swapped a setting for all players

Theres a setting to change the flash

[shy willow]

Oh I didn't even know😭

[rich cosmos]

But yeah make the camera modifier into an exotic or make into a gearset or something its way too cool to get rid of

[patent fossil]

I thought the flash change was a deliberate qol upgrade

[winged prism]

if its TS then max out the 60% chc even if your mods go slightly over it

[shy willow]

It just seems to be a thing where whenever something unique comes out it gets stomped by the meta and tossed immediately

[winged prism]

it wasnt accidental they did it for R6 too, its for photosensitive people and those who dont want to get irl flashbanged

[rich cosmos]

Trauma buff when, lower the bleed cooldown and make it unable to apply to redbars

[shy willow]

So many talents that could heavily benefit from stat buffs and cooldown reductions😭

Descent is kinda funny for that you can go absolutely ham and see how broken some could be

[rich cosmos]

The amount of talents and exotics that would genuinely be viable with minor changes like 5 more meters or 5 to 10 sec cooldown reduction is crazy

I also just thought of a really silly exotic idea my goodness

[gloomy spruce]

Did someone say get stomped on by the meta?

The only thing is that if we nerf the meta, then suddenly a lot of other content becomes unreachable...

People still fear too many buffs, but if they want nerfs then their most of their build's foundations are the prime candidates.

[mental tangle]

Technically we already have that

[winged prism]

individual nerfs wont really get us anywhere, i think it needs to be a large scales buff to core mechanics and build types rather than grinding down the best specific builds/items

[mental tangle]

I'm not ready for zealot to go away it's been clutch in legendary

[winged prism]

but its gotten alot better recently imo so i think theyre aware and are doing something about it

[rich cosmos]

I think we have different definitions of silly